G&C Podcast - Episode 167: Looking Back At The Uncharted Series! (ft. Nave, Bill, and Liv)

[00:00:00] Hey everybody! On this episode of Gaming Collecting, I'm once again solo-hosting while Alex is away.

[00:00:06] But in the meantime, I've brought in a few guests to help us talk about this topic.

[00:00:10] From Gaming Together we have Nave once again joining us.

[00:00:13] From The Top Tenors we have Liv once again rejoining us for an episode.

[00:00:18] And New to the Show we have Bill from A Gamer Looks At 40 to talk about The Uncharted Series from Naughty Dog.

[00:00:26] It was an awesome discussion and I hope you all enjoy.

[00:00:29] Roll the intro music.

[00:00:31] Music

[00:00:51] Hello everybody and welcome to the Gaming Collecting podcast. Things are a little bit different this week.

[00:00:56] Alex is once again on a dancing related escapade so she's doing something with that.

[00:01:03] She'll be back probably next week.

[00:01:05] But in the meantime, I have three wonderful guests who have decided to join me for this episode we're doing.

[00:01:11] We have Liv returning. She was last on our Sims retrospective.

[00:01:16] We did way back in like a year ago I want to say.

[00:01:20] We also have Nave joining again from Gaming Together.

[00:01:26] He was on one of our RuneScape episodes way back.

[00:01:29] Of course I was.

[00:01:31] And then we have a first time guest on the show.

[00:01:34] We're going to have two bills in this so it's going to be a little confusing.

[00:01:38] We'll see how it goes.

[00:01:40] I'm going to be here because Bill's been on the show for the first time.

[00:01:43] I'll let him introduce his show first then I'll go live and then I'll go Nave.

[00:01:47] So, Bill tell me a little bit about your show.

[00:01:49] Thanks a lot man. I appreciate it.

[00:01:51] Thanks host Bill. You can be host Bill and I'll be guest Bill.

[00:01:55] Well what I was thinking was like you know they have an evil version of you and they just make the name backwards.

[00:02:00] But then your name would be Lib which is too close to live.

[00:02:04] This is really messed it up.

[00:02:06] This is all a disaster. This is so poorly planned.

[00:02:08] This is kidding. Thank you so much for having me on. I appreciate it.

[00:02:10] My show is entitled A Gamer Looks at Forty.

[00:02:12] It's a nostalgic retrospective of the history of video games as told through the personal stories of the people who lived it.

[00:02:20] So the goal is to not kind of do reviews or things like that but really get to the stories of the people behind the games and behind why we love these games.

[00:02:30] You know those personal stories that are attached to this medium that if you, you know, if you're a 40 year old person like myself

[00:02:36] you have a lot of years invested in this medium.

[00:02:38] So that's what the game attempts to do or the show attempts to do.

[00:02:42] I'm currently in the middle of a, or just starting a Final Fantasy series.

[00:02:46] So I am knee deep in Final Fantasy right now.

[00:02:48] So yeah if you want to hear a bunch of people tell stories about the games they fell in love with as a kid that's a podcast for you.

[00:02:56] Nice and Lib so at the time we last talked you had a previous show which has sadly ended at this point.

[00:03:04] But now you actually were just telling me that you have a new show coming out.

[00:03:07] Would you like to share that as a little teaser?

[00:03:10] Yeah I'm very excited to work with my friend James over with Games with John and James.

[00:03:15] And together we are making a new show called The Top Tenors where we're going to argue behind the scenes we're going to argue about whose

[00:03:24] picture should make the definitive Top Ten list of the said category in the video game world still the same genre of course.

[00:03:31] And then we're going to do heavy hitting and we're going to make series out of that so right now our YouTube channel is up but we're still in pre-production but it's on the way it's cooking.

[00:03:42] Let the chefs cook as they say.

[00:03:45] Nice and Dave would you like to share your show?

[00:03:49] I'm one half a gaming together cooperative podcast me my co-host Philip he tries to review games and I try to make the episode as bad as possible.

[00:03:59] But this next episode that's coming out that should be out by the time this episode that comes out will be a battle royale between a bunch of our guests that we had over the past few months and Bill and live are both going to be included in that so we get to see how well they do.

[00:04:15] I'll spoil it a little bit. You both do pretty well.

[00:04:18] Oh boy.

[00:04:20] Okay, okay.

[00:04:22] Hopefully I'm not like a savage like I was in the Hunger Games episode.

[00:04:26] It's my God.

[00:04:29] But yeah so like I say every episode though how you guys been otherwise.

[00:04:35] Man I've been so like there's something in the in the air in Oklahoma right now I don't know it's like a sleeping disease. Everybody's been so tired and exhausted for no reason.

[00:04:45] It's just it's the middle of like what is this month even February. I don't know where we are March. We're March.

[00:04:51] We're March spring started a couple days ago.

[00:04:55] Yeah, we lost an hour.

[00:04:57] I think that's really what it has to have been is that I lost an hour of sleep.

[00:05:01] My equal.

[00:05:03] Crazy or I thought this was going to be the last year that we're doing it or is that just like a meme.

[00:05:08] They say this every year and they never change it.

[00:05:10] Yeah, I've been I've been manipulated by this as well because I didn't know.

[00:05:18] I think spring is definitely here because I can't stop sneezing. I think it's under control now but last week was so bad.

[00:05:25] I felt like I was allergic to myself.

[00:05:27] If you've been if the people who are watching the video have seen me at least rub my eyes 15 times minimum.

[00:05:33] I just can't stop it. I've taken allergy medicine and everything. It's over.

[00:05:37] I mean honestly that's probably it.

[00:05:40] He's killing me.

[00:05:42] Honestly, I thought it was spring until I woke up this morning. It was snowing out so.

[00:05:50] I mean we got a little bit it got a little colder in Jersey, but it's not snowing.

[00:05:55] And I live in Texas where where it's always nuclear winter at all times it is constantly hot but it's actually very pleasant right now.

[00:06:04] For me I I had a weird situation yesterday where I'm a fan I'm an old man.

[00:06:11] I'm always the oldest person in the room wherever I am these days which is great.

[00:06:15] It's kind of like a soothsayer and like some sort of like wizard.

[00:06:18] It's really cool. I'm actually a big fan of this and I'm a fan of the band the Decemberists.

[00:06:23] Have we heard of the Decemberists before?

[00:06:25] Okay, they have a new single out.

[00:06:27] They came out so on Spotify comes up new single by Decemberists like ooh okay cool.

[00:06:31] I start playing it fine.

[00:06:33] I look at the time it's 17 minutes long.

[00:06:36] And I look at there.

[00:06:38] I go oh, oh, Colin Maloy. No, I don't have 17 minutes to listen to your song sir.

[00:06:43] I have to stop it.

[00:06:45] I like that's not that's like an EP in one track like that's not a single that's a EP in one track.

[00:06:51] So that's where I've been for the last 24 hours wrestling with the idea of H of a 17 minute single that I then released.

[00:07:00] One thing that I thought you're gonna, I thought you were gonna do this thing because Spotify has been kind of being a little goofy with everyone's names and stuff like that.

[00:07:07] Like the band sleep is like included in the sleep therapy category and shit like that like but they are not you don't listen to that to go to sleep.

[00:07:15] There's a band named Aira and they've been releasing singles for the past few months and it's one of my favorite bands and they it said new album era and I was like oh my God what a dropped and I and the album art is like this lady from India.

[00:07:29] And I'm like that's a really interesting album art and then I listen and it is an Indian like lady singing pop music and I'm like in the fuck is this it is like there's an era in India that released an album like last month.

[00:07:44] Wow.

[00:07:45] Fooled you definitely not would you was it good?

[00:07:48] Was it?

[00:07:49] It was amazing.

[00:07:51] All right.

[00:07:53] All right, right on.

[00:07:55] It was a sign that you had to listen to it.

[00:07:57] I was going to say like today like I was telling live before we started I finished my 40 I worked 40 I've already worked 40 hours this week.

[00:08:06] Yeah.

[00:08:08] But I've been just like it's really sad when you've reached the point in life for like your most exciting part of the day is when you go to Costco after work.

[00:08:16] And I almost got run over by a mother chasing after her kid with a carriage it was great.

[00:08:21] It's how it works.

[00:08:22] It's how it works.

[00:08:23] Just trying to buy a toilet paper and all the son of lady just sprints by with a carriage and I'm just like, it's like, oh this is how I die wonderful.

[00:08:31] It cost goes no man's land it's Black Friday there every day rules do not apply.

[00:08:36] Rules do not apply at Costco they do not.

[00:08:39] Yeah, if you if you move the if you move the shopping carts to the side there are like battle axes and maces so that you defend yourself.

[00:08:46] It wouldn't surprise me if they sold them there to be honest so.

[00:08:51] By the dozen give out samples.

[00:08:56] We battle axe, it's like, okay.

[00:09:00] But yeah, so today's topic this has been one I've been wanting to cover for a while, haven't been able to because Alex doesn't care about the series and the slightest because it's not Stardew Valley or Animal Crossing.

[00:09:14] So for today we're actually going to be talking about the uncharted franchise and uncharted is one of those series that I've kind of found over the years, people either absolutely adore it, or they just like don't care about it in the slightest it is like a very

[00:09:29] kind of like 5050 split there like I've never met a person who's been just like considered uncharted like just okay.

[00:09:36] They're always either like it's the greatest thing ever or it's just met.

[00:09:41] I don't like it.

[00:09:44] So I guess like before we go into initial thoughts I guess a little backstory uncharted obviously is the third major franchise, Naughty Dog created for Sony.

[00:09:53] Following the crash bandicoot series and the jack and daxter franchise.

[00:09:58] It was also their debut on the PlayStation three. So their first series in full HD.

[00:10:04] And it was also notably the first series they worked on following the departure of studio founders Jason Rubin Andy Gavin.

[00:10:13] So it was basically a brand new team of basically like a lot of like the lower guys from Naughty Dog had stepped up and were essentially this was their first real outing and I think they made a pretty big impact in all

[00:10:29] of the franchise but I guess so I guess we'll go around the room now and have everyone share their their like thoughts on the franchise like how they got into it so I figure an order will go live will kind of go clockwise so we'll go live

[00:10:42] live

[00:10:43] So live how did you get interest introduced into uncharted.

[00:10:48] So I played the last of us, and I thought I really like this game, I would like to play more of their games thinking I'm going to play uncharted as if it's the last of us, which I was blown away that it's nothing like the last of us, you could run and gun through uncharted, and I wasn't expecting

[00:11:09] that because I had just played their other game which was so serious and you need to be slow and calculated with how you're going through the level.

[00:11:17] And I thought it was great I thought the first game was very cheesy, and I'll say I wasn't really sold at first, but then the second game, I decided I was like okay I'm in and I'm going to keep playing it but I would say it was a little this guided as to what I was hopping into and I

[00:11:32] wasn't actively seeking this type of game.

[00:11:36] Nice.

[00:11:37] So, Dave how did you discover uncharted.

[00:11:40] Well, during the 360 gen I was a vicious Xbox 360 fanboy.

[00:11:46] And so I hated everything Sony as a kid you know in high school I was so I was so into it on the internet and eventually my dad gave me a PlayStation three, whether it was stolen or not.

[00:11:57] No one knows I didn't ask any questions, but it didn't come with a power cord so I was thinking it probably was still.

[00:12:04] But after an ebase after an ebase search I got myself a power cord and I got a bunch of read the remaster trilogy games, and I ended up getting uncharted to I think because that was the didn't have the first one a game stop

[00:12:16] and I kind of held off on playing the uncharted game for a long time.

[00:12:21] And but whenever I did get around to playing it, I was stunned.

[00:12:25] I was like oh my goodness, like there's only a few 360 games that can hold a candle to this and so I went and I ordered a off of Amazon I ordered the first game.

[00:12:35] And it is nothing like the second game.

[00:12:38] It is poo poo compared I did the opposite thing of what you're supposed to do where you play the newer better game and then you go back to the old one expecting it to be like that because I was a dumb kid, but that was my experience and then I never played three for a long time because I was like oh that was a fluke and that is that's my history.

[00:12:58] Yeah, I can imagine going from two to one is a very unfortunate in the case of one because one is a good game but my god to blows it out of the water in every way imaginable.

