Why Aren't All Games Cross-Play?

[00:00:30] Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of the Elder Trolls Gaming Podcast.

[00:00:35] If you are new and joining us today, we are three brothers who get together and talk about

[00:00:39] gaming.

[00:00:40] We may also talk tech TV movies and other nerdy geeky stuff too.

[00:00:45] Today, we're going to talk about cross-play, cross-progression, cross-platform, cross-generation,

[00:00:52] cross-gaming.

[00:00:54] Right?

[00:00:54] Cross.

[00:00:55] Cross.

[00:00:56] Cross.

[00:00:57] What are these features and why doesn't every game have them?

[00:01:01] And how frustrating it can be for us gamers.

[00:01:04] But first, I'm NatsDNate.

[00:01:06] And I'm Take It Easy, JohnO.

[00:01:08] And I'm DandalftheWise.

[00:01:11] Mmm, there we go.

[00:01:13] So Daniel just got his new internet connection.

[00:01:16] Yeah.

[00:01:17] Which he threw out on his back porch.

[00:01:20] Yeah, we got it in...

[00:01:21] We got our hardware in a couple days ago.

[00:01:26] It was sitting on the front step and it was like, it's like Christmas.

[00:01:31] It's like Father-Elon.

[00:01:33] Father-Elon.

[00:01:35] Yeah.

[00:01:37] But we just kind of did a quick setup this morning.

[00:01:40] Just plugged it in.

[00:01:41] You have a big wire coming through your window or your back porch door?

[00:01:44] Or the back deck door.

[00:01:46] We just kind of put it underneath for now just to see how it works or whatever.

[00:01:48] But we'll figure out a more permanent solution at some point.

[00:01:52] But the router is upstairs right now.

[00:01:54] And yet downstairs I'm still getting 200 megs down and 10 megs up.

[00:01:59] So we're doing pretty well.

[00:02:01] That's like 200% better than what we were doing before.

[00:02:04] On Wi-Fi, not even LAN.

[00:02:06] But I can't do LAN because I can't plug in Ethernet yet until it's down here if

[00:02:10] we put it down here.

[00:02:11] Which we probably will because this is where the Xbox is.

[00:02:14] Both our computers.

[00:02:15] Ether.

[00:02:17] Yeah, you're gonna want to do that.

[00:02:19] You're gonna want to do that.

[00:02:20] Did you have a question?

[00:02:22] You said something.

[00:02:23] Yeah, so like I kind of know because I've been in the industry right.

[00:02:28] But like why?

[00:02:31] Like he gets 200 megs down.

[00:02:33] Right?

[00:02:34] And 10 meg up.

[00:02:36] I know the duplex and the full duplex and the half duplex all that shit.

[00:02:40] Why is he not getting more upload?

[00:02:42] Why don't they just give everyone upload?

[00:02:44] It can't be that hard.

[00:02:46] Because it's bandwidth.

[00:02:47] It's still bandwidth.

[00:02:48] But can't you be like I don't want to watch down.

[00:02:50] Don't give me more upload.

[00:02:52] No, because well they I mean they could do it but they don't.

[00:02:57] Well, I don't know how granular that I'm sure they can do it.

[00:03:00] It's not like a blanket setting.

[00:03:03] Like you could choose to have one user to have more upload.

[00:03:08] I'm sure they could.

[00:03:09] But it's still bandwidth that generally most people do not use upload.

[00:03:14] I'm sure you could.

[00:03:15] I'm sure you could call up father Elon and be like,

[00:03:18] yo, can you just give me a little bit more upload?

[00:03:20] Maybe cut my download a bit if you need to give me some more upload.

[00:03:23] Does it have is that specific to IP address?

[00:03:26] Can they target that or does it have to be like area like postal code?

[00:03:29] Like your account?

[00:03:30] No, if you're getting 200 megabit down,

[00:03:32] you can get more upload.

[00:03:34] That's what I don't understand.

[00:03:36] But they throttle the upload because generally no people are downloading.

[00:03:40] All right.

[00:03:40] No, more people are downloading.

[00:03:41] They can put that bandwidth towards other clients to have more clients,

[00:03:46] to have more people.

[00:03:47] Yeah.

[00:03:48] That's stupid.

[00:03:50] I guess everyone's like cable internet does the same thing.

[00:03:53] All cable companies do that.

[00:03:54] You just tell them you want more upload.

[00:03:55] Be like, yo, give me 50 megabit upload.

[00:03:58] Put me down to 150 download or something.

[00:04:01] Like just take my pipe and just give me a little bit more upload.

[00:04:05] Give me a bigger straw.

[00:04:07] Well, yeah.

[00:04:09] Straws the same size.

[00:04:10] Well, listen.

[00:04:11] Wrong direction.

[00:04:12] Anything that was better than 30 megs down, 40 max and 0.5 up is better.

[00:04:21] So I don't care.

[00:04:23] What you should try to do is just drill a hole in your glass patio door.

[00:04:27] Just drill a hole and put the wire through there.

[00:04:30] Like in great Mazda Tech Shatters.

[00:04:34] He's like, hmm.

[00:04:37] Yeah.

[00:04:37] Yeah.

[00:04:38] I'm like, there we go.

[00:04:40] Just leave it.

[00:04:42] Now there's a hole in the glass.

[00:04:44] But yeah, massive, massive hole.

[00:04:47] So I had everyone who's been listening to the show knows how much my house is a piece of shit.

[00:04:55] So I had a dream the other day and I think I told you guys,

[00:04:58] but I'll tell the listeners.

[00:04:59] I had a dream the other day which I woke up laughing my ass off.

[00:05:04] And there, what happened was Alma's been talking about how she wants to widen the driveway because

[00:05:09] however, how our driveway is shaped is pretty idiotic because of the previous idiotic owners

[00:05:16] of this idiotic house.

[00:05:19] So I had a dream that we were going to expand the driveway.

[00:05:22] So we hired a company and the guy comes over with his jackhammer and he starts jackhammering

[00:05:27] the driveway to break it up.

[00:05:29] But nothing's happening to the driveway.

[00:05:32] He's like, and I'm looking at the driver.

[00:05:35] I'm like, yo, nothing's happening to drive away.

[00:05:36] And then I look behind me in my house is like shaking and falling apart into a pile of rubble.

[00:05:48] The bricks, the bricks are just shaking and like popping out and it is falling apart.

[00:05:54] But the driveway is fine.

[00:05:55] Yeah.

[00:05:57] Fuck.

[00:05:57] I woke up.

[00:05:59] I was trying to laugh my ass off because Alma was still sleeping.

[00:06:02] The money pit, Tom Hanks.

[00:06:04] Oh man.

[00:06:06] That was so funny.

[00:06:07] That's your house.

[00:06:08] Yeah, it is.

[00:06:09] It truly is.

[00:06:11] I want to tell you guys, I attended my first satanic worship last night.

[00:06:15] In what game?

[00:06:17] Well, other people may call it a Cirque du Soleil.

[00:06:22] But you went to Cirque du Soleil.

[00:06:24] That's not how you feel about it.

[00:06:25] These people are Satan worshippers.

[00:06:28] Mine were not.

[00:06:29] This skill, the talent to do all this shit.

[00:06:31] That's the only way.

[00:06:33] All these like goat masks and horns and antlers and all this fucking heretics.

[00:06:40] It's spooky season, man.

[00:06:41] It's coming up creepy as fuck.

[00:06:43] Like just like they're flying around lights like the red lights, orange lights and the music

[00:06:48] and that these horns and the people in the back.

[00:06:51] Like on the what the live music.

[00:06:53] Yeah, I didn't even fucking know that like the strings and everything.

[00:06:56] The orchestras all live music and back there, they're all painted black with black horns

[00:07:00] with like the silhouette.

[00:07:01] I'm like, geez man.

[00:07:02] Were the Wayne family there or did you see them leaving?

[00:07:07] Thomas Wayne.

[00:07:09] It was actually fantastic.

[00:07:12] It was very, very, very, very cool.

[00:07:14] That reminds me of the play from Tombstone.

[00:07:19] Remember that?

[00:07:22] There's like devils dancing around and he's using like a bottle

[00:07:25] of whiskey in the light for the like the lighting.

[00:07:28] Oh, yes.

[00:07:29] Yeah.

[00:07:29] Oh, that's cool.

[00:07:30] That's cool.

[00:07:30] But yeah, it was very, it was very cool.

[00:07:33] The music was unbelievable and just the sound how they had that set up in a fucking tent.

[00:07:38] Like it was an actual like top tent.

[00:07:40] Like a big top tent.

[00:07:41] A big top, big top to the big top.

[00:07:43] To the big top.

[00:07:44] They brought we went there but very cool.

[00:07:47] It's stunk.

[00:07:49] Oh, yeah.

[00:07:49] Like in the main like lobby area where all the snacks and shit where it smelled like

[00:07:53] dog feet.

[00:07:54] You know that smell dog like dog?

[00:07:56] Ritos.

[00:07:57] Yeah, like a cheese paw.

[00:07:59] You know, yeah, like cheetos.

[00:08:01] My dogs don't smell.

[00:08:03] My dogs are your paws.

[00:08:05] Their paws are like this big.

[00:08:06] You can't really smell my dogs do not smell like dogs.

[00:08:09] They smell like fluffy furry little beautiful.

[00:08:15] It's too bad.

[00:08:16] That one is personally worshipers saying doesn't exactly reflect his smell.

[00:08:21] Oh man, but yeah had a good time last night.

[00:08:24] Very cool.

[00:08:25] Very cool.

[00:08:26] Just the performances like that's like I was just watching these.

[00:08:30] They're freaks of nature.

[00:08:31] These people like it's crazy.

[00:08:33] Yeah, that's why they call him circus freak freak show.

[00:08:36] Yeah, circus freaks, but man they are at the circus.

[00:08:41] They are talented.

[00:08:42] Like it's bearded lady.

[00:08:42] Absolutely insane.

[00:08:45] Absolutely insane.

[00:08:45] Just like the like the practice they have to do like how good they have to be.

[00:08:50] I only saw like one or a couple of mistakes and like the rest they may have been making

[00:08:56] mistakes, but I didn't really notice.

[00:08:58] Holy moly it was it was really, really, really fun.

[00:09:02] Really cool.

[00:09:02] Cool.

[00:09:03] The grease man.

[00:09:04] The grease man.

[00:09:04] Oh yeah.

[00:09:05] Grease man.

[00:09:06] Oceans, oceans.

[00:09:07] Yeah, the grease man.

[00:09:10] That's him.

[00:09:11] Just a bunch of grease man.

[00:09:12] Just a bunch of grease man.

[00:09:13] And then the guy had just to go so high up and then when they fall and all that.

[00:09:17] I don't know.

[00:09:17] It's really cool.

[00:09:18] Really cool.

[00:09:19] No one fell on their spine?

[00:09:21] No.

[00:09:21] On their head?

[00:09:22] No, but you don't.

[00:09:22] Like the last time they were in town.

[00:09:24] Oh really?

[00:09:25] Is that what happened?

[00:09:25] Yeah.

[00:09:26] Yeah.

[00:09:26] Remember Eric was there?

[00:09:28] No, I don't remember that.

[00:09:30] Yeah, everybody, Eric was at some Cirque du Soleil thing and said one of the

[00:09:35] per-people like fell on top of their fucking head and just like the whole

[00:09:38] thing had just got canceled.

[00:09:40] Wow.

[00:09:42] Wow.

[00:09:43] Well, that's the risk.

[00:09:44] That's what they signed up for.

[00:09:46] That is.

[00:09:47] Being a grease man.

[00:09:48] That's what you get.

[00:09:49] There's a risk being a grease man.

[00:09:50] But they all worship the devil first, then they put the show on, right?

[00:09:54] And then they continue to worship the devil throughout the show, which gives them

[00:09:59] extra power.

