G&C Podcast - Episode 283: The Games That Shaped Us #27: Pokemon Heart Gold/Soul Silver!

[00:00:00] Hey everybody! On this episode of Gaming And Collecting, me and Alex are returning for another one of our games that shaped us, this time talking about Pokemon Heart Gold and Soul Silver, the Gen 2 Remix. But anyways guys, on with the episode.

[00:00:16] It is Alex's impression of a salt shaker. Anyways...

[00:00:45] No, it's my impression of me shaking a drink and enjoying it. Alex is getting wasted. No, I'm not! No, I'm not! I just enjoy drinks with ice, okay? I prefer drinks with ice in it. Anyways, how you been? Well, I don't have to go to Long Island tomorrow, so I'm doing great. That's nice.

[00:01:14] That was something I had to do tomorrow and I was dreading it. Oh, and then like, so I'm going, the reason why I was going is to a supplier visit. Yeah. And so we had been talking about this issue since March. And they've had the parts on hand. Well, they've had like a couple of spares they had on hand.

[00:01:43] And then we had sent parts back in April because it took a little bit to like get the parts sent back. So they've had these parts since April. They only started reworking them today. Yeah, that's a little part. And it's June 10th when we're recording. Well, you know, I do them when you have time, do them when you don't. Yeah. So and we need at least six of them by the end of the month.

[00:02:09] In order to deliver our parts to our customer on time. So at this point. Absolute last minute because it's a perfect time. So at this point, and we've been I've been talking to them like every single week for an update and they've never gotten one. So and then like when I finally basically got to the point where I was like, hey, we're gonna have to come on site to see that these parts are being made. Because that's kind of where we're at. And guess what? Now the work's getting done.

[00:02:40] Yeah, it's crazy. Like it always sucks. But like when you threaten people of like coming to their facility, like as the basic, like as the supplier, you do not want to let your customer in ever. Like anywhere. Like it's very unlike like no supplier wants to do that. So whenever like a customer says that they want to come and see it, it's always like the worst possible scenario for some of our suppliers.

[00:03:09] So like part whenever I go visit a supplier, I usually have to bring like the M, the manufacturing engineer, the design engineer, if we have authority. And then myself and then sometimes like the quality engineer will go to or I'll do the role of the quality engineer. But the manufacturing engineer was giving me such a hard time about it. And I'm literally like, I'm just doing my job. I am doing what I've been told to do.

[00:03:38] And what I've been told to do is that you're supposed to come on this trip. And it was just like, he just like was making us think about it. And then like he brought up, he's like, I want to go on a ferry. And me and my boss were like, there was no point in going on the ferry one. You could miss the ferry. We'd be late. Like, like, we're not know like this is this is too much risk. You just you just don't want to go and he kept making us think about it. And then he pulls in his not even his current boss's old boss.

[00:04:07] And then his old boss told me that I'm going to make people quit because I'm doing my job. Because they have to go do their job and sometimes go to visit supplier. So I was so I literally I said, I looked it in the eye. As soon as he said that to me, I said trips canceled by and I walked away. When it really wasn't. But I was like, I'm not dignifying you with a response after you tell me that it's my fault.

[00:04:34] And more people and people are going to quit because I'm telling them to do their fucking job. Are you kidding me? So I just go to HR. They both got well, I went to my boss and they both got yelled at. And the guy who was pulling up the stink basically got like told off and told you're no longer trusted to go to suppliers at this point. And like, this is like your warning and you might be going on like a plan or something soon. So it kind of sucks.

[00:05:02] But he was trying to be all like in my face today. And like he was like, good afternoon, even though it was like morning just to be annoying. And I said, sure. And I like started talking to someone else. You're nicer than me. I would have went right to HR. I don't give a fuck. I was just it was just like it's been a day. But today went better. And then the trip got canceled because.

[00:05:29] They the guy so they ended up sending us a picture of one of the parts that they finally did start reworking and it's completely wrong. But also, like at this point, it doesn't seem like the rework is going to be successful just because of the complexity of the part. And like they're like, oh, yeah, like the production manager also isn't going to be there that day either. So we wouldn't be able to like make a plan for how we're going to get these parts done either.

[00:06:00] So. Sounds like a business. Oh, yeah. So it's just it's been fun. And like some a lot of this isn't even my job. Like I'm being told to do this, even though I'm. I'm not supply chain. I do supplier quality like this isn't my forte. I handled the quality issue. I really shouldn't be doing this, but I am because like I was asked to. Yeah. But so that's how my week's been. So originally we weren't supposed to record the day we were recording. We were going to record this weekend.

[00:06:31] Yeah. But yeah, it's just it's been a week. So I don't know. I like I get it. I wouldn't want to drive. I didn't want to drive to Long Island either. But like at least treat me with some respect, please. Like I'm just trying to do my job. And it's a job I didn't even sign up for. Yeah. Like, I feel like people forget that. People forget that because I've been told that I do a really good job. So. That sucks.

[00:06:58] That's the thing about like being sorry for ranting at the start of this video, but I guess that's like what sucks when you're good at your job is that people rely on you too much. Yeah. It's just like they rely on you too much. And then when you suddenly aren't available, they're like, what do we do? Because they don't plan. Nobody plans anything. No. Yeah. I mean, I'll get over it with the guy. The original one, his old boss, though.

[00:07:28] Fuck him. I'm not talking to him and like he can go retire and fuck off. He's planning to retire. But like, I'm just like, I'm done with you. You disrespect woman all the time. Like, just go retire. You clearly don't want to be here. Just go like I'm just I'm so annoyed. Like, I hate when people stick around to be miserable. And it's just like you're not helping. You're hurting. Yep. I'll get over it with the other guy. Like, it'll be fine. Like, I just if he asked me, I'm just gonna be like, I think I deserve an apology for how you were treating me.

