The 3DO Experience - Episode 55: Demolition Man: Licensed FMV Action!

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[00:00:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Hello everybody and welcome back to the 3DO Experience, the 3DO Retrospective Podcast where we talk about all things 3DO, the 3DO Company and everything in between.

[00:00:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I am Bill and this is Thrak. How are you doing Thrak?

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm doing alright, how are you?

[00:00:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm doing okay. I had kind of a shitty day. My voice probably is a little fucked up because of some reasons but other than that I'm doing alright.

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Well hopefully I'll do most of the talking today.

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Like today was, it was the first of the month so now I have to start.

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_02]: So now my week's probably going to be a lot more busy at work but that's fine with me.

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_02]: So still had some downtime. I enjoyed the 3DO weekend. That was nice.

[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I watched some movies, played some games, took some naps. Just kind of relaxed for that Labor Day Week.

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I hope everyone else out there had a good Labor Day Weekend. I think we all needed the 3DOs.

[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I took more naps than I thought I would this week.

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_00]: There were multiple points where I was just chilling on my couch and then the next thing I know is like four hours later I was like, I fuck.

[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah but I got a really good night's sleep last night so that helped quite a bit.

[00:01:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And yes and to update from last week. I don't know if I showed them off last week but I got my new game gear with this really nice aftermarket blue shell.

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not the same blue shell that the originals had. It's more of like a baby blue but it looks really nice and it works very well though I keep it plugged in.

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't bother with the batteries.

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And I now have almost 20 games for the boy.

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_02]: So for our non-audio listeners, I am showing, for audio listeners I have the, here is your game gear ASMR.

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_02]: With all the classics like Sonic, Columns, Madden95, The Lion King, I even have a game called, where is it?

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a sports trivia championship edition, which is sports trivia but it's set up like a football game.

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a breakout clone called Woody Pop, which actually isn't too bad.

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a game called Tasmania that I cannot seem to figure out. I die on the first level every time.

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_00]: That's just like the Tasmanian devil game for Game Boy Color that I could never figure out.

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah there's another one. It's like Escape from Mars or something.

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And for some reason there's a series of games called Poker Face Paul.

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_02]: There's like Blackjack, Poker, Gin, Solitaire. I have the Blackjack and the Solitaire and I've been playing them.

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm like these could have just been in one cart. Why are these all split up?

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Trying to see what else. Oh Jurassic Park, which was pretty cool. Bill heard me beat that the other day.

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_00]: That was the best call ever on a, I'm on a treadmill, Matt's playing Fable and you were playing Game Gear.

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Game Gear and then I started talking about the woke game list that I found or the Dre found and I was passing along.

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I do have a game that you'd probably like, a GP writer. It's like a motorcycle racing game.

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not bad. It's actually not too bad. And me being me, I have Echo.

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_02]: So if you guys haven't yet go over to the Superpod Network and read my blog on Echo the Dolphin Defender of the Future for the Dreamcast.

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I do a whole thing on it. It's pretty long, but any time I write an article, it's going to be long.

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Nice. And I was talking to somebody on Twitter called I think it was Insane Mega CD Facts about the 3DO.

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Like we started talking about this day reference, I think it was like the Gold Star one.

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I was telling him about how like unreliable it is and I guess their FC1 just there.

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't read discs. So I think their lasers crapped out, but FC1s tend to go after a while.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. That's what I told them. Like if you don't want to do that, just get a Japanese FC10.

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_02]: They're pretty cheap and you'll be fine. But you know, maybe they're listening. I don't know.

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe. I mean at some point I really want once the OEDs get kind of more

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Omin and like usable for 3DO. I really want to put one in my FC1 just because I love the FC1, but it's just my disc drive is definitely going.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Like it's aesthetically the coolest looking of the bunch, but it is the least reliable.

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I think Kate Casey. Yeah. What was you going to say?

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_00]: So I think our friend of the show, Casey, he referred to it as the Castle Console, which kind of...

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I could see that. They're apparently the second most unreliable ones.

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's the Gold Star that are worse. The Gold Stars were unreliable from the get-go.

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_00]: The FC1s are actually... They're arguably the best builds, but the lasers were the Gen 1 lasers.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_00]: So they can to crap out the quickest. Yeah.

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Basically all the moving parts and shit just kind of like after a while they start to go.

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_02]: It's unfortunate. It's kind of the same thing with the game gear because when the game gear was around,

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_02]: that's when bad capacitors were really running wild.

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's why if you try to buy a game gear most likely it either doesn't work or it's been...

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_02]: The capacitors have been swapped out so it actually works.

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Or as they like to say recapped, that's what they say in the streets.

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's the issue with the game gear is really the hardware is sort of the barrier of entry.

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Once you get that figured out, you're kind of good to go.

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. Because games are cheap for the most part.

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. There are some that have gotten expensive, but it's not terrible.

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_00]: See people give them crap nowadays just because Game Boy was such an unstoppable force.

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean it was.

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. But Sega made some really awesome handhelds.

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Like the game gear is a very solid machine.

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I just think its screen isn't the best. Somebody who spent more time with it.

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_02]: The screen isn't great, but it's usable.

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just I'm constantly altering the brightness depending on where I'm sitting and if I have any natural light coming in and all that.

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And it does strain the eyes a little bit, but...

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_00]: It has a good ghosting issue. Ghosting is pretty common.

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh God. Yeah. That's very apparent.

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_02]: But you kind of get used to it as you go along.

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, the battery life was terrible on it at the time. Everybody knows that.

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah. Like I mean if I was around at the time, I would have had a game gear because that's just me.

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And I would have had batteries in it to say like, you know, if I was still in high school, I would have it for that.

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_02]: But then when I'd come home, I just plug in the wall. Just play.

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_02]: You know?

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I think with retro handhelds, most people just plug them in at this point because it's just so easier.

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. Can you plug in a Game Boy?

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_00]: You can plug in the originals.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_00]: There are DC ins on the color and stuff, but I don't know what adapter they use because it isn't like a convenient one like you can with most of the other ones.

