Episode 164: Neon White - Blended Families

[00:00:00] We have blended our families and it has been anything but easy. This is the sociopath playing Red Dead. Exactly, it's here in the future. If your eight-year-old child is blending your family. If you're blending your family, we'll just fix it in post. That's fine. Yeah, exactly.

[00:00:25] I got spoiled. You watch My Hero Academia, right? Oh, yeah. Someone fucking spoiled it for me. Like Manga or current anime? Current anime. I'm like five seasons behind. Oh, damn. Okay. This hasn't happened to me in a minute. I got the newest Yakuza spoiled for me and it's

[00:00:44] random too because I haven't thought about My Hero in like five years and then I kind of want to rewatch it all because I stopped on season four or whatever. That's exactly where I stopped.

[00:00:54] I really want to get back into it and then I just see like the nuclear level spoiler and I'm like, that's not fake. Like I know that's not fake. Just looking at this, that makes me so upset. No, no, no, no, Nave, it's fake. Don't worry. You're fine.

[00:01:08] That's what I have to tell myself. But after, again, I saw a nuclear level spoiler for Yakuza Infinite Wild and I was like, that's so specific. That's gotta be real. I got kind of sucked into the recent My Hero, like Hypertrain because it was like great

[00:01:24] and then it was like kind of shitty and then it's like really good now. So I was like, okay, let me jump back in. And yeah, you're right. She gets insane and if you saw that spoiler, I'm sorry because you're right.

[00:01:34] It is one of the biggest spoilers you could possibly ever see. You have to know what it is then, right? You have to know. I just, I was like, why? And the whole tweet was like, wow, I can't believe this

[00:01:44] happened and a picture of it. And I'm like, why? Why did you do that? Like literally three days ago, I'm like, I'll kind of want to watch My Hero again. I downloaded the fighting game. Like I was ready to get back in.

[00:01:57] My favorite thing is like there's people that are upset about like people posting about that. But then like in that same Twitter feed, they will like talk about the spoiler. They're like, oh, they ruined it for everybody and then talk about the spoiler

[00:02:09] and it's like, well, okay, you just did the same thing. Yeah man, I'm so bad about Twitter. Sometimes I'll just tweet and I forget that people are going to see, they're going to see what I'm talking about because I'm talking.

[00:02:21] That's why I stopped interacting with Yakuza like threads. I was deep in the Yakuza fan Twitter like circle, like every other post was a Yakuza post. And I was constantly just dropping spoilers left and right.

[00:02:33] I'm like the complete opposite because I am one of the few people that just recently finished Game of Thrones. And I'm talking about on the podcast occasionally I'm like, spoilers for the show that's been out

[00:02:44] for like 10 years at this point. And it's like, okay, if you haven't watched the show at this point that like I luckily have missed spoilers from that show somehow in the last 10 years.

[00:02:52] But I'm like, yeah, spoilers for the show that's been out for a while that you've most likely seen. It sucked and I'm just reeling from that. I'm reeling. Anyways, hello and welcome to Gave Me Together Cooperative Podcast.

[00:03:03] Each pod we played through a cooperative experience related to you the list of this game is a criminal, a criminal cop or something better off playing solo. I'm your host, Nave and I'm here with my co-op partners, Jared from Playlong Podcast.

[00:03:15] Yo guys, what's up? What's up? Could to be here, Nave? It's been a hot second, but I'm so hyped to be here dude.

[00:03:20] Dude, I'm so ready. We've been hyping each other up for a little bit now waiting on Eric from Game Positive who was a last minute jump in. Hello Eric. Yo, what is up? Thanks for having me. I haven't been here in a long while.

[00:03:33] It feels like like destiny something I feel like I can't remember. Yeah, we've been needing to get you on for a minute. I was like, I feel like the last one I was kind of in Fortnite.

[00:03:43] I think we did another episode that was like me and Ky were on a Fortnite episode. I remember. Yeah, for sure. No Man's Sky. I don't remember which one was first. I don't remember which one came first, but it was one of those.

[00:03:53] What's really sad is I don't remember anything I ever talk about. The only way I can remember who's on what is I remember editing the thumbnail because I'm like, where did I put Jared's head in a mask?

[00:04:05] But Eric, I was bugging these shit out of you on Twitter. Like I sent him, I like Quinn Tuple texted him on Twitter. I was like, please, please man, you got to, I need you on. Did you actually? Because I feel like I missed half of those.

[00:04:20] I feel like I only got one message. I said, oh no. Yes, I said you three. That's okay. Because you posted about neon white on Twitter and I commented under it. I was like, what are you doing on Monday at six? And you're like, Hey, I can't.

[00:04:34] I got to do stuff until eight bare minimum. And I was like bet and I told Jared. I was like, Hey, we're pushing to eight. And then I never confirmed with you. So I'm like, that's no idea. That's what I do.

[00:04:44] That's how I sat down to get into like game mode. And then I got the message from you. I guess this shit's going down. Yeah, no, it's not as podcast mode. Dude, I appreciate you man.

[00:04:55] I'm really excited to talk about this starting with Jared since I introduced you first, I guess you want to plug where you're from, whatever the stuff. I don't know how to be a host. Yeah, yeah, no, it's all, it's all good. It's all good.

[00:05:07] Yeah, I'm Jared host one of the hosts of play along podcast. Our show we play through games in kind of like a book club format. Me and my other two co-hosts, Kai and Ben will each take turns choosing a game to play.

[00:05:18] So then we'll break it up into sections and then come together each week to talk about those sections specifically. And we play so many different games. All three of us have such a wide range of games that we enjoy.

[00:05:28] So we've done like awkward of times and Metal Gear Solid right now are playing through the remake of Resident Evil 2. And none of us had played, I'd never played any early Resident Evil. My first one was seven.

[00:05:38] So it's been cool jumping into some of the like early Resident Evil's especially with a remake because damn, it's just so good and it's beautiful. Yeah, we do a ton of things like that and a ton of different games.

[00:05:49] And then we have a side series that we do called get rekt as well. We kind of swap gaming recommendations from people. I think the last time Nate was on our podcast is was the get rekt that we did.

[00:05:59] Oh, we did like the D&D episode where you played Bowser, which was a ton of fun. Dude, my voice was hurting at the end of that. I was trying to be in character, but you killed it dude.

[00:06:09] Patrice has pushed you out of the way as this blur has landed down. You guys are met with the face of Bowser who has jumped down and attempted to grab cry. But it has grabbed Patrice and a secret guest if you want to unmute yourself for the group.

[00:06:39] It was so good. He, Nate sent it and it was perfect. But yeah, you can find us on all of your wherever you find podcasts to play along podcast and our socials play along. Hell yeah. And what about you Eric? Sweet. Yeah, my name is Eric.

[00:06:53] I go by game positive on Twitter and YouTube and stuff like that. I'm a senior contributor over at seasoned gaming.com. I do some writing over there. They somehow still let me write on that website even though I can't write like literally at all.

[00:07:07] I am a kind of a, a podcaster like on their life support right now. It's been tough to kind of keep episodes turning out after having kid number two. I thought it would be twice as hard. Turns out it's like 18 times as hard.

[00:07:21] But I am, I am starting to come back. I think actually like I remember being on like one of the earlier episodes of get wrecked. I think with Ben because I think you recommended him a Yakuza game. Yeah. And he, and he recommended the cluster truck. I think.

[00:07:36] Yeah. I remember that. It's just the same. The same game. Yeah. That was like, dude, that was like at least two years ago. I think that if like the first or second episode it was that. Yeah.

[00:07:50] It was like a new thing when I, when I was on and, and yeah, I do, I do podcast. I'm trying to ring it back. We have a format called insert coin which Nave was on and Ben from playing on podcast was on where we divided guests.

[00:08:06] Life, I guess into four quarters and go over like what impacted them in terms of like their gaming habits and things and how that changed over their life, which is pretty fun. It's been a long time since there's been an episode of that,

[00:08:18] but you could definitely check out the episode with Nave and with Ben. And yeah, I did, I did game pass awards a couple of years ago, but yeah, I'm just respawning right now pretty much with, with some guest appearances and I do have a couple episodes semi

[00:08:31] recent, but stay tuned. Speaking of all the cross pollinations, I was on the, what was it? Oh man. You just said it. The, the corns. It's still, still the most viewed episode. Not that any of them have tons and tons of views,

[00:08:47] but I think it's like close to a hundred. And it feels crazy. That's the very first time I ever guested on something. So it was that easy. So yeah, I have a little playlist on Spotify with everything of my guests and that one just sits on the top.

[00:09:01] So that's the first thing people see. It's been, yeah, dude, it's been, I shouldn't have, I shouldn't have stopped as much as I did, but I really didn't have a choice, but I literally remember like, like me being like super new to podcasting and not knowing anything.

[00:09:16] And then Nave being like, like slightly newer and asking me for like advice. I'm like, uh, here's some random shit. I'm thinking of off the top of my head. Yeah. It was extremely helpful time ago. Even the small amount, like if you're,

[00:09:31] if you're even a little bit proficient, anything listener and somebody super new, just even like 10% knowledge is better than zero. Like it's so helpful because being at zero percent knowledge is such a stressful chaotic place to be in. And we probably wouldn't have made it to,

[00:09:47] we're going on year three. We're on year three now, I think we wouldn't have done that without Eric. So I've always got a huge hard on for game positive. Dude, no, you guys, you guys are killing it. Both you guys, I still check out your podcasts.

[00:09:59] You guys have kept up with it and I wish I had the tenacity that you guys have had to keep churning episodes out. You guys are doing great stuff. Um, but yeah, dude, it feels like it wasn't that long ago, but it's, it's,

[00:10:11] well, that's what I was saying, especially with like having different guests on and everything. And I was like, damn, I got to get Nave back on the podcast because it's been a hot second. You too, Eric. Like it's like the early get rex,

[00:10:21] which was like two or three years ago almost, which is insane. Yeah. It's crazy. I remember Nave was like, dude, you can actually like talk to people or like comment on threads from your podcast's Twitter account. And I was like, yeah, dude, you should totally do that.

[00:10:37] And that's like all they do now. Yeah. I just deleted my old Twitter account. It's gone. It was like a week later. I was like, this is just my personal Twitter account now. Yeah. That's kind of what happened with me too. Yeah. That's how it is.

[00:10:49] Like most of the play along stuff is just what I use for my socials now. Like all of my personal stuff has all like been barren for years at this point. Yeah. No, but the growth you guys have had is awesome. I love to see it.

[00:10:58] Guys are killing it. Appreciate it. Appreciate it, man. Well, now that we're done catching up, let's talk about some video games. We are a gaming podcast and I haven't been playing a lot. So it's going to be very fast.

[00:11:10] The only game I have beaten a game this week. Listener. Let's go. It was this game. I beat Neon White, which is rare. It's rare that I actually beat the game that we're reviewing. Usually I leave that to Philip, but this game is a Nave ass game.

[00:11:23] And that's what people were telling me a year or two ago when this game first came out on everything but Xbox. Finally, us Xbox. What is it? Second class citizens over here. It feels like it, man. The third world country over here in the Xbox realm.

[00:11:40] We are finally getting I love. Okay. I love how Eric said, oh, I can't write. And the very first two words in my doc right here is Neon White, but I spelled it wrong. Do you know how I was like going to cry?

[00:11:52] I was like going to correct it and move the N over. But I was like, oh, this is like, I wanted to go in here and start correcting things. Yeah, you guys have docs. Oh, I need this desk. I don't know.

[00:12:03] Philip can do all this probably off of memory by now, but I need this now because I tried two weeks ago just by myself and weighing it. I can't do it. I don't have the tenacity. I started doing like, I have our like housekeeping,

[00:12:17] but it's pretty much like what the podcast is written down and I do every episode because I was just winging it and I was like, let me just write this down. So at least there's some level of consistency other than that.

[00:12:27] Just like game walkthroughs are our notes now. We used to take notes and like as we're playing games and I was like, people do this for a living. Why don't I just use like game walkthroughs? It makes sense. Yeah, I don't like, I will look at the bottom

[00:12:40] of the notes later whenever we're talking about the game, but it's scattered down there. I don't know what I'm doing. My, my 2024 games tier list. I threw neon white into a right above hollow night and below vanquish, which is kind of appropriate.

[00:12:57] Those all three of these games are very similar. That's how one Miami's right there too. It's all in the same grouping. I really love neon white, but I like vanquish a little bit more mostly because it's stupid. But I've also been playing cassette beast,

[00:13:12] which is going to be next week's episode with Phillip on listener. So if you're waiting to hear from Phillip, if you hate my humor, you love his humor. He's going to be here for that. Cassette beast is really cool,

[00:13:23] but that's all I'm really going to say about that. Have you guys played cassette beasts? Yeah, I haven't gotten far in it, but I have kind of like a weird story about it. Like I was when I was first playing it,

[00:13:34] I don't know like what happened to me, but like early on in the game, when you first like go to the town and go to like the cafe, this like song starts playing. And for some reason it just like exploded my,

[00:13:46] or melted my brain and just like brought me back to like high school. It's like, it's such a like an early 2000s kind of like indie, kind of slower rock song. And I was like literally sitting there listening to it,

[00:13:59] just like contemplating my life and like feeling all this nostalgia rush in and getting like almost emotional listening to it. And I like was just like so, I don't know why it's so, probably never happened to anybody else.

[00:14:11] But for some reason just to whatever my state of mind that day was, whatever the fuck was happening, we could swear it. Yeah, absolutely. I don't know why, but I just sat in that cafe in this fucking like Pokemon game and was just like vibing to this music

[00:14:26] and just like having a fricking moment. It was crazy. The music is really good, especially inside of buildings like, I don't know if it's all buildings, but especially in that main town. I don't know. I definitely let that music just sit there and play.

[00:14:40] So it's appropriate considering the games about literal cassettes and stuff like that. What were you about to say, Jared? So good. No, I was just going to say that I dabble a little bit on it because I mean, I love Pokemon. So anytime there's a Pokemon esque,

[00:14:52] a jacid game, we're usually checking it out and there's so many of them at this point now. I haven't got too far in the cassette piece, but the concept of like being able to fuse them to is really cool.

[00:15:01] And I like that idea of like creating new beasts from that. But yeah, it's the static is so cool in that game too. It is really cool. And it just recently, because it's like, Oh, cooperative. Where's the multiplayer? By the way, this episode,

[00:15:12] we don't have multiplayer neon white at all either. But a cassette base does have multiplayer now up to eight people can wander around in the same world. That's crazy. I didn't see that. You're all your own instances now, but or not now.

[00:15:25] I mean, you're in the same world, but like you see everything unique to your play through. And the only real interaction you could do is like trading or like battling each other. And then there are these like, like I don't know if they were originally in the game,

[00:15:42] but they're like boss mini boss battles that are kind of randomly spawning around on the map. And you, I think they're called raids. And then you can invite one other person to join you. So rather than it be you and your partner,

[00:15:53] it'll be you and the person in your multiplayer game. And you, so instead of having six Pokemon, you'll have all 12 of your Pokemon. Oh, that's cool. So it really buffs you up, which is good cause those fights are really hard. I don't know why I'm explaining this.

[00:16:08] The cassette beast episode coming out next week listener. That's all for me. Eric, you don't got nothing written down. So why don't you tell us about what you're playing? I'm playing a few things. I'm playing a V rising on PS five.

[00:16:22] I got a code for that to do some impressions for it. I played it on PC when it was in early access, but the one point Oh dropped semi recently with like that Castlevania crossover and I started playing it on PS five.

