Geek Addicts - Episode 34: Pokemon Adventures Part 4: Fire Red/Leaf Green!

[00:00:00] The following is a GenC podcast production. Welcome to Geek Addicts, the Pop Culture Podcast. Hello and welcome to Geek Addicts, the Pop Culture Podcast. We'll be talking about Pokemon and stuff. My name is Matt, all the way to known as Organiz Number 1, with me is Bill.

[00:00:50] Also known as Organiz Number 2, how are you doing? I'm very tired. This has been one of those weeks where it's like, I swear I've been trying to catch up on my sleep all week and it just has not been working. Yeah, sleep is a luxury for me.

[00:01:08] So you, I was doing okay and then like, I didn't get to sleep till like pretty late on a Tuesday because we were recording 3Doh. And then on Wednesday, we did a livestream over with the SuperPod guys. And I was up till midnight talking about the Nintendo Direct.

[00:01:29] So yeah. Yeah, I wanted to jump in on one of those direct things but by the time I noticed it was already like, Yeah, I was already locked in to put the kid down and all that up the stuff. Yeah, I'm sure the idea.

[00:01:45] I did watch it though. I did watch the, well, I watched the, I had never had a direct at least. Yeah. So good stuff. And then the particular, the Cartier Eye as I had from like the Dragon Questory make and stuff.

[00:01:59] Maran Luigi's still alive so that was a, Yeah, that was a huge thing just, I mean, started the freaking the, Comforts off. That was cool. Um, one of my favorite parts is how they like they followed up all these really awesome announcements with some of the most

[00:02:16] LAMIST buzz kill announcements ever. What you're not excited for the Funko pop video game? No. We were also, but heard about that on the, on the live stream that we did. But I mean, honestly, I'd give it a shot. I just, just a big multiverse game.

[00:02:35] It's just Funko pops instead of the actual. Yeah. It looks like such a cash grip. It looks like it looks like, it looks like I've had it. But it's like, it looks like it looks like a cash grab that's like six years to late at this. Yeah.

[00:02:48] Probably longer than that. I feel like I'm, yeah. I'm Funko pops. I mean, there's still everywhere, but I feel like the hype for them that definitely died down. Yeah. I've never seen that in the third direct. I was like, what the hell is this?

[00:03:01] Uh, which actually, I just reminded me a couple weeks ago, I was taken out some trash at work. And in the dumpster, I saw the empty box of an inuya-shapop figure. Someone is good taste. Um. That's funny. That, that you get a kick out of that.

[00:03:20] The other one that we thought was like, what the hell is this? Was the, the Looney tunes like basketball game? We were like, what, like, who asked for this? Like, yeah, I don't know about that one. That, that came out of nowhere.

[00:03:34] That and just dance again that also slowed. That was when I went up to pee during the get the freaking, um, uh, drinking. The Money Tunes movie is so old too. Like, what are they doing making a fucking Money Tunes basketball game now?

[00:03:46] You're way too late on that one. I mean, space GM 2 didn't, didn't save the series. I don't think this game's gonna help for, um, yeah. It was good direct though. A lot of fun stuff. Um, so cool stuff. But I mean, hey, you play Hello Kitty.

[00:04:04] I'm both excited for the, the air direct trilogy remake. Yeah, that's, that's fun. Um, I, bunch of Zelda games that look pretty cool. Um, hmm. Yeah, I think I'm excited about the new Zelda.

[00:04:20] I also pissed everyone off in the call when I did not give a shit of the little or do the rings game. Oh, I, I must have missed that. It was like, uh, it was inspired by something. It had the worst name ever.

[00:04:33] It was like, it was like tales of something and then, which, I know it means it wasn't a tail series game. It just does another game that used tails of in their name. Wow, but um, It was not an actual load of the rings game or what?

[00:04:46] No, it's a load of the rings game. It just has a weird name. No, I must have just walked out at the right time for that. I feel like Xander would have said something now. Weird. Yeah, I remember as I was the buzz killer during the,

[00:05:00] The last year, those like, I don't give a shit of it. He had this and everyone was like, it was like, And I just got the, the coldest looks for everybody, which was hilarious. That's because you're the weird nerd that doesn't like order the rings.

[00:05:12] It's not for everybody. No, I mean, I'm not judging you. I'm just saying, like, I got you already of nerds. Love Lord of the Rings. I got judged hard during that livestream, but that's besides the point. That's fair. Uh, boy.

[00:05:30] Yeah, I, uh, I'm trying to remember last time we recorded it. Did I say that I was like 40 hours into persona? Something, you were past Cajie's dungeon. And no, you just did, um, Micheos, Dungeon the other kid, the, Right, the Detective Prince guy, girl, whatever.

[00:05:50] Oh, no, you hadn't said there. You, you, you, you've done the fake decoy, uh, Kill, like the copy can't kill her. Oh, right, right, right. Yeah, I'm, I made a lot more progress. I'm at like 65 hours now, uh, not a co-execuver covering. Okay. Oh, you're there.

[00:06:09] I jumped, I jumped quite a bit ahead. Did you finish her social link? Uh, I was at like eight. I think, I didn't get it all the way. I tried to, but by the time I got to that point,

[00:06:23] I'm not sure if you get a shot to finish it, so you might have to wait till you Next play through to finish that one, but. Oh, really? Yeah, okay, she's going to be in the hospital for a while, but um, For four months.

[00:06:35] I don't want to say anything because of those spoilers, but um. Hmm. There I go. Now, well, we'll see what happens. You're getting to a very crucial part of the game.

[00:06:48] Let's just, well, not like the fog is just kind of like permanently there and everybody's getting sick and shit. So it's like, the house going on. Yeah, there's a very big scene coming up. That's all I'll say. Yeah, well, I got to get through finals first. Yes.

[00:07:05] In the fog. Yes. But yeah, aside from that, uh, I watched a couple more anime this week. What the hell was the first one? Oh, I watched a door of Hidoro. Oh, nice. Alex, please. Yeah, it was pretty good. It just feels like it was like really busy.

[00:07:30] It was a very busy show for at 13 episode. Yeah, and apparently that doesn't even cover like a third of it. So I believe it. I mean, it was interesting to already know everything. So much going on.

