G&C Podcast - Episode 224: Collecting Stories And Experiences #5: Still Loading Edition! (ft. Josh Covel)

[00:00:00] Hey everybody! On this episode of Gaming and Collecting, I'm flying solo once again for another episode of Collecting Stories and Experiences, this time joined by Josh from Still Loading Podcast, as we go over some crazy stories from the world of video game collecting. But anyways guys, on with the episode.

[00:00:37] So, hey everybody, welcome to Gaming and Collecting. Unfortunately no Alex this week, she's going through a bit of a rough spot right now, but um... Krobus Mix Alex. That's her boy. Krobus Sad. But in the meantime, we have a returning guest to the show. We have Josh from Still Loading. How you doing Josh? I'm just gonna ignore Krobus over here. This man just weeping in the corner.

[00:01:07] That is my favorite... Krobus is so sad! That is, to this day, one of my favorite quotes from this entire show. It's where we bring up Krobus and you're like, I hate that guy's out there. And she's just like, Don't miss my boy Krobus! That episode is still one of my favorite things I've ever recorded. Oh, Krobus. Oh, Krobus. Oh, Krobus. Then I'm... Yes, it is me, Josh from the Still Loading Podcast. Thanks for having me on again, Bill. Sorry. No worries.

[00:01:36] I derailed it immediately. I'm filling in Alex's chaotic energy today. No worries at all. It's been a bit since you were last on. I think the last episode was... See, I was joking. I have a list of my first 200 episodes on the wall here. It might have been the Stardew one. No, I did a recap of Retroworld Expo. The Retroworld episode. That was... Almost two years ago.

[00:02:03] Yeah, damn. Episode 138. And this is 224. Well, if I get a panel at Retroworld, you'll be seeing my face again in person. And we'll have to... If that happens, we'll have to see if we can do another recording in person. Because like, when else are we going to get to do that, right? Yeah. And I have a basement now. So it's like a perfect place to do it. Yeah, but not in a hotel room. Yeah. Hey, Bill, we've met for the first time. Come into my hotel room, young sir.

[00:02:33] I think the crazy revolving door was my favorite part. An automated revolving door was a choice for that hotel. Yeah. But anyway, I'm happy to be back. Happy to be back on Gaming Collecting. It's been a while. It has. No, it's... It's been good. It's good to have you on. Because we've done, honestly, a few... I think I've been on your show more in the last year than... I think I've at least been like three times now that I think about it.

[00:03:02] Yeah. This episode... There's an episode coming out, because I believe this will be coming out before that episode. You'll be on an episode on the original Infamous game that is coming out in a couple weeks. You were on Super... Not Superstar Saga. Sorry. Mario & Luigi Partners in Time. Mario & Luigi Partners in Time. Earlier this year for Mario Month. Were you on before that? I don't think you were on. The DS episode.

[00:03:31] That was in November. But yes, that is still kind of within a calendar year, essentially. Of... Of that. Yeah. You were on the DS episode back in November. So yeah, that is kind of crazy now that I think about it. I'll have to see if there's any others from that. Oh, you were on the 10th anniversary episode as well. Like for a little 10 minute shtick. 10 minutes segment. And I think that might have been it from 2024. I think.

[00:03:59] But still, that's like four appearances in less than a calendar year. That's pretty good. That's crazy. Because I don't even realize it at the time. Because I mean, I've been trying to get you back on GNC. We've just kind of been through a spell of like episodes where we haven't really been doing guests. For the most part. But I've been wanting to do another collecting store. So I figured. Now was the time. Because I was sitting. I think this week. I just kind of like. It kind of hit me. I'm like, I haven't done one of those in forever. I should ask Josh. See if he's down.

[00:04:29] And I'm always down. I'm not as much of a collector as I used to be in the sense that I don't actively go out hunting very much at all. But mainly just due to budget stuff. And also a little bit of space, but more budget than anything. And because of that, I don't really. I haven't had any fun stories recently. But I do have some collecting stories of finds and stuff like that and whatnot. Hmm.

[00:05:00] Because it's actually kind of funny because I have also slowed down significantly in the last couple of years. Ironically, both of us are in the same boat. We both bought houses. So it kind of puts a hold on collecting like that, even though I'm still a crazy kleptomaniac when it comes to this stuff. For me, it was mainly just having a kid who was like, I just can't. I genuinely should not spend money on some of this stuff. But I like this year alone. I've actually bought. I actually like. It's always weird.

[00:05:29] Like I say, I'm going to cut down on collecting and I do like I'm not going out like searching for stuff nearly as much as I used to. But like I got a PS5 last year and I got a handful of games for Christmas for it. But like this year, I've already gotten like one, two, three, maybe four games for the PS5 this year, which considering that they're kind of pricey. Like that's yeah. Yeah.

[00:05:56] Like that's I mean, that's not like, you know, I'm going out every weekend and hunting and whatnot. But I, you know, I still buy games and I still buy some retro games. I have I'll save it for when we get to some of the stories. But I have two mystery NES cartridges that I can talk about that I recently picked up. So, yeah.

[00:06:17] So it's it's interesting because like speaking of like game prices and stuff like obviously, like we just had the switch to announcement and all the the amazing thing about that press conference was it went from people being really happy to really mad really fast. Very fast. Yeah, I was like, geez. But yeah, when I saw pricing for games, we're looking at 70 to 80 dollars. I've been like kind of contemplating.

[00:06:40] I'm like, you know, if I'm going to be paying almost 100 dollars per game, I might as well collect retro games because I just have more fun doing that anyways. These days. Exactly. I don't have necessarily an issue with the upping of the price. Like if you think about it, like games up until the last like two years stayed at 60 dollars for like 15 to 20 years. Right. Like new games were consistent at 60 dollars. That's insane.

[00:07:10] I can't think of anything that has stayed consistent at pricing for like over a decade like that that level of consistency like gas prices for the most part of actually like like if you go back to like to like the mid 2000s, people are complaining about gas prices. Justifiably so they were like three bucks a gallon, but now they're still kind of like three bucks a gallon depending on where you live. Obviously, like, yeah, some states are five. Some states are less. But anyway, I don't I don't have as much of an issue with the price. The price changes.

[00:07:40] I have more of an issue with what they were charging for Mario Kart Mario Kart World where I'm like, it's 90 dollars 90. You better fucking give me like a shitload of content for that. Like you better give me Mario Kart 8 and more. Right.

[00:07:57] Like you, you cannot sell me something for 90 dollars and and just it and the game doesn't look half assed like it looks like a really like robust game that they really went all out on. But it almost seems to me like they're going back to like premium pricing kind of like how like on the Super Nintendo, we like, you know, kind of look behind me the two posters. You have Secret of Mana and Chrono Trigger.

[00:08:32] So I'm wondering if they're kind of going back to that in a in a weird way. but i don't know if that's smart or if that's good i'm not a fan of it but also it doesn't help not i we won't get political but like the tariffs like that like with the fluctuation of like will they won't they type of thing that's also caused a lot of issues so yeah like for me the biggest thing is like when i see like 90 it's like we're that close to 100 and like it's just something

[00:08:59] about that triple digit number that kind of like it just it puts me off to like buying new games i think 70 is a fair price like genuinely i do think 70 is even like 80 for like a premium game right i think that's even fair like if mario kart world was 80 i think i'd be more forgiving of it maybe i'm only saying that because like i know the price is 90 so like oh 80 is not bad but

[00:09:27] because you know i'm comparing it to 90 but if i'm comparing it to 70 would i still have that same opinion i don't know but 70 i think is fair because like one of the reasons one of the bane of a lot of gamers existence for the like gamers like us who are into like either single player experiences or like the really kind of like the core gaming audience as it were i don't want to call it like hardcore gamers because like that has a negative connotation at times or it can be gatekeepy

[00:09:54] that um but games like like i was showing you off mike i just got the indiana jones game or like astrobot or ratchet and clank you know stuff that like game the capital g gamer and i don't mean that as like an elitist type of thing but like people who are really into the to the medium would play um like the the bane of our existence was microtransactions and one of the reasons we had

[00:10:20] so many microtransactions and dlc and all this other stuff was because they companies were hemorrhaging money trying to make bigger and bigger and bigger bigger bigger bigger bigger games and keeping the price at 60 because the price stayed at 60 it caused it basically did what you saw with marvel movies where they had to be these giant experiences in order to not only break even but they had to make it so like

[00:10:46] if this is your one game this year you're going to get all the content with it and we need to make sure we sell a fuck ton yeah by upping the price i'm hoping that you're going to get more mid-level like double a style games like um like i even think like square enix did a really good job during the switch era with like you know having smaller budget games you know octopath traveler triangle

[00:11:11] strategy uh harvest stella which i believe they published they didn't develop yeah but stuff like that like well like mid-tier things that like god have a that sold well got a decent following um have some semblance of like notoriety just for being square enix adjacent and it didn't break the bank doing it that's what i would love to see more game studios do like and you know uh for all intents and purposes maybe that that uh new game that a lot of people are talking about claire obscura it's an indie

[00:11:40] game apparently maybe that's going to be something like that yeah it's it's going to be a like kind of like i'm going to be watching it i think this is going to be probably the first console that i don't buy day one i definitely not buying it day one but that's not because of like it's a it's a like i don't think the price is like completely outlandish considering the switch was 300 at launch this is a more powerful system by a significant amount and you're dealing with tariffs and inflation like

[00:12:09] i think one factor that no one's that none of people are talking about right now is how much inflation has fucked over the consumer right now like inflation is really and listen i'm not here to like point figures i don't know thing one how the economy works or why shit why our dollar continues to get inflated stop pumping air into it you goddamn asshole but no um so it just i i think that this is a real

[00:12:38] like landmark landmark it's kind of like a watershed moment right where it's like this is really showing like okay we're here now this is where the medium's at in terms of pricing because of all these extenuating factors uh these extra factors so either we have to like find a way for us to make more money or the companies have to find a way to bring costs down so that way they can lower the prices again

[00:13:02] yeah it's it's going to be very touch and go going forward but that's still it's still a little ways out so we'll have to wait and see on it but in the meantime i'm enjoying my retro gaming um and to kind of like transition over to like the collecting talk i do want to bring this up because it's really funny but it's kind of like an opening like little thing i want to showcase my newest uh