[00:16:35] I'd say it's slightly easier to control with the mouse and keyboard, but I mean, it's not, it's nothing significant. If you prefer playing with a controller, definitely fully playable on PS five, but the game is awesome. Like if you like survival style games,

[00:16:50] like a almost like a power world without the Pokemon style game where you just kind of gather resources and like build up a base and you're a vampire. So you don't need like food and water. You just need blood to kind of sustain yourself,

[00:17:03] which you get from killing literally everything. But the gameplay, like the actual like, like combat mechanics are super, super, super solid. Cause I find a lot of games like that, like power world or the new one that popped up once human,

[00:17:17] like they're all have a certain level of jank to them, especially when it comes to combat, which makes PVP kind of really not that fun. But with the V rising, the combat mechanics are awesome. It's like almost almost top down isometric.

[00:17:34] It's kind of like a shifted camera and there's like, it kind of feels like if we were playing like League of Legends, but with a, with like free movement with like a thumb stick. So it's like super, super fun.

[00:17:47] And you can play in a PvE world or PVP world, but if you're going to PVP world, you can just like, yeah, you can like fuck people's bases up, steal all their shit. You can go in clans, you can play in twos. It's just like super, super fun.

[00:17:59] I hope it comes to Xbox eventually because I don't know, I just PVP and Xbox just go hand in hand for me. And I would much rather play it over there for that aspect, but it is super, super good.

[00:18:12] Also still going through my like ADHD play through of Starfield, which is kind of a fun way to play it. I think it's just like a basically when you play Starfield, you just whatever tasks you're doing, if somebody asks you to do something else,

[00:18:26] you just do that until that's kind of, is you're always just like taking on new new tasks and yeah, that's hilarious. Which yeah, which with how that game is structured, it's very like as soon as you get off that like mining plan

[00:18:39] in the beginning and get to a new, new Atlantis, you're just like every five step zones asking you to do something. So it's, you don't really get a lot accomplished, but it's pretty fun. And I find it actually adds a little bit of immersion to it

[00:18:50] because you're really focused on like NPCs and talking to them and stuff like that. So it's pretty good. Outside of that, I'm still addicted to World of Warcraft Classic. I still play way too much Halo PVP, but those are like the two main kind of new games.

[00:19:04] We just jumped into some Halo like I might have been a month ago now at this point, but like the, we were playing a bunch of custom games and there's, there's still like bunches of groups. There's a lot of custom games going around.

[00:19:14] There was this one really fun like custom map. There's like a giant, like a lowercase B. I don't know how to describe it. It was like a loop, but it was really wide on the middle and there's like a teleporter.

[00:19:25] And so basically there were Warthogs that had red and blue lights. And you're chasing down everyone else trying to blow them up like everyone's driving on mongooses trying to run away from the cops. It's, it's a really stupid game mode. It lasts forever,

[00:19:40] but it's fun when you have like a group of eight or nine people within one party. Oh man. Halo custom games were always a blast. They're always just bat shit crazy. Yeah, that's how we do customs every Sunday night, every Tuesday night.

[00:19:52] We don't really do like the crazy shit. It's more just like Slayer, but just like like friend, like IRL friends and stuff like that, which is pretty good. I also forgot to mention I had played both weekends of the Concorde beta. How did you feel about it?

[00:20:06] Cause I actually like enjoyed it when it was announced. I was like, oh, there's just another like dumb hero shooter, but I was like, oh, this is actually kind of fun. So I think the announcement, unfortunately it was like super bad.

[00:20:18] I don't know if I'm alone in this, but when they teased it last year and they just kind of like showed like more of a concept and a title, I kind of had it in my head. I don't know why I've thought this,

[00:20:29] but I kind of had it in my head that it was kind of be like a borderlands or destiny style experience. And I feel like a lot of people thought that because it's coming from PlayStation, right? And they're really known for stories,

[00:20:39] and stories like that high production value stories. And then when they revealed it fully, they kind of led with this like five, six minute character piece cut scene that really hammered home that, okay, this is the, why else would I be introduced to these characters this way

[00:20:55] if there wasn't, if this wasn't like some type of story based kind of adventure or co-op, whatever. And then immediately they cut to the dad's like, this was a 5v5 PVP only. And that was just like gave me like a little bit of whiplash.

[00:21:08] I wasn't as down on it as other people, but playing it, it's awesome. Like you can tell that these people really understand how to make a multiplayer game. I can see where the Overwatch character or comparisons come from. Like if you just watched the trailer,

[00:21:23] but have you played a couple rounds? It's definitely not Overwatch. I think there is some, I think some issues they're going to have is the kind of key factors in the game are the things that they do that are like

[00:21:36] kind of separate itself from other games like the crew system and the kind of variant system and things like that that are kind of really unique to Concord are not talked about at all in any of the marketing.

[00:21:50] And I feel like a lot of people don't even see that. Like I actually like, seeked out people's opinions on it and there's a lot of negativity around the game and every single person that I saw kind of hating on it never mentioned the crew system once,

[00:22:03] which I think is one of the most unique aspects of the game. They really didn't like the kind of competitive style mode, which really kind of that kind of is where I think most of the development went into because outside of the crew and the variant system,

[00:22:18] the kind of fact that your deployables and things like that can will last for the whole game. So if you put down like a healing rift and like round one and you can like set up different strategies to have different things be in kind of mold the map

[00:22:32] to whatever your strategy is and it will persist. They don't mention this stuff like that because they didn't spend enough time in the beta to really experience that and they just kind of went with their gut reaction to just the first few games of Kill Confirmed or whatever

[00:22:47] they got thrown into and there's no tutorial to explain it. That's the biggest thing. It's like not and there is like how to play instructions that are all like like text. You can go into the text and like read how to play, but there's no tutorial.

[00:23:00] You just get thrown in. You got to figure it out. And I also have that same mentality of like, oh, overwatch. Like I know that I know Hero Shooter. I kind of get an idea and it's at least like on the surface

[00:23:11] is like that, but like he said very different and like things you place down can affect and will stay there throughout the year. There's more strategy to it. The like like trait system and everything and encouraging like swapping between different heroes

[00:23:23] during a match to build that up is such a cool concept. But like I said, not talked about really at all. No. And because it kind of started like with a hand tied behind its back with that reveal and people kind of went

[00:23:35] into it with bad vibes and they didn't stick around long enough to get that experience or see those unique things and the game didn't like go out of its way to make that stuff known. I think it's, I think it, I kind of am worried about it

[00:23:47] to be honest because on top of all of that they're asking you to pay 40 bucks for it. And I think you really, you really needed to hit the ground running and have a really awesome kind of first step in order to convince people.

[00:24:00] I personally like hope more games charge because like I play a ton of Apex and if you as a new player just downloaded Apex and started playing now, you're screwed dude. There's so many things that you don't have access to so many like characters that you can't get

[00:24:17] without paying or grinding a ton for and like in this game you just get everything and I don't know what the monetization is like in the beta. They didn't have like a shop available or battle pass you can kind of look through. So if it launches, it keeps,

[00:24:32] it doesn't improve kind of the general consensus in terms of people's opinion and it launches with some aggressive microtransactions like and all the articles that will spawn from that. Like I think it's, I don't know. I hope that it does well because like I said

[00:24:47] the game, the core game itself is really, really solid and the team that makes it are clearly like really, really good at making a PvP game and like their pedigree kind of speaks for itself. But I don't know. I think they kind of stumbled out the gate

[00:25:01] with the marketing side of it and Yeah, I was pleasantly surprised with it being $40. I think a lot of people have a mentality where like multiplayer especially hero shooters are free to play. So it's like, oh this game you have to charge for it.

[00:25:14] But I was like, I was assuming because I knew that it wasn't free to play that it was going to be full priced like at 69, 70 bucks and it being 40 I was like, wow, that's actually pretty cool.

[00:25:22] Like you said, I wish more games that were kind of like this were a cheaper value, especially if you could just like you said get all the characters and kind of everything at once instead of having to grind out all of this stuff

[00:25:32] and a lot of that takes skill too and if you're new to the game and you're just getting like beat down every time and you have that barrier ventures a lot harder but to my understanding too, they're going to like

[00:25:43] because there's a lot of long cut scenes happen especially in the beginning of the beta it's going to be like an ongoing narrative that happens so it's a 5v5 shooter but like every now and then you'll jump in and there'll be new story

[00:25:55] and new lore updates will be like a five minute cut scene at the beginning of your game and everything like that. I feel like I said it was going to be weekly thing. It is weekly. Oh, interesting. Okay. But it's only like a minute or two.

[00:26:06] Like they're not that long, at least the ones they show they only showed two so far like first and second week and it's cool but like you like yeah like the if I'm trying to think of the last like super successful multiplayer only game

[00:26:19] that was pay like you had to buy it to play it and like I'm only thinking of like Overwatch. Yeah, and even like big things like that like Overwatch is free to play now. Destiny is free to play like all those ones that were Merced everything around it.

[00:26:32] Like that's like a decade ago. That was like 2015 I think. All of those big shooters like went the free to play. I mean the only thing I can forget is Call of Duty right Call of Duty's multiplayer is still attached to the full price aside from like Warzone

[00:26:46] but the dedicated multiplayer is still attached to the full price game other than that like everything else is free to play. The different. They get the buy bleeding edge. Yes. That's why it says that's successful. Oh no. But with Call of Duty you get a campaign

[00:27:02] you get a zombies mode you get like the last one I think of a raid. It's more of a complete package for sure. Yeah. It's really going to come down to monetization. This is the most concerning thing for me and now I don't know why I can't go

[00:27:12] I'm on Steam charts right now which is this is primarily a PlayStation game. I would just assume I think most people probably because it's exclusive right early. It is a console. Exclusive exclusive. I don't know what the fuck I just said but

[00:27:24] the Concord beta on Steam charts peaked at two thousand three hundred sixty three players and never reached two thousand again like it was that one moment and then it just down down down at some points it's like at four hundred players seven hundred players.

[00:27:42] That's kind of crazy and the beta was just open right like yeah last week it was yeah because they did a pre-order one and then it was a full open beta like any that's when I played yeah you assume the like you expect a drop off

[00:27:55] but like you would assume the peak would be during the beta right like way way more anybody can play it. Yeah I think that's around what Halo Infinite is today but when Halo Infinite launched its peak was like 220k. Yeah that's I didn't realize that

[00:28:11] that's not low that's insane. What it makes it sad to you well so I was on fuck neon pocket dimension I think on the for the PlayStation show because they just love my negative energy over there or something I don't know why they

[00:28:23] invited me to that but I was on someone show for the PlayStation thing and I went on it I went on one about this game mostly because I think that I agree with you guys to an extent about like I think that games probably

[00:28:34] shouldn't be free to play if you really can help it but like the unfortunate thing about Concord is that it was announced but not announced but it was shown off what it actually is in the same like couple of days timeframe that like Valorant for

[00:28:48] consoles coming out like there was like four other hero shooters that were free getting announced yeah I'm like the Marvel Rivals was in the Sony thing like yeah it was in the directly competing with I was like oh my goodness that's so and it was at

[00:29:04] first I was like oh it looks generic but whatever and then after the show when I realized you had to pay money for it I was like oh that's that's really cruel that seems cruel so it's gonna be a big hit on it for sure because again

[00:29:16] everyone has the free to play mentality with a lot of these shooters and especially because not like an existing franchise it's a brand new IP it's gonna be hard for a lot of people to jump on it but I do like hearing

[00:29:27] about I love hearing about Sony side over there I don't know what the hell is going on I'm just ignorant over here playing my neon whites and my cassette beast on my game pass that's getting more expensive yeah that's true that's true where is

[00:29:41] it though still worth for sure so Jared we talked about isn't evil to remake but you got anything else I got any other games to talk about yeah yeah so my main one I've been playing obviously resident evil we've been doing for the podcast so I've been

[00:29:56] busting through that I've been playing Liza P I've been being really dick down by Liza P is pretty much what's been happening that game's fun it's it's such a good time but it's like these pockets of just like I get stuck on a boss and then

[00:30:09] it's like if I take any kind of break if I'm like okay I don't want to be sad tonight let me play something else and then I go back it's like all of that like progress I made is just gone and I have to like restart and like

[00:30:21] learn controls and everything like that and it's good Liza P is such a good game the parry system is like flawless like it expects you to be perfect with a lot of those like the boss fight I'm on now is champion Victor

[00:30:33] which he's not necessarily a hard boss but if you can't like get those parries right or dodgers right because there's some that are really hard to dodge he'll just like because he's just a big dude

[00:30:43] that just punches you which is weird because a lot of the other bosses like swords or knives or whatever they just gonna come up and punch you and if you can't bury him you're just gonna get like three four punches and you're just done after that

[00:30:53] but really what kind of what kind of build are you playing with I'm doing strength which is what I normally do oh good luck so I I did not realize if he I quit at the finish line no Ben said the same thing

[00:31:08] I would know I could never ever do that no matter what the problem okay this is the issue that everyone everyone that's you it's the game actively punishes you for playing strength actively because it is like the worst way to play

[00:31:22] the game there there's a worst way to play any of these types of games and strength is like it's like a left here and then there's like two tears with empty and then on the beat here there's everything else and so and I honestly

[00:31:36] I didn't really struggle a ton and Liza P until I got to the last chapter where there are just the fights are ruthless you're way too slow to ever hit anything and then but and I just bulldozed my way through everything I don't know how to parry

[00:31:50] I just refuse to play I got to play blood in this game not parrying it's hard yes insane it's really hard I would just accidentally parry when I'm trying to do stuff but like I got it I just got to

[00:32:04] I got to buckle down and just play Sackero I got to learn how to parry I've never learned I always just dodge roll dodge roll just does not cut it in this game Oh absolutely especially because people have such wide range of attacks

[00:32:16] where even if you dodge roll you're still in the area of attack and you're still getting hit by those but the only souls experience I had previous to this was playing through the first Dark Souls and I didn't parry in that game at all until the end

[00:32:26] where I heard that like oh the last boss is literally a piece of piss if you can parry him and I was like oh sweet so I learned how to parry him and he's like one of the easiest bosses in that game but I didn't parry at all

[00:32:38] in Dark Souls and then this game I'm just like it's all parry all the time it's it's wiser you should learn how to parry if you play Liza P that's the reason why I'm so down on it I do acknowledge that it's great

[00:32:50] but I see everyone going like oh it's the best I'm like yeah play a strength build and dodge roll through it and that was my only I did strengthen Dark Souls so I was like I guess I'll just do strength again

[00:33:00] in this one because that's what I did it's fun I had the big old monkey wrench or whatever I'm just jumping attack there it's fucking it feels great but yeah so I think I need to just sit down and play that because if I take breaks

[00:33:14] it's like I have to restart all over again and learning bosses and all that has not been fun unlike the multiplayer side I've been playing so much X to find X to find is so fun it's it's like call of duty

[00:33:26] and it has like the little tiny bits of pure shooter with some of the abilities and classes and everything like that but it's good it's just a good fun multiplayer shooter and I've been recently trying to learn to be better at keyboard and mouse with

[00:33:38] shooters and this has been a good like training for me is learning how to be better at that which is which has been good but I mean I want them to do like weird shit with that because they have some UB stop has some weird IPs

[00:33:50] like put the rat the rabbits is a class like get some weird stuff in there that would assassins creating that be fun yeah I played a bunch of X to find it so I actually did the review for it for season gaming and the video review

[00:34:02] on on season game is YouTube channel I think I gave it a 8 and a half or 9 I can't remember but I really liked it unfortunately Valorant came out and that my whole like squad kind of rotated to that shift it over to Valorant yeah but I'm

