The 3DO Experience - Episode 56: Blade Force: Putting The 3D In 3DO!

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[00:00:37] Hello everybody, welcome back to the one and only 3DO podcast on the internet.

[00:00:41] That is the 3DO Experience.

[00:00:43] I'm Thrak and joined as always is Bill. How are you doing Bill?

[00:00:48] Oh, hey Thrak, I'm doing alright.

[00:00:51] I'll write as I can be.

[00:00:53] Summer's finally over.

[00:00:55] Yeah.

[00:00:56] It was cool here for a few days but now it's kind of hot again.

[00:01:00] So up here it's like freezing in the morning and then it's like really hot in the afternoon.

[00:01:04] So it's just kind of like typical New England shit right now.

[00:01:07] Yeah, yeah.

[00:01:09] It's annoying here because like it would be like nice and cool in the morning but then by the end of the day it's like oh god why am I like sweating? I hate this.

[00:01:17] But you know that's the autumn for you I guess.

[00:01:21] Yeah, yeah so before we get into the game for this week.

[00:01:26] Blade Force.

[00:01:29] But it was today right?

[00:01:32] When Sony decided to finally announce the PS5 Pro.

[00:01:37] It's real.

[00:01:39] It exists.

[00:01:40] It has, it now has three shave bits in the eyebrows opposed to one.

[00:01:46] And it has probably one of the strangest reveal videos I've ever seen because to me they're really trying to show how much more powerful this thing is.

[00:02:03] And yet I can't tell a fucking difference.

[00:02:07] No.

[00:02:07] Can you?

[00:02:08] Not at all.

[00:02:09] I mean granted I was at work when this all went down so like I just kind of saw the reactions and I kind of watched it during my break but like my phone's quality is kind of shit regardless.

[00:02:18] So I was kind of like, uh-huh.

[00:02:21] Like okay.

[00:02:22] Yeah it's like that.

[00:02:24] I don't know just it just feels like they're just, it's like it's four years on and it just looks like it's like yeah that just sort of PS5 does.

[00:02:33] You know, like they're introducing their form of DLSS into it.

[00:02:36] Sure.

[00:02:37] It has more teraflops or something stupid or whatever right.

[00:02:42] But the part that everybody is talking about which is funny because I made a tweet about it is that the pricing.

[00:02:53] So the base PS5 Pro is $700.

[00:02:59] So it's basically a two to $300 upgrade though it's digital only right.

[00:03:05] If you want the stand and a detachable disk drive, if you want your Atari Jaguar CD on this thing, you have to pay an extra I think like 200 bucks for the both of them.

[00:03:18] So it drives the cost up to like $800.

[00:03:21] I saw that and I was just like how the fuck is a Blu-ray drive that expensive?

[00:03:26] Like it's not coming with the stand.

[00:03:30] Like what?

[00:03:31] That that that blows my mind.

[00:03:33] That's a piece of fucking plastic.

[00:03:35] I know.

[00:03:35] You just shove it in the box.

[00:03:37] Who the fuck cares right.

[00:03:38] Like my series X has a stand, you know just like the bottom of it has that kind of round bit but it's like kind of baked into the console.

[00:03:46] Right.

[00:03:47] And yeah, like yeah blue and drives are not expensive.

[00:03:49] It's more just the fact that they know they can sell that thing for like 100, 150 bucks or whatever it is.

[00:03:56] And people will buy like this specific casing and like just jut it on to the PS5, which to be fair the original PS5 that disk drive looks like it was thrown in the last minute.

[00:04:06] Oh yeah, it's it's the worst that they went.

[00:04:08] Oh shit.

[00:04:09] People are going to want to disk drive on this thing.

[00:04:11] Just throw it on the side or whatever.

[00:04:13] See my theory here is that this is their way of they're trying to force like the end of physical games.

[00:04:19] I'm getting the feeling.

[00:04:21] I mean, that's kind of what's been going on for the last few years anyways.

[00:04:26] I mean, I think when when PC went all digital, it I knew that like consoles were going to be close behind.

[00:04:34] I know.

[00:04:34] Similar to like music though and like a lot of these things like you're going to have the stubborn assholes like me who are going to fight to the bitter end.

[00:04:41] So I think gaming it's different because at least to say movies or music or even books.

[00:04:48] There are a lot of accessible ways of enjoying those mediums without having the physical product, you know, like like like take music for example.

[00:04:58] Yeah, physical physical media for music still exists.

[00:05:01] It'll always have like that enthusiast market.

[00:05:05] So there will be a reason for that to still exist to some degree right.

[00:05:09] But if you just want to listen to, I don't know like fucking the sugar or something otherwise the first man I thought of you can find him like you can just go online and find him right pretty easy going.

[00:05:23] If I want to watch say demolition man like I did last week.

[00:05:27] I could just find it, you know, but with a video game, especially with how the copyright laws are for video games these days.

[00:05:35] It is not that accessible like like in theory, if you want to play columns on the game gear.

[00:05:44] If you went the complete legal route, you buy a used game gear on the market and you spend however much that costs, and then you buy a copy of this.

[00:05:55] You pop it in there and pray to God that it works.

[00:05:58] Yeah.

[00:05:59] Right.

[00:06:00] And and and that's the thing.

[00:06:01] There are ways around it, of course, but it's not.

[00:06:05] It hasn't been accepted by the industry yet.

[00:06:08] So it's a different thing.

[00:06:11] But like, yeah, I get them wanting to get rid of physical media because they make more money on a digital game.

[00:06:17] You know, like if you buy Astro Bot, is it just called Astro Bot?

[00:06:23] I believe so.

[00:06:24] OK, if you buy Astro Bot digitally on the PlayStation 5, Sony gets all that money.

[00:06:29] If you buy it physically, again, the same price, they have to give a cut to the retailer or the retailer gets a cut of it or something like that.

[00:06:39] So I get it.

[00:06:41] But but yeah, like gaming, it's people really hold on to their physical media.

[00:06:46] It holds more of a special connection to them.

[00:06:49] And in a lot of ways, it's the only way to play that game is that physical copy because while game re-releases are becoming more and more common these days,

[00:06:58] which I think is a good thing, like people tend to go like, oh, constant ports and remaster.

[00:07:04] I think it's a good thing that these are all coming back because now with digital libraries, they can become you can just have them.

[00:07:11] You don't have to worry about it later on, right?

[00:07:14] Even still, people like their physical copies, even if physical copies kind of don't really matter anymore.

[00:07:20] True.

[00:07:20] A whole other topic.

[00:07:22] But yeah, but yeah, this thing, it's priced as a fucking 3DO, man.

[00:07:25] And it somehow has less games than the 3DO did at launch.

[00:07:29] It's it's so how did that happen?

[00:07:31] So what's hilarious is like when I saw this, a lot of people were making the whole like the classic Kaz Harai 599 US dollars, 590 US like thing.

[00:07:41] Me, I immediately thought 3DO.

[00:07:44] That's me to what I thought was like really we're doing the 3DO pricing again.

[00:07:48] I was joking with people because I was like, I was like, wow, you actually are more expensive than a launch 3DO.

[00:07:54] What an achievement.

[00:07:56] Yeah.

[00:07:56] And the reaction online has been about what we've expected people saying like, what's the point of this?

[00:08:03] Basically, there's no reason for it unless you're one of those weird diehard Sony people.

[00:08:08] Like no one's going to buy this.

[00:08:10] Oh yeah, like, you know, like I've seen some people trying to defend it.

[00:08:14] But the whole like gaming is a luxury kind of thing or whatever, or being like, oh, but people buy like iPhones every year at this crazy price or whatever.

[00:08:23] And it's like, yeah, they're fucking stupid too.

[00:08:25] Like what's your point?

[00:08:26] Or saying the whole gaming is a luxury thing.

[00:08:28] It's like gaming has become much more affordable these days.

[00:08:32] Gaming is a luxury if you make it one.

[00:08:34] Yeah, like if you want to just like play a video game, it's not that difficult to do, man.

[00:08:39] Like even if you want to get in the console gaming, you know, like if you're that strapped for cash, you could buy like say a used switch for like $150.

[00:08:48] Maybe I don't know what you switch is go for, probably not that much.

[00:08:51] And then there's a bunch of cheaper free games on the eShop already.

[00:08:55] Watch the videos.

