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00:00 --> 00:23 I was thinking about this the other day, guys. I'm very excited for this episode, given the subject matter. I don't know. It's gonna be great. It's gonna be a ride. Now, we've made numerous comments that none of us really have an a game. We've made the press b joke too many times. So to me, my seaman today all over.
00:44 --> 00:46 Don't do that over the intro.
00:47 --> 00:49 Look, I can't clean this mess up. Not again.
00:50 --> 00:51 That's what she said.
00:54 --> 01:25 I was so proud when I thought of that line. I, you know, I texted family members about it and oddly enough, two of them had the exact same response. How did you get this number? Anyway, everybody, hello and welcome to press free to cancel. My name is Guy Prime. I am joined with four of, well, no, I guess three other guys of the five member Deus and whoever Sinistar is pointing to off screen. And let's. Let's go around and say hi. So we'll start with you, Sinistar. How you doing?
01:25 --> 01:27 I'm doing well. How are you?
01:27 --> 01:32 I'm all right. Nsik Jake joining us today. How are you, sir?
01:33 --> 01:42 I'm just glad it's Friday. GP. Did you know it was Friday? Sometime after midnight, the day switches over to the one that starts with f and that we record on Fridays.
01:42 --> 01:49 Wild. Absolutely wild. And the Jean Grey to my Madeleine prior. Chardon.
01:50 --> 01:56 Hi. Yeah, no, it's Friday, Jake. It was. It's Friday. It's Friday all day, as they say.
01:57 --> 02:01 I see Madeline prior. Does that make him the goblin queen?
02:02 --> 02:17 No, I would be the Madeline prior, mostly because I have the outfit and charred is the Jean Grey. And I see you both show and love for your favorite soda beverage. We'll say. I don't want to say the name. So we'll just showing off that DP. Well done.
02:17 --> 02:19 Yeah. Oh, yeah.
02:19 --> 02:24 I'm already sick enough. I don't need you guys flashing that swill. It's. It's don't need that right now.
02:25 --> 03:12 Everybody in chat. Thank you for joining us. So typically we are a. And correct me if I'm mistaken here, we are a retro video game podcast consortium, and we're switching it up today. We've been wanting to do this one for about a month, but we're just now getting to it due to scheduling conflicts. And we are discussing X Men 97, which, for anybody who doesn't know, is the continuation of the X Men animated series from the early to mid nineties, which I think ran from 92 or 93 up until 96 97. There's a lot to get to. So we're just going to jump into it. Actually, no, before we jump into it, talking about the episodes, I want to go around and ask everybody who was your favorite X Men growing up. I'll go last chard. Monk courage.
03:14 --> 03:32 I'm a big fan of gambit for a long time. He's a fan favorite in this house. Um, and Nightcrawler is a close run up. But Archangel, Archangel is, uh, probably have. I have a funko of Archangel.
03:32 --> 03:39 Those are. Yeah. What a cool storyline for Archangel. So I guess we're not doing our favorite. We're going to do, like the top three or four and.
03:39 --> 03:43 No, I'm just gonna. Yeah, that's. I though those are my favorite altogether.
03:43 --> 03:45 It is so hard to pick.
03:47 --> 03:47 The.
03:47 --> 03:52 Goal team and then sick Jake. How about you? Who are your favorites growing up, or who is your favorite now?
03:52 --> 03:57 It's easy to pick just one. You just, you just got to focus and be determined and just pick the one.
03:57 --> 04:01 So name your five. So go ahead and name your five.
04:02 --> 04:15 I am the dictator. Apparently that hasn't been thrown around a while. No, Bishop. Bishop is actually my favorite. He didn't get a whole lot of screen time in the cartoon, but the episodes he was in with the age of apocalypse stuff was some of my favorite. Favorite X Men stuff.
04:16 --> 04:19 Was it Warren Worthington? Was that his name?
04:20 --> 04:21 Yes.
04:21 --> 04:22 Warren angel.
04:23 --> 04:25 Double the double dubs.
04:25 --> 04:29 Okay, so bishop for sick Jake and then sinister. How about you?
04:29 --> 04:49 So I am going to take a pointer from charred. So my number one is Nightcrawler. It's always been Nightcrawler. But. But. And I don't know, does this count as an X Men or is it in the universe? And it's. Okay, then. My next two are in the universe. Juggernaut. I have always loved juggernaut.
04:50 --> 04:50 Okay.
04:51 --> 04:53 And, and of course, Deadpool.
04:54 --> 05:03 Uh, yeah, we'll say. You know, I know he's not a mutant. He's what we call a mutate, I believe I know is the word.
05:03 --> 05:05 Well, it depends on which story you follow.
05:05 --> 05:07 Isn't he the same as Wolverine?
05:07 --> 05:09 These extra Wolverine powers?
05:09 --> 05:28 Yeah, you know, depending on the comic. There, there was a, there was a comic where Deadpool had his head taken off and regrew a body and regrew a head, and there was two Deadpool. So, I mean, I think. I think. I don't know that Wolverine can do that.
05:28 --> 06:10 I don't know. I don't know we've ever tried, but, yeah, this is a conversation about X Men. There's no room for comic book lore here today. So I will say this. I find it interesting that you two had said Nightcrawler. I'm going to say it this way. Playing the arcade game, my favorite character was Colossus. Just a really cool character, really stand up guy. I don't really care for the way they portrayed him in the Deadpool movies. I mean, he was the foil, which is funny because he's metal, but in the. In the arcade game, I liked him. If I could have anybody's superpower, I've always chosen Nightcrawler. Like, to be able to teleport. Insanely cool. You can accomplish whatever you need.
06:10 --> 06:19 I don't know if I had. If I. If we're going to talk, what's your superpower of choice? I'm going. Xavier, come on.
06:19 --> 06:22 No, because he's got the whole, like, ethical side.
06:22 --> 06:26 No, I didn't say his ethics. I said a superpower.
06:26 --> 06:28 His superpower is his ethics.
06:28 --> 06:31 I don't like having tinnitus on a grand scale.
06:31 --> 06:36 Yeah. I don't like when people talk normally. Why would I want to hear what they're saying?
06:36 --> 06:41 My head really, about the mind control, my friends. It's about the mind control.
06:41 --> 06:58 It's less about the third part, like the looking in, and more about the just knowing. I have to say storm, though, if I'm being 100% honest, I think Storm is one of, if not the just coolest characters. They kind of did her dirty in this X Men 97 series. We'll talk about that as we get to it.
06:58 --> 07:11 But what about rogue after she has absorbed Miss Marvel, Captain Marvel's powers? I mean, at that point, is she not the most powerful?
07:11 --> 07:14 Okay, we know if we're talking about most powerful, clearly it's morph.
07:15 --> 07:16 Oh, that's fair.
07:16 --> 07:20 Morph can do anything. Also, the name of my sex tape.
07:20 --> 07:33 Nice. Morph can do them all. No. And they kind of used him improperly in the series. We'll get to it. There's a lot to get to. So did you guys grow up watching the X Men animated series from the nineties? I certainly did.
07:33 --> 07:34 Oh, yeah, for sure. Absolutely.
07:35 --> 08:02 Yeah. One of the things that stands out is the number of multi part, multi episode arcs that they do. I believe one of them, maybe a Stark Phoenix, was like a five parter. Days of Future past had a solid three or four, and they did that with this new season. For better or for worse, I think they pulled it off. But this was such a groundbreaking show between this and ninja Turtles and Spider man, the animated Spider man from the nineties. We were eating good as kids.
08:03 --> 08:03 Big fan.
08:03 --> 08:04 Yes.
08:04 --> 08:18 So X Men 97 picks up the day after the original series ends. We're led to believe that Charles Xavier has died, even though the way the show ended in the nineties leaves earth with his girlfriend.
08:18 --> 08:21 Spoiler cast, folks. Spoiler cast.
08:21 --> 08:22 I'll add it to the subject afterwards.
08:22 --> 08:26 But yeah, yeah, we're not, we're not holding back. We're just going to go full in.
08:26 --> 08:27 Yeah, yeah.
08:27 --> 08:37 Like, nobody's going to convince you to watch X Men 97 if you haven't decided to already. We hope you have, because we're going to talk all over it because we've been waiting for a month to talk about everything about this show.
08:38 --> 09:12 Maybe next season we should do an episode per, like whenever they come out, we should be a little bit more immediately reactive. But anyway, that's so hard with everybody schedules. But anyway, yeah, we're going hard with this. We're not trying to recruit new fans or convert anybody to X Mendom. But here we are talking about. So episode one called to me my X Men, which was brilliantly written for a number of reasons, but the title comes back multiple times. I will talk last on this one. What do you all think? Let's start with you, Chardonnk.
09:13 --> 10:44 Well, seeing as the show hasn't been on since 97, hence the title, it took me a few minutes to kind of get the, oh, we're like literally diving into this. This isn't like a rehashing it with bed with different animation. It's the start from the beginning. We are. We are literally jumping right back into it where we left off. So it took me a minute to, like, wrap my brain around Xavier was missing and this, that he was presumed dead and all this shit. And I had to kind of go back a little bit and do a little wikilink. And then when I read it, I was like, that's right, he had the virus. He went up with the space aliens because they said that they could cure him. Maybe. We don't know. And I, and I remember then I was like how I pulled from my old useless brain that holds information that's not valid or useful and found all of that. That Rolodex was full and rife with information, unlike my tax information, how much I owe my mortgage or any other emergency contact numbers. But I can tell you all about the other stuff in X Men 90 seven's beginning. So I thought that was really cool, that they just, they didn't stop it, just that the show literally kept on going. And it was so, so I want to say accurate. Accurate is probably not a good word, but it was so accurate that I recalled way back when, how it ended and how we got to where we are today. So it was kind of crazy to kind of, you know, connect the dots with that.
10:45 --> 11:00 Yeah. Yeah. The show kind of assumes you've done the homework and that you're a returning fan or, you know, they've teleprompted what they're doing so far in advance. If you didn't know anything about the history of it, they certainly gave you the chance to go back and rewatch it or watch it for the first time.
11:00 --> 12:06 So I kind of want to go next, if I can jump in, because. Absolutely. You just kind of segued it into seguated segue. You've segued into. Into actually my take on it because I did not grow up watching the comics or the animated series. I had not actually watched any of it. So I jumped in blind. And so it was actually a little jarring to me, you know, because my experience with X Men was some comics as a child, my younger brother had, you know, all of the trading cards, etc. So I knew, you know, powers and all of that stuff. And then, of course, the movies. And so, you know, of course, Xavier's dead, right? I come in and Xavier's dead, right? And then all of a sudden, you know, Xavier has basically left the X Men to Magneto. And I'm like, what the fuck, bro?
12:07 --> 12:07 Oh, no.
12:07 --> 12:26 But if you know their relationship and they're like, well, they won't. They. I don't know. However you want to say it, it was a very, I would say, accurate move, one that, of course, everybody knew would not end well. But I don't know. There's so many things I want to say. I'm going to hold on to it for a second.
12:26 --> 13:12 Sure. So for me, it. Honestly, the first episode, I struggled a little bit with, since we're on a spoiler cast, by the end of this season, I was full in and loving the shit out of it. But that first episode, I was like, I was struggling a little bit with the caricature actor acting because, you know, it's a comic, it's a cartoon, right? And so I was like, and this is a little over the top. This is a little campy. But then, of course, I was like, no, I need to embrace the camp because, like, that's part of the. That's part of the joy there. And so once I kind of got there, it really picked up.
13:12 --> 14:25 So I imagine this, imagine you are somebody who grew up loving reading Doctor Seuss books, and then you want to kind of start making your own Doctor Seuss inspired series. So you start writing like him. That's going to come off as an effort, a concerted, decided effort to mimic a different style. But it can't be the exact, because you are not Doctor Seuss. I kind of think that's how they did it this way. This show is written by people who grew up loving the show. And it's not X Men from the nineties nowadays. It's still 1997 there. And, you know, we just got done, you said watching, I think, some of the episodes from the original series, that's just how they wrote it. That's how they did it. Jubilee was a very specific character for that period of time. So to bring her back and just to assume they never left, we're still right there in 1997. You're right, it comes off that way. But I think if you go in with that kind of lens over the viewing experience, it becomes easier to swallow as opposed to it's so over the top, it's taking me out of the show. So that's how you're wrong. Jake, let's. I'm kidding. I love you so much. Sinister. Jake, what do you got for us? What do you think?
