The 3DO Experience - Episode 45: Bill And Thrak Chat: 2K5

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[00:00:31] Hello everybody and welcome back to the 3DO Experience, the 3DO Retrospective Podcast where we talk about all things 3DO, 3DO Console Company and everything in between. Except on this episode where we're going to bullshit a little bit because golf games take a lot of time.

[00:00:49] So I'm Bill and this is Thrak, how you doing, Greg? We have like six of these games to play or something like that. Was it five or six? I'm staring at them. I have, I'm counting five.

[00:01:02] Yeah, it took me two hours to do one round of golf on the PGA Tor 1. So I was like, oh no, this is going to be one of these. Yeah, I've played some of these already but my research for the show will be done later.

[00:01:15] But I did get this in the mail which will probably be a game we do soon. Oh nice. So for our audience, it's Zadnos, the people's party. So to round out the trilogy of game show games.

[00:01:30] Yeah, which can so we'll be covering that probably after the golf games. Probably. I mean, I've been meaning to, I've been wanted to play that one for a while because everyone like says it's the best of the three.

[00:01:41] Yeah, I mean, it looks like it came from you know, the USSR. So it's got to be the best one. See, I shared that around all the discord and like my favorite was all the people that just posted like what the fuck is that?

[00:01:53] And then I'm just like, like it's 3D. What else can you expect? Exactly exactly. So yeah, it's, it's just going to be a bullshit episode because there's a lot of golf and I think we're both kind of busy.

[00:02:07] I got, I got family staying in this week and probably next week. They're not leaving till after four. So, so I'm, I mean, I'm still able to do a lot of my normal stuff.

[00:02:19] But you know how it is. So today, I guess they've been at the amusement park all day. That's fun. So my guess is there'll be back. Yeah, they might be back when I'm recording but they're not going to barge in or anything like that. Yeah, I took, yeah.

[00:02:34] At least I hope not otherwise they might get real interesting later. Yeah, I took yesterday off because I just, so apparently because all the two other machinists where I work took the entire fourth of July week off

[00:02:48] and I was late to the punch. I'm not able to take any days off next week. So I took one off this week. So yeah, you got to do what you got to do. See, I don't mind working holidays because usually it just means I get more money.

[00:03:01] Yeah, um, I mean, I'll have like the fourth and then like the Friday off. So I'm only at the work three days next week. So it'll be a four day weekend, which isn't too bad.

[00:03:12] Sounds good. Sounds good. So let's see. Oh, what you've been, maybe been playing anything Bill. We could talk some video games. Yeah. Um, so I'm still messing around with like my usuals. Like I'm still playing persona forgo. Just every now and then running board.

[00:03:30] I've been loving the shit out of the Mario 1000 year door remake. That's that has been excellent. It is honestly such a nice way to play that game now. I agree. I've been on that. I've been on more of, I'm trying to catch up on anime like this week.

[00:03:48] It was like for a for a for G and C we do a year end like anime like roundtable of like all the shows we watched and I don't want to be the guy with the smallest list.

[00:03:59] So I've been trying to knock a few out over these couple weeks, but yeah, it's been all right.

[00:04:07] I've been on a CD by in kick actually lately. That's been my big thing is like, I don't know, I'm getting into CDs again and I got in the mail today. I got filters new album. So that's cool. And cool.

[00:04:22] A face to face album because it was cheap. Cool man. Cool cool. So I'm just you know, over here playing this guy, I'm a series axis as normal. I've been working through Doom Eternal. I'm very good, very hard. Very good. Just a crazy thing.

[00:04:45] I impulse bought Dragon Quest 11 on on Xbox digitally. So now I can actually play it. And what's funny is the quick resume like you can never technically pause the game.

[00:04:58] So I just had it kind of in the background right while I was doing other things. And then when I went to save, it's like, oh, you've been playing for 46 hours. It's like, no, I haven't.

[00:05:08] So the, but the the apps like I put like an hour and a half into it. I mean, it's drag West 11. So that's like your persona for I'll just be playing it kind of off and on.

[00:05:17] But because of our friend Aaron from the super pod network he showed an Amazon link for this game that was like on sale. And I figured it was time to finally fight the bullet and that is Sonic Origins plus so it was 20 bucks. The brand new.

[00:05:34] I was like, yeah, why not? So has a slip cover has a nice little art book in the back and oh, that stuff.

[00:05:41] And this is the plus version. So it has like all the extra game year titles and a lot of the extra content and I'm assuming bug fixes because I know people complained about this being like kind of buggy at launch but

[00:05:55] I've beaten one CD and two and I'm almost done with three knuckles and I haven't really run in any major bugs. Did you do American or US American or Japanese soundtrack for CD? Oh, Japanese. See, I like them both for like different reasons but like also.

[00:06:11] Oh, they're real great. I know there's some people that despise the American soundtrack and I get it but like there's some great tracks on that soundtrack.

[00:06:19] Yeah, the Japanese Sonic CD soundtrack sounds like you're in like a club in like 1992 and it's just like fucking thump in the whole time.

[00:06:27] Whereas the American version feels much more chilled out. It's closer to like trying to really use the CD format to get a lot of that red book kind of audio out of it. You know, it might be so they both work but it's kind of like different moods.

[00:06:43] There's like certain tracks that like I think work better on like each version. Like I still think like start a speedway or whatever it's called, I think the American soundtrack is just better like on that one.

[00:06:57] I prefer this special stage music from the American version and I really like what's the water levels name. Yeah, I forget. Whatever the water levels name, I like the American like present music just because it sounds like the fresh prints the interest of reason.

[00:07:14] Yeah, here at now that you mentioned it. Yeah, a little bit but like CDs, it's still not my it's probably my least favorite in the set just because it's surprisingly short if you use blaze through it.

[00:07:26] Well, yeah, you're supposed to you're supposed to like Metro, I'd mean every level and explore every little looking Korean.

[00:07:32] For some of the game. Yeah, I will say the Christian white head version that that is in this collection is miles better than the original Sega CD because they fixed all the clipping and like collision detection problems which is really nice.

[00:07:47] Oh yeah, yeah, the retro engine would have beast. In fact, I think it's on here. Yeah, it's right there retro engine so so they got it did Sega buy it from him. I don't think so well, they it's actually they rebranded it's called the star engine now.

[00:08:05] Okay, so did they buy it from him? No, I think they they've gone fully independent and they're making their own games now. Oh, that's good. That's good because I'm head cannon worked on this who also worked on Mania so.

[00:08:17] Yeah, it works fantastic. Well, they've like all the weird like oh you got to pay extra to see like the islands or whatever like that's not here.

[00:08:26] The game gear titles are good. You have the classic versions of the original games as well as the anniversary editions which are the white screen 60 FPS modes. You were like there's like boss rushes mirror modes, there's like a museum they get rid of lives entirely.

[00:08:40] So yeah, for the anniversary editions and they were placed with like coins that you can either spend as currency in the museum or this is probably the best part in all the games when you're at the special stage if you fail you can spend one of those coins that you're trying to get.

[00:08:58] So here's a fun question in terms of copulations.

[00:09:02] This is arguably the best sonic compilation out there, but I still have a massive soft spot for Sonic Jam and said I feel like see I'll never get the same feeling I got when I got Sonic Mega collection for the game cube.

[00:09:20] Like that was even though I had played a lot of those games before having all of them on one console on one collection for like a modern system was fantastic. And then Mega collection plus on PS2 and Xbox which is even better.

[00:09:37] That was really the compilation I think that settled the whole of these games are classic their timeless right. And we've had say Sonic's ultimate Genesis collection Sega Genesis classics we've had various compilations since then.

[00:09:51] I think the games have been available separately on Steam, but I would argue as far as playing these games this is probably the best.

[00:10:00] I play them now. Genuinely it is because I was thinking I don't know how they would repackage these games again, they'll probably figure out a way how but really if this is kind of all you need because you have.

[00:10:13] Like you can play the old style you can play them in the old style if you prefer that the new modern style just is so faithful to the original games but improves upon everything like they remade the special stages into like the half pipe and it's so much better to do.

[00:10:29] And like the quality of life feature so it's not crazy brutally hard and in some instances even though I beat them just fine as a kid.

[00:10:37] All the extra stuff they add is great my only my only downside is that it's cool that they added in the game gear games, but there's there's one game from this era that has never been ported ever.

[00:10:52] And it would have been perfect to just throw it in here as a bonus. It's a local scalax. Like I don't know why Sega pretends this game doesn't exist. It was rumored to be in Sonic Gems collection.

[00:11:08] When that was coming out there was a lot of games that could have been in there but were omitted and a lot of them should have been in there like, like, no, it's not the best game in the series and it's not. It's a very repetitive life former.

[00:11:25] It has a lot of the issues I think Sonic CD has with like level design and everything but it's part of the history like it introduced us to the Calix gang and it has a fantastic soundtrack. It is like gorgeous looking to deflete formers.

[00:11:41] Oh, amazing and I felt you know if they weren't going to do like a full retro engine remake of it which I think would actually be kind of neat. Even just throwing it in there as a bonus would have helped kind of round it out.

[00:11:53] I think because it that's the issue that some compilations have is that they don't go all in. And it's a but outside of that it's it's a solid compilation now.

[00:12:08] Because there were some technical issues from what I've heard and seen, but those seem to be fixed now because I think had canon made enough of a stink about it to Sega that Sega were willing to fix them to let them fix them.

[00:12:21] So if you can get it for cheap it is well worth getting. So and speaking of re releases, I don't know if you can see it my my my TV might be there. I got the beyond good and evil 20th anniversary.