[00:07:59] So that's all I'm gonna say. I'm like, until I get one. Fuck you. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just I understand that because that's the why why I'm like I am at work sometimes. Yeah. But it's just but keep it all. You know, I haven't done anything. I'm professional. I've just been doing my job. But it's just it's hard. Some days it's just this week has just been exponentially hard. Yeah, literally, like, I'm like, if you're gonna quit over not going on a ferry, that's kind of sad.

[00:08:29] That's all I'm gonna say. Yeah, that's literally what you where he was at. So I'm like, you're kind of sad. Yeah. Anyways, give me. You know, what's not sad? What? The tractor got a point. I know that. But you know, it's funnier, too, is he got a point sooner with this car than last year. That's that's actually last year.

[00:08:57] Kind of pathetic about last year. It took them like nine races to get a point. And it's and technically and someone said technically, if you do the math and we have the two races that would have missed, it still would have been faster. Mm hmm. Which is crazy to think about. But Timmy's already about to tie George in terms of wins. Oh, my God. I thought that was so funny. And then also I was like, apparently George's contract got leaked.

[00:09:27] And like, if he doesn't like if he doesn't get a specific number of wins by like the halfway point of the year, like he'll be terminated or something. I highly doubt. I doubt that. I don't think they'll terminate him midseason, but I feel like they might not do him next. They might pick someone else next year. Possibly. Max for staff. Well, I don't know, Alex. I mean, apparently Red Bull has the most powerful engine.

[00:09:57] You know, you know, you know, it's great, Alex. What? Red Bull has the most powerful engines. You know what that means? What? Mercedes gets to get an upgrade to their engine. What? Yeah. Like, really? Yeah. Yeah. That's how fucking stupid the new engine rules are. Because like, so Aston, Aston and Ferrari get two upgrades. Oh, are they actually going to use them this time?

[00:10:25] Well, no, the engine upgrades are completely different from car upgrades. Car upgrades are its own thing. Engine upgrades are part of the whole balance of performance thing they're trying this year. And because they want to keep the teams that are really far behind are. They want to keep them from falling super far behind. But at the same time, they're giving Mercedes fucking more fucking upgrades. Gotta love F1. Especially this year.

[00:10:52] But like everyone's like, now people are, there's like conspiracies that Mercedes been gaming the system to make their engine worse than Red Bull's. That's so funny. Because Toto did say at the start of the year that Red Bull had the most powerful engine. Yeah. And everyone just laughed about it. But now it's like, oh. I mean, the thing is though, you need the perfect combo of the car itself and the engine. Well, I'm pretty sure that- So you can have the most powerful engine, but if the car isn't up for the engine, it's not enough.

[00:11:20] Well, that's actually the theory is that Mercedes engine being powerful has been greatly over exaggerated. It's actually their car is really good. Yeah. Their engine is actually kind of unreliable, which is one of the main reasons why McLaren is having so many problems lately. Well, I mean, Kimmy's been doing lucky, but George is the one who's been having the engine problems. So, I mean, they're just giving Kimmy the better car.

[00:11:50] Kimmy's also not been driving the shit out of the car like George has had to do recently. Yeah. Because one of the reasons his engine died in Canada was because he was driving the shit out of it to keep Kimmy behind him. Mm. Well, and I did see, I saw these guys, it was like, you know how people post their podcasts, like clips from their podcasts? Yes. Well, it was one guy who he made a really good point and I'm, I bet you'll like it because it has to do with like Lando and McLaren is that people treat.

[00:12:20] He said people treat Lando Norris how they should treat George Russell currently. Yeah. Well, because last year, like they said, like when Oscar was doing better than Lando last year, Lando always said, I need to do better. He did. Oscar's doing great. I need to perform better. I am not performing well enough. And then he had the great, one of the greatest end of year recoveries ever.

[00:12:49] And Oscar crashed and burned really hard. Yeah. But like when people were, and then they were comparing quotes from George where George won that one race and said, this is the best car. This car fits me really well. And then the very next race when Kimmy won, he said the car suits Kimmy better than me. The car was made for Kimmy and has only been saying excuses. Granted, I will say like, there were some people who were saying like, also his car's been breaking down, but also he's been beating the shit out of the car.

[00:13:18] So it's only broken down. Yeah. One time. Yeah. But I really, I liked what they said because like people like, I didn't realize how much Lando hate there was. I was like, I don't really, I don't really get it. I'm like, George deserves the hate. We hate, we're a George Russell hater family. We all hate him. Especially my mom or mom. I don't hate him as a person. I just think he's an annoying dick.

[00:13:47] That's really the. But he deserves the hate that Lando gets. I don't get. He doesn't take accountability. He's been blame, blame, blame. And it's all himself. He needs to improve. You can, the way I see it is you can hate on Lando all the time. But the thing is, he's a world champion. So what are you going to do about it? Yeah. And I, I still, I, I, a part of me is wants Kimmy to win the next race so badly.

[00:14:17] He probably will. I want him to win it so badly. Just to like. Also. With George Russell. That would be hilarious. Or Carlos. He just got murdered in fucking Monaco. I know the smooth operator. Well, that race was a shit show. Well, and then like, I was, I saw photos. People were posting photos like from Monaco of like the road after. The track that was.

[00:14:45] And like, you could see the spot where, of course, like that's where the, like him. That's where. Well, not, that's not where Carlos crashed, but that's where like. Carlos got run over. That's where Leclerc and Stroll both crashed. And you looked at the ground and you're like, of course they were going to crash. The attachment was coming up. I still, I was really, I felt bad for Lance because everyone was like shitting on Lance. And then Charles does the same thing. And everyone's like, oh, it's not your fault, Charles. I know. I'm like, guys.

[00:15:13] I felt so bad for Lance Stroll. I really did. Like, I feel like he gets so much hate and like. Great. Like, I get it. He's the only money, but like. The only real pay driver left at the moment. Back, like back in the year, in like 2020, 2021 era. He was like one of like seven. And he was easily the least. He was easily the best one and like the least annoying. But now he's the only one left.