14:25 --> 15:27 For me, what I found interesting was I love the original cartoon. I was definitely one of those Fox kids. I used to watch every Saturday morning, all of those shows. But the thing I remember about X Men is, as much as I love the most of that series, the last season, I think they changed animation studios, but there's a massive drop in quality of the animation in the last season. Yeah, the whole arc with the phalanx, I mean, while the plot was. Could have been interesting, I felt like there was budget problems. So I didn't really like the last season of X Men. So when this one just kind of took off from that, I kind of forgot that season existed. So I also had to go to Wikipedia and kind of refresh my memory on, on the show. I do love the show, but that last season was not, was not a good way to end it. But I'm glad that while I appreciate it's jarring once it starts going, as long as you're familiar with X Men, the characters, I never really read the comics as a kid. I only have exposure like Sinister to the movies and then also the tv show and of course the games. So I still felt like it's pretty good. I'll tell you, though, when you realize it's full on nineties, still is when they change Magneto's costume. Because, man, is that ever.
15:27 --> 15:33 No, no. We will get three reasons. I will be that Magneto for Halloween.
15:33 --> 15:36 When. When does Peter Dinklage show up?
15:36 --> 16:52 Right? So, a real quick aside, I feel like the episode one was a complete flex, because, yes, Jake, you are remembering correctly. The final season of X Men. I think originally they canceled it, and they said, well, if we can make it for this budget, and I might be wrong on this, but I think that's the story, if we can make it come in at this budget, can we do our final thing? And they said, sure. They hired or subcontracted out a separate, much cheaper animation division. And the dip in quality was obvious even as a kid. But for anybody who doesn't know, right before Xavier gets sick and leaves earth, the whole thing is, Magneto is about to start his final push to, like, wage war on the humans and end the whole thing. So you really think that's what's going to happen? And then Xavier's like, I'm leaving, guys. Bye. Tell him I died. And so that's. That's where we enter the series. If you're thinking about Magneto, who I really do maintain is the primary character of the series of X Men 97, that's where he was. He was just about to take over the world. And he put that on pause because his love for Charles Xavier and his respect for him. So that's the only thing that could stop him from killing all the humans is Charles.
16:54 --> 16:55 Tell all my friends are dead.
16:55 --> 16:56 Oh, fuck.
16:56 --> 16:57 All right. I ain't gonna kill the humans now.
16:57 --> 16:58 I'm cool.
16:58 --> 17:31 Yeah. Yeah. My friends. Just the one guy. So that's where we start off. And then. Yeah, I think the animation style for 97, like I said, it's a flex. It's showing off what they can do. How consistent can we make the size and the scope of things. Like, if you go back and watch the original one, the animation in the nineties, it was rough. It's hard to go back and watch that unless you're just a die hard. Are the Sentinels taller than a building? Smaller than a building? Can they shape shift? No, they're just not drawn consistently.
17:31 --> 17:37 Is it, like. Is it like the original Transformers series where, like, they change color all the time?
17:37 --> 17:37 Yeah.
17:37 --> 17:39 Use your next words very carefully.
17:40 --> 17:40 Look.
17:41 --> 17:54 No, no. That might be my favorite childhood, 100%. Seriously. But. But that first season, like, they couldn't figure out what color each. Each character was.
17:55 --> 18:06 You know, I work in manufacturing. We build a lot of things of different sizes. So I'm totally fine with, with the sentinels being various shapes and sizes throughout their lifetime.
18:06 --> 18:07 Sure, sure. Why not?
18:09 --> 18:11 Summer five? I mean, who would be the judge? The size of somebody?
18:12 --> 18:13 My immersion.
18:13 --> 18:15 So, okay, let's do a couple more bold.
18:15 --> 18:17 Here we have the child sized sentinel.
18:17 --> 18:18 He's cute.
18:19 --> 18:19 Yeah.
18:19 --> 18:25 Can I just say GP about the animation quality, though? I'll agree with you that next to 90 Seven's animation quality is pretty good.
18:25 --> 18:26 It's gorgeous.
18:26 --> 19:05 But something felt a little bit off when I compared it to the original. And I went back and looked at the original and there is a differences in some of the character designs. Jubilee looks a bit different. Not saying it's bad, it's probably for the better. But there's some definitely animation, like, character design choices are different and the shading is a little bit different. One of the things I liked about the original show is they really went with the blue as a shadow color. Kind of like the comics. They did a lot more of that in the original animation style than they do in the new one. It's not. It's not bad, but it's definitely more different than I expected. But then for something like that, on the other hand, you have the recreated intro, which they fucking nailed, right? Widescreen recreation from frame by frame of the intro from the original. So good.
19:05 --> 19:17 The one show I will never skip the. The opening for. And they switched up every episode. There's either a new roster or they made subtle changes to the background characters. You know, after that, so much detail, so much song.
19:17 --> 19:19 That song slaps.
19:19 --> 19:21 It fucking sucks. Do you know who wrote that?
19:22 --> 19:23 Your mom?
19:23 --> 19:23 No.
19:23 --> 19:25 Oh, shit. You got me good.
19:26 --> 19:26 I know.
19:26 --> 19:30 Is the dude who wrote the theme song for the Power Rangers. For the North American Power Rangers.
19:30 --> 19:31 Is there really?
19:31 --> 20:05 Give me. I can't remember his name. It's not Rob Liefeld, but nerds. Okay, so yes, favorite points. I'll go first on this one when they go and take down Master mold, which, by the way, the Venn diagram, overlapping of them, just picking up things from the original nineties. Run to go and fight Master mold. One of the big bads and just demolish shit. I talked about Storm earlier. Her whole tornado of sand hitting it with lightning into glass shards. So fucking op. Cyclops landing using his optical.
20:05 --> 20:05 Optic.
20:05 --> 20:22 And then, you know, they showed us that to me, my X Men line. They showed us that in the preview. So then when you hear the title of the first episode is that you think it's in reference to that, but it's not big reveal at the end. So fucking dope. What'd you guys like about the first one as far as, like, action sequences?
20:23 --> 20:46 Let me. Let me start off with, like, I really appreciate how they like the guy I wrote this. Bo Demyle is one of the main writers of this show, and he has a real respect for the characters powers. And, like, it would have been so easy for there to be an X Men cartoon in 2024 that treated a cyclops as blasts, as freaking energy beams. Because that's the most common misconception, is that they're energy blasts.
20:46 --> 20:47 They're not.
20:47 --> 20:54 They're from the punch dimension. They're physically kinetic blasts. They're actually physically force thing. But only nerds like us would fucking know that.
20:54 --> 20:57 Eyes are portals to a whole other universe.
20:57 --> 21:26 Yeah, that's the punch dimension. But so when those actively blasts get the punchline, but when he uses that to, like, cushion the fall, how epic and how cool is that? And same with storm, right? Like, you explained every sequence with storm and her powers. I think even compared to the original show, they made her, and they literally call her this, a goddess in this show. She is one of the most powerful mutants in the entire canon, and they definitely did a good job showing all that stuff with her scenes. It's just really a great respect for the powers of the characters.
21:27 --> 21:37 I have to point out that, you know, with. With his eyes being essentially portals into another dimension. Opportunity missed from aliens. Look into my eye.
21:39 --> 21:41 Okay, sure.
21:41 --> 21:44 The eyes are the windows to punch land.
21:45 --> 21:46 That's right.
21:46 --> 21:47 He's a perfect.
21:47 --> 21:52 Also. Also, punchland sounds like an absolutely awful amusement park.
21:52 --> 21:55 Sounds like the best amusement park. What are you talking about?
21:57 --> 22:02 Punchland or Disney World or Sealant seaworld? Seaworld or Punchline world? The worst.
22:03 --> 22:14 Yeah, I'm sorry, but Wolverine piggybacking on or. No, no, sorry, other way. Remy LeBeau jumping on Wolverine and supercharging his cloth like, come on, that's some.
22:14 --> 22:17 Is that what that was?
22:17 --> 22:24 Yeah. He can run behind power. No, he's just kinetic power and charged up his shit and fucking blasted this.
22:24 --> 22:25 Oh, cool.
22:25 --> 22:25 Yeah.
22:25 --> 22:50 And yeah, I do want to touch on this. We won't go much into it. Bo to myo. The showrunner for the first season, I guess, developed season two and potentially parts of season three before being let go. I don't really want to get into the speculations as to why. I don't think that's really anything that needs to happen on this channel, but whatever it was, mad respect for how the first season went. I have no other comment than that, but it was so good.
22:51 --> 23:30 Yeah, I'll agree with your take. GP. Like, we don't know. He hasn't commented on it. Disney has not commented on it. I mean, all we, all there is is speculation. But until one of the two decides to comment on it, what can we do? So all, we just know that he did fantastic job. Whether he's a decent person in real life, who the hell, or whatever the reason. Yeah, yeah, we don't know. So. But I think I do say it's gonna be a shame, though. I really hope I'm crossing fingers that season two and season three are as good as the first season because this, the show was so much more better than I ever thought it would be and more than I think X Men, probably the cartoon needed to be in this decade. It's a weird thing for this to be rebooted out of all things from Disney.
23:31 --> 23:39 I hope it opens the doors to, if they wanted to bring back Spider man from the nineties, start that up again, other things like that.
23:40 --> 23:49 They introduced those characters in later episodes. You had Captain America, you had Peter Parker. They were in there as almost kind of like, maybe if this goes well.
23:49 --> 24:16 We'Ll just kind of see these guys in there. I was going to say I like that it's, it, you know, kind of now that, now that Fox and, and Marvel Studios are like, talking again or, well, part of the same thing under, underneath Disney. Yeah, I really kind of like that it. I really felt like Deadpool was going to be the true bridge between all of them, like the new Deadpool movie, but the cartoon was like, no, hold on, hold my beer. Yeah, we're going to bring it all together.
24:17 --> 24:18 We're already here. We're already talking.
24:18 --> 24:36 How much does that say they really believe in the Deadpool and Wolverine movie? If they allowed X Men 97 to come out before then, because that being the most recent kind of MCU adjacent thing that we have that, I mean. Yeah. And I still think Deadpool and Wolverine is probably going to knock our, our pants off.
24:37 --> 24:37 Yeah.
24:37 --> 24:38 In a new way.
24:38 --> 24:38 But here's over.
24:38 --> 24:44 Say, we have to follow up this with that. That's a tall order. I think they can deliver on it. So I'm hopeful.
24:44 --> 25:02 Yeah, I didn't have much high hopes for this. I mean, I secretly wanted to be good. I love the original. And, like, I really liked Marvel's what if animation. I thought that was pretty decent, at least the first season. So I was kind of hoping it would be good. But it turned out so much better than what if. It's so much better than a lot of the other Marvel tv shows, honestly.
25:02 --> 25:03 So, yeah.
25:03 --> 25:10 Like, I'll watch this one again and again. I probably can't say the same for Winter Soldier and Falcon, for example.
25:10 --> 25:16 Yeah. Okay. Yeah. What are we missing from the first episode? Let me hear from you, charge.
25:17 --> 25:57 I'll be honest. I'm going to. I'm going to take a different approach than you guys did because the fight scene was cool and jumping in with the. The mega mold and all that stuff is cool, but I actually mp Jake after, like, one or two episodes, and I was kind of like, man, I. I don't know. I. It's not grabbing me. I'm going to keep watching. It's just. It's whatever. It's. It's. It's a lot. And I kind of feel for sinistar because it just throws you back into the shit. Like, it's. There's no last time, you know, there's nothing. You don't know what's going on. So if you come in blind and you're just like, oh, I like X Men.
25:57 --> 25:57 Let's.