[00:34:16] with you dude with getting like stretching the IP like there is like they kind of I don't know if you did you do the training mode I don't think so I don't like there's like a training course that you can do in ex-fiant

[00:34:30] and they have a lot of stuff there's a rabbit that you can shoot the shit out of oh that's I know they have like because you can like thumbs up people and everything at the end of match I know you can have like

[00:34:40] emo packs and one of them is like the rabbits and things like that which is yeah but I think like a Prince of Persia guy that's like melee Assassin's Creed would be cool Leonardo da Vinci yeah give me the the tank around the Pope

[00:34:58] we're holding the apple of Eden one shot to everyone it is a really fun game I really like that there's no skill based matchmaking in social games it's a really cool thing and it kind of scratches that like call of duty itch right like if you're not

[00:35:16] wanting we talked about how the multiplayer is still attached to the full price game if you're not wanting to do that then this is almost like the next I would say this is probably the next best thing if that's what you're wanting to lean

[00:35:26] again like I said like Overwatch-esque mechanics but I wouldn't say it leans that far to still not just be a shooter the thing about it that I like more than Overwatch I can't play Overwatch it's just the time to kill is atrocious in Overwatch

[00:35:40] and I know it's the point I understand that I and I and people play the game for that or for the aesthetics or whatever but you die relatively fast call of duty style but you still kind of have these like weird

[00:35:52] perk like you have these passives and everyone's doing all these weird things I really am looking forward to like the roster getting expanded that's when I jump back into it I haven't deleted it yet Philip deleted it right away I just don't have anyone that really

[00:36:04] wants to play with me for this game specifically which is a shame Rachel was playing with me for a little bit but she doesn't like competitive games and she just straight up is just like I don't like what this game does to you like

[00:36:18] the elevated heart rate your pupils are dilated you're standing right in front of the TV you gotta lock in you gotta lock in sometimes hell yeah ironically I feel like ex-define is more like Overwatch than Concord is I think a bunch of both yeah yeah I would

[00:36:34] agree with that for sure mechanically I guess visually obviously the colorful aesthetic of Concord is more like Overwatch but once you actually play them ex-fine it's way more like Overwatch and it never got that criticism yeah so interesting and the last thing I've been playing I

[00:36:50] made the decision in our discord that I was going to play through all the Sonic games at least all the ones that are are you know traditional esk sonic mechanics of how that works so I'm I'm playing them in order of release and

[00:37:04] I'm on Sonic 3 and Knuckles right now which I've never played I heard that one's a fantastic and it is it's been it's been so good but man there's a lot of really bad Sonic games that came out I played Sonic Spinball I did Spinball for Genesis

[00:37:20] and the game gear oh that game is so bad it was so frustrating to try to beat Spinball but Sonic 3 and Knuckles is great I'm also doing a tierless style like Navies for his games and I'm going to rank all of them as I play

[00:37:34] them I haven't finished Sonic 3 and Knuckles but it's it's it's up there it's so good I played mania before I had jumped on this and it's definitely giving me those vibes even though it's opposite because mania is the vibes of the old one

[00:37:48] but I played mania first but Sonic 3 and Knuckles is great I'm having a great time with it not looking forward to a lot of the bad Sonic games like Sonic 06 and things like that but hey I'm excited I'm excited nonetheless dude do not let the official

[00:38:00] Sonic the hedgehog Twitter account catch wind of you tierless games if you anything's below see he's savage man I don't know if he's still savage I just remember him being savage that's great no I didn't realize he was still active on Twitter and everything like that

[00:38:14] that's awesome there is it there was one oh I mean yeah he's still tweeting he's not being ruthless though he's just tweeting like memes kind of like the opera GX Twitter account that's so funny wouldn't like big companies like that are just like memeing and everything

[00:38:29] but I'm not sure it's it's hilarious I'm going in with open open an open mind though I mean I played it a little bit in lawn at launch and even then I was like well this game is really bad but who knows maybe maybe it'll change my mind

[00:38:41] maybe not maybe playing Sonic Spinball or I don't remember the name of it it's like Sega Sonic the hedgehog which was like a Japanese arcade game that played with a trackball playing those bad games makes Sonic 06 look like a fucking masterpiece so who

[00:38:55] knows who knows that shit makes me cut my own head off like Sonic with a trackball is so but I found I was trying to emulate it and there's like a way to emulate arcade games like that but I didn't want to jump through all the hoops

[00:39:09] so I found a way to just play it in browser but again it was played with a trackball so I was like trying to use the arrow keys on the mouse to control Sonic it's it was fucking awful it was terrible although hearing Sonic's Japanese voices

[00:39:21] is great his Japanese voice actor is hilarious it's like Goku between the English and the Japanese it's like it's that like difference between the two it's so funny but yeah playing that game was so bad on a keyboard it was awful all right that's what I've been playing

[00:39:37] speaking of going fast we're running a little long so I'm gonna go real quick through the what did they buy I bought Blooms Tower Defense 6 everyone's played Blooms Tower Defense AI the Somnium vials this used to be on Game Pass I didn't play it so now I bought

[00:39:51] it Steel Rising also which looks like Liza P before Liza P Liza P especially in the screenshot something about mannequins or whatever it looks like a soul's like I don't know it's pretty though fairly pretty new pod updates there's no updates Phillip is still in Afghanistan

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[00:40:43] I'm lonely, I'm lonely out here speaking into the void also do it to play along podcast and game positive go and show some love to all of us thank you so much we're gonna hit a break and then we're gonna do the AMI the asshole which

[00:40:57] you don't know about this do you Eric? I've never done one with you guys now that'll be really really fun break music to play so do you have the notes open did I send you the notes? you never sent me the notes I said that three times uh

[00:41:22] well that was technically the third time so yeah oh no it's right there it's like a bubble it looks like technically speaking you sent it to me immediately I just thought it was the Zincaster link you know how Jared you know how like whenever you send a link

[00:41:40] and then it'll show you a preview of what it is oh yeah yeah yeah for some reason the Zincaster link is just a hyperlink and then the Google Doc is only the preview no hyperlink so it looks like the preview to the Zincaster

[00:41:52] it looks like it's just the Zincaster preview instead of that strange yeah it tripped me out dang it alright but I did do that last week I did not send the or the week before I said I bill from gaming collecting did not have the notes

[00:42:06] for like an hour and a half and never sent anything just just appreciated uh hanging out so I'm I'm picking one of these yeah so we're all gonna pick one oh shit okay and then we'll read through it we'll discuss if they're the asshole or not

[00:42:20] I probably read a bunch of these already on I go on the sub actually I'm at the asshole yeah especially like the video game ones the video game ones are hilarious this is the best thing Philips ever contributed to the plot honestly

[00:42:34] this doc probably took a long time to compile alright so we got our MIT asshole here nerd with curves which probably is not a burner but it doesn't look like they post a whole lot they're posting in what is this rare puppers wedding planning curly hair potentially

[00:42:56] I think this is a female okay they also post an r slash reform Jews what is that okay this isn't bad that sounds bad this isn't bad okay okay am I the asshole for putting the cabash on zombie killing recently I've 26 females

[00:43:20] started having more alone time with my boyfriend's 30 male son 8 we'll call him I'm just gonna say Jason with the K because I'm not gonna I'm not calling this kid Kason that is like some no I don't like it we're done with that

[00:43:36] the funny thing is that it's like I spent some alone time with my boyfriends and 30 male and then it's like multiple no it does say boyfriends but I thought was funny yeah my boyfriend works a rotating swing shift so when we have Jason with the K

[00:43:52] I'm the one who's home with him now Jason with the K literally just turned 8 a week ago and is on the immature side holy shit the 8 year old is immature that's crazy my rules when I'm watching him are no video games above his age range and only

[00:44:08] an hour and a half of video games he can't yeah so okay we'll get to that he constantly winds quote but at my mom's house dot dot dot and quote he's allowed to play video games all day and the rating is irrelevant I'm talking GTA is acceptable

[00:44:24] damn my boyfriend says my rules are fine but then turns around and lets Jason with the K play things like Red Dead Redemption 2 and Apex so I look like a total strict asshole when I tell him no he can't play Dying Light

[00:44:40] am I the asshole for wanting to keep things age appropriate oh my god I just had a revelation when you it says A H and you said asshole and I always I just thought they were censoring the word ass like a strict ah there was a preview

[00:44:56] I've always read it that way I never realized that's asshole abbreviated I don't I feel like I'm on that's actually wrong you said it um so there's some there's some like more detail that I would need to give a definitive rating I need to know if this girl

[00:45:16] is a gamer I'm assuming about her boyfriend is a gamer um if she like well first of all like this is gonna I'm gonna be the parent in the podcast I'm gonna be the grown up um there has to be a like

[00:45:32] like they have to agree on a rule and they have to do the rule whichever way they end up leaning it's technically not her kid but she is technically the mother figure in this scenario like a stepmother but they have to have a united front

[00:45:48] you can't fuck around like that but I don't think that if you're keeping it age appropriate and you're literally saying you can't play games that are like you basically if he's 8 and she goes by ESRB he can only play E so he couldn't even play like Crash Bandicoot

[00:46:08] he couldn't play like OOG Halo I do have an answer for this uh so she is in the comments and so a couple of threads down she says she refuses to let him do any online interactions and the boyfriend monitors online interactions hardcore

[00:46:24] she is a pretty hard PC gamer and knows the pain of age appropriate gamers online and she refuses to add to that and then his dad only lets this person the kid play with him so if it's a question about like voice chat with strangers

[00:46:38] then I'm 100% don't let a year old do that I wouldn't let my kid do that basically everyone is going to have a different opinion when I was 8 I was going to the video store renting Friday the 13th I was playing Doom Soldier Fortune and shooting a dude

[00:46:56] with a shotgun in the first level over and over again cutting him up with a machete while he was bleeding out from his dick I was doing that shit when I was 8 I still remember the first time I showed my dad TOROCK and I shot the first human

[00:47:10] and he went bleeding from his neck and he had a horrific reaction and I was so shocked like what what's wrong I didn't see anything wrong with it as a kid so like if I was making a situation I would say you could play anything that you want

[00:47:28] but I would block online communication with strangers but obviously you monitor the situation if your kid is like starting to like kill like cats or something like Tim if your 8 year old starts writing a manifesto like he's like little dexter over here

[00:47:44] then you would start probably changing some shit but the key here is they have to have a united front they're both assholes yeah man I I don't know I think I agree with you for sure because there's such just going off of ESRB there's so many like

[00:48:02] games that are mature or that are teen or that are whatever that at least in my opinion don't have a lot of like explicit content to it again I brought up like Halo 1 like I played Halo 1 as a kid and it's like nothing's in there besides blood possibly

[00:48:18] but like you said going off of age range I saw you pull out Russian and clink there I don't know if that's E10 probably yeah I was trying to find a T rated game that's not bad I'm trying to think of a T rated game Jack 3

[00:48:32] Jack 3 is teen Freddy Fish yeah like things like that like come on I guess if your I would not be as strict like this you gotta describe to him what God is you gotta tell him that there are different religions it's Zeus yeah like play up my ear

[00:48:52] look at the game yourself play the game yourself and figure it out but just going based off of like the rating of the game feels kind of dumb like it feels dumb to just be like oh this is teen I have no idea what's in this game

[00:49:04] but my kid is not a teenager so they will not be playing this game that's a stupid approach look at the games look at the content I know GTA can be pretty intense but I was like again I remember playing

[00:49:14] GTA back in the day like San Andreas and things like that like it's sometimes it's what you gotta do right that's why I was asking if she was a gamer because it sounded like she wasn't where she was so hard struck on those ratings because there's a lot

[00:49:26] of T games that are perfectly fine for kids sure yeah probably just have to like you know research the games that your kids are wanting to play I mean when we're looking we're talking about GTA redid redemption 2 I understand the idea of like

[00:49:40] okay maybe I shouldn't show my 8 year old saw maybe my 8 year old shouldn't be beating the streets in like 5 I think you're right about that I didn't consider that like if you if you have this whole like you can't do this around me but the boyfriend's

[00:49:52] like yeah this is fine then you have a very unbalanced dynamic going on well absolutely and then that fucks with the kid too it does but also the boyfriend gets to be the cool dad he's like don't let you don't listen to him

[00:50:06] I get my benefit from this that will grow into bigger and bigger problem too because it will start being like oh dad lets me like have a sip of his beer or two take a drag off his cigar dad lets me split a gummy with him

[00:50:22] dad let me hit the bong rip one time it's fine yeah and yeah it leads to lots of problems you have to be united alright well I go light asshole I guess I don't know how do you feel about that because there was also in here

[00:50:40] the limit of time too it was an hour and a half a day for gaming yeah that's another thing where you kind of need more context because if the kid like let's say this random schedule kid gets off school like let's say 2pm

[00:50:54] and if that kid's playing from like 2 to 5 stopping to eat supper for like 10 minutes and then playing from like 5 10 to like 8 o'clock every day then yeah I could see setting limits on it because that's probably too much but if the kid's like oh I just want

[00:51:06] to play like an extra half an hour or like 7 I want to play till 9 then that's like worse I mean I don't know how kids are nowadays too but I remember I had lived with my aunt and uncle for a while

[00:51:20] and they did have like a cap on like you could play 2 hours of games a day but me and my cousin just like ran around and loved exploring outside too so I still went outside and did a bunch of shit too

[00:51:30] and still felt like I had enough time for video games so again with all this it's kind of a play by play by ear situation right like it might work for some might not work for others but again with the rating that's that's done

[00:51:42] do your research don't just be like nope can't do that because it's a mature routine or whatever I was also kind of like that whenever I was a kid my parents both of them were just like this is the babysitting machine but I also I would have like

[00:51:54] friends come over and be like hey let's go to the park and I'd be like oh fuck yeah and I'd go out into the park so it's just like anytime I was alone I was in front of the Nintendo 64 constantly

[00:52:04] and then any the moment someone knocked on my window I was outside just do something else so yep I don't know and then at night just screaming at each other at Mario Party which was always a good time it's all discretion use discretion everyone's different

[00:52:16] if your kid is if your kids displaying addictive behavior then maybe don't let them play a lot of video games otherwise and if he's if he's skinning turtles maybe don't let him play Doom otherwise you know actually I'm gonna have a little bit of a curve here

[00:52:32] thinking about it more I think that the boyfriend's the asshole you have to be like I said you have to have a united front right she had a rule set that she presented to him and he accepted it and then he broke it

[00:52:44] so he's the asshole it's math I mean even like Maeve was saying in his situation he's the golden boy he's just like yeah don't do this in front of mom or mother figure at the end he was like I mean you can do it a little it's fine

[00:52:58] don't listen to her she just gets like that that's the kind of situation I am weak it's okay I'm an asshole I am weak everyone can smell it in the water animals can smell it children can smell it they know I'm like here dog

[00:53:12] eat this chocolate you look so sad without it please and it's like yeah but he could have just said no I want him to be able to play these games and I want him to be able to play for

[00:53:22] however long he wants and if he said that then he's not the asshole anymore right that's just a different parenting style it's the lying or the bigger thing is being like yes we'll do this and then not following through with it exactly

[00:53:32] but out of all those red-dip redemption 2 let the kid play that he's gonna learn to be a good man he's gonna learn how to hunt I feel like dying light's not aside from being like if your kid starts having nightmares then maybe reassess

[00:53:46] this too it's like I'm having nightmares of zombies chasing me like sure maybe pull back from the dying light a bit but he was fine too that kid doesn't know what a train is he's not gonna be able to know what tuberculosis is

[00:53:58] he ain't gonna be able to play red-dip too anyway that was a pretty nice simple clean whatever Kingdom Hearts says we're going on to the next one Jared's by AyaPK and this is a throwaway it's the only post so we don't gotta worry about none of that stuff

[00:54:18] none of that stuff alright am I the asshole for expecting my wife to close my switch game properly before switching game cards this oh man this is it's home okay like this it's home for me when I read this I felt this too

[00:54:36] so there's only one Nintendo switch in the house and it's shared between me, my wife and two young kids normally me or my kids will have our gaming sessions after which we just put the switch in sleep mode mainly so we can resume the game on the next

[00:54:48] session I assume that the whole benefit of having a sleep feature in the first place when it comes to switching game cards I have told my kids multiple times they have to close the current game in the main menu first the switch basically warns you as much

[00:55:00] warns you as much if you were to pull the game card out without closing it first the kids have been guilty of swapping the cards without closing it in the past but for the last year or so they've been really good about it

[00:55:12] so basically only close the game in the main menu if there's a desire to switch the game cartridge I'm trying to pre- what do you think he did to the kids to get them so good at what threats were made I will

[00:55:24] take the switch outside and break it with a hammer oh oh Eric's just gone oh no Eric that was the last straw for Eric we have to stop the audio now hold on he's coming back he's coming back Eric go he's back is it gonna be okay?