[00:07:42] It's like I had to try and like keep up with what was going on in the world from what Alex tells me. Like getting everything out. Yeah, for what Alex tells me it gets fucking nuts later in the manga.

[00:07:52] I do like how like how much humanizes a lot of the villains and stuff. Like not villains, but like the, you know, the antagonists for like, it's like nobody's like really a true villain. It's just like the source or is the right to be a fool.

[00:08:06] It's kind of, but honestly, the entire anime is kind of nothing but villains when you're really thinking about it. Kind of, yeah. But other than interesting. Like other than maybe Nikita, like she's kind of the true neutral and this whole thing. But yeah.

[00:08:22] Um, yeah, I watched that and I also watched Trygun Stampede. Okay, which is vastly different from the original 90s anime. It's so different that I, if they didn't put the Trygun name on it, I would have thought it was something completely different.

[00:08:38] Did you see the Trygun Re release is getting close to coming out? The, the, the magas. Yeah, the, the, the reprints. Yeah, they're getting the big, like, leather bound volumes. Yeah, they're going to be yellow. So now you get, you get black red and yellow.

[00:08:55] That's so, yellow stick rose color for that. It's like a golden yellowish color. It's interesting. It gets that's better. I feel like red would have made more sense. I mean, I know Helsing already has red, but I mean, they both wear big red coats.

[00:09:09] So I mean, what do you want? Yeah. I mean, I guess you could say yellow because he's blonde, but maybe I know that you're going to have a lot more people buying them and never opening them on their shelves because people do that for some reason.

[00:09:24] Yeah, I don't, I never understood that. I love the phone. I feel like I feel like like a golden brown would have been better for, you know, that's a taste place and like a desert setting.

[00:09:34] That might be the color it is actually being because the renders aren't the best right now, but. But yeah, it was vastly different. Like all the characters were aside from like the main character, like everyone was like completely different.

[00:09:48] Like the main girl from the original anime totally different character. Yeah. Like had the other girl wasn't even in it. Which they set, they set it up so that she's going to be in a second season, but.

[00:10:03] I don't know it's I'm assuming that this is the more accurate version because it's usually how it goes when with reboot enemies, but. I don't know I'd have to read the manga to know for sure, but I enjoyed it. It was just like.

[00:10:19] So vastly different that I didn't even like it didn't feel like I was watching try again. I've heard Alex says she likes that one so I'm pretty sure it's pretty good. Did she watch both of them were just a new.

[00:10:33] Yeah, Alex is big dragon fan. She's been dying for the year at the longer we release this for a while now. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it would probably be wise to me to buy them as they come out. So that way it's just not as.

[00:10:49] Donding because I don't know how many volume there is for the actual series, but. Yeah, the only reason I got the house in one is because it's only three of those Deluxe editions. Yeah.

[00:11:03] Yeah, nothing will ever beat me in my my quest to get all the freaking in New York to business. I've been seeing those that do break comics a lot lately. They keep refringing them but like there's always like the one volume that's just stupidly expensive for a while.

[00:11:20] That's just how it goes with comics and manga though. Yeah, there's always that one that one volume or that one particular issue that's just outrageously more expensive than everything else for whatever reason. Yep.

[00:11:34] I mean, at least manga gets reprinted on a semi regular basement depending on the series like comics like if that goes on at print like you might have to wait like decades before you actually never get slightly reprinted. Yeah. That's true.

[00:11:50] Yeah, I see that I watched a few of those Marvel series like I watched like one division and the Falconwater soldier and Loki the first season of each. Yeah, I heard those are good. I'm just like so marveled out at this point. I understand it will.

[00:12:11] I liked one division the most I think. That's what I thought second. Yes, that's those ones I've heard of the best. I've heard those are good. I've heard the Captain America one with Falcon and Winter Soldier is okay.

[00:12:27] I've heard you know, I just feel like the the the the the sorry. Yeah, the aesthetic of Falconwater soldiers just isn't really my cup of tea. Yeah, I've heard she-hook is bad, but that's. I don't know if that's legitimate like criticism or just like people complaining because complaining.

[00:12:46] Who knows, it's not something I'll ever watch so I have no idea. I'll end up watching it eventually because at this point I'm just kind of. Yeah, you know, just sat on it like yeah.

[00:13:00] At this point they're already gone through all those movies that have got gone through and. At this point I'm closer to the end than I am to the start. So I might as well just keep going.

[00:13:11] Yeah, at this point for me like I'm pretty sure the only vi plan on seeing. Left at this point is. The the Wolverine in a. Bull movie that's probably the only one I really care to see.

[00:13:29] I'm just going to say that's mostly just because I want to just I just want to see Hugh Jack when in the whole. Spend next that's really about it fair enough. Yeah, well, I mean they're also rebooting fantastic for indexmen to be part of the MCU so.

[00:13:54] I mean, I've got to look forward to seeing those how those go. So and they kind of said spider man up to be like they kind of set up spider man to be like Iron Man's like a success or so. Yeah, I have a.

[00:14:08] I have a few of that goes. I think Tony starts going to be back at some point. I mean it's it's it's superheroes so. Even if it ends up just being like an alternate timeline version of Tony star, I'll be back.

[00:14:22] I something tells me rather done, you and your will come back at some point. Hmm. They can never stay away that long. No, no, got out. I. I'm interested to see how because I know the the the newest door movie happens before guardians three.

[00:14:43] Or at least it came up with our guardians three. So I'm curious because I mean use our endgame right. Yeah, that's that's the last one I did see well that and I saw the spider man. Double moment all the spider men.

[00:15:01] Yeah, yeah, because with the way the end game. Finish is off where door goes off with the guardians like I'm curious to see what becomes of that. Yeah, I don't know. I'm just I'm so burned down on these movies. Understandable.

[00:15:22] Although I definitely say like you should definitely give one division and low key a shot because they're pretty good. True although committing to a show is harder, especially when I have like enemies that I have also have to commit to.

[00:15:37] True but they're like many series they're pretty short like I watched. Like those three that I watched I watched one a day so it wasn't it wasn't too. Yeah, maybe someday. Maybe one day when you're you're sourness on Marvel has faded a bit.

[00:15:59] It's not Marvel it's super here movie it's just super early stuff in general. That's fair. I'd say DC but DC can't seem to figure out how to do anything right now. movie movie in a TV wise at the moment comics they're actually doing pretty good. That's really different.