25:57 --> 26:53 Let's watch the 97 version. With no idea of what happened in the past, you don't know what's going on. So it takes a little bit for the. To, like, connect. But when. When the show gets going, I want to say, like, three episodes in fucking hooked after that, then I was like, okay, I want a piece of this. Like, I want to keep going, getting better and better. Thank you for climbing and climbing. Yeah, never. There was. Was one episode later that I was like, does this need to be here? But we'll cover that a minute. But everything else that was, you know, related to the Sentinels and. And the big bad and. And Mister Sinister being there and all this other stuff was just really, really hooked me in. But if you don't know who you know Jean Grey's twin is, you didn't know about that stuff from before. You're like, goblin queen, who, like, it's just. It's just chaos.
26:53 --> 27:13 She had to be sitting on these alternate identities somewhere, because you don't just find out you're a clone, but you don't know at what point that started or you're the real person, but still, we don't know when. And then just say, you know what? I'm Madeline Pryor, aka the goblin queen. Here's my outfit. Like, somewhere in the back of her brain grapes, she was growing this shit because that's way too specific.
27:13 --> 27:15 Yeah. Just to close up the goblin queen.
27:16 --> 27:20 I'm to put this on. I'm gonna get my black leathers out. Let's go.
27:20 --> 27:25 Which, by the way, yeah, yeah.
27:25 --> 27:32 So starting next week, guys, I want you guys to start calling me the Raptor emperor. That's my new name. Don't judge. I'm gonna wear a hat.
27:32 --> 27:34 I want to see your costume. Then we'll judge creature.
27:35 --> 27:37 And then, like, nobility title. There you go.
27:37 --> 27:38 Right, right.
27:40 --> 28:03 Um, were you guys kind of thrown off? Sorry, sister. We. In the first episode, when you first see Morph, my first reaction was, who the fuck is that guy? I didn't know who that was because he's. They changed. I mean, I'm fine with the changes, but I didn't. And I guess in the gap between Xavier, you know, going off to space, Morph came to the terms of what he actually looks like. But I'm so used to his haggard, black eyed face from the first, the original show.
28:03 --> 28:22 Yeah, no, I like that they did that. I mean, it speaks a lot to the representation of, you know, minority communities. I don't know the proper way of saying that. I like the way they handle morph. I wish they would have given more. More to do, ultimately, than just being kind of a cameo factory. Yeah.
28:23 --> 28:25 Just kind of background noise. A little bit like.
28:25 --> 29:00 He also speaks to something Magneto had said in the movies, to mystique. Let me see the real you and then the real you and you. Or Charles, I believe in Mystique, had a conversation where he says, well, you can look like them or whatever. And she says, but I shouldn't have to. And I kind of apply that to what Morse going through, because if that's Morse, you know, self, absolutely throw that in there. Be. Be that. And I like that we're in at least a little bit better of a place nowadays than we were back then to address that sort of issue and have that representation. But I. Yeah, they really.
29:03 --> 29:28 In the eighties, the comics were always about pushing things like, you know, it was basically an allegory for racism. Right. And homophobia in the eighties. And this is how they got it out in comics. And you had some of that in the nineties, were still kind of taboo to talk about some of the stuff, even in the nineties. But now we've at least made some steps towards, you know, being better with these things, and then they kind of go further with it in the show. Like, they basically more than once kind of allude to Morph and Wolverine having a kind of like a side thing.
29:28 --> 29:35 Oh, yeah. Morph's orientation seems very fluid, which I think is great.
29:35 --> 29:41 And you never would have had that in the nineties. There's no way. It's great to see that they've moved that. That needle forward. Right.
29:41 --> 30:12 And again, as somebody who's. Who's not from the community, all I can say is I feel the way they handled morphs, pronouns, and referred to them as they them and all of that. I think that is a wonderful illustration for people who are kind of not as familiar with the movement and the culture as it's happening and developing. I think that was a wonderful way to introduce people to that, just considering how completely op morph is, why they do. But that said, every time they brought in the Hulk or somebody, I was.
30:12 --> 30:14 Like, oh, that's great, Cannon.
30:14 --> 30:26 Like, that's his power. Because he turns into the juggernaut at one point. And the juggernaut, that powers were not necessarily physical. I mean, they are, but it was more that he's magical. And this strength is because he's magical. Like, is that.
30:26 --> 30:29 But even more power of whatever person he's taking on.
30:29 --> 30:45 Yeah, I went, regardless of where it comes from, I. I had to go look up in the, you know, the X Men wiki morphs powers, because I'm like, this seems op. And, no, according to canon, it's op.
30:47 --> 30:48 Wonderful.
30:48 --> 30:56 I think that's if he takes Cyclops power, he can't do the blast, but if it's a physical base power, he can do that. Right? Is that the idea?
30:57 --> 31:08 Okay, so morph became the Hulk and was able to smash like the Hulk. But if you were to make morph bleed as the Hulk, I don't think he gamma irradiates.
31:08 --> 31:09 Right.
31:09 --> 31:11 Morse blood. I don't think that's what they do.
31:11 --> 31:13 So it's more of a power thing than, like.
31:13 --> 31:15 It's like, all the physical properties.
31:15 --> 31:16 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
31:16 --> 33:14 But what a. What a cool. I don't even want to say power set because it's not cool. It's fucking op. You guys are exactly right. But, um, what else? What else? Oh, so real quick, just to kind of wrap up, the first episode is for 32 minutes into the episode, it ends with Magneto showing up saying, charles left everything to me, the school. And then the final line spoken by Magneto, is, he left it all to me, my X Men. Kind of turning that Cyclops line in the title of the episode on its ear to transition or segue it center star into the second episode. One thing I appreciate, because I love Wolverine as a character. Love Hugh Jackman, loves the comics and all of that. I am so happy that we are starting to kind of get away from Wolverine as the main character, and they do it well. I would be okay if they had Wolverine around more, but I'm happy that WOlverine is not the main focus on all this. My kind of Gripe here is, in the movies, if it's not about WOlverine, it's about Magneto. And this show is very much about Magneto. However, they wrote Magneto so perfectly, they explain his motivations. He's an empathetic antagonist. The writing for his lines, just everything was ten out of ten. And that's where episode two kind of takes us. The Climax, of course, being the UN summit rips out part of the building, takes them all up. Recreating Asteroid M and his final lines of don't let me let you down or don't make me let you down. And the layers to that. The dichotomy of it is so poetic and brilliant, and it shows the mind of Magneto as this very poetic, loving, but just incredibly fuckable character. I mean, freudian slip. So what do you guys think about this episode?
33:15 --> 33:53 Because he's got that drive, right? Like, Magneto's got that drive of having lived through Holocaust. He's a Holocaust survivor. And never again, right? Never again. He's tried it. Xavier's way obviously didn't work. Even in episode two, there's issues. But ultimately, he's like, I'll get another shot. But to hold that threat, the council's brought up into freaking orbit, and he's like, don't let me let. Don't let me let you down. One, I'll drop you, but also I'll destroy the freaking globe in humanity with it. Like you. Just the power he has. Again, that respect for the character's power. I think there's not one X Men. I think that isn't like an uberly op character with powers that they're. They're just nuts.
33:53 --> 33:59 But isn't that the idea that they're walking around mass weapons of destruction and that's why everybody's afraid of them or whatever?
34:00 --> 34:07 I mean, let's. Let's be honest. Probably the weakest in the. In the whole crew is Wolverine.
34:08 --> 34:12 Yeah. I mean, they just outlived them all. That's the only thing.
34:12 --> 34:12 Yeah.
34:13 --> 34:44 Here's the thing, though. I mean, they, they. This is where they did storm dirty. I kind of alluded to that. She gets shot with a gun that saps her mutant ability takes that away. She was probably the only one who could have stood up to Magneto at this point, but therein lies the idea, I think, of the season, which is Xavier was kind of the only one keeping the X Men on the good side of this argument, because right away, he's gone. And we see Cyclops start saying, like, please. You know, Magneto's kind of a. He's got some truths. He doesn't speak the bullshit as much as we thought.
34:45 --> 34:50 Well. And rogue basically just immediately goes over to Magneto's side. Right. I mean.
34:50 --> 34:55 Yeah. Well, yeah. There's a history. Yeah.
34:55 --> 35:02 Okay. Yeah, because. Yeah. Episode two, they allude that they had a relationship, which I did. I didn't realize that was a thing before.
35:03 --> 35:06 She's the only one that she's ever been able to physically touch.
35:06 --> 35:07 Yeah.
35:07 --> 35:09 Right. So that's, you know.
35:09 --> 35:09 Yeah.
35:12 --> 35:14 You know, options are limited.
35:15 --> 35:17 That's very true. That's very true.
35:17 --> 35:20 He's a good, lucky dude. It could be like, the blob, you know? Could be worse.
35:20 --> 35:21 So.
35:21 --> 35:23 Yeah. Wow.
35:23 --> 35:24 What's wrong with the blood?
35:24 --> 35:25 What's that body shape?
35:25 --> 35:25 Here?
35:25 --> 35:26 Yeah, man. Come on.
35:26 --> 35:29 What's the guy with the transparent skin and you see his bones?
35:29 --> 35:30 Yeah, right.
35:30 --> 35:32 Good with that guy. Yeah. You never know.
35:32 --> 35:34 No one could touch the blob.
35:38 --> 35:53 So Magneto really does give it his best to think about things and handle things the way Charles would, which I think is incredibly respectful of, again, their relationship. Charles and Magneto, or Magnus. I guess we're sticking with that.
35:55 --> 35:57 No, that was a new. That was a new twist.
35:58 --> 36:21 But again, drop of the hat. It really is not a case of Magneto is making the humans bad guys. This is just kind of the nature of the humans in that universe of phobias. And it's such an interesting social mirror to look at. And then to see some of our favorite heroes start to be like, well, you know what? Maybe it's a scary thought.
36:22 --> 36:23 Sociological.
36:24 --> 36:26 Sociological.
36:26 --> 36:59 Thank you. I was crawling. It's just a really cool, like, psychological, sociological, you know, discussion that that is not just in. I mean, we're not just watching this because it's comic book characters that we love and we grew up watching. There's some, like, realness to it. Right. And we're. And you're connecting to it on a level that's, you know, cool. His eyes are dwar mentioned to punch land. That's cool. But why is everybody mad at him? Because he has eyes that are the window to punch land. Like, why?
36:59 --> 37:00 Deadly weapons.
37:00 --> 37:01 Yeah.
37:01 --> 37:01 Yeah.
37:01 --> 37:12 You know, and it's kind of neat to see the human psyche, you know, thrown together in an extremely, you know, extreme way, but maybe not so extreme. You know, it's a cool thing.
37:13 --> 37:56 Well, it's, it's the opposite of like, reductio ad absurdism where you make a point by saying something ridiculously. It's like a hyperbolic sort of thing. I mean, later on, Cyclops is doing this interview with this horrible character who's obviously just goading these mutants at every point. But his whole thing was like, I shouldn't have to explain to you or make a case for my, my personhood. Like, I shouldn't have to explain to you that I'm human. Yeah, I shouldn't have to make that case. And I think that was so well stated and well illustrated throughout the main arc because this show really is very adult. You could watch it as a kid and be like, cool. And that's something the nineties kind of lacked was there's not that social commentary to the point that our adolescent minds could pick up on.
37:56 --> 38:13 I want to hear, I want to argue that I feel like this show wasn't designed for, for kids or teenagers of this era. It was for us. It was people that used to watch it going into now in our adulthood.
38:13 --> 38:13 Millennials. Yeah.
38:13 --> 38:19 A little more serious and bolder because we're serious and, well, we're not serious.
38:19 --> 38:25 But, and I want to argue this. This show wasn't made for kids at all. I want to argue that first off.
38:25 --> 38:26 Now you tell me.
38:26 --> 38:35 I know we're, I kind of want to advance this ahead because we're, you know, 40. We're going to be talking for 2 hours here, so maybe we'll make it.
38:35 --> 38:37 A two part in keeping with X Men tradition.