[00:13:29] pickup because i saw it at the retro store and i thought it was hilarious and stupid which is basically how i collect nowadays because i've run out there's no better way to collect because they're generally only five to ten dollars anyway well this wasn't but there's a reason why it wasn't um so i walk into the my local retro store and i see this garish pink box up on the counter nice

[00:13:54] ten dollar worth there garish yeah and i just look at nice i'm like i know exactly what system that's for three and i'm like it's probably crap but i have to buy it because i just think that's my thing now i bought this hey it's a yes a bird's life

[00:14:18] it's um shelly deval it's a bird's life it is an educational learning game for the 3do it was 55 dollars have you tried it yet i have not i'm waiting for the uh the eventual episode uh because i bought this specifically for the 3do experience and because i'm like i'm gonna get thrack to play this dude if you do you do you have a patreon for this for all this stuff i do not currently oh the only

[00:14:46] reason i was gonna ask like if you if you start like putting some money in on this you could use it as a write-off i'm just saying yeah um it was just one of those funny things though where i walked into the store and i'm like can i look at that like i just pointed to it and the guy just kind of gives me this look like he's like sure he hands it to me and he's like i'm like okay i'll take it he just looks at me he's like are you sure sir i'm just like you wouldn't understand it's a 3do thing

[00:15:15] it's a 3do thing that should be a t-shirt for the podcast it's a 3do thing and then on it is just like the most grotesque like still frame image from one of the zelda games right just like the king like turning into a pair of lips or whatever the fuck or uh or did i say cdi but 3do no no you said 3do oh okay oh no but i was thinking cdi i'm sorry no no you said 3do i forgot those are on

[00:15:41] the cdi not the 3do i was gonna say because if i'd say something like either like a close-up of like gex's face or um a still from plumbers don't wear ties it's a 3d dude imagine if it was like because i haven't seen i've never even seen plumbers don't wear ties i've never like watched a single like clip of it but if there's like a shot of like because i know the the front

[00:16:06] cover is like a dude like a muscly dude with no shirt on with a tie on right if you could get like a dude like posing like sexually like no shirt on maybe like tight jeans and you just say it's a 3do thing over top of it i would i would buy one i'm just saying something to think about if i ever

[00:16:35] white logo here it made me go the second you walk in a store i just go i know what i'm buying well i can actually tangent or like transition this into a small collecting story if you if you don't mind because edutainment brought it in and i actually have the game with uh in front of me norm a lot of my game collection is actually up in the attic right now because i don't have space in the current it's a whole thing but in any case uh i went to a thrift store years ago and this rant

[00:17:05] this thrift store periodically i find just the most random stuff there i found a complete in the box copy of mist like big pc box big box pc for mist i also found a copy of crash team racing that was mixed in with the music cds silly pro tip all you game hunters out there check the music cds because at thrift stores because a lot of them they don't realize that they're it's not a music cd um anyway

[00:17:32] so what i found was pep's uh pep's birthday surprise i actually had a collector reach out to me on instagram saying like hey i'm a huge uh humongous games fan right you know the developer of these games uh and i'm trying i like i have a bunch of these but i don't have this one in the big box and

[00:17:57] everything uh i don't know if it's complete or not but like i it was a humongous games thing and like it's and it's the big box like i don't know when i'm gonna find something like this again let me actually see what do i have in here i'll see what what the options are they i do have the disc i do have

[00:18:18] the disc and it has like a little advertisement for you know other atari stuff for backyard baseball wow this has a it's for playstation 2 so this must have been a like a either a reprint of it or it was a late game i don't know when this game was released that's this is my uh humongous knowledge that's actually the final putt putt game okay wow well i found a good it's like this is in good condition

[00:18:48] um and then obviously the little installation thing nice that's the early the early childhood rating is like one of those things that you see it and you're just like oh it's the thing at one point there we go dude i think like i i love edutainment stuff um whether it's television or uh games like i have i actually have a bunch of physical copies of like living books discs and stuff like that

[00:19:16] um or like disney interactive storybooks or whatnot um that i i just find at thrift stores right i found them all at thrift stores they don't really work on modern computers because you know the operating systems but you can um buy new versions of it in fact like on steam you can get like uh arthur's birthday and stuff like that oh what is fun fact from my original childhood pc i still have my binder

[00:19:45] of discs oh yeah and i believe actually the first uh game in here is uh arthur's teacher trouble wow that that's the first living books thing too i just always laugh because i i see that there and i'm like i look through here and it's a whole bunch of like random edutainment and a copy of mist because mist came with everything um back in the day but um oh and the free trial of mavis beacon

[00:20:14] teaches typing mavis beacon or or as my wife calls it mavis bacon never helped me get better at typing that's for sure they the the person who like uh the company that like ported this over to like you can get all actually a lot of it so the jordan freeman group is a group of like they have a platform called zoom platform it's not zoom as in like the you know the web uh meet inner you know like the meeting

[00:20:42] thing that you know you know what i'm talking about it's not the zoom in is in the the conference call that's the word i couldn't fucking think of god damn it and like the conference call type of thing but it's it's a it's a online web store you can create an account and there's no app or anything but it keeps track of your purchases just like steam does and you can download and whatnot um they uh they have a whole bunch of different games that they ended up publishing this team you can get like the living

[00:21:10] books versions of berenstein bears uh arthur games uh stella luna i remember that was a big one um and they've ported a bunch of other games to pc like really like if you want weird ass pc games check out the zoom platform like there's a lot of like weird obscure stuff from like the 90s that you're like like what the fuck is this that i've never even heard of but like there's just they're all over the

[00:21:36] place nice so yeah check out zoom platform.com there's some cool stuff on there so i guess uh to start off i have a uh for anyone who hasn't seen uh one of these um in the previous episodes i have a set of questions that um i'll go through um they'll probably kind of a change from here to there because i think some of them are actually kind of redundant now that i read some but um the first

[00:22:02] question i always like to ask is just like how did you get into collecting like like what year and like what was kind of like the catalyst of it um year i don't really remember um but i can tell you a little bit of the catalyst of it um one what there's two there's two parts to this one was i used to work at a library i was uh my title was page which is kind of a silly title but essentially

[00:22:27] my job was i would check in books um no i wouldn't really interact with like patrons but i would like if they dropped off books in the slot or like the bins or whatever i would check them in organize them and then take them out on carts and like shelve them to where the proper things right um and that was my job for i worked there for like four years and really love that place i have a lot of good memories of that place a lot of good people uh and even though i didn't read all that much

[00:22:55] still don't read as much as i probably should it did give me a love for like what the library stands for and like the community aspect around so i love that place they had to use book sale usually twice a month and i remember like periodically we would have to bring the donations for the used book sale back to the to the used book sale room and that that i mean the used book sale room is just

[00:23:21] a mess like it's not organized in the slides no one gives a fuck about it i found there two old school games i think i got a copy of tech mobile on the nes and i got a box copy of the original sonic the hedgehog no manual but it was just it was the box and the cart um and it was not for resale it even had a not for resale thing on it and i think i spent a dollar on both of them total like a dollar

[00:23:50] between both of them so it was like 50 cents each uh now i remember getting i'm like why i like games i like sonic sure i didn't i didn't even have a genesis at the time i just bought it because it was a dollar i'm like fuck it so that was like one of my first like collecting purchase but before i really realized i was into collecting games the second thing which i think a lot of people could

[00:24:12] even uh relate to is avgn i was really big into avgn in the late aughts in the early 2010s right um i in fact i remember the year like january 1st 2010 he released a video on street fighter 2010 and i remember that video video vividly because that was like the height of my avgn fandom

[00:24:36] but avgn for everything that like i you know i'm not too big on his stuff now it's not even anything personal like i don't have anything against the guy it's just you know i i've changed like my sense of humor has changed i'm not going to say it's matured or gotten like more erudite or better it's just you know the same things that made me laugh back then just don't make me laugh now but what i

[00:25:00] loved about avgn especially early avgn was that it was part mostly it was all mostly comedy obviously but also it was a little informative like i think there was a bizarre amount of like like learning about game history from his old stuff that like now it doesn't feel like that anymore because there's so many people in the space that like talking about game history whether it's the

[00:25:25] gaming historian whether it's what the video game history foundation does whether it's um uh hell even brutal moves even though he doesn't really do uh like game stuff as much anymore but he did a lot of pc stuff you know um scott was is a big scott the was is a really good one i love scott the was um before he was disgraced the completionist um before all that stuff happened nitro rad is another big one that

[00:25:52] i watch nowadays i never even heard of nitro rad but like like even if i like even if i go down my subscriptions on youtube right um you have uh my life in gaming uh rewind arcade uh gaming historian like i already mentioned game grumps even to an extent even though it was it's mostly comedy aaron does know his shit and he's he's a very smart individual so uh stop skeletons

[00:26:18] from fighting that's another one i love derrick lazy game reviews is another lazy game reviews yep um adam koralik uh min max uh this is all modern so i'm gonna talk about people who have been here for a while i'm just saying in general i mean heck uh retro wear uh pat the nes punk um how could i forget i i i like pat's stuff um you ever see the video game years oh yeah i love the video game

[00:26:45] years i still think they're fantastic i still think there's a i i would love to see them come back but pat has said numerous times he doesn't think there's like really a interest for it because the what it's parodying you know the i love the 80s i love the 70s i love the 60s shows no one knows about those anymore but i i think the those that series is such a really good concise way to show

[00:27:12] an evolution of game like game culture i mean yeah it's through the american perspective but i like that whatever you know that's that is what it is um for me like the big og that really got me into it was um classic game room yeah the chris from retro hangover talks about them a lot too i never watched classic game room i never even heard of them but the the thing is like avgn the point i think i'm

[00:27:41] trying to make is that avgn back in like the late aughts and early 2010s he wasn't the only game in town he wasn't like the only like retro gaming youtuber in town but he was the retro gaming youtuber in town he was the one that kick-started the whole angry reviewer fad and but he was also like the only one that i think really did it well because you could tell it was yeah he was playing a character same with nostalgia critic he did it well too though i know nostalgia critic has had issues

[00:28:07] since then with like a company and like just not treating employees well but that's i don't know and i don't know how much of that has been changed since then but i don't think it was ever doug i think it was more the people doug had around him that's what it seemed like too but like i don't know so but i in any case um so yeah that that's how like to bring it back to your question that's how i kind of got into it was um avgn kind of showed me how much i actually like video games like that was the

