G&C Podcast - Episode 182: Video Game Console Memories Part 2: N64 Boogaloo! (ft. Gerry Thomas of the SuperPod Network)

[00:00:00] Hey everybody! On this episode of Gaming And Collecting, me and Alex are joined by our fellow SuperPod Network content creator, Gerry from the podcast, SuperGhost Radio, SuperPod Saga, and Retro Rehab to discuss a whole bunch of early console gaming memories from way back in the day.

[00:00:18] It's a super fun conversation even if Alex drives his mental with her anti-N64 propaganda, but hey, it wouldn't be GNC without the nonsense. Anyways guys, on to the intro music.

[00:01:06] So it was episode 108 and this is gonna be-

[00:01:08] Oh yeah, I forgot that you have all of your- Do you just have those episodes printed there so that you can look in reference? Or is it- Like, I understand it's for looks, and it's really fucking cool that you have that on your wall, that you have, uh, you know, for the listeners out there.

[00:01:22] Bill has a wall full of every episode clipart, and it's pretty wild. Yeah, that's insane. But I feel like there's an ulterior motive to this. I feel like it's just easy for you to go, and that was on episode 5.

[00:01:38] So I will say it is very convenient, but I will say this was also a gift from my mother when I went into my house. Word to your mother.

[00:01:47] It only currently goes up to episode 125, but eventually we'll get the rest of them all put together so like we can have the full- Cause we're almost at 200 episodes, which is insane. Crazy. I can't- I don't believe you when you say that. 200 is a big number.

[00:02:03] Well it's funny cause Alex is- Alex only lives through the GNC stuff, but then me and Jerry are both masochists who are on three podcasts each, so. Yeah. Speaking of that, um, last time- It's so hard. I don't know how you do it.

[00:02:18] I don't either. But speaking of that, last time we talked, you were only the host of Super Girls Radio. Super Girls Radio. Do you want to shout out your other two shows now? Nah. No, I'm just kidding. Well thanks.

[00:02:31] Nah, I don't like that. I don't like those other ones. I gotta do those ones with Aaron from Super Pod Saga.

[00:02:37] Yeah, so just recently we announced that I am now the co-host of Super Pod Saga with Aaron and Aaron and I got silly and thought it would be a good idea to start yet another podcast, Retro Rehab, that's focused on all things retro.

[00:02:55] So yeah, we are masochists at heart, I think. We just like having our shows to talk about different things with people. See what's funny is I have like three very different co-hosts, then you have two shows with Aaron.

[00:03:08] I know. And if- and like at the time of this recording we're recording Super Ghost tonight and Greg is on vacation so it's me and Beth, but Aaron's gonna hop on.

[00:03:18] And if for some reason Beth is like, oh I don't feel good, I'm sick, it's just gonna be another Aaron and Jerry adventure on a different fucking stream.

[00:03:26] I mean the best is still when we did the Super Pod special, everyone go check that out on the Super Pod Network YouTube channel by the way. It was literally a double date between you and Aaron and me and Thrac. It was the funniest thing ever.

[00:03:39] It was a double date, yeah there's candles. I mean you didn't see it because the cameras cut too quick but we all pop- we popped those tops off right after that recording. Like those tops came off. We were like Funko Fusion, yes.

[00:03:55] But before we get off the rails, Alex you just had quite the adventure. Oh yeah I was in Texas for like five days. I spent roughly like two days in Dallas and then the rest of the time in Waco.

[00:04:13] Yeah, the Supreme Court I competed at the National Competition for Irish Dance and I recalled for the first time which is all I wanted. So now I checked that box off the list and I don't want to go to Nationals again. It's too stressful.

[00:04:27] Hell yeah. How many times did you hear I'll tell you what? Please tell me at least once. I definitely heard it a couple of times. Definitely did. I'll tell you what that girl can dance.

[00:04:41] Yeah everyone was really nice down there. I didn't run into any problems or anything. It was really fun. And my two really good friends also recalled as well and we'd all been kind of training and working together so it was really exciting.

[00:04:59] So certified layman here, you want to explain to me in layman terms what the fuck recall means? Oh it means so like when you, so basically like you dance two rounds. Everyone will dance two rounds and then there's a third round.

[00:05:14] And only 50% of the competition makes it to that third round. So in order to do that third round and recall you got to be like the best of your best. And I didn't dance my very best that day so I was really happy to recall.

[00:05:30] I didn't, I mean I was just happy to recall. I didn't really care about how I came in. I know I could have done a lot better but I was very happy because it was the first time I took a mental home from nationals.

[00:05:42] So I was really excited. That's cool as hell. Congratulations. Thank you. Then we went to Waco and Waco is really fun. They made Dr. Pepper in there which I didn't realize. There was a museum so we got to see creepy Dr. Pepper man.

[00:05:59] There was a wax figure and he was scared. He was scary. He was in a wax box. That sounds like a sleep paralysis demon. I'll put him in the server. Either that or like, either that or it's like a Hideo Kojima character. Hi, I'm Dr. Pepperman.

[00:06:22] Alex, just find like a creepy photo of it and just put it in one of the super pod sockets channels just completely randomly. No context and then just leave it. I'll do that. I'll find the photo.

[00:06:34] I took a bit but yeah you did like low glass box and then our mom was like take a picture of them. I'm like no not taking a picture with the creepy guy in a box. Thank you. Yeah, it was fun. I'm glad to be back.

[00:06:48] Who is in the window still? She didn't miss me at all. Oh, this is an animal. I thought like you came home to shit in your window and I was like that's not great. No, no. Yeah.

[00:07:00] I was like don't know how to talk to a cat. Her name's Blue. So when I say poo it's, I'm referring to the cat. I'm glad I'm up to speed now. You're welcome.

[00:07:10] I'm living in some dystopian fucking city where you just come home and say, ah there's shit on the windows again. Shit on the windows again. She doesn't do that in the window but she does like lick the windows for some reason.

[00:07:24] I hope she doesn't shit in the window. She can be a window looker all she likes. Thankfully she shits in the box not the window. Hell yeah. That's the best place for shit I think. A little shit. I'm not saying that Bill all the time, right Bill?

[00:07:40] Yeah when I went to go feed her. I just walk in open the door and I just hear this cat screaming. I mean I'm like oh she's hungry again. Yeah.

[00:07:47] You can hear the inhuman noise that she makes too when she has to be put into her carrier to go somewhere. This is great. So I'm glad I wasn't the only person who experienced it. It was like a human scream. It's scary. Right?

[00:08:00] It's like one of those Peruvian fucking death flutes or whatever they're called. Yeah. No not Peruvian. It's like an Aztec thing right? The Aztec death flute or death horn. You just breathe into it and it's like ahhh. It sounds like someone's screaming like it's insane. Yep.

[00:08:21] Well Alex was enjoying that. I was up here in New England where it rained every single day. Oh yeah, it rains good. Yeah. Well not up here. We've had too much rain honestly. And like it's now we're just kind of waterlogged.

[00:08:35] But yeah it was raining and muggy out so it was just kind of like gross. And I had literally every one of my bills hit me at once this month. So I have no money.

[00:08:45] So I've been literally just like I was like I'm just doing nothing this entire weekend. And I just watched anime all day. Those nice living in Connecticut bills are great. Oh man. But yeah, other than that you guys been playing anything recently or sure have.

[00:09:04] And it's going to fit right into this episode. Conquer's Bad Fur Day. Oh yes. Yes. And I will say before we get started here Alex, you know again I just want to congratulate you on your dance thing.

[00:09:21] And that was the last time I'm going to be nice to you on this because the last time we ended off you slided the N64. Yeah as I should. We're going to ask this out today. I will make you a believer by the end of this.

[00:09:38] No no no. I'm sorry but I've played it and it just was not fun. We haven't done our retry though where Bill got a different controller that may make me like it but I don't know I'm feeling doubtful.

[00:09:53] I will also have a proper game room and we won't be in your apartment with a box like full of N64 games that I could carry at the time.

[00:10:01] Well, I will say I'll just wish you good luck but you're going to need it because you're not going to convince me that it's a good console. At this point we already have the N64 Defense Force building up where we've got Dave from our member 64 we've got Jerry.

[00:10:16] We've got Josh from Still Loading we've got. I convinced Josh by the end of that day that the Jaguar was better. Oh yeah Jerry didn't hear Jerry Jerry didn't hear the story about Retro World.