[00:12:35] Because it was weird they didn't announce that the Ubisoft forward event they announced it later or I think it was in the limited run games thing or whatever. Which I thought was weird it wasn't there right so.

[00:12:48] So when I saw that I was like oh that's cool because they had just de listed the beyond good and evil HD which I assume it was going to be for this.

[00:12:57] And this is they've had a lot they put a lot more work into it from what I know like there's like re texturing done it's like 4k 60 fps they fixed the controls.

[00:13:09] They completely re did the soundtrack I believe there's like cross saves auto saves like all this kind of stuff and apparently there's new content. Relating to beyond good and evil too.

[00:13:21] They said it for the first time in years they they referenced it when they were advertising this and then of course now journalists are like what what's the state of that game and Ubisoft's like we're still working on it. Whatever the hell that means right.

[00:13:38] But it's like this is the most beyond good and evil we've had in quite a long time so and when this was announced they're like oh it's coming out on like Tuesday or whatever which is the day of recording this is when it came out.

[00:13:51] And I was worried about the price because they were touting all of this stuff that they did to it and I was like.

[00:13:58] That sounds worthy to get but you know is it going to be like a 40 50 dollar thing I was afraid of that because I'm like I'm not paying that much for it it's only 20 bucks. Okay, that's fair.

[00:14:10] And so even if they wanted to be cheeky and be like oh 20th anniversary 20 dollars he I doubt that but for 20 bucks I was like you know what might as well. So I haven't played it yet.

[00:14:21] I've actually never really played beyond a good and evil I tried emulating it on dolphin once and it just wouldn't work. It's it's a very hard game to explain like it's a lot of people call it.

[00:14:34] It's not a green ocarina of time right it's it's Zelda like but it's really not Zelda it's it's a weird game it's it's good I think some people put it on a little bit too high of a pedestal sometimes. Because yeah it's hard to explain well I am.

[00:14:54] For from what I've gathered it's one of those games that's. Part of that like being influenced by a carina adventure game style yeah and yeah. I feel like he gets put on a pedestal because.

[00:15:11] It represents like kind of an end of an era for Ubisoft before they went like all in on like Tom Clancy and Assassin's Creed and all this other stuff like it.

[00:15:21] It's it was like the the 20 point where Montelier got overshadowed by Montreal basically yeah basically like like like like this has more connections to Rayman which actually makes sense because the creator of the Rayman series show and he's. Yes, and he's retired I believe.

[00:15:42] Yeah, yeah he's retired and he has some not great stuff surrounding him from what I've heard but so apparently everybody right oh great apparently everybody at Ubisoft does those so.

[00:15:54] Yeah, I've heard rough things about Ubisoft but yeah we have this game it weirdly gets put on a pedestal I think because it represents like this weird. Yeah like transition the period for Ubisoft and it's a series they didn't milk to death.

[00:16:11] You know so it allowed for people to get fondness over it and then when they announced the the the prequel for it. I think I got it I think we all get evil too is announced officially in 2008 I believe.

[00:16:28] And then like it was announced and then I think there was like a trailer to leading up to it but then it was like I think it was E3 2017 when they had the big unveiling like here's like game play here's like a playable demo the whole.

[00:16:44] Works right like it was the big coming out party for it and the reception was not positive for it. No, it didn't look anything like beyond good people it looks like a Ubisoft game which is not what people wanted from beyond good people too.

[00:17:05] Yeah and because of that it went into hiding which is something I've noticed with Ubisoft whenever they get like heavy criticism for projects like this they don't just outright abandon and cancel them.

[00:17:18] They just retreat them in word and try to figure it out before they show it again like what they're doing currently with Prince of Burgess and the time remake which I pray to God doesn't happen that it doesn't get beyond good evil to me it's a remake so I don't know.

[00:17:33] Like that's coming out in two years so it's going to take them like seven years to remake a PS2 game. I think Ubisoft are a little too bloated in my opinion.

[00:17:50] Ubisoft is a confusing developer to me like you know you got like Montreal's over there and they can just pump out games every three minutes and then like.

[00:17:59] But if you let they have like 30s they have so many studios around the world and all of them get credited on like every major game that they do.

[00:18:08] Yeah, they have like two major studios and then they have like a thousand support studios that just kind of like all over the world.

[00:18:15] Yeah, which I mean is cool but yeah it must suck if you work at like Ubisoft like one of the smaller Ubisofts and like I don't know. Yeah, I'm sure there are people in those studios who are trying to pitch ideas for like new games or whatever but.

[00:18:39] I don't know how the industry works by imagine if you work at a support studio you know what you're getting into. Yeah, you're a background player. You're just helping out like you know you don't get to pitch ideas but I think that's really unfair.

[00:18:51] So I guarantee you people at all those studios have ideas for games that could be really cool probably. Yeah, it's like oh that's a cool idea but you're going to go port Donald Duck going Quackers now. Not a bad game.

[00:19:05] No, it's like no it's like oh that we appreciate you want to do that but we have like 500 Assassin's Creed games and need to come out.

[00:19:13] So get working on those you know that kind of thing because you have shadows comes out it's going to have it's going to say oh Ubisoft Montreal or whatever but it'll say oh support from like all 20 studios.

[00:19:25] Yeah, so that's how they pump them out every year or two. And then there's rockstar that. My phone rockstar made like 20 games a year or a generation.

[00:19:38] Yeah, I did those are the good days when they when they had different ideas but the industry has changed so much since the PS2 era you know like back then you had to constantly make fresh new games because that was how the industry was.

[00:19:55] That's what we grew up on was you know oh there's a new game will buy it or rent it play it hopefully beat it and then we move on to the next thing.

[00:20:04] You know, it's like say reading a book or listening to albums or you know watching anime or whatever it's like you do the thing and then you move on to the next one.

[00:20:13] But the industry now like there's so many games now that are just a handful of games that suck up a lot of money in a lot of time because they're never ending. And now it's like every developer is trying to chase that now and.

[00:20:30] It's not sustainable because even the handful of games that have been able to do it they're going to run out eventually.

[00:20:36] Like it might be crazy to say but there might be a time where people stop playing Minecraft where they stop playing Fortnite where they stop playing apex you know to me like. They'll eventually go away and where they're going to get replaced by different versions.

[00:20:50] You know something entirely different going back to how things used to be that I don't see so. You know it's just the industry is in such a weird spot so it's in some ways it's harder if you're in a AAA studio to pitch.

[00:21:07] These new interesting ideas because I bet you there's some good games to be made out of there I'm sure of it like I'm sure like and that's the thing Ubisoft in general doesn't make bad games.

[00:21:19] Like not really some of their games are very good they make bad stuff of course, but you know I'd say like if you compare him to say. EA or Activision I would say they're batting averages probably a little bit higher. It's rare that a studio.

[00:21:35] Has never had a bad game like I'm trying to think off the top my head of this. I wouldn't say Ubisoft's never had a bad game but I just think they're they're batting averages a little higher than some of the others.

[00:21:46] I just that's actually an interesting topic because like I was thinking about that a while ago like because there's some people who will praise certain studios is never having a bad game and then I'll be like you forgot about this particular game that they liked to forget.

[00:22:00] Well and also some people only think about like the now like like for some people the concept of rockstar having a bad game just they're like no that's impossible when it's like no. They've made bad games it's called GTA 5. No no no no. Now state of emergency.

[00:22:20] Yeah those are fine like I have more issues with red dead too but um but a lot of people like that game though it didn't pop off the way I think. They were expecting it to you know what I mean yeah. Looking through let's see.

[00:22:36] They're involved in earthworm gym 3D. Then they oh because they published it over there. Yeah they published it that's that's so fucking weird. Last thing because then what sparked this was like someone had said like insomnia games has never had a bad game

[00:22:51] I'm like you know I'm like you forgot about fuse. Use wasn't good. Yeah let's see rockstar was involved in those weird Austin powers game boy games those those were bad. A smuggler's run that's not a great game.

[00:23:06] No the sequel was better but it's a it was nobody cared at that point. Yeah it was like another 3 came out so that point nobody gave a shit. It was an edgy racing game but they already had midnight club so it was like.

[00:23:22] Exactly so yeah rockstar was in a yeah there they're they're also in a weird spot because. It's also another thing that I think what makes the the industry unhealthy. Is that like everybody's waiting for GTA 5 to give the industry the GTA 6 to get the boost.

[00:23:41] Great because like sales are kind of down a little bit right so everyone's like oh GTA 6 is going to come in and boost like hardware sales and software sales all the stuff and it probably will.

[00:23:53] Like I imagine PS5's and Xbox's series they will start selling more when GTA 6 comes out some pretty sure that's not going to be on the old gen. I don't think so. I I'd hope not just because it'd be like I doubt it.

[00:24:08] I feel like such a step back. Yeah I doubt it and usually rockstar has no issue going just straight into the next gen. They don't really do that but I don't think it's good for an industry to rely on one game to profit up.

[00:24:25] Because like because GTA 6 don't probably get a game. Right I feel like maybe a good game but I don't think it's going to be the astronomical success that five was. It's going to sell very well though like what what the hell is GTA 5 sales at.

[00:24:40] I've got to be like crazy at this point. I know it's not the best selling game ever just because I think Minecraft is still like just remotely up there now but. See. It is at 200 million sales. My crap's at 300 million.

[00:24:56] So like GTA 6 is not going to sell 200 million but I think even Rockstar knows that. Yeah that it'll probably my guess is it'll probably do like 10 50 million the first day. That would be my guess. Yeah I'd say.