[00:08:57] Yeah, or hell, if you have a computer, you can just get steam.

[00:09:00] You know, like there's so many more ways of getting into gaming now.

[00:09:03] It's not really a luxury anymore.

[00:09:05] Like not yeah, it's the same people who say like smartphones or luxuries when it's like, let's be honest, they're necessities now.

[00:09:12] It's just it's just the way our world works.

[00:09:14] And then and then Jeff Keely made that tweet of the inflation adjusted prices for all the consoles.

[00:09:21] And it's funny he did that when if you look at the numbers for the most part, the PS5 pro is more expensive than all them anyways.

[00:09:28] The only exceptions to PS3, which is funny because it feels like the PS5 pro is sort of another PS5.

[00:09:35] PS3 like blunder.

[00:09:36] It's even more brain dead one, though at least the PS3 had reasoning behind it.

[00:09:42] Yeah, the PS3 was like a legit powerful piece of machinery that I guess arguably a little too powerful for what it was trying to do also launch PS3s.

[00:09:51] A had Blu-ray discs, Blu-ray players at that time were expensive and it legit had a PS2 shoved in it.

[00:09:59] So it kind of it made sense why it was that expensive.

[00:10:02] Yeah, whereas the PS5 pro there's no reason for this like in their little video presentation.

[00:10:07] They didn't show anything that was worth it.

[00:10:09] All they showed were games that are already running just five on a PS5.

[00:10:12] Hell, a PS4 like their big like I think the big game they used to show a powerful was was Last of Us 2.

[00:10:20] And I'm like, bubby, I played that on a base PS4 and it looks maybe a little bit better.

[00:10:26] Like a little bit but not worth that pricing.

[00:10:30] You know, it's crazy because they're doing this and credit to Microsoft.

[00:10:35] They've had a few more like series Xs but they haven't really the only time they've increased the price on it is if say there's more storage in the unit.

[00:10:44] Other than that, it's you know, I mean, so you can get a series extra 500 bucks, you know, then this is going to be sitting on the shelf PS5 pro at like $700.

[00:10:52] And then you're and then people are going to see those and maybe go, oh, what's the difference?

[00:10:55] And it's going to be like, honestly, not that much.

[00:10:58] You know, unless you really care about playing first party Sony games, but it feels like their reputation is starting to go down,

[00:11:05] especially with the whole Concord debacle that some people may just see the series and just go, yeah, that's the cheaper option.

[00:11:13] Did we talk about Concord?

[00:11:15] Did we?

[00:11:16] Did we talk about Concord?

[00:11:17] I don't think we did.

[00:11:18] Yeah, Concord's fucking dead and it's never coming back.

[00:11:21] You know how great like Concord's marketing was?

[00:11:24] There wasn't any.

[00:11:26] I didn't know it existed.

[00:11:27] I literally the first time I heard about it was when it was shutting down.

[00:11:30] I was like, oh, I remember they had that state of play or showcase or whatever and a good chunk of it was Concord.

[00:11:37] And people were like, yeah, and they're like, why are you putting this much effort into a hero shooter at this time?

[00:11:43] Well, your shooters are fucking dead.

[00:11:46] Like, do people overwatch anymore?

[00:11:48] Like, like overwatch to shitting the bed was kind of the sign that they're done.

[00:11:53] Oh, yeah.

[00:11:53] Because overwatch to I mean the whole reason they did overwatch to is for the PvE thing and then they completely abandoned it for reasons.

[00:12:01] You know, I think it got lost in the merger or something.

[00:12:05] So just we're at I mean, I'm sure there are people who still play overwatch because it's like it's the game that they play.

[00:12:10] But but yeah, like Concord, it wasn't going to get an audience.

[00:12:14] Like we knew that it wasn't it just the market is way too crowded in the live service camp.

[00:12:20] You know, yes, there's a lot of money to be made.

[00:12:23] I think it's somebody says like 84% of all gaming revenue is from like live service games.

[00:12:27] But the problem is it's what like six games, maybe eight games at most that are in that 84% and they're not budging.

[00:12:37] You know, like people who are locked into Fortnite, locked into Minecraft, locked in the Call of Duty, locked into whatever right of G.

[00:12:45] PUBG, whatever. Yeah, like those people are there and that's not moving that needle is not going to move on those anytime soon.

[00:12:53] Eventually, Fortnite will fade away.

[00:12:55] Minecraft will fade away, but it'll be interesting when that happens.

[00:12:59] So it's like that other 16% is just like us weirdos who play the shit.

[00:13:05] But but it's like Concord was never going to get that audience and Sony just completely abandoning it really quickly was kind of shocking that they wouldn't even give it a shot.

[00:13:15] I think like Anthem, Battleborn evolve like all these like games that famously bombed got more time.

[00:13:22] Hell you can still play Anthem actually.

[00:13:25] And I'm told nowadays if you boot up Anthem and play it, it's fine.

[00:13:29] You know, my favorite is all the people that like preordered Concord they didn't get their copies until after it shut down.

[00:13:37] Yeah, and then there are people just just completely jumping off the maps to get the platinum before it died.

[00:13:42] Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was a holy and now people I think are trying to inflate the physical copies of Concord on the resale market and it's like that's not going to last.

[00:13:52] No, that's not going to last. In fact, slide off topic. Apparently somebody found what was the most expensive PS2 game?

[00:14:00] Was it Ruler Rose or Kuon or whatever apparently is one of them.

[00:14:04] Yeah, apparently somebody found like a shit ton of sealed ones of one of those just like in a warehouse somewhere.

[00:14:10] I believe they're European copies, but I did see that.

[00:14:15] Yeah, so but anyways Concord completely shit the bed and then Astro Bot comes out and people seem really high on it.

[00:14:23] Sony literally went from like having this great like great story to taking one of the biggest fucking L's I've seen in a while.

[00:14:31] Yeah, like they shit the bed with Concord. They hit Astro Bot and people seem really into it.

[00:14:36] Like I was like I've been saying I feel like people are overhyping it just in the sense of that's trying to say like no we want more of this Sony like do more of this.

[00:14:45] That's why we're going to like hype it up like crazy. Like I'm sure it's a great game. I'm sure like when I get a PS5 it'll be one of the games I play.

[00:14:53] I'll probably have a good time with it. I might even get the platinum on it. It's a platformer. I might do that. Why not?

[00:14:57] Right? Like it has a fucking apescape mode in it, which is awesome. Like that's really cool.

[00:15:03] And it's and it's Sony tapping into that nostalgia in a way that they never have before with their past franchises, which I think is helping it as well.

[00:15:13] Like I don't really have that for their IP so it doesn't mean shit to me but it's cool to see everybody enjoying it right and then yeah they're doing that that's going well.

[00:15:21] And then and then what was it? They're president saying they don't have any IP or something which is hilarious.

[00:15:28] Actually I don't even think it was that president. Oh my God. Who said that?

[00:15:32] I have no I don't even know who the fucking structure at Sony is anymore.

[00:15:35] But that was amazing them saying we don't have any IP and I'm like are you fucking kidding me?

[00:15:41] You know I never thought I just look at Astro Bot. Look at all the dead IP you're sitting in that game that because of the Astro Bot bump you could bring them all back.

[00:15:50] I never thought I'd say it but I really miss Kazari. He was a goofball but at least he was at least things were better than.

[00:15:58] Honestly if you think about it Jim Ryan may be one of the smartest made one of the smartest choices ever.

[00:16:03] Like getting the fuck out like getting the fuck out at the right time because he is not in this crossfire at all.

[00:16:10] When you could argue some of these choices were probably made during his tenure but nobody's thinking about him anymore.

[00:16:16] He completely disappeared. See Kazari was like the like the Reggie or like the I guess like the Peter more like he had so many great quotes like yeah I think he was famous for giving us like giant enemy crab.

[00:16:29] Love giant enemy crab. That entire E3 presentation is my favorite dumpster.

[00:16:34] It's legendary it's so good very good.

[00:16:38] So but so yeah and then yeah this PS5 Pro law announcement which is not going well at all but we know Sony's not going to they're not going to change the price on that thing.

[00:16:48] It's not happening anything it's going to get raised probably.

[00:16:51] Yeah I mean it was the same with the PSVR too like everyone's like why is this thing more expensive than the PS5 and they're not supporting the PSVR to at all.