[00:10:00] Super power, yeah.

[00:10:02] Yeah, that's what I was up to last night.

[00:10:04] Interesting.

[00:10:05] I played two hours of hockey.

[00:10:07] Two hours.

[00:10:09] God.

[00:10:10] Jonathan, you're going to see the the hobbits tonight.

[00:10:13] The panel of the boys.

[00:10:15] The four hobbits are at Comic Con tonight.

[00:10:17] Yeah, that's crazy.

[00:10:18] And we're going.

[00:10:19] And Ottawa.

[00:10:20] That's a big fucking deal for Ottawa.

[00:10:22] Like usually you get like,

[00:10:23] you get shitty characters that nobody's ever heard of who's been in like one

[00:10:27] thing and Ottawa.

[00:10:28] Like the cart, the cart, the cart rider.

[00:10:32] Yeah.

[00:10:32] Fucking.

[00:10:34] Blue jean guy.

[00:10:35] Well, yesterday, yesterday, Robert Patrick was here.

[00:10:40] Why do I know that name?

[00:10:40] Robert Patrick.

[00:10:42] I know Robert.

[00:10:43] Oh, yeah.

[00:10:44] Oh, yeah.

[00:10:44] Yeah.

[00:10:45] Yeah.

[00:10:45] Right.

[00:10:46] Greg got his autograph.

[00:10:48] That's cool.

[00:10:48] Oh, wow.

[00:10:49] Robert.

[00:10:50] I know Robert.

[00:10:50] I was also known as John.

[00:10:52] I was like, you should have got you should have brought a picture of John Conner

[00:10:55] and and asked him to sign it.

[00:10:57] Have you seen this boy or like asked him?

[00:11:00] Yeah, he's seen this boy.

[00:11:02] But that's what he has.

[00:11:03] I said that before when he was in line.

[00:11:05] So he got him to say he got him to sign his picture of like T1000.

[00:11:09] It says, have you seen this boy?

[00:11:11] Greg, have you seen this boy?

[00:11:12] That's sweet.

[00:11:13] He signed it.

[00:11:13] Also known as Agent John Don.

[00:11:15] You know, he should have got a picture of himself.

[00:11:18] Greg should have brought a picture of himself.

[00:11:20] And he got him to sign that.

[00:11:21] Have you seen this boy?

[00:11:23] Robert Patrick.

[00:11:24] Nice.

[00:11:25] That's cool.

[00:11:26] Yeah.

[00:11:27] And I guess Rufio was there.

[00:11:28] The guy who played Rufio.

[00:11:29] Yeah.

[00:11:29] I like a lot of the guys keep sending me the links

[00:11:31] because they were trying to get me to go to the Toronto one

[00:11:34] or John Reese Davies was.

[00:11:37] That is gimli for those who don't know.

[00:11:41] And a bunch of other people and they're all sending me links

[00:11:43] and I'm like, man, I can't afford to go there right now.

[00:11:46] That's just not something I want to spend money on.

[00:11:48] And like plus it's fine listening to people at a panel or whatever.

[00:11:53] I don't really want to meet anyone.

[00:11:54] That's weird.

[00:11:55] Don't meet your heroes.

[00:11:56] Okay.

[00:11:57] Just don't do it.

[00:11:59] However, Fril House met Hayden Christensen

[00:12:02] because like Anakin is his favorite character of all time.

[00:12:04] And he said it was.

[00:12:05] He's from Toronto, isn't he?

[00:12:06] Yeah.

[00:12:07] And he said like obviously it was a gamble,

[00:12:09] but he was like willing to do it.

[00:12:10] And it was like one of the most life changing memorable

[00:12:13] experiences that he'll probably have.

[00:12:15] So I think that Matt's lucky.

[00:12:16] Like I said, I might have said that before,

[00:12:18] but I'll always say never meet your heroes,

[00:12:20] but I'll go listen to a panel or whatever and listen to them talk.

[00:12:23] Yeah, we're just going to the panel.

[00:12:25] Interviews and interview questions, I guess.

[00:12:28] Yeah.

[00:12:29] Which I've heard.

[00:12:30] I'll say you've probably heard the man sir one billion times.

[00:12:33] Yeah, true.

[00:12:34] We did listen to the podcast, their podcast for a long time.

[00:12:37] Yeah.

[00:12:38] But yeah, we'll see.

[00:12:40] Cool.

[00:12:40] Anything else before we head over to the game time?

[00:12:43] I saw something funny on Instagram that I thought I would tell you guys

[00:12:47] because I've never seen it before.

[00:12:49] It was somebody had posted something like screenshots from Pokemon,

[00:12:54] one of the older games on it looked like Game Boy or whatever.

[00:12:58] And someone named their Pokemon their Bulbasaur.

[00:13:00] Oh shit.

[00:13:00] He did you guys see this?

[00:13:02] No.

[00:13:03] And so it's like every time it makes an announcement,

[00:13:06] it's like oh shit.

[00:13:07] He grew to level 10.

[00:13:08] Oh shit.

[00:13:09] He woke up.

[00:13:10] Exclamation mark.

[00:13:11] Or oh shit.

[00:13:12] He learned sleep powder.

[00:13:13] And then the best one was the best one was what?

[00:13:16] Oh shit.

[00:13:17] He is evolving.

[00:13:19] So I never seen that.

[00:13:21] I was like, oh, that's genius.

[00:13:22] If I if I didn't care about my characters and stuff and like gameplay.

[00:13:26] Yeah.

[00:13:26] I never changed my names.

[00:13:29] Oh shit.

[00:13:29] He's evolving.

[00:13:31] Oh my god.

[00:13:32] Oh shit.

[00:13:33] He used sneak attack or some shit.

[00:13:36] All right.

[00:13:37] We're going to head over to game time now,

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[00:15:03] All right, we're back.

[00:15:04] We're back and we're in game time now.

[00:15:08] All right.

[00:15:09] Oh, wow.

[00:15:10] So guys, I can tell you what I'm not playing anymore.

[00:15:15] Concord.

[00:15:16] Yeah.

[00:15:17] Yep.

[00:15:17] Well, well, you and nobody else.

[00:15:20] Me and 30 other people, I suppose.

[00:15:24] The officially announced the game is dead.

[00:15:26] A couple of days prior to when they officially announced it,

[00:15:30] I just saw like I couldn't, I was not getting any matches.

[00:15:34] Like 15 minutes waiting for matches.

[00:15:36] I was like, holy shit changing up the like the modes still like 10,

[00:15:42] 15 minutes, nothing, nothing.

[00:15:43] I was like, okay, there it is.

[00:15:44] It's like officially dead.

[00:15:46] There's absolutely nobody fucking playing this game.

[00:15:48] I think it's the first time in gaming history.

[00:15:51] I have heard this being done where they just,

[00:15:54] they come out and they're like, okay, well,

[00:15:56] we're just going to pull it from shelves and refund the 400 people that bought this game.

[00:16:02] Like, isn't that crazy?

[00:16:04] I find it crazy.

[00:16:05] I can't help but feel sad.

[00:16:06] I just can't help but feel the sadness of the developers.

[00:16:10] It's sad.

[00:16:11] It'll be back though.

[00:16:11] Here's what's going to happen.

[00:16:13] Here's what's going to happen.

[00:16:14] Have they mentioned anything about what they're going to do,

[00:16:16] what their plans are?

[00:16:17] No.

[00:16:17] Because what they need to do, here's what they need to do.

[00:16:20] They need to make their money back at least.

[00:16:22] So they have to, they have to bring it back somehow.

[00:16:24] If this game costs that much to make and it spent that long,

[00:16:28] what eight years they said to make this freaking game,

[00:16:30] which I can't believe,

[00:16:32] they're going to make it free to play,

[00:16:36] put a bunch of microtransactions in there,

[00:16:39] try to make their money back for a couple years

[00:16:41] and they'll shut it down in two years.

[00:16:43] That's what's going to happen.

[00:16:45] If they don't do that, they're morons.

[00:16:47] They also have to like redesign those skins because they're so bad.

[00:16:50] Yeah, they'll have to add more skins and stuff for the microtransactions or whatever.

[00:16:55] But it's so sad.

[00:16:57] It's so funny because we were talking about this game being like,

[00:17:00] the model is that they don't want to do,

[00:17:02] they're probably trying to fight against the microtransaction.

[00:17:06] There it is.

[00:17:06] Let's make a game where that doesn't happen

[00:17:08] and you just buy it like games of old.

[00:17:11] No, but when you're cloning a free to play game

[00:17:15] with a game that costs $50,

[00:17:19] you're why do you think that that would work?

[00:17:22] Because you have an established game.

[00:17:24] It's an Overwatch clone.

[00:17:25] That's what it is.

[00:17:26] Overwatch has been out for fucking years.

[00:17:28] It's got millions of players.

[00:17:29] Yeah, what I don't understand is how they didn't look at Overwatch

[00:17:31] and say, why is this like successful?

[00:17:35] Right?

[00:17:36] Because it's free.

[00:17:37] And they, well, because listen,

[00:17:40] I'm going to put Blizzard on a pedestal now,

[00:17:42] even though they don't deserve like,

[00:17:44] when they release a game, it's usually very like polished.

[00:17:51] It's researched.

[00:17:53] It's like cycle analyzed to make money.

[00:17:57] Okay?

[00:17:58] They put designs together on their characters over

[00:18:03] years and years of like all this kind of stuff.

[00:18:08] Like months and months.

[00:18:09] These characters look this way

[00:18:10] because this is how kids' brains react

[00:18:13] and how they're going to spend money.

[00:18:14] Okay?

[00:18:15] Like if you look at the characters in Overwatch,

[00:18:18] they're fantastic.

[00:18:19] You think that's what they do?

[00:18:21] What?

[00:18:22] They research what?

[00:18:23] They just have good character design.

[00:18:26] There's...

[00:18:26] Yeah, but there's a reason why, right?

[00:18:29] And I think Blizzard has been in the forefront of

[00:18:34] creating these kind of games since Diablo.

[00:18:36] Like the first and second Diablo.

[00:18:39] Okay?

[00:18:40] Like how people would like to spend money,

[00:18:42] how to make money in a video game

[00:18:44] and how people like perceive their, all these characters.

[00:18:47] But like over coming back to Overwatch...

[00:18:49] I wasn't like that back then.

[00:18:50] Yeah, but coming back to like Overwatch and Overwatch 2,

[00:18:52] the character design is like superb.

[00:18:55] It's just that's the way it is.

[00:18:58] You've got these hot chicks,

[00:19:01] asses sticking up on high heels, right?

[00:19:04] And like their majority of their players are boys,

[00:19:07] 16 years old, 18 years old, 20 years old.

[00:19:10] Yeah, they want to see ass, right?

[00:19:13] They want to see abs, tits, right?

[00:19:15] That's half...

[00:19:17] And shoot things and look at flashy and colors

[00:19:20] and all this stuff.

[00:19:21] Like that's how it is.

[00:19:22] I'm sorry.

[00:19:23] Okay, all the other successful free-to-play games,

[00:19:27] that's...

[00:19:27] They all monetize that kind of sex appeal as well.

[00:19:30] Like that new one, first descendence or whatever.

[00:19:33] You should see the freaking skins in that game.

[00:19:36] Like holy shit man.

[00:19:37] Well you know what they need to do

[00:19:38] is stop trying to make ground-breaking,

[00:19:41] earth-shattering FPS games because they're dying.

[00:19:44] Yeah, they're done.

[00:19:45] Like they're so oversaturated.

[00:19:47] Now granted, on the other hand though,

[00:19:49] yes it's oversaturated but on the other hand it's like

[00:19:52] something's got to come up next.

[00:19:53] So who's going to do it?

[00:19:55] You know what I mean?

