Level 45 - The "Full Send" Robot on Wheels

[00:00:03] Welcome to Remember 64, where this week we're a unicycling robot.

[00:00:48] Welcome to the show everyone.

[00:00:49] My name is David Pietrangelo and I'm hopping and bopping my way across a strange circus-like

[00:00:54] land and building up as much speed as possible before I fall all the way down to the ground

[00:01:00] from this giant tower of weirdness or whatever this is.

[00:01:04] But there's no fall damage?

[00:01:05] Woohoo!

[00:01:06] Okay, here we go again.

[00:01:09] Jiggy, how's it going buddy?

[00:01:11] Welcome to the show sir.

[00:01:12] Hey, I'm here.

[00:01:15] You're here too.

[00:01:17] Jiggy look back back once again and if any of that made sense that I just said in any

[00:01:23] way whatsoever you may have guessed, may or may not have guessed that we are playing

[00:01:28] Rocket Robot on Wheels.

[00:01:31] It is the first game from Sucker Punch and if that name sounds familiar to you

[00:01:36] it is the creators of Sly Cooper, Infamous and most recently Ghosts of Tsushima.

[00:01:42] Today we are so graciously hosting Bill from the Gaming and Collecting podcast, the 3DO

[00:01:50] Experience and Geek Addicts.

[00:01:52] Bill, welcome back to Remember 64.

[00:01:55] Hey Dave, it's been a while.

[00:01:57] I think last time I was here we were talking about Resident Evil 2.

[00:02:00] It was Resident Evil 2.

[00:02:02] Oh that's the early days.

[00:02:03] Early days, yeah.

[00:02:05] Fun fact, I was the first guest of the show.

[00:02:08] You were.

[00:02:09] You're on level 2 and it is still one of the most popular episodes on the feed

[00:02:16] because it is just all about the knowledge of collecting, all about the

[00:02:21] sort of like weird world of collecting retro games and stuff like that.

[00:02:26] And I think when I started the show I said you know what this is a great

[00:02:29] way to just start things.

[00:02:31] You know, like this is something that people that might be listening to the show

[00:02:35] or the shows like it like yours, Bill, that are wondering like why is this

[00:02:39] stuff so goddamn expensive?

[00:02:41] Why is it so hard to find all that kind of stuff?

[00:02:43] And I think that is just like an evergreen situation for people in our

[00:02:47] shoes.

[00:02:48] So and I have said this one quote from that episode.

[00:02:52] It has stuck with me for almost two years at this point.

[00:02:54] I've told this to numerous people that when it comes down to it,

[00:03:00] everybody just wants their stuff back.

[00:03:02] And that is what you told me in that episode and it rings true every

[00:03:06] single day of our life.

[00:03:08] What's funny is like I re-listened that episode like a while back and I was

[00:03:12] like, you know, it's very still on pretty accurate to what's going on in

[00:03:16] the collecting scene.

[00:03:16] But I'm like, you know, in a lot of places it's much worse now than it

[00:03:20] was then.

[00:03:21] That's the crazy thing, right?

[00:03:22] That is that was only a year and a half ago and it still keeps

[00:03:26] spiraling in a lot of ways, right?

[00:03:28] So it's really crazy.

[00:03:30] It's it's just and it doesn't.

[00:03:32] And you know, we talked about a whole bunch of consoles.

[00:03:34] We talked about PlayStation, talked about Dreamcast, a bunch of stuff, right?

[00:03:38] This this is one of those games that might fall into that category

[00:03:41] that may have just kept spiraling in a way since then.

[00:03:44] So Rocket Robot on Wheels before we get into sort of talking

[00:03:49] about the game itself and, you know, some of the development

[00:03:53] and history of it kind of thing.

[00:03:56] We, you know, me and Jiggy were sort of discussing like, oh, what should we

[00:03:59] play next or whatever?

[00:04:00] This kind of came up on the list of games that I saw that, oh, we haven't

[00:04:03] covered this yet.

[00:04:04] And I've always kind of wanted to.

[00:04:05] Jiggy was doing another video of that he was working on

[00:04:09] on his YouTube page about it.

[00:04:11] And then once that came up, I was like, wait, I think I'm pretty sure

[00:04:16] Bill mentioned that this is like a game that's really close to his heart.

[00:04:19] I'm going to see if it is.

[00:04:21] I'm going to see if I'm right because I haven't talked to him for a little

[00:04:23] bit, but I just have this.

[00:04:25] I don't know why it's stuck in the back of my mind.

[00:04:26] Just like that quote, it's still stuck in the back of my mind.

[00:04:29] So I asked you and you said, yes, absolutely.

[00:04:31] This is that game.

[00:04:32] Why is it that game for you, Bill?

[00:04:34] Like what about this game?

[00:04:36] So as I mentioned, like way back in the day, like I didn't grow up

[00:04:40] with an N64.

[00:04:40] I was a PlayStation kid and PlayStation had a ton of their own

[00:04:48] exclusives for the time.

[00:04:49] And as we mentioned earlier, a lot of them were developed by

[00:04:52] Sucker Punch Productions and one in particular that was probably

[00:04:56] one of my favorite games as a kid was the Sly Cooper series, which to

[00:05:00] me are some of the finest platformers ever made.

[00:05:04] So when I finally got into N64 collecting around like 2010, I want

[00:05:09] to say when I got my N64, I remember I joked back then that I

[00:05:12] had man 64 for about like five months without any games because

[00:05:16] games were just so expensive and hard to find.

[00:05:18] Yeah.

[00:05:19] And I kind of grabbed the ones I could find.

[00:05:21] Like I got Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong 64.

[00:05:25] And then I was like, you know what?

[00:05:27] I love Sucker Punch and I know about that they made a game for N64

[00:05:31] that was their first game.

[00:05:32] And supposedly, even though nobody really talks about it, it's

[00:05:35] supposedly critically lauded as like one of the finest platformers

[00:05:38] on the N64.

[00:05:39] So I went out of my way.

[00:05:40] I found it.

[00:05:41] It was semi expensive at the time.

[00:05:43] It was like 30 bucks, which now is now is cheap.

[00:05:48] Yeah.

[00:05:49] What's funny is as a.

[00:05:51] So that was 2011 ish.

[00:05:52] I was still in.

[00:05:55] High school senior year, not senior year.

[00:05:58] God, I don't even remember what year it was, but I was still in high school.

[00:06:01] Didn't have a job.

[00:06:01] So money was not the easiest thing to come up across.

[00:06:05] So I had to save up for probably half a year.

[00:06:07] And then once I had the money put aside, I got that one and my N64

[00:06:11] collection started looking like a collection at that point.

[00:06:13] I had three games.

[00:06:14] So at least it wasn't just that.

[00:06:17] It wasn't a console sitting on a shelf that I couldn't even turn on

[00:06:19] because the N64 doesn't have a startup at all.

[00:06:22] Right.

[00:06:24] Like that the weirdest part about that was like, I own the thing

[00:06:27] and it turned on.

[00:06:28] I was like, it works, I think.

[00:06:30] I mean, I tell it because there's no way to know without a game.

[00:06:33] Right.

[00:06:34] Yeah, there's no way for it to.

[00:06:35] Yeah.

[00:06:35] Yeah.

[00:06:36] Yeah.

[00:06:36] The light turns on, but that's but it.

[00:06:39] Yeah.

[00:06:40] Thankfully, it worked.

[00:06:41] I still have it to this day, which is hilarious

[00:06:44] because N64s are not the easiest things to find anymore.

[00:06:46] I know, I know.

[00:06:47] I just went to a store yesterday and and and picked up a couple,

[00:06:51] you know, smaller purchases for a couple of small games.

[00:06:54] But not only are there only a couple compared to the Play

[00:06:58] Stations and even a couple of Dreamcasts were there and stuff too.

[00:07:01] But they're not cheap, man.

[00:07:04] At least at least in Canada it was these were priced.

[00:07:08] They were in really good shape.

[00:07:09] They were cleaned up.

[00:07:09] This place was like, you know, it's a nice place.

[00:07:11] But or at least there's stuff to make sure it's tested and whatever.

[00:07:15] Right.

[00:07:18] It was I want to say it was 140 bucks for the console and one controller.

[00:07:22] That's not cheap.

[00:07:23] That's not cheap.

[00:07:24] Even if that was in the States and it was like 120

[00:07:27] because sometimes stuff sometimes stuff is quote unquote cheaper

[00:07:30] in the US compared to where I am.

[00:07:31] But that's still a lot of money, man.

[00:07:33] Like just just for no games like that's that's wild to me.

[00:07:38] Yeah.

[00:07:39] And 64 is particularly bad.

[00:07:41] So is GameCube.

[00:07:42] It's it's the Nintendo tax, I always say, because Nintendo stuff

[00:07:45] is just always more expensive for whatever reason.

[00:07:49] Yeah, it's like even and that's true even today.

[00:07:51] It's not even just retro stuff because you can look at like this switch

[00:07:54] and games that were launch titles are still 40, 50 dollars.

[00:07:58] Like they don't go down in value.

[00:08:02] And I don't know if that's Nintendo just somehow retaining that

[00:08:06] like no, no, no, no, they're full price or whatever it is.

[00:08:09] But it's just it's something about it.

[00:08:11] I think you're onto that Nintendo tax.

[00:08:13] Yeah, I always say one of my favorite collecting stores,

[00:08:16] I'm pretty sure I shared was when I bought my GameCube,

[00:08:20] paid five dollars for the GameCube, 50 for Melee.

[00:08:25] Yeah, that's yeah.

[00:08:26] As crazy as the five dollar thing is the fact

[00:08:29] that the game is that much more also kind of makes sense.

[00:08:32] Yeah.

[00:08:35] So it was their value.

[00:08:36] Yeah, right.

[00:08:38] So you so you booted this up.

[00:08:40] This was one of the.

[00:08:41] So did you you just sort of knew about it because of Sucker Punch?

[00:08:43] You're like, I like the studio.

[00:08:44] I like Sly Cooper or whatever.

[00:08:46] Um, do you remember if you were like, you know, pleasantly surprised

[00:08:51] or if this is what you expected?

[00:08:52] Or did you know anything about it before you turned it on?

[00:08:56] So all I knew was it was a platformer because I went on.

[00:09:01] So I was playing Sly Cooper.

[00:09:02] I played the hell out of those games and I just started playing infamous.

[00:09:06] Yeah.

[00:09:06] And I was like really, really high on Sucker Punch's games

[00:09:10] because they haven't made a bad game yet at this point.

[00:09:13] Yeah.

[00:09:14] So I was browsing their Wikipedia page and just reading it.

[00:09:18] And I saw before Sly, they made a game called Rocket Robot on Wheels

[00:09:23] for the N64.

[00:09:24] And I was like, oh, they weren't always a Sony studio.

[00:09:27] Right.

[00:09:28] Ironically, they were owned by Microsoft at one point,

[00:09:30] which is very interesting in their history.

[00:09:32] Yeah.

[00:09:33] But I saw that I saw.

[00:09:35] Yep.

[00:09:36] I saw platform.

[00:09:39] I saw it.

[00:09:39] It was a platformer and it looked fascinating like you play as a robot.

[00:09:44] So I ordered it and booted it up and I'm not going to lie from the start.

[00:09:48] I was pretty hooked on it.

[00:09:50] Nice.

[00:09:51] Yeah, it's it's this is me.

[00:09:54] If anyone's watching the video versus me struggling with what the controls

[00:09:56] were at the beginning, I'm I was so bad at this at first.

[00:10:00] I was like, what am I doing?

[00:10:01] How does this control?

[00:10:01] And we'll get it.

[00:10:02] But very unique feeling platform.

[00:10:05] It is. Yes, exactly.

[00:10:07] Yeah, we'll get into it for sure.

[00:10:09] But I think that you mentioned Microsoft as well.

