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[00:00:00] Hey, it's your boy Dre off the top here. Once again, like Bernie Sanders, I am once again asking, please rate and review us. Please a little show like ours. It helps us so much.

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[00:00:33] network we're part of now. Go there and listen to us and leave us comments. We would really, really appreciate it. Let's start the show. I've been to a video game land. Hello, party people. It's your boy Dre. Hello, party person. It's my boy Steve.

[00:01:10] What the hell is that? Hello, party person Kevin. I don't get to be your boy though. No, I mean, I shortened it up because Steve didn't like that and I got nervous and I was like, I need to try something else.

[00:01:23] If you would have called me your boy like you did, Steve, I would have liked it. I mean, I'm sorry. I just, God, I just do we have to start over? You're fucking dealing with me and Steve.

[00:01:35] It's too hot in here. Summer is here. Guys, as of this recording, tomorrow it will be 104 degrees. Holy fuck. We are we are cooking over here. What is that in Celsius? Oh, Jesus Christ. Guess. Don't don't look at it. Oh, don't look. Okay. 37? I don't know.

[00:01:58] Okay. Let me look. Let me look because I can change. I can change the gap to Celsius right now 34. I wasn't bad. That was not that was not bad. 34 is uncomfortably hot. Yeah, so no, actually, I fucking lied. Okay, let's extrapolate from here.

[00:02:17] It's 93 right now as of this recording and I changed it and it said 34. So 104 must be like 37, right? 38. All right, boy. I wouldn't know. There's there's somebody who's a real enthusiast about like maximum extreme temperatures around

[00:02:39] North America that is tuning into the show for the first time that just got super disappointed. Oh, they're so they're so mad. They're so looking for years for the hottest weather podcast. And now we're talking about Nintendo games. Fuck.

[00:02:53] I think I would listen to a podcast like a weather dot com official podcast of like weird weather phenomenons. Well, in 1977, you know, Ohio had this heat wave that whatever. I think I would legitimately listen to that. Yeah, but they wouldn't they wouldn't have good hosts.

[00:03:13] It would be like fucking, you know, Bob from CFBN Ohio. Like 82 fucking years old that's doing it from his basement and can't figure out that he shouldn't be using the microphone that's built into his laptop for his podcast. That's what it would be. It wouldn't be good.

[00:03:30] Not to mention his co-host that, you know, was disgraced from local newscasting and isn't allowed to broadcast anymore. Yeah, they shuttled them off to the to the weather podcast. No, I think it would be good. It would be like an NPR of weather.

[00:03:45] The weather podcast from weathermen that have been me to. Anyone who has had a racial slur incident, it gets get shoved off onto the. All right, I'm back in. I'm listening to that podcast. There's some gems in there.

[00:04:06] Yeah, this shitty mic will be worth it to hear is disgraced. Oh, I want to tell you guys about this because I know you guys don't watch sports. I think it was two years ago now, maybe even last year. There was a guy on the Oakland A's broadcast.

[00:04:24] It was so it was pregame. It wasn't during the game. It was pregame and he meant to say he went to the Negro League Baseball Museum, but instead of Negro, he said something else. I remember this. And I just couldn't.

[00:04:41] I was like, did you really like I couldn't even it's like how do you can't like those aren't even the same word? I but how was that on your mind? Like that's just because he's been he's been calling it that to his wife for the last two years.

[00:05:00] And so it just it's it's a yep. Yep, that has to have been it right because that's the only thing that makes sense. Anyway, anyone who had a slip up like that goes through the weather podcast. Fine time.

[00:05:16] All right, I promise we're going to talk video games right now. At least I am to start and I want to talk about bat and kaitos one and two remastered because as you guys remember this was revealed in a Nintendo Direct last fall

[00:05:33] or something or maybe last summer. And I was interested in it, but I couldn't get a straight answer on the performance because in that Nintendo Direct it was 60 and I was super excited. But then you go to the Namco website or whatever and it says it runs at 30,

[00:05:49] which did not line up with the footage we saw, which made me think like, okay, are they talking about some other PS5 version that like or whatever that we didn't see here? Because that was definitely 60. What footage should we see? So I held off on buying it.

[00:06:04] The answer is the Switch version just runs uncapped and the performance is all over the place. Sometimes it even runs in the teens for extended periods, which is obviously worse than the original games cap of 30, which it never dropped from. So I was like, you know what?

[00:06:22] No, thank you. I'll wait for another version. That other version is here because they shadow-dropped it on Steam about, I don't know, two weeks ago, three weeks ago. And I was like, okay, here we are. Steam.co.

[00:06:35] And I didn't think I'd ever really get to play these games again because of the nature of them. They had always been one of my biggest re-release wishes, so I was really excited for them to come out again until the Switch version was what it was.

[00:06:49] But now in this new Steam version, which is running beautifully, by the way, no problems, I never thought they would happen because of the pre-rendered backgrounds. So for those who don't know, Banquetos and Banquetos Origins are two GameCube RPGs that make use

[00:07:05] of said backgrounds and even more than that, animated pre-rendered backgrounds at times, which becomes really difficult. There's also usage of real-time effects like fog or cloud overlays and shit and moody lighting, so they really ground the characters in the scene.

[00:07:24] It's not like the old Resident Evil's or something like that where it's like you can clearly, you know, it's just a backdrop and you can tell they're running around it even though this game still do an effective job.

[00:07:33] This is better because you can do more real-time effects on top of it with the next generation of power at that time, next generation. But to port this stuff over is no small feat.

[00:07:44] I think, I don't know if either of you have played the 2015 PS4 version of Resident Evil 2002, like the GameCube version boarded. Okay, so I don't know if you guys remember the scene that was outside.

[00:07:57] This was new for that version where there's like a fire pit and there's like four different kinds of scenes around the fire pit like angles and it's all lit up real-time with the fire that was pre-rendered. For some reason could not do that in the 2015 version.

[00:08:13] It just wasn't working out. So they recreated that entire thing in 3D actually with like actual real-time lighting and geometry and everything. You can't tell. When you look at them side by side, you would think it's just the same thing

[00:08:27] or just maybe, oh, this version is using HDR or something like that. Right? It's actually really remarkable, you know? And the reason why I'm mentioning that from Resident Evil is because I think

[00:08:38] that in Kitos, I've only played, I should say, I don't know, 15-ish hours of the original. I haven't got around to Origin Jet but I'm sure it does a similarly great job. It's just really great.

[00:08:51] You start out in a village with like an animated background of these trees with these yellow leaves swinging back and forth and that's the big test right up front. Because you're like, okay, how's this look? Or rather, how is it going to look? It looks fucking great, man.

[00:09:05] It looks so good. You would never know. You would think they just made this for the system and it's like, oh, that's cute. They're doing the old 90s, 2000s pre-render thing. That's a cute indie game but no, it's like a real thing. You know, from the past.

[00:09:21] It looked, that's how good it looks. You would just never know. It doesn't look like a port. It's not super pixelated or whatever. Have fat chants, have either of you played like the 2019 port of Onomusha to like Switch or whatever? Those backgrounds are really soft.

[00:09:38] So I wouldn't say they're blurry. They're just soft as hell even on Switch where the resolution isn't even that high. So it works but clearly they had to like smooth them out. There's none of that going on here in Baton Kitos.

[00:09:52] I'm wondering if they're using some sort of AI upscaler? They have to be, right? Because like they can't just recreate those, Kevin, I think. Yeah, I don't know. I'm wondering is there any like telltale signs of that because I think even in the Skyward Sword

[00:10:09] remake for Switch because that was definitely using AI but it caused a lot of like super weird, you know, looked good for the most part but it caused some really weird issues that would stick out because it just didn't like couldn't capture things properly.

[00:10:23] Is there any of that going on there too? Not that I've noticed. Like every house I've been in, every big city scape I've seen, all the trees and stuff, everything looks immaculate. I haven't seen anything that makes it go, that looks a little sus or whatever. Like nothing.

[00:10:39] I think you guys remember the Grand Theft Auto PS2 Trilogy ports where they used AI upscaling and all the signs were wrong and all the shit spelled everything wrong. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's none of that going on here. This looks clean as fuck and this is 16 by 9.

[00:10:57] So I don't know if the original backdrops are actually that big or if they did some very careful like stitching together. I don't know man but they look really good. It's just it's an incredible port job. I guess is all I'm really trying to say.

[00:11:13] As for the game itself, I think this pretty much holds up as well as it did. Baton Kitos was never like something I would put in my like upper echelon of RPGs but it's always something I've really enjoyed.