[00:15:42] He's knocked out, by the way. He's sitting back there and he's just like. Also did the fucking Monaco train wreck that was Kim Kardashian being there. Oh, did you see she stole Kimmy's towel? Yeah, she stole Kimmy's towel. Was running over people in the paddock with her entourage. I was like, Jesus Christ. Like, of course.

[00:16:06] You know, the thing is, though, is like, I feel like Ferrari friends are okay with it because they're like, she is like. She is countering the Ferrari curse on Lewis right now. My favorite my favorite post I saw was, you know, those like penalty report, like images you'll see on social media all the time. And it was Kim. I saw that. I saw. I saw. Oh, no, this one was great. It was Lewis. And it said Lewis Lewis Hamas disqualified for ignoring all the red flags. I did see that.

[00:16:35] Like, oh, man. Poor guy. Oh, I'm sorry. Did I wake you back to sleep? You'll be fine. Big baby. Yeah, he's back. He's back to knocking himself out. But yeah, no Monaco. That was definitely an interesting race. And for anyone who was like saying like, I feel like Kimmy also had to prove himself again that race because like in that second start, he could have lost it all. He could have.

[00:17:06] It's just funny. Like, oh, poor Pierre. They're fighting that. Poor. Well, I just I the thing that broke my heart is that he didn't know. So when he was like, oh, yeah, Alpine didn't even bother to tell him. That was so douchey. Like that, like suck so bad because you saw him like clips of him going, yeah, third. Like that just sucked. I felt so bad for poor Pierre Gasly.

[00:17:35] I will say one of the. One of the the more entertaining moments of that race was so many so many like stupid penalties, but like the the George Russell like double the pit stop blunder where they didn't serve the penalty. The funniest video is when he pulls into the thing and the team immediately starts working. You see that one guy in the background going. Like he's like, no, what have you done? Like he knows exactly what happened and he just like doesn't know what to do.

[00:18:05] So he's like, oh, so because they started working, they didn't. They skipped the penalty. Oh, so the way it works is the way it works is this. The penalty doesn't get served until you pull fully into the box because they were double stacking. He hadn't pulled in yet. So the team thought because he was sitting behind, he served it then. But you can tell when you watch the pit stop. But a couple of the team members who actually understood the rules didn't touch the car yet. But the second that one guy touched the halo over.

[00:18:36] Damn, I was I was so confused when he suddenly went from like fourth to like eighth or tenth like I was. I was so confused when that hat. I mean, I was happy because I'm a George Russell hater, but I was also like really confused like what happened because I blinked and then suddenly it was like what? Why is he in like last? Yeah, because he had to do a drive through. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:19:03] Well, that race was literally like the Oprah Winfrey meme of like you get a penalty and you get a penalty. And you get a penalty. It makes you wonder is like you'd think after so many penalties like they'd be like maybe our machines messed up. So they showed it and apparently all the penalties, they were like over the speed limit by like point something like the littlest tiniest margin. Oh, my God. So they were just being really picky about it. Yeah, I guess it was Monaco. It was entertaining.

[00:19:32] It's very funny how a race with the lead never changed was massively entertaining. Yeah, even though no one could pass at all. But that's just Monaco. Well, no, actually, there was there was 21 passes on the first at the right at the start line, Alex. Because everyone passed Max right at the start. Oh, I love how Max just like got home. He just went home. He was just like he pulled a Kimmy reckoning.

[00:20:00] Yeah, he's got his yacht and relax except we didn't see his yacht. Well, they didn't follow him because he was not going to put up with that. I'm like, yeah, Charles who they followed around. Hmm. I know. I also saw I saw too like all the clips of him like he looked pissed. Oh, he was mad. Yeah, he was very mad. I did enjoy Valtteri was watching the race from up in the Cadillac booth just chilling. Yep. Because of course he was.

[00:20:27] He's like, what am I going to also did you see to that next race Perez's seat is going to be taken only for free practice? Yeah. Oh, okay. Just for free practice. Yeah, that's a that's a thing that for free practices. They occasionally have a rookie pop in and do them. It's the cut down on testing time. It's it's stuff. Okay. All right. Yeah, that makes sense.

[00:20:56] I feel like to like because like people can post anything and people will believe it. Like there's just so many F1 fake news articles. It's like F1 sloth. It's everywhere. It's everywhere. I do like though that the clip that you know that terrible cartoon where it's Toto and then it's George with the crying face. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[00:21:19] And he's like they've updated it and they've put that the new leaderboard with Kimmy and Lewis above. Yeah. That one George Russell face. He will never live down the rest of his career. Yep. Although the new the new best whatever is the one of him after discovering the penalty. Just even looking like I got that one's great, too.

[00:21:48] But yeah, that's the that's our F1 update. Yeah, that's that's the F1 segment for this. As the Martin got a point. Let's go one point. I love that video of the tractor going around. Oh, it's just I mean, like, hey, we'll take it. All of us will take it. And the fact that Alonzo got it, we are just we're living. We are living.

[00:22:17] Hopefully this means like good. Well, I hope that he does well in the next one since it's like his home, you know, home race. Maybe they'll upgrade the car by then. I hope so. Like they gotta do something. It's apparently from what I read rather than doing individual upgrades like the other teams, they're just going to full sale upgrade. Oh, that's why it's taking longer. I mean, honestly, I it probably makes sense. I'm going to laugh at it somehow slower.

[00:22:46] Yeah, yeah, but you never know. You never know. Well, according to Alonzo, everything about the car is fucked. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, well. Moving on. Um, so we do have a topic. No. What's in your sippy cup? No, you have to go first.

[00:23:17] Drinking a Franny's ginger ale. Um, it was in the fridge. It was in the fridge. I needed the caffeine. That's it? Yeah. Nothing else? Give us a fact. Read us a fact from it. I don't have a bottle so I can't read mine. It's got sparkling love. It's got sparkling love. What's in your sippy cup, Alex?

[00:23:49] Water. Minus the ice. It's got, it's a sparkling. So you know like that drink I had the last time, like the cherry sparkling water, but it was like flavor. Like it wasn't like seltzer water. You know what I'm saying? Yes. This one's the lime version. I actually really like it. I feel like if I mixed half of this with lime and then half of this with the cherry, it'd be like a cherry lime.