[00:10:13] And from when I was sort of doing research and all that kind of stuff here,

[00:10:18] Rocket Robot on Wheels, its founders came from Microsoft

[00:10:22] and they decided to start the studio.

[00:10:24] They decided to start Sucker Punch

[00:10:27] and just kind of create a game for the N64.

[00:10:31] And I was like, oh, really?

[00:10:33] That's that's interesting that they just yeah, this is what we want to do.

[00:10:36] We want to do, you know, we want to do a platformer for this this console.

[00:10:40] They only had I think it was at this point it was roughly 97 around that time.

[00:10:45] So the console was already out.

[00:10:46] You had things like obviously like Mario 64 was out at that time and stuff.

[00:10:49] And like to me, that sounds like a really like ambitious start

[00:10:54] to be like, I want to make a platformer that is like Mario 64

[00:10:58] or have like similar DNA to that.

[00:11:03] It's it's an interesting way to go about it, because I think that's like

[00:11:07] at that time, that's tough to do.

[00:11:09] That's like a really difficult sort of task to try and take on.

[00:11:12] And they did something different with it, at least right there.

[00:11:16] The physics based game is essentially what this is.

[00:11:19] Yes. Like that's really really what it is.

[00:11:22] During that era, there was like two ways of making a platformer.

[00:11:25] You either had the open world collectathon style

[00:11:28] that Mario 64 popular popularized or you had more of like the Crash Bandicoot

[00:11:33] style with linear stages that went.

[00:11:36] Yeah, kind of like the hallway design.

[00:11:37] I think it's been coined these days.

[00:11:40] Yeah, hallway, hallway platformers sort of thing.

[00:11:42] Yeah, that's that's part of it.

[00:11:44] Before we get too far into it, Jiggy, did you have experience with this in the past?

[00:11:47] You you did you did a very in-depth video about this recently, too.

[00:11:51] So like you've had very recent experience and in a lot of,

[00:11:54] you know, in an in-depth way, but did you have anything,

[00:11:57] you know, any experience with this earlier? Nothing.

[00:11:59] I had absolutely zero experience with this growing up.

[00:12:02] It's not one I ever particularly saw.

[00:12:06] And if I did saw, I probably passed it up

[00:12:09] because I probably thought it didn't look my speed.

[00:12:12] I think the thing that really like

[00:12:16] detracted me from it.

[00:12:17] So I got Iggy's Wreck-n-Balls.

[00:12:20] Oh, yeah. When I was a kid, if you know that game.

[00:12:22] And that game was like, you know, side to side,

[00:12:25] kind of like a battle system where you're like jumping up and down.

[00:12:29] You're just a ball rolling around essentially.

[00:12:31] Yeah. This the cover for this game.

[00:12:34] Similar to Iggy's Wreck-n-Balls in my mind.

[00:12:37] So I'm sure I was like, I have Iggy's Wreck-n-Balls.

[00:12:40] I don't want rocket.

[00:12:41] So I was like, if I knew it was a platformer,

[00:12:44] I probably would have been like, yes, yes.

[00:12:47] But I just assumed it was going to be the same.

[00:12:50] Something like that.

[00:12:51] But yeah, you weren't entranced by this red cartridge.

[00:12:54] The red cartridge is cool.

[00:12:56] But I don't know if it did be.

[00:12:57] I don't even know if there was a way to know that it was a red cartridge

[00:13:00] because you'd like you'd like go to the store and try and rent it.

[00:13:02] And the box is just there. Right?

[00:13:04] Like that's like yet for me.

[00:13:06] I recognize the cover like I honestly did.

[00:13:09] And I don't know that I knew a whole lot about it until you.

[00:13:15] I remember you saying stuff about it, Bill,

[00:13:16] because I really honestly don't don't remember.

[00:13:19] So there's actually a very interesting thing about this game

[00:13:22] is you notice Ubisoft published it.

[00:13:24] Yes, yeah.

[00:13:25] And there was actually a promotional tape that Ubisoft sent out

[00:13:29] that had like a bunch of their games that they were showing off

[00:13:32] because the tape famously had Rayman 2,

[00:13:35] Conic Trouble and then it had Rocket tacked on as a third game.

[00:13:39] That was one of the few ways people really knew about this game

[00:13:42] when it came out.

[00:13:43] Yeah. So so when I when I was researching everything,

[00:13:47] they had a heart sucker punch basically almost completed this game

[00:13:51] and still had nobody to publish it.

[00:13:54] So they're just working on their own dime, you know, in their own studio

[00:13:58] and just sort of like I find that crazy because I could be so daunting

[00:14:03] because you're just starting off.

[00:14:04] You need you need money, obviously.

[00:14:08] You can work as long as you want.

[00:14:09] But if you're going to be working for like a year,

[00:14:11] a year and a half on something and have no money coming in or very little

[00:14:14] coming in, like, what are you supposed to do?

[00:14:16] How do you how do you even feel like you're going to succeed

[00:14:19] if you don't even have a publisher at that point?

[00:14:21] And Ubisoft was the company.

[00:14:23] So they got turned down by PlayStation, by Sony,

[00:14:27] because Sony didn't think that their

[00:14:30] rocket was enough of a of a mascot.

[00:14:35] And they didn't want the fact that this game was also coming out for the 64.

[00:14:39] They didn't like the fact that that was the case.

[00:14:41] And that that was probably the bigger thing than the mascot thing.

[00:14:44] I'm sure it. Yeah.

[00:14:45] I read the mascot thing.

[00:14:46] I go, yeah, but Sony still has trouble with that.

[00:14:48] It's like in my opinion, anyway.

[00:14:52] Well, you don't like.

[00:14:55] Is it Astro now is the mascot?

[00:14:56] I don't know exactly exactly like there.

[00:14:59] There's characters there and there's family friendly characters there.

[00:15:02] Like there's characters, but.

[00:15:04] I don't know that like outside of Kratos today.

[00:15:07] Yeah. Anyway, I was like, my heart says Kratos is there.

[00:15:11] Ratchet maybe. Maybe Ratchet.

[00:15:13] Yeah, right. Because that game was awesome.

[00:15:14] The most recent game, especially was great.

[00:15:16] But Sac Sac Sacboy, maybe Sacboy could have been it.

[00:15:19] But that boy has been dead though for a while now.

[00:15:21] That's the game like three years ago.

[00:15:23] Yeah, that's the thing.

[00:15:24] Oh, yeah. Sacboy is that Sacboy's adventure?

[00:15:26] Sacboy's. Yes.

[00:15:27] Yeah, it's really good. I've ever played it.

[00:15:29] Oh, it's good. Tomorrow, 3D World.

[00:15:30] It's a 3D world clone, but it's really good.

[00:15:32] Oh, nice. OK. Well, interesting.

[00:15:34] The thing is about all of those and even even Crash at the time is like

[00:15:39] it was all, you know, for five years or something.

[00:15:43] You know, it was all like short, short stints.

[00:15:45] You can't really compete with Mario.

[00:15:47] I understand that. But that excuse for like, no,

[00:15:49] be the mascot. That's come on. Really?

[00:15:51] Like, yeah, but here.

[00:15:53] Let me OK. Let me flip this on its head because.

[00:15:57] There's a certain amount of charm you can instantly get

[00:16:00] from seeing a game cover or a game case

[00:16:04] or just even the art for the game. Right?

[00:16:06] Yeah. Donkey Kong has that.

[00:16:08] Mario 64 had that.

[00:16:10] Spyro had that. Crash Bandicoot have that.

[00:16:13] I don't think Rocket had that.

[00:16:15] OK, I don't think games biggest thing.

[00:16:18] Yeah, it doesn't have the aesthetic

[00:16:21] to support kind of a mainstream success.

[00:16:24] It's just like it's kind of lame.

[00:16:30] I don't speak less like it's not a bad game.

[00:16:33] My enemies like don't get me wrong.

[00:16:35] I'm just saying like there's literally clowns on a ball.

[00:16:40] Rolling around and they make like

[00:16:42] like old school squeak.

[00:16:44] Jingle or something. Yeah.

[00:16:45] Yeah, jingle noises. Yeah.

[00:16:47] It's like this game is

[00:16:50] it is very much the perfect example of a retroactive hit.

[00:16:54] Yes.

[00:16:56] Yeah, it I don't know.

[00:16:59] I think you're onto something, Jiggy, for sure.

[00:17:01] But I think the character model of Rocket himself is still

[00:17:06] could could be pretty interesting.

[00:17:07] Like I I could see that being the

[00:17:11] you know, quote unquote selling point or whatever

[00:17:13] or like the mascot.

[00:17:15] But the rest of it, I think like the worlds aren't necessarily

[00:17:21] overly interesting or make it

[00:17:24] flashy or as I don't know.

[00:17:27] I think another huge thing with Rocket that really heard it was

[00:17:31] it came out on the 64 and the 64 was already saturated

[00:17:35] with 3D platforms as it was.

[00:17:37] Yeah, that's true.

[00:17:38] And there was a lot on the system that kind of got overshadowed.

[00:17:41] Yeah, yeah.

[00:17:42] There's I mean, that's that's a lot of what kept the

[00:17:47] the console afloat with like the bigger titles, like the rare titles, especially.

[00:17:50] But like it's also hard to compete with those.

[00:17:52] Like how do you make this game and just automatically be like,

[00:17:56] oh, this is going to be a success because of the platformer?

[00:17:58] It's understandable because, you know, Nintendo famous

[00:18:02] or infamously patented the camera controls to the C buttons.

[00:18:05] So no other studio could use those like really?

[00:18:09] I didn't actually know that.

[00:18:11] That was the thing.

[00:18:12] So Nintendo actually had to do how the camera controls worked

[00:18:17] in Mario 64 and they had the pad done that for most of the consoles run.

[00:18:23] So that's why a lot of like non-Nintendo or rare made

[00:18:27] platformer platforms have really awful camera controls.

[00:18:30] Yeah, that's so crappy.

[00:18:32] We should talk about this camera, Jiggy.

[00:18:33] I know you have thoughts because on your video, you definitely talked about it.

[00:18:37] Yeah. And I just wanted to briefly say to like

[00:18:43] so this game came out November 17th in North America in 1999.

[00:18:48] Ninety nine. Yeah. OK.

[00:18:49] And I was looking at.

[00:18:51] Yeah, but I was curious because you were talking about

[00:18:54] you were talking about being over saturated and I'm like, maybe sort of.

[00:18:58] Yeah, they existed.

[00:19:00] I think it was more like we didn't get too over saturated until maybe like

[00:19:05] two thousand, like then you're like you're really hitting with a lot of different games.

[00:19:09] Oh, yeah. But it was definitely overshadowed

[00:19:11] with DK64 releasing just a couple days later.

[00:19:15] And if you're going to pick a platformer on the 64,

[00:19:18] like Donkey Kong is definitely going to take the cake there.

[00:19:22] I mean, everyone's going to go to Donkey Kong because it's recognizable, right?

[00:19:25] Like you're going to just going to happen and probably know that it's coming.

[00:19:28] That release date was unfortunate.

[00:19:30] I think probably a controversial opinion, but I'd rather play Rocket.

[00:19:34] I'm not going to lie. Oh, yeah, controversial.

[00:19:37] I hate this camera.

[00:19:40] Yeah, the camera is not great.

[00:19:41] I will say it's better than a lot of the Nintendo cameras.

[00:19:46] Like it's better than tonic trouble.

[00:19:47] I'll say that.

[00:19:49] Oh, I got to play that better than play that better than Earthworm, Jim,

[00:19:52] 3D. I think that is more of that's coming soon, by the way.

[00:19:57] The thing that's up, everybody, that's coming soon.

[00:20:00] The thing about Rocket's camera, too, that really, you know what I mean?

[00:20:03] Like I think it's tolerable, like you said, I don't think it's bad.