[00:11:27] Like on a scale from 1 to 10 I give it like an 8. You know it's not a 9 or a 10. It's an 8. It's a really good game that I enjoyed. It's this is kind of hard to talk about without spoiling and I will not spoil but

[00:11:44] Steve, you know how Xenoblade feels very complete? Shall we say when you when you play the story is very you get to see everything. You know you know that you live on the remains of these two things that fought a

[00:12:00] long time ago but it's not just old prophecy. You get to you know that's all I can really say. You know Baton Kitos is the same way. You get to really enjoy it versus a game like Skies of Arcadia where you just accept

[00:12:18] that they're in the sky and they live in Skyland and that's really all there is to it. Baton Kitos really digs into why the world is the way it is. That's all I can really say without spoiling and that's why I really like the game.

[00:12:32] The battle system though, I didn't remember it feeling this. In my notes I wrote the word glacial which is obviously like a pejorative. That's why that's the thing I always say towards Paper Mario games is why I don't

[00:12:45] like them because it feels so glacial not just battles but like the entire game for me. You could maybe say that about Baton Kitos to a degree. This is definitely not a piece for everybody.

[00:12:57] Sometimes you can get locked into a battle with just like three basic bitch enemies for like several minutes just because the right cards. This is a card game everybody if you don't know. You have you build yourself a deck of cards of attack cards, defense cards, healing cards,

[00:13:13] etc. and you put them in your deck and whatever happens happens. I think Kevin you've played enough to know that you could even each card has a number and you could do like poker hands basically. Oh I got two pairs so I did like 20% more damage.

[00:13:27] That shit really matters it's not just frivolous. Do they do anything that builds on that system throughout the game because that was why I stopped playing it. I didn't like the battle system or do they try and keep it further engaging

[00:13:42] because I can't see wanting to play through just the meat and potatoes of what that battle system are throughout an entire RPG? Yeah you have to really like it. The answer to your question is yes it does because as your characters level up or class

[00:13:59] up if you will you get more access. You can hold more cards and you can play more cards per turn and you have more cards on your palette to pick from per turn. So just by doing that the game opens up because you can set up more stuff.

[00:14:15] Just makes them more robust. Yeah you can set up more stuff because back when you could only pick like three cards you can't really do a whole lot of setups. When you can pick like six cards per turn and have 50 cards in your deck and have like

[00:14:27] six or seven cards to pick from per turn then you can obviously imagine how much that opens it up to you and things get really fun. So yeah the answer is yes but it takes a long time to get there and I completely

[00:14:40] don't blame you for feeling that way. This is not a game for everybody. You know I guess like yeah these ports include the typical like quality of life menu as they call it.

[00:14:52] I always call it the cheat menu because that's exactly what it is but it's like oh you can make battles faster or you could turn off encounters or you can do this. I do not like playing RPG releases with that stuff on.

[00:15:03] I never have and I probably never will. It's totally fine if you like those things for me. I just want to if the game isn't good enough to play on its own and I have to like quote

[00:15:14] unquote fix it with that kind of stuff I should probably just be playing something else. That's how I feel but you know your mileage may vary. A lot of people like that kind of menu stuff so it is in this game if you like it.

[00:15:28] Kevin I think some of the glacialness though comes down to like animations and this isn't a thing specific to bat and kaito so I think it's just the era where like a lot of things just take a lot longer than they should.

[00:15:39] Like I remember fighting this boss where whenever he attacks you he levitates up off the ground a little bit that takes like several seconds zips right over to you sets himself down slowly

[00:15:51] does his attacks to you then goes back in place rises up zips back sets himself back down. It takes fucking forever. Like there's no need to have that much animation you know. There's nothing in the quality of life that just let's you like at least you know

[00:16:10] play the battle animations twice as fast because I feel like that would be an improvement. Oh I'm sure that's in there. I think you can speed up battles. Here's the thing though you can't really do that across the board because you only

[00:16:20] have so much time to pick your cards. You can't really play these battles at like 4x speed because you need to pick each card as they're coming up and you only have a few seconds to do that.

[00:16:31] So you can't really play this game at Mach speed in my opinion. Yeah I only breezed through the original however long ago because of when that game came out. I'm going to play this again at some point but after you told me about

[00:16:45] after we established that everything wasn't quite as it seemed I do have a switch copy I got for cheap so I'm kind of hoping switch tool let me you know play it as God intended will see.

[00:16:56] I can't recommend this so I mean look if it's all you really got I guess but. Okay but I'm not about to buy a new computer. If it again if it's all you got then fine but like good luck sometimes with the way that game runs.

[00:17:11] The voice acting they ditched the English voice acting from our original games that's only in Japanese here which is fine because if anyone out there has ever heard the original voice acting of baton kaitos.

[00:17:23] Some of the worst shit you've ever heard you know it came out the same year as tales of symphony and we're all praising Namco for the great voice acting in that game right

[00:17:30] and then baton kaitos is a complete other end it's not only bad acting it sounds terrible everyone sounds like they're coming from a tin can it is really bad so they just left it out completely but they still kept our original English script which makes a discrepancy between

[00:17:47] what the Japanese voices are saying and what's you know what's actually on screen but whatever you would only care about that if you're studying Japanese like I am. I want to end this by saying the composer Motoi Sakuraba you are a fucking legend my friend

[00:18:04] Jesus Christ me earlier me and the guys are talking about just the run he had in the early to mid 2000s and it was just all quality there's no stinkers in there I mean from the golden

[00:18:17] suns to many many tales games to both baton kaitos is to every Mario sports game the guy was just on fire and all that shit is incredible if anyone out there has played any of the games

[00:18:29] and he has your judge talked about you know what I mean it's great stuff mario power tennis is like one of my favorite soundtracks of his like period still to this day I think all that all

[00:18:39] that camelot stuff is is a super solid it's just so good and baton kaitos is no exception really great classic RPG stuff oh well I think I'll just leave with this is that I was thinking

[00:18:54] during the first few battles I was like man this battle theme has like a lot of components to it like this goes on a while like I haven't heard it loop and then I remember it as the

[00:19:03] game went on oh these battles sometimes go a long time so I was so he probably is like yeah that we need to extend this so we need to put the extended version in here because you might be here

[00:19:17] a while anyway having fun playing baton kaitos can't recommend it enough on steam I have a question I want to ask before we move on because as you were talking about this I was

[00:19:27] remembering as well when I tried playing this I also felt like some of the you know quote-unquote dungeon areas felt like it was they were just kind of a slog to get through it was a little

[00:19:38] bit slow to progress there was a lot of like um but like long paths that you would go down with like very little reward to get out of them is that was that like a major thing with that game

[00:19:49] where it's like you got it you got to enjoy like engaging with these dungeons even though they're maybe not giving that much back to you yeah dungeon design in this game is very

[00:20:00] it can be very old school like I'm in a place right now where it's like you need these four books then you need to put them on these four shelves around this dungeon and also you need these keys

[00:20:10] to get into these other play it's very complicated you know and so like if you don't like that kind of thing it's very like 80s and 90s dungeon design it's not very 2000s at all so yeah I

[00:20:22] understand what you mean if you don't like that kind of thing then you're not gonna really like this game plus the battle system you're just gonna be fighting and fighting sometimes a lot so

[00:20:32] yeah I get it it's I can't sit here and blank it recommended to everybody but if it sounds like your kind of thing then it probably is give it a give it a shot all right Steve this episode is

[00:20:56] going to air on the 4th of July Independence Day for my country in your country but not Kevin's so yeah fuck you so you played a game in the spirit of this holiday I was gonna say this

[00:21:13] great holiday but your mileage may vary it's only as good as the barbecue you're having in my opinion but uh yep can I come over for ribs by the way you're gonna invite me one of these days we're just

[00:21:23] having burgers and dogs okay fine I'll take burgers if I could ever get invited to independence day are you are you you want to be your first American Independence day get invited to Canada Day but okay I guess we could just start inviting you wow nobody gives a

[00:21:43] shit about Canada Day it's fine I'm gonna be totally real I did not know that was a thing until you told me like two days ago yeah yeah you know why because we weren't invited all right I'll

[00:21:54] remember next year anyway you know what I played I played Contra Roadcore Contra Roadcore is not Contra Operation Goluga which was just released a little while ago Contra Roadcore was a game that was announced in E3 2019 on Nintendo's Direct you know the one where they led off with

[00:22:17] Hero being in Smash Brothers and ended with Banjo being in Smash Brothers and also a teaser for what we would eventually know is Tears of the Kingdom yeah that one somewhere in the middle

[00:22:29] they had a very very cringy looking trailer for this game they were like oh no this is what they're doing with Contra right now this newly revived Konami this is what they're doing to our favorite

[00:22:42] one of our favorite run-in gunners did this have like a talking panda bear in it or something am I remembering that right yes all I remember from it is that it was top down is that correct