[00:16:58] I think you can connect it to your PC now but it's like a weird roundabout way.

[00:17:02] But it's just like things are not going well with Sony at all.

[00:17:07] You know like they're doing so bad people have stopped saying all the doom and gloom on Microsoft like that's how bad it is right now.

[00:17:14] The funny part is Sony and Microsoft are in this weird little like.

[00:17:20] They're both they're both in not good shape.

[00:17:23] No they're not and that what's hilarious is I'm like sitting there thinking like.

[00:17:26] Nintendo is Nintendo has the opportunity to do the funniest fucking thing right now.

[00:17:30] Oh easy and just fucking annihilate for two generations and I kind of want to see it because Nintendo as much as they're kind of an evil corporate piece of shit.

[00:17:41] I kind of love them and I hope they fucking just go all out this generation.

[00:17:46] Yeah yeah because yeah we have it and the weird things with the Sony Microsoft thing with Microsoft they have announced games that are coming.

[00:17:52] You know things that we're excited for whereas with Sony after Astro Bot we don't know what the fuck like we know Wolverine's happening eventually but outside of that.

[00:18:04] Insomniac's making the ghost to shema sequel we know that you sucker punch.

[00:18:09] Yes sucker punch and some insomniacs doing the Wolverine but like but like the ghost sequel has I don't think it's been formally announced.

[00:18:17] It hasn't yet mostly because sucker punch is like one of those like rare studios that actually takes their fucking time.

[00:18:26] Yeah and I'm sure when that game comes out it'll be great but you know is it going to be enough to bring them back from all of this.

[00:18:33] I mean who knows time will tell but but outside of that it's like they don't really have much in the pipeline outside of what they've announced other than maybe they're scrambling to figure out their live service thing you know whereas on the

[00:18:46] other side if you look at Microsoft they've have a bunch of games that they've announced for say like you know like the end of this year we have some more coming than the games for like 2526 and all that but but you have people

[00:18:59] saying like oh which ones are coming to PlayStation which ones aren't kind of thing you know which which is a whole other conversation so they're both in like very weird spots right now.

[00:19:09] And yes you said Nintendo has an opportunity because basically the ball is in Nintendo's court now like we all know the switch to announcement it's my guess is we'll get it soon I would say within like a month month and a half at most

[00:19:24] like we'll get we'll get the unveiling of it.

[00:19:26] What's really funny about this is I was curious what Nintendo is going to price the switch to it. But now that Sony has just dropped this fucking unbelievable bomb of a price on the industry.

[00:19:39] Nintendo could literally price it probably at what it's valued and people would be happy just because it's not fucking that.

[00:19:45] I mean to be Nintendo could do the they could have their 299 where if the switch to if they show it and like it's much more powerful we assume it's going to be more powerful maybe somewhere between a PS4 PS4 pro like the joy cons are

[00:20:03] improved full backwards compatibility you know the works like look how great Metroid Prime 4 looks look how great this new 3D Mario games going to be like all this other stuff and my guess is they'll price it at 400.

[00:20:20] That's my guess that's acceptable.

[00:20:22] I think 400 would be fine because the original switch is 300 which they were able to get away with that with it being sort of the weird hybrid tech model so they weren't quite sure how it was going to be power wise but they've gotten a lot out of that you know Tegra X1 chip right and then and also they were kind of on the you know they were kind of

[00:20:44] on the defense so they needed to price it competitively whereas I still think 400 is still a competitive price it's still cheaper than a base PS5 or a base Xbox series X right so coming in with that price point I don't think would be bad

[00:20:57] especially what's the switch OLED is the OLED at 350.

[00:21:28] I think so.

[00:21:30] Probably the next Mario Kart as well.

[00:21:33] I'd say those are the three like prime will just to be like oh look how great this thing is like look how powerful our system is it can make this game look amazing and then the 3D the Odyssey sequel that we've been begging for for years at this point and then the long awaited sequel to Mario Kart 8.

[00:21:48] You know you show those three games and they all look and run spectacularly on this portable thing that has the similar form factor hopefully an improved form factor and fixes all the little issues the original switch has but is a more powerful beast that's worthy of upgrading and keeping all your old stuff.

[00:22:05] They're fine they'll be just fine.

[00:22:07] It won't sell as well but I think they know it's not going to sell as well but not selling 140 million units say they sell 80 million.

[00:22:20] That's still pretty good.

[00:22:22] Yeah.

[00:22:24] So they just got a crap out of Pokemon game and everyone will buy it anyways so.

[00:22:28] That is true.

[00:22:29] That is true.

[00:22:30] So again my guess is probably within the next couple weeks we'll do a super pod network special where we talk about the switch to unveiling because it'll probably be worth it and and we'll go from there.

[00:22:46] So yeah, yeah this PS5 pro thing is just crazy like I was just at work doing my stuff and then I saw people were talking about it and I'm like oh they announced this thing and then I look at it.

[00:22:55] And I'm like oh no.

[00:22:58] Usually we're at we're at arrogant Sony this feels like PS3 level arrogant Sony.

[00:23:03] This feels worse than PS3.

[00:23:05] Well it's yeah because they think people will just buy it.

[00:23:07] Yeah because it has the Sony name on it and to be fair there's been a lot of people online who have pushed that narrative.

[00:23:14] They have and and yeah it's crazy like these the same people who say they want Xbox to die and it's like brother if Xbox goes under the PS6 will be a thousand bucks because it'll be more than a thousand bucks.

[00:23:25] It's the only console on the fucking market and games will be $100 each.

[00:23:29] Exactly and I'm not going to console game at that point.

[00:23:32] I would rather I'll buy a Nintendo console.

[00:23:35] Yeah, but I will keep my series until it fucking dies because it'll probably be the last disk based Xbox console and from there I'll just go to PC.

[00:23:43] I'll just go full retro at that point.

[00:23:46] I mean hell Sony is going to put all their shit on PC anyways.

[00:23:49] We're getting there.

[00:23:51] Nintendo is going to be that last holdout.

[00:23:54] The day they do that will be.

[00:23:57] That'll be a day to put in the history books because it'll be a good while but I just the day they're just like OK here's Breath of the Wild on PC.

[00:24:07] It's been like 10 years or whatever 15 years here it is on Steam and that thing will sell another like 10 million units.

[00:24:14] Now knowing Nintendo won't even be breathable.

[00:24:16] It'll be fucking Ocarina's time.

[00:24:18] Yeah and no price at like $40.

[00:24:20] Yeah and people will still and they'll still buy it.

[00:24:24] Just for the novelty of it.

[00:24:26] Just like the what the hell is this?

[00:24:29] You know could you imagine them putting like NES Mario one officially on Steam for like $10.

[00:24:37] Fucking dumbasses would buy it even though you can just fucking emulate that shit so fucking easy.

[00:24:42] I know it's so funny like before they hit before they hit Vim you could play it in your fucking browser.

[00:24:48] Oh yes like one of the cool things about Vim's layer that have been messed around with a little bit is that yeah you can do a lot of those older games you can just start to play them in your browser which is actually like really cool.

[00:25:01] So good job them if you're listening I have no idea.

[00:25:07] Yeah so before we get to know it's what's funny sorry is that I just see a Wario 64 tweet that just says the Xbox Series X 2TB console was still available for pre-order.

[00:25:18] It's $699 and they say includes a disc drive.

[00:25:21] So think about it for 100 potentially 200 bucks less you can get a 2TB Series X that'll have like 98% of the same games has a disc drive baked into it.

[00:25:33] There you go.

[00:25:35] I mean hell what was it?

[00:25:37] It was a couple months ago when Sony raised the price of the PS5 in Japan and apparently Series X has started flying off the shelves because it was cheaper.

[00:25:46] It didn't last it was probably like a week or two of a little burst but it was enough to people were like oh shit.

[00:25:53] They're actually selling in there that's crazy.

[00:25:57] You know I'm a strong Sony I won't say I'm a Sony defender but I'm one of those guys that I don't think they deserve a lot of the hate they get.

[00:26:04] This is the first time I was like yeah this is warranted.

[00:26:06] I'm like I ain't even trying to defend them here.

[00:26:08] Oh yeah I mean they all have issues for sure but yeah this is a serious blunder.

[00:26:15] But will it be one that harms them in a long term stance?

[00:26:19] That we cannot say.