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. And I know by the GBA, any of those are proprietary so you can't just get it or whatever.

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean to be fair with my game gear, it takes that DC 9 volt.

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's that really specific size.

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Thankfully, it's the same one as the Genesis slash Master System.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. And the guy I bought it from, he gave me a DC 9 to USB for this guy so I can just plug him in, which was very nice. Very, very nifty.

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_02]: So thank you all on that whoever. I can't remember the name of the guy who sold it to me, but thank you.

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_00]: My favorite one is the Neo Geo Pocket Color because the power cord I have for that thing is from like some kids play toy thing.

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_00]: It just happens to work.

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, if it works, it works.

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I was like looking for like a proper adapter at like a second hand store and the exact one that like Neo Geo Pocket Color needed.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I found one but it was like, it was like some Fisher price thing. I'm like, yeah, it works.

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Finally enough, I'm looking at the guy I bought the game gear from. His name is Sean Solo and the only thing on his store front is another game gear like the exact one but he is charging way more for it than I bought.

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I got mine barely on a deal. So he's charging a bit more for this one, but he does good work.

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_02]: But that's kind of the issue with the game gear. If you get a re if you buy a recapped one, it's about one like somewhere between 100 and 140 ish bucks.

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_02]: If you want to do IPS screen that bumps at like $300.

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, my like IPS screens aren't even that expensive. It might just be it's a very specific size.

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_00]: It's all it's done. It's the labor takes a bit of work.

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Yeah. So I like if you're willing to put up with that screen, you know, get it get a recap to one pay a little more for it and you'll and you'll make it up on the back end with the games because there's a lot like even the pricier games are like like 40 bucks, which isn't terrible.

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I've been, you know, I'm hunting down my best to see where the more pricier ones and and I'm noticing like retro stores. A lot of them are kind of varied.

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Like there's one I went to where it's like the guy knows what he has. So he kind of ups everything decent amount. There's one that is pretty good on prices.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_02]: So they're like within kind of price charting range, but you know that they're all they all make sense.

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I went to another one that I don't think they really knew. So a lot of them were just like really, really cheap.

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah. I've noticed. Awesome. Those are my favorite.

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I've noticed with a lot of stores like game gear stuff sells so infrequently that a lot of the times they don't even give a shit and they'll just like price them at like barely anything just in Kate just to get rid of them because nobody like ever comes in.

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I've noticed a lot. Yeah, yeah. There's one of those stores has a really good copy of a super return of the return of the Jedi, which had a game gear port for some fucking reason.

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And there I think they're asking about 25 maybe 30 for it. So I'm probably going to go back there and grab that one because there's another one.

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_02]: The other store that knows what they have there. They have like 60 bucks.

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_02]: 60 bucks. You ain't DK oldies. Get out of here. Yeah. I mean, I've been considered what with DK oldies.

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I remember I bought a bunch of like cheap ass GBA games from them that weren't worth anything and they were fine.

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_02]: So I might do that again with them, but like it like the real cheapy game gear games aren't really worth anything and they'll probably be fine.

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. You know, so like like DK oldies basically if you if you want a full a complete collection of a particular console and that has some dirt cheap games get those from them.

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Get the dirt cheap ones. Anything that's like worth anything. Don't bother at all.

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's more the consoles than anything because they don't have consoles at all.

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. The prices they have for like game gears as well is ridiculous. Like they want like 230 for one and there was no guarantee that it's recapped or been cleaned up in any way.

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, do not buy a game gear from them. But but if you want World Series Baseball for two bucks, that's about right. Go for that, which I have.

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Where is it? Where is it? There he is.

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_02]: But anyways, we're not here to talk about fucking Sega for a third goddamn week in a row.

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Nope. No, I will be bringing them up again later.

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, because they can gently related to the topic of this game.

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_00]: A little bit, a little bit.

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_00]: So we had mentioned it in the previous two episodes, but for this episode, we're actually going to be talking about.

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Demolition man.

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_02]: This was at my request. Now, as you can see, I have the long box, which is basically just the movie poster and yours is like the cropped version of the movie poster, but it's the same image.

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I got, you know, I'm actually kind of interested because I have a feeling this jewel case is just a jewel case that they found because your version there.

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty sure the manual, they just took that manual stuck it in a jewel case because there's no back or anything.

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a there's a few CD only or dual case only 3DO games I have that are like the exact same thing.

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's probably what they did because my guess is the long box just probably wore out.

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_02]: But as you can see for the audio listeners, I have the long box of demolition man and it is one of those kind of clamshell designs where there's the little spot in the center for you to open it.

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And then the disc sits in like this weird sort of like plastic center thing. It's similar to was a Jurassic Park interactive that had this.

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Jurassic Park and way the excuse me way of the warrior.

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, they had this kind of design to him, which is nice. It's a shame this part is blank.

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_02]: This ain't a PS5 game. Let me see something.

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_02]: But but this is like this long box I have is a very good quality.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Like you can tell this was like the corners are clean, like there's no scuffs on it.

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_02]: So whoever had this took really, really nice care of it.

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's very much the it's like the cheaper variation of like the nice like E.A. style like clamshell ones.

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Those tend to wear out faster, I think than these guys.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Like they need a little bit more work to keep them clean. But I mean, I like how it looks.

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And also I like the poster for demolition man.

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is cool. It's an iconic image.

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_02]: It is because because obviously this is based on the movie that was released in 1993 that was sort of seen as a sort of a comeback of bits for Mr. Sylvester Stallone.

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Because the late 80s he was struggling a bit.

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I think it was after Rocky Four is when his career like we got like Cobra.

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was a shoot.

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was Rocky five was the one that was really bad.

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Rocky Four was like the like it was after Rocky Four.

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_02]: His career started to lag is what I meant.

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Rocky Five.

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not it is the worst of the bunch.

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't think it's as bad as some people make it out to be.

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, that's a whole other topic.

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_02]: But as I was saying based on the movie.

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_02]: So for funsies on the three day weekend, I actually watched the movie.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you've ever if you've ever seen the movie.

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I've seen it but it's been a long time.

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, I should have watched it this weekend.

