Geek Addicts - Episode 32: Discussing SandLand: The Fallen Angel Arc!

[00:00:00] The following is a GNC podcast production. Welcome to Geek Addicts, a pop culture podcast. Hello and welcome to Geek Addicts, the pop culture podcast where we talk about lots of stuff. My name is Matt with me, my co-host, Demon Prince Bill Barber. How you doing Bill?

[00:00:53] I'm Demon Prince, that's a new one. I love how the car showed up like right when we started. Like that's great. He's right on time. Yeah, well, unfortunately, they might, they might be a little bit more noticeable than

[00:01:05] usual today because it was hot as balls when I got up here today and I had to open the windows because it's just, it's just bad. Imagine. Yeah, it's been a, it's been not the best lately, weather wise.

[00:01:25] Yeah, it was weird today because it was like, I don't know, it kept feeling like we were going to get rain but like it was still nice out and then like the whole day went by.

[00:01:34] We were supposed to get rain yesterday which we never got. But then today, like, it was totally fine all day and then I clock out and I walk out the door and it is

[00:01:43] like full on like torrential downpour and that happens for like five, ten minutes and then it just clears up and now it's sunny again. You guys got that from us because it was like raining here yesterday and we must have had your rain yesterday because then it probably

[00:01:59] traveled up north and then there it was. Makes sense. That makes sense. You got all our snow last year too so. Yay. Every time we heard there was going to be snow it was like, oh there's no snow. Then you'd be on the discord being like, hey,

[00:02:15] guess what I'm doing? Shoveling. Yeah, or just watching trees fall. Yeah. Well, I mean we still got trees falling which, you know, I've kind of had my fill of at this point but we keep getting them.

[00:02:32] We can't even cut them down like ahead of time because they're not technically on our property. Ah, yeah, that sucks. Yeah, it's really annoying especially when we're down to one shed now and it's the woodshed so it's like we had like four sheds in our yard and

[00:02:49] fucking one of them just collapsed because we were too busy trying to fix the house after that tree and then another tree fell on the other shed. So I mean our yard looks much more spacious

[00:03:01] than it did before. I mean, I'd give it that much. Yeah, now we, there's not as many trees down here so we don't really get them going down as much but. Makes sense. Still sucks. Yeah.

[00:03:19] So yeah, how have you been this week Bill? What have you been up to? I've been working and trying to deal with my bad tooth because I've mentioned it on the other shows but I have a wisdom tooth that needs to come out and it's

[00:03:33] rearing its ugly head right now. Understandable. Yeah, I actually took a break from persona this week. Not necessarily because I needed one but because I found my DS and I was like oh shit I'm

[00:03:47] gonna play some Yu Yu Hakusho. I'm playing that this week. You know, I've had that game going since we did our Yu Yu Hakusho episode I started that game and I'm close to the end now.

[00:03:58] When I found my DS I was like all right I'm just gonna buckle down and play that. And that's a good game too because you can just jump in at any point, just play a couple levels then put it

[00:04:07] back down. It's not like super involved so. Nice. Now I bought another, I bought another OG Xbox today. Another one? Well my original one is starting to die. It's had a little rough life

[00:04:26] so. That's fair. I bought an upgrade. I've got to open it up and take out that one bad capacitor though that all of them have. So I'm waiting for a Torx set of screw bits to come in.

[00:04:42] I gotcha. Yeah actually the day after our last recording for the South Park episode we did, um, it was just on my brain so I ended up uh, my friend Matt who you know, he came over and we

[00:05:00] were hanging out and stuff and we ended up watching a bunch of those newer South Park episodes you were talking about. And then I played like four hours of Fractured Butthole. Fractured Butthole's great. I was enjoying it. I mean once I got like back into it and

[00:05:17] started like kind of playing around with the combat system and everything. I mean I still think I like Stick of Truth more personally but I think that's just an aesthetic thing for me. I like the story and world more in Fractured Butthole more than anything. That's fair.

[00:05:32] That's fair. I'm also not a huge Lord of the Rings fan so. True. Although I feel like that was, because the Stick of Truth is kind of based off of like the Black Friday trilogy

[00:05:46] episodes right? Yeah although that theme first appeared in their Lord of the Rings episode. Yeah so I mean I always kind of got the feeling that they were kind of leaning more

[00:05:56] Game of Thrones than Lord of the Rings but I mean it's not, it's not the same but it's all like the same kind of thing. So I imagine that for you it makes a little difference. Yeah it's a setting that just doesn't do anything for me personally.

[00:06:12] Understandable. Understandable. Yeah. Other than that I've done like home improvement projects all day. Like I've been building garage equipment and stuff because I finally got around to redoing my garage. It was like the one room in the house that I hadn't touched yet.

[00:06:33] Then I built another bookshelf for my manga so it's expanding again. I need more bookshelves desperately. It's just hard because like we live in our uncle's house, or my uncle's house rather. So like I try not to impose too much about like our you know like

[00:06:52] setups and stuff. Like I use the pre-existing bookshelf and like there was one point where I bought a bookshelf and I kind of found a place for it but it's just hard trying to like

[00:07:02] organize everything into like proper places so that it doesn't look cluttered. You know what I mean? Yeah. And it's a little bit difficult because my uncle already has like the vast majority of closets occupied. So like a lot of our storage options are limited. Yeah. Understandable. Yeah well.

[00:07:28] But yeah so we're kind of revisiting an old topic again for this episode. We're going back into the world of Sandland because there's a second arc that came out for the anime which just finished recently and boy oh boy is there things to say about

[00:07:48] this second arc. Yeah I mean like just right at the top all things told I think it's a solid story. I don't have any really problems with the story itself. I like the way it ends too.

[00:08:03] Yeah the overall arc itself to me was fine. There's just a few specific things about it that kind of irked me a little when watching it. One major specific thing slash character.

[00:08:21] If you get my drift. Yeah. Yeah I gotcha. So I guess for people who don't know the second arc is known as the Fallen Angel arc and it is completely original like wasn't part of the original manga source and was essentially created specifically for this anime adaption.

