Ep. 87 - The Fiery 4th Generation (ft. Josh and Chris)

[00:00:00] Welcome back Superstars. Hey, my name is Aaron. I can sneeze the entire alphabet and you're listening to the SuperPod Saga.

[00:00:12] That's right, SuperPod Saga. I am your host Aaron. For any first time listeners this is the podcast where I invite some guests on to talk about a different video game topic each episode and today I've got two returning faces, although it's been a really long time since either of them has been on.

[00:00:39] I've got Chris, the retro hangover Chris. How are you?

[00:00:43] I'm doing good. I just want to hear you sneeze the entire alphabet now.

[00:00:47] Okay. The lights aren't nearly bright enough for me to do that but I'll let you know what I'm ready to go.

[00:00:53] Sounds great. I can do that. I have a lot of while doing it because you're staring at the light.

[00:00:58] I cannot do that. No, I actually go.

[00:01:02] Are you about to do it?

[00:01:04] No, I can't actually do it. It's just this is the bit for starting the show.

[00:01:09] I was about to say if you could do it, I'll do the dick dragon in the background. You just let me know when you're done. Make like make a sick tune.

[00:01:17] That'd be the greatest shit ever. The collaboration of a millennium.

[00:01:22] There you are.

[00:01:24] And what's William?

[00:01:26] Do you say you move, let him?

[00:01:28] No, will any of my.

[00:01:30] I will.

[00:01:32] Will I am for what?

[00:01:36] Josh from still loading is also here. Hello, Josh.

[00:01:39] Oh, hey it me. Thank you for having me on again, man.

[00:01:42] You're all of it's yeah, it's been how long has it been?

[00:01:45] Josh for those that haven't listened to the show for a while.

[00:01:48] Josh was with Tommy and I when we talked about the whole Xbox series.

[00:01:54] And then Chris was here to talk with us about the best features of field consoles where Chris and I bonded it bonded.

[00:02:01] Bonded over the Wii U, holy hell.

[00:02:04] Yeah, that's a great system. Bond bonding device.

[00:02:08] It is.

[00:02:09] It is a great system.

[00:02:10] I'll fight.

[00:02:11] I'll fight to the death anyone who disagrees.

[00:02:14] I still don't know why people shit on it like it like listen, I understand it was a commercial failure, but like there's a lot of cool shit on that system.

[00:02:22] It's not just it definitely does not get the heat that it deserves or not.

[00:02:27] I totally fucked that up.

[00:02:29] It does not get it gets too much hate gets more hate than it deserves.

[00:02:34] Wow, we want to heal party.

[00:02:37] Fuck, we have to you is over.

[00:02:41] Josh is going to start a go fund me to buy your Wii U so he can throw it into fire pit.

[00:02:48] It's like the the Springfield tire fire, but we use.

[00:02:53] And totally not just keep all the we use so I can run Mario maker like in conjunction with each other somehow connect them all.

[00:03:01] Oh, what they actually do is throw a bunch of PS3s in there because they're all like glossy black as well and tell people that we use.

[00:03:09] So they like oh yeah, yeah, old PS3s not realizing they're burning the old fat PS3s while they just towards the Wii U's in his house.

[00:03:17] Or you like, you have the the me maker, the me maker channel open on like maybe 14 we use it the same time.

[00:03:25] So it's like 14 overlapping instances of the Wii U or the me maker channels like do do do do do do do do do multiplied by like 14 times.

[00:03:36] Oh yeah, it's like something like a video game horror movie.

[00:03:42] It is but no, we totally should do an episode on the on the Wii U because you spread the gospel.

[00:03:48] Yeah, it'll be like the church of Jesus Christ of that or day saints, but like the Wii U and not fucking terrible.

[00:03:55] Not at all terrible. I do wear special underwear when I play my Wii U too.

[00:04:01] Feel like those bottle. So that way you don't have any Wii U's in your underwear.

[00:04:05] Exactly wonderful. Wonderful. It would be too much. I couldn't contain it if the Wii U was in my underwear, it'd be a sticky you.

[00:04:15] This has already gone off the rails. Oh fuck. That's right. Yeah, super pod saga.

[00:04:20] Yeah, but yes and I will discuss it every video game topic each week.

[00:04:24] And as soon as we're done discussing that topic, we'll merge together like Voltron and we'll fight the most evil entities in the world like Jeff Bezos, Kenneth Copeland

[00:04:34] Taylor Swift and we'll keep the rounds safe from harm forever 24 seven like a fucking 711 but we're killing stuff.

[00:04:42] I guess that would be like a 711 people do get fucking murdered in 711's, but occasionally allegedly sorry they were that too.

[00:04:51] They're allegedly dead.

[00:04:53] Yeah.

[00:04:56] Oh, allegedly dead.

[00:05:00] Holy fuck. Hey, Chris, go ahead and introduce your show for those who haven't heard introduced your show.

[00:05:06] Hold yourself also in any kind of games that you like and yeah all that great stuff.

[00:05:13] So I am Chris Copeland from the Retro Hangover podcast. Thank you allegedly to be on the show allegedly from it.

[00:05:20] And me and my partner Shane talk about video games over 10 years old sometimes to talk about people sometimes we talk about consoles.

[00:05:28] Sometimes we have video game tournaments that we call the king of games and sometimes we do our top five, but if you just head over to Retro Hangover, just look it up in any podcast thingy then we'll be there.

[00:05:39] And yeah, we have a good time and we make dick jokes. I think we all do but ours are dragonly dick jokes.

[00:05:47] Those are the best ones.

[00:05:49] Josh, hey, go ahead and introduce yourself to the listeners and any games you like and then your show plug away my man.

[00:05:59] Well, the still loading podcast is my show and it's always loading never fully loaded. It's just keeps on going so it's you know I'm up to episode over episode 300 now and it's still going strong because it's just still loading.

[00:06:14] You know, this motherfucker just doesn't stop.

[00:06:19] But you know, I still loading podcast is a video game podcast. I kind of describe it as a gaming grab bag podcast. It covers a little bit of everything Chris has been on it before last year for streets of rage in fact and then previously for some final fantasy stuff and whole bunch of cool things the final fantasy fantasy draft was the big one.

[00:06:41] But yeah, do lots of I do lots of things like cover game retrospectives. I do interviews with people in the industry like composers and game designers and all that good stuff. And then I also do weird ideas like I mentioned the final fantasy fantasy draft but I also have an older episode called still loading story time where me and a bunch of friends did dramatic readings of NES manuals was interesting.

[00:07:05] It was a good time. It's a fun idea. I would actually like to do it again, but who knows we'll see. So yeah still loading podcast. It's found online in places where podcasts are given away for free.

[00:07:17] That's true. I've seen it. I've seen it just like.

[00:07:21] Yeah, and just like my very first car my 91 Ford Explorer Eddie power addition. It has zero breaks so it does not stop.

[00:07:33] I thought you were just loading.

[00:07:37] It's for all that fuckers total bro not because that because it had many breaks. I sold it before then but so it was not free got a hundred bucks off that thing.

[00:07:48] I sold it for 100 bucks. Yeah, I sold it for 100 bucks some some dude bought it for like scrap metal even though it had over in this hailed the image.

[00:07:56] Well, I guess I'm sure you probably like a good alternator out of it or something but we're not talking about cars or not stopping for anything.

[00:08:04] We're talking about the fourth generation of video or a fourth generation home consoles.

[00:08:11] Mostly we're going to focus on the big three the ones that had like the most impact on everything so the turbo graphics slash PC engine mega drive slash Genesis.

[00:08:22] And the super NES slash super family combo just to keep things like coherent word is going to it's going to call us NES and then Genesis and turbo graphics or TG 16 because God I don't have time to pronounce the whole or say the whole God damn name.

[00:08:39] You kid me. I'm not any power.

[00:08:42] So disrespectful. Sorry, sorry everybody. Sorry listeners feel free to cancel your subscriptions right now time for this court.

[00:08:48] Q&A of course on this segment of the show I asked my server question related to the topic and I just want to hear what everybody has to say give them a little bit of

[00:08:56] a little bit of a line blight so I asked my server. What are some of your favorite memories or games with the fourth generation home consoles, fourth gen being SNES Genesis, turbo graphics and God forbid Neo Geo AES CDI and the others judge bread the man the myth legend himself he says my cousin had a Genesis and I was like this controller stupid and we played risk on it.

[00:09:18] How dare you Tommy plays risk.

[00:09:22] That seems really difficult.

[00:09:25] Yeah, I was fine. It's fun game on the Sega Genesis. I don't know why things the controllers stupid though.

[00:09:30] Yeah, I like the Genesis controller like the little like boomerang shape of it.

[00:09:36] It's nice and beefy exactly up next. Thrac he says well Genesis is my most remember remembered console from that era grew up with it in many games from it.

[00:09:46] I played SNES in the early 2010s and it didn't click but has a bunch of amazing games. I'm just a Sega guy at heart turbo graphics is something I need to dive into more fuck the rest of them.

[00:09:58] Yeah, can't get better than that. Yeah, excuse me. I mean I know we're talking home consoles, but the game boys also technically part of the fourth generation of consoles so

[00:10:08] we're talking home consoles my man you could you could play it in your own game boy. Yeah, you both make excellent points.

[00:10:18] That's a lot of Game Boy games had super Nintendo games on the like space invaders. There you go.

[00:10:26] Oh shit.

[00:10:29] Hey Hochem, he says I'm going to count the SNES mini in here but seeing my girlfriend and college talk shit while playing Kirby stream courses when I knew I'd marry her.

[00:10:38] Fuck it love Kirby stream course dude that girls a keeper man.

[00:10:44] That's exactly what I said too.

[00:10:48] Oh man.

[00:10:50] I just Jeff he says didn't know any of those consoles skipped right over them and went straight to N64 and play station only then I can say.

[00:10:59] Only thing I can say when I played this SNES classic is playing star Fox and star Fox two for the first time man you.

[00:11:08] I was gonna say since they since they skipped over those consoles and went straight to the N64.

[00:11:13] I mean, I'm sorry to hear that your childhood was full of trauma and I hope you're getting therapy.

[00:11:18] Yeah, you must have done some really good stuff man go back in the jungles of Donkey Kong 64 excuse me.

[00:11:23] I'm fine. I have no trauma. I'm totally normal.

[00:11:29] I mean, if you skip it there has to be a reason I'm looking for the dark side here and I really hope I really hope their childhoods is not full of trauma because that immediately makes that comment less funny.

[00:11:40] And I still see bananas everywhere well you know what man might be the clubs are going to but.

[00:11:49] I'm not going to be the one who's trying to get the job.

[00:11:52] Talk about a dick dragon.

[00:11:54] Dragon all right.

[00:11:59] Go go go she says my dad got an SDS for us for Christmas and we'll play it late at night when we were asleep.

[00:12:08] One night I got out of bed and caught him you let me stay up with them wait let me stay up with him a little while and play a link to the past.

[00:12:15] I'm going to play the game for the rain looking and sounding phenomenal one of my favorite core memories of gaming with my dad.

[00:12:20] Oh yeah, it's an awesome memory.

[00:12:22] That's awesome. That's sweet that's amazing what's what's their name again?

[00:12:26] Go hobo go go hope go what?

[00:12:29] Go hobo go with B.

[00:12:31] Oh my bad.

[00:12:32] Okay.

[00:12:33] I was about to say that that's an interesting name after the banana comment but that's a really good memory there.

[00:12:39] That is Jenny.

[00:12:42] I remember when my family got a PS1 and I finally got my own TV in the SNES in my room as the younger sibling my older and much bigger brother rarely let me play on the living room TV.

[00:12:52] So this opened up so much time for me to play at my own pace and really start playing games from start to finish.

[00:12:57] I have very fun memories of playing countless hours of SNES games.

[00:13:01] Hell yeah, the SNES was my first room console as well too or one I had to my own I guess.

[00:13:07] Nice.

[00:13:08] Yeah, the cathuzziest Jeff okay he's he must have heard what you guys were saying.

[00:13:14] Now since the Game Boy was fourth generation my first game was hilarious.

[00:13:20] My neighbor gave me Super Mario Land 1 and 2 and I remember playing those games a lot when we went on road trips.

[00:13:25] I plug in my headphones and just play and occasionally falling asleep to some of the better songs I loved then came the magical days.

[00:13:32] I got Pokemon Yellow, Blue, Silver and Gold. I put almost 300 hours in a gold at a badass party then came the sad day of the battery died on the cartridge that's the leading my file.

[00:13:42] I felt my heart break.

[00:13:44] Yeah, that sucks.

[00:13:46] So could you imagine right?

[00:13:49] You're hanging out at school and your friend says hey I got killer instinct.

[00:13:55] Do you want to come over to my house and play it on the Super Nintendo?

[00:13:58] And you're like yeah man that sounds cool.

[00:14:02] And you go over there and it's the Game Boy version on their Super Game Boy on the Super Nintendo.

[00:14:09] Looking at you they're smiling and they're like let's play and you're like.

[00:14:17] What do you think bud isn't it great?

[00:14:19] This doesn't look good doesn't it looks so good with that enhanced color palette or whatever like.

[00:14:23] Killer instincts.

[00:14:26] It's funny back when I was a kid my like one of the first games I got completely hooked on once I got my own home console was offering of time.

[00:14:34] And I was so obsessed with it my friend at the time his name is Eric.

[00:14:38] He knew I was obsessed with Zelda he also started playing a Zelda game he was playing links Awakening.

[00:14:43] Now as an adult I realized links Awakening is really good and arguably actually I think I like it a little bit more than Ocarina personally but.

[00:14:52] Um with I remember being that's not a kid where he's like I got I got Zelda should we go play it and I'm like yeah.

[00:14:59] And I go over and it's the Game Boy game I'm like this isn't Zelda because I had no concept that there is a previous entry in the Zelda series.