[00:20:08] I think it works.

[00:20:10] But the noise it makes when it moves, you know, like,

[00:20:17] if it was like once and it moved, like I was trying to vividly

[00:20:21] like remember what the camera does in other games,

[00:20:26] like the sound effect and was like they do have sound effects.

[00:20:28] But for some reason, Rocket's really it's like I think I said in my video,

[00:20:33] it sounds like a fart that's been like pitched up and it's added reverb.

[00:20:37] It's just like.

[00:20:50] It's like every like I know what it is.

[00:20:54] I know it is besides the noise.

[00:20:55] It's like.

[00:20:57] Increments of camera movement.

[00:20:59] They're not very large.

[00:21:01] So if you tap the button, it's like it moves subtly.

[00:21:03] So you have to tap it like three or four times.

[00:21:05] You're like.

[00:21:07] And it makes multiple noises within it.

[00:21:09] Yeah, you're pressing it quite a few times to make it to make it.

[00:21:11] It is.

[00:21:12] And it gets caught on the wall quite a bit, like on tighter spots.

[00:21:15] Like some games of this era, though.

[00:21:18] Yeah, it was.

[00:21:19] But it feels like for this, like you're going down a hallway, for example.

[00:21:23] And, you know, I kind of want to see what's in front of me a little bit

[00:21:27] instead of being sort of mostly in the front.

[00:21:30] It almost it almost is across between the Resident Evil camera

[00:21:34] and the Mario 64 camera where it's like it wants to follow you

[00:21:38] and be that 3D platformer camera, but at the same time

[00:21:41] because I experienced exactly what you're saying.

[00:21:43] Yeah. When you turn a corner, there are certain certain like set pieces

[00:21:48] within the game where you'll turn into a small cave or something.

[00:21:51] And the camera like flips to the opposite side.

[00:21:53] And to be fair, the controls work like they translate really well.

[00:21:57] It's not like it's not like we're going in a direction.

[00:22:00] All of a sudden you feel like you need to change the joystick orientation

[00:22:02] so that you're moving like it feels natural, like how it works.

[00:22:05] But it's just like then you can't see what's coming.

[00:22:07] There's they do you dirty in the level in particular we're watching

[00:22:10] right now where there's a pit of lava in the middle of this cave

[00:22:14] and you like turn and then all of a sudden there's a pit of lava

[00:22:16] and you just got to know that you have to jump over it.

[00:22:19] Only knew was there because I ran into it the previous time.

[00:22:22] Like that's exactly the reason why I knew it there.

[00:22:25] I think I think before we get too far into like all this stuff,

[00:22:28] too, we have just sort of mentioned that the fact that this game is

[00:22:31] is yes, a 3D platformer, but it also is very physics based.

[00:22:36] Like I mentioned that earlier, but like yes, there's like this is based

[00:22:40] around physics, which, yes, sure, happens in a lot of games.

[00:22:44] They try to have some sort of physics in it.

[00:22:46] But a lot of platformers in the 90s and even a lot of the 3D

[00:22:50] platformers and stuff, Donkey Kong, Mario, whatever you want,

[00:22:52] whatever title you want to pick.

[00:22:54] Sure, there's like physics based in it, but it's not as precise,

[00:22:59] I would say, and it's not as necessary to complete a lot of the tasks

[00:23:06] and especially the actual platforming itself.

[00:23:09] So for example, you want to go up a ramp as Donkey Kong

[00:23:14] or as Mario and Mario 64.

[00:23:16] You can kind of just run up it and it's OK, right?

[00:23:19] But in Rocket and as Rocket, you have to sometimes make sure that

[00:23:24] you have a little bit of a running start or you need to hop your way up

[00:23:27] that hill or that ramp because you need momentum because you're on

[00:23:33] you're on a unicycle, essentially.

[00:23:35] You are a robot on one wheel.

[00:23:37] And I think that is a very inventive idea for the time for sure.

[00:23:42] And definitely ambitious, like talk about ambitious of wanting to make

[00:23:45] this your first game and stuff like that's great and everything.

[00:23:49] I just every once in a while, I was like, I wish it was just a little bit less.

[00:23:55] I don't think it's clunky, but I feel like sometimes the.

[00:24:00] Those platforming elements where you're on something that's really,

[00:24:03] you know, thin or you're going up ramps that are sort of turning

[00:24:07] and things like that.

[00:24:08] It's almost too difficult sometimes in my opinion.

[00:24:11] I don't know if it is.

[00:24:12] I don't know if it knows how difficult it wants to be.

[00:24:14] Yeah, I don't know.

[00:24:15] So a key thing with the platforming, one of the reasons

[00:24:18] I really enjoy it is Rocket has a very good sense of weight,

[00:24:22] which is something that a lot of 3D platformers did not have at this point.

[00:24:26] That's a good point.

[00:24:27] That's part of it.

[00:24:27] Like when you jump, he feels like a rock.

[00:24:30] Like he feels like a robot, like a hunk of metal is jumping through the air.

[00:24:34] Like he's got like this kind of like he'll jump up and then you can

[00:24:36] like feel him like sinking down and you kind of have to time it out properly.

[00:24:42] And what's cool is I played this after playing like say the Sly Cooper series.

[00:24:47] You can see a lot of what Sucker Punch was going to eventually do in this game.

[00:24:53] Because it has the kind of like almost parkourish style platforming.

[00:24:59] Yeah, right at home in that series.

[00:25:01] And it's it's one of those that's like kind of hard to master.

[00:25:05] But once you figure it out, it's like super satisfying to like go

[00:25:08] through all these platforming challenges.

[00:25:10] Yeah, I don't dig it.

[00:25:11] Did you have that experience?

[00:25:12] Like I know that like it's it can be tricky and stuff.

[00:25:15] But did you find that it clicked with you after a while?

[00:25:17] Because you you played it a little while ago for your video.

[00:25:20] But like how did that feel for you?

[00:25:22] Yes and no, I just clunked my mic.

[00:25:24] Yeah, yes and no, I hate giving that answer.

[00:25:26] But it's like, I know, I feel like the majority of the time, yes, it worked.

[00:25:33] I got to a point, though,

[00:25:36] like we'll get to this at some point.

[00:25:38] But the very last boss and very last level, I was kind of I was getting

[00:25:42] really frustrated.

[00:25:45] I wouldn't say it's necessarily with the jumping.

[00:25:49] But there's just some some dumb.

[00:25:53] Dumb, dumb, maneuverability.

[00:25:55] I don't know.

[00:25:56] I find that when you when you're going.

[00:25:58] So it's almost like you have to give yourself a little bit of a head start,

[00:26:01] like you said earlier, and then you have to jump.

[00:26:03] OK, but what I found I was doing and I think this is.

[00:26:08] I think I would have liked this game better if I played this

[00:26:11] platformer before playing others for like so much of my life.

[00:26:16] Right? I'm so used to not these controls and it's not to say I can

[00:26:21] acknowledge they're not bad, but the fact that I couldn't just like

[00:26:25] go off a platform and then jump or like do my double jump and make it

[00:26:29] like you would go off a platform and it would just trigger a double jump.

[00:26:32] But your double jump wouldn't be as high as it would if you actually

[00:26:35] like took the time to do it right.

[00:26:37] Yeah. So that was like a blunder for me

[00:26:40] constantly. I was constantly falling or coming short for my jumps

[00:26:44] and a lot of like falling down to the bottom and then having to scale

[00:26:48] all the way back up and those parts.

[00:26:51] Just frustrating. Those parts sucked.

[00:26:52] Yeah, like I think I think especially early when you don't have as many

[00:26:56] abilities or you're not as comfortable with the controls

[00:27:00] and the camera for sure, like without the double jump,

[00:27:04] I felt like I couldn't get any platforming done. Not going to lie.

[00:27:07] Like it was and it's not that long.

[00:27:09] It's like an hour, hour and a half of play or something like it's not crazy.

[00:27:11] But early on, I think like they should have made the double jump a little bit

[00:27:16] earlier because you can really sort of save yourself in a way.

[00:27:20] Maybe it's too much of a crutch.

[00:27:22] Maybe I should I should learn to be better, but I don't know.

[00:27:25] So it's it's the controls have like a flow to them, which is like

[00:27:31] something that is very common now in like very artsy platformers

[00:27:34] as you see like nowadays where it's kind of like you have to like

[00:27:38] your the key to like getting through the challenges you have to keep moving.

[00:27:41] Like you can't like stop and yeah, yeah.

[00:27:45] It's it's like it's the momentum, right?

[00:27:48] Like it's all physics based.

[00:27:49] So like your momentum matters and that's not what you expect

[00:27:53] with with games like this, right?

[00:27:55] You expect to just, you know, go like you said, Jiggy,

[00:28:00] like you were saying, just jump and just go, right?

[00:28:03] So anyway, yeah, I was going to say first off, I don't have a compulsive

[00:28:07] form of movement in this game, which is a little irritating to me.

[00:28:10] Like usually you have something like Link has like constant rolling.

[00:28:14] Donkey Kong 64.

[00:28:15] I do like cartwheel jump tailspin.

[00:28:18] Like, you know what I mean?

[00:28:20] Like I wanted something like that to like feel like I was moving faster than I was.

[00:28:26] Totally lost my trail of thought.

[00:28:27] I wanted to say that.

[00:28:28] But what did we say right before that?

[00:28:30] Just remind me.

[00:28:32] You're talking about what's like the momentum and everything like in the platform.

[00:28:38] Yeah, I totally lost my thought.

[00:28:40] It'll come back to me.

[00:28:41] Oh, yes, it came back to me.

[00:28:43] Yes. OK, I was going to say what what is like super annoying

[00:28:47] is yes, they want you to keep moving.

[00:28:50] They want you to go fast.

[00:28:52] I would say for the most part your tractor beam, like as a as a tether

[00:28:56] as grabbing things works great, right?

[00:28:59] Yeah, that's fine.

[00:29:00] What I don't like is that you use that for combat as well.

[00:29:03] OK, in the combat, it's just you grab an enemy and you jump in the air

[00:29:07] and you slam them down.

[00:29:09] It's like it's a ground pound essentially.

[00:29:11] I actually want to talk about the combat real quick.

[00:29:13] Let's do it. OK, go for it.

[00:29:15] I had an interesting experience with it.

[00:29:17] I didn't realize initially the first time I played this

[00:29:19] that you could pick enemies up.

[00:29:21] Oh, so I was throwing bombs and items at them.

[00:29:24] Yeah, I thought I was like, oh, this is a cool combat.

[00:29:27] Works. Yeah.

[00:29:27] And I was like, oh, that's cool.

[00:29:29] But then I would have to run into the problem or like I would throw a bomb

[00:29:33] and it would blow up and damage me as well.

[00:29:35] So I was like, yeah.

[00:29:37] So I was like, OK, this isn't great.

[00:29:39] So then I kind of had this thought.

[00:29:40] I realized, oh, I could pick the enemy up.

[00:29:42] Oh, I can throw the enemy at the bomb.

[00:29:44] This is genius.

[00:29:45] And then I quickly realized, oh, I can just ground pound

[00:29:48] and kill the enemy by picking it up.

[00:29:49] Yeah, essentially. Yeah.

[00:29:51] It's like, well, that's convenient.

[00:29:54] And it's health too.

[00:29:56] Yes. Yeah.

[00:29:58] Here's here's the thing I wanted to capitalize on

[00:30:01] with the tractor beam and moving fast, right?

[00:30:03] And you can't think about it.

[00:30:04] There are stages that require I'm looking at this one in particular.

[00:30:07] I think I just hated this stage.

[00:30:09] It's like the first or second one.

[00:30:11] Yeah, you have to grab bombs and move through these cave systems.

[00:30:16] And I've had so many instances where you pick up some momentum

[00:30:20] like going down a hill or something.