[00:08:45] Did Toriyama write it by any chance or was he involved? That's my understanding. My understanding was that he wrote the second arc. Okay because my big question I had was like one of my biggest issues right off the bat is like tonally this arc feels nothing like the

[00:09:02] first one. Well I mean you also got to figure there's like a solid 25 year separation between true original manga and this second arc so I mean that's that's a long time.

[00:09:16] He literally wrote this like at the end of his life which is you know fair. Yeah it was just it was kind of weird especially if you went from like the first one right into the second one

[00:09:30] like both are pretty fine on their own but like the first part we remember had like that really strong message like that Toriyama was trying to tell at the time. Yeah. This one is more your generic Shonen kind of story which isn't bad per se it's just

[00:09:55] a little jarring I'd say. I get that um which is why like I don't know as a series it's it's fine you know 13 episodes total for the whole series. I kind of feel like it would

[00:10:10] have worked better if they had just stuck to the movie format like how like in Japan they got like just the Sandland movie for the first arc and like if they had just made a

[00:10:21] second movie and just had them be movies I think it would have been fine. Maybe yeah it just it was a weird it's just such a weird shift and there's only so many minor things

[00:10:35] that connect the two together like if it wasn't for like a few plot threads you could honestly these could be two separate shows. Yeah it's true I mean ultimately it kind of like wraps up by like

[00:10:50] um I feel like it kind of comes full circle with the way it ends but we'll talk yeah that's like the one plot thread that I really liked um but yeah we should probably jump into

[00:11:03] it a bit do you want to start off or? Yeah um I was thinking maybe we start off kind of talking about the new characters um the first one I definitely want to bring up is like you know

[00:11:15] probably the most important one and that's Anne. Oh um oh uh Android 18 with Dreadlocks yes. Yeah pretty much yeah I don't know it's kind of like she's like a weird conglomeration of like a bunch of other Toriyama female characters and like honestly like for me

[00:11:33] personally as I was watching it again like I feel like it's kind of like the best parts of all of his female characters put into one character. Yeah to in a sense because Toriyama famously can only draw like two faces so. Well I meant like personality wise.

[00:11:52] Well yeah personality wise and is definitely more refined than a lot of characters. She definitely has a much more distinct design than a lot of other characters. Yeah I've never has he done dreadlocks on a female before or is this a burst for him? Um

[00:12:09] it recently in Super the Granola arc there was a uh a female alien that had dreadlocks. Okay um okay fair um yeah that's a new design element for him. I also like how like you

[00:12:24] can tell that like the main cast was designed in like 2000 like like early 2000s and then this cast is so much different like Toriyama's design choices are just so have shifted so much

[00:12:36] over the years it's kind of interesting to look at the two. For sure um but yeah I I like Anne as a character and like the way her character goes um like in a lot of ways like

[00:12:49] when I was watching her I had like this kind of realization where I feel like Anne is like Bulma as she should have been. Like I mean don't get me wrong I like Bulma.

[00:13:00] Bulma's great but like I feel like Anne has like the attitude of Bulma but she's not like grating you know what I mean? The way Bulma can be sometimes. She's got the mechanical

[00:13:11] aspect of it but she's also doing shit like you know she's actually like she's not just fixing things just building things. She's using her mechanical skills and actually getting involved in battles and fights and like like high stakes and stuff like that. The other thing with Anne

[00:13:29] too is she actually has like noble goals unlike Bulma who most of the time her goals are not the most noble. Yeah exactly like almost every time that Bulma was going for the dragon balls it was for something superficial. To de-age herself a couple years basically. For real

[00:13:50] but like um you know overall I feel like Anne is a very very welcome into the main cast for me personally. Yeah it was nice to have a solid female member of the party because uh this

[00:14:03] show was like just straight up sausage fest the show before. Like literally like there's the only female in the original manga is that picture of Rao's dead wife. That's the only female in the

[00:14:16] whole story. Well the funniest part is to me is that the opening like um the the opening for the show has Anne in it from episode one and I'm like who's that? And like she doesn't

[00:14:27] appear at all and it's like oh this is who that is. Which by the way I know we said it in the last episode but like god that opening song is such a banger. I'm a little disappointed

[00:14:38] Rao never plays guitar he only does it. I know right like you see him in the intro playing playing the acoustic and it's like I mean like he looks like he'd play acoustic.

[00:14:47] Why do they highlight that in the in the trailer but never actually show it in the show? Does it so dramatically too with like the night sky above him and everything like I don't know. I could definitely see him playing acoustic playing something like blues or something.

[00:15:01] Yeah but going back to characters and overall definitely a welcome introduction. Now we should move to the should we talk about him now just to get it over with? Might as well he's kind of like the other major one.

[00:15:16] All right so the other the main antagonist of this arc I guess you could say is a angel known as Muneo and he leaves his impression right from the start. I'm just gonna say now I fucking could not stand him the entire show.

[00:15:36] Yeah he's kind of like one of those um it's a trope at this point you know like the and I mean I kind of like the contrast where you have Biel's above the fiend prince who is

[00:15:49] you know the he's the he's the hero of the story and then you have the supposed angelic hero who's actually the villain and it's just you know going for power so I mean I kind of

[00:16:01] like that like like I mean Toriyama loves to do that like reversal expectation kind of thing that's why whenever he introduces two characters together the small one is always the stronger

[00:16:11] one you know like that's that's just the kind of thing he likes to do. Yeah um but yeah he's a he's definitely a very annoying character. I said it we were talking over text yesterday

[00:16:23] I think I said it best he is like an amalgamation of like all of the worst traits of Toriyama characters just put into one. Yeah for sure I mean he's just he's power

[00:16:36] hungry really and although I will say I love when you find out what happened to his wings like that was just hilarious to me. That scene was great the only problem is we'll get

[00:16:45] to it later but the scene that follows after that pissed me off so much but um yeah um yeah Muneo is the worst character of this arc I guess we could say. He's one of those like my shit

[00:17:01] don't stink and everyone is below me kind of characters and yeah it gets old real fast. So I wanted him to die the entire running of this of this arc until the end where we found out

[00:17:13] what actually happens to him which I thought was a much better punishment but um oh for sure for sure death was too good for him honestly um yeah. I'd say the other um another character that I think

[00:17:30] is definitely worth mentioning is um I forget what his rank actually is but uh bread commander Yeah uh he was an interesting character. His name is bread. He was an interesting character

[00:17:44] especially as a villain because like you kind of get where he's coming from he's not like Zeyu like Zeyu was just straight up shitbag you know but but bread actually had like uh an understandable motivation even though like he definitely went a little far with it and

[00:18:01] obviously like I think the angel kid definitely pushed him in the wrong direction um but I feel like at the end of the day he was trying to do what he thought was right. He was an extremely

[00:18:14] misguided character. Yeah like he he had his people's like best interest in mind but he was going about it in completely the wrong way and he realized it by the end but yeah like

[00:18:30] because when he first appears you think he's going to be the main antagonist of this arc but then you quickly find out he's more of a a cog in the machine as you could say.

