Geek Addicts - Episode 30: Let's Talk About Naruto Part 2!

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[00:00:46] My name is Matt with me, his signature move, the talk note you'd do. Bill Barber, how you doing, Bill? I'm not sure if in reality I'd say I agree with that because I don't really talk as much as I do on the podcast reality.

[00:00:59] But yeah, but to do three podcasts a week plus guest appearances so I think they're qualified. I'm doing good. I'm doing all right. We're currently in the middle of a 3-day long weekend which is really nice because I needed it.

[00:01:19] Yeah, same. I'm really happy about it. We're taking the kiddies to the zoo tomorrow because my work gives free passes. I'm very summer. So yeah, that's going to be pretty cool. It's been a while since I've been to the zoo.

[00:01:31] Actually, you know what? I think the last time was when Cindy was pregnant with Francis. He went for San Jose birthday but that was the one I'm profanant.

[00:01:39] Yeah, so I'm learning constantly that buying a being a first time home buyer. You start learning a lot of things as you go along. And I'm learning now that obviously the previous owners didn't replace batteries on anything in the house. Like ever.

[00:01:57] Yeah. So I've been like slowly changing light bulbs out like getting like everything replaced and I've started realizing now like anything that had a battery in it was never changed.

[00:02:08] So like the I'm sleep. I'm like dead asleep in the middle of night and then the smoke detector in my bedroom. The battery finally died on it. So it just starts giving out this piercing shriek.

[00:02:21] And every five, every minute and I'm just like are you kidding me? It's like the middle of the night trying to sleep. So I have to get up like get a ladder to like get the thing down and then I have to like open it up.

[00:02:33] And of course it's a nine bull. So I've got to go find an nine bull battery. Oh, yeah. Well, apologies in the top of the episode. The past couple days have been dealing with a cough.

[00:02:46] It's not nearly as bad as the one that I had before but it's going to it's going to re-retend every now and then throughout the recording was likely. So.

[00:02:57] Which is actually kind of funny because they just started listening to earlier today. I started listening to the most recent episode that you put out of G and C and Alex has talked about how she had a cop do was like, oh yeah. It's going away.

[00:03:08] She was like dying. She's like, I have to go to a doctor and I'm just like, yeah, do that. She goes to the doctor and they're like, no, it's just fucking bad allergies. That's all it is. I'm just like. Good to know I guess.

[00:03:21] That's what I'm pretty sure it is for me too, because we've been getting a bit of a heat wave. At least for me.

[00:03:29] So obviously like we get like a bunch of rain and then we get like a week of 70 to 80 degree weather actually this week was like 85 a week. Today's the first day. It's really dropped. And it's still in the 70s. It gets like 80 to day.

[00:03:48] Between all the rain and then all the sunshine is, you know, all the all the plants are doing their things. So. Yeah. Yep. It's like Paul never really like Paul never really affected me that way when I was younger. Now it's just awful every year.

[00:04:05] There was a study going around that like you can like be immune to it like her like all of your life and then just one day it'll suddenly just hit you and then you're just suddenly have allergies.

[00:04:14] All of you's a weird like that. Like my mother and law when I when I first met my wife. And we started dating and stuff. She was like deadly allergic to peanuts. Another allergy has just gone. Yeah. She can get a lot of all day now.

[00:04:30] It's bizarre like it'll just like some people like it'll just hit them years later and other people will just go away.

[00:04:36] I really hope that it has never happened to me with poison ivy because poison I've never been allergic to poison ivy and I really hope that it doesn't turn. Not on wood. Yeah. That's better than being allergic to sulfur not being able to light matches. So.

[00:04:53] I hear you hear a little bit of sulfur. Yeah. It's. If I light a match it like blocks my nose up and I like can't breathe for shit really a day it's bad. Oh. Grillitis. Yep. Not a little weird analogy. That's besides. No.

[00:05:13] It's better to be allergic to grass. Yeah. That's a little bit of a allergic to grass. That sucks. Or you get bit by that tick that like makes you allergic to meat. Yeah. I put like three of them off in the yesterdays.

[00:05:25] And I didn't even go on the grass. I don't know where the hell they came from. Yeah. I've had lime disease. It's not fun. I've had a madden. Um. But yeah.

[00:05:36] Unfortunately, it didn't get the play as much persona last week because I was hoping but I have made some progress. I unlocked the the sauna dungeon. Oh, the best one of the best ones. Yeah. I'll see you. You've encountered. I'm. I'm. I'm. Yeah. Is it in between?

[00:05:54] You think he's just like the you know the usual punk kind of kid and like as soon as like an actually started like kind of like the character sort of interacting with him a little bit. I'm like, oh, I know what his thing is.

[00:06:06] I don't exactly where this is going. I'm not going to spoil it but I will say congees. Very interesting character that there's a lot of interpretation around him. That's fair.

[00:06:16] Well, I mean, there's not a whole lot of imagination once you get into the dungeon or even see him in the midnight channel. Um. I'm not going to spoil it. But I'll I'll I'll I'll just like like you know it's there. It's a bit deeper than it sounds.

[00:06:34] Fair enough. So I just don't consult the internet on that dungeon because oh boys. Oh boy. No, geez. Um. No, well, this game of the trying to avoid.

[00:06:47] Oh, a void of what walked yours and stuff as much as I can unless it's like a specific mechanic that I need to like try and figure out how to work. Which, um, I'm starting to get more and more the hang of like the social links and stuff.

[00:06:58] I kind of have just been focusing on GA right now because she's my brawler so I want her staff to go. That's fair. But. It's happened that. Um, I'm just going through the sauna right now. I'm only like the fourth forism. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Just that's a fun.

[00:07:20] Yeah. And it's the worst. Doesn't help to talk in this review. I finally gave in and put the AC on. You know, sex is I. I recorded my grandmother's house. I've mentioned before. See, as she has central AC just apparently not in this room. That's a bummer. No.

[00:07:45] Oh, what are you going to do on the nurse of beer? Yes, I've been that. New Stephen came book came out this week and go crazy with that. I'm already like almost halfway through it. Yeah. So you look at short stories. Cool.

[00:08:08] I saw the last the last episode of the sandland came out dubbed. So I'm going to finally sit down and watch that at some point this weekend. Nice. I was waiting for that. I'll probably do that this week. Yeah, and then I get to find it.

[00:08:22] I got to watch. I'm. Zalm 100 because Alex wants to do an anime swap on it. So. Hmm. We're going to make her watch. Sandland or. Okay. I will. I was watching it for our episode.

[00:08:37] I was like this would be a good episode for anime swap and I told Alex to watch it. It's like the perfect life 12 episodes. Hmm. Yeah, so I'm going to watch it. Yeah, no, but. Yeah, no, it was. I really enjoyed. Yeah, what I've watched so far.

[00:08:51] I got to finish the second arc. But that'll be for another time. Hmm. Oh, yeah. Um. So I've not finished whole cake island. Finally. And yes. Started the. Start at the. The. The. The. Oh, nice. Now give me one second.

[00:09:14] I'm just going to go on a pop drop. Hopefully that. Yeah, I'll. Anyways. Um. So yeah, not much. Spingo and on it's just been a. Been a long week finally. Sometimes there relax. That's all I'll say. It's been an interesting week.

[00:09:31] I don't even know what day it was. But there was one day that was like. Like it started out nice and then it started like downpouring and thundering. And then it was nice again, and then I went back out on break. The next break. It was raining again.

[00:09:44] It's like what is even going on today. It sounded like Thursday. Thursday was pretty. Hmm. Thursday was up there. I was in the heat treating room for that. The entire day. So I got to watch it happen as I was playing with fire. Oh, there you go. Yeah.

[00:09:59] Oh, man. Um, lost my train of thought for a minute. Oh yeah, the um, the paper Mario 1000 year door remake came out this week. Oh, yeah. My copy is delayed till next week, but like I was going to have time to play it.

[00:10:21] I'm looking forward to that one though. It's say, one of the best Mario RPGs ever made honestly. Zalad. I haven't played very many of those. I think actually, I don't know if I've played any Mario RPGs.

[00:10:36] There, there hit her miss like the the remake of the original Mario RPG that just came out was really good. Um, the Mario on the wiggie series is really good. The first three anyways. And then the first three paper Mario's are really good.

[00:10:52] The Mario on the wiggie ones are on the um, this was on mine, right? So only the first one is on the Game Boy Advance. Um, switch online. Hmm. The other two were DS games. Gotcha. I might have those on that like emulator chip thing I have.

[00:11:13] You might have her partners in Diamond Bowser's and said story and they honestly should be on there. Fair enough. Oh yeah. So heading back to our topic then I guess. I don't know. Yes, restarting where we left off.

[00:11:36] Um, so we left out. I believe at the end of the tuning exam last time. Yes. I don't say. So we not jumping into like the, you know, the fine sonate arc, fine the 5th of Cagag.