[00:10:30] So there was we had met up with Josh from Still Loading podcast over at Retro World the previous year, and we were just hanging around the convention because the Retro World is basically like a giant like swap meet for gamers.

[00:10:46] And we had found this one booth that literally was selling a bunch of consoles but they had one of the towers that had consoles on it literally had a Jaguar and an N64 just sitting next to each other.

[00:10:57] Now it's like I saw this and I'm like, oh, like this is interesting. So they both get into this like, shick just basically being Alex is like Jaguar is the best and Josh is like no, no N64.

[00:11:10] And they were going back and forth and the lady running the booth came over multiple times and just kind of like thought she was trying to like make a sale but then she like just kind of stared at them didn't know what to say and then just walked away and then came back and they were still going and like I'm just watching this entire thing and I'm just like

[00:11:28] It went over quite a while. They're like, are you gonna buy it? And you're like, nah, I just like your pretty consoles. I like your consoles but just that console not that one that ugly flat one can go fuck itself.

[00:11:40] The one that looks like a turlet is the one I like. Looks like a what? Have you ever seen the photo of the Jaguar with the CD attachment on it? Oh yeah. It looks like a toilet. The funniest console designs ever. Yeah, wow.

[00:11:58] And still you think the N64. Wow. It is better. I understand the N64 was outsold by everything at that point in the console generation. But I feel like there's, I don't know, there's something about the N64 that's like different. You know, Stockholm syndrome is a thing. I understand.

[00:12:27] You know, I've always... It was bad and you've just accepted it's bad but you're not gonna believe it. Okay, here's what I'll ask because let's make this very clear. If we walk away from this podcast today and you don't have a sliver of interest or you're

[00:12:45] swaying at all in the other direction for the N64, you'll have a third part of this episode. We will put you on trial. Well that'll be... That'll be N64 we visited where we bring in Dave, we bring in...

[00:13:00] Maybe I can get in Quest, maybe I can get Josh. I think Thrax on Alex's side because of course he is. If you bring in Quest 64, Mike, someone's getting roasted. You know, I finally met him and he is a very nice man. He is hilarious.

[00:13:16] I love Quest 64, Mike. But yeah, that'll be a... I'm gonna have to like, kidnap her and just like make her play on N64 for an entire day. It's very easy to find her. What's the joke last time that you were just gonna waterboard her until she liked N64?

[00:13:33] I'm gonna have to change the locks on my house. It won't help. No. We'll find ways. Life finds a way. I will say just to tie up this N64 discussion before we move on to other topics, I will say the N64 though out of every console,

[00:13:54] like every popular console I should say, seems to be... Why you? Seems to be the one console that has the most polarizing like split in its like fan base. You don't get this split with like the PlayStation or even like the Xbox in the Xbox.

[00:14:13] Dude, even the Saturn, like even now, like have you noticed lately people are like, Hey, how come no one told us Sega Saturn kicks ass? And it's like, dude, the Sega Saturn always kicked ass. Just nobody fucking knew about it really.

[00:14:27] Like I did not grow up knowing one person that had a Saturn. It was either PlayStation or N64, but now like as an adult, I explore the Saturn library and I'm like, this system is amazing. There's so many good games on the Saturn. Oh yeah.

[00:14:43] It is me and Alex had covered it earlier. Like let... I mean, I'll defend the Jaguar because the Jaguar is, I mean, I'm the 3D O guy. I love obscure crappy consoles from the 90s, but the Jaguar is an interesting console. It has some really good games.

[00:15:01] It's just you got to dig through some shit to find them. Yeah, like that. What was that penguin game you were talking about? That's a great game. That is a great game. Attack of the Mutant Penguins is actually a really good game. Teenage Mutant Ninja Penguins.

[00:15:17] No, it's a good game. It's a tower defense that's surprisingly really good. Don't knock it till you try it. I tried the N64, okay? So I did not get... I'll admit though, like that the little sub like section of games

[00:15:36] that you had to experience weren't very good because I did not have... A, we were struggling on time and B, I only could bring so much stuff. And unfortunately this is one thing I will say.

[00:15:47] A lot of the games that I really like for N64 are single player games. And it's really hard to pull out the good multiplayer games, especially because Alex isn't a big first person shooter. Well, you're not a first person shooter person.

[00:16:01] So it's like GoldenEye isn't going to do anything for you. I'll tell you what's a really good co-op game to throw on that. I mean, it's not going to be on everybody's list. And I think that's probably a good thing because you probably have this expectation of like,

[00:16:15] okay, he's going to show me the Zelda and he's going to show me the Mario and he's going to show me the Mario Kart and the Mario Party and all those things, which is fine. But you should probably check out Goman's Great Adventure because that would...

[00:16:28] That is a fantastic... It's a side scroller. So like, I don't know what you have against side scroller. Do you like a side scroller? I like a side scroller. Okay, there, okay. See, there we go. We'll make a progress. But what? It's like, you're so... I don't understand.

[00:16:49] It's the controller. I don't like it. So with Goman's Great Adventure, you get to use the D-pad. Can you throw the controller away and get a new one? No. So when we do the revisit, I got her one of those HoriPad. Like it's not an official one.

[00:17:08] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not an actual controller. It's not an actual controller, but it's one of the ones that looks like an actual controller. It looks like an actual controller. I mean, so... That's the disconnect. The disconnect is the controller. Yeah, I mean, I'll...

[00:17:26] I like the N64, but I will agree. I hate the controller. It's not my favorite by any means. It's weird, for sure. I mean, James Rolfe said it best. It was weird then and it's weird now. I've seen that controller.

[00:17:40] I don't even know what to do with this. I don't know where to hold this. I don't know how to hold it. Didn't know what the purpose of any of it was. There were so many buttons, like C-buttons. I was like, what does this mean?

[00:17:52] What are these for? And there's arrows on them and stuff. They're not actually labeled as a child. I couldn't comprehend it, but as a child as well within five minutes of picking it up and trying Mario 64, I got it. But I've seen people hold that controller super weird.

[00:18:15] Oh my God, I've seen people just... aim that thing up. My favorite are the... Do two controllers. Oh yeah, the twin sticking it, because you can do that on certain games. In GoldenEye, you can do that, yeah. See, my favorite is like the hand stretchers

[00:18:30] who will have it. Across the D-pad? Over and I'm just like, yeah, that's comfortable. I had a friend, again, when we were kids when our hands were tiny, do that. It looked insane. It looked like he was literally had his whole hand around trying to...

[00:18:49] You could just see the strain marks across his thumb because he's just trying so hard to get that wingspan. But yeah, it's a weird controller for sure. But if that is... If that's the only thing... If you can play it in Buckbumble. Okay, let Buckbumble go.

[00:19:07] That was a joke that you just took too hard. That was a terrible game. Poor Buckbumble. You can play horrible games. That song still lives in my brain and I can't... It won't escape. It's always there. Beat to the block to the Bumble.

[00:19:23] When Bill was living in my house, I used to like put my phone under his door and just start playing it in the mornings. So did you... Did you hear about how Quest 64 Mike is on like a mission to try to find out who the singer was

[00:19:39] on that track? And nobody knows who he is. He has no credit. He's been on a mission for years to try to uncover who this man is. And all he has to go by is that he is apparently named DJ Sisko. Huh. That's it. That's all I got.

[00:19:57] So listeners out there that are listening to this episode, if you know the whereabouts, name, blood type, social security number of the man who sang in Buckbumble, please, please reach out to someone, anyone. He's... He's missed. We want to give him the credit. He needs his flowers. No.

[00:20:17] I think everyone... He's gone for a reason because that song is terrible. Wow. That's why he doesn't want to be found. You should show Alex the impact theme from Mystical Ninja 64. That's a good song. Oh, no. I did show her the...

[00:20:37] I did show her the opening to that game because it's literally an anime opening. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. I find... Goemon games are an easy recommend for me because... they have that charm and stuff and every opportunity

[00:20:55] I can find to talk about Goemon, I'm going to do it. And Alex, have you ever played any of the Goemon games? Have I? No. I showed her the intro to Mystical Ninja story going on. Maybe it's Bill's fault because he didn't pick the game. Look,

[00:21:15] at the time we did not have a great setup for that. Like I had to... I had to bring everything in a trunk at the time. Is it Bill's fault? You don't like the N64? It might be, honestly. Are the tables turning here?