[00:28:36] spark like i think my love of games has always been there like from the get-go i remember like getting an n64 for like when i was 10 years old for christmas that was my first game console and i ignored my neighbors for the next six years because i was just like this is like video games like i just loved them so much and i don't think i realized how much i loved them um until uh when i was in college like

[00:29:03] because in like when i was in high school it's i didn't play them as much as i used to and i don't think it was like to be cool or anything i i didn't stop them you know some people get out of quote-unquote geeky things because they you know they want to quit the joke is always like well i wanted to get laid so i stopped reading comics i'm like no it wasn't anything like that one i wasn't getting laid anyway but two um i you know i just it it didn't that i just kind of i ended up socializing

[00:29:31] more i became more i i suddenly broke out of my shell and i became a social butterfly during my senior college and that's kind of like where that all came to be and but then abgn came around and it kind of reignited my like when i started learning about the history of games through him whether it's like the weird any like i remember the nes controller accessory video the nes accessory video and you

[00:29:56] learn about like the rock and roller i'm like oh shit there was motion controls like i'm not good but like they were motion controls like attempts at motion controls or like learning about like the sega channel and being like what there was you could go online on the sega genesis and that's not even the first console to actually do that you the atari had like an online service i think it was it wasn't it might have been called i don't think it was online if it was something else um but you could connect

[00:30:24] your atari to like your phone line and download games to it like this is like in the 80s and shit like it's wild like that shit existed and so abgn sparked that and then from there i wanted to experience these games and i didn't have a wii at the time um and i didn't understand like i tried emulators and i hated emulators like i don't have any issue like this is not an anti-emulation thing

[00:30:53] i'm all for it uh because you know fuck the corporations and all that shit but like also they're the only ones actually preserving games because corporations sure as shit ain't doing it um in any case that's that's a that is a whole nother discussion i'll spare you that that that that's a whole nother discussion we could have but uh i it was honestly the input delay it was hard for me to play the games that i wanted to play because you know if you hit jump on the keyboard

[00:31:21] it just didn't doesn't feel the same as holding a controller in your hand and i didn't have a way to hook up a controller to my pc at the time i didn't understand all that i had to buy a spot like i remember at one point in time you could do with a 360 controller but you had to buy a special cord to do it and yeah and even then if you bought the special cord like you had to map it and hope that the emulator supported it now it's all built in now it's like i can plug in my ps4 controller

[00:31:49] and almost every emulator that's out now you can just map it to whatever you want map the buttons to what you need to be but back then i couldn't do it i actually bought one of these specifically for it just an old wired xbox 360 controller because these are hard to find now yeah oh yeah you had to buy a wired one see i had a usb thing too it was a for a battery charger though like you could connect it to the you could charge the battery through it and that that didn't work it had to be

[00:32:18] wired and i didn't have a wired 360 controller so i didn't really have any way to play it on like on emulation so i was like well i i like the like how these cartridges look like it's it's aesthetically pleasing to me why don't i start collecting and that's when it just kind of spiraled out of control from there i i just started collecting and i never really looked back

[00:32:43] and now i have well over a thousand games in my collection which that's nothing compared to you and to a lot of other people i think i'm probably closer to 1500 now if i actually had to count them all but i i haven't done a running tally in so long so i don't really know i i think when i eventually fully set up my office because you mentioned before we both moved somewhat recently only reason this office

[00:33:09] isn't set up is uh my wife and i eventually want to have another kid and i don't want to set this whole thing up and then have to tear it down to make room for for junior or the kid or whatever uh so i like i i and then when i do that i have to renovate the attic and they're like put drywall in and insulation and find an ac unit and all this other shit so i don't want to deal with any of that shit so

[00:33:33] uh yeah and right now a lot of the stuff is upstairs because because of that so yeah um yeah for me it was kind of like uh i had said like classic game room was like the big catalyst for me the the the absolute like um thing that really did it was 2009 um i've said it in the past but i got i uh discovered the sega dreamcast which is interesting because i was technically alive when it came out but i was too

[00:34:01] young to really remember it so when i rediscovered like the when i rediscovered that sega made consoles because i lived in that like bubble that i didn't realize sega made consoles for a long time um i found the dreamcast and something about the dreamcast has always been like it's like that little console that despite being a colossal failure i don't think anybody says anything bad about it like it is like

[00:34:26] it's probably the most beloved film console there is yeah and even then it's not like it's crazy that it sold well during when it first came out like the first like week or month or whatever it was like gangbusters like sega was like we're we're back baby we got it then the ps2 happened and then it just kind of went from there but that's not even the ps2 the hype for the ps2 the hype for the ps2 killed it

[00:34:52] yeah it's it's it just came out at the wrong time that's all it really was if it would have come out like a year prior it probably would have been fine but your prior sega also sega was so in the toilet by then too it was it was going to be a take a miracle and save them yeah i mean you you i think was it i don't know if you were on the episode for it did you hear about how sega survived all that you you might know it actually knowing how much you know about game history in general i know a good

[00:35:18] amount of it i know it sega was in a really tough spot there for a while i'd have to double check exactly but because it's been a minute since i like i talked about on my show i don't even remember which episode but sega was in debt to a lot of different places and one of the people they were in debt to died and in his will he basically like loaned them the money they needed to uh stay afloat

[00:35:45] and then just forgave it like didn't he's like no that's basically just said like well i'll loan you this and then just you don't have to pay it back it's fine like so it was essentially a gift it was it's that's and that's how sega is still around today because one super rich japanese investor was like i believe in this company and that's why they're still around from there and he just forgave a huge ass loan and they're still around it's awesome it's crazy too because sega arguably

[00:36:13] out of all because we're in a point in time now where game companies are like all over the place like there's a lot that are really struggling like ubisoft enough said there um but then like you look at sega sega is like one of the healthiest game companies i think there is right now like they're killing it with their game releases like yakuza is like killing it sonic's actually good again i think they do a smart thing i think they do a smart thing where they have they diversified their

[00:36:39] portfolio and they also don't release like they take risks like look at like like listen i'm not necessarily a giant yakuza fan i know it's a really popular series they did a fucking pirate yakuza game right like that's the newest one that just came out right somewhat recently um like less than a year ago or so um i don't even know exactly when but like uh like that's a risk you you that's a swing and they knew they could take the swing because of the tone and the silliness that's already in the

[00:37:07] yakuza series so they're like fuck it why not and they try weird things and they're not afraid to try things and i think that's i'm not saying they're perfect of course but like you compare that to sony and microsoft and whatnot like you're not really like you know you don't see that as as much now sony and microsoft are kind of going through an identity crisis right now

[00:37:33] yeah yeah i mean hell i would even argue nintendo is right now too only because the for the longest time they're like we're not going to compete with the other two we're going to be nintendo and now with the switch to it feels like no we're going to compete with the other two now and it's like no like you've won because you've carved out a niche that is so different from the other triple a like like there's triple a studios and there's tendo who is triple a but

[00:38:02] they're nintendo like they're they're different they're weird they try weird things um and i i'm happy the switch isn't the switch to excuse me isn't some like radical overhaul or something completely different but like the old nintendo would not have chart would not be charging you for their fucking tech demo game yeah yeah like sony didn't even charge that for you with their ps5 and

[00:38:27] the ps4 was a huge success for them so like the ps4 was a huge success if anything they would have been a little bit hubristic or what if that's even a word had some hubris and then decided to but no they gave you astrobots astros playroom for free also also astros playroom is a game switch thing is a manual it's a glorified manual yeah that's what that's at least that's what it seems like based off what we've seen i it doesn't look like it like why would you make

[00:38:52] someone pay for a fucking manual like astros playroom is a full game it's an it's a manual disguised as a game uh this is a game disguised as a manual yeah um nintendo confused nintendo is such a weird company they're like constantly like they constantly are like stuck in 1995 but every now and then they'll have like this moment of brilliance like i i think it's really charming when like they can

[00:39:18] be so confident about announcing a basically they announced that they created discord being so confident about it and everyone being like yeah we've had that for years nintendo it's at least on the console now which is nice um but it's weird because then they'll do like things where they didn't have to do like they released that paul rudd commercial where they did it like almost shot for shot with the exact same costume and everything like it's shit like that i'm like

[00:39:46] you know your audience surprisingly well but you still do other shit that like doesn't make they there is such a weird they know their audience but they also simultaneously hate their audience at the same time with some of their decisions they make you know what i can't blame them because i've seen nintendo fans online and they're fucking crazy well yeah they're crazy yep um yeah anyways moving on

[00:40:12] so question number two is this one is um what's one of like the craziest like collecting like memory slash story you have like say for like for me like my example would usually be like when the vita went out of um was discontinued i went on a day-long road trip across massachusetts to every game i remember you tell i remember the story yeah to uh clear out their vita sections like something like that there's kind

[00:40:38] it's like absurd but like it's kind of memorable at the same okay so you're looking for absurd not necessarily like the best find i've had but just like the most ridiculous like in terms of just like the story behind it so i um i'm trying to think i went game hunting one time a yard sale game hunting like i'm not talking just going to retro stores i mean like i'm going i was driving around so i was yard sailing and i went with my buddy his name is also josh he's from a youtube channel called fire spin gaming

[00:41:07] um and they did he did a lot of like he would you know have like the he bought a pair of glasses that like a camera hidden in it so he could take like video whatnot and it would just be him filming him like film filming uh uh him finding stuff at yard sales right um and we went hunting one time together we he took me hunting he showed me kind of how he did it like we got up like i drove really fucking far

[00:41:32] away i woke up at like 5 a.m drove like an hour away because that's where he lived um and we went game hunting it was funny because we had met like one other time prior at like a swap meet uh and he had a booth there and it was funny because i recognized him from instagram like oh shit i you follow me on instagram he goes what uh or no he said he's like i listened to your podcast i'm like what that's great it was one of the first times someone like in the wild said i listened to

[00:42:01] your podcast it was cool so he um took me game hunting and i didn't find anything like crazy during the game hunt like i found some good stuff i got some wii motes i got like um some ps1 i think i got some of the twisted metal ps1 games but it was like loose like loose discs in like one of the sleeves type of thing but the i will never forget like we stopped up at the yard so i can still remember the layout of the yard and the road it was on where we went to a yard sale and he you know one of the