[00:16:17] Yeah, yes. Yep, I was going to say speaking of comics and media and manga we're doing another Pokemon adventures. This episode if you couldn't tell by the intro. Yeah. Anyone who hasn't read this actually would be really confused by my intro. Yeah.

[00:16:43] So yeah, we're finally jumping back into Pokemon adventures. I think actually this is the quickest we've jumped back into it since the last episode. Well, this one was a lot easier to get through and prepare for because there's only three volumes. True.

[00:17:01] So those who don't know we're covering the fire red and leaf green arc this time around which is. We're so last arc we finished up Ruby and Sapphire, which was a completely whole new world.

[00:17:14] We're all this this time we're going right back to where we started with the by red leaf green following red blue and green once again. Yep, and just to at the top here I just want to say I read it towards the beginning.

[00:17:29] Of the week and I did this is the first one I think we're didn't take any notes so I'm just kind of going up off the dome on this one. Okay, I read it last night. So that's fair. Fresher with you.

[00:17:42] Oh, I mean, you might remember more because for some reason I I am terrible remembering what goes on in these Pokemon mongas. It's it's a pretty busy manga is a lot going on in each even with the shorter arcs is a lot going on.

[00:17:56] Yeah, that was like that was the big thing I noticed right away because like Ruby and Sapphire is busy but it was also a lot easier to follow. This one I was like, oh we're back to a we're back to golden silver again with convoluted everything.

[00:18:11] Yeah, okay, because there was multiple points during this where I was just like what the fuck is going on. No, um, overtly obvious but shots though that I remember no there was but it was red was red was red.

[00:18:24] Oh, you remember the scene where like he standing up there and just like his undershirt and I'm just like like why did y'all a motor have to define his ass so much.

[00:18:35] So you know what was funny isn't that scene where he was where he would just had the undershirt for some like the way he was dressed or mad at me so much of like you.

[00:18:42] You can you know, yeah kind of I was just like laughing when I got to that scene where I was just like, oh so y'all my motors not not being creepy with the girls he's just a butt guy in general. Yep, which you know fair.

[00:18:57] Yeah, it's not as creepy this time because they're like older than not like 12. Well yeah, so yeah, times skip they're all 16 and right off the bat I will say arts art wise young and motors are I think is finally really hitting its peak like stride at this point.

[00:19:16] Yeah, he's definitely really settled into it at this point because I love the way how he drew red blue and green they all look like they actually look older which I think is really.

[00:19:28] Nice touch because like I hate the I hate him like media where it's like oh yeah, three years have passed but they look identical to they did at the start of the series. Yeah, you're like how greens remake outfit was like gifted to her by silver.

[00:19:44] Yeah, that was a nice touch like as much as I like her previous design like little black dress I much prefer the her redesign which is essentially they gave her.

[00:19:56] The female protagonist from fire red and leaf greens design which is like the red skirt blue shirt white hat design. Yeah, which is just a good as a works for oh yeah I mean well technically that's the care they have the same character technically so it works perfectly.

[00:20:15] I did admit though there was a few points like where she's getting like flung upside down at points and I'm just like oh she's got magic skirt syndrome because it doesn't move at all.

[00:20:24] Yeah, like there's a point where she's held like directly upside down and it's just like perfectly stuck on like they must have gone extra hard on the starch. Is that thing wasn't. Yeah, no kidding.

[00:20:39] That was that was a nice I would make I would make the excuse that it was happening between panels but my god artists always call attention to it if it's gonna happen. Yeah, I didn't enjoy that though I will admit.

[00:20:55] The characters have definitely matured personality wise because green is significantly more mature in this arc ironically she goes through some fucking more hell in the sarcvent I think anyone does. No kidding she's still got some sticky fingers though.

[00:21:10] Well, I mean she'll never lose every aspect of her character. Sure that is kind of like her stick. Ironically the one scene that happens she's like super casual about and she's just kind of like a little joke but they don't even know much.

[00:21:26] They're like yeah, she's just being her whatever I say before we get into the plot though I will say I was not really expecting red to go through a wank start in this in this so arc but my god he was so much so angsty like whiny for like a good portion of this.

[00:21:46] Yeah, what I mean I kind of get wanted to kind of give him a little. Development arc because he was such like a vanilla character in his original arc. I think I like pretty much every appearance he had since he was just so like oh I'm the hero.

[00:22:02] True I mean he still has more personality than like ash or like game red which isn't saying a lot but it is still something.

[00:22:12] I will say though like it was just such a the arc would have been fine if they didn't end it in such a like like psych like kind of like a.

[00:22:23] Ruggable right at the end true but I mean you I don't know if you read further because I know you said you kind of started the emerald arc but I didn't get far enough really learn anything. I got you.

[00:22:39] Well, I mean the the way it ended yeah it is definitely kind of like a rug pole but it's it's also kind of setting up for like the big finale for like the big.

[00:22:48] Oh I'm not talking about the manga and how the arc ended I'm talking about how like the reds hole like aches like many the arc. Oh it was just like surprises yeah it was such a like surprise that was meeting with but.

[00:23:04] True yeah what they were on the x plane what his deal was it's just like it was like really it's like.

[00:23:12] I mean it's kind of convoluted but it fits right into the vein of Pokemon so yeah it wasn't quite as bad as Ruby pull in the cell would be out of his ass but like it was still just like come on.

[00:23:24] True I will I do I will admit like we are I'm starting to notice a few some some recurring themes with a Katsuka where.

[00:23:33] He'll sometimes write something very ambitious and then he'll just last second be like now done with this and just like kind of throw it away I'll be like okay. Yeah so with this arc because we're returning to.

[00:23:47] You know previous characters and stuff like I know we usually start these things but it's like kind of going through the characters and we feel but each one but there's not very many new ones in this really. It's really isn't really any.

[00:23:59] I think it's just those those three team rocket. Yeah the guys the three points of villains of this arc. There's like the only really new character is aside from like green's parents who like I don't even know if they have a line throughout the whole thing.

[00:24:15] No yeah let's talk let's so let's get into that like so this. This arc is interesting because it kind of so the last thing we had seen was right at the end of the Ruby and Sapphire arc we got the quick cliffhanger sport of.