[00:21:31] Well, it's the controller and Bill. Honestly, I think the problem is mostly the controller because a lot of her misery during that experience was she just hated the controller. Yeah. Yeah, I mean you could just get one of those...

[00:21:47] If I make her dance, I don't want to play it. That's a problem. I was also really limited on because we didn't have a lot of time so I couldn't do a Mario Party or a couple of the better multiplayer games. So I was kind of limited to

[00:22:01] racers and fighting games. And unfortunately, fighting games on the N64 aren't amazing. And Alex doesn't like Smash Brothers. It's just not her style of game. There's three really good ones. I like fighters. The thing is, too, is me and Bill I really like fighting games. Yeah.

[00:22:21] I'm just good at... I wouldn't say I'm great, but I always can beat Bill which is always a plus for me. I also suck though. Yeah, so it makes it more fun experience for me. So I like playing the fighting games and then the N64 didn't have

[00:22:35] any which is my main draw on a lot of those games. I didn't have any at the time because I think the only one I had was Smash Brothers and Smash Brothers is like the one fighting game Alex doesn't like Smash Brothers is nothing like any fighting game.

[00:22:49] No. I get distracted too easily. I have squirrel brain and I just can't keep track of who I am. So I can't play Smash because I do a lot. There's two more fighting games on the N64 definitely worth checking out. Obviously, Killer Instinct Gold

[00:23:07] is a fantastic fighting game. Oh, sorry. You broke your chair? This is the second time it's happened. Didn't you break your chair the last time we had Jerion? Maybe. Just breaking chairs. I was just like, I hate the N64 rips chair arm off. No, I didn't do anything.

[00:23:29] I just leaned on it. It's either that or this is her nervous way out of this conversation where it's like, oh, shit, he's trying to convince me good fighting games. Oh, my chair is broken. Look at this. I was standing desk.

[00:23:45] So I just raise it high and then hide under the desk. So that's my high. Why would you just disconnect the call? Because this isn't how Alex works. He's got to be different about it. I'm a weirdo. I thought you knew this. Yeah, I'm really sad.

[00:24:01] I broke my chair. Well, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, you know, sad to hear that your chair is broken. But I'm not going to do that. Your chair is broken. But killerings that gold is fantastic. And so is flying dragon flying dragon.

[00:24:19] We talked about the dragon super good, man. It's like a fighting game with RPG elements. It is such a weird idea, but it's pretty good. I own both of those now. So hopefully when we do finally go revisiting this. All right. When we do the revisit you

[00:24:39] can you ask the N64 defense force what games I should play and then they can pick and then I'll pick them and then that's way when I tell them that still sucks. It's going to be a hard battle, Jerry. It's going to be a very difficult battle.

[00:24:57] Still stinks. Then they can't say, well, you didn't pick the right game. So there we go. So here's what we have to do. Here's what I'm thinking. What's your favorite controller? I don't know. We have a whole retrospective of controllers, but I didn't know what to say.

[00:25:15] Well, because Alex likes to play handheld because in her own words she likes to have the screen three inches from her face. Yes. So my favorite controller is the joy card. Sorry. I can't see. I'm blind. I can't see. I'm blind. Even with my glasses. The joy cons?

[00:25:41] The joy cons. They're good. I like them. Alex is just great. I can put them right on. Put them right on. The switch and then I can just play it with the screen right there. It's great. I can bring it wherever I want to go. That PlayStation one.

[00:26:03] That's the one. That's the winner. The joy cons. Over Super Nintendo controller even. Okay. I like the Jaguar controller too. Okay. Yeah. That checks out. She loves the sound. She likes to push all 12 buttons that don't do anything. The next thing she's going to say is

[00:26:29] if you know what's a really underrated control so Nokia engage. Now that was game I like. No else. What was really nice the spoon from the CD. Yeah. You've never held one of those in your life. I wish I could. It's like she's like a spoon.

[00:26:47] Have you seen so the CD. I has a controller that literally should. Oh right. That seems like a really nice controller. Yeah, does it? Okay. Okay. Low key though I do want it. This one works really well too. A mouse? A keyboard.

[00:27:09] You know like when I play the stick. Well do I have good news for you? What? You can play N64 with a mouse and keyboard. I. Alex is like does not compute. Wait isn't that the oh no. I just hear like the dial up tone.

[00:27:26] No, a window just opened up an internet window opened up. Oh boy now she's getting on her desk. I'm scared. All right. Well before Alex breaks the podcast any farther let's move on from the N64 now. So oh god she is actually disappearing.

[00:27:46] Bill you need to make this a video episode. Oh it will be. Oh god. How far she go. She's going to knock her computer desk over and this is going to be the end of the podcast. I was just here. So well.

[00:28:06] This is what I put up with every week. Not every week. I love how you can hear is like. Like moving down. Oh, there we go. There we go. She's just ascending from like the depth of N64 hell now.

[00:28:30] It's like when a news anchor has that sweeping shot where it's like hello I am Alex for 5 o'clock news. This just in I fucking love the Joycons. I hate Gantt 64. Back over to you Bill. So let's move on now from that.

[00:28:49] I believe at the end of the last episode we did we kind of left off around the fifth generation of consoles. And we didn't really get into like PS2 onward I believe so where would you guys like to start dealers choice.

[00:29:10] I mean PS2 is a fantastic console I could talk all day long about the PS2. I say maybe yeah let's talk about the PS2 because it did kind of steamroll this entire generation. Pretty much.

[00:29:23] But look I do have a lot of love for some of the other ones in that console generation but like yeah. It is the PS2 just fucking dominated it. It is a great generation but it is the literal console generation definition of a curb stop like.

[00:29:40] Like the gap between so PS2 is up here Xbox is down here Gamecube's down and the pits of hell down there because it didn't sell that well at all. But for Dreamcast didn't have a chance. Yeah PS2 though.

[00:29:57] So I have to ask were you like one of the many people who got a PS2 and it was mostly a DVD player at first did you actually buy it for games right away. No I got it for games when I got mine.

[00:30:10] Yeah it was Christmas and I got Tony Hawk 4 I think was the one that I got with that one and then Vice City. Those were like the two big ones.

[00:30:25] So it was actually kind of funny we had I was talking PS2 with my co-host Matt over on Geek Addicts a while back.

[00:30:34] One of the things he had brought up was he had mentioned that he had gotten a copy of ATV awkward fury to with his PS2 and he was like that was pretty much the launch title everyone had.

[00:30:48] And then he asked me what launch title did I get and my response was it was a whole bunch of nothing because original PS2 you got shit for like a launch title. Oh yeah. Yeah, you get that phantom vision. We didn't get anything like a fireworks simulator.

[00:31:05] The original PS2 is legit you got nothing for like packets you literally got a console. It was like have fun. Yeah, there was nothing for a bit. Yeah honestly PS2 like when you look at console launches like PS2's launch wasn't that great.

[00:31:22] So it was pretty nothing but it had a DVD player and DVD players were expensive at the time so everyone bought one. Yeah.

[00:31:33] I'm trying to remember because PS2 was around the time where I started to like kind of buy games out of my own money like money that I like I had a better sense of money then and I realized that like oh shit some of these are expensive.

[00:31:53] And then like some of them were cheap. But like sometimes I felt like the majority the ones that I wanted were always super expensive. But I'll never forget I have a really cool memory with the PS2.

[00:32:06] I had a I had a tailbone surgery when I was like, I want to say 16 ish and I remember getting out of it because it was just like a day surgery but I was like fucked up on morphine and shit.

[00:32:21] And I just remember my parents being like do you want anything like before we go back home like when McDonald's or some shit and I was like, I want video games. And that's what I want.

[00:32:31] And they were like, okay, it checks out you're gonna be on your stomach for the next two months. So yeah, let's go get you some video games and I fucking shuffle my way into this GameStop. And I'm like blasted on morphine.

[00:32:44] And the guy is like hey how's it going? I'm like, I want scary games man. And he's like, huh? And I'm like, yeah man I want some scary games.

[00:32:51] And for whatever reason, I ended up picking up Siren which is one of the most unnerving games on the PS2. And I also picked up Draken Guard, which wasn't a scary game but I was just like this looks cool. Look at this guy in the front. He's cool.

[00:33:10] Got dragons and shit. Yeah, that game not that good. But I mean, it was okay at the time but I just remember like laying in bed on my stomach playing Siren and it being like one of the most terrifying experiences ever.

