The 3DO Experience - Episode 46: Welcome To The World Of 3DO Golf Games!

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[00:00:30] Hello Everybody and welcome back to The 3DO Experience, The 3DO Retrospective Podcasts. We talk about all things 3DO, the 3DO company and everything in between. And today we're hitting the courses for a wonderful round of golf. Are you doing the wreck?

[00:00:49] I think I tweaked my back on the back nine, you know? Like I was trying to get my ball out of the sand wedge and I think I wedge something in my back and it fucking hurt, did.

[00:01:02] So, but regardless, I am here, I will soldier on like a true podcast or I will persevere through all the issues I'm having. So, boom that, I'm okay, how are you? I'm alright, I've been up since 3 in the morning.

[00:01:20] I had to drop my sister off at the airport. She's going to go do some competition down south. I thought she was doing a water bottle conference. Maybe that's the cover story. If this is it's all conspiracy. It's all conspiracy.

[00:01:40] Like why would she hide that she's going to a wife? Good mention, we all know you can't hide, you can't hide from me. Yeah, I had to do that today and then I'm the only machinist at work this week.

[00:01:54] So, like legit any crisis that happens, they need me to handle it. And I'm just like this sucks. You're the guy. It's making him the day go, the day is go by really quick. It's just like, God damn it. It's good stuff.

[00:02:13] So, so I guess before we get started, Bill, what else you've been playing? Man, she'd, what you've been doing? I haven't been playing a lot. I did pop in Bakker's Bad Ferday because it's the game club game for this month.

[00:02:31] Yeah, I don't know if I'm going to be able to commit to it because I just don't have time to play games anymore. But I'm not going to lie. Conquer has held up a lot better than I expected it with.

[00:02:44] Which version are you playing if you don't mind me asking? Original and 64 on an actual and 64. I'm a legit original. Okay, because I've noticed, I guess just personally, whenever I play and 64 games and they're not on an N64, I find them to be more rough experiences.

[00:03:05] Yeah, I see that a lot. They have a very specific jank to them. And I think that jank doesn't properly translate over to other control schemes. Because I was playing it on my series X through a good old rare replay, right? We love rare replay folks.

[00:03:27] And I was just like, I sound about this doesn't feel right to me. Like, you know, controller was just kind of iffy. They tried their best to, I think, accommodate the controls because it wasn't one of the N64 games

[00:03:39] that they like remade for the 360, like say banjo or perfect dark, which those versions I think are perfectly fine. Yeah, those are optimized properly. Yeah, yeah, like playing banjo on like that version of banjo is the way to go. But here it's it doesn't have the same care.

[00:03:59] So I guess unless you'd played it at the time, it probably wouldn't feel right to you. So I went ahead and switched to the original Xbox version live and reloaded the remake, and it is much, much better. So I've honestly that remake is better in almost every way.

[00:04:17] It's just so censored that it's like, well, it's kind of funny or almost. In some of the cases, like, I mean there's 64 version had censoring too, but it only censored I think it's censored fuck.

[00:04:31] That was about it. They slept all the shits in, which I think is just funny. This one took all the shits out. I did some research. Nobody knows why it could have just been like corporate bullshit from Microsoft.

[00:04:42] Well, because originally it was supposed to be conquer live and uncut, and they were going to include all the cut material, but instead then they, they 180 didn't like heavily censored everything. Yeah, but I don't know there's something about it being censored that I find kind of funny.

[00:04:57] Maybe it's just growing up in an era where like used to say like watch adults swim, you know, and there's the beeps. You know kids don't have the beep anymore, you know, the censor stuff.

[00:05:08] Yeah, there's something funny about it when it's used right. And I think even though this one is censored, they sort of, they play into that I think.

[00:05:17] Well, it's like the classic sponge ball that was so saline milked like there are just so many reasons why that episode works like nowadays even today. No, but yeah, with dolphin noises and but a lot of that's like what, what are they even saying?

[00:05:31] Well, did you know that the uncensored versions finally leaked of that? I've heard that, but I haven't watched it yet. I've only seen one clip and it's a clip of Tom Kenny screaming below me, switch is really funny.

[00:05:42] Yeah, that's probably good. But I feel like that kind of takes away from the magic a little bit.

[00:05:46] Oh, yeah, it's not nearly as funny. The censor, like, I think one of the best like censoring jobs like ever is like looking in an art there episode of all things. Where they did, they did a fucking soprano's parody. Oh, I heard about that. Yeah.

[00:05:59] Because kids are totally going to get that one, but they like, they reference the sopranos and they use it as a way to explain like censor. Well, he switches just really funny. Yeah, but that's cool. And yeah, I'm about six hours in, I think.

[00:06:14] And what's nice about the Xbox version is that it has a, Oh, what's the word? It has a, a timer. So you can actually like keep track of this stuff, which is pretty cool. Oh, that's right. Okay. And yeah, it's fucking crazy dude. It is.

[00:06:38] The voice, I'm not going to lie. The voice acting in the original. It's not good, but it's actually like charming in such a way that I really like it. I think they read did some of the voice acting for this.

[00:06:51] Yeah, they got the cast back like the original cast. Like I know Conquer's voice definitely came back. Oh, yeah. It sounds like the same guy, but it sounds like he's aged a bit. And there's a good bit where at the very beginning,

[00:07:05] when you're doing like the Gargoyle statue bit, it goes differently in the Xbox version than the Xbox or than the N64 version. And for the Xbox version, it's changing. He's like, wait a minute. He's like, I thought this was, he's like, wait a minute. They changed this.

[00:07:24] I thought this was a direct port. He's like, you know, then they, this changed it. And then he cuts to the camera and says, all right, gain designer no more changes. Okay. Let's keep it. Let's keep it. How we remember it. Which I thought that's hilarious.