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I just was doing a lot of shit before I had seen it in like clips.

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, just kind of little bits over the years.

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_02]: But for this, I was like, you know what?

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Let me just sit down and watch it.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I have the free time.

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_02]: So I did.

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And my opinion on the movie that could be it's a whole other podcast,

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I think because there's a lot to say about the movie because it's

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_02]: definitely one of the better Sylvester Stallone movies.

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not one of my personal favorites.

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Like honestly, I'd rather watch like over the top.

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you've ever seen that one.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_02]: That one's it's like the weird one where he's like an arm wrestling

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_02]: like competition like that that movie is kind of awesome in its own weird way.

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_02]: But demolition man, it has a legacy to it.

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of that is just like how the movie like predicted the future.

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm using heavy quotes with that because there are certain things about it

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_02]: that are very interesting with like then no physical contact and like the VR

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_02]: sex scene and some other like weird stuff in there.

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And the infamous three seashells.

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_02]: My favorite scene in the movie.

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey guys, you don't know about the three seashells,

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_02]: which is like weirdly enough.

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_02]: This movie's legacy is people going what the hell are the three seashells?

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And there's many different theories, some more gross than others.

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Personally, I think it's probably just like a bidet thing.

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Like they're just three buttons for a bidet and they're not marked because

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_02]: like I mean a toilet's not marked.

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_02]: A sink's not marked like you go in a bathroom, you just know what they are kind of thing.

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know that'd be my guess.

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure but it's a weird movie.

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Like but I think Stallone does an OK job.

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Wesley Snipes is hamming it up.

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_02]: You can tell he's having a good time, but really the standout performance was Sandra Bullock.

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I fucking loved her in this movie.

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_02]: It was so good.

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Like just how she was able to be that sort of naive, you know, like futuristic cop who has an obsession with the 20th century.

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_02]: But now that it's like right in front of her face, she doesn't really know how to handle it.

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And her like dealing with the language, like when they go down the sewer and she just says, hey, let's blow this guy.

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And Stallone has to say, no, let's like blow him up or whatever.

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I still love it.

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Like she killed it.

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Like honestly, it's my favorite performance of hers that I've seen.

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And I've seen, I've watched Miss Congeniality more than I think people would assume.

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I've seen stuff like.

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Wasn't she in? Yeah, she was in the blind side and and all that.

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_00]: That was how she got her Emmy.

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, her Academy Award.

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Her Oscar Emmys are for TV.

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, her performance in the blind side is phenomenal.

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, but unfortunately, that movie's kind of been tainted now, but we don't we don't have to get you that.

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, but I loved her in this and just it's a movie that it succeeds in having really great world building.

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And really like that's what makes really good sci-fi work is that sort of world building and establishing the rules, you know, even if they're kind of inconsistent because it's a 90s action movie.

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Certain things that they keep up with are really cool, like the Taco Bell stuff is great.

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Though for some reason the version of the movie I watched overdubbed Pete or overdubbed Taco Bell with Pizza Hut.

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea why legitimately no idea why, but I know it was Taco Bell.

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_02]: If somebody knows why that might be like a rights thing, but still why have one over the other?

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I think Taco Bell is a better fit anyways.

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, Lord knows it wouldn't mind a burrito, but I don't know.

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I could go on about the movie, but I think it's a very solid action flick.

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And was a big success at the time. It's better than Cliffhanger.

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do love the scene though like the resolution to the three seashells where he finds the machine that prints out the tickets every time he swears.

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_00]: So he just swears at the machine until he gets a bunch of tickets.

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, yep, I'll see you in a minute.

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And then like the final line in the movie when he's walking away with Sandra Bullock, he's like, so what exactly are the three seashells?

[00:19:19] Yeah.

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I never know.

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. So it's definitely a movie that's worth watching if you're curious to it.

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_02]: If you have a fondness for science fiction and just over the top 90s action films where there's a lot of like.

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, fuck who directed a Schumacher?

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_02]: It has like a Joe Schumacher vibe with like some of the futuristic sets and lighting and kind of like the godliness of it.

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's not over the top like say like Batman forever.

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, but if you have it, if you have an appreciation for that, but you know, want to see Sylvester Sloan beat the shit out of Wesley Snipes.

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_02]: It's worth watching. It was a fun movie.

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not either guy's best performance, but it was solid.

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_00]: See when I think cheesy 90s action, it is like for some reason the two movies that always come to mind are this one or which is the good movie.

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_00]: And then when I think of the bad cheesy 90s movie, I always think of that.

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_00]: That damn movie Hulk Hogan was in the thunder and paradise.

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_02]: No, that was a TV show.

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_00]: The one it was like him in Christopher Lloyd, I think.

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Suburban Commando Suburban Commando.

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I pulled that out of my ass.

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_00]: The only reason I remember that goddamn movie is the famous like I was frozen today.

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like that and just Hulk Hogan.

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Christopher Lloyd carries that movie on his shoulders.

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_02]: He's so good.

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Hulk Hogan is not a great person in general.

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Fair.

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I actually saw something about him today.

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_02]: It was related to him talking about Chris Benoit.

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess it was like they were saying like, you know, oh, people have said a lot of like bad things about you.

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, Oh, what do they know?

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_02]: They've forgiven Chris Benoit.

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, and now.

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Different situation.

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_02]: There are people who will never forgive Chris Benoit for what he did.

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And there are people who just flat out never cared in the first place.

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's it.

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_02]: So but we're not here to debate that.

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_02]: So back to demolition man, it was a great movie.

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And of course, like every big movie at the time, it had a video game tie in.

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And it felt like this was the era where the video game tie in for a movie.

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_02]: They were trying to make it like a big deal.

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Because you had around the same time, like the Aladdin and Lion King games, like Disney was able to make the tie in video game have prestige to it, like releasing them around the same time.

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And having like them being able to be representations of the movie in a video game form with like the animation and the graphics being very on par.

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And doing big business, you know, it would make sense.

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's why there's like a true lies game.

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_02]: So those Terminator games and demolition man.