[00:55:40] I don't know what happened there usually with Zencast Eric just like dips on comes back in I know what you're saying you were so upset about the game switching card you're like I gotta get out of here I have no thoughts but carry on

[00:55:50] what were you saying Dave I don't remember I was just jostling me awake when Eric was I don't remember either okay I've tried preaching this to my wife a few times stating the ones is on whoever wants to switch the game to close the game she wholly disagrees

[00:56:08] and says because the switch is shared family privilege the game must always be closed after each gaming session by whoever has played it before I feel she equates it to putting dishes into the dishwasher after you've done it which makes sense in the world of dishes

[00:56:22] am I the asco for asking my wife to conform to the already established practice bad analogy like oh I hate bad analogies so much this is insane this is wild okay I have a switch that I play frequently I pull cards all the time

[00:56:38] I have been guilty of doing this for sure what has happened in this guy's life that this has caused a problem and like theoretically let's say he lost a save or some catastrophic thing happened you know what he should probably do

[00:56:52] fucking close the game himself when he's done playing it what a bold idea if you pick up the switch and you have a game you want to play and it's not the game that's currently like in playing mode or whatever then you should just change the game

[00:57:06] you want to play whatever you want to play whoever finished playing the game that's currently running they could have closed it but he didn't so I would say I don't mean for the sake of the binary choice you have I would call him the asshole

[00:57:22] I would say however how strict or mean or shitty he's being about this whole thing would determine whether I think he's actually an asshole is there screaming arguments after this between him and the wife if he's just like oh babe you forgot to close the game again

[00:57:38] I'm gonna post this on Reddit for it to the walls not really an asshole in real life but in the context of this binary choice I would say you are it sounds like he's the only one in the house that gives a shit about closing the games

[00:57:50] and his kids probably do it because he's being an asshole yeah I like you I've been guilty of this I just popped in tears of the kingdom because I've been going back and playing through that and I had smashed open and I was like

[00:58:02] it's fine I'll just pop it out real quick put tears of the kingdom in it yelled at me saying not to close out without that save stuff but again it depends on what you're playing if I'm playing smash like there's nothing that I

[00:58:12] need to worry about saving in that game anyways uh yeah this is like you were saying Dave like what did he what did he do to his kids doing still this where it's like it's been a year of sobriety with my kids they have not

[00:58:26] pulled the carts out without them doing it and this long and my wife hasn't got along with it like what did he do to his children to keep them in line like this I'm assuming he's lost some save files or maybe something got corrupted

[00:58:38] I don't know like something when's the last time a save has been corrupted for you guys I haven't had that happen in a very long time I've had save corruption I have never beat Bioshock Infinite because of that because I had saved corruption

[00:58:52] it deleted my save and I was like well I guess I'm not playing this game anymore I had this shit happen with Amore Amore is like this amazing indie game and I was loving it and I was like 28 hours in or something crazy and then

[00:59:04] there's this fucking problem in every version of the game and it can only be fixed on PC where you can go and fiddle with the files but like in every other version it's a complete loss of your save file and it reverts to like some

[00:59:16] random arbitrary time in the past so I literally went from 28 hours to like 6 hours one day just one day I turned the game on and it was 6 hours oh my god I'm having PTSD as far as this guy is concerned I I feel bad for him

[00:59:34] because everyone's got a few things that they are just anal about you know what I mean well he's not though because he can close the game if he's that anal he can close the game right? I bet when she's doing it

[00:59:48] it might be like a kid not closing the game or like I don't know there's I think I could probably yeah the kid's the last one to use it then the wife picks it up and then removes the car or something I don't because you're right

[01:00:00] I would never say if he's basically only close the game from the he doesn't say if he's the one that does it right? always that's fair he says the kids do it but the wife there's something weird happening here they need another switch

[01:00:16] the one thing I think about is just recently I had this game of magic I was playing Magic the Gathering by a bunch of people and there's this deck I have that's very confusing it does a lot of weird things to people's creatures

[01:00:28] these little like purple poker chips to like signify something specific right? and like this thing is specifically for attribute A and then attribute B happens whenever I do the attribute A thing but the attribute B goes away the attribute A doesn't

[01:00:44] that's like the simplest way to explain it and people will like combine them because they happen at the same time but they're specific things so like sometimes people will start putting the poker chips on things that have attribute B but not A or have A and not B

[01:00:58] and I'm like no this this is specific like you're hyper ventilating like I get it I understand this guy this is just one little thing that like irritates the shit out of her no reason probably I don't think he's like getting that mad about it though

[01:01:14] it doesn't seem like it I don't think so either I think it's like what Eric was saying coming off as like a little bit jovial like I have this thing that like kind of bugs me on how to post it on Reddit for for lols

[01:01:24] but I don't know why but the first when I read this the first thing my brain equated it to was like putting game discs in the car the sleeves that they don't belong to I had a friend that did that where I opened up his games and every

[01:01:36] was a wrong game was like a different game and I was like I can't do this some structure here the thing with Philip I have a thing with Philip where he will play games together we're cooperative podcast I don't know if you listen or knew that listener

[01:01:48] but we play games together when you quick resume games on Xbox and I assume it's the same for PlayStation I don't know what the fuck goes on over there but when you click resume multiplayer games for Xbox sometimes it fucks up the online because obviously you have like

[01:02:02] a game running in the background it's not going to stay connected to the server the entire time so he'll we'll be playing like halo he'll open it up quick resumed and then I'll sit there for five minutes trying to invite each other unable to join parties

[01:02:14] and I'm like did you quick resume it I don't know I'll close it out right now and then he just fixes the problem and I'm like you fucking you know this is how you know this happens why do you do this but yeah yeah stop

[01:02:28] stop quick resuming multiplayer games everyone stop resume multiplayer put your game discs back in the in the correct case yeah before you pull the cartridge out before you pull the car out I guess I don't know what I do I'm trying to because I only have like three

[01:02:42] carts and it's by Pokemon Fire Emblem engage in something else yeah and but everything else is like digital that's the other thing I was thinking of too with this most of my switch library is digital I mean I like first party Nintendo stuff like the mario

[01:02:56] is the Pokemon and Zelda's I have them physical but like a lot of myself just digital too so a lot of the times I'm especially with like other consoles like PlayStation and Xbox a lot of that library is fully digital at this point almost to

[01:03:10] Oh you know what he okay I wonder how old this guy is probably pretty old he's got two kids he's probably been around back whenever like excuse me what well I mean like old enough to remember a time where you put the CD

[01:03:24] into the console and then like she played right so if you are playing a game and then you open the CD case suddenly the CDs like we in the fucking tray still right like in some instances I don't think that's how it was in like

[01:03:38] newer consoles games games still plays though for a bit it's in the RAM yeah it's cool but that's what that was the stop and swap on in 1064 they didn't have CDs though but anyway they I bet that's some like leftover PTSD like he opened up his PlayStation

[01:03:54] and it spit out Final Fantasy 8 and scratch it up and then he couldn't progress and now he always is fearful of not putting out of the game before taking it out of the console I bet there's probably a little bit of PTSD going on here

[01:04:06] most of these comments down here which there's not a lot are like he's the asshole just save your game or he sounds like he's just lazy save your game when you're done and close the game out when you're done with it hell yeah

[01:04:20] this guy right here John Tron Battle Pass I saw John Tron Battle Pass and I was like that's a wild name what a wild someone sat down and was like this is gonna be my reddit name yeah this is mine now

[01:04:30] no one else can have it this widely wanted but he literally I was going to make a joke about Resetti at some point and then I was like ah time's over but he literally brings it up Resetti teach you I was like dude the switch just needs that

[01:04:42] like if it's a big deal just have Resetti take up the switch screen Resetti to just scream at you when you're in that would be a great little Easter egg you know that would be kind of cool that would be cool alright do we have

[01:04:54] what is the verdict on this one I'm I'm slienin nah again I would depend on the level of anger if this is serious then you're for sure the asshole but like if it's just like yeah save your game and if it's like a joebie would think like no

[01:05:08] you're like an asshole but just like maybe just close your game and then he wouldn't have to worry about it again we need to know what he did to those children yeah yeah I agree it really depends on how actual

[01:05:22] actually mad he is if he's just joking around then it's whatever but if he's genuinely mad about this then he's yet close your close your games dude or get another switch like that yeah that was what I was saying

[01:05:34] I was like everyone's like on this just like grab a switch light or something you can just play yourself yeah like I have a pro controller that they're not super cheap and and I didn't want like Dorito dust like friggin play dohans

[01:05:46] playing with it so I bought another controller for for my daughter to use it's pink she loves it yeah it's mad cats problem solved the turbo button you can throw that thing onto a highway and it'll be okay whenever you go next gen mad cats next 8 bit dude

[01:06:04] that's that's fair yeah alright so what is it you guys picked 31 and 15 what is that added together that's 46 let's go to 46 I like that one it's highlighted green for some reason I don't know why 46 is green we read this one I don't know why it's green

[01:06:20] I think I did that on accident so let's just do 40 45 47 what number sounds better 45 45 nice even right in the middle got it that's odd oh it's not there anymore it's supposed to be deleted oh wait is this am I the asshole okay wait

[01:06:36] there's probably a bot alright I found it uh here you can see it's not that bad it's not that bad alright well so this is from deleted so he ran away the coward am I the asshole for not allowing my step kid on me or my children's electronics

[01:06:54] oh okay got it that was just worded weird my boyfriend 27 and I 25 have six children together combined totally a necessary word three are three are his and two are mine and we have a four year four month old together oh okay so they have one child together yeah

[01:07:18] we have blended our families and it is it has been anything but easy this is the sociopath playing red debt exactly soon the future if your eight year old child is blending your family if you're blending your families then alright regardless of that we are trying to

[01:07:36] make it work one of the big issues we come across is his son four years old breaking slash destroying things he has put a hole in our wall during a tantrum throws and breaks toys and so forth in January I had splurged and bought all of our kids

[01:07:54] Nintendo switches I feel like this one is just like baby this is a baby of both of yours it feels like yeah probably our kids take great care of theirs spelled the wrong there's with no problem but when it came to his son he was always

[01:08:12] throwing it and getting mad at the games on it two weeks after I bought he he completely destroyed it and broke the screen his dad gave him no consequences and only asked why he did it to which his reply was it wouldn't work I was very upset

[01:08:30] that I had spent over $200 on it just for him to break it and destroy it which are two exclusively different things fast forward he was watching YouTube on my laptop without my knowledge I walked into the living room and he had completely drenched my laptop in water again

[01:08:50] I was mad but controlled by anger and got his dad to which his dad did nothing again I told him I do not want him on my stuff anymore if that's how he's going to treat it today I come home and find him on my son

[01:09:06] switch I was furious am I the asshole for not wanting him on any of my children's electronics then that last furious that really made my head hurt those just passes out I feel like this is pretty valid I don't have any children

[01:09:24] but I was like what I want kids I would love to get them into video games it'd be great I love video games too this is a worry I buy my Switch they're just gonna like like grease it up and toss it

[01:09:36] I threw my Game Boys around my PSP I threw in a backpack I didn't treat any of that shit nice they just toss it around and especially if this kid has a history with breaking things like through a Switch because it wasn't working correctly recent history

[01:09:50] yeah how interesting oh no we're lagging for Eric unfortunately hopefully that fixes itself in a second dude I think first things first Game Boys we did have the Game Boys I broke so many PlayStation controllers I broke so many

[01:10:06] things when I was a kid and those things were built different yeah I'm trying to see if Eric is it is it's still fucked for me it's been fucked for like two minutes straight I don't know why that's why you weren't laughing at my very funny

[01:10:18] reading of it I was I was smiling I could hear it kind of but it was like a really angry the emotion behind it and you're like he's really selling this which is really frightening you don't want emotion in your robot it sounds like her

[01:10:32] husband's the asshole you should know your kids and you should if your kid is like that I mean to me it sounds like there's probably some other underlying issues maybe the kid could be like either have some sort of issue with his situation

[01:10:52] his living situation I mean that kid obviously has a different mom something happened there for sure for him to be living with them instead of his mom or something mom probably got blended up yeah there's a lot of stuff in the dynamic

[01:11:06] like with all these posts there's like so much context that you're missing maybe the kid is like no son the autism spectrum that would kind of explain some things yeah it's you can't blame the kid at all he's a kid he's four things they said

[01:11:22] right or something like that yeah the four year old dude so for the woman you can I have a ton of stuff that if I let my two year old in here she would break a lot of it and she doesn't come

[01:11:36] in here or the stuff that is breakable she can't reach because I put it out of her so like there's ways that she could do that but ultimately assuming that there's no other context or variables that we don't know and it's just a kid who's acting out

[01:11:54] if his dad is doing nothing to discipline him or give any consequences to his actions then the dad's the asshole it's tough I don't think it's kind of right for the woman to be super super upset with the kid I think her anger should be directed to the

[01:12:10] husband which is who I think the asshole is I understand the instinct to be mad because the kid's specifically doing it but you're right you gotta direct that anger to the person responsible for teaching the kid and like it's weird I think problem number one

[01:12:30] are the switch lights $200 is she buying regular switches for everyone sounds like a light I think they're $250 Canadian yeah and then the OLED is $300 I think okay that makes sense well at least they're buying the lights that makes the most sense man those lights seem

[01:12:48] like they probably take a beating too those things just look like shitty tablets so yeah she also probably could have like went on Amazon spent like $10 or $20 on a good case or a screen protector like a tempered glass screen protector which probably could have helped save it from

[01:13:02] whatever that kid did to it but or maybe just buy like two or three switches and get everyone else tablets buy the warranty yeah also that you gotta understand that if you're buying an expensive thing for a child that thing the likelihood of that thing being broken

[01:13:18] is significantly high like yeah I'm not gonna buy a fucking dual land for my 8 year old son's magic the gathering deck that dude's gonna spill apple juice chocolate milk on it or something and I'll hang myself like it's like nobody wants any of that

[01:13:36] just kind of have some forethought to like the destructive capabilities of a child and like Eric was saying there's probably a lot of underlying situation excuse me underlying situations here especially with like blood and families existing kids when kid together

[01:13:52] six kids is a lot of kids like there might be an attention thing like maybe he's feeling not getting enough attention like there's also some severe underlying issues here too but yeah like same thing with the last one being on the same

[01:14:04] boat or the same board as your partner it's so important because it's just gonna create chaos if you're not big true that house is super fun big if true six switches those kids are going crazy yeah crazy Mario they could do like six player