[00:18:43] He's kind of like not to the to the same degree but he's more like uh the Sandland King to to Zeyu kind of thing like if like the angel was Zeyu and I in it in a I guess in

[00:18:57] a sense although he definitely does a lot more than the Sandland King does. Oh for sure I mean he's definitely a better character and he he's a lot more involved but when you look at like

[00:19:08] the basic like you know he was just kind of a tool to be used like that's the way I kind of look at it. Yeah um and then the only other characters that that are introduced are they're a bit spoilery I mean obviously we're spoiling everything but um

[00:19:27] there's King Jam and Queen Lilith who are the the royalty of the forest land which real original name there. Yeah um well I mean Sandland Forestland it's kind of like Naruto. It's classic Toriyama but

[00:19:45] even even in Naruto like the land of fire the land of of uh water stuff like that. Yeah um yeah I by the way I know it's like super off topic but like I think it's kind

[00:19:59] of ironic that the land of fire is just nothing but forest. Yes. A little weird but all right uh anyways um yeah Jam and Lilith which are are important to the story but they don't have

[00:20:15] a whole lot of screen time. Uh yeah yeah I mean the King literally you don't see his face until like later on because his first appearance he's gonna bag over his head.

[00:20:27] Um yeah and you don't even find out you don't even see the Queen till much later. Yeah um so yeah the story basically starts out like um Rao is going to like bring some supplies to

[00:20:44] the Pichu people so he just picks up Beelzebub and Thief and they're like all right let's go off and we're gonna go on a drive and hang out and stuff um and while while they're there they

[00:20:54] bump into Anne who was fleeing from a bunch of drones um yeah and she like wipes out she's injured um and the drones pick pick out of her bag uh it was like a vial of uh equanium.

[00:21:14] Yep because they had to bring they had to bring that in the guff and back. Of course of course um so yeah they they take her in they help her out they pretty much agree to

[00:21:25] go back to her land with her to help out with the her whole revolution that she's trying to revolt whatever the hell. Yeah. Which I really liked when when they first got to forest land

[00:21:39] and Beelzebub walks in he's like this place sucks and then yeah but then he starts you know like fucking around he's swinging on vines he's playing in waterfalls and shit and it's just like

[00:21:51] it's like yeah he definitely seems like it sucks doesn't it. I mean he is a child at heart. True um oh we didn't mention them the uh Beelzebub and the angel guy bump into each other

[00:22:06] before that. Yeah and he leaves such a great impression right off the bat. Yeah right I love how he's just like oh but there's something this lightning it's this tiny little zap but it like ruins his game console so he gets super pissed. Yeah yeah that happened

[00:22:25] that's about all you can really say. I knew I knew from the first appearance I was like oh this character is going to be one of those isn't it? Mm-hmm for sure. Um I found it interesting how

[00:22:39] um to the back like Rao was during this arc like he's there and he's important but he's also like not the main focus anymore. Yeah well I mean that makes sense because this story is kind of

[00:22:51] like told already like this this arc is definitely like centered around Anne and and her quest like she is definitely like the main driving force. Yeah honestly like even uh Beelzebub

[00:23:07] was kind of like somewhat pushed to the back at the start he gets more screen time as it goes on but yeah so they get to the forest and um Beelzebub goes to take a leak

[00:23:22] and gets shot in the back of the head by uh people from like the the revolution the revolutionary army or whatever. Yeah. And um you know they they meet up and like oh no we're

[00:23:34] cool don't worry and um they find out that they're going to execute the king the king jam so they go to try and stop that and then when uh Beelzebub goes and goes to jump up and do it

[00:23:50] he's attacked by the angel guy and uh this is when you kind of find out that oh like he was just kind of in a bad area when they encountered each other the first time like he's

[00:24:01] actually kind of formidable here. Yeah especially since he's a total coward and uses other people as shields. Oh yeah that's another reason I can't stand that damn character. Everything about him is just spoiler warning Bill hates mute movie. Um yeah no kidding.

[00:24:27] Yeah I mean that fight is pretty good um I I do like the whole everything that kind of happens in this whole sequence coming up here. Yeah uh like with the whole like build

[00:24:39] up to the the reveal with Anne and everything. Yeah the um it's pretty shocking but also not super surprising I'd say. I'm also happy that we saw the return of uh thieves thieving outfit.

[00:24:54] Oh Santa suit. Yeah Santa suit it's gotta have the Santa suit. It it's at the point where it's so absurd I just kind of love it. It's it's wonderful um so yeah I think while while they

[00:25:09] were going to rescue the king um Rao and thief were were breaking into like the compound to try and steal the equineum back. Yes because that's where we get introduced that's where we really get introduced to like commander bread. And that's when you actually find out that

[00:25:28] he's a cyborg. Yeah that reveal was pretty interesting um it definitely gave him a pretty unique character design especially for how weird this this world is. It's definitely better than Zeyu's cyborg design. Wow true this is much much more uh effective I'd say.