[00:15:08] I just saw Ocarina of time that was my only like viewpoint for it so yeah.

[00:15:15] I found out I feel kind of like a dick because I was never shy about expressing my opinion.

[00:15:21] I was never like necessarily trying to be mean but I wouldn't realize that you know sometimes if you just say what's in your mind you come off as rude so I was a little rude.

[00:15:31] Great we were all rude as kids like I I was really well I guess not really mean but like I was pretty mean to my cousins as a kid and my little brother.

[00:15:40] Hey if any of you guys are listening to this sorry.

[00:15:44] I feel you on that I mean I still feel bad for some of the like the way he just was trying to like connect with me my friend was like he likes video games now I'll try to connect with them and the one time he does I'm like this is in Zelda.

[00:15:58] This is Zelda I'm going to go play more tune too.

[00:16:04] So the new bus hero he says I remember having an SNES and being able to just spend all hours on breaks.

[00:16:11] Oh yeah like spring break I don't even like work breaks.

[00:16:14] You spend all hours on breaks and weekends playing the best Mario game Super Mario World fight me and try out games like killer instinct while playing the PG version of Mortal Kombat.

[00:16:24] I was playing the Game Boy version once again on Super Game Boy represent.

[00:16:28] Prove is wrong. Prove is wrong.

[00:16:31] Me.

[00:16:32] Me.

[00:16:34] Jake from Game Corp.

[00:16:36] Game Corp he says I'll keep it short and sweet.

[00:16:38] This is my favorite generation in the SNES is probably my favorite.

[00:16:41] Your absolute favorite console ever has such an incredible library of wonderful games.

[00:16:45] I still find time to play all these years later.

[00:16:48] Hell yeah.

[00:16:49] Hell yeah.

[00:16:51] Adam revival and extinction he says I remember in about grade two or so seven years old.

[00:16:56] I would go around to my friend Mitchell's house and play his master system Genesis and playing Sonic we both sucked but it was fun spending time together.

[00:17:04] Same yeah I was really really bad at Sonic as I'm still bad at Sonic except for like the Sonic adventure games up I'm already at those.

[00:17:13] I mean I have a Sonic games I feel like are deceptively difficult because of the way the physics work but we could we could save that for the Sega talk.

[00:17:22] Yeah.

[00:17:23] Good luck. Great except for so.

[00:17:27] There's a reason to call you the hot take machine right yes okay.

[00:17:32] Oh we got a couple of big ones okay.

[00:17:36] Take a deep breath.

[00:17:37] Exit he says here are a few random SNES memories the night I got my SNES was the most exciting moment of my childhood at least up to that point.

[00:17:44] It was also the same night I had to go to my school's open house and my parents to find my protests which meant I couldn't play it until after school the next day because it was past my bedtime by the time we got home.

[00:17:54] I spent an entire Saturday afternoon doing a super Metroid speed run trying to get the best ending they used that detailed guide that was that was in some random video game magazine I think it was actually called video games magazine.

[00:18:06] That was successful and I ended up getting ridiculously good at doing the wall jump because it was pretty much required to learn in order to get some power ups early to minimize backtracking.

[00:18:15] In the mid 2000s I would go to my buddies place every day after work to unwind and play Contra 3 for his girlfriend came home from her job.

[00:18:23] I think we were able to beat the game we got pretty good to get in past the first couple of stages without losing any lives but it was a later overhead levels that usually this and.

[00:18:32] Sure got girlfriend into it yeah that's what I was going to say got to am that girlfriend.

[00:18:37] But fuck man like hearing that you know we were talking off mic about like parent parenting like stress and stuff like that what I wouldn't give for like right when I'm done work not to just come straight home and go over to a friend's house just to play Super Nintendo for like an hour before I go home like that would be fucking great.

[00:18:56] Hell yeah yeah I miss sometimes I miss the good old days of like coming home from work like I used to be a telemarker or I would just come home from telemarker.

[00:19:06] Just come home from telemarketing trying to sell people cable and shit and I would just plot my dumb ass on my couch and play whatever I was playing at the time on the 360 like well yeah totally different generation but like the I kind of miss those those days are just enough work and just popping down and playing some games but yeah.

[00:19:25] In the last one Bacwheel he says I got a couple memories from my Genesis and my brother so he's 13 years older Bacwheel.

[00:19:32] Okay yeah I heard something else my bad like like like cock wheel.

[00:19:38] I heard fuck you but okay okay that's okay that's a fuck real.

[00:19:43] I hope that's a I hope that's like a BDSM tool or like I guess I don't know what the hell you would call it but like a BDSM accessory there we go the cock wheel it's like a like a torture device who steps.

[00:19:59] No no no I'm thinking what it could be right now like you put like a little gyro on your on your sack that way it keeps you up why you go back and forth you roll.

[00:20:12] Oh oh you free invented sex dude you free invented hell yeah production you know populations about to soar motherfuckers let's go that's it.

[00:20:24] The efficiency is key you gotta make efficient use of your time so like all that time you all that time you save you can put back into like.

[00:20:34] Now you can fuck on hardward floors.

[00:20:39] Oh fuck where was I okay.

[00:20:47] I can't get my mind off of those wheels I'm like I'm imagining you know those like when someone breaks a leg and they're in a wheelchair but they have to keep their legs straight out and they have the extra little like wheel thing for their leg you know what I'm talking about.

[00:21:01] How does this relate back to cock wheels because it's like that except for that sack yeah anyway so Bacwheel not cock wheel or fuck wheel he says when I was seven my brother worked nights cleaning and I kept the genesis in my room.

[00:21:15] It's about one thirty in the morning I woke up to my brother playing shadow run he was doing a matrix run I remember waking up and watching him play when I was eight we were both trying to beat echo tides of time it got stuck on the level where we go back to the present.

[00:21:28] You played at that point on and off for about two years and I was the only one figured out how to follow the baby orca only the second game I beat before my brother hell yeah.

[00:21:36] Baby has great abs with this fuck cock wheel.

[00:21:41] Gotta make sure to accessorize and get a cock ring for your cock wheel yeah you know how he has great abs because you have to be a fucking Chad beat echo honestly.

[00:21:54] Fuck those oh they're good hard and those fucking aliens like I mean I mean I guess the aliens aren't like that's scary now that I'm an adult but like as a kid they were fucking.

[00:22:05] Frightening.

[00:22:08] Fun fact about echo well not related to the games specifically but sort of the creator of it Ed like a non-seo or whatever follows me on Twitter hell yeah no idea why I've never interacted with him but he follows me on Twitter does he think you're an alien.

[00:22:26] Possibly asking before we get another echo tell them make another echo game I mean he he tweets about it a lot making another echo game.

[00:22:38] But just about echo in general okay okay man that's I mean that's like the that's the the future that we need is a as another echo game like a fully open world million side quest 100 hour fucking echo.

[00:22:53] Trying to give a cool like a really cool the cool subtitle for but I can't think of one I don't know order of a closure fuck it echo order be cliche.

[00:23:01] Echo grand theft get grand theft mammal.

[00:23:05] Oh that's good that's good stealing boats and shit you're like murdering fishermen and stuff murder with a purpose.

[00:23:14] Oh fuck that's so good dude you see like a like a magazine and of like echo holding a fucking machine gun hell yeah.

[00:23:26] Gotta give him that like that helmet from that one schmup oh fucking ace something I know what you're talking about yeah yeah yeah yeah okay I never remember the name of it but it's a game it is it exists part RPG by the way.

[00:23:43] Yes yeah that's it for the Q&A so now it's it's our turn goddamn it let us take some little I'm light now the first one well we'll be talking about is the turbographic 16.

[00:23:56] I forgot what the Japanese name was for a second engine yep there we go PC engine in Japan turbographics in North America yeah what do you guys have any memories of this thing growing up I sure don't.

[00:24:12] Yes so I actually played a turbographics when I was much younger it was after the turbographics was pretty much dead though.

[00:24:22] I was at so when I would get off of elementary school we had like a sitter we would go to that I walked to and they had a they had a turbographic 16 in any S.

[00:24:36] And so they had a bunch of turbographics games like splatter house box revenge who baseball baseball stars not baseball stars world series based this is a baseball game is really good and I didn't have an interest here blazing lasers was another one.

[00:24:54] And so we played a ton of that bomber man but they didn't have a multi tap so it was always single player bomber man which is still good but like I became an avid over the turbographics I played it a lot over there so I think one year for Christmas I wanted to like I asked my parents for a turbographics and instead of getting me a turbographics they got me a turbo express if you know what that is.

[00:25:22] That's the hand held one right yes so it was a fully fledged turbographics but it's in handheld form and I think it came out before the links or around the same time so like you like everyone's like oh you have the signal mad and that was the first time that was the like the prototype switch and it's like just you could go back like almost a decade.

[00:25:45] And you got it with the turbo express and you could play the games on there because I mean it was so easy because if you look at the cards like the size of credit cards.

[00:25:56] Just slot them right into their full size games I love that form of media I think it's adorable I think it's amazing and they're quite durable and they're not flimsy at all like they're really solid.

[00:26:08] And like all the games are like really good like the controller is controllers not so great I wouldn't say it's as comfortable as an NES controller but every single one has a turbog switch and so you could play like schmups and just like normally on the NES you'd have to keep pressing the button or shoot.

[00:26:28] And for the turbographics most of them had moved past that but for the ones that did you could just hold that switch up and you can just fire away or if you're bonk one of the way that you could extend your job as if you spin in the air so you just hold the button then you're just like spinning through the air repeatedly and that turbo switch oh man it's so good.

[00:26:46] But yeah I do have some memories playing turbographics as a kid and loving that system I never got into the CD though unfortunately not until much later mostly.

[00:26:58] Through emulation but I do have a PC engine CD now but other than that yeah, turbographics great great system loved it.

[00:27:07] Hell yeah that's one that I don't even didn't even know existed until yeah until I started getting emulation I really started getting into it I think the past maybe like like year or a little bit more than that I've been loaning up my little anbernic dealio with just shit tons of turbo graph.

[00:27:28] And I've been playing turbographics games like I've become enamored with airzonc and blazing lasers was it soldier blade that's a really fucking good one oh and it's got so many fucking really good puzzle games like two man food.

[00:27:47] Clacks that's really good shut out to build barber who collects a version of clacks anytime he can.

[00:27:54] It clacks is on everything by the way I just think the best version is on the turbographics.

[00:28:00] What's silent debuggers if nobody's played that before that's really good it's like a first person shooter kind of.

[00:28:09] Yeah and it's awesome and wasn't also one of the most popular Castlevania's on their rondo blood yeah it was a CD game yes.

[00:28:18] Okay yeah on the states but yes yes yes it was.

[00:28:23] Yeah I didn't I didn't sorry go ahead.

[00:28:26] I was gonna say that it's just a goddamn shame.

[00:28:29] Good man.

[00:28:30] I really wish I would have been I still have yet to play a turbographic so I didn't get to play it back when I was a kid or even now I've seen them in person like tons of times at conventions and whatnot but they're always just out of my price range.

[00:28:43] Yeah and the one thing I do that's do think it's kind of funny now I am reading this off a Wikipedia for what it's worth but I do so if this is true or not they do say the source so there's at least.

[00:28:55] That from a Nintendo life is where this source is from apparently any see when they when they were trying to get into the video game market like the home console market.

[00:29:05] NEC is the manufacturer man or the yeah the manufacturer for this and it was a collaboration with them and Hudson Soft.

[00:29:14] They had made the home computers in Japan the PC 88 and PC 98 and so when they were trying to get into the home console market and specifically the video game industry they actually try to sell their advanced graphic chips to Nintendo and I point that out because even though Nintendo didn't necessarily dick over NEC like they did with the PC.

[00:29:35] And if like Sony and the others for or I guess they didn't really truly dick over Phillips but of a Sony back when the seat Phillips CDI was being worked on or whatever.

[00:29:48] If it was it they kind of inadvertently created another competitor here as well they rejected NEC's graphic chips so NEC is like fine I'm going to go build my own video game console with blackjack and hookers and they decided to.

[00:30:03] Literally literally to where they're literally blackjack and hookers on the graphics.

[00:30:09] I'm not I know I'm interrupting interrupting your story but there are tons for the PC engine CD there are tons of my games yeah there we go.

[00:30:21] I mean my story was pretty much over anyway I was just going to say I find it amusing that this system is just another example of somehow Nintendo creating an adversary for them a little or like advanced now.

[00:30:33] There's a lot less more accidental it's just normal business like they pitched it to Nintendo and tenders like no thanks from at least from based off what I'm reading here versus obviously with Sony they had a full on partnership in Nintendo is like just kidding go and Phillips.

[00:30:48] You know and the stories kind of sad because NEC made a deal with Hudson that pretty much like any see was responsible for making all the hardware and they pretty much had to publish a lot of the software and Hudson would develop it but Hudson could still develop for other consoles which is why you see a bunch of Hudson games on other systems even though they technically were.

[00:31:11] In a partnership with NEC for like the PC engine and turbo graphics, which is why there are so many problems here in the States when it came out other than just any see being just completely fucking stupid but yeah like and what a lot of people don't understand about the turbo graphics more so the PC engine is that it wasn't supposed to be the next generation of consoles.

[00:31:33] The entire purpose of the PC engine was to compete against the family come because it came out in 1987 so when you think about that timing that's why the controller has essentially the same controller as a as a family come as an Nintendo entertainment system because that was the competition it was just this is a very superior console in terms of power yeah and it was and for a while the PC engine was out selling the family.

[00:32:03] It was the market leader for a little bit so it's actually a very successful console just not in the United States or North America especially not in Europe were fairly even released might be like five consoles that were sold with like a carton of cigarettes to some lucky kid but at the end of the day like like this was a almost cultural phenomenon in Japan almost to the point where there's like 15 different variants of this damn console over there

[00:32:32] and it was a smash hit that's why you see a lot of third parties in Japan they were willing to contribute like Capcom made a version of Street Fighter 2 you already mentioned the Castlevania game just so many so many other games that that third parties were willing to jump on like I rem.