[00:25:12] And then and then it'll probably hit like the top 10 like I wouldn't be surprised if across 100 million but it's not going to get those GTA 5 numbers but.

[00:25:21] With how the industry is is that going to be seen as a failure because it didn't meet the same expectations as before. That I don't know it'll probably be 70 bucks so maybe that'll help cover that cost but again it's like. Yeah, it's going to be fine.

[00:25:38] Rockstar knows they'll be fine. Yeah they're more sensible about that stuff they're not like fucking. That's why they haven't made a game since 2018. Like a brand new game. I know and that's I mean we had the the trilogy come out and that was a nightmare. And then fucking.

[00:25:58] But also if they haven't done much else since then. They've just kept they've just kept developing five. Let's see let me check yeah let's see. Yeah there's red dead in 2018 red dead online came out a year later we got the definitive edition of the trilogy in 21.

[00:26:15] And then you had GTA 5's coming out late next year and then also oh yeah the max pain one into remake. I believe they're publishing that for remedy. Yeah which is which is nice. I mean they technically have the publishing rights to the series still in the.

[00:26:32] Yep, they made the third one entirely that they did and a lot of people say it's the best in the series. I say it's the best playing and it's the best it's the best gameplay wise. Oh, now's a percent the story is garbage.

[00:26:46] I hate the story of it. Like the further I get from it and then whenever I think about max pain three I'm like man I hated that story. I love one story so much just because it's so. I love to use this story.

[00:26:59] Two stories is beautiful because I think it like the idea of to it felt like it was trying to put all of.

[00:27:08] Like Max's pain to rest kind of thing like that was the fall of Max pain you know and I mean like that's what it was trying to do and the ending is very.

[00:27:17] And being like I can move on from this I can you know learn to live again kind of thing and then Max pain three just says now fuck that. He gets worse and goes to Brazil.

[00:27:30] Yeah, like to me three feels like a sequel to one not to as a sequel to one it fits perfectly. If you ignore two but you know it's just me. Yeah. Was that beyond good evil. Yeah.

[00:27:46] Are you well into metal gear at all or yeah, a little bit. What do you thoughts on the remake of three? I think it looks solid but. But it's it's economy so I believe it until I have it in my hands. I'm just so skeptical about it.

[00:28:08] Kojiima not being involved at all, which I mean might actually be good because Kojiima is I love the guy but he's fucking insane.

[00:28:15] I think I think because this is a remake not having Kojiima there will be fine because they already have a game to base it on right because we already had Metal Gear survive which didn't work. No, though from what I know survive.

[00:28:33] I think if you took the Metal Gear part out of it people would have been like it's whatever right. There's all the game. Yeah, but it was the connection to Metal Gear and all the controversy that surrounded it. That hurt that game unfortunately. But yeah, but with Delta.

[00:28:53] Steakier I mean remaking Snake Eater makes the most sense because it's like the most popular game in the series I think. Yeah, it's arguably the best in this series. I mean, four is the greatest movie ever. I've ever played. It's no it's no night trap.

[00:29:09] Yeah, I've I've issued a report like this whole series. I really want to like it more. I've dabbled in the series a lot over the years. I've only ever beaten three. And I have I have all of them. I have all of them on my Xbox.

[00:29:24] I think so it's eventually I will do a complete playthrough of the entire thing like I'll go and chronology release order. You know, like I'll do all of them eventually, but I still think I'm just one is like just one.

[00:29:37] It's like just one of the best games ever made. But that's a bit I might just be like bias because I love it as a kid.

[00:29:45] Well, I did play the PS1 version when I had my PS2 because I was able to find a copy of it for like 20 bucks or something like that. And I played through I played through all of this one and got a little bit through disks too.

[00:30:02] So I never properly finished it, but I do remember liking it for what it was. You know, it gets definitely aged. But yeah, but it's still a like a really solid story. Great acting for the time.

[00:30:17] Yeah, great acting the whole having mariles codecs on the back of the case which I confused me for so long. It was ridiculous. Like it's still very very well done and I know some people aren't too high on the twin stakes remake,

[00:30:33] but I like the twin stakes remake. I love how over the top it is. Yeah, which is all Kojima. So just blame him. That's what he wanted and he got it. Yeah, I still apparently me a moto helped on out this one.

[00:30:48] Yeah, he was, well, because apparently it was some sort of like me a moto and Kojima bun. He's like us, so that doesn't surprise me at all.

[00:31:00] I still think one of my favorite jokes and fours like when you're at Shadow Moses and like you get to a certain point in Oticon pops up. He's like snake, you got to change the disc. Yeah, he's like wait, it's a blue ray.

[00:31:11] You don't have to change the disc. This is a blue ray at a PlayStation 3 console. If you don't have to do anything. And every time they do that, it's always David Hayer going, what the fuck are you talking about? Yeah, or like anytime.

[00:31:24] Or when you fight psychomanters again, and he's like, what? What? Wireless internal hard drive. What is this? Is it like that? Yeah, yeah, it's very, very breaking the fourth wall kind of stuff and the four is probably my least favorite in the series of what I've played.

[00:31:43] Just because it's just, I don't know man. I don't know game play wise. I think it was perfect, but like this, it the story is so weird. It goes too far. Like game play wise. I would say five is the best. It's like playing a game.

[00:31:56] It's fucking great. True. It's like breath of the wild on steroids, man. Like it's fucking insane. But the problem with five comes in with like the story. And it's completely unfinished. Yeah, and even what we have is kind of batshit.

[00:32:11] Like that was the time where you could tell people were stop. People wouldn't tell Kojima no anymore. Which is an issue that a lot of creative people run into at a certain point when they get so big. And so renowned that people are afraid to tell them no.

[00:32:29] And even if say those people want to hear no and people like and those people like to be contested, you get like an aura around them that people then get afraid to sort of contest it. You know?

[00:32:42] So I think that's kind of what happened with Kojima and then you know, like, like, Death Stranding and things like that. I haven't played Death Stranding. It's, I'd like to play it at some point. Probably when I get a PS5, I'll get it and play it.

[00:32:54] But I always say, it is when I had my PS4, I wasn't interested in playing it. To me like, Death Stranding to me is like, it is both one of the greatest in one of the worst videos I've ever played. It is like, it is something else. Yeah.

[00:33:08] So, but, but the, yeah, but the snake either remake for some reason Wikipedia has it as coming out this year. I highly doubt that I think they'll push it to next year. Why not?

[00:33:19] Like, held 2025 shaping up to be kind of a bang or year with everything that's scheduled to come out then like holy fuck man. Yeah, I mean, the Nintendo Direct alone Holy shit.

[00:33:28] I mean, I mean, yeah, go to this, the Podnetwork YouTube channel where we went on double date with Aaron and Jerry and talked about it.

[00:33:37] So, but even that with like potentially like the next switch coming out next year and who knows what the launch line up is going to be for that, you know? Like, damn, like next year's probably going to be kind of insane for gaming.

[00:33:53] Um, right for your wallet. That's a lot can say. Ah, I'm not sure. Like, if the new switch is backwards compatible, I will buy a day one.

[00:34:01] And then I will give my old switch to somebody so that they can have it and then I will have my new one. That that is the plan. Yeah. But, but yeah, but yeah, Snake eater, though, I'm sure it'll be fine.

[00:34:20] I have more confidence in this than the Silent Hill 2 remake. It's weird how like the Silent Hill 2 remake does not look good. No, it looks. Oh, get on. To be honest, I was expecting worse, but it still doesn't look very good.

[00:34:35] Yeah, and I don't hate it for like the weird anti-woke reason some people have for it like that's just dumb. It's just, I see it and I'm just like, I don't know man. I don't know. It doesn't feel like Silent Hill, that's kind of my thing.

[00:34:48] It feels like it's trying way too hard to be reasonable to remake. Which, which to me, bothers the fucking because Silent Hill was never like Resident Evil. Even though it was born to be Kenomis answer to Resident Evil.

[00:35:01] Yeah, that's why Silent Hill exists, but what helps Silent Hill was they went in a different direction. It was like a lot of people versus horror versus horror. And that's what made it stand out. It doesn't have the weird tank control e-fix camera perspectives.

[00:35:17] Like, it's gameplay is different enough as well. Like it does enough things to stand out and be its own thing. But it just further proves the idea that Silent Hill hasn't been good since they broke up team silent.

[00:35:32] Yeah, because I mean like that era was like those first four games are fucking good, man. They really are. I mean, origin was an okay attempt. Like I gave origin. I gave a little credit. Origins is interesting. Like they tried on that one.

[00:35:49] Like a climax didn't pretty good job. I won't lie. Oh yeah, and Sam Barlow has evolved in origins and I believe homecoming as well. So, or no, not homecoming, shattered memories. Yeah, homecoming was was fine, but it did feel like Silent Hill is just an action game.

[00:36:07] Yeah, yeah, homecoming. I think I'm going to play it this year for Halloween because I haven't. I need to try it out. But yeah, like I know Origins and Charter memories. Sam Barlow was big on those, which probably explains why those two are seen kind of higher.

[00:36:23] You know, like Sam Barlow's a guy they could have given the Silent Hill series two to like be its babysitter. And he brought he would have went in a different direction with it. But I think it would have been for the benefit of the series.

[00:36:34] Yeah, but we get what if kind of thing. Yeah, the weakest of the post, um, team Silent games was definitely downpour. Downpours rough that fucking, um, Vita one. Oh, yeah, get that that exists. What is it called again? Book of memories.