[00:33:25] And like I couldn't look away because I'm like on my stomach playing like my arms are hanging over like the edge of the bed. And it was just awful but amazing at the same time.

[00:33:38] Siren is one of those games where it was very early in like the PS2. So Siren Fun Fact was made by the guy that was partially responsible for Silent Hill. And that was such an early point in like 3D graphics for these kind of games.

[00:33:54] They didn't really know how to do like human models yet. So Siren has some of the most uncanny unnerving like it's human weird man.

[00:34:03] Like because they're like pre rendered kind of but also yeah they did like essentially they just did the same thing that like rare did with gold. And I like where they took real people's faces and just stuck them on polygons.

[00:34:15] But like with Siren, I guess where it was like a generational step.

[00:34:19] They did the same thing but also just kind of like add the polygons like move with the I don't know how they really did because I don't know if it was a mocap thing or what it was.

[00:34:28] But like even now going back and playing that like I threw that on like last month and I was like this game man this still is like pretty like not a good time for your time. It is.

[00:34:41] It's weird because I don't think it's scary as much as it's just like unsettling and kind of unnerving. Yeah, it's just like you're constantly like I don't feel good about what's happening right now.

[00:34:52] And like yeah there's not a lot of like jump scares really like that's not what that game is aiming to do is to do like the loud jump scare stuff. It's more of just like the atmosphere is just yeah like just it's crazy.

[00:35:09] And how good it stands up even now. I'm surprised that they haven't. Well, I guess that that was I think Japan Studios. It was Team Siren which was based off so it was a studio within Japan Studios.

[00:35:25] It later became Team Gravity and they made the Gravity Rush games. They did. I didn't know that same team. It's actually kind of interesting but they made three Siren games. We never got the second one. The second one's legitimately terrifying like that game is fucking not siren too.

[00:35:41] Yeah, forbidden siren siren to whatever it's called. Yeah, I think that one only released in Europe. I think Europe and Japan. I believe yeah but I yeah I've heard that it's like insane.

[00:35:52] I should yeah it's legitimately terrifying and then we also got a remake of one called siren like blood money or something. Blood money. 50 cent blood in the sand. It's the siren blood curse. It was like blood money.

[00:36:13] That was on PS3 and that was in like it was like an episodic thing. That was very scary. Europe got a complete physical edition which of course they didn't we didn't because they fucking hate us over here. I know. Yeah, apparently that one's not as good though.

[00:36:30] Yeah, like I feel like some of the episodes like the one where you're playing is like the little girl and I think it's in a hospital. Holy shit. That one is rough.

[00:36:42] But some of them are just kind of like it's whatever but so funny enough I have not played siren too. So I've always wanted to go and try that one out. So I think I might have to throw that on one.

[00:36:58] Doon ish but I kind of want to beat siren because I've never beat siren either so I kind of want to beat that first. So yeah, go ahead.

[00:37:07] I was going to say what's kind of funny is like I was thinking back on like what the first thing we put in our ps2 was and we didn't have games right away so I vividly remember the first thing Alex watched in a ps2 was a Sailor Moon DVD.

[00:37:22] Yes. What else would you watch? What else would you put in? So I just I love Sailor Moon. I fucking love Sailor Moon. Wonderful. I have memories of and here's the thing. I feel like there was a stigma when we were like I was a child.

[00:37:45] You know this is a long time ago that you know if you watch Sailor Moon like it was almost like you know boys are watching Transformers and fucking mummies alive and Power Rangers and shit like this and it's like you watch Sailor Moon.

[00:38:00] I'm like do you understand how fucking badass Sailor Moon is? Are you guys not watching the same thing I'm watching because what happened was I would go home for lunch in like I think it was like great.

[00:38:13] And when I would go home for lunch like the only thing on was Sailor Moon.

[00:38:21] There was two episodes back to back on my lunch break everything else was like fucking the Mori Povic show and like the prices right and shit like that and I'm like I don't want to watch that while I'm eating my Pete's pockets man.

[00:38:32] I want to I want to watch some cartoons so Sailor Moon was the only thing but dude Sailor Moon is awesome. I fucking love Sailor Moon. I still know the Sailor Venus Venus Venus. Sailor Mercury. Yeah I'm still I'm still in there living rent free. Good good good.

[00:38:51] Did you ever watch the reboot? No. No. It's probably been this. I would keep yeah if you haven't watched it or like read the manga then just keep watching the original to watch the reboot. I will not watch the reboot.

[00:39:13] Yeah because the original is great but some good things to but it also had some terrible 3D animation. And then speaking of terrible 3D animation boy were there some stickers on the PS2. Oh yeah. You don't you don't get a library that big without a few few missteps.

[00:39:32] Yeah I feel like go ahead. I was gonna say people underestimate just how big the PS2's library is. It's so big man and like I feel like that. It was a long period of time or it was out.

[00:39:46] Yeah because it like the PS1 was kind of like that turning point of like oh there's a lot of license games coming out now. Then the PS2 was like old fucking beer. Let me show you what a lot of license games look like some of them are okay.

[00:40:03] But my god every Pixar movie every fucking Dreamworks movie like every like no name studio movie everything got a PS2 game.

[00:40:15] It's funny because games were so cheap to make back then they just pump these things out left and right now and then we get to like HD and they're like fuck games are expensive we can't make this shit anymore. I know like no license man very rare.

[00:40:29] Have you ever like so I mean Billy you probably remember this kind of thing you know go into a video store or like you know go into a GameStop to go buy a game and back then you didn't really have a lot to go by other than the back of the fucking game or like a magazine screen shot right like that's all you had to go by.

[00:40:50] So do you because I definitely have something do you ever remember a time where you're like oh man this looks super dope and then you bring it home you're like this game sucks.

[00:41:01] So I'm not going to say super dope, but I did buy the finding Nemo game and my god that was a mistake so many levels.

[00:41:11] Keep in mind everybody like we when we PS2 came out me and Alex were so it came on 2000 we were five and four respectively. Oh cool. And then I just reduced to dust.

[00:41:24] Yeah, we were children probably to you probably could have picked up one that seems a lot cooler and then mom probably would have been like no no no you're not buying that game.

[00:41:33] No no no no here's the reason why we got finding Nemo because it was heavily discounted under why. I don't even remember you playing. Because I played it for five minutes and was like this sucks the load times are worse than Sonic 06. Oh god.

[00:41:51] Yeah, I remember I actually remember what game was it because I used to buy a lot of like used games from GameStop and

[00:42:02] I remember picking up it might have been Code Veronica and I got home and I like pop up pop it open didn't pay attention to the disk pop it in I'm like what the hell is this there's like these little penguins and shit on the screen I'm like

[00:42:24] what game is this it was Disgaea three or four or something like that like it was yeah somebody had put a Disgaea game in I mean you kind of got an upgrade there Well depending on who you ask that like those I don't

[00:42:43] gotta fix my chair now I don't think those games are bad or anything I just that's not my kind of game true like you're the horror guy like I am yeah I love goofy RPGs so if I got this guy I'd be like fuck yeah

[00:42:58] yeah and I can't remember if I know I know it was a horror game I don't know if it was it might have been Resident Evil Code Veronica or might actually you know what I might have been it might have been Silent Hill 2

[00:43:11] because I remember that okay that's tragic yeah and because I remember it being a very big let down and then when I went back

[00:43:19] they they accused they were like no like you definitely just I was like dude this is how I got it like this is how it was but the other thing is to the like kind of speaking about RPGs with Disgaea

[00:43:35] there's a lot of really cool RPGs on the PS2 and I feel like a lot of people kind of dismissed it because it like it didn't have I mean the spectacle the absolute spectacle of RPGs on the Super Nintendo and the PS1

[00:43:51] it was just like one after the other after the and like even the ones that were like mediocre back then by those standards even now like you throw them on you're like why why was nobody talking about all these other ones

[00:44:03] but I feel like there's a lot on PS2 that nobody talks about either like one of my favorite ones is Rogue Galaxy have you played that I've played it Alex I'm pretty sure she's like this is not her forte for games at the moment

[00:44:19] it's by level 5 if I have Bill would know she hasn't played Rogue Galaxy might actually like it though because it does have some one piece as good vibes to it oh it's it's pretty anime like it's it's definitely that and it's like it's an action RPG

[00:44:38] and it's it's got a really fun combat and like you you run around with like two party members following you and part of the reason why I even discovered that game was even as far back as the PS2