[00:07:38] That's one of my favorite jokes in that entire game is when you whack the fucking Gargoyle with the fucking fried. And he just like looks at you, like when he goes up frying then. And then he just is like, you stupid little and falls off the bridge.

[00:07:49] Yeah. Yeah. It's like it's just such a great joke. And the Xbox version, you do that. And he's like, wait, you're supposed to fall down. And he's like, what do you mean? And then you pull out the bat and smack him and then that does it. Yeah.

[00:08:01] And yeah, like I will say as a platformer, it's not that good. Like it's not really about the platforming. No, no. No. Like the answer is the better platformer. But this game is meant. This game feels more like a third person kind of action adventure.

[00:08:17] He kind of became anyways. That leans more into the like sicko fucking charm of the game that reminds me of a lot of shock. Yeah. And I'd said in the discord it kind of bridges sort of that late 90s edgy humor until like the 2000s

[00:08:35] adults whim self aware humor. Like it's kind of somewhere in that middle ground. Like you can make a connection from like say the gross out like jackass stuff to like Tim and Eric in this, I think.

[00:08:49] Plus some of the things they they they parody saved a private Ryan for an entire level. And it's like such a dated reference but it somehow works. Yeah. I don't think I've gotten that for yet. It's like the last chapter. I believe you're one of the final ones.

[00:09:03] Yeah. Basically I'm at the point where you have to get the be high where I just got the be high again. When you have to go into the walk like the honeycomb and then like shoot the walks, then run out and give it to her.

[00:09:17] Like that's I just did that so that's where I'm at which is I think decently far. It's not a super long game but I've just been like laughing at how ridiculous this game is because most of it I had never seen.

[00:09:30] Like I know the great mighty poo. I think most people know about him. But stuff like the sunflower with the big boobs. Although we like the sacrificing the baby raptor like the the the pitch fork that tries to hang himself.

[00:09:46] Like all this fucking like what the hell is going on? Fucking the the the giant ass metal safe on the crate and it's quote is wonderful. Oh, they got that fat bitch off of me or whatever. Yeah.

[00:10:01] This game is insane and it controls better here but like combat is awful I think because like trying to do like the combo with the bat is very picky for some reason. The jumping could be better.

[00:10:17] The knockback is probably the worst I've ever seen in the game. It's stupid. And it has a live system for some reason. Yeah, it's the time. Like it you it only has it really for one gag. Yeah.

[00:10:35] If when you lose them all you go down the hell I think you're hell and then you meet the grim reaper calls himself Greg but two G's. And then you have a little conversation with them about the live system and then you leave like that's it.

[00:10:48] And you really need a live system for that but no. I did like Greg's little quote though about cats and he's like goddamn squirrels just like cats. Or according to cock or he's not a squirrel he's an elephant. Yeah.

[00:11:06] It's a game that really needs to be experienced because it is a thing. Yeah, like the act of playing it is. It's not the worst thing. Like it's miles ahead of Sonic 06.

[00:11:19] Even though this game has its own frustrations, but I think the overall charm and just what the fuckness of this game is really what carries it. And it's good enough to carry it for the whole game.

[00:11:31] And and I'll probably honestly get it done in like a day or two. Like it's as we said it's not a super long game so. I'll probably knock it out and hopefully I win.

[00:11:41] So if I win, I have two options for August. I have two games I'm thinking of so we'll I'll probably like flip a coin or spin a wheel on it and we'll go from there.

[00:11:51] So that's really all I've been playing outside of that everything else I kind of put on the hold like do maternal and beyond good needful. I'm almost messing around with some PS1 emulation earlier. That's really about it you know outside of my me fucking up my back.

[00:12:08] It's just kind of where I'm at right now. Oh, so somewhat topical to this episode.

[00:12:13] I did go on the switch store because I was going to download the P.O. to remaster and the first thing I see when I go on the switch store is you know how there's just a.

[00:12:24] Like the switch store is literally loaded with hand tag games for some reason now. Yeah. The first thing I see is hand tag golf and I was just like this is a side. And it was on sale for one dollar and I was kind of like should I.

[00:12:39] So of course I did I haven't touched it though. Oh boy. Yeah, I saw yeah the P.O. definitive edition it went on sale on the Xbox power slave Exhumed the the new version of that's on sale as well and they're both sitting in my cart.

[00:12:55] So when payday happens I will click download on both of those. Yeah, yeah that'll be good to play a good version of P.O. at least I hope so. Biggest cross on that. But yeah so speaking of golf. There was a lot of it on 3D.O.

[00:13:19] That there was that there was. I have I think I have them all. I have five of them right here. Yes, the five we played for this episode anyways.

[00:13:29] I think there might be one in Japan and there might be another one but these are like the five that were common defined. And not to get to ahead of ourselves with these three are kind of the same game. Yeah, I'm thinking we cover those last. Okay.

[00:13:45] Because they're all three from our interesting for different reasons. But I figured. The one I'd like to start with because it was the one I like the least is probably a World Cup golf. What the fuck was this one man? World Cup golf.

[00:14:03] I had a 12 on it maybe it was 12 bucks. I don't think I paid 12 bucks for it. My copy is pretty deranged. You know, looks like it survived. Conquer's bad for a day or something like it's kind of manly dude. My copy looks like it was never played.

[00:14:19] It's a fucking opposite ends of the spectrum. Yeah, like what the hell is this one man? I mean, I wrote some I wrote a little bit of notes for every game. So for this one, I just wrote smoothest animation but the interface is so bad.

[00:14:39] Is this a PC port? It has a nice presentation and it kind of plays okay. Yeah, that was my thing with this one.

[00:14:46] Like when I started it up, I really liked the presentation because I really like the charming like British voice just chat or whatever English voice that was chatting at the start of the game. The music, what little music there was was catchy.

[00:15:00] It was the last one I played and I found it very refreshing when I got to it because it does stick out the most compared to all the others. Yeah, so a little backstory. This game was published by US gold. They're pretty well known.