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_02]: There was the version that was on the Super Nintendo Sega Genesis and Sega CD.

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no game Gearport, unfortunately true lies as a game Gearport.

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_02]: But I played a little bit of the Genesis version of demolition man.

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_02]: It has not been requested for the stream yet.

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_02]: So if you want me to play on stream, let me know.

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's honestly the Genesis version.

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not bad.

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not bad.

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_02]: It reminds me of the Sega CD Terminator game.

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_02]: It kind of has a similar vibe to I don't think it was the same dev team, but it has a very similar style to it.

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, for a game published by Acclaim, it's a lot better than it has any right to be.

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the company that made that is a company called like Alexandria.

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I've never heard of anything they made before.

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even they don't have a Wikipedia page.

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, so that that kind of shows you.

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_02]: But there was that version, which is pretty solid.

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a forgotten game of that era, which I get why.

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Ironically, that was made by Virgin, the Terminator Sega CD game.

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which is a great game.

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_02]: But Virgin instead, they made the 3D version, which they could have easily had just done the 16 bit version.

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_02]: But added in like say FM cutscenes between everything.

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. Like that's what they like the Terminator game on Sega CD.

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what it is. It's a 2D action game that has bad FMV from the movies kind of spliced in, right?

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Like just bad in terms of the quality.

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_02]: This is a completely different beast.

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_02]: This feels like they're really trying to push the idea of the game where you play the movie because that's what demolition man on 3DO is.

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_00]: The way I this is a bit of a this isn't a perfect comparison, but the way I thought of this was this is like Jurassic Park interactive if it was better thought out and a bit more consistent.

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Like Jurassic Park interactive just felt like a cheap quick cash in on the franchise where it feels like the 3DO version of demolition man is actually trying to be like it felt like the game.

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_02]: This was given the same kind of care that the movie was, you know, and maybe it was almost an experiment of let's see what happens if we try to make a video game like tie in that is very close to like interacting with the movie because we have a system that can pull it off.

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And because I mean they like sly and Wesley Snipes both appear in this game, like making new footage to splice in because you have the FMVs from the movie which actually are like decent quality.

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_00]: 3DO had surprisingly decent FMVs for the time.

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but some games have been better than others.

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I think this game might be the best FMVs we've seen in terms of like the video quality.

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_00]: It's either this or like Wing Commander.

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like they're both really, really well done.

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And like this is just like splicing in a lot of the movie scenes in there.

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_02]: But like it feels like they went out of their way to be sure they were like really solid quality and they are and then they splice them in within the new footage of say Sylvester Sloan, Wesley Snipes.

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I think even Jesse Ventura shows up as one of the henchmen in those levels, which because he has like a random appearance in this movie.

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Like what like when Wesley goes down into the sewers to take out like Edgar Friendly and the underground people like Jesse Ventura just shows up and he doesn't ever really say anything.

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_02]: He does shoot the like the leader.

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's cool.

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_02]: That was a weird appearance from him in this movie.

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I found really interesting?

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_00]: They had the budget to get Stallone and Snipes.

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_00]: They had like the full on like big production soundtrack, but they couldn't get the rights to the sets because you'll notice right away like a lot of the FMVs, the ones made for the game are very clearly green screened.

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I think that was planned.

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Probably it doesn't look bad.

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean for 90 standards, it doesn't look bad.

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean nowadays it looks cheesy as fuck, but I kind of like that.

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think how it is is that like film sets are never really preserved.

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Like they're just kind of destroyed and they move on to the next one.

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_00]: So my guess is on the show.

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_02]: But my guess is that's probably what happened here because the movie came out in October 8th 1993 and then this came out sometime in 1995.

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_02]: So even if they were working on it roughly at the same time, my guess is they probably weren't able to like take advantage of say the film sets.

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Because you know, you never know like the budget and the time constraints they were on like actually making the movie.

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And then they probably had to go back afterwards.

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's different from say like the Lion King game where that was kind of being made at the same time as the movie.

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_02]: True.

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's why I was able to come out so close to the movies release.

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, the on Genesis Super Nintendo, the game here and other consoles, right?

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Whereas I think this doesn't have that same luxury to because it's a live action thing.

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_02]: But you can tell they really tried to make it as close as they could.

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think they did a pretty good job with it.

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Like the other thing that I noticed right away that like really gave me a great appreciation for the effort at the very least was you watch Stallone and Snipes like throughout this thing.

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_00]: They legitimately look like they're having a great time like hamming it up, like just getting into it.

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Like there were a few points where I thought Stallone was going to like break out into laughter and say what he was doing.

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because well, because Snipes is just being how he was in the movie, which is like a very over the top, like kind of like a Joker-esque type character where it's like he's just he just likes to cause chaos and destruction.

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_02]: That's really that's really the only character development we have with the Simon Phoenix.

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like if this movie was made now they would have him as like some like tragic hero or whatever or some tragic villain or whatever.

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like fuck that he's just he just likes to cause chaos.

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And I guess a fun fact is his haircut in the movie inspired Dennis Rodman to have his hair the exact same way at the time, which is funny because as soon as the filming was done, Wesley shaved it off because he hated it.

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I mean, I look at that.

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, stupid.

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_00]: So like one of my favorites is because of the green screen, a lot of the scenes are very clearly you can you can tell if you're watching closely, like I love the scenes where Stallone's running because you can tell he's clearly just running in place.

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, he's just jogging.

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, great.

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think nowadays when they do green screen and it's running, they just put them on like a green treadmill and just have them run so it looks cleaner.

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_02]: They probably didn't have that technology at the time or maybe they just weren't thinking about it at the time.

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the treadmills existed in 1994, but like they did.

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_00]: But I considering Virgin at the time, I guarantee they kind of just were like, yeah, good enough.

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it's funny to see him.

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like fake run and you know, and you can tell like slide.

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't look like he's half-assing it like he looks like he's legitimately having a good time.

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like he's like, yeah, let's make this work.

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think Wesley's having a great time per usual.

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_00]: They definitely don't feel like they're phoning it in.

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Not at all. And yeah, they were and as you said, they were able to get the soundtrack from the movie, which is really cool.