[00:44:53] I was searching the internet for quote-unquote games like Secret of Mana and that was one of them it was people were like this is basically 3d Secret of Mana because you get there's a bunch of characters that you can get

[00:45:07] but you always have two following you and you can switch between them like whenever you want and use their abilities and stuff it's really good it's pretty long but it's it's a really good game

[00:45:18] it was honestly a better mana game than the mana game that came out on PS2 yeah I know Donna man is okay it's it's weird because it's like it's a decent game but it's just not a mana game

[00:45:31] no it definitely I mean the after Legend of Mana things just kind of went in the in the shitter for that series but here's hoping visions of like visions of mana for me is like day one that's a day one on play and that shit

[00:45:47] like I might be sick that day for work kind of thing we didn't hear it here you sure did I I'll put it out there in the universe I don't care but so yeah I was gonna say another famous thing from the PS2 that we should bring up

[00:46:07] did you experience the eye toy no you never experienced the wonders of the eye toy I did not what a shame I remember wanting one but never ever Bill has two I have two because one was it one was Alex's because we got

[00:46:23] why we had two I don't know since we shared the same TV what happened was our mother had bought the bundles because they had like these bundle sets and she got

[00:46:33] I got the eye toy anti-grab game developed by harmonics of all fucking companies that think about that one for a minute yeah the rhythm the rhythm game guys made a hover board racing game and then Alex got the eye toy groove which was like this very typical

[00:46:53] no offense to a no offense to our mother but it was the very typical I have doctor what game would she like this one's pink with dancing that one if it was pink it was usually bought for me

[00:47:07] and he had the Barbie games oh yeah all of them she played it once and never touched it again and she was more interested in Sega superstars which was the the best I toy game in my opinion because it was all Sonic games will Sega games like

[00:47:21] there was a crazy taxi game which was literally you just have to jump around like a fucking psychopath and that's how you get really yeah it is at least I think that's what you're supposed to do it was very unclear

[00:47:34] the eye toy is really funny to me because it is literally the connect before the connect it didn't work for shit and honestly the connect yeah the connect either

[00:47:44] but I was like because I remember when I saw the connect and everyone was hyping it up they were like oh yeah this is this is the future Microsoft is showing their prowess and I'm like Sony tried this already it sucked

[00:47:54] like did we forget about the eye toy that fast yes I will say the connect was at least a bit more functional but it still wasn't good yeah the eye toy did not work at the time

[00:48:09] well then and then they they kept going with it PlayStation was like now let's try it again let's try it again on the PS fucking three now let's try to get on the PS4

[00:48:18] and let's do it again on the PS5 listen let's just keep trying it let's keep trying it but the PS Vita now put that thing in the garbage we don't want that we don't want that thing but let's keep trying out cameras and shitty technology

[00:48:28] yeah the Vita they're like oh yeah let's throw out this handheld that's really awesome and impressive but what we have to actually make games for it like that like what RPG fans aren't going to carry at this time fuck throw it away it's useless uh RIP Vita

[00:48:45] yes Vita what a what a console oh man yeah PS2 was nuts though like legit like it ran all the way until like 20s I think it was officially discontinued 2016 yeah it was something crazy like it was like it was like a running joke

[00:49:03] as people are like are they ever gonna just like say hey we're done with the PS2 and then finally I was like wasn't even that long it was like eight years ago or something

[00:49:11] yeah it was it was still go like when they discontinued I was like oh it's still they're still making them that's yeah the only thing that was getting put on those was like other licensed games and like sports games madden games yeah

[00:49:24] I think the last game came out in 2014 and I believe it was a soccer game sounds about right that sounds super right it's just so funny when you think about how good that console sold

[00:49:38] I'm pretty sure I'm convinced a like a fraction of the the actual total PS2 sold never played a game in there and so there's their entire life yeah no they were just DVD players yeah because they were cheaper than some you know

[00:49:56] so I've said it before like we lived in a very Nintendo heavy like neighborhood like because I swear I was like the one kid that had a PS2 for gaming at the time because like everyone had like a GameCube or like there was the rare Xbox owner

[00:50:10] but I always remember like I go over their house and I'd see the PS2 on the shelf like oh PS2 you got any games and they're like oh no that's just our DVD player I feel like I knew people like that too yeah

[00:50:20] it was funny like it's like it's amazing how like that console literally came out at the perfect time and just dominated but I will say this as much as I love the PS2 this console generation my heart belongs to the GameCube

[00:50:39] the GameCube was good it's funny to me that people better than the N64 for sure anyways I hate you what to me the thing with the this error too is a lot of people forget the PS2 was like technically the weakest console not counting the Dreamcast

[00:50:59] it's not fair to really critique the Dreamcast for any of this stuff Dreamcast is in the corner like hey hey hey hey throw some respect on the Dreamcast it's a good I like the Dreamcast I'm pretty sure

[00:51:14] retrospectively everybody loves the Dreamcast just because it is like literally the little console that tried so hard yeah he's the little engine that could well no he's the little engine that couldn't that couldn't

[00:51:27] he's the little engine that could play burned off CDs and then eventually crash the company he's the little engine that like this thing is great what's this DVDs fuck this shit like you know it's bad when Seiko was like

[00:51:44] if you sign up for our internet service we'll give you one what you still don't want it okay you know what killed the Dreamcast you guys do you remember the did you ever see one of the autographed Fred Durst Dreamcasts get the fuck out of here right now

[00:52:06] that you can look find these on eBay Fred Durst signed like so Fred Durst had like a partnership with Saganet and he was a big Dreamcast guy apparently but there is a bunch of signed Fred Durst Dreamcasts that you can buy and it is like the weirdest thing

[00:52:23] and I always joke or some people like that kind of kills the value of it but none like fuck you hey let's see let's see let's see where can I buy one where can I buy one wonder if I type this into Google and hit shopping

[00:52:37] oh I'm sure you'll find one yeah the Fred Durst autographed Dreamcast I don't I mean I see there's articles about it but I don't actually see any but I need I need this I need this Dreamcast how wild would it be

[00:52:58] to have yeah that's the picture that I was looking at too kind of see it there him just autographing Dreamcat like a thousand Dreamcasts I need that dreamcast oh my god yeah for those who don't know Fred Durst if anyone living under a rock Fred Durst

[00:53:13] this lead singer of Limp Bizkit he's kind of a meme I will say this though I unironically like Limp Bizkit oh their new album was great I don't care what anyone else that album is fucking amazing I love how they like just they're playing into the whole like

[00:53:28] oh you guys like to hate us and it's like their album is called still sucks so if you read it out as Limp Bizkit still sucks and the lead single was Dad Vibes and it is like one of like it is like one of the best songs

[00:53:42] they've put out in a long time yeah it's super good and their videos too have been really good for this album and stuff like I hope that they keep going and like it's cool to see them now again on tour selling out fucking stadiums and shit

[00:53:56] because people are like you know what yeah it was kind of a meme to like hate on Limp Bizkit but now people are like you know what kind of miss Limp Bizkit well I mean I get it because Fred Durst kind of has a punchable face

[00:54:07] and like you kind of want to hate him kind of a douchey dude yeah he's actually like I watched I think it was an interview with him with Bill Maher and he was like super nice and chill and like well spoken

[00:54:21] and I was like he's an incredibly intelligent dude yeah and like doesn't doesn't drink doesn't smoke like he was just like yeah man like all the things that people think about him are like not true and he was like we started making music

[00:54:36] like the Limp Bizkit music for people to rebel against like the jocks and shit and he was like and now look down I see all these jocks screaming our lyrics and he was like ah fuck we messed up oh boy but um going back over to

[00:54:54] Gamecube because I don't want to Limp Bizkit Gamecube is literally like the console that I envied as a kid because I mean ironically PS2 was the better option in reality just in terms of game library Gamecube had so many amazing games so many and like dude

[00:55:18] I'll never forget I was so like nope I got my PS2 I'm good to go and my other friend had a Gamecube and I remember one time he was like he was like really hype about this game that was coming out

[00:55:33] and he was picking it up and I was like yeah man I'm still not sold on it that doesn't seem like a good game to me with no con I just was not basing this on anything other than the fact that I was like all in on PS2

[00:55:48] and then another game comes out and he's like dude you gotta see this game and I'm like yeah I don't know next time I come over I'm bringing it and he was like dude it's so small so another fun fact Gamecube was really fun