[00:11:50] Um, this pretty much kicks off immediately with it's hatchy showing up, which is like a huge reveal of the time. Yeah. He was still villain at this point. It's probably one. Yeah.

[00:12:02] Yeah, he was like um, like he had been alluded to a couple of times throughout like there've been a couple of points for South. He would mention him in passing kind of but like, I think you're one of the first ones.

[00:12:15] Suscared have one of his little emo moments in the corner. Yeah. No kidding. You know, it's so funny. We're watching the show. He was so over the top at times. Oh my god. Oh yeah. For sure.

[00:12:29] Like watching it with my wife right now, like I'm seeing it all. And like I thought this guy was cool when I was a kid. Yeah. I mean he's better in a ship who didn't later on, but I might go out and you're going to.

[00:12:42] Until he sucks again. Well, he's got that care. Proper different moves on. Yeah. He is such a little cringe alert though, and the original series. For real. But yeah, like what was your first thoughts about meeting Etachi and and Kisa May when you

[00:13:03] When you watched at the first time? I just remember that being like oh shit, another uh, uh, Uccia and oh my god. He's actually like threatening like what the fuck. Um, yeah. That first encounter is pretty awesome though because it like really shows like how intimidating

[00:13:21] the the Sharon gone actually kind of could be. Oh yeah, for sure. Like when they first revealed the the suki yomi. Like the whole concept of having like like trapping somebody in the space time that in the real world

[00:13:35] There's only like a second, but you're trapped in there for like days. Just being tortured over and over like one glance into his eye and you're in a coma like you're done.

[00:13:46] Especially if you learn the uh some of the when we get even farther into his back story way later on you learned some of the shitty did with that it's like whole fuck. For real. It's a wild like the Sharon god is like such an overpower and.

[00:14:02] Uh, ability. Like looking at like you know me as a whole like the Sharon god is up there. It's funny like the two major eyes in the Naruto universe, the Sharon god and the Yaku god.

[00:14:14] And I like literally just too super OP moves and they just casually have them in like family lines. Yeah, but then like of course there's going to be more eyes later because I don't know. Kishimoto has a super boner for high powers I guess.

[00:14:29] They're just like light bulbs just screw him in. Yeah, kind of how they work and that you've heard. It's kind of bizarre. And um.

[00:14:39] I don't remember if this is how it was in the anime, but I remember when I was reading the manga it didn't actually show them on get Kisharigon until Naruto and Sasuke's like showdown at the at the statues.

[00:14:53] And I don't remember if it actually shows it in the anime or not. Like when a while you're sweating, ah, Kakashi if it does it's been a while that I don't remember.

[00:15:08] I don't know, it's just one of those things that came to mind. I couldn't remember if that was the case or not. That was speaking of science. That was a cool fight too.

[00:15:16] Yeah, especially when guy shows up and that was like the beginning of the trend with a guy in Kisomey. Yeah, which is one of my favorite running jokes in the whole series.

[00:15:27] Well, I mean, I love that joke because it parallels so much to with the whole running joke, though for like the bromance between Kashi and guy. For those two have such a great dynamic and they fight so well, like with like as a team.

[00:15:43] Well, I mean it makes sense because you got to Kashi who's like the super talented, like I know all these different moves, all these, you know, ninja magic moves. And then you got guy who's just I punch real hard and real fast.

[00:15:58] Well, he's kind of like, you know, a pair of the other. Well, he's like one of the definitions of like the series where it's like it's not so much about the technical skills about the determination will power.

[00:16:10] Yeah, which like guys probably the one of the biggest examples of. Hmm. And then, um, so yeah, they, they taught G. as is all fight with them. Kashi and them. And then I think by this point Naruto and Jariah had already left to go find Sine.

[00:16:32] I believe this is this is the arc where Naruto learns his other signature move like I guess. I don't know if this is why it was introduced, but I think that feel like this move was introduced specifically to be a foil for territory.

[00:16:49] Or to be like Naruto is version of it. Yeah. And that would that's because since they don't shoot beams, they have to have some sort of clashing attack. And that's the resaga resaga, right? resaga, yeah. resaga. It does become it.

[00:17:13] I do like how it becomes like such a iconic move for Naruto as it goes through the series to the point where it. In the future gets like passed on to his son in the sequel series, although the reasoning behind it is different.

[00:17:30] Yeah, and I love that like Borato kind of takes his own spin on it too. No pun intended. Yes.

[00:17:39] And also like I know like you know we're kind of dipping our waters in a way later stuff, but I think it's really funny that like later on it's it's said that.

[00:17:49] And then the resaga was always supposed to be able to be thrown in Naruto just can never do it unless he was in like Sage mode or something. Yeah, because he always kind of uses it as just a punch.

[00:18:00] Yeah, which is kind of kind of I was always thought that was kind of funny like Borato was able to do it like right away. Or you're going to do it unless he had like major energy. That was always one of the interesting things about what makes.

[00:18:14] Because I know what we're getting way into the future here, but like the Borato anime in manga are very. They take a while to get into because they start very rough.

[00:18:27] But like one of the interesting parallels between the two is the fact that like Naruto had literally nothing when he started and had to. Worked to where he was and like Borato literally has everything and he kind of has to understand why it's important to learn.

[00:18:42] Yeah, like automatically can use like three different elements like right at the beginning. But when he tries to do something really specific he just can't. Oh, like like when he gets like shown like this one very specific move and it's like.

[00:19:04] All right, do this thing and it's like he just can't do it for whatever reason. It pisses him off because everyone always compares him to his dad. Yeah. But yeah, getting back to Naruto.

[00:19:17] So yeah, this is the point where Naruto and Dry are often you know, Dry is starting the whole process of teaching the rest of God.

[00:19:25] And I love the whole like running joke about Naruto's got all these savings and his little frog pairs and Dry just takes it and spends it on women. Yes. As you will. Dry is kind of easy for you. That's time. I'm not going to lie.

[00:19:42] Especially when he's first introduced like as time goes on, you learn more about him and you see like their relationship and stuff like he grows on you. But when he's first introduced he's really an asshole.

[00:19:53] Yeah, although when you learn more about him to it's like you kind of a noise you've been mortgage. It's like what the hell do you. Yeah, you should have been a lot more sympathetic to this kid.

[00:20:04] Yeah, especially considering how similar were when you learned like more about your eye when he was a kid. But yeah, so. You know, it's hot. She eventually shows up at like the hotel that they're staying at.

[00:20:23] And like, you know, Naruto knows a second he opens the door like I am fucked. Like if Dry doesn't come back, I'm done. This is over.

[00:20:34] I don't know how to have that kind of thought very often like you know he'll be a timidative data type, but he's never like completely like there is no hope. He's like the power friendship isn't going to work this time. At least.

[00:20:49] Yeah, then dry and sasky both shows show up. Sasky has his whole. You know, flailing at his that his brother thing. And instantly gets taken out. And they guess to watch his family die all over again because Mangaqio. Yeah, I thought she was kind of a bastard here.

[00:21:11] I get why you did it for Jesus. For real. For real. I mean, I feel like. Yeah, like he had his reasons, but I feel like the meta reason is because like I think Kishima would really want to do to hate.

[00:21:24] He's like, yeah, he made him cool because he's a good fighter and he's really talented. And he's got all these cool stuff. But like, went out of the way to try and make the audience really hate him.

[00:21:35] Like, because I wanted to make that reveal later on so much more of a gut punch. Hmm. So by the end of it. Sasky has taken out. And he's like an a comb and now too.

[00:21:53] Which makes finding Sonata even more important because she's like the most talented medical ninja in the world. And she is like the other person who can wake them up and also possibly he'll lead. Yeah, so this point it's not a confirmed yes or no thing.

[00:22:14] So from this point on word, like, Even up to the point where they meet Sonata, it's pretty much just training herk. Yeah. Which is always fun. I always enjoy a good training arkin in these kinds of classics you want to choose.

[00:22:31] They don't know if you have any any points to mention on that part. Not really, I mean, I enjoyed the dynamic. Like it's so interesting like how weirdly fast Dragon Ball wasn't comparison. Narado is kind of a slow show like the start off. Hmm.

[00:22:52] I think I think it's kind of like um, I think that might have been part of it though is they wanted it to be a little more of a slow bird. I mean, Narado is like, I'm usually slow burn is used in like aromantic sense.

[00:23:07] But like it applies here. Well, ironically it applies both for Narado but um, It really does apply in this sense as well because this show starts off and it really doesn't even hit its climax until at least like a quarter into ship it in

[00:23:25] where like you release it really starts to all come together. Hmm. How did you start seeing this stuff behind the scenes? Yeah, because it's like original Narado I feel like is a much better. It's more tightly written overall but it's very slow-paced.