[00:24:32] Like basically the hard open of Giovanni returns and we kind of jump from there where it's like we're now like.

[00:24:43] The whole thing is like oh the game's going back to Palatown for like the first time in years and they're all adults now kind of 16 by Pokemon standards anyways.

[00:24:53] And I forget like how it doesn't it we start right away with the silver gives green the her new outfit and she talks about how she's finally going to meet her parents after all this time. And as she's getting on the boat back to a. Kento um.

[00:25:20] Some strange things start happening yeah. I forget was she attacked on the boat or wasn't like when they were getting there so it was they were on the boat but it was right when they were getting back to the. Right when they were about to dock.

[00:25:40] Um she starts like getting attacked by like this invisible force and she ends up. Putting on her. Silph scope and it reveals that it's a deoxys civil things. And during this encounter like she gets essentially like I can choke out and her silph scope gets destroyed.

[00:26:05] And in the process also her parents get kidnapped like right at right from under. Yeah, they get sucked into like a black hole or something. Yeah. Well, it's your car. Um.

[00:26:23] But yeah, they get sucked into like a black hole and she's like kind of freaked out about it. And it's like again, it's like the hospital or something. Yeah, because she was like because basically like a red green red and blue.

[00:26:35] I'm going to get confused on the names because they're different in Japan versus America and it gets confusing like that. So red and blue show up and they immediately kind of start the they go into save the day essentially, but I got to say they're like.

[00:26:53] What is the universe have out like against leaf. I'm not leaving that green at this point.

[00:27:00] I don't know. I mean, it just I mean you can't say the same about silver as well because it seems like everything just with both of them. It just keeps piling and piling true.

[00:27:10] With green though, it's like oh she's finally happy. She's got a finally meter pair is it's like nope, just like rip that up from under. Yep. Yeah, that was pretty rough. Oh, we should also mention before that.

[00:27:27] When red and blue first return to a Palatown, they're instructed to go to a professor, Oaks lab because they need their turn in their pogeydexes. Yeah, for and unknown reason.

[00:27:41] Yeah, it comes off as very sinister like they're being taken away. It's such a like nobody's worthy of them. And it's also shown that green had given hers away as well when she had stopped by to visit the professor. Yeah. So,

[00:27:59] Basically this arc starts off and there's a lot of shit going on right away. It's already kind of like,

[00:28:05] the funny part about this which something that the series kind of adapted later on but because the arcs all have different names like you think that these could be different jumping in points, but if you jump into here, you're going to be so confused it's not even funny.

[00:28:22] Oh, yeah. Because the elements from like pretty much every previous arc at this point.

[00:28:27] Yeah, even Ruby and Sapphire to a minor degree like they're so much shit going on and it's like, I hope you've been paying attention this whole time because we're getting to the end gain of this ongoing story in my god there's a lot of shit. Oh, yeah.

[00:28:44] And it will become even more so in the following arc too which is the final of the, I guess like the original storyline. Yeah, before they started serializing it more. Mm-hmm. So,

[00:29:02] if we could, did we get attacked at the professor Oak's lab or was it like when they were on the way to the semi islands? It was when they were on their way to the semi islands, I believe. Mm-hmm. Okay.

[00:29:18] So yeah, they got attacked by a deoxys and get completely destroyed like no chance you guys just got back. There's a great pit panel of them.

[00:29:30] It's red blue and then they have Charizard and Venusoro and then like the ox is just fucking wrecked their shit and just the faces on Charizard and Venusoro.

[00:29:39] Right, so they have this look of pure shock as like the land in between them is just obliterated and they're like, yeah. Crazy. That was not good.

[00:29:51] So is this around the point where they run into a lore like, oh no, they had the, they ran into that weird ultima. Ultima, the, the gypsyish kind of woman.

[00:30:04] Um, yeah, the weird old lady who um, she's the, in the game would have been the one who teaches like the super powerful like starter attacks. So like yeah, Fredsey plant, Blasburn and Hydrocan.

[00:30:21] Hydrocan and although there is an interesting line where it's implied that the trainers kind of created them themselves because there's a point where later on we find out that green kind of developed Hydrocan and herself. Which interesting.

[00:30:36] I like that the manga does put through kind of like plays around with liberties like that. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and the way they went through the whole process of learning those moves is really interesting too.

[00:30:48] Well, yeah, because they had um, they pit red and blue against each other again even though it's like they've already reached there like piece at this point. Yeah, for sure. Um, but they kind of do like a. Well you, you watched the very beginning of hunter hunter right.

[00:31:06] Yeah, it was, it was kind of like the way like the different phases of the hunter exam went where they had to fight like there's like they'd have do like the first stage like on a conveyor belt situation, but they had to jump rope the whole way.

[00:31:22] And I figured what the second one was, but they basically had to do all these little like tasks down this conveyor belt that was going the opposite way.

[00:31:30] And then at the end of it, they had to fight each other and they still ended up tying, which was interesting, which was pretty actually fitting for them. Mm-hmm.

[00:31:39] And by the end, all of them is like, well, it's great that you tied it all, but I still can only pick one of you. Yeah.

[00:31:47] And of course, I just want to think they were kind of suspicious of her because they didn't know if she was like related to the deoxys and sit in to whatever. I mean, she's kind of suspicious. Yeah, she is.

[00:31:58] But they get to the end of like the the path or whatever and they see her. Supposedly being attacked by deoxys and then that it also afterwards seems like maybe their friends.

[00:32:11] They're like, oh, so you were the villain after all, which is like no actually this isn't deoxys. It's actually green's dido that tack along for some reason. Yeah. Yep. Because green's dido just has to fuck with people like that has been since the beginning.

[00:32:28] I mean, it's like it's master. So true. But yeah, so red ends up learning the move, but in the next scene, we're actually reintroduced to a. More a lie returns. Which I thought was cool bringing back another member of the elite forks.

[00:32:48] And we saw a little bit of landstern like the golden silver arc, but like aside from that, Like we really haven't seen any of the original. Delete four members. I like Laura like coming back to because she just fucking disappears after the original like Gen one anyways. Mm-hmm.

[00:33:05] And I like they gave her a bit more like personality overall because like. It's interesting seeing her interact with red now because considering she's the one that froze him in the original arc. Yeah, for sure. Kind of makes me with a Sabrina within this arc too.