[00:26:21] See it depends how hard fast they're going to be with this.

[00:26:25] Yeah but will they lower the price of the base PS5 for this?

[00:26:31] My guess is they won't.

[00:26:32] You'd like to hope that but I doubt it.

[00:26:34] Yeah like my best bet is I'll get a used PS5 disc model on you know out there for like 400 300 bucks and then go from there.

[00:26:46] Yeah or you just buy a game gear.

[00:26:50] Yeah or a 3DO.

[00:26:53] They're cheaper now.

[00:26:56] And they have games.

[00:26:58] PS5 ain't got no games.

[00:27:00] I would like to bring up though on a bit of a lighter note before we get into our topic.

[00:27:06] We had a couple anniversaries this week.

[00:27:09] I believe it was the 25th anniversary of the Dreamcast this week.

[00:27:13] Yes that was.

[00:27:14] How fitting is it because I've been bringing up Sega like crazy these past few weeks.

[00:27:18] And yeah and the Dreamcast of its 25th anniversary.

[00:27:21] Also Final Fantasy 8 just they were the same day.

[00:27:24] I always have to bring that up.

[00:27:25] Who fucking cares anyways.

[00:27:27] I do damn it.

[00:27:28] I know I know.

[00:27:30] I feel like one of these days all you super pod people are going to make me play that game start to finish.

[00:27:36] I'm pretty sure I'm the only one in the in the network that actually likes that game.

[00:27:40] Nave likes it.

[00:27:42] Oh yeah Nave does.

[00:27:43] We did a listening together on it.

[00:27:46] But a lot of my most recent Dreamcast playing has been a Sega Bass fishing with the fishing rod controller.

[00:27:53] I had to buy bought I imported this boy from Japan.

[00:27:57] And for some reason third party Japanese accessories work on it like it's region locked yet accessories are not.

[00:28:06] Yeah they usually always were like that for whatever reason.

[00:28:09] Yeah it might be hard components but this thing with Sega Bass fishing is actually like pretty dope.

[00:28:14] So well actually it's funny because a lot of if you buy so I my Dreamcast was brand new in the box when I bought it because it was a new one.

[00:28:23] It was a pretty cool old stock.

[00:28:24] It's an American Dreamcast like orange logo and everything but it actually came with a European controller for what for reason.

[00:28:30] Yeah that's weird.

[00:28:32] Like my controller has a blue swirl on it.

[00:28:34] I'm like yeah that's funny.

[00:28:36] It's like I don't hate the blue swirl it makes a lot more sense but I'm just so used to the orange swirl.

[00:28:41] I guess from what I've read it was a lawsuit like there was a company that used the orange swirl in Europe so they had to change it.

[00:28:47] So is weird.

[00:28:49] I do like the fact that they changed like the BIOS and everything though in the system so it's just blue now.

[00:28:54] That is cute but yeah Dreamcast one of the greatest consoles of all time a console that we failed we failed it as a fan base as a consumer base.

[00:29:05] I saw a video and who came out on top Sony look what they're doing right now.

[00:29:10] I know we could have had the Dreamcast like four by now.

[00:29:13] I know.

[00:29:14] I saw a video on the Dreamcast years ago.

[00:29:17] Well it was on failed consoles and I always remember because like they ended talking about the Dreamcast and I think they prefaced it as like it's the one failed console that everyone wishes didn't fail.

[00:29:29] Yes yes because I just if you look at stuff from the time just the historical perception was people seem to like it and it started off really strong but I think it was shortly after that.

[00:29:43] Sony announced the PS2 and everyone saw that and they're like oh I'm just going to wait.

[00:29:49] Yeah the sheer hype like I'm not one of those believers that thinks a DVD driver would have saved it.

[00:29:55] I don't think that would have been enough.

[00:29:58] No no I think it was just Sony was coming off of the huge success of the PS1 and a lot of people are looking forward to what the PS2 was going to offer and that was back when generational leaps were still pretty considerable.

[00:30:10] And you know people were just ready for it and Sega had hurt their reputation to the consumer base to even when the Dreamcast got everything right people were still a little bit weary and the lack of like true third party support

[00:30:25] is well heard it had pretty good third party support but not enough but not enough third party support whereas they all were going behind Sony and then of course with the GameCube and then the original Xbox looming you know just Sega like if Sega had made it to 0203 it probably wouldn't it would have been swallowed

[00:30:44] whole by the other four at that point.

[00:30:47] Like to me the moment that they probably realized this thing was they were done with consoles is when they couldn't even give the damn things away.

[00:30:55] Yeah yeah which again all that goes on Sega I think.

[00:31:00] I mean again there are other things that happened around the industry that you know you could play some of the blame on but at the end of the day Sega just somehow they went from being like the top like being the company.

[00:31:14] To knock Nintendo off of its perch which it was on that perch for a long time and they were able to actually break through the monopoly of Nintendo and establish themselves as just as if not greater to some extent you know like when the Genesis was at its peak even when the

[00:31:44] Kings and then they just let themselves rock slide into doom and gloom.

[00:31:50] Their parent their parent company was incredibly jealous of their own success and decided to sabotage themselves.

[00:31:57] Yeah which is just so fucking stupid.

[00:32:01] You could go on for days over how Sega was one of the greatest clusterfucks in gaming.

[00:32:06] Yeah yeah and that even despite all of that we all still hold them near and dear to our hearts because just the kind of games and the kind of systems they were making.

[00:32:17] They weren't afraid to take a risk.

[00:32:20] And it represents a weird way a bygone era of like game making that just like people don't make games like this anymore.

[00:32:27] The reason why games like this anymore even Sega themselves don't approach games like this anymore.

[00:32:31] No like the reason why the Super Nintendo and Genesis era to me is considered one of the greatest errors in gaming is because Nintendo had to fucking try because they actually had competition that was forcing them to try.

[00:32:46] I mean they were making great stuff in the NES era when they didn't really have any genuine competition but yeah but the Super Nintendo to your point like push them to be better.

[00:32:56] And it did push them to be better because just about all their first party offerings from that console generation people still say are like the best stuff they've ever done.

[00:33:08] Like there are people who say Mario World is the best Mario game I do not agree with that.

[00:33:12] You know it doesn't either so.

[00:33:14] Yeah that's a whole other tangent but I just find Mario World very bland.

[00:33:20] See I find Mario 3 very bland.

[00:33:22] I think Mario 3 is fucking perfect.

[00:33:25] Like it has more variety to it than World but that's I digress.

[00:33:29] Link to the past a lot of people say is the best Zelda game and it's not my favorite but you know it's very fucking good like Super Metroid not my favorite Metroid game but like a game that established a genre.

[00:33:45] So you got to give it that you know like I mean hell Yoshi's Island love Yoshi's Island.

[00:33:49] See that's my favorite side scroller earthbound.

[00:33:52] Yeah oh yes Yoshi's Island I think is that's probably the best like Nintendo game on that system.

[00:33:59] Oh yeah you know I might get some flak for saying that but that's just my opinion.

[00:34:03] I love Donkey Kong Country but those games have aged like shit.

[00:34:06] Yeah they're not great.

[00:34:09] They're not great.

[00:34:10] I think Rare's best stuff was still to come.

[00:34:13] But yeah like it pushed Nintendo to be better and by the same logic Sega was still pushing themselves to be better and making a lot of games.

[00:34:21] Sega had to do everything Nintendo was doing by themselves because Nintendo had the monopoly on pretty much every one.

[00:34:26] Yeah and I think some people tend to downplay Sega's IPs right but like I mean they were pushing them in the other was Sonic but they had like so much like Fantasy Star the shining series Echo.

[00:34:40] Final.

[00:34:41] Yeah I mean the streets are rage streets are rage Vector Man like they were they still had a bunch of IP themselves that they were crafting and and and the third parties were starting to really come in on the Genesis and make their own unique experiences.

[00:34:55] You know like say with like say Castlevania Bloodlines Contra hardcore the hyperstone heist like the games that they were like you know what we're making it for this console so let's give it that sort of vibe like a Genesis kind of edge.

[00:35:09] And so that's why those two consoles are like perfect rivals and they match each other in so many different ways but each library has its own unique characteristics to it.

[00:35:18] Oh yeah you know it's the one console war that really mattered.