[00:23:44] Yeah, and it seems like at surface level like um, like it's very straightforward but then like you know what you get into ship and then you start figuring out all this stuff that's going on behind the scenes and um,

[00:23:58] like when you really start learning about like more like a kashi and like what he's thinking throughout all of this stuff that's happening. What you don't get into a way later. Yeah, I think that's another thing too with the early parts of the show is like to me.

[00:24:14] I always found kashi to be the most interesting character starting off but you don't really learn by anything about him until like way after when other interesting characters have been introduced,

[00:24:25] which I think was kind of effective because it made you want to keep watching but at the same time it kind of felt like a tease of that. Hmm.

[00:24:33] Well, it's kind of like and they kind of like show that she kind of shows his hand like a cast you know, getting to like when he's first introduced and they're doing the whole like let's like,

[00:24:42] I'll remember the team we're all going to introduce each other to each other and you know tell us, tell us some things about each other. And he is like, oh, I like lots of things. I'm not going to tell you anything that I don't like.

[00:24:57] Also I'm not going to tell you my dreams for the future. He's just literally like he's going through the whole list of things that he wanted to want to want to them to come. I'm just not going to tell you anything about my name. Yeah.

[00:25:11] Well, he's kind of a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a troll for most of the series. Hmm. I mean, the first thing we see him uses thousand years of death. So yeah. I just love his no shit's given attitude.

[00:25:26] That's honestly like I think one of the reasons why he appeals to like an older person now. Hmm. For sure. I mean, he was always with my favorite characters even way back then, but No, I definitely the older I get and the more I get it. Yeah.

[00:25:42] He becomes like the squid word in a lot of ways where it's like you just don't like him. Well, you don't relate to him at first. Then you get older and you relate to him so much more and you just become so much more relatable. Yeah. Um.

[00:25:57] See, yeah. Then we finally meet Tuna de. Who has a gambling problem and I'm kind of a low key drinking problem too. I love how all of the 3th of 3send and just have so many of they all have their own issues. Hmm. Barrow. Um.

[00:26:16] I mean, isn't, isn't like she also. I'm like you Maris. True. He takes it to an extreme. I mean, they all kind of have their extremes but his is just. On a different level. Um. I do.

[00:26:31] So isn't it like confirmed that like, soon not days doing like some due to to make herself look young still? Yeah, it's just a transformation juu. Yeah. Like a basic as you know, like you see in the first episode.

[00:26:44] Because then she like in like her like 60s 70s and something. Uh, all three of the signing are 50 at this point, Michelle. 50. Yeah. So they're. They look a lot older.

[00:26:55] Well, I mean, not to not and actually it's not a immature book but I mean you look at dry and you think he's 11 older than 50. He's lived rough. He also doesn't hide his age. That's true. Um, yeah. He's the only one that doesn't hide his age.

[00:27:11] Nothing to think about it. Yeah, right. No, again. I wonder what tomorrow would look like if he had aged? Well, he's weird because he changes his body. Like a couple of months. Yeah, however long who knows.

[00:27:23] Did they ever show she's not like what she actually looks like or is that always just like a mystery? Only her hand. Oh, I remember whatever she gets like super tired or whatever after using like the healing thing that she does.

[00:27:38] Um, like it'll release the transformation and you'll just see her hand kind of like with her. And also looks far older than it actually should but she also drinks a lot. So that makes sense. Oh, yeah. They're all kind of annexed. So yeah.

[00:27:53] Uh, speaking of her character though though, she's immediately interesting. I will say. Oh, yeah. For sure. And then like you meter and you're like really this is the next ninja king. His alcoholic gambling addict.

[00:28:07] Like that's kind of a thing that this show really does is it like kind of plays with your expectations. Because every character they hype as like hype up is this big important character. They show up and you're like, that's it. It's like okay. Hmm.

[00:28:21] Like this wasn't Jerai kind of hyped up too and then like you see him. You're like, oh, okay. Well that's the thing is he's introduced before they like before they really explain who he is and like show like why he should be hype in the first place.

[00:28:36] And like later on like that because they approached Jerai at first to be the next Hokagi and he is like, no, I'm not doing that. He's like fuck that shit. He's got I got way too much peeping to do. I don't have time for that.

[00:28:50] It would be kind of frowned upon if the ninja king was going to rap at that's his peeping at girls. Yeah, just a little. So yeah, Naruto they meet they meet up and Naruto dislikes her immediately. Yep.

[00:29:09] Which is pretty funny because he doesn't realize that they're there to find the next Hokagi. He just thinks that they're going to find like a really good healer. Yeah.

[00:29:22] So like you know obviously as soon as he realizes what's going on and especially when she turns down the job, he loses his shit. They have like a quote unquote brawl. Really it should turn flicking him a few times. Yes.

[00:29:38] And forget how big the Netic Rano was early on. Oh yeah. They he definitely. He definitely changes a lot especially at the times. He I will say out of all the big like shown in anime protagonist, he probably has the biggest growth arc out of any of them.

[00:29:58] Because he really does start at literally nothing and it takes a while for him to become what he is at the end. Yeah. So that's when Naruto and Sinada make their bet because he's going to master the result of a week or however long it was.

[00:30:18] Ted days I don't know I don't remember. And I forget what it was is like if he if he can't do it then he has to admit that he can't be Hokagi or something like that. I don't remember exactly what it was. But if he wins. Hmm.

[00:30:37] It was one of those things where it's like you know he's going to do it but they have to make an interesting. Yeah, and they got to like build it up. It's going to be a big reveal.

[00:30:48] Well, we'll learn more about Sinada and why she's as jaded as she is. And uh, you know, it turns out that she lost her little brother when he was Naruto's age and then later on her boyfriend, the auntsa person whoever he is.

[00:31:05] And there's like a weird like correlation between all of them because they all wanted to be Hokagi and that's why she's trying to shut down Naruto. I think this whole big like deep thing.

[00:31:16] Yeah, oh and we didn't even mention because they cuz she meets up with a Rho Chimara before this.

[00:31:24] All right, that's right before they they find her and um there's just like the first moment where like you meet her and you're like oh shit because that was when she like punches the wall behind her in the wall. Like explodes.

[00:31:38] And I was like the first time you really get a hint of like what her whole deal is. Yeah, because she basically I was definitely a. Oh, good.

[00:31:47] Isn't like what heard one of her like big things like she can like just store up all that power and then just like let it out kind of. Yeah, that's what the the diamond on her forehead is.

[00:31:56] Yeah, it's just like she stores all over a chakra and that once bought apparently. One of the many things they would get to chakra later to try and make soccer interesting. Yeah, which.

[00:32:10] I don't know, I read something on the internet recently that said this supposedly soccer is most powerful canoichi at this point in Borajou and I'm like is she though. I mean, I bet she's got she got some cool stuff but like is she though.

[00:32:25] I'm pretty sure I've read that Hinata is technically stronger just because she's got that like a literal the power of a god. I think that's the last movie, but I'm not it doesn't do anything more so.

[00:32:37] And honestly, I don't think it's going to take much time for Sarada or he will worry to suppress her. Yeah, because at this point. Because Sarada and he will worry both got big upgrades in after the times. Good to know. Good to know.

[00:32:57] I keep forgetting the barrado anime ended in their waiting to do the next one. Yeah, supposedly from what I heard. Borajou is going to be seasonal from how long probably for the better. Probably should have done that from the first original in our two.

[00:33:18] Well, the final dubbed DVD reset comes up pretty soon so I'm looking forward to that and I can finally just finish that 10 thing. I'll offer Borajou. Yeah. I need to start getting the ship and incense now that they're coming back to 30 episodes since.

[00:33:35] Yeah, I wish I waited because I bought all the fucking DVD sets all fucking 38 of them. Jesus. Why did it in the dumbest way too? The place started at 38 went backwards. That's fair. It worked. It just really bizarre way to do it.

[00:33:54] Yeah, but yeah, I'm going to have to get the big ship and unbox that because, uh, cause you can't stream it anyway. Like not if you want to watch exclusively the dub, you can't stream it because you'll hit a cut off point where it will only be subbed.

[00:34:07] Yeah, I better wear you watch it. You know why ship it in is so much different like Oginarato, you can find the dub anywhere. Ship it in. Don't expect to see that Ninja warning.

[00:34:20] It's got to be some licensing issue because I know Narado channel shipped in Channel after a few times. Hmm. Do I remember Disney bought the rights to it and then realized how fucking violent. Oh, God, so much like we don't want this.

[00:34:34] Yeah, but now they're doing the the new bleach stuff. So it's like, I won't call Disney. I won't not say Disney is much of a hit the grids. That's better. I mean, they're also making the Deadpool movies. So well, they bought the studio that's making the Deadpool movies.

[00:34:54] It's the same difference. The Disney logo pops up at the beginning of it. So either way. Yeah. You still got you still got your brand on it. Disney has their morals, but they also have want money. So one out ways the other. Yep, that's pretty.

[00:35:12] And let's be fair. Anime wasn't making a lot of money at them. Yeah, well I think at this point because they've owned a new loop for a bit.