[00:42:31] chips tips and tricks for any game hunters out there just if you don't see any games just ask if they have any because sometimes people will forget like oh yeah i meant to bring those out here or whatnot or like oh i you know maybe i'd be willing to sell them type of thing and there's a woman who said she's like i do have some games but they're up in the attic i don't feel like getting them and

[00:42:52] it's like oh okay so he we leave and he were like 10 feet away from from the yard he looks at me he's like i'm gonna go around the block come back and offer her money to go up and look i'll offer her 40 bucks just to check for the for the games i'm like don't do that josh he's like no i'm gonna do it he fucking drove around went over he's like i'll give you 40 bucks if you just go up and check to

[00:43:21] see what you have and she said no she still said no and he's like i think he even upped it a little bit he might have started at 20 and went up to 40 or something like that and she's like no i really don't i really don't want to like that she really did not want to they must have been at a really like bad spot or something and uh we did not uh get anything out of that but i remember just like the passenger seat and he was in the driver's seat and they were on my side so i'm just the

[00:43:48] whole time i'm just slowly just kind of i'm not here sinking down like i'm not here i don't know him uh he was laughing the whole time afterwards he's like dude you just kept sinking into the seat further and further i'm like i was uncomfortable what do you want from me um so that that is like one of the most memorable moments of game hunting and trying to collect and whatnot that i've ever

[00:44:13] been a part of it was just that uncomfortableness of him my other friend josh uh offering some random person 40 just to search their attic for the games that they might have yeah like it's always funny like collecting like sometimes that like the inner crazy collector will just come out and you'll just do shit that like you just you wouldn't never do any other moment but then like

[00:44:37] sometimes it just like hits you like i've shared in the past but for me like i like chase down a guy for a copy of sui code in two um like chase down in what way what do you mean by that do you mean you beat the shit out of him or no no no not not like that like not so much chase down it was more um a casual i was walking past a booth at a flea market and i overheard the people behind the counter like um i overheard one of them mentioned like oh i got a copy of sui code in two in and i was like

[00:45:07] already kind of stepping away i legit did like an about face like ran to the booth like both hands on the glass and i just like looked him in the face and said how much and they were like so they they like were kind of freaked out to the point where they didn't know what to say so one of them just kind of goes uh 60 bucks and i'm like sold dude that's a great deal yeah no it was i robbed him blind like like not even crazily enough i got the game and i was like like into the night i bet you he

[00:45:36] probably looks it up now be like i sold sweetkin 2 for 60 dollars oh no the best part was i went back the next year and then bought a megaman legends 2 from him did he recognize you at all no it was kind of funny i was like i was like thinking like if he did i'd probably just be like yeah sales a sale i do have one other kind of mild story and i can use actually the the nes cartridges that i the that

[00:46:01] i hinted at before as an example of it it's not the best example but uh it's not as crazy as my friend josh trying to bribe a lady for go check for games but one of the things i actually used to do and you can actually go back to some of my oldest episodes of the podcast i'm not saying they're good i don't think they're good episodes but it was something i did where i would go to a local game store and i

[00:46:26] would give myself a budget of like 10 bucks and now i would probably do the same but with 20 because prices have increased but this was like a decade ago oh my god i mean i've been doing the fucking podcast for like a decade um and i would go to the store and look for the weirdest cover that i could possibly find title or cover and buy and if it was as long as the game was like under 10 i would try to

[00:46:54] see how much i could get for under 10 i remember buying a handful of games there is one for the super nintendo power pigs of the dark ages i was like what the fuck is this it's a weird cartoon style like the game's not awful it's it's better than you expect i also got a game where it's a pink panther game but i didn't know that because all i saw was pink goes to hollywood was the title of the was on the side label the end label um i also got awesome possum there before i knew what

[00:47:22] learned about awesome possum and how he was going to be a mascot for tendon and whatnot that's a that listeners if you want to look up a wild fucking story look up the story of awesome possum it's weird i think gaming historian did a good video on that i believe so yeah i believe so um i'm trying to think of another one i also did tin star and tough enough like two different games

[00:47:46] tin star and tough enough which tough enough is like a street fighter 2 clone but like the title is t-u-f-f-e apostrophe n-u-f-f tough enough i'm like what is this you and it's a it looks like a dude going super saiyan on the cover and it's like with short hair it's wild and so i would i would do like these like ten dollar like random game things and i would do i actually did a couple episodes on them i would

[00:48:14] like buy them and that was kind of the gimmick like i would go to the store bring it home play it and then record a podcast about it um and so i still think it's a fun idea and i think i could do it better now but it honestly would probably be for like patreon content like i now that my episodes are like an hour and a half to two hours long i don't think i could fill it an hour and a half to two hours on tin star or tough enough but i bring that up to say i did the same thing i had a

[00:48:44] weekend to myself for the first time in like over a year my wife and daughter went to the beach i had the whole house to myself so you know what i did went to my i i moved i looked at i looked up some new local retro game stores went there and i bought amagon oh i thought that is a that is a cover right there yeah i know it's hard to see on camera because my camera is not great but uh it is like

[00:49:11] you there's a dude who's got a like a like a m16 on the cover shooting it and then there's a buff version of him of that same dude in the and that the game is like try for my life in gaming told me about it and that's why i bought it and i looked at the cover and the cover did not disappoint this covers is wild um it's just it's so silly looking the other game i got i got mainly for the title

[00:49:36] but i actually really like unironically like this isn't me making fun of the cover art i think the cover art's really cool the moffat conspiracy oh nice which i didn't know until after i bought it is the sequel to galgo 13 oh okay then yeah it's the sequel to galgo 13 on the nes galgo 13 excuse me that's so hard for me to say i have not played any of them yet but i literally just saw the little end

[00:50:04] cap where it says the moffat conspiracy i'm like what the fuck does that mean what's a moffat i don't know and how can it conspire against anything what's a moffat conspiracy so i bought those two so i in terms of game hunting stories periodically i will just go into a store with a limit of like 10 20 bucks and that's that i'll just i'll i'll find whatever i can find for 10 20 bucks

[00:50:31] and i've got gems like power pigs of the dark ages and tough enough and tin star and now the moffat conspiracy and uh what else the amagon yeah so that actually makes me laugh because i was thinking about um i do this every now and then too i'll see a game cover that i'll like i'll be just i'll take one look at it and be like what the hell is that and i feel like i need to own it uh it reminded

[00:50:56] me of this one game i want to bring up because it has the most absurd cover i've ever seen for a video game and it i still have yet to play it but like i have to share this cover the game is called tunnel b1 okay and it is this that's one of them blowjob faces you hear so much about it is i don't even know what kind of game

[00:51:23] this is i saw it at a retro game store what are you talking about it's tunnel blowjob one b1 yeah his mouth is just waiting for you bill for for audio listeners it is literally a an extreme close-up of a guy's face with his mouth gaping open in an endless tunnel you didn't have to use the word gaping and the best part is it's published by a claim it's just like one of those things where

[00:51:50] it's like yes oh my god that is horrifying that is absolutely horrifying um yeah tunnel b1 though i found that i've yet to play it i really should because i need to like understand what the lore of this thing is i also got a game called circus caper on the nes just because it's got like a weird like dude in a mask and he's mustachioed swinging on a trapeze uh i i don't think i can i don't think

[00:52:19] i can top that that that face mouth that that's that's terrifying yeah like another one that's fun too was um so i had found one of my uh my favorite like dumb kind of like styles of games i like to collect is i really like to collect um obscure racing games and the one one that um i had um

[00:52:47] come across was this game called atv racer for the ps1 and when i picked it up i first thought like oh you know it must be like a racing game you like kind of like atv off-road fury well i pulled it out of the case and i saw the cover art and it was i was presented with this just like i was like oh that's not what i was expecting in the slightest for the listeners at home who aren't seeing the video

[00:53:15] version of this it is basically anthropomorphic like uh cat like almost like a lynx or like uh like a bobcat or it's not like a cheetah or a lion or anything like that it's very kind of like bobcat-ish uh riding driving an atv chased by i don't i can't tell from that it looks like a raccoon yeah i think with like

[00:53:41] fox ears though yeah uh literally when i pulled it out my first reaction was oh it's furry racer and i just kind of i i i put it back and then i pulled it back i was like i'm buying this i need it um that is like you talk about a zero to 100 moment you're like this is going to be a boring ass racing

[00:54:02] game excuse me so i have actually played that one it's not good it's not good at all but it was just one of those things where i was like this is a thing and i need it in my collection i love weird stuff like that man i love i mean uh it's why i have you know we were talking about entertainment earlier i have a copy of complete in box uh with a handful of games also complete in box of sega pika

[00:54:32] i have a sega pika complete in box and it's just like no one i mean now those things are crazy expensive oh yeah i bought that complete in box with like six games complete in box for 80 dollars which now i don't even like i've seen like the sonic the hedgehog game alone for that thing is like over 100 at least maybe 200 now i don't know what i don't know what the price is because i'm once

[00:54:58] again i'm kind of out of the loop on collecting um in terms of pricing but i remember like i was like man i want to get like the magic school bus game for that thing and i think that's still only 20 but maybe it's it's probably risen since then but like the sonic game uh is like crazy expensive sonic game okay i'm loose price for the sonic uh advent sonic the hedgehog's game world for the

[00:55:24] second pico is 73 for loose if you want to complete you're at 138 that is actually fairly reasonable because last time i looked it was 300 and it peaked around 300 in like january of 2023 gotcha it has since come back down and it's been remaining pretty consistently steady and around this price

[00:55:48] between 125 and 140 that's fun yeah the pico is such a weird like piece of history like it's really cool for the time but i don't think like i just don't think that would work nowadays i don't know man i i still think it's really cool echo the dolphin 66 bucks what's the most valuable cib one it's sonic game world the sonic game world is more valuable completing box than a com than a pico is

[00:56:18] complete in box let that sink in uh tales the music maker is 90 complete in box whoa richard scary hucky richard scary's huckle and lilly's busiest day ever is 87 complete in box i think that's mainly just because that game came bundled with a lot of them so if you kind of like you know super mario world in a box is like kind of rare because they almost always came loose with the system so if you find

[00:56:46] like a boxed version of it it's a lot harder to find you know what i mean so okay anyway sorry i'm yeah no no worries um so for the next question what would you say is like your biggest like kind of like collecting score like you you went out not expecting anything and you you struck gold like for me to this day like my biggest one i've ever had is i went yard sailing