[00:36:50] Book of memories. Yeah, yeah, it's one of the, it's a dungeon crawler I think. Dungeon crawler beat him up made by way forward. They had to pay the bill somehow. Oh, god. It feels like the most paying the bills kind of game they've ever made.

[00:37:06] I felt so bad because Daniel liked it. Like really valiant attempt at like the soundtrack for those two games and like, Because I remember everyone gave him so much shit because they have they fired. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm a motor or Yacamoto or whatever his name was.

[00:37:20] Yeah, and they brought in Daniel light from Dexter fame and like they shot on the guy. And I listened to the soundtrack. He did a pretty good job.

[00:37:29] It's just like Yamoka is so like he's just like, like team silent is so revered that everybody involved in it is like, you know, Like like that, that team is kind of, you want to talk about being put on a pedestal.

[00:37:43] I feel like that team is put on a pedestal. What's funny is one of the guys? Yeah, which is crazy because some people don't even like silently hope for, but I liked the room for what I was. People keep going on the room.

[00:37:56] Yeah, it was kind of weird at first. But the deeper you get into it, I go like the escort mission aspect of it, but the weird psychological aspects that it throws at you. I think is done pretty well.

[00:38:10] And it doesn't feel like a sendoff of team silent, but it kind of just kind of became one. You know, I don't know if they were going to do a fifth silent hill. They probably would have, but

[00:38:22] because I know the founder of team silent, he only was around for the first silent hill because he later left to join Sony where that's for. It's siren. Siren. One of the, that's a bad shit in his name as well.

[00:38:34] Yeah, our, our boy, speaking of super pod, our boy Tommy played it many years ago and it was referenced on there. There, there most recent episode that a Tommy did a playthrough of and he doesn't like spooky games and they threw him siren.

[00:38:50] Oh, and the one who the mystery guest is. It's been long enough, okay? And I knew from the second, I'm like, I wonder who that's going to be. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, y'all should watch that because it's pretty funny.

[00:39:06] It is funny to watch people who weren't in the spooky games play spooky games. Especially because siren is such a weird one.

[00:39:14] It is, it is that I, and I remember when I saw siren, I was like, there's no way this series is going to last like no way. It really didn't because we only got one more and a remake.

[00:39:25] Yeah, it was just one of those, one of those kind of situations, you know. Siren two, ironically, is even more fucking batshit insane, but we didn't get that out.

[00:39:35] And that's the thing. Silent Hill isn't batshit insane. Like it does weird things, but I wouldn't call it batshit, you know? I think it is a reason he will have to because I think they were two were just restrained on a.

[00:39:45] Yeah, but that's what makes like two and three so fucking good is how restrained they are.

[00:39:52] You know, like the best horror leaves certain things up to your imagination because any good horror creator will tell you what is the scariest thing is what the audience has in their head. Anything you put on screen will never match what they have in here.

[00:40:10] It will never, so you do just enough to kind of like instill that in their head and then you let them run with it. And that's what always works. That's the best horror.

[00:40:21] It's why pyramid had was such an effective villain and then they fucking beat that into the ground. Yeah, yeah, it reminds me of, I guess to throw a geek, geek guy at X reference.

[00:40:32] It's like of the board who is Star Trek. You know, like it's such an amazing idea for a villain especially in the Star Trek series that's I think we all knew that they were going to kill it.

[00:40:44] They were just going to beat it to the beat it to death and they have the border still great, but you know they weren't.

[00:40:53] They weren't, you know, the clingsons of the Ron Mielans or even the Fraggy where they were able to sort of intermingle them to make them kind of their own thing. Like the board had to just stay the board but it never happened.

[00:41:05] Yeah, the board were so iconic. They were referenced by Star Fox, all of things. Oh, yeah. I mean, I imagine Star Fox probably has more Star Trek references in it.

[00:41:17] I just, I always whenever you play a salt that's always like this is just the board. It's just the board. Yep. That's what you're playing as yeah, it's fucking awesome. So. Take the pigmas space station can and it's still the most fucking you're just part of the idea.

[00:41:31] Yeah, apparently going back to the Silent Hill. Somebody asked, John, my okay team Silent would ever reunite. He said he's not against the idea, but he's like, I don't know if it would work and to be fair, I don't think it would work.

[00:41:45] It would work with Konami these days. No, and it's like it was such a rag tag team when it was created anyways, you know,

[00:41:53] Like they were this kind of ramshackle thing kind of just off to the side doing its thing. Well, can I be was focusing more around like metal gear and Castlevania and I don't know, bomber man. So yeah.

[00:42:07] So like after the four games, they just kind of dissolved, you know, because because I don't know why Konami thought having Western devs make these games would be better. I don't know, I don't get that because it's not like Capcom did that with Resident Evil.

[00:42:22] No, it was always Japanese based. The only Resident Evil games that were made by Western studios were like the spin-offs like, like, dead aim. I think maybe I know I'm Operation Racoon City was made by Slides X games. I know that one.

[00:42:39] Yeah, so like all the shitty ones. Yeah. It's just the truth man. I'm trying to think of where there are any other ones like. I'd have to look to find because I don't have the Resident Evil series memorized in my head.

[00:42:57] I think that's the way ones were those made by Capcom. Wow. You umbrella chronicles and the dark side chronicles, the dark side chronicles. That's what I was thinking of. That was Capcom and a company called Cavia. Okay, Cavia, it's the the the Dragon Guard guys.

[00:43:16] Oh, bullet witch, you know, yeah, but there's still Japanese. Yeah, so that's why those ones were good. Yeah, like Capcom's, I mean, Resident Evil has been predominantly a Japanese series.

[00:43:28] So I think it just comes down to this, this is probably not going to be a hot take at all that like Capcom is just a better run business than canami is, you know.

[00:43:38] Well, Capcom had their massive fuck up moment and then they were able to, they were able to, they were able to bounce back because they were always focused on like just making good games. That's what they were always, that was always their focal point.

[00:43:53] It's like Nintendo, like their focuses, let's just if we make good games will be fine, right? Honestly, I think the biggest problem that Capcom was actually in a food name more than anything because in a food name.

[00:44:04] Yeah, he was the big he didn't really know what he was doing. No, he was the big pro American like a pro Western developer, as I should say.

[00:44:14] Yeah, because like I remember he's like, let's make these three awesome series and then let's try and get a new one. And then let's farm them out to different studios and see if they stick.

[00:44:26] But even when they had like a Western series like Dead Rising, you know, it eventually kind of chip the bed unfortunately. Yeah, I would love for Dead Rising the comeback.

[00:44:38] Dead Rising 2 is still one of my favorite stupid games to play because there's a system of funny about how that game works.

[00:44:46] And I think honestly you would benefit, I wouldn't even be surprised if say like Microsoft went to Capcom and said, hey, people associate Dead Rising with the Xbox.

[00:44:55] So let's maybe get together and make Dead Rising five and you know, make it Xbox exclusive because people kind of associate them together anyways, you know, like I think that would be cool. But just Capcom will not touch that series again because Capcom ever doesn't exist anymore.

[00:45:13] And it's pretty bad. Yeah, it's not a terrible game but it's the weakest in the series. So comparing it to like two or three, it's like, oh yeah, or two off the record which two off the record might be my favorite of the bunch actually.

[00:45:28] Yeah, just having crank West instead is as cool. I've covered wars you know. Yeah. Yeah, I need to sit down and like play through those stories, you know, get the whole experience.

[00:45:43] So yeah, it's a shame with like you have Dead Rising but you know what what can you do because out because this Capcom even have like a Western studio anymore. I don't know.

[00:45:57] I honestly don't know because the biggest as far as I know was Vancouver when they were like blue castle games right and then. Yeah. I don't think they have anymore. I'd have to track.

[00:46:09] I something the funniest thing is in a Fune studio, a con com set is now part of level five. That is weird. They're like, they're like level five com set now it's weird. That is very weird. I don't even know what they're making but.

[00:46:25] I mean, I know a little five's making but I don't know five level five makes good games. I don't know what the comms are. Well, mostly they make good games. They do falter here and there but you know what can you do.

[00:46:39] But I think with level five it's more of they're just they'll forever be a niche Japanese developer and I think they'll never get out of that mindset. You know like Atlas has gotten out of that mindset from software has gotten out of that mindset.

[00:46:55] I don't think level five will ever but at the same time, I don't think level five will ever have that kind of success. Yeah, like as level five's biggest like games I can think of are. Dragon Quest 8 which most people don't even realize they made.

[00:47:12] The Fesher laid in series. Mm-hmm. It is you know 11's apparently huge but people in Japan. Yeah, people in America don't care because it's soccer RPG. Yeah, they have this well it's it's a Mr. Big Situation. It's a very popular in Japan here. Nobody gives a flying fuck.

[00:47:30] Yeah. Well apparently the most recent one did come out over here so I mean that's something. Victory well, the one they're working on now is called Victory Road. It has a release date for this year but if I remember correctly they didn't.

[00:47:46] Did they show any of it at their event? I don't know I don't think they did because they had that level five event. I think it was last year wasn't it? Yeah. Like live stream and I don't think they showed this game so they showed Professor Layton.

[00:48:00] They showed Deca police which I think looks really fucking cool. And they showed that fantasy life game I think. Oh yeah, they're making a sequel to fantasy life which I'm fine with. Which I think came out already. I don't know. I stopped falling.

[00:48:16] The girl who steals time because I think that was in it. Those are no direct I think. Mm-hmm. But it did get released. Yeah. I fancy life doesn't look like it's for me anyways. But um, I got the Mega 10 new Sashi games which people tend to like.