[00:32:51] I wish I had a bigger list here but yeah I mean they were willing to do what they could because it was a money maker but when it came over the United States no one wanted to cross Nintendo and it because of some huge marketing fails and just no knowledge of the US market which is puzzling because any see was doing pretty well in the US at the time but just just awful launch they just completely flopped it was embarrassing.

[00:33:20] And the fact that I guess the PC engine compared to like the SNES Genesis what like you mentioned earlier it wasn't it's not like a true next gen console it only had instead of having like an actual eight-bit processor 16-bit processor just had two eight-bit processors and that from when I've from when I've read when doing research about this thing that all that appeared to the pistol on a people off basically just.

[00:33:48] Just putting they basically put 16 in the name like turbo fucking 16 and they expected to sell like hotcakes people thinking like oh dude so fast 16 bits hell yeah but yeah they they god damn it they they definitely falsely advertised that thing is being 16 bit when it's just.

[00:34:08] I don't think anyone care then I think more people care now like they didn't know that like who's opening up what 10-year-olds opening up the turbo graphics being like.

[00:34:18] So it's two eight-bit processors it's not really 16.

[00:34:23] Like no one did that the console wars really at least in North America I can't speak to the experience outside of there wasn't really a thing when this came out in 87 I mean in 89 when it came out of North America it was much yes it was going closer to that that's right when Sega started launching its offensive but like even then it's not like that like they named it for that in in

[00:34:48] preparation for the home console wars because the home console wars was it like the console wars of the 90s with set with Genesis versus super Nintendo wasn't a thing in 1989 yet it was just starting.

[00:35:00] It became one very quickly but it wasn't a thing when it launched.

[00:35:05] Well I mean it's also buzzwords right so if you can say 16 bit and the other console is not 16 bit like the Famicom is the NES is 8 bit it doesn't have a 16 bit console like you can use that that's why they were big like bits were still big if you look at a lot of even in Japan like a lot of the advertising for cartridge size you have mega power.

[00:35:24] That was the big thing that Sega tried to do with the master system like fast he stars a two mega power game.

[00:35:30] Blast any one of that means yeah last well there wasn't we were there yeah we were there yet like yeah but like the master system would we talk about the mega power of this of his cartridges I think like out runs like the mega power cartridge it's like oh yeah has a mega power is like people

[00:35:48] like what does that mean it's like has 256 kilobytes of data. That was a big fucking deal but in terms of those things were a big deal because eventually like the in the Japan it stopped I mean it was still the PC engine but eventually they started calling the subsequent releases the core graphics and so you know the like the whole entire console war graphical capabilities were there I think it did have a 16 bit GPU

[00:36:17] I think the CPU is a bit but the GPU was 16 bit and that's why they could they could get around it.

[00:36:25] Well like in to tie him what you're saying Chris with how everything was named after you know like power whatever yeah I mean this is the next console up but the Genesis to play master system games on it you had to get the power based converter.

[00:36:39] Yep oh yeah power now you're playing with that.

[00:36:44] Well that's not down here but still power super power.

[00:36:49] God I love the way the little Hugh cards look though dude it's so cool Chris was saying how they look adorable they are adorable do they're like little trading cards like they have a I'm looking at this this photo I found on somebody's WordPress website by the way

[00:37:04] kudos to you we're getting WordPress to work fuck WordPress.

[00:37:09] Yeah the little little Hugh cards they have like you know the big black part with all the connectors and ship then they have like the sticker for the game on it and they look so fucking cool like there's one for Shinobi there's one for Batman and just

[00:37:23] it's rad as hell I like that so you could put you could put them in your pocket too and take them under your friend's house.

[00:37:30] Take in like a super Nintendo or Nintendo game or super Nintendo game and bring it over to your friend's house mean your mom your friends mom would probably look at you pretty weird.

[00:37:42] Maybe hit puberty maybe you have a Hugh card in your pocket or you just happy to see me fuck I was gonna say that within NES cart got damn it.

[00:37:52] I'm back to the sticky sticky you know the sticky you I want to pose a question real quick do you guys that specifically with the

[00:38:00] turbo graphics Chris I feel like you might be able to answer this better than me.

[00:38:05] Do you feel like the turbo graphics kind of suffered similarly similarly to what like the dream cast was in the sense where it just came

[00:38:13] a little bit to well I guess turbo graphics came a little bit too late and the dream cast came a little bit too early but where

[00:38:20] like do you have any been mean to do you feel like the dream cast was wasn't trying to be a next generation console similarly

[00:38:30] to the turbo graphics or do you think it was trying to be that next generation console.

[00:38:35] You know the the way I would compare the turbo graphics to anything really would be the Sega Saturn

[00:38:42] and not because of when the turbo graphics came out like I think the turbo graphics would have been more successful had it come out early but even with the way that

[00:38:50] released it that's not even that's not even guaranteed so if you take a look if you ever see the size of a PC engine and you compare it to

[00:38:59] the turbo graphics. The PC engine is tiny whereas the turbo graphics is not the turbo graphics about the size of the Sega Genesis where the PC

[00:39:08] engine is about the size of a Sega Genesis mini so oh wow yeah it's it's tiny man I'm looking at it right now and it's just slightly bigger than the Sega

[00:39:18] Genesis mini two that's that's the size of a PC engine so they made it larger and then they had to delay the system

[00:39:26] six months because they wanted to put a cover on the back of it and they made the cover rubber and the R&D to make that cover cost

[00:39:34] that system six months for release on top of that this is why compared to the Saturn they decided that they would like make

[00:39:42] two million units all at once now the so the Saturn didn't do that but they made two million units at production

[00:39:49] and they just put them in the major metropolitan areas and they just dumped them there without at knowing what the orders would be

[00:39:58] oh my god so you could get them in Chicago and LA and New York and Dallas but you couldn't get them anywhere else

[00:40:07] and they overcrowded the retail market so eventually retailers were like well we don't want to carry this anymore no one's buying it

[00:40:15] because they just had too many out there and they did a bad job of marketing it especially when you're putting in Keith

[00:40:21] Kerr's and Alpha Zones as your pack entitled which isn't a terrible title but it's like not altered beast

[00:40:28] and I think it's a better game than altered beast but altered beast head was more recognizable and so when you have poor marketing

[00:40:35] you have a poor inability to get it out to markets where like imagine you're living in Iowa right

[00:40:42] and there you go and you're seeing the TurboGraphic 16 is out in your magazine

[00:40:49] you're like I would like a TurboGraphic 16 but you can't buy a TurboGraphic 16 because the only place that they gave TurboGraphic 16s

[00:40:56] was in the Chicago land area and it wasn't going to get out to fucking Des Moines like no fucking farmland

[00:41:04] you might want you gonna find a few card and some corn no that's not going to fucking happen

[00:41:09] you only only like the city people could have it and the city people are like I'm still happy with my Nintendo

[00:41:16] I know I'm kind of getting off track here but I'm tangent

[00:41:23] but like a TurboGraphic 16 is good yeah but the Saturn well this is why I'm saying I'm gonna go off track here

[00:41:29] the Saturn kind of did the same thing remember they launched on May 11th on you know with E3

[00:41:34] like it E3 this like it's in your stores now that wasn't true all they did was they put it in stores

[00:41:40] in major markets like New York or Chicago and stuff like that wasn't even Chicago yet but they put it in certain markets

[00:41:46] and it trickled to those markets over time so even though they are telling everybody that you could buy it today

[00:41:51] like in most major metropolitan areas or just areas throughout the United States you couldn't buy the console

[00:41:57] and that's same thing that the TurboGraphics did so when people are like how would I compare it yeah I mean

[00:42:04] the Saturn and the TurboGraphics have a lot of similarities of how they launch their consoles

[00:42:09] in reality they have very similar fates

[00:42:13] man and that's fuck that's just so unfortunate too because just like the Saturn it's a great fucking system

[00:42:19] it's not like I mean it's probably just a fucking stupid comparison but it's not like say like the CDI

[00:42:26] or like the Amiga CD32 where the like companies were just pushing out shovelware as fucking consoles and shitty fucking games

[00:42:35] like the TurboGraphics actually fucking rules man

[00:42:39] it does yeah

[00:42:40] it's a shame but yeah it's so hard to get a hold of now like I saw like the other day

[00:42:47] they was the analog pocket came out with a little adapters for for hue cards for TurboGraphics hue cards

[00:42:55] I thought like dude that would be kind of cool maybe I should look into some hue cards and no they're expensive shit now

[00:43:02] fuck that I should get that ever drive

[00:43:05] or else put them all in my embryonic man I just fucking

[00:43:08] that's faster

[00:43:10] that's how I beat Arizona was on the embryonic for me

[00:43:15] you did it

[00:43:16] I did yeah what's uh by the way I know Josh you said you've never played TurboGraphics

[00:43:23] but do you have any like favorite games or maybe like games you know have gotten ports to TurboGraphics that you like?

[00:43:30] uh not I'll be honest not really like I I

[00:43:33] TurboGraphics for me is more just interesting from just like I guess I'm not

[00:43:38] I guess it's true

[00:43:39] yeah from the original just because I don't have any personal attachment to it

[00:43:44] um I mean I before though here's the closest thing I can say to a personal attachment story

[00:43:51] to the TurboGraphics before the Wii shop closed down you know 6-7 however many years ago

[00:43:58] I bought a handful of TurboGraphics games I think Parasol stars which I have yet to play your beat

[00:44:05] but I got I got that I also got Rondo of blood of course yeah probably one or two others

[00:44:13] besides that I think I've only want like a total of two or three games so those two that I mentioned

[00:44:18] and maybe one or two others I'm not sure I'd have to turn on my Wii to figure out

[00:44:23] but yeah so I mean that's about it that's about the most I have most experience I have with the TurboGraphics

[00:44:31] you know on any of Chris what are your what are your some of your favorites favorite games on the TurboGraphics

[00:44:36] or sorry PC engine for those in Japan

[00:44:40] so blazing lasers definitely

[00:44:43] really is a major standout and so are the bomber man titles play the bomber man titles

[00:44:50] and beyond that if you love schmups the PC engine is a schmup is the schmup central

[00:45:00] absolutely is probably right next to the Sega Genesis Mega Drive

[00:45:04] it's probably they're very comparable in terms of their libraries

[00:45:08] and it's it's impressive what it can do for its capabilities because it is less powerful than the Genesis

[00:45:15] so yeah definitely any schmups but if I'm taking one game away from it

[00:45:19] blazing lasers is probably my favorite game on the console overall it's just so good

[00:45:23] it's a solid title it's a great introductory schmup so if you've never played a schmup before in your life

[00:45:29] and you're like I need to find a game that might be able to get me into it

[00:45:34] yeah blazing lasers is that game so highly recommend it still stands the test of time today it's great fun

[00:45:41] absolutely man I'd also recommend Chris his episode on blazing lasers

[00:45:46] I think you did with schmup junkie right yeah we did the schmup junkie cool dude love that guy

[00:45:51] really good episode he's he's the whole reason I even got into the TurboGraphics to begin with whatever I did

[00:45:59] yeah it's all of his like major recommendations like yeah the soldier blade

[00:46:04] the R type series blazing laser especially blazing lasers because holy fuck once you start getting enough power ups

[00:46:10] you feel like a god you're just like annihilating the whole entire screen with lasers this way and that dude yeah it's so good

[00:46:18] and then you get hit once yeah they get once and it's like well fuck should I even keep playing

[00:46:25] I guess I enjoy air zonk more than anything else because they're just how fucking like wacky and colorful it is

[00:46:32] and it reminds me a lot of like Mega Man X like how everything is as a machine like they have like the mechanical animals fish

[00:46:41] and you saw that a lot Mega Man X and it's just cartoony goofy fun like your little side kicks are just stupid and fun

[00:46:49] like there's a like a Pharaoh mummy guy with the drill on his head there's like a bloated cow

[00:46:56] one is just like a Japanese like a sentient floating like Japanese temple there's a witch

[00:47:03] there's quite a few more it's cool air zonk is cool I think I did get air zonk as well on my on the wheat now that I think about it

[00:47:12] it has so much personality it dies oh my god don't you know I guess the sequel came out on the the CD add on don't even bother with that one don't even it's

[00:47:22] it's it's so slow oh this this game is probably not going to be for everybody because the difficulties a little high and it is an early racing game

[00:47:30] but final lap twin and the reason I say final lap twin is because it is an RPG racing game

[00:47:37] oh yeah interesting so you you start in a town it has cities and towns and over map over world map just like a JRPG wood like a dragon quest

[00:47:47] and then I think the I think it is in the over map you face random battles and when you run into an opponent they'll challenge you to a race

[00:47:54] and you have to race them and then when you make money you can use that money to upgrade your car parts

[00:47:59] that's that is that's so fucking cool yeah I need to check that one out that's when I haven't played yet but I find

[00:48:04] need to in the last words for the turbo graphics play it yeah play it I want to play it you can I mean you might you might have to emulate

[00:48:14] it but there's also quite a few games on the the CD add on that are pretty fucking good as well too like yeah ease

[00:48:24] there's one one no like this is a couple schmups sprig in and sapphire I think it's called sapphire they're really good

[00:48:32] yeah turbo graphics in the CD thing pretty good what do we got next it's the Genesis next right sure yeah that's okay

[00:48:41] yeah yeah mega drive such Genesis there we go yeah this one I have I actually played quite a bit of as a kid because yeah in Iowa

[00:48:50] I said this a little bit in the fifth gen episode as well to but like in Iowa all you ever saw

[00:48:58] like I guess in the fourth generation all you ever saw was either SNES or Genesis whenever my whenever I went to my

[00:49:05] dads for the weekend and he had to work he would drop my brother and I off with our uncle