[00:57:12] and i saw a stack of vhs tapes and in the vhs tapes there was a complete unboxed knuckles chaotix for the 32x just sitting there and i remember i didn't even have a 32x at the time i was just walking by and i looked over and i'm like sega 32x and i pull it out of the vhs tapes and i i just asked the lady running it and she was like she kind of looked at it and just went ah five dollars and i was like

[00:57:41] yes please that game's like god it has to be like in the hundreds now i believe okay yeah knuckles knuckles chaotix completed box currently goes for 318 so let me see so i i have my game i app open which is not i don't have all my games added into it but it still is like a pretty good you know like barometer for like if you want to uh there we go let me change the price i can see

[00:58:09] what like what i have um okay i have i have a handful here so i have two stories that come to mind holy shit some of these are still worth a fuck ton wow um so i worked with a woman named monica at my old job or not my old job my current job but this is like years ago she's no longer with the company um she was like easily like 15 years older than me like she was middle-aged i was like in my

[00:58:35] mid-20s right and she knew i liked video games and she's like well i have a whole bunch that i want to get rid of she showed me she can't she brought them in and it was a full box of 32 complete in the box nes games in beautiful condition and i was looking at them and like there's games i didn't

[00:58:58] own yet like mario 3 like i had copies of mario 3 and mario 2 but not boxed because i i'm a collector on a budget like i'm a budget collector i don't really splurge for the big items unless it's a game i'm like oh i need to have this um megaman 3 um yeah megaman 3 uh mario 3 super mario bros 2 uh

[00:59:21] uh uh the original mario bros like the arcade mario bros complete in box um what else do what else did we have here uh kid icarus complete in box um i'm just kind of scrolling through now flying warriors uh duck the original ducktales punisher um conquest of the crystal palace um maniac mansion

[00:59:47] like all of these complete in box like really nice really good quality copies of it which actually i i put a lot of them also over my parents house in their basement i hope they're okay still uh because their basement has flooded but they were up off the ground i just hope there's there's not too much humidity down there but it was also the winter so i don't i'm not too worried about it um anyway so this was over a decade ago so keep that in mind the prices for these have gone up dramatically

[01:00:17] since then i i looked at some things like i knew some of these were worth like more like mario and megaman and uh donkey kong classics was also on there but i looked up like a few i so i estimate excuse me i i estimated like you know megaman 3 complete in box at the time was like 60 70 bucks right i'm like okay that's got to be the one that's worth the most out of all these like mario 3 is not going to be worth that much and a lot of these i've never even fucking

[01:00:43] heard of so i just guesstimated at like 30 a pop right now this would be like the equivalent of saying most complete in box in the s games are probably like 50 to 60 but back then it was like a lower prices right so i told her i'm like listen like you could easily sell these on ebay for like over a grand if you want to like i can't i can't buy that off you but like uh because i think if

[01:01:10] it was 30 times 32 that's like that's over a thousand dollars right so like i told him like you can easily sell this for over a grand online i'm i'm not going to lie to this person like i work with them i'm not going to screw them over plus even if i didn't know them i would feel guilty if i them over but in any case i told him like you can sell it for a thousand easily if you go to a store you're going to get half of that but you don't have the hassle of having to sell it all online

[01:01:36] i'll buy it off you for 200 because that's all i can afford and she's like i'll do that i went okay i mean all right one of the games and i had no idea it was worth this at the time was called special cybernetic attack team also known as scat complete in box for the nes at the time i'll tell you what it's worth now but at the time it was worth 200 alone for that i went

[01:02:07] excuse me that that alone was the price that i paid but i got 20 i got 31 other games out of it um that game now bill i have it up on my game i app 609 dollars i paid essentially eight dollars for it 200 divided by 32 right if i let me i have the calculator up right here let's let's do that 200

[01:02:35] divided by 32 6 and 25 cents i paid 6 and 25 cents for that and it is worth 660 or sorry 609 dollars so in my collection currently i only own one game that's more valuable than that i think i think you've told me what it was too i forgot what it is though pandridangoon saga yeah yeah that's just kind of like the default answer for most people's

[01:03:04] collections is these days um the other big score that i got i bought years ago off of ebay i'm hoping they're not fakes because it's pokemon right i did open it up and look at the board and the board looks legit and like the serial numbers or whatever match like the not you know the little sm number and sm whatever it is that all matched um so i'm pretty sure they're legit i'm gonna have

[01:03:30] to take them to a friend maybe like who who knows this shit to be like hey can you verify these are legit because like the one copy of pokemon red that i have the the plastic looks all fucked up like it looks like like candy colored almost like candy red and i'm like that doesn't seem like legit in any case i bought pokemon red blue gold silver and yellow for 50 bucks now to be clear if you saw that

[01:03:54] now that's 100 a scam these were all loose mind you 100 a scam but i bought this back in like 2013 2014 right pokemon i mean they were already like sought after but nothing to what you see now um so i uh i bought them for like 50 bucks off of ebay got like five games for 50 you know great deal

[01:04:20] co-worker of mine same job that i work at currently as well a different co-worker's name is min he also has since moved on to a different company uh min's a really nice guy uh super cool dude he's he's like he randomly will give me stuff like he finds from his own game things that he just doesn't want anymore he came in and he's like hey i have all of these pokemon boxes and manuals but no games would you be

[01:04:47] interested in them and i go absolutely i told him though once again like dude i don't know what the value of these are but this shit's worth money like i'm telling you like pokemon holds its value um he's like i don't care uh so he gave them to me the only game i did not own out of the boxes was pokemon crystal so i bought a copy years ago for 50 bucks for a loose copy of crystal

[01:05:15] so now i have a complete in box version of pokemon crystal which is worth 809 dollars currently um but i also have pokemon emerald and because of that i now own complete in box versions of pokemon crystal emerald leaf green red yellow blue silver and gold damn

[01:05:39] and be like that the least valuable of that is pokemon gold at 256 currently yeah i think looking crazy i'm pretty sure the loose cartridge for emerald is like 200 bucks these days i'm gonna have to find my like oh shit where did it go actually i put all of my

[01:06:04] game boy and game boy gba games into like card sleeves you know like you know the plastic sleeves for cards so i could just put them in a binder and open it up that way um i don't know where they are right now i should really find them along with the other boxes and everything i'm gonna have to really start sifting through stuff because like i have no semblance of where half my collection is right now half of it's at my parents house and half of it is that up in the africa and all of my nice boxes

[01:06:31] like you know like the ps5 empty box and like the ps4 and like maybe like collector's edition boxes that are empty that i'm using for display they're all over at a different friend's house up in his attic so like i i should really check in on that but like uh yeah so that that's probably my my those two are my biggest scores where i just lucked into it where it's something i i wasn't expecting and all of a

[01:06:58] sudden i'm like oh my god like what like especially with the one the first one the 32 box 32 cib nes games i had no idea what scat was i'd never even heard of that game uh but it's 200 and now it's obviously over that so yeah it's crazy like that's me with like persona 2 um eternal punishment on playstation i bought that for 20 bucks on amazon like back in 2012 before like the persona boom happened

[01:07:27] and it's like a 400 game now it's crazy how like you just bought like i bought uh super mario rpg complete in box for like 60 bucks off of ebay years ago it's now 250 oh yeah it's stupid it's just stupid like uh my copy of uh clodelka i got for 99 that's like 300 now like it's just it's it's absurd

[01:07:54] this hobby it's that's crazy vice project doom that's another one i got in there that's a great game but yeah so i would say that's my biggest like what the fuck twilight princess is 158 for the gamecube yeah that they sold millions of those yeah i that's why i don't get to an extent why pokemon is so

[01:08:19] expensive because like so for example like earthbound right like earthbound it's not that it didn't sell well it still sold millions but comparatively to other super nintendo games it didn't sell as much it's not like it's a rare game per se it's just that it's hard to find right um because people who like it keep it type of thing pokemon is constantly give you look at the top selling games of the

[01:08:45] handheld era of each handheld system is pokemon is up there on all of them so where are all these copies going why are they so fucking high i guess because there's always demand for them oh yeah i think with the twilight princess a lot of it has to do with the gamecube version in particular was probably the lower print run of them because gamecube stuff in general wasn't super printed because as controversial

[01:09:12] as it is the gamecube is technically a failed console on like a basic sense when you compare it to what it was competing against but because there's not a lot of gamecube stuff out there i think i've always kind of assumed that's why like a lot of gamecube versions are kind of going up in price now because um you can find twilight princess on we pretty easily i believe i paid five dollars for

[01:09:40] my copy of twilight princess on on gamecube oh dear friend i paid like 50 for mine i paid five bucks and also five bucks for smash melee five bucks for something else i don't remember half the games i bought from it i think the the legend of zelda like collection that has like the master the hero the master quest version on ocarina of time like that for that group of four games or whatever it

[01:10:09] is so yeah but yeah that's that's it's just some of some of the biggest like scores like you just like i wasn't expecting this i don't know what in terms of like i don't necessarily know like what's the most biggest jump in like value i would assume actually probably scat considering at the same time though like i spent 50 on pokemon crystal now it's worth 800 but at the same time i spent six dollars on scat

[01:10:38] and now it's worth 600 so yeah it's just it's crazy um so now to flip that question on its head what would you say is your biggest fail like you've ever had collecting like for me it was um my first time i learned on amazon you can i'm not amazon on ebay you can never trust an ebay seller you have to like they need to have pictures like galore and like descriptions and you need to check

[01:11:04] every thing you see because for me my biggest fail was i had bought a copy of power stone power stone one on a dreamcast i paid 70 for it it was one of those ebay listings where there was no pictures of the game it was just a picture of the cover and they claimed it was very good condition like all complete original there i buy it it shows up and it is very obviously a bootleg

[01:11:34] i this is going to sound egotistical i've never really had a fail and i don't mean that necessarily in terms of like i would say the closest maybe is that i bought the the playstation classic for full price same a hundred dollars when i could have got it for 20 if i waited just a week a week later a week later um that's the first one that comes to mind but i've never really been

[01:12:01] duped out i uh maybe i so i bought conquer's bad fur day for a hundred dollars loose and like a week later it had dropped in price by like 25 bucks and now i think it's worth even less than that so i i that's the only one that i can really think that i kind of regret not that the game itself like i'm happy i have it in my collection but like for that price point i'm i'm not proud of buying it for a