[00:22:56] most of the time yes and you had limited ammo is that correct the gun can overheat and then you have to wait for it to go back to same difference really anyway go anyway why do I have it because

[00:23:10] nobody bought this fucking game and then I bought it on a GameStop deal of the day way back at during our original creative endeavor and I thought I was going to piss myself off with this

[00:23:21] way back then I never did so now this holiday came up I figured let's finally put this in and play it like okay why did you think America fuck yeah would have came to Contra I just I just

[00:23:37] need to know Contra where does you know Contra America here commandos shooting shit to death I see what he's I see where he's come you know you countra but come on I mean yes our

[00:23:50] Bill riser and whatever the fuck his other name is are very American coded don't get me wrong but like yeah okay I hear you so is this absolute trash that we all kind of ignored

[00:24:06] I might guys I might be getting soft in my old age or maybe just in comparison to real trash I played around here like gargoyles the latter Megaman X quartet and even bow and wonder world I kind of found this overwhelmingly okay

[00:24:25] like this isn't even the worst contra game I have ever played that would be contra force for everyone playing along at home holy shit that game is just awful that is the worst contra game that's

[00:24:36] worse than any of the like the ps1 ones or whatever for sure so anyway what do we do when contra road core you play a prologue as some commando guy that looks like Bill riser got smacked with an ugly

[00:24:49] stick and had a drill grafted on his arm while some lady in a helicopter is just so cool and edgy describing the rest of the cast a lady who that's different than the one who's narrating

[00:25:01] there's a separate lady she's got an alien that got the fly to her you know that movie it's like living her stomach like crying and that's a character so she like but can that thing

[00:25:15] independently talk from her or is the thing in her stomach her well she well you have lady on top and then the thing in their stomach just makes a lot of noises okay unpleasantly you got another alien

[00:25:30] that decided to turn on the aliens because I guess he watched Fraser he's like oh no we must get rid of these other aliens come yes quite like he's a race trader and as Kevin pointed out earlier

[00:25:45] there's a fucking panda I think that I think his backstory is that a doctor was dying and he's like oh shit I need to keep living so he's stuck his brain in a panda so now he's now we have a panda

[00:25:56] for contra yeah you know what you know what I'm upset too because I wanted to play as a fucking panda so bad but because I was doing this for a fourth of July show god bless America I gotta I gotta

[00:26:06] play with our familiar but not really commando guy in the spirit of the thing and really there really wasn't that much difference going on between them because once you start the game proper

[00:26:16] you're in a hub and you can practice shooting and improve your gear and your organs based on drops and why would you need to practice shooting just you're in a hub because guys we were supposed

[00:26:31] to be playing this with friends and local or online multiplayer mode that's not gonna fucking happen in 2024 now is it it wasn't happening in 2019 either or whatever this came out so so what am I gonna do by myself I'm gonna select a mission or level from the board

[00:26:53] it's gonna load and then I'm gonna follow along a corridor and it's gonna make me shoot a lot of fucking alien demon things and it's not the worst feeling thing in the world you fire with

[00:27:05] zr and you aim with the right stick okay this it's not that bad you gotta make keep track of how your weapons work blah blah blah it's not it's not great it's not bad except for when the game sticks

[00:27:19] you into what it literally calls shooting gallery mode you know just like an original contra if not for the cringe announcement every time now entering shooting gallery mode you know where

[00:27:30] you go behind the character in third person mode and it was it was real cool in the 80s but why are we doing this in 2019 hold on hold on hold the hold on I have many questions so like a lady like

[00:27:46] an AI voice lady comes on and literally says now entering shooting gallery like literally like that oh no it's the lady in the helicopter she's following you around on all your missions

[00:27:55] like your conscience or some shit okay and what does this entail so like literally it goes behind that are you saying it's like level two of the original where you're going like a down a corridor

[00:28:07] or something and like you know it's like that sort of behind the back view where you're shooting forward is it like that that would be how shooting gallery mode works yes but why is that

[00:28:18] why is it shooting gallery though do like just 50 guys appear and you just like blow them away like real fat like why is it a shooting I hate to be I hate to interject but I'm just saying when

[00:28:29] you're playing the game where a guy put his brain in a panda I don't know that we are going to make that much sense of the idea behind shooting gallery can we have a main mechanic of the game

[00:28:41] that they shout out make fucking sense though please like that it has to maybe it doesn't because Konami doesn't care you know what honestly I'd almost be inclined to say this would be a

[00:28:57] neat novelty for the ps2 on our rental weekend however guys there's no soundtrack in this game what yeah there's a handful of overall or orchestrational beats that pop up when you're shooting things and maybe what something that could be construed as a boss song but but you're

[00:29:17] sitting there why you didn't they didn't go all the way and make stupid over orchestrated versions of actual contra tracks if that was the mood to go for I would have been about this if you were

[00:29:27] going to be stupid be stupid all the way you know or do literally anything contra is not even contra without music what the fuck are they even doing in the end I could not be bothered to finish this

[00:29:41] not not because it's awful but because after the first major boss they start cycling through the levels again but with different missions okay maybe that would be more fun with friends especially when you're customizing your load up but the more I would be doing this the more I'm

[00:29:56] reminded of mercenary kings a much better game that uses this gameplay loop and has no problem owning what it's inspired by on its sleeve I mean and even if I had friends like road

[00:30:11] court thinks I should you know thanks for rubbing that in you guys I'd rather be spending that time playing mercenary kings mercenary kings is maybe one of the best indie games of all time

[00:30:22] mercenary kings is incredible and that's really what's wrong here in the end the game is just kind of dull after a few hours and there's way too much of it I I looked it up after like

[00:30:34] the second or third major boss there's like there was like another 15 levels to play through after no I'm not doing this anymore and no one should you ever play contra rebirth yeah that was great

[00:30:49] do you remember the intro where he'd like bill riser just wakes up naked inside of this alien pod and then some robots like good morning bill riser or shall I say contra I think she says

[00:31:01] and it's like what I'm bill riser yes you are oh well if you say so I must be bill riser and a contra and then the game begins I feel like that would have been better than

[00:31:14] whatever late helicopter lady you were describing I think helicopter lady was practicing for oh god what's that game that I lost my all my money on uh oh for for spoken not forsaken yes not

[00:31:31] I think she was practicing for that so let me get this straight you guys are contrast you could have got away with playing as the panda if that's what you really wanted to I don't

[00:31:41] think the American people would have condemned you and said like how unpatriotic that you didn't but you didn't play contra rope core yeah no I'm a real mixing fan he gave us the pandas you know

[00:31:54] what's more patriotic than a panda all right Kevin you played a thing and I have no idea what this thing is I did peek at your notes but I want you to tell us all about it yeah so don't don't

[00:32:20] I played doughnut county uh doughnut county at its essence is an indie game where you play as a little hole in the ground and you move around the ground and suck things up in your hole and as

[00:32:34] you suck these things up your hole gets larger um so many I'm a great game love that game please please don't please don't um um take any of these sound bites out of context for anything

[00:32:49] I don't know last week I did finally drop a Steve let me tighten your nuts so there's no there's no guarantee no one is safe yeah okay um and this this is a fucking short breezy game

[00:33:02] I spent maybe two hours playing this um and I think a lot of times when I play short games and then I talk about them on the show I'm always feel like that's exactly what it um needed to be

[00:33:14] right we um you know I've talked about uh what remains of Edith Finch before like that's a great instance of that game was the perfect length for what it is um fire watch

[00:33:24] stuff like that this one no and I want to say at front I don't feel like the game short changed itself um I don't I didn't like feel cheated um and you know they didn't give me

[00:33:35] enough content or something like that but but I think it could have been longer I was I was enjoying it and I definitely could have taken a couple more hours of exactly what it was giving me um so

[00:33:46] I'm not I'm not condemning the game but I guess I'm just saying if there was a doughnut county too that was um like barely iterative I'd still be pretty interested in playing it it was very

[00:33:56] it's just a fun satisfying game so let's talk about about gameplay wise because before I played this um definitely I thought catamari is the easy comparison right we're talking about consume things and get bigger but catamari is not really the best comparison um to this game because

[00:34:15] this is and and I'll get into this in a second I would probably say this is more of a puzzle game um because the the idea is you need to figure out the sequence to consume these things obviously

[00:34:26] you know that's kind of similar in catamari where you're going smaller to bigger but there's not as much thought about it in catamari it's just try and do it as fast as you can you've got a time

[00:34:36] limit um and that there are also individual unique mechanics to some of these levels so for example there's one where you suck up a fire and then you suck up corn and it turns the corn into

[00:34:47] popcorn um so so puzzle-ish but at the same time with enough trial and error if you just continue moving your hole around these levels because none of these levels are overly big um if you just