[00:19:55] Like something's got to replace Apex

[00:19:57] some time or another in the esports leagues.

[00:20:00] Something's got to come out that's better.

[00:20:01] What's it going to be?

[00:20:02] Who's going to do it?

[00:20:03] It's just you're going to have these ones incrementally

[00:20:05] in between that'll fall and die

[00:20:06] and something's going to break through.

[00:20:08] It's either that or they just keep doing that.

[00:20:11] It's an established game though.

[00:20:12] Like Overwatch, Apex, Call of Duty.

[00:20:16] Yeah but they got there somehow

[00:20:17] they had to start somewhere so

[00:20:19] it's either they do that or they just fucking start.

[00:20:21] But they started when there was no battle royales.

[00:20:26] They started when like Call of Duty's

[00:20:28] Call of Duty's been out for fucking 20 years.

[00:20:31] You know what I mean?

[00:20:32] Like more than that.

[00:20:33] It was there in the beginning so it's still there.

[00:20:36] It was established.

[00:20:38] You can't just create an Overwatch clone

[00:20:41] and charge 40 American dollars for it.

[00:20:45] They said they started making this

[00:20:47] when Overwatch was announced.

[00:20:50] That's when they said they started making this.

[00:20:52] Like how?

[00:20:53] Yeah like what the fuck?

[00:20:54] It's a bunch of lies to just lie through their teeth.

[00:20:56] Yeah that's gotta be a lie.

[00:20:58] But I mean it'll come out.

[00:20:59] That's just to cover their asses

[00:21:01] when someone says it's an Overwatch clip.

[00:21:03] We started developing this at the same time.

[00:21:06] Yeah I don't think so.

[00:21:08] But either way they still lose when they say that

[00:21:10] because it's like well why did Overwatch come out first

[00:21:12] and you guys didn't kind of thing?

[00:21:14] Yeah they'll release it on all platforms

[00:21:17] free to play.

[00:21:17] They have to.

[00:21:19] And microtransactions they'll make some money back

[00:21:21] and then shut it down.

[00:21:22] That's what's gonna happen.

[00:21:23] Or that's what they should do.

[00:21:24] It doesn't matter who did it first.

[00:21:27] Sorry better it's who did it first.

[00:21:30] Right is that what they say?

[00:21:32] Is that what they say?

[00:21:32] They say it doesn't matter who does it better.

[00:21:35] Who does it first?

[00:21:36] Yeah but it's like they didn't learn anything.

[00:21:38] It's like they looked at their competition

[00:21:40] and just did like not learn a thing.

[00:21:43] Yeah the game itself was fun.

[00:21:47] If you get through the character skins all that.

[00:21:49] Yeah but you gotta get people playing it

[00:21:51] and you don't do that by paying $40 on just

[00:21:54] like what is it on PC and PS5?

[00:21:57] Two platforms?

[00:21:58] Now the $40 or the $50 like I said earlier

[00:22:03] we're going to this again.

[00:22:04] I don't really want to repeat myself but

[00:22:06] if they offered more then I think people would have went in.

[00:22:10] If they showed the game, if they designed their characters better

[00:22:13] the skins better, showed the game, offered more.

[00:22:16] I think $40 was...

[00:22:17] The only way?

[00:22:18] No the only way they would have got $40

[00:22:20] is if they had like a campaign mode or something.

[00:22:23] Some kind of story or offline mode or something.

[00:22:25] Otherwise you can't charge.

[00:22:28] You can't charge that.

[00:22:29] You can't charge for free.

[00:22:31] It's a free to play game.

[00:22:32] You can't triple stamp a double stamp Lloyd.

[00:22:34] Yeah Lloyd.

[00:22:35] So I predict we'll see that maybe in the next

[00:22:39] little bit.

[00:22:40] Okay that's a prediction from Take it Easy Johnno.

[00:22:42] Now Dandoff the wise hasn't made one in a while so

[00:22:45] we'll take that one.

[00:22:47] Now Daniel you said oh what's the next shooter

[00:22:49] that's going to come out?

[00:22:50] You know what's the next thing?

[00:22:52] Well there might be something on the horizon.

[00:22:56] Created by Valve it's called Deadlock.

[00:23:01] I don't think so.

[00:23:03] Okay now.

[00:23:04] I don't think so too.

[00:23:05] Well I don't think for us.

[00:23:06] No I don't think so but like...

[00:23:07] I'll tell you why in a second.

[00:23:09] Let's talk about what Deadlock is.

[00:23:11] Me and Jonathan played a little bit.

[00:23:12] It's a MOBA shooter so it's like your Dota 2 or your

[00:23:17] League of Legends but in like a third person shooter

[00:23:20] perspective much like Smite but it's more...

[00:23:25] It's like Fortnite.

[00:23:26] Yeah it's like Fortnite but MOBA.

[00:23:29] But MOBA yeah.

[00:23:30] But MOBA shooter.

[00:23:31] I played like three hours of it I think and I just...

[00:23:35] That's like three matches.

[00:23:36] Yeah.

[00:23:37] And they were bot matches.

[00:23:38] Oh no I played one real life match with all

[00:23:40] real people and then two bot matches and there's

[00:23:42] still 45-50 minutes of match.

[00:23:45] God I don't take time for that shit.

[00:23:47] No.

[00:23:48] Yeah.

[00:23:49] Here's why I don't think this will be that

[00:23:52] like good maybe?

[00:23:53] The next genre?

[00:23:54] Is that much?

[00:23:54] The next Tegav genre.

[00:23:56] Yeah no it takes too fucking long first of all like you said

[00:23:58] but second of all there's too much shit in it.

[00:24:01] There's too much like skills and upgrades.

[00:24:04] Yeah skills upgrades all that crap.

[00:24:06] Yeah there's times.

[00:24:07] Shooter players if you're a shooter player and you're

[00:24:11] looking for like a new shooter like that's

[00:24:13] not what you're looking for.

[00:24:14] Me as a shooter player that's not what I want to do.

[00:24:18] You know it's too much.

[00:24:20] Yeah.

[00:24:20] Like that's a League of Legends thing.

[00:24:23] That's what League of Legends is.

[00:24:26] Well they're probably more.

[00:24:27] League of Legends players are not gonna

[00:24:29] fucking leave League to play a shooter.

[00:24:31] You know what I mean?

[00:24:32] They're not going to do that.

[00:24:35] It's shooter players who are going to be playing this game.

[00:24:37] I think.

[00:24:37] Shooter players I think do not want to do all that crap.

[00:24:40] I think Valve Dota fanboys will definitely go play this.

[00:24:45] It's too much crap.

[00:24:47] It's too much shit.

[00:24:47] Yeah there was times of shit there.

[00:24:49] Times of crap.

[00:24:50] What the fuck am I doing?

[00:24:51] I gotta go back to the shop now.

[00:24:52] Yeah that was stupid too.

[00:24:54] Usually in a mobile you can hold down a button.

[00:24:56] It takes you back right?

[00:24:58] This side.

[00:24:59] Because you do that.

[00:25:00] Yeah I don't think.

[00:25:01] No I don't think so.

[00:25:02] I had to jump back on the tram and ride my way back.

[00:25:04] That was fine to shop.

[00:25:06] Fucking stupid that was absolutely idiotic.

[00:25:07] Just like traversing around is kind of annoying in the game.

[00:25:11] It's not just take way too long like I just bind things and I don't know.

[00:25:16] Yeah it's not for me and I don't I don't know if I speak I don't speak for all

[00:25:19] shooter players obviously but.

[00:25:22] Well that's your main too much.

[00:25:24] That's your big thing though.

[00:25:25] It's too much to do in a shooter game.

[00:25:28] You are our shooter representative.

[00:25:30] Shooter!

[00:25:31] We're friends aren't we Shooter McAvon?

[00:25:34] Oh we're friends.

[00:25:35] That should be your next game today.

[00:25:39] Shooter McAvon.

[00:25:41] Oh man I started playing Apex yesterday again.

[00:25:45] Oh I saw you.

[00:25:45] Back into it.

[00:25:47] I had a big game with a random caustic game that I had to play for challenges.

[00:25:52] Had fucking like 15 kills.

[00:25:53] Nice.

[00:25:54] So sweet.

[00:25:55] I jumped I was like ah Concord shut down I'll jump back and overwatch and I was like fuck yes.

[00:26:02] So much better.

[00:26:04] It's a fucking night and day praise.

[00:26:06] Wow yeah man the new season of Apex is sweet because you get to fucking just

[00:26:09] respawn it's a revival game.

[00:26:11] You just jump in and as long as your teammates are still alive you get to

[00:26:14] respawn.

[00:26:15] Is that forever and forever good?

[00:26:17] I think so yeah.

[00:26:18] Oh wow.

[00:26:19] It's just in the game now.

[00:26:20] Is that a different mode or is that the now original mode it just...

[00:26:23] It's a different mode.

[00:26:25] Okay.

[00:26:25] It's a new mode it's like revival then there's regular treos and then there's

[00:26:28] ranked or whatever.

[00:26:30] Cool.

[00:26:30] Yeah it's and you get more kills it's funner you're always going.

[00:26:34] Yeah I'll have to try it because I'd like I liked there was another

[00:26:37] there was another one that did that.

[00:26:40] Was it Warzone?

[00:26:42] Warzone has resurgence yeah.

[00:26:43] Yeah I didn't mind I didn't mind resurgence because I was always in the fucking match you know.

[00:26:48] Yeah resurgence that's what it is it's basically resurgence.

[00:26:50] Which is like the main game mode that everyone plays in Warzone now.

[00:26:54] Yeah like the ranked the ranked mode in in Warzone is resurgence.

[00:26:58] Oh okay cool.

[00:27:00] So it's just like always you're always coming back as long as your teammates still alive.

[00:27:03] Yeah that's the only way I'll play those fucking games.

[00:27:07] I've got others but does anybody else want to go now?

[00:27:10] I think I'm done with Diablo 4.

[00:27:12] Yeah did you even try the gauntlet?

[00:27:16] Yeah I tried a couple times I don't need to do that.

[00:27:18] Well you guys are looking at a 10th top 10 rogue right here on Diablo 4.

[00:27:25] I went through the gauntlet top 10 but it's probably I've probably got pushed down what?

[00:27:30] Of rogues top 10 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10.

[00:27:35] It's just a time trial.

[00:27:37] I don't believe you either I don't believe you there as well.

[00:27:39] I sent a fucking picture okay.

[00:27:40] I sent a picture in the chat but it's a dungeon time trial grind thing.

[00:27:45] But that probably I've probably pushed down to like 500 000 it's a place by now

[00:27:49] because I haven't logged in in three or four days but I was at one point top 10 rogue this season.

[00:27:56] Okay yeah well there you go.

[00:27:58] I mean I tried it a couple times so I didn't really know what the fuck I was doing but

[00:28:02] it's cool I like it like you get your build ready you got to get your build

[00:28:06] ready for like the yeah you have to customize your build for that and I didn't do that and I was like

[00:28:13] I think I got 400th or something like that.

[00:28:16] I was like okay.

[00:28:17] And then you gotta get the map like there's a certain websites that'll show you the map

[00:28:22] uncovered and give you a picture to download then you can put it into paint and you

[00:28:27] map out your routes to get optimal points and score you map them out and then you put it into action.

[00:28:34] I just figured I have you know I can do a t8 horde mode so low and not that I would

[00:28:41] takes forever but you've beat all the bosses right all the uber bosses.