[01:14:20] smash or something like that yeah I'll be on it all be on their own switches too a lot of the people in the comments are just like why are you buying everyone a switch which is kind of where I was hanging up on I was like that is

[01:14:34] so many so maybe like I don't know I would just if I don't I've always been like a contrarian if my brother got like a PlayStation I'm like okay I want a Nintendo now like I don't I don't know I've never been like though I want

[01:14:48] that I want what he's having yeah I'll be like give me a different thing like I see what he's doing it's cool give me something else yeah theoretically like we're making a big assumptions here but if there was issues with the dynamic where there was a tension

[01:15:02] like not evenly distributed or something like that I think buying a more communal switch that the kids can play together with like like having two kids play with their own controller on the same TV together is definitely more cohesive than like having them all have their

[01:15:16] own device that they can go off on their own and not play together like that I think it would have made way more sense and been way more cost effective by like a real switch for the house like on a TV well like you were saying too like

[01:15:30] back to the husband and partner the refusal or I guess a lack of any kind of disciplinary actions here again context because there could be lots of issues where they could be frustrated so but at least some conversation is just like he's taking that seriously

[01:15:44] it always like ah you know you just break shit every now yeah and when you ask a four year old to like explain why they decided to do something like they're not going to be able to articulate how they're feeling like it's your job

[01:15:54] as they just started being able to think cognitively right they can't have emotional intelligence at four exactly well I think I found the redditor hold on I think I think she's in the comments silver wing 512 yes yeah she's commenting on all of these comments yeah so

[01:16:12] the person's here okay we found them hold on now we might be able to do some some investigation like actively and these cause there's just so many comments on this is it with the laptop situation that that was supposed to be supervising him

[01:16:24] and he wasn't supervised that's why they spilled water all over the laptop well see now I'm going through her shit so hold on no there's like okay there's a good handful of so most of her this is a burner account there's two posts including

[01:16:38] this deleted one so there might be more hmm all of her comments are on this and by the asshole for whatever but she has another post that says my boyfriend refuses to have sex or any intimacy with me what should I do so well we

[01:16:56] there's there's some problems here between the relationship which could bleed out to the children one month apart well he found the reddit post the first one oh boy okay well well hey because we found we found the answer here the whole thing also is that I can

[01:17:14] understand wanting to buy everyone one of them because you have that dynamic it's very lopsided of like he has three kids you have two and then now there's that one that connects you both so like every time you're in every time you're in like a family situation

[01:17:28] where like the there are different parents all around like you start feeling that kind of preferential treatment thing you know I'm my family was like that like I'm half brother with all of my siblings I don't have any full siblings so every no matter where I went

[01:17:46] yeah no matter where I went I was always kind of like is am I getting am I getting jubated right now I don't know is this okay I don't really know but um she did give some context down here on the situation with the switch

[01:17:58] she said the switch actually the situation might be with the with the laptop but the switch has a screen protector and they all have cases he was in the back seat while we were driving and you destroyed it there I'm not sure if

[01:18:10] you was talking about the switch they threw that was broken the laptop that spilled water on it didn't know until you started crying man what did he do a back breaker on it like how did he break that gave it the stone cold stunner in the back seat

[01:18:24] incredible well I don't know man the kid it's a kid that kid might have some anger issues and it makes sense if this this looks like a little bit of an unstable household yeah it's pretty chaotic here yeah it sounds like

[01:18:40] the dad needs to kind of step up a little bit if I'm being honest yeah dad he uh I mean maybe the mom so strict maybe there's middle ground you could find but it sounds like your polar opposites and you gotta figure it out and the kids

[01:18:54] need to hear the same message from both parents yeah so it looks like so they have six kids they have two three-year-olds two four-year-olds and two five-year-olds since that's literally insane she did say something along the lines of I can't say too much

[01:19:10] I can't parent him like I parent my kids and I think that's kind of a weird outlook too because uh she should be parenting them the same she might just have the mentality of like oh these aren't my kids I can't parent them the same

[01:19:22] she does feel that way cause I'm looking at another comment of hers where uh yeah so the kid will have tantrums in front of company it's extremely embarrassing I want to do more but if I step in how I would have my kids

[01:19:36] uh which I know my kids are angels but god forbid they try that with me I would be considered mean and it would just end in an argument as well as about how I am way too hard on his son so it seems like maybe the dad's

[01:19:48] kind of holding it over like you know sounds like they have completely opposite and conflicting styles of parenting which is something they probably should have worked out before having six kids in the same house together yeah my opinion but what do I mean what do I know

[01:20:02] yeah I mean I absolutely pretty educated opinion yeah that's it also showed somewhere here too that the both parents are under 30 years old which is also crazy that's insane yeah so it sounds like they just made a lot of bad decisions and uh hey everyone's asshole yeah including

[01:20:22] to be fair though it sounds like the woman in this situation is trying her best I would say that more discipline or too much discipline is probably better than no discipline yeah so if I had to pick a side even though obviously the best is the middle ground

[01:20:40] um yeah oh here's another one okay so she said uh every time they talk about this it ends in an argument example last night his son had toys in the living room I picked them up and put them back into his bedroom

[01:20:54] and he started to cry his dad came and asked him what was wrong and I was confused too he said she's being mean she put my toys back in there I told them toys don't belong in the living room they belong

[01:21:04] in your room and it ended in my boyfriend hugging him and telling him it was okay and then an argument broke out between us we'll see that that's that's setting up right there now it's just like anytime mom figure says anything she's wrong and dad will

[01:21:18] back me up all the time and I can just do whatever I want yeah it's literally the same exact problem from this the the switch games or whatever because like the kid that kid can't play the games as much as he wants

[01:21:30] or play the games that he wants is gonna say is gonna have that same reaction to anything that girl says versus what his dad says yeah so it's yeah you just can't do that you're literally and it's just gonna get worse you think it's bad now

[01:21:42] when they're like three four five wait till they're like like teenagers you guys are so screwed they're all close in age too like six teenagers all together I can't I can't imagine their fucking grocery bill I know that yes probably aren't

[01:21:56] thinking about that but I someone who has to buy groceries for just like four people it's literally insane yeah I buy groceries for two people and I'm just like I can't imagine having a whole other human that I had to take

[01:22:06] care of and also feed and buy food for and everything else so six is just an unfathomable amount I don't know how people are surviving out there I'm gonna be honest but I am barely scraping by I don't know what the fuck is going on

[01:22:20] I think yeah yeah it's rough out there yeah we're there's a lot of money to go around on this one this is this is a tough one lot of bad decisions dad needs to definitely step up though it seems very one-sided

[01:22:32] and that's not gonna last long and yeah obviously it's not lasting very long unfortunate so we're going to that is the am I the asshole section mythical legendary amazing section we're gonna take a break and we're gonna talk about what are we talking about

[01:22:46] a video game neon white baby here we fucking go we guys have you been looking have you been watching this like boogie 298 shit yes just I'm way too into YouTube dude I'm on all in on that shit I'm on YouTube all the time one thing

[01:23:08] I was saying before I was like dude I have to watch what I say and I brought up the Yakuza stuff another thing is that I am also so deep into this YouTube shit and the only person who ever replies to anything I say is you

[01:23:20] every now and then when you're like I hate that I know what you're talking about and I'm just like oh yeah I forgot I'm on my podcast Twitter yeah arguing with someone you watch the brand in Buckingham like in Brace of shadows shit right dude it was

[01:23:36] insane did you see the photo that he posted today no no no it's like the whole squad the whole like got obsessed youtuber oh no yes with with turkey Tom and moodahar and everyone yeah I did yeah oh yeah dude

[01:23:52] that guy is deleted like I don't know where you could wait do you watch HR bomber or H bomber guy yeah because you see the play the thing against the plagiarism yeah yeah the guy that the main villain of that video like literally lives in

[01:24:06] noskosha or was from noskosha like he lives in a town called bridgewater that is like 40 minutes from me that's wild you know it's hilarious there it's crazy how all he's deleted he's doing what boogie's doing which is he was suicide baiting boogie was suicide baiting just today

[01:24:24] another one I saw the one where he's like I want to get a knife the knife in his arm he's like I'll do it and they zoom in his like butter knife or something I didn't see like if it was an actual knife or anything

[01:24:34] but I was like dude this is this is fucking all these like the youtube shit this is like WWF shit man I love it that's why I love it too it's like it's trash TV it's just Murray or whatever I don't know it's just

[01:24:46] yeah but I love it sucks I kind of liked destiny I used to watch his debates all the time but he really went off the cliff I'm a pierce Morgan thing I was just like that was the first time I was like you should ready

[01:24:58] yeah he is crazy back probably yeah he's getting he's way too online right now like the thing is is that I've been listening to him and not that I'm like oh I love destiny so much it's just that he's brought he's looking into interesting shit

[01:25:12] and I have eight hours to kill at works and he screams forever so I'm like okay I'll just turn this on one day and I'll just listen to him I understood his mentality going into that and whenever I heard him talking to

[01:25:24] Pierce Morgan I was like oh this is him being crazy and then when I saw the reaction I was like oh wait yeah he did say some crazy shit didn't he I just cut I just been hearing him talk for so long I just forget that he's

[01:25:36] saying things that people who aren't perpetually online yeah it's crazy I'm pretty sure he's just brain fucked from that whole like his breakup still and it's just coming out in this way that's my opinion yeah we don't actually it's all about the January 6th

[01:25:52] we don't have to talk about this but it's all about January 6th and he's blackpilled me on that that's insane I forgot what we were talking about what are we talking about neon white neon white developer angel matrix published by Anna Perna angel matrix being famous for making

[01:26:10] this game and nothing else which is surprising well it's made by like the main guy is Ben Esposito he's the guy that made Donut County which is basically a copy I love Donut County exactly instead of speed running to get into a place

[01:26:32] you are speed running to get everything into you in Donut County this game's description neon white is a single player speed running FPS where you can sacrifice your guns for godlike parkour moves I don't know if I would play this game if I just read that

[01:26:50] it doesn't really move the needle for me but a history preconceptions how did you guys learn about neon white when did you play it first Jared yeah I remember because us on the podcast we love Anna Perna we usually are always like jumping on Anna Perna stuff

[01:27:06] right when it comes out and I remember seeing this and the visual style and the very like anime approach and the speed run FPS gameplay built into this looked super cool the whole thing looked like a Jared ass game for me

[01:27:24] I was like oh this looks like I would fall in love with it I just never got around to playing it the first time I played it was for the podcast when it came on the game pass I booted it up and I was like

[01:27:36] we should play neon white because I saw you already playing it I needed an excuse to jump into it and that was the first time but I the moment I saw this game announced it being backed by Anna Perna was already like yep

[01:27:48] I'm gonna check this out and then seeing it I was like oh yeah this for sure is a game for me and what about you Eric how did you hear about this game I actually got the game pretty close to launch when it first dropped on switch

[01:28:02] I heard about it because I'm a big fan of Ben Esposito I'm like trying to learn how to make video games so I really like to kind of learn about the people that make them specifically when people are solo devs it's like super interesting to me because that's

[01:28:16] like pretty much my only chance of ever making anything and I love Donut County I think Donut County is amazing I have the platinum and a thousand like 100% on Xbox I own like three copies of that game and I own three copies of neon white like

[01:28:32] ironically but no I knew Ben Esposito made it originally like I read the description that you read and I saw like how anime it was yeah and in the original trailer I think it did it showed a lot of like the conversation stuff yeah I wasn't

[01:28:46] super into originally the music though was amazing and there was really positive buzz when it first came out so I did I pretty much got it at launch on switch which is probably the worst way to play it because

[01:29:00] you see it I'm like thinking playing this on switch is insane yeah like in handheld modes very difficult to be to get to get the like ace medals docked it's easier if you have a pro controller but it doesn't really hold 60 FPS that well

[01:29:16] it's night and day I didn't play get very far on the console versions yet especially the Xbox version but yeah a lot of the levels especially like the later levels and some of the boss levels they don't really hold 60 on switch plus you're at lower resolution

[01:29:32] and all this stuff but Nintendo is just like the breeding ground for money if you're indie dev so absolutely games launched there it actually came out I think at the same time as a game called card shark which is another game that's

[01:29:46] I think from a soul dev that I bought like right at the same time I just download that oh yeah dude that game rips and honestly that game because of the performance issues I was having on switch I actually leaned towards card shark initially and I

[01:30:00] went through that first and then it came back to the out of white is so good I can't believe that I don't think it's sold super well there hasn't been a port to like play station or Xbox yet but for anyone listening who hasn't heard of it

[01:30:14] there is a demo on switch and on steam and 100% recommend at least check out the demo it's very very very very interesting you have never played a game like this before I typed in card sharks into Google I just had to cart shark in a TV series

[01:30:28] Cam on with who is this guy who is this guy hold on IMDB Joel McHale does that mean me? yeah I recognize his face I just I'm like what is this game and I'm looking at a TV show about some shit

[01:30:49] I don't know what this is that's funny I was forgetting why I just downloaded this but if you're interested if that like description sounded great it's free on prime gaming right now so that's why I downloaded it it's free on on prime you have Amazon Prime

[01:31:01] and have prime gaming it's free right now so you can go download it will it be free on Friday still I'm trying to see if there's a expiration date for this I mean a lot of these other games have been on your for like a month

[01:31:13] usually are there for the month I won't I won't do real too much just give you a super quick synopsis on cart shark because I know we're not supposed to talk about cart we're here talking about neon white but it's like you basically

[01:31:25] play as a guy who cheats at cards in like the 17th or 16th century like France and the whole game is like quick time events but you actually have to like learn how to do these cheats in cards and there's like 50 different moves you have to

[01:31:43] do and it's a lot of like like it's really hard to explain but basically you have to cheat at cards and progress through a story that's actually quite interesting story and art style is really interesting there's like a lot of good music

[01:31:57] in it it's very very very good very very good it's like pentamin and Bellatru how to baby looks like yeah funnily you don't actually play cards you just cheat at cards and like it actually teaches you how to do it like how the cheats work

[01:32:15] like how you can like hide cards and like like oh when when he pours the wine you have to like pour the wine and as the wine is being poured like someone else is doing something and you can't pour too much or you'll spill it

[01:32:29] and you have to like kind of pour it slow enough where he has time to do it's just really yeah dude it's pretty cool I would 100% recommend if it's free on Prime 100% pick that up if not check out the demo on Steam or on the eShop

[01:32:43] yeah I see zero date for this but like I said some of these have been around for like the last I don't know three weeks or months or so and this one just came because I just downloaded it the other day

[01:32:53] it just came on to Prime Gaming so yeah it's free check it out card shark it looks cool neon white though my history preconceptions the game just released like two weeks ago on Xbox it came straight to Game Pass which is awesome I would have bought it anyway

[01:33:09] that's kind of nice but the thing about this game is everybody was screaming from the rooftops for me to play this game I did not have a switch and my PC that I still use to this day is terrible it's basically

[01:33:21] a TI calculator that you get in high school it only edits and it only opens up Zimcastre that's all the thing does so I've been kind of enviously watching it as much as I wanted to whenever I'm interested in the game I just

[01:33:35] media blackout I don't want to hear about it anymore I just want to blindly jump into it but the way that somebody sold it to me was they're like hey imagine Doom Eternal and Dong and Rumpa had a baby that's a pretty damn good description of it incredible

[01:33:51] is it cringy? is it anime cringe? and they're like yes count me in maybe I don't know especially yellow alright do you guys know how many hours you put into this? I put 25 according to Xbox I put in