[00:35:03] continue to shift your hole um through enough trial and error you will you will basically do everything you need to do without much thought into it um it'll just kind of eventually happen in

[00:35:20] the order order necessary and getting stuck um is for the most part not really an option I would I almost when I was trying to think about comparisons um and bear with me but power wash simulator

[00:35:32] kind of crossed my mind in the sense that it's like this is something you can if you want you can just kind of like play this mindlessly and just do it and I like those kind of games where

[00:35:43] it's just you know it's very easy to just like turn my brain off I don't need to strategize I don't need to like really even play with intent for the most part um and then you the this isn't

[00:35:55] isn't that to that degree as power wash simulator but in the same at the same token there's there's kind of that um it has that leniency to it to guess okay um and and even if even whether

[00:36:07] you're playing it you know with less or more intent I think a lot of the fun is it of this game is just like seeing the consumption of these levels kind of unfold organically and if you do something

[00:36:20] by accident without like figuring out it's what you're supposed to do and it just happens you know that that can be fun in itself um so that's yeah that's I think that's why I really

[00:36:31] liked this game and that's why um there is a little bit of jank here which I okay so not a major issue but sometimes um you know something like an explosion will happen in the levels and things

[00:36:45] will like you know get dispersed amongst level and they don't quite like land where they're supposed to where you're you're it's difficult to get your hole where they are um and sometimes things don't just quite fit in your hole the way that you think they should um

[00:37:06] take me seriously you can you will never have another episode where someone says hold as much it will never be unless we're talking about the discography of hole trying to speak critically about a video game here I know this is serious business on fine

[00:37:25] time I go to I go to submit my like application to be a video games writer for the New Yorker and I say check out fine time as a reference it's not going to go over well yeah Jason Shrier

[00:37:37] is not putting you on his team at Bloomberg when uh you know I don't think so yeah tell me to take my shifting hole elsewhere this sounds fun though because I always I mean the the comparisons to Katamari and like other

[00:37:57] such things I really obviously like stuff like that so like let me ask you this is there like score play is there like do you get like graded on this stuff is there like any is it like that

[00:38:08] kind of game or is it not you just kind of there's there's a trashopedia so you can kind of that I have to be honest I didn't really like poke around the trashopedia all that much okay um

[00:38:19] but so it's just just kind of like like what you have like sucked up in your hole um as a diary I guess um I didn't yeah I didn't I didn't uh I didn't mess around with that I just kind of

[00:38:34] worked my way through the levels so back to the jank a little bit too um there's late game so you are given uh the opportunity to eject things out of your hole at times um and so and so you can do

[00:38:50] that late game and there was this one level where you're supposed to eject something and hit this um hit the shelf above you and there's like five rabbits on top of it do you remember that part

[00:39:00] Steve yes okay so at that part in specific I tried doing that like five times and it just wasn't working like it would eject out of my hole but it wouldn't um like it wouldn't like trigger knocking the

[00:39:18] rabbits down to like continue through the level so I spent fucking you know and I kept like occasionally I'd be like oh I've got to hit this and it wouldn't work and I'd go and spend a

[00:39:26] bunch of time trying other stuff so I got to the point where I spent like five minutes like going around this very small level like desperately trying to find anything because I just felt like I was not

[00:39:35] understanding what I was supposed to do at all and then I went and tried shooting at that shelf again and it just fucking worked exactly as it should um and that was frustrating now again

[00:39:45] that's not that's not a common enough thing to be much of an issue did you remember did that happen to you at that part in specific Steve is that just like a super fucking janky shelf

[00:39:54] I gotta I got a level with you Kevin I played this during our creative previous creative endeavor so this was a while ago under very similar circumstances or oh shit I need a thing to play

[00:40:05] or I'm screwed so I don't want to rat him out Jesus grace he didn't have to do that I was very up front that's what it was I needed I needed to talk about a video game and I was should the

[00:40:18] people know that I'm not sure I'm not sure uh they know we're up to that's okay he admitted I'll give her shit and oh lord no I so yeah I don't remember that well if it was that bad Kevin sorry okay okay well maybe if

[00:40:34] Andre decides that this tickles his fancy I picked this up and I'm sure the sale is probably done now um but it was like fucking three dollars on switch or something when I got it so I'm

[00:40:43] routinely very cheap everywhere the steam summer sale is going on right now I bet I could find it for 49 cents or some bullshit probably or whatever right yeah they just give it to

[00:40:53] you if you do that let me let me know about your rabbit shelf okay I'm gonna say let me know about your hole let me I'm trying to I'm trying to keep it above board for the rest of this show all right

[00:41:05] so my biggest critique with this game um is the dialogue sequence sequences between the characters so there is a whole story about you know this whole sucking up this town and I will definitely give them the writing is well thought out and it's whimsical

[00:41:20] it's definitely like 98% of it is writing for the sake of it it's it's not not consequential to the game at all the writing is good and I'm glad it's there for those who would enjoy it but it

[00:41:35] did wear thin on me not too long in and you cannot skip these sequences they take some time so it was a lot of sitting there mashing a to get through them which barely speeds it up and

[00:41:47] there's these sequences where like these characters are texting each other and so you like see a raccoon sitting here holding his phone like waiting for his friend to reply and it's just showing like the

[00:41:58] three dots that she's typing and you know I'm mashing like okay fucking get a move on right now again I'm glad that this is here for those who want it but I feel like they

[00:42:10] intentionally decided to not let you skip these sequences because they were really proud of you know of how they wrote them and felt like it was an important part of the game personally I feel like if you're so confident in those sequences then you should give people

[00:42:26] the ability to skip them and just be confident that the majority of people will appreciate them for what you gave them and will be interested enough to stay there anyways I would even go as far

[00:42:37] I think if I like was getting bored and I skipped one I would have been more engaged in like trying to enjoy them as I went forward but once I realized I couldn't skip them then I was just

[00:42:46] kind of pissed off again very much not a deal breaker it certainly didn't make me like regret my time with this game or anything I just I found that I don't know a little bit like disappointing and if

[00:42:59] they would have just like give the player a little bit more confidence or agency I would I think maybe I would have just like respected it that much more for that Kevin I don't remember the

[00:43:09] dialogue being that terrible and maybe you were just a little too anxious to go back to playing with your hole oh no and I don't think the dialogue was terrible I don't I really don't I just didn't

[00:43:19] I just I what that's exactly what you said I was too anxious to get back to playing with my whole that's that's what I wanted to be doing I didn't want to watch the raccoon text messaging his

[00:43:29] friend talking about like selling you know fucking donuts or whatever they like whatever they were talking about I stopped paying attention because I just wanted to suck my you know

[00:43:40] what is going to be the name of this show what is the name of this episode I don't even know I have such a wealth of hole to pick from I don't even know what I'm gonna do later you'll

[00:43:52] find out probably feel confident it's gonna be a whole themed episode all right guys we've talked enough we I think we need to go watch our holes how about we hit

[00:44:03] the showers huh yes let's go it's time to hit the showers we'll be right back okay we're back hey guys I got breaking news we got breaking you we have a breaking new sound breaking news breaking fucking news

[00:45:04] there have been seven new games added to nintendo switch online nintendo entertainment system nintendo switch 7 they are cobra triangle solar jetman golf mock writer donkey kong junior math urban champion and at the lantis no nazo uh the mystery of atlantis

[00:45:32] well I think that last one's on famicom but already yeah we did that ages ago yeah but uh more rareware is welcomed in my town maybe not so much donkey kong junior math that's so weird why would they do that well thankfully donkey kong junior math twitter

[00:45:53] will finally calm down and be placated I know mock writer's probably the most interesting well no I mean obviously the the the rare stuff but uh yeah but as the nintendo stuff

[00:46:05] mock writer for sure I've been saying that since the beginning yeah I honestly thought it was there until you pointed out it wasn't yeah it has never been there anyway that that's been our breaking news play that sound one more time

[00:46:22] oh hell yeah fuck we're a good podcast fuck yeah this is this is high production right here okay you're not gonna get this shit from who should I talk shit about you're not gonna get this

[00:46:33] shit from a giant bomb I don't know how much breaking news do you think a fine time for healing gets someone taking their tea cup and like stirring like the tink tink tink as you like hit the

[00:46:53] hit the spoon around yeah stirring your your sugar um I become a sugar in hot tea guy recently I used to just drink it straight but I just like a little bit not like a ton just like a

[00:47:05] little dash of sugar the people at home can't tell because we're in audio format but I'm not giving Andre eye contact at this moment you are yeah I'm I'm with Steve sorry man I like coffee all

[00:47:18] fucking load to the nines with all sorts of sweeteners and hazelnutty caramelie frappe type shit but tea to me just feels like it needs to be tea this is a this is a two americas moment