[00:24:18] And I feel like that would be really delicious. So I'm going to do that next time. But it's pretty good. I would give it on a scale of my orange iridescent sippy cup. I would rate it very iridescent. Nice. Also, I did my nails. And the audio listeners are really impressed. Oh wait. Oh wait. Don't do that.

[00:24:51] Can you hear my nails? Sure. I did. So I did acrylics by myself. No, no, not acrylics. No. What are you talking about? I'm talking about something important. Put the music back on. No. Put the music back on.

[00:25:23] All right. Well, yeah. I used like the nails to put them under like a light and it like tears them. So I had purple, hollow, iridescent nails. What do you think? Cool. Okay. Wait, look at them. See? Do you see the rainbows? Sure. Okay.

[00:25:52] That's me smacking my nails together. Oscar did not like that noise. I don't think the audio- He stole my slipper! Good. He's sitting on it. It's his now. Anything to say, Bubba, before we get started? If Oscar was a Pokemon, what type would he be? Uh, Snorlax. Wait, no. So a normal type? No. He's definitely not normal. Fair.

[00:26:24] I actually- I don't know- He's a fighting type. Well, actually- No, you need a fighter. Technically- Actually, what- Pooh is a fighting type. Wait, are normals good against fighting? Or is it the other way around? I don't- I don't remember. I never can remember the type of- Yeah! Did he bite you? Yeah. With love. You probably deserved it. I was petting him!

[00:26:54] Oscar's a fairy type. Yes! He's such a- He is! He is, cause he could beat a dragon. I know it deep down. He'd beat- He'd beat a dragon by boring it. He'd think that the dragon would die of boring it. No, he'd be like- Be the dragon by skipping and pooping. He'd beat it with love. He's a poop type!

[00:27:24] That'd be his real Pokemon type. So- Wait! No! You can't skip Miss Dingles. What type of Pokemon would Miss Dingles be? So he's a fairy type. What type would she be? Ground. Ground? She's very much a ground type. She- I- Actually, she does use Bulldoze. Or is that a rock move?

[00:27:55] Earthquake? She's like a ground fighting type. She's a ground fight, actually. Even though she's afraid. She does like to fly, though. I guess. Wait! He can be a fairy poison type. Because his poop smells like poison. It's toxic. Lovely. But speaking of Pokemon, we're doing another games that shaped us this week. We're talking about another Pokemon game.

[00:28:25] Doing HeartGold SoulSilver, the Gen 2 remakes. I'm actually surprised it took us this long to get to these ones. I feel like we've already talked about this at some point, but- We've talked about all the games at one point or another, but we've never actually focused on the Gen 2 remakes, which I still think are the finest remakes in the entire series. So you had Soul... SoulSilver, right? Yes. Ah, yes. Pokemon HeartGold SoulSilver.

[00:28:54] Can you believe these games came out in 2010? No! Yeah. It doesn't feel that old. Alex, I had the realization today that the PS3 and 360 are 20 years old. Yep. We're... We're old! HeartGold SoulSilver. Yeah, we're getting there. But, um... We're old.

[00:29:16] Yeah, HeartGold SoulSilver I always found really interesting, because it obviously was like the big remake of, like, Gen 2, like the Johto games, HeartGold Silver Crystal. Games that me and Alex kind of missed back in the day, because we kind of started with the advanced era games. Yep. Just because of age. Age and convenience, because the games around the time we got into Pokemon were Ruby Sapphire and then FireRedLeafGreen. Yes.

[00:29:43] Um, so we never really got to experience Gen 2, which was always kind of a weird thing for me, because I was always like, Gen 2 seemed interesting, but, like, could never play it, because finding those Game Boy Color cards was, like, impossible back then. And it's impossible now, but there was a brief period where it was easy. Yeah. Um, yeah. I feel like most people just try and collect SoulSilver at this point. Or, HeartGold SoulSilver. Yeah, they're pretty expensive, actually. Oh, yeah. Last time I checked...

[00:30:11] Didn't we see one, like, at the most, like, at RetroWorld, and we were like, what? That was highly overpriced, the one we saw, but yeah. Um, yeah, they wanted, like, 200-something dollars for it, which, at the time, was ridiculous. It might actually be around. Now, though, it might be actual. Yeah. Actually, they're both over 200 now. Fuck. Yeah.

[00:30:38] Um, so, looking at my most valuable, little sneak peek for the eventual most valuable games, round five. Uh, the current most valuable Pokemon games are HeartGold, SoulSilver, and Platinum. Huh? All over 200. Um, followed by White 2. Huh. Also 200. That's kinda random. Yeah. Um, the cheapest Pokemon game mainline one I can see is Diamond for, like, 77. So, yeah. That makes sense, though.

[00:31:07] Yeah, Platinum's not much farther behind it, either. Um, yeah. So, uh, yeah, Pokemon HeartGold, SoulSilver were very sought after. Uh, never owned the little speedometer doofy thing that came with it. Speedometer? Yeah, Pokemon HeartGold, SoulSilver came with, like, step counters. Like, these, like, Pokewalker things that you could, like, it was essentially a step counter. Oh. Um, and you would basically collect steps that you could, like, transfer into the game.

[00:31:37] Was it for, like, eight, like, if you had, like, a baby, like, an egg? Pokemon egg? Cause, or, don't some of them evolve based on, like, steps? Uh, let me see. Okay, so, according to this, additionally, a pedometer was bundled with each copy of the game called a Pokewalker, which allowed players to transfer Pokemon from game into a device, walk around with them earning Watts in the process, which can be exchanged in-game for in-game rewards. So, basically, you could get shit in the game by just collecting. Oh, okay. Walking around.