[00:30:23] And the bomb would like your tractor

[00:30:25] beam wouldn't hold at level.

[00:30:26] It would like kind of dip it up a little bit.

[00:30:28] It bobs with your momentum.

[00:30:30] Yeah, and it would smack a wall or smack the ground more.

[00:30:34] The wall I can forgive.

[00:30:36] The ground is irritating because then it would blow up.

[00:30:38] I had this one part in particular where you're sitting on a platform.

[00:30:42] You have to descend to the like bottom level.

[00:30:45] And as you have to grab a bomb, go to this platform to descend down.

[00:30:50] And as you're doing it like, I must have done it like eight, nine times

[00:30:55] and I would sit in the middle, not moving.

[00:30:58] I'm not moving. I'm sitting in the middle.

[00:31:00] I have the tractor beam like right in front of me with the bomb.

[00:31:04] Boom, it explodes just by like the platform moving.

[00:31:08] It's a wall. I don't know.

[00:31:09] Yeah, I couldn't tell why it was blowing up, but I had to do it

[00:31:12] until finally I got through it and I was like, yes.

[00:31:16] And then I threw it on the ground and accidentally like blew it up.

[00:31:19] Now I had to do it again, but I got it right after that.

[00:31:22] So you did? OK, that's good.

[00:31:23] But it was so it was so needlessly irritating.

[00:31:27] So so that's the whole physics based gameplay part of it, right?

[00:31:30] Is that like they add they put in physics and they and they program

[00:31:34] in physics to every pretty much everything in the game, right?

[00:31:37] I think that particular issue I ran into too in a few instances.

[00:31:42] I understand where they're going with it and I don't hate it or anything.

[00:31:46] But I do think it would get rid of a few headaches

[00:31:49] if the tractor beam would just be, you know, hold things in place.

[00:31:52] You know, like just just keep it in one place and that's it.

[00:31:55] I like the way it works.

[00:31:57] I like that you could use it like all these things like it's it's good.

[00:32:01] But sometimes it's like, well, just make the choice to make one thing

[00:32:04] a tiny bit simpler. You know what I mean? So

[00:32:07] or when you pick up items, maybe it just puts it like directly above your head

[00:32:10] or something, something. Yeah, something like that.

[00:32:12] Like just just a little bit higher than because it's actually like below your head.

[00:32:15] It's kind of like your body level.

[00:32:17] Like it holds it like right about here, right? Yeah.

[00:32:20] But like, for example, if anyone's trying to picture sort of like

[00:32:22] if you're not watching the video and stuff, but if you're picturing it,

[00:32:25] it's like a beam, like you said, sort of at neck level, shoulder level

[00:32:28] of like a person, if you were a person like that.

[00:32:30] But like if you were to jump the bomb or whatever you're holding

[00:32:34] kind of bobs with the momentum of your body.

[00:32:36] Yeah, again, I think that's a that's a cool idea and concept

[00:32:40] and the fact that that's what they went for, I think is really interesting.

[00:32:45] In some aspects, I that that's where I got confused where it's like

[00:32:50] not confused, but I just tried to say to myself like, well, is

[00:32:54] is this a kid's game or is this an adult's game?

[00:32:56] Because that's hard to pull off as someone who may not be as experienced.

[00:33:01] Like if I was playing this when it came out, I would have been

[00:33:05] and then I just get killed by an enemy really quickly.

[00:33:08] And I didn't even see.

[00:33:09] I mean, that happens in games, I guess. But

[00:33:12] but if I was playing this as like an 11 or 12 year old when this came out,

[00:33:18] I don't know if I could wrap my head around some of those sections at least.

[00:33:22] It's a it's a hard one.

[00:33:23] It isn't the easiest.

[00:33:25] I kind of like that it doesn't hold your hand, though, at all.

[00:33:28] I don't mind it.

[00:33:30] I think it's it's kind of it's kind of interesting.

[00:33:32] Like I don't mind the fact that it's like, although it doesn't hold your hand.

[00:33:36] But but some of the sort of like mini tutorial, like,

[00:33:40] you know, instances where it tells you what you need to do when you get your

[00:33:43] ability or when you go into a new area and it kind of gives you some information

[00:33:47] when you talk to the little robot head or whatever.

[00:33:49] It gives you something and then you kind of have to figure it out yourself from there.

[00:33:54] And I'm OK with that.

[00:33:56] Like, you know, it doesn't have to be perfect.

[00:33:59] But every once in a while, it was like, I wish

[00:34:02] the introduction to some of these abilities that you get, for example,

[00:34:04] or introduction to some of the worlds were just like a touch simpler.

[00:34:09] That's all.

[00:34:10] But otherwise.

[00:34:13] I still had fun, you know, it can be frustrating.

[00:34:16] But nowadays, a lot of these can be frustrating in a lot in some ways, I think.

[00:34:21] Most old platformers are kind of frustrating at times.

[00:34:24] There's always elements of it, right? Yeah, exactly.

[00:34:27] I'm trying to I'm trying to like.

[00:34:30] So one thing I wanted to point out was that that whole

[00:34:34] just because I know it's published by Ubisoft, I don't know if they have

[00:34:36] how much of a hand they had in this game, if any, at all.

[00:34:40] But I like much. Yeah.

[00:34:42] But I love the when you go into a level and leave a level,

[00:34:46] I was like, that's so tonic trouble.

[00:34:49] That I mean, literally it's it's what happens in tonic trouble.

[00:34:53] It's it's cool.

[00:34:55] You're like disassembling then reassemble.

[00:34:57] Yes, I really am.

[00:34:58] Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is it felt very Ubisoft.

[00:35:01] Oh, OK.

[00:35:03] Yeah.

[00:35:05] Go ahead. Go ahead.

[00:35:06] I really enjoy about this game is its level design,

[00:35:10] not so much the designs itself.

[00:35:12] Some of the levels are a little frustrating.

[00:35:14] It's the these levels aren't massive,

[00:35:18] because I think one issue some of these games have are like

[00:35:21] one of my biggest gripes with Donkey Kong 64 is

[00:35:24] it's the levels are just too big at times.

[00:35:27] Some of them are huge.

[00:35:28] Some of them are huge.

[00:35:28] You kind of like it's very hard to do a really big

[00:35:32] expansive platformer and make it interesting.

[00:35:34] It's like one of the reasons why like all these open world games

[00:35:37] just annoy me nowadays, because they're just empty and barren

[00:35:40] and like it's really hard to fill them with stuff.

[00:35:43] These levels are all very medium sized.

[00:35:45] Like there's not they're big enough that they're interesting,

[00:35:49] but they're not like so big that you like feel like

[00:35:51] it's going to be a struggle to find everything in them.

[00:35:54] Yeah, what I find interesting about what I notice as

[00:35:56] you get further along, I kind of I kind of realize that more and more.

[00:36:00] But I think it's interesting because some of them don't

[00:36:03] don't feel big at all.

[00:36:04] Like the first couple of ones I'm like, oh, this is pretty

[00:36:07] especially the very first one like that one seems very very close.

[00:36:10] You're sort of just on like a beach island type thing.

[00:36:13] But like I think some of them you end up collecting

[00:36:17] like these machine parts that open you up to a whole other area

[00:36:22] that you didn't have before.

[00:36:24] So the level does feel like that sort of medium to small,

[00:36:27] medium size and then all of a sudden it opens up to more.

[00:36:30] And sometimes there's like most of the time

[00:36:32] there's more an intricate platforming section.

[00:36:35] There's sometimes a couple more tickets that you need to collect

[00:36:37] and the little machine parts or whatever they call them.

[00:36:40] I can't remember those are called.

[00:36:42] And the level just feels different and it feels bigger

[00:36:45] and it feels like there's more going on.

[00:36:47] And it's not just, hey, there's a couple of little like rooms

[00:36:50] where you can find some tickets and then you move on to the next one.

[00:36:52] I like that part of it, too, is the fact that like

[00:36:55] it's not just what's in front of you after you do a couple of things.

[00:36:59] You open up to another section.

[00:37:01] And that and that's fun, too.

[00:37:02] I know a lot of these games kind of have that idea,

[00:37:05] but for some reason it it was more and more entertaining

[00:37:08] as it went on for me. I enjoyed that part of it.

[00:37:10] So did you guys did you guys have?

[00:37:14] So first off, have you completed it?

[00:37:18] Yes, I have 100 percented it once.

[00:37:20] OK, good. I did not 100 percent it.

[00:37:22] That's for sure. I did not.

[00:37:24] You got the very boring, lifeless ending.

[00:37:28] I don't even know.

[00:37:29] I think I did look it up.

[00:37:30] I don't remember what the oh, yeah, yeah, I do remember now.

[00:37:33] If you don't 100 percent it, you don't get the ending.

[00:37:35] You don't get it.

[00:37:36] Well, yeah, but but I know.

[00:37:38] Yeah, I know what happens.

[00:37:39] I did look it up.

[00:37:41] I did not. What happened?

[00:37:42] What happens in the in the in the non-boring ending,

[00:37:44] the actual ending of the owner of the park renames it from a rocket world?

[00:37:50] He names it from like a Wubby World or whatever it is.

[00:37:53] Wubby World or Wobby World?

[00:37:54] Yeah, Wubby World into Rocket World,

[00:37:56] because Rocket was the true hero.

[00:37:58] Yeah, Wubby looks very upset for Wubby

[00:38:03] and Jojo's in his cage.

[00:38:04] Also, Jojo's design is just sly.

[00:38:07] It is. Yeah, it is.

[00:38:08] It's 100 percent like the raccoons.

[00:38:10] Yeah. So fun fact, if you look at the

[00:38:14] the custom like the early concept art for a sly one,

[00:38:17] Sly's original design was a lot chunkier

[00:38:19] and like more legit raccoon looking.

[00:38:21] Yeah. And he looked just like Jojo.

[00:38:23] Yeah, first thing that came to mind when I saw this,

[00:38:26] like 100 percent the first thing. So yeah.

[00:38:29] But also, like

[00:38:30] would be the walrus, like looks like his friend too.

[00:38:34] I'm not super in a sly Cooper, but

[00:38:37] he kind of looks like Murray to a degree.

[00:38:40] Murray was a hippopotamus, but I can see the.

[00:38:42] Yeah, I can see the similarities.

[00:38:44] Yeah. Also, the very comic book looking like art style.

[00:38:47] That that's just like a sucker punch trademark,

[00:38:50] which I really enjoy in this game. Yeah.

[00:38:52] Yeah, I I do like the design,

[00:38:54] I think of a lot of the characters and stuff.

[00:38:56] I think some of the worlds are hit and miss to me,

[00:38:58] like the one that that was just up on the video before,

[00:39:01] where it's like the cave and stuff like that.

[00:39:03] It's OK, but there's only so much you can do with like

[00:39:06] cave walls and a cave.

[00:39:08] Yeah, I guess. So, you know, I don't know.

[00:39:10] I wanted to backtrack a little bit because.

[00:39:12] Yeah, sorry, you're going to say something.

[00:39:13] I thought I was going to just say the.

[00:39:15] Did you guys find some of the tickets like

[00:39:19] to go back to complete the game?

[00:39:21] You need 65 tickets, I believe 65.

[00:39:23] Yeah. And there's a total of 84 in the game.

[00:39:28] I got to the point where I needed the 65 tickets

[00:39:31] and I had to go back and like really hunt

[00:39:35] in these old levels to find tickets.

[00:39:37] Like, did you guys find it to be a struggle to find things?

[00:39:40] Like, is that just a me thing?

[00:39:42] Because I feel like I explore often in games

[00:39:44] and I was like, man, this is kind of hard.

[00:39:46] Yeah, yeah. I will shamelessly admit,

[00:39:49] I'll go through the levels once and then once I can't find anything,

[00:39:52] I'll just look up again. OK.