[00:35:19] I think they see the the the the the scorecard or whatever like they still seeing how many people are watching anime on it. Well, they see how much money crunch you roll in high dive to a lesser distant makes and they were like,

[00:35:34] we want a piece of that why are we putting our shows on this pull off our shows, please and put them on our thing. Hmm. Yeah.

[00:35:42] So yeah, um, basically a rich mar meets a personality and it almost comes to blows, but then a rich mar is like, hey, I'll bring your brother and your boyfriend back the life. If you heal my arms, which I don't think we mentioned that in the last episode.

[00:35:59] The third Ocage sealed off his arms souls. I don't think yes did we even mention the third Ocage. Okay, now that I think about it. I don't think so, which is ironic because that fight is happening in the background throughout that whole attack of the late village.

[00:36:14] You know what's weird? The third Ocage is just such a unlikable character for me, that I just always forget about him. I always thought he was a decent enough character and he was like the only one of like the elders that actually had a conscience.

[00:36:29] But he did what he's talking from doing the bad thing. Yeah, it's like he does so. Like the whole time like with like the early show, like all every all these characters I'm always like.

[00:36:42] I always have that thought of like this could have been so easily avoided if you had just done this one thing. Well, there's another one of those that's coming up. Yeah, that I was gonna mention. Like when the third Ocage dies, I really didn't feel bad.

[00:36:58] I just kind of was like, well, no. What does that dies though? Well, yeah. We'll get into that's a spoiler for later, but uh, you know, and his son is a much more likeable character even his uh. Grand it's his grandson, right. Code Hammer.

[00:37:19] Yeah, Conan are having his grandson. Yeah. Or yeah. Even he's a more likeable character, but he's also designed to be annoying. So that's why I was kind of okay with it. Who was Conan Hammer his parents? I don't think it's ever been explained.

[00:37:35] Because he's like, oh, this is, this is my uncle and it's just like, well, we made it a long ass time to say that because he's been around forever. But all right.

[00:37:42] I'm sure there's like a family tree like web that you can look at online that explains everything but it probably isn't important. There and how. Um, but yeah, I wrote you my promises to bring the back of life if uh, if he if she heals his arms.

[00:37:59] And she's like really thinking about it. But yeah, there was big deal with the devil energy going on there. Well, yeah, because you need to human sacrifices to make a work. Yeah.

[00:38:12] Uh, pretty much it was heavily implied that she was going to use Geriah and Naruto, which I want to change things a lot. Whatever, I'm pretty fucked up considering that like she was kids with Geriah. Isn't she also like, we find her later. She's like,

[00:38:29] and gently related to Naruto too. Uh, yes because I think Naruto is, uh, This isn't her plan like does he, she's the grand daughter of the first Okaga. Yeah, and like their 10 gently really, yeah, because he was married to a new zamak. Yeah, it's a whole confusing thing.

[00:38:51] But also Naruto is descended from an off branch of the, um, The first Okaga is claimed. So he has technically related to her, but like, Distantly. Yeah, it's one of those weird fucking things. But then it's also I guess it's revealed later on that like,

[00:39:09] most of the Hokkaigas have married to zamakis. Oh, interesting. So, at least until, uh, Sunaite and the ones that come later. Yeah, I don't think, I think, yeah, I think from Sunaite, like none of them get married until Naruto. Yeah, that's true. I think about it.

[00:39:42] Um, so that's like a whole thing that she's struggling with. And, um, Oh, it's also this weird thing about her like cursed necklace or something. I never understood that. It's just like, I think about the stackless is so important. It's cursed, but it's also like,

[00:40:01] Like super important for some reason. That's the thing about Okinauro that always annoyed me was like, it is a very well written show, but it has so many random plot threads that just never get answered. Well, the thing with a necklace kind of comes to a point later.

[00:40:20] And ship it in, but... But it's like in the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't mean much. No, it doesn't. Um, so you know, the day comes eventually. It's like the night before like the day that she's supposed to like make up her mind or whatever.

[00:40:37] And, uh, she rufi is Juraya. Yep. Yeah, she does. Which is the point that was going to bring up. Every bad thing that happens from that point onward is Juraya. Yeah. Because if she hadn't drugged Juraya, then I'm pretty sure full power,

[00:40:58] Juraya and Sage mode, Juraya could have taken out a roach and mario with the worms. Yeah. And that would have solved a lot of the problems that happened going forward.

[00:41:09] Whenever earlier, I think that comment about like there's so many things in this show that if they had just done this one thing, it would have avoided so many things in the long run. And it's like why did she rufi him in the first place?

[00:41:20] If she was going to turn down a roach, you know, is it what was the point of that? Kishima, I like Kishima is writing, but he... You can break it apart really easily if you look like for these little tiny things. That's true.

[00:41:36] But I don't know, me and overall, like I liked the way a lot of the story connects over time. But like little things like that early on just bug the hell out of me. There's a lot of moments in an ardu that are like,

[00:41:49] you just scratch your head and you go, why? Like it's like why? Yeah. It's just a really stupid decision on her part. I feel like it was... It was a lot of it was padding because he needed to stretch something to make a deadline.

[00:42:05] That's always my been like, theory. That's fair. I mean, that is kind of a thing with Mongar, it's just there. They are on that weekly deadline. They have to get like a full 15 to 25 page chapter done every week. Yeah.

[00:42:21] It evolves, you know, coming up with the story and the dialogue and actually drawing all the pictures and formatting it. Which Kishima, I don't know if you've actually read the narrative manga. The dialogue. Kishima, the way he does his panels is kind of very basic.

[00:42:38] He does a lot of like six panel pages that are, like, very simple with the layout. And he loves his triple-teaks. Loves him. He doesn't the manga too. It's not just an anime thing. Yeah. Which we get...

[00:42:59] I think one of the first big ones we get is when Nara Tohiyat's, the hell is his name, Kavichou with the Ressengam. Because we get like full page spread triple-take of that hit from different angles. Which is interesting in that point at least.

[00:43:18] How he got like, yeah, there's the triple-take but he shows it from different angles. That's pretty cool. Although I think that first Ressengam, how he hits him and I kind of create a big ball that shoots him backwards into the rock.

[00:43:33] That's like the only time Ressengam actually looks like that when he uses it. Yeah. They just kind of made it like super epic that one time and then it's just like, yeah, that's just been moved now. Yeah, pretty much. Kind of like... Oh, God. Now you go ahead.

[00:43:50] You're points probably more important. I was gonna say, is like, kind of like how they made hand signs a big deal at the beginning. And then eventually they just like, yeah, we don't need those anymore. You could just do it.

[00:44:02] Yeah, that was a thing like when they do their weird like, my motor jump on and it just goes in and it kind of gets phased out as it goes on. Yeah, like when I'm like, I'm like, gosh, he's fighting a... Because I was there.

[00:44:17] And they're doing that like huge long complicated string of hand signs through the water dragon thing. And it's like, you know, you guys were doing that for like two minutes straight. It's like you could just go up and stab them.

[00:44:29] You know, it always reminds me of that the god awful last airmen to film where they're like the earthmen. There was like you have six of them doing their fucking interpretive dance in the corner and then this tiny little pebble flies by. Peru.

[00:44:43] And then they ended up canceling each other out anyways. It was like, aren't so you did all that for no reason. It's one of those things where it's like, it looks cool. But then you're always questioning quite you questioned it after and you're like, wait a minute.

[00:44:56] Oh yeah, this is the part where also. So it had been like mentioned throughout when we're learning about scenarios back story stuff that she had like this intense fear of blood, which I mean your doctor kind of weird but alright.

[00:45:09] You'd be amazed though how many like medical like students like go through all of it and then they see blood for the first time they can't handle it. Why I believe that but like she's like so far beyond medical school.

[00:45:22] And she's like considered to be the top doctor in like the world. Like you'd think you'd be able to handle blood a little bit more trauma or no trauma but.

[00:45:35] But as she overcomes that and defend Naruto and that's when like the real big fight starts which is honestly one of the best animated fights like I went mentioned in the last episode where.

[00:45:48] One of the episodes specifically when Naruto and Garra are fighting is like really well animated and choreographed. There's another one in this one whether three sounding or fighting which is just insanely well done.

[00:45:59] Yeah, that's that's the one thing I will give Naruto every time is the fight choreography is very well done.

[00:46:06] Yeah, like I was watching um, I was watching with Cindy earlier in the week it was the when Sasuke was fighting over to Martin for the first time and I was just watching the way the fight choreography was done and it just looked so pretty especially for the time like it was just so well done.

[00:46:23] I mean this is way further than the line but I still think the final fight between Naruto and Sasuke is like one of the coolest fights in the series. I've only actually watched that fight once and have read it once.

[00:46:36] Oh, do you mean this series or the fall of the final encounter they have? Okay, Gotcha. Yeah, it's caught them a lot of those kinds of skirmishes and they have two really big fights that a bunch of little skirmishes throughout.