38:37 --> 39:24 We could. But really quick, I want to highlight. So, so Sinstris is not a fan of cartoons, anime, that sort of stuff. And I'm, I'm hit or miss. Like, I love my cartoons from my childhood, but I started watching this and I was like, I don't know if she'd like this. Unbeknownst to me, she was an x Men cartoon watcher when she grew up. So unbeknownst to me. But anyway, I said to her, okay, I got to, I got to the episode that's basically a horror episode, right? The one we're like, they're all in their own, they're all in their own mind, right? And it's, and it's horrifying. Like, I'm watching this. I'm like, this is, this is fucking horror. This is a horror show. And I'm like, okay, sinsters just watch this part. And she's like, okay, I'm in, I'm in.
39:24 --> 39:29 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, where, you know, real to reel her in with. Yeah, yeah. Give her the scary stuff.
39:30 --> 40:11 Yeah. I started to watch this with my kids. First episode was fine. Second episode when I got to the, where Cyclops is, you know, in the delivery room with his wife and they're trying to get a doctor to deliver the baby. And they're like, though I don't, I don't deliver mutant babies or whatever. My kid asks, why won't they deliver the mutant baby? And it kind of brought up, okay, this is, this is what, this is what they're talking about. Referring to what would have been racism before. Explain that to my kids. And like, which is a good talk to have with your kids. I mean, I'd say that for them, they're more colorblind than past generations, which is nice to see. But then the third episode with the freaking horror elements, I'm like, all right. Got turned off. It's too scary for me. Definitely too scary for the kids. I had to turn it off.
40:11 --> 40:16 I thought it was great. That was where, that was where I got hooked, that horror episode.
40:16 --> 40:16 Okay.
40:17 --> 40:27 I was like, I mean, I think I'm the same way. As soon as Mister Sinister showed up and they started doing the twisted goblin queen shit, I was like, all right.
40:27 --> 41:02 I'm, I paused that episode so many times. I will say this. One thing that I really appreciate about the first 60% of this series is they did not tell you and you could not figure out exactly who the big bad was. So like, okay, it's going to be a magneto story. Magneto's the bad guy. Oh, the humans are going to be the bad guy. Which of course, they, they said that Xavier died at the hands of guyric. Right? So they're doing that whole thing. Oh, sinister. Sinister. Sorry, mister Sinister is coming in. Sinister is the bad guy. Oh, wait, no, there's allusions to this and this and this.
41:02 --> 41:04 He's upon. He's a pun.
41:04 --> 41:11 Yeah, they keep you guessing. Yeah. So I really like that. Oh, maybe Madeline Pryor. Who knows how it's gonna, how it's gonna shake down.
41:11 --> 41:16 I was expecting the dark Phoenix to just pop up too. Just like, we're just gonna throw them all at you. It's great.
41:16 --> 41:17 Yeah.
41:17 --> 41:57 So this is, I, we're far enough in now with talking about episode two, episode three. They started really showing their hand about how many different amazing long story arcs from the comics. They were condensing down. Not even a full episode, half an episode. The. The Madeline prior thing, the whole clone of Jean Grey, that. That could have taken up several episodes if you wanted to focus on that more. You know, the. The depowered adventures of Storm and Forge could have been so much more. And so there's. There's a number of story arcs that they're like, in case we don't get renewed, we want you guys to know this exists. Like, man, they could have made some of those.
41:57 --> 42:13 There was a lot of. A lot of X Factor characters that they had just kind of smattered around there, you know? And it was. It was really neat to, like, bring out the other teams, the other characters from the other teams that were out there, even if it was for a second. Like an Avengers.
42:13 --> 42:16 We've got Avengers too, right?
42:16 --> 42:31 Yeah, but I mean, you get the cameo of Captain America. It's the MCU. It's not like, a big surprise, but they have, like, forge. And I think the big guy's name is, like, nat or something like that. To have him poking around back there in the background, like, X. Four X Factor characters.
42:31 --> 42:32 Yeah.
42:32 --> 42:34 You were like, oh, there's another team there. Yeah.
42:34 --> 42:55 A lot of it was the where's Waldo? Kind of cameo member berries, which is great to see, even if it's not always morph, of course, doing juggernaut or Hulk or whomever, to know those characters are out there in the world because they did that with Spider Man a couple times. I think in the original nineties, they had Spiderman.
42:55 --> 42:57 It was X Men cameo and Spider man. Yeah.
42:57 --> 43:00 Crossover a few times. So. Yes.
43:00 --> 43:14 How do you guys feel about episode four, though? Because they brought in Mojo for episode four. And, I mean, I don't disliked the character, but episode four kind of felt out of place. Like, episode three and four is almost enough where I almost fell off the show. I came back in five.
43:14 --> 43:18 No, no, three. Three hooked me hook, line and sinker.
43:18 --> 43:19 Yeah, four.
43:19 --> 43:25 Yeah, I'm with you. Four was like, okay, we went from this amazing fucking haunted house episode to.
43:26 --> 43:28 A one off to a video game.
43:30 --> 43:35 Right. The motel year. But, yeah, five. When we get to five. Oh, yeah, brought right back in.
43:35 --> 44:09 Before we get to five, I'll say this, my takeaway from the Motendo episode, because really, that was only the first half of that one episode. It was so cool to see, like, a future version of Jubilee. And I wish that they would have brought that kind of full circle at the end during like, the final fight, her versus the dude that she's had her character arc with, you know? Well, sunspot, I guess we're spoiling things. I wish you would have brought back some of the things she learned from older Jubilee to kind of have that payoff without having done that. It. I don't know. I love Jubilee as a character. Her powers are weak.
44:09 --> 44:19 I mean, you feel like they might be, right. She does sparkles, right? But she's actually very powerful mutant and has very powerful powers. But that doesn't really pick up in this show, which you're right. I agree with you.
44:19 --> 44:38 I feel like that episode was more or less just to be like, hey, Jubilee doesn't just make fireworks out of her fingers. She doesn't shit. Like, just. Just. We're going to give you 30 minutes just to realize that Jubilee does stuck. Okay? And then we're gonna get back to, like, the real story. They're just, oh, don't forget, we gotta make sure that Jubilee doesn't suck. We just gotta point that out real quick.
44:38 --> 45:04 When you're a kid, she's the. She's the character they want the kids to relate to. She's the bumblebee, right? Yeah. And so now that we don't need that because we're adults, they still want to make her relevant, which they should, because she's great. But. Yeah, I mean, but the story arc of. Imagine learning the true extent of your powers from a future version of yourself, which is so in keeping with how X Men works. Anyways, I feel a missed opportunity, but it's cool that they.
45:04 --> 45:08 It's like Harry Potter, where he's like, I knew I could do it because I had already done it.
45:08 --> 45:09 I'd already done it. Yeah.
45:10 --> 45:10 Right, right.
45:10 --> 45:14 Not me. Not Hermione, you.
45:15 --> 45:19 It was me, dad. It's me, Dad. I saw me dead.
45:21 --> 45:24 By the way, that big dude in the background was talking about from X Factor. Strong guy.
45:24 --> 45:25 That's strong guy. Yeah.
45:26 --> 45:34 He's got the little glasses with the little tuft of white hair, but he's yoked beyond all belief. Yeah, I love X Factor.
45:34 --> 45:42 I have, you know, Chard. There's a marvel snap card of strong guy, just if you're into that kind of thing. All the X Men have cards now. It's pretty cool.
45:42 --> 45:42 Just.
45:42 --> 45:43 Just saying.
45:43 --> 45:46 I love. Anytime we can get that. That shot of chart, by the way.
45:47 --> 45:49 Yeah. Just the PJ pants. Yeah.
45:49 --> 45:50 S factor one.
45:51 --> 45:51 Yeah.
45:51 --> 45:54 First one. First edition. Thank you.
45:54 --> 45:55 Very cool.
45:56 --> 45:57 Okay, go.
45:59 --> 46:01 I'm flexing this episode. Let me flex.
46:01 --> 46:03 Bingo. I got bingo is.
46:03 --> 46:05 Remember Jake said I wasn't a comic guy?
46:05 --> 46:16 Magneto is supposed to know they have a row of Funko's back there. They could be like horizons or non Funko's. I don't know what you collect. You're a sports guy. I didn't know you're a comic book nerd.
46:16 --> 46:16 I'm an ever.
46:16 --> 46:18 Let's know these things.
46:18 --> 47:07 Before we turn the corner with episode five, I want to ask you guys a question about future X Men movies. Clearly they're going to bring the X Men over into the MCU. They should. I'm excited for it. I respect Kevin Feige for so many things, but for not just. They've had the rights to X Men for four or five years now. They didn't force them in haphazardly the minute they got the green light. So respect there. Here's my question specifically about Magneto. You have a character who. Their ethos is written and tied to the Holocaust. How do you do that character in the mid 2020s for no other reason than now? The Holocaust was 80 years ago. And if he was a teenager then Magneto's approaching 100 years old. It worked in 97 because at that time he was 50, 60. And again, have we.
47:08 --> 47:12 Have we've decided that Magneto ages at regular speed?
47:12 --> 47:13 I mean, I don't know.
47:13 --> 47:13 I don't know.
47:13 --> 47:14 Yeah.
47:14 --> 47:18 Do we have any reason not to manipulate them?
47:18 --> 47:22 If he can manipulate metals, what can he do inside of his own body? Right?
47:22 --> 47:38 I mean, it's not just a metal manipulation. It is literal magnetism that, you know, magma magnetism does shit to your body. We've got magnets coming off of the fucking sun that's causing the Aurora borealis to come all the way down to Washington. I mean, it does some shit.
47:38 --> 47:41 Okay, so that equals magneto doesn't age.
47:41 --> 47:52 Yeah, I. Sir, I'm just throwing it out there that maybe. Maybe he can slow his aging through his magnetic ability.
47:52 --> 47:57 Want to say that I am in. But then you got a question about Charles Xavier as well.
47:57 --> 48:05 Charles Xavier. I was going to say, like, you can't. You can't have 80 year old Charles Xavier still being what he is today. Like, I love Sir Patrick stuff. It's got.
48:05 --> 48:09 You guys are that close. I love how you think, but still call him sir.
48:10 --> 48:15 Well, sir, Stewie, respect the.
48:17 --> 48:23 We've already. We've already fixed both of those actors with. With, you know, the new ones. It's fine.
48:25 --> 48:48 The eighties, nineties, right? I think is what it was. If we do modern MCU takes place in modern times. So they're gonna have to recast both those roles. Will have to. Right. And that's my worry, is that modern MCU. Sorry, GP. Modern MCU feels so much different than the tone of the, of the X Men movies that came out. I. It's gonna have to be an alternate. A multiverse thing.
48:48 --> 48:48 Yes.
48:48 --> 49:07 They're gonna have to call Earth something, something like they did with multiverse of madness where they had that one scene. It's gonna be that. And they're gonna have to keep the X Men in that universe. There's any crossovers because the multiverse, it'll work. But if they try and bring X Men like Wolverine and put them in the same area of, like, Iron man on the same earth, it's just not gonna, it's not gonna feel right.
49:07 --> 49:38 No. I think after what they're doing right now with the multiverse saga, they'll dumb that down and say, okay, everything in the, in the multiverse is destroyed. Now here's our new universe, and now everybody can be in the same sandbox. The thing is, what you're talking about, Jake, is what I think they're gonna do with Fantastic Four. It's fantastic Four from the sixties or seventies in an alternate, you know, past reality, but so much more technologically advanced so that when they come here, yada, yada, yada. But if you start doing that with too many properties, it's gonna, it's not.
49:38 --> 49:55 A history of mutants being oppressed. But then in the MCU today, Marvel superheroes, like, are like Iron man, right? They're like Thor. They're rock stars. So you don't have that distraught, like, you can't have the muse being oppressed on one hand, and then humanity is praising Thor like a rock star in the other. It's not, it's not gonna feel right at all.
49:55 --> 49:57 Well, he's an alien. That's fine.
49:58 --> 49:59 He's a God. But my.
49:59 --> 50:00 Yeah, what? What?