[00:39:54] This one there, there's definitely a few of those tickets,

[00:39:57] which in if you think about other 3D platformers

[00:40:00] like take Banjo-Kazooie, for example, the tickets are the jiggies

[00:40:05] and the machine parts.

[00:40:07] What are they? The other ones are basically the notes.

[00:40:09] I think they're tokens, machine tokens or something.

[00:40:11] Those are the notes. Yeah.

[00:40:12] Yeah, those are the notes.

[00:40:13] So those are the two things you're mainly collecting.

[00:40:15] And then I mentioned machine parts.

[00:40:17] So there's just like sort of an extra thing that's within each level.

[00:40:21] It's it's hard to explain,

[00:40:23] but it's just like another thing you collect to open up a new area.

[00:40:27] 100 percent I found I found it hard to find some of these things.

[00:40:31] Like, yeah, it wasn't like not all of them.

[00:40:35] Because sometimes what I did like about this game is sometimes

[00:40:38] it was actually kind of easy, not easy to figure out,

[00:40:40] but easy to notice like, oh, this is going to be one of those sections

[00:40:44] that is going to lead me to where a ticket is and where some of the tokens are.

[00:40:48] Yeah, I'm going to put myself through it.

[00:40:50] I'm going to do it even though it's not super obvious.

[00:40:52] It just kind of feels like it's set up that way.

[00:40:54] But that didn't feel overly unique.

[00:40:56] What felt unique is when I stumbled upon things,

[00:40:58] but that was few and far between.

[00:41:00] I think I looked up a guide for a couple of them

[00:41:04] so that I can unlock more worlds and everything.

[00:41:07] So I did go back a couple of times,

[00:41:09] but it is difficult, I think, to get through some of these these ones.

[00:41:13] Like this particular level that I'm showing,

[00:41:15] which I think is like the fourth stage, maybe it's a third

[00:41:20] where you're sort of on like a magic carpet

[00:41:22] and like flying around this open area.

[00:41:24] I hated this one.

[00:41:25] I did not. You know what?

[00:41:27] I did not like this one at all.

[00:41:29] This one was probably in my mind, this is one of the easier ones.

[00:41:33] I felt like this one is a little more easy.

[00:41:35] Yes, easier. Yeah, yeah.

[00:41:37] The tickets. Yeah.

[00:41:38] But I found it to be a bit of a pain in the ass.

[00:41:40] Not going to lie.

[00:41:41] OK.

[00:41:42] I really enjoyed.

[00:41:47] I don't know.

[00:41:48] Did you have one, Jiggy?

[00:41:49] You have like a particular?

[00:41:50] Yeah, I do.

[00:41:51] I really liked it.

[00:41:54] I think it's pyramid scheme and that's the one like in the jungle

[00:41:57] and it does like a time travel sort of thing.

[00:41:59] That's the one I was about to say that.

[00:42:01] Yeah, yeah, I love that.

[00:42:02] That's the best one.

[00:42:03] Yeah, OK. So we're all on the same page.

[00:42:04] Vehicle in the game.

[00:42:06] OK. I didn't think the magic carpet was bad, but that motorcycle,

[00:42:10] that thing is sick.

[00:42:11] It like shoots out bat wings and it uses the momentum kind of like

[00:42:16] Batman Arkham city style where you like dive and then you shoot back up.

[00:42:20] Like, it's it's a lot of fun.

[00:42:22] I wish I could have the vehicle just like threw away the car there.

[00:42:25] He was like, I'm done with this.

[00:42:27] And just man, I did that so many times and then this I was like,

[00:42:30] how do I jump back on it?

[00:42:31] Like, I couldn't quite figure it.

[00:42:33] Oh, I want to watch him do this.

[00:42:34] Oh, I couldn't.

[00:42:35] I didn't do this on this on my first try.

[00:42:36] No chance. I love the physics in this level.

[00:42:40] Most of the platforming I did not do in my first try.

[00:42:43] I think I fall off right in this job.

[00:42:44] But see it up there.

[00:42:46] Go.

[00:42:48] He didn't even miss it.

[00:42:49] He just ran out.

[00:42:49] I just kept going.

[00:42:53] But there's the camera and that's so.

[00:42:56] So that's the thing with like some of the the platforming stuff as an example.

[00:43:00] So if anyone's not watching it, basically there's a bunch of suspended

[00:43:03] platforms that are like, I don't know what they were,

[00:43:05] hexagons or something like this matter what the shape is.

[00:43:07] Let's just say the circles.

[00:43:08] The problem is it's not that you need momentum to kind of just make those

[00:43:13] jumps in order to get speed to kind of create, you know, more momentum

[00:43:16] to have a further jump.

[00:43:18] The problem is that those platforms also wobble because they're

[00:43:23] floating in suspended space.

[00:43:25] And again, that adds to the physics of what this game is.

[00:43:29] And it does, to me, feel interesting.

[00:43:31] I like that.

[00:43:33] But here's my abandoned carpet that I try and jump on.

[00:43:37] And I think I fall off the level.

[00:43:38] Oh, my gosh, you're not going to try to jump it over.

[00:43:40] 100 percent I tried.

[00:43:41] I threw it in the middle of the stage and I'm just like, you know what?

[00:43:44] Screw it. I'm going to do a running jump.

[00:43:45] Let's see what happens.

[00:43:46] Wee. I almost made it too.

[00:43:50] You always got a time to double jump, man.

[00:43:51] You wait for it to be in view.

[00:43:53] I had to struggle with the camera.

[00:43:56] The the problem with some of those platforms is that they also wobble.

[00:44:00] So it affects your momentum.

[00:44:01] Yeah, again, ambitious idea stuff that for the most part, I think works.

[00:44:06] But every once in a while, I'm just like, I don't know.

[00:44:09] And the fact they fall and you're like, you're under that anxiety stress.

[00:44:13] You're like, I got to go fast to do this.

[00:44:15] Yeah. Right.

[00:44:16] And I think that's that's probably part of the thing.

[00:44:19] Like you said that so early on, I'm like, that's totally right

[00:44:22] because you start, you have to keep moving.

[00:44:25] Yeah. And if you commit, you have to commit.

[00:44:28] You have to come in.

[00:44:30] That's a good way to put it.

[00:44:30] You have to commit.

[00:44:32] I partially kind of love that because I kind of I always joke like

[00:44:35] I call it like the full send method where you just full send to see what happens.

[00:44:39] Yeah, yeah. Oh, 100 percent.

[00:44:41] You have to do that so many times and in a way that that is that is just

[00:44:45] it's another approach.

[00:44:46] It's another interesting way of doing it and whatever.

[00:44:48] You know, there are there is there is something unique.

[00:44:51] There is an advantage to that.

[00:44:52] The bomb thing happened.

[00:44:53] There's the bomb thing. Yeah.

[00:44:54] And I just and I just took that.

[00:44:55] The animation is so sad.

[00:44:57] He just rolls around like sadly.

[00:45:00] Also, sometimes when you die,

[00:45:01] it kind of just like sits there for longer than it should.

[00:45:05] And then you watch him roll.

[00:45:06] Yeah, you watch him roll around and it's like.

[00:45:10] You know, I don't know.

[00:45:13] Oh, go ahead.

[00:45:13] You go. I was going to say,

[00:45:14] I don't know if that's better than like something like Jack and Daxter

[00:45:17] where like Daxter just criticizes you whenever you die.

[00:45:20] Oh, that's true. Yeah.

[00:45:21] He chirps you. Yeah.

[00:45:22] That's right.

[00:45:24] The the thing about like the platforming, too, is

[00:45:28] in other games, you have a form of like correction when you do it.

[00:45:34] So like Donkey Kong 64, you can jump off something.

[00:45:37] You have an aerial attack that you could, you know,

[00:45:40] you could do an aerial attack and get you just that little bit

[00:45:43] that you needed to kind of pull back a little bit.

[00:45:45] Banjo Kazooie, you had Kazooie.

[00:45:47] You could flap your wings and kind of like maneuver around.

[00:45:49] Yes. Mario, you had your dive, right?

[00:45:52] So if you didn't think you could make quite make it,

[00:45:54] you could dive, try to go in a different direction or something.

[00:45:57] This has no correction.

[00:45:58] It's just a full set, like you said.

[00:46:03] Full set platform.

[00:46:04] Big hunk of metal on one wheel coming at you.

[00:46:06] Yeah, it's real. It's realism.

[00:46:08] You know, you make you you can't you can't change your direction

[00:46:12] in midair in real life. So I know.

[00:46:14] And that's so that I've tried.

[00:46:16] It doesn't work.

[00:46:17] I've tried to jump off a magic carpet and make a platform,

[00:46:20] but I just couldn't do it.

[00:46:22] I'm pretty sure we all as kids tried to do

[00:46:23] like the change your direction in midair and just fell.

[00:46:26] Yeah, I just like doesn't work.

[00:46:29] Paul, like a sack of bricks.

[00:46:30] Yeah, 100 percent Castlevania always had it right.

[00:46:33] That's that's how jumping really works.

[00:46:35] Yeah, that's actually when you think about it.

[00:46:36] Yeah, that's how it goes.

[00:46:38] The again, I think I think the the ideas in all this

[00:46:43] platforming in the physics based gameplay is is fantastic.

[00:46:45] I think it's great that they just went for it.

[00:46:48] I think that needs to be applauded.

[00:46:51] And honestly, that's one of the reasons why,

[00:46:53] like, even though it was it could be frustrating at times,

[00:46:56] I was like, what happened there?

[00:46:58] The thing closed on me before I got a chance to get in there.

[00:47:01] You were you were in there, though.

[00:47:02] I don't close and push me out.

[00:47:03] I know the switch.

[00:47:05] I didn't. Yeah, I didn't have to switch.

[00:47:06] I don't even know if I don't even know if I got this one.

[00:47:08] This is one of the first times I did this level or the first time.

[00:47:12] It's yeah, I applaud.

[00:47:14] I applaud this game and found I was slightly less frustrated

[00:47:19] with it because I was like, OK, I see what they're going for here.

[00:47:22] Like, I get it, you know, and I think that that

[00:47:25] deserves some some extra credit, not saying that you guys aren't

[00:47:28] giving it credit for that or anything.

[00:47:29] But I do think that that is a factor as to why I may have

[00:47:35] pushed through some of the elements and some of the moments

[00:47:38] that I would have been otherwise too frustrated to continue with.

[00:47:42] Did I want to rage quit this game?

[00:47:45] No, but I came close every once in a while.

[00:47:48] I guess sometimes.

[00:47:50] You know, one thing about this game, though, that like I noticed

[00:47:53] just from watching the footage here alone.

[00:47:55] This game runs incredibly well.

[00:47:58] Oh, yeah, you're right.

[00:48:00] Like especially because the N64 is kind of infamous for bad

[00:48:03] frame rates and games not running perfectly.

[00:48:06] Yeah, this game was smooth the whole way through.

[00:48:09] I had no issue running this game.

[00:48:11] I mean, I played it on an Everdrive, which, you know,

[00:48:13] is is is ROMs of all these games and stuff.

[00:48:16] But like it worked really well.

[00:48:19] I had no issues with the what's I didn't hit frame rate problems at all.

[00:48:22] I think you're right.

[00:48:23] I don't know if you guys did, but I didn't have any of those kinds of issues

[00:48:26] that the game has a lot going on at points like even like this particular

[00:48:30] instance, the magic carpet area, it's a big expanse of space.

[00:48:35] There's things moving and flying around.

[00:48:37] You're also moving at a pretty pretty high clip.

[00:48:40] Like it pushes the limits of what you could probably do in this.

[00:48:44] And for the most part, the the draw distance is pretty good in this as well.

[00:48:50] I found so for the time, you know, for the time.

[00:48:53] That's about for the time.

[00:48:54] Yeah, not a whole lot.