[00:46:52] Yeah, I guess Sasuke is a petty little asshole. Yeah, right. I hate after like the whole like in Shippurin every time they kind of encounter each other and then like you get teased like oh, they got a fight. I got to fight and he lay up. He's gone.

[00:47:07] He can't be bothered. He's going through his email midlife crisis. It's going to take us over. Yeah, he's eyes hurting. He's going to take an app. It's going to take him 500 episodes to get over it. Yeah, no kidding.

[00:47:23] Um, yeah, they have that whole big fight and then ultimately a rich market's back to your corner and he has to dip. And so that is like all right. I'll be home, Gagai. That's cool.

[00:47:34] Is that the same fight where Naruto gets like punched in the head? Like that famous image or is that a different fight? Yeah, because that was what Sinari was kind of happened her like she's getting the shakes over the blood and

[00:47:44] uh, uh, um, Kabuto was going to like go out of like punch her and Naruto gets in the way. That's like the iconic image. Yeah, that image floats around so often like out of context and you're always like huh.

[00:47:56] And then you see the house of one of them. Yeah, and also it's one of the scenes where like the manga does a way like more intense than the anime because it's the whole thing where

[00:48:08] I was just coming out of with the the Kunei and like in the anime, it just kind of slips through like the webbing of his fingers and he grabs them.

[00:48:15] Which I mean that alone like the whole concept of getting caught between like the webs of your fingers like that kind of excuse me a little bit. Yeah, but in the manga, it straight up goes through his hand.

[00:48:27] And he grabs the grabs as fast like that like way more intense. We were way more gory. Well, you can get away with that on Prince. But you can't quite get away with an animation form.

[00:48:40] Yeah, I don't know when um, like what what time of day Naruto aired in Japan, but I know that has a big thing to do with it because that was why

[00:48:49] Dragon Ball Super was so much less bloody than Dragon Ball Z is because super aired up even Sunday morning or Saturday morning in Japan where Z was like, like Wednesday or Thursday night.

[00:49:02] My honor is original run. Yeah, it's a similar thing with the Ashakeemay like that was aired around the same time like Pokemon being aired. So it was like they had to tone down a lot of stuff. Yeah.

[00:49:14] Um, but yeah, that's the whole like big Sinole arc then she comes back and there's a whole little mini arc of she pretty much heals asking and Kakashi instantly and like yeah, there's still a bad rest, but they're like fine.

[00:49:26] And then there's like a whole little mini arc about whether or not she can actually heal Lee, which is really the last big thing Lee gets, which is really upsetting because I love Lee as a character and especially those early episodes.

[00:49:40] Yeah, he kind of just becomes comic relief up to that which is kind of annoying. Yeah, and it's like what he has is white with garra. It's so intense. You're like, oh man, this guy could really bring any super strong. He's got the gates and all that.

[00:49:55] But then like he never gets any better with it. And then once you actually see guy use the gates, it's like all right, who gives a fuck about Lee guys guys the man.

[00:50:05] What the presses me about team guys, the fact that like they really evolve into being like completely irrelevant like as the series goes on. Well, actually, which is sad because like they're still somehow more relevant than team it is.

[00:50:21] Like team, just last teammate flat out just like once a ship it and starts they basically just get merged into team seven and their teacher just disappears because of pregnant and kind of hangs out with team 10 more than her own team.

[00:50:43] Well, by ship, but then they're all a tune in anyway except an Arnold, but that's a running job. Okay, so Naruto and Neji for opposite reasons true because Neji's a journey by them.

[00:50:55] Oh yeah, yeah, Neji such a weird. He's so like if over and under use at the same time.

[00:51:05] I know if I mentioned it in the last episode, but I saw him reasonably and it was like that scene from the Boratou movie where Sasuke is like not going to the door or look at Bernardo.

[00:51:15] He had like he not an answer to the door and like you know, it's one of those things that everybody says like oh this is the first time they actually spoke to each other.

[00:51:22] And in the meme it was like, oh, she's looking for Naruto and she's like, oh he's not here. He still at the Hokage's office whatever he's like, he goes okay by Neji and she goes see a literary touchy.

[00:51:35] That's really funny because they never actually interact with each other at any personal level.

[00:51:41] That is really ironic too. Like I remember reading that and then we lose like that's the first time Sasuke's ever interacted with Hanada and I'm like, no it can't be and it's like, yeah it is in terms of canon anyways.

[00:51:54] Yeah, I just thought that was really funny. I was dying laugh when I saw that.

[00:52:00] My favorite is the people who are always like the people who like don't actually look too deep into and they're always like, well explain this and then they show the gift of Hanada punching. Sasuke from a road to Ninja and I'm like that's not even the same universe.

[00:52:14] Yeah, it's a different timeline but that's that's bitch and not in perfect sense. I'm like, I haven't done a lot of that movie. I don't know what I'm like, I haven't done a DVD too. I haven't gone around to it.

[00:52:24] It's one of the better movies for the non canon ones. I'm always, I think I've only seen a handful of the movies. I've seen like the OG Naruto ones which I only only one of them I really liked.

[00:52:40] Honestly, the problem with the Naruto movies is they're all just so like because they're not canon they're all just so like me. The reason why I always say like, road to Ninja is probably the best non canon one is just because it has an actually interesting idea.

[00:52:55] Actually, you know what's funny is even though I haven't seen the road to Ninja at the road to Ninja movie. I saw that one weird filler episode where the alternate timeline soccer us somehow ended up in regular timeline. Yeah, because she's not present in the film. That's weird.

[00:53:13] The whole thing. Yeah, really bizarre. But yeah, that's one that I definitely need to get around to. I always say like the only two Naruto movies that really are worth watching are like road to Ninja and last. Yeah, well, I mean, Borotos good too.

[00:53:30] The Borotos movie is good. It's kind of irrelevant though with the TV retelling of it now. Yeah, but really like the only major difference between the two is that in the manga slash anime version he gets the karma.

[00:53:47] Well, also they changed up the preliminary fights because they didn't have like, garlic sun in the movie at all. At least he wasn't relevant in the movie. Yeah, he was there. He just wasn't like important. Like they just kind of just like patented out for the anime.

[00:54:03] Yeah, because they made like pick a die the big of honoured in the movie and then he gets like just like downgraded immensely in the anime version. Yeah, I was just one of the reasons why I liked the movie more.

[00:54:15] And I think if I remember when it went by the movie as opposed to the anime. It's been a while since I read it though. So I can't call me on that but. I'm pretty sure it followed the movie more true.

[00:54:33] So yeah, um, do we even want to talk about that little three three to five episode filler arc or should we just give it? Uh, what's the brief summary because I forget I don't even remember it.

[00:54:48] They need they go in a mission to help that protect this kid who's running a race because for some reason it's important that he wins the race.

[00:54:59] I don't really remember. Yeah, it has like he has like the lee weights and they fight those guys from the rain village for the shooting exam. And then at the end, um, there's a dude with lightning swords and that's pretty much the old deal.

[00:55:17] Actually it's it's like a combination of like of like tuning exam stuff mixed with the first episode of Naruto because apparently the kid running the race did the same thing. The larger did the first episode, just dealing this girl. But he actually got to the village for it.

[00:55:37] Yeah, I don't think it's that important to cover which probably just skip over the filler because it's all pretty pointless.

[00:55:48] Yeah, I figured we would do that in general but because that was so short I figured we might as well at least call attention to it if we're not actually going to. Yeah, although I will say.

[00:56:01] And by now, I think it would be fun at some point that future just do it. I an episode of just about the curry arc because I thought maybe it may be an episode. Maybe it's a stupid art. It was a stupid art but it was funny.

[00:56:13] Maybe after we get through like shipping in barra, we should do a retail like a bonus where we cover all the filler arcs like that are worth talking about.

[00:56:22] Yeah, I I'd agree with you but I don't know if I have it admitted has been to watch all the filler arcs at once. I think I'd have to take him one at a time. Or just look up the ones that are actually worth watching. That's fair. Yeah.

[00:56:37] All right. So getting into the final Saskia wakes up after being healed and he's even brooding here than usual. Yeah, he went from being the mechanical romance kid to like the I don't know what's an even more emo thing. Yeah, you're bark. Well, they're more metal but um.

[00:57:03] Yeah, well that's people have been putting Lincoln Park in Saskia together since their early 2000s. So he went from a Vanessa and spring me to life to crawling in my skin. Okay, that works pretty much. That's actually a song that used a lot for him.

[00:57:19] I'm sure there was many in AMV made around those. Oh, yeah, I saw a lot of them back then. A lot of them. A lot of Lincoln Park. Yeah. So Saskia is being super busy and watched a fight out of the roof because you know, and they.

[00:57:43] And as real upset at the end when Naruto actually does pretty pretty damn well, and like it was like that moment where after the fight, which is actually a really well done flight to.