[00:28:44] Yeah I think I've beat all the bosses so like uber lily's down yeah uber lily's killed I have

[00:28:50] three mythics I don't need to do anything else I don't think yeah that's it man that's the

[00:28:55] Diablo season that's how you that's how you play and then you usually you usually finish that

[00:28:59] in a month or so and then you've got you take two three months off and then you jump in the next

[00:29:04] season fucking do it again now this is what Diablo is this is what I need them to do when the next

[00:29:11] when the expansion comes out they need to give more customizable options like what do you mean

[00:29:16] if you're continuing to roll new characters every season you have to have more customizable

[00:29:23] options for your face hair tattoos you gotta give us a little bit more if we're keep rolling new

[00:29:28] characters like for the character yeah it's design models and design creation yeah yeah yeah yeah

[00:29:33] oh yeah there's not a lot to choose from that's like I've already I think I've tried them all out

[00:29:38] like every character fucking customization I've tried so yeah let's go give us give us some new

[00:29:46] hair styles fuck give us some new skins ass and titties the man is bald he needs more hair options

[00:29:57] let him live vicariously through his character give him overwatch skins and he'll play oh yeah

[00:30:03] give me some of my widow skins it's all about the tracer the tracer yeah

[00:30:11] um jordan you have been playing star wars outlook tell us about that

[00:30:15] well I am about four hours or so in yeah about like six or seven and I uh I mean I'm enjoying it

[00:30:24] enough to keep playing some things are a bit wonky though I mean like when enemies see see you

[00:30:30] sometimes doesn't make any sense because I'll be like fully hiding behind like a box or something

[00:30:35] and they'll see me and it'll fuck everything up and I'm like how did it's how did they see me

[00:30:39] like I'm literally crouched and then the next time when I retry it I'm in the same spot and

[00:30:45] they don't see me so like what the hell is that the movement is pretty clunky also oh yeah uh

[00:30:51] whether it's trying to like mantle over rocks or jump over objects it's just bad um I got

[00:30:58] something there so I was trying to get into this off onto this ledge okay there was a ledge

[00:31:03] and it was about as high as I was okay I was like well how do I get to this door you can't mantle

[00:31:08] onto everything so yeah exactly so I'm trying to mantle onto this ledge and it's not letting me I'm

[00:31:12] like what the flying fuck so there's a little box a tiny box beside where I hop on this tiny box

[00:31:18] and then it lets me mantle oh but it was like just like a head a head too low size too so you

[00:31:26] need to have a specific height then well and just some things you can't mantle onto and

[00:31:30] you just like jump and you're just like oh yeah flying in the air and just like

[00:31:34] like floating on things just like it's just really bad um the speeder control is god awful

[00:31:42] on both controller and mouse and keyboard I just crash it all the time into everything it's

[00:31:46] so fun you can upgrade that like handling speed uh I don't know all that it was just the controls

[00:31:53] I feel is bad oh spaceship controls also I read you can't shoot blasters while riding your

[00:31:59] speeder which was a deliberate choice from the developers because they were like we don't

[00:32:03] want you to feel like you can just kind of do that and ride in on everything and just shoot

[00:32:07] from your blaster like they wanted the blast they wanted the the speeder to be more of like a

[00:32:12] cinematic thing like when you're getting chased that's what the focus is is the movement

[00:32:16] it's dramatic dropping out at 24 fps fuck on the fucking when I smash into a bantha in the

[00:32:23] middle of a field and go flying off nothing else around but I thought you could like do a

[00:32:28] pause or not a pause like a like a bullet time where you press shift while you're on your speeder

[00:32:33] and it'll I didn't try that and you can like pin the enemy's heads and then she'll go do do do

[00:32:38] in the middle on the speeder yeah I'm pretty sure you can I don't know I just crashed all the time

[00:32:43] spaceship controls also was really bad yeah in that one space it was so fucking bad I was trying

[00:32:49] to get through some broken ships or something and so what the fuck man like it's just like it

[00:32:55] moves like really fast and I'm like well and then you move your mouse and it's like

[00:33:00] you can't track anything it's it was just not good but the good things yes let's get on the

[00:33:05] good things here the sound really good yes yes the music sound sound design and the music is

[00:33:12] really good nice the quests I've enjoyed so far like I do like sneaking around though so I've

[00:33:17] always liked that kind of play style you know be it playing through oblivion or skyram or the

[00:33:22] old thief games just sneaking around stealing stuff I like that so if you don't like that there's a lot

[00:33:28] of that in this game including multiple quests where you have to start over if you get caught so I was

[00:33:35] so angry at those fuck but I like that choosing to side with factions I like I can screw anyone

[00:33:43] over at any time and I think that's pretty cool but yeah so far I'm having as a bounty hunter

[00:33:48] kind of scoundrel yeah style I'm not sure I love the character the main character like

[00:33:56] she's okay but like she seems like a bit of a noob I would have I would have preferred maybe some more

[00:34:03] someone a bit more seasoned you know maybe a little what I think the point is that she's on that

[00:34:09] journey and you're taking her through that journey to be a yeah I hope that yeah I hope that it gets

[00:34:14] like her voice lines and her maybe her general like mannerisms kind of change because confident

[00:34:22] or something yeah towards the end of the story yeah because there's a lot of like

[00:34:26] not non-confidence you know what I mean like whenever she's replying to things she's like oh

[00:34:31] yeah I meant to do that like I hope that I hope that she becomes a better character yeah interesting

[00:34:40] as you go on but yeah that's so far I'm having fun with they'll keep playing it that's for sure

[00:34:46] yep I did rent it I didn't buy though I ran it off Ubisoft plus for $20 20 bucks for the month

[00:34:52] we're gonna try to beat it before the month's up hopefully I think it's only like a 25 hour

[00:34:58] experience I thought I read yeah main story yeah the main story and I haven't even really been

[00:35:04] playing the main story I was kind of like just driving around in the speeder stealing stuff

[00:35:09] they said though there's something some vault over here you're gonna go like grab a key card and

[00:35:14] I'm like oh okay so I rolled in and I had to like sneak around um and try to get this get into this

[00:35:20] little building and yeah and then I was like oh this isn't even the main story oh geez okay

[00:35:25] and then I went to do the main story after that I've also been playing uh everything that

[00:35:30] he's said I concur doctor uh what I was gonna say something else oh so I've been doing a lot of

[00:35:41] the photo mode in there great the game looks I find it looks beautiful well from what I can

[00:35:49] see in the photo mode uh yes but that is also pc so yeah so yeah console gamers are in that's

[00:35:56] perhaps also also I'm on the outlaw console I'm on the outlaw setting which is like

[00:36:03] the the max tippity top of the graphic settings that you have to unlock with a with a launch

[00:36:11] parameter so if you launch the game with a parameter it's called there's a little little

[00:36:17] string of like a little code and it unlocks the actual like future proof max graphic

[00:36:25] settings which I'm running on and those shots are from that looks unbelievable looks unbelievable

[00:36:33] runs like shit like it completely it completely demolishes my settings the settings were

[00:36:39] fucking horrible like the d the dls s and whatever shit upscaling they had max rate

[00:36:44] tracing on the default settings it was horrible it was like flash the textures were all blurry

[00:36:50] they were flashing in and out I'm like this what the fuck is this game doing I had to completely

[00:36:55] turn off all upscaling and go to native resolution for it to look normal it looked like a nintendo 64

[00:37:03] fucking game I was like what the hell is this yeah because what I think it would like slow down

[00:37:07] and it would crash and I would have to restart it then it would look normal again and then it

[00:37:10] would just do it again after like a little while and everything was just blurry I could

[00:37:16] and I shut everything off and I just went native and so if anybody else is playing this game

[00:37:21] and your game is crashing it's the frame generation toggle turn that shit off if you turn that off

[00:37:27] your game will most likely be stable but like that's what they do right so they send you into the

[00:37:34] game and it's an nvidia shield game right so they'll just like all max those ray tracing effects

[00:37:39] but put everything else like as long as the ray tracing effects are on max you know put the

[00:37:45] put the upscaling on ultra performance so it looks like ball sack you know what I mean or it's

[00:37:51] fucking terrible so like you go in I take all that ray tracing I you can't turn it off you can't

[00:37:56] turn the ray tracing off in this game you can turn raytracing lighting off you can turn it to

[00:38:01] low shadows no I turned it off no you cannot turn it off unless you go into the config file and you

[00:38:07] take out the lines of the ray tracing and then when you go when you boot back into the

[00:38:11] game with the config file edited it's like a completely disgusting like it looks it's like

[00:38:18] super I think it's super bright like overexposed like everything you can't see anything so like

[00:38:25] they did this in another game where they forced you because of was an nvidia like sponsored game

[00:38:31] or something like that and they forced you to have ray tracing effects on there's there's

[00:38:35] what you're talking about is there's a there's a toggle for this new like nvidia lighting thing

[00:38:41] where it will like enhance the ray tracing a little bit you can turn that off but you can't

[00:38:45] turn off the ray tracing effects you can only turn those down to low so even if you go in with a

[00:38:53] pretty good computer like my amd card I have to turn that shit to low and I can't even turn it

[00:38:59] off you know how much frames I would get if I could turn all that shit off fuck that that

[00:39:03] bothered me but the game looks amazing I'm not getting crazy performance because the ray

[00:39:09] tracing is forced on but it gets playable like a 60 70 frame card yeah 60 70 frames ultra wide

[00:39:18] 2k resolution so it looks really really nice but when I jump on that speeder it

[00:39:23] fucking goes down like the fps holy crap 40 45 maybe shit but yeah the level designs are really cool

[00:39:32] when you go in I went to go get like this piece of gear from a busted up or crashed

[00:39:39] imperial spaceship and like going through the imperial spaceship like the design like it's a

[00:39:45] mac it was so good it was like the first the first quest where you meet that dude in the jar

[00:39:52] like that oh that one too yeah that was sweet too that was like no that was out in space where

[00:39:56] you landed into the where you had the imperial base yeah no I'm talking about imperial fuel station

[00:40:01] or something yeah I'm talking about the one that was on the planet that you go this might be after

[00:40:06] this might be after that where you go to get a power source a power source for your ship or something

[00:40:10] but man it was really cool like the dust falling from like all the wires hanging and very very cool

[00:40:18] she's pretty cool like said she's very like newbish um other than that like I I'm

[00:40:25] enjoying like that the sound is so cool I just like blend the sound the lights when it's the

[00:40:29] hdr is on and all that on the OLED looks fantastic yeah the sound is great on the on my uh Kiwi ears

[00:40:38] orchestra lights and my fio uh headset amplifier or whatever the fuck this is uh yeah a headphone

[00:40:47] amplifier sounds great sounds great nice crisp Daniel you got anything while I am distracted by a

[00:40:56] thought I had when you guys kept talking about the main character being cool like are there any

[00:41:01] character video game characters we can think of that are like losers and you're like fuck I don't

[00:41:05] want to play this game because this guy is a loser or this should have a we should have a huge

[00:41:10] episode about that interesting the most loserish characters in video games like I don't want to

[00:41:17] play the main characters loser anyway I just had a thought that's interesting uh because that would

[00:41:23] make me not want to play so I didn't like my main character or something yeah uh yeah okay so my

[00:41:30] game time um well I loaded up the ps5 the other night and just because I was like looking for

[00:41:35] something to play but I didn't know what and I I didn't know what I had in this in the disc

[00:41:39] tray on the ps this is weird on the ps5 and I was like clicking all these games is like need the disc

[00:41:44] you need the disc you need the disc and then I clicked marvel spider man and it loaded up and

[00:41:48] I was like but it's not in the and I don't it's not in the disc tray and I don't remember having

[00:41:52] that digital so I don't know what's going on there but for some reason I was able to just

[00:41:55] play that on a on a whim I was like okay fuck I'll play some spider man because I was in the

[00:41:59] middle of the black cat dlc the city that never sleeps the first one yeah oh but you bought

[00:42:06] it still just played the second one yeah because I didn't beat the dlc I could start it but I don't

[00:42:10] know oh you didn't play the second one yeah so I'm in the middle of the city that never sleeps dlc

[00:42:16] and I was just playing that for a bit and it was my first time playing this on the OLED which