50:00 --> 50:30 Really? This is a gripe that I have with the current MCU setup. Other than the fact that they're just going fucking blazing. I can't think of the word. I'm trying to think. They're just gunsling and shooting from the hip on everything. But, like, the concept of the superhero thing was always, like, the hidden identity. And not nobody needs to know who you are. Like, Tony Stark was a different beast, but he didn't give a shit. But, like, Spider man was super, super about his hidden identity. And it's like.
50:35 --> 50:37 They blew that wide open.
50:37 --> 51:06 Yeah, but I mean, but for like three fucking movies, they were like, oh, that's Peter's cool. And nobody fucking freaked out about it. Like, no one was losing their shit over it. They're just like, Spider man. Well, he's on the bus. Fucking bus. Yeah, it drives me nuts. And Captain America constantly taking his, his cowl off, his mask off all the time. They're just like, you know what? Just fucking leave it off. We know who you are. You know, it, it just.
51:06 --> 51:07 I think they should.
51:08 --> 51:10 All of the heroism for me, I.
51:10 --> 51:14 Think they should all just start wearing glasses and take those off to change.
51:14 --> 51:16 There you go. Be Superman.
51:16 --> 51:16 Yeah.
51:16 --> 51:20 Nobody knows Superman. Everybody was fine with it.
51:20 --> 51:26 So I understand you're making fun of Superman. I. But I will say this. You guys have seen the pictures of Zoe Deschanel from.
51:26 --> 51:27 Yes.
51:28 --> 51:31 Without bangs, without glasses. Absolutely. The Clark thing works.
51:31 --> 51:32 Oh, yeah.
51:32 --> 51:33 Yeah.
51:33 --> 51:39 But they also changed her hair. That's important. Clark Kent is he, what, did he shave his.
51:42 --> 51:45 Continental. He goes western. Makes.
51:45 --> 51:46 It makes a difference.
51:46 --> 51:56 Yeah. No, and the whole way. Go back and watch Superman, the movie from 1976 with Christopher Reeves. Completely different ways he plays those two characters. Brilliant. Master class.
51:56 --> 51:57 No, he's not.
51:57 --> 52:01 This episode about that. Wherever you want, whenever you want. But that's not.
52:01 --> 52:04 We need to dispatch of this DC debauchery.
52:04 --> 52:08 No, we need to encourage DC to do better episode.
52:09 --> 52:12 Please. That's the, that's the episode where I'm like, I'm all in on this show.
52:12 --> 52:33 This is, this is. Okay. So my kids kind of watch this with us off and on until this episode. And then my daughter, all she listened to for a couple weeks was as a bass. And this was the first time where the minute this episode ended, my wife and I rewound it. We watched again and again. It was Macbeth tomorrow.
52:35 --> 52:38 All I listened to was crying game.
52:39 --> 52:39 Yeah.
52:39 --> 52:45 For like weeks after. And wept in the, in the shower after I watched that.
52:45 --> 52:55 So many good parts of this. I've already talked too much. I'm going to let you guys discuss it. And anything you guys don't mention, I will, I will throw in there. But let's, let's start with you, Jake. What do you, what do you got from this episode for highlights?
52:56 --> 53:38 I mean, the opening scene where rogue basically decides to go in, all in with Magneto and be by his side. In the beginning, that whole sequence was pretty stellar. That was memorable. Definitely not a kid show. But, I mean, for me, it's, it's always gonna be that ending. Right? Like, I really believe there was a show that would not pull punches. It would actually kill characters. And that's what happens in this episode. And you're like, they can't do that. But they. They do. And I know it's comic books. I'm sure in season two they'll do something with Gambit again. There's some history there, but we already know how that ending scene, when he runs and he's. He's picked up a sentinel, and he's like, my name is Gambit. Remember me? That is one of the greatest lines in an MCU adjacent thing ever. Like, that scene is iconic for me now, and it's just.
53:38 --> 53:50 And it's in a cartoon, how impressive his powers are. All he had to do was touch that thing. And you saw the energy, like, flow through. It was so cool. Like that was.
53:51 --> 54:13 You got to think that, you know, is that a sacrificial thing? Like, did he. Did he pour every. Knowing he wasn't going to get out of that? Because. Because I'm thinking, why didn't he just do this earlier? Why didn't he just touch everything and blow it up? Like, why? And then I was like, well, he was dying. Maybe he fed all of his energy into it, and that's. That's, you know, he sacrificed himself to it.
54:13 --> 54:18 If you're gonna. If you're gonna pull out the question, why didn't they do this earlier?
54:18 --> 54:18 I know.
54:19 --> 54:25 Whatever. Like, I'm sorry, but you have now ruined comic books, because, I mean, those.
54:25 --> 54:32 Guys, they're using cards as explosives. Like the smallest, thinnest thing you can find. Bro, pick up a tire.
54:32 --> 54:43 Let's use something versus the prices of cards. Just when he gets older, it'll be dominoes.
54:47 --> 54:49 No, keep it in the nineties. Or pogs.
54:49 --> 54:51 Napkins are bigger.
54:51 --> 54:56 Yes, but they're not aerodynamically throwable. Now, if they were shurikens, gambit with.
54:56 --> 54:58 Paper airplanes would be a force.
54:58 --> 55:02 Use soda cans. Recycled. There you go. Now we're going green.
55:03 --> 55:09 Just don't drink the soda. And it's. It doesn't matter that it aerodynamic, it has weight, and you can throw it.
55:09 --> 55:10 There you go.
55:10 --> 55:16 Gambit figuring out his power as a child was the messiest game of duck, duck goose of all time.
55:16 --> 55:19 Yeah, I know.
55:19 --> 55:28 It is exploded, you know, for a different take, but the same outcome. Rogues was the same problem.
55:28 --> 55:29 Yeah.
55:29 --> 55:35 The one pass they both had, they both had horrible duck, duck, goose experiences.
55:35 --> 55:36 Oh, yeah. Yeah.
55:37 --> 55:41 Why is everybody sleeping? I feel great.
55:41 --> 55:42 Why do I feel awesome?
55:42 --> 55:44 I have the strength of twelve kids.
55:44 --> 55:47 Chase me. I'm tired.
55:47 --> 55:49 Yeah. Oh, my God.
55:49 --> 55:56 Did you guys think that with this. That this was. They were gonna keep Magneto dead the rest of the season? What do you guys know?
55:56 --> 55:58 No, no, no.
55:58 --> 56:06 Because I didn't believe that Charles was dead. And I think where one goes, the other will. I mean, story point wise. Yeah. Right.
56:06 --> 56:12 I. You know what? They killed Gambit. So I was. I was committed to be like, they're just going all out.
56:12 --> 56:34 Correct me if I'm wrong, because, honestly, I don't have enough separation between episodes. To me, it's kind of all blended together. Isn't this kind of the low point for Magneto? That kind of makes it so that he wants to fedex the pain? Isn't that kind of what this episode was?
56:35 --> 57:27 Yeah. I will correct you. I think this is the closest thing to being Charles Xavier Magneto has ever been. Especially when he's protecting God toad, who. He's got him kind of in that sphere. And. I'm sorry, this is, to me, the best moment of the entire show, says don't be afraid in German. And then he uses the train, which is a horrific iconography when you relate it to. And he used that as a weapon to whip and beat. Oh, my God. Like, even just talking about it, you can't see them, but the goosebumps are real. But just to hear him whisper that, you know, don't, do not be afraid, which is a very biblical phrase. So for him to encompass and become so many different things at once and then ultimately fails because toad died, that's.
57:27 --> 57:39 Kind of my point. When I say, like, FedEx, the pain, this is. This is Magneto's, like, low point. That's like, all right, it's over. And I'm going to just win. Like, I will.
57:40 --> 57:54 I'm gonna do it Xavier's way. We're gonna do peaceful. We're gonna side treaties. I'm gonna represent people in Geneva or Geneva, and then they fucking sent that abomination out there to wreck house. And he's like, fuck it.
57:55 --> 57:59 I'm going. I'm just going full. I'm just going full power. Let's go.
58:00 --> 58:06 If he was ever gonna go super Saiyan, just hardcore dark side, I have to do it his way. I'm gonna do it my way.
58:07 --> 58:07 Right?
58:07 --> 58:08 Yeah.
58:08 --> 58:18 I mean, he kind of did. He kind of did. He shut down all of, like, the earth, basically. And then, like, asteroid m and he's like, let's go.
58:18 --> 58:20 We did it once, we could do it again.
58:20 --> 58:21 Let's fucking go.
58:21 --> 58:45 But, like, twice as horrific because, yeah, he shut down all power across the globe and made an even bigger, you know, doomsday asteroid m in orbit. Basically. Basically. Look, in the plan of destroying the earth, starting fresh with his planet, his new planet. It's, again, he's one of those mutants where it just. It's just insane how powerful he is in the comics. Like, he was always great in the movies too, but in the show, it's other level for sure.
58:45 --> 58:49 Yeah, I watched. I watched this. I watched the show, and I was like.
58:51 --> 58:58 Oh, there's a reason. Yeah, it's not like, well, I could just move metal around. Like, what he can do with that shit is fucking insane.
58:58 --> 59:04 I can shut down. I can shut down all energy across the whole planet. Let's go.
59:04 --> 59:12 Am I. Am I wrong in assuming that the costume is from House of M? Is that where that's from? I want to say that it is.
59:12 --> 59:15 During the no more mutants thing with scarlet witch.
59:15 --> 59:16 Yes, I think so.
59:16 --> 59:30 Yeah, I think. I think you're right. But it is, iconically an era. We'll say it that way. But really, the only thing that gets me is the. The extra long gloves, the prom gloves. Otherwise, it looks badass, and I'm here for it.
59:31 --> 59:44 But if you got those, like, I mean, just the style. I'm gonna. I'm. I'm magneto. Everybody knows who I am. I'm like, accuse me a terrorist. But let me just put a gigantic m on my fucking chest. Get rid of the sleeves.
59:46 --> 59:56 They need to make a purple m and m and give him that, like, stylized m, and then he can, you know, seduce the green m and M, because for whatever reason, people care about the sexuality of M and M's.
59:56 --> 01:00:01 Also. Also, M and Ms were looking for sponsorship, too.
01:00:01 --> 01:00:03 Oh, yeah. Not a sponsor, but I am open.
01:00:05 --> 01:00:07 We were M and Ms at one point.
01:00:07 --> 01:00:09 That's right. I remember that.
01:00:11 --> 01:00:13 That's the production values we bring every week.
01:00:15 --> 01:00:35 This is a definitive episode, I think, in animation. I know that's saying a lot, but everything that this episode accomplished, you know, charge was saying he was holding out hope about, you know, people surviving and all this stuff. We rewatched that episode. I've already mentioned that. And every time it was, did they really just kill off Gambit?
01:00:35 --> 01:00:36 Right.
01:00:36 --> 01:00:41 I mean, his final stand was just as impactful as Magneto's. He was just more of a side character.
01:00:41 --> 01:00:51 Here's my. Here's. Here's my struggle, though. I have been taught by comic books and comic book, you know, side whatever, that nobody dies.
01:00:52 --> 01:00:55 Yeah. Is only one.
01:00:55 --> 01:00:58 And so my problem is, I was like, did Gambit die?
01:00:59 --> 01:01:00 No.
01:01:00 --> 01:01:10 And comic book characters die all the time. The only thing more difficult than killing a comic book character is getting that way. Yeah, that's yeah, yeah.
01:01:10 --> 01:01:17 I think the long running joke was that Bucky was the longest dead running character until they brought him back as the Winter Soldier.
01:01:17 --> 01:01:17 Right.
01:01:17 --> 01:01:19 He was the only one that died and wouldn't.
01:01:20 --> 01:02:13 Yeah. Gp you brought a good point where like, this show is basically a mismatch of different comic book runs kind of pushed together. And it's interesting because the original cartoon was only 20 minutes of an episode, so when they did a two or three parter, it was basically an hour. This this series, though. However, I think the minute runtime is like 40 minutes for most episodes, if not longer. It's quite a bit longer, but they still cram in multiple arcs together in even the same episode. So I'm with you, sinister. When Gambit's dead, I'm like, they can't really keep him dead, right? Because he does come back as a I think I think in the comic there's a run where he was Apocalypse's horseman for a while, and I think that's where they'll probably go with him next season. Is that and that makes sense to me, but I wasn't sure they're gonna do it this season if that's what they're gonna go. Cause I get this point. We still don't know who the villain is. We don't know who the major villain is by episode five, which is kind of wild there.