[00:32:07] Um, I knew kids in high school and middle school that did this. Oh, really? Like, I remember these things, and I was always like, that's fun. I wish I had one of those. Um, never had one. I got this game loose years later, and then eventually got a complete copy. Cause I think I had to. Yeah, I know I got this loose cause you gave it to me. Yeah, cause I had to track, I tracked down a copy for you to find, cause goddamn finding these games was hard back in the day. Yep.

[00:32:33] Um, so, right off the bat, these games essentially run off the Diamond and Pearl engine, but it's like a better version of it. Yeah, but just better. It's quicker, less slow. Um, we get, of course, the iconic starters of, uh, uh, Cyndaquil? Cyndaquil, Chikorita, and Totodile. Nobody picks Chikorita because fuck that. Um. Um. I feel like everyone, yeah.

[00:33:02] Like, no one, no one picks Chikorita. Well, cause you're playing hard mode, cause the first like four gyms are like evil if you pick Chikorita first. I always pick Cyndaquil. Most people do. I think you do too, right? Cyndaquil or Totodile. Um, but I always pick Cyndaquil. It's like one of the few games I don't pick the grass type. Also, Cyndaquil's just a badass of the three. Oh yeah, cause they become Typhlosion and that's fucking epic. Big fire creature. Yeah.

[00:33:30] But another thing this game did, and it's like one of the few games that does this, is the Pokemon follow mechanic. Oh yeah! Yeah! I love it, cause it's every Pokemon just follows you. Even the fucking legendaries. My favorite is when Snorlax follows you. Cause I always try and get a Snorlax on my team. Yeah, just to have one. And he always looks ridiculous behind you. Waillord is the funniest. That too. Or any of the legendaries, to be honest. Um, yeah, so it does that.

[00:33:59] Um, the story is slightly modified. Like they included, um, so they did a- Two games in one, technically. In a sense. Um, it always was back in the day, but this one is much better designed. Cause obviously, famously, once you finish Johto, you can go do Kanto again. Yep. Um, why not? Which is funny though, is because a lot of the areas in Kanto that were like super stripped down- Yes.

[00:34:29] That were, um, super stripped down in the original game. Because like they had to strip them down to fit them into a cartridge to have both. Uh, because the DS is much more powerful. They were actually able to, uh, beef up some of the areas. Like they replaced some of the gyms. Like gave them actually their gyms back. They have the meats. Um. You said beef up! Sorry. I couldn't resist. Bad jokes. You need- Wait, do you have a sound effect for a-

[00:34:59] I have- You need a ba-dum-chhh sound effect. Bongo roll. No, you need a ba-dum-chhh. See if you can get a ba-dum-chhh sound effect. I'll have to look, but um, yeah, um- So I can make bad jokes again. Cause I know like, I think Viridian Forest is still chopped down and you still can't go on the Pokemon Tower because it's a radio station now. Because fuck the Pokemon Gravesite. Um, but other than that-

[00:35:29] It was creepy. It was. Uh, they replaced a good amount of the, uh, the locations in Kanto though. Um, like, uh, Blaine isn't just chilling in a random cave anymore. He actually has a kind of gym in a cave now. Um, cause- Kind of, though. Cinnabar Island was blown up still. Yeah. Um, yeah, so fun stuff like that. Um, this game also introduced a lot of evolutions. Like one of Alex's favorites, Crobat was in this game.

[00:35:59] Yeah. Like a lot of, uh, two more evolutions. I usually always try and have a Crobat on my team. Uh, the only time I haven't really had one is the most recent games. Cause I don't think you could get. Hmm. I don't think. I don't think I ever encountered one like a, of a Zubat or anything. Yeah. That's so sad. Now that I think about it. I think this is, I think this is also the game that had the, uh, the famous youngster Joey, the one that's like my gratitude is the top percentage of gratitude.

[00:36:29] And then you just like kill him one shot. Yeah. Uh, well, cause you can also like, this is also the game that has like the cell phone where like people, trainers can like call you and like request stuff, but you always say no cause you don't want to be annoyed the entire time. Yeah. Um, also the, the rival in this game is a massive douche. Is it the one I named butthead silver? Yeah. I usually, I usually just, what's, what's, what's his name again? Douche.

[00:37:00] Butthead. Um, and professor Elm who gets like robbed. Yeah. At the start of the game. Professor Oak comes in and he's like, fuck you. This is my game now. I'm wearing a gold jacket. He wears a fancy gold jacket. Cause you do get to see professor Oak later in the game. He should have had a silver jacket for soul silver. Yes. Um, yeah, it's fun. Uh, this game has probably one of the most interesting like areas to explore.

[00:37:29] Um, some of the gym leaders are brutal though. Like, I mean, this game in general is brutally hard. It's one of the last few games that were actually, yeah. I mean, if you know what you're doing, it's easy, but like if you don't like, you can't just like luck your way through shit. No, but even then, like the final, like the final big fight you have with, um, red. Is it red? Red. Red. On his mountain. On his mountain.

[00:37:55] Like you need to like have your Pokemon at really fucking high level. If you want any chance of beating him. Like that box, that fight is legitimately hard. If you're not leveled up enough. At the time of this game, that peak is Pikachu is, I think it might still be, but at the time it was definitely the most powerful Pokemon in the entire series. Yeah. They actually beefed it up because of, um, in a, in a diamond. Diamond and Pearl.

[00:38:23] There's a berry fight where berry has a Pokemon that's like super strong and people were pissed that it overshadowed red. So they actually buffed up reds, uh, Pikachu. They also replaced his Espeon with a, uh, Lapras, which I guess makes sense. Well, both make sense technically because he would have an Eevee, but he'd also have a Lapras. Weird choice. Still has everything else the same. Climbing that mountain is a pain. Yep.

[00:38:53] Um, try to find his. Yeah. I wanted to double check what the level of his Pikachu was, but I can't find it. So. This game also replaced, uh, the, the fee original female trainer, Chris with Lyra. Lyra is like a weirdly controversial protagonist to some people. Oh, really? Like her design is like unpopular, I guess.