[00:57:55] After the fight when they both get thrown into the water shower with their their special moves. So Skaz the moment where he like looked at the two and he's like, how about she do already fucked it up way more.

[00:58:07] And then he goes behind it and sees that Naruto is literally imploded the other one. Yeah, he just. So Skaz character here bothered the fuck out of his I'm just like, he's not even like understandable anymore now. He's just like being so petty for no reason.

[00:58:30] He just like, oh, he's improving faster than me. So obviously that means I need to kill him. It's like it's almost like when you when you're born with everything and gifted from the start, you don't train harder so you get lazy.

[00:58:46] Meanwhile someone who has nothing has to constantly work their way up and that's why Naruto suddenly is better in his like yeah geez.

[00:58:56] Plus, I mean there's also the the fact of I know they don't actually like explain how it works until a ship and then but he's also got the the shadow clone factor. Because he's gaining so much extra experience for using shadow clones.

[00:59:14] Yeah, honestly, Naruto is in the shadow clones is like a really interesting concept because he really like that really becomes kind of his gimmick as it goes on. Oh for sure, like that's easily like the thing he's most well known for.

[00:59:27] It's actually funny. I saw a thing it was like one of those right pill blue pill things on Facebook a couple weeks ago and it was like which rather have all of Naruto's abilities or all of blue feasibilities.

[00:59:37] I'm like yeah, I would take just shadow clones over all of the all the other abilities brought up here because that would be so useful in a day to day life. Yeah, honestly just send one to work like good.

[00:59:50] Yeah, so one to work said one to go learn like an instrument some one to go learn a language like. You do all sorts of stuff be so useful. Yeah, honestly. So getting back to saucecaid is bitchiness. Yeah, so that's when he's approached by the sound ninja.

[01:00:14] Which I think we saw briefly in the tuning like the attack on the leaf village because I think they were the ones making the barrier that locked in the third O'Cogga in a work tomorrow. Yeah.

[01:00:27] And they approached Saské ultimately, Saské decides to leave and go to a work tomorrow because he wants power. And from that point once everybody realizes that Saské is gone, they need to form a team with the newly. Chooningified, Chikomaru as the head.

[01:00:52] And it's take a long Naruto, Chogi, Neji and Kiba. What a random team. None of that I think of myself. I know right. For real. But it's like it's a really cool team too. Like, have like a little mix of all the different groups that would be.

[01:01:12] Yeah, obviously. Yeah, we got Naruto from Team 7. Chikomaru and Chogi from Team 10. Thank Kiba and Neji both from different teams. Yeah, at least one representative from each team. Also I just realized it's totally team sausage, but that's there. They didn't bring a single girl.

[01:01:30] Yeah, well, I mean, soccer was no use. True. And at this point, he not it wasn't really much either. Yeah, they probably didn't know it was got to shaft. They forgot 10, 10 is going to forever be known for that image of her. Impaled on the pole. Yep.

[01:01:52] And you know, probably just didn't give a fuck that point. Yeah, you know, not much use it. Her kids way better than her anyway. They even use her power. Yeah, that's actually kind of saddened.

[01:02:06] I'd say, which is funny because that's supposed to be like the whole thing with the inner shikachow. It's supposed to be those three specific powers. But he's like, nah, I'm a draw. I'm a draw.

[01:02:16] He does kind of use it later because he's got to save his parents' marriage. That's the point. Go ahead and see that one. Are you didn't get that filler episode? I entirely possible that I skipped over it. I don't know.

[01:02:31] Okay, there's a whole episode about him learning how to use the freaking mind food suit technique. But I know that was an episode where he was like, He had already got the yips about trying and for some reason it wasn't working.

[01:02:43] So he tried to use his mom's for a while and it wasn't a good fit for him. Now they so they do an episode later where he actually tries to learn it because they kind of need him to and

[01:02:54] it ends up of course being an e-noseye argument and he has to stop it. Oh, he got totally out topic and the new is for a church after he got fucked up. Who's psi? Yeah, no, whatever the fuck is his name or the energy. You know, Gene.

[01:03:14] Yeah, yeah, he got fucked up. Lovely. You have to read. That's always lovely. Yeah. So yeah, they all go off and they're chasing down the sound guys and apparently like the way they explain it as sasky

[01:03:30] and used to like die quote unquote before you can like awaken that the new like stage for the curse mark. Which apparently is more important than we were led to believe.

[01:03:46] Because all of these sound guys have the curse mark and can use it up to the second level. The curse mark is just fucking weird. Like that entire power.

[01:03:56] I feel like it was introduced just for it to be like another kind of like dark power that sasky can use like to counter an arto's nine tails. Yeah, pretty much. Even though it doesn't hold a candle. No.

[01:04:11] It was it's only really useful early on when Nardo doesn't have any real control over the nine tails yet. Because by the end of this series, the first series at least the most he's been able to bring out is like one tail.

[01:04:30] One or doesn't he have like two by the end to like at most? Not in the first series. We see almost bring out three at the very beginning of ship it in. Right, but it's not until the other bridge arc.

[01:04:49] Yeah, what he actually like goes full full tilt. So they all go off and out to out of the I guess five fights because there are five separate fights go a god with you know rotating. Grotating people involved.

[01:05:09] But there are five main fights before like the big one at the end. Which one of those that you like the most? Honestly, I kind of forgot to most of them on the final bite between Nardo and Sasky.

[01:05:23] Well, the first one we have is like the big the big tough stupid one who fought Chogie and Chogie had his whole little. His little arc with the we taken the super power pills. Right, but the butterfly wings and stuff. Yep.

[01:05:40] Which like I don't hit me on a level emotionally that like now more than it did back then. I don't know why, but just for some reason it just. And hit me more in the feels now that I'm older than it did when I was a kid. Yeah.

[01:06:05] And then we had not an edgy versus the spider guy. I remember that one man I wouldn't be okay. I liked that one a lot when I was a kid. We had Chikomaru versus the flute girl because he always fights girls. He does. Then such a weird point.

[01:06:24] It's because he's the sexist one. So he has to fight the girls. Was he sexist? I don't know if I remember. I'm pretty sure he was sexist at the beginning. And then he over, obviously he has a matemari at the end.

[01:06:40] So he kind of asked to move past that. She's kind of a no-no-insense chick. See when I think of Chikomaru and I think of his like, Axty like period from like shipping and like his. His current incarnation where he's just chill and doesn't go fuck. Where's the go-to?

[01:06:59] It's stupid looking go-to. Yeah. And then we had Kiva versus the one guy that's actually two guys. Yeah. Kiva is such a weird old character too. I'm not gonna lie. That one's probably the one I like to least, honestly.

[01:07:21] I think that I just dislike that bill in the most. Like the one guy that was actually two guys. Well it's also just like, I need to say it, but like I'm trying to think of like, Heva having a decent arc in shipping in like as well.

[01:07:37] I really don't remember any. Well, I can't speak for the anime, but he's like completely not there at all in the Borajomaga. Like I don't think he'd seen him once in the manga. He has a filler arc where he gets it in an argument with his cat girlfriend.

[01:07:55] I think that happens. I did hear about that. That happens to like an episode. There's also when Sarda and Laura are trying to find to rise up on books. They ask a Kiva and a Shino about it and they go, you guys shouldn't be looking for that. Yeah.

[01:08:18] You don't need to read that. Read tales of a gutsy ninja is then. Yeah. That was the lead up to the time travel argument. I actually never think about it. Oh, you know what? Yeah. I started at the time travel. I got ever finished it.

[01:08:35] But I think I do remember that. And then the last one was a bone guy. And it started. You started out finding Naruto, which I think was just a pad, had it out. And then Lee showed up and took over. So Naruto could chase Sasuke.

[01:08:57] And the only one is that we're actually able to win their fights alone. There's a legend. Even though they almost died in the process of what have died of, it's not an eilthum. Yeah.

[01:09:09] All the rest needed help from the sand ninja who somehow made it and were able to help. Yeah. This whole fight thing was interesting, but I felt like a lot of it was kind of they just pulled it out of nowhere. Yeah.

[01:09:21] Why me the Chojes and veggies I feel like we're we're solid. Because they were only like two three episodes. And they pretty much exclusively focused on those. I'm just going to be a little bit more focused on those fights. With with Keiba, Shikumaru and Lee's fights.

[01:09:38] They're having all three of those fights happen at the same time. Just so they could do the big reveal with the sand guys. All showing the same time to rescue them. But I think with them having all three of those fights at the same time,

[01:09:51] kind of took away from them all. Because you couldn't really like focus on it and get the characters at the time they needed. And it also just felt like it went on forever because of that. Whereas with Chojes and veggies, like all right, we had two three episodes.

[01:10:06] Get this fight done. Have your whole emotional thing move on to the next one. Yeah. But I don't know for me, I feel like the energy fight. And I like Lee and Gar are working together, especially after Lee and Jeff, like he's still healing from his surgery.