[00:35:23] Yeah because they genuinely hated each other like the only other one that comes close and this one's a bit of a stretch is the PS 3 360 not in terms of power just in terms of like how it actually I think made the two companies stronger.

[00:35:36] Yeah and I think they were competing with each other it wasn't as bloodlust as Nintendo Sega but but you could tell there was some genuine competition there between the two of them.

[00:35:46] And yeah it did push them to be to be better but I think they just kind of fell into complacency once we hit the PS 4 era.

[00:35:53] I think Microsoft's fall off during the the the X bone era is really kind of what let Sony get big headed like they've been lately and yes because Microsoft really hasn't they've recovered but they haven't become like the powerhouse they were during the era again.

[00:36:12] Yeah like like like they're not doom and gloom as so many people like to say like they're doing just fine they're not going anywhere like if you're worried about the hardware that's fair but like again like Microsoft's at a point now where they see what Sony is doing and they're like they could like come around the corner and really change perceptions

[00:36:30] but do they even want to do that. I don't know I think Microsoft they could they could they could ascend you know they could let they could let Sony become arrogant Sony again and then just come out of nowhere and be like you know we're the fucking place to be look at us and then people maybe shift over but again it's with digital libraries and how things are now I don't think it's possible or at least not to the extent when everyone went moved from the PS 2 through 60.

[00:37:00] Like that's not going to happen again I don't think that can happen again.

[00:37:03] What's always funny to me too is like in situations like this where Sony and Microsoft are in weird places everyone always forgets Nintendo's looming in the background about the fucking strike.

[00:37:14] Yeah well Nintendo kind of put themselves out of the direct competition they made a conscious decision to be the second console and it's worked fantastically well for them.

[00:37:24] Oh yeah I mean people forget that we fucking won that generation no matter how forgettable it's second half was.

[00:37:31] Oh yeah it was pretty rough.

[00:37:36] But yeah Sony's in a weird spot and Bill's crying over about it now I'm just kidding.

[00:37:41] This is like the most even I'm over their shit at this point and I'm just kind of like I'll stick with my PS2 thank you.

[00:37:49] Because at the end of the day what people want from the PS5 is what they wanted from the PS4 which was like those first party games and people aren't getting them.

[00:38:00] Like that we have a few but not nearly as much and it just feels like stuff that could have ran on a PS4 in fact a lot of them do run on a PS4.

[00:38:09] So what's the point I mean hell like a rebirth has caused Square Enix to be like you know what fuck it we're just putting everything on everything.

[00:38:16] And I wouldn't be surprised if at Tokyo Game Show which is coming up if Square is just like alright Final Fantasy 16 7 Remake 7 Remake Rebirth.

[00:38:26] It's all coming to Xbox and PC I think it's all on PC already but there's like fucking 16s coming to PC soon I know that yeah I mean and they've said as much that they're going multi-plat like people have said oh they're going to put more on Xbox and they're like yeah.

[00:38:41] Final Fantasy 14 when that hit Xbox that did really well they're very pleased with it so they're just like fuck it multi-plat going forward.

[00:38:50] And I feel like that's the future like there's not going to be that many third party publisher developers who go exclusive for one console you know they're just going to multi-plat everything you know you'll have maybe like say some Indies or some upstarts do that to get some more money for their games but like.

[00:39:09] Like is Ubisoft going to do like a Sony or Microsoft exclusive game no.

[00:39:16] The only true like that's fucking stupid.

[00:39:19] To me the only true exclusives we're going to see for a while going forward are the Nintendo things.

[00:39:24] Yeah because it's still working for them and and to them if it ain't broke they're not going to fix it.

[00:39:31] I mean Nintendo could totally fumble the switch to and then we start getting new stuff on PC but that would take an aligning of the stars that even were not prepared for.

[00:39:42] Yeah because even then if they did fumble the switch to they'll be fine they could probably still coast on the switch one because let's face it people are still buying the damn things.

[00:39:51] Exactly exactly like they would be just fine and Nintendo I mean they proved it with the Wii U they can take they can take a hit for a couple years and be just fine because they're very smart.

[00:40:04] You know like yeah we hate them for a lot of understandable reasons but they're also a very smart company and they and they don't just throw their money everywhere like the other two they know they play a conservative.

[00:40:17] But it seems to work just fine for them so even if their games don't sell crazy high numbers they don't really complain about it.

[00:40:25] They're just like yeah it probably turned to profit.

[00:40:29] Yeah they're fine.

[00:40:32] That was a heavy opening.

[00:40:34] Yeah for 40 fucking minutes of current industry news but there was a lot that happened so it was worth talking about.

[00:40:42] Yeah we'll see we'll see what changes next week.

[00:40:47] I will I would like to say though our topic for this episode is a very interesting game to me because we're actually going to be talking about Blade Force.

[00:40:57] I don't have it I'm sorry.

[00:40:59] That's that's okay this copy actually like the box just like the glue that was holding it together because it's one of those cheap O'deva boxes.

[00:41:07] Oh yeah it gave up on me so I had to scotch tape the box back together.

[00:41:11] I've seen a few scotch tape 3DO boxes though so yeah so you're not too you're not too bad on that.

[00:41:18] Yeah so Blade Force I wanted to talk.

[00:41:23] I mean first of all what a fucking generic ass name and like a generic ass cover like this game honestly like this game just purely on looking at it before I even played it was not enticing at all.

[00:41:40] At all. Like that fucking title could be an Intellivision game.

[00:41:43] I know it is one of the so the reason I bought this game well we'll get into one of the reasons but the other reason was this was I got this complete in box copy for $5 like back when I first started collecting 3DO.

[00:41:55] Yeah yeah.

[00:41:58] It also took me forever to realize that the thing on the cover is a helicopter man.

[00:42:05] That's just kind of awesome I don't know.

[00:42:09] Apparently according to price charting CIB it's now about 30 bucks but you can get it loose for like 10 15.

[00:42:16] Yeah it's a so it was a studio 3DO games and one of their in house projects so they made a lot of these.

[00:42:24] Interestingly enough this was a late 3DO game this was 95 so this was like right at towards the end of 3DOs I am as a console.

[00:42:32] I can kind of see it though with how the game looks and how it plays because I will say graphically I do think the game is pretty impressive.

[00:42:42] This console so that is the reason I wanted to play this game because when I was looking up 3DO games when I first started getting into the system.

[00:42:50] Blade force was the one that caught my eye just because I wish we did video footage of the games during for the video versions but.

[00:42:58] Holy fuck the graphics on this game are almost so one of the 3DOs biggest running gags with its detractors is for a system called the 3DO it kind of sucked at 3D.

[00:43:11] This is one of the few games that I think actually like showcase the 3DO was quite capable with 3D to a degree.

[00:43:20] Because this game is on par with a lot of early PS1 stuff.

[00:43:25] Yeah I agree.

[00:43:29] So I guess the best way to describe this game it's a open world ish action shooter game where you fly around levels and shoot shit.

[00:43:42] Basically so before we even get into the gameplay we got to talk about as you said yeah graphically it's very impressive with the 3D stuff and I was honestly surprised at how well it ran.

[00:43:53] As well I mean I was playing on an emulator but it was it was I didn't have any like slow down or anything like I thought it controlled decently well but.

[00:44:02] It opens with one of the most terrifying things I've ever seen in my goddamn life and that is not the Medusa lady no the fucking old man the three old man who like talks to you and he's like.

[00:44:15] Right here.

[00:44:16] Yep to the to the camera and you can see all of his mid 90s wrinkles.

[00:44:22] I was like I literally went back.

[00:44:25] I was like the fuck is that I was like 5050 on putting him in the thumbnail I went against it at the last minute instead put the futuristic city but um.

[00:44:35] No man.

[00:44:38] Because yeah the the opening cutscene for this game uses some of the most horrifying yet amazing 90s CGI ever.

[00:44:46] Yeah like again stuff that was probably impressive at the time it's more impressive than D sorry D but um but yeah it's just like like this is more scary than fucking D.

[00:44:59] It is I actually like the guys like.

[00:45:02] I think even Drey realizes that game hasn't aged well but he loved it back in the day I can see why I can understand back in the day it's just it's one of those games that has aged like shit.

[00:45:14] Exactly exactly um yeah that opening cutscene I actually like the open the narrator they got for it like he doesn't perform he doesn't like go over the top and he actually performs the lines pretty well but it's so over the top 90s it's not even funny.