[00:39:19] I mean, it, it, it's not my favorite. Uh, the hat with the pigtails with the overall shorts and the knee socks. It's a lot going on. I still think the funniest is in, um, the, in the Pokemon adventures manga because Chris was established like in the original run and they continued on through throughout the entire thing.

[00:39:43] Um, or well, Chris, Chris is known as a crystal in the, uh, the manga, but, um, when, uh, they get to the heart gold soul silver section, they actually gave her Lyra's outfit. She looks ridiculous in it, which is really funny because Lyra doesn't exist in the manga. Um, good. And then, uh, Ethan got redesigned too. Now he has, uh, it's like the same look, but he has like shorts now rather than like the yellow pants he had in the original game.

[00:40:14] Hmm. Um, yeah. Uh, this game also had the day and night system, which was kind of fun. Like during the day you'd find Fijiotos, but then during the night you'd find Hoot Hoots. Hoot Hoot. I love Hoot Hoot. Well, I love Knocked Owl. I like it. Like the ball form. Uh, fun stuff like that. Um, this game also had roaming legendaries, which aren't fun. Hmm. God damn. Nope. Master bull go. Cause like you need them. God damn it.

[00:40:45] Quick ball. You just throw a quick ball. Hope for the best. So which gym was your least favorite? Was it Whitney? Uh, I'm trying to look up the gyms for a start. I want to. Cause a lot of people, a lot of people don't like Whitney and her milk tank. Oh yeah. Yeah. I remember that. That milk tank was evil. I remember, I think I remember too.

[00:41:16] I think I struggled with the, um, fighting one because I just don't think I had a Pokemon that was right for fighting. And I didn't, I, at the time when I was playing soul silver, I was playing smart, but I also played with the fact I want to have adorable looking Pokemon on my team. Yes. So I didn't always make the best choices. Alex had not yet learned. Nope. Type matching. Nope.

[00:41:45] Chuck Testa. Nope. Nope. Um, yeah. Looking through some of the, uh, additional Pokemon they added for this gen. Um, I, I did like the, uh, the red Gyarados. The red Gyarados is always fun. No one, if you imagine getting an actual, like legit, like red Gyarados out in the wild, no one will ever believe you. And like, it's not like it's a shiny, right? It's just a different color. It is a shiny technically.

[00:42:15] Cause if you get a shiny Gyarados in like the wild, it's, it's red. It's the same. Oh, it is. Yeah. It's, it's the easiest shiny to get, but it also means like, if you actually legitimately get a shiny Gyarados out in the boat, no one will believe you. Yeah. I mean, I've only gotten one shiny in my entire time playing and it was a shiny Onyx on Iron Island in my original diamond copy. Wait, you got a shiny Onyx? Yeah. Yeah.

[00:42:44] That's legitimately the only shiny I've ever got too. Really? That's funny. I'm not kidding. And, um, it was in, um, Emerald. Oh, that's fun. Yeah. I got one. Uh, I think I just found it. And I, I, I think I didn't, I almost didn't catch it. And then I was like, Oh, it's just like, I was like, I don't want this trash. Why is it gold? I was in catch.

[00:43:08] And then like, I put it on my team and then I ended up taking him off my team because he kind of like just wasn't strong. Oh no. I had him on my team just because he was shiny. And I was like, shiny Onyx. Hell yeah. And I actually, I don't know how people find shinies. Like I never fucking find them. And in the newer games, it's even harder because then you have to spot them in real time. Oh yeah. I feel like I never end up, I can never tell her I'm never paying attention enough.

[00:43:37] I remember there was for a long time people who would shiny grind on, um, on, uh, their like Game Boy Advance games, like to get like the shiny starters. Like they just do like the start a game, not shiny down AB reset. It started game. Wait, people actually did that? Oh yeah. Yeah. Shiny grinders. They, that was a thing for a long time. I tried it. I was like, I don't have the fucking patience for this. Cause it is. It's literally something you do.

[00:44:05] Like when you're like watching TV or something. Yeah. But, um, I think Oscar has beef with my fan in here. He keeps like staring at and going like, that's my favorite NASCAR race name ever. What? There's a, there's a, there, there's one of the Xfinity. The races. It was literally for a long time was the beef. It's what's for dinner. Five hundred. Arby's. That's still not going to Arby's.

[00:44:35] We should just try it. And be very disappointed. I've heard the chickens actually pretty good. So, um, is there even an Arby's nearby? I don't know. I know there's one in Springfield. There was, I think there's one down by like the, there's one in Chickapie. Is there, I don't want to go to Chickapie though. Is there, I don't want to go to Chickapie though. Yes, there is. You can get it after work. No. Because I remember whenever, um, I would drive to, um, my friend from work.

[00:45:05] I don't want to dox her. I don't want to dox her. Oh, shoot. I'm not going to say it. Nevermind. Nevermind. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I would have to, I would basically have to pass an Arby's. So I know there's one in Chickapie that I would have to pass. You don't live in Chickapie. So it's not like we're doxing us. No. Um, I didn't want to dox her. That's fair. I'm trying, I'm trying to learn, but we live in, ah, just kidding.

[00:45:33] I don't want to have to get legitimately angry again. I love how angry you get when I say we live in, we live in, ah, town. Come business and ah. No. Um, yeah, but, um, this, this, this game had the dope. Some of the most interesting, like, um, this was the first game where I really got into

[00:46:01] like a friend, like the friendship, um, evolutions. Yep. Like to get like Crobat just driving around fucking, um, uh, Saffron city for a thousand times or golden rod. Yep. To get the goddamn, um, be like, come on evolve. You motherfucker. Evolve. Like do, do, do, do. It's like eat these full restores and then, and then, uh, evolve. Evolve, damn it. Evolve. This is also the second.

[00:46:29] This game also had team rocket again and team rocket was like, they were like cutting off Snorlax tails at one point. Yeah. No, not Snorlax, uh, slow poke tails. Yep. Uh, for the. Does Snorlax have a tail? I don't think so. Um, also this, this game had the. They cut them off. We wouldn't know. Yeah. Uh, actually I think, uh, his earlier munchlax might have a tail. I don't remember.