[00:13:09] Like unfortunate Drake's fortune.

[00:13:12] Yeah.

[00:13:13] Yeah, very good.

[00:13:16] So, Bill how did you discover the uncharted series.

[00:13:20] I don't think I discovered it so much as it was thrust upon me by popular media and the Internet.

[00:13:25] I mean, I think I played it as they released.

[00:13:28] I was a place that I was a sony I was a Sony guy for the longest time.

[00:13:32] And it was just one of those Sony exclusives is a reason to get a PS3 and I think when I got my PS3 probably not at launch maybe a couple years after I that was just one of the games I knew I was just going to get so I played them in order.

[00:13:46] And as they got released I played them.

[00:13:48] I love your bill I may be the first person I am one of those people who like these games but I think these games have caused a lot of problems.

[00:13:56] And I think video game developers have learned bad habits from these games.

[00:14:00] So I have lots of mixed opinions on the uncharted series, but as a popcorn action movie.

[00:14:06] I think they're fun and they're fine.

[00:14:10] But I definitely going from two back to one is so hard because two is a light year difference in quality than one and one's fine.

[00:14:19] One's a perfectly serviceable game, but not quite.

[00:14:23] Yeah, not quite.

[00:14:25] So yeah, I played them as they came out.

[00:14:27] Yeah, I got them old.

[00:14:29] So I guess for me it was kind of very similar in that regard where I was a staunch Sony supporter like PS3 day one playing my sonico six because it was the only game out great time.

[00:14:44] And then because I got the thing because Metal Gear Solid 4 was coming out for and I had to play Metal Gear Solid 4, and then kind of waiting on games to come out 2007 rolls by and I see uncharted with

[00:14:58] the Naughty Dog logo there and I'm like, I know Naughty Dog.

[00:15:01] I can trust these guys.

[00:15:03] So I bought uncharted and the rest was kind of history from there.

[00:15:06] I fell in love with the series and pick them up with every subsequent release.

[00:15:13] So I guess we should start kind of from the top and I guess start with Drake's fortune.

[00:15:23] So this game.

[00:15:25] This game is really interesting to me as like there is like so many things like that I love about this game.

[00:15:33] But at the same time, it is incredibly flawed in like a lot of ways, particularly the gameplay.

[00:15:41] I think the story still holds up very well like the to me like the one thing that I feel like the uncharted series like stands up well like for all the games is the story.

[00:15:51] I think it's the gameplay where things kind of get a little kind of mixed up overall.

[00:15:57] But so what would you we kind of talked about over but what do you guys think of Drake's fortune overall?

[00:16:05] It's no gears of war, which is what that was my like frame of reference for third person shooters is one of the primary things that I that made me upset.

[00:16:16] And I didn't really know that I couldn't articulate this as a kid but when I played it again on the PlayStation 4 collection where I was like I'm a hardcore gamer now I'm going to play it on the hardest difficulty is that you can't corner peak like you can in gears of war where you stand there but you can see around the corner and as soon as someone comes around you blast him in the face with the double barrel and you're and laugh really hard because it's fun every time you do it.

[00:16:37] And uncharted the the the enemy shoot the camera not Drake.

[00:16:42] So like if the camera can see the enemy, then you can take damage and I was like, oh this is probably contributed to how it's way worse than the first game they fix it quite a bit and as the game series goes forward.

[00:16:55] I don't think it's present at all in the fourth game, but I might be wrong. But like that was something that like in the game in the gameplay department, like a really small like niche problem that I noticed.

[00:17:09] Yeah, this is the gameplay wise I I'm not playing on the hardest difficulty. I mean that is not my I don't I am not a hardcore gamer. I am there to experience the story and be a part of the story.

[00:17:24] And if I keep dying and I'm not progressing the story, I am not having fun. So I like to play on I started normal and if normal is too hard, I'm gonna drop it down easy because I'm just having a good time.

[00:17:34] But that the difficulty level doesn't help you when you keep jumping off the cliff and falling through your death because you're like I think I can jump this far.

[00:17:43] Nothing to grab on to. So my biggest challenge and uncharted one specifically was trying to gauge where I'm supposed to be going in some of these levels because you think you could I just climbed a cliff to get up here.

[00:17:57] So theoretically I should be able to jump to the next cliff that's right there, but now you fall to your death and ragdoll.

[00:18:03] You do like a baby jump and just go straight down like gravity really gravity is really strong in that in that cliff.

[00:18:11] I think the gameplay wise, it's a great first try. Again, if you played of its time you've been it was unlike anything I'd seen on a console when I played it.

[00:18:20] And I remember thinking the gameplay was fine. I remember being hard. I'm also playing on me. I'm a normie player and I just to put it out there.

[00:18:29] I do not recommend playing this game. It is it would it probably took seven years off my life. How pissed off I was getting at it.

[00:18:36] I remember lots of I remember lots of restarts and lots of getting shot twice and standing there saying well I'm going to die.

[00:18:43] Stretch a bit, you know, and let myself die and try again.

[00:18:48] But I remember really being taken by it again the cinematics of it how the storytelling. It's a very simple game story.

[00:18:56] The stories in our charter games aren't great, but they're fine. They're just like Indiana Jones game movies. They're fine.

[00:19:01] They're we're not there for that. We're there for the big set pieces were there for the shooting were there for the action.

[00:19:06] But as far as the play goes, it's amazing how well two plays compared to one. We'll talk about two.

[00:19:13] I think one as a first try as a first attempt is really solid and strong.

[00:19:19] But it was going to get a lot better as later iterations came around.

[00:19:23] I think like the best way to explain like how gameplay and uncharted works is it's kind of like a hybrid of like three different styles.

[00:19:31] Like you have the exploration sections where you're kind of just like walking around, like talking to your other characters in the area.

[00:19:39] Then there is the the platforming sections which are to me that probably my favorite of the three main gameplay sections where you have to actually like climb through these like elaborate like different

[00:19:50] brains and like go through like you have to kind of use your brain a little bit and kind of like think certain things through because sometimes like you'll think you'll be able to get up a certain way.

[00:19:59] But like Drake will just kind of jump at the wall and won't do anything.

[00:20:03] But then like you kind of I mean they do kind of highlight certain things gold like they'll let you know where to climb but sometimes like it's a little bit hard to see.

[00:20:12] And then the third and my probably least favorite is the combat sections which are just every now and then it'll be like, oh there's a bunch of enemies shoot them and move on.

[00:20:22] Yeah, it kind of go yeah it kind of goes from from traversal to walking around to murder arena to walking around to another murder arena to then some more traversal and it's it has those beats and I and they're fine.

[00:20:35] I one thing uncharted I think has done a great disservice to the industry is that nobody can make a game now that doesn't have uncharted style wall jumping and mountain climbing.

[00:20:45] I after Breath of the Wild why are we why in Horizon Forbidden West am I still like looking for hand holes and I can't just go where I want.

[00:20:53] It's madness.

[00:20:54] And I'm I don't find the traversal in uncharted very fun it's just kind of holding left or right and letting the animation do its thing.

[00:21:03] And as the games go further on they get worse at that because they're trying to make the animation so complex that I think it hinders the maneuverability.

[00:21:11] I've always liked the kind of like the dungeon crawling of it and the combat is is fine.

[00:21:17] It's more about those big set piece moments for me that are really fun stand out and one does deliver those in a smaller scale.

[00:21:26] One thing about the uncharted combat I would say is that it really gives you so it's like a stark contrast between the last of us like little stock mud earlier where last of us is very you can't leave you cannot really leave the cover

[00:21:41] uncharted there are moments where you do leave the cover and you go into this mad scramble and like it is just so Nathan Drake the way that you're like oh god oh god I gotta get a gun oh no what am I doing like like the the chaos that ensues once like a grenade lands at your feet you're like

[00:21:57] oh god I gotta stop like something has to happen though the weird like his because Nathan Drake is just so witty and like and fast that it makes sense that he has that style of combat in comparison to Naughty Dog's other big title.

[00:22:17] One thing that I really appreciate Naughty Dog doing is a lot of the times you'll have like secondary characters with you mostly for story elements they don't really contribute much to the combat or the platforming but one thing that I really appreciate Naughty Dog starting is the idea of your party members per se are basically

[00:22:39] invisible to enemies until you get spotted then they become visible so you won't get an example of say like your party member running out in front of all the freaking calm enemies and then starting a combat thing when you were trying to be stealthy.

[00:22:53] Like this is something that they carried over into the last of us which I appreciate a lot because there are so many times in last of us one where Ellie will just run in front of a clicker and it'll I'll be like I'll cringe a little and then I'll be like oh right they don't see her until they see Joe.

[00:23:07] So you're fine.

[00:23:08] Ellie no what are you doing?

[00:23:10] Well there's a great moment.

[00:23:11] I'm so glad I'm being stealthy so I probably I didn't even really notice that because I walk into the room and I say I'm here.

[00:23:17] The sign.

[00:23:20] Yeah I can never kill like more than like two or three enemies stealthily and my fiance will take like half an hour to play a level perfectly.

[00:23:29] She's like I will stealth kill everyone and if I can't do it I will restart and I was like I don't care.

[00:23:34] I'm like what are we doing?

[00:23:36] I'll die twice.

[00:23:38] No I'm not doing it.

[00:23:39] I'm on live steam so I love stealth combat I really do but the thought of going 20 minutes in an area and getting accidentally spotted and killed by like the second to last enemy that will send me into a fury.

[00:23:51] Like I won't recover from it.

[00:23:55] I will say one of my favorite moments this is in the last of us but it kind of applies also to uncharted.

[00:24:01] One of my favorite moments of how the AI is sometimes really funny is I had a point where like I had Joel like right behind a barrier and it was right next to some stairs and it for some reason triggered Ellie's animation to just run up and down the stairs repeatedly.

[00:24:16] So I'm hiding from clickers as Ellie's doing her stair training over in the corner and I'm just like.

[00:24:21] I'm just like this is wonderful and the same shit happens in uncharted and it's great.

[00:24:27] You got to fill in those rings.

[00:24:29] I mean when else are you going to do it right?

[00:24:31] It might as well if you're sitting there doing nothing and you're invisible to clickers why not?

[00:24:34] I yeah I yeah I there is a little bit of jank in uncharted.

[00:24:38] I don't think there's a lot of stealth though in uncharted if I remember in the first one they try to incorporate that in the later editions.

[00:24:44] I don't remember there being a lot of I remember just running into fields and just hoping to find cover.

[00:24:48] If I can take out three people that I know I'm good I've lessened the amount because everybody's an exceptional shot.

[00:24:53] Yeah everyone is just marksman quality shots really really goes to show how well Nathan Drake is versed with shooting man because he's out shooting them somehow and he's fighting a million of them.

[00:25:08] Well he gets to try and get out of the way from the hip.

[00:25:11] I'm just like I'll hit someone somewhere.

[00:25:13] I have no strategy when I go to play Uncharted.

[00:25:16] The strategy to uncharted is just run in like Rambo unless you see snipers then hide.

[00:25:21] Yeah exactly how I play.

[00:25:23] If you see a sniper laser ducking cover because you're going to get killed very quick.

[00:25:28] If it looks like a level it is a level.

[00:25:31] If it looks like lots of hiding spots they're there for a reason.

[00:25:34] Yeah I love walking into an area and you just see a bunch of like like waist high like barriers everywhere and you're like I wonder what's going to happen here.

[00:25:44] And then suddenly you can thank you as a war for that.

[00:25:47] Yeah snipers.

[00:25:49] So clearly the ancient Mayans were really into paintball because clear this is what was set up for initially.

[00:25:55] Yeah.

[00:25:56] So we'll save talking about like stories for later in the podcast.

[00:26:00] I'm going to move on to the next game Uncharted 2.

[00:26:03] I have to say like comparing these comparing these like next to each other.

[00:26:10] This is like one of this is like Assassin's Creed 2 compared to Assassin's Creed 1 it's like the first one is fine really good game.

[00:26:18] This blows it out of the water in every way possible.

[00:26:22] Yeah I'm one of those like perfect sequels where they just take the thing and make it more of that thing.

[00:26:30] I love Uncharted 2 so much.