[00:25:50] Yeah for sure um so yeah like uh the angel and uh Beelzebub have their little fight and Beelzebub actually loses because the angel kid just sucks and was cheating the whole time. True and Beelze wasn't really taking it serious from the start either which

[00:26:12] put him behind a bit. And he's also he's also at a disadvantage too because uh because it's not the desert uh and they have all the trees and the clouds and everything he can't

[00:26:23] absorb the power of the night the way he could before. So like while he he has some of that he doesn't have as much as he would in his in his home turf. So I did like that that kind of

[00:26:38] that became a story aspect like I didn't think that really when we were going into it but once it was like stated it was like oh that makes a lot of sense like being in this

[00:26:49] this particular area would be more difficult for him to to absorb that power. So I thought that was an interesting interesting way to go about that. Um yeah so this is the part where

[00:27:05] uh it's revealed that Ann is actually part demon. Yeah which to me was kind of like one of those reveals where it was kind of like oh that's interesting but then you're like I also

[00:27:18] wasn't super shocked because like she seemed a little bit too like adept at times like she didn't seem human like the rest of them. True but like she didn't seem like overly like like supernatural in any way. Like it's not like she wasn't like super strong. She

[00:27:40] wasn't like I mean yeah she did mention like yeah I've always been a little bit more athletic than other people but like it's not to such a degree that it that she stood out that much

[00:27:50] you know. So like I wouldn't have I wouldn't have guessed that going in but it was a fun reveal but the weird thing is is when she does their little like

[00:28:02] she has that that reveal moment and you see her eyes go red and like she has the little telepathic thing that she sends out. That's like the only like bit of her demonic power

[00:28:14] that we see in the whole thing. Yeah it never gets brought up again. Her eyes don't even go red ever again. Oh good. Yeah I'm good on this one. You there? Yep I'm here. Okay that was weird.

[00:28:39] Yeah a little little glitch in the matrix there but uh yeah so like Ann like demon reveal happens but she doesn't actually it in reality it's mostly a red herring because it really

[00:28:53] doesn't amount to much going forward. It really doesn't and they really like kind of tease it too because later on you know when BL's above is trying to absorb the power of the night he

[00:29:02] he invites Ann to join him and you know try it out and stuff but and like when the reveal happens you think oh she's gonna do some some demon superpower stuff later and no it

[00:29:11] never happened. She sticks to her you know mechanical thing and I think that's actually kind of cool. Well I mean she's really never used it in her life to begin with so it's like why

[00:29:23] would she like use it now? She doesn't have to rely on it. That's fair but I mean as Toriyama they kind of always he's always kind of toyed around with that. I mean look at Gohan you

[00:29:34] know the whole concept of alien mixed with human makes superpower hybrid you know. It's not something that he's been averse to doing before. So true it definitely was in the realm within the realm of possibility once that that story beat was introduced but I was

[00:29:54] kind of surprised and a little impressed that he didn't do anything with that. Yeah if anything another complaint they have for this is it feels a little rushed. Mm-hmm yeah. Because like immediately then we start getting like backstory dumps like going

[00:30:14] forward. Yeah because we get the the whole backstory of what when the coup d'etat happened then immediately after that we get the angels backstory. Like literally like scene to scene like there's no in between at all because that was kind of odd. The coup d'etat one was

[00:30:29] interesting to me because it was like it happens and then like how so we get introduced finally to Lilith who is obviously revealed to be a demon and and Beelzebub sister. Yeah that reveal

[00:30:48] I'll bring up something that I observed a little bit on that later but um so like there's like once she gets like once they like try to like the coup the coup's going on and

[00:30:59] they um get to a her and her like a little advisor there. That scene was like interesting because like she goes like full power and really shows just how pathetic Muneo really is.

[00:31:14] But then of course the the we had they have to introduce us to the the concept of the urns where he has these urns that can just capture demons like without fail apparently. Toriyama

[00:31:27] loves sealing demons and jives. He's done it so many times. To me that annoyed me though because it's like it's just it's she sees the thing fly off in the distance then just ignores it and

[00:31:38] then just gets fucking surprise attacked I was like really? Yeah. Which that isn't even the worst example of this but um we'll get to that later. I do want to call attention to

[00:31:50] um because I noticed this past time when I was watching it Lilith when Lilith goes like demon form um is it just me or she just straight up wearing a pride trooper uniform?

[00:32:01] Yeah it kind of looked like that. It looked like just like it like it was like a tiny little bit of difference like I think like the the black pattern had a little bit more of like

[00:32:10] a star situation going on over here but like for the most part it looked exactly like she looked like she would have been right at home in universe 10 in a dragon ball super. Her design looked incredibly familiar like I'm gonna have to look around and see if I

[00:32:24] could find if there's another character Toriyama's drawn that looks like that because it wouldn't surprise me. I mean obviously the general overall designs are pretty different but she reminded me of Toa from um heroes and ziniverse and stuff which would make sense

[00:32:41] because uh Lucifer is just straight up D'vorah and D'vorah and Toa are brother and sister and in dragon ball so it would make sense for him to kind of I mean obviously she she has

[00:32:53] her own distinct look but a lot about her reminded me of Toa. Yeah that's another critique I had with this arc was um the the scene where BL's like realizes that they're they're related

[00:33:09] is like he just like is like oh I happen to have a sister that I've never mentioned before at all and I'm just gonna bring it up now. I was like yeah haven't seen her in like centuries

[00:33:20] but whatever. I mean I get the fact that the first arc was written like years ago but it's like damn they just abruptly pulled that one out of nowhere. Well I mean again classic Toriyama

[00:33:32] you know it's not the first time he's pulled a random sibling out of nowhere after decades. I wonder because of how the release schedule came out for these episodes I wonder how many like there's that scene in like earlier episodes of um

[00:33:46] Anne and BL's just like chatting it up and stuff like before the reveal. I wonder how many how many shippers didn't look too deep into it and started writing creepy fanfics. It wouldn't surprise me. And then the reveal happened and it was like oh no.