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Original songs.

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_02]: No, go ahead.

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_00]: The original songs were actually supposedly composed because we've learned a bit about the guy by Tommy Tallarico.

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, who's also on the Terminator Sega CD game.

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I think he worked for Virgin at the time.

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think he did.

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, he was also involved, I believe in the Aladdin game as well.

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think he did the soundtrack for that.

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So making sense.

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_02]: But but anyways, so it's weird because we all associate this as a 3DO game because it only ever released on the 3DO, but it was planned to be on the Jaguar CD and the PlayStation.

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_02]: But those fell through my guess.

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_02]: The Jaguar CD version fell through because of the Jaguar CD and probably the PlayStation one it fell through because even though demolition man was a big success at the time, it didn't really.

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_02]: It didn't have that kind of tale that like some other action movies would have had at the time, you know what I mean?

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it did really well and I think it has more reverence for it now.

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know, I honestly did not learn about the movie or even this game until the the Spoonie review.

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Because Spoonie reviewed this game many years ago and that's how I know this is from that.

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I even rewatched that review and it's still a solid review from him.

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, it's a lot of what he says is pretty accurate to the game itself because like the production value is very high.

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_02]: The and it's a very ambitious game.

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if it ever necessarily really hits at what it's trying to do, but it's definitely a memorable experience.

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_00]: The way I kind of described this game while playing it was it is very much a jack of all trades, but a master of none.

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Like it does everything very well in the sense that it's playable, but there are much better representations of all the different play styles.

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_00]: It's trying to do on the system.

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Is the way I kind of put it?

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a very early example of a game trying to have like a cinematic presentation to it.

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And we've played some other games on the system that have attempted the same thing.

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think we can say this is one of the best representations of that.

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And it almost feels like this was meant to be a marquee title for the video because it feels like this was a big deal for the console and they were going to really try to push this as like almost like a killer app type of thing, especially because the other versions didn't really happen.

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know if it ever really was going to be that, but you know, I think it does an OK job at that, I'd say it definitely.

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_00]: It's ambitious in the sense that they really tried in everything.

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I can't 100% say it succeeded in every aspect, but it also didn't really fail.

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_00]: No, that makes sense.

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so there are four different types of genres here.

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_02]: There is like like light gun, like like on route like gallery gun type shooting levels.

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Very close to say area 51.

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, like kind of the set best the closest similarity I can think of.

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. And the game apparently does support the light gun, but I don't have the light gun.

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think you have like an either.

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, doesn't work on modern TVs and regardless either way, but exactly for the time.

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it was probably cool.

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_02]: But we have those.

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_02]: We have a couple one-on-one fighting segments which feel well, we'll get to them.

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_02]: There are two just straight up first person shooter levels.

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And then there is one like driving stage and it all covers like the main bits in the movie.

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_02]: So like the opening scene in the Stope in Future of 1996 where where Stallone goes into the building to get snipes and he has the hostages and the whole thing blows up like you get that whole sequence.

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And then they give you a nice long cut scene of Spartan and Phoenix going under cryo freezing.

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And then we have to do a big cut because there's a lot of dialogue at that point too when a Spartan is unthought and it goes to the museum and then there's that segment.

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And then it cuts to I believe when they go down into the sewers and then when they come out of the sewers and chase them down and then it ends in the cryo prison.

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_02]: So you get all the main action set pieces.

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_02]: The only things that are churnicated are like the excess dialogue scenes, you know, like establishing the future characters, the Taco Bell scene.

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Sadly there's no scene in the Taco Bell stuff.

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_02]: The VR sex scene is cut.

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Damn it.

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is a weird scene.

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like if y'all haven't seen it please like if you need to see a scene from this see that because it is very interesting.

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_00]: It's ready player one before ready player one in a sense.

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And sort of like the interactions around that whole scene as well.

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_02]: It feels a little too close to home in some ways.

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, that is with that with that.

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So you get all the main bits and so the shooting segments I think we can agree are probably the best.

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_00]: They are the best.

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I will say I wish I had the light gun because I would love to try out the light gun on these scenes.

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I would have been no time crisis, but I think it would have done better justice to these scenes.

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_02]: But like playing them with just the standard d-pad isn't really that bad.

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_02]: It's definitely better than not.

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_02]: If you get really good you can like 100% accuracy as every enemy goes down in one hit.

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_02]: So if you memorize the scene you can very easily just you know, easily just time where your bullets are going to go.

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_02]: It does give you some bullshit later on.

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_00]: The one criticism I have for this game is it does not explain things well all the time.

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_02]: No, no it doesn't explain anything in terms of like the controls.

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Like considering it's jumping around all these genres you think it would try to be a little bit more beginner friendly in certain circumstances but it never really is.

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a specific like the shooter segments I think do a decent job because like the first one is like really really easy and you can just kind of figure it out.

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's definitely a game if you've been playing video games you can kind of figure it out but if you don't know what you're doing you're going to be completely fucked here.

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh did you mess around with the difficulty settings?

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I did. As far as I know all they do is they change the amount of lives and continues you have.

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Did you get the awesome dialogue options that pop up?

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh when you die.

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Well when you choose your...

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I forgot to mention there's a lot of like they got Stallone to talk.

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_02]: He talks a lot.

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Like when you pick challenging modes he goes like oh what are you trying to do? Replace me?

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And then when you go easy he's just like you suck.

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not even like a comic or it's just straight up and going you suck.

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And then you do normal and he's like yeah.

[00:36:58] Yeah.

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_02]: It's great. Yeah you get like the continues and when if you choose to continue they just have a clip of Wesley from the movie when he goes oh I'm so scared.

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_02]: But then if you game over they got Stallone to say a bunch of random things to you at game over.

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_02]: The Spoonie video is a good example where you see a bunch of random ones where like there's a quote from the movie where he does the Luke Skywalker use the force.

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's a quote from the movie that he quotes Star Wars of these people.

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And then like the one who's like good but I would say it's horrible yet terrible.

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Ugly yet disgusting.

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_02]: You suck.