[00:33:21] And I mean, red needs more pitches this women. Especially since the brain is one of the few people who is still loyal to team rocket. Yeah. Kind of forgot the hints that was still an arc.

[00:33:36] Now, so I also did like the fact that they kind of revealed Laura lies from the semi islands or the. All the different islands. Yeah, which I pretty sure was in the game. I haven't played fire and we created forever so I couldn't tell you.

[00:33:51] But it's been a long time, but I feel like I remember bumping into Laura lie on this heavy islands because you can't go there until after you beat the elite for true. True. True. I feel like they did just pull that strip from the game.

[00:34:04] But I like how like they use that as a way to say, okay, like here's Laura lie. Yeah, she was a villain before but now like you know, she's defending her home.

[00:34:14] So they have a reason to kind of team up and you know put the pass behind them. Which is which is nice.

[00:34:19] I will say being a villain in this universe seems to be just like a right of passage because it seems like everyone's a villain at one point or another. Yeah, well, seems like there are a few people who just kind of.

[00:34:33] Just stay that way like Giovanni like he's got his own issues obviously as we have seen and yeah, he does kind of have his good points which we will see later in this arc but.

[00:34:49] Like with the first time we see Giovanni in this arc is when he like absolutely wrecks this gang of bikers that are chasing lost out if you remember her. From fire at the screen.

[00:35:00] And he just completely wrecks all these bikers and he just like, well, if you're going to be evil do it all the way assholes. Yeah, he's just a smug dick the entire time. Yeah. Also this is this is also the arc we're silver finally gets old the chief.

[00:35:17] And he's his dead. Yeah, which was up on reveal. Also what the heck was up with that outfit they put him in. Y'all the motor was just bored again. It's not normal.

[00:35:28] He was watching Dragon Ball was like, hey, shoulder pads he started designing it and he just never stopped. Yeah, for real. Yeah, because after he finds out that they're like, it's the air to T ev rocket and he gets this weird fucking outfit.

[00:35:42] He's like, what the fuck is he wakes up? Is he wakes up? He's like, no, we're not doing that. Fuck you guys. Fuck this. But he keeps the outfit the entire time. Like, I don't like our. Yeah, for real. Um, that's too funny.

[00:35:58] This this might sound a little disjointed to anyone listening but this arc honestly is kind of disappointed in all over the place.

[00:36:06] Yeah, and to be honest, like I said, I didn't take notes so I'm kind of just jumping around to why I remember trying to stay on track as much as I can. But that's what the most bits.

[00:36:15] That's like the thing like it'll jump to like it'll jump to like a red and blue and then also we'll go back to green and then it will go back to green and then it will go back to red and blue.

[00:36:23] And then suddenly we're with yellow in a back in canto and she's like getting harassed by a blues hologram. Um, oh yeah, that was the thing wasn't it.

[00:36:33] Yeah, because she's chilling at a really insane gym and then suddenly like blue just appears behind her and it's a hologram. And I do like that she also doesn't have her hat on feel like the first half so she's kind of ex she's just like being normal again.

[00:36:48] Yeah, well, that means she doesn't really have a reason to hide it anymore. I mean, the only person she wanted to hide from at that point was red and he already knew it.

[00:36:55] So she didn't really have a reason to hide it to be kidding with it was just green being green. True.

[00:37:01] But I know we're kind of like bad Jack and a little bit but I love how we had the whole thing where cream is like hey, like pretend your boy until you can take advantage of the fact that you're a girl.

[00:37:14] So they're like, well, she's like 15 now and she still looks exactly the same. So yeah, for yellow barely aged me more like the rest of the cast all like straight up like age three years and actually looks it.

[00:37:27] But I love that we still had that same moment if silver looking at her being like you're older than me. Yeah, I love silver's characterization in the manga. He's like so much more interesting than his game counterpart. For real.

[00:37:42] Also, I was surprised to surprise the silver's the only golden silver character that shows up. There will be more than next arc.

[00:37:53] That's what I figured it was weird to be on because I figured they all kind of converge but I guess that's they're saving that for the ending. Well, it makes sense in context because if you're going to have like any of the golden silver people being involved.

[00:38:07] And I can achieve on his already in the arc it kind of has to be silver true. I do want to say though like one we should probably let's talk about a reds aches arc here so like throughout the whole like.

[00:38:21] Saviyle and stuff like red is just getting progressively more and more depressed like throughout the arc. Yeah, I think that is the answer to one to then he just like kind of get super buttered about it.

[00:38:32] Well, he's super hung up about the polky dex is being taken away. And like just is like bother him the entire time to the point where he like lashes out at both blue and green at one point which is completely add a character for red. Yeah.

[00:38:49] And like he just goes through this entire like thing where he's all like this bomb for no reason. And then we find out that. It gets revealed that oh yeah by the way, the polky dex is weren't being taken away because you weren't worthy.

[00:39:03] They were being taken away because Professor Oak wanted to upgrade them. Yeah, he just got kidnapped before he could do it.

[00:39:10] Yes, he got kidnapped and they didn't get the full story so it was just it annoyed me that it's like his whole reason for being depressed is that it's like oh no it was a misunderstanding. You're just being weird.

[00:39:20] I mean, like for being totally honest like a lot of the things that happened in this arc could have easily been avoided if the characters had just done the obvious thing.

[00:39:28] Like if red had just opened up greens envelope and like oh, here's the focus of upgrades that we weren't told about. Yeah, in the fact that they were just there the entire time. It was like great. And then like I know we're kind of jepa forward but like.

[00:39:43] Like the whole dry for Giovanni doing all of this was so he could use the access to find his lost son. Which yes people is fighting no him. So I just all I had to do is show the picture and say hey, if you see this kid.

[00:39:59] Oh yeah, we don't hand me lives in Jodo like.

[00:40:03] And so then after that the red eventually does get his like wits back and he like starts being like all right, I have to do this thing and he basically like goes into this weird like self sacrifice mode where he's all like I'm going to do this save everybody.

[00:40:17] Which was bizarre like I'm like red is going through a weird character my arc right now. Yeah, no kidding. Also did he have to be sure list for that entire thing. He didn't have to be sure unless y'all the motor wanted him to be sure list though.