[00:47:30] right now but that's okay we'll we'll move on we'll we'll have a good uh fourth of july so limited run games had their showcase called l rg3 steve is that the actual name of the show

[00:47:43] l rg3 or is that like an abbreviation you put in these here notes okay it was called this from the time when they aired this adjacent to e3 remember when e3 was a thing that happened during

[00:47:56] the week oh so it's like a pun on e3 yeah and usually on like forms and things like posters they'd have limited run game showcase on the bottom but l rg3 he was snappier on social media and

[00:48:13] that would be what stuck well one e3 isn't a thing too i didn't even realize it's such a bad joke that i didn't even realize that's what they were going for well yeah you need to have your abbreviated

[00:48:28] name and an e to make that work yes yes exactly well all their shows were all faux e3 conferences like that was their shtick and then e3 stopped existing but they never stopped doing

[00:48:40] one just three give it up guys call it something else next year anyway i want to talk about a number of things in the showcase because i think they're interesting or that i just you know i have

[00:48:52] a bunch of points okay i have thoughts steve has thoughts as well so we're just going to go through them kevin might just sit in peanut gallery s while we do this so um let's start with pro i think

[00:49:04] what they let off with is fighting force collection right and so i watch a lot of matpik muscles i think you do as well steve and about a year ago he did a video on fighting force and i looked in the

[00:49:19] comments hoping to find some quality dunks on fighting force and instead i found a bunch of people saying how much they love this game oh man i i love that fighting force i was shocked how

[00:49:34] could anyone like this crap this game was a fucking joke when it came out like like what happened at well you know what i know what happened really and i'll give you guys one guess kevin you

[00:49:48] want to guess what happened yeah um the three of the characters names were hawk mace and smasher and i think those are such cool names that's why people like this game what do you what do you

[00:50:04] think steve i think it was the only game in town as far as beat-em-ups were concerned on your playstation in nintendo 64 in north america and well this is all we got for an entire generation so

[00:50:19] i i yes and someone pointed that out to me on blue sky recently and i'm like bro yeah but it's so bad these games are terrible they're terrible don't don't play them they're so bad we have

[00:50:33] better standards than that as you and me beat them up aficionados do not do this to yourself i promise it's not worth it the announced wolfenstein 2 is coming out on switch full with the full game

[00:50:46] on the card and like yeah exactly my reaction exactly i'm sorry to be rude but if any of you out there buy this you deserve everything that happens to you like please make better life choices

[00:51:02] than this okay guys before the time i splurged on a playstation 5 i bought the switch port where i had to get the download it actually is good on there i won't say that but if you really need

[00:51:15] to download after the servers go down i'll hook you up it's one of those neat things the switch does i could send you the updated version of the nine gigs you're missing you can come over

[00:51:24] i'll make burgers we'll have a good time we'll have a fine time i'll give you whatever download you need don't buy this that is literally did not know that was the thing that you can

[00:51:34] you can get like updates from other consoles without the internet yes local yes wow yeah i had no idea that's super fucking cool yeah i discovered that during um i think it was 2019 uh springish when

[00:51:52] a bunch of us friends met up and we all were playing smash at our hotel or river we're staying at in san francisco and yeah i updated everyone else with the instead of trying the hotel

[00:52:02] shitty ass wi-fi like i updated everyone else from my switch yeah it was weird but it works that's fucking sweet you never you never see the people on twitter who are using hashtag preservation 14 times a day talk about stuff like that no hashtag retro gaming they don't

[00:52:16] even know that should exist i bet um okay so here's one thing i wanted to mention because they announced something called gimmick 2 and for the uninitiated gimmick is a sunsoft game

[00:52:31] for famicom in from 1992 so a late era eight bit game never came here until recently i want to say steve a few months ago was released on everything finally here like yeah like late last year early

[00:52:44] this year i finally came out to america and everywhere else yeah and i've never played it but it's considered one of those golden age sunsoft games that's like really highly regarded so there's that but there was a recent controversy about the announcement of this sequel so apparently

[00:53:01] tomomi sakai the original creator of gimmick didn't know there was going to be a sequel either apparently he found out the same time the rest of us did during the showcase so he tweeted the

[00:53:13] following quote i've been receiving messages about the sequel to gimmick while i'm honored that the original game continues to inspire i want to clarify i wasn't involved in developing gimmick 2 the news of this project was a surprise to me as well thank you for your support in quote

[00:53:30] this led to like a lot of people being mad about this for some reason and then bitwave games the publishers if you will or maybe even developers of this new gimmick made the

[00:53:41] following statement quote to clear the air we own apology to tomomi sakai when we license the ip for gimmick we failed to connect with its original creator we deeply respect tomomi sakai's work

[00:53:53] gimmick 2 would not exist without him in hindsight we should have done better much love green heart emoji in quote can someone please god explain to me what the problem is here is there some

[00:54:07] sort of like cultural thing here in japan that i'm not aware of that people are violating and even if there is why are a bunch of white zoomers on twitter mad about this in the comments you guys

[00:54:18] don't give a fuck like what what the hell is going on steve someone tell me you might have nailed it already because i know in nintendo country where this might still be the case

[00:54:32] there was an unspoken rule that came up when kid ikaris uprising was being made where sakurai needed to get the blessing of its original creator the thing there is that he left nintendo

[00:54:44] forever ago to teach math the thing that he was looking to do all along he was just happened to be at nintendo and he took a greek class like hey kid ikaris the thing is with sunsoft being

[00:54:58] back i really don't see the problem here so like you just said maybe this is just a custom like over there when did they didn't follow in this case but at the same time what why are the white

[00:55:09] zoomers uh going into a fake outrage about this i i just don't know it is it will always mystify me why when people get mad on the internet about things they don't care about that will always

[00:55:23] always make news on this show because i will just i won't understand so they showed beyond good and evil 20th anniversary edition i think this is now out digitally because i've been seeing

[00:55:38] footage of it and the performance on switch baby oh unacceptable uh it ran at 60 on gamecube and actually looked better than this current version in my opinion and let's face it the reason why they

[00:55:54] keep getting away with this type of shit is because people lap it up oh yes i can play beyond good and evil on the go on this nido game card that i got how about care about yourself like a little

[00:56:06] bit and don't do this care about yourself one time yeah i'm definitely caring myself about this one time because i'm like oh well i saw this i'm like oh they're they're making a game card i

[00:56:17] guess they don't want it to be uh 20 in two months so they'll make limited run to it but then i saw the switch footage after i'm like oh no oh no this was on gamecube and it was pretty good back

[00:56:29] why why is it like this right now no it looks rough it's missing like even the particle effects and stuff it's it's it does not look good get this on any other system guys not not

[00:56:41] that one lolly pop chainsaw re popped was shown and re pop re popped i think it's re pop but but everything it insists on being re popped every time i type in it um okay so tell me about

[00:56:59] you seem to know more about the development history of this steve because when it was announced i was like this looks like shit and i just kind of wrote it off okay i because i had to do more

[00:57:08] research myself a while ago they announced a full blown remake with none of the original people involved you remember that part right and we were all like well that's no fucking good

[00:57:20] like almost a year ago they very quietly announced a pivot to okay we're just gonna do a remake a remaster of the original game for modern platforms please don't yell at us anymore

[00:57:33] and then that's how much of a disaster that initial reveal was that i honestly thought both of these were separate projects like they're doing repop and there's still this rem this bad idea of a

[00:57:44] remake coming i didn't know they pivoted until i looked into this yeah i i'm glad they did because this looked a lot better than that soulless crap we saw because like i wasn't by

[00:57:57] i know this term is overused nowadays but honestly it looked like someone put lolly pop chainsaw into like an ai generator and spat out like here's lolly pop and that's what it looked like it looks so

[00:58:08] soulless so machine generated just crap i was like this is not lolly pop chainsaw i don't know what this is and yeah all the life squeezed out of it that version so i'm ready now that

[00:58:20] i'm into this now that it looks somewhat good kevin yeah i mean i thought this looked cool too it's just unfortunately um this kind of game is not acceptable to wives so i don't want to get

[00:58:35] the side you know kevin you guys will review the two of these if it's passable there is a switch version coming i'm pretty sure i saw the cover for it you think you could hide that around

[00:58:49] like in handheld you you'd think so but then you get caught and you get all sorts of accusations flying and it's bad news yeah you might just want to you might just want to stay away

[00:58:58] from the lolly pop chainsaw just for you we will tell you how good this repop is when we get to okay when you guys are playing this i'll play snake pass okay snake pass

[00:59:13] was that the game where you're literally like a snake it looks like a rare rare snake and you have to like bend yourself around like objects yeah it was like it was like a like i don't