[00:42:20] is really cool because you know it's spider man at night and shit it looks so good like all the

[00:42:26] shadows and all the lights of the buildings at night are oh man you got a second one

[00:42:31] second one's good well you played Morales right yeah I played Miles okay the second one there's a

[00:42:38] really good Coney Island like fair yeah oh yeah that would look really good on the OLED

[00:42:43] yeah so I was playing that and I felt like I was fumbling around like I used to be so good at

[00:42:48] combat in that game and now I'm just like what do we do and I'm just like punching kicking

[00:42:53] but I feel like that's all it really is if you're not using your gadgets and yeah

[00:42:58] yeah I mean dodging perfect dodging perfect dodges and counters and stuff like that but I couldn't

[00:43:03] remember how to do specific ones and against like enemies with shields and stuff so I was like

[00:43:09] fumbling around with that man I love the combat in that game but yeah it's good I don't really

[00:43:15] remember it's it's such on the borderline of like super easy and like just like

[00:43:22] mat you're like just mashing the buttons that come up on screen but it's fun because

[00:43:26] the animations and you're just like yeah it's not over the finish the finishers yeah well yeah

[00:43:31] those are cool that's why I like to like to finishers are satisfying yeah but I don't really remember

[00:43:37] what I was doing mid story of this DLC I think it's that Felicia Harding's son is like in danger

[00:43:43] and kidnapped or something and there's some question whether son yeah what I don't think

[00:43:49] her cat maybe cat son no black cat don't got no son well that cat doesn't have a son there's a kid

[00:43:58] involved and there's this question whether or not he's Peter's like kid with her or something

[00:44:02] that's the vibe that I was getting hope Mary Jane don't find out about that well that is the uh

[00:44:08] that's kind of one of the points of contention I think in the story because Peter's like at least

[00:44:13] that's just like the again I'm just jumping right into the story after but yes there's this

[00:44:18] talk of like her son or her kid being kidnapped by one of these weird yeah I just I'm reading it now

[00:44:25] okay so I'm not crazy and there's the question whether not I don't remember that because I guess

[00:44:29] Felicia and he were involved in this world right we're banging oh yes like trying to find out in

[00:44:34] the comics as well yeah banged many times I read it I read it many times I've read that over

[00:44:41] and over those pages over and over again Felicia Hardy and now they're stuck together

[00:44:49] anyway so yeah I was playing that it was so cool and I would like to play more but

[00:44:53] you know it's just it's a DLC so I don't feel a lot of pressure to finish it as long as I beat the

[00:44:57] game definitely still playing some Hogwarts legacy there are so many side quests I was

[00:45:03] doing the challenges of fighting or a beating the side quest where it's like if you finish them

[00:45:07] it says x out of whatever 32 whatever tier you're on for side quests and relationship

[00:45:13] quests and there's fucking so many I was just like oh my god so I started looking around all the villages

[00:45:17] and like hamlets outside of Hogwarts where do I need to go what needs to get done so I was

[00:45:23] doing a lot of that god it's so fucking good it's just so immersive and fun fact

[00:45:30] Megan beat it she beat the story um she is now the same level as I am and probably has more hours

[00:45:40] so yeah noob she's been making what you're just gonna let her do that to you how does it run on the

[00:45:45] switch did you even try it no I've been watching it looks pretty good like it was switch yeah

[00:45:51] she told you that oh my god looks good it runs probably around 30 or slightly less or something

[00:46:00] um but yeah slightly less just kind of doing side quests because I really want to do that and

[00:46:05] unlock a lot of shit I don't really care about all those Merlin trials and all that stuff I was

[00:46:10] telling Megan I was like they're pretty easy I do want to get her and you'll do all those field

[00:46:16] pages and stuff field pages and discover all the secrets but side quests is what I started

[00:46:21] doing a lot of uh I wanted to play more moria but it's really hard to play during the day

[00:46:26] when I have time because we don't have blinds on windows and that game is fucking complete darkness

[00:46:31] that's I think that's the one reason I'm not jumping back in is because like

[00:46:36] it's so dark it's a pressing yeah the game is very dark that's what it's like in cazadoom

[00:46:43] yeah cazadoom well we finally threw up like just some cardboard to block the wind the light

[00:46:49] from coming into the window so I could play it now during the day until we put in some blinds

[00:46:52] at some point soon but that's pretty much it was just a couple of games you know just

[00:46:57] having some fun dipping in that is it for me cool speaking of cazadoom

[00:47:04] cazadoom shall we talk about our shall we just talk about rings of power for a little bit

[00:47:10] I've watched all four so have I I'm in the middle of the third one unfortunately falling asleep

[00:47:16] in the middle the latest thing I watched was if anybody hasn't watched it there might be some

[00:47:23] spoilers here so just fast forward a bit yeah if any of you care yeah about watching this show

[00:47:31] because apparently everyone just hates it for you know but we're fans so we have to watch it

[00:47:36] but anyway the last thing I watched was a seal doer at the funeral pyre of that kid's mom

[00:47:44] uh with the black elf wow that kid is such a weak character man

[00:47:48] let's kill him off already Roman the fucking goop water just kill him off but I don't know I'm enjoying

[00:47:54] this season so far the first few episodes are cool uh the the I mean I don't know if we'll start from

[00:47:59] the beginning but I just wanted to say that the scene with the seal doer in like the the spider

[00:48:04] cave that was fucking cool that was very like I love the horror elements of like the

[00:48:08] like the orc falling on him that was cool and the mind of like this classic spielberg

[00:48:13] eggs hatching all the eggs looking hatching yeah that was cool oh yes yeah yes yes yes

[00:48:18] I'd like I would like a seal door to be a little bit cooler like yeah a little cooler

[00:48:24] yeah he's a bit of a little bit of a loser all the male characters in this show

[00:48:30] are fucking losers and that's what amazon does and that's what they've been doing

[00:48:36] okay like I understand like put strong female characters in I get that but you don't have to

[00:48:41] make all your male characters look like a bunch of baffling boom fucking idiots okay except for

[00:48:47] the bad guys you know what I mean why do you think Elrond is a okay adult he's not like he's like

[00:48:54] a politician like fucking cares yeah he's a lord master he's just a politician but he is wise

[00:48:59] though he is he's now making the right decisions and yes yes yes and the guy who plays Elrond's

[00:49:05] doing such a fantastic job but like yeah like there's no like strong male characters all the

[00:49:12] characters are either fucking losers or they're like super evil like back stabby like like that

[00:49:19] human like the human guy that's not the human I don't know what the hell there's the queen

[00:49:24] region right again region nice strong powerful female lead and then there's this sneaky

[00:49:31] human male that's like we're coming to shadows dude but that looks very like the guy the jack black guy

[00:49:37] yeah fuck come on like fucking come on I don't know I don't really care about all the new menorian

[00:49:44] politics bullshit I don't fucking care about that stuff like every time they're on screen I'm like

[00:49:49] they're all gonna sink into the ocean anyway spoilers it's only been written for

[00:49:56] fucking 50 years spoiler alert new man or sinks into the ocean uh yeah but overall I met yeah I'm

[00:50:06] entertained I like looking at Galadriel it looks nice it looks nice nice production good value

[00:50:13] I mean I don't like how it's they're portraying like the orcs and all this bullshit like it's

[00:50:21] oh yeah okay okay maybe you can shine so I thought orcs just our orcs do they just spread out of the

[00:50:28] ground I don't really remember there's I don't think there's any specific text in Tolkien's works

[00:50:34] that's like this is how they're born kind of thing no because they're they're elves right

[00:50:40] they're just they were so they'll be I guess they reproduce the same way elves would

[00:50:46] okay I guess is so they're showing they're showing like they're showing it now and like babies

[00:50:52] my god yeah and like the orcs why do we have to go to war like they want to go to fucking war

[00:50:57] they're orcs that's what they fucking live for they live for that and then the one guy's like

[00:51:03] do we really need to go to war master talking about he's talking about work too he wants to

[00:51:11] go to work yeah and he would listen to his fucking master because that's what they do right

[00:51:15] honor to his family and his yeah like you're and then they show of course they have to show in the

[00:51:21] background a little fucking baby orc like fuck off so some of the amazon stupid man his stomp on that

[00:51:29] orc yeah like in the middle of battle and then like the mom's like mom's holding

[00:51:35] and they act like so concerned about the fucking baby orc yeah like he wouldn't fucking care also

[00:51:42] adar wouldn't he they make him look like he like cares about yeah yeah yeah he wouldn't give a fuck

[00:51:49] about them like he would be just like like sauron he would be just looking for more power

[00:51:56] conquering he doesn't care about finding a place for his people that would never

[00:52:00] fuck yeah and they're like they're humanizing the orcs and it's fucking dumb it is absolutely

[00:52:06] stupid it is so stupid they should be orc icing the orcs yeah like crank it up on the orc scale

[00:52:13] turn it down on the humanity scale okay well they're orcs they're fucking orcs orcs they get

[00:52:18] slaughtered by like hundreds of thousands they fucking get slaughtered that's what they're

[00:52:22] there for they're just fodder yeah i just think that it probably had to their fodder yeah it

[00:52:27] probably had to go that way because if they're extending this shit into like all these episodes

[00:52:31] of shows like they've got to create culture somehow and create uh what's the word i don't know

[00:52:40] a scene like they have to create that kind of life and whatever because then there's uh not the

[00:52:47] i don't think the thing about humanizing the orcs is that you're starting to try to make people

[00:52:53] sympathize with them when they are the villains of the story because stupid they shouldn't be seen

[00:53:00] as anything other than servants of dark forces yes that's kind of why i like pj's orcs because

[00:53:06] like you see them they come on screen you're like oh you gotta go yeah yeah and now now when the

[00:53:12] orcs come on it's like what about their babies gladrile don't kill them what about their babies

[00:53:18] i want adar to win the battle yeah adar please win i could fuck off dumb and it's a different actor

[00:53:25] for adar yeah they come from benji stark yeah well yeah we knew this though we knew this going in didn't

[00:53:31] you i like he's doing a job and it wasn't that jarring so it didn't really bother me yeah i just

[00:53:37] liked how weird benji stark's face was in the makeup though that's what's contributed he's got

[00:53:41] more character than the care he had like these high cheekbones and this really weird like yo the

[00:53:46] the scene where sauron was like trying to get them to follow him was fucking sweet yeah that was where

[00:53:52] they all just like stay out of the series that was a great start i was like oh damn that was fucking

[00:53:58] cool that was really cool yeah i'll keep watching and uh you know i didn't really have no other choice

[00:54:03] really have no choice but to keep watching it's good i like it i like it though there are stupid

[00:54:08] things that i chuckle at but i'll have to yeah but i'm i'm really like the main thing like

[00:54:14] elrond being so fantastic like his character and him playing that character so he's so good

[00:54:23] but like he's not i don't know how'd you like buddy from foundation as that super old elf dude

[00:54:30] oh the elf dude that oh the gay captain the gay ship captain yeah the ship captain yeah he was

[00:54:44] geared on as a gay elf i wouldn't put him past him i think he was like he was so happy and always

[00:54:50] like he's very he didn't look elf to me like you know because they didn't show his ears because

[00:54:56] he's older yeah and like the way there's no real old yeah but the casting of the out of the other

[00:55:01] elves they're very sharp featured right yeah i guess that's especially elrond and then glad you're

[00:55:07] very sharp angular features true and then this guy comes on screen he just looks like a dude like

[00:55:14] a human looks like a man yeah because he's older but he's an oldest even old elves are tight skinned

[00:55:23] right there's no wrinkles on well there you are peter yeah just pushes skin back but my favorite part

[00:55:29] of the series so far this season so far is just the relationship exploring the relationship between

[00:55:35] kelo brim bore and who will call what the fuck is his name that he's calling himself anatar anata