[00:15:16] They published a ton of sports games back in the day. They don't really exist nowadays. And the company that made this game is a studio known as Arc developments. I looked into Arc a bit. They've really mostly did ports.

[00:15:35] The game that they're most known for is another 3D game that we'll probably cover at some point called Johnny Buzucatone. Yeah, we got to do that. Which is one of the other rare platformers on 3D.

[00:15:49] But yeah, other than that, they mostly ported a bunch of stuff like like McKids forgotten worlds crack down. Barth versus the space mutants, Barth versus the world Terminator 2. They did a lot of porting.

[00:16:03] This was one of their rare original titles and interestingly enough, this is one of the few games that was on both 3D and CDI. So that's something that's interesting. So finally we finally could bridge that gap. It was also on PlayStation, Saturn and Ross.

[00:16:24] And the original releases were oh wow. So it came out on 3D before it came out on CDI. That's a weird. Well, I imagine the CDI was harder to develop for. I didn't even realize the CDI was still in production that late.

[00:16:39] It doesn't surprise me because it was a Phillips, right? Yes. Phillips, I think had some pre-deep pockets there and probably the Nintendo connection gave their ego a bit of a boost to feel like oh we could you know keep this going.

[00:16:55] And I think there was probably enough interest from that connection that there were people kind of still checking it out. Yeah. Now as for World Cup golf itself. We mentioned earlier the presentation on this one is really nice.

[00:17:15] He uses kind of like a faux, it's not really 3D, it's kind of just like really clever 2D graphics. It's kind of almost doing the missed thing where they have like the really nice CG animations within they just take like stills of it. Yeah.

[00:17:31] Let's sort of give you that illusion. So this one apparently revolves around the high it Dorado Beach golf course. That's actually going to be a running theme with these games they all kind of revolve around specific real life courses for the course.

[00:17:49] Yeah, yeah Dorado Beach courses in a Puerto Rico. So shout shout to Chris, novel console. Yep. So the thing with this one is like everything about this one seems really solid until you get to actually playing it and that this is where it gets weird.

[00:18:10] See I was immediately thrown off by the menus because the menus are just like you're moving a cursor around the screen pretty much the whole time. And you basically just click on shit to figure it out.

[00:18:24] Yeah, so which very much makes me think this come out on PC first before consoles. So it came out on 3D and Dawson at the same time. Okay, I could see that. It's very PC exists.

[00:18:39] Yeah, like all the pop up windows and and the thing that's annoying about the pop up windows is that it gets in the way. Yeah, you're going to have nice backgrounds and the nice smooth animation.

[00:18:50] And sometimes depending on where your ball lands, you have to move the fucking distance to ball. Little graph like gooey that goes up there because it's in the way your cursor.

[00:19:01] Yeah, especially when they they mentioned on the back of the box that they're using silicon graphics work stations. Like to show how high tech it is. But yet the game doesn't really make itself a technical showcase to be like look how pretty.

[00:19:15] It's definitely not the best looking of the games here. Arguably these games it's a little debatable I will say in some ways it's the best looking but the just just all these like weird menus and all this stuff it feels very.

[00:19:36] You know, if you ever like enter like a modern like shooter multiplayer thing and they have like all these fucking menus and all these boxes everywhere and it's like it feels like. It feels like it's way too cluttered.

[00:19:47] Actually, like look at this game gives me similar vibes like it's just it's way too cluttered. Yeah, it's it's just one of those things like my first the first hole I played. I was like 20 over par because I was.

[00:20:03] Just trying to figure out how to play this thing you're like took forever like I missed so many shots because I like was trying to figure out the timing on the. The swing meter, which is a yeah, an element in golf games.

[00:20:15] Yeah, and it's what all the other golf games that we played even to an extent more modern golf games still use roughly the same idea that it's like a little like it's like a sea and then you try to go all the way up to get power and then you come back down to try to.

[00:20:30] Hit your accuracy just right, you know, and this one does it completely differently it has one window pop up for your power. You're supposed to try to get it's like you can adjust like the 100% like by the percent so say if your your driver can go to 70 270 yards.

[00:20:48] You can say like oh, I only want like 80% of that, you know, and then you have to try to get it into the middle sort of accommodate that but.

[00:20:57] It's so weird because it's like right in the middle and then the bar will will show up in the after like tap it at just the right time then when you do then your accuracy comes up and that has like a similar percentage.

[00:21:07] That you have to try to get in the middle of and it just it doesn't feel intuitive and it doesn't feel like you're in the action or kind of like immersed. In trying to do the golfing, you know, it just kind of completely throws you off.

[00:21:22] Yeah, being able to really kind of fine tune your shots in any ways and it's also completely inconsistent with how the putting works. Yeah, that was the thing here was it felt like it would like try to like.

[00:21:36] Try to like guide the ball at times for you, but then like when you got super close it completely changed its entire like. Like you'd set up and like you had to figure out a whole new setting for like all shots.

[00:21:51] Yeah, yeah and like the putting is completely different like the menu system that they had is very different and I found myself having to do like actual math.

[00:22:01] To figure it out and then in like the driving it was just though you would tap the button, but here you had to hold it. And it would always like throw me off, you know. How many times did you end up at a bounce? Not that many.

[00:22:18] Like, normally I'm not terrible at golfing games because they all kind of operate the same way. Doesn't matter if it's like the PGA tour to K games like Mario Golf fucking Neo turf masters like they're all kind of the same thing.

[00:22:35] And if you have a rough idea of what you're trying to do, you can kind of figure it out like you always have to account for the wind.

[00:22:42] So I think a lot of people when they play golf games, they don't accommodate for the wind and then that is what fucks them up more than anything else.

[00:22:51] So I feel with any of these as long as you adjust forward the wind, you'll be okay and then it comes down to just getting the fine tuning of how the game's physics work. You know, in the physics in this one were.