[00:34:02] Yeah well to be fair a lot of those kinds I mean it wouldn't stop me. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna paint I was gonna say I'm not gonna paint with a broad brush but let's be honest

[00:34:12] it doesn't deter a lot of people. No but I was like imagine the people who legitimately didn't think that and then it's like surprise their siblings and it's like are related and it's like

[00:34:22] what? Yeah. That did make me laugh though and I was I was like oh that's an interesting revelation like a revelation there. It's just like oh I'm your uncle okay. And then we got

[00:34:38] the angel backstory which um is one of the most satisfying scenes in the entire show. Yeah for sure just because you even get his fucking wings clipped. Yeah he just fucking like barges into fucking Lucifer's like little den and Lucifer I love Lucifer because he

[00:34:58] just legit doesn't give a shit about anything. I love that he's just like he just shushes him and turns back to his TV. Yeah and then Muneo being the douchey is breaks his TV and then

[00:35:12] his response is just to literally rip his wings off. Yep and I love that he's like so pissed about it and he's like that was a 36 inch TV you just broke. It's just like it's funny

[00:35:25] to us because like how long has it been since that was like a big deal? Like I know Like I mean maybe when when the original Sandland Manga came out that was a big deal

[00:35:36] and it was it was a tube TV too. Yeah well also the fact that um it's hard to come by stuff in Sandland at that so that was pre water coming back I'm assuming so I'm assuming it

[00:35:48] was um that would have been before the coup which was 10 years previous so yeah it would have been like right like in the middle of the whole drought. Yeah so it's like I imagine

[00:36:00] things were hard to come by so I guess his whole comment about you know how hard it was to find that thing makes a lot of sense. For sure I just thought it was funny this the whole way he

[00:36:12] he just kind of like flaps him into the distance. Yeah he literally literally soars like like team rockets him like he's out of there. He literally does like the comical like link flick like away. Yeah it's great it's great. What I love that scene but then I'm

[00:36:31] immediately disappointed by the next scene where they're beginning their assault on the the Sand Kingdom and their Munoz first target is obviously he wants to uh take out Lucifer and get revenge so they go right to um Demon Kingdom and basically just bomb the place

[00:36:55] and yeah I did find it amusing that Lucifer cared so little about him that he doesn't even recognize him. Yeah he's like excuse me I'm I was doing a 3,000 piece puzzle and you just ruined it.

[00:37:09] Yeah I was just about to finish this puzzle asshole like Richard broke my tv and then you ruined my puzzle. Yeah and what what pissed me off about this scene is just how

[00:37:22] easy Lucifer goes down. Like yeah there wasn't even a fight he just pulls out the urn and I was like really? No I mean let's be honest if there was a fight it wouldn't have been a fight.

[00:37:38] I know it was just such a lazy like up away he goes it's like now we have to actually have the climax. True well I mean you also got to figure like it's it's it's seven episodes

[00:37:50] for this arc and it's it's very little time to work with you kind of have to keep things moving. You can't like pad it out like you do with like Dragon Ball and stuff so.

[00:37:59] I just wish they found like some better way to explain that because I was just so like he just immediately pulls it just like surprise and it's like great. It's like what a what a buzz

[00:38:09] kill scene. A big part of me kind of wishes that that Sandland like the original manga had ended up being like it didn't have to be a long series but I just wish that Toriyama

[00:38:20] had done more manga than just the one volume. Yeah because I feel like there was so much to be mined there like there was so so much potential for Zan land. Interestingly though going forward like we discovered that the reason why they're collecting all of the

[00:38:38] equanium is because they're trying to revive the giant death laser thing I forget what it's called. It's a mini Death Star let's just call it what it is. It had some weird name I can't remember off the top of my head.

[00:38:51] I I literally just watched it earlier and I can't remember. Yeah basically it was the Garu yeah. It was basically wasn't it the thing that Rao used to destroy the Pichu people? No well the Pichu thing like that was like the Pichu

[00:39:10] just happened to have a equanium because they were trying to figure out how to make water with it and it's just a very volatile substance so when they fired the cannons on it it just

[00:39:19] caused like chain reaction. So like that was like the Garu thing is supposed to be like an ancient technology like I don't think the current Pichu would have really I mean they probably

[00:39:35] have records of its existence but I doubt that they've fucked with it in a long time. Yeah all right yeah so basically it's just a giant Death Star evil thing and Rao does the classic like trope of like do you guys think seriously think you can control this?

[00:39:54] Yeah classic. And then they immediately use it to go blow up an entire mountain? Because fuck it why not? Well they take out the damn resistance who were there because because the swimmers saw the thing go up and they thought to warn them.

[00:40:13] I love that the swimmers had like a bigger role in this arc and they're just like awesome. For no reason. They weren't just an annoyance this time around. Yeah like I'll be honest like I love the swimmers I think they're great.

[00:40:26] Well they gave them backstory too like how like the main one was apparently he had worked with the resistance at one point. That was cool also we got a commander are comes back for a

[00:40:40] minute. Yeah he's back for like he makes an appearance early on in the arc but then once Garu was resurrected and they're like you know basically about to invade Sandland.

[00:40:51] R.A. shows up he's got all these tanks and stuff and I love that like they gave Rao another tank but it was the same tank if you look at the serial number on it it's tank 104

[00:41:04] the same one from the previous arc. I like that a lot. I also want to point out that when all of Garu's defenses kicked in instead of dropping all the robots and stuff Toriyama really went like full Star Wars because they were just dropping like

[00:41:24] spherical AT-STs. Yep it was literally just AT-STs. This is a little off topic but I was actually reading the Sandland manga and I got to the point where like they see the picture and Rao puts up in the

[00:41:40] tank I didn't realize she was straight up naked in the manga. Oh yeah I was like oh that's very different. Yeah it actually it actually makes thief's dialogue make a lot more sense in the manga now that I think about it. That's true but it's like have you

[00:41:57] read the whole thing or? I'm like halfway through it I'll finish it at some point. It's like oh that's I was like that's very different from what they showed us in the show.

[00:42:08] Oh extremely. Which is even sadder because that's the only photo of his wife he has left. Yeah right from an old like playboy or something. Yeah like oh my. Going back though so like they're basically planning their counter attack. I liked

[00:42:27] the fight here like there was a lot of cool stuff that was going on. Yeah for sure I definitely feel like this is a lot more action-packed than the climax of the previous arc which isn't to detract from that because I liked what

[00:42:40] the first arc did too but it feels like a bigger scale this time. The first arc was a lot more about the story and the message than the actual like action. Yeah for sure.