[00:55:42] because like that is something that i want to see is just playing kelo brim bore look oh yeah like

[00:55:47] a fucking fiddle man oh yeah what a loser but that's so cool this is another another loser

[00:55:53] another loser male character that is the coolest part of the show um and the fact that like there's

[00:55:59] these the question of like these three rings for the elves being like oh wait did sauron make them

[00:56:04] you know oh hang on to can he can he influence those like the big question that's really cool

[00:56:09] because they were because gimley i just read this in the fellowship but gimley questioned that at the

[00:56:15] council of elrond he's like when one of these three rings that the elves have is does he not have

[00:56:20] influence over those and elrond is like no he didn't fucking touch those and he didn't make them

[00:56:27] so like you know it's just but it's kind of a cool question but in the show don't they aren't

[00:56:33] like kind of hinting at that he does just because he was there like helping kelo brim bore he knows

[00:56:40] how they were made i think that's why it's dangerous because he and that's why he makes the one ring

[00:56:44] right to connect all these together well now yeah now he's asking kelo brim bore to make rings for men

[00:56:50] men oh yeah which is what's going to lead to the nazgul kind of thing the kings of men

[00:56:56] so yeah very very cool cool right there's some tv talk for you guys all right

[00:57:03] let's get into this episode topic uh but first head over to that merch shore merch shore okay

[00:57:09] merch shore the shore of the mitch the shores of merch the shores of merch that's a new t-shirt right

[00:57:16] there lord rings uh what is it called when you put a logo on there but it's not actually their logo

[00:57:22] what's that called one of those on if unofficial uh but head over to the merch store support the

[00:57:29] there's a couple designs up there i'm thinking of some new ones okay i'm thinking of some new

[00:57:35] ones so there might be some new ones coming new ones coming out maybe for thanksgiving

[00:57:39] we'll capitalize on the holidays got to capitalize on the holidays because that's why

[00:57:42] people go to etsy is to buy shit for the holidays gotta remember that it's true so when christmas

[00:57:47] comes along we need christmas shirts you know should make a concord shirt concord shirt yeah

[00:57:53] there are dozens of us concord player

[00:57:58] and over there if you want our sports show uh the link will be in the description now

[00:58:03] let's get into the main topic

[00:58:15] hello everybody and welcome to today's topic on this episode of the elder trolls gaming podcast

[00:58:21] where we're gonna talk about cross play cross platform cross progression cross generation

[00:58:26] uh cross gaming okay what is this mumble de goop

[00:58:34] and mumbled a goop what is this shit every time we go to try to play a game together it's like oh

[00:58:40] is it cross play no yeah well is it cross the question that's always the question so

[00:58:46] let me tell everybody the listeners even daniel or whoever wants to uh gain some knowledge

[00:58:53] here we're gonna go through them all quickly so cross play is a feature where you can play with

[00:59:00] other players on other platforms some games offer full cross play support where you can play with

[00:59:07] your friends on any platform together some games offer semi cross play support for example only

[00:59:14] a few platforms can play with each other like for instance concord ps5 and pc players could

[00:59:21] play together but no xbox or well it wasn't even out for switch so or xbox uh something like that so

[00:59:28] we're only a few platforms can play together but leave out the other ones and vice versa so there's

[00:59:32] full cross play support and then there's semi cross play support okay we got that now cross

[00:59:39] platform is next the difference between cross play and cross platform is that cross platform

[00:59:46] is a game that's available on all or multiple platforms but doesn't necessarily mean it has cross

[00:59:53] play which gives you the ability to play with other gamers across these platforms so cross platform

[01:00:01] is just saying that this game is available on multiple platform now we got cross progression

[01:00:06] is next although cross progression does not always include cross play cross progression

[01:00:13] is where you can buy a game on one platform play save your progress on that platform then buy it again

[01:00:19] on another platform and continue your progress by syncing your save game and playing between the

[01:00:26] two platforms you go sit over here at your pc you'll sit it down on your xbox and you just

[01:00:30] continue your game play anywhere xbox does this with their play anywhere game strategy where you

[01:00:36] can play it on game pass on pc and then continue to play it on game pass for xbox with their

[01:00:41] ultimate package but the game must state that it is cross progression or play anywhere okay all right

[01:00:49] the next one the final is cross generation this is the stupidest one i think this is a this is a

[01:00:56] feature where although not cross platform or cross play with other companies or platforms this

[01:01:01] is a feature where people in the same ecosystem can play together across consoles or generation

[01:01:07] i think this is just some stupid thing made up by ea oh is it you think so sports games oh yes yeah

[01:01:14] yeah yeah because like you buy it's a different game if you buy nhl 24 on ps4 versus ps5 like you'd

[01:01:24] think naturally it's the same fucking game you'd be able to play together but they i think there's

[01:01:31] some feature that they locked or you have to pay extra to get this cross generation to play with people

[01:01:39] with the newer consoles it is so dumb it's the dumbest shit i've ever seen but i think it's just

[01:01:43] something they made up to charge people more yeah exactly sales get it like a marketing thing

[01:01:48] yeah it's also cross generation so for instance does that mean yes exactly so for instance

[01:01:51] the game where xbox one players can play with xbox series s and x players but not pc or ps5 players

[01:01:57] that would be considered cross generation like jonathan was talking about the ps4 people playing

[01:02:01] with ps5 uh people very stupid you would just think it was there right it's the same game it yeah

[01:02:09] we're it's just a fucking scam yeah that's a scam that's a scam generation is a scam now this leads

[01:02:16] into like with all that being said right there's got to be some work that comes into making

[01:02:22] games compatible with other platforms other devices other versions all this shit right so what goes into

[01:02:31] these cross features available in games should we just go do a round table of questions of like why

[01:02:38] what it's there's agreements there's licensing there's policies for cross play this is for cross

[01:02:47] play whenever one platform has to everything yeah for everything when one one except for

[01:02:53] a cross generation right a scam so if one platform has to interface with another company's platform

[01:03:00] right this company could be like well the only way we'll allow or approve your licensing or

[01:03:06] approve your whatever right is like if you do this and show that your players or the xbox

[01:03:13] players are playing on xbox you have to be able to show that on the other platforms like that i think

[01:03:19] that's one of the criteria well yeah there's going to be a lot of like red tape and shit that

[01:03:24] they have it's just policies and yeah there's going to be you know content releasing content

[01:03:30] across different regions you have different laws regulations you have to follow so i guess

[01:03:36] when you're doing this you have to make the game kind of follow all of these different things

[01:03:40] which i'm sure can be tedious for example xbox and windows together that's easy for microsoft to do

[01:03:47] because they they tie it in with their agreements and all that they already have all that that's why

[01:03:53] you'll see like windows and and xbox together because it's all microsoft like microsoft gaming

[01:04:00] in the xbox store and all that but it's also policy you know the kind of policy miss

[01:04:06] mismatches that they have to go through an iron out when you want to make something cross

[01:04:10] platform before releasing there could be conditions set by the owner like sony or xbox on

[01:04:17] like you said cross uh cross platform content that they need to follow a set of conditions

[01:04:22] it's likely more political and kind of policy stuff that's the reason why not everything is

[01:04:28] crossplay rather than like a technical limitations because it's easy to it's not easy but

[01:04:33] the devs can do it if you remember i have this uh back in 2018 sony that's when sony announced

[01:04:40] it would allow cross platform play on ps4 in 2018 they for select third party content quote

[01:04:47] unquote and they started with fortnight that was the first cross platform game i guess so

[01:04:53] sony stated that the decision to allow cross platform play was a major policy change

[01:04:58] and their goal remains to take a more open stance with cross platform support so it was first

[01:05:05] and foremost sony's decision to kind of lift that barrier it was just them saying okay we'll do it

[01:05:11] it's not like yeah you know it was some technical feat that had to be overcome to connect like

[01:05:16] fucking sony to microsoft that's not what it was it's just it's just a policy and it could be

[01:05:23] tons of different things like privacy if you're you have an account on this you have

[01:05:28] an account on that platform this platform the privacy policies have to align um the games these

[01:05:34] games where you have to have an in-game account you know what i mean to do cross progression

[01:05:38] or cross platform they have their own policy responsibilities and that kind of thing you

[01:05:44] know what i mean so it's probably more complicated than you think when you're dealing with like

[01:05:49] the laws and you're dealing with laws and privacy act and all that stuff yeah so these

[01:05:53] all have to align as well so i feel that cross progression is probably the hardest one in terms

[01:05:59] of the barriers which is likely why it's the one feature we probably see the least of right cross

[01:06:05] cross yeah progression it's pretty rare from what i've seen you have to like when you have

[01:06:09] cross progression think about that you have to host more data yeah because there's more users

[01:06:14] there's users across all platforms you got to host all that data you've got to create

[01:06:18] more yeah you've got to create your own like platform off the like off the platform like

[01:06:24] sony's platform you have to separate that because sony will give you so many will give you x amount

[01:06:30] of stuff right but they're not gonna be like okay use our shit to connect all you host your own

[01:06:36] you host and pay for the devs will host and pay for your own cloud if you remember when

[01:06:40] we had snake factory on we talked about cloud access cost per request it costs more to have

[01:06:47] you know yep people across four platforms connecting to your game than people on one platform

[01:06:53] yep so you have to have the hosting you have to have a file structure that's accessible and kind of

[01:06:59] usable by all the different devices because they're all uploading the saves and sinking

[01:07:05] saves and everything so it all has to mesh and it's just more work for the developers

[01:07:10] that's all it is yes that's what it comes down to tons of work work resources don't want

[01:07:15] to pay for yeah resources you're gonna find if anything is cross progression it's going to be

[01:07:19] like triple a studios like ubisoft with you know their project red with the cyber bread

[01:07:24] yeah kind of shit yeah because they have it that's right i forgot about that now it's sweet

[01:07:30] what's sweet about the cd project red one is i could mod

[01:07:34] fucking items into my save file and it will still transfer that save by all to my ps5 and i'll have

[01:07:40] like containers and clothes and money like if i go on to my pc cyberpunk i'll be like

[01:07:47] insert one zillion dollars right and i'll save my game and then when i go to play it on ps5

[01:07:53] i'll have a zillion dollars on this one yeah it's eddies okay if you're fucking gong eddies

[01:08:00] eddies you gunk sure uh but yes so cross progression we'll see more from big budget triple a studios

[01:08:08] we're not going to see anything from indie developers anytime soon now for that i imagine

[01:08:12] a lot of games from indie developers are coming with cross play out of the gate believe it or not

[01:08:19] i think that's because it also it's also engine dependent so it might be easier to implement

[01:08:25] a cross play feature using a more robust engine and there's like a couple of plugins that they

[01:08:32] use and they it's easier to get the ball rolling there and then they just wait on the publisher or

[01:08:38] the um the platform owner like microsoft to sign off on the the agreements in the licensing

[01:08:43] let's let's take um well temtem i believe was cross play right out of the gate because it's an mmo

[01:08:49] right so the games if it's a multi math it's like a multiple what is it multi massively

[01:08:57] multiplayer online rpg mullet mullet players mullet players whenever you're launching that kind of game

[01:09:03] you're gonna need or want cross play it won't matter the cost of that right because yeah the more

[01:09:10] players you get into this world the more players tell their friends about that world and they come

[01:09:14] in no matter with the platform so like depending on the game like a fighting game i don't think

[01:09:20] cross play is going to be at the top of their list you know for an xbox player to get to

[01:09:25] play against the ps uh playstation player that's probably not going to be at the top of their list

[01:09:29] so they probably are not going to spend that kind of money to get now that people fighting

[01:09:32] against each other right but like the big games out there let's fortnight apex legends call of

[01:09:38] duty rocket league destiny two these massive online platform games massive huge money in

[01:09:45] there obviously they have the money and well at the time resources to implement that so that more