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Like all the random there's a couple of other random ones in there but those are very entertaining.

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I miss the old days of gaming where whenever you lost the game would shit talk to you.

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and then it's like and then when you leave it's like the film just kind of splits like it melts and then you just people laughing at you.

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like it is a weird experience but it kind of adds to the vibe of the game overall.

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_00]: It takes full advantage of what 3DO has to offer and I really kind of like that.

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_02]: It's one of the few games we've played that does kind of embrace everything about the 3DO and I think it's one of the few that does like a pretty decent job at it.

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Even if the core game isn't all that great there's so much around it that is like really cool that it kind of makes worth dealing with all of it because yeah the game I think is way too hard.

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_00]: It's yeah it's it's very thank God the password system is very exploitable like the game doesn't have this.

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's weird the memory the system memory will save your high scores but it doesn't save your progress instead it gives you passwords.

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Which is okay sure it's one of those weird things that I mean in hindsight it's actually kind of nice because you can skip levels but yes.

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a very nice level select code so it's like when you start the first like the first level if you do a specific button combination then you just have an option to go to whatever level basically whenever which I was able to beat the first two chapters raw.

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_02]: You know because like the light gun stages once you play them enough you kind of learn where everything is in the patterns which isn't really too bad.

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the fighting sequences that are just the fucking worst there because they're ridiculously the game grinds to a halt and I mean like frame rate wise it is so slow the inputs are super fucking delayed and it's trying to have like a Mortal Kombat style like fighting control but it's not very intuitive and I feel like the game read much like Mortal

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Kombat I feel like the game reads your inputs so you can't even really it's hard to exploit but even if you try to mix it up it still is it's tough I was able to beat him a couple times bear.

[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what my but it takes a lot of trial and error like what I found works the best was I would like creep up to him as best as I could just do a normal kick like one or two and then either do a sweep or an uppercut.

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and when I would just repeat that I would block as well because I think it's if you time the blocks you can do a counter attack which is feasible but a purely defensive strategy isn't going to work.

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_02]: So basically the best thing is just like when you get in close just hold like your standard block so there's a good chance I'll just do like one that you know with that and then you can do your attack pattern it's not 100% but it had the highest success rate of all the fighting sequences.

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the way I best describe it is it's like you're playing a more streamlined version of Mortal Kombat without any of the finesse that makes Mortal Kombat fun.

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah basically yeah there's no special moves there's no combos but like but again it's like the really bad controls and the really bad input delay makes it just not entertaining at all.

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I noticed the first one with the fire background significantly controlled worse than the later ones.

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, absolutely.

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_00]: The 3D couldn't handle the fire effect that is my theory.

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah you're probably right because that one is it's not the hardest but it's probably it's the second hardest one like really enough the easiest one is the one in the museum.

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Or no the cryo prison one was the final fight scene was the easy I beat it first try.

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_00]: It was weird because I was like oh my god these are terrible and then I went to the later ones I'm like oh they're actually not as bad as I remember and I had to go back and I'm like, I think it's the fire effect that's causing this because it was like.

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_02]: It had to be yeah because there's a lot going on in that like because the scene in the movie is like a really cool fight scene but like here it just you know it's not it's not the same.

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah it's like it's a neat it's a neat idea but it just again it just really doesn't you know figure itself out and.

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Ironically the closest other thing on 3D out to this is way of the warrior and I'm not sure if it's better or not.

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_02]: It's better than way of the warrior you're not going to get me to say anything nice about that game it's never gonna happen.

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_02]: It's never gonna happen anyways I mean if way of the warrior had a Wesley Snipes and so us or Salon taking turns, neighing each other in the NADS then yeah but.

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just got Jason Rubin and his friends to film in a porno.

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah but but the there's one fight scene that coalesces with the driving because there's that scene where they drive like the really like the olds mobile to capture to get after Simon Phoenix in the future police car and then.

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And then they meet up and then they fight on the cars right like in the movie like really cool scene and here they try to replicate that so the driving sequence is.

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_00]: So.

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Not great.

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_00]: So I was trying to think of a comparison like because we played so ironically driving games are one of the things we've played quite a few of on 3DO and we played some really good ones and we played some bad ones I found this closer to like say crashing burn then any of the ea games we've played.

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah there's more going on and crashing burn but to be fair this is just like you're driving in a straight line.

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_02]: You're just using the shoulder buttons to avoid traffic.

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_02]: You're trying to catch up to Simon before your gas runs out why is there a gas meter I have no fucking idea it doesn't play into the movie at all.

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_00]: So I did notice this is something that's very easy to miss on some of the paths there are these really specific like lanes that you can travel in.

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_00]: And certain ones will speed your car up but the other ones replenish your gas and it's very easy to miss those.

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah I know what you're talking about.

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I had to look it up because I couldn't fucking do it and I was like what I'm like I don't get it what am I missing here at someone pointed it's like starting paths will replenish your gas and I was like oh you kind of have to choose between speed or gas.

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_02]: That is weird but if you're able to make it to Simon before your gas runs out and you die you just start right back at that point and you have full gas so.

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But the fight scene with the two cars is easily the worst one it's fucking atrocious because you can't hop between the cars so you're just at the edge of your car and he's at the edge of his car right.

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And in the Spoony video you see him it's like he just constantly is sweeping the leg and it's working.

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I tried that and it worked about half the time I was never able to beat this fight.

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And that was me trying like all the different strategies I had it was just for some reason this one was just the hardest one and I just couldn't get it which really pissed me off but thankfully with that level select code I was able to jump around so I could actually see everything which is really nice.

[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_02]: But but we have the two first person shooter segments.

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_02]: So very recently we played a game called escape from monster manor which this game makes like fucking P. O. look like escape from monster banner.

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that they when I was playing this I was like oh I wish we didn't just play that because it makes we've essentially seen like perfection of a first person shooter on the 3DO with monster manner and biofury to extent as well like I showed up to retro love life.

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_00]: And then he made a really awesome engine.

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was talking about that too.

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_00]: But because we've already experienced those when I got to these I was just like it's fine but it's also like the most bare bones generic Wolfenstein style first person shooter ever.