[00:49:12] and we would just stay at his house pretty much all day playing Genesis games or we'd go outside every so often but mostly we

[00:49:20] would just stay inside and play Genesis games and it was pretty much all earthworm gym sonic and I think comics zone as well

[00:49:29] too what course comics zone kicked our little kid asses not only picked it up a lot more as an adult it the fucking games are so good dude

[00:49:38] it's it's quickly climbing up there is like one of my favorite fucking consoles for sure it's it's the libraries a Titanic

[00:49:46] like it or Titan whatever it is Titanic yeah I mean it's it really is a great system I found actually for myself as I get older

[00:49:55] like I had a lot of fun this for it as a kid but you know Genesis has a lot more arcade style games which have never been my speed

[00:50:05] like I don't know what it is arcade games just don't click with me and I wish they did because there's a lot of not just because of the

[00:50:12] Sega Genesis but just also the you know arcades in general like the arcades were always a thing that kind

[00:50:19] of passed me by always wish I could have experienced experience them more as a kid and I didn't really get a chance to

[00:50:26] so with the Genesis like I have a lot of really fun memories of it where growing up my neighbor had one and we would go over to

[00:50:35] his house and this neighbor he they were interesting like we never did this to them but they would like periodically they

[00:50:43] would just knock on our door and be like hi my mom said I could come over it's like what the hell I

[00:50:49] like you know just invite yourself over like what the fuck but they would do that so we would go over to their house and

[00:50:57] you know what I kind of call it even a little bit because a lot of times I would only want to go over to play video games not

[00:51:03] because I wanted to see them I just wanted to play their Sega we would play Sonic the Hedgehog 2 Sonic 1 my personal favorite from that

[00:51:13] game there's two there's two games that really stuck out with me might be more for Power Rangers the movie because I

[00:51:20] fucking love Power Rangers as a kid in that game is a decent beat him up like it's not anything like ground breaking but

[00:51:27] it's like serviceable and then tiny tune adventures busters hidden treasure oh my God I love that game I I this is going to sound so

[00:51:39] stupid and cheesy but you ever like when you're a kid do you ever remember like your first like good dream

[00:51:45] like the great the good dream that still sticks with you like years later even if it maybe doesn't like out

[00:51:52] I know you maybe it's not like it maybe now seems more cute than actually like a wholesome feeling you know what I mean

[00:51:58] the first dream I remember was a nightmare well I'm talking about like the first dream that's a good dream

[00:52:03] that you remember not the first dream ever I like I have nightmares I remember I don't remember which came

[00:52:08] from the first but you have like a dream that you remember that was good that you still remember all these years later no

[00:52:13] no dreams the other dreams I remember from being a kid there weren't necessarily nightmares there's just those ones where

[00:52:20] you feel like you're falling but you're just laying in bed that's all I like and remember from being a kid

[00:52:26] well I guess I'm the weird one then so I had I had there's one dream I remembered as a kid

[00:52:32] where I was at my grandparents house and for some reason it would like it was in this room that doesn't actually exist

[00:52:41] like I know where it would be in the geography of their house but you know how your your mind like warps shit when you're when you're in your dreams

[00:52:48] so I'm in this room and I'm playing the Sega Genesis I'm playing Tiny Tune Adventures on this I'm like on the TV

[00:52:56] and then there's a big window like if I'm looking at the TV there's a then a big window behind the TV

[00:53:02] and all my friends are playing outside so it was like this really like really like overly like cheesy happy

[00:53:09] like something you would see out of like something like out of a kids movie or out someone trying to be like super

[00:53:16] like campy almost with how happy the scene is it was like that and I vividly remember I was probably like eight or nine years old

[00:53:23] and I vividly remember that dream like waking up and just wishing I had a Sega Genesis so I could try to reenact that dream

[00:53:31] but it's a cool dream though yeah oh hell yeah where's Shaggy was that creative as a kid?

[00:53:36] I mean I don't know if that's creative I just wanted to play Tiny Tune Adventures

[00:53:42] do you think it's a great game it's like a combination of like Mario and Sonic

[00:53:47] it's got the momentum building of Sonic but with a little bit better physics like in terms of controlling the jumps and everything of Mario

[00:53:56] and the level design is a little bit more Mario-esque but it's a really solid platformer

[00:54:01] I'm not going to say it's like great it's very very difficult towards the end for towards a ladder stage

[00:54:08] I've never truly been able to beat the game but it's a great kind of like Mario crossover with Sonic if that makes sense

[00:54:17] dude funnily enough I did not play this on the Genesis I played this on the SNES and my cousin's house

[00:54:23] because all they had was a miss Pac-Man Kirby's Dream course and this fucking Tiny Tunes game other SNES

[00:54:30] so I mean I didn't dream of playing it but I know they had it and I played it quite a bit and I hated it

[00:54:37] were you thinking of Buster Buss loose?

[00:54:39] Yes I'm pretty sure yeah

[00:54:42] so Busters Hidden Treasure is only for the Genesis and it's different

[00:54:46] then Buster Buss loose

[00:54:48] okay okay well fuck what I said then

[00:54:51] Lies

[00:54:55] oh what about you Chris what's your like the earliest and or fondest memory of the Genesis

[00:55:02] so the earliest memory I have is my neighbor had it

[00:55:07] their name was Katie Stein and I went over to her house

[00:55:14] and they had a Sega Genesis that her dad would play

[00:55:18] and I think the first thing I ever saw in a Sega Genesis and I didn't understand what it was

[00:55:22] because once I saw the Sega Genesis there's only one game on my mind

[00:55:25] which we all know what it is but before I get to that I have to shout out another great game for the system

[00:55:29] Outrun and

[00:55:31] Nice playing outrun and then he would stop playing outrun because I guess that was the dad game at the time

[00:55:37] which yeah totally understandable

[00:55:40] and then we started playing

[00:55:42] what else?

[00:55:43] Sonic the fucking hedgehog

[00:55:46] of course

[00:55:47] which was just revel like that was a revelation

[00:55:50] that was

[00:55:52] like for everyone now who wants to go back and says Sonic isn't that good

[00:55:56] Sonic isn't a big deal the first Sonic really isn't that good of a game

[00:55:59] Yo fuck you

[00:56:01] Sonic's great

[00:56:02] It's a great game and everyone thought it was a great game when it came out

[00:56:06] because like it did come out the same town around Super Mario World

[00:56:10] I love Super Mario World

[00:56:11] but back then when we were kids

[00:56:13] people did really want to play Sonic over Super Mario World

[00:56:16] that's why Sega ended up taking over in market chair for so long

[00:56:19] was because Sonic

[00:56:21] so like people can say whatever they want to like marketing be damned

[00:56:26] people thought Sonic was fun people enjoyed Sonic people

[00:56:29] like thought Sonic was a legit great game

[00:56:32] so let's stop let's cut the shit about how Sonic wasn't that good

[00:56:36] no it was fucking great like stop

[00:56:39] but that that was my memory and then

[00:56:42] I didn't have a Sonic I ended up getting I didn't have a Sonic

[00:56:45] I didn't have a Genesis

[00:56:47] and the Genesis came out like a few years before Sonic

[00:56:50] and like the Genesis what a lot of people don't know is like

[00:56:54] the Genesis was doing okay but it like wasn't this big system before Sonic came out

[00:56:58] it was it was slightly pulling away from the TurboGraphic 16

[00:57:02] in terms of overall sales just because its marketing was far better

[00:57:07] and like the Famicom the NES was starting to get a little long in the tooth

[00:57:12] but Super Mario Brothers 3 was also a thing

[00:57:15] so it's not like people have forgotten about it

[00:57:17] so like yeah the Sega Genesis wasn't doing fantastic

[00:57:21] until Sonic came out

[00:57:23] but then I went over to had another daycare a kids daycare

[00:57:28] and they had a Sega Genesis there

[00:57:30] and I remember playing a lot of games at the time like Dick Tracy

[00:57:35] which is really good

[00:57:37] it's a really fun time probably it's stupid hard later on

[00:57:41] but you know Dick Tracy was there

[00:57:43] there'd be RBI baseball there

[00:57:45] and Sonic the Hedgehog of course

[00:57:48] and I remember doing the level select code which is

[00:57:52] up down left right A start at the screen

[00:57:56] or if you want to do the debug mode which is up C down C left C right C A start

[00:58:00] you hear the ring

[00:58:01] and then you could go in the debug mode

[00:58:03] and that's what we do all the time

[00:58:04] we try to cheat the hell out of that game

[00:58:06] but most of the time

[00:58:08] that we would get to the level select stage

[00:58:10] we very rarely went to the last stage

[00:58:12] we go to Starlight Zone

[00:58:14] just so we could hear the music

[00:58:16] because the music of that game

[00:58:18] was phenomenal

[00:58:19] and like everyone thought that the music in Starlight Zone was so good

[00:58:22] that we didn't go to Chaos Zone right off the get

[00:58:25] we would go to Starlight Zone man

[00:58:27] and like you look back at like a bunch of kids

[00:58:31] and normally you think all they want to do is to cheat to win the game

[00:58:35] and they would just go to the level for the music

[00:58:37] that is just mind blowing to me

[00:58:40] when you really sit down and think about

[00:58:42] what people were doing

[00:58:45] and why they would cheat to go to certain levels

[00:58:47] and I still can't, I look back

[00:58:49] and like why were we doing that?

[00:58:50] That makes no sense

[00:58:52] but yeah that's a lot of my memories

[00:58:55] and I ended up getting one

[00:58:57] sometime I think in late 92

[00:59:00] or early 93

[00:59:02] and it was because Streets of Rage 2

[00:59:05] came out on the Genesis

[00:59:07] and they had a really great marketing campaign

[00:59:09] of course and kids love marketing campaigns

[00:59:11] and so

[00:59:13] it's like finally time to get to Genesis

[00:59:16] and they came out with this version of the Genesis

[00:59:19] that was bundled with Streets of Rage 2

[00:59:21] and I think it was called like the mega-forcer

[00:59:24] the mega-pad pro or something like that

[00:59:26] where it was a Sega Genesis controller

[00:59:28] instead of getting like a basic Sega Genesis controller

[00:59:30] you got a Genesis controller with turbo switch

[00:59:33] which is like on the TurboGraphic 16

[00:59:35] so instead of having to hit attack

[00:59:37] all the time you could just hold down the B button

[00:59:39] and your characters would attack

[00:59:40] so yeah, the first console

[00:59:42] the first game I got with the Sega Genesis

[00:59:44] was Streets of Rage 2

[00:59:45] which today is my favorite game of all time

[00:59:47] and I think I got signed my hedgehog as well

[00:59:50] so I have a lot of file memories of it as a kid

[00:59:53] and then when I got into collecting

[00:59:56] around 2013 or 2013

[00:59:59] so when I realized the Saturn was stupid expensive

[01:00:02] and I didn't have the money to entertain that bullshit

[01:00:05] I decided that I was going to collect for the Genesis

[01:00:09] because back then no one gave a shit about the Genesis

[01:00:12] it was all about the NES and the Super Nintendo

[01:00:14] so like Genesis games were dirt cheap

[01:00:18] and so I ended up getting a ton of them

[01:00:20] like a ton of great Genesis games

[01:00:22] and that's when you really start to realize

[01:00:24] how deep and how amazing that library is

[01:00:27] that is

[01:00:29] absolutely man

[01:00:31] I wish I would have gotten into collecting the Genesis a lot more

[01:00:34] like way before

[01:00:37] the fucking market exploded

[01:00:39] I mean I still see

[01:00:41] like in the local Facebook marketplace

[01:00:44] sometimes I'll see like a bundle of just like a Genesis

[01:00:47] and random ass games every so often

[01:00:49] but it's always just a bunch of shit

[01:00:51] that I don't care about

[01:00:52] like I'm not a big sports game guy

[01:00:54] like it'll be

[01:00:56] Madden or whatever the fuck like NBA games

[01:00:59] and that sucks

[01:01:00] but yeah

[01:01:02] as a full grown ass man

[01:01:04] now in my 32 years on this planet

[01:01:07] I've been digging through the Genesis library quite a bit

[01:01:11] and fuck me if there isn't some real goddamn gems

[01:01:15] on this

[01:01:16] ironically enough columns three

[01:01:18] that has gems

[01:01:19] haha

[01:01:20] I made a dumb fucking joke right there

[01:01:22] but yeah call yeah

[01:01:24] and I

[01:01:26] there we go fucking rings

[01:01:28] well and I feel like

[01:01:30] to tie him with what I was saying before

[01:01:32] how the Genesis really feels like

[01:01:34] there's a lot of arcade

[01:01:36] ports on it

[01:01:37] it's a lot

[01:01:38] much more Katie style game

[01:01:40] or system game system

[01:01:42] excuse me

[01:01:43] there are still a lot of great games

[01:01:45] at like

[01:01:46] stereotypical

[01:01:48] home console players

[01:01:49] like home gamers

[01:01:50] would want to play

[01:01:51] but not just like altered beast is great

[01:01:53] but that's still very like an arcade

[01:01:55] style game right

[01:01:56] you think

[01:01:57] it's great

[01:01:58] it's fine

[01:01:59] it's fun enough

[01:02:00] I have good memories with it because I played it with a friend

[01:02:03] now when I first started collecting Genesis

[01:02:05] it was one of the first ones he told me

[01:02:07] because he had a lot in nostalgia for it

[01:02:09] so

[01:02:10] the rise from your grave

[01:02:12] is still like

[01:02:13] stop it

[01:02:14] oh up

[01:02:15] it's like

[01:02:16] it's like

[01:02:17] oh

[01:02:19] but like there's so many

[01:02:21] really cool and interesting Genesis games that don't get talked about enough