01:02:13 --> 01:02:15 30 minutes. 30 to 30 minutes.
01:02:15 --> 01:02:28 Okay, so they they did. If you go back and rewatch him, spoiler alert here again, too late. The big bad of the season is bastion. There are photos and odd little Easter eggs of bastion.
01:02:28 --> 01:02:28 Yes.
01:02:28 --> 01:02:59 Even at the beginning of episode five, you see him for the first time, but it's only like from here up as he walked in front of the camera, like it's so bizarre, but it's such a cool on the nose kind of thing for a character to do. Like he's an extra. And really, those are the scariest bad guys. I mean, you can have sinus, Mister Sinister, who does what he does, or you can have magneto and all these people who are bombastic and want to be the face of evil. But then you've got a truly brilliant, overly powered technopath who is okay with being in the shadows. That's terrifying.
01:02:59 --> 01:03:02 Maybe the person that was drawing him couldn't draw feet.
01:03:04 --> 01:03:08 He nailed the fuck out of the top part of the head by the.
01:03:08 --> 01:03:12 Way, the last episode was 40 minutes. So it goes basically 30 up to 40 minutes.
01:03:13 --> 01:03:17 Okay. Which still beefy length for a cartoon, right? Like, it's pretty good.
01:03:17 --> 01:03:28 The next couple episodes, we figure out bastion is the big bad. We get some of their history. Which bastion, they. They retconned or altered Bastion's history to make more sense. Sorry, go ahead. Sinister.
01:03:29 --> 01:03:49 I have to bring up a point. So I didn't know enough history with, uh, Nimrod. No cable, son of cable, to know that he was. He was the. He was the child yet. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't know that he was the child of Jean Grey and. And made.
01:03:51 --> 01:03:52 A clone.
01:03:52 --> 01:04:02 Right. I didn't know. I didn't actually know that. Like, even though I'm like a Deadpool guy and cables made his appearance and a lot of deadpool, I had no clue. So when that happened, that was like.
01:04:02 --> 01:04:06 Literally like, not to Doc's cable, Nathan Summers.
01:04:06 --> 01:04:07 But yeah.
01:04:07 --> 01:04:20 And again, the way they handled his arc with his mother issues, you know, clone mom or non, that. That kind of thing, I think by the end was resolved very well and poignantly, I think, for anybody who's ever had mommy issues and.
01:04:24 --> 01:04:27 The car, which I thought really, they're all three together. They're.
01:04:27 --> 01:04:31 If you're listening to the podcast, you need to come watch that scene right there.
01:04:32 --> 01:04:34 Speaking of psychological issues.
01:04:35 --> 01:04:41 Yeah, right. Anyway, moving on. Make that okay.
01:04:41 --> 01:04:46 But seriously, mind blowing cable for me.
01:04:46 --> 01:05:02 Because even in the original run of the cartoon, cable was. I liked the age of apocalypse. Run of the cartoon is iconic for me as a kid, and they had bishop and Cable, but I don't even think in the original cartoon they mentioned that connection. I knew it because of friends telling me that's what it was. But yeah, here is where you get the origin of cable, which is nice to see.
01:05:02 --> 01:05:38 And one thing I want to make sure to mention about Cable is, of course, they explain later on how he got lost in the time stream and where he ended up and all that. But he has tried a couple of hundred times now to prevent the genocide event, but his time machine keeps pulling him back, showing that this is an absolute locked in thing, which is so fucking brilliant because it takes out any question about, well, can't you just go back in time and redo it? Because you've got somebody who says, I've tried it. I've tried it several times. And there's a certain moment where this has to happen, which is coinciding with so many things we see in the MCU.
01:05:38 --> 01:05:42 It's Doctor who rules. It's Doctor who rule certain.
01:05:42 --> 01:05:54 Certain key areas of history. And that's. I think they're trying to do that with the multiverse stuff as well. There's certain key moments in the multiverse that they cannot change. I think that will be a big theme going forward as well. So it's interesting they have the two. Two spins on that.
01:05:54 --> 01:05:55 Anyway.
01:05:55 --> 01:05:57 Responsible thing you can think of.
01:05:57 --> 01:06:04 I wanted to get that out of the way because seriously, that was an aha moment for me when I was watching, was like, wait, wait.
01:06:04 --> 01:07:13 And I think because the MCU has stumbled a little bit since endgame, I think they're taking a page out of the Disney playbook when it comes to Star wars, which is, let's create some sort of lore that will coincide with the weaker parts of our story that people don't like. Somehow Palpatine returned and explained, no, this has actually been going on for a while. We just, you know, so I think that's kind of what they're doing with some of these adjacent properties, feeding it back into the main thing. But anyway, that's a whole other episode as well. So. Yeah, we learned Bastian, who was a version of Nimrod that was destroyed in the history that then impregnated, or I guess became a child by infecting child's parents who were very small background characters from the original nineties run, I think a bartender and a. No, a janitor and a waitress. They hooked up, had this kid who was infected with this techno virus. And we have Bastion, a waitress at a cocktail bar, Applebee's, when I met you. Yeah.
01:07:13 --> 01:07:14 Yes.
01:07:14 --> 01:07:15 Yeah. Nice.
01:07:15 --> 01:07:17 GP gets my reference.
01:07:17 --> 01:07:18 Don't you want me, baby?
01:07:18 --> 01:07:25 Don't you want me? I like that. I like the mix, you know, the alternate mix you get.
01:07:28 --> 01:07:33 They've changed the. The bastion story, which is fine, I think, if bashful.
01:07:33 --> 01:07:49 What was it originally? Because I was always confused with this origin of this character because Nimrod's the ultimate sentinel and there's master bold and the Sentinels, and they're all robots. The fact that they. They made a mutant never sat right with me. So I'm just curious how that's different from the comics.
01:07:49 --> 01:08:25 In the comics, Nimrod, if I. And forgive me, there's a. There's a. Not a MacGuffin, but a portal that they cross through that has a name that I am not going to remember, but it basically undo. It undoes their, like, form, but their soul kind of remains amalgamated to something else. It's. Yeah. Okay. I quoted you the scriptures on this a while ago, but they had to, like, cross a threshold or like a portal looking thing, and then they were not. I don't say reincarnated, maybe pre incarnated. Is that a word? Did I just create reincarnation as a different version?
01:08:25 --> 01:08:25 Yeah.
01:08:26 --> 01:08:36 Anybody who knows, correct me in the comments, don't come after me, don't at me, because I'm not going to care about it. But I do want to know, so if you would educate us, that would be great. In the comments, press b to cancel.
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01:08:47 --> 01:08:50 All right, keep going, keep going.
01:08:51 --> 01:08:55 Quick question. Do we want to keep going or do we want to make this a two parter?
01:08:55 --> 01:09:06 No, we should finish this up because we're episode six at the very least, right? It's not that much more. Talking about bastion stuff kind of rolls together. I feel like I'd rather we just finish this episode. This up.
01:09:06 --> 01:09:11 Yeah. So long story short. Exposition, exposition. Finale. And it was great.
01:09:11 --> 01:09:19 Well, episode six is when, you know, spoiler cast is when storm gets her powers back.
01:09:19 --> 01:09:42 Right? Which, again, the side quest stuff they did with her and forge is fun. And I like that power. I love the character of forge. I love that his abilities are so rooted in his imagination is fucking brilliant. They even ask him, when did you come up with this? Or how did you make that? He's like, I thought of it, and I just think if more people had that outlook on life, we could get a lot more done as a species.
01:09:42 --> 01:10:11 It was neat to see the Shadow king again because I remember him from the original run of the show. So neat to see that there. But again, it felt a little bit. I'm glad they gave her her powers back because I was worried for a minute she wouldn't have them. And you get to see her change in costume, which is great because I recognize that for Marvel Snap. I know we all love Marvel Snap here on the podcast, so that was kind of neat. But it did feel a weird that they had that tangent of a story for a few episodes. I almost wish that. Wonder if the show would have been better if they just kept that out. I don't know.
01:10:12 --> 01:10:26 I. I do want to say I'll bring this up now, and I don't think I'll bring it up again. I think the person who got shit on the most in this season was beast. Not a great doctor. Really great mechanic. Had to rebuild the, the blackbird or whatever. X number of times.
01:10:26 --> 01:10:26 Couple times.
01:10:26 --> 01:10:34 Oh my God. Cyclops ejecting out of that. In that coop, in that. In that car. Very James Bond.
01:10:34 --> 01:10:35 Yeah, very.
01:10:35 --> 01:11:12 Anyway, okay, so that's enough about beast, whom I love, but kind of like wolverine, background character for the season and that's fine. I had a train of thought, man. I fucking missed it. So yeah, bastion acts. He activates the first of the human sentinels. It's not that. And that's when we see rogue actually, right before that happened. She killed a guy and everybody's standing there like, is this who we are now? And then immediately everybody's okay with it, it seems. And then two beats later, okay. No, he's alive as a human sentinel, whatever that means. Right?
01:11:12 --> 01:11:17 Yeah. The idea of human sentinels as a concept, I mean, it works for what the show is.
01:11:17 --> 01:11:18 Living. Living.
01:11:18 --> 01:11:21 It's basically bringing zombies to marvel, which is a bit odd, right?
01:11:21 --> 01:11:23 Techno zombies.
01:11:23 --> 01:11:24 Yeah.
01:11:24 --> 01:11:27 But also like. Yeah, they sign up.
01:11:28 --> 01:11:32 It was a bit much. That's kind of weird.
01:11:32 --> 01:11:38 It seemed like it was just done in the background somehow. I forget if I forget if that was explained.
01:11:38 --> 01:11:39 Yeah.
01:11:40 --> 01:11:47 Like, oh, yeah. We've basically kind of figured out how to impregnate everybody with living sentinel technology.
01:11:47 --> 01:12:13 It's not everybody. There's some sort. I don't know if there's a pattern or if it's just, you know, 50 50. But not every single person in the world turned into a sentinel. Right. The scene. Yeah, with, with Bastion's mommy, that was another just really great note for horror as a genre. In the cartoon chard, you are being uncharacteristically non hyper verbal. What's your take on Bastion?
01:12:15 --> 01:12:16 I'm doing.
01:12:16 --> 01:13:11 I'm actually doing a little research. You know, Bastion was actually created in 1996. So he is, he is actually, you know, from, he's. He's canon from the show he was in. I think. I think it was X Men 3333 or something like that. There's a lot, there's a lot to him in his comic, you know, his comic life. But as, as for the tv show, he was such, it was just such a weird, it was a good thing because bash is cool. I thought he was, he was cool. Big bad. But he was so left field on the big bad because it's like you have these big bads that are out there and they kept showing fucking apocalypse in the opening, you know, cut scenes. So I kept thinking he was going to show up at some point. Spoiler. He kind of does, but not to the extent that I thought he was going to be in it. And I know they're just going back to the forest, but at him, you know, just from the original tv show, because they do the age of Apocalypse other, which is fantastic series.
01:13:11 --> 01:13:16 Yeah. Isn't that kind of what the ending lineup is, is, like, lined up for Age of Apocalypse?
01:13:16 --> 01:13:20 Yeah, essentially back in time for some reason. Right.
01:13:20 --> 01:13:22 And it's just, well, there's, there's like.
01:13:22 --> 01:13:49 Three factors, or factions, dream splits about people, but that's. Right. Bastion I. He's just a weird, off the cusp kind of pick. And I was cool with it. Like, I was like, huh? All right, cool. We'll go with that. I'm cool with this. Let's see what happens with that. And the fact that he kept evolving in each episode and kept adding more shit to his person. I was like, he's turning into, like, a pretty badass transformer thing.
01:13:49 --> 01:13:52 By the time he got the wings, I was like, this is, yeah, we.