[00:26:33] I might be getting ahead of myself but that's probably my favorite in the entire series for multiple reasons I thought the characters were stronger I thought the narrative of the game was stronger.

[00:26:46] The dialogue is so much better than the first game something we didn't touch on is just it's cheesy it's so cheesy like Nathan Drake would say something and I just roll my eyes at him I was like I don't really like you you're annoying.

[00:26:59] But I was like there's supposed to be something about this franchise that everyone loves and I'm going to stick around until I either give up or find it and when I played this game was like I found it I understand why we're here and I will continue to play because of this game.

[00:27:14] I actually do really enjoy Nathan's character growth between one to two because like one he is hilarious.

[00:27:21] He I love him in one but not because he's good because he's just kind of like a goober the entire game.

[00:27:27] He's a dork.

[00:27:29] He's a prehistory dork.

[00:27:31] And two though he takes a massive step in like terms of development and one thing that uncharted does starting with who that I absolutely adore is the the false the false start that every game starts with where you will start the game with a portion of the level that

[00:27:50] is like in the middle of the game at some point and you're just kind of like what the hell happened here like is like uncharted to in particular it starts with your literally in a train that's hanging off a mountain and no context at all you're just kind of like what the hell

[00:28:05] is going on here and then the game kind of does like a psych and then you go back to the actual start of the game and then it's great because later on you'll be you'll get there's a point where you're on a train and you're like oh I see what's going to happen here.

[00:28:20] Oh, it's a it's a it's a really good storytelling device and I think that's a big thing that uncharted to does better than one is it ups this game when it comes to those storytelling devices.

[00:28:31] I remember that that train seen vividly as one of my favorite openings of a game. I absolutely love being dropped into the middle of the action your hero is hurts wakes up is at a bloody side he's in this train it's falling.

[00:28:44] It's it's a wonderful onboarding into the game itself into the mechanics and traversal and all that fun stuff but it's also just extremely tense and good and it's a lot of it's a lot of fun it's one of the better it's I think it's my favorite opening of all the uncharted games.

[00:29:00] There one big bummer about it though is that isn't it big but like when we whenever you get to that part.

[00:29:06] You just replay the same thing right and that's supposed to be tutorial so you're like suddenly doing this really simple basic thing that you're supposed that's supposed to teach you how to play the game but like you're doing it again as someone who's been playing the game like four hours now.

[00:29:21] That's true that's a good point but like that yeah.

[00:29:23] I mean if you only played it like once or twice is probably not a big deal but it's like what I go back and play resident evil. What is it the second first person one so it's eight I think I've gone back and play that like every every couple of months and every time I get to the the scary part where they take away your guns.

[00:29:40] I'm like the first time I played I'm like oh this is the best part of the whole game and then every some secret play there I'm like oh no it's this part where I can't shoot my infinite ammo grenade launcher.

[00:29:48] This is super super fun and so like I played uncharted to you like four or five times and every time I got to that part I was like oh look at that it's the tutorial.

[00:29:56] It's a weird it's just there's not many games that I know of that yet you replay the tutorial.

[00:30:02] So I will say though the one cool thing about the replay is Nate said dialogue is different.

[00:30:08] Yeah, it is different.

[00:30:11] Which is a nice touch.

[00:30:14] Another thing too that I love about that sequences uncharted to was the first uncharted to use the havoc engine for physics.

[00:30:23] I think they wanted to showcase how much better the physics and two are compared to one with that sequence because it is very noticeable from the start.

[00:30:33] Yeah, everything is a step up.

[00:30:35] Everything.

[00:30:37] I mean I don't want to say that uncharted one is bad but like it's a noticeable difference just from just one game.

[00:30:46] It's a noticeable evolution they clearly had more time they just fix their mistakes and made things better and that's what you ought to do in a sequel.

[00:30:56] Twice the set piece twice the action twice the sully.

[00:31:00] Yeah, two times the sully.

[00:31:02] Yes, we'll get to sully later because I do want to talk about the characters in their own section because I love the characters in this franchise and I have a lot to say.

[00:31:10] Go for it man.

[00:31:12] Excellent.

[00:31:13] So two phenomenal game uncharted three.

[00:31:18] This one gets weird like some people really like three some people prefer three other people find it kind of a step back.

[00:31:27] I'm curious what are you guys your guys's thoughts.

[00:31:31] I kind of prefer it a little bit even though I've only played it like once and which is weird so it's like I prefer three.

[00:31:38] I should probably play it again because I played, like I said to like five times so it's like, I don't know if I actually if I did prefer it you think I would play it at least twice right.

[00:31:50] I think I had to play as young younger Nate in this one going through and like how he meets sully and stuff which is cool.

[00:31:59] I this manate and I feel like I should just save up for when we talk characters, but I think this this is enjoyable.

[00:32:07] Was it for me personally was it better than two no but it's not like if I'm going to do an uncharted replay I'm not going to skip it.

[00:32:17] But this I'm a step back on three.

[00:32:20] I don't think it's, I think they, Naughty Dog is always trying to be the top of the mark when it comes to animations and technology.

[00:32:29] They're always kind of like Square Enix and Final Fantasy where they're always trying to be the best, you know, top of the mark right.

[00:32:36] I think the combination of high technology and high action and high gameplay really hit a nice balance and two where swings too much in the corner of cinematics and three.

[00:32:48] I don't find three plays as tight as two.

[00:32:51] I remember a big deal with three was context, there was context specific animations where it dates against a wall who puts hand out and touch the wall or he's going through a crowd of people.

[00:33:03] He's like, feels his way.

[00:33:05] Yes, thank you.

[00:33:06] Feels his way through the crowd.

[00:33:08] And I always remember playing a thing that is totally it's not working.

[00:33:12] It's not working.

[00:33:13] He's just going like this in his face and no one's reacting properly.

[00:33:16] And like it kind of we did too much technology for this immersion and really for me to in three again this is a good game.

[00:33:24] None of these games are bad in my opinion.

[00:33:26] But for me, it got almost too silly.

[00:33:30] The line between what was believable that a person could do, you know, escaping a falling train.

[00:33:36] That's a believable thing.

[00:33:37] But the end of three hasn't been dragged by Jeeps and what all so much by its and it's ridiculous and bonkers.

[00:33:46] But for me, for some reason, I just didn't.

[00:33:50] I don't want to realistic uncharted, but it got a little too loony tunes for me in that game.

[00:33:57] When I think she for brings a little back to center.

[00:33:59] So three is a step back, a minor step back for me.

[00:34:02] Still good time still fun and they're improving everything.

[00:34:05] The handheld the hands at hand combats much better than three.

[00:34:09] Yes, it is in two and one.

[00:34:10] It's actually a viable thing to do.

[00:34:12] But I feel like they just try to make it too cinematic in the everyday gameplay which allowed which was forcing me to play less.

[00:34:21] If that makes sense.

[00:34:22] I want to play the game.

[00:34:23] I don't want to hit the button and have Nate do his do his ocean.

[00:34:29] Swim there you go.

[00:34:30] They can swim through the swim through the environment.

[00:34:33] So it went too far that way.

[00:34:35] I think I was like two is a beautiful sweet spot for me.

[00:34:38] It reminds me of the it's like the resident evil fans, like the divergent of resident evil fans of the people who like six and the people who don't like six.

[00:34:46] And that's like the same type of argument because six is the epitome of silly and boy do I love six for it.

[00:34:53] It's like my favorite one probably.

[00:34:55] So one thing I do find about three that I think like Bill had said this game loves its set pieces like a lot.

[00:35:03] And because of that there are scenes in this game that could very well have been taken out of the game and it would not have affected anything in the storyline.

[00:35:13] Like there's a scene where Nate is on a capsized sinking ship.

[00:35:18] And you literally start in one area go on the ship and literally returned to the same area.

[00:35:24] And that entire scene was pointless just to showcase who capsizing ship.

[00:35:29] Yeah, yeah.

[00:35:30] It's like wouldn't this be cool.

[00:35:32] And they're like all right write something good for that.

[00:35:34] And then they came back like a year later like OK what did we write for the ship.

[00:35:38] I don't know man.

[00:35:40] I don't where we put it.

[00:35:41] I don't know just put a bunch of cool shit flying around and then make it like look interesting.

[00:35:45] That that I love the sinker.

[00:35:47] I love the sinking ship scene.

[00:35:49] It is great but it has no point in that story at all.

[00:35:53] That's also like the worst part of the game if you're playing on a hard difficulty because oh God.

[00:35:59] I mean I love it.

[00:36:00] The desert banded scene with like the convoy that's in hard mode.

[00:36:04] Yeah, because there's like no nowhere to hide.

[00:36:06] You're just getting shot.

[00:36:07] It's like what are you supposed to do.

[00:36:09] I remember there was a one of the beat it might have been Neil Druckmann or maybe it was just a dev high up in Naughty Dog but they were talking about how if not if uncharted to an uncharted three released in reverse order that they would it would have the same like the reverence uncharted three would be the one that people think are the better game is the better game.

[00:36:28] Like it was just whichever one came first.

[00:36:31] Like I don't remember what his what he was prompted by to say that but

[00:36:38] I mean it wouldn't make sense story wise but

[00:36:43] so maybe

[00:36:46] before we got to four there was another uncharted game they got released that not a lot of people played

[00:36:52] a little game for the Vita uncharted goal this has everyone here played this one.

[00:36:57] I played at one time.

[00:36:59] I never played it I never had a Vita so that's the one the one I missed so I'll let I'll bow out of this conversation.

[00:37:06] Okay, so what were your thoughts on a golden abyss.

[00:37:11] I played the golden abyss for the first time last fall when I was visiting my fiance in England I borrowed her friends Vita I was like this is the only uncharted I've never played I just want to borrow it for like the two weeks that I'm here and I'm like play it.

[00:37:26] It's very apparent that it is Ben studio making this game.

[00:37:31] Yes, and I first I will preface this with that I really enjoyed days gone.

[00:37:36] I think that game is very fun.

[00:37:38] My problem with the way that they do narrative games is it's not what they excel at it's there but they're not very good at executing it so my biggest gripes are.

[00:37:49] Okay, we get to an area.

[00:37:51] I meet someone or I pick something up 10 to 15 second cutscene.

[00:37:55] I'm going to walk another 10 feet to round a corner.

[00:37:58] And now I'm going to there's a 10 to 15 second cutscene days gone does this like all the time and it's just like you don't you could if you want to cutscene fine but take the out the walking in between and condense it to one cutscene.

[00:38:13] So, I thought it was fun.

[00:38:16] There's things about this game that I actually really really enjoyed and wish were in other uncharted games, but I could I.

[00:38:23] It's very apparent to me that they gave the license to another studio to make this game.

[00:38:28] What I did like was taking photos and adding it to your little book.

[00:38:34] I liked finding artifacts and just using the touch to like watch controls yeah.

[00:38:40] That's not like a Vita exclusive we have touch pads that a lot of games don't use unless you watch an open inventory or open the map.

[00:38:47] You can quiet hasn't this been ported why did I have to borrow my friends Vita to play this game.

[00:38:54] But it's not like anything on the Vita specifically is making I mean maybe the picture of the camera I mean like I don't know I just feel like that they made this game specifically to sell this console because uncharted is a staple

[00:39:09] of like PlayStation Studios.

[00:39:11] I really didn't need to do this it's an ancillary story.

[00:39:15] You don't see any of the other characters it's a completely separate adventure and whether you play it or you don't play it.

[00:39:23] I like how in the game like the climbing because the climbing is like the most boring thing to me in the game.

[00:39:31] You don't like doing this with your Vita back screen.

[00:39:34] Well that was the thing is that I was like oh I could just climb with it.

[00:39:38] That's kind of neat like the Vita doesn't a lot of games don't use the pad in the back so I'm like oh cool I'm doing something with this actually.

[00:39:46] See that was I love doing that until I realized I could just hold up the button I was like oh you don't even have to do it.

[00:39:52] Oh yeah I just continued to do it because I that pad like the Vita would be like decrepit and used and then that pad would be pristine and mint conditioned still because nothing ever used it.

[00:40:02] So like whatever I can do to play with this back thing.

[00:40:07] So the best way to describe uncharted golden the bis is it is essentially so it's a prequel to one so it's like there's no baggage that it has to jump right into it.

[00:40:20] Nathan can't die.