[00:23:07] And I think they didn't feel the most accurate. No, they were very kind this was the most inconsistent out of all of them in my opinion. Yeah, I could see that.

[00:23:18] This was the one I found the most frustrating like after a while like because not only was just trying to figure the menus out after like two holes, I was like,

[00:23:26] because you keep no matter how many times you do it, you're going to always like forget the buttons because you'll press a button and it'll back you out and then like you've got them and lose everything and you'll find it again.

[00:23:38] It's not intuitive at all, you know, and this was an era where they were still kind of figuring out how to make golf games or like how like figuring out how to how to do them proper, you know what I mean?

[00:23:51] A lot of the the older 2D like golf and NES, like the launch golf game, I think has an age, do that well. It's not one's real janky though any S Open tournament golf is pretty good.

[00:24:04] There's a couple Genesis golf games that I remember being fine, but really it was like when Mario golf hit the N64 is where it felt like modern golf was that's where it kind of went off running.

[00:24:17] Because then you had like the Tiger Woods series build off of that and those games are fucking fantastic. Nobody talks about them anymore, but they're they hold up shockingly well.

[00:24:29] You also got to remember the makers of Mario golf, Camelot, they also created during their brief period as a Sony developer made hot shots golf or unplayed station. Yes, I've not played any of the hot shots golf.

[00:24:42] So ironically, I think the one that Camelot made is the weakest one because after the first game they transfer development over to a studio named known as a clap hands and clap hands has made all of the games since then.

[00:24:56] And they honestly just got better as they went on like the one on Vita world in Vintational is like a really solid golf game if you just need some of the kill time with. They haven't made a new hot shots golf in a while have they.

[00:25:08] Now the last one was everybody's golf on PS4 because they're just they've retired the hot shots golf name at this point. They're just using the Japanese naming name now, but I'm sure that's fine.

[00:25:20] Apparently there's a VR one for oh yeah, yep, yep, I saw that I don't have VR so I can't play it, but see and that's where instance where it's like oh that's the kind of sport that I think.

[00:25:33] Would work really well in VR, you know, to completely immerse yourself in the experience right. Yeah, I wouldn't know. And yeah, it's surprising that they don't try to make more golf.

[00:25:45] I mean, like golf games I think are kind of having like a weird or they had a weird Renaissance like a couple years ago in the indie scene and it feels like they kind of fell off a little bit again.

[00:25:56] Because we have like the PGA 2K series, which is going pretty well and then EA just brought back the master series as well. So if he feels like golf is kind of becoming part of the regular sports rotation again. There's so many golf games on switch to like.

[00:26:13] Oh yeah. A lot of the horses. Why should but why think that's because golf story was such a big hit on there. That is a fun game. It's a fantastic game. I think it was the first game I played on my switch.

[00:26:26] And it was so good that that's probably why a lot of people started making golf games specifically for the switch if nothing else. I mean, golf with your friends is really fun too even though it's fucking chaos. Oh yeah, that game is wacky.

[00:26:40] I love the course design in it and it just feels like a fucking batship, put up golf game, which is good. Yeah, it's good stuff. So we're going to do it a little differently because we're covering so many games. We're going to rather than save all of our.

[00:26:57] Must play okay stay ways for the end of the episode. We're going to just do them after we cover each game, just kind of get them out of the way. So for this one, I'm not going to lie. I'm going to say stay away.

[00:27:09] It's not really worth playing these days. I would agree as well.

[00:27:14] There, this is probably the we it's the it's weird that it's for me the most interesting of all the golf games on 3D or that we played, but it ends up being the one that is least worth your time. Yes, which is a shame. It's not bad.

[00:27:30] It's just not misguided well. It's not well made for this system. I think is the way. No, I mean it might be available on like my abandoned where. So it might be worth checking like the PC version, the CFP.

[00:27:46] It feels better, but even playing a golf game with like a keyboard and mouse. Feels off to me, but yeah, that could just be me. Yeah, it's one of those things where it's like I think the Wii was like legitimately the perfect console for golf games.

[00:28:01] Yeah, then there wasn't a Mario golf for it. Yeah, which is still fucking bizarre to me. But Camila did make a golf game for it. It was that Capcom one. Yeah, which is weird.

[00:28:13] But hey, they ported a Mario golf like from the game cube over that something I guess. No, they didn't. It was the the tennis game that they ported. You're right. Fine. Nintendo. New it's.

[00:28:28] That's the thing though when you when there's certain things like, oh, that's a slam dunk. They'll do that and then they don't do it. No, they were probably like Wii Sports golf is fine. I mean, I'll fucking love Wii Sports golf. Yeah, it's great.

[00:28:40] But come on, I mean that they can't use that excuse. So it's like, well, you ported a Mario tennis game. You made another Mario baseball. You made another Mario strikers like come on. Stupid. Speaking of like the games that were really good on the the Wii for golf.

[00:28:57] The EA's PGA tour was really good in speaking of EA's PGA tour. Not a not a six. Um, I would before we started this one. I'd like to say we got another unique 3D okay style.

[00:29:10] It's a box that I think it's the only 3D game that does this very weird. Any after some reason, this is the front cover of my joke case. I don't know if it's yours or not. It says welcome to the future. No, my assistant and empty jewel case.

[00:29:26] Okay. That says welcome to the future. And I have snapshots of like hockey. But looks like a person in like plan to the apes. Make up and then like a like a battle station. I don't know. It's very, very 90s, but in a scary way. Yeah.

[00:29:44] Um, so you compete with the PGA tours. I think this is the one that has. It has a three golf courses on it. So in a way, I think it has the record. I think it is the biggest game. Maybe we'll get to that at the end.

[00:30:03] Um, it is if I'm going to say anything about this one. It's the safest one out of all of these. Yeah, I think that's the same thing this I. It is definitely the easiest one to pick up and play.