01:13:52 --> 01:14:35 Just flying around in space. I was like, all right. This guy's all, he's all right. I didn't know how I felt about the, the primes, the sentinel prime thing was a little goofy to me, in my personal opinion. But what, you know, how do you make the worst thing worse as you turn it into people that you care about and then, you know, and then he snaps his fingers and then everybody becomes one, and you're like, holy shit. How are they going to get out of this? Kind of. What are they going to do next time, Scoob? And, like, all these other goddamn shows where they can't binge watch because we're in a binge watch society, they actually held off releasing each episode, so I can't remember. It felt like forever to get the final goddamn episode.
01:14:35 --> 01:14:42 You were happy about that. And I. I don't really have a problem with binge society. I really don't.
01:14:42 --> 01:14:46 I. I miss having the conversation throughout the week.
01:14:47 --> 01:14:48 Yeah.
01:14:48 --> 01:15:10 You know, my problem is with it is that it's so hard to avoid spoilers with these shows. Like, it really is. I'd rather just go radio silent for the week, couple weeks, and then just binge it. Like, sinister. I'm the same way. I want to watch it. I have very limited time for tv shows and a lot of time, I couldn't watch it week to week. So I was doing two here episodes here, two episodes there. I would much rather just binge it in one night. I mean, either. Either is fine.
01:15:10 --> 01:15:28 I got to live and exist in the same kind of headspace I did as a kid on Saturday mornings. I was there for it. I mean, my wife and I, we talked about it throughout the week, and then as Wednesdays approach, it was like, oh, man, we're hype. What do you think's going to happen? I love the idea of speculating. I love the fuck out of it.
01:15:28 --> 01:15:38 Here's my rub is, like, the timing didn't work out. I had to wait until Thursday for the final episode to watch. Like, yeah, yeah.
01:15:38 --> 01:15:47 You know, to get that real Fox kids experience. GP. What they should have done is, after four or five new episodes, break for four fucking five months, and then make you wait for the other episode.
01:15:47 --> 01:15:51 I was gonna say over from the beginning again, dragon Ball Z.
01:15:52 --> 01:15:57 Or just give a big. Or just give a big fucking. To be continued and end the season.
01:15:58 --> 01:16:04 Just call it, yo, kid Boo is going to be in the next episode. Sega saga.
01:16:04 --> 01:16:05 What?
01:16:05 --> 01:16:07 Just saw this.
01:16:07 --> 01:16:11 Just severance that motherfucker. Just severance the hell out of that motherfucker.
01:16:11 --> 01:16:20 Okay. Also, real quick to get back to the show, Xavier is alive. He's coming back to earth. He did, or he didn't marry the queen of the bird people. Nobody was.
01:16:21 --> 01:16:24 I think he did that episode.
01:16:24 --> 01:16:53 He walks for a few hours, he comes back, and somehow on the whatever plane he takes these people to, he understands. Gambit's dead, which is pretty dope. I love that he's that connected with the students. I love that they have shown how flawed Charles Xavier is. And a lot of people in leadership have kind of that dichotomy of this is what's good for the gander. But also, here's some really bonehead decisions I'm going to make that will come back to bite everybody else.
01:16:53 --> 01:16:57 Orange walking pants. Who wears those, bro? Come on.
01:16:58 --> 01:17:00 I would. I don't know.
01:17:01 --> 01:17:02 Khakis.
01:17:05 --> 01:17:06 It's.
01:17:08 --> 01:17:09 Those dockers.
01:17:09 --> 01:17:10 Oh, my God.
01:17:10 --> 01:17:11 Anyways, I'm sorry.
01:17:11 --> 01:17:32 So. So he comes back. Oh, my God. There's one other thing I want to mention, because we all have Nightcrawler, Wolverine, touching Nightcrawler as he bamps through the brimstone dimension. And the way they show that with, like, the stretching and the pulling and all that, it was so cool. And then him showing up as a support to Wolverine fighting off those. Those prime sentinels.
01:17:32 --> 01:17:33 Yeah. Oh, yeah.
01:17:34 --> 01:17:36 Oh, it was so good. I got six reasons.
01:17:36 --> 01:17:57 I mean, that's. I think that's part of the reason that I love. I think that's part of the reason I love Nightcrawler so much is. It's like he's used a little bit of as, as that, like, fix it MacGuffin. And so, you know, when he shows up, he's just going to be like, I'm just going to teleport this person out, like, right before they die. I'm going to teleport them out right before they die.
01:17:57 --> 01:17:59 He is the Deucex machina of X Men.
01:18:00 --> 01:18:02 He's the MacGuffin. He's the deus ex. He's the whatever, right?
01:18:03 --> 01:18:04 Deus ex machina.
01:18:04 --> 01:18:15 I'm going to get some, some gut for this, and I apologize because I hope people understand this is me kind of being somewhat silly, but the character of Kurt Wagner is also heavily steeped in the catholic tradition.
01:18:16 --> 01:18:17 I know.
01:18:19 --> 01:18:44 Or your friend group. And I'm not speaking all of anybody of the faith. And I think it's great. But if you have anybody who's just like that, committed to it and devoted, they'll show up and you can have a conversation about anything. And their first thing is about that. And everybody's just like. I imagine he just shows up and says some stuff about the rosary and everybody's like, great, man. Love.
01:18:44 --> 01:18:45 That's cool.
01:18:45 --> 01:18:47 This energy for you.
01:18:47 --> 01:18:50 That's, that's great, man. But this energy beam is coming for my head.
01:18:50 --> 01:18:50 Can you.
01:18:50 --> 01:18:51 Can you help me out?
01:18:51 --> 01:18:52 Can you.
01:18:52 --> 01:18:56 Bam. Real quick? Can you be a bro? Can you do that for us, please?
01:18:56 --> 01:19:03 You know, it'd be a really cool line for, for Nightcrawler right before he kills people is something like, in his mercy. And then slice that slice. I slice.
01:19:06 --> 01:19:14 He is badass when he fights, right? Like, I always remember the best version, Nightcrawler in a scene was the movie, right, where he's fighting the White House and he's just teleporting everybody's ass.
01:19:14 --> 01:19:16 And he's got the knife in his.
01:19:16 --> 01:19:25 Tail and he's just, at least in this, he has a sortie and he can fight. He's a badass character, but because of the religious factor of the character, he doesn't want to kill anybody.
01:19:25 --> 01:19:26 Right, right.
01:19:28 --> 01:19:28 I mean, that's.
01:19:28 --> 01:19:29 Right.
01:19:30 --> 01:20:09 But there's also that level of self loathing which Wagner. I mean, again, I'm not trying to say anything about any communities, but the, the level of self loathing that sometimes can come from the older religions, I guess, is probably a great way of saying that raised Catholic, he hates who he is. He thinks he's been cursed by God because he has this kind of demon appearance. He doesn't like that he has to fight and that he's so good at it. But he also is wanting to protect people who can't protect themselves. So he's such an interesting character for those reasons and so many more. Yeah. For him to show up, it's great.
01:20:09 --> 01:20:12 He's the wounded hero, right? I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:20:12 --> 01:20:20 But that's the other thing is like, I don't want to kill any humans. Oh, they're sentinels now in his mercy though.
01:20:22 --> 01:20:26 No, he's just killing the sentinel half. He. He's not thinking about the other.
01:20:26 --> 01:20:33 He's dissecting all of these people and they just, you know, crawl back and reform. They. They're fine.
01:20:34 --> 01:20:35 They're good. It's fine.
01:20:35 --> 01:20:37 Yeah, yeah. He remains.
01:20:37 --> 01:20:45 It's 18 rules, Jake. It's 18 rules. Nobody actually died. They always show that people get out of the jeep as they after it rolls. It's fine.
01:20:45 --> 01:20:58 Yeah. They didn't fly tank in this show, though. That's. That's the important thing. So to jump ahead then I guess like we should. Because we should jump ahead. Asteroid M the fight when it's X Men versus X Men, that was pretty badass.
01:20:58 --> 01:21:00 I can't believe they did that with Wolverine.
01:21:01 --> 01:21:24 Well, they got it. I was waiting to see if they were going to introduce the bone claw version of Wolverine at some point because that. That is a huge cannon part in, in the comic books where Magneto rips the out adamantium off of his bones. Yeah. And I was like, are they gonna do it in the show? Cuz I had it in the back of my head. I was like, I feel like they're gonna somehow ensure shit. Last episode, they fucking ripped all that shit off.
01:21:25 --> 01:22:00 Oh, it's weird though, because I feel like you, you had mentioned before GP where you felt like they added a bunch of these mishmash of comic book arcs in case they only got the one season. And I feel that's what the adamantium rip was. I think that would probably would have been better in a later season where they could have focused on that and the impact Wolverine. I think they kind of shoehorn that in because in that sequence when Wolverine is taking down Magneto, why would Magneto get the strength to do it right then and there? I felt it was. It would have been better in a later season. I mean, it's neat to see it on screen because it was. It was pretty accurate from what I understand from the comic book scenes.
01:22:00 --> 01:22:01 Yep.
01:22:01 --> 01:22:33 Yes. And like, even the angles of his like, being torturously put through. That was good. It looked so good. What I loved about it the most was his declaration that, as he said to Magneto, in almost a respectful way, you know, the brave always die first. And I think it speaks to, speaking of self loathing, how much of a chip on his shoulder Wolverine has that he can't die because he's a very brave character. But now you have to think maybe it's because he knows he won't die and is that actually brave, or he.
01:22:33 --> 01:22:33 Thinks that he won't?
01:22:33 --> 01:22:33 Yeah.
01:22:34 --> 01:22:53 Yeah. Right. So I think that was such. Another just incredible moment that really could only have been given by Wolverine. So I'm glad he at least got that. So, and that's the other thing with Magneto. He's supposed to be this leader of all these people, but he's. He's also the one who puts the pawns out there first. Like chess.
01:22:53 --> 01:22:53 Sure.
01:22:53 --> 01:23:00 And so, you know, is that Wolverine being genuinely respectful, or is that him flipping his nose at him?
01:23:01 --> 01:23:01 Right.
01:23:03 --> 01:23:07 For sure, yeah. Sorry. I'm talking too much today, guys.
01:23:07 --> 01:23:08 No, you're not.
01:23:08 --> 01:23:42 You're the. You're hosting this thing, and it's. You're doing great. This is. This was a really surprising group of cartoons put together, and I even like the. The Archer esque type animation that they put in there, the really bold black lines and stuff. I know. Jake. Jake liked the, you know, he was talking about. He kind of liked. He preferred the older one, but. But I. I don't know. I like the. It's almost shell cell shaded in kind of a way, but it's. It looks like Archer. I mean, for those of you who've seen the comedy, you know, super spy show Archer, it's got the super bold black lines, and. And I just think it makes the characters pop a little bit more.
01:23:42 --> 01:23:43 I think it's great.
01:23:43 --> 01:23:54 So I kind of. I kind of stopped following the releases from. From the Marvel universe. Was this. Was this really announced, or was this really just kind of shadow dropped?
01:23:55 --> 01:23:57 No, it was announced for about a year.
01:23:58 --> 01:24:16 Yeah. 2022. 2023. They did the Disney Big D 23 show, and there was a bunch of announcements coming up, and this is one of them. They just kind of dropped x Men 97, the title card, and with nothing really, I think, afterwards, GDP. It was just kind of like, we're doing this, but with no details whatsoever, and you didn't know what to really expect.
01:24:17 --> 01:24:57 Right. Yeah. But then the months leading up to it, they said, hey, it's coming out spring of 24. And then they did the dates like, a few months out, and they said, hey, we're doing ten episodes, and yada, yada, yada. So I guess kind of a mix of both. But it was something that I think was on a lot of radars for a while because people were so confused as to what to expect. So. Okay. And then what was the other thing I wanted to make sure to mention with all of this? Oh, the fight between Jubilee and Sunspot. Seeing him in his full brilliance was actually really cool. That character's arc was well done. And then the betrayal by his mother handing him over to the authorities was.
01:24:57 --> 01:24:58 Yeah.
01:24:58 --> 01:25:00 Oh, that was a gut punch.