[00:40:22] Get replaced by a skin Walker Nathan.

[00:40:27] Graphically the game is the fact that it looks almost as good as uncharted one is actually really impressive and says a lot about the Vita.

[00:40:35] It looks so good I was a Vita I was I was in there for the Vita man I was so mad whenever started to die.

[00:40:43] I was ready I was right I was right or died for that thing.

[00:40:46] I was a PSP person.

[00:40:48] One thing I will agree with live on is.

[00:40:55] So I am a massive Ben studio defender they're like one of my favorite like studios ever like I love siping filter like I wish that series would come back probably never will but that's besides the point.

[00:41:06] John Garvin great writer.

[00:41:09] He's no Amy Henning like that is a very clear difference there.

[00:41:14] Game itself though very fun.

[00:41:17] It's just uncharted on the go it's like uncharted light basically.

[00:41:22] It's like a D&D one shot of Nathan Drake adventure.

[00:41:25] So here's an adventure.

[00:41:27] It could have been like a comic book to be honest I didn't really feel like it needed to be a game which they do have an uncharted comic books.

[00:41:33] There's like six issues which I read again just like a throwaway story that they kind of made doesn't really relate to the mainline games at all.

[00:41:41] Yeah it's being like the story I don't remember the only thing I remember from the Vita as far as story goes is that is the Easter egg when you replay the game.

[00:41:51] There is a guy like you're like in a room and it's like oh we need the treasure there's a guy on that on that throne.

[00:41:57] You got to go over there and they're over there talking and the guy who's in the mocaps who goes and then scares the female voice actor who's doing the mocap and she's screaming and she's like go to hell guys like you know it's just a prank and what his name is laughing it's like go look it up.

[00:42:14] I described that's really funny.

[00:42:16] I didn't have time to replay it.

[00:42:18] I cranked it out while I was there and then I said okay now I can say I played it.

[00:42:22] It is a legit jump scare when you're playing at a second time because you're like not expecting something different to happen but I wish more games would do silly things like that.

[00:42:32] Golden the best side say is worth playing but it's definitely it's not required to truly enjoy the entire series as a whole.

[00:42:42] So now moving on.

[00:42:44] We had the wonderful collection highly recommend picking this up if you've never played the any uncharted games.

[00:42:50] Great ports but as for the next game.

[00:42:54] Uncharted 4 Thief's End.

[00:42:56] So this game I wasn't expecting honestly I thought Naughty Dog was going to do their classic three games and move on which they did but then they came back to uncharted.

[00:43:10] That's how good uncharted it is.

[00:43:12] I mean interesting thing about this game right off the bat.

[00:43:16] Amy Henning had left Naughty Dog by this point so this game was actually done by the last of us team of Bruce Strayley and Neil Druckman.

[00:43:26] You can tell.

[00:43:28] One thing I think is that the Amy Henning wrote a lot of the stuff and then when she left they reused a lot of it and just like jumbled it around.

[00:43:40] So they did it in their own way but a lot of the stuff like the set pieces and stuff that she had written or something like that were still there just in a different context.

[00:43:49] Well I believe she was around at the start of production for 4 but she ended up leaving early on so they took over and this is definitely the darkest uncharted.

[00:44:00] You can tell that right away.

[00:44:02] You can tell literally put the boxes next to each other it is physically the darkest one.

[00:44:08] Well I mean we're going from the lightest to the darkest here.

[00:44:12] Yeah look at that he's standing in the dark it's so moody.

[00:44:15] It looks like a college.

[00:44:17] I kind of didn't like.

[00:44:19] I think Uncharted 4 was fun.

[00:44:22] I enjoyed it but it doesn't feel like an uncharted game to me.

[00:44:28] I shouldn't be sad.

[00:44:31] I'm supposed to be getting treasured and having fun and it's so apparent that the people that worked on The Last of Us were asked to work on this because they have this really dark story.

[00:44:43] And if we go and talk about the story from Uncharted 3 you already see that Elena and Nathan's relationship is on the rocks.

[00:44:51] And then he goes and pisses me off in this game so much and I'm yelling at him.

[00:44:55] Oh I'm yelling at my TV.

[00:44:57] I was like I'm so mad at him.

[00:45:00] And like but what I did like about this game was the ending and I like it perfectly wraps it up and I don't want Naughty Dog to touch this story anymore in regards of Nathan Drake.

[00:45:12] Let the man rest.

[00:45:14] Let him have a happy family.

[00:45:16] Just enough.

[00:45:18] I thought this was this is my favorite video game ending usually one of their deep into series.

[00:45:26] I am like I want another game.

[00:45:29] But this was the first game I've ever played where I feel satisfied.

[00:45:33] I was like this what we all just went through good.

[00:45:37] They are 100 million percent making another Uncharted game by the way.

[00:45:42] I don't think that Uncharted they did and it was great and they should keep doing that.

[00:45:50] Agreed.

[00:45:51] I agree with everything you said live.

[00:45:53] I think it's Uncharted 4.

[00:45:55] I think I might like a little better than Uncharted 2 because I think it plays the best out of the four.

[00:46:00] I think again from a play perspective they got everything is now kind of humming along beautifully.

[00:46:05] The ending of four is fantastic.

[00:46:07] We'll talk about we have a story section.

[00:46:09] We'll talk about that.

[00:46:11] I really like for I think four is wonderful.

[00:46:14] It definitely improved in all the silliness of three.

[00:46:17] I've rid of a lot of the supernatural stuff and all the it just and again very very last of us which I have mixed feelings about the last of us as well.

[00:46:27] But the I'm just sick of the last of us.

[00:46:30] Let's just kind of say it here.

[00:46:32] I don't have an opportunity to say this on my show.

[00:46:34] Me and Bill are just going to be friends at the end of this.

[00:46:36] I'm so sick of the last of us.

[00:46:38] I don't want to see the TV show.

[00:46:40] We don't need to watch it.

[00:46:41] It's not for you.

[00:46:42] It's fine.

[00:46:45] My last podcast I had to fight with Frewie every week.

[00:46:48] Everything sucks.

[00:46:50] Everything sucks.

[00:46:51] I was like so go back and play your 13 year old boy games and play Left 4 Dead for the 16th million time then go play and blow stuff up mindlessly and not play the story.

[00:47:01] We fight about this regularly.

[00:47:03] I don't get a chance.

[00:47:05] I talk about old games on my shows.

[00:47:07] I never get a chance to talk about this.

[00:47:09] I last of us is fine.

[00:47:11] I just I'm sick of it.

[00:47:12] Sick of seeing it.

[00:47:13] I've had I'm kind of I'll I'll revisit it in 10 years.

[00:47:16] Take your glasses off and close your eyes.

[00:47:18] Okay.

[00:47:21] I have the opposite problem on my show where at this point it's become a meme on my show.

[00:47:25] It's like, oh, Dave hates the last of us, which is not true.

[00:47:28] It's not actually true, but I'm leaning into the meme to the point where guests will come on and they'll ask me when something comes up with the last was like, oh, maybe hear this thing.

[00:47:36] And I'm just like, oh God, are we going to talk about this again?

[00:47:40] I think I guess maybe the last of us has become my bio shock infinite.

[00:47:43] I guess that's how I people now when they're on my show or my little shows how much I loathe that game and I think it's bad.

[00:47:49] It's actually genuinely a bad game.

[00:47:51] We won't get into that because we're talking about uncharted now uncharted force great.

[00:47:56] And it does have one of the best endings.

[00:47:58] It's up there as far as like top video game endings, because it just feels like it's over this now the story is complete.

[00:48:06] We're not leaving hanging participles for other things.

[00:48:10] And yes, you have we have another game of course to talk about.

[00:48:12] And I think mechanically it's so sound and everything is kind of this humming along really well.

[00:48:18] And I like the more grounded emotional story beats.

[00:48:22] I like the more emotional stuff that really was another side of Nathan Drake other than just being like this, the kind of the cock sure adventure type.

[00:48:30] It was it was really cool to me.

[00:48:32] I feel like it was super important to go through the dumb young full of come Nathan Drake before getting to four though, because if it was just like uncharted one then uncharted four.

[00:48:43] They wouldn't be nearly as impactful as having like this dumb goofball the whole time through and then suddenly he's getting confronted with real life problems like things are really starting to fall apart in an untenable way and it's like,

[00:48:57] And you're getting to watch this guy go Oh, maybe I should grow up a little bit as he's like wanting to go out and hang out with the boys.

[00:49:04] It's like it's such a relatable story even though he's doing outlandish stuff.

[00:49:08] And I do like I don't.

[00:49:10] It's like okay the game is very like grim in a lot of moments, but I think that there's a lot of like poetic poetry to that.

[00:49:18] And that's just something that the last of his team is just really good at is like that kind of poetic like horseshoe back around kind of thing.

[00:49:26] No question but I think that it's funny that you guys were talking about all the stories over it's in it's a sad it's so satisfying and it's really good.

[00:49:34] But when I got to that end, which is again, like you guys said, one of my favorite endings of the game of all time also.

[00:49:41] As soon as I saw it I was like, Oh, they're making another one that would look at that cliffhanger.

[00:49:46] Like it's you guys are like that's final no there's no more and I'm like, Oh, I could see how they're going to continue this.

[00:49:52] Why did you feel like it was a cliffhanger?

[00:49:55] Why did you why do we talk about it?

[00:49:58] Believe me if this is too much.

[00:50:00] They're gonna let's save it.

[00:50:02] I'm going to put up a spoiler wall when we get to story. Let's save it for when we get to the story segment.

[00:50:06] Okay, your ass is listening bill saved you.

[00:50:09] I was one word away from a spoiler.

[00:50:12] Okay.

[00:50:13] Yeah, we'll save it for that because I'm going to put a spoiler.

[00:50:16] We've a few things here and there but nothing major.

[00:50:18] I'm going to put a big spoiler there for people listening.

[00:50:21] Live write a note remind me to answer that question.

[00:50:24] Because I'll forget.

[00:50:25] Okay, yes. Yes, I will.

[00:50:27] We'll start back to that.

[00:50:29] Put a pin just so um for me uncharted for honestly hold on wait.

[00:50:35] It's funny because the question is about a cliffhanger and we just left the listener on a cliffhanger.

[00:50:39] Very bad to get that out.

[00:50:41] Okay, very meta.

[00:50:43] Well done.

[00:50:44] So for uncharted for like when I when this game was announced I was kind of like, Oh, they're doing another uncharted.

[00:50:50] Cool.

[00:50:51] And I was like, I'll buy it day one, which I did.

[00:50:54] And I'm not going to lie.

[00:50:56] This is my favorite entry in the series like mine too.

[00:50:59] Almost my it's actually almost my favorite ps4 game in general.

[00:51:03] Mine too.

[00:51:04] I love this game from like the second the second I started playing it.

[00:51:09] I could not put it down.

[00:51:11] It was actually similar to like my experience playing the original Last of Us where the second I started playing it.

[00:51:16] I just could not stop because I had to know what happened.

[00:51:18] I think that's a big part of like Strayly and Druckman's like writing style is they keep you interested the entire way.

[00:51:24] And at first I was thinking like this is this game has like one of the biggest cliches ever right at the start.

[00:51:31] How are they going to make this work with the whole cliche of basically like, yeah, oh his long lost brother shows up out of nowhere.

[00:51:38] One of the biggest cliches ever.

[00:51:40] They made it work.

[00:51:41] Such a character.

[00:51:43] He's so good and he's so fleshed out and got so much baggage and it makes it so much worse for Nathan.

[00:51:50] It pulls him in many directions just his influence.

[00:51:54] So fucking good.

[00:51:56] Yeah, like, yeah, they nailed everything in this game as far as I'm concerned.

[00:52:02] We'll get into it when we talk a story later and in the end about how much it did.

[00:52:08] But like to me, like this game from beginning to end was like the perfect conclusion to the Uncharted series until it wasn't.

[00:52:17] Because we have one more game.

[00:52:19] Uncharted Lost Legacy.

[00:52:22] I love this game as well.

[00:52:25] It's great.

[00:52:26] I love this game.

[00:52:27] I loved it.

[00:52:28] I always considered it more of like just an expansion but it kind of is it's a very short game.

[00:52:35] It's only like like 10 hours, I want to say.