[00:56:03] to just grab and had a fucking handle for Christ's sake you can literally just bring it to your friend's house wrap the cords around it and just hold it with the handle only had joy cons I will say though like I always pictured

[00:56:23] bringing the console to a friend's house back in the day the Gamecube people are flexing their lunchbox fans lugging this fucking behemoth with their tube massive with their Duke controllers which are just as big as the Gamecube I mean great that PS2 wasn't very portable either

[00:56:44] it was just an awkward brick like a multi-layered brick so he finally comes over with this Gamecube and he hooks it up and he's like alright I'm showing you these two games because you've been hating on them for no reason so he pops in Metroid Prime

[00:57:05] it was like an almost immediate physical reaction of like this is this looks good this yeah this is oh shit this looks real good man and then he was like so the other game that you've been hating on for so long Wind Waker

[00:57:22] because I was like that's not my Zelda I don't want no cartoony Zelda get that out of my life and he left my house and I went to my parents I was like how could I have a Gamecube I want a Gamecube right now

[00:57:40] well your birthday is coming up but how expensive is it I was like doesn't matter to your wallet I must have this you know I still will say though like people always I know retrospectively now everyone loves Wind Waker

[00:57:55] but back in the day people always crapped on it and my favorite thing to point out was that Wind Waker has literally the most expressive link in the entire series personality wise 100% and what's crazy is that art style still holds up now it still looks really really good

[00:58:13] even if you play on the original Gamecube it just looks fucking good I will say like from this the Gen 6 like this era literally was like the start of Cell Shading because even going back to the Dreamcast JetGrid Radio still looks good

[00:58:34] and it's not the greatest game I like it but it's definitely a very niche kind of game but it looks amazing Cell Shading has held up so well I think it's for PlayStation 2 like Slide 1, 2 and 3 there was a ton of Cell Shading it's just such a unique look

[00:58:55] that just holds up so much better than like the hyper realistic stuff yeah because I feel like if you could do it right it just looks like cartoons and it's just like a good style so yeah I 100% agree and going back and looking at Wind Waker now

[00:59:13] it still looks awesome to me like it hasn't aged I mean if you don't have the proper TV or setup to play something on Gamecube it looks amazing running through an upscaler I've seen Gamecube running through a RetroTink 4K with it getting upscaled to 4K

[00:59:37] and then adding like the scanline filters it looks insane I would say that crispness of that look but if you're adverse to that, you could check out the HD remake and it just looks fantastic it's so good

[00:59:58] I hated on Cell Shading and that cartoony look for so long until I actually put my hands on Wind Waker and I was like oh never mind I get this now this is something else it's kind of funny because the Zelda fan

[01:00:13] the one thing I will give the Zelda fan bases they are consistent because Alex knows about this game because this is actually a rare Zelda game she played but years later down the line they did the same thing with the Link's Awakening remake

[01:00:28] with the really like cartoony kind of art style and I was like this looks great back to that one video Jeff Gerstman on Giant Bomb he was like this is why we can't have nice things because you guys are out there you're worried about

[01:00:46] oh I want my Link to be a wolf and I want to be out there and I want to fuck like a wolf and it's like this is why we can't have nice things as soon as they change something like that people bitch

[01:00:58] don't like the look of that but yeah I'm much more open to the look and style of things these days same thing with that new Zelda that got announced the one where he plays as Prince of Zelda

[01:01:13] a lot of people were like what the fuck are they doing they're making you play as Zelda what the fuck this is and I'm like you know what I shit on Zelda so many times for them doing weird things like Wind Waker's art style

[01:01:28] Phantom Hourglass's control scheme with the stylus I shit on that and then when I finally picked it up and played it I was like oh never mind I get it Nintendo has a way of like I don't know they're the most gimmicky game company ever

[01:01:46] but they work with their gimmicks so well like they go all in on something man even your stupid fucking joy cons like they go all in on shit man hey they made a lot of money by selling switches and all those joy cons too

[01:02:01] because I mean people I mean Phil has like six pairs of joy cons cause they fucking break so easily yeah but also people want different colors they wanna switch out the colors I get it Nintendo is very good effective at getting you to waste money, pace and point

[01:02:19] like the 5000 amiibos I have back here oh I thought you were pointing out all your weeps shit that's completely different I was just thinking that's my own choice your biggest weeb shit with the trophy big weeb shit Bill's got that big weeb energy Jeff Gordon

[01:02:46] biggest weeb in the main character I was gonna say though transitioning from like we were talking about Nintendo and how they aren't afraid to make weird decisions like jumping ahead a little bit the DS oh yeah that shit on that thing too

[01:03:04] people thought the DS was gonna be the biggest flop like when it was first announced because I remember because DS was coming out and it was like oh my god PlayStation Portable and Sony's gonna do what they did in consoles and just steamroll everybody

[01:03:21] cause Sony was still on top of the world at this point but people really kind of forgot that Nintendo just has a stranglehold on handheld gaming they always will because it's just no matter what like the other companies just don't get it

[01:03:36] like even like the steam deck which is a really awesome piece of hardware it's so niche that like the average casual gamer is not gonna be into that yeah I picked one out and then I sold it and I sold it to build my Mr. FPGA

[01:03:51] like cause I realized that all I had the steam deck for was to play Retro shit emulate all the retro games and then I was like this thing was a lot of money for it to be an emulation machine

[01:04:06] I could probably spend the same amount of money on a Mr. and it's a far better option for covering retro quote-unquote emulation but yeah man like I shit on the DS as well like it was one of those things where I was like

[01:04:26] I'm not into this two screen bullshit like you're not getting me this time Nintendo but I don't know there's something about you're absolutely right they are the one company that actually innovates like the other companies I feel like they innovate with regards to their games their hardware

[01:04:50] not really PlayStation 5 actually the only real innovation that I seen on the PlayStation 5 is the controller the controller is really good like the DualSense is a fantastic controller and it has some really cool features but like it's not that much crazier than the PS4 controller

[01:05:11] like in terms of like innovation it just it's just a more comfortable controller and you know the adaptive triggers are really neat it's a neat thing but like that's one thing out of the entire console if you consider what the like

[01:05:29] Nintendo does or has been doing for the last little like look at the Wii holy shit like going from GameCube which was literally just they were competing with Xbox and PS2 and I guess Dreamcast at that time so it was like it was a time of

[01:05:47] hey look how good our graphics are or in Nintendo's case look how fucking good our water is because the water looked ridiculously good on the GameCube for some reason I don't know why it looks way better on GameCube than it does on any other console

[01:06:02] I always feel so bad for GameCube 2 though because like it legitimately was almost on par with the original Xbox but so many games that era were made with PS2 in mind so a lot of games just were kind of hampered by

[01:06:14] the limitations of the PS2 and you couldn't really see the true prowess of the consoles yeah 100% but yeah I don't know like there's something about how Nintendo just goes about making new hardware and yeah GameCube the Wii massive difference where people are like I don't understand

[01:06:39] what is like what is this thing and then you're just like just try it just try it and see and then as soon as you pick that thing up and play Wii sports like for two seconds you're like this is

[01:06:49] unlike anything I've ever played before like this is something different the Wii was definitely the point in Nintendo's history where they really like like they're advertising campaigns at the time were 100% the most effective I think I've seen in a long time like everybody remembers the famous like

[01:07:09] the two Asian men getting out of the smart car and just knocking on the door and be like we would like to play and then just they made it look so cool and I mean it was at the time granted nowadays you look at it with

[01:07:23] rose colored glasses or that perspective and you're like yeah it's not as great as they made it look but it's still fun like it is I mean I play Wii semi regularly oh yeah Wii sports is good I would argue it's next to Super Mario World

[01:07:43] it's the best pack in since then honestly yeah cause like I was thinking about this like because Nintendo kind of the Wii's ad campaign was so good I think they accidentally like ran themselves into a corner with their ads going forward cause after that their ads

[01:08:01] became so sterile and so just like basic that like the Wii U like no one knew it was a damn console for the longest time yeah they thought it was just like an upgrade for the Wii

[01:08:13] like they thought that was just like oh you just get a pad for the Wii nah my kids already got the Wii so I don't need it yeah but like the Wii U's failure was I think it was a really tough call that Nintendo needed cause