[01:34:09] cause I just started playing this when we set up to do this episode I put in I have it on Xbox here 5 hours I put 5 hours into this I probably only have 30 minutes to an hour on Xbox probably like 6 to 8 on Switch right on

[01:34:29] so have you guys seen it? I haven't been it yet I haven't been it yet either no no okay well the good thing about this game is the story doesn't really matter too much we don't have to talk about the story if you want to but I

[01:34:41] did everything I got all the collectibles so when I got to the very final part of the game and the game is like hey this is the final part and I'm like oh I really like this so I went back and replayed all the levels that I didn't

[01:34:53] ace I was basically acing everything on the way but this is a game where if you don't hit mission restart you have to either leave all the way back out or you just complete the whole chapter in order to go back and replay the missions right and so

[01:35:09] if I accidentally didn't ace something and just moved on I'd just come back later after I did that I went back and looked for all the gifts and stuff so my 25 hour playthrough is me getting collecting everything and doing everything except for the heaven and hell runs

[01:35:25] which fuck that that sounds terrible the heaven and hell runs are you get side quests with most of the characters and then you have neon whites heaven and hell mode which is literally the hell neon white run is beating the entire game in one life

[01:35:43] at like a harder difficulty that's insane never stopping so it's like a 5 hour playthrough and I'm not doing that that demotivated me immediately to want to get any more achievements that's wild but before we get into any more of our thoughts about this game

[01:36:03] we got a bunch of random thoughts from the last turns over on steam.org.com some of these reviews are unhinged so I guess we'll just take turns so we'll go me, Jared, Eric me, Jared, Eric starting with Bjorn recommend

[01:36:19] all of these are recommends not a lot of not recommends 15 hours on record says gameplay makes you feel like spider-man TM dialogue makes you wish you were chatting with the discord mod but the spider-man comment is interesting I guess because you're flying through the air but I didn't

[01:36:38] feel spider-man when I was playing this only one power up makes you feel like spider-man and that's it, everything else next one is, oh man how do I pronounce this ze-zees z-z-z-z recommend you're so lucky you don't have boobs white from violet I think violet says that 116 hours

[01:37:02] on record this name doesn't fit just has a repaying my karmic 33.7 hours on record it says 16 hours of homoerotic subtext with the straightest people you've ever seen alright and then another really long name the batter bitch is something that's actually good next is perten 25 hours on record

[01:37:38] and they say I would let violet spit in my mouth would I can fix her I can fix her this is kind of meta it's from chipwitch 1.1 hours on record it says this happened to my buddy Eric not plans that's it absolutely not playing

[01:38:00] should have rolled with it you should have been like I knew it from the beginning that's why I said this rotation of us Eric was going to be on the podcast completely unplanned but yeah those are some of the funny steam reviews that's a lot of them

[01:38:16] usually people on steam are just complaining about how games run so it's hard to find the funny ones this game is kind of a meme as far as the characters are concerned but anyway we can start talking about the game in more gritty detail the gameplay our gameplay

[01:38:34] is really really really good in this game I definitely if this game had no dialogue whatsoever I would still pay 20 dollars for it that's how fantastic this is what jumps out at us with the gameplay I mean just like the description talked about discarding your guns

[01:38:56] to get new powers and everything like that on paper that seems like oh that's a weird how does that work and a lot of neon whites mechanics are hard to explain unless you play through them but the cards that's kind of what was interesting

[01:39:14] having guns is kind of what I saw and even in the gameplay that I had seen I didn't know how this game really worked but how shooting and discarding weapons and how every weapon has a different ability that will do a different kind of movement or momentum thing

[01:39:32] how all of that fits together was wild and it seems like it's overwhelming but it gets slowly drip fit to you where it feels very digestible to get all this stuff the cards were just really cool I had a friend come over to play magic with me

[01:39:50] he described this game I talked about this last week but he described the game really interesting to me because he just watched me play a few levels and he was like this game it just looks like super hot without the slow motion

[01:40:04] and it's like you know at the end of a super hot level where everything plays in real time so everything is going real fast that's exactly what this game feels like playing yeah absolutely that's a funny comparison because some visual aspects of real time that's like how fast

[01:40:20] pace this game could be so we talked about the cards Jared brought up the cards the weapons that you pick up and so you can have up to two cards in your hand at a time you always start with the katana which is a melee weapon

[01:40:36] and it sucks you don't ever want to be caught lacking with that thing I don't know if you guys ever did this but you only have 30 attacks with the katana you only have 30 ammo you have a fist which is even weaker

[01:40:50] that's crazy because the katana is already shit in the first place if you're using that then it's like oh restart F to restart let's do this level over again it is a literal like limp slap it's a terrible attack

[01:41:04] the only reason I know this is because there is an achievement for using up all of the fist which kills you now we're just going to do that just to get the achievement for it I don't know where I got this from

[01:41:16] but this is the order I got it in I think it's the order which you introduced to it but the assault rifle purify so now we're going to get into what discarding the cards means whenever you pick up these cards you can right trigger

[01:41:30] shoot just like any normal or left click whatever you're playing on like any normal first person shooter but if you hit the left trigger I assume right click on the mouse and keyboard if you're aiming or whatever that you're used to in Call of Duty

[01:41:46] you'll throw your gun away and it will do an ability each gun has a different ability and they're all color coded so you don't have to read or anything you can easily tell what does what eventually it'll become second nature

[01:42:00] to the point where you just see the colors in your peripheral vision and you know if you need to switch to double jump or do stuff like that so purify the assault rifle drops a bomb that blows up after about a

[01:42:14] three quarters of a second it's pretty fast and it kills everything in the area and also if you're in the AOE it'll launch you you do not take explosive damage in this game how about this let's I feel like I've been talking a lot so let's alternate

[01:42:32] Eric you do the next one and then Jared you do the one after we'll do it like that we're just reading through the cards yeah just kind of talk about them I've only got two stomp stomp is the newest one I just got so I don't even know

[01:42:46] what these other ones yeah the next one is pistol it's a yellow card if I recall and it's kind of like gives you like a you have like a basic jump but this is kind of like a super jump and I'll just do two

[01:43:00] the next one is the rifle which I think they call it godspeed but it's like a forward dash like kind of like pressing B and halo 5 and like what like there'll typically be like obstacles where it's like you have to get height

[01:43:16] and distance yeah and so you'll have like a pistol or rifle and then you'll chuck the pistol to jump really high and then chuck the rifle to like dash across a gap and like you combine them in different ways platform yeah it's really cool

[01:43:30] the thing that I that triggers me the most a guns trigger I get it funny huh but like the pistol elevate the double jump if you discard the pistol first you will jump but it won't count so if you use the the

[01:43:44] second jump of the double jump that you can't use the first jump so you have to oh interesting and then if you try to just use it once you can't jump after that yeah and it's in order to jump it's left bumper it's like bumper jumper and halo

[01:43:58] and then you discard with the trigger so it's like you can get dyslexic with it and then go what what am I doing why did I jump like you just as you fall down and in your sad yeah I had this for sure also like the sometimes

[01:44:14] the cards are just floating on the ground but there's enemies that are coordinated color wise to these cards Eric talked about sometimes need the the pistol for the upward momentum and then got the gods be the rifle for the kind of horizontal

[01:44:28] momentum you can do that through enemies like some of the blue enemies and you get that card after work because there's some levels where you just have to keep using the rifle to dash through enemies and you get those cards

[01:44:38] as you kill the enemies as well too which is cool again the whole color coordination system is can seem like a lot at first but like they've said second nature after that where you're just like oh I know

[01:44:48] what this does I know what I need to do when I get this card and everything as well the SMG is the next one that's the green card which is stop which is exactly what it sounds like when you're in the air

[01:44:58] it kind of does this thrusting momentum downward and if there's enemies around in that area it'll just kill all the enemies in that area there are these kind of red wooden doors that require kind of the ability you can shoot them but they don't

[01:45:12] break right away so it requires the ability to go through them and that stop aids in that sometimes that's as far as I've gotten the shotgun is fireball which I'm assuming just shoots a fireball but I have no idea because I haven't used it yet

[01:45:24] well we can go through that but I think primary the big thing about the SMG and stomp is that never mind it says oh that's it okay so in this game whenever you're falling you float like a feather you're a light boy this regularly is only in levels

[01:45:44] just to speed up the descent so that you can make your ace times so stop stomp is very helpful this has single-handedly killed me the second most of anything in this game are you just stomping off ledges? yes like fat fingering or accidentally stomping

[01:46:04] instead of jumping or doing something stupid and just stomping straight off a cliff there's an achievement for it there's a lot of achievements for doing dumb things and I got that one pretty pretty quickly did you make it to the did you make it to the fireball

[01:46:16] Eric or are you with I think I was right there I'm trying to remember what it does I feel like it shoots fire but I feel like there was something that it can combined with to do something but I can't remember so the shotgun the red card

[01:46:32] it basically is the same as godspeed except it's like a mortar so instead of going in a perpendicular line along the or a parallel line along the ground you aim it and you kind of go at an arc so it helps you get distance if you need it

[01:46:48] so it has its own purpose besides godspeed you go higher than you do the double jump and sometimes you're using that to like there are some gifts that you get we'll talk about this later but like there's a couple of them where you'll have to

[01:47:00] jump double jump under something and then turn around and launch yourself backwards it completely negates all of in all of your momentum in any other direction it just shoots you whatever direction you're looking somebody's gift locations I'm like how how am I supposed to get up there

[01:47:16] it's actually so fun the way that I describe this thing is it's like obviously a first person shooter but I describe it more like a puzzle game like portal oh yeah absolutely and so it was I was I was it's a really fast paced puzzle

[01:47:28] game and I was playing it like that that's why I enjoyed going back and getting all the car all the gifts and stuff but uh yeah the next one right here RPG domination it's the light blue card and it's obviously an RPG but the

[01:47:42] secondary is a grappling hook which is really cool the spider-man the connection there gotcha gotcha yep so the and the last one I mean it's a little bit of a spoiler so the whole thing about the story is you've got these two books and you end

[01:47:58] up finding one of the books and using it as a weapon and I'll just leave it at that for people who want to continue playing the game interesting you guys are reading it right now but I mean if you want to play the game enjoy

[01:48:10] the story you can do that we I've got the wiki open for the demons we can move on to that because Jerry brought that up as well some of some demons will drop some of these cards whenever you kill them and the good thing about this

[01:48:24] is the demons themselves are very their silhouettes are instantly recognizable so as soon as you see one you instantly know whenever you kill it what it drops if it drops anything how it's going to attack you and this is something that's extremely important for fast paced

[01:48:40] games like this like Doom Eternal like every demon is instantly recognizable they all act differently and react to you in different ways so that you have to add a split second as soon as you glance at them know what you need to do whenever you see them

[01:48:54] it's like that halo it's like that well I was gonna say gears war but that's not really true but it's like you know there's a lot of games that are like this well then this is very much like a trial by fire

[01:49:04] thing right it's like as you play through and do these things and figure out what all these deepens do you get more comfortable and recognize them as they go through there's also like slight tutorialization when you go through that kind of explains some of these to you

[01:49:18] like the balloon you can jump on and things like that but as soon as you start playing through enough of them you start to recognize these instantly because like a name would say they're all very different they are all slightly color coded with kind of their the cards

[01:49:30] the ones at least have cards with them so you know exactly what you're getting up to when you run into them and yeah so since they're slowly revealed to you along with their counterpart weapons and everything the game play is with that

[01:49:46] a lot like part of the puzzles especially in the late game they will use like what they've taught you in order to troll you into like accidentally making a mistake and some of the hardest levels are like that where you will have moments where you go

[01:50:02] through an area well we'll talk about the demons we'll talk about the demons real quick the first couple don't drop anything so it's a barnacle and the balloon the barnacle just kind of shoots one shot at you and the balloons don't do anything the pacifist enemies but

[01:50:18] you have to kill all the demons in order to open the door to exit the level so that's part of the challenge part of the puzzle the balloons they when you jump into them from any direction they will launch you straight up

[01:50:30] yep so you'll gain a lot of momentum a lot of air that allows you to do other things and the first enemy that we have that actually drops weapons is the frog I don't think they ever say names for any of these

[01:50:44] I was reading these and I was like oh I didn't realize any of these guys had names aside from like the guardian which they talk about in like the narrative but other than that I was like I didn't know what any of these were called

[01:50:52] so the frog drops the yellow one he shoots at you also he's kind of just similar to the barnacle but the primary thing is that these enemies are necessary to kill to get their cards as well as just to open the level up so they'll use these

[01:51:08] like you don't see it too much with the frog but the jock is the first place where you'll really go into this where the abilities that you're using besides elevate besides the double jump will also kill enemies and a lot of this is using

[01:51:24] the ability, chaining them together over and over again like dashing into a jock to get his dash to dash into another jock to get his dash and then using that to just kind of slingshot yourself across like a giant gap that's where a lot of this

[01:51:38] kind of Spider-Man-ish feeling comes from for a lot of people so Eric did you you guys got to the Guardian yeah yes I've been interested in the Guardians and they're paying I probably have I just I've only really progressed in the Switch version

[01:51:58] which was like I think two years ago I the last thing that I really remember is like the I guess it's technically a boss fight with Neon Green and I remember like playing just after the I guess the first or maybe

[01:52:14] second encounter with that I remember doing like a it's like a different type of mission where it's like you're chasing people oh interesting I think you definitely got past because these guys then the Guardians are the ones where

[01:52:24] they like stare at you and if they're looking at you for a certain amount of time you'll just yes okay I know those I just don't know the names of anything or yeah I know those things are super well not

[01:52:34] super early but yeah I know what those are yeah yeah the so they they stare at you for like two maybe three seconds yeah it feels like a millisecond sometimes like it feels like I feel like I think I died so instantly when I ran into them but

[01:52:48] they're basically the do they basically have the one shot from Gears of War you know or they're I don't know they're the Jackal Sniper's on Halo Legendary it's like these guys are bastards this is the third most deaths that I have are from these guys miscalculating

[01:53:04] trying to get away from them or something when I'm doing my gift runs or whatever these guys are bastards they suck they slow you down because a lot of times it's necessary to stop behind walls and wait for a second which kills a little bit of pacing but

[01:53:22] also makes it a little more irritating whenever you are trying to rush through on your 23rd attempt try to get the ace level the next one jumper these guys I don't know they shoot at you I forget what some of these guys do but because

[01:53:38] you think you kill them instantly but these guys drop the stomp so you're usually just falling on top of them that's how I was like a lot of these like going through runs like I said trying to get the ace

[01:53:50] for the most part if you're getting the ace they don't get the chance because you're just killing them instantly and then just grabbing their card and going so especially with the jumper like Naive was saying you're just usually above them falling in them stomping on them to get

[01:54:02] their card to then do that again on the next one did you play any of the levels where they're like chaining together barrels for you to stomp on? like I said whenever you get caught in an explosion it just launches you you don't take any damage

[01:54:14] the cool thing about stomp is that if you I there's got to be some kind of ratio between like how far you stomp from to how far the barrels launch you kind of like a like a trampoline because there are some levels where you are soaring

[01:54:30] into space from some of these jumps and it feels really good especially in some of these sometimes some of the gifts that you have to collect you have to save abilities so like you start taking for granted how high you're normally going because then

[01:54:44] you're just walking jumping up a wall and it's like this is way lammer then stomping that thing from Valhalla alright so the next one is Ringer these guys drop ammo cards which do exactly what they say where they sound like they do these guys are also extremely necessary

[01:55:04] because a lot of times you you just need that shotgun like there are some the late game weapons are just so OP that it trivializes all encounters as long as you have them the tripwire I don't know if this is the order in which