[00:42:51] This one is more straight up shonen. Yeah absolutely. I love the way that they get on to Garu by the way. Like the whole like they couldn't actually like make it up because the

[00:43:03] airship that was trying to bring them up there got like shot down and then the genji dragon thing shows up and they pretty much use it as like a pole vaulting method. Yeah it was pretty wild like the whole way that they did that. I actually

[00:43:25] one thing I do really I thought was really interesting was we didn't mention it earlier we probably should have. The way the swimmers actually helped like with the getting the plan for the counter attack like together like the one that can draw like drew the entire

[00:43:40] drew Garu just from his sight which was kind of cool and it's revealed the speedy one was the one that actually went and rescued the resistance. Yeah and there was a funny scene

[00:43:52] where Ann thanks him for it he gets all embarrassed. He gets like a little crush on her. Well that's probably the reason why I like the swimmers is because they all just have like their

[00:44:02] own like superpowers for no reason. It's just oh this one could just draw anything with an insane detail even if it's like outrageously far away. I was actually a good scene there

[00:44:12] like what are these blurry things on here and he's like oh sorry and he just like looks real quick he's like there we go. Yeah he just draws it in full detail like Jesus Christ dude.

[00:44:22] I also love the scene where they're they're fighting against one of like the walker things and they can't they they can't get a shot in because it has like that one weak spot

[00:44:32] before it shoots its laser so they send this meaty guy out to basically just fucking break the thing and then they then they just get like the fucking shot and it just destroys it.

[00:44:41] It was just cool. Yeah he's just running circles around it so fast that the thing gets confused yeah and then they just take it out like nothing. Yeah I definitely like the like

[00:44:52] all of them getting together and working together on this it was it was definitely really cool. Um so yeah they they get into the into the the Death Star for lack of a better term. Um

[00:45:04] it was a lot of Star Wars vibes going on here. It was super Star Wars-y like even even down to like when when he made the drawing of of the thing and was like oh that's where we're

[00:45:15] gonna go in I'm like oh like I was waiting for somebody in the crowd to just go it's a trap. Yeah there's some people like oh yeah I used to I used to bullseye womp rats with my

[00:45:26] t13. Yeah very Toriyama. Yeah well I mean the first the first manga he ever drew for like a contest was literally just a Star Wars parody so true true. Um so the actual stuff that happens

[00:45:44] inside Gaara is like insane. Mm-hmm there's a lot going on um it pretty much turns into like like they kind of split up and do like uh have like different tasks I guess. Yeah because uh

[00:46:00] Beels is off to like basically take out Mew essentially um and is trying to figure out a way to stop the uh touch basically depower the station and then um Rao and Thief are trying to

[00:46:16] take out bread. Yes and I think Anne ends up actually helping out with with both of these both of the others um situations like she helps out with Brad and with uh Muneo. Because we

[00:46:30] don't know exactly yet um what's uh because Anne actually has a ulterior motive here that we don't know about exactly yet um it doesn't get revealed later so she's kind of acting a little

[00:46:46] suspicious but not like in a bad way just in a she's up to something. Yeah she's got her own her own agenda here. Yeah um I will say though the way they took out

[00:46:59] Brad was like one of my favorite scenes in the entire uh anime. Yeah oh we didn't even mention like the little uh the little gadgets that the P.G. gave them at the beginning

[00:47:08] which are kind of important to our team here. We kind of forgot about that entirely. So so they give Rao like a joker gun pretty much yeah it's a it's a taser but it not when it knocks them

[00:47:21] out it makes them like giggle which is pretty silly um and they gave uh Beels above these little pills that make you levitate for like 10 seconds. Right oh yeah Scott I completely forgot that's where those came from. Which when when that got brought up like when they first

[00:47:41] gave it to him I'm like this is going to be important to the arc in some way. So I didn't know how it would have happened but I knew it was going to be important. So fun fact I had

[00:47:49] watched the first like few episodes of this arc when they when I was what did when we did our last re-watch or our last like episode on this and then I just waited till it was finished

[00:47:58] to watch the rest. I completely forgot that they he had got those from there so I thought he just pulled those out of his ass. I'm not gonna lie I was like oh he just has

[00:48:07] levitation pellets cool yeah yeah I know it's it's a peachy technology um okay which came out like a pez dispenser I think basically yeah um yeah the the Rao fight though is really I

[00:48:26] love like how he's like I need you to distract him so I can get my shot and it's like okay and then he does the fucking joker like gun thing and it's like he's like run it didn't

[00:48:35] work and he's like don't worry I got just enough time to shoot. He's like abort abort and then they just blow I love how they just blow the thing up and it just face plants and

[00:48:45] you're like wow that was easy yep but then they um they kind of fake us out there because it cuts back after they leave to go move on to the next thing it cuts back

[00:48:55] to a red just like there and it's like it's like oh is there gonna be a thing like is he coming gonna is he not dead is he gonna come back

[00:49:05] and they don't really elaborate on it right away um see if we go to like uh Beelzebub and Muniel and um it was a I don't know it was a pretty solid fight at first like I really like

[00:49:25] the choreography like at the beginning of that fight when they were both just like normal. Yeah the choreography was good I liked what they did I did kind of see though I'm like they're

[00:49:35] gonna just do the same thing that they did last time or he's gonna get mortally knocked out and then he's gonna go super um yeah but I like the way they handled it this time but

[00:49:44] like because he was limited with the amount of power of darkness he had because he couldn't really like couldn't absorb it as much as he would normally yeah so like he had

[00:49:54] that limitation to it and it did run out at one point um but uh yeah they had the whole thing where he like knocked him up into the air and he's like smashed into the equanium

[00:50:08] yeah and he just like ate it yeah I was like okay and then he just becomes this freaking like blob monster and I'm just like this is wonderful yeah he keeps alternating between between being like this huge bulky dude like and his wings grow back too like

[00:50:25] and he's like this big bulky like super ripped version of himself and then he would just constantly shift between that and like this giant blob basically like failed transformation like go tanks basically kind of but like a little more disturbing well yeah um because

[00:50:45] he's like constantly like shifting like if that makes sense yeah um there was a great scene too where like the whole time like he's this fight's going on and eventually like all the characters will kind of convene together uh during this and there's a cool scene where

[00:51:04] like Rao shows up with the tank and he's like basically like they show up and like they kind of like uh the Alzabub's down at this point like he's like knocked out for the count and