[01:08:25] the switch comes out and switch ad the switch advertisement is a complete step in the right direction cause like everyone knows the iconic like the Joycon click sound like you hear that and it's like oh switch Nintendo ad what do we see in now

[01:08:40] um and I love that Nintendo pretty much well it's funny because like Nintendo is like the direction now is they've just given up on consoles and they're basically like we're just gonna make handhelds period going forward that you can plug into TVs and it's like

[01:08:58] you can see their success cause like the switch literally took their handheld mentality brought it to the console space and it was like hey it works like I legit thought the switch was going to finally dethrone the PS2 as the best selling console of all time

[01:09:13] it came just short like it didn't even beat the DS but it was close like I think if they kept it going for a few more years it might have made it yeah probably um but yeah back to the console what was it the 7th console generation

[01:09:33] we're on well we were kind of transitioning from the 6th into the 7th cause like I mean the Xbox there's not really a lot to say about it it's a great system but Microsoft was so kind of weird during that error yeah I maybe played original

[01:09:55] Xbox once in my life if I'm being honest like I've it's not something that was in my like I didn't have any friends that had one um and by the time I actually did play one I think I just played like Splinter

[01:10:11] Cell in a like a sports game and I was like okay I mean I don't need this this is this is fine I can do without this thing and yeah it just wasn't on my radar at all but now looking back um

[01:10:24] now that I'm trying to achieve the ultimate setup with all these consoles and stuff I definitely want to get an original Xbox because I want like I have a 360 that I have ready that I'm going to do um a mod on and I'm just

[01:10:39] I'm gonna have that loaded up with a bunch of stuff and the thing is you can play the Xbox games on the 360 but not all of them yeah it's very technically a lot of those are just getting emulated through the Xbox it's like a weird

[01:10:56] injection thing so there's compatibility issues so to kind of alleviate that I would like to just have an original Xbox and have that alongside a 360 and kind of go from there I really want a crystal one those crystal ones are really cool yeah um

[01:11:17] I will say before we wrap up on the sixth generation I wanted to bring up have you ever seen the ad for the original Xbox I don't think so Alex have you ever seen the ad for the original Xbox by any chance I don't know

[01:11:32] okay it is one of the most cursed ads I've ever seen through a game console wait is the one with the baby yeah the one where it's the hospital woman and the woman's giving birth and she oh yeah I remember this now she rockets the baby

[01:11:48] into the sky and it ages to an old man and then just lands on his tombstone and it's like what the fuck was that yeah I don't know who was responsible for that they should be fired oh game ads during the sixth generation oh weird

[01:12:09] do you remember the ps3 ads it was just like a white room and people just like doing weird things and then it would just like cut to just be like playstation or there was the one with like the baby doll just sitting in the room

[01:12:23] and it's like all this tech shit was flying around it's like what the fuck is so neat how do you expect like consumers to watch that and go shit man I gotta get a ps3 right now did you see that commercial where they showed off

[01:12:40] the fucking weird baby in a room like how was that supposed to sell the console there's a reason the we won that generation like yeah I will say though like going back like the wrap up like the ps2 ad

[01:12:54] I still think is one of the most effective ads ever because they didn't even advertise the ps2 they advertise the ps6 the ad for ps2 it was like this dystopian future and the literally the console that they get is like

[01:13:07] it's this glowing spear and it just says ps6 on it really yeah it is the weirdest ad but it worked it somehow works it put in really small text also a dvd player I don't even think they did I think it was just

[01:13:26] playstation 2 like the hype for that damn thing alone killed the dream jazz you like dvds buy this you play games later yeah gen 7 though that was a weird time to be a gamer we're talking ps3 that was never the same ps3 with what else did we have

[01:13:52] ps3 xbox 360 the we was there anything else was there any like weird outlier at that time I just kind of think it was the Zebo if you want to count the Zebo oh fuck is the Zebo there's some like weird like

[01:14:10] I think it was like a South American console it was one of those weird discount like mobile phone weird things well in this console generation it was the first time that I owned all three I didn't own a 360 until after it was discontinued

[01:14:29] but I did have a ps3 to we from most of it yep the ps so funny enough that my wife when her and I first started dating I think it was like our first or second Christmas together she was like

[01:14:44] like what should we do for Christmas gifts this year I was like you want to go half on ps3 and then she was like sure sure I was like all right so we we march over we go grab our ps3 and I picked up burnout paradise resistance

[01:15:04] resistance to and I think dead space so you got you got a ps3 when there was games yes I did and then not long after that follow three so like yeah my library of ps3 was like pretty good right out of the gate

[01:15:25] see for us like so we had the we was we need Alex shared the we and then we had a I had a ps3 and I remember for the ps3 because I got it at launch there was fuck all the play for it my game selection was

[01:15:46] motor storm which was the packing good game is not bad Star Wars the complete saga fine game but doesn't show off the system at all and Sonic 06 that was a launch game it was right at the launch window because you got to remember the 360 was a year early

[01:16:10] oh yeah I kind of forgot about that I thought you also had a little big planet no that wasn't until like 2008 that was around the point where the ps3 finally started getting games that were like things actually happened yeah like by the time I got mine

[01:16:28] like within the same year that I had mine that's when like I got on charted I got follow three I got fucking little big planet I got like so many crazy games were starting to come out and I was like oh this is the obvious choice for me

[01:16:43] because at the time like gears I had a buddy that had a 360 and he had like gears of war and stuff like that and he was you know pretty pretty into it and he had showed it to me and like I played

[01:16:54] it and I was like yeah I don't know like I feel like there's more on the ps3 right now that I can't get on the 360 that I'd rather play dude I love those resistance games like resistance to blew my mind and it was funny because we get home

[01:17:09] and I'm like what the fuck is what is this port for like what is this thing an HDMI that was the first time I ever had an HDMI because I was like what is this even and then I look on the back of my TV

[01:17:24] and I didn't even realize like I had a flat screen TV and I was like oh that's what this thing is for holy shit this looks crazy I still had a CRT for like the longest time when I first had

[01:17:36] my ps3 so I was plugging it in with the old white and yellows in the front and I was I never really got the hype for like the ps3's graphics at the first because I don't get it like it doesn't look that much better

[01:17:48] granted I was playing Sonic 06 and like Star Wars so yeah but then we finally got the HDTVs and I like discovered HDMI and the second I plugged it in and put it on like that everything was so clear and I was like

[01:18:03] yeah it was wild to see that for the first time and I remember just like the first little bit in resistance like I remember there was a hallway and some water and there was like a cable swinging back and forth and I was like this

[01:18:18] looks insane holy shit it was blowing my mind like it was the first time because like yeah from ps1 to ps2 it was at launch it was pretty like okay yeah this looks pretty good but like I feel like the jump from ps2 to ps3 was like

[01:18:36] okay we're really doing something with the graphics now oh yeah like to me you know I'm not gonna lie though like being an RPG guy it must have been so confusing to be a Sony guy at first because like we had like nothing and meanwhile

[01:18:51] the 360 has lost Odyssey blue dragon Tales of the Spirion it's like wait a minute did I make the wrong one on here it's like oh no I mean eventually it flipped but I have to say though the Wii was like the weird outlier just in the background

[01:19:09] during this generation I know because they just kept pumping crazy games out like and like there would be games that wouldn't even really have a lot of advertising or like you wouldn't really hear much about them and then later you'd be like wait so

[01:19:27] the last story what it like how why did this get under my radar like why how did I miss this like there's like I mean the last few like big RPGs on the Wii were incredible like Xenoblade

[01:19:42] Chronicles definitely didn't feel like it should have been on the Wii like that for what it was worth was much more ahead of its time in my opinion I still remember early on too like this was like the real so fun fact this was me and

[01:19:58] Alex's first Nintendo console like ever um the Wii yeah but we we were Sony Sony people like the entire time um what's funny though is like I still remember hooking up the Wii and like I remember like we spent hours just making knees for like the first

[01:20:16] day there's so much to like I got to a point where we I just realized Alex has been adding a really different thing okay um I was gonna say though like I remember like the making me's like we made some of the most

[01:20:37] cursed abominations in that thing like I think we had a goal like we're like how much worse how much worse can we make this these things look like they were like just like these weird like making normal ones like you and like your friends

[01:20:52] and family and you make the normal ones and then you're like well I ran out of people to make so now I'm just gonna make weird shit yep just like the Sims you start out you make your normal sims