[00:45:30] Yeah but but it has that you know that charm to it that a lot of games from this era have when you go back and play them.

[00:45:36] You know yeah like when I first booted up I was like holy crap this game actually it feels like a game which was rare for 3DO games sometimes.

[00:45:45] Yeah for sure yeah because it because you go into that tutorial and it's trying to like teach you how to play the game.

[00:45:51] And my thought was like the controls are a little sluggish but I think I can kind of figure it out and it wasn't too bad like the issue I had was sort of like the depth perception you know because your icon or your little helicopter man is like right here at the bottom of the screen like right bottom in the direct center like center bottom which is like for like any sort of game where you're like a helicopter or whatever.

[00:46:15] If it's like say if it's not like 2D say if it's like behind the idea say like return fire when you're when you're in the helicopter they always have you in the dead center of the screen kind of zoomed out so you can see what you're doing you know unless it's like say like a first person flying game.

[00:46:30] So but this is trying to do the whole like you know it's like he's like right here but it just it mess with my death perception when it came to like collecting items and all that but thankfully I found the game to be pretty generous with that stuff.

[00:46:43] Even though even the lock on system for using your guns was very very generous.

[00:46:48] So credit to them for at least recognizing those limitations and doing some like you know borderline modern quality of life stuff to make sure that it's like a playable game and it was it was like weirdly enough one of the more playable games we've ever played on the show.

[00:47:03] It even though I couldn't get out of the first level because I didn't know where the fuck I was going or what the fuck I was doing.

[00:47:10] So the one so control wise this game I think has a bit of a learning curve but once you figure it out it's actually pretty fun.

[00:47:19] The problem I have with this game is they don't tell you what the fuck to do when you're in the.

[00:47:24] Yeah I think you're supposed to just like collect stuff to like progress further in the map to take out like the big bad guy or whatever yeah it's like but you're not quite sure what it is you need to collect or what you actually have to do.

[00:47:37] You know so you're just collecting for some reason the game gives you health and fuel.

[00:47:42] Yes it's like I feel like it should be one or the other.

[00:47:46] It's yeah it's one of those weird ones I kind of like I remember getting past the first level by just kind of shooting shit and then I suddenly won that was like oh I did it I guess like like once I warmed up to the controls I started I said I had fun sort of like you know flying around and shooting the random like gunship stuff and collecting things and like I was starting to get a feel for it and there was a lot of fun.

[00:48:07] There's a lot of things you can shoot and destroy but again the game doesn't do a lot to really explain what it is you're shooting why it is you're shooting it like what the purpose of it is and how to like keep going like it gives you some hints but like not enough so I just spent like I think I play like two hours of that game and most of it was me just being like what the hell's going on.

[00:48:30] Yeah it's I so I beat this way back when it first when I first got it like back in like 2018 ish but it clearly didn't leave enough of an impression because I couldn't remember how the fun.

[00:48:42] I had to look up a guide and even in the time since then I still don't really remember how I got through it.

[00:48:51] I will say things I like about the game or the camera to me is very interesting like it kind of actually gives you that feeling of like you're in a helicopter like the way it kind of like dips down and like curves around.

[00:49:05] Yeah yeah like the game engine is really impressive but I kind of wish they did more with it.

[00:49:11] Yeah yeah like like apparently this as you said was made by a studio 3DO like a lot of the people who made Jurassic Park interactive made this which in a weird way I could see say with like those crappy velociraptor mazes like that 3D sort of engine was perfectly fine.

[00:49:29] So it felt like they took that and tried to turn it into like a helicopter game which is perfectly fine.

[00:49:35] But you know and yeah it's like it's a it's a perfectly serviceable game I like how it controls like graphically it's pretty good for the era.

[00:49:43] Like it wasn't frustrating to play or anything but it just it becomes to quote a VGN one of those where the fuck do I go kind of yeah it's kind of really it's main issue.

[00:49:56] You know that it's actually a really weird speaking of a VGN this is actually a really weird comparison but I kind of feel like this is a more playable version of that fucking Jaguar game with the face.

[00:50:07] Cyber Morph.

[00:50:08] It's like a more playable version of Cyber Morph in a lot of ways.

[00:50:12] I mean at least with Cyber Morph you actually see your plane the whole time.

[00:50:16] You know like that game doesn't control very well and I think Cyber Morph is trying to be like like their Star Fox I think and it just doesn't really come close to it's more impressive than Star Fox but it's not a better game than Star Fox.

[00:50:30] Like in a weird way Blade Force I think like surpasses both of them in terms of like the fidelity because yet uses a mixture of like 3D models and also like like it actually has like textures on the polygons which in 95 is like fucking mind blowing they're putting textures on these things.

[00:50:46] Who knows who knows what's next.

[00:50:49] With more polygons.

[00:50:52] Like the biggest thing to me like with this game like that I noticed right away is the fucking draw distance is really fucking good.

[00:50:59] Yeah I mean it has the fog but it's not nearly as bad as some other games we've played.

[00:51:05] I mean hell even some like modern games I've played have had not good draw distances.

[00:51:10] What do you think of the totally radical soundtrack.

[00:51:14] The very 90s.

[00:51:15] Yeah there are a lot of guitar and like just like shredding and shit and that was like.

[00:51:20] It honestly felt like B-roll music for Road Rash.

[00:51:23] Kind of yeah I liked it but like the whole time I'm like this is about all I like about it.

[00:51:29] Yeah and I did my best not to pull up a walkthrough for this game just because I wanted to see if I could figure it out I never did but this is a game I don't know if it even has a walkthrough or not because with some obscure games you can never you can never tell.

[00:51:41] There are walkthroughs but they're not the best written.

[00:51:46] Yeah I mean when you're looking up a walkthrough for a game from 1995 written by some doofus in a basement in like 1998 you know it's not going to be all that impressive so.

[00:51:57] It was probably playing a different game and mixed up the names.

[00:52:00] That totally happened a few times.

[00:52:04] Yeah yeah.

[00:52:07] But yeah like I don't think this is a bad game at all.

[00:52:10] Like dare I say I think this is the most visually impressive game on 3DO that we've played so far from a 3D aspect.

[00:52:20] OK so I was going to say it's not it's graphically not as good as plumbers don't wear ties but you know.

[00:52:25] Hell yeah.

[00:52:26] That's real people man holy shit.

[00:52:28] It doesn't have make yeah goddamn it's too it's too riscape or steam god damn it.

[00:52:33] That was amazing.

[00:52:35] Oh my god.

[00:52:37] Yeah fucking that wow plumbers don't wear ties.

[00:52:41] That's terrible too much sex with Hitler to.

[00:52:45] Oh that's perfect.

[00:52:47] In fact funnily enough we've mentioned plumbers don't wear ties.

[00:52:51] I got an email from limited run games right because if some of you remember I did order that like one day thing they had for 3DO copy of plumbers don't wear ties.

[00:53:03] Like it was a complete impulse buy right.

[00:53:06] So they said oh we're excited to get your pre-order right but they wanted to let me know that the estimated ship date had changed it was originally going to be September 10th through the 12th right sometime this week.

[00:53:19] It got pushed back to fucking October sounds about right.

[00:53:24] Literally and it's the whole month like sometime in October.

[00:53:28] And so when they don't meet that deadline they can go sometime in November.

[00:53:32] And it's like is this trying to make sure they don't do the fucking CDR thing again.

[00:53:39] I hope so when you get that review it for the show.

[00:53:43] No no when I get it when I get it I'll probably do like a solo video of it so everybody can see it and we'll probably put it up separate.

[00:53:53] Like I'll do a thing for it I promise but it'll probably be I'll do a separate thing where I do like a complete unboxing of it and I'll probably like even do a test of it.

[00:54:02] That kind of thing like you know I'll do like a little YouTube special thing on it but we'll I will show it in the show when we get it.

[00:54:08] Because yeah I I oh god damn I spent way too much goddamn money on this piece of shit.

[00:54:14] But at this point it's like they said I could cancel it but I'm like I'm going to get content out of this so I'm not I'm not canceling it so.

[00:54:22] So hopefully sometime in October.

[00:54:25] I will get their version of plumbers don't wear ties and we'll go from there.

[00:54:29] Yeah so I mean you still paid less than I did for my original version.

[00:54:35] That is true that is true.