[01:55:20] because I think that you have the tripwire in the green area I don't remember I haven't seen the tripwire yet oh okay so the part of the story is that Violet is trying to make things harder for you because you're progressing too easily also she's getting a little

[01:55:38] possessive she's getting a little jelly so she starts putting tripwires everywhere these count as demons so you have to break them all I so I didn't know this so the first level that introduces these I was running past all of them and then like

[01:55:52] I was like why who did I miss I was like looking around and then took me a little bit to realize but that's what the tripwires do they instantly kill you the moment you walk into that's so easy oh very annoying so the funny thing is is that

[01:56:06] the game will put an enemy in front of a tripwire so you don't know that there's a tripwire behind it you or like a door a red door you'll shoot the thing and the trip why will instantly see you and explode you and that's like a trap

[01:56:18] that they do quite often fun that's great it's really fun when like you're just rushing rushing rushing and then like you make that mistake you stomp through the wrong door and die instantly but the next thing is the shocker this is like a little bounce pad if

[01:56:34] you drop on it's like it's a six petal flower if you fall on one of the flower petals it'll launch you in a direction it'll kill everything that's in this area so they'll put like people around to try

[01:56:48] and make it harder for you to land where you want to land I don't know I mean it's just another way to travel fast the bubble it's another pacifist enemy and instead of you going into it and launching you you have to go into it to pop it

[01:57:06] and you can't shoot into it or you can't use your abilities into it either you can dash or whatever into it but when you hit because by this time you have the rocket launcher you can't shoot your grappling hook into it or anything like that

[01:57:20] so you have to be inside of it to actually like hurt harm people and going into it pops it counts as a demon and stuff the mimic looks like a chest this fucking son of a bitch as kids

[01:57:36] I don't know if you guys are much friar in the anime no I need to there's a running joke it's in the first episode there's a running joke where there are mimic chests that she always gets caught inside because she always wants to see what's inside of them

[01:57:48] um I get killed this is my number one this is the bane of my existence I will always the moment I come around a corner I'll see the mimic shoot it the way what happens is it'll shoot a bullet in every direction it kills you

[01:58:04] the second I saw this on the list I was like that's gonna be a pain when I get to it because the entire time you're running through this the game is fast it says speed run in the description

[01:58:14] you are looking at things and reacting on a split second and when these chests come up and everything you're opening them they usually give you items and everything if I saw this because of how fast it is

[01:58:24] it would be the same thing I'd be like oh cool chest gotta hit it gotta make sure does this count as the enemy do you have to kill as well you do have to kill the mimics as well it's so annoying because like again

[01:58:36] it'll be like randomly near other enemies that you shoot and your shock up blast happens to clip the mimic and then it blows your ass away is it like a range thing if you're in the vicinity you die or is it like

[01:58:48] the trip wires or if you just hit them then you're gonna die so when you shoot the mimic it shoots 12 bullets in a circle around and you can either dodge it or jump over it because it's only like laterally that it does it

[01:59:02] so it's only like ground level yeah well if it's on a wall then it'll shoot like on the wall but also it'll be on like diagonal platform it's like oh my god dude sometimes you'll shoot one and it'll do a chain reaction of a bunch of them

[01:59:16] it gets crazy I mean I sent in a picture of this earlier because I was like 0.2 seconds away from hitting the ace and I was like hey when this happens I sent in a picture of me shooting a photo too where like the gold

[01:59:30] or the ace time was like almost a minute and I was like for someone who's been doing them at like 12 seconds is the ace that's mind boggling because that means the level is fucking long some of the levels are like 2 minutes long and the last

[01:59:44] Rachel's heart but if I didn't get it I would go berserk I would go full ape I can't imagine doing something like this for 2 minutes and like was like 2 minutes and I was like I would get sucked into the ace by like milliseconds oh god

[02:00:02] I would just stare at the screen and I could just feel her staring at the side of my head like oh god is this the end is he gonna get it you guys haven't played NES world championship I'm guessing right no similar but they have like

[02:00:20] legend challenges where it's like Like they could take like like 10, 11, 12 minutes. And then you miss it by like, oh God, that's awful. That's the really cool thing about this game though is that like I never felt like Ace was unachievable.

[02:00:38] Like at most I would get like a goal and be like, man, that's quite the gap that I really didn't do very well. But like as you do it, you'll kind of like notice like paths like, oh, I could probably double jump over there and skip some stuff.

[02:00:53] Like you'll definitely, and once you get enough experience, like once you get a gold, you'll have enough like influence or whatever to get a little hint. There's a hint in every single level that kind of shows you an easier way to do something.

[02:01:07] Yeah, I mean for the most part with me aside from some cause I didn't, I have not aced all of them but I replayed levels and like till I ace them or got frustrated enough to be like, okay, I'm just going to move on

[02:01:17] and then I will ace the next one, I guess. There are some levels where I was struggling to ace something and you have a ghost once you get to like influence. Oh that bastard, I hate myself watching myself like run past me. No, no!

[02:01:30] Dude, I would be getting close to the end and I would just see a faint white in front of me and I'm like, oh fuck this guy, fuck this guy. Cause I just knew all about the top. It was me but like damn it,

[02:01:41] that just means that I have to restart this level. Yeah, it's probably worth chatting quickly too about the insight system because I think that's part of the genius of the game. Like the game is like super, super, super well designed and like the best sign of a game

[02:01:58] that's like super well designed is that you don't notice this stuff it just kind of happens to you without you realizing but essentially like this is a speed running game. Like I think we've made that pretty clear and if you've watched like Games Done Quick

[02:02:08] which tons of people do like speed running is like huge. Games Done Quick is huge. There's a huge culture around speed running but there's not a lot of speed runners because speed running in video games is like super hard.

[02:02:19] Like if you want to like speed run like Mario 64 you need to put like a thousand hours into that and most gamers like don't want to do that. So if I told you that this is the speed running game like right off the bat,

[02:02:28] like you'd probably be like, you'd probably be disinterested it if you've never tried this but the game does an amazing job of kind of tricking you into becoming a speed runner in a sense and part of the reason or part of how it does that

[02:02:40] is kind of with the insight system. So like when you start a mission or level in neon white and you just kind of run through it, you do whatever you need to do to get to the end of the level and when you first complete the level

[02:02:53] you probably end up with like a silver or bronze like you complete it. And then that levels your insight up in that level from like level one to level two and it's kind of like a ladder. So when you hit level two

[02:03:04] then you start seeing like your time you get a leaderboard with like your friends you can see how your friends did and then I think they give you like I think that's where you get the, is it the gift or it's like something there's something else.

[02:03:21] I think it's like there's some I can't remember exactly what it was but there's like a reason why you kind of want to do it again. Maybe it's the lead, maybe I'm thinking of the leaderboards like, oh well I get this in 40 seconds

[02:03:31] and they did it in 30 seconds. Maybe I can try that. And then you try it again and you get a gold and you're improving. You're right, the gifts aren't unlocked on the initial playthrough. You do have to play a second time

[02:03:42] for I don't know when they unlock though if it's a special opportunity. Well, I'm pretty sure they unlock based on your performance. So if you get an ace on your first run I think you do get the gift. The gift is not there but they will like,

[02:03:57] they will appear I guess. Yeah, you're right sorry. But when you get the first insight I'm pretty sure that's where your friends was leaderboard on locks and that's kind of an incentive for you to try again. And let's say you get a gold and you're next time

[02:04:08] you're improving. That's when you get the hint and the gift and then you have an incentive to try it again because you have this new path that you could take based on the hint. You have this new objective which is to find this gift

[02:04:20] and then you're chasing this ace which is like gonna unlock insight four. And when you unlock insight four that's when the global leaderboard I think comes up. So it's like bread crumb trailing you into wanting to do this again. And like those mechanics are not like

[02:04:35] you probably weren't like thinking about how this is making you wanna do it again or just it's just naturally happening which is like super, super fucking amazing game design. And then if you look at the leaderboard, the global one and you start trying to attempt those

[02:04:49] there's actually like a fifth kind of medal you can get I don't know if you got any of those. There's a red one that is like beating Ben Esposito's time, the developer's time. That's crazy. No, I didn't even realize all this was happening

[02:05:02] because like I was saying I would replay levels I would do one in one run for the most part. It was later on in levels where I was like I would reset like in the beginnings but most of the time I just ran through it once

[02:05:14] just to see how it is. But I just unintentionally was like, okay I got like whatever rank I'm gonna get an ace and I just replay and replay and replay I didn't even realize that like the gift wasn't there in the beginning or the hint comes afterward

[02:05:24] depending on your time and everything like that. Like that's really cool. I like you said good game design cause I didn't even realize those things were happening because I was just naturally replaying and I guess getting rewarded because you get the hint system

[02:05:37] and you get the gifts and everything like that. But Naive was always my big motivation because I would finish a level and see your time and I was like that fucker, okay I gotta get past his time. I'm coming for your fucking time by the way.

[02:05:50] I'm coming for your time man. I'm gonna start playing on Xbox I'm coming for those times cause I don't know like how they compared to my Switch times there's no way to do that I'm not gonna boot up my Switch cause it runs like shit but

[02:05:58] none of my friends on Switch which is like nine people which actually I think one of them is Naive none of them was playing neon white so I had nothing to compare to for like the cracked kids out there on the global leaderboards which is which are crazy.

[02:06:13] Yeah, all of my friends are like silver and bronze every single person that I have all my friends just have played this game just like yep I passed it and they just went onto the next one so I literally was like okay I'm just competing with myself here

[02:06:24] every map I did I aced That's crazy. Does it track your just your initial run because like after I would get it Yeah. Okay cause I would do a run and then I would like okay I didn't get the ace and I would see like the leaderboards

[02:06:39] of my time compared to you and that would do it again and get the ace but it still showed my initial run so I don't know if it tracked the ace after I do it or if it's just like that's what's there I don't know.

[02:06:48] I think if you leave and come back it'll update it It'll show you the updated one It's I think it always shows your first one and then every time you replay it doesn't matter what you get and then when you come back

[02:06:58] it will remember that you got the better time it just and then track that afterward Okay, that's kind of what I thought cause I was like it's weird I have a better time but it's not showing that upgraded on like my friends list

[02:07:09] of like now my time is better so okay. Another thing I really love about the hint system is that like sometimes I would be struggling a little bit and then I would I would I'm like okay I could jump over this thing

[02:07:19] but how do I kill those guys way over there and then that becomes like a whole another puzzle with like how do I skip this much of the level but kill the demons back there and like you can like there's one specific one

[02:07:31] where like you have to jump over there's this like spot where you can jump over and skip a bunch but you have to shoot a grenade all the way across the map and then shoot another grenade all the way across the map while traveling through the air

[02:07:42] and then you got to turn around and land on a pad in a specific spot and I'm like Yeah, this is possible and then eventually I just started doing it regularly and like this game just it's it's like crack cocaine for the one more try

[02:07:54] one more try kind of people Oh, absolutely No, we were talking about like getting a hint in this level but the hint is just like showing you a path of a quicker way to do this but the quicker way is most of the time

[02:08:06] still a more difficult way of doing it because you have to kill all of the enemies as well to get to the end and track that time so it is a hint but it's still fucking hard to do these two so it's like

[02:08:17] you still have to have like the the skill to go and do the hint as well Yeah, and the game is like visual design too is really really good at directing you on that first run too so it's like you're never going to spawn into a map

[02:08:29] and be like super confused about where to go or what to do because there's always like a bunch of trees that are like and like the color a contrast in colors is like very it's very good at pointing you in direction without literally putting an arrow there

[02:08:42] kind of like Mirro's Edge actually was like Yeah, very similar to Mirro's Edge I was actually weight backgrounds and everything and the the splashes of color Yeah, the monsters are all color coded the doors are red the trees are you probably don't even really notice the trees

[02:08:55] but they literally guide you in the in like the standard path they're just kind of like your eyes just it just tricks your brain into like kind of and say intuitively knowing where to go I was actually doing like when this first came out

[02:09:08] I was working on like a YouTube video about like the design of it I just never finished it so I did a little bit of research and like the developer is like quoted in an interview saying like if you just play

[02:09:20] if you just play to win each level without going back to optimize your time you're not really playing neon white and that's kind of like why he worked so hard on these subtle things that kind of make your brain want to try again because that's typically

[02:09:33] not most people's reaction to games like most people don't beat a level in like gears of war and like I bet I could beat that level a little bit better let me retry it like that doesn't normally happen but the way that the systems kind of work together

[02:09:45] it really kind of tricks you into doing it and one thing that I thought was really funny is when he was developing this game originally it was supposed to be a first person shooter with like card power-ups kind of like almost like frag punk like that's kind of

[02:10:00] which is another free to play hero shooter that concord has to find inviting against yep yep yeah yeah but it was supposed to be like that and he couldn't really find find a way to make that fun and he kind of just started like making levels

[02:10:15] and putting cards in like strategic places and like giving the builds to his like friends and then he was just noticing that his friends were like really competitive about trying to see how fast they could beat the levels and then he would try to make it

[02:10:29] like harder for them to be able to beat the levels in good times and like it just kind of like snowballed from there and the whole like organic core concept of the game changed like mid development into this which is like a fantastic thing

[02:10:39] it's just weird how game development works sometimes well like you said sounds like Halo yeah I feel like speedrunning is such like can be a very intimidating thing for people or even just seen as like oh that's something that these like insane gamers that like you said

[02:10:52] put thousands of hours and really learn a specific game do but that one more try mentality is very approachable and it is definitely like it's interesting to think of like starting a level and then not doing it over again because I did that almost with every level

[02:11:09] I always like replayed the level for some reason I always had that drive to go back in and that just naturally comes from playing this like you have that urge to go back in you're like oh I can do better I can do

[02:11:19] especially with the ghosts of like you're fighting against yourself even that you have like your your friends and you have the global and yourself there's always something that's like are you good can you do better you could do better next time or you see Philip on the leaderboard

[02:11:31] and you're like fuck that guy and you go back in and yeah it's the game design like in the background just nudging you to do that without you realizing it's so cool it's not common that games are that well made that they can just subtly manipulate your psyche

[02:11:49] into doing things you don't normally do yeah I think it also helps that the beginning levels are so short because like Jared was saying he was seeing my he saw that picture I sent him and he's like two minutes yeah like blew my mind that's the thing though

[02:12:03] the later levels can get so long because you're already it's got its teeth sucking into you by then you're like you'll do anything now kicked in yeah yep yeah it's just great man there's probably people that are listening to this right now

[02:12:14] they're like oh I don't speed run oh that sounds hard oh I don't know about ace man I guarantee you if you played this you will get ace you'll get ace on some levels and you will you will you won't get it at first

[02:12:24] and you'll want to retry and you'll get it well like they've said you'll feel it like you hit the ace and then the next time you do a level and don't get it and you're like I know I can hit that ace

[02:12:31] I can go back in and hit it yeah it's so well designed you'll be surprised how much fun you can have even if it's not something that you typically play it's not like that Titanfall training gauntlet that's like oh I remember doing that

[02:12:43] and like people speed running that or like throwing grenades and bouncing off the walls and everything yeah yeah and I mean this game according to how long to beat is like 10 hours so it's like it's not even like a very lengthy game you can definitely put

[02:12:55] a lot more than that in there because of that you know one more time mentality but if you're looking to get like it's not a very long experience either so it's a very approachable like length game too and also if you if you go to the very end

[02:13:11] it'll let you continue playing I did every I got to the last part where it's like this is definitely the end and I went back and collected everything you don't have to do that there is a secret like true ending though that you do need to collect