[01:21:05] and eventually you get down to that dad-a-ball place where you just start making cars sit we don't got like this man I still remember Wii sports though the first time playing that and just like I remember like

[01:21:23] you'd have like the people that would actually try to play tennis like tennis and then you'd have like the one like like doing this and it just like yeah yeah I used to get mad when when I would have people

[01:21:38] come over and I'd be like you gotta try this fucking war you wear a game this is absolutely insane and you know there'd be ones where it's like you gotta like jump rope or whatever and you like hold the Wii mode about your head

[01:21:54] these lazy fucks come over and they're like I can just fucking do this shit it's like yeah you can get out of my house that's what you could do because we're gonna play video games here get out of my house

[01:22:06] I still remember like when Mario Kart Wii came out and it was like the steering wheels which were just a piece of plastic it was so hard to I was like fuck yeah steering wheel

[01:22:15] do you want to plug it into anything you just hold in front of your face and it was like wow this is dog shit this is real dog shit right here I remember real fast I realized at first I realized the wheels pointless

[01:22:27] so you could just hold the Wii mode and that's so much more comfortable but then you realize three minutes later you're like oh wait you can just plug a Gamecube controller in and just play like a normal person mm-hmm yep

[01:22:39] yeah there's a lot of weird peripherals on those generations like between the Kinect and like the Wii Fit oh the Wii Fit you know what I used to call Wii Fit how to ruin your self confidence with one simple game yeah it's literally

[01:22:59] it's when it takes your Wii and puts you on the scale and it makes your Wii super fast it's like you're all Wii's yeah like if you're being like you can be like rail thin but if your BMI is weird it just that means like

[01:23:13] you're in danger of being overweight and it's just like your Wii just goes boom and it's like great see that's the thing though like that translates poorly from the Japanese culture where they don't give a shit they'll be like

[01:23:28] you're fat you need to lose weight well yeah eat healthy over here you say that people are like this is my best life man it's so funny to me though because they tried so hard with Wii Fit and I mean I give them credit like

[01:23:43] they were trying to do something to make people be healthier and also game at the same time but like it literally took them a couple years to just create this thing and like this this was the rings fit yeah ring fit I've not used that before

[01:23:55] I I've heard that it's not only very fun to play like the game itself but you actually like sweat your fucking ass off when you're doing it well I mean you're playing an RPG with a fucking Pilates ring like it's an actual like

[01:24:10] workout item versus like a pad you go okay step up step down step I remember that like you're literally you'll be fighting you'll be fighting bosses by doing like ab crunches and shit awesome like that likes this was this was genius I remember like

[01:24:28] because this came out 2020 like these things were like harder to find than crack at the time everybody was hoarding the damn because it was the only way anyone can exercise at that point yeah yeah it's again man Nintendo's just

[01:24:43] always coming out with like all their stuff is not good like there's definitely miss a lot of misses there but like I feel like none of the other companies are really like trying to do gimmicks that are gimmicks that work

[01:24:58] and not just like hey look at my new fucking webcam that you can play like a game on that's not good I mean Sony is doing PS VR which I mean that's fine I'm not a huge VR guy I so here's the thing I do

[01:25:13] really like VR I have an Oculus I had a PS VR one I want to get a PS VR two at some point I still think even though the like VR has been out for a while now it's still very niche yeah like so when PS VR

[01:25:34] original came out Jesus Christ Alex what if you guys see in the video version me just like my face just like completely fall at random points because I know just Alex's goddamn caption down there I don't know what you're talking about

[01:25:52] I was gonna say though like my first VR experience this was back in I think the original PS VR was like 20 1617 ish I want to say whatever the original PS VR came out they went to a Best Buy and they had a demo kiosk for

[01:26:13] the PS VR and I was like a night shift at the time so it was like right before when I was working and I was just chilling in the Best Buy so I went to go try it out and I remember vividly the game selection was pretty mediocre

[01:26:34] it was like a bunch of like weird VR style games but then they had Resident Evil 7 as an option so of course I had to try Resident Evil 7 and I played it for about 10 minutes and then you shit your entire pan

[01:26:49] I took the helmet off I looked at the guy and said that's really cool but fuck that I was like never again I remember when they were showcasing the PS VR like behind closed doors and there was a lot of reports coming back

[01:27:07] I think somebody from IGN may have even gotten to try it it was just called the kitchen demo and people were losing their fucking minds over this thing and they were saying how scary it was then finally the kitchen demo drops for PS VR and then

[01:27:28] it is revealed that the kitchen demo is actually Resident Evil 7 that's what that was it was Resident Evil 7 wait wait wait we're getting Resident Evil in VR that whole demo was absolutely terrifying by today's standards I could probably get through that

[01:27:49] somebody that's not used to VR though would definitely have a rough time with that thing also because Resident Evil 7 was legitimately the first scary Resident Evil and God knows how long this is super off topic but I've seen that they're bringing back

[01:28:04] a lot of the team that worked on 7 to do 9 so I guess we're getting scary Resident Evil again finally it was good but it wasn't scary it was like the Resident Evil 2 compared to Resident Evil 1 where it was a lot more action heavy for sure

[01:28:25] so looking at the time looks like we're just about to hit where we normally cut off I figure we've covered a good amount of 7th gen and I'm sure we'll revisit this again for a part 3 at some point because we go very off the rails at times

[01:28:40] and also I know Alex, Alex is still suffering from jet lag so I don't want to kill her too much today yeah I'm tired but this was a fun talk we're definitely going to revisit this and of course when we eventually do the N64 revisited special

[01:28:58] we're going to have the entire gang together for a round table say on it before we sign off Jerry do you want to shout out all your stuff again sure you can get me on Super Ghost Radio where I co-host and then I have my two co-hosts

[01:29:22] Greg and Beth joining me for just a grab bag of stuff each episode then there's also Aaron and I on Retro Rehab talking about all things retro and also I am co-host on SuperPod Saga and you can find all of those shows on the superpodnetwork.com

[01:29:43] yep and you can also find all of our shows on the superpodnetwork.com get the hell out of here alright it's crazy we can also get to the end of this and then Aaron and I are going to talk about what happened

[01:29:58] when you and Aaron just came up with an idea one day and Aaron messaged me at work and he's like you want to join our network and I'm like Aaron okay when did this happen randomly it was like what if we had a full network

[01:30:19] I guess this is a possibility and within an hour he was like check out this website and then he's like and Bill's on and these guys are on alright I guess we're in network now

[01:30:34] which is funny because this was a topic me and you had discussed multiple times years ago and it just never went anywhere and then finally we got someone like Aaron who will just make it and then like I love the fact that Aaron made the thing

[01:30:46] and then we got all to figure it out well it's funny because Aaron made the bones and me and Thrac were like oh you can do this cool stuff and then Aaron's like that's cool and he's like I'm copying this now but yeah shout out to everyone else

[01:31:01] on that network as well like the guys over at Novel Console, Bar Silence Find Time, Gaming Together, Friday Night Gamecast Remember 64, The Elder Trolls I'm not going to have to talk about that this time There's some new things in the pipe as well

[01:31:19] we'll talk about that off camera Yes and I'd also like to give Jerry another shout out because for those who haven't read the description to our episodes he also did our theme song for this podcast that we've had since the beginning of Season 4 which is very nice

[01:31:40] I have to link to your SoundCloud page down in the thing so if anyone else wants to reach out that is always a option At some point I'm going to get myself properly set up so that I can actually have some sort of a service

[01:31:52] where I can offer themes and stuff like that but yeah if you anybody out there listening if you ever want a theme made like an oddly song I've done this podcast theme, I've done Super Ghost I've also done Above the Ring I've also done Tommy's new one

[01:32:13] Tommy's right along I forgot about Tommy RIP Tommy Is AI crashed again? Alright but once again guys thanks for joining us on Gaming and Collecting you can find all of our stuff at the my brain just broke you can find us on every major part

[01:32:37] I'm waiting for Alex to interrupt me every 3 seconds if you say so I was going to ask if you could make me an intro song for my one time podcast of water bottle facts it's just like the sound of pressing 50 piano keys at once

[01:32:55] just a big train wreck I don't think I want to do that you send it to her and you're like here you go and it's just a bug bumble theme I'm leaving bye Alex

[01:33:13] as she does that I'd like to say once again you can find us on all of our major platforms particularly Apple Podcast and Spotify and at the SuperPod Network and with that we'll see you guys all later bye bye so long