[01:12:26] hundred dollars i i kind of regret i i think yeah it just it was bad timing i think it was just at the the height of its value or whatever and it just now it's i don't even know what it's worth now come to think of it um that's a good question i have a loose copy myself let me see let me see let me go to uh let me uh 140 it's worth 140 now so i i've made my money but not now to be clear i

[01:12:51] don't collect to make money i've never sold any of my stuff but it is right there is that sense of satisfaction be like yeah i own this for it it's worth a fuck it feels nice so like i guess for me like in in that kind of vein like it doesn't count anymore because it's since reverted back to where it was when i bought it but uh my first ever like i paid too much money for a game kind of moment was

[01:13:17] when i bought fire emblem path to radiance on gamecube because that was right after the awakening boom and like everyone was kind of like the fire fire mania kind of happened at that point um so i had bought that one for 200 and i regretted it instantly because i was like this is too much money for a game like what am i doing and then like a month later it dropped down to like 90 and i was like i made a horrible mistake in my life but it's since gone back up to around 200 so it's kind of evened out but

[01:13:46] like at the same time there was that brief period where i was like what am i what am i doing yeah i mean i wish i had a better story for you it's just it's at least for me so i i like i don't even have uh like conquers about fury it's the closest to your fire emblem one right but like i've never really been dicked over on an ebay listing the only one that's potential is those pokemon games

[01:14:11] but this was also like i bought these before it was a big thing like like the the piracy among pokemon carts was rampant right like it was there i'm not saying it wasn't it's also it's a possibility for damn sure but it was uh at a time when uh it was not nearly as rampant as it is now yeah it's it's tough there's actually a question later in the list that uh actually goes into that

[01:14:39] a bit deeper so i'll save that for later but um but the next question is um have you ever had like a game that you did not have the money for at the time you saw it but like it was like one of those like you can't pass this up kind of moments like you'll never see this again not on a specific game

[01:15:01] that i can think of but i do remember the year the switch came out um in 2017 i was at a convention and it was at the time you know you couldn't find a switch anywhere like you there was just no place you could find one not without dealing with scalpers and i found someone willing to sell it and i think i paid 325 which is only 25 more than market and the only reason it was even that high is

[01:15:29] because i paid with a credit card if i would have paid in cash it would have been like 310 or something like that like he would have cut off like cut down 15 bucks so i was like so my switch i paid uh 325 425 for on a credit card and i shouldn't have bought it i like you know i i didn't really have the money i put it on a credit card i was like but i wanted to switch real bad and there was like

[01:15:50] nowhere to find one at the time um i don't know because i i bought the switch and then i went to target and now i'm trying to remember was there a switch in the display case when i went there i don't think there was i don't remember i don't remember i that would make it really funny but i can't say for certain i remember going over and buying arms though for it and talk about like an under like i'm not saying it's a phenomenal game but like talk about a series where they like tried something and

[01:16:18] no one bit on it yeah because nintendo fans are no nintendo fans are so like petty sometimes they're like we want new franchise here's new franchise no not like that yep there it is baby yeah it's i mean the closest thing that they've had that is splatoon splatoon is their the newest franchise that has hit really big though i've said it before the switch appears to be the console that like

[01:16:44] took franchises that were like either dormant on the brink of going away or were like you know still really popular but not like your a-level popularity i for example like kirby kirby's always been popular i'm not trying to take anything away from the kirby series one of the most successful series that nintendo has but a lot of them has been have been relegated to the handhelds right yeah and because of that a lot of them get overlooked not saying that's fair but it's just

[01:17:12] kind of the reality of what it is then the forgotten land came out and everyone's like holy fuck kirby and yeah he was popular again uh animal crossing new horizons there you go with that as tragic as the timing was on new horizons that game did kind of come out at the perfect time came out the perfect time also look at uh metroid metroid dread was pretty successful all things considered for them compared to other metroid games this was one of their more successful ones

[01:17:40] uh oh my gosh there was one that i was just thinking about and now i can't remember it was on the tip of my tongue oh pikmin pikmin like pikmin has three games in the series but it never really hmm pikmin 4 was big pikmin 4 was really big uh so it like the switch has really felt like that system where they like their series that have not gotten enough love finally got some well-deserved love

[01:18:06] so i don't know how i got on that but uh i to bring it back to i know i know how i got on it because i that was my find i was the switch that was the only one where i was kind of like i need to buy this and it's just because i didn't know i didn't want to pay a scalper and this was a i mean it's a vendor at a at a convention so they could be a scalper too but for 25 over market price which by the way that was market prices at 300 if i would have applied to sales tax anyway it i think i paid

[01:18:35] like eight dollars more after sales tax like i think i paid eight dollars more and if i included the sales tax in it i would have not you know what i mean like it i only spent like eight dollars more than what it would have been if i bought it at market value plus sales tax yeah no i get you there um like for me like the only times i've ever really had a moment like that like where i've uh

[01:19:00] as i say broken my budget because usually when i go collecting i set a budget that i'll try to stay in um the first one was popful mail on the same cd was that the retro world expo i was at with you no so i found popful mail at um at a retro store that no longer exists but it was when i alex had first moved up here uh before i'm also moved up in this area uh we were gonna go game hunting and we

[01:19:27] went to this one retro store and i ended up blowing my entire uh saved funds on the first first store we went to because they had a it was a pristine copy of popful mail um and they wanted like 200 for it which was pricey at the time and i really didn't have the money for but i knew like that was like one of those like i'll never see this again and it's now like a 500 game so so you gotta you got it

[01:19:55] at a steal the only other the only other time i've done that is uh i found a copy of burning rangers for 300 which is like a 600 game now at um comic-con and it was kind of one of those like things where i was like like i i'll never see it again in person so i had to grab it and is is i'm sure you have this question is there a question that's going to be coming up where it's a game that you wish you

[01:20:21] would have bought and then regret that you didn't later on oh the uh let me check real quick because i think like okay so believe it or not this is a collection i constantly every time i do one of these i always say i need to add that i keep forgetting to do it so i'm going to do it now because if i if i don't do it now i will forget well i can i could answer that for you right now

[01:20:46] you don't even have to ask it you don't i'll i'll take it as implicit asking with this one um for me it was uh there's a handful that like that i can think of i i know there's been a bunch actually i should say and i can't remember all of them um but one that comes to mind is snatcher because i remember it was like 150 for the disc alone and i was like there's no way i'm going to

[01:21:10] pay 150 that's fucking crazy i don't even want to know what the price of that is now for sega cd are you kidding me i'm gonna look that up one of the most expensive sega cd games yeah um and i remember like thinking like it was like too expensive at 150 for it loose it is 480 loose

[01:21:34] 1300 dollars 1 295 dollars and 59 cents for a complete inbox version currently um i love kojiva but not that much i'll just fucking emulate it i don't even give a shit uh it dipped under a thousand early like in late 2024 so you know you could have gotten right there but yeah it is like i that's one i regret

[01:21:59] just because i could have gotten it for like 150 bucks and i was like there's no way and now it's 500 for just a loose copy right like it's just that's crazy so that's an example of one for there i would also say there's been some games i've been like uh like rocket robot on wheels is one that i've been trying to find for quite some time and then i i did i remember i forget what it was i think i found

[01:22:26] at one point i'm like i'll get this next time never was able to find another copy and then the times that i have it's like way too expensive symphony of the night same thing um there's lots of games that like like that where i was like now i gotta stay within my budget and then i regret it and then i i don't know their their prices are fucking astronomical so like it is what it is i guess the the name of this category is obviously like the white whale like that one game like the one that

[01:22:54] you just you let go and you never get the chance again for me it it will always this one will haunt me forever i had passed up a chance to get a copy of magic knight ray earth for the saturn yeah famously the final game to release on the saturn in north america um i had a chance to get that for

[01:23:13] 300 i passed on it to get i think it was lunar 2 it was another game that was also of significant value at the time i think realistically speaking that it's the cheaper of the two now but but that's besides the point i don't regret it um but at the same time it was there and that game has since it's like 700 or something now like it's one of the most expensive uh saturn games there is

[01:23:43] and i i'll i'm always kicking myself the only other one i can think of was like um a chibi robo i had seen a copy for 20 and i passed on it thinking i'll find that again i never found it again and i'm constantly every time i see it now i just go there's there's always gonna be stuff like that it's a bummer but it love love lost video game collecting is a cruel mistress

[01:24:13] that's what i always say um oh wait a minute i did add the question i did it hey there we go so the question you're smarter that you're not as dumb as you pretend to look i i named it something obtuse like i not like white whale like an easy thing to remember i i named it the game you let get away yeah so that's not away that's that's that one this is the question i i only bring it up

[01:24:40] just because it's a it's more just making fun of myself because it happened to me but i always like to ask people just in case so i get to bring up this prop again have you ever master system this is a broken master system i just had here in the background all the time but i use it as a prop for this question okay have you ever been bamboozled with a cartridge in what way so this cartridge i have here is a copy of ken saden oh i think you told me about this where you you think you're buying

[01:25:10] can say in but when you like turn it on it's a completely different game yeah so this copy of ken saden is some random baseball game like it is the most the cruelest like prick like a scammer can do because not only is it it's not fake the shell is real and the board is real but they took a granted ken saden's like not that not extremely valuable for the for the sake of this argument i

[01:25:36] just think it's funny um they take a game of somewhat significant value and then they um they stick in like one of the most deepest like common games possible and then you get home and you put the game in and then it's surprise baseball and you just feel like bad about yourself and it's like it's just one of those things where it happened to me once and it's always kind of just been a thing that i just like laugh about now because it's never happened to me sorry to sorry to say i'm

[01:26:04] sure it hasn't but it hasn't happened to anyone else i just gotta keep asking it though because one day someone's gonna say it happened to them and you're gonna be like fucking finally yeah well because the reason i bring that up is because it reminds me of a like um you mentioned pat the nes punk earlier um see you see you podcast they had that segment of the ebay like scumbag of the week and they the one story from there that i always loved just because it was such a funny story

[01:26:32] was the was the fake well not even fake it was a copy of chrono trigger that had a madden in it that like got from that time when gamestop was doing the whole like retro push and they were like really hyping up their quality control and then famously this one copy of madden in a chrono trigger shell um got passed around to like seven people before they finally caught it like i just i always