[02:13:23] everything for which I won't I won't spoil but um it's okay I don't know if anyone's playing this game for the story no the characters are charming I think but the story isn't like it's not like yeah it's not bio shocker or anything like that yeah yeah

[02:13:39] well while we're on that we got all I got a list of all the characters right here all the ones that matter anyway so we got neon white who's the protag he's got amnesia surprise surprise surprise he can't remember things so that the audience

[02:13:53] could stand in with him so he's he's the person you play he's the one interacting with everyone not much to say about him then we have the neon trio that you interact with red yellow and violet I don't know what we're gonna do

[02:14:07] or we're gonna just talk about who each one is or who did who was the favorite by the way who we who are we standing red I well yeah red we have for obvious reasons neon oh come on I was I was a yellow guy I loved you

[02:14:21] I love that guy no I was I was just about to say red for sure but yellow has a grow like grew up has grown on me at the point of the game that I'm in because at first I was like yeah like like whatever but even like

[02:14:33] in the narrative you see white starting to like grow on him like yellow starting to grow in white too and at that point it was like okay he's kind of growing on on me as well so I don't think there any are bad just red is just like

[02:14:45] oh no the person that voices red is the is the person that voices the female blood elf in World of Warcraft so voice actor for white because I'm he's so familiar he's a he's a big anime dude and a video game dude yeah because I heard like

[02:15:03] because right when the game starts you have like the intro sequence and it's white talking and I recognize that voice Steve Blum okay I don't know what that is but Steve sounds familiar Blum Blum I titled Steve and Steve Blumny on white was the first he's Wolverine

[02:15:21] oh that's right and he plays um uh a cowboy beep up the oh my gosh why am I blaking on the big character's name Jesus yeah he is he's in so much shit he is a demon slayer he's in bullet storm he's in Naruto he is a character

[02:15:35] in like a dragon English Star Heel he's everywhere no wonder I recognize his voice he does the voice of Baraka in Mortal Kombat that's that's where I know him from Baraka oh yeah he's in fucking everything Diablo 4 Callisto Protocol Call of Duty Marbles Midnight Sun

[02:15:53] Oh Sung One's in this game I watch his YouTube video that's funny he plays one of the cats he plays Gabby Gabby he plays Gabby that's that's a funny because she has like a really like New York New York fucking style voice I completely lied I did not

[02:16:12] I gave up halfway through this paragraph I just saw his name and Gabby is not he plays Mikey okay that means he all sounds like a New York boy yeah but uh they both are so Mikey and Gabby they're the cats they're the angels the joke is that

[02:16:27] you we don't perceive angels the way they actually look we have to you it has to be filtered through our human mind and there's a really cute joke about that where the red you're with red and red is like yeah you're a cartoon cat

[02:16:40] but neon sees like an anime cat so it's kind of like oh that's kind of weird and then yellow bus and he's like dude can you believe we're getting missions from John Cena yeah it's like what what our simple minds can perceive these angels to represent

[02:16:55] I love that it's cats because I feel like that tracks so much I would definitely have cats mine yeah it makes me wonder so you when you collect these gifts I don't know if you guys have looked at the gifts or anything

[02:17:07] there are multiple things you can get from all the neons you get you get side store submissions and you also get dialogue that like like background dialogue and once you get towards the end it actually starts unveiling memories that from when you guys were alive it's really cool

[02:17:25] if you're into the story whenever you talk to Raz he's the guy who runs the bar he's the cat angel that runs the bar he'll give you items that you can hang up that you can put on your shelf in your house in your room

[02:17:39] and whenever you give gifts to Mikey he will give you paintings or drawings that each of the neons see the angels as so that's you get to see you get to see how violet sees them or how how red sees how green sees you get to see everything

[02:17:56] so it's it's neat that's really cool I've only given gifts to red oh that makes sense so there's a lot of gifts and every single level has a gift it shows they're all color coded for who gets what but um yeah it's it's it's a nice

[02:18:14] reason to go back and like if you want to just kind of experience everything I went back and experienced everything I'm gonna go out and just say that the plot doesn't matter and no one's perwritten any particularly well but it's like if you like anime tropes

[02:18:28] then you're gonna see a bunch of anime tropes interacting with each other and that's fun I really like Raz I like Raz's voice actor whoever he is no I was the same way where like there's not a lot of at least like super high high stakes in here

[02:18:42] but just the the trophy animatis of it was enough to be like okay this is a good time like and I do love a little bit of like the life sim stuff for you to change presence and they even have like valuable effects you know

[02:18:55] getting the dialogue options getting the memories and everything like that too but it was it was enough to be like okay this is fun but it wasn't like overwhelming a lot because I know like five month three hours as like an overwhelming amount of like life sim stuff

[02:19:08] so it was good it was good but I mean everyone's you're here for the for the gameplay that's that's pretty much what you're here for yeah absolutely I just looked through his IMDB like fully neon whites yeah he voiced Lieutenant Colonel Robert Burns and Vanquish and he

[02:19:25] hell yeah funny and he voiced the Brutes in Halo 3 oh what the hell this guy's a legend no when I heard his voice I was like I've heard this guy somewhere like I know his voice but I couldn't think of who he was it turns out he's

[02:19:40] fucking everybody it turns out he's all over the place yeah it's so crazy because voice actors for video games are so like multi-dimensional like the guy that voices freaking the character the lead in Like a Dragon why am I blanking on his name right now Ichigo on Casuga

[02:19:58] yeah he's like also Vegeta I don't know it is crazy man I wish I could be a voice actor that's all I want to do actually that's all I want I'll send you I'll send you the the bows you did and you're gonna put that in your reel

[02:20:15] and add that to your yeah my first voice acting performance and then my first podcast guesting and we're all together yeah you're all set you're all set speaking of plot I don't know how much you guys want to go through this so I think actually don't look at

[02:20:33] that it's just it's just like kind of dressing it's it's good enough to to keep you engaged but it's not like it's not gonna win any awards at the point I'm at again it's not very deep at all but nothing crazy has happened like there hasn't been

[02:20:51] any kind of like crazy thing the only thing that happened recently is is a violet because throughout the whole story it seems like all of the neons aside from us have memories of each other and us and we have no concept or context of what they're talking about

[02:21:06] and violets like essentially just be safe around everybody because some people might be taking advantage of your amnesia and like painting themselves in a different picture that's that's as far as I've gotten in the narrative but again like Eric was saying it at least right now that the

[02:21:19] story isn't like a big a big thing at the moment yeah there's stuff to get invested in if you want to get invested in I was talking a lot I shot this game out to a lot of people and then for some reason yeah just could not

[02:21:31] could not find time for other people to be on but Dave Jackson of of tells from the backlog he wanted to be on but he said I'm gutted I won't have a chance to absolutely trash the writing in that game on the show yeah I mean

[02:21:46] and it's like through the writing it's but I was like Saturday morning cartoon yeah I feel like it's intentional though like especially with the yellows character and everything and like a lot of the lingo they use it's just like yeah it's intentionally supposed to be written

[02:21:58] kind of like crappy and just have all like you said just be all the anime tropes possible intertwined into it as well yeah the main thing is that everyone reads out like they're 15 or 16 but they are drawn as if they are like 25 to 30 hey that's an provider yeah

[02:22:17] that I mean that's the funny thing because it's like when you get into the story I'm not going to spoil anything but like there is a thing of like these are kids who never grew up so it kind of makes sense that they act like kids still but

[02:22:29] yeah but like you're saying I mean that's anime in general being drawn like they're in their 20s and it's like well that's wild yeah and they died young they also talk about they died young and stuff yeah so that was neon white I guess did we miss anything

[02:22:46] or is there anything we went really hard on the the insight thing I far I forgot about that honestly I was so narrow-mindedly chasing the aces I just forgot I was that same way and like Eric was saying it just goes to the absolute like pristine game design

[02:23:01] where it's like yep that's that's they were they were slowly drip feeding this stuff to you and you were unintentionally just like following this breadcrumb that was leading you to wanting to replay these levels and replay the ace and everything the only thing that we didn't

[02:23:15] really talk about which is just it's just a good overall but the music the music is fantastic oh yeah machine girl I think I listen to it every day this may be like out of pocket but I don't know why this reminded me of this

[02:23:26] the music in here reminded me of the music from Bomberman hero on the n64 holy shit I don't know why I got that maybe someone out there will be like yes I agree with you but I don't know why it's finally someone said it exactly

[02:23:41] I don't know why I immediately thought of that and I was like I'll just send you the the music so you can hear it and you know judge me accordingly but that was the first thing I thought of but the music is fantastic like it's so good

[02:23:51] that was the funny thing I mean not really the funny thing because I didn't put any of them in the dock but some of the the steam reviews would be like man the new machine girl album slaps it's like but it's attached to a video game

[02:24:06] I didn't know what they meant though so I was like okay I don't know what that means sure I thought they were talking about violet it's great whole thing's on spotify if anyone cares yeah or you can buy it digitally off of steam like they do that

[02:24:19] like it's like DLC but it's really just a soundtrack but uh that's all there for you guys so I guess we're gonna have to go to the final word there's no it's so awkward because there's no we used to have a a break here

[02:24:33] but it didn't make sense because it would be like two minute last part of the video or the episode yeah now for the final words first off we introduced a new thing in this section that I keep forgetting to write down how much

[02:24:48] would you be willing to pay for neon white with the information you have now um I'm gonna talk in Canadian dollars so probably nothing to every single person listening to this I paid I think 2899 for it on switch and also the same price for it on ps5

[02:25:12] so that's like it's almost 60 bucks and I'm gonna buy the physical copy which I saw on sale right now for 29 so so far I'm almost at 100 bucks $100 for neon white it is $20 in American dollars that's the base price it's probably like 70 65 70 dollars us probably what I will

[02:25:35] at the end of the day what I would have spent I think I think the game is amazing it's definitely worth buying once I mean you don't have to be a degenerate like me and buy it on multiple platforms and because it's such a good game

[02:25:47] it's such a I think this is a game that will be like a game that people reference in like game design talks and stuff like that going forward I think it's that good in terms of its design and so I want to preserve that which is why

[02:26:02] I wanted to buy a physical copy because it was a physical copy that was released post-launch so the entire thing is on the disc and it can be preserved and I'm weird like that you can see behind me well you guys can listeners can't

[02:26:14] but I like to collect video games physically yeah he's got a sick ass setup back there you can just see my trash or actually my apartment's very clean I'm just adoring some art for me I got some art up there and that's pretty much it

[02:26:29] I don't know how much you pay dear oh man this is this is hard because like I already like don't buy like games that much I like suck along the subscription service and just do all of that I think probably like 40 or 50 in my mind what I did

[02:26:46] I was like I just like put the price on these and it's already 20 so I was like 30 yeah probably 40 yeah when I hit 50 I was like I don't know maybe so I think around that range as to what I would pay for it

[02:26:58] it has a lot of content and like I said base game is 10 hours but you can easily put upwards of like 40 50 especially if you want to grind through collect everything get all the aces like this has a lot of content in it for sure and quality content too

[02:27:12] like this game is built beautifully and we talked about all the systems we talked about everything else and everything else there all of those mechanically just make a beautifully made game and so I mean maybe upwards of a full price maybe even a $60 game I don't know

[02:27:28] I can see a lot of people being very hesitant to that especially because it's like quote-unquote indie it's an indie game so a lot of people are like oh indie must be cheaper because it's indie but I think I would easily do like 40 50 dollars on this

[02:27:40] yeah that's a big that's a big big words I also follow suit though I'm sitting on for $30 is a slam dunk for this $40 I would still pay for it but this game is just default $20 which is so absolutely worth it like I

[02:27:54] and it's just buy it for you buy it for a friend get some indoctrinate somebody it's like a huge thing on Xbox and Steam is gifting games to each other I don't think you can do that on PlayStation yet but I genuinely do enjoy gifting people games

[02:28:08] that I really love especially if I get something on a subscription because I start to feel guilty you know there's this game this visual novel that I really love called Valhalla Cyberpunk bar action something like that yeah I heard you talking about this

[02:28:22] I bought that game for like three people and I played it on Game Pass and but I was like I want my I know that I know some people who would love this and I want them to experience this and they don't have Game Pass

[02:28:34] so I'm just gonna spend $15 or whatever it costs to to give them something I remember when we did our Get Rekt episode me and they've talked about Hellblade and Spec Ops the line and you're like I'll buy Spec Ops the line

[02:28:49] for you because I want you to play this game and I was like okay I'm passionate about it man money's not a problem whenever it comes to getting people into the to the peak fiction yeah especially with these indie games like if you have us

[02:29:01] if you like have it on a subscription service like I do want to buy a visual copy of this because I've liked the game so much but if you have it on Game Pass and if you loved it and you've put like hours and hours into it

[02:29:10] especially an indie game like go buy the game go buy it so it supports the developer and everything like that so if you find a game that you really love if you play it on subscription service go buy the real game or the physical game

[02:29:21] or the off subscription service version because it does support the developer yeah and it won't stay in Game Pass forever these type of games don't generally they usually have like a year or so in the service and you get a discount if you buy it too

[02:29:37] yeah Game Pass yep you get a discount even if you gift it I think so if you want to do the gifting route so those are the final words and I want to thank both of my co-op partners for coming on Jared from Play Along Podcast

[02:29:51] Eric from Game Positive you can keep hitting the dab I have this problem with your podcast where I always want to make Play Along one word I don't know what that is and then I'm like why can't I find you because it doesn't matter normally but yeah

[02:30:08] yeah I think you know obviously like Twitter handle is like Play Along but I get it it's like they should merge together they should be one I don't have enough time this is the same though I try to search gaming together one word and then didn't come up

[02:30:21] yeah I just don't have enough time for spaces man I would be one if it wasn't bad for SEO I would be gaming together with no no spaces in it yeah all one word and no one can read it so I want both of your link trees

[02:30:37] or however we can get a hold of you guys will be in the description so that everybody can find you I highly recommend you guys you want to if so for Game Positive we had the interview with me about the four quarters of my life

[02:30:50] the insert coin on Play Along I was Bowser on his well is that a specific it was a D&D thing but what was the name of that it was a Nat Funny was our the name of our video game D&D series which is like great

[02:31:04] you guys have really good names you have a good naming scheme get ready a lot of that's Kai he says he doesn't contribute a lot to the podcast but he comes up with a lot of the namings for our stuff and I'll give all the credit to him

[02:31:15] that's it's invaluable because naming shit is hard I stare I'll make like a list of 12 names for an episode I just stared it for like an hour and then I just give up and I'm like that one I guess this is gonna be good

[02:31:25] get wrecked is such a good name yeah that was his too he came up with get wrecked because I wanted like the idea of like the the you know recommendation and he said get wrecked and I was like that's it we gotta go with that one

[02:31:35] does it make you mad that would make me mad to be around someone just naturally no because like you're saying it's hard for me so someone can like ease that for me like that's fine like you take over you handle that naming scheme

[02:31:47] and I'll handle all the editing and I'll do that stuff I'm too I'm too competitive that's where me and Philip but our dear antlers into each other Mr. Sizzler or dear antlers man as soon as he does something I'll I'll I could do it better

[02:32:00] hold on just give me a minute I could have came up with I can do a better one than you no because I'm like I can't I can't that was you got it that's good I'll go with it all right I'm keeping these two

[02:32:09] prisoner because I like talking to them I'm gonna release them back into the wild like a cassette beast I don't know what you do in cassette beast you pull the tape out or whatever I think you put them in a blender unreal you blend their

[02:32:20] you blend their families together then you drink it whatever whatever comes out all right thank you very much guys for listening and we'll see you next time I don't know how Philippines does goodbye thanks everybody