[01:10:28] Like, so he's just like recent. It just happened. And Gar has showed up and helped him out. And like that was, that was a really cool thing that they kind of like put all that behind them to work together towards something.

[01:10:41] And I like the same people I like to go to allies now after that whole debacle. Yeah. But yeah, I don't know. I think the, I mean, it's always fun whenever you see Lee or Gar fight. So that would definitely up there.

[01:11:06] But I also really like the concept of the B.A.P. God and how that power works. And how it was like apparently the perfect foil for this fighter guy. Yeah. Now, it's a cool power. Like I, at face value, you think it's just like X-ray vision,

[01:11:22] but then they realize how much more debit is. Like with it's like, it's basically like an all-seeing eye, essentially in a lot of ways. Pretty much until that actually becomes a thing later on. Yeah, that's true.

[01:11:37] Because there's a character who gets introduced in Borosho, who's literally just omnipotent and could see anything passed or present as long as it happened during this person's lifetime. Mm-hmm. Which is just outrageous. It's just such an outrageously OP power. Um, we can be shown in without it.

[01:12:01] Yeah, right. Like we need more magic eyes that we're just OP. Um, so then we finally get to Naruto Bros. Sasky, which is where we really get Sasky's full backstory. With, uh, with some stuff taken out.

[01:12:17] And you know what's funny is like the last time I watched this. I like, as watch it and like as I was going through the whole backstory, I was like, you know what?

[01:12:26] I'm picking up on a lot more now that I like, if I was the age I am. Like, if I was like maybe in my mid 20s or so watching Naruto for the first time,

[01:12:37] I probably would have picked up a lot more that there was more going on than just attach to killed the family. Like, they were some shit going on underneath and they made it very clear. I think just my 12-year-old brain could wrap a hat around it.

[01:12:49] Well, it's like the thing, the thing with that reveal is like when, because they, you get the backstory and the destruction of the, who jiacally and so many times.

[01:12:59] But each time you get it a little bit more gets revealed until you finally get the full picture and you're like, uh, that's why I actually, um, my friend Matt, uh, I, I could, got him to watch through Naruto, but like,

[01:13:16] I made him watch like specific chunks like them pretty much like the important bits because I knew he would not have the patience for like all the, like the whole thing, especially all the flashbacks and all of the stuff. So I actually,

[01:13:28] wait, I skipped over Sasuke's backstory during this fight because I knew we were going to get the whole thing plus more once Sasuke actually fought a touchy. Yeah. So I just saved it for that point which ended up actually working out really well. Yeah, because they've,

[01:13:44] they've really do show you that didn't think so many times. Yeah, for sure. Um, yeah, this is like the big emotional life you just don't understand me in Naruto's like, but I want to, and it's like, it's really, that's not like becomes their thing for a long time.

[01:14:05] It is they also kiss again with, we didn't even talk about the first kiss. I think that happened to so many, don't they kiss twice or doesn't happen earlier? I don't think so. I don't think that happened on accident twice. I don't remember.

[01:14:21] No, but I remember that one scene where Karama references it like way later, like after their coolies is like, your first kiss was Sasuke. Yeah. Oh yeah, I remember that they were joking. Yeah. This was a good one.

[01:14:35] I lost my mind with that app and it was so funny. Isn't that a running joke that everyone had their first kiss with Naruto or something? I don't know. Maybe. I'm going to die. I remember that being a joke at one point in the series.

[01:14:55] So yeah, we learned like, Southeast whole backstory about how like there's definitely like, ship going on when you're like, you're watching it and you're seeing like, the way that the Yashihaklai is interacting with the Tajik. Like, you can tell like this, this is ship going on underneath,

[01:15:10] but because we're looking at it for the lens of Sasuke, who was like, I don't know six at the time. Yeah. You don't really get that like, that view like underneath, underneath it all. So you're seeing it through the lens of a six year old,

[01:15:25] which is just the Etachi bad he killed. Yeah. I'm just still a dark scene. Oh, for sure. And this is when like, Sasuke reveals like, oh, the Sharingan has like this upgraded version and to unlock it, you have to kill your best friend.

[01:15:48] Which actually I don't think is actually true. Yeah, I think that's true. I think you just can't be in the English. I think you just have to experience heavy trauma. I think that'll lock that. But well, no, it's because he taught you to hold him

[01:16:00] that you have to kill your best friend. Oh, yeah. Okay, that makes more sense. So I don't know why he did that to like, because obviously like, you're like, you're touching it as a reason to do anything. But like, wow, what he tried to manipulate him

[01:16:15] and he killed like his best friend. I don't understand that. The touch he was kind of a bastard at times. Unless he was trying to like, unless he was trying to encourage him not to follow what his footsteps in his own weird way is like,

[01:16:31] I always could get this power because I know it's down sides and I don't want you to have that. So I'm going to tell you this really awful thing that you don't actually have to do to a market. I'm always convinced like a touch he was just

[01:16:42] playing like 40 chess in the background. Oh, for sure. He knew what was going on like the whole time. He was the one guy who like had the full view of everything. Except for like the actual big bad, but even he didn't have the full view.

[01:16:56] Well, there's a reason why they refer to it taught you as like a walking spoiler like whenever he's around because like anything involving him is just a giant spoiler. Oh, for sure. But yeah, this this fight is probably the best animated fight throughout the series.

[01:17:16] Yeah, I will say I really hate Sasuke's first Mark form. It's such a weird looking design. I thought it was really cool when I was a kid but the purple loaves takes a little much. I just like, I'm just like, why does he go straight? I just like,

[01:17:34] I just thought the body horror was kind of, I'm just scary, but I was like, yeah, I would end with the wind coming out. Yeah, it's just like that totally makes sense. It isn't going to be a problem later. I don't worry about it.

[01:17:46] It doesn't last long, apparently. No. I think you'll see him go Chris Marks to teach you like two more times after that. That's it. Yeah. I don't think the very next time you see him do it, he loses one of his hand wings. Yeah,

[01:18:00] which is ironic because what Naruto and sub going through later on is even more body horror. But um. Oh yeah, big time. The fight is fun though. I do love the whole symbolic nature of like that final hit where Naruto, what's the line through his headband? Yeah.

[01:18:22] Naruto loves doing that kind of like, that kind of symbolism. It's so much symbolism in Naruto. Because isn't that like a thing in like the mythosis that once you put a scratch that you had been, it signifies you as a defector or something.

[01:18:35] Yeah, you're like a rogue ninja. If you have that, you're like, it's why I like all the, a Katsuki habit and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. As we were like the one scene where where it's Sosuke like, the pretty much breaks Naruto's neck. Like that was brutal as fuck.

[01:18:53] It was a pretty brutal fight. You know what the worst part is to? It is a great fight, but it ends on such an unsatisfying inclusion because there's like no resolution. They just kind of, they end exactly where they started with like with no like resolution.

[01:19:09] And it's like, I mean Sosuke does technically when he does in a sense that like they failed at on their goal, like basically true. I mean by the end of it, Naruto is knocked out in Sosuke still walk in barely, but ultimately he did win. Yeah. It's just,

[01:19:33] it's an interesting way. I've never told you about more than just a single tail. He definitely would have ruined Sosuke. True, but of course we can't, we need we have a whole another series to get through for that. But save that for later.

[01:19:48] It was just it was an interesting choice like because at the time as as he is, we had no idea the shit was going to go on as long as it was. Yeah, right? It felt like such a, I don't like an unsatisfying ending.

[01:20:04] Like kind of a downer end in a lot of ways. Yeah, definitely. Even though in terms of anime, it wasn't even the end because of what on for another like 80, 90 episodes. Yeah, and which is mostly filler it. I think the only thing in that chunk that isn't filler

[01:20:26] is when Sunari takes Sakura as a pupil. That and the, the whole narrative going off with the Geriah to train, right? Yeah, but that happens at the very very end. Well, yeah. But yeah, that's all just filler, arch after filler arc. Which really annoyed me as a kid

[01:20:50] because not only did I not know it was filler, but every time one of these filler archers start they'd be like, oh, this might give us a lead to finding Sosuke. I'm like, finally. No, isn't does nothing. So I haven't watched any of that in like,

[01:21:06] it's like, I've only watched the stuff that matters. The Sosuke ever appeared, is he just like stop appearing in the show for a while? I think there might have been one scene where you like, kind of see his silhouette,

[01:21:22] but then like it's revealed like when they're going there, then he was actually there like a month beforehand. It wasn't actually there anymore. But I think that's the most you get. I think you do see a Rochimaro in Cabo 2 of one point.

[01:21:35] But it's like one of the very first filler arcs that shows up, so it was like right after Sosuke left and then nothing after that. So this was basically all just them stretching the shit out for a time, or Kishimoto wrote the manga. Yeah, because at that point,

[01:21:52] although I think at the point where we got it, shipping and had started in Japan because I mean, what I was getting in the Naruto like by the point, I caught up with the dub at the beginning of the Sosuke night-a-ark. Everything after that I watched subbed

[01:22:10] because I wanted to watch, but I wanted to see what happened that badly. I've kind of decents it, it decents it as me to watching subs, especially since I watched a lot of that filler subbed, which yikes. Yeah, I saw a bunch of the Ron Shukin.