[00:54:37] So god fucking damn it these stupid and limited run they had a bunch of Dreamcast merch for some reason.

[00:54:46] I hope they're not trying to get into reprinting Dreamcast games because.

[00:54:51] That would be amazing.

[00:54:54] They've already fucked up 3DO like are they gonna fuck up Dreamcast now.

[00:54:59] Yeah that got fucked up a long time ago.

[00:55:04] Yeah yeah they have a bunch of like yeah Dreamcast merch which I find weird that they're doing that and not Sega themselves.

[00:55:11] I mean Sega has Dreamcast merch on their site.

[00:55:14] It's always been there.

[00:55:15] They have like a really cool Dreamcast shirt.

[00:55:18] And it's like I saw that and I was like yeah but I don't want to give limited run games money for a Sega thing like fuck out of here.

[00:55:25] You know I mean hell they had that 3DO shirt for a while but that's long gone otherwise I would have bought one.

[00:55:32] You know it's kind of funny.

[00:55:34] The um so this game was super late into 3DO but I love how like a 3DO made game they were still desperately trying to hold on to their stupid rating system.

[00:55:45] Yeah yeah it's rated 17 yet apparently according to the third chair of this show Wikipedia.

[00:55:52] The Japanese release was rated E.

[00:55:55] Yeah.

[00:55:56] Cause like I played this game and I was like what the hell is 17 about this.

[00:56:00] Like I don't even think they swear if they do I just it didn't cross my brain.

[00:56:06] This the back cover is so fucking 90s as well.

[00:56:09] Like you are entering mega grid a thriving metropolis built in the ruin some big city.

[00:56:16] Mega grid.

[00:56:18] That's mega with 2Gs by the way.

[00:56:21] Mega.

[00:56:23] It's built on the ruins of a city once known as Los Angeles but you mean it wasn't ruins already.

[00:56:30] Um sorry.

[00:56:31] No I love it it takes place in the year 2110 so they were smart to put it like super far in the fucking future.

[00:56:39] Like well past all of us are dead so we won't know.

[00:56:43] Yeah smart on their part.

[00:56:45] See if you're going to make a game that's like a dystopian future yeah just make up some number like oh it's the year 5089.

[00:56:53] This is the most this is the most 90s text ever the year is 2110 and chaos rule.

[00:57:00] That looks like the back of a VHS tape from 1995.

[00:57:03] I really wish they did 2112 just so we could have like a rush reference but.

[00:57:08] They can't get away with that that one's too obvious even in 95 people would have got that reference.

[00:57:13] Also there's a little like this weird like funky arrow thing down here and it's like six degrees of freedom.

[00:57:20] I mean to be fair I think the idea is that it's meant to be like it has like smooth flying which it does surprisingly enough but but again to compare it to a combat which was probably around the same time.

[00:57:37] Is it better than that no.

[00:57:39] No.

[00:57:41] Unfortunately like I feel like this was like this was like Studio 3D like putting their all into something to in a less desperate measure and unfortunately like most 3D stuff it just kind of like it was cool but like who was going to play this back in 95.

[00:57:59] Like it's a yeah it's a fine enough game but like this is 1995 we can't have like a helicopter game be sort of the reason everybody shows up to play your console you know what I mean like this isn't the NES or this is like the Sega Genesis where like desert strike was a big deal on there you know or like even jungle strike right like it's like even return fire was really cool but you're not just a helicopter you have a bunch of different vehicles right.

[00:58:29] So you can't get away with that you know like imagine if say the PS5 pros like big big next gen game was like some fucking helicopter said you'd be like everyone would be like what the fuck is this bullshit you know what I mean even in 95 it's like yeah it's a cool game and it's it's worth it's worth trying but you know it's it's not something you buy a console for it's something that when you're looking for a game for your console you see it it's like 20 bucks and you go yeah why not.

[00:58:57] This is like one of those games that I feel like is like one of those retroactive like gems where it's like no way at the time it came out it was probably like yeah whatever but like you look at it nowadays and you're like wow 3DO actually was something.

[00:59:12] It's not crystal clear it's a bit smudgy it's a bit hazy.

[00:59:16] You know.

[00:59:19] So before we get into.

[00:59:22] Okay must play stay away because there's really not much else to say about this game other than it got good ratings.

[00:59:29] It did it got surprising game raking has it at 90% all game gave it three and a half stars edge gave it seven out of 10 games.

[00:59:39] Adam Copeland reviews video games.

[00:59:43] That's funny.

[00:59:44] I'm glad you got that.

[00:59:46] Yeah.

[00:59:48] Three eight 3DO magazine they they must have just only reviewed certain games, but they they gave it a four out of five stars next generation gave it five stars.

[00:59:57] The electric playground anyone remembers them.

[01:00:01] Nine out of 10.

[01:00:03] The lowest score here is maniac with an exclamation point for an eye gave it a 53%.

[01:00:13] I can see why.

[01:00:17] But um, yeah it was a lot of the phrase was mostly directed at the graphics and a lot of outlets called it the best game for 3DO.

[01:00:25] Highly debatable but.

[01:00:27] Sure.

[01:00:28] In terms of its graphics it is very impressive for the system, but like, like this is like oh the best game on the set. No, no.

[01:00:36] No, not when like Street Fighter 2 exists.

[01:00:41] Yeah, I'd take Gex over this.

[01:00:44] I mean yeah, Gex is still the system.

[01:00:46] Road rash I'd play over this.

[01:00:48] Yeah need for speed I'd play over this.

[01:00:50] Alright, here's the first paragraph of the 3DO magazine review which is on Internet Archive. Thank you.

[01:00:56] After all the hype about PSX Blade Force delivers a timely demonstration of 3DO power with some of the most sumptuous 3D yet seen vast cityscapes recreate the feel of a daytime fog draped Blade Runner impressive for a leisurely exploration game gobsmacking for 26 FPS arcade blaster.

[01:01:16] I like that term leisurely exploration game that's actually kind of accurate.

[01:01:22] To be fair it was more chill than I expected.

[01:01:25] Yeah, the later levels do get kind of intense because I remember because I did get through a few levels.

[01:01:32] The later ones get pretty challenging like this game kind of gets pretty hard later on and thankfully continues aren't limited but.

[01:01:38] I mean I would I would hope so there was one time I did run out of fuel.

[01:01:42] And I love the one I ran out of fuel. I think I got the same animation if you run out of health which is just you just you turn into a big ball of fire and just crash.

[01:01:50] Yeah I love that.

[01:01:51] And I'm like I ran out of fuel what's there to be set on fire?

[01:01:56] The pilot just gave up.

[01:02:00] He hit the spontaneous combust on his fucking suit.

[01:02:03] He hit self destruct he's like I'm done.

[01:02:06] I'll never get out of this.

[01:02:07] I'm gonna die anyways might as well go out into plays of glory.

[01:02:10] He died on the way back to his own planet.

[01:02:13] He was one day away from retirement.

[01:02:16] What does it say bite me that's the legend scrawled on the hero's mouthpiece that's the attitude of developers of blade force a colossal colossal 3D landscapes,

[01:02:26] mass gun emplacements a sky full of attack drones all at 30 FPS or more.

[01:02:31] He just said it was 26.

[01:02:35] That doesn't sound as good.

[01:02:38] I like that if you bizarrely don't like rock, like because I'm about the music.

[01:02:42] It's like in 95 you could say that in 2024 you cannot get away with saying that.

[01:02:48] I mean 95. Yeah, the entire the music landscape was literally grunge new metal and punk.

[01:02:54] So yeah, kind of well R&B and he was having rap.

[01:02:58] I think country was still in its like resurgence at the time like the 90s was a surprisingly varied era for music and also 95 is when it was that weird gap like right before like the early 90s is very pop heavy the late 90s is very pop heavy is right in that gap.

[01:03:15] So there's like 97 when like Hansen came out that started the big late 90s pop boom.

[01:03:21] We're not here to talk about music history are we I mean we could.

[01:03:25] Oh, the game is compatible with a flight stick.

[01:03:29] According to this review, it could be a game I actually probably I'd actually kind of like to try that but I don't know if the 3D or flight stick is easy to find.

[01:03:38] Yeah, I love how they hype all this stuff up at the end they say it's certainly it will certainly not appeal to everyone.

[01:03:44] I mean, you could say that about literally every game.