[00:51:17] Munoz just taunting them and Rao has one shot left so he just fires the shot once he realizes where he's trying to aim it uh misses Munoz and Munoz does nothing but gloat until he

[00:51:30] looks back and realizes he aimed directly just to expose the moon I thought that was cool yeah for sure then you know Beelzebub does his thing and just absolutely destroys him yeah which is

[00:51:44] always always satisfying well there's also that great line from from Munoz where he's like wait the equitium doesn't last forever god well I mean you know what there's something to be said about like a message being there it's like true that what you mean fossil fuels don't last

[00:52:05] forever I was thinking more like steroids still last forever but also yes um because he totally had roid rage going on there oh for sure but I also think he was just drunk on power

[00:52:18] like I think it went beyond just regular roid rage he just he was on that that uh like that kind of like god trip yeah um what's what's funny too is like then like of course

[00:52:35] like there's a great scene where like the station's falling and Anne actually goes to the bridge and basically tells everyone they have to get out of here this place is going to collapse and they at first don't want to until they realize the thing is legit going

[00:52:47] down and they all finally kind of have their face turned heel and like realize wait a minute what what side are we even fighting for at this point yeah and further they realized that oh

[00:52:57] yeah that giant explosion that fucked up sand land 20 years or however long ago like um yeah that giant explosion that fucked up sand land like 20 years ago yeah that was just

[00:53:15] like a fifth of the equitium we have on board right now so this is going to be bad yeah this thing is going to blow yeah um so eventually she's trying to find a way

[00:53:28] to uh slow its descent and this is where uh bread makes his return because there's a pipe that almost crushes her and he stops it and he is essentially like he basically realizes like what side he actually should be on yeah he's like honestly like I

[00:53:46] didn't actually want to use the weapon at all I was just going to use it as like a deterrent like just just kind of make people say hey I'm not going to fuck with that guy so but then

[00:53:56] the angel guy you just you know he just started shooting everything so yeah I'm with you guys now yeah it was a lot of abrupt face turn heels towards the end here yeah for sure um the scene where they're all escaping too I did like his reasoning too

[00:54:14] where he's like he's like you let the crew escape but in and stayed as your own he's like he kind of used that as his justification where it was like yeah I understand who the

[00:54:23] real heroes are now yeah for sure which is kind of where I like you know get the real like yeah he he at bottom he had the best interests of the people at heart he just was

[00:54:37] incredibly misguided I think like the term is like well-intentioned extremist or something like that yeah well I mean you know what they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions yeah um so eventually that's when we get the uh the whole flotation candies thing comes into

[00:54:55] play and they're like all right everyone jump and take these um it's basically using it as like a makeshift parachute yeah I also really like the fact that like Rao makes the comment

[00:55:06] all right I'll go next as like two other people jump right before him yeah right I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that because I was like wait a minute yeah yeah it was pretty silly and

[00:55:18] then like Ann kind of fakes out Bielzabub and pushes him over because she's gonna go and do what she really intended in the first place yeah I noticed the scene what I noticed

[00:55:29] right away was the fact that Bielzabub takes his candy a lot quicker than he should have and I was like oh I see what he's doing here yeah but he's also a demon so I mean

[00:55:39] he could probably survive a fall from a higher flight than most yeah and then also we forgot to mention the uh just to be an extra dick Munoz eats the two fucking urns yeah but when

[00:55:53] Bielzabub kicked his ass he spat him back up and they ended up falling to the ground and cracking which made uh made it possible for uh Lilith and Lucifer to escape yeah I wanted

[00:56:07] to segue into that because that's part of how the uh the climax ends where it's like they kind of get saved by Lucifer at the end there yes so like with a combination of efforts between Lucifer's demonic power and um and Ann's like scientific knowledge I guess

[00:56:27] uh the explosion that would have destroyed everything ended up uh being not only contained but all that energy got turned into water like the peachy originally wanted yeah so it starts raining and that's it's kind of how we're left off yeah and I love the scene of

[00:56:46] like uh where uh Lucifer's just standing there he's so annoyed to be to be not at his house yeah and I love the fact where Ann's like hi grandfather I'm your granddaughter he's like

[00:56:57] don't ever call me that again he's like oh you mean lord Lucifer and then he just doesn't give a shit and walks off uh before telling before telling Bielz he's like oh yeah nice

[00:57:09] job bud do your homework attaboy okay Bielz above the old attaboy yeah after telling him to do all his homework that he's been ignoring which leads me to believe he goes to school yeah

[00:57:24] it makes sense I love that like like Lucifer like throughout the whole series is so like yeah whatever but he's just like like when when he when uh Bielz as well first went to

[00:57:34] go on the little quest with um with Rao in the first place and he's just like yeah you can go but when you get back only one hour of video games a day yeah he's just he's like just like

[00:57:46] he just he's just like a bored dad like yeah his tv's gone he needs something to do and oh and also then we get the final like the like the final comeuppance where we find out

[00:57:59] what happened to Muneo and he's like just like planted out in the dirt in sand land and his wings are burned off again which was great um yeah he's basically doing grunt work for a

[00:58:11] thousand years well like he's like there and he's like he's kind of knocked down they're like oh yeah by the way we uh we brought someone for you and it's another it's like

[00:58:19] one of the one of the uh I guess archangels and he's like ah Muneo I see you I see yeah he was uh he basically uh the guy from Yu Yu Hakusho for a minute there yeah um he's like

[00:58:34] ah Muneo I see you've caused such a disaster down here like you're gonna have to be punished for this yep he's like you know being forced to like lug a bunch of like books and stuff

[00:58:46] around like you know literally just doing like you know janitor work kind of a thousand years of manual labor he's like god how long do I have to do this they're like hey cheer up man you only

[00:58:56] have 999 days and it was at 990 years and 364 days to go yeah also I like the irony that the other angel well not the irony but well the the hilarity that the other angel has his wings

[00:59:09] still and it's like he doesn't so he has to do everything on foot which just makes it even funnier yeah he's the only angel as he's a ladder yes um and then I like the uh how it

[00:59:24] it kind of wraps everything together oh yeah we never talked about the king the sand land king running around in the street and tripping and falling yeah I mean it was good for a chuckle