[00:48:55] I would say I would say one of the reasons why we're getting

[00:49:00] such good performance is there really is a lack of enemies in this game.

[00:49:05] Yeah, there's no there's no AI enemies that really come at and attack you.

[00:49:11] There's the clowns.

[00:49:13] Like they're just kind of nuisances, but they they just show up

[00:49:16] every once in a while here or there.

[00:49:17] Like for the most part, this is a big empty space that you're just moving.

[00:49:21] Rocket. And when you do have an enemy like like one of those flying cars

[00:49:26] or something, it's a flying car.

[00:49:28] There's no animations on it besides it's like moving around in a space,

[00:49:31] you know, yeah, they didn't they didn't really.

[00:49:35] I think it's just it's just for what it is.

[00:49:38] It runs better.

[00:49:40] It's just not pushing all those polygons and that information

[00:49:43] as much as it needs or as much as it would have otherwise.

[00:49:47] Yeah, no, I think you're right.

[00:49:49] Yeah, it also puts a lot more emphasis on the fact that the real

[00:49:52] challenges the platforming, there's no need for like added fluff.

[00:49:56] I think that's what it is, is like they want you to just

[00:49:59] hit up the platforming and that's it.

[00:50:01] You know, this is me trying to explore a level that

[00:50:04] I just can't figure out how to this point.

[00:50:06] You just gave up and you're like, I'm just going to explore now.

[00:50:08] I think I just fell off the level and I was like, all right, well,

[00:50:11] next time I'll just die.

[00:50:14] Yeah, so so that's the other thing is like that actually reminds me

[00:50:16] of a point where I think the respawn and the save stuff in this

[00:50:21] I wrote down as a note.

[00:50:22] So respawning like the game's not easy, but like you fall off

[00:50:26] a stage, for example, in this in this particular one

[00:50:28] where there's no ground, you just fall into the clouds.

[00:50:32] It'll respawn you at the closest sort of quote unquote spawn point

[00:50:36] that you come across or that you are activating.

[00:50:40] And that I find that to be somewhat forgiving.

[00:50:42] Yeah, I think I think that's pretty good.

[00:50:44] Some games don't even do that.

[00:50:46] See, like he's just rolling around when he dies and then he responds.

[00:50:51] So I think I think there's something to that.

[00:50:53] I think that helps a little bit.

[00:50:56] You know, it's quick.

[00:50:57] You respawn, you go to an area and you can just pick up where you left off

[00:51:02] when you die completely, you start at the beginning of the level.

[00:51:04] But for the most part, you can get back to where you were fairly quickly.

[00:51:09] And then the save option doesn't have lives, right?

[00:51:11] It doesn't have lives exactly.

[00:51:13] So you can die 50 times in the first stage if you wanted to.

[00:51:17] And you can just keep going.

[00:51:18] It has a health bar that you can, you know, get pieces to

[00:51:21] to make your health bar larger as the game goes on.

[00:51:23] That's totally fine.

[00:51:25] And then I don't know.

[00:51:26] I wrote this down saying to like sort of think into myself.

[00:51:29] I don't know if this is unique at the time in like 98, 99,

[00:51:33] but a save and quit option.

[00:51:36] Is that is that a thing at this point?

[00:51:40] Like unless you had like a PlayStation with a memory card

[00:51:42] or unless you had the memory card in like save and quit, close the game.

[00:51:46] And then everything is right there.

[00:51:49] And I found that in this game in particular, I don't know why,

[00:51:53] but you could be in the middle of anything.

[00:51:54] You could be in the middle of a of a, you know, the last battle

[00:51:58] or last stage and a really difficult point.

[00:52:01] I could be falling off a cliff about to die.

[00:52:04] I could pause, save and quit, and I can pick up where I left off

[00:52:08] the next time I turned the game on and.

[00:52:11] Everything is safe.

[00:52:12] I didn't lose progress on any stages.

[00:52:14] I didn't lose progress in anything I collected.

[00:52:16] I have everything that I had to that exact moment.

[00:52:20] And maybe I'm making too big of a deal out of it,

[00:52:22] but maybe it's because this game is not super easy.

[00:52:25] It doesn't hold your hand like you guys have said

[00:52:27] that that feels good to me.

[00:52:29] That felt like not a handhold.

[00:52:33] It's not that, but it worked in this game.

[00:52:35] And I think it needed to work.

[00:52:37] Otherwise, it may have been even more frustrating.

[00:52:39] I don't know.

[00:52:40] I wrote that down as a point, whether it actually is a legit

[00:52:43] point or not.

[00:52:43] I don't know.

[00:52:44] You guys can correct me from wrong, but that's what it felt like.

[00:52:47] If this game had lives, it would be a much more frustrating experience.

[00:52:51] I think that would make a difference.

[00:52:53] I think that make a huge difference if it did. Yeah.

[00:52:56] Yeah, you have unlimited lives.

[00:52:58] That's I didn't even realize that at first.

[00:53:00] And then I died like four times in one level, which is really funny

[00:53:04] to me because Sly One has lives, so they kind of reverted.

[00:53:07] Oh, does it really?

[00:53:08] Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah.

[00:53:09] Sly One's also very easy.

[00:53:11] Oh, I don't know that I've played the first one.

[00:53:13] I think I played the other ones, but yeah.

[00:53:16] It's here's a thing.

[00:53:19] The last level.

[00:53:20] OK. Yeah. Generally, generally, I'd say yes,

[00:53:23] you have unlimited lives.

[00:53:25] Everything's fine.

[00:53:26] You just spawn out where you need to spawn out.

[00:53:28] It works great.

[00:53:29] The last level against the boss, against JoJo.

[00:53:35] Freakin' sucks. OK.

[00:53:37] And it doesn't suck because it's bad.

[00:53:39] It sucks because if you if you do, you know what?

[00:53:45] You're like, you do have lives.

[00:53:47] Wait, hang on.

[00:53:49] No, it's not. It's not lives per se.

[00:53:51] Yeah, it's your health.

[00:53:53] It's your health. It's your health.

[00:53:54] If you if you fall off a ledge and you have health,

[00:53:58] you'll spawn up at the top, right?

[00:54:00] Or at the last checkpoint almost.

[00:54:02] Yeah. But if you lose all your health,

[00:54:04] you will have to completely restart.

[00:54:06] Yes. OK.

[00:54:06] In this particular level, at the very least.

[00:54:09] Yes. And this particular level is a lot of platforming,

[00:54:12] a lot of semi-difficult platforming, too difficult.

[00:54:16] Using all your abilities and all those.

[00:54:18] Using all your abilities.

[00:54:19] It's the finale. Yeah.

[00:54:21] I got all the way to the ball,

[00:54:25] which is the very last part of it.

[00:54:27] Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[00:54:29] I fell off the ball.

[00:54:31] And it was my last health.

[00:54:34] I had to completely restart over.

[00:54:36] And that's when I looked up cheat codes

[00:54:39] and I got called out of my video.

[00:54:41] They're like low gravity cheat.

[00:54:42] I'm like, heck, yeah.

[00:54:44] I was like, I'm not ashamed to say that.

[00:54:48] You put the low gravity cheat on.

[00:54:49] I think I also put super jump.

[00:54:51] I did like everything I could.

[00:54:52] I'm like, I'm just bypassing.

[00:54:54] I did this level the right way.

[00:54:55] I am bypassing it.

[00:54:57] So I went in and I jumped and I'm like,

[00:55:00] whoo.

[00:55:03] I'm like halfway to the end of one jump.

[00:55:05] Like this will work. This will work.

[00:55:08] It's fine. There's nothing wrong with that.

[00:55:10] Like, you know, if you got as far as you did as well,

[00:55:13] this part of it and also like,

[00:55:15] are you still playing the game and enjoying it?

[00:55:17] Yes, it's fine.

[00:55:18] Just it is what it is.

[00:55:19] I wanted to finish it.

[00:55:20] I was committed at that.

[00:55:21] You were right there.

[00:55:22] You're right there.

[00:55:23] I was so irritated.

[00:55:24] I was like, come on.

[00:55:26] So that was I don't often break out the cheat codes,

[00:55:29] but I did for this game.

[00:55:30] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:55:32] I like the final boss just because it's different

[00:55:35] because there's so many final bosses in this era

[00:55:37] that the boss is so boring and just like generic

[00:55:40] like Mario 64.

[00:55:42] I love that game, but the Bowser fights are just

[00:55:45] at the levels are interesting than the boss fight.

[00:55:47] Oh yeah. Yeah.

[00:55:48] I agree for sure.

[00:55:50] And I kind of like that they made they just kind of

[00:55:53] Jojo's not really even a boss.

[00:55:54] He just he's more of a thing in the background

[00:55:56] and the actual boss is the level itself.

[00:55:58] Yeah, totally.

[00:55:59] Staying true to the game.

[00:56:01] Yes. That's what it is.

[00:56:02] Yeah, I will say too, like even with elements

[00:56:04] like that particular part of the game,

[00:56:07] I don't know how he did it.

[00:56:08] Man, maybe I was just like in a groove that day

[00:56:10] that I did it without the codes,

[00:56:11] but I can completely understand wanting to have low gravity

[00:56:15] and like 100 percent that it is.

[00:56:18] You just went full send.

[00:56:19] Yeah, you went full send.

[00:56:20] Yeah, I went full send and.

[00:56:26] Do you go full send in one way?

[00:56:27] I went full send in the other way.

[00:56:28] Either way, full send.

[00:56:31] It was I could totally see it,

[00:56:33] but I do think that like when it comes to the platform,

[00:56:37] my favorite parts at first,

[00:56:38] I had a hard time sort of wrap my head around it.

[00:56:40] Maybe it's because without the double jump

[00:56:42] or maybe it's because I just wasn't used to it yet,

[00:56:44] but I do really like the swinging.

[00:56:47] I thought when you when you have like six of them in a row,

[00:56:51] I just like the whole whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, and this

[00:56:54] and just like jump grab, jump grab.

[00:56:57] I think that momentum really works to me.

[00:57:01] I felt the groove of what sucker punch was doing with that.

[00:57:05] And those ones work pretty much every time for me.

[00:57:08] Is it perfect every single time they implement them?

[00:57:11] No, but I think that when you when I once

[00:57:14] I got used to it, especially a couple of stages in

[00:57:17] and it's just the right amount of difficulty,

[00:57:20] I found that I really enjoyed it

[00:57:22] and look forward to more of those.

[00:57:25] I think it's the second or third stage

[00:57:27] and sort of underground one that we were looking at before

[00:57:30] when to open up where the machine parts are

[00:57:34] and it gives you that area.

[00:57:35] There's things spinning and you're going up, you're going down.

[00:57:39] There's this thing spinning vertically and horizontally.

[00:57:41] And it's like really the first time

[00:57:43] that a lot of that more complicated stuff happens.

[00:57:46] And I thought that was like a ton of fun.

[00:57:48] And I was like, oh, I get it now.

[00:57:50] I get it. It's something that a sucker punch is just like known for.

[00:57:54] Yeah, like a spank because they're still doing this even

[00:57:57] maybe not so much goes to Tushima

[00:57:58] because that's very much its own thing. Different game.

[00:58:00] Yeah. Yeah. In infamous in particular,

[00:58:03] like one of my favorite parts of that game is like

[00:58:05] when you unlock more powers as coal, you can legit jump off

[00:58:09] like the top of buildings and like electric glide over

[00:58:12] like electrical wires and then jump in the air and hover

[00:58:14] those are so onto another one, onto another wire

[00:58:17] and just like keep the momentum going.

[00:58:19] And it's all stuff that I kind of can see

[00:58:21] like the original budding in like this game in particular.

[00:58:24] Yeah, yeah, I could see that. Yeah, yeah.

[00:58:26] I think I think I had like that kind of like parkourish platforming.

[00:58:30] Oh, especially those games.