[00:59:26] know if it came out on launch day but it was a very early switch digital yeah it was like one of the like few games you could get on the on the i played that shit that was fun that was really fun

[00:59:37] i thought about playing it it looks interesting it was fun yeah i completely forgot god damn i played that entire game too shit i forgot about it damn yeah that's a good one you you will enjoy snake

[00:59:50] pass for sure yeah and i won't get in trouble for playing snake pass so then they showed geck's trilogy which i feel like they announced a long time ago i thought this was been out they closed the show

[01:00:03] with it last year with a teaser they didn't show any footage though um i will commemorate this geck's trilogy by now reading the content morning that crystal dynamics put in front of the tomb raider trilogy earlier this year the games in this collection contain offensive

[01:00:24] depictions of people and cultures rooted in racial and ethnic prejudices these stereotypes are deeply harmful inexcusable and do not align with our values at crystal dynamics rather than removing this content we have chosen to present it here in its original form unaltered in the hopes

[01:00:41] that we may acknowledge its harmful impact and learn from it end quote uh steve they're gonna have to put that shit again at the beginning of geck's because i tell you what with you i've never

[01:00:54] properly played through a geck's so i'll bite and piss myself off in good time with these whenever this comes out uh there's some i'll put it this way there's some asian jokes

[01:01:05] especially in the first game that i even thought were like whoa what what is this when i was what 13 or whatever i thought that at the time so i can't even imagine now kevin i played i played deep cover

[01:01:20] gecko but i also played it on gameboy color um so i don't think there was any like i don't think that's the same of course he did how lucky i was wondering because i like i think this looks good how um andre having played this uh

[01:01:35] or played some of these games before how well do you think that the 3d entries are gonna hold up in 2024 is it gonna wear thin quickly i don't think so i think those will i think they'll play just

[01:01:47] as fine as they ever did i don't think they were ever like great or anything they're good i think but nothing like spectacular and i think they will play just as they ever did

[01:02:00] steve i'll see when i get there they i i guess they announced uh tombah's back i guess it looks like a street port which i don't know it doesn't look very enhanced i guess tombah two eventually

[01:02:14] and i don't know steve you are you into the tombah well i was gonna ask you that because i never played at tombah i had you know i had nintendo 64 it was one choice as a kid you got

[01:02:25] to pick one and no one else and no one in playstation and and no one in playstation land had tombah at all so yeah you know why because nobody really gave a shit despite what people

[01:02:39] will tell you now like i mean it's it's fine tombah's fine i'm not afraid to say it it is okay just like just like the clenoa people guys it's fine that's it um look it is good that

[01:02:53] the stuff is being re-released i think that is always is a good thing but i don't think you should be like pursuing this oh man i'm gonna play this ps1 classic it's totally fine you don't you don't

[01:03:07] need a limited run game physical of this no you do not need this on a game card or whatever i don't know why i keep putting this in the realm of switch maybe because i think those are the people

[01:03:17] dumb enough to like buy like you know like beyond good and evil on a like the crappy version on a game card i don't know why i keep i would have bought a good version on a game card but no we

[01:03:28] have to make shit um there there is a do you got anything else from the show that you want to talk about real quick as we wrap this up you already talked about a few but there were a

[01:03:41] things towards the end they had from the carbon engine section that they've been tacking on to the end here starting with ninja 50 you might remember back in february me and andre were on here without

[01:03:54] kevin talking about when uh ijn was doing a thing and limited run was there showing off their big carbon engine dick with rocket night adventures and felix the cat and they're like we got one more

[01:04:06] kanami game coming in a month they're like oh and we were guessing what it was and we were completely wrong it was ninja 50 a gameboy advanced game that's very expensive on ebay well i'll i'll i'll

[01:04:18] give it a try but uh ninja 50 always always makes the youtube like top hidden gems on gameboy advanced lists um and i've tried it i i i don't get it i don't see i don't know i'll be steve you play

[01:04:34] it and we'll see what you think because i i don't understand why it's hitting all these hidden gems lists yeah i i've never played it i just remember getting like good reviews on sites back in the day

[01:04:44] and that's the only reason why i even know of it so i don't know man again we'll find out just but something i'm probably gonna find out about sooner because this i did buy the game card for

[01:04:55] because i'm a sucker clock tower rewind they showed this off a bit last year they showed off more of it this year because guys i even though we do a lot of shit talking about way

[01:05:06] forward around here i want to believe that they are able to just fucking port something using an engine that already exists mostly because they have already done this with shantae on gameboy color and other things i did play shantae on gameboy color on switch last summer it wasn't

[01:05:27] my favorite game but they know how the it was a fine port they know what i'd like to they know what they're doing with the engine i'm i'm you say so yeah i'm sitting here saying this

[01:05:37] because it would be great to play this super nintendo version in english just just me i would like to i just don't see the thing is i'm hesitating because i really do not like hide

[01:05:49] and seek horror gameplay you know that so and that's what this game is and i really don't like it's beautiful and i kind of want to experience it but i know it's just gonna piss

[01:05:58] me off so i genuinely thought you were gonna you were gonna end that by saying i really do not like way forward well we all know that already i was gonna say i was gonna say way forward cannot

[01:06:10] change what the game is i don't know they they could go into their working designs era then they closed very similar to how they did the geck's trailer last year but with a bubsi collection the perfect collection get it because he's a cat anyway

[01:06:31] and oh my god you people just want to see me suffer don't you through playing bubsi games although to be more serious could you imagine these assholes doing all of the old bubsi games because bubsi 2 came out on gameboy and fractured fairy tales

[01:06:50] is a was a jaguar exclusive something that as you may recall with atari 50 they finally figured out how to do you know in the biz so i can these games are trash man yeah i don't is it just like

[01:07:08] is it just like a meme thing now like people were just gonna oh it's bubsi like it's just that's kind of what i thought i though like i feel like in 2024 bubsi is most known for like

[01:07:17] you know being on angry video game nerd and like like being joked about on youtube so how much value is there in actually doing a collection like that and they were trashed at the time too it's not like

[01:07:29] this is a retrospective thing nobody liked them then people don't like them now but somehow this persists oh i'm gonna put myself through it because i'm on a game podcast with my friends

[01:07:41] but uh yuck i just wanted to say overall for this show um just a follow-up from last episode i was talking about um game trailers specifically with summer game fest um and i i don't care about

[01:07:56] like specifically physical limited run games i don't collect any of those but i did think the trailers in this presentation were really well done um the the overall show was it was a

[01:08:06] very easy watch i was saying that i fucking felt like summer game fest was a slog this was because there was lots of gameplay it's it's not all gameplay but the trailers just seemed

[01:08:15] well cut and well paced um and also i was surprised you guys didn't throw toxic crusaders on on the list i made that a last minute edition but i thought that looked fucking

[01:08:24] awesome they didn't look bad i just didn't really have anything to say about it well it looked fine i was more for uh jane silent bob but i need to play that other one too first

[01:08:34] there a little second fine time broadcasting worldwide okay so last week i gotta talk about this because this was insane to me and i just want to know if you guys receive this the way i did so

[01:09:04] last week kanami put out a presentation called metal gear production hotline 01 which can only assume this is going to be a series if it says that about what's been going on

[01:09:16] with metal gear solid delta which is the metal gear solid three remake and fan responses to it so far and when i say responses i really mean fan responses because they were showing good comments and some bad comments along with them and really scathing stuff and they read

[01:09:38] them on the air they just read them the bad comments included things like and i quote metal gear is dead and you killed it you guys can't even do a remaster right probably is probably

[01:09:52] talking about the metal gear solid like the classic stuff from last year which is true bugs that impact gameplay should have been fixed before release and the last one they read you'll probably do a bad job on the next game so i'd rather you just give up

[01:10:11] what the fuck they read these and the mc was like reading some of the negative comments was a bit tough it must be hard to hear such criticism she said the producer on the panel

[01:10:24] and the producer responded and i'll quote some of it is tough but if this is how the fans feel i don't blame them for sharing their honest opinions and while we aren't able to

[01:10:36] individually speak to all those concerns i want to first of all assure everyone that we are listening we pay attention to feedback and we take it seriously end quote guys is this just me or is

[01:10:50] this one of the weirdest things ever in this type of presentation like that's insane imagine this in a nintendo direct seriously imagine if nintendo got up there and read like comments about metroid prime 4 oh you this is never coming out i bet this is on switch too

[01:11:07] oh you guys will just fuck it up anyway imagine if they read those like that's how i receive this i just couldn't believe it steve i i couldn't believe it there is only one way i could see

[01:11:20] reading bad famil is good and that would be if you did a whole meta kind of presentation went oh yeah and then you showed off a really bad ass metal gear solid delta trailer and then followed it with an announcement saying the metal gear solid two