[00:48:31] I mean I need a Kuni 1 is probably like one of my favorite RPGs I've remade so. I mean they made Dark Cloud 1 and 2 which is still like my favorite Zelda games. Yeah those are pretty dope. Rogue Galaxy is fucking awesome. Jean-Di Arck on PS-E.

[00:48:47] Jean-Di Arck I love that game so. That is a cool fucking game. Um. Yeah, this they make a lot of really cool niche things and you're a Kaiwan. Which could have been the true Pokemon competitor. You know, it's really five not shit the bed on it.

[00:49:03] What's funny is I was just talking about this with a friend because some of my friend he brought up. What happened to uh, what was the Pokemon killer that came out like a week ago that don't give the shit about? Power old. Yeah, how how old.

[00:49:17] They were like what happened to power though like oh people stopped giving the shit. And he's like oh what how could that be? I'm like because it was a niche fan for like a minute and I'm like you know Nintendo was really smart here.

[00:49:28] Because everyone's like Nintendo is totally gonna sue and I'm like no they're not. They're gonna they took one look at this and ignored it because they realized if they made a stink about it that would have brought attention to it.

[00:49:36] They knew for a fact this was going to die off in about a month so. Yeah Nintendo knows what the strides in effect is. Yeah. And then they actually wrote what happened to power old if Nintendo went after it everybody would have started playing it.

[00:49:49] Yeah because Nintendo took one looking when not it's gonna be it'll be the fat of the month and the moment. Yeah, yeah and the thing is like, Yoke I watch I think could have actually been a competitor.

[00:50:01] Like I haven't played them but I know people who have and really like them and I still they're still waiting for Yoke I watch for to get a a a English translation and a port over here. And I think it's gonna happen any day folks. Any day.

[00:50:19] I think it's only been five years. Yeah, I think Yoke I watch as big as problems it came out too early. I think about too late.

[00:50:28] I don't know like that whole like Japanese like anime still hadn't really hit its like mega boon yet by the point that point and like I just feel like it kind of like. But the time it it actually started getting traction it was too late.

[00:50:42] The problem I found with Yoke I watch was it took them too long to get the translations over here.

[00:50:49] So that by the time they officially got released over here, the people who were interested in them from their Japanese release say people would make a French translation or they would you know import them or whatever right.

[00:51:02] So by the time they did come over here a lot of the people who would have waited for it had already played it.

[00:51:08] And it just and we were at and we're at a time now where it's like a delaying a Japanese in an English release of a game that long like sometimes like two years.

[00:51:18] Like you can't do that anymore like we're too connected for that to really like go by like somehow drag and quest got away with it but I think.

[00:51:27] That length of time between the original 11 and 11s is kind of I mean even though 11 did come over here, but I think like.

[00:51:36] And drag quest 11 was almost proving that like you kind of have to do a simultaneous world about release because I think that's why 11 wasn't the big like FF7 moment for drag and quest it almost was like it was so close but it just didn't break through like I think it could have.

[00:51:53] You know and with 12 coming out eventually maybe next year. It will be like everywhere day one. I mean that's that's kind of why now that's kind of why persona five and dubbing Alice's FF7 moment because they came out I think over here first.

[00:52:12] Yeah yeah and well and plus they delayed that game for three years to the point where it became a meme and with that becoming a meme people started like hearing out hearing more about it you know and I think persona came at like the right time.

[00:52:27] Oh yeah people really you know get crazy with it and just checking the other Wikipedia in Japan it came out September 15th 2016 and then it came here April 4th 2017 so. I think it's a really close six months I'd say roughly.

[00:52:44] I think is enough to get away with it you know. Yeah I mean because they had a bunch of translations stuff they had to do anyways so it makes sense why it would take them home.

[00:52:55] Yeah yeah but by the time say personify world was getting ported to everything it just happened all at once which. I think it's a really good thing.

[00:53:07] So we're just seeing it but the fucking this guy in the corner but see sadly it's the European version but oh well I just don't like having this down here because yeah there's way to work.

[00:53:21] See I it's what's weird to me is seeing that box arc as I have the steel book and I'm just so used to the steel book for the PS4 version that's fair that's fair.

[00:53:30] And one of these days I will sit down and play this game part it's just so fucking long okay. I know damn it cut me a break. It's the game and I mean gameplay wise it's fantastic. A story has issues.

[00:53:42] I forget who I was listening to I was listening to a podcast and somebody said that them to beat that game without doing any side quests was like 112 hours. Yeah if you're not doing the side quests you're playing it wrong so.

[00:53:57] That's probably why I took them so long because you was probably level grinding like crazy.

[00:54:01] Yeah so it's just game so fucking long like I like short games man that's why I've put the time I put into the Sonic origins collection but you know I'm almost done with it.

[00:54:14] See I like shorter games too but then I also like RPGs so I'm never going to win that battle.

[00:54:19] You try to pace them out I think you know like I think it's the idea is like you have kind of one long game they were working on and then. As you're working on that you'll do other smaller games in the middle to kind of break it up.

[00:54:34] Yeah it's the same way how I feel with like a fucking anime where it's like I'd rather watch like a quick 26 or then a fucking. One piece or sorry Alex I'm or like an attack on Titan or something that's just long.

[00:54:48] I mean I'm sure one piece is good but I will wait till they do that. Is it Netflix doing that truncated edition? Oh yeah the one piece I still don't know enough about what's going on there.

[00:55:05] Well from what I know I thought the idea was they were going they're remaking the anime but they're trimming it down significantly. I heard it was either that or they're re-naking it but they're like basically it off the live action series. I don't know let's say.

[00:55:22] Uh did it it. Yes it's being done for Netflix which that's a big get for Netflix. This producing a remake of the one piece anime called The One Piece. It's starting from the East Blue saga. That's like the first saga.

[00:55:41] Okay hinting that it might cover more but it's not confirmed it's for the 25th anniversary and yeah from what I've heard they are going to trim it down. Like was like what the anime is like a thousand episodes or something crazy? Oh wait over that I know.

[00:55:57] Yeah and um and I think they have said that they're gonna try to like make it shorter so that more people could actually get into it.

[00:56:08] Yeah because that is it's become such a meme now that like you know one piece is just so fucking long that like I think it kind of prevents more people from getting into it like me.

[00:56:20] What every one piece fan has told the other than Alex because she loves that way more than most people is you have to get to a certain point and then it just clicks. There's like that's like a hundred and something to sew. Did you get through?

[00:56:34] I mean isn't there like so many episodes of that get of that show where like nothing happens like it's like a flashback or they're just walking and bullshitting because they caught up to the manga. And it's like I don't want to watch that.

[00:56:49] So I have no interest in that. What Alex tells me it's not nearly as bad as like say like Naruto which is just fucking like there's legitimate episodes that are flashbacks to the previous episode. That's bad that's very bad.

[00:57:02] Yeah Naruto shipping an embellion probably the most infamous when it comes to like bad filler in an anime. Yeah but there's just too much man it's too much. I have one piece Odyssey over here which is probably how I will introduce myself to the series.

[00:57:19] Let's play this little guy here. I hear it's good. I hear it's a good game. Alex really liked it and Alex doesn't really play a lot of games so. Or RPGs for that matter. Well she plays Pokemon in persona. Does Pokemon count as an RPG?

[00:57:34] It's like baby's first RPG these days. Yeah. Like persona like persona is an RPG, 1000% out of. Yeah. Let's see. Yeah one piece Odyssey. It looked just checking steam real quick. See what people are saying.

[00:57:49] I feel like it's so easy to find people to be like mixed like every fucking like reset reviews mix. Sure you know. Well a lot of those reviews are like I don't like one piece so forward it to it a five. Then it's like that okay.

[00:58:03] Yeah yeah but also I think just because I think it's like a bigger budget game. People are more critical of it because um I might have been Dave's discord or was another discord

[00:58:13] where there was a discussion about how indie games are kind of put on a pedestal that they're kind of like overrated in a lot of ways because they seem like more legit than like triple A games you know what I mean? Yeah.

[00:58:30] It's something that I feel is similar to say like say like the music world like if it's like an underground band doing something oh it's considered more real than like a mainstream pop artist or whatever you know what I mean?

[00:58:44] When at the end of the day I think it's all art right and there's a sense of people wanting to prop up the underdog you know like be like oh I'm here for like you know the smaller

[00:58:56] guy but but in a way it's doing that I think sometimes hurt indie games as well like yeah it's like this is the only bastion of like good game designer the only good games

[00:59:08] now indie games it's like shut the fuck up like no they're not there's a lot of indie games know which are just it's the same thing where it's like a cinematic artsy platform and I'm like it's fine but it's like they're all the same.

[00:59:22] I like some of those but you have to have something that makes it stand out like like if you're I mean like limbo's like an early example of that right and it worked

[00:59:32] because it was it was something new something fresh right and then I mean one of those designers one of the guys who worked on it recently made a game called cocoon which is completely different from limbo like it's like it's top down and it has it does more

[00:59:51] like say the dark souls thing where it tells its story through like the environment kind of things like that like it's a lot of visual storytelling and it's much much more like puzzle oriented and all that it's really cool but and it's different like you wouldn't

[01:00:04] think the guy who did limbo did this. I kind of thing like but that's where indie games can really be a benefit is you know it's like a it's a smaller production but it allows for potentially more creative ideas.

[01:00:19] But we're hitting that point with indie games where it's becoming like there's becoming a formula like the indie game formula and as you said a lot of them are starting to just be that you know and maybe we're not at that point where people can see through

[01:00:37] those cracks now so yeah I don't know. Like one of my favorite ones of all time is a platformer called Thomas was alone and you literally just play as a bunch of colored pixels like squares but the big

[01:00:54] thing with it is like it's got this really interesting story in narration and like it's all puzzle platforming and yeah it's just it's still really fun game that I bought on a whim because it was on sale for a dollar on PSN at one point.