[00:52:38] And I think it's right.

[00:52:39] Yeah.

[00:52:40] And they sold it at a discount, which was very nice because you could I think it was like 20 bucks 30 bucks.

[00:52:45] Yeah, I finished it in a sitting.

[00:52:47] That's how quick this one goes by.

[00:52:50] So Lost Legacy essentially for those who don't know this is essentially it tied up all the loose ends that kind of got forgotten at the end of particularly Chloe Frazier and what she was doing after three.

[00:53:04] What Naughty Dog did was they went to a Reddit thread with people complaining and just wrote everything down and they're like spitefully made a game.

[00:53:13] And I will say, aside from like one brief mention, Nathan Drake does not appear in this game at all.

[00:53:20] His story is done after four and they moved on to.

[00:53:23] And it works.

[00:53:24] It really did.

[00:53:25] I hope like I don't know if they're going to make another uncharted.

[00:53:28] There's like this huge rumor that there's like going to be another one that but by a different studio and I just like I just want more of them like they have all this.

[00:53:37] These people have all these baggage or bring Sam back at the because he shows up just like let the three of them go around and like do stuff.

[00:53:45] I'll play the shit out of that.

[00:53:47] Yeah.

[00:53:49] That's what so when looping back around to what we were talking about at the beginning I forgot about this.

[00:53:54] But now I remember my a lot of people play uncharted for the gameplay.

[00:53:58] A lot of people play it for like the puzzle solving.

[00:54:00] I don't know who plays it for the puzzle solving, but there's a bunch of different reasons to play uncharted and mine isn't particularly the story.

[00:54:06] I couldn't care less about much of the story.

[00:54:09] I love the character interactions and the way that they talk and banter and do all of this stuff like the people are so lived in is even in one.

[00:54:17] It's kind of still it's kind of still there in one but in two.

[00:54:21] It's all over the place like they're they are so lovable like Nathan Drake and and Sully and it's it just you get to love these people as you go on and when you get to the end of four.

[00:54:32] All of that love is just the reverence that the studio has for these characters is just on full display and that's probably why I hold four in such a high regard was not really the story but because of how much love with

[00:54:46] Sean to the characters.

[00:54:49] No 100% which I want to say about this game but I have to wait for the spoiler.

[00:54:54] I'm going to have you I'm going to have you guys laughing at how ridiculous like something I'm going to say is awesome.

[00:55:01] So any other thoughts on a loss legacy before we move on to the spoiler section.

[00:55:07] Sure as a game.

[00:55:09] I like trophies in this game. They're very fun and silly.

[00:55:13] Like there's a trophy for driving a Jeep off the waterfall or climbing to the top of the tower and doing a yoga pose, driving from one point from to the driving between two locations in like less than three minutes.

[00:55:26] I felt like the trophies in this game were kind of fun if you just wanted to make the game a little longer by doing silly ancillary stuff that nothing to do with the story.

[00:55:35] Was an uncharted for the one with the trophy that the stage fright trophy.

[00:55:40] I think so.

[00:55:41] So the story behind it it was either three or four. I can't remember which I'm pretty sure it's four but so during a three conference they had a live demo and the live demo didn't work so the character.

[00:55:51] So so Nate just stood there for like two and a half minutes and the trophies for standing there exactly how long he stood there during the three conference in that part of the game.

[00:56:03] It's like insanely cute. I love it. I love stuff like that. Have fun with your trophies. They're there you have to put them in your game. You might as well do cool things.

[00:56:12] Come on.

[00:56:13] I love the silly ones. I love the silly ones.

[00:56:15] Oh yeah.

[00:56:16] The best part about that E3 fuck up to me is the fact that it actually justified Naughty Dog's whole claim that this was actually in game footage because everyone was complaining that it was just CG and they were faking it.

[00:56:27] And then they showed an actual technical glitch and everyone's like, oh no it is real.

[00:56:31] Yeah, we can blame you can blame Sony for all of that because the fucking killzone two thing that they did where they faked up gameplay with CG. Oh I could go on a rape rampage about that.

[00:56:45] One last thing on Lost Legs. Yeah I want to bring up this is more of a gameplay thing.

[00:56:50] This game has one segment in it that none of the other games really have that I think is really interesting is in the middle of the game there is one section that is literally this giant open like hub.

[00:57:03] And you kind of do a whole bunch of tasks all around the central hub before you move on to the rest of the game. And it's such a cool idea and like area of exploration.

[00:57:13] And I kind of hope if we do get another Uncharted that they expand on that idea because it was just such a cool design. Yeah, Gears of War 5.

[00:57:22] Oh sorry go on Dave. I was going to say Gears of War 5 just straight up ripped that off like they're like oh do that. They were just taking notes from Naughty Dog.

[00:57:32] I felt like Uncharted 4 they tested that out with where you drive around with the Jeep but it was like wide but narrow. And this was a huge area and then they took that and brought it into the Last of Us part two where you have like the day one Seattle with Ellie.

[00:57:49] And you can go have like oh. So I really like that because that's where all the fun trophies were too.

[00:57:58] It was just kind of cool like you could do. You didn't have to follow a linear path which is something that this series is kind of known for as being incredibly linear. That was a very open ended like you could kind of it wasn't open world truly but it was kind of like a semi open kind of thing where you could do all these tasks all in your own basically as you please before you move on it was just it was neat.

[00:58:19] I kind of I really like to do all of the tasks they do reward you with a bracelet to like no one collectibles are nearby to interact with.

[00:58:28] Plus you get a ton of great dialogue just by exploring that area. Yes. Yeah.

[00:58:34] All right. So we've talked about the games now we're going to spoil them rod in here. So anybody who has not played uncharted the fact that you made it this far props to you but this is where I'm going to say cut we're going to cut cut you off here because we're going to spoil all these games and these are very plot heavy games so

[00:58:55] basically stop listening now play the games and then come back and finish.

[00:59:00] So that's how you double up on downloads right there. Right.

[00:59:05] So uncharted we should start with a I guess start from the beginning of the games kind of revolved around Nathan Drake who is a

[00:59:18] Explorer I guess you could say

[00:59:20] when these games came out they were very commonly like the running joke was oh it's just it's it's Tomb Raider but with a guy it's dude Raider.

[00:59:31] Don't don't look that up by the way just just trust me which is hilarious because the later Tomb Raider games basically became uncharted but yeah basically poetic.

[00:59:43] But yeah we kind of follow the adventures of Nathan Drake and his partner Victor Sullivan as they go through all these different adventures he later meets like side characters like Elena Fisher and Chloe Frazier as we met later and each game kind of has like one central like kind of like

[00:59:59] treasure like discovery like him ballas and one of them like there's like the pirate treasures all these different like actual treasures but the game kind of very kind of plays around like with the whole idea behind them.

[01:00:10] And the games are kind of built around that overall.

[01:00:14] So.

[01:00:17] It's bumping behind me.

[01:00:20] I hope that's not getting picked up.

[01:00:22] Vibrating my whole house.

[01:00:25] You're all good.

[01:00:28] So Adam is a great player.

[01:00:31] So we're going to be talking about the game.

[01:00:34] So Adam is a great player.

[01:00:35] I hope that's not getting picked up.

[01:00:37] Vibrating my whole house.

[01:00:40] You're all good.

[01:00:43] So out of the I'm going to take a golden abyss out of the equation here because it's a very different writing style out of like the main stories which one would you guys say is probably your favorite.

[01:00:54] For I think would be for sure.

[01:00:58] Yeah again I really appreciated that the character study in Navy and you put it perfectly this game thrice off the strength of its characters and their character interactions so and four is the best example of it.

[01:01:10] So I think four is by far my my favorite of the stories but again the story is not what I'm really here for per se I'm here for the characters like you said Dave I'm here for the insane jumping off of crumbling buildings and fun set pieces.

[01:01:23] I'm here for popcorn here for popcorn action and it always delivers.

[01:01:29] I'm quite partial to four as well but I don't know if that's recency bias because I can vividly remember a lot of four but I but there's like a five year gap between four and three and then there's like a year gap between those and a year gap it's like I don't know that's probably infecting my brain a little bit.

[01:01:46] I I try to choose that I think is my favorite in the series.

[01:01:54] It's probably I really like Elena Fisher's character and the fact that because of the narrative of four she's not included as much and Nathan being a douche I feel I was mad at him the whole time and I think that kind of impacted how I felt about that game but I'm not sure if it's a good idea.

[01:02:16] I think the gameplay is the best in four.

[01:02:19] I my favorite parts of that game were driving around the Jeep and when you get to drive around the boat like I had a lot of fun playing that game.

[01:02:26] But I I think it's most polished and then you get like the answer or a piece that is the lost legacy and I really think that like you could really kind of just put that into one because there's not any real upgrades over.

[01:02:40] Yeah.

[01:02:41] So I would say that it's like Uncharted 2 and then like Uncharted 4 is like right here.

[01:02:49] I'm pretty close on that too.

[01:02:51] I think probably like like on three the story is like I don't even remember what happened at three I only remember set pieces.

[01:02:58] So I'm like okay so that couldn't have possibly been so thought provoking that I could can't remember anything.

[01:03:05] So one thing about these games that like so we've mentioned that the characters are really like the biggest part of these games like kind of like the driving force of why people love these games so much.

[01:03:17] To me one of the main reasons why these characters work so well is their excellent voice voice work like Nolan North is Nathan Drake like.

[01:03:30] Nolan North was pretty big before Uncharted but I pretty sure this game cemented him as like probably one of the greatest voice actors and video games.

[01:03:38] Yeah, because every time I hear him I'm like oh wait that's Nathan Drake.

[01:03:42] I don't remember Nolan North I just remember Nathan Drake.

[01:03:45] Emily Rose as Elena Fisher like she nails it like my favorite part is like yeah apparently she came in with a friend for the who was auditioning for the role and they ended up her chemistry with Nolan North was so good that they kept giving her the role instead.

[01:03:59] I love that.

[01:04:01] And then my personal favorite is Richard McGonagall as like Victor Sullivan like.

[01:04:08] Oh man.

[01:04:10] Any scene he is in he just like choose the scenery and steals the show he is such a great character like even though they fake out killing him like three times throughout the series.

[01:04:22] I fall for it every damn time I hate myself.

[01:04:26] Same.

[01:04:27] Like here are you dying in jacuzzi and then I still cry even though it's not true.

[01:04:33] See they killed him off twice in Uncharted one and like we fell forward.

[01:04:38] I did.

[01:04:40] Well you're like surely they wouldn't do it again.

[01:04:44] And then they do it in three but three is so believable like but even though you later find out it was all hallucination.

[01:04:49] But there was also like great scenes like Elena's near death at the end of two where like I thought I did do I thought like that was where she died and I was like oh great like they're going to kill the love interest in the second game of course.

[01:05:10] Yeah which I had no context I was like well this is awful this hurts me a lot but I will say that confused the hell out of me at the start.

[01:05:19] I was like the first time I've ever seen a girl like Elena.

[01:05:23] You know she's like I think it's not true because like you start to and it's like Elena's not here and you're with this new girl named Chloe.

[01:05:28] What's going on here.

[01:05:30] Oh yeah I was like scandalous whatever this shit started but there's the other girl and she's like what is it she doesn't have her ring on or something or my thing before.

[01:05:39] They have the light base tease that they're on and off again because Nathan Drake is not a faithful man he's just like I'm going on an adventure.

[01:05:46] Whoa you could die.

[01:05:47] I don't get that Nathan Drake okay like isn't a good person.

[01:05:51] I'm just gonna say it's not a good person.

[01:05:53] Can you imagine is it because he killed another people.

[01:05:56] Murder aside can you imagine being in a relationship with someone who's like okay I'm going to go like he's not going around the corner to get milk going around the corner to get milk is him going to Africa and then mountain climbing and then shooting a bunch of people and then like he might come back but you don't know that you're just supposed to like wait around.

[01:06:13] I am Horace.

[01:06:14] What am I supposed to do with this.

[01:06:17] You're supposed to like I can't imagine putting up with him.

[01:06:21] Elena deserves better but I love their dialogue together.

[01:06:25] I feel like I should be going to bat for Elena.

[01:06:29] You just better.