[00:30:18] Well, there's I will say the notes I wrote for PGA tour 96. My favorite of the bunch. Menuser, Jank and lacking in options. But the gameplay is so much better in my opinion. Like I think this one finds the right balance between like being pick up and play.

[00:30:39] But requiring you to think about it a little bit, you know? Like it's it is the most accessible one on here. And I think that's what I enjoyed about it the most. Yeah. Yeah, it was definitely the easiest one.

[00:30:57] Graphically it's probably the least interesting, which isn't really a thing. Yeah, but it even has like in the menus. You can change how much like detail you want like low medium and high and I messed with it. I didn't notice it fucking difference. No, no for you did.

[00:31:15] None. Also musically this is. Okay, so the this game and the previous one have barely any music and this one is the music that's the music that's there is completely forget about. Oh, I know this one thing with the level detail it changed the loading times.

[00:31:31] Yeah, because this game's kind of law has kind of low times. Well, if you bump it to low, the low times aren't as bad. No, I mean even even at high the low times on this one art nearly as bad as the games will be getting to.

[00:31:45] Yeah, that's true. But we'll get to that later because there is reasoning for that.

[00:31:52] But yeah, this one was it's kind of there's not a whole lot to say about it other than it's just a really solid golf game like it's got all the traditional golf things you know like lining up the shot. You got your stroke meter.

[00:32:07] I love the menus and golf because it's like stroke play and shit. Yeah, and it has I like the the announcer.

[00:32:15] Though he only shows up on the green right where he's like this birdie pot should be straight in you know very very ASMR, which I actually really liked.

[00:32:27] Yeah, he was much more ASMR than the kind of charming British man and the free this game who was all that all number two.

[00:32:37] Yeah, yeah all these games I think are trying to have like a chill out atmosphere, but I think this is the one that really does it best you know and I like that you can also before you go out you can choose which clubs you want.

[00:32:50] You know, which is adds a little level of strategy so you don't you know have every club for every specific situation.

[00:32:58] Which is which is fun and you could also like challenge yourself and be like, you know what no pudder fuck that you know like you can look and mess with it if you want but also you could have it kind of.

[00:33:08] You know playing Jane simple and that's what I like about it is that I think world cup and maybe to an extent the other ones are trying too hard to be similar.

[00:33:17] Where is this one I wouldn't call it arcade maybe I don't even know if it's maybe a sim card where it's like it has just like it's similar enough to where I think most people would be like oh golf game but it's very easy to play which would keep people around and I think.

[00:33:38] You have to sort of balance that with golf because if it's too far in the the sim direction you're just going to turn people off.

[00:33:44] You know so like you have to bring it back just enough to where people can really get into it because say you go too far in the arcade direction you could get say like you know I mean the Mario golf games I wouldn't say or.

[00:33:56] Maybe some Katie or probably the best arcade one of being the earth masters which I mean is the best golf game ever made but unfortunately I think it would turn a lot of people off who want a more realistic golf experience.

[00:34:11] But they are wrong for not being able to appreciate that game and all that's fucking glory. Yeah, with with PGA toward 96 it's definitely the front and the most forgiving to in a lot of ways because like.

[00:34:25] The other games in particular you really need to like calculate your distance at times this one kind of generally is like you can just max it on you're probably going to be fine.

[00:34:35] Yeah and what's nice with like putting is that it kind of aligns you to where you need to go on the green anyways so you don't have to adjust that much unless the announcer says oh it's going to be a little bit to the right then it's like let me adjust it just a bit.

[00:34:50] But yeah but first say you're drive or any other fairway shots you can just sort of aim for the whole. And then yeah just fucking knock that shit and you'll probably get there.

[00:35:01] Hmm which is nice because that's the experience I want as a golf game where it's like I don't want to think about it too much.

[00:35:09] Yeah, it was this was like the most like mindless to me because I kind of just like put it on and just like before I knew it had already done like seven holes and I was like oh. I did a full 18 with even realizing it.

[00:35:21] Yeah this one was the only one I did a full actual look finished. And I ended up one stroke under par so I did all right. Not bad.

[00:35:30] Yeah so kind of like not as not as impressive as Madden because I'm pretty sure this is technically a port as well. Yeah it does have the FMV characters but yeah like compared to say World Cup golf. It's aesthetically the least appealing.

[00:35:48] Yeah, that's an issue I've seen notice with EA especially like the EA sports games in this era like. They're just not really the nicest things to look at but they're playing really solid.

[00:36:01] Madden probably is the one that tried the hardest but that also was was an original 3D or mid game. Yeah and even say the later maddenes if you compare them to say all the other NFL games that are going on around it.

[00:36:15] It feels like the most sterile of the bunch. Yeah at that time they were playing really solid and they kind of set the foundation for everybody else to kind of fuck with so. It made them like easy picks to kind of play really.

[00:36:31] Yeah this one reminds me a lot of FIFA like it's perfectly solid in every way it's just not that interesting. It's not that interesting but I would play this over FIFA any day.

[00:36:45] Oh yeah well I mean I just as much as I dislike golf because I work at a golf company to trust me insane. I'd rather play a golf game than a soccer game any day. Well golf is the perfect sport to video game eyes.

[00:37:00] Yeah well that in racing games but. Racing games are their own breed.

[00:37:06] I don't remember them with sports games like with golf it's the idea of golf is so simple you know in a way it's like a turn based game and when you video game eyes it you take away all the bullshit of like go into find.

[00:37:20] Yeah the whole and all the find your ball that stuff in the middle the fucking weather and dealing with weirdos and fucking like. Offer pants or trying to be a leadist towards you you don't worry about any of that.

[00:37:33] You know you can just kind of play it in the comfort of your own home and that's really. And with golf as we've seen with all these like weird indie games like also like what the golf it's very.

[00:37:44] Malibu like you can do so many weird things with golf just as a concept into video game form and I think that's what makes it enjoyable for a lot of us like. Because so many people shit on golf in general as a sport which I think is unfair.