[01:01:07] I mean that's the power of indie games they can make them so dirt cheap they are just like a little try it out and then it becomes something really fucking cool you know. Like I don't just journey count as an indie game because I love journey.

[01:01:20] At the time yeah because it was made by an independent studio I think Sony bonded it though so it's a little bit this is a bit of a sketch so it's a little gray area there. Yeah because that's a game I love to death as well.

[01:01:35] The really cool indie game I like fire watch quite a bit. I remember enjoying Stanley parable the first time Stanley parable is a one and doneer but it is a very fascinating one and doneer.

[01:01:47] Well I know they've done like they did that like what was it that remaster or whatever that added like new stuff into it. I've been meaning to check that out. I actually need to boot my copy of that up because I can actually get the achievement

[01:02:00] don't play for 10 years now so. There you go. So yeah I saw that conversation by indie games and I thought it was interesting because yeah I think there is a truth to that like some people really putting indie games on a pedestal that they don't necessarily deserve.

[01:02:17] I know this is just because you're an indie game doesn't mean you're special you know what I mean? I've noticed a bit of a trend recently with a lot of indie games where we're now getting like deconstructions of like gaming ideas like the most famous

[01:02:31] deconstruction of recent times probably don't you know, get litre clip. Oh yeah one of my favorite indie games of all time. Just a deconstruction of the visual novel genre which I get not everyone likes that

[01:02:44] game but I didn't enjoy my it that's also kind of a one and doneer because once you've experienced it it's kind of. It's fun to see other people experience it who never have so you can kind of bounce it off of them.

[01:02:56] Yeah but yeah so it's one of those games I like I bought the physical copy on Switch to kind of support the dev. Oh yeah. I'm like I'm here for it you know but have I played it on my switch? No.

[01:03:08] No because I've already played it once and it's like you want you know what happens it's like it's. And with plus and with plus having the virtual desktop I think it kind of takes the immersion out of it unfortunately.

[01:03:21] Yeah it was one of those games that like you really had to have been there. Yeah absolutely. And I was I was there when it like dropped and everyone was talking about I'm like what the fuck is up with this?

[01:03:36] It was free so I was like hey let me mess around with it and and you're like you know what's the big deal everyone's like hanging there. You'll know you'll know when the twist happens I'm like okay I'm expecting a twist. I think good.

[01:03:49] And then it happens and then I'm like oh okay I guess we're going there now and then the game just completely goes off the rails and it's and watching our pal Danny play it on stream.

[01:04:04] It was like to it been years since I had seen it in full so we're experiencing it was a lot of fun. Just the shock especially like if you get like the the net suky next

[01:04:17] nap like the vent which is always like holy fuck or always freaks me out. Holy shit. Or you get like demonic yuri in the the the the note the palm making section which is like extremely rare and I've gotten it one I got it once

[01:04:32] and I was like what the fuck? I never got it but I've like seen it. No boy. Yeah it's just so. And then what was that game that essentially I don't think it came out like it

[01:04:43] made it come out right after that it tried to do the dokey dokey thing and it didn't work. Was it like that was like baldies math or some shit like that? Oh baldies basics and basics. Yeah did that come out after dokey dokey?

[01:04:56] It was after that was more of a fucking like me game though. Yeah I didn't like it because some people were like oh it's trying to do the dokey dokey thing and I'm like maybe like a teeny bit but it maybe

[01:05:09] was like influenced by it and was trying to yeah be made maybe more of a meme thing. Like it wasn't actually trying to say something quite on quote to me that was a that was a

[01:05:19] streamer bait game like because they knew streamers would play that then eat it up. Yeah and even that a lot of streamers were like hey. Yeah like it's not a great game other than Markiplier who made that is like

[01:05:32] stick like most people played it once and that was it. But it feels like Markiplier likes every game he plays. Markiplier likes to get really into the games which more power to him honestly. I like Markiplier he seems like a nice he seems like a nice sweet guy.

[01:05:46] Yeah it's actually funny because like the gamecrumbs actually played all these basics like recently and they were like oh yeah we never played this so fuck it why not and damn it's like what the fuck is this? It's like just play it.

[01:05:59] What does Dan doesn't keep track of anything? He lives in his bubble. Well he's a rock star and he just does this on the side. Yeah he lives in his bubble of like listening to Rush all the fucking

[01:06:11] times so you know he so he doesn't so he's reaction to doki doki's phenomenal. Oh yeah like his like I was expecting a sexy twist but then it was not a sexy twist. I mean depending on how you look at him. Yeah.

[01:06:26] I love how like the he foreshadows so much in that in the first half and then the second it happens he's like I don't trust this game anymore. Yeah it's good stuff good stuff. So we had mentioned it kind of off of off screen before we started but

[01:06:42] so that doctor disrespect stuff is yeah we can get topical I guess yeah Mr. Doctor disrespect I'm sure the people listening to this show know who this is so even if you've never watched him I think you know who he is.

[01:06:57] It was what 2020 he got banned from Twitch. Yeah and it was like one of the biggest mysteries because nobody knew why. And then it was totally hidden and then people were trying to find out and now we know why.

[01:07:10] And you know the best part is he fucking just admitted it. Like it was like dude. Yeah but he's trying to be like I'm good because like no criminal wrong doing happened

[01:07:19] they didn't find anything you know it was the you know the Drake thing when Drake had his response and it was like oh if I done this I had been arrested by now that kind of it's

[01:07:31] like that's not how you should say it you know the whole it's not a crime if you don't get caught. That's basically what you're saying so it's like what the fuck were you doing that we don't know about

[01:07:41] you know I don't want to imply that Mr. Mr. disrespect I think they're going to revoke his a doctor doctor it. I don't know if he actually you know has done to other horrible shit I have no fucking idea.

[01:07:57] I remember the whole meme of when he cheats wife I remember that like that was kind of funny you know because like that became like such a big meme and then he went on stream

[01:08:08] and like did like a serious stream you know about it which watching it now is hilarious because he likes still places intro and has a hype shit and then it just cuts to him trying to be serious

[01:08:22] and doctor disrespect he's one of those like adult men who are just so bad at communicating their feelings without being like really aggressive shit heads you know what I mean

[01:08:35] where they have to constantly cuss and just be this very angry like they're just the very angry all the time you know what I mean like even in real life and it's just like bro like you know sorry you

[01:08:49] dad didn't know if you enough or something like it's I don't know it's just kind of weird any has a nice big tweet the called the twitch band where he makes a little statement about it

[01:09:02] which I'm not going to read here but but basically most of it just reads is just like oh you know I didn't do anything wrong because they didn't find any any wrongdoing it's like yeah

[01:09:13] I don't know if that qualifies my man yeah this has been just like the year of like creator in evolution it's been pretty crazy like they started with the completionist that then Chagricon growing how it's like Jesus Christ one's gonna yeah and like the comments under

[01:09:33] this or funny like I'm seeing a lot of a EDP picture and apparently he keeps editing the word minor in and out of it of the tweet apparently he doesn't realize people can like look at back

[01:09:47] and see that shit yeah this is the internet buddy people see it I think Muda har said it best he's like you could have he could have just deleted the entire thing and just made a new tweet but no

[01:09:57] he had to edit which makes it more obvious so bad yeah it's like I swear every week it's like another one to be fair I always kind of got the suspects off of him anyways I was like

[01:10:14] some just sums off but you know I never would have guessed he did this no I always just thought he was a man I mean he is but now I didn't think he was this yeah we're no yeah like the character worked you know

[01:10:26] like it's like he streams I think just on YouTube now and it still gets like big numbers on there and I don't yeah well bigger I still get pretty decent numbers for what he's doing so

[01:10:38] I was gonna say I don't know how much longer he'll be streaming on YouTube but I mean YouTube may kick him off I don't know but like I mean just looking at his YouTube channel real quick

[01:10:48] and streams he still gets like roughly half a million no matter what he's doing so yeah he's either gonna get kicked off of YouTube he's gonna go to kick or kick actually might actually kick him

[01:11:01] well kicks about to kick the bucket if we're being real here if you've been following what's going on with them I have no idea they have enough money to sponsor a formula one team apparently

[01:11:13] yeah but let's just say a streaming platform being run by a bunch of crypto bros isn't being managed well who would have thought it's actually like a gambling company apparently yeah this is about the same level I mean crypto is gambling it's a weird thing like whatever the

[01:11:30] health stake is and all the shit yeah it's all bad that's why no still somehow not as embarrassing is what's the other one the third platform that's there to one yeah it's not not mixer it's no mixers dead mixers long did there's another one that like

[01:11:52] were key stars these days I can't remember what it's called but that one's also bad I mean that's bad when it's like marquee streamer is he used to are like that's not the exact I mean I enjoy listening to key star not because he's good

[01:12:10] just because he's fucking hilarious because about fucking gringy is but got his fucking weird I mean the long-standing drama alert on YouTube so yeah I mean the lockout podcast has been the funniest thing

[01:12:24] just because that's just hilarious to me like that he's paying these two and it's just basically ruined their lives but just awful so many awful people on here but yeah it's just it is what

[01:12:39] it is you know that the see and YouTube is also why the meritocracy doesn't exist like like the meritocracy is a fucking bullshit lie like because there are so many fucking dumbasses

[01:12:54] who just fail their way into being really successful and will never understand it or they just know the right people and it's it's all bullshit it's all bullshit like I mean hell super pod