[01:22:26] See, I fell off right around the point, right after the Sosuke Naruto fight because I realized real quick this was all just kind of bullshit. Just have to this. I didn't have a conflict with what filler wasn't that point in time. See, I just lost interest after that

[01:22:42] because I was like, oh, nothing's happening. I'm gonna watch something else. Happens a lot when Naruto. Because I didn't get that kind of Naruto until shipping it had already been on for a while and I just happened to see it when I'm like, oh, he's a teenager now.

[01:22:56] When did that happen? Say, significantly less annoying teenager. He's still kind of annoying. He's still kind of annoying, but it's not nothing even closed to like early OG Naruto. True, well, it takes about halfway through shipping

[01:23:12] for me to really, like, for him to really get to that point where I'm like, he's, I get him now. Like, when he's watching, when he's watching, I'm not believe it for you know. Yeah, you know? I think after the pain fight is when I really

[01:23:25] my opinion on Naruto changed a lot. Yeah, that's a fun one. That's the pain arc is when we can happen a lot. A whole episode discussing honestly. Shipment is all about how it happens. Like, we're basically wrapping it up here

[01:23:41] but like, we will say we are gonna get to ship it in at some point probably not right away because that's a lot. Yeah, and we'll probably, there'll be a lot more parts to that one than just two. Most likely.

[01:23:53] I mean, granted, we're gonna be cutting out a lot of filler because there's even more filler in fucking shit than there is in here. 5,500 episodes, 500 episodes total of shipment and literally half of it is filler. Yeah, like, I think you only have to really watch

[01:24:08] like 200 something at home to really get the story. Hmm. The worst is that is the flashbacks to legit and being like the previous episode. It's like, what the fuck is this? Or all the filler arcs that in shipment end that take place during Oginarito.

[01:24:26] Yeah, I wanted to see them as 12-year-olds like Watjo Ginarito. I want to see them as teenagers. I mean, I like the filler arc with like the food competition where we find out that Inadak and like fucking put it away. Yeah. Which they reference with what?

[01:24:43] They reference in baron. Which is kind of funny. Oh, yeah, that she was the ramen eating baron. Who was like the master and it's like, oh, it's your mom. And he's like, well, I iron gut him out there whenever the hell they call there. Yeah.

[01:24:59] And it just hurts spiling with an empty bowl. And it's like, okay. Yeah, super funny. It's always the one Julie's stick. And I don't know if we want to bring it up, but I mean, we don't want to... I mean, if we can do it spoilers anyways,

[01:25:19] we're just starting to hear you deal. With a whole thing with a Toby and ship it in, I knew exactly what his deal was right out the bat because he's not very subtle. Well, I mean like the big reveal with him is that he's a real big reveal.

[01:25:44] Because the Kashi backstory arc that we get, like I don't really, 150 episodes in the ship it in where you learn how he got his eye and everything. In the manga, that's right after the Naruto Saskin arc. That's right before part two. Yeah. So, and that, that,

[01:26:00] Naruto was actually fun. In fact, the first manga I actually tried to collect for and I had a lot of it too. When I was in the middle school, but eventually I had just never completed it. And eventually I, I think, gave them all to my cousin.

[01:26:18] Later on, I just bought the big box, that was just the most convenient way to do it. Yeah. But I don't know because, because it was in tactically the part one section of the manga,

[01:26:34] I figured it was worth bringing up the bulk of Kashi getting his eye thing. Yeah. Honestly, like thinking about it, like if you bring up the context schools, it's really easy to figure out who Toby is.

[01:26:47] So many people didn't know, like it blew my mind how many people didn't, and I realized now is because a lot of them didn't read the manga. Yeah. Yeah. It's super easy to figure out what you get. Especially once like he's having that whole talk with Saskin

[01:27:03] and his character, he's like, he's like, he's got this guy inside of his face. Everything, it's super easy to tell who he is. Yeah, it's just one of those things but for some reason, nobody could like, nobody could wrap their heads around it. Yeah. To be fair,

[01:27:29] the attention span of people watching anime back then wasn't as strong as it is now. So that's true. And our show wasn't exactly the easiest one to follow along with. Well, yeah, because you had to deal with Tuna Mia wherever it was airing at the time.

[01:27:45] Because it jumped around a lot. Yeah, that's true. But they also didn't have the Nard to marathon a lot. But the fact that like, like there was so much more

[01:27:56] in Japan than we had over here, I don't know how long it took for us to actually get a dub, but like, ship it in some way ahead. The ship it in dove alone didn't finish until like, 20 18 I want to say something like that.

[01:28:13] I might have been like 2015 or 2016 or not sure. Well, the final box at EVD didn't come out until around there as I remember being at up the day came out. But actually today, I still haven't seen the end of the Ninja War in English.

[01:28:36] It's because it's all the time we talked about before about how they don't. Yeah, it's even you have to buy it. Yeah, it's unfortunate. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of sad that the final two arcs of ship

[01:28:50] in there literally nothing but filler, but I love it because it's a period of the series that like, the show that is not really documented at all. It leads in the movie and into Borotodo. So I mean, it has its purpose. Well, it takes place.

[01:29:05] I'm like the story of life. Technically takes place after the movie. Isn't it like a little bit before a little bit after? I'm not sure about that. I think it's all. I didn't actually watch it, but I believe it's all after.

[01:29:19] Now, it's kind of weird because Sasuke's inclusion is what makes it confusing. Sasuke legit appears for like one second in the last. Yeah, with that animation with an animation with an animation glitch that doesn't have his eye right at one point. Because he's got two normalized.

[01:29:40] They show him once and he's got two normalized. And it's like, he's not supposed to have those anymore. Yeah, whatever. The animation makes up for it. Yeah. With the last that beautiful animation. It did. So much symbolic stuff. Oh yeah. But that's not our two. Yeah.

[01:30:06] If our discussion didn't make any sense, that's fine. It's a confusing show as it is. It's really long. It's a lot to pack even two hour and a half episodes. It's a lot like there's so much that we didn't talk about because it's yeah, for long series. Yeah.

[01:30:26] Honestly, to do a proper Naruto breakdown, it would possibly probably. It would be like almost 100 episode on against in its own rate. Oh, I've actually used to follow an Arto Pai gas and it's way beyond that. Oh, yeah. I'm sure.

[01:30:42] You know what we thought we could cover to one episode. Like the whole thing. We probably could have, but I think at that point, that was a second recording of the nights. We were also exhausted by that point. Well, then I made never way back when we started.

[01:30:58] We wanted to do all of Naruto like be entire. Oh, yeah. That probably would have like doubled the the time that we did for that first. Dragon Ball episode we did. Yeah, well also Dragon Ball is just an easier show to explain.

[01:31:13] Naruto, there's so much more stuff going on. For sure. But yeah, not though. Not much else to say. I still recommend watching original Naruto, at least the non filler. Yes, if you and if. If you're somebody who can and or prefers reading manga,

[01:31:38] I definitely think that the manga is one of the best ways to absorb this story. That being said though, I mean some of like like we mentioned throughout the episodes.

[01:31:50] Like some of the animation and like you still want to like at least check out some of the fights on YouTube or something if you're going to read the manga. But and and some of the music is really good too, especially in shipping it.

[01:31:59] The fucking Naruto intro themes go way harder than they have any reason to. Oh yeah, like that one that everybody knows fighting in. Just that one my dreamers. Three dreamers is up there, Blooper just very well remembered. Hmm. I mean they're on pretty good.

[01:32:20] You only other thing I could say that isn't a bad way to experience the series is the nature storm games. That's a good way. It's kind of like an upridged version.

[01:32:31] Yeah, it and while it doesn't take like the because it'll do like the weird like mid fight cutscenes that are also interactive. Yeah, those it doesn't show like the exact fight like it'll do like an alternate version of the fight but it's totally well done.

[01:32:49] Yeah, and you get all the main points at the story through it. So and you can get all three of those in a single pack on the switch now it is. Usually on sale pretty cheap too and four is also usually on sale at the same time so.

[01:33:04] Yeah, which I think I started the third one I've ever never beat it. It's a series I want to sit down and play at some point I just like most things I don't have any time.

[01:33:19] I was considering just making my wife play those games instead of watching the show but now I think she she would enjoy the story of the show. I think we'd be able to make a work even though we had to dodge around fill our lot.

[01:33:37] Yeah, especially what's we had ship it in. Yeah, yeah, that's for sure. But, um, yeah, so. Once again guys, thanks for joining us on geek edics say you can find geek edics on all the major podcasting platforms, particularly Apple podcast and Spotify.

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