[01:06:31] The scene where they make up the scene where they make up and floor is like one of the most heartwarming scenes in the.

[01:06:36] Totally.

[01:06:39] When she fakes him out that she's dead is the greatest thing ever.

[01:06:44] Wonderful.

[01:06:46] He's like he's like no you can't do that to me and she's like well I just did.

[01:06:50] You've been doing this to me for every year for the past like you know every few months.

[01:06:55] It's just like they they know each other so well and the writing like backs that up like perfectly and the chemistry like you guys are saying between Nolan North and what's your name it's just wonderful like it's wonderful it's like they're literally sitting there just talking for 10 hours and they're like just clip these sentences.

[01:07:14] Together to make a conversation that makes sense in the context of Uncharted.

[01:07:19] It feels like I'll say to like when they introduce Chloe in a in two you're kind of like especially if you were like a huge fan of Elena you kind of at the start you're kind of like you don't want to like her but then you play the like a few minutes and you're like she's such a great character too so you kind of have to like her as well and then you get to later in the game and you realize oh they're both great characters.

[01:07:41] I love playing as her in the Lost Legacy.

[01:07:44] A lot of fun a lot of fun.

[01:07:46] One of my favorite lines of dialogue is when you into when you re when you re run into Elena again and they meet and Chloe's like who's this and Elena's like Elena Fisher last year's model it's like.

[01:07:58] I love she's I love Elena Fisher favorite character in the series for me.

[01:08:06] She plays crash she plays Crash Bandicoot in four.

[01:08:10] I love that and the fucking the fucking end of the game.

[01:08:15] That's cool.

[01:08:17] What you see there.

[01:08:20] So they play Crash Bandicoot which is homage to the earlier time when the Elena and Nate were playing Crash Bandicoot but then it's revealed that Elena and they have a daughter and the next Uncharted game is going to star her.

[01:08:33] I will bet my life on it.

[01:08:36] The next Uncharted game is going to be the adventures of I forget her name the daughter of Nathan Drake.

[01:08:42] Cassie.

[01:08:44] I don't feel like that's a cliffhanger.

[01:08:47] I feel like it's going to be a separate story.

[01:08:49] Are you can you like are the if it's like do you think she's really going to bring her like six year old dad on a mission.

[01:08:56] I think they're watching Nathan Drake died just feel like I don't know Nathan Drake is bringing his 60 year old dad figure.

[01:09:03] On his journeys.

[01:09:05] He's trying to not he's trying to sneak out in four.

[01:09:11] It's like not working.

[01:09:13] Here's what's going to happen.

[01:09:15] Cassie is going to bring her 90 year old grandfather along with her.

[01:09:18] That's what's going to go.

[01:09:20] What I think might happen if I want to just throw it through on a theory I want I think or what I want to happen is Cassie is the protagonist and instead of Solly it would be Drake's brother

[01:09:31] who obviously wants to keep doing the stuff.

[01:09:34] He's just going to take the solely role and take Cassie along with them and then that's going to wrap Nathan back into another adventure somewhere halfway through and they're going to go and get into Sananigans and then maybe Elena gets mad at like I think that that's

[01:09:47] No, I don't want her to be mad anymore.

[01:09:50] She deserves peace.

[01:09:52] She deserves a peaceful.

[01:09:55] Yeah she deserves a night's rest and a husband that comes home.

[01:09:57] Hey honey.

[01:09:59] Bye.

[01:10:01] This was a yeah for what I wanted you know for the next uncharted game is I felt like the Lost Legacy kind of like group the three of them to be the next group with Nadine Ross Chloe Frazier Sam.

[01:10:13] But I got I got I'm going to make you laugh.

[01:10:17] Okay so going into this game.

[01:10:19] I thought I thought it was spoiled to me that's that Nadine and Chloe get together.

[01:10:27] I thought that I thought that we'll circle back why one so they get into that huge fight where Nadine punches her in the face and she was like it's raining and I said to myself I said they're not really leaving a lot of time for them to fall in love like when does this happen so that it doesn't happen and I was like why do I think that why do I think that

[01:10:49] why did I think this so I go through Naughty Dog's Twitter and they showed a Christmas card of under a mistletoe Chloe and Nadine they put that thought in my head and I'm playing this game and Nadine is so mad at me this whole game.

[01:11:04] I was just like so when do we kiss like I just thought like I don't I don't feel like it's fitting and then after the game we roll credits as like so nothing in the like so I thought you're gonna.

[01:11:19] I thought you were going to say you were good you were getting the because this is like an expansion to uncharted and then there was an expansion to the last of us that had Ellie as the protagonist I thought you were confusing those.

[01:11:30] No they literally it's still on their Twitter you just have to go back to like 2016 to find I did a lot of digging because I was like why do I think this.

[01:11:40] I was like who I was like I looked through my messages with my fiance I was like did you tell me this she's like no you played this game before I did I was like okay I was like so why do I think this and it's because they posted a Christmas card that eludes that to them I mean there's a lot of flirting it will go back forth but I was like we're not kissing yet.

[01:11:59] And I'm confused when this is supposed to happen.

[01:12:04] I will say I love the ending of lost legacy where it's literally just Chloe Nadine the little girl from the start and Sam just eating pizza and they just dump on Sam the entire time.

[01:12:14] So I hope that like if we do get like a lost legacy two or something it's with the three of them I don't want Nathan they had a really good chemistry.

[01:12:23] They do and going back to the voice acting Claudia Black and Laura Bailey are very talented and Sam with Troy Baker I mean it will sell.

[01:12:32] Yeah that's the that's the biggest issue that I have is that whatever the next chart it is I don't think Sully is going to be there for the most part and I'm just sad about that I just hurts me a lot.

[01:12:43] And the worst thing it's like if they do the thing that I'm talking about and then towards the end you go with your dad and visit Sully's grave or something I'm going to fucking die.

[01:12:55] I will turn into dust right there like I won't survive that.

[01:13:01] I have to say Uncharted 4 also there's a lot of things I love about Uncharted 4 like particularly the beginning opening scene where you play as young Drake and young Sam.

[01:13:11] Like which we need a rap group.

[01:13:15] We needed that desperate.

[01:13:16] We needed that desperately though to like introduce Sam because like at this point like I said like he was like literally the cliche brother like lost brother from nowhere.

[01:13:26] Yeah Nathan Drake marries Elena and doesn't mention that he thinks his brother's been dead.

[01:13:31] She goes to have a brother.

[01:13:33] I was like how are you married to this piece of shit like you have a basic fact about your life that you would share.

[01:13:42] Yeah he infuriates me.

[01:13:44] Well to be fair I got a few half brothers I've never met before I don't I wouldn't recognize them either.

[01:13:51] I was going to say though like one of my favorite parts of Uncharted 4 is the opening segment where right after Nate does his little like recovery dive with his new job.

[01:14:03] He's up in their attic and he's basically being a giant goober playing with a like a little pop gun thing and you if you look around that room it's all references to 1-3 and I think there might have been a golden the best reference in there.

[01:14:17] But like you look at all these pictures like you see the little his buddy when he was in the snow area in two.

[01:14:24] He's there like he's like he makes like a comedy like I miss your old friend which I just love stuff like that.

[01:14:30] Yeah when Cassie breaks into their the closet at the end in the epilogue and she's like why is this a gun holster.

[01:14:38] She's like doesn't know her parents.

[01:14:40] That's great too.

[01:14:41] It's nice to have those like victory laps because like a dragon infinite wealth which is like what you call Nas like a dragon they do that as well quite a bit where there are moments where you can reminisce on like the old games and it is such an awesome victory lap for people who've gone through all the games and so I really I really love the end of Uncharted 4 just had is such a great bow on Drake story.

[01:15:06] I love any ending that lets you like walk around and explore it at your own pace like point.

[01:15:12] Yep, I agree with that totally.

[01:15:14] Like you can just bum rush it and go right to the end and miss everything or you can explore every nook and cranny of that like house which I did just to see all the Easter eggs and little references and it's in Nathan Drake is.

[01:15:29] Oh yeah.

[01:15:31] So sweet that Nathan Drake is the person that would hoard all of that stuff to like you just it's totally within his character to have all of that stuff lying around.

[01:15:40] Cassie's little comments are great too because she like mentions like all the like my favorite is like the picture of Sully holding her as a baby and she clearly like just relieved herself and like her responses like sorry so sorry Sully stuff like that like it's just it's a it's a great I love.

[01:16:00] Well everything about for.

[01:16:03] So I kind of wanted to go into like set pieces now like from the series, like is that one of the things Uncharted is most known for is it set pieces and like every game has the very specific ones that just kind of like stand out above all else.

[01:16:20] Like for me like Uncharted one like one of my favorite scene besides the zombie apocalypse at the end comes out of nowhere.

[01:16:28] I love the random German like submarine you find like in the middle of the forest.

[01:16:34] Like playing the first time Sully died.

[01:16:39] Yes, when you find when if you're playing the Nathan Drake collection on PS5 it looks so good.

[01:16:47] Like they cleaned it up like so nicely stuff like that like Uncharted 3 alone is nothing but set pieces.

[01:16:54] Yeah, yeah.

[01:16:56] Yeah, they've alluded to it.

[01:16:59] He's like I don't really remember the story but I remember the pieces and it's so true because some of those even like made it into the Uncharted movie with the the the the airplane.

[01:17:11] Yeah, the airplane.

[01:17:13] And I feel like first thing I think has yeah I feel like Uncharted 3 probably has the most memorable pieces.

[01:17:19] They made it the cover of the game.

[01:17:20] Yeah.

[01:17:22] Well it is just so like it's like it's the exact same feeling I had when I started that for the second game and that was on the train.

[01:17:29] I was like this is incredible and then I got to the third one having that memory and still going this is incredible like like somehow it's just like it even though I expected some crazy stuff to happen.

[01:17:41] I was still completely blown away which I think is why it's even more memorable in my mind than the Uncharted 2.

[01:17:49] Not that it's better than the set piece Uncharted 2 but that I was I had a huge expectation and it still blew me away.

[01:17:56] Yeah.

[01:17:58] In Uncharted 3 one of the scenes that will always stick out to me like forever is the scene where right after the plane crash and you're just in the desert like yeah.

[01:18:07] Nate is like dying from like heat stroke and he's just wandering around trying to find an oasis.

[01:18:13] He's got a shirt on his head or something.

[01:18:15] When I first played this on PS3 the PS3's fans just went like.

[01:18:20] Like they're like they're just like the PS3 is fucking dying trying to render all this shit.

[01:18:27] Oh.

[01:18:29] I love in Lost Legacy I believe it might be towards the end with the train.

[01:18:34] There's a section where you're chasing after a train and I remember that being really interesting because again forgive me if my memory is fading on it but I remember you can either like be on your vehicle or you can do it on foot.

[01:18:46] There's like a lot of variety in that so it felt like a very didn't feel as scripted as the set pieces usually feel both Uncharted especially they feel like to run in the right direction.

[01:18:58] And don't miss a jump and you'll make it through OK where that one felt really lively and buried where I could approach it different ways.

[01:19:07] Or if it was scripted then it felt very natural.

[01:19:10] That would be a really good fun scene from Lost Legacy.

[01:19:14] To me the moment the Uncharted 4 to me was like the game where I truly discovered just how much more powerful the PS4 was compared to the PS3.

[01:19:25] Like one of the scene that I always think of like in my head that really like made me realize how mind blowing that game was was there's a scene when you finally get to like the pirate sanctuary village.

[01:19:38] There is a point where you're kind of going through like all the different like tree top house it like homes that they built and if you look in the background you can see more of them like just sitting there.

[01:19:50] And then like an hour's worth of gameplay later you realize I'm in that background segment there was no loading like it's all one giant rendered world and that blew my mind because like PS3 like there was very clever trickery at work to kind of hide stuff like that.

[01:20:07] Yeah squeezing through tight gaps and stuff the climbing mast loading it's like it's like developers do come up with those cool ways but then eventually when the when the populace catches on like Mass Effect elevators it's like.

[01:20:21] It's cute until it's overused and then and then like games are still infected by it because like with the PS5 and the Xbox series game consoles you have those SSDs and they make the loading like basically minimal but there still be games are still being made for the PlayStation 4 in the Xbox one so they still need to do the squeeze through the tight thing for a while to load the next room even though the next room got loaded a second ago.