[01:03:49] I know I know to be fair, I don't think if you're a 3DO owner this game probably isn't like that.

[01:03:57] You know, like probably in 95 you're like I'll take anything.

[01:04:01] It's like this looks fine, you know.

[01:04:03] Yeah, and I mean it looked impressive I bet if you saw a screenshot of it.

[01:04:07] I mean probably the back actually does have some pretty nice.

[01:04:11] Actually no there's only one shot of the game the rest is the horrifying CG.

[01:04:15] Yeah, how are they thinking.

[01:04:17] It's for some reason 3DO mag they let you know like the size of the save game.

[01:04:22] It's six SRAM slots.

[01:04:26] Why they let you know that I have no idea.

[01:04:29] And if you have an FC one you can't manage your memory so good luck.

[01:04:33] Yeah, no memory manager on this boy.

[01:04:35] We haven't brought that one up in a while.

[01:04:37] I figured I'd bring it up.

[01:04:39] It's funny is right below it in this 3DO mag the next review is killing time.

[01:04:44] That was a late one too.

[01:04:46] And then let's see Space Hulk, which oh these these screenshots are a nightmare.

[01:04:54] Battle Sport and then and then they an ad for icebreaker was right after.

[01:05:01] Uh-oh.

[01:05:06] For some reason they do Super Wing Commander and Wing Commander 3 back to back in reviews like what the fuck.

[01:05:12] You look crazy.

[01:05:13] They must have came out around the same time.

[01:05:15] I guess so.

[01:05:16] But yeah seeing so oh mega race.

[01:05:19] Oh mega race.

[01:05:20] Ooh, that'll be a good one.

[01:05:23] That'll be.

[01:05:25] So for okay must play stay away.

[01:05:29] This one's tough because as much as I want to say it's a must play.

[01:05:34] It's kind of one of those games that like like the reviews said it's really not for everybody.

[01:05:40] I'm going to say okay on this one.

[01:05:43] Yeah, it's not a must play at all in my opinion.

[01:05:48] I find it very okay.

[01:05:50] I think if it had a better sense of direction and was kind of had a little bit more action at the beginning like better pacing.

[01:05:59] I think it could have become a must play but I think for what it is it's just okay.

[01:06:03] But it's definitely one of the better okay games.

[01:06:05] You know like when we do the tier of the second half this will probably be decently high up but it won't be incredible.

[01:06:17] You know what I mean?

[01:06:18] Definitely won't be an S tier but it will probably be in the higher half of the B and A tier.

[01:06:26] It's one of those games that I really wish 3DO had lasted longer just so we could have seen them do more with this engine because this engine is damn impressive.

[01:06:35] I mean, hell give me a Blade Force 2.

[01:06:39] Yeah honestly or hell this engine could have made the first Armyman game on 3DO if they lasted that long.

[01:06:45] That would have been interesting.

[01:06:47] Oh that reminds me a friend of mine sent me a thing yesterday.

[01:06:52] I'm surprised I had mentioned it to you.

[01:06:54] It's some weird like it looks like a live service shooter that looks like an Armyman game.

[01:07:03] Huh.

[01:07:04] It's called Greenhawk Platoon.

[01:07:09] So check that out.

[01:07:10] I have to keep that in mind.

[01:07:13] But yeah so Blade Force is a definite okay.

[01:07:18] Glad to finally get that one off the list because I'd been wanting to talk about it for a while just because it really is that graphical 3DO game that really did showcase the fact that the system had some chops to it.

[01:07:29] Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:07:30] I think it's a decently powerful system and I think this game is one of those that's like yeah, pretty good.

[01:07:39] It was very much kind of like a lot like the Saturn or the PS3 not in terms of success but just in terms of like it had power.

[01:07:50] You really needed a developer to really get that power out of it.

[01:07:54] Exactly, exactly.

[01:07:55] Hell, even the Atari Jaguar to a degree had similar stuff but the Jaguars didn't last.

[01:08:03] I mean 3DO at least sold three million so.

[01:08:06] Yeah exactly, exactly.

[01:08:09] So, but.

[01:08:11] No, you're good, you're good.

[01:08:12] I was just going to say so that leads to the question what do we play next.

[01:08:18] I'm looking at our list here.

[01:08:23] Trying to see what sticks out.

[01:08:29] We haven't done a fighter in a while.

[01:08:35] There's only like one left.

[01:08:38] Is it Fozovalli?

[01:08:40] No, I was thinking we haven't done Samurai Showdown yet.

[01:08:45] Oh yeah, we haven't done Samurai Showdown.

[01:08:48] I think Aaron wanted to do that with us.

[01:08:52] Well, I'm talking to him tomorrow so I can ask him.

[01:08:54] There you go, ask him.

[01:08:55] Alright, yeah so let's plan.

[01:08:59] Well contingency will say Samurai Showdown but if not, we might cover something.

[01:09:06] If not, let's do Offworld Interceptor because I know you wanted to do that one.

[01:09:11] Oh yeah, we can do that one.

[01:09:13] Another crystal game.

[01:09:15] Yeah, so it'll be one of those two.

[01:09:18] Okay, sounds good.

[01:09:20] Well, on that note guys, once again thanks for joining us on the 3DO experience.

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[01:10:11] And you will be streaming on Thursday this week right?

[01:10:15] Yes, sir.

[01:10:17] Actually before this I compiled my five games that I'm going to play.

[01:10:22] I'm going to tackle another Sonic game.

[01:10:24] Nice.

[01:10:25] But not one of the big ones.

[01:10:26] No, no, no.

[01:10:28] Instead I feel like the time is right.

[01:10:31] Sonic Spinball.

[01:10:32] Oh boy.

[01:10:33] We got to do Sonic Spinball so.

[01:10:35] I can't wait to see the audience reaction to that one.

[01:10:38] I mean that game is part of my blood so I know it very well.

[01:10:43] And then the other games I've picked it's an interesting collection of stuff.

[01:10:48] But that's what I like about the Genesis Stream is that I always pick a lot of interesting stuff.

[01:10:52] Like the issue I'm running into is a lot of people have recommended the big stuff and I'm like, I don't want to hit all the big stuff like right at the start.

[01:11:01] You know, so I'm trying to pace them out.

[01:11:03] So I'll get the streets of rage, okay?

[01:11:05] Calm down.

[01:11:06] Yeah, I gotta go dig into like the Genesis like library and find some obscure shit for you.

[01:11:10] That's what I need.

[01:11:11] I want the obscure shit like like when Felton gave me that fucking beach babo Rama.

[01:11:16] Where are the deep babes?

[01:11:21] I think I think there was a nude code.

[01:11:24] I forgot to enter so that's on me.

[01:11:26] Nice.

[01:11:27] Just no Pat's Riley basketball please.

[01:11:30] Oh yeah, fuck that.

[01:11:32] That game broke me.

[01:11:35] What's the basketball game that Scott the was played?

[01:11:38] Oh, it's awesome baby.

[01:11:40] Yeah, that one.

[01:11:41] Oh what the I can't remember the name of it.

[01:11:44] It's awesome baby hold on.

[01:11:47] I know the game I've actually played it.

[01:11:49] Dick Vitale Dick Vitale's awesome baby college oops that is the official name.

[01:11:57] I love that one.

[01:11:58] I'll add it to the list for you.

[01:12:01] I mean at this point you played one shitty basketball game.

[01:12:04] You had to at least try to try the other one.

[01:12:06] It can't be that bad.

[01:12:08] I hope not because that was that was something like I I joked in the episode.

[01:12:13] I'm like this is no slam and jam.

[01:12:15] I mean slam and jam is kind of a godsend compared to that.

[01:12:19] I mean I think our opinion of slam and jam was really this is good but we both just suck at it.

[01:12:25] Yeah, and to be fair I was not great at Pat Riley's basketball but I never felt like I was in control.

[01:12:30] No, like the entire chat was on your side with that one.

[01:12:34] Yeah so but anyways but yeah Dick Vitale I mean it was made by Time Warner Interactive.

[01:12:39] So how bad could it possibly be?

[01:12:42] They made Primal Rage.

[01:12:44] They made the Lawnmower Man.

[01:12:46] Do you remember the Lawnmower Man?

[01:12:48] Yep.

[01:12:52] But on that note guys we will see you all later.

[01:12:57] Bye bye.