[00:58:32] Yeah. And the walking across the wires and you know,

[00:58:35] all that kind of stuff. Yeah.

[00:58:37] I didn't realize this until now. I just looked it up.

[00:58:41] The game. I mean, this is Nintendo Power.

[00:58:44] It's not based on sales.

[00:58:45] But even I mean, I know Nintendo Power is kind of like a, you know,

[00:58:48] a marketing ploy for Nintendo games in some ways at that time.

[00:58:53] But they rated it as the 18th best and 64 game.

[00:58:57] That's just interesting because it was very unknown.

[00:59:00] Yeah. At the time.

[00:59:01] And that was in their 20th anniversary issue,

[00:59:06] which I think would have been around this time around in 99.

[00:59:10] So I'd like to see this list.

[00:59:12] I'm going to I should look it up. Yeah.

[00:59:14] But wait, there's some interesting games above. Yes.

[00:59:18] OK. Yeah. This was late.

[00:59:19] This was before the console was still out.

[00:59:22] I'm sure there was OK.

[00:59:23] I'm sure there was lots of lots of other games that were not out yet, for sure.

[00:59:30] And I wanted to guess, Bill, did you guys do roller coaster Tycoon?

[00:59:33] Yes. Oh, this is it right here.

[00:59:35] I have a video of it. Perfect timing. Perfect timing.

[00:59:38] I did this one and it was I think I I did one where I collected like the tokens

[00:59:43] and then I made another one that did the all the numbers where I could get

[00:59:47] the the actual ticket itself.

[00:59:49] I thought this was going to be a bigger thing in this game.

[00:59:52] Like no, it's it's very early on and they kind of forget about it.

[00:59:55] Yeah. Yeah. It was like it was like one of those things

[00:59:57] when people talk about this game, they show this clip.

[01:00:00] Yes, they show the roller coaster.

[01:00:02] When you see a trailer, you see the roller coaster.

[01:00:04] It's on the freaking game cover.

[01:00:07] There's the roller coaster in the back and you think it's going to play

[01:00:10] a major factor in this game.

[01:00:11] It's the first level and then it never shows up again. Yeah.

[01:00:15] And it's cool. I liked it.

[01:00:16] I wish I could have built more roller coasters.

[01:00:19] Yeah. Oh, so I feel the one that I'm that we're watching right now

[01:00:22] that I built, I built the loop to loop like by accident.

[01:00:24] And I was like, I'm just going to try and see if I have no momentum

[01:00:27] and see if it works. And it did. I was like, fuck yeah.

[01:00:29] Yeah. Basically, if anyone is again, if anyone isn't watching what it is,

[01:00:32] is you go to an area at a theme park and it lets you build a roller coaster,

[01:00:38] but you have to take momentum into play here where you have to make sure

[01:00:41] you go high and make sure that rocket goes down on the roller coaster

[01:00:45] in order to go back up again and collect five points

[01:00:48] that will give you your ticket in it.

[01:00:51] But, you know, you can do loops and you can do, you know,

[01:00:54] some zigzags or whatever and stuff like that.

[01:00:57] But it's basically just gives you like this little rectangular area

[01:01:01] to build your own roller coaster.

[01:01:02] And it's kind of cool.

[01:01:04] It kind of pulls out in like a separate little like mini menu almost.

[01:01:07] It looks like and you just kind of use a joystick and the A and B buttons

[01:01:10] to create new like a new little like roller coaster.

[01:01:14] You can do whatever you want for the most part within that confined space.

[01:01:17] And I liked it. I thought that was kind of fun.

[01:01:19] I thought it was it was cool.

[01:01:21] I wish I wish it came back, though. I agree.

[01:01:24] Yeah, it happens once and then never again.

[01:01:26] I know it makes sense.

[01:01:28] You're in like a theme park. OK, get it.

[01:01:29] But like, I don't know, maybe the maybe do like some other kind of track.

[01:01:34] I don't know, figure it out.

[01:01:34] Like there's got to be a way that you can you can do.

[01:01:36] Well, they have the mine cart, the mine cart.

[01:01:39] Yeah, level. Yeah.

[01:01:40] And that you don't build that track.

[01:01:42] I know it's there.

[01:01:43] And in fact, they actually take you off the track for like half of it.

[01:01:46] Multiple times. Yeah.

[01:01:47] Yeah. Like, come on. Yeah.

[01:01:51] I wonder if it was like a memory thing

[01:01:53] because in 64 games lack of memory at the time.

[01:01:56] Yeah, that's true. That's true.

[01:01:57] That could have been part. I mean, it's always always feels like that's

[01:02:01] that's pretty much an issue almost across the board.

[01:02:05] It feels like with these larger games.

[01:02:06] And again, not again, but that reminds me,

[01:02:10] it's not a really long game,

[01:02:13] but there's a lot to do in this and there's a lot to collapse,

[01:02:15] whether whether you get everything, get the true ending

[01:02:18] or the full ending or not, there's a lot there's a lot to do here.

[01:02:22] And I think there's a lot to master as well.

[01:02:25] It's not an easy game,

[01:02:28] but it is something that you can definitely get the feel of.

[01:02:30] And the more and more you play it,

[01:02:32] I think the more and more you feel like confident

[01:02:35] in being able to do these platforming sections.

[01:02:38] When I was looking up sort of reviews of it and stuff,

[01:02:40] I want to find where exactly what it said.

[01:02:42] OK, this is a review that happened at the time.

[01:02:46] I don't know what next gen is.

[01:02:47] I don't know if that's like a magazine, a magazine, I believe.

[01:02:50] Magazine, I guess at the time.

[01:02:51] This person, Doug Truman, wrote,

[01:02:54] it's an attractive, almost anti-violent 3D puzzler

[01:02:58] with graphics intended for kids, but with some puzzles

[01:03:02] whose level of challenge is more appropriate for adults.

[01:03:06] And I think that is perfectly on point.

[01:03:08] Yeah, I think that is a great way to sum this up.

[01:03:12] I don't think any of that's a negative,

[01:03:14] but it is something to be aware of, I think,

[01:03:16] if you're going to go into this game and you haven't played it before.

[01:03:18] I think there's lots of fun to be had here.

[01:03:21] It's just you have to be ready to not play

[01:03:24] the same 3D platformer that you're used to

[01:03:27] because it is not like the others.

[01:03:31] I think that's honestly one of the reasons why it stands out nowadays

[01:03:35] is just that compared to like a lot of the other platforms on N64,

[01:03:39] this one really feels like its own thing.

[01:03:45] Yeah, it is and absolutely is, I think.

[01:03:48] Oh, yeah, I wrote down the JoJo the Raccoon, looks like Sly Cooper.

[01:03:52] Yeah, I think so.

[01:03:55] I had a good time with this game.

[01:03:56] I think once I got the hang of it,

[01:03:58] I was really gelling with the momentum of it.

[01:04:01] I was really gelling with the platforming.

[01:04:04] Yes, I didn't like some areas of it,

[01:04:07] but none of these games are really all that perfect

[01:04:08] when it comes to that stuff in my opinion.

[01:04:10] But I'm happy I played it.

[01:04:11] Like this is a game that was not on my radar whatsoever,

[01:04:15] especially growing up as a kid,

[01:04:16] interestingly enough, I feel like if I knew what this is

[01:04:19] or tried it at a friend's place,

[01:04:20] I would have definitely gone out and got this and been like,

[01:04:23] this is cool. It's different.

[01:04:24] It's 3D platformer.

[01:04:26] It's got cool music.

[01:04:28] I like the music, even though it's quite repetitive.

[01:04:30] I think the music's pretty good for the most part,

[01:04:32] other than the camera movements like Jiggy mentioned,

[01:04:35] the sound effects are pretty decent, I think.

[01:04:38] But yeah, I enjoyed this game.

[01:04:41] I think Rocket Robot on Wheels is worth your time

[01:04:45] just be prepared for some more challenge than you may expect.

[01:04:49] Jiggy, what about you, man? What do you think?

[01:04:51] Sort of final thoughts?

[01:04:53] I think this game...

[01:04:55] I did a thorough analysis of it on my YouTube channel.

[01:04:59] And I think that it was overhyped for me on my Discord.

[01:05:04] Like people wanted me to play this game

[01:05:07] and I'd never played it

[01:05:08] and I actually found it at a game store near me

[01:05:13] and it was...

[01:05:15] I think I paid $80 for it, but I didn't really care

[01:05:19] because that's pretty standard.

[01:05:21] It's pretty around the mark of where it sits.

[01:05:24] It actually might be on the low end for a cartridge.

[01:05:28] Crazy.

[01:05:29] Yeah, which is pretty nuts.

[01:05:31] But I don't regret playing through it.

[01:05:33] I think it's fun.

[01:05:34] I think realistically, you look at it up,

[01:05:37] I think they say like six, seven hours of gameplay time for this.

[01:05:41] I would say I probably sat around ten.

[01:05:43] Yeah, same.

[01:05:45] I think it's a solid game.

[01:05:49] It's just different.

[01:05:50] It's just not what I'm used to and it's challenging.

[01:05:54] It's fun.

[01:05:56] I don't regret playing it.

[01:05:58] I think people would like it

[01:05:59] and especially if you are looking for an N64 game

[01:06:02] that's a 3D platformer, but maybe just...

[01:06:05] It's a little fresh, right?

[01:06:07] It's fresh.

[01:06:08] It feels different.

[01:06:09] It feels totally different than anything else on the 64.

[01:06:12] I can't say that and I'll give it some props for that.

[01:06:16] I think baseline, it's okay to good in my book.

[01:06:21] Sure.

[01:06:22] Okay to good.

[01:06:23] Yeah.

[01:06:24] Bill would say it's the greatest game of all...

[01:06:26] No, so what's for you is this one of the...

[01:06:31] You mentioned it a little bit early.

[01:06:33] We talked about it, but this is pretty much right up there

[01:06:36] as far as platformers go, especially in this era or this console.

[01:06:40] So I didn't grow...

[01:06:41] Like I said earlier, I didn't grow up with a lot of the classic N64 platformers

[01:06:45] so I came into this with a much different mindset.

[01:06:47] Right.

[01:06:48] Compared to anyone who grew up with an N64 at the time.

[01:06:51] Yep.

[01:06:52] And to me, the best way to describe this game is it's creative.

[01:06:57] It is by far one of the most...

[01:07:01] I want to say ambitious and probably unique platformers on N64,

[01:07:06] which is interesting to me because the N64 had a lot of unique and original platformers,

[01:07:13] but it also had a lot that basically copied Mario 64.

[01:07:16] Yeah, yeah.

[01:07:17] Oh yeah.

[01:07:18] And I think this one to me is special to me just in the fact that it is basically

[01:07:25] the bare bones of what would become like Sucker Punch's legacy over at Sony

[01:07:31] with their incredibly creative and uniquely ambitious platformers

[01:07:37] that are full of charm and they just feel different than the rest.

[01:07:41] Say, moving on to their future stuff with Sly Cooper.

[01:07:46] I still think out of Sony's Big 3 platformers,

[01:07:48] Sly Cooper was the best pure platformer of the three

[01:07:52] compared to like Jack and Daxter and Ratchet and Clank,

[01:07:55] which had their own strengths in different ways.

[01:07:57] Sure.

[01:07:58] Yeah.

[01:07:59] And this is like you mentioned earlier,

[01:08:01] this is very foundational for what they did and everything,

[01:08:04] which is great.

[01:08:05] You can see a lot of the DNA of what to me is Sucker Punch Productions in this game.

[01:08:11] Yeah.

[01:08:12] Yeah, it's all there and I think you're right.

[01:08:17] I think this is a special game because of what they tried to do.

[01:08:21] And I do think that that is not to say like, oh, they tried to do it

[01:08:25] and they failed completely.

[01:08:26] They didn't.

[01:08:27] I think there's a lot.