[01:11:36] collections coming real soon you guys but as you may recall none of those things happen there so what are you guys doing out there i don't know kevin kevin is that insane like i can't

[01:11:52] imagine go ahead i i literally just tried to like figure out what the thought process was behind it and and i can't even like make an educated guess i don't think i don't think it

[01:12:03] like necessarily hurts them they obviously made an intentional choice to do that but i don't think that builds any good will like i feel like you know it would have served the exact same purpose to say we've noticed a lot of critical feedback to this project online

[01:12:17] we want to assure fans that we've considered that during development right like that that achieves the same effect but why why you know especially ones that are just like so i'd

[01:12:28] rather you just give up what what's what is the what is the like because i mean these these presentations aren't like done like one guy sitting down with a notepad people sit and discuss the format of these things what was that conversation looked like when somebody like

[01:12:45] pitched hey i seen this guy called us filthy pieces of shit on the internet do you guys want to just like bring that up on the show yeah it's one thing if you make a bit about it like you know

[01:12:56] jimmy kimmel's mean tweets or something like that right but like if you if you don't like i just i don't know man for this type of presentation that just felt like yo i i guess

[01:13:07] maybe the only thing i can think of is like maybe they just kanami whoever's there still wants to be taken seriously again as like a games company because we haven't done that in like 15 years

[01:13:22] so that's that's all i got man and that's just so tenuous but i don't think this is the way to do it so all of this was part of a segment called ask the metal gear team in which they took

[01:13:37] questions submitted from the audience and the very first question was a doozy and it was is there any chance the original staff members will return to work on co-develop or supervise

[01:13:51] any of the metal gear series and the same producer answered while it's not my place to answer on behalf of anyone outside the company or to guess how they might feel about it but for just

[01:14:02] speaking for myself personally i'd like nothing better than to work with kojima san and the rest of the team again if that could happen that would be the dream what in the world you guys you

[01:14:19] guys remember like 10 years ago right the mess at the game awards where he wasn't even allowed to accept his award because kanami said he couldn't and he tweeted just thank you very much

[01:14:31] in english to twitter and it got like a literally a million retweets because everyone's just so you guys remember that right why in the world would he even speak kanami's name again i can't even believe

[01:14:44] this guy said that but steve what what in the world well if i was running this segment and i saw that question i would have you know not read it aloud on the air or answered it and if i did

[01:14:58] read it aloud on the air i certainly wouldn't have answered it like this because guys remember how a few months ago kojima came on and said he's making not metal gear for sony fizzant yep he fizzant yep

[01:15:14] he's not coming back guys people are gonna in invariably compare fizzant to delta i in a just world both games should kick as much ass as possible but what are you guys doing

[01:15:35] i don't know i was perplexed i'm okay i'm so glad you're with me on this i was afraid of doing this segment and you were just gonna be like well i don't know he just wants to work with you

[01:15:46] you know kojima because it's america day when we're uploading this i want to believe that they can somehow get their head out of their ass and you know make the best metal gear without kajima

[01:16:01] productions that they can but you know holy shit yeah i i i don't really have anything else to say i just i just needed the cathartic release of like this was bonkers and i need to talk you

[01:16:14] know it's like it's like when you have work gossip but you just need to tell somebody they don't even work with you or even really care that much you just need to you need to say it

[01:16:23] you know and that's how i felt doing this segment so that's i feel better i weight off my shoulders now well we can we can eagerly look forward to a segment when when we get metal

[01:16:35] gear production hotline number two oh my god now i'm definitely going to be watching that because i want to see what other shitty comments they read and these were um this was a japanese presentation

[01:16:46] by the way so these these comments were translated from japanese so man y'all are y'all are vicious i tell you what uh people worldwide are vicious about metal gear hey guys if you're listening

[01:17:11] to us you know on the day we updated thanks that means a lot to us did you leave us that review that andre said to you know that that'd be great of you anyway that also means it's the

[01:17:22] fourth of july and you might be at a barbecue right now and you might need some help uh maybe it's a barbecue of your own and you really need something to go be you know go along with those burgers and

[01:17:34] dogs but so don't worry uncle steve's gonna help you out because in the next minute or two he's gonna tell you how to impress all your friends by grilling a pineapple oh yeah right

[01:17:47] it don't worry it's not it's not that hard at all but we are gonna need to go to the store and get a real pineapple we can't use the can or the thing that's kept in uh water or uh syrup that that is

[01:18:00] not going to help us here that that is much too wet it is going to slip through the grates and it's gonna no no no we need a fresh pineapple and you are gonna cut that sucker into

[01:18:11] circles you know that those uh you know visually appealing circles and you're gonna cover them in melted butter and hot sauce if you're serving it along with your meal or without hot sauce if

[01:18:24] you're not or you know don't listen to me maybe you want that spicy dessert because it all goes well with the whipped cream at the end go do that but either way once you uh cover it on with your

[01:18:35] butter you're gonna put it on a real hot grill and depending on how thick you cut these circles you're gonna want to grill it on each side like a burger for about five to ten minutes again

[01:18:48] depending on how thick you cut these circles turn it around you want to see those nice grill marks it'll be uh you know a nice brownish yellowish color where except for where the

[01:18:58] black grill marks are and everyone will just be real impressed oh how exotic you grilled a fruit for us this year that oh that fourth of your life eat it with your meal here with dessert like

[01:19:11] get your favorite whipped topping maybe maybe a cool whip depending on where you are give it a try tell tell them fine time sent you that that's gonna mean anything but you know go do it

[01:19:23] I say fuck yeah I second that we grilled pineapple a couple years ago and we did the butter and we also put brown sugar and we served it with coconut whipped cream and cherries and it

[01:19:32] was awesome that sounds so good I don't even really like pineapple that much you guys know I feel about cooked fruit but I think I would definitely try a grilled pineapple with some melted butter how

[01:19:42] could I really say no in fact I think we we're gonna do place your bets in a second but I think I need a snack first I'll be right back fine time

[01:20:17] all right we're back I didn't really have any good snacks so I just have a Pepsi for now but that'll tide me over while we finish up place your bets to in the show Kevin

[01:20:30] all right do you guys like you guys like bets and places yes and fake money to bet on bet with okay so a quick recap of where we are at going in this week

[01:20:45] Andre has $1100 I have to update Steve Steve is currently sitting at minus one dollar actually earned himself an extra $500 from playing balance so I've updated that and Steve you're oh yeah yeah okay so Steve you are at 499 I am at 500 so you are still ever so slightly losing

[01:21:11] despite having played balance I'm sorry you couldn't give him $501 well no that was that was agreed upon amount he he bet so he got to minus one and he got $500 back this is so this isn't me being manipulative what if he compliments you right now for a dollar

[01:21:27] I'm I am what you work at a casino if somebody goes up and compliments you will you let them win a gambling game I mean if I could should I be so rich god if I could if I knew how to do that oh my

[01:21:41] god forget I can't I man I work for the house I'll get my fucking legs broken if Steve gets it okay fine all right so um bets that ended at the end of June Steve had Tommy Talarico is involved in some sort

[01:22:00] of public scandal whether it is something new or something that just came to light which did not happen I did some googling I haven't seen anything uh I mean from I mean most people would consider

[01:22:12] having to sell his house and losing his car as a scandal you know but I guess in fine time measurements that's not the case uh no he needs to like I don't know but some kiddie didn't know

[01:22:27] about Nisa show up like some 16 year old Nisa show up on his doorstep or something like that yeah there was there was news that he was selling his house but I think for all of the

[01:22:36] Tommy Talarico news we've had in the past there's definitely like a line that delineates what a scandal is and he's gone over that line numerous times yeah I don't think selling his house is a scandal

[01:22:49] yeah me neither man sorry Steve so Steve put $50 on that so Steve Steve is gonna lose his $50 um Andre like a dipshit did not put any money on pro models of either PS5 or Xbox Series X or

[01:23:06] an ounce I gave him three to one odds put zero dollars uh no money dumb I I I'm I don't know why I was so confident too you remember guys I was I was sure I was confident yeah but I don't remember

[01:23:20] why it was now well I was confident because they were saying well we're halfway through the PlayStation five life cycle that wasn't really my basis I was just thinking like I don't I don't know man

[01:23:35] I don't know what I was thinking but apparently it was the wrong thing and I feel like that so we put these we did these bets in January of this year I feel around that time like there was like

[01:23:44] regular you know rumors popping up about pro consoles so it was it was definitely like in the ether there was but I just didn't there wasn't anything like from a source that I really wanted

[01:23:57] to trust I guess because you always hear that type of shit but I just wasn't really interested but I guess I should have I should have thrown 100 bucks at it I had money to spare I should have thrown