[00:46:55] Um, this game also had the, um, the apricorns where you could use to make custom monkey balls. Huh? I don't remember that. I won't lie. You probably never did it. Probably. Um, you could make the heavy ball, the lure ball, the friend ball, the love ball, the level ball, the fast ball. The turd ball. And the moon ball. Ooh.

[00:47:21] Um, and they all had slightly different like attributes. Like the, the heavy ball was able to catch Pokemon that were slightly bigger, heavier. Uh, the lure ball was for like. Beans. While fishing for fishing encounters. Um, the friend ball, uh, they became more friendly.

[00:47:50] The love ball. Uh, you could, they were more likely to work against you. They were more likely to. That clip of Patrick. My love. Um. My love. Wait, what was that from? Was that from Brad? The deke dub. Oh yeah. I thought it was from Bratz. No. No, that's. Hey. Yeah. Yeah. The, um, the, the, the love ball. Yeah, you too. Was. Oh yeah.

[00:48:20] Yeah. The one that's like two feet away from her. Well then she like trips and just goes, I guess it's good. It's gone. And even though we put it back on her foot. Uh, but the, uh, the, the love ball is. Love Bratz. It's for catching Pokemon. They're of the opposite gender of your main character. Oh. Um. Um. What is that? What is that? What is that implying? Is that implying? No, no. Don't think about it. I love the Pokemon. Don't think about it weirdly.

[00:48:50] Um. But Bill. Ash. He's part Pokemon. Oh fuck this shit. Go back to fanfiction.net. His mom. Fuck the Pokemon. Mr. Mime. That's his father. That's why he doesn't age. And that's why they have love. She used the love ball. She used the love ball. Is there Mrs. Mr. Mimes? Or is Mr. Mime just an only male Pokemon? Or is there Lady Mr. Mimes?

[00:49:20] I don't actually know. I'm gonna Google it. Is there Lady Mr. Mimes? You're gonna see some very unfortunate fan art. Yes. It's a 50-50 ratio. What happened to Mrs. Mime? Ms. Mime? Uh. Okay. I need to know. So what's funny is Mr. Mime can be 50-50, but Jinx is like exclusively female.

[00:49:50] Interesting. Um. I don't know why that's. Oh. Is Mr. Mime Ash's dad? Oh, why? Why? Is it? Is it? What the fuck is wrong with the internet? Well, actually, don't answer that. Because I know. Mr. Mime is Ash's real. Look, this article from The Gamer. What a legitimate article. Mr. Mime is Ash's real dad and you can't convince us otherwise. Alex, don't. I agree. Don't self-promote your article you wrote. No.

[00:50:20] I didn't write this. No, this was wrote by Josh Colson in April 3rd. Don't out the poor guy. He wrote it. He published it. It's easily accessible. Ah! What did you do? In it. But I did. It scared the shit out of me. Good. Serves you right. Well, maybe. Okay. Maybe if I click back, it'll be fine.

[00:50:50] Uh, let's see. One of Pokemon anime's greatest mysteries is Ash Ketchum's father. More than 20 years. Why is this an ongoing segment? I think... Bill! What? Oh my God. This picture is so telling. This picture is so telling. Am I gonna hate this? This is a real screenshot.

[00:51:19] Why is he grabbing her leg like that? That is definitely a married couple. That's a family portrait. I hate this. And Pikachu's like his son. Like his... That's their grandson. Adopted. Because... Well, actually no. It's his brother. That's... That's their adopted brother. This was... This was the game that also introduced this... One of my favorite like...

[00:51:48] Why are you... Why are you changing the subject? Because I'm done with that. Bill! You need to just agree with me. Just agree. One time. And I'll let it go. That... There is a chance... No! That Mr. Mime could... Anime, Alex. Jesus Christ. Exactly! It's a fucking anime! It makes sense! I don't want to hear... It makes sense! ...about... Your weird fan theory, okay? Mr. Mime... It's not just me.

[00:52:17] It's many people. Why is he grabbing her leg like that? That's all I'm saying. He's feeling up his mom! So this is... This is also the game that introduced like some like... Interesting like... Distraction Pokemon. Like one of my favorites is like... Pseudowoodo. Who's like... This tree that you can't cut down. And it's like... How do we get past? And you have to spray it with a water bottle. Because it's a rock type. Um...

[00:52:47] Also, um... This is the game that famously had like Lance with his three fucking dragonites. Dragonite! Dragonite! Dragonite! Dragonite! Lance gets his cock sucked once per dragonite! Screaming! I love that video so much. Charizard! Not a dragon type! Mr. Mime... Not a dragon type! Dratini and Dragonite!

[00:53:17] Not fully realized dragons! Salamence! Salamence! Get that shit! I'm ignoring you! Get that shit out of here! Um... I'm leaving! Where are you? Megan! I'm leaving! Stop it. I'm leaving! Well... I guess that she's reached the end of this episode. No!

[00:53:46] I just need you to agree once with my theory. I'm not... You're not joining your weird fan theory. You can... It's not a weird theory! It makes sense! There's... Every... Every Pokemon fan theory is weird. Let's be real here. Um... There is a lot of fan fiction people write. Yes, they do. I have never read a Pokemon fan fiction, and I never will. Because I'm scared to see what they write.

[00:54:13] You don't want to hear about that hot, real lord, skitty action? No! No! No, I don't want to hear about that! But they can read, Alex. That's a possibility at the Pokemon daycare. I am! I'm dying. Well, that's how Ash was born. Poor Ditto. Just eternally at the fucking daycare. Yeah. I think in my... One of my games... That's why they gave him his own little Pokepedia game. Yeah.

[00:54:43] I still like... Every time I always laugh, like the... I go into like one of my old games, I visit the daycare, and it's like, your Ditto's still here. It's leveled up to 99. Would you please pick it up? Nah. I mean, it's good. He's gotta live there. He's happy. I need more Pokemon eggs. He's happy there. Yeah, that's one way to describe it. Happy. What'd you think of Baloo becoming the new gym leader? I'm blue. Da boo dee da boo da.