[01:02:25] Chris I think you guys over on the

[01:02:28] R.H. Review Crew did

[01:02:30] rock and night adventures somewhat recently right

[01:02:32] oh yes

[01:02:33] fantastic game

[01:02:34] fantastic one of the best soundtracks on the Genesis

[01:02:38] some of the coolest

[01:02:40] like platforming mechanics

[01:02:42] that you don't get to see

[01:02:44] done in others

[01:02:45] like the Genesis I feel like had a lot like

[01:02:47] if there was a like a hidden gem on there

[01:02:50] like it was

[01:02:51] fantastic

[01:02:52] like rock and night adventures is really good

[01:02:54] high seas havoc

[01:02:55] is it awful

[01:02:56] like it's

[01:02:57] it's not great

[01:02:58] but it's fine

[01:02:59] land stalker

[01:03:00] is an interesting like isometric adventure game

[01:03:02] that one's pretty good

[01:03:04] I own it

[01:03:05] I've actually yet to play

[01:03:06] I think I put it up for one of my Patreon polls

[01:03:08] and it didn't get voted for so that's a bummer

[01:03:10] I'm trying to think

[01:03:14] besides like I already mentioned

[01:03:16] tiny two adventures

[01:03:17] Busters hidden treasure

[01:03:18] that's like one of my favorite games of all time

[01:03:21] but I

[01:03:22] man if I wasn't packing up my game or my turn around

[01:03:25] and look right at my Genesis shelf

[01:03:27] and see like what else is on there

[01:03:29] but there's so many good games for the system

[01:03:32] and it just does not

[01:03:34] be the internet

[01:03:36] for better or worse

[01:03:37] is very North American Nintendo

[01:03:39] centric

[01:03:40] and I think

[01:03:42] it's a lot of cool Sega stuff

[01:03:44] gets overlooked

[01:03:46] and if you are a Sega creator

[01:03:48] then your pitch and hold into Sega forever

[01:03:50] it feels like

[01:03:52] so it's kind of a bummer

[01:03:54] because there's a lot of great stuff on there

[01:03:56] and it just gets overlooked

[01:03:58] and I'm going to try to look up some other games

[01:04:01] real quick that I have in my collection

[01:04:03] so I can at least shout out more than just rock and night

[01:04:05] but what do you guys think of it

[01:04:07] Chris did you have anything you wanted to say

[01:04:09] or on rock and night?

[01:04:11] No I mean it's just a really good game

[01:04:13] it's a really solid effort from

[01:04:15] from Konami when Konami was just rocking it

[01:04:17] and Konami has a bunch of other good games

[01:04:19] on there too

[01:04:20] Castlevania Bloodlines is finally starting to get involved

[01:04:23] that it probably should have gotten a lot of years ago

[01:04:26] I think hyperstone heist

[01:04:28] is a game

[01:04:30] it's turns in time at home

[01:04:32] if you want to feel like

[01:04:34] oh I want to play turtles in time

[01:04:35] and your mom says we have turtles in time at home

[01:04:37] and she gives you hyperstone heist

[01:04:38] you're disappointed

[01:04:39] that's my thoughts on hyperstone heist

[01:04:41] the other way sis

[01:04:43] yeah the way sis

[01:04:45] I like that one

[01:04:47] Contra Hardcore, another Konami Banger

[01:04:49] it's hard as nails

[01:04:51] but that fucking soundtrack

[01:04:53] Pomp Stude

[01:04:55] really?

[01:04:57] you get three hits before you die

[01:04:59] Holy shit I've been lied to

[01:05:01] fantasy star series

[01:05:04] fantasy star 4 in particular

[01:05:06] you should play two and three are

[01:05:08] fantasy star 4 you should play

[01:05:11] shining forest

[01:05:13] shining forest

[01:05:14] shining forest

[01:05:15] one into our fantastic

[01:05:16] shining in the darkness

[01:05:17] is a nice RPG

[01:05:19] staying on RPGs

[01:05:21] got a sort of Vermillion

[01:05:23] some people really like

[01:05:24] but it has an acquired taste

[01:05:25] like Crusaders

[01:05:26] supposed to be pretty good

[01:05:27] I think that's a treasure joint

[01:05:28] sticking with treasure

[01:05:29] gunstar heroes

[01:05:30] is phenomenal

[01:05:31] dynamite head heist

[01:05:32] a lot of fun

[01:05:34] dynamite head heist

[01:05:35] god I fucking love that game

[01:05:36] so much dude

[01:05:37] and schmups

[01:05:39] I have

[01:05:40] I have Phelios Phelios

[01:05:42] is a great one

[01:05:43] Thunder Force 4 and Thunder Force 3

[01:05:44] of course you have to mention those

[01:05:46] Gairis is

[01:05:48] great truckston

[01:05:49] brought to fame

[01:05:50] by classic game room

[01:05:52] you have fire shark

[01:05:53] fire shark

[01:05:54] is just phenomenal

[01:05:56] there are so many

[01:05:58] arcade type

[01:06:00] games

[01:06:02] that if you

[01:06:03] if you're looking

[01:06:04] forward just really fast

[01:06:06] frantic twitchy games

[01:06:07] and they have the share of

[01:06:09] RPGs

[01:06:10] it's not like the Super Nintendo

[01:06:11] which I know we're going to talk

[01:06:12] about and it's going to be

[01:06:13] very super like RPG

[01:06:14] happy I guarantee it

[01:06:15] but like if you're looking

[01:06:16] for more

[01:06:17] like your twitch-based

[01:06:18] action games

[01:06:20] I don't think any

[01:06:21] console really does it

[01:06:22] better than the Sega Genesis

[01:06:24] in terms of just volume

[01:06:26] and quality

[01:06:28] and the

[01:06:30] modern

[01:06:31] modern era when all those

[01:06:32] games are just re-releases

[01:06:34] of those games

[01:06:35] and so it's great

[01:06:36] I just realized Chris

[01:06:38] I don't if you mention this

[01:06:39] I apologize but

[01:06:40] I don't think you did

[01:06:41] your favorite game of all

[01:06:42] time streets of

[01:06:43] rage two

[01:06:44] yeah

[01:06:45] yeah

[01:06:46] when I got

[01:06:47] the system with the

[01:06:48] megafire gamepad

[01:06:50] came pulled in

[01:06:52] I also want to

[01:06:54] I also want to shout out

[01:06:55] I have not personally played

[01:06:56] this with my friend Andy

[01:06:57] who is a

[01:06:59] great fan of it

[01:07:00] general chaos

[01:07:01] I love that game

[01:07:03] you love that game

[01:07:04] I've played

[01:07:05] much of it

[01:07:06] it's really

[01:07:07] interesting from what I

[01:07:08] have

[01:07:09] I mentioned how you see

[01:07:10] you have a

[01:07:11] James Bond 007

[01:07:12] the dual

[01:07:13] isn't anything

[01:07:14] like fantastic

[01:07:15] but it's a

[01:07:16] serviceable

[01:07:17] platformer

[01:07:18] it's like

[01:07:19] it's like

[01:07:20] it's like a

[01:07:22] shooter platformer

[01:07:23] type of thing

[01:07:24] this game

[01:07:25] is not good

[01:07:26] but it can be

[01:07:28] good

[01:07:29] the

[01:07:30] it can be

[01:07:31] great

[01:07:32] awesome

[01:07:33] awesome

[01:07:34] awesome

[01:07:35] awesome

[01:07:36] awesome

[01:07:37] cool

[01:07:38] kick

[01:07:39] doctor

[01:07:40] machine

[01:07:41] was

[01:07:42] but

[01:07:43] yeah

[01:07:44] because

[01:07:45] that

[01:07:46] awesome

[01:07:47] possible

[01:07:48] to be

[01:07:49] a

[01:07:50] tendon

[01:07:51] like

[01:07:52] mascot

[01:07:53] they were trying

[01:07:54] to get

[01:07:55] for it too. People are still making games for it to this day. So like a big name one that

[01:08:01] people may recognize, there's two big names once that people may know. One is paprium,

[01:08:05] which is infamous. But people say it's good. I haven't played it. It's but like it's development

[01:08:11] cycle is a nightmare and it's quite laughable. But it's supposed to be quite a good game.

[01:08:16] And then you have like probably very famous at this point because they've released out

[01:08:19] everything, at least within like these small communities is Xenocrysis, which oh yeah,

[01:08:24] I think was made for the Genesis and then ported to everything else like the Neo Geo

[01:08:28] and the Dreamcast, but it's a Genesis game. And Yuzo, because you're is making a schmup

[01:08:34] in earthy on which to be out either next year. So like they're still developing for this

[01:08:39] system. Like it's insane. And those that's just scratching the surface. Those are like

[01:08:44] the ones that I know of off the top my head. Well, there's so many more. I'm even just

[01:08:48] looking at my list here, not saying I enjoy these games, but I know these are popular games

[01:08:53] Earthworm gym, Disney's Aladdin, cool spot, Toja Mineral, Toja Mineral, which I will actually

[01:09:01] be doing an episode on later this year at some point. Mega Man, the Wiley words, which

[01:09:07] didn't get a North American. Well, it sort of got a North American release in on the Sega

[01:09:12] channel. Sort of obviously we already talked about Sonic, but you have Sonic three and knuckles

[01:09:21] trying to think this one I don't oh zombies ate my neighbors is another popular one.

[01:09:27] Dr. Man, Dr. Man's good. That's good. Dr. Man's got crazy animation like that game is like

[01:09:33] nuts looking even now. This game I can't say I understand how to even play it, but it's

[01:09:40] a port of a game called Mega Lomania, which was like a PC proto RTS game, but it was ported

[01:09:48] to Sega as tyrants fight through time. And I'm going to I'm going to double check because

[01:09:57] Mega Lomania, it's a real time strategy game developed by sensible software. Let me see

[01:10:04] here. Well, the first RTS is the first RTS that's credited by a lot of people or

[01:10:08] the like a grandfather of RTS is his hair songs by yes, which was which Sega Genesis game

[01:10:15] which I don't really count as it, but I understand why people do. I consider the first one

[01:10:22] Dune two personally, but that's just I agree. Yeah. That's just my opinion.

[01:10:26] But I think that got a lot of the ideas for that from hair songs by exactly so her talk

[01:10:32] so that that's it's a it is the influence for it is the primary influence for Dune two,

[01:10:39] but it's just a little bit different. But yeah, I did a series like years ago on the history

[01:10:44] of RTS and even now I'd actually like to redo it because I did it's I fucked up the time

[01:10:49] order. It's too much to explain how to it's too much to explain on here why I messed it up,

[01:10:55] but I fucked up the time order. And Mega Lomania was one of the ones that like really intrigued me.

[01:11:01] I wish I still had my notes for it. Otherwise, I could read it off to you kind of tell you

[01:11:06] like what it is again, but I don't want to read through the whole Wikipedia page trying to

[01:11:11] re recollect what it's all about. But yeah, I just thought I wanted to shout that out just because

[01:11:17] Mega Lomania is a popular RTS game for Amiga and home systems, but then it did get ported

[01:11:23] to the Genesis as tyrants fight through time, which I thought was like super odd. And when doing

[01:11:28] research for it, I when I found that out, it blew my mind because I typically back when I was

[01:11:34] like really hardcore collecting, especially before prices went crazy. I would just go to a

[01:11:40] game store and be like, what's the weirdest sounding game that I can find? Like what has a weird

[01:11:45] cover art? I just want to buy games just for shits and giggles. I don't care if it's good or bad.

[01:11:50] I just want to see what this is just purely based off the name or cover. That's how I found awesome

[01:11:57] possum. And that's how I found this. So when I was doing research and I saw one of the games I'm

[01:12:02] researching has a port to the Sega and it's a game that I bought on a whim. I'm like, what the fuck?

[01:12:07] Super weird. Big shout out to the Genesis to the Genesis version of ghouls and ghosts.

[01:12:14] Yeah, ghouls and ghosts because it's yeah, almost almost identical to the arcade version,

[01:12:21] which is which is awesome. Moussa is a really fucking good show up with the Genesis. That one's awesome.

[01:12:28] Mega Bomberman or Bomberman 94. I forget what it's called exactly.

[01:12:34] Mega Bomberman. There we go. There's one other one I had in the back of my head too, but I was

[01:12:38] enjoying your talk of RTSs. Oh, bringing back columns three. I'm a big arcade puzzle game,

[01:12:47] fella. Then you have columns through. Yeah, that was what I was going to look like. It's just

[01:12:54] Puyo Puyo, but it's got that cool sonic re-skin over it. Then you basically just fight your way

[01:12:59] through his little robot dudes and then then you then you fight Dr. Robotnik and I say you'll fight

[01:13:04] him. You play against him in Puyo Puyo, but it's still fun. A lot of people like to shit on the

[01:13:10] how a lot of devs just couldn't get the audio right for most Genesis games, but a lot of Genesis

[01:13:17] games have fucking sick soundtracks like the adventures of Batman and Robin on Genesis. It's got this

[01:13:22] like industrial techno kind of fucking vibe to it and it slaps real hard.