01:25:00 --> 01:25:13 Yeah. You know, because it's funny because they. They lure you in with him finally coming clean and being like, hey, mom, I'm a mutant. She's cool with it. Well, all right. And then later, she's like, no, fuck you.
01:25:13 --> 01:25:22 They lure. They lure you in. To me, this was. This was an allegory to, you know, orientation wise, coming out of the closet.
01:25:22 --> 01:25:22 Yeah.
01:25:22 --> 01:25:23 Right.
01:25:23 --> 01:25:42 And not, you know, I'm not part of that group, so if I'm. If I'm wrong, please, you know, please take this as me trying to be understanding. But I, you know, very much was like, oh, it's the accepting mother. It's, you know, and then all of a sudden, you're like, oh, you're that way.
01:25:42 --> 01:25:44 No, you're actually totally.
01:25:44 --> 01:25:51 Yeah, yeah. Do what you want behind closed doors, but for the sake of the family, you do this, which, you know, not.
01:25:51 --> 01:26:00 If you're religious, that's fine. But sadly, that happens more often than not in a lot of religious families of, you know. Oh, we're accepting of you. Just. Just don't tell grandma.
01:26:00 --> 01:26:05 But in this case, the priority is not the religion, it's the money. It's the. The optics.
01:26:05 --> 01:26:06 Yeah.
01:26:06 --> 01:26:09 Of. Well, we're a well to do family. You know, we have brands.
01:26:09 --> 01:26:15 I say it's an allegory. Right. And I love that. It was a. It was a really well done allegory. So.
01:26:15 --> 01:26:36 Yeah, no, I. That's. And it reminds me, I think it's from x two, back in the early two thousands, when Bobby takes some of the people because the X mansion just got blown up, and he tells his mom, and she's like, well, have you tried not being a mutant? But it's like, here's what it is, guys.
01:26:36 --> 01:26:38 Mom, it's not just a phase.
01:26:41 --> 01:26:56 Yeah, no, I can really appreciate the series for that aspect of it. I think it really draws the parallels well and presents them in a. In a mature and honest way.
01:26:57 --> 01:27:27 Yeah, I like that. It's brought a lot of the, you know, bigotry that, that X Men really was trying to help with. You know, Stan Lee was amazing with that stuff. He was progressive and forward thinking and, you know, it was, it was, you know, equality, you know, race equality and stuff back then. Now it's gender equality and, and, you know, orientation equality and, and, and I love that. That's basically what they did with this, this, uh, this take.
01:27:27 --> 01:28:02 Yes, to that point. That is what makes Magneto so great because he's the one who's showing the viewer. Have you noticed it's always something with these humans, right. Some sort of hatred towards somebody and I'm sick of it. And I'm like, yeah, man, I get that. I mean, there's still race issues. I wish there weren't. There should have never been. There still are. There's the gender inequality and then all of the various social issues that we're going with, the things that this show is alluding to. And then there's just magneto who's like, come on, guys.
01:28:02 --> 01:28:08 What, always something. Yeah. Nobody. Always. Every time you take a step forward, there's always two steps back.
01:28:08 --> 01:28:10 It's, it's tribalism. Right.
01:28:11 --> 01:28:18 And again, to clarify the, it's always something with these people. I mean, it's, it's always something with the people in the majority.
01:28:18 --> 01:28:19 Yes.
01:28:19 --> 01:28:22 They always gotta find something to hate on, so.
01:28:22 --> 01:28:22 Yep.
01:28:22 --> 01:28:22 Right.
01:28:22 --> 01:28:59 Anyway, it's, it's such a brilliant show. And Magneto, I still think is the main character of the show and I love it. And then to reconnect him with Charles in the finales and in the restaurant or the pub setting that they knew each other with the tidewaters raging and surrounding the place and then leaking in and then Charles kind of breaking his one rule about not wanting to use his powers to actually change somebody's mind and rewire them, I mean, I think we're going to get onslaught. I won't get into that because that's a whole other thing as well. There's that for you, really. You like to be onslaught, okay, but.
01:28:59 --> 01:29:04 Is that, what do you think it's going to be? Or think it's going to be apocalypse again? Because I mean, we're full spoiler cast. We're at the end, right?
01:29:04 --> 01:29:19 How many people did we get in this episode? I mean, maybe we're stretching it out. Maybe it was compartmentalized because they thought they didn't make it long, but this was just a proof that there's just, they're just smattering shit out there. I could see apocalypse and onslaught being the problem.
01:29:19 --> 01:29:29 Was definitely the villain of this series. Sorry. GP. So I like when you talk big bad you. It doesn't get much bigger than apocalypse and on. Yeah. But I think did you know was.
01:29:29 --> 01:29:54 There, you saw Mister Sinister, you saw. Yeah, in the Sentinels and mega mold and all these guys and then, okay, you know, the guys that made the Sentinels. So you're just like, you're like, to bring back the whole we do reference again, you're like backtracking all these bad people to be like, who is it actually going to be? You thought, I mean, Magneto. We were waiting for Magneto to fucking lose his shit.
01:29:55 --> 01:29:58 When we got when we got to Trask, I'm like, okay, we're going to.
01:29:58 --> 01:30:01 Take care of the Sentinels and then it's going to be the guy.
01:30:01 --> 01:30:06 And then Trask is like, it's not me, I'm busy.
01:30:06 --> 01:30:21 I was watching, we talked about the Stinger at the end of the after credits and how the show ends. Before we get to that, couple other bullet points. I just want to get your quick takes on the Phoenix shows up. Anybody like that? Did anybody hate that? I have my opinions. I'll go laugh.
01:30:22 --> 01:30:34 I thought the Phoenix disappeared from Gene. I didn't realize part of it was still within Gene that she can call upon. I thought it was kind of over and done with that character's arc because they made such a big deal of that, leaving her body in the original show. But it's been so long.
01:30:34 --> 01:31:05 Yeah, but she, she bounces back and forth throughout the Phoenix and the comic books for quite a while. And I mean, she held that. She held the moniker for years and years and years. But it makes sense to me to just because again, we're smattering story arcs back into this. We're trying to keep these. I mean, she turns, she puts on her Marvel Gore costume towards the end of the series where she's, you know, where she was an X Factor when when they all left to join X Factor. So I wouldn't be surprised if X Factor becomes a thing too in the future with all the shit they were doing. So here's the thing, though.
01:31:05 --> 01:31:17 We don't know who the Phoenix was in the original cartoon. We don't know if it was Madeline Pryor, if it was Jean Grey, because we don't know at what point sinister captured them and did that. That also begs the question, are there two versions of the Phoenix force?
01:31:17 --> 01:31:18 Right?
01:31:18 --> 01:31:26 Does a part of the Phoenix force, occupy both. Or it's just one. I don't like how they brought back the Phoenix force for it to just be a 32nd, you know.
01:31:26 --> 01:31:37 Yeah, I'm also. I'm also kind of a little tired of, you know, I mean, Phoenix is a little bit of the village bicycle to me. It's like, we need.
01:31:37 --> 01:31:38 They do a lot, but it's.
01:31:38 --> 01:31:48 I know, I know. And it's comic books. I know, comic books and they do it, but at the same time, I'm like, okay, can we. Can we move on from, you know.
01:31:48 --> 01:31:49 Yeah, yes.
01:31:49 --> 01:31:53 Can we get. Can we get past Venom? We've already done Venom 1700 times.
01:31:53 --> 01:31:54 No, keep bringing Venom back.
01:31:55 --> 01:31:59 No, but bring him back, right? Stop the stuff of this horseshit. Stop playing with my emotions.
01:31:59 --> 01:32:04 Don't say that. The horse. The horse was great. The venom horse. Come on.
01:32:04 --> 01:32:26 Yeah, I'm with you, sinister, because, like, Gene's character always being the phoenix at the end of the character is not great. At least when this is show where Magneto went places, Cyclops went to the antihero almost for a point where almost thought he would return. But Gene defaults to the Phoenix in almost every iteration where it's this show or the movies with the younger cast character and even the original movies. Right. So I'm kind of over the Phoenix this point as well.
01:32:26 --> 01:32:36 The Phoenix, to me at this point is that annoying roommate you forget that lives under the stairs, or they're just like, oh, oh, you're still here. Hey, you guys are ordering pizza. I want some.
01:32:37 --> 01:32:38 Oh, you're still here.
01:32:38 --> 01:32:39 This guy's still here.
01:32:39 --> 01:32:41 And then eats the pizza and then is gone for a while.
01:32:42 --> 01:32:44 Totally boggarts everything, and then steps back.
01:32:44 --> 01:32:47 Into his room, sets the entire pizza on fire.
01:32:48 --> 01:33:02 Until next time. So the other thing I hated about it, I think I would have liked it more if the Phoenix had stuck around. But it saved her ass once, and then she's like, it's gone from me. And I'm like, well.
01:33:04 --> 01:33:06 Until next time.
01:33:07 --> 01:33:21 Can you imagine having erectile dysfunction? And then at the worst time, like at a funeral, let's say you're like, it's gone. And then, you know, your wife's like, okay, let's get you over to the closet and take care of this. And you're like, oh, it's gone.
01:33:21 --> 01:33:26 Honey, honey, honey. My super. My superpowers returned. We have the Phoenix again.
01:33:28 --> 01:33:32 Can you not just go back to the Goblin queen, please? Can you go back to the Goblin queen for a night?
01:33:33 --> 01:33:39 You know, everybody was complaining about the animation on rogue, they did not realize the goblin queen was going to make an appearance.
01:33:40 --> 01:33:47 That's true. We lost the butt crack, but we got the goblin queen. Yeah, that was a choice they made.
01:33:47 --> 01:33:49 Goblin deeds.
01:33:51 --> 01:34:12 Okay, another bullet point I want to discuss, and this can just be a quick one. Cyclops. At the very end, the final battle, they used his Marvel versus Capcom giant super optic blast. Did you guys catch that? How fucking great that was? I thought that was wonderful. Yeah, I really do. They've made him so tortured in this.
01:34:12 --> 01:34:15 Episode, and it makes me kind of hate him, honestly.
01:34:16 --> 01:34:19 I think he's. I think he's great, but he's definitely fallen on some.
01:34:19 --> 01:34:29 I'm so tired of the. I'm so tired of the angsty Cyclops that's always just like. Like he has resting piss face.
01:34:30 --> 01:34:31 Wow.
01:34:31 --> 01:34:32 Well.
01:34:34 --> 01:34:49 See, where Wolverine's like, I'm glad. I'm glad you're a leader. This is why you're leader. Or something like that, where even Wolverine at one point's like, all right. Yes. Your leader. Like, you just demonstrate. When he blasts the entire lawn of sentinels, I think Wolverine's like, okay, I'm stepping off instead of picking a fight with him.
01:34:49 --> 01:34:53 Well, that was pretty good, star, you tell me how good you feel. If your eyes were the windows to.
01:34:53 --> 01:34:56 Punch land, I would probably love it.
01:34:56 --> 01:34:57 I'm not sure.
01:34:58 --> 01:35:01 There are so many people I love punchline. There are so many people I would.
01:35:02 --> 01:35:02 Yeah.
01:35:03 --> 01:35:04 He never takes his glasses off.
01:35:05 --> 01:35:08 Can I have this? Yeah.
01:35:09 --> 01:35:41 Okay, here's another quick question. This is something that stuck with me. And maybe you guys can educate me because you were all smarter than I am. Typically, Wolverine has a faster healing factor without the adamantium. The adamantium is, in fact, poisonous. So for that to be ripped out of him and then for him to still be, like, out of the game, catatonic on the sidelines, which is very poignant with morph, which I thought was very, very cool. Wouldn't he have healed faster from that?
01:35:41 --> 01:35:52 I mean, how fast is fast if you. If you had an animantium skeleton and it was ripped out of your body? Like, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna need a minute.
01:35:52 --> 01:36:02 Yeah. And I argue that surviving that period proves that, you know, he's got a pretty.
01:36:02 --> 01:36:13 Here's. Here's the nerd argument. When they put the skeleton on him, he healed up pretty damn quick. And that was with the addition of poison. Remove the poison. You think you.
01:36:13 --> 01:