[00:38:00] And you have watched golf on TV it's fine. But I see why people viewed as boring because it's very quiet and kind of chill and but I think that kind of experience the lens itself more to video games.

[00:38:14] So that's why I say people will shit on golf but you know, though maybe they'll play a Mario golf here and there because it's fun. I mean, I was jokes saying like I dislike golf but I love hot shots golf so.

[00:38:27] Yeah, so I mean how like near turf masters is like a comfort game for me so. Yeah and even then my reasoning for dislike golf has nothing to do with the sport itself so. Yeah it's your work environment which I understand. Yeah. So. Muscley okay stay away.

[00:38:45] I don't want to say must play because I feel like if there's better PGA to again, so I'm probably going to say okay on this one.

[00:38:53] I'm going to say must play in in terms of if you want to play a golf game for the 3DO, this is the one. Okay for me for me that's why I'll give it a must play there are better golf games absolutely but.

[00:39:07] If you want say a snapshot of what like simcade golf games are trying to be at the time, like this isn't a bad game at all.

[00:39:17] So I enjoyed playing it. I'll probably play it a little bit more like I can see myself popping this in and playing it later. Yeah so. So. The next three are. Interesting because mechanically they are basically identical.

[00:39:35] I mean the covers are the fucking same dude we have Pebble Beach golf links. We could 18 and.

[00:39:44] Well, I lay, why a lay my saying that right it's it's Hawaiian and I if they say it in the game and I forgot already what it how they produced it so. Yeah, yeah the the fucking the the true golf trilogy.

[00:39:58] Yeah, they're all true golf true golf classics created by T and E soft. Tits in nine hander. So I want to cover wicked 18 separately just because there is a bit more to say about this one. To agree.

[00:40:18] I didn't say much the the most I had to say was a Pebble we'll start with able beach. Okay, because that's kind of I think that's the de facto one people think of. And I've been most well known.

[00:40:36] 3DO golf game because I swear to God this game is in every like second hand video game store. I have like three copies of this game I discovered somehow. Because fun fact this one is sealed not that not the long box but the actual like.

[00:40:49] Joel case inside is still sealed. Yeah, that might be worth something one day that might be worth 50 bucks. I radically wicked 18 is actually the most valuable of the golf games at the moment. I could see why.

[00:41:04] But but what I put for Pebble Beach was it just has one golf course Pebble Beach. The power meter can be frustrating putting is very weird. The CPU tends to kick your ass and the wind can really fuck you up at times.

[00:41:18] If this was the only golf game I had, I could make it work. It's not bad but at times it can be very frustrating. Yeah, so this one is by far the most sim. I follow the well this the yes it is the most sim.

[00:41:33] The true golf games I should say are by far the most sim heavy like these games you get a lot of options. Thankfully it are simply too many yeah.

[00:41:43] Thankfully it makes more sense than true golf or world I'm not sure World Cup golf just it was designed better. Yeah, I would say that this game also loves its full motion video. I mean it's been playing behind me the entire time.

[00:42:01] Like this one come out on Saturn as well. That is a good question so these games came out on these are. These have been on a lot of things they know SNES had ports. Genesis. Oh yeah I played the Genesis version of this.

[00:42:21] Yeah there was a Saturn version because the Saturn version has extra FM the from golfer Craig Stadler. Now he might be I don't think he's on this version of it.

[00:42:37] I notice on the Saturn version because there's a I forget the name of the YouTube channel but there's a guy who's like reviewing every Saturn game. And now but now he's turned every video into like a two hour documentary.

[00:42:48] That kind of really goes off the fucking rails, but he did one on Pebble Beach and just put all the focus on that like Craig Stadler was there so that's probably what I was thinking of.

[00:42:58] It's also interestingly the only one that made it to Saturn and I think maybe was it also on PlayStation and just Saturn. Um according to this it just says 3DO and Saturn but I feel like that can't be right.

[00:43:11] So because it was on Genesis I know is there. It's a little bit on there weirdly enough doesn't have a Wikipedia page but the other two do. I don't know these ones though apparently only came 3DO is like the newest console they came out on which is weird.

[00:43:29] Well because apparently there's two fucking. Wikipedia's for because there's Pebble Beach golf links which is the 3DO Saturn one and then there's true golf classics Pebble Beach golf links which is the one that was on Super Nintendo and Sega Genesis.

[00:43:48] Though I'm pretty sure it's the same game but my guess is those are like the downgraded versions probably. I will say one thing I really like even though they cause the games load times to be fucking.

[00:44:04] I love the little animated like full motion video golf golfer and caddy whenever you line up a shot. Yeah that stuff is cool um they'll do like the overhead areas of all the holes. Like real.

[00:44:19] Like footage of it which is really cool but a lot of the game feels like it's just advertising the golf course to you. Oh yeah you know especially yeah Pebble Beach wasn't as late in. Well, I like a country club definitely was though like holy shit.

[00:44:37] Yeah yeah that one was just like a billboard you play. Yeah you would mention the so in terms of 3D I think actually these ones use the. 2D is the 2D to their 2D potential much better because like the 3D is at least somewhat present in these games.

[00:44:56] Well and it looks like actual 3D models that they're using for the courses and everything and you still have the 2D audiences. There's like sound effects going on and music is actually like decent amount of music and these.

[00:45:09] Yeah yeah there's a lot going on in here and it's very ambitious and as I would say two ambitious. Yeah. Technology and entertainment software. The the stroke like meter like putting meter the thing in like every golf game in this game.

[00:45:27] Oh boy is it does it take some practice. It's borderline dog shit. Once I figured it out I had no problem with it. But my god figuring it out took forever. Yeah the the skill. Floor is ridiculously high in this game and it feels like it's too high.