[01:13:29] It's a pan's though you have to I think that's one of the Sega Genesis's worst qualities is

[01:13:36] it's sound. Yeah, and that's because so many it's the gem's sound development system which

[01:13:44] is what Sega gave to Western developers because it was cheap to use and they didn't really know

[01:13:49] how to use the sound ship and so when people say oh it smells it sounds like farts

[01:13:54] because it does sound like farts because the majority of developers did not know how to use that

[01:13:59] sound ship. So yes you're alright like some I think streets of rage too aside from being the best

[01:14:04] game of all time my favorite game also has probably my favorite soundtrack of all time and

[01:14:10] the Genesis game. It's iconic same with the original streets of rage was also fantastic. The

[01:14:15] under force games are fantastic, but then go listen to like any go listen to Sonic Spinbull's soundtrack

[01:14:22] and tell me that sounds good. I love the composition but you want to talk about Sega Farts. Yeah,

[01:14:27] that is straight up Sega Farts and that's one of the better examples. Like there is some effort put

[01:14:33] into that one. And I fucking not not to get a stirreled off of the like the sound on the Genesis

[01:14:42] but like the Genesis had it had a lot of like cool little add-ons that were way ahead of its time

[01:14:46] like the Sega channel. I've never I've obviously never used it myself but well I shouldn't say

[01:14:52] obviously fucking people don't know that. I've never used the Sega channel, but it's it was

[01:14:58] such a cool fucking idea to like just call up your cable writer be like hey babe dog I want the

[01:15:04] Sega channel and they'd be like okay and they have to have that little adapter and then boom you get

[01:15:08] alien soldier one of the fucking coolest little run-and-gun shooters ever dude it's insanely fast

[01:15:14] and fucking that's wild how that shit works. It's also how you could get Pulse Man which is

[01:15:19] from Game Creek pre-Pokémon game from Game Creek which is kind of cool to say. And it's actually

[01:15:27] Pulse Man is fucking awesome. It's so slick for a for a Sega channel game. I mean I guess

[01:15:34] haven't played it on the actual second. Did you? Were the games on the Sega channel were they

[01:15:40] like streamed over your cable or were they like downloaded to your Genesis? Downloaded them

[01:15:46] right Chris. I think they were downloaded into RAM so when you turned it off the system they weren't

[01:15:52] in there anymore. So there was more like streaming if I recall correctly but like if you turn

[01:15:58] off your console wouldn't be there anymore but it was like put it on to yeah put it on to like

[01:16:03] RAM temporarily on the cartridge that was inside of your Genesis. And then yeah everything would

[01:16:10] erase after you turn off the console. Okay we'll let's do. It's wild myself and real oh sorry go

[01:16:17] ahead. Well they that's and actually they had the mega modem in Japan which predated the

[01:16:22] Sega channel. So like you go back to Fantasy Star 2 and they had all these side stories that were

[01:16:29] essentially downloadable content. That's awesome. That is one of my favorite things about learning

[01:16:36] about game history when you think you think it's something as like DLC is like I mean DLC is old now

[01:16:41] but you know even back in like 2010 when it was at the height of its problematic or close getting

[01:16:47] closer to its height of problematic business practices in 2010 through 13 or whatever anyway.

[01:16:54] We just started learning about them. Yeah it's exactly around for a while but that's the thing

[01:17:01] though it's like whenever I always like seeing things that I almost feel like are more modern concepts

[01:17:07] because we see them all the time now only to realize that they've been around a lot longer than

[01:17:12] you expect. The example I give on my show and lots of others is like freaking Simon's Quest on NES

[01:17:20] where it's an open world exploratory game with a day and night cycle or things change depending

[01:17:26] on what type of day it is. Now I know that game is polarizing. I don't personally have much of

[01:17:32] an opinion on it but that's not really the point. The point is that it's an open world game on the NES

[01:17:38] with a day and night cycle that and depending on when you are playing it like during the day or

[01:17:43] the night changes the outcome of like what's happening in the game. It's wild and I always like

[01:17:49] finding stuff like that and kind of hearing about how fantasy star two had basically DLC for it

[01:17:56] back on the Genesis is just bonkers to me. Yeah that is right. I had no idea that existed but that's

[01:18:02] that's awesome. That's really really cool. Yeah I pledge little visual novel games.

[01:18:08] That's so cool. That's that's so cool. I do have two things I want to bring up real quick on the

[01:18:15] Genesis 1 with to I did look up Megalo Mania real quick just to explain the gameplay a little bit

[01:18:21] just because I remember it was being it was really interesting. It's an RTS where you are playing

[01:18:26] as one of three gods and you have to conquer the other two gods right and as you you basically

[01:18:33] you have an island that you eat on eat you have you fight on different islands and as you conquer

[01:18:40] each island I think it's like once you beat the two gods at one point then it moves on up to a

[01:18:47] next era and then you go through different epochs of human history so you're literally playing

[01:18:52] through the evolution of human history defeating other gods like and I believe there's like

[01:18:57] total of 28 it says on here there are 28 islands in the game and they kind of go up bit by bit by

[01:19:05] bit eventually going into 2001 it starts at 9500 BC and ends at 2001 AD. I just thought that was

[01:19:12] a really interesting idea for an RTS even back then. By the way Chris that was shooter with the dolphin

[01:19:18] it's UN Squadron I just that is a great music. There's there's another one I'm thinking of

[01:19:24] it's not UN Squadron okay I'll have to look this up now you're now you're gonna make me look this up

[01:19:31] the the other thing I wanted to ask both of you now I know we're all from North America what is

[01:19:37] the better name for the system though the Sega Genesis or the Sega Mega Drive I like the Genesis

[01:19:44] yeah it's like the Mega Drive just sounds like they were just tossing like these pulled words from a

[01:19:49] hat there were like oh mega sounds fucking sick and then drive just whatever but yeah Genesis

[01:19:57] it's like I don't know how to explain it it sounds like it actually means something you know

[01:20:02] like how the Xbox One stupid fucking name was supposed to like mean you know all in one like Xbox

[01:20:09] all in one basically but like Genesis means like it feels like it means like the next evolution or

[01:20:14] the next evolution every step in gaming it's mega drive it just sounds cooler to me I like I said

[01:20:19] I know we're all from North America so maybe it's nostalgia bias talking but I don't know just

[01:20:24] Mega Drive just doesn't seem to I'm with you what you said Aaron it just feels like well mega was

[01:20:30] such a commonly used adjective it just feels kind of played out before even had a chance to exist

[01:20:36] I believe a lot of evangelicals really because they were dominant when you're being raised so that's

[01:20:40] why Genesis sounds fantastic by the way it's Sonic wings three or arrow fighters too oh maybe yeah I

[01:20:49] think it was arrow fighters too that sounds very right what the fuck oh yeah like you and Squadron is

[01:20:58] that has the command of the beard yeah there's no it is Sonic Sonic but now fuck arrow wings and like

[01:21:06] yeah I don't know you're you're right Chris but I think you go to like mega drive and I think this

[01:21:11] was a motif that you see with Japanese consoles so you look at like the Famicom family computer super

[01:21:17] Famicom you know family computer PC engine mega drive it's very computer oriented like they're not

[01:21:26] being very creative with their names really that's how their language works too because like they

[01:21:33] if they if they use the word Genesis like like the Japanese language isn't as it's more matter of fact

[01:21:42] than English maybe maybe I'm just spit not on my ass man that's just like a thought but yeah

[01:21:50] but you don't wait too much caffeine but even going to Sega over there like the the first

[01:21:54] their first system was the SG 1000 and then it was the SG 1000 Mach 2 and then the master system

[01:22:01] was the Mach 3 so essentially it's just the updated version of the SG 1000 is what they're putting

[01:22:07] out there and it's all backwards compatible so all this makes sense in the largest scope of Sega's

[01:22:12] marketing of what they were doing in Japan when it was his home market and when you think about like

[01:22:17] the master system was powerful over in in Europe well the master's was popular in Europe and

[01:22:24] you know they're gonna stay with their home branding in Japan and then United States like no one

[01:22:28] knew what the fucking master system was so really like Genesis in a way was it's first system

[01:22:34] they kind of like did a soft relaunch of what they were trying to do

[01:22:40] in a way I don't know if that was their intention I forgot I probably looked up and I've

[01:22:44] known this before but that would that makes sense yeah because like the I had to look up the

[01:22:50] the definition of the word Genesis basically just being the origin or coming into being of something

[01:22:55] so that that would make sense yeah why that'd be our first our first I guess yeah first

[01:23:02] Sega because I mean all those other systems for Sega in Japan like Sega was really well known

[01:23:07] in Japan and I think when the Genesis came out in North America I don't think Sega as a brand

[01:23:13] was known their games were known but as a brand they weren't no so yeah it would make sense to

[01:23:20] be like well here's our system it's called the Genesis like oh it's the first one and forget

[01:23:24] about that master system you didn't like that anyway you didn't buy it you don't need it I mean

[01:23:28] yeah there's a convertible for it but that's for nerds you are the first Sega owner this is just

[01:23:35] some old you know so don't worry about that master system they're all magenta who likes magenta

[01:23:42] any last words for the genesis list or fuck man a genesis slash mega drive yeah I'm

[01:23:49] slurring my words real hard I'm too coked up on caffeine dude I would just say my last words much

[01:23:56] like the PC engine is if if you're clouded by Nintendo bias to the point where you like

[01:24:05] seriously don't think there's anything of value there then you're wrong and you need to go give

[01:24:10] it a give it a shot yes I second that I would say um to I don't know my find the way

[01:24:19] I would wrap this up for myself for the genesis is this system is more important to me than I kind

[01:24:25] of talk about on my own show uh I've referenced it a few times in episodes when I talk about how I

[01:24:32] got into gaming but like I don't really think I really explain it as much like the the emotional

[01:24:37] impact it made on me because when I first got into gaming this was the system that I wanted because

[01:24:42] my neighbors had it and I remember for Christmas 99 I was 10 years old and my parents got me

[01:24:51] I was begging for a genesis and I granted I had no idea you know at that point you know we're

[01:24:56] already you know the dream cast is out at that point so it's it the genesis as an old system

[01:25:02] comparatively I guess because there was already next gen consoles coming out are almost like

[01:25:06] the very next generation ps2 was out the next year anyway um so I wanted a genesis so bad they did

[01:25:13] not get me that they got me an n64 which I initially hated but now it's one of my favorite systems

[01:25:19] but the genesis was my entry point into video games kind of I guess I prefer the name it was the

[01:25:27] genesis of my love of video games um and I also grew up in a super evangelical house so that was a

[01:25:37] but um yeah it uh this system is awesome as much as it doesn't resonate as much as

[01:25:43] the as much as it doesn't resonate with me as much now just because the more arcadey aspect of a lot

[01:25:48] of the games if you if all you took out of the fact that uh if all you took out of this was that I

[01:25:55] it doesn't resonate with me as much now you're missing the point where we rattled off oh wait like

[01:26:00] dozens of just interesting and fun and cool games and the system's great it really is and like

[01:26:07] I echo what Chris said if you're wrapped up in just only Nintendo height and Nintendo Nintendo

[01:26:14] Nintendo um and just Nintendo world and all that other stuff as much as I love Nintendo

[01:26:21] Sega had some fucking great shit on this system and it's how it's worth checking out um especially

[01:26:27] I feel like because everything is so Nintendo's Hendrick there's a lot of it's an overused term

[01:26:32] but there's a lot of hidden gems on this system that I feel are still waiting to be unearthed

[01:26:37] absolutely man 100% agree before we get to the SNES and then put a cap on this whole thing should

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[01:32:19] man by day he's a contractor by day building things and fixing things by night he's a man who

[01:32:27] who transforms into into what what is he transforming to Josh he transforms into a fuck hold on

[01:32:43] something he is transforming into bushes baked beans there we go transforms into bushes baked beans

[01:32:50] he's a bushes baked beans man just a sentient revolting blob of men goes to inspect the

[01:32:59] cans because he's a contractor by day and since he can't have beans by night he has to make sure

[01:33:04] these beans aren't up to code I thought it was a pipe layer oh he you bet your ass he's a pipe layer

[01:33:12] his name by day is what's a cool fucking name Rod steel man

[01:33:26] Roderick ball sack no Roderick steel sack

[01:33:34] he's an every every day man by day he's laying pipe and stealing your girls and checking your pipes

[01:33:41] but at night he due to exposure to radiation high levels of radiation and extremely high levels

[01:33:48] of bushes baked beans he transforms at night unknowingly into a sentient pile of many many

[01:33:57] different flavors of bushes baked beans and he he storms the countryside roams the countryside

[01:34:05] looking for someone to love I don't fucking know why are you looking for that he's laying pipe

[01:34:11] that's not my empire been eaten beans I'm laying pipe and eaten beans and I am going to find

[01:34:18] some chocolate starfish and I'm all out of beans oh shit yeah he's terrorizing the countryside of

[01:34:28] fucking northwest Indiana because I can't think of like a more remote state than Indiana

[01:34:34] and not northwest Indiana that's not remote is at all

[01:34:39] no dude I'm thinking of play I'm thinking of like the picture in the the place

[01:34:48] the town that pulling a dynamite takes place in how it's bearing as fuck there's just like

[01:34:53] mountains and shit as far as you can see that's like Wyoming isn't it or Idaho it's Idaho

[01:34:59] Idaho that's that's what I'm fucking thinking of yeah northwest Idaho he's he's he's he's absorbing

[01:35:09] the mass of other animals and and and he grows he feeds he yeah he's laying pipe

[01:35:20] absorbing those animals through insertion

[01:35:24] it's like oh fuck what's that one movie oh I was gonna say species but that too dude species because

[01:35:37] I think this is inter species there we go stay with the movie inter species inter beings no let's

[01:35:44] stupid inter species the other we go this is a great advertisement what's uh wasn't

[01:35:53] swathe this movie about beach reality beach reality we bet halfway dude oh man

[01:36:03] maybe uh uh what's Roderick's steel sack needs to to mate with every animal and in the animal kingdom

[01:36:13] in the on planet earth so that he can combine their DNA with beans and make the ultimate killing

[01:36:20] machines the fucking I don't know man this is gone he's the Noah of sperm banks

[01:36:27] two of every kind of bean imagine the bible but with more bushes baked beans and a lot of come

[01:36:37] a lot of common pipe laying all you should I bet the bible was full of pipeline though do

[01:36:42] like no what else do you do back then besides there is there is a lot of pipe laying in the bible

[01:36:48] dude that sounds awesome maybe I should read the bible more yeah I say that as a Christian

[01:36:55] oh man come and uh come

[01:37:04] I don't know are you actually gonna release this are you gonna release this come

[01:37:08] um

[01:37:10] I want to take you bull Ratt

[01:37:16] Right

[01:37:35] Oh we're back dude, we came we're back

[01:37:40] Oh, that was beautiful. Oh fuck dude.