[01:09:52] people would come in now remember when sony was like the stickler in the mud the stick in the mud

[01:09:58] and wouldn't allow this for anybody else other than fortnight i remember rocket league the guys at

[01:10:03] rocket league had to fight teeth tooth and nail against sony to get them to allow because they're

[01:10:10] like cross plays ready to go we have it implemented in the game we're just waiting for sony to

[01:10:14] allow it and they had to fight against sony for like it was like a year or something

[01:10:19] and they finally allowed it yeah which brings me to my next point so sony's push against cross

[01:10:25] play with other crossway platforms i got a couple of quotes here from forbes um some forbes articles

[01:10:32] forbes yeah forbes gaming whatever the hell it is it's uh so it's like forbes is a like a news

[01:10:37] firm right that's like i thought it was a financial uh publication yeah their magazine yeah

[01:10:43] probably cover a bunch of shit so so like whatever we think is a game or now yeah whatever

[01:10:48] we think playstation they make it public knowledge that money is like the top of their

[01:10:54] you know companies will kind of hide that they're just doing it for the money sony sony's like

[01:10:58] what's the bottom line no fuck that right that's like that's what i get from sony so when people

[01:11:05] would come up to sony and be like oh we need the licensing for these cross play features yadda

[01:11:09] yadda yadda right quote unquote uh here's one guy says as you may know or as you know many companies

[01:11:17] are exploring this idea and not a single one can explain how cross console play improves our

[01:11:23] playstation business so they would make people try to pitch on why it would be a good idea for

[01:11:30] sony to allow these cross play features in their games right how is that good for our

[01:11:37] business if we're allow our users to play against other platforms as i've seen more and more over the

[01:11:44] last few years it isn't about the gamers anymore and the gamers experience they don't give a fuck

[01:11:50] about the gamer experience they just care about the bottom line that's and i get that a lot from

[01:11:56] sony though is what i was saying earlier like that's well that's how i get a lot from sony

[01:11:59] like a lot of companies will try to hide that and be like eh and kind of dance around the

[01:12:03] bush but like sony that's like what they stand for they can't they can't do that forever now

[01:12:09] like they're coming along now obviously since 2018 they allowed cross play but like when it comes to

[01:12:13] cross play most online games now are choosing the gamer side for that but it just depends on

[01:12:21] like it depends on the management on both sides the management of the platform so like like you

[01:12:26] said sony's allowing people to do it oh why should we allow you but also on the developer side

[01:12:31] what resources they have to allocate the resources to

[01:12:35] making you know setting up cross progression setting up all this stuff hiring someone to

[01:12:40] go through all the policies making sure they match everything you know what i mean yeah

[01:12:44] so here's another quote sony's public rationale of being skeptical of cross play was stated

[01:12:51] to be about the risks of exposing sony players to non-psn markets but it really it seems to

[01:12:59] just been about trying to throw around their big sales numbers and leads so like why open the gates

[01:13:06] to play with your friends on xbox when these users are like oh there's two of uh there's two p there's

[01:13:11] two of us playstation users and one of you ask why don't you sell your xbox and get a playstation

[01:13:15] that we could yeah they want players to buy playstations and get into the ecosystem right

[01:13:19] over the time i think sony has just been like they know they're losing that battle right

[01:13:25] they're then they're knowing because then they'd be like oh i've got a bunch of xbox players here

[01:13:29] there always seem to be xbox xbox cross play with pc now and with switch users right that seems to be

[01:13:37] like the thing sony is like the one platform that's kind of either left out or they'll make their

[01:13:44] little deals and leave the xbox guy out right but it but now since pc gaming and xbox gaming are

[01:13:50] like so co like together all the time the playstation users are pretty much the ones that

[01:13:57] are being left out oh yeah like why did we buy our playstations just to play their fucking first

[01:14:02] party titles that we can't get on xbox or pc yeah exactly yeah but yeah the kind of like the tragedy

[01:14:10] of cross play not still being easy to facilitate is that like you know there's a vast array of

[01:14:17] gamers in this generation playing on all different platforms right so but the problem is all these

[01:14:25] gamers have friends that have different platforms because you know and and but who do we want to play

[01:14:30] online with friends right so and friends aren't going to like coordinate what consoles to buy or

[01:14:37] buy the same one just so they can fucking play games not now it is no but we used to have to

[01:14:41] do that back of the day yeah yeah i remember the guys you always try to persuade me to get

[01:14:46] i think people still do that like maybe but you're not all buying them at the same time that's

[01:14:51] the thing yes exactly like so it's hard to do i guess back in high school all my guys all my buddies

[01:14:57] were like all the guys were on xbox and like trying to convince me to get an xbox when i wanted

[01:15:01] to play station three and the the bottom line is people are selfishly driven they're just

[01:15:06] going to get whatever the fucking console they want to get because that's what's speaking to

[01:15:09] them that's why i bought a ps3 that's why i bought a ps4 that's why i bought a ps5

[01:15:13] but then i got xbox whatever because i was able to so over time i got all of them so that i had

[01:15:20] the opportunity to do this but that's like what it takes these days is you have to have all the

[01:15:23] fucking consoles but then it's like when a new game comes out that prioritizes these

[01:15:28] this like online multiplayer experience that's huge in an ideal world you should be able to

[01:15:33] play those online with the people you want to play them with and it just sucks that like we

[01:15:38] just can't do this yet even in 2024 but instead you know you've already bought a copy on one platform

[01:15:43] and your best bud or brother bought it on another and then they got to go and like

[01:15:47] return the one copy if they want to play with you or if they have the other platform even

[01:15:53] you know not everyone has that luxury so it just kind of sucks because then you're stuck playing

[01:15:58] with strangers or alone even right story my life yeah i don't know it's just like it's a shame

[01:16:06] because with all this tech and stuff like online games is just what people are doing these days you

[01:16:11] know it's it's like i'm saying that uh first person shooters are dying yes but like you know

[01:16:17] maybe so is the world of first person or single player i don't think that's true it's not you

[01:16:22] don't think that's true i think that there's a monopoly of like three games on first person

[01:16:27] shooter online games and there's lots and lots of players playing them yeah yeah well i'm just

[01:16:31] saying no it means like if you create other new games on the same model that's not going to work

[01:16:36] like i just think that people are uninterested in new first person shooters online ones

[01:16:43] anyway what the fuck do i know i'm just i'm just saying but but also single player games

[01:16:49] are maybe dying too i don't know because like online is this huge thing now everybody's got

[01:16:53] most of the time fast internet unless you live here um well like well that's going to be the

[01:16:59] the main basis they have to start co-op doing this quicker i think they have to start going through

[01:17:04] these jumping through these hoops and cutting all this red tape a lot quicker online co-op single

[01:17:10] player games is sweet like that should we're seeing more of that too um and to have that cross

[01:17:18] platform would be even better like having a cross platform online co-op that you can do a the

[01:17:25] story mode on different platforms would be huge but well like go back to powell world for instance

[01:17:32] right even them releasing on game pass getting the cross plat or the cross platform between game pass

[01:17:39] and steam yeah was or is i don't know if it's still i think it's no i don't know i don't

[01:17:46] think it's even there yet to get they couldn't do it it's you're playing on a pc but there's

[01:17:52] one app has to be cross platform with another app on the same fucking device right same with epic

[01:17:58] games and steam so when chivalry two came out i bought it on on epic games because it got released

[01:18:04] there first for a time is exclusive and then gillis bought it on steam and we couldn't play

[01:18:10] together mm you know fucking frustrating is that's so stupid was it like a version could

[01:18:16] be of like a version exactly yes so that's what i was getting at next is with all that other

[01:18:21] shit to have your cross platform and and all that stuff cohesive everyone's got to be the same

[01:18:28] version same build same features same everything everything's got to be the same

[01:18:33] okay the only thing that doesn't need to be the same as like graphic settings right like your

[01:18:38] resolution or your whatever but like everything else has to be identical updates patches everything

[01:18:45] and that probably is quite a big deal whenever you're dealing with seven fucking platforms

[01:18:51] so like take these genshin impact games right they're all class they're all cross platform

[01:18:55] they're all cross play cross progression cross everything these genshin impact you can play

[01:19:01] it on your phone your iphone your android phone your tablets your shitty laptops your gaming

[01:19:06] pc's your ps5 everything everywhere thing yeah that's their thing but the thing is it's not the

[01:19:12] technical requirements to do cross platform that are it's what's stopping it in most cases it's just

[01:19:18] well that's like that costs money and it costs resources to that's not technical requirement

[01:19:24] if that's a yes resource requirement yes it's not like the devs can't fucking do it yeah

[01:19:29] it's just the fact that the game they don't want to put the money into doing that because

[01:19:34] they can just not spend that money doing that and make more money and that's maybe

[01:19:40] and if the game takes off patch it down the road right yeah i mean it's internet it's internet

[01:19:46] protocol they connect together everyone uses the same fucking thing it's a standard it's called tcpip

[01:19:53] they connect to the fucking each other okay it's easy originally i thought maybe oh you have

[01:20:00] different ways that programs interact with each other maybe if they were programmed in different

[01:20:04] languages let's say but uh that's called like a wrapper an interface but that's not the case

[01:20:10] here because the game engine dictates what language the game is written in either way yeah and if the

[01:20:15] game is made in unity or unreal it's made in the same language on multiple doesn't matter what platform

[01:20:22] it's on it's the the engine that was used so that's not what that's not an issue it just compiles it

[01:20:27] for different hardware and different operating system whatever so the language doesn't matter

[01:20:32] because the game is the same on both platforms it's just because they're different platforms

[01:20:37] there needs to be some kind of something in between them that connects them this is a central

[01:20:42] yes a layer between them and that's the thing that would take the the resources to get working

[01:20:50] that's all it is it's just they need to spend time and money doing it and that's it but again that

[01:20:57] would be yeah which leads me into this reddit post i found um wahoo zimmer man wahoo zermane

[01:21:05] says i led a team that implemented cross play for a triple a title fairly recently

[01:21:10] the big thing is that none of the first party store fronts support interfacing with each other

[01:21:16] and they all have certification requirements related to how interactions on their platform

[01:21:21] have to work for example if i have a friend playing on xbox and i am and i'm playing on ps4

[01:21:27] my friends list must show the player is playing on xbox and must display that player separately

[01:21:35] from other players okay so you have to develop a requirement as a requirement

[01:21:41] so you have to develop your own account system friends list matchmaking etc all of that has to

[01:21:48] talk with the first party systems which all have different apis and support different features

[01:21:53] basically what you are already what you are already paying the first party store free storefront's fees

[01:21:59] for in the first place you've got to do yourself anyway and separately if you want to implement

[01:22:05] cross play this in turn comes with additional server hosting and infrastructure fees for

[01:22:11] maintaining your database and handling the traffic coming through your account system

[01:22:15] in all it took a team of in all it only took a team of four programmers most of them seniors

[01:22:23] about three or four months of development work to support cross play on the dedicated server

[01:22:28] between multiple pc storefronts and xbox so the cost is not trivial and the resulting gain

[01:22:35] doesn't actually result in many additional purchases for most types of titles so it

[01:22:40] is the juice worth the squeeze it costs money and they do it based on whether they think the

[01:22:47] juice is worth the squeeze and that is it yeah it's just more work the juice right it's just matching

[01:22:54] policy and there all the bullshit that happens at the i don't know what you call it like a political

[01:23:02] layer is this a political yeah that's a new layer new layer on the on the uh what's it called the

[01:23:08] isi i say what was i model the political layer that's a top yeah but yeah that's all it is it's not

[01:23:14] like a technical it's politics super hard to do because they can do it it's like a uh yeah i guess

[01:23:22] that's because it's policies of individual companies and what they envision for their future and their

[01:23:29] current resource pool and what they're capable of doing or you know and their belief system like