[00:40:33] Well, look we already had two full arcs with him not taking a shirt off. He was dude. Yeah, I was just like I'm like his shirt wasn't even wrecked he just takes it off and I'm like okay I guess he's shirt was now the rest of this arc.

[00:40:47] Well no he he because of the ship was crashing. And he used his shirt to like tie the. Yes, like the steering wheel for the airship you like pull it back so that they were pointing up like everything.

[00:41:05] So he kind of like tied it on to that and tied it back so it would be pulled back while he was doing other things. Right. Another word to y'all the motor just wanted to rock him.

[00:41:18] You're at list I guess pretty much I'm sure you could have worked up that out. I mean he had we didn't bring this up yet, but mute who shows up and she's like hey red. Oh yeah let's do this.

[00:41:30] You need to do show up and he's a bro for most of the arc which is pretty fun. Yeah, it's awesome.

[00:41:35] And I love that mute is just like you know it red like you're one of only like two people I trust so we're going to we're going to hang out we're going to do this. We're going to team up. I'm going to talk to you and nobody else.

[00:41:46] There's actually going to say like all the previous arcs had like a bunch of like female fan service. This one is straight up all male fan service. It was due. He just flipped the switch. Yeah, for sure.

[00:42:01] Also just trying to eat all mute is did you read all of mute's lines at Dan Green's voice? No I read him in the guy from the movies voice. Best Dan Green. No not in the original movie. Yeah that was totally Dan Green. No it's a different guy.

[00:42:18] There's a whole mystery behind it. What? I swear to God that because I remember specifically here in that saying that's you. You've been mode. No so Dan Green did it later on the see the voice from the movie returns. Yes he let's find his name.

[00:42:39] Why isn't mute your top built? What is this shit? It was Philip Barlett. What? That's wild. So that was a mystery for year. His actual name is apparently a. Okay so Philip Barlett is a pseudonym. Oh yeah. We're off the rails here but the story is bizarre.

[00:43:00] So Philip Barlett is actually his stage name. His real name is Jay Geode. And he is a good to wait better name. Yeah but they all use their names. They use stage names for their stuff like that.

[00:43:13] So he is a Broadway actor and that's why he has that very. He's been like imposing voice. He kind of distanced himself from this after for years. Well because he went under. Philip Barlett everyone thought that was his name and there was actually another actor named Philip Barlett

[00:43:36] who had passed away and there was a lot of people that were like. Act doing tributes for the scuffer the guy and then people realized that's not actually him. Wow. That's wild. I always thought it was Dan Green. No, Dan Green replaced him for all the other appearances.

[00:43:53] Okay. Because I don't think I think it was only this the one follow up. Like TV movie and I don't think there was any others. At least until they like until Pokemon left wasn't part of four kids anymore and they recast everybody. Hmm. So um.

[00:44:12] Believe they're not there actually was a. There was a stage show called Pokemon live that ran in the 2000s. In the one appearance that Mewtwo made throughout that thing. J. Geo actually did the voice in like one of his the only other appearance he did which is interesting.

[00:44:30] That's wild. Yeah, that that's the voice though I always associate with the Mewtwo. Okay. It's fair. I watched a lot of I watched Mewtwo return a lot though when I was a kid so. Makes sense why I just defaulted to Dan Green. I like those.

[00:44:48] I don't know if you've watched it but it always confused because technically the the the first movie is called Mewtwo strikes back. Yeah, that was yeah. And then the sequel is good to return. It's like wait a minute. Like yeah, Maybe they just inspired by Star Wars.

[00:45:07] I don't know. Maybe. Um. But yeah, so Mewtwo's there chillin. Um, he's he's still like fused with blame because blame doesn't really appear.

[00:45:18] No, because remember in the golden silver arc and to use his like healing fire to like burn off whatever we your shingles thing that plain had going on. Right. Kind of like severed the connection. So no, Mewtwo's just chillin.

[00:45:35] Yeah, not Mewtwo's just freeing could just go about and that's apparently how we learned how to speak people's health. Helobathically. Yeah. Because he had more freedom. I don't know. He's around people less than now he could talk to people more. Makes sense of that. Makes perfect sense.

[00:45:52] Um, yes. So what's happened next here? I know green eventually reunites with her parents because they also find professor oak. Um, in that weird like shadow realm thing.

[00:46:07] And yeah, it was like a it was like a big building and they had like this super computer with an eye because of course we had one of those in last hours. We got to have one on this one. Yeah.

[00:46:19] And I swear to god that the little guy that like was like the tech guy for team rocket. Like he looks like price doesn't he? Like he looks like he's prices kid kind of. Also Bill was here this whole time I forgot. He doesn't really do anything though.

[00:46:38] Hey, he's around. He's there to he was fixing the the Pokemon system again. Yes, he was there just he was there just to be there.

[00:46:49] Um, yeah, but there's like this whole like nice reunion green finally gets to meet her parents but then immediately they all have to basically set off on their next. Their next battle basically because that's what they as. Pokie decks holders that's basically what they have to do. Hmm.

[00:47:07] So they like immediately set out and. Was this after Giovanni got like injured and. Quote unquote bodily injured or is this before that. Oh, Giovanni that doesn't have to play at the very end. Okay, that's that's what I'm thinking. Um.

[00:47:26] Yeah, I don't know we kind of let's keep around a bunch of stuff but I mean it's such a weird arc. Yeah, it's it's very. It's setting up a lot of stuff but it doesn't do the best job of exploiting why.

[00:47:41] Yeah, I mean it's fun and entertaining don't get me wrong. It's not bad. It's just kind of all over the place. But I mean that's kind of just part of the course for for Pokemon adventures at this point. Yeah, this one feels very abrupt though.

[00:47:55] That's that's my biggest complaint with it like I wish they did more with the characters because I feel like.

[00:48:06] I feel like with the three of them they've had so much time to develop but we barely get any like one on one time with them because like any time that they're. On screen essentially something else has to happen or some other characters in the way.

[00:48:24] Yeah, well I mean we kind of got a fair amount of like one on one time in the first arc. Like when they were just kind of doing that the traveling around and doing their own thing. True.

[00:48:38] I just would have liked to see more like what they've been up to and like how they're they've changed because. It's clear that they're all very different now like they grown up significantly but.