[01:13:06] they had that viral last tweet right yep I still find that on Reddit every now and then yeah dumb luck and then I asked Aaron I'm like did it boost the pot at all he's like a little bit

[01:13:18] it got the machine it turned a Twitter followers like I know that yeah but that didn't really translate into one of the Elon bought the service and then it kind of ruined that yeah yeah

[01:13:30] it just feels like now with like YouTube and all this stuff it's just harder and harder to just genuinely gain an audience anymore you know how to figure out where the mission really

[01:13:41] is it really geared towards like smaller people trying to rise up and there's just so many people doing this stuff now yeah that it's hard to weed through the cracks you need like a weird gimmick like we do talking about a fucking random ass counsel

[01:13:55] honestly yeah because like there's so many gaming centric podcasts and you need to really have a gimmick to really get off the ground like it's stuff very tough oh boy yeah that was the drama bomb section of this episode I hope y'all enjoyed it

[01:14:18] yeah I've never been on kick so I have no desire to ever get on there because all I've ever heard is just bad stuff and I know mostly just because that's where all like the fucking bitch which band streamers go

[01:14:34] yeah basically the only thing I can say is that a Disney's epic Mickey rebrushed out of its release date today I did it nice it's coming out September 24th which I believe is two days before Ecos of Wisdom I still cannot get over the fact that

[01:14:51] Warren Spector worked on those games that's pretty crazy I find it crazy this game is getting a remake at all but I'm glad to see it happening but well the first one was considered a decent game the second one

[01:15:05] was the one that was kind of yeah it's just a game I never thought would ever come back you know but with THQ Nordic anything is possible they really do like to just pull out like the judges of like gaming's history

[01:15:19] and be like remember this guy's that's what I fucking love about them is that they'll just do this at their willing to do this shit you know yeah like oh you guys like sponge ball here let's remake that game because it's

[01:15:32] the game everyone likes and then we'll do a sequel to it like what yeah well I mean that game was kind of brought back his speed runners really liked it yeah yeah that's why and then they did that alone the dark reboot which apparently

[01:15:46] didn't meet expectations so I'm brace or shut down the studio that made it yep already poor guys did you did you play that alone the dark reboot I played the demo and I was very I mean the demo was like 15 minutes

[01:16:04] yeah it's not that I played that demo is nothing I just don't want to pay the money for it but kind of my thing I read 60 bucks so it's not full price but yeah it's

[01:16:14] still more money than I'd like to pay for it right now yeah when it's like 30 bucks I'll give it a shot did they make physical they had to make physical oh yeah I see it on the shelf all the time and games I can yeah yeah what

[01:16:25] it's like when it's physical like 30 bucks I'll grab it yeah and we'll find out maybe I'll do a review of it for one of these days yeah let's see right now on Amazon it's 4799 sorry it's already being marked down though but not

[01:16:42] not to the price I want wait for a sale like a big sale and then I'll probably go for it I was saying maybe black Friday I might be the time to get it true

[01:16:51] yeah I mean if so many games there's just too many games now that's like kind of the problem with everything yeah but it is what it is I think that's the only reason some people like us want a video game crash just so they can stop making

[01:17:08] games for like two years and then we could just focus on our back blocks yeah I just like see like an industry wide shut down for a couple years just let us catch up yeah which would be funny that would be so hilarious but it's obviously not going

[01:17:23] to happen now you you just you yourself have to shut down we have to be like I don't think if it's shit about new games for a year I'm simply all the old games which

[01:17:32] some people can do but yeah the problem is though there's always that nagging feeling where you're like the skin will become yeah or like this game will become rare if I don't buy it now yeah I certainly games you can tell more than others but

[01:17:46] you'll never you'll never really know a lot of those RPGs on like that come out that are like so obscured that like especially the Xbox ones yeah like one Xbox RPG I got physically because a part of me is like I have a

[01:18:03] feeling this will be rare one day let me grab it is this boy Scarlett Nexus oh yeah it's just I still have yet to play it I've here it's pretty good though

[01:18:16] but it's some people say it's a better tail skin than tails of a rise I mean I heard this was Namco trying to make a platinum game that works too I guess but like the idea of like this the physical guy of this becoming especially

[01:18:33] like the Xbox physical JRPGs I'm like yeah these are gonna be rare in the future I think because who the hell's buying these except for me yeah even the switch has a few bizarre ones like my body there's a lot of weird random

[01:18:48] expensive switch games I bought a game called the Lost Child for like end box because it was like apparently a shitty RPG that was just in the bargain bin and it's like 130 now according to the game I just like what the what did this

[01:19:02] happen when you weren't looking yeah or like um well there's gate the ball there's gate one and two collection which is like almost 100 now yeah like the physical version of dust and leasy entails like 130 bucks now but I think I was I think

[01:19:18] the one that's been limited run or like it's the limited run stuff that becomes super expensive you know like outlasts and outlasts too got like a double pack on switch that's like 300 bucks I still think the most baffling recent game

[01:19:32] spike out of nowhere is fucking bullet which is like over under the way yeah yeah I don't know having with that well I think it's with the 360 store shutting down like 360 itself is gonna have a bit of a resurgence it's gonna have a bit of a boost

[01:19:47] I'm just like white bullet which it's such a medium I agree but you know and that's the thing I have some of the pricey 360 games like I have operation darkness I have Marvel to Millions goal that have 50 simple on the sand so I have some of the

[01:20:06] more I have darkest days which is becoming pricey now like the price I see it for on price trading I'm like I did not pay that much for it yeah like that's got

[01:20:18] that like that kind of spike very recently so and that's a bad game but it's an amazing bad game. I mean bullet which has kind of been amazing bad game too but for different reasons yeah yeah so I think 360s kind of hitting that part where it's

[01:20:33] gonna start becoming like dumb yeah it's not as dumb as ps3 though if ps3 still has some of the dumbest rare games like yeah that's the ugly to those the weird zebra zebra game and the spider man games for some reason yeah holy shit I didn't know

[01:20:49] wet was so expensive oh is it yeah apparently right now it's like 40 and 60 bucks I did not pay that for it I can tell you that much it's an alright game it's alright so I just know wet is because like Matt McMuscle's apparently tell the story

[01:21:09] where that game got him he got fired from that game for whatever reason yeah yeah I've heard that story too. This is our this made by behavior wasn't it? yes A2M. Good old estimate. Good degree more buddy. Boy.

[01:21:29] Oh shit a bit any other topics you want to cover we're getting close to an hour and a half. I think really I can think of my enslaved too well last night's my brain's a little mushy.

[01:21:41] I got it. So the fact you got this much atomized pretty impressive. Yeah we went on this big tangent about silent hill in the presence of the deer. I mean for somebody that I've been thinking about banjo kuzui the last couple is

[01:21:54] it's good series yeah I really missed it down play the first one. Maybe it was like when when Drake did his like 1998 video and just shit talked banjo kuzui and I'm like man there are some people who fucking hate that game.

[01:22:11] And like and as somebody who's played it quite a bit. I don't see the hate for it like sure it's not a perfect game but just the the vitriol hate I see some people I'm like is it that bad? I think it was that bad.

[01:22:29] I kind of like docky Kong 64 is getting like a redness honestly and I still don't really like that game. Although that game's rough. I've tried playing it I'm just like it could have been fantastic it was just it was almost there.

[01:22:42] It's just too much collectathon that I agree with so yeah I'm not seeing what my eb-type by this on eBay maybe I didn't.

[01:22:54] So for somebody I thought I bought it on eBay maybe I didn't so I'd have to check but I know I didn't pay more than my 10 bucks for it. Yeah because that that game used to be like stereotypical bargain bin.

[01:23:06] Yeah and I kind of paid bargain bin price for it so I don't know. I mean I have sold some of my 360 games but I kept it was just kind of the smaller ones I was willing to get rid of.

[01:23:17] A lot of the bigger ones I kept like a like the Simpson's game because I paid like. 45 bucks for that game. That's a better game than people give it credit for. It was fine.

[01:23:29] It's no hit and run but it's like like X-Men origins Wolverine is like really skyrocketing and I'm like I did not pay 61 dollars for that game. I paid like 12 bucks for it. I wonder why that one's because I wonder if it's because of the movie.

[01:23:43] Yeah well and it's always had a reputation of being a game people like. Well it's one of those games that's better than the movie it's based off of. Yeah though I've played it and I got bored. It kind of bored me.

[01:23:55] I don't know like it's it's not bad but I feel like it just it's so just buy the numbers kind of a game. It doesn't really do much to stick out with me.

[01:24:05] I think the big thing is like now that we have like legitimately good superhero games that one just people really get it's not that great. For its time it was fantastic. It's like the Hulk ultimate destruction game that was like that's a cool game.

[01:24:21] But one that basically became prototype. Yeah like yeah and prototypes better than that game anyways because prototype took that formula and did something original with it so. Yeah I still remember the the Yatsi review like where he reviewed both that and infamous and he actually like.

[01:24:38] Howling the developers to draw the opposite um main character in a bikini speaking seafood win.

[01:24:45] I think he's still yeah they both did and saw me I can't not insonic soccer punch and radical both contributed and he actually ended up being a draw because he thought both were good. I'm an I'm impressed that they did it.

[01:24:58] I mean they they were good sports about it because they were very similar games at the time I unfortunately I think infamous kind of won that battle but. We actually only got two prototypes and then we got how many infamous games.

[01:25:11] Three technically four if you count first light as its own game. Yeah so I've never played the infamous games. The best Xman games you'll ever play. I'll take your word for it.