[01:20:48] I mean like to me like somewhat related because the director of well the writer for this game was also Amy Henning.

[01:20:56] My favorite of all time is still Legacy of Cain Soul Reaver where like you'll notice that game has a lot of really long hallways for no reason.

[01:21:04] Yeah it's like I wonder what's going on here.

[01:21:06] So I'm trying to think other like major set pieces that like really stuck out like anyone have any other ones they want to bring up before we move on to another topic or the Yetis.

[01:21:20] Oh yeah where I was like this isn't real and then I'm like oh I think this is real like I think I had the same kind of feeling I was like I'm not really sure if this is really happening.

[01:21:33] I do like that they did move away from the supernatural stuff.

[01:21:37] Yeah.

[01:21:38] It kind of felt random.

[01:21:42] Yeah because all the first three games all had one of those like random like supernatural like what the hell moments like the zombies in the beginning in one the Yetis and two and then three have like the weird like like spirit people I think.

[01:22:00] Yeah.

[01:22:01] I feel like in that game it made the most sense because they're going to like a lost civilization but like the first game I was like genuinely scared.

[01:22:09] I was like what is happening right now.

[01:22:11] I like at that level I was so lost I could not figure out how to get out of there and those things once you kill them they just keep responding.

[01:22:19] So I fought those things for like half an hour because I couldn't figure out where to freaking go.

[01:22:22] So another topic I wanted to bring up because this is something that the series is kind of infamous for is this series has some very jank boss fights like final bosses in particular.

[01:22:38] Oh man.

[01:22:40] First one is so boring.

[01:22:42] Oh the first the final boss of Drake's fortune is literally a cutscene basically.

[01:22:44] It was so boring.

[01:22:46] I'm going from one box to one box and when you are in between reloading I was like that's the boss.

[01:22:54] That was a problem with Naughty Dog for a while is that they didn't understand that you could make a video game and not have boss fights in it.

[01:23:01] Yeah.

[01:23:03] None of the boss fights you are necessary especially on charted for has a good one though the sword fight in the burning pirate ship is fucking epic.

[01:23:11] Oh yeah I guess that is a boss fight.

[01:23:14] I guess it's weird because I'm like that's not a boss fight there's no health bar goober but I'm like wait that doesn't make any sense what I think that but the I really particularly hate and I think it's in two or maybe it's in three the immortal guy who's like the big bad guy and like I don't remember how you fight

[01:23:33] I'm like this is the most jarring thing I've ever experienced in a game where like suddenly there's an immortal guy.

[01:23:43] This makes me they make no sense if anyone's immortal it's Sullivan because he's died three times.

[01:23:49] Well he appears very briefly in Uncharted Gold in the this and he actually gets taken out of the games plot because he hurts his back.

[01:23:57] Man that was so minimal like I don't remember him showing up.

[01:24:02] So there's a scene in the middle of Golden Abyss where Marissa Chase kind of like runs off because her and Nate don't like each other to start and you get in sully to rescue her and there's a point where you're in a canoe going down a hill and you have to use the beat as like motion controls to steer the canoe.

[01:24:25] I've heard about this. I heard. Yeah.

[01:24:29] That didn't experience if I heard about it. Yeah, it's it's like very short and then sully goes away again and you're kind of like man.

[01:24:36] I don't even know why they paid him. I think he was kind of by ourselves. Well he I'll give him credit. He has the ending of the game. He has one of his best lines ever which is a he comes back right at the end and this is after Marissa and Nate have already finished the plot and he's being a real man.

[01:24:54] I think all nice to Marissa Chase because of course he is and she refers to him as Mr. Sullivan and he goes no, no, no, no, no, Mr. Sullivan is what the IRS calls me or something which is great.

[01:25:07] That's good. Good line. Good line.

[01:25:09] So speaking of characters, what do you guys think of this game the series villains because like the villains to me have always been they are very good at making you hate them.

[01:25:20] I can't remember a single one of their names.

[01:25:23] Same. Same. I have a wiki up in front of me and as I'm reading it my mind is deleting as the as the names are coming through.

[01:25:32] My problem is I can't change what I'm looking at because you'd so look at that I immediately you're like oh, names not paying attention anymore.

[01:25:40] Oh look he's back. Oh nice.

[01:25:42] Look he's looking at something.

[01:25:44] I think enemies are they're fine.

[01:25:49] I don't feel like any of them are really that memorable.

[01:25:52] I feel like in four, they kind of made them more personable like Eddie Rajah, I think in the first game is the guy is yeah he's yeah he's like OK.

[01:26:04] It's just like this guy. And in the second game was our bitch. He's just power hungry then in three you had Marlene Katherine Marlowe Marlowe.

[01:26:22] Yeah her. You feel like like a she's not even really the big baddie at the end you fight.

[01:26:30] Well yeah because she dies in the quicksand.

[01:26:32] She gets Boba feted or Janko Fett.

[01:26:36] No no no Nate Nate tries to save her but she wants the damn ring more so she's a quicksand.

[01:26:42] Yeah I feel like I'm really on board with Dave there I was like I feel like I remember like the set pieces of Uncharted 3 but the actual narrative I was like.

[01:26:51] So I can remember the villains in four like Nadine and Rafe because you find out the pirate captain wasn't real.

[01:27:04] Oh Harry Flynn Harry Flynn's the one I was remember from two right right because he was such a smug bastard the entire game.

[01:27:13] Yeah I feel like it wasn't until four where they kind of figured out how to really make beaver bullets in this game.

[01:27:21] Although to be fair yeah lost legacy I can't remember the villain of that game either.

[01:27:27] They put all their juice into into Sully like Sully did all the charisma.

[01:27:33] Well and these games are really all about as we've said before about the lead characters and about their stories about what they go through.

[01:27:39] So the fact that the villains are all kind of you know bad guy of the month mustache twirling I want more money goal power etc.

[01:27:48] That's actually OK I think I don't think this game really needs compelling villains because again it's all about that journey as opposed to the ending.

[01:27:57] I actually said something smart too because I said they put all the charisma into Sully because I think more than one of the games.

[01:28:05] It's like are you betraying me Sully like are you betraying me.

[01:28:09] That's like a storyline for like the first one in the fourth one I think or and then the brother as well as like I don't know who's betraying me.

[01:28:17] Someone's not telling me everything.

[01:28:19] I don't know because I remember that when I played the first one I was like OK I've played the second one I know you're in it but that doesn't mean you can't betray me here so I don't know.

[01:28:28] Right. You can betray me and not die.

[01:28:29] I don't know.

[01:28:31] I was going to say four kind of ruins this but like there was a great them like thematic like book ending where in Uncharted one Sully's plane crashes and gets destroyed on the island.

[01:28:43] But then at the end of Uncharted three he has a new plane and they take off in it at the end.

[01:28:49] I love stuff like that.

[01:28:51] Yeah I love stuff like that.

[01:28:53] Super fun.

[01:28:55] Um anyone else have any story stuff before we move on or.

[01:29:02] It's kind of sad like it's hard to explain the stories fully because it's like you don't really the stories are very much just kind of like in the background and it's more the character stuff that you follow.

[01:29:14] So you kind of have to play the games to truly experience the stories properly in my opinion.

[01:29:18] I agree.

[01:29:20] Yeah which is it's weird too because it's like I can rattle off every character's lore and Mortal Kombat and how they died and who killed them and all kinds of random stuff and it's like I can't I can't name a single story beat of Uncharted three.

[01:29:33] I know you're in Jeeps and you're getting dragged at one point.

[01:29:36] Yep.

[01:29:38] Yeah.

[01:29:40] I mean at some point.

[01:29:42] Yeah it's like why the ship Seeky.

[01:29:44] I don't know Poseidon was mad.

[01:29:46] So cool.

[01:29:48] I will say Uncharted three does have that like kind of like disappointing beginning where like apparently they had an entire plot line written around that character like Charlie Cutter.

[01:30:00] But he leaves the plot right after the beginning because I guess his actor they only had him for like that so they had to rewrite basically write him out of the plot.

[01:30:09] Oh.

[01:30:11] Because I guess he was supposed to be like throughout the entire game and then scheduling conflicts kind of ruined that.

[01:30:16] Which I think is why Chloe also kind of disappears.

[01:30:21] She comes back and hopefully you know maybe down the line.

[01:30:25] No.

[01:30:27] Chloe can be a mentor to Cassie.

[01:30:30] Chloe can kiss Nadine is what we want.

[01:30:33] Thank you.

[01:30:35] Well so this is the thing you just Cassie walks into Nadine or Chloe's office and there's a picture of them kissing on her desk.

[01:30:42] But then you're like where's Nadine?

[01:30:43] It's going to be a Christmas card I saw.

[01:30:48] It will be the exact Christmas card.

[01:30:51] It's just to spite you.

[01:30:53] Yeah.

[01:30:56] So we kind of ended up covering like my other points like I want to talk about like favorite storylines characters and moments and set pieces but we kind of knocked that out of the way throughout this whole section.

[01:31:09] So I kind of wanted to end this off with like we kind of have already gone into it but like what do you guys think is the future for the series?

[01:31:22] I like theory crafting.

[01:31:24] I love theory crafting actually.

[01:31:26] What we haven't heard from Bill.

[01:31:28] Bill what do you think Uncharted 5 is going to be if they make one?

[01:31:31] I don't know.

[01:31:33] It's funny I really again after four I didn't think I was getting another one so I've never given it a lot of thought and

[01:31:37] lost.

[01:31:38] And that poisoned the well.

[01:31:40] Yeah I kind of was just like oh this is such a lovely little little coda and then of course Lost Legacy comes out and it's a different take.

[01:31:46] I would live, I'd love to see the adventures of Lost Legacy just continue and just continue down that road.

[01:31:54] I think they had a great chemistry and yes there's now room for romantic interests and there's room for those characters to grow.

[01:32:02] And I don't want to see Nathan drink again.

[01:32:04] I don't know if I want to see another movie again.

[01:32:06] I saw that movie.

[01:32:08] I think it's going to happen.

[01:32:10] Are they making another one?

[01:32:12] Yeah I haven't watched it because I just like I don't know I don't trust it.

[01:32:17] It's perfectly fine.

[01:32:19] It is about as fine as that as meh as a movie gets it exists on this planet and the plan is no worse or better for it.

[01:32:27] It's just there and it's fine.

[01:32:29] I find it perfectly acceptable.

[01:32:30] I haven't seen it but man there was very rarely do I laugh in like a trailer but like there's that scene where Tom Hall like Tom Holland's fighting that big guy and he's speaking in like Scottish like Scottish English.

[01:32:43] And then he just goes what?

[01:32:45] Because I was just so stupid.

[01:32:47] It's just such a dumb joke but it made me laugh pretty hard.

[01:32:50] And I'm like maybe I'll go see this and I forgot about it until you brought it up just now.

[01:32:53] Yeah I saw it.

[01:32:55] I actually saw it in theaters because one of those weekends like I have literally nothing to do and it's the only thing that's available.

[01:33:00] Why not?

[01:33:02] How bad could this possibly be and it's it's not as bad as a lot of people say but it's not great either.

[01:33:07] It's a real big it exists and see it if you want or don't.

[01:33:12] I could not have less of opinion on charted movie which is why I don't even know I brought it up but as far as the future of the series I would like to see that continue if you're going to do it.

[01:33:21] I don't want to see Nathan Drake again.

[01:33:24] I don't want to see another Nathan Drake story.

[01:33:26] I think his story is done.

[01:33:28] Him and Alana just just rest.

[01:33:31] We finally fell back in love.

[01:33:34] We're like this is why I love you.

[01:33:36] You're so good at this.

[01:33:38] Weekends at Costco if you want to like leap over you know like the lady passing out these samples by all means get crazy with yourself that's fine.

[01:33:47] I don't know.

[01:33:49] They go to Home Depot and they pick out shelving and Nathan Drake is really bad at playing up shelving even though he's like the Superman.

[01:33:55] I don't know that's what their life should be from now on.

[01:33:58] No more adventures.

[01:34:00] You're done.

[01:34:02] Bill I stand alone over here.

[01:34:04] What do you think?

[01:34:06] What do you think about the yarn I spun?