[00:45:48] Yeah that's what does not hold your hand at all like you have to actually like do the math and like figure this shit out. Yeah which some people would appreciate and I totally understand that but I think for my tastes it really annoyed me especially when.

[00:46:02] The power meter when you try to max it out if you mess the timing up it will just give you a little bit at the bottom.

[00:46:09] It does like say the tech mobile thing where you try to do the kick off and you miss the timing so it's like an onside kick. That and that pisses me off every time like I reached quite a couple times because I thought there was bullshit.

[00:46:21] Yeah we just missed the damn ball and you're like what the fuck. Yeah but I should expect that from the people who made hide lied. Did they really make. They they're the same people who made hide lied that makes so much fun. Did they also make virtual highlight.

[00:46:38] According to this no. So they didn't make the worst one. No but they did make weirdly enough golf on virtual boy. As well as rental arm and 3D Tetris and. And called Qon Pa for the PlayStation. A lot of winners.

[00:47:00] Well they also did a game on the 3D that we will be covering later called advanced dungeons and dragons slayer. Or they published it in Japan so. That yeah well we'll be covering that in the future.

[00:47:18] Yeah actually there they have arguably the biggest of list of games out of all these will decide to eat but yes he ate. They've been a de funct for a long time. D for enterprise bought up all their stuff so so de 4 owns pebble beach bring it back.

[00:47:36] I don't think that I don't think they have that I think double beach. Craig Stabler on the phone and have him re-record all the shit so that I can play pebble beach by my Xbox series axe okay. That's what we want. Yeah. So.

[00:47:56] The thing is like we could do okay must play stay away but literally will I like this literally the same game. I will say well I lay and wicked 18 adds something adds one thing that I think is really nice and that is the easy shot. True.

[00:48:15] So basically with the easy shot you don't have to worry about your accuracy anymore you just and the power meter I think's a little bit slower as well.

[00:48:23] The power and then it'll just do the accuracy for you which honestly makes these games a little bit more playable for for my taste so will a lay helps with that actually was my favorite of the three because I thought it.

[00:48:39] Fixed a lot of the little issues that I think the other two had and just felt like the smoothest gameplay experience of the three despite it being a walking billboard.

[00:48:48] Yeah, I mean, which is weird. They did that because you know it's like you know Hawaii you know Hawaii is beautiful of course so they could have put more emphasis on it from like a gameplay perspective but but it is what it is this game had by far my favorite animation and the entire all these though with the your golfer because every game has a different golfer and caddy but it's always the same one like the golfer when he wants his putter he literally just goes.

[00:49:16] Just does this every single time and I'm just like it's just it may be laugh every single time because it's so stiff but the areas. Mortal Kombat was very influential.

[00:49:29] Yeah, so the last one is wicked 18 which I described as pebble beach with wacky courses you got Roger Dean floating islands and shit. So visually this was my favorite of all the games just because it's that it is the most interesting.

[00:49:51] Apparently apparently in Japan it was called devil's course.

[00:49:55] Yeah, because in the game they refer to it as the devil's course I'm assuming it was probably some sort of censoring bullshit by the changed it for over here and with some of the course designs calling them the devil's course makes a lot of sense.

[00:50:07] Because some of them are just fucking a trotace.

[00:50:12] Oh, yeah this one by far had the most like they were like we're not basing it off a real golf course or just fucking do whatever and like like having that basically like the banjo spiral mountain as a golf course was just. That's what it meant.

[00:50:30] This was the last one I played and I think my brain was just like numb to it by this point but I did have fun playing this one. I didn't get that far. I played like maybe four holes when I was like I'm good.

[00:50:41] I've got enough to talk about it. See, I think it was a missed opportunity because they could have done more to say give the player shit to give the player more options for.

[00:50:53] Like kind of wacky or shots you know what I mean like if you're going to have these like really weird interesting courses.

[00:50:59] Why not give the player more ability to say you know mess with their shots like say have like a like a like a devil driver that goes like 500 yards or something or like a pudder that just is crazy accurate or you know like things that would it would benefit the player more but it would fit with the more weird.

[00:51:19] The aesthetic of the game because the golfers are all the fucking same yeah that was the same thing is the exact they all have the same fucking menu just slightly different colors you know they all feel like I would say 80% copy and paste.

[00:51:33] You know but that 20% difference is what makes all of them kind of have their own unique flavor but unfortunately it's not unique enough unless you're us looking for all these little differences.

[00:51:45] Because wicket is like to me it is like they just they almost were there but they just didn't.

[00:51:51] Total they did they just missed like the potential of making this the best one by like a bear because they didn't want to commit to the bit exactly like because like this one starts up because all the that will really and have a beach start up with full motion video of the said.

[00:52:08] Real life courses which is a nice touch and I like the music and like the trumpet but like the feel of them like they have a great atmosphere. Yeah that's very cute. Wicket 18 is totally 90s like it's got the 90s edge lord like totally extreme like narrator.

[00:52:23] Oh yeah it's like it's of the time full motion video CGI which I like because I have a soft spot for that.

[00:52:30] And the music is rocking like it's such a drastic shift compared to the other two but then like the mechanics are identical and it's like you got these two random golfers. But they're just in this like devil courts for no reason.

[00:52:45] Yeah it just it doesn't work as well as that as it should you know which is a shame like.

[00:52:53] What we and we've seen recently more kind of weird golf games doing weird shit so in a way this feels like slightly ahead of the time but I just think teeny didn't want to completely rework the game design.

[00:53:08] To make this like a truly unique experience I think they were just like oh we have an engine that works so we had done like two golf games that were based on.

[00:53:18] Actually golf courses so let's go crazy and just do a fun one you know it is like you know white people doing a group picture now do a silly one this is the silly one and in a way it makes it stand out but.

[00:53:33] You know comparing them to all the three of them it's like not my favorite of the three I don't know it's not my least favorite I can say that but.

[00:53:44] You should just I don't know if I'll ever play this one again like the one I'll actually go back to and play of the three probably a while.