[01:24:06] a little yeah but I did five to one odds yeah I mean I should have done it oh no sorry three to one odds three to one I had I had five to one odds last time um for a long shot bet

[01:24:17] there's legitimate news or rumors that Sony attempts to purchase Square Enix which I did not hear those those rumors I only put 25 dollars in so I guess well uh I will I will be a loser this week as well

[01:24:31] you know I thought you really had a puncher's chance at that though I honestly wouldn't have been surprised to hear that kind of thing yeah I think just to just hot off all the Microsoft

[01:24:40] acquisitions it seemed like there was I mean whether like it seemed like there was at least going to be like some like even if it was bullshit rumors that that would have been discussed well

[01:24:50] think about all the Square stuff in the last couple months how how rebirth performed shitty because they didn't promote it and like all the all the type of shit oh we're not doing this type of

[01:24:59] game in that type of game anymore we talked about it on the show so it's like yeah I you know who knows maybe that's one that we should we should bring back from the dead sometime

[01:25:11] um okay so bets that resolve at the end of September just for a quick refresher uh Steve had Microsoft publicly announces the rumor rumored handheld we've been hearing about which he put

[01:25:23] zero dollars on for two to one odds unless we're counting Andre had 1.5 to one odds because this was I thought this was a pretty good bet uh Microsoft announces a new Gears of War title at

[01:25:39] not e3 2024 sometime this summer and he put 300 on it so yeah he doesn't get he doesn't get that money yet but it's it's obviously a win and I had two to one odds for Nintendo speaks about the development

[01:25:55] status of Metroid Prime 4 in some form and I put a hundred hundred and ten dollars on there which I should have put 50 million dollars on there so they did more than speak about it

[01:26:06] tell you that much so but I I thought for sure so if you'd given that to me that would have been a zero so yeah I've you you made good on that yeah so now Steve has been hesitant to bet lately um

[01:26:22] I think because he knew the ballon was coming and and I don't know I want to I want to spur Steve back into betting uh Steve I've given you six to one odds for your new bet this month

[01:26:35] six to one odds so you could clean house now and and we have previously discussed this and acknowledged that the chance of this happening is not zero Steve your bet for for today is the

[01:26:49] switch's successor official name includes the term super six to one odd does it need to be super switch or super Nintendo switch it needs to have super in the name oh my god I don't like those

[01:27:08] odds Kevin but because it's something you're like six to one odds no no I mean what do you want for me because it's been my joke forever well everyone's joke really uh I I gotta put down the

[01:27:23] gotta believe bet of 25 dollars you got it but I'm just saying if you dropped 100 bucks you could walk away with $200 you could be like you would be close you would be you would be winning

[01:27:41] you or you would be tied with Andre if you put a hundred bucks on there and one I'm just saying hold on Steve say say say your bet amount again 25 dollars there he locked it in we're locked it in

[01:28:03] Andre you've got three to one odds and your bet came from last episode where we had a discussion about Star Wars Outlaws being um compared unfavorably to uncharted golden abyss

[01:28:18] which which we got a laugh out of so Star Star Wars Outlaws is currently slated for an August 30th 2024 release date I'm giving you three to one odds that it slips past that release date and

[01:28:30] doesn't make it oh that's good so I don't okay I don't think it's gonna happen but I'm gonna bet on it because it's it's man so if it were any other company if we're not Ubisoft I wouldn't touch this

[01:28:53] but they delayed Skull and Bones for an entire year when it was what three four weeks from coming out so and I mean public perception wise like this game around Summer Games Fest

[01:29:09] got fucking slandered big time online so maybe it even like helps pushing sales of the game by saying you know we acknowledge it we're going to give it some more time in the oven yeah

[01:29:21] yeah this kind of depends on how deep see we don't know this but it depends on how deep massive entertainment is into Division 3 because they announced that that's a thing

[01:29:32] we know that they're making it but do they have time to if this bet was thrown at me I'd say $25 I want to do let's do 50 let's do 50 bucks I'll do 50 bucks I'll do a 10-ative 50 dollars

[01:29:50] yeah I you guys need to you guys need to live a little hey I put what did I put on I used to once then I played Ballad Wonderworld so yeah Steve used to live a lot yeah so okay we also recently spoke about a vowed which

[01:30:11] you guys seem like you're a little a little bit damp on not maybe damp you guys are we're not as into a vowed as I am I think about looks cool and I believe that a vowed is going to get over 85%

[01:30:26] on Metacritic specifically I think that's an interesting number because of the the history with Fallout New Vegas and not getting their like bonus that was contingent on Obsidian hitting 85 on Metacritic they hit 84 on Metacritic and did not get a bonus out of that so I am

[01:30:45] going to say that a vowed gets over 85% on Metacritic so you guys can pick odds on that do you think that's a good chance or am I am I shooting too high well Steve what let's start here

[01:30:58] do you think it's going to get over 85 on Metacritic because my answer is no I think you're looking at New Vegas again where grazes it with those hot those you know early 80s but okay so you so you were both in agreement on no it won't get over 85

[01:31:19] yes so from there how should we set these odds for him because it's different if we think it's going over right but if we think it's going under I feel like 10 to

[01:31:33] one I'll give them it might feel a little generous I think he should get at least three three because I don't think it's happening I mean we could say four if you really want to try and

[01:31:46] juice them right here because I really I'm with you I'm seeing like 82 83 situation why don't we say four to one because it's going to be 84 on okay all right Kevin four to one odd

[01:32:01] four to one I was I legitimately was expecting three to one and I already had it in my head I'm going to put $100 on three to one odds that's four to one but four to one odds

[01:32:13] should that really change what I'm betting does it make me any more confident with my money yes the answer is yes okay I have okay let me let me think about this I've 400 oh okay so after

[01:32:32] the bets have resolved I'm at 475 and I also have okay I only have the potential to lose $25 next time yeah four to one I could I could uh I'm putting $250 on it okay lock it in

[01:32:53] I'm not I'm not 100 confident but yeah I think there's a good chance that that happens okay yeah I I don't and that's why I think four to one is appropriate I will be really surprised if it

[01:33:17] gets a kind of critical reception and I could take away 750 bucks in my pocket out of that here's how I here's how I'm thinking I think it's going to be a not a game for everybody so I think like it'll

[01:33:31] get some really good reviews but I think some people will be like eh kind of like the like the Dark Soul stuff right we're not everyone's into that shit so it's just never gonna get

[01:33:41] like universal praise so I don't know but yeah if you lose this one this is putting you closer to playing the entirety of Golem or something so I just I mean I think the Outer Worlds reviewed

[01:33:57] very well if I remember right so that's kind of that's kind of what I'm let's let's see out of curiosity before we go what is the outer world sitting out on Metacritic okay let me guess

[01:34:08] let's guess um I'm gonna say 80 I'm gonna put in the same range 84 I'll say 80 80 I'm gonna say 87 okay okay let's see the Outer Worlds Metacritic it's sitting at 85 oh damn okay that's juicy that's really good okay that's very good for

[01:34:37] purposes yeah so I think it'll just get under so yeah we'll see we'll see this is gonna be a good one all right you're not gonna you're not gonna juice it like see a stars or whatever you tried to do

[01:34:51] before there's only xbox and pc there's not a lot of juice that he can do well I mean yeah this is this is on the ps4 because I know they do have for different systems there's

[01:35:01] different uh Metacritic scores so I mean if we're talking at like summer sitting at 84 and summer sitting at 85 we're going to have to do a spreadsheet with some math I think yeah for sure

[01:35:11] we'll just I can't just walk away my $250 we'll have to average them out but yeah whenever the ps5 version of a vow comes out in 2027 we'll add it to the oh no already be sitting at the

[01:35:25] high rollers table with my thousand dollars at that point you're we'll see that's that's a juicy one I'm okay so great bets this time we're gonna get the hell out of here though it is hot in this place

[01:35:36] I need to turn on this ac I need to have some dinner thanks for listening everybody follow us on social media check the description of this podcast to find those links and we'll see you next time bye

[01:35:57] I'm gonna turn on this ac for a second I need okay we'll take a turn okay did you say he was gonna go take a turd is that what I heard that's it I can't that's what I heard too

[01:36:21] but I didn't I don't know I don't I'm always I'm always the immature one saying that I heard stuff that somebody didn't say and I saw I just shut the fuck up about it I'll put this at the end of the episode

[01:36:31] so people can make the judgment for themselves what else did he but what else would he have said like what sounds like turd I don't take a turn turn yeah I don't know I don't know

[01:36:44] I don't know I'm gonna I kind of hope he comes back and he's just sits down and says oh that was a great shit I feel vindicated yeah I mean he's been gone long enough I mean might be unless he appears pretty

[01:37:05] soon I'm gonna assume that's what's going on