[00:48:50] The story is kind of just in this like we got to go go kind of mentality that you really don't have enough time to really sit down and take everything in.

[00:48:59] Yeah, oh we didn't mention that like right at like a weird like six cents when it comes to the access. Yeah, he like kind of like uses with like one of the deoxys forms like mentally and like they. Go through this whole thing at one point.

[00:49:16] Yeah, well basically like what happens is every time deoxys shows up red can kind of feel it coming every time in like a way that ain't ever covered anything else.

[00:49:27] And later once we actually learn what everything's going like what deoxys is whole deal is well first of all. And so the deoxys was created because somebody shot a laser beam in this base.

[00:49:41] I don't know if you shot the laser beam but somebody shot a laser beam in this face and then a meteor fell down from the sky and then Giovanni found that meteor was like hey. Let's make a Pokemon with this. Makes sense.

[00:49:56] And somehow put reds blood in it. So now he said that he like kind of just like. So yeah, he did just kind of steal it after they had their battle. No, it's bizarre.

[00:50:26] Anyway Pokemon you know as the kind of a different deoxet of that will happen to me too. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, because like the whole like you to it a lame thing was bizarre. This one was just kind of like they could just talk I guess.

[00:50:53] Yeah, I did kind of like if he's going back. They were just don't think of YouTube being like like oh yeah, I think that we powerful Pokemon that just kind of like that's his basic thing else.

[00:51:06] But he can all use the shirt in my time or else I'll sell. Yeah, but then they're being a plot poems are because mute too. Just all pumped up because it's like great. I can fight without a time limit. This is awesome.

[00:51:21] Yeah, I don't understand the Pokeball and just watch anymore. Yeah. So yeah, um, this is the part that I'm kind of gray on because they know they did the whole. They rescued greens parents and friends are oak and then they chased after the airship.

[00:51:43] And I think at this point we're red and you too have the battle with Giovanni at the office. Yes, I believe so. Which is actually pretty cool. Like I like the whole concept of like yeah, they're having their their rematch after five years.

[00:51:59] And now they're both using incredibly powerful legendary Pokemon. Yeah, no that was cool. Like it's cool to see Red is grown as a trainer. I will say the one thing that I kind of was bummed by with this arc is the fact that.

[00:52:14] There's not a lot of interaction between the characters and their Pokemon this time around. Yeah, that's true.

[00:52:24] Like they kind of just are used more as tools than actual like creatures and they like other than like that one panel early on of like charizard and be to sort of like showing a bunch of personality. They're really not super present this arc.

[00:52:40] Well, when you figure out how little time they kind of have to tell the story they want to tell it kind of makes sense that they would kind of pass over a lot of those. Those kinds of characterizations, I suppose.

[00:52:54] But I mean there was also just a lot going on and I know they had to have Red's angst seen as they had to have. Greens trauma and silver is existential crisis. It blus just here.

[00:53:13] And blues why he had a little bit of like a freak out because when preso was captured. It was such a like tacked on thing it was like. Like the real thing everybody's like having these existential crisis and blues just there he's like all right.

[00:53:30] Yeah, it's weird that ultimately. Yeah, for sure. They ultimately. Red ended defeating Giovanni. There's there's a really interesting scene where like Giovanni is this this where Giovanni gets knocked out or is this. Is that I think. Deoxys.

[00:53:59] If I remember right yeah, because silver got taken up onto the ship so he was on the ship to that's when you got put in that weird outfit. Yeah, and then. Red.

[00:54:08] Basically like you know I had the understanding with the oxes and decided to start working together, even though he just technically Giovanni spoke one so. And he had the oxes transport everybody else off the ship and then it dumped silver and Giovanni into a literal like.

[00:54:27] Mass of fire. Yes, but then. Drop them into like the middle of a forest fire and. Giovanni was actually really badass in the scene because silver was out cold and Giovanni wasn't and Giovanni just kind of like stood in the flames holding silver up above the flames.

[00:54:47] Like the kind of keep them safe, which is what I mentioned earlier about how Giovanni kind of shows that he does have some good. Um qualities. Yeah, this there is a good person buried under in all that big head basically pretty much. Um.

[00:55:06] Which I did like that scene a lot that was I was really really fun scene and then kind of like afterwards when. When silver is kind of having his whole moment about you know he tells everybody that Giovanni's is dad and.

[00:55:20] How he's all set about it and all this stuff but then a blue kind of has like you know moment with him and talks and down and like says it looked like.

[00:55:29] You know he sucks, but he still your dad and you know he has some good in him obviously or he wouldn't have bothered trying to protect you we wouldn't have gone through all this to try and find you.

[00:55:42] You know he's he's a good trainer he's you know wanted to pass on what he's learned as a gym leader to the next generation like he has. He has things about them that are good and it's just he's just an awful master.

[00:55:55] Yeah, like you can have his good qualities and still be better. And you know silver kind of comes in terms of that. But he wasn't really nice. Yeah, it wasn't nice.

[00:56:09] It was a nice little sister ending especially since the last time blue and silver were in the same room together blue tried to arrest him. Yeah that did happen. We'd have blue had to be the voice of reason on this one.

[00:56:23] And he's just read his so characteristically confused in this episode in this arc. Yeah, I we didn't mention that there was 2 deoxices. You're not I'm not going to lie reading it. I did not notice that now.

[00:56:40] I'm going to use you to do about it. That's why it's the world of the whole thing at the beginning. Yeah, this arc was not very clear. Well, he made it like jibana made it seem like because the initial attack like the deoxices that attacked.

[00:56:58] Green was different from the one that attacked red like that first attack on green and her parents was the first deoxices which Giovanni claimed died. But by the end the other deoxices went to go find it. So apparently it's alive. Yeah, I was so lost by this point.

[00:57:23] But along story short there was two of them and the one that we saw the most in this one was for again is a number two as it's referred to. Okay, but yeah, it was bizarre.

[00:57:39] But yeah by the end they all got turned just down because yeah that ending is bizarre.

[00:57:44] And so it's like they're all just like flash of light happens. And then it's show I love the like look of shock on everyone's faces and then it just cuts over to basically all the protagonists from the first two books minus old and crystal just stone.