[00:55:13] Da boo dee da boo da. It's great. He just kind of like shows up and he's like, I'm the gym leader now. And it's like, cool. Cool. Have you heard about Mr. Mime? No. Have I heard about our Lord and Savior? It's like... Arceus. No, Mr. Mime. There's gotta be a cult that worships like a different Pokemon. Like just a weird one, like Mr. Mime, to be different.

[00:55:42] Do you think there's cults in Pokemon? In the Pokemon universe? Yeah. Like they're legit. I'm pretty sure there legitimately is cults in the Pokemon universe, Alex. Team Rocket? Like Team Rocket's not a cult. I'm trying to think. Like, is there like cults? Team Yell. That's not a cult. That's just... Those are just fanboys. That's a cult.

[00:56:08] That's just a brother who really likes his sister too much. Anime. Anime. Mr. Mime. Ash's father. You can't change my mind. Anything else from... I'm trying to think. Um... How many Worms and Darius were in HeartGold and SoulSilver? All of them. Up to that point. How many? How many is that?

[00:56:38] Uh, well it was... So you got... Mewtwo, the three birds, the three dogs, Serebii. I think the, uh, you can find the Gen 4 Pokemon. I think you can find the ones from Gen 3. You can pretty much find them all. So it's like... How many... So who would you say would be the one you would use the Master Ball on? One of the roamers. One of the roamers. Yeah, just to get it out of the way.

[00:57:08] Cause fuck that. I hate the roaming Pokemon so much. Which ones are the required catches? They don't even have to. I don't even think there was a thing at this point. To be honest. Oh really? Yeah. I don't think you have to catch them. You're like, alright, bye, fuck off. Yeah. Yeah, cause they're the, uh, there's the Ho-Oh, or the, uh, Lugia scene. But you don't have to catch either. So it's kinda like... Is there a chance to catch them though, if you don't? At that moment? I think they roam. Wow.

[00:57:37] I'm pretty sure they start roaming after. Um... Maybe. I don't, I don't actually remember. To be honest. Cause I usually just... Either catch them or I just hack in a bunch of Master Balls. What? This is my impression of a blobfish. Oh, also you... You get to cuck Misty during that one date. The one time. Cause she's on a date and you're like... Oh yeah! I want a gym battle! And she's like, fine. Oh yeah, cause she's like grown up. It's like her redesign.

[00:58:08] In this game. All the redesigns are in this game. Like, um... Serena has a particularly noticeable one too. The ghost gym leader. Or no, the psychic gym leader. In that one time. Also, this was the game that officially ended, um... The, uh... The gym. The grass gym in Kento. The guy that creeps outside. This was the game that ended the famous... I love this gym. It's full of women. The line. It was replaced with, um... I love this gym.

[00:58:37] It's full of powerful trainers. I'm like, oh... As they should. That original line is funny though. Meh. Um... Also, we get to talk about the soundtrack in this game. There's some iconic tracks throughout this game. But especially the... Under the sea. The gym leader. Well, the, uh... The champion slash red battle music. Which is just iconic. And it's like the perfect way to end the game. Cause you climb up there on his mountain.

[00:59:07] And you kick his ass. And then he just leaves. He goes away. He's like, I'm done. See ya. I'll see you in black and white too. I'll see you in hell. Or, uh... Aloha. Cause he appears in Aloha. Oh yeah! I forgot about that. Him and Blue were just chilling there. Um... Yeah. I really like HeartGold SoulSilver. It's probably my favorite. Like it's... It's got the best setup. I'd say. Cause there's just something fun about finishing the game.

[00:59:34] And then immediately getting to play another game's worth of game after. But like with like your OP team. Or you can make a new team. Some people do that. Um... Cause you want to catch your Kanto Pokemon. Um... I always remember too. Cause I always give them stupid names. When I play. Your Pokemon stupid names? Oh yeah. Like I always do some... I think like the... My current playthrough of this game. I gave them... I named them all after bands. Like I like. None. Who'd you name it after? I don't remember.

[01:00:04] I'd have to look. I'd have to look. I know AFI is one of them. Um... Go with Fire and Tad. Go! Blah! Do you remember that video? I'm trying to think. What would be like a ridiculous name? Like after a band? Uh... Uh... I don't know. Like... Go Korn. Go Korn!

[01:00:34] Blah! Go Butthole Surfers! Um... That one just came to mind. I mean there's probably some like Norwegian death metal bands that are like yeah that's a name right there. Black metal I should say. Yeah. I'm doing something evil right now. What are you doing? What evil are you... dropping on us? You'll see in a second.

[01:01:04] Am I going to be upset? Jesus Christ. Sorry. Enjoy this clip.

[01:01:33] It's a line comparison of the new voice actors in Persona 4. Oh! But the... Are people mad? Oh yeah cause they... They sound different enough to be annoying. Um... But uh... There's a line that Chie gives which is hilarious cause it sounds like something you would do. The bleh. Bleh. Did you like my art though? No. Wait. Wait. Okay. I'll fix it. No. I'm not doing that. Um... I guess that's about it though.

[01:02:03] HeartGold Souls over. Probably best remakes. I'd say. One of the best Pokemon games of all time. Probably second favorite behind... Well third favorite for me behind Emerald Black and White in the... this game. I'd say this one's definitely in my top. But Black and White will always be at the top for me. Yeah. Black and White has the best story. I will say this game has probably the second best story from the older ones. But um... Yeah. So HeartGold, SoulSilver.

[01:02:33] Great games. Expensive as fuck though. So good luck finding them. Yeah. Emulate that shit. Yeah. Just... That's the way to go. You know? Or wait for the new remake on the Switch. Cause you never know. The second remake. They're... Well... How many times have they remade Ocarina of Time and they're remaking it again? Once. Oh. This is only the second time. Unless you count Twilight Princess as a remake. There you go. See? Anything can happen. Anything can happen.

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