[01:26:55] think of that i'm just like how did they mix that up game wait what sorry i'm confused now what i understand it was madden confused mix mix so no trigger was it like the shell was chrono trigger and they were selling super nintendo shell yes okay they were like it was a legit chrono sugar shell like it wasn't fake at all but they had swapped the board and they put a madden board in it okay and

[01:27:22] they were um selling it at chrono trigger price and this thing had gone around to like multiple people and they kept sending it back like being like this is fraudulent and gamestop just never took it off the market and it kept just going to different people because i think there was like three different episodes where they had mentioned this one game cartridge i'm trying to find so you you talking about this just got me thinking of like bizarre ebay things and i i was hoping to find a reading of it

[01:27:52] um is this it no so pat uh in the most recent episode of the cu podcast they read off of absolutely bonkers ebay auction list for nintendo bedsheets and it was like it was this the most unhinged product description i've ever heard in my entire life for the guys like if you try to return this you're going

[01:28:18] to get sued and stuff like that it was like it was crazy you can find the clip on his youtube channel it's like 17 minutes long um i was hoping to see like because he provides like screen grabs of what's on his computer and whatnot like and i can see pictures of the bed set but i can't see the actual like ebay listing anymore um but it is just oh wait hold on i i i found it um where are you at

[01:28:48] it's now relisted uh okay yeah it's now relisted do they have the same thing um no it's it's it they change it all there there was like there it was it was something crazy you'll have to watch the video i don't think that they they got rid of the uh listing and now it's a new

[01:29:18] list there's a new listing and they got rid of it it's it's it's bonkers though like if if if i can find it if i can if this has everything i want to i want to read it but it's crazy anyway sorry i'm losing the thread of this but it just reminded me of it no worries at all um so only a few more uh this one is a bit of a so these two questions i kind of combined because they were kind of the

[01:29:42] same thing um do you have in your collection like do you have like an oddball or like like an oddball set of games are an odd like collecting habit like that you just kind of do just not not because it's like a particularly valuable thing it's just something that like you find satisfying and like you've decided to do like for me one of mine is like i'm trying to collect every nascar game just just

[01:30:07] because or i'm trying to collect every version of klax because that was my first video game ever the closest i don't really have anything like that for the most part the closest thing is i try to get every james bond game i possibly can anything bond related uh just you know i'm a huge james bond fan uh but even that i don't really go too crazy out of the way to do um though i have gotten like

[01:30:36] hey what is it i have oh gosh sorry no worries when i did the history of james bond panel at rush award expo which you saw like i have a tabletop james bond art like it's a tabletop rpg james bond game it's a james bond role-playing tabletop rpg right it's crazy um so i have stuff like that but like it for the most part i don't really have any like one weird specific thing

[01:31:02] that i just collect for the sake of it it's more if anything it's just things with like weird box art or weird weird cover art just for the sake of like that seems interesting um i don't understand this or like the the title of it makes me laugh kind of like uh my favorite example of this of like one of the most bonkers games i'm pretty sure you've heard of it michael jordan chaos in the windy city yeah i love that game what a weird game right it's a platformer where you play as michael jordan

[01:31:32] and with throwing flaming basketballs at enemies and you're dunking dunking them and it allows you to open up different areas it's a crazy thing fun fact about that game that's one of amy hennig's first game credits amy hennig for those who don't know is the creator of the uncharted franchise uncharted she also did um legacy of kane um which i actually recently covered on my show and i did not

[01:32:00] enjoy but that's a difference that's a different story yeah it's honestly like i love like like dumb fun little collections like that like oh i love people that do that because like my other one my only other one i do is um i collect ps1 racing games just like because that system has so many racers for like no reason and out of sled storm sled storm good game

[01:32:26] um and i found like two like not sled storms which are like similar concepts but they're not good in the slightest storm is legitimately a really great game and no one talks about it it reminds me a lot of jet moto like in like that era of just like cool quirky racing games like i found one like the funniest racing game on the ps1 i've ever seen is literally just called racing like that is just the title and i'm like what about 007 racer i have that actually you you were there when i found it because i

[01:32:55] uh we were at retro world and i was like scrolling through and i found that hilarious like not to resell collector's edition copy that's like somehow cheaper than the uh the greatest it was like a weird like thing i remember we had a we discovered this at plan b burger of all things plan b that's right i still love how it took you and alex the entire weekend i think it was mainly to get the joke yes to get that was me too i didn't get it there there listeners at retro world expo up in connecticut

[01:33:25] across the street from the convention center there is a burger shop called plan b burger and i just kept making jokes about like well thank god no one's going to get pregnant in this place because the plan b and the whole weekend i just imagine like why does josh keep bringing a pregnancy every time he talks about this burger place see me i was in game collector mode so my brain was just kind of like

[01:33:49] it was like and i'm just like that's a perfectly normal step statement i could just say anything to you while you're collecting oh you've you've now witnessed me at a convention and i get i get really crazy like i'll be like digging through it being like where's the games i can only imagine i should just start seeing if i can like influence you be like bill give me a hundred dollars

[01:34:12] money i'll hear money and i'll be like i'm not gonna know okay bill give me a hundred bitcoin i don't think it's not real money anyway i've never actually done crypto so i don't know if that would help but i mean a hundred bitcoin you'd be a millionaire true so the only other i don't do this personally but this is like a collection that thing that like i've always kind of thought about as

[01:34:39] it would be kind of cool someone who collects exclusively in greatest hits like you just like an entire collection of nothing but those ugly green spines or like burgundy don't be judgmental i mean i love it personally but like it it it's like i i love greatest hits like all of those brands because they're always like the most eyesore like in any collection like the uh the garish yellow on the

[01:35:06] gamecube the uh the original xbox like platinum hits where it just takes over the entire cover um just i i love stupid stuff like that and i just honestly like that would be kind of a fun collection like just collect the greatest hits versions that would be actually really funny i kind of like that that's a good idea i think scott the was it mentioned it in his episode on it i've always been like that would be fun but it's something i would never do just because like why would you spend the money on it right like it's not because like a lot of times you own the games

[01:35:35] anyway like if you were just getting into collecting that would be kind of a cool thing to do but if you already have a collection it's like you're buying stuff you already own at some and it's something that you own the more valuable copy of anyway yeah usually so another question so there's two more the last one is kind of a joke question this one is um the last like really real

[01:36:00] question what would be some advice you would give to a um a new collector someone just getting into the hobby now uh know that it's not easy it's not like i'm not saying like oh i'm doing something challenging and look at me how brave i am for fucking buying but it's not easy just because it costs a lot

[01:36:23] of money now if you want the easy if you want to go to stores and go to cons it's gonna you're gonna pay for it it's a lot of money um if you want to put in the work for it and do like yard sailing and stuff like that you can but you're going to be competing with resellers who are really hounding the like who are like competing i when i went that one time yard selling with josh literally

[01:36:50] like seven years ago at this point i still remember we showed up to a yard sale and there was a reseller there already there and like like in this random yard sale in the middle of fucking nowhere so you're gonna be you're gonna be getting you're either gonna be paying a lot of money for not having the

[01:37:13] hassle or you're gonna be having the hassle so my that's not necessarily a warning to not get into it but to me you have to pick and choose what you want to collect like be be smart about what you collect if you want to go for the popular systems the nes the super nintendo anything nintendo nintendo gets a crazy bump because it's nintendo whether it's right or wrong they do um then obviously you know

[01:37:41] like playstation and all the main consoles generally get a favorability with the exception of xbox xbox is no one cares about xbox is a cheaper console to collect for but um i think it depends actually you know what here there's two two advice if money isn't an issue do whatever the fuck you want if money is not a problem then like you don't care about how much you spend or you don't have it you

[01:38:08] have that much disposable you have that you have you know that fuck you kind of money where you don't worry about what you spend and there's no advice needed the only advice i would give you is when you're at a store or a convention especially a convention walk the floor two times at least to see what every vendor has to see what catches your eye so if you see it happened to my buddy bob if you see a copy of pokemon blue and one guy's selling you're like oh great i want that and you spend 60

[01:38:38] bucks on the loose cart there's a vendor probably two two blocks down that is selling it for like 45 or fifth so that's my only bit of advice if money is no object then just when you're at conventions do lapse around it because stores are going to keep relatively the same prices because that that's much more market-based versus vendors are trying to like you know they they don't want to have to take especially on the last day of the convention they discount stuff like crazy because they just don't

[01:39:06] want to take it home um so there's that if if you are a collector on a budget like myself i always suggest um getting into it 10 years ago but if obviously that's not an option um i would suggest pick a console that you love and then work with your work around your budget with that if that's the nes

[01:39:31] look for cheap nes games first and then if there's like favorites of yours budget for it look at what they're selling for get an idea and budget for it um like i i remember the year i got chrono trigger at a convention i only paid 100 bucks now it's like 200 something or 300 for the loose cart i budgeted 100 because i knew it was going to cost 100 that was that was my purchase that week i came

[01:39:57] in with 200 and i spent half of it on chrono trigger the other 100 was for whatever hell else i wanted um so i came in with a budget of how much i would spend uh so budget and then from there if if you don't really care about what console it is look up to see which consoles are cheaper to collect for generally consoles like the uh the um sega game gear is pretty cheap for the most part any microsoft

[01:40:23] console is pretty cheap for the most part uh hell even the the the virtual boy with the exception of like two games is like cheap to collect for there's like the only downside is crazy high the only downside is getting an actual virtual boy yeah sure that's very expensive too um so yeah that's kind of like uh uh what i would recommend if money's no object just do laps around the the the vendor booths

[01:40:51] and see to get the best deal if money is an object still do laps around the vendor to make sure you get the best deal but be selective and know what you want because you can't just you if you can't afford to buy willy-nilly and whatever you see and if there's if there's a big ticket item that you really want like for years i really wanted super metroid complete in box just because i love even though i didn't never necessarily love that game i loved like everything about it and then i played and i

[01:41:21] actually genuinely loved it but i really wanted a copy of it because you know like there's some games like you just hear about when you're before you actually play it and you're just like wow this just sounds so cool i can't wait to actually play this um that was super metroid for me i you know every everything i heard about it was just i was so excited to like dive into it and play it and it did not disappoint i'll say that it did not disappoint it was a great game um but yeah you just pick things

[01:41:46] that you really love and save for it and it sounds boring but like that's that's the state of collecting on a budget now like stick with stay within your budget and know uh know what you want and as you get into collecting more and you start understanding the ins and outs and also like kind of like the general market value of things then you're going to be able to know like what bill had that question