[01:23:34] oh we don't we don't want to do that because we have an agenda so that would be a conflict of

[01:23:38] interest and blah blah blah right so yeah i guess that is politics so what will it take for this

[01:23:44] to be a non-issue anymore it will take their policies to change from sony from i don't know

[01:23:52] who has the sony's probably got the most bullshit but that's i'm gonna assume i'm gonna assume

[01:23:57] so we're gonna assume sony has the most crap in the way of making things cross platform because it

[01:24:04] seems like xbox can just do it between xbox and windows but they haven't xbox launcher on windows

[01:24:11] yeah and that's why it's so easy to do they just do it because you have xbox and you have xbox

[01:24:17] for windows or windows gaming whatever it is i did read another article where this guy was

[01:24:22] trying to get licensing from xbox but they just don't reply to them they don't reply and they don't

[01:24:29] tell them what he needs to do or when they do reply it's like months and months and then like oh

[01:24:34] send him in he was like oh you have to have this done and then he's like oh and then he like

[01:24:39] gets it done and he sends another email or calls it like and they don't return his

[01:24:43] call and it's like months pass right that's all it is so just politics it's politics and

[01:24:49] bullshit now so that's what's stopping cross cross play cross progression politics very cool very cool

[01:24:55] so i remember when destiny 2 was about to go pro cross platform do you remember this

[01:25:02] so they were you're all like segregated on all your platforms so like no one was playing cross

[01:25:07] play together at all and then they had some sort of epiphany where they thought oh we could

[01:25:11] probably make more money if all these players are playing together right so they actually had a gdc

[01:25:17] summit like a whole slideshow presentation how they worked on cross platform or cross play very cool

[01:25:27] it was very long i didn't watch at all i actually took the the transcription copied that i pasted it

[01:25:34] into chat gbt and i said give me a summary and he summarized what and how destiny 2

[01:25:41] got crossplay working here so there's a couple of points i'm just gonna go through them real

[01:25:46] quick the motivation the primary goal was to create a unified destiny 2 universe where players on all

[01:25:52] platforms could interact seamlessly continuing the cross save system that they had previously before so

[01:25:58] you could cross save between a playstation 4 or 5 kind of thing the challenges bungee had to modify

[01:26:06] their tiger engine developed during the halo era which posed significant technical challenges so they

[01:26:13] weren't using a big box unreal or unity they're using a custom engine that didn't have these features

[01:26:22] like built in ready to go they had to modify their own engine to get these cross platform play

[01:26:29] ironed out cross cross platform play involved building new systems from scratch including

[01:26:34] networking player identities like bungee names social social features like how to how to

[01:26:41] have friends friend lists in place you have to have a game like rocket league does yes it's an

[01:26:47] in-game account that that's the only way to centralize kind of everything yeah and that takes

[01:26:53] fucking time yeah i'm sure that took fucking forever they had to integrate various platform

[01:26:58] apis with con sorry integration with various platform apis was complex due to certifications

[01:27:05] and technical requirements from first party plop uh first party platforms like sony and microsoft

[01:27:11] that was the challenges the key systems were networking significant changes were made to

[01:27:15] handle cross platform communication player identity bungee introduced their bungee names i remember

[01:27:20] that you had to go make a bungee name account and then you had to like do like this conversion

[01:27:25] process and it took like a couple of days and they would send you an email saying okay your

[01:27:29] account has been migrated right it was like having it was like doing a migration at your at your

[01:27:34] office but like on a gaming it's kind of cool how this stuff kind of has happened incrementally

[01:27:40] very slowly yeah times that now we look back and like oh that's what they were doing this whole time

[01:27:45] kind of yeah yeah uh and the friends had matched making like i said before third party integrations

[01:27:50] to save time bungee used third party solutions for voice chat and text moderation uh but developed

[01:27:57] their own text chat system so they hired companies or hired apps to plug in to just

[01:28:03] have that kind of stuff done um and then they phased the rollout so cross play was gradually

[01:28:11] released starting with internal testing followed by beta versions for the players this allowed bungee

[01:28:16] to incrementally build test refine the uh friend systems and all the experience before releasing

[01:28:23] it fully in 2021 i remember all that i remember it was quite like it took like two months two

[01:28:28] or three months as a player just to finally like migrate all the accounts make sure everything

[01:28:33] was working fine i played a few of the betas all that kind of stuff very very cool on the

[01:28:39] insights on that there it is yeah well i think that obviously cross play is the biggest hurdle

[01:28:44] that they have to cross see what i did there yeah cross gaming but uh i think that there are some

[01:28:52] other cool things i mean like a couple notes i have that i'll like i can close with but like

[01:28:57] i don't know uh cross platform not that the question is whether or not it's an issue or whatever

[01:29:03] i've never really had an issue with cross platform or anything like that only because

[01:29:07] i have most of the consoles available and so it's not really an issue for me if something

[01:29:12] comes out that's not for everything else i'll just buy it for whatever it's you know sometimes

[01:29:17] the title is pc exclusive i'm okay with that because of the road i chose i'm not a pc gamer

[01:29:22] and there are so many games these days anyway where i can keep busy and find something else

[01:29:27] most pc exclusives aren't a killer a killer app to me so i'm not going to like become a pc

[01:29:34] gamer because this one game that comes out or anything like that so whatever i don't give a

[01:29:37] shit doesn't affect me cross progression is a cool feature but do you guys just like one last

[01:29:43] question do you find do you guys find it like really useful to most gamers like most just

[01:29:48] like generic gamers who aren't like hardcore have every single thing like does it really matter

[01:29:55] i say it would be more it's more important on free to play games obviously because you're not buying

[01:30:00] the different copies of the game more than a copy all combined right multiples uh version like the

[01:30:06] skin multiple times you know so that's the target for cross progression because i was going to

[01:30:10] say other than other than that the only experience i had was my accidental assassins

[01:30:15] creed valhalla thing right you guys remember when i bought it for one x first yeah and then

[01:30:19] eventually ps5 came out and i was like oh it'd be cool to try it on next gen so i bought it for that

[01:30:25] then decided my ps5 i was going to just keep for so many exclusives so i think i got i sold my ps5

[01:30:32] copy or something but i kept my xbox one and then they came out with the series x update and

[01:30:38] i was like oh shit i'll play it on series x now but all of this while being able to just

[01:30:43] continue my save file was really cool very but i was kind of like an accident beyond that i just

[01:30:48] don't think i have any use for it because i'm not playing free to play it's for big like you said

[01:30:53] the big the big companies will will do it like bungee is doing it like yeah on destiny but it's

[01:30:59] also been out for a long time destiny so that could be another reason why they did that

[01:31:05] like oh people have been changing people have been changing consoles they're up in platforms

[01:31:10] it's been out for years like we should make cross progression so that there can you know if they buy

[01:31:16] the game on a different platform they can play their save file they can play they can continue

[01:31:22] and that helps make more money right because then people won't buy it on other platforms

[01:31:27] yeah you know so like if they open that gate then people will buy it on multiple platforms

[01:31:33] like i did to sum up i guess those final thoughts are cross plays the biggest hurdle

[01:31:39] they got to get that solved if the ever no the hurdle is policy the policy is policy and yeah

[01:31:44] you know but within bureaucracy yeah that's all it is our episode scope though the cross play is

[01:31:50] is the thing that needs the most work over time but cross progression only useful mostly for free

[01:31:56] to play online games there you go there you have it but i don't see them changing policies

[01:32:02] no anytime soon to make it easier for gamers to play with each other you know

[01:32:09] i just don't see that happening because they can't make any money on that they don't care about the

[01:32:14] experience anymore they just care about the investors in the bottom line and you know and

[01:32:20] that's that's just the way this world is going perspective that's a next time we will

[01:32:24] next time we buy a game next time we buy a game right usually this happens with like the lower

[01:32:30] like single double a games where we buy them like oh this would be great with cross play

[01:32:34] right so we can play each other and that always happens with those like smaller budget games

[01:32:38] and we're like ah fuck it's only ps5 and pc right we know why now we know why now because

[01:32:45] the publishers or the investors are stuck in the old days of the late 90s in the early

[01:32:51] 2000s when it was just about making your money and they're not adapting with the way gamers are

[01:32:56] playing games these days this is the way it's moving and they're not like back then it wasn't

[01:33:02] like this in gaming in because you couldn't do it in the business that's what i'm saying is

[01:33:09] they're stuck on the business end of it they're still stuck in the past like that because

[01:33:12] they're not thinking about the gamer experience which is what it's about these days not fully

[01:33:16] cheesesteak spencer he's all four getting everyone planning like he's a good that's his facade

[01:33:21] that's his mask spill fencer spill fencer spill fencer yeah i think one of the fng guys call i

[01:33:27] think it was will i think it was will one day and i fucking laugh so hard on one of their episodes

[01:33:32] i don't remember i don't remember which it was but but anyway that's my take because i think

[01:33:36] that these guys are stuck in the past and they're not going to change because they're just

[01:33:39] thinking about the money but they need to adapt because we're not playing games like what you

[01:33:45] do anymore yep you know the ceo's aren't gamers yeah this is what i was right there are a bunch of

[01:33:49] old fucking farts at a board meeting being like she doesn't mean she this is what i think i think

[01:33:56] policy should be more lenient towards smaller studios because when people buy these smaller

[01:34:03] studio games they're gonna buy them on different platforms and incentive for people to play with

[01:34:08] their friends and like kind of boost that indie game or studio a lot of people won't buy it because

[01:34:15] they can't play with their friends on the platform of their choosing right so if they kind of loosen

[01:34:20] some kind of policy or the restrictions for smaller studios i think that would be a nice

[01:34:27] first step to get people playing with each other and helping indie studios get the money

[01:34:33] instead of having them just to sign their soul to sony and sony saying well you're only on

[01:34:38] playstation you know and you can only play with fucking switch players for some reason

[01:34:44] so that's what i think it needs to happen will it i don't know but i think cross play is the

[01:34:51] future everyone has their own they're we're already kind of solidified in our like i'm a i'm a pc

[01:34:57] microsoft guy i'm not huge on playstation you know i'll stick to my pc more than anything

[01:35:02] but to be able to play with playstation friends is huge it's very nice to have

[01:35:09] and now that we've got even more apps coming out like amazon games has a game launcher uh

[01:35:14] ubi softs game launcher you got microsoft game pass game launcher steam epic store all this

[01:35:20] shit that's more platforms that need to be cross plot or cross play with each other even on

[01:35:27] so the policy is only going to change that's kind of come from the top down right and why would

[01:35:34] they change it if it's not going to do anything for them yeah it's got to come from the top so

[01:35:38] maybe once the younger the gamer the generation grows older gets you know in those positions

[01:35:43] they'll make the change because they care about but you know make the change it's been changing

[01:35:48] because like but it does cost money to make the change too yeah do you know how much

[01:35:51] policy yeah people make like someone to write a policy like a revamp a lawyer stamper guy

[01:35:58] yeah like they make a lot of money you pay them a lot but it's going to cost a lot to change only

[01:36:02] in the last year or so has sony been actively porting their games to pc now right like ghost of

[01:36:09] susama god of war the horizon games like they're opening that so like oh there's another

[01:36:15] platform or there we can make money like why aren't we putting our games there so now with

[01:36:20] their cross platform on many games and the games that are coming out now they need to now they're

[01:36:26] going to start doing they're starting to do their cross play like with concord rest in peace you

[01:36:31] know but like but you know i think that it's getting young it's getting there but concord

[01:36:43] but yeah no that's all i gotta say about that same i think we're done with this

[01:36:48] it's just policy folks so listeners watchers what do you think do we do we hit the nail on the head

[01:36:57] here is this what's stopping cross play you know if you've worked on a cross play implementation

[01:37:04] let us know tell us how it went what was the biggest hurdle you know let us know all right that's

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