[00:58:01] Well, you know, as I was reading at this time, I have a feeling that a lot of the story happened the way it did because when they did the original red and blue arc. The first movie hadn't come out yet.

[00:58:18] And then when they said, oh, we have a chance to do more red and blue stuff like because they I don't know if you noticed that they implemented a lot of stuff from the original movie like true they had mute mute. Me too is like mexu thing.

[00:58:34] Yeah, I guess we're like power suppressing armor.

[00:58:38] The whole concept of the protagonist getting turned this down, you showed up at one point true and they even mentioned Mr. Fuji on point two so like they had a bunch of elements from the first movie even though it was a completely different story true.

[00:58:57] I think a lot of it just came from them wanted to do movies stuff true. I think another thing to is like, because this is the first retread like game adoption. I'm not sure they fully understood like exactly what they wanted how they were going to handle those.

[00:59:15] So they kind of this was their first attempt and I feel like they. Kind of rushed it to a degree true, but I mean the next attempt to sell even more rush because that's only two volumes. Yeah, they're on the bigger side though.

[00:59:37] True, although the third one I miss one was pretty big too. That was like yeah to a the way the way the Pokemon manga volume sizes are all over the place but yeah, but the first emerald volume is like super small yeah it's bizarre.

[00:59:58] I will say that so before we give final thoughts, I want to say things I liked. I really liked in between each like chapter they would do like a profile highlighting one of the characters.

[01:00:12] Yeah, and then at the next chapter they'd show their team like the first half of their team and then the next half of their team and then the next half of their team. Yeah, give them little updates.

[01:00:23] And it was cool because you'd look at their team and they'd like to see it give you their level and it would tell you like what's been going on like or if they added a new Pokemon.

[01:00:31] Well, when they got it that was neat I like I like stuff like that it was the only real Pokemon personality we got in this arc. Yeah, I did like I did like that.

[01:00:47] They call the tension to yellow and how like yellow's Pokemon levels very with how pissed off she is. Yeah, that was interesting too. Which is kind of funny because it had a lot of like.

[01:01:05] It reminded me a lot of like the sand saga in Jagabalzi where like they kept relying on like the readings for this encounter. And yeah, like no actually we can get stronger than that which actually is really funny too because.

[01:01:21] We didn't mention the team rocket head kidnapped from a certain hook in the first place because they wanted to steal the poke access or they could recreate them and make like evil poke an exes. Yeah, which they were using the whole time.

[01:01:43] There's a lot going on in this arc. Yeah, that's why I'm sure it was like. Final thoughts like I like the art. I like the new character designs. I like where they were going with them.

[01:01:56] I just feel like this arc really needed a couple more volumes and like more better pacing. Because the pacing's all over the place like it. Yeah, literally jumps from place to place to place like even worse than ending the golden silver did. For sure.

[01:02:19] If anything, I think my final thoughts are I found this arc kind of disappointing not it's not bad it's just like compared to like Ruby and Sapphire which a number yeah Ruby and Sapphire which is such a great arc like overall. Yeah, this one just felt.

[01:02:37] Just disappointing because I really wanted to see more of like red blue and green journey and we really didn't have enough time to see any of it because they basically got the rusting to this adventure and then turned to stone. True, but I mean we.

[01:02:52] I understand where you're coming from and I definitely agree, but at the same time we kind of already got there like big like.

[01:03:00] Development story from the first two arcs true I think the problem is what they replace what they tried to replace that with just wasn't nearly as interesting.

[01:03:14] No, definitely I'm way there I definitely think this is one of the weaker ones out of the ones they've covered so far yeah it's disappointing because I was kind of looking forward to it just because I like the aesthetic so much. Me too.

[01:03:26] I'd say overall I probably I guess it's not bad I'd give it maybe a six maybe a six point five. I yeah I'd say I gave it us a low seven high six. You can remember though my scores were very generous from the other arcs.

[01:03:44] It's definitely not to say that this arc is bad it's just it didn't measure up to the others. It is definitely the weakest so far though. For sure, especially considering how good Ruby and Sapphire was.

[01:04:00] I think part of it too is because we didn't have any new characters I feel like part of what makes the book one of Benches, Margaret so good. As a whole.

[01:04:09] Is that every time a new arc starts we get a whole new set of characters and we didn't get that this time and I feel like that kind of just set us up for disappointment.

[01:04:19] Yeah like to me like the biggest thing was like there was really nothing new this arc feels very much like a placeholder like this this arc could have just been a movie. Yeah or it has a movie would have been fine you know but.

[01:04:39] I think it's still very old over the place but yeah it could get some constant places but if it was you know set up and movie format I feel like it would have been better. Yeah. Yeah. I am looking forward to Emerald though because at least.

[01:05:00] I've heard mixed things but at least I know there is new characters and different ideas to play with here so you started a little bit right. I saw that our new character and I'm not sure how I feel about him.

[01:05:12] Yeah it's kind of like general consensus is design why wasn't it why wasn't it walley I just don't get it.

[01:05:19] Well I mean walley's has already his own character so I know they have to have that to have the character that's named after the game that's just the thing they went with.

[01:05:31] Yeah well we'll save that though for next time where we wrap up the original Pokemon Adventures storyline. With the Emerald arc probably not right away but we will be getting to that probably sooner than later. Yeah cause like like this one it's not a super wide arc.

[01:05:53] Yeah I'd mostly I just wanted see I want the resolution on what happens because like. God that ending was so abrupt. Yeah cause we ended up with all five of the main protagonists that we see in this arc getting turned us down.

[01:06:08] Also I really enjoy the fact that Red got turned us down shirtless while holding yellow. Yeah right. Like that's that's how he goes like that. Like a bridal carry kind of situation. Yeah and silver's just there. Yep.

[01:06:28] But yeah so sorry to be a bit of a downer for everyone that was looking forward to the next arc but hopefully Emerald redeems it slightly hopefully bigger's cross I have no idea. It's gonna be battle front here.

[01:06:44] I mean we get the Ruby and Sapphire characters back so I'm happy about that because I really like this is true. I really looking forward to I know it's a far in the future but I'm looking forward to a mega Ruby Apas Sapphire.

[01:06:56] I'm happy too because it not only does it we do we get Ruby and Sapphire back but also Red and Green make cameo's and that one so. Yeah.

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