[01:37:44] I need a sweater.

[01:37:45] Yeah, honestly, dude.

[01:37:47] Oh, this is the SNES though.

[01:37:49] Oh man, holy shit. This one probably might fucking take a while because I've got,

[01:37:55] I mean, obligatory, you know, Super Mario world memory here but I played Super Mario World

[01:38:02] a lot. Everybody had it. It was the pack-in game. I played it like every single fucking

[01:38:06] cousin's house that I could think of. I also remember playing a little bit of Kirby Super

[01:38:10] Star here and there because also everybody had that somehow my step brother growing up

[01:38:18] we had Super Castlevania 4 and it was, we were dumb kids so we couldn't make it past the

[01:38:25] first level but the theme song for like the very first level, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh,

[01:38:32] duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh,

[01:38:36] it's just etched into my brain forever. It just lives there rent-free. It's so good. And

[01:38:41] what the fuck was it called?

[01:38:44] Oh, there was some, not Clay Fighter but there's some other like Clay Game I forget.

[01:38:51] Um, um, oh my god. Wasn't there like a racing game with Clay figures or some shit like

[01:38:58] that? I don't think maybe I'm wrong with that. Claymates, Claymates is what it was,

[01:39:03] Claymates. Um, like a little platformer with uh, little clay characters. We played that

[01:39:08] a lot too and yeah, those are, that's probably like my, a lot of my I guess fondest memories

[01:39:15] that really stuck to my brain. What were you guys?

[01:39:18] I tried Josh.

[01:39:19] Okay, I was, I went first last time so I wasn't sure if I can. I didn't, I can't even

[01:39:23] remember because the conversation was just so good.

[01:39:25] I felt bad. I felt like I took too much of the Genesis conversation so I wanted to give

[01:39:29] you a, but I'll go into it just my memories actually are pretty short with this. So, um,

[01:39:34] Super Nintendo, I had very limited experience with as a kid. I had a lot more once I began

[01:39:41] collecting and it quickly grew into one of my favorite consoles to collect for and to

[01:39:46] buy games for and just experience games that I never got to as a kid. Um, I remember going

[01:39:52] over to my friend from church's house and it was for a youth group thing like my parents

[01:39:59] where there was like a handful of adults that were in charge of the youth group at my

[01:40:04] church growing up. And there was, they would have this youth group picnic right? And so

[01:40:10] it was always at someone's house and at this one kids house we went, we went over to

[01:40:15] there for the youth group picnic. I was still a kid not old enough in youth group but because

[01:40:20] my parents were involved, I got to kind of come along with proxy pretty much. I got dragged

[01:40:25] along, dragged along, excuse me. And I remember they it was one of the first houses I had ever

[01:40:31] been in that had like a finished basement. I had never seen one of those before right

[01:40:35] to like TV. Uh, I actually remember when I got a little bit older but still I was pretty

[01:40:43] young because actually this kid he, uh, it's kind of a sad story. He died when I was in sixth

[01:40:49] grade in 2001. He was only two years older than me. I died from bacterial meningitis. I

[01:40:55] never forget that very, very, that, that was a very sad moment. In fact, it's funny. I

[01:41:02] actually, I wish I could find it. I had an old email account and I can't, I don't think

[01:41:08] I can get into it anymore but I had emails from him asking him how to beat stuff in

[01:41:13] the operating of time that I couldn't figure out. Uh, I really wish I could still find

[01:41:18] those emails because it was like, it was really cool. I might be able to find it at some

[01:41:23] point but in any case, um, so yeah, uh, I would go over to the, we went over to their house,

[01:41:30] we went down to their basement and it was the first time that I remember seeing a video

[01:41:35] game and this ties in, it, it starts off with any espatizing was super Nintendo. So just

[01:41:41] kind of bear with me for a second. Um, but it was the first time I had ever truly seen

[01:41:45] a video game that I can remember and I remember it was like Mario three was the game that

[01:41:51] they had on and I still vividly remember just being like blown away by it because Mario

[01:41:58] three looks more like a cartoon than any game prior that I had seen you're like, or

[01:42:04] it looked like a cartoon to me and I, I was so just confused. I'm like, what do you mean

[01:42:09] this is a cartoon you can control like you can, you can just take stuff that's on the

[01:42:14] TV that like, like, you can't touch cartoons on the TV. You know, you can't touch those

[01:42:19] characters but now I can take this thing in my hand and I can control it and also should

[01:42:23] meet dot con and stuff like that. And one of the games I remember him showing me was Super Mario

[01:42:28] World and at the time, I didn't quite understand why the Mario's were different. I was so

[01:42:32] new to everything. I guess whole thing was just a different world to me. But that was

[01:42:38] my first experience. Not only with video games, but also with Super Nintendo. I would play

[01:42:42] I played a little bit of it more NES, but I played a little bit of it at his house. His

[01:42:47] name was Mike and yeah, I still remember him just obviously because like when he passed

[01:42:53] away when I was super young, he was like that one kid that was like the cool kid to me,

[01:42:58] the kid I looked up to. So when he passed away, that was a, that was pretty, that was a rough

[01:43:03] one. But fast forward all these years later into something a little bit more happy than

[01:43:10] a friend dying fast forward all these years later, I get into video game collecting through

[01:43:17] believe it or not like a stranger that I remember this isn't that strange with the angry

[01:43:20] video game nerd because hell yeah, even though there's a whole there's a whole thing where

[01:43:26] down people I'm not going to go into it nothing against him. I actually like I don't

[01:43:30] watch his videos anymore not for any particular reason, but his old videos had stuff up like

[01:43:36] the turbo graphics on it. He would talk about the Sega CD or he would talk about all the

[01:43:41] extra add-ons for like the peripherals that you would see for home consoles and so I got

[01:43:47] into game collecting and then I got into the Super Nintendo from that. I remember buying

[01:43:51] my Super Nintendo at a convention for like 30 bucks and it came with two controllers.

[01:43:59] I think I got like a busted Sega game gear for five. I think I paid $35 in total for a Super Nintendo.

[01:44:05] He threw in a copy of NBA live 96 and a busted Sega game gear which I got repaired at a shop.

[01:44:12] So it was kind of cool to that was like my first entry into it and then I started buying games for it

[01:44:17] and Super Mario World eventually became one of my favorite games for the system.

[01:44:22] Chrono trigger of course Final Fantasy 6. I have a boxed copy of Final Fantasy 6 because I just

[01:44:30] wanted to you know I got deep into collecting for it. This system is so much fun to play still.

[01:44:35] It's definitely more my speed now because it's a lot more based around a home console experience

[01:44:41] but I love this system and it's we talked a little bit about it. I don't know if it's going

[01:44:46] to make it into the final cut but about that misplaced nostalgia. I'm old enough that I could have

[01:44:51] gotten into Super Nintendo as a kid so I did kind of miss out on it a little bit but man playing

[01:44:56] Super Nintendo games just give me all the warm fuzzies in nostalgia even though I didn't get to

[01:45:01] play it as a kid. Yeah and they still hold up incredibly well man like Bucket is super Metroid

[01:45:10] still holds up incredibly well. The Castlevania's, the Final Fantasy's, the Kirby series,

[01:45:18] SNES games, fucking rule dude they're so good. So my experience is that I think I pretty much

[01:45:27] got this console right around launch. I got it that Christmas and I remember playing it a lot

[01:45:34] over at my friend's house because he actually got it at launch and he was playing the game that we all

[01:45:40] had and that was Super Mario World and who didn't want Super Mario World? Mario was on top of

[01:45:48] the world and having a game and I'm like an infamous Super Mario Brothers 3 hater. I mean I don't

[01:45:56] hate it, hate it but I like just playing up to it but one of the things that Super Mario Brothers 3

[01:46:01] wouldn't let you do is save. Super Mario World let you do that. Super Mario World felt so much more

[01:46:08] alive. Super Mario World definitely felt like the next evolution in gaming even compared to what

[01:46:15] you were playing on the Genesis. The colors were brighter there's more colors on screen it just

[01:46:20] felt more detailed it felt more advanced. Now you can make an argument that it wasn't because it

[01:46:25] does have a slower processor and that the big advantage was its sound processor which was made by Sony

[01:46:32] Ken Kuduragi made it if I remember correctly and the amount of colors it could put on screen at once

[01:46:38] even though overall its processor wasn't as fast. So launch and these were games I was playing at

[01:46:43] launch but it launched you had games like Gradius 3 which were like had an immense amount of slowdown

[01:46:50] and I also think a lot of the programmers at the time would make their games based around that

[01:46:55] slow down being incorporated into the gameplay. That's how much slow down was in a lot of these

[01:47:02] Super Nintendo games but one of the things about being a Super Nintendo kid is just that you ride

[01:47:09] that wave of what comes out and I really the funny thing is I can't remember a ton of games

[01:47:15] that I played in my early Super Nintendo game playing time. I think there was

[01:47:23] I would say Miracle Piano but I think that was just like Nintendo game that we had instead

[01:47:27] of a Super Nintendo game but I know that eventually like Turtles in Time was a constant

[01:47:33] constant just what's the centerpiece of the library so it was Super Mario Kart and

[01:47:43] Contra 3 and those were the games that I put a ton of time into and I remember playing a lot

[01:47:50] a Donkey Kong Country 3 eventually just so many of those mainstream titles and especially

[01:47:56] through Blackbuster video that's where I play a lot of my Super Nintendo games and eventually when

[01:48:02] I started getting into RPGs like like Final Fantasy that's when I started paying attention to

[01:48:07] the Final Fantasy games on the system like Final Fantasy 2 and 3 which we now know are 4 and 6

[01:48:13] Final Fantasy Mystic Quest and I start looking beyond that like games with games the RPG elements

[01:48:19] that were adjacent to it like Act Razor which is phenomenal. There are some good racing games of course

[01:48:25] like F zero I really don't care much for the original of zero but a lot of people laugh at I'm not

[01:48:29] gonna say it's a bad game. Not a big fan of Super Metroid but I know a lot of people love it I know

[01:48:34] that's Blasmus but like that that's the other thing I found was Super Nintendo games too is like a

[01:48:40] lot of the games that people swear by and they love I don't have any connection to it I didn't

[01:48:46] play until much later which is just weird like I have no love for a length of the past I have no

[01:48:52] love for Super Metroid I have no love for Yoshi's Island but I love Tetris Attack I love Tetris Attack

[01:49:00] that is such a good game it is one of the best yeah yeah sorry yeah absolutely dude no you're right

[01:49:07] uh but then I start getting into Castlevania and you have Castlevania 4 and Castlevania Dracula X on

[01:49:11] there I think Dracula X is a very underrated title very expensive title uh definitely not with the

[01:49:16] price but a lot of people of Castlevania 4 as well so like if I look back singularly and I want to

[01:49:21] talk about like the the Super Nintendo when I was growing up I probably have more memories but

[01:49:26] I've probably also forgotten more of them because I've just played I've played a lot more Sega

[01:49:34] since I've started collecting so those are always at the forefront of my mind but I can't tell you

[01:49:41] how important uh square enix or square soft at that point had become in terms of developing

[01:49:48] my personality and taste in video games during that era and how much I had just learned to appreciate

[01:49:54] and love RPGs and JRPGs are the style of that we call it now but back then we just call it RPGs

[01:50:02] and that was the central focus of that system and I really think if you go back and you dig into

[01:50:07] the library of the Super Nintendo there's a ton of fantastic games all around you can find

[01:50:12] platformers like I already said Donkey Kong Country and those games the Mario games action games

[01:50:18] like Contra and beat them up like Turtles in Time but the the heart of the system the thing that

[01:50:23] really makes it the standout of the generation if you're going to go back and look for a genre

[01:50:27] are the RPGs because that's what this system did so well yeah it's it's a system that those are a

[01:50:34] genre that the emotions are so conveyed through the music and the music chip on that system was

[01:50:40] so good that some of the best soundtracks of the 16 bit generation are those that come from RPGs

[01:50:47] on the Super Nintendo and there's no denying it so yeah the Super Nintendo is is definitely the one

[01:50:53] I grew up with was a kid I haven't really done anything with it even as a collector I think I'm

[01:50:58] looking my entire Super Nintendo collection right now and it's I mean if it's actually like

[01:51:05] original cartridge games that I can play in English is probably like six games but uh so it's

[01:51:11] it's not something I constantly play but it is definitely something like if I someone was going to

[01:51:16] talk to me about a game on the Super Nintendo I'd probably be like yeah I play that as a kid I play

[01:51:20] this kid like even big ones like Earthbound and Super Mario RPG those were those are my jam and uh

[01:51:26] you know it's a shame that like I don't have those anymore uh because it's worth a gold mine but

[01:51:31] yeah the big time system for me yeah the SNES is it's fucking crazy how well it still

[01:51:40] fucking holds up like I I don't think this generation really had a like really really defined my taste

[01:51:49] in games I think that didn't happen until probably like the PlayStation one because that was like

[01:51:54] the first well I guess the SNES was the first one I had in my own room but the PS1 was the first

[01:52:01] one I had uh in my own room as more of like like a pre-teen so it kind of imprinted me on

[01:52:08] imprinted on me quite a bit and that's where I grew my love of like RPGs was like Final Fantasy 7

[01:52:13] and 8 and two other ones that I cannot remember off the top of my head but as I've gone

[01:52:19] as I've learned more about like the SNES and the Genesis even thermographic 16 a lot of the games

[01:52:25] that I love now are games that I've just discovered and grown to love after yeah just digging through

[01:52:33] these immense retro libraries like like Earthbound I had no idea that existed until

[01:52:41] I was maybe like in my teens I saw it on some fucking show somewhere sometime uh seem like

[01:52:48] secret of mana I didn't play that until yeah my adult years probably amulated it those are two

[01:52:55] my favorites the Kirby series I grew up with a little bit but I didn't really dig into those until