[01:08:28] No, it's not a failure by any means.

[01:08:29] Yeah.

[01:08:30] No way.

[01:08:31] Yeah, exactly.

[01:08:32] Camera controls better than Kroc.

[01:08:35] That's what you can say on that.

[01:08:37] Better than most N64 platformers.

[01:08:40] Yeah.

[01:08:41] It still weren't made by Nintendo.

[01:08:43] Yeah.

[01:08:44] Yeah.

[01:08:45] And that's the thing too.

[01:08:46] Like, yeah, it's different if you are Nintendo 100 percent.

[01:08:49] It's a different.

[01:08:50] Yeah.

[01:08:51] Yeah, this I'm happy that that I sort of like semi stumbled upon this thanks to

[01:08:57] you guys.

[01:08:58] So I agree.

[01:09:00] I think it's a really fun game.

[01:09:01] It's definitely worth definitely worth playing for sure.

[01:09:04] If these 3D platformers are up your alley, like I do think that it is one

[01:09:08] of those titles that makes makes a pretty good effort of doing something

[01:09:12] different.

[01:09:13] And I think that is definitely something that that needs to be experienced.

[01:09:16] I think so.

[01:09:17] So though before we wrap up, do you guys want to hear some fun rocket

[01:09:22] references and later sucker punch games?

[01:09:25] Yes.

[01:09:26] Absolutely.

[01:09:27] 100 percent.

[01:09:28] So similar to how like sucker punch likes to reference their older

[01:09:30] games and their newer games, like how in infamous, Cole McGrath had a

[01:09:36] slight Cooper patch on his backpack.

[01:09:39] Oh yeah.

[01:09:40] There was a poster for Sly 4 at the movie theater.

[01:09:43] An interesting thing is in Sly Cooper 2, there is a grave marker in, I believe

[01:09:49] Paris that says Riv rocket.

[01:09:51] Oh what?

[01:09:52] Really?

[01:09:53] And I believe it says like the year the game came out.

[01:09:56] Nice.

[01:09:57] There was also there was also a room in Sly 2 where it's one of the

[01:10:02] levels.

[01:10:03] I forget the one exactly, but if you destroy all the items and like

[01:10:06] furniture in the room and then you stand on this one platform,

[01:10:09] the game will zoom into the center of the room and 3D models like new

[01:10:13] models of rocket and Jojo will appear in the center that you can look at.

[01:10:17] What?

[01:10:18] Interesting.

[01:10:19] Just a little fun little thing that sucker punch threw in there just to

[01:10:23] see if people could find it.

[01:10:25] That's great.

[01:10:26] That seems like super, like that one in particular would be like tough

[01:10:30] to sort of stumble upon sort of thing.

[01:10:32] And then also in their recent they did their big like I think it was

[01:10:35] like they're either 25th or I want to say 25th anniversary.

[01:10:39] They did like this big, they did a big poster celebrating their

[01:10:43] basically the games that they made.

[01:10:45] And of course it had Sly infamous and goes to Shima on it, but it

[01:10:48] also had rocket and Jojo in the corner, which was a nice touch.

[01:10:52] Nice.

[01:10:53] That's good.

[01:10:54] That's good.

[01:10:55] It's it is one of those games that seems to be a little bit

[01:10:57] forgotten whether it's on the 64 or whether it's from the

[01:11:00] studio and stuff.

[01:11:01] Or at least it's not at the forefront of people's mind and

[01:11:04] stuff.

[01:11:05] So at least they're they're still saying like, Hey, we did this

[01:11:07] thing.

[01:11:08] I hope people remember number 18 baby.

[01:11:10] Yeah, it's also never been re-released, which is one of the

[01:11:13] other reasons why it's kind of got this mystique to it.

[01:11:16] I think I think they could they could find a way to

[01:11:19] re-release this and you know, maybe it's maybe it's not

[01:11:22] it's got to be a licensing issue.

[01:11:24] That's probably the Ubisoft and stuff is probably probably a

[01:11:28] problem.

[01:11:29] I would assume there's something to it with that.

[01:11:32] But sometimes it's small things.

[01:11:34] Sometimes it's music, sometimes it's character designs.

[01:11:36] And that you know, there's usually something there.

[01:11:39] But you know, maybe you don't have to pay $8200 to play

[01:11:44] the game and stuff.

[01:11:45] Hopefully not everyone has to.

[01:11:47] But if you have a chance to pick up a copy or you have a

[01:11:50] chance to experience this game, I think it's worth it.

[01:11:52] I think it's a good game.

[01:11:53] I think Rocket Robot on wheels is something that people

[01:11:55] should try and and as I usually say for people that

[01:12:00] bring in bring games, I'm going to say to both you guys.

[01:12:02] Thanks for bringing this game more to my attention because

[01:12:05] I'm happy I played it.

[01:12:06] If not perfect still a good time and still something that

[01:12:10] I'm happy I played.

[01:12:11] So before we get out of here, Bill, let's talk about your

[01:12:14] stuff online and all the expanding shows that you

[01:12:18] keep doing and all that.

[01:12:20] Let's let's chat about your work.

[01:12:22] Yeah, so I think the last time I was on it was mostly

[01:12:25] still just GNC.

[01:12:26] I think 3DO existed, but it wasn't active at the time.

[01:12:30] I think you were like just kicking it off.

[01:12:32] Yeah.

[01:12:33] Well, because I did the original three episodes and then

[01:12:37] it went on hiatus for good half a year just because

[01:12:41] of logistical reasons.

[01:12:42] Yeah.

[01:12:43] But yeah, so my three shows I currently have.

[01:12:46] My main show is Gaming and Collecting that is a

[01:12:50] gaming and anime based nostalgia podcast I do with

[01:12:52] my sister Alex where we talk about a whole bunch of

[01:12:54] different games, anime just different stuff from our

[01:12:57] child as we also talk about some modern stuff every

[01:12:59] now and then.

[01:13:00] My second show is the 3DO experience which may or may

[01:13:04] not have been inspired by this podcast.

[01:13:06] Yes.

[01:13:07] It is a retrospective podcast talking about the

[01:13:12] Panasonic well the 3DO console which was famously

[01:13:15] made by Panasonic and it's essentially a show where

[01:13:18] me and my co-host Thrak we go over either the games

[01:13:21] we talk about some of the developers or we talk

[01:13:23] about the company behind it, the console basically

[01:13:25] everything in between kind of given sort of a

[01:13:28] retrospective of this very obscure console from

[01:13:30] the 90s.

[01:13:32] It is honestly I know almost nothing about this

[01:13:35] console about these games.

[01:13:37] It was something that would like I knew existed

[01:13:39] when I was younger but didn't really know anything

[01:13:41] about and still don't.

[01:13:42] I have learned more in just a few episodes of

[01:13:45] the podcast than I ever have leading up to

[01:13:47] this point.

[01:13:48] So if the three even if you never even if you

[01:13:50] don't have any experience with the 3DO like me it is

[01:13:53] worth a lesson because it is very cool and

[01:13:55] interesting.

[01:13:56] Obviously you guys put on a good show so I highly

[01:13:58] recommend it.

[01:13:59] Thanks.

[01:14:00] And then my final show this one recently started

[01:14:03] it's more of a spin-off than a new podcast it

[01:14:06] releases in the GNC feed directly but I do a

[01:14:09] third show called Geek Addicts which is a

[01:14:12] pop culture podcast I do with my friend Matt

[01:14:14] and we basically just talk about all sorts of

[01:14:16] pop culture things like gaming, anime, comics,

[01:14:18] books all sorts of stuff like once a week just

[01:14:21] it's most the best way to describe it is just

[01:14:23] two buddies like shoot the shit for an hour

[01:14:25] every week.

[01:14:26] Love it.

[01:14:27] Love it.

[01:14:28] All that stuff on podcast feeds.

[01:14:30] Jiggy what about you man?

[01:14:32] What's what's happening on the I mean you did

[01:14:34] you did something in Rocket Robot on Wheels

[01:14:36] what's happening at the at the YouTube

[01:14:38] page?

[01:14:39] Oh so much is happening on the YouTube

[01:14:41] page.

[01:14:42] I just feel like I've they've been pumping

[01:14:44] stuff out.

[01:14:45] You have been.

[01:14:46] Just put out just put out and analyzing

[01:14:48] everything about Earthworm Gym 1 and 2 a

[01:14:51] little retrospective playing through

[01:14:54] those and those those are those are very

[01:14:56] hard well not Earthworm Gym 2 but Earthworm

[01:14:59] Gym 1 very hard.

[01:15:00] Yes.

[01:15:01] A very unforgiving but it was a lot of fun

[01:15:04] and I love it and so I got that I got

[01:15:07] a big I'm super excited I think I

[01:15:09] mentioned it a while back but the

[01:15:11] mapping at the Rare Rare Universe

[01:15:13] video I've been working on going to

[01:15:15] have a special guest on it.

[01:15:17] It's going to be super cool super pump

[01:15:19] for that one I'm just waiting for the

[01:15:21] guest to finish their part but it's

[01:15:23] going to be something really special

[01:15:24] if you love Diddy Kong Racing,

[01:15:26] Banjo-Kazooie any Rare Rare Game

[01:15:28] basically of all time it's going to be

[01:15:31] represented in some way there so

[01:15:33] I'm super stoked for that but yeah

[01:15:35] it's been been a lot of fun it's

[01:15:37] been a wild ride.

[01:15:38] Yeah just keeps growing.

[01:15:39] Yeah you're plugging away man this

[01:15:41] stuff is awesome Rocket Robot on

[01:15:43] Wheels as well if you want to

[01:15:44] know a little bit more about that

[01:15:46] from Jiggy and breaking things down

[01:15:48] from gameplay to music to sound to

[01:15:50] all of that stuff you hear a little

[01:15:52] bit more about that on his YouTube

[01:15:54] page and as always.

[01:15:55] I want to address something.

[01:15:56] Yes please do.

[01:15:57] I want to address something.

[01:15:58] Rocket Robot on Wheels

[01:16:00] plural okay it's real

[01:16:02] but I want to defend it

[01:16:04] okay because.

[01:16:05] I never even thought about that

[01:16:07] until you said this by the way.

[01:16:08] I feel like I've seen people

[01:16:10] point it out and be like it's

[01:16:12] not wheels not wheels right

[01:16:14] but he does drive a lot of vehicles.

[01:16:16] Oh that's true.

[01:16:18] Yeah and he does it like

[01:16:20] so many vehicles without the game

[01:16:21] so I'm defending wheels as

[01:16:23] the proper title so.

[01:16:24] That's it.

[01:16:25] That's it Rocket Robot on

[01:16:27] Wheel just sounds bad.

[01:16:28] Sounds bad.

[01:16:29] Yeah.

[01:16:30] Or like Unicycle Robot

[01:16:32] like it just wouldn't quite work

[01:16:34] yeah.

[01:16:35] Rocket the circus robot.

[01:16:37] Yeah right I mean

[01:16:39] but then that just doesn't sound

[01:16:40] as appealing you know like it just

[01:16:42] doesn't yeah.

[01:16:43] Rocket cycle bot.

[01:16:44] It's like yeah.

[01:16:45] Okay I'm done.

[01:16:46] No no it's good.

[01:16:47] You know what I literally never

[01:16:49] even thought about it until you

[01:16:50] said that.

[01:16:51] Well that's a good thing or not

[01:16:52] about it.

[01:16:53] Yeah I don't know if that's a

[01:16:54] good thing that I never thought

[01:16:55] about it but.

[01:16:56] Yeah go play this game.

[01:16:57] Don't think about it.

[01:16:58] Don't think about it just play

[01:16:59] it.

[01:17:00] Yeah I just subscribed so.

[01:17:02] Word.

[01:17:03] Yeah there we go.

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[01:17:45] Jiggy bill thanks for being

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