[01:34:08] I thought it was a kind of a cool story.

[01:34:09] You know the ending of four leaves a lot of like a lot open to interpretation because there's a pretty sizable time skip from the end of the main plot to the epilogue.

[01:34:21] And we find lost legacy happens during that time period.

[01:34:25] But we also know that Sam and Sully went off on a bunch of adventures.

[01:34:31] There's potential for games based around that along with more like Chloe and Nadine games.

[01:34:37] That's true.

[01:34:39] I do have that.

[01:34:41] They kind of do go off on a close guard.

[01:34:43] I would really I would love like lost legacy sized games that are just like 30 40 dollars that just take place with two care just pick two any random two characters and just toss them into a situation.

[01:34:56] And let's just go have fun.

[01:34:58] Like I mean that's a good idea I think as well in between the giant $700 million triple A game.

[01:35:04] That's a good idea.

[01:35:06] That's really a thought.

[01:35:07] I honestly enjoy being able to finish a game in a sitting so I'm all for that.

[01:35:11] Oh dude tell me about I am on like week three of Witcher 3.

[01:35:15] I'm dying.

[01:35:16] I've already beaten this game.

[01:35:17] Like what am I doing?

[01:35:18] But it's just so good.

[01:35:19] I feel you I I'm playing control for the third time because I love that game.

[01:35:24] So yeah that's all I've been playing.

[01:35:27] I'm playing persona for golden for like the ninth time right now.

[01:35:31] So my God I've been eyeballing it to you but I've got to play three.

[01:35:35] I cannot in good conscience play four again for the fifth time and not have played three ever and three reload just came out.

[01:35:43] But now because they're like oh the DLC is coming in September and I'm like well now I'm not even going to play three.

[01:35:49] I'm just going to wait for the DLC to come out so that I can play it all at once.

[01:35:52] So I'm glad I didn't play three now.

[01:35:54] I'm going to go play Cyberpunk now or something get lost in that play through uncharted again.

[01:36:01] Man I probably need to.

[01:36:03] I really don't know what happened in three.

[01:36:05] I have no idea.

[01:36:07] I feel like I need to play it because of our conversation.

[01:36:09] I was hoping that like you guys would talk about it and it would remind me but you guys were talking about it and I was blank the whole time.

[01:36:17] I really don't know what you're talking about.

[01:36:19] I'm playing doing a replay of the entire series right now and three is the next one on the list.

[01:36:24] So I'm about to jump back into it so I'm actually really curious to see how it holds up from a second play through.

[01:36:31] I came in hard after live was like hey I tried to use the best and then I was like I think I like uncharted three more than a chart two.

[01:36:39] I don't remember why.

[01:36:41] I just remember thinking that when I beat three.

[01:36:43] I was like that was better than two and then I moved on but now that I've been talking about it for almost two hours I don't think I like uncharted three as much as I can talk myself out of it.

[01:36:54] I won't lie when I finished two for my most recent play through like once I got to the credits I was like that game is still is just as good as it was back in God 2009 I want to say.

[01:37:10] Yeah 2009.

[01:37:12] God that was a long time ago.

[01:37:14] Anyways.

[01:37:16] Yeah two is two is held up remarkably and I'm curious to see how three holds up.

[01:37:21] I played through the whole everything during COVID.

[01:37:25] I was like I'm going to do an uncharted replay.

[01:37:28] I mean I played each game at least two or three times and you know just get if you're going to do it just like get through the first game and the rest is gets better from there.

[01:37:38] Sure does sure does.

[01:37:40] That being said I still enjoyed my replay of one other than the final boss but yeah I feel like I'd have a higher opinion of one if I didn't my last play through the last game.

[01:37:51] I think I was on the hardest difficulty and miserable the whole time.

[01:37:55] That's a no for me.

[01:37:58] Yeah it's not worth it.

[01:38:00] No.

[01:38:02] The only game worth playing on a hard difficulties Halo because that game is fun.

[01:38:07] Did you guys ever do the cheat code donut Drake.

[01:38:11] Oh funny.

[01:38:13] I don't think I have.

[01:38:14] There's a cheat code that you can enter in.

[01:38:18] It's called donut Drake and it just makes Drake really like that for no reason.

[01:38:22] There's a trophy if I think they call him tweaks in the game and you do like turn on donut Drake and then you do a speed run and if you beat the game there's like a special treatment for it.

[01:38:32] And it's just so funny.

[01:38:34] He looks so funny.

[01:38:36] He looks so gooberish like more even more so.

[01:38:38] You know we haven't mentioned at all is the uncharted games have multiplayer.

[01:38:44] Oh yeah they do.

[01:38:46] Well as was the fashion of the day.

[01:38:49] Everything had to multiplayer.

[01:38:51] I tried uncharted 4 but I couldn't get into it.

[01:38:55] It's not great because that's the problem is I came I come from Xbox so I'm like oh man I love to try to just play the multiplayer which was dead.

[01:39:02] I'm pretty sure uncharted 3 was out at the time.

[01:39:05] But I played it for a minute and I was like just thinking of Gears of War 3 the whole time which is the multiplayer is just desperately trying to be but it's like Gears of War 3 is just so absurd.

[01:39:17] It is just three times the story of uncharted 3 where it's nonsense.

[01:39:22] It's nonsense.

[01:39:24] It's just giblets and kidneys flying everywhere all the time.

[01:39:27] Whereas the multiplayer in uncharted 3 is just like it feels like all of the random double A games that you play but it feels good.

[01:39:36] It's just the structure of a double A game.

[01:39:39] It's so strange because the last of us as multiplayer was actually really good.

[01:39:43] Still active to this day.

[01:39:45] Yeah with like the traps and stuff like I like the last because it's a lot more like skittish which makes sense.

[01:39:52] Like it's so cool that how Naughty Dog can make two extremely similar games but whenever you are like really like look at them with a magnifying glass there's so many different things that differentiate themselves from each other.

[01:40:05] Like just with the style and the play in the play style and like the mechanics and stuff like that they all lean into the you're either skittish and hiding or it's this really crazy scramble like chaotic and it's so cool.

[01:40:19] Naughty Dog is awesome.

[01:40:20] I'm not going to lie.

[01:40:22] I was a little bit bummed that uncharted 4 wasn't uncarded.

[01:40:25] Yeah in the past of us dude man they really lost their way.

[01:40:30] They lost their way.

[01:40:32] I love that joke because it's like Naughty Dog's MO for a while was literally make three games then make a kart racer and everybody was really hoping for uncarted like after uncharted 3.

[01:40:44] Hey man it could still happen dude.

[01:40:47] Naughty Dog you don't know what they're doing now that the factions is gone.

[01:40:51] It could be a fucking giant kart racing game that has all their franchises together.

[01:40:55] Like it could be they're doing live services over there so many man I would buy a PS5 for the uncharted kart collection.

[01:41:06] Oh I just couldn't believe I didn't even think of it we didn't talk did anyone actually play a fight for fortune.

[01:41:12] What?

[01:41:14] That's a kart game right?

[01:41:16] Okay the silence leads me to say no.

[01:41:18] Yeah so there was Sony Bend actually made two uncharted games they made Golden Abyss and then they also made uncharted fight for fortune which was a collectible kart based game that you could play on your Vita.

[01:41:28] Oh weird.

[01:41:30] Yu-Gi-Oh I summon Sully in face down defense position.

[01:41:35] It was kind of like that.

[01:41:36] It was like you got cards and it was only I don't even think you can play it anymore I think it's lost to time.

[01:41:43] You had to use that the Vita's version of Street Pass which I don't think anybody used.

[01:41:48] I didn't even know it existed.

[01:41:50] No same.

[01:41:52] I tried to use it once and I pinged with some guy like that was like in the radius but it was so boring and lifeless.

[01:42:02] It sounds just dreary.

[01:42:04] The card game was okay from what I remember.

[01:42:09] I'm sure like Aaron from Super Pod Saga would know because he's obsessed with card games but he's screaming with his fist in the air at us right now.

[01:42:19] I just figured I'd mention fight for fortune because it does exist.

[01:42:23] It existed I don't think you can play it anymore.

[01:42:27] Interesting.

[01:42:29] I think that's just about it though unless anyone has any final thoughts on Uncharted.

[01:42:36] I wonder if anyone's made like a physical version of that game you're talking about because I bet it wouldn't be hard.

[01:42:42] Like I know they did it with inscription.

[01:42:44] I mean inscription was good and popular so that's one thing but like I bet you get to bring this to the attention of someone who has the ability to make cards like just to have like something like that make a cool YouTube video.

[01:42:58] Yeah.

[01:43:00] That'd be interesting but yeah so I want to thank you guys for joining me for this.

[01:43:08] This was a really fun conversation.

[01:43:10] I love talking about games that I usually can't with Alex because she doesn't like them but hi Alex.

[01:43:17] You think that maybe she would like watching these games because these games like we were saying with all of the spectacle and all the set pieces they're very much like Marvel movie kind of games and it's like I wonder how much she would enjoy watching you.

[01:43:28] Just stream it or something.

[01:43:30] See she might like for because she's a one piece fan and she loves pirate like stuff like that but I don't know kind of has that too a little bit true.

[01:43:41] I think the problem is like if like she was what like back in the day maybe nowadays she'd just like get her iPad out and probably watch anime on it.

[01:43:49] Or she'd be playing Stardew Valley in the corner under a switch.

[01:43:54] You update came out so.

[01:43:56] I don't know if she even knows about that.

[01:43:58] It's only on PC so she's playing a console hasn't dropped yet.

[01:44:02] She hasn't yet but yes so I'd like you guys to plug all your stuff one more time before we sign this off so I'll let live start.

[01:44:11] Well thank you for having us Bill it was great I love Uncharted can always talk about it anytime.

[01:44:17] I'm live and I have a new project in the works it's if you go to YouTube and you see the top tenors.

[01:44:23] That's me and my friend James and content is in pre production but we're on our way and if you like basketball and video games just follow me on Twitter at Obuyer 10.

[01:44:34] Nice I'll be sure to include everybody's links in the description.

[01:44:37] I hang out over a gaming together cooperative podcast we are extremely crazy over there.

[01:44:42] We try to talk about multiplayer games not always like our like I said before our next episode is going to be about a battle royale from all of our guests of which live and bill both were not the new bill we need to get you on our show also we need to add each other on discord or something and but our last episodes that we had we had live on for golf with your friends where she was playing basketball.

[01:45:07] She substituted for Phillip because Phillip had stuff going on and bill was on our Mario Kart episode which we did play Mario Kart a couple of times and it is a lot of fun so I'm really glad that I got my switch dusted off for that.

[01:45:23] Nice and Bill.

[01:45:25] Yeah once again my show is entitled a gamer looks at 40 it's a bunch of elderly people like myself elderly people being over 40 I'm 43.

[01:45:34] And yeah I said it's basically people telling their stories about how games affected their lives sometimes it's fun and silly and sometimes it gets serious sometimes people use games or have used games to get through things in their life.

[01:45:48] Right now I'm working on a Final Fantasy series just started it the next the next episode as of this recording is a conversation with Arnie Roth who is the composer of the distant worlds.

[01:45:59] Orchestra series the Final Fantasy edition World Series so we have a conversation it's awesome I'm so happy was able to get him on the show and talk about his inspirations for it how he got into video game orchestra music etc so really cool conversation with him and yes if you dig old games and nostalgic stories a gamer looks at 40 for zero and website is a gamer looks at 40 for zero dot com.

[01:46:22] Nice.

[01:46:23] So, like I said I will have all those links in the description for everyone to be able to find.

[01:46:29] And with that everybody once again thanks for joining us on the gaming and collecting podcast the game and collecting podcasts can be found on all your major podcasting platforms particularly Apple podcast and Spotify.

[01:46:39] We also have a video versions of the podcast now on YouTube.

[01:46:42] And if you'd like you can find all of our links at link tree slash the barbecue games and if you would also like we can join the GNC podcast network discord server to find all things GNC, a 3DO experience geek addicts talk gaming anime or just general nonsense we're pretty nice people over there Alex gets a little crazy sometimes but hey that's the GNC way.

[01:47:02] And with that everybody we will see you all later.

[01:47:05] Please don't make fun of my apartment.

[01:47:12] Thank you.