[01:53:01] again my adult years same with like with Chrono Trigger and uh and Mega Man X two that I definitely

[01:53:10] didn't grow up with but I discovered later in my adult life I actually really fucking like

[01:53:15] and it's yeah just a powerful like powerful system just a fucking knockout uh if I had to choose

[01:53:23] between like one of the three of this generation it's so tough to say because I I love all of them

[01:53:30] so much but yeah I mean I would pick I mean as much as I was defending the Genesis the last time

[01:53:37] around I'd pick Super Nintendo just based on my current gaming tastes but like the to what you're

[01:53:44] saying about the quality of games on it I think what's interesting to what I should say that

[01:53:49] what I like about the games on the Super Nintendo is how deceptively deep they are like there's

[01:53:57] there's a lot of interesting and rich mechanics in these games that I don't know not ever

[01:54:05] that that I'm just impressed by how you know they're I guess their vintage to make it sound all

[01:54:10] snooty but like by what year they came out you know like uh Chrono Trigger everyone talks about

[01:54:15] how great Chrono Trigger is but the thing that I remember when I first played that game and the

[01:54:19] thing that really stuck out to me and I have no nostalgia for this game mind you I the first time I

[01:54:25] played Chrono Trigger was like 2014 2013 you know like I was already in my 20s and maybe actually

[01:54:35] how old am I now yeah I wasn't in my 30s yet so I was in my 20s and just kind of exploring the world

[01:54:41] of retro gaming and all that other stuff and I was liking my mid 20s and I remember it just struck

[01:54:47] me how like uh it wasn't random battles which I know it was not the first game to do this but it was

[01:54:54] like the like an ARJ RPG from this era you would think oh it's got random battles but no no random

[01:55:01] battles the fact that the positions of your characters mean something depending on like the position

[01:55:08] to where the enemies are on the screen to where you are on the screen they also had the different

[01:55:13] tax where like you could depending on which characters you had in your party determined like

[01:55:18] different type of special abilities you could use you could do like a three character tech attack

[01:55:23] or a two character or something like that it there was just so much to the battle mechanics more than

[01:55:28] just like here's your basic magic user here's your this and that it just it intrigued me a lot more

[01:55:35] and that's not to say other JRPGs are bad or anything like that like Final Fantasy VI and for some

[01:55:40] are some of the best games of all time I mean most people would probably put six I don't know I feel

[01:55:46] like that's a debate usually six or Final Fantasy VI or Chrono Trigger amongst like JRPG fans but I

[01:55:55] and Final Fantasy VI has some of the deepest storytelling you've seen in games up to that point

[01:56:00] right like it just like the system is just filled with these really interesting ideas and kind

[01:56:09] of bold choices that you would you that still kind of stand out to you today like Earthbound you

[01:56:16] mentioned there and like that game it's just it is it honestly that game does something that I wish

[01:56:22] RPGs would do still the thing where a the rolling hit points I think is a really interesting mechanic

[01:56:29] I always thought was kind of cool not everyone likes it but I kind of like it but the thing I really

[01:56:34] wish that I would see in modern RPGs is that when you're at high enough level you don't even go

[01:56:39] into the fucking battle screen you don't even have to fight the enemy it's just an insta kill

[01:56:45] you get maybe two experience for it because that's how much you would have gotten from the fight anyway

[01:56:50] it doesn't waste your time and it gives you that sense of like holy shit I'm powerful

[01:56:55] it's a really cool idea and I really wish more games would do it and to get off of JRPGs games

[01:57:01] like Mega Man X and Donkey Kong Country like Chris mentioned before like Donkey Kong Country kept

[01:57:06] the system alive for a lot longer than it would have just because it looks so advanced and Mega Man

[01:57:12] X is one of the best design games of all time and plus that soundtrack fucking rules yeah just

[01:57:18] it's awesome the funny thing about Donkey Kong Country and I think I forgot that we did this

[01:57:24] research on it a long time ago um but like Donkey Kong Country the reason they made it everyone just

[01:57:30] assumes Donkey Kong Country was made in response to Sonic the Hedgehog it wasn't Donkey Kong Country

[01:57:38] was made in response to Aladdin because Aladdin was eating Nintendo alive so that's why they made

[01:57:45] Donkey Kong Country and as a result Nintendo like Donkey Kong Country is what I view as the reason

[01:57:53] that the Super Nintendo ended up pulling ahead of the Sega Genesis in terms of market share

[01:57:57] because it like Sega could not figure it out after 1994 like at all they just completely shit the

[01:58:04] bet and Nintendo just hit another gear and with their third parties as well like it's incredible

[01:58:11] if you look at if you look at the Super Nintendo's Game Line up from like 1994 to 1996

[01:58:18] oh 1996 it's it's incredibly sick like it's just banger after banger after banger

[01:58:25] and yeah there's a lot of good games for the Genesis but like not at the rate the Super Nintendo

[01:58:29] was delivering oh I agreed agreed and all like uh something we also haven't mentioned yet

[01:58:35] a game they came out late I don't I don't know if it came out in 96 or in that time span but Yoshi's

[01:58:43] Island was that 96 um I think 95 I know it was a late game in this in the in the systems life

[01:58:51] might have been 95 I don't know I can tell you if it was 96 Josh we would know

[01:58:57] yes yes we would yes and it's not in 96 now that I'm thinking about it so uh yeah

[01:59:07] like but Yoshi's Island is fantastic um what was there was one that I looked up I was looking at

[01:59:12] my list of games that I was just like how could we got to talk about this um

[01:59:18] shit oh Super Mario RPG I mean I know that's not everyone's favorite RPG Chris where do you

[01:59:23] stand on that I don't know like as I know your big RPG fan is it do you enjoy it or do you think

[01:59:27] it's kind of a meh I think it's a fantastic RPG for a child or an obvious I would agree with that

[01:59:37] and I don't I don't I don't think I didn't read it this way but I don't take think that as a

[01:59:42] criticism of the game it's just it's meant for a younger audience yeah absolutely absolutely

[01:59:47] I mean it's I remember when I played it um and it came out 96 I was 11 I remember

[01:59:54] mowing our lawn repeatedly just so I could buy that game and renting that game like back to back

[01:59:59] to back like four times in a row um because I was so hooked on it and addicted on it but I look at

[02:00:05] it today and I'm like I don't think I could get the same level of enjoyment as 11 year old me did

[02:00:11] like I just there's and I'm just like there's something that roams me the wrong way about it

[02:00:17] and I've heard other people talk about it and they seem to think the same way so I don't know I

[02:00:22] still need to go back and give it a chance I haven't played it in a very long time but that's kind

[02:00:25] of my mindset on it right on that's yeah I'm pretty much tapped out on the SNES I do also

[02:00:34] need to go to bed or need to go to bed you're in a little bit but yeah that's the extent of my

[02:00:39] and sending us tank man the the last thing I'll say real quick before we go into final thoughts

[02:00:45] like I did with the Genesis where I said I would go into a game store and buy random games just

[02:00:49] based off of title or cover art um there were power pigs of the dark ages which was an interesting

[02:00:58] like it had like a very cartoony look uh it's like a side scrolling platformer with a little action

[02:01:05] platformer you kind of have a sword it's I don't remember much about it I played it just on a

[02:01:10] whim it was interesting there's a game it was the title because you couldn't you couldn't see the cover art

[02:01:16] on the side label or any get any idea of it it's called pink goes to Hollywood it's a pink panther

[02:01:22] game but like when you see pink it goes to Hollywood you're like what the fuck does that mean

[02:01:27] what do you mean pink goes to Hollywood uh I have a few ideas um I could understand why

[02:01:38] and the last one I wanted to shout out it's a street fighter two clone that's not very good but

[02:01:42] I got it because of the name tough enough to you ff oh yeah apostrophe and uff tough enough

[02:01:50] it's part of a trilogy it is yeah okay I'm glad they made more of that

[02:02:02] um god I wish I knew the other three games but they all have said that dance is what it's

[02:02:06] be what it's known as in Japan okay yeah it's it's a trilogy and the sequel has a

[02:02:13] uh has a dumb name too I don't think the third one came out but we got to talk about the super

[02:02:19] fx chip and and star files yeah yeah yep because I think that really changed that was another game

[02:02:25] that really changed the trajectory of the super Nintendo and catching it up with Sega because Sega

[02:02:30] had virtual racing and I'm sorry I if you love virtual racing I apologize right now but it sucks

[02:02:37] and the the Sega Genesis version is impressive but it's not good it also sucks uh so if you love

[02:02:46] virtual racing by all means love it you could pretty like well I'm really good at well good for you

[02:02:49] that it's a shit game but like star fox is not a shit game star fox 64 is much better let's let's get

[02:02:55] that correct right now but what you saw is that here's your 16 bit console doing things that

[02:03:01] you were told the 16 bit console could not do you know you're like hey here's this 3DO during doing

[02:03:07] 3d graphics you should get a 3DO and it costs like $600 not that you care when you're a kid but um

[02:03:14] and you're like well here's this game with you know furries and I have 3D graphics so see I don't

[02:03:22] need your 3DO and you didn't because star fox is probably better than any game on the 3DO

[02:03:27] and then like you you had a couple good games that have this super fx chip like Yoshi's Island

[02:03:33] like and I'm gonna say this too stunt racers effects think that's what it's called

[02:03:38] that was a good game at the time like people like that game and um there's there's a couple others

[02:03:44] there's not tonne I think doom used this super fx chip which was fine for super Nintendo game but

[02:03:48] overall it's like not that great uh but uh the super fx chip really changed the game for the super

[02:03:55] Nintendo uh literally and figuratively uh in terms of what it could do because you really look at

[02:04:01] going back into Nintendo's history with like the mmc chips and how it was so customizable especially

[02:04:06] for the Famicom in Japan and that kind of carries on the spirit with it and Seigo was never really

[02:04:12] able to capitalize on it so like just the visual feast for the eyes that you're able to get just

[02:04:18] because of that chip which probably made the games cost more than they should especially when you

[02:04:22] look back at jussian for inflation but it was like it was the game that if you had a super Nintendo

[02:04:28] you had to have you had to have starfox because you've never saw you never saw a game that looked

[02:04:34] like that before you can never conceive that you'd be able to play a game like that on your tv and

[02:04:39] here it was and that's that was something that was just magnificent there on the super Nintendo

[02:04:45] and I think it blew all of our minds that end yeah i don't think we ever mentioned the mode seven

[02:04:51] stuff either that was i mean it may be not as impressive as a super effects but that that was still

[02:04:56] really really cool to see on a consoles like when a secret of mana when you summon draggy and you see

[02:05:03] like the whole world we like you're fine around in the sky and you see the world from like a top

[02:05:09] down view kind of thing that that should is just so cool i reckon make you vomit like in kessivania

[02:05:14] 4 yeah you're rotating column fucking room when are you at that that she was or contra 3

[02:05:24] fuck oh the top down segments right yeah uh i know you're talking about i mean it's done well

[02:05:32] in like Yoshi's island and stuff and also i like the squash and stretch and all that stuff

[02:05:38] well also with uh fine with final fantasy six in the in the uh uh airship that's all i always

[02:05:44] thought that was really cool yeah yeah i mean but they learned how to do it right it was fine for a while

[02:05:48] there is just please stop oh man well that's it holy ship that's it for the fourth generation i mean

[02:06:00] that there was the philips cdi in the neo geo but uh maybe yeah we can do part two sometime but the

[02:06:07] cdi in the neo geo i'll fuck it we can still follow up so the neo geo sometimes to be honest there's

[02:06:13] enough on here you have the game boy you have the psych of cd if you count that because it's add

[02:06:18] on to the to the psych of cd 32 axi up also underratedly because because i'm a fan of it the psych of pico

[02:06:27] i kind of adore uh never gets enough love what's all right i was just saying yeah the pia you i think

[02:06:35] you i think we also talked about that toward the end of our Xbox episode the pio it must be one

[02:06:41] of my bingo card topics that i bring up in like every episode that i feel compelled to psych of

[02:06:45] pico blueie kabuki quantum fighter i don't know i'll keep listing them off so people can get there

[02:06:50] to get big a tary links uh why not right game boy say good psych a game gear yeah hell yeah hell yeah

[02:07:02] there's a lot of good shit anyways super graphics the super super bowed quantum balls no super

[02:07:11] graphics is you don't know no man i'm not trying to blink the super graphics is was the failed

[02:07:19] successor to the pc engine oh shit there's a game master it looks like an engine oh it does ew

[02:07:31] there's like there's no it looks what the fuck we could also talk about the fm towns marty

[02:07:38] yet we could the moddy oh my god i think it's good to have a like an arcade perfect conversion of

[02:07:44] super street fighter t turbo that's cool on the town's marty yeah that's so funny that thing also

[02:07:52] like there was a version of the town's marty i think that was like you could it was like built

[02:07:57] into a car the fm towns car marty there we go it's it was a it was installed in in cars and

[02:08:04] included a built-in navigation system with audio and video guidance holy shit so it was uh

[02:08:13] it was GPS hell yeah yeah back in i don't know when that that came out but holy shit that's wild

[02:08:20] i mean the the town's marty came out in 93 so i can't imagine that the car one came out much

[02:08:30] later than that um though it apparently had only sold 45,000 units it also only was released in

[02:08:36] Japan so that does account for the low-sale numbers but still i don't think we have any sharp x68,000

[02:08:43] fans do we find out okay all right Josh go ahead and yeah for the listeners one more time plug your show

[02:08:51] yeah so if you did it in my if you didn't hate my voice throughout this two hour long episode

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[02:09:13] assuming it's relatively soon uh ish uh if and if so i'm in the middle of mario month uh just

[02:09:21] covering a bunch of mario kart games and then after that got some other cool topics like the

[02:09:26] second master system games zillion which is that episode's already recorded and uh we got thoughts

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