[00:53:53] Yeah that one definitely I got the most I like the vibe of the most which is hilarious because it's literally a billboard but yeah.

[00:54:02] An advertisement but um yeah so I played wicked 18 last so I just think like that was like by that point my brain was just like. It's fine like I can deal with any bullshit at this point it's fine.

[00:54:22] Yeah, the so ranking these is going to be hard because I think literally. I think all three of them I just say are okay for the okay must play stay away. Yeah, I would give all three in here I'll do an A.

[00:54:37] Okay that's what they all are of the three as I said I would pick while I lay the most. But I guess far we're to do a ranking of best to worst do it probably go PGA while I. Wicked 18 Pebble Beach and World Cup.

[00:55:01] Yeah like if this Pebble Beach had Craig Stadler I would flip it. Seriously seriously listeners if you've not seen the version of Pebble Beach with like Craig Stadler like like egging you on and like.

[00:55:16] I think it's something you out it definitely enhances the experience you know because he's not he's not really an actor but it just it gives the game a little extra character that it needs.

[00:55:29] You know and it's a shame he's not here unless he is and I just didn't realize it like I could go through the options and check but I don't think he's here at all.

[00:55:37] I did notice that it felt like it was kind of random at times but there was a sometimes when you got on the green in these games.

[00:55:45] One of the full one of the kid the caddy with like suddenly just appear in the corner like their face full motion would be like oh. This is going to be a good shot it's like oh that's that's random.

[00:55:56] Yeah yeah and you have to earn all those like really good shots you know which which doesn't make you feel good when you hit it but as I had said before the wind really fucked with me.

[00:56:07] Like in what felt like inconsistent ways where like I was accounting for it but then like my ball which is blown I'm like what was there fucking gustow in.

[00:56:17] You know like that stuff seemed kind of weird to me and I didn't know really how to account for it but like to me like the most like what the fuck moment I had was. I um.

[00:56:28] I was like legit like like two inches away from the hole and the ball was like literally like just about on the lip of the fucking hole and I did like the most baby shot ever just because I'm like alright this is going to be easy.

[00:56:41] I touched the ball and it legit just moved like an inch and didn't go in and I was like what the fuck.

[00:56:46] Yeah and and how it judges if balls actually go in the hole or not for putting was so weird because I would have some that would curve really hard to the left and it would maybe graze the corner and be like oh you got it I'm like what fucking what how.

[00:57:01] It's very weird very weird. Oh I have to mention it just because this is a bit that we've forgotten about but it's relevant here. All three of the true golf games have memory managers that is true all of them do great in fact PGA does as well.

[00:57:20] Hmm see I'll eat you the option to go in because these games are some fucking reason take up so much room. I don't know why they take up so much room. It's got to be all the fucking data and stats and shit.

[00:57:36] I guess what it feels like the stats is not that big just that dude. This gotta be some weird background shit because I the second I was done I wiped all of that shit off my 3DOS hard drive. Yeah, it was like nope done with that.

[00:57:51] Yeah fucking stupid. I don't know. I did it that did make my day though because I was like oh yeah, I'll yeah memory manager. Totally. Maybe that's why these were so cheap because people were buying them so they can actually manage the memory of their 3DOS.

[00:58:09] I mean it's tell a lot cheaper than alone in the dark so. Exactly. But I I want to lie I have fun with all of these two degree I didn't really like world up golf but. I enjoyed by time playing golf games. What else I say?

[00:58:29] I always enjoy my time with golf games always. This is no Neo turf masters. It's no PGA tour 2K 21 which I still play once in a while on my Xbox.

[00:58:41] But it's not even Mario golf in the game boy color but you know these games they they do their thing.

[00:58:50] Yeah, and they work for I think what they're trying to be overall and you know don't be surprised if I end up playing the sky a little bit more.

[00:59:01] And who knows maybe I'll do a deep dive into the PGA tour series and you know go into all that so it could be interesting. I think the only sport we have to cover now is on others too.

[00:59:15] We've we're starting to get the trifecton sports games on 3D. I don't know if there's a hockey game and I'm not sure if there's anything there is.

[00:59:23] Well, we'll have to check like hockey I don't think so baseball I'd be surprised if there wasn't a baseball game on here. Yeah, because that's like the last thing we really need to do if we're going to cover the try like the sporting trifecta. Yeah.

[00:59:40] I will say though there is there's see there's one I'm looking at the baseball games. There are there's one call I think it's Japan only called pro yaku virtual stadium professional baseball it's an EA one. But it only came out in Japan for some reason.

[01:00:04] I'd have to import. Yeah, and then there's in the non game software collection there's the ESPN baseball interactive hitting. Well, we might when we do that that baseball game we might as well just cover that mention it anyway. Sure why not yeah.

[01:00:26] And then as far as hockey no there were some ESPN golf. Edutainment stuff your score with Tom Kite shot making in mental messages which unfortunately I did not do my homework on those before this but if you guys want to know off all watch him.

[01:00:45] All right, and I think we agreed last episode or off camera anyways that our next game we want to cover is we're going to be joining the people's party pretty soon. And we're going to finish the trilogy of party games on 3D.

[01:00:58] And I got it nice I'm looking forward to this I heard really easy yeah was like 20 bucks showed up in a couple days easy peasy but eBay works it works very well.

[01:01:10] I think because we're at episode 46 so that will be 47 and then I think we wanted to do star blade or is it star breaker. Yeah, we could do star blade.

[01:01:21] Yeah, because I've heard great things about that one and we need just one more game and then we'll be at 50. I mean there's still the game I want to do but it involves a captain. Right. Yeah. Worst comes to worst I can emulate it. All right.

[01:01:41] Is that is you know that's an expensive one. It is. All right, but yes our next week we're going to be talking about the people's party. Good old Zadnast. Communism. What a weird game. It'll studio 3D.

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