[01:25:23] Just radical down existing more do they they technically do but they're like a skeleton team that doesn't do anything anymore. What I've heard that said. All because the game didn't meet activitions unrealistic expectations. Well prototype two. Yeah.

[01:25:42] You know let's see as a 222 all that was left of radical entertainments and team of six employees who subsequent work would be credited under activation van Cover despite that it was among the studios named Microsoft's acquisition of activation blizzard.

[01:25:57] So they were still listed and then I remember one of the games people were throwing around when the acquisition happened was oh they had no prototype three. The six levels. Well apparently it was like. Pitched.

[01:26:13] But yeah because prototype two didn't so I haven't played prototype two and I've only played like maybe an hour prototype one so the biggest problem with prototype two prototype two is a better game in pretty much every way graphically gameplay was the problem is they did a complete character assassination of Alex Mercer.

[01:26:32] And the new character John heller is I hate to say that they had yeah he's very stereotypical and I'm going to leave it at that. I mean I'll take your word for it. Do I have the prototype I might I might have the prototype.

[01:26:49] Bundle I don't I can't remember if I bought it or not let me check. Well while we're still chatting here. Yeah because I think prototype ones biggest complaint was that it looked like a PS2 in which I mean yes. Yeah but that's not a bad thing.

[01:27:07] No I mean the game was still fun. Yeah yeah there it is it's 50 bucks for the two of them. Clues both with other DLCs. So it all adds to the list when it gets cheap all check it out.

[01:27:22] Which yeah like seeing like for some reason Clisto protocols up on here that got hit into a game pass recently.

[01:27:29] Oh so I may actually I was I'm not surprised when when Clisto didn't sell as well as they were wanting didn't review as well as it as they were wanting I'm like oh that's going to hit game pass eventually. Yeah so please play it.

[01:27:42] Yeah yeah and I will I will. There's there's a peo right there on there if you can see it. Yeah stay tuned listeners in the future we'll be doing a review of peo definitive edition.

[01:27:55] Yeah it's 20 bucks which isn't bad but um if there's a big sale and it's like 10 bucks then it's a must grab at that point. Oh yeah so. That got me kind of yelled at us for not liking it might actually.

[01:28:10] I hope you still listening how about you how you doing. Yeah this. Oh boy yeah there's not a lot of stuff going on as far as sales at the moment. Oh impossible layer six bucks. Oh nice. Do you see their remaking ukulele.

[01:28:27] Yeah which I was kind of like okay. You're going to replay Lee which is a cute title. It's a cute title I honestly I thought the sequel was better this month.

[01:28:41] Yeah well apparently the first the the remake of ukulele one it's apparently they're going they're like going back in and fixing all the issues people had with the first one so.

[01:28:52] Well I mean the biggest problem with it was it was a fine game it was just so lifeless. Yeah I mean I mean hey the remake may fix it.

[01:29:01] Yeah wait and see on that yeah that it's one I will be curious to see when it comes out because it's it's interesting to me play tonic hasn't made more like they've done. They did ukulele and then they did the impossible layer.

[01:29:17] And it was very well received and like did pretty well from what I heard which that's the resume even more. Yeah because I think ukulele like it was hyped as hell but it didn't but it didn't hit the way I think they were expecting it to.

[01:29:33] Well I think the big problem was they had because people really wanted another banjo kazui and then it came out and it's like it kind it was very much like banjo kazui but it really kind it was missing a lot of the stuff that made people like banjo.

[01:29:47] Yeah yeah like people wanted it to be a banjo 3 so bad but it just it wasn't going to live up to that expectation.

[01:29:58] No so this is why it didn't happen that way and I think yeah I think people put way too high of expectations on the game itself.

[01:30:06] I'm sure one of these days I'll sit down and play it properly because I'd be curious to the deal but I feel like I need to play banjo 1 and 2 even before I play ukulele so I can have that comparison. Yeah, promise.

[01:30:18] Yeah and then impossible layer looks really cool. It's like it's basically just a keycon country. Yeah I mean a lot of those guys were still there so. But yeah like play tonic oh yeah play tonic they're more of a publisher than a developer really.

[01:30:33] Which is bizarre because they developed their first game but team 17, they'll just two which is. Yeah and then they've to publish stuff like demon turf little gator game so I mean some stuff that's like done decently well so.

[01:30:48] I don't know and yeah ukupro playly it just has PC at now right now they haven't specified consoles. I'm assuming it's going to come to every console. They're probably looking for a publisher was probably the big thing.

[01:31:02] Problem yeah my guess is maybe team 17 doesn't want to jump in on that again. My guess is team 17 is busy like making some other bizarre game like. Team 17 has one of the weirdest fucking like developing histories like I mean they made that.

[01:31:18] awful army men game that will cover at some point. The most recent game is a game called killer frequency. Never heard of it. They made this that other lesu-suit Larry game that I found recently that's apparently really bad. The 361 yeah box office bust.

[01:31:37] Oh yeah that game fucking sucks it's trash. Listeners do you want us to review it for the show? It's like a random side episode because I would be down to play that for the show because it is hot garbage.

[01:31:50] It has the most appropriate name for a game ever because they exactly wanted it ended up being. Yeah okay team 17 they do all the worms games that's what they're known for but then they make all this other weird shit.

[01:32:02] Yeah say I would be down to play that game because I don't think I would play it any other way. Yeah I mean I bought it because it was dirt cheap and I was seeing it you know and then I tried playing it and I'm like oh boy.

[01:32:20] Like I bought both that in Magnicum Laude because they were super cheap but um apparently Magnicum Laude is some people like but nobody likes box office bust. Yeah.

[01:32:31] Magnicum Laude it retain some of the charm of the original is your shoo Larry games where a box office bust has none of it. No they tried to make it like an open world sandbox game like what the fuck you're doing.

[01:32:45] And they put platforming elements in which is just bad platforming too. I put the hell guys. Yeah there's a reason why the creator of the series wants nothing to do with either of those games.

[01:32:57] I don't blame about all but you know it's crazy it was developed by team 17 you know published it. It's some weird publisher. Well the name is fun stuff but it's just a brand name over code masters. The rich thing game guys yeah.

[01:33:17] Yeah well I don't know for racing games but you know. I know them for racing games and making action replay. Try to think what's the code masters game I know that's not a racing game. That's the one I know. I'm looking through there. Thing.

[01:33:36] Overlord that's what it is overlord. That that Pikmin clone. Oh yeah they did the Clive Bunkers Clive Barkers Jericho. On 360 I remember that game you remember that game turning point fall of liberty. That was them.

[01:33:53] Oh yeah they did sort of the I think it was like the the more recent James pawn games. Yeah they've been doing some interesting stuff over there. That's a way to put it. They're just the former one team now. Are they good?

[01:34:12] The former one games were good until EA started publishing. Some of them they started going to shit. Fucking EA man. Oh boy. Yeah they did that operation flash point game. Which has like a really fucking cool name but the game just doesn't match it.

[01:34:29] So operation flash point dragon rising like do that's out to cool. What a metal is fucked man. Yeah then you play it and it's just like a like a C tier Tom Clancy game. Yeah. What can you do?

[01:34:43] But yeah so we've hit about an hour and a half I feel like we've bullshit it enough. I feel like this is probably a good point to a. For like the 10 people who will listen who made it this far. Hey guys I will. We love you. I will.

[01:34:57] I know he's there. He'll be commenting at us on this court about it. He'll be correcting us on some stupid thing that we asked. Yes. Yes. Well let me know if you made it this far. I don't know if you watch as it or just listen see. Probably.

[01:35:15] Okay because if you watched I'd be like what shirt am I wearing right now? But if I say that maybe he'll check the video version so will check the video version. At this time and tell me what shirt am I wearing? Yeah.

[01:35:28] We'll see if he actually does it he probably won't. But yeah but I guess so yes or next week we're going to be playing golf. That'll be fun. Hit in the greens kids we're hitting the links.

[01:35:41] I'm really excited to talk about some of these games but some of them are also kind of like I don't know how much we're going to say about it. Oh, I'm going to find some to say about all of them don't you worry because you know me.

[01:35:53] I like my sports games and golf games are one that I particularly enjoy. So I will I will find something to say about all of these I promise. Yeah, I have to make five separate okay. Let's let's whatever I'm tired. Okay must play okay stay away.

[01:36:13] If they're different enough to I guess. I mean three of them are basically the same game but I won't get to that later. Yeah, look at all these hawkers right here. Look at all these god damn it's going to be it's going to be fucking crazy time.

[01:36:31] It's sitting over here next to my copy of Sonic a six that I didn't beat and my copy of Spire here is tail that fucking doesn't work asshole. That's another story. Yeah, we'll save that for next week.

[01:36:45] But anyways guys once again thanks for joining us on the three-deo experience. The three-deo experience can be found on all your major podcasting platforms. Pick up the Apple and Spotify. You can also find us over at the SuperPod network.

[01:36:58] Be sure to check them out along with a whole bunch of other shows like SuperPod saga, Super Ghost Radio, a novel console, fine time, gaming together just to name a few five for god anybody I'm sorry. Bar silence. Bar silence. The elder trolls. There we go.

[01:37:14] Oh and Friday night game cast right in that game cast. Plus the other GNC shows. I'm not gonna play them. Fuck cares about them. Getting on well. Oh and Retry we have. I think that's everybody. Feel bad of all I forgot somebody.

[01:37:30] Um yeah, but also you can find all of our links at link tree slash the barb who games And other than that guys, praise the dude mire and we'll see you all next time. Bye bye. On a 3-deo system you play with.