[01:42:11] before like you had that question before bill where it's like i you see a deal and you're like this is out of my budget i could swing this but i shouldn't but i'm never going to get a chance like this again that's when you do those like really big swing purchases where you're like i'm not going to be able to find this for a better deal anytime soon yeah because now you have the experience in it but you have to actually get into collecting to do that so that that would be my advice yeah um no that's great i

[01:42:40] love the advice part of this list because like everyone always has some something different like because for me like i always say like if you're not having fun then you probably shouldn't be collecting it's like if it becomes a chore like why are you doing it like that's always been a thought i've always had because like one of the reasons i love retro world is because you get so many brand new collectors there and like there's just something kind of like really wholesome of being like the veteran collector and seeing all like the newbies getting in and they still have that like innocence to them

[01:43:09] where they're like they're really just kind of getting into it and you're like yeah this is why it was fun like this is why i love this hobby i also think actually here's a bit of advice don't try to get everything on your list ever i'm serious the fun of collecting is the the hunt and the chase it's the it's that having that like like one of the reasons i've actually slowed down

[01:43:34] and collecting is there's not anything i get excited for anymore um yeah and that's not to say there's bad there aren't bad games like there's games i would love to have in my like would i love little samson for the nes you bet your ass i would but i'm not going to spend thousands of dollars on it i just i don't care enough about that so a lot of the games that i really wanted for i really wanted

[01:43:57] i have so the collecting part while it's still fun that like you have to like especially when you're collecting on a budget that's where it kind of like it can go like if i didn't have a budget i'm sure the collecting bug would still be there a lot stronger because that i wouldn't have to worry so much about finances and this and that yeah i could go buy a famicom disc system and a bunch of disc system games buy a disc system kiosk somewhere i would love a fucking famicom disc system kiosk

[01:44:26] like a pokemon snap kiosk and all the stuff i want now is like thousands of dollars that i just i cannot afford or have space for an n64 dd just to have one right like it's all stuff like that so uh no you can still find weird corners of like niche game history um for example i i don't think i have it

[01:44:48] with me right now maybe i do um maybe did i put it in here maybe i don't know i had a i have somewhere here i'll have to find where i put it um a ds cart that is from the nintendo ds download station uh you know for those who don't remember that when the ds was still a thing you could go to like

[01:45:15] walmart or target or whatever and they would have like behind the counter a ds with this cartridge in that was effectively broadcasting demos and trailers for you and you would do the ds download play option on your ds and you could connect to this store's ds and then play download demos from it like over over like not wi-fi it was like uh the wfc or whatever it was yeah like

[01:45:41] the like the nintendo's the ds's own broadcasting thing so you could actually do stuff like that it was really cool it was a lot it was a lot of fun um and you could get trailers and demos in fact there are some of those download station cartridges that have demos for games that never came out so the only way you can play that is by finding the download station card um i have it somewhere i have to find where i put it um but i have the very first one number one it was only like

[01:46:09] 20 bucks and i think if you go online now they're still like 20 bucks um because they're not like sought after uh as far as i'm aware um i checked like a month or so ago and i still saw the same seller selling them for 20 and i don't think there's something you would counterfeit for 20 dollars right like if it was something really valuable they'd be selling for like 50 60 a pop probably at least i think there's just so many of them out there which is hard for me to really fathom because

[01:46:36] there's yeah there's like thousands of stores but like but i guess it's just like there's not comparatively to like other games there's not that many but i don't think a lot of people really care that much about yeah it's a thing that like only some collectors are really will find like fascinating like it's it's an interesting thing in gaming i'd say so yeah so now the the final question this one is mostly a gag uh question but sometimes i'll get

[01:47:04] like a an actual answer that's kind of like uh it gets the noggin going um my final question is what is one game that will never be in your collection one game that will never be in my collection you can interpret this one any way you want um little samson because i'll never afford it uh unless you know god

[01:47:31] help me if i find something that's like really um if i find a very generous person who gifts me it i'm not saying they pay a thousand dollars for it and give me it i'm saying they have a copy and like yeah fuck it i don't want it anymore and give it to me like that's the only way i could foresee me having it but that's not really a realistic uh outcome to ever really expect um stuff like that games like that where it's like it would

[01:47:58] just be so prohibitively expensive to own or logistically uh net basically logistically impossible to get um that would be one um i can't even like the only one i can think of it i know which one you're probably thinking of that that one it's like a ps2 game or whatever that like had like it was uh made with like underage girls and shit like that it's like a sex

[01:48:25] it's an adult game the dad game yeah yeah um i would probably not have that because that's literally like that's just fucked up yeah it's it's bad well it's bad to begin with like it's not a it's not good but then also you read into and you're like yeah this is bad the only like i i wouldn't be necessarily owning like like porn games or like sex games it's just not anything i'm like really like oh let me go out and find some i'd be curious to get the atari

[01:48:52] 2600 port games with the actually you know what i don't think i could in good conscious get custer's revenge yeah that one's that one's a little that is for a lot of reasons that is beyond fucked up for so many reasons like i i can't even own that for the sake of like look at this historical game it's an atari port game isn't that funny and for those who don't know about the game custer's revenge for the atari 2600 you know or atari the 2600 actually did have porn games i mean you didn't

[01:49:21] have to pay for a license to develop for the system you just developed for it so people did um and there's like weird games there's one called beat them and eat them you can guess what that's about there's like it's it's gross stuff like that but like custer's revenge is just it's not just gross it's not gross because it's a sex game it's gross because it's racist and on top of that it is

[01:49:50] misogynistic is too light of a word it's offensive to everybody involved like that's like uh it is but content warning for those who just for those who are curious i'll say what it is but content warning uh sexual assault and and extreme racism i'm just gonna like content warning for those just just to be curious you play as general custer and your objective is to dodge spears that fall from

[01:50:16] the sky so you can rape a woman against a cactus rape an indigenous woman against a cactus that's what it is and it is really fucked up like i don't think i i think that's the only game off the top of my head i'm sure there's others like i'm not saying there's not others but at least off the top of my head i don't think i could morally own that game i just i could not do it that is that

[01:50:41] makes me uncomfortable thinking like when i first heard about it made me laugh but now as i've matured it just it just it's so gross it honestly i i feel like vomiting i feel like gagging right now i know that sounds very dramatic but i i mean like i feel gross in my stomach right now yeah that game just like it's offensive to everybody it portrays in it like it not only to the obviously the people involved but also like the custer family itself like they were well fuck the custer family he was a racist

[01:51:09] piece of shit anyway like in hindsight he genocided indigenous people fuck him yeah yeah just uh not a good game no not at all so content warning over i don't have to talk about it anymore but it's it yeah can't do it just can't do that no matter what on a light-hearted note i would never own i can't own ever in little samson or snatcher yeah see i i made this question just to

[01:51:38] mostly make fun of the guy game because i find amusement out of making fun of that game um that's actually one of my convention games like whenever i go to a convention i like to find how many copies of that game i can find throughout the convention and then i like to see if they disappear because then you know someone bought it but um uh last year retro world i only found one copy and it didn't sell so thank god um it's funny though because i made this question as a gag

[01:52:06] and then the uh the first guest i had for collecting stories um uh his name's james he had a podcast called games with john and james he has since disappeared i have no idea what happened to him which i hope i hope he's doing well but um he actually had answered final fantasy 6 really and i'm not gonna say like his reasoning because he actually gave a full-on like this really

[01:52:35] deep like in-depth story and i remember i was like i was like this was a gag question sir i did not need this really deep um answer but i just like ever since that i've always been like well now i have to keep this question like for each person you never know what they'll see six it must have been something very personal he had a real reason behind it i forget at the time i'd have to re-listen to the episode but i just remember like he had dropped it off and i was like well damn like i don't know how to

[01:53:04] think this was supposed to be a joke sir that's wild that's wild but um yeah that was all i had for questions um it's cool talking to collectors i i'm glad to finally get you on man because i've been meaning to like um i want to share like um with different people i mean you're i've known you probably longer than anybody in the in the circle so i've been like i've been just really wanting to uh get you on for this and i'm glad we finally had a chance to chat

[01:53:31] yeah thank you for inviting me on it's i i love guests who go to other shows mainly because i don't have to do any of the editing work already the logistics stuff behind the scene like right now i'm editing the last episode of punch a nazi month and i like i it's it's a good episode but i have to it was like an hour and 50 minutes long as about as long as we've been recording actually so it's uh it those take a while for me to edit so i i i like being able to guest jump on a show and then not

[01:53:59] have to do any of the logistical work afterwards i hear you there but um yeah i guess um at this point uh i know you've already mentioned it earlier but do you want to just shout out um still on podcast again real quick sure sure the still loading podcast is i describe it as a video game grab bag podcast it's basically just uh you know me talking about video games whether it's deep dives on individual games i cover a variety of topics hence the grab bag nature of it i do

[01:54:27] interviews with people in the industry i've had composers and voice actors and game developers and game designers and tons of like i've i had the president of jolly co usa from the 80s back on uh back then excuse me uh on the show and he was actually worked at atari coin op his name was howie rubin that's a favorite episode of mine that was a really fascinating interview so i interview people from all aspects of the games industry um but then i also do individual deep dives on games like i

[01:54:54] mentioned before bill has been on a handful he was he's going to be on the infamous episode coming up later on of you know the ps3 game infamous um from sucker punch he was also on the mario and luigi partners in time episode for mario month just a couple weeks ago um he was on the nintendo ds episode back in november for the ds's 20th anniversary uh so i i do deep dives on a bunch of stuff and then i

[01:55:20] do weird ideas like i do i have a uh annual thing called the final fantasy fantasy draft which is when fantasy sports and final fantasy mix together and you don't need to know anything about fantasy sports to enjoy it you just gotta love final fantasy and that's that so yeah that's the still loading podcast you can find it wherever podcasts are given away for free uh and you can follow me on social media at still loading pod over on blue sky and at still loading pod on instagram and i stream

[01:55:45] on twitch at still loading pod and that's it i mean i i i'm at still loading pod on a couple other places but i don't really post there so uh to take you you know you get what you get with those but for the most part i'm on blue sky on instagram nice and i'll be sure to have a link um i'll probably link your website directly down oh yeah i have a website as well but um yeah once again guys thank you for joining us on the gaming and collecting podcast you can find

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