[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_02]: The problem I had with it was I mean it's funny to like you don't have to worry about ammo anymore or like really never had to worry about ammo but like reloading and all the enemies go down in one hit so you can like hide behind a corner and just like.

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Knock out like dozens of enemies just by doing nothing it's kind of entertaining the issues come in with like the little radar that they give you.

[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_02]: You can barely fucking see anything on it and it doesn't give you like a map or sort of any indication because both the sewer and the crap isn't their complete mazes where the whole goal is to try to get to the end of the maze but Simon Phoenix is in that maze and you're not supposed to fight him even though that chasing him which doesn't make any sense.

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean you're not going to kill me off I tried killing him and you can't kill him he's invincible.

[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly so the best strategy I found was when you find Simon just kind of hang behind him and just follow him.

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah that's because he's heading toward the exit anyways so with it being like these like dark mazes where you can't really see anything there's no real discernible markers there's no way to really know where you are other than just like occasionally seeing different enemies or whatever it's so easy to get lost.

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And they're just so poorly designed like it's easily the worst part of the game like you don't control very well at all and it's just just a really lazy bad like Wolfenstein 3D thing that just never really makes itself work and I could have just been my TV but they were way too fucking dark.

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't see shit half the time.

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I cranked up the brightness a little bit when I was playing.

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well my TV it's kind of weird with that with the brightness so I couldn't just like crank it up but it was horrible but with the sewers if you just if you find Simon hang behind him occasionally shoot people when you have to you'll eventually find the exit and he'll go through it first but you'll be fine you can just go right through and be fine in the crowd prison was basically the same thing but it's a bit longer and a little bit more annoying.

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I noticed, because I compared this to Jurassic Park interactive. Ironically the weakest aspect of both is the first person shooter segments.

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah. But at least with this one it was more entertaining than the one in Jurassic Park interactive like that one was just a fail like a great idea that completely failed.

[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_00]: That was straight a straight line with a dinosaur that would jump scare you every time then.

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, whereas this was just like an average idea that just never really works it's not like being able to mow down henchmen like it's nothing kind of makes up for it because that's fun.

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's just again without the level select code I never would have saw everything in this game because the difficulty curve is all over the place.

[00:48:25] [SPEAKER_02]: You know something like hell even in the museum right when you're chasing after Simon you know to quote the Spoonie movie.

[00:48:32] [SPEAKER_02]: It's this little game called what the fuck am I supposed to shoot. You know where's like at first he's hiding behind like the TNT is like oh yeah shoot the TNT.

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And then the second point he starts controlling a tank and then oh you got to shoot the tank but you got to keep shooting the tank because he'll eventually move halfway and start checking grenades but you still have to be shooting the tank even though the tank doesn't work anymore.

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And then when he gets behind the machine gun or whatever you try shooting all that stuff it doesn't work you have to shoot the bomb that's like with the plane.

[00:49:04] [SPEAKER_02]: That's like right there like the bomb will drop when he takes over for some reason you shoot that to blow it up and then that scares him off which doesn't make any goddamn sense.

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And then and then he hides behind the little podium right the little information thing where like in the movie he still on sees the this the sort of stalactite type lighting that you just sheet that and it breaks the glass right you're supposed to do that but you have to shoot the thing he's hiding behind to hit the control panel so it can lower far enough for you to shoot it.

[00:49:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is just such a video game ass way of extending a movie soon you know.

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah it's like come on guys come on.

[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_00]: It was it's really one of those things where it's kind of like it's not bad but it is a little kind of a convoluted yeah it's a bit convoluted yes yes so.

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And then and then when you beat the game there's also a bunch of different things of Stallone congratulating you for beating the game which is pretty cool.

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_02]: It's weird it has like a score like a high score system it must have just been left over because it's like this isn't an arcade game.

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_02]: High has arcade ideas but.

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah but score systems in games took a while to finally be phased out.

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and do you get extra lives at a certain point because I never got that I never got that many points.

[00:50:24] [SPEAKER_00]: You get continues I know that I don't think you get lives per se.

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even think you get that I don't think they're related to the points I think you just have to find them in the shooter segments.

[00:50:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay interesting you know I did not know that the light gun shooter segments that is because I found a few by just shooting stuff.

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay interesting but.

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah that's pretty much the entire game.

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah pretty much if I remember correctly this one the 3DO magazine award for best design.

[00:51:00] [SPEAKER_00]: This game got a lot of praise because I believe review wise I was looking at a few reviews most people praise did like they thought it was like a really like impressive game the fighting sections were heavily criticized which I mean fair enough.

[00:51:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Next generation gave it the worst review I saw which was two out of five stars.

[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_00]: With and they basically just complained that like.

[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing was really fully realized and that it was just kind of like a mediocre fest all around which I just think they didn't like it.

[00:51:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean I kind of agree it definitely is trying too much when it really should have just tried to.

[00:51:40] [SPEAKER_02]: It could have just been like say like the Genesis game where it was just like a run a gun shooter and it just does that one thing pretty well well it as a run a gun shooter there's also like overhead shooting segments in that game which I do not like at all they're kind of bad but the the side scrolling stuff I thought was solid.

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like I think.

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I think what helps this game the most is like the sheer amount of effort that was put into just making it a cohesive product.

[00:52:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah yeah like it's it's one of those where the hole is greater than some of its parts really like taking it as a as a complete package.

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_02]: It is a very unique experience that I don't think I've ever really had before like a game that's trying really hard to be the movie in as like a cutting edge 1995 way of trying to be like the movie you know what I mean.

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Whereas if they did this now it would be some completely different.

[00:52:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_02]: You know better like like in a way like say like Indiana Jones in the great circle right like that's not really a movie tie in but it's you know Italian to like a movie franchise and it's going to be kind of its own thing but it's probably going to be very cinematic right.

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_02]: But that's handled in a much different way than say this bad boy is but I think they're both trying to be the same thing which is sort of like a marquee like IP that a system can kind of hang its hat on.