[00:59:34] but not much else it was a slapstick moment I love that every time it like goes to him he's always just like chilling in the pool with a floaty and a bunch of like chicks and bikinis

[00:59:45] well I mean yes when you're the king I mean you know you got money you might as well yeah um so then we get kind of cut back to the uh king and queen of the forest kingdom are back

[01:00:01] and they're about to go do their uh return essentially to a power and they ask where uh ann is and um lilith is like oh she's out doing her uh uh mechanical stuff

[01:00:16] which is kind of cool yeah she's like um she was like going on like a journey to like you know master her skills or whatever which I thought was pretty cool and she's just traveling

[01:00:26] with um with you know our our our core group I like how ralph's like hey I don't mind hanging out it's not like I'm doing much sheriffing yeah I mean we're slow right now everything's cool everyone's happy there's rain again and then they get attacked by the sandworm

[01:00:41] again and uh thief's like why is it always when I'm driving yeah it's too funny um but yeah that's that's pretty much how it ends oh and um breads reinstated as like you know the

[01:00:55] the commander of the army I thought like as good intentions and everything like yeah whatever but he he still caused a coup he still almost caused the death of the king and did cause the

[01:01:06] entrapment of the queen still caused a lot of bad shit in their like in their area so like I feel like he shouldn't just be allowed to continue his post uh I mean I guess if the

[01:01:18] king of sand land kind of got off scott free as well I mean true aside from hap is fortune but uh yeah well I mean I guess you know it is toriyama he'd booted get off scott free too

[01:01:30] even though we like literally ate 80 percent of the population of earth goku tries to give everyone a second chance yeah well oh well but yeah that's pretty much where the story ends and

[01:01:45] like honestly like I mean I know you probably don't have exactly the same kind of attachment but like when when I finished the series for the second time um watching it through like

[01:01:58] I kind of got a little emotional at the end because like like this is like one of the with the exception of daima coming up like this is like the last original thing that toriyama

[01:02:09] worked on yeah honestly um like this arc was like one of the very last things that he that he did and I kind of got a little emotional at the end when I watched it thinking

[01:02:23] about that yeah honestly like I mean it as much as I have problems with the second arc I did enjoy sand land all the way through um I mean the first arc is like borderline perfect

[01:02:40] in my opinion yeah for sure like that like having that as a movie and I really wish we just got the movie version then like I'm okay with having the series too but like

[01:02:52] I would like to have the movie too um but like I feel like that works perfectly just as a movie like yeah it was honestly just kind of one of those things where it was kind of like

[01:03:05] it didn't need to be a series but I get why they did it I mean I still say like the cgi animation looked really good there were points a lot of times I kept forgetting it was cgi to

[01:03:15] begin with um voice acting was really good um surprising considering it wasn't crunchy roll it was an outside studio um and it was pretty much all it was pretty much all unknowns

[01:03:30] yeah I think a lot wasn't it like a lot of them were uh video game actors weren't they yeah well because they're it's all the same cast from the uh the video game well I mean it's one of those like chicken or the egg things like

[01:03:44] who was cast for what first I don't know yeah um but at the end like I was really just kind of like I don't know 13 episodes like it's a solid 13 episode series it's quick and short

[01:03:56] it's to the point it's it's tight but like like I kind of wish there was more honestly like anyway it kind of makes me a little bit more excited to dive into the game

[01:04:07] like hopefully yeah like flushes things out a little bit more like kind of the world but from what Chris over at novel console says it's almost like perfect recreations so Mm-hmm so I'm looking forward to trying that eventually when I get around to it

[01:04:23] I still have only played like a couple hours of the game but I will say I think it's interesting that um that Anne is introduced at the beginning of the first arc yeah that's a different change yeah so I'm interested to see like what kind of changes

[01:04:38] happen with the story with um with these other characters being thrown in the mix and um yeah I'm not 100% sure I think you only play like like consistently as Beelzebub there was

[01:04:51] like one like stealth quest that you played as thief in the part that I played I don't know if you're gonna get chances to play as Rao or um or Anne at any points but I mean it would be

[01:05:01] cool although I guess it doesn't make sense for Anne to be there because she is like you know the mechanic so she's got all these tanks the tanks and the walker bots and all this other

[01:05:12] stuff that you need to upgrade and stuff so it makes sense to have the mechanic early on true um but once once I actually crack down and play through the whole game maybe we'll

[01:05:23] have to do an episode on that yeah and I just round out to the Sandland little mini series that we've been doing I'll have to get that at some point too I just have money spent I've been trying to take care of other things at the moment

[01:05:38] understandable I'm kind of right yeah honestly yeah but uh yeah I mean it's I enjoyed the ride I'll say and I'm curious what's next to come in the Torreano world um yeah Dyma is the next thing and I'm curious I'm still a little hesitant on it but

[01:06:03] I'm curious to see how it turns out I think it'll be great honestly I think I'm a little bit less enthusiastic about it now that Torreano has passed um because I know

[01:06:15] that he you know I'm sure he has like stuff that he's already set in place beforehand but there's gonna come a point where they're gonna have to start coming up with stuff on their own

[01:06:25] depending on how long it's gonna be yeah so that does worry me but um I have a I'm confident that it'll at least have a strong start if nothing else yeah um

[01:06:44] and who knows maybe maybe one day in the near future we'll finally get a dub for Dr Slump I would love that yeah that'd be nice I mean I think at this point we've established that

[01:06:58] when you got the right people working on the translations and stuff you you can make Japanese humor work in America I think we established that that's I mean perfectly doable they made Azabang and Daiyao work back in like the early 2000s they should be able to make anything

[01:07:12] work yeah but I think Harmony Gold did one episode like did the pilot episode and then never went any further than that sounds like Harmony Gold but now I remember I watched it

[01:07:27] like forever ago and I really wish that there had been more but what are you gonna do hopefully let's hope yeah but um yeah other than that not much else um I guess now we can probably announce uh it's been announced on other shows but um

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[01:08:10] exciting I've worked with Aaron for god like two years now and I'm looking forward to doing more stuff in the future awesome but uh yeah anything else before we sign out or no I think

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