[00:53:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_02]: No pun intended.

[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah other than that though I was looking at like production like obviously we talked about Tommy dollar Rico did the soundtrack.

[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't really recognize anyone else it feels like excuse me it was just kind of the standard fare over at a version at the time.

[00:53:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah pretty much.

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_02]: No nobody else stands out that much as some of those guys are still in the industry doing stuff you can find that out a few if you look at Moby games.

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know that stuff out.

[00:53:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah other than that though I love the the full motion video really carries this game like I feel like if the FMV sequences and like the the whole like cinematic production wasn't here it would probably.

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I think opinions wouldn't be exactly the same.

[00:53:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like honestly like I feel like this is one of those games that inherently I feel like has just gotten better with age because that whole style has become kind of like nostalgic in this modern day.

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would agree like in a lot of ways the 16 bit version of this game is the better game.

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think this is the more unique experience and I think that's what people like about this is that it's a very unique interesting way of making a movie tie in game.

[00:54:29] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean and it feels like almost the culmination of all those FMV games around this time that we're trying to be a cinematic experience.

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And this one just says oh well we'll just base this on an actual movie that came out so it can be comparable and I think it does a pretty decent job of being.

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_02]: That experience like better than some of the others we've played and then some of the others we will play.

[00:54:53] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean like it is unique and it's in a weird way one of the one of the games for the 3DO that is like is still unique to it that if you get a system and want to play the games for it it's kind of one you have to check out.

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that actually is a perfect segue. Must play okay stay away. I'm going to say must play.

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to say it's probably the worst game in the must play section like as a as a as a game. It's not all that great but it absolutely is a must play because if you are interested in the 3DO at all this is definitely one of the handful of titles that needs to be in your collection.

[00:55:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say it's the best game in them. It's the worst game in the must play segment aside from plumbers don't realize because that one's this plumbers even count as a game though it's a 3DO experience.

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly, which I think this game kind of is as well, although this is more of a game.

[00:55:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah. And this has a much better production value and actually has fucking FMV in it and you know, and all that but yeah, it's it's it's not the best game in the world like if we were to do the tier listing I'd probably throw it maybe in like a B.

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it is a yeah but it is an absolute must play it is well worth it's a it's well worth on that it's a bit expensive these days on 3DO this guy cost me is like 60 bucks or something like that but I don't work at the purses at all.

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_00]: The loose disc, Jule case variant, about 25 around what I paid so if you don't care if you don't care about the long box. It's not too bad.

[00:56:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it has been going up recently at least it costs. I've seen him cost more than when I bought mine. I know when I bought mine like a year ago maybe.

[00:56:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I know I'd have to look through it was one that when we started this I'm like we have to do this like this is when I was pushing for us to review, like for a long time so.

[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I'd always known it from the spoony video and that was like one of my early interactions with the 3DO itself. So once we got to this I'm like oh I have to kind of fulfill this part.

[00:57:16] [SPEAKER_02]: You know this this thing I always wanted to know which was you know this game wasn't it wasn't worth my time you know because because spoony was kind of mean to it I get why but.

[00:57:30] [SPEAKER_02]: You know if you're looking to get into the 3DO it definitely is worth your time.

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, actually what I see what I paid for it's about what it goes for nowadays so.

[00:57:41] [SPEAKER_00]: But on that note what should we play next time.

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Well I was pushing for this one so why don't you you pick one that you really want us to play.

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I know you don't own this one yet so I know there's not going to force you to pick it up but I kind of want to do Blade Force.

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Blade Force yeah let's do Blade Force.

[00:58:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, Blade Force I'm looking forward to because it is one of the ones that tries to actually showcase 3DO 3D.

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Whether it did it well or not we'll wait for the episode to describe.

[00:58:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I've only think I've even seen this game.

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's something it's one of the first three games I bought specifically because I wanted to actually see 3DO showcase 3D.

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah Blade Force is I think yeah let's do Blade Force.

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's do it.

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Alright and on that note everybody once again thank you for joining us on the 3DO experience the 3DO experience can be found on all the major podcasting platforms.

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[00:59:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Fine time the Elder Trolls Friday Night Gamecast remember 64 bar silence gaming together and those three GNC shows you know those but on another note you're streaming on Thursday.

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yes yes I streamed last Thursday people seem to have a good time and thankfully with my new job I'm back in full force so so we're doing it the VOD has been doing surprisingly well on YouTube I think it's almost I like.

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_02]: 40 views now just pretty cool.

[00:59:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Nice.

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah so I don't know what gave it the big boost but thanks everybody for watching it and maybe you should come into the stream and watch me play I'll be Thursday at 7pm.

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I have the next set of games picked up some I did pick a couple notable ones.

[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_02]: So and everybody please keep sending me the requests I need I want I want to see more games in the list because a lot of the games have been requested are like big names.

[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_02]: You know like obviously I've had all the streets of rages streets of rage games put in there but it's like I'm trying to hold off on doing some of the big ones you know play some of the obscure shit.

[01:00:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah yeah I want to play the weirder recommend me the weirder shit god damn it like a friend of mine did recommend some lesser known stuff.

[01:00:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So that'll be cool one game I'm really looking forward to playing but I'm waiting on that one.

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah yeah next week should be or this week should be some a nice variety of stuff so yeah maybe we should should get that going.

[01:00:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Nice and you can find that down at the link below twitch.tv slash thrac94 and if you'd like to find the previous VODs you can either go to thrac's YouTube channel or on the GNC podcast studios network.

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_00]: channel there is now a playlist of all of thrac's streams right down below underneath the partners the partner collaboration works sub.

[01:01:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Playlist folder thing YouTube channels are weird now but yep but but but if you want to keep up with the VOD subscribe hit the bell do all that bullshit so that you can see him when they come up usually they're they're up.

[01:01:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I finish up a stream and the first thing I do is download the VOD do a little bit of editing and then throw it in there so usually by Friday it's up.

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_02]: So you don't have to wait too much longer.

[01:01:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Nice but anyways guys on that note we will see you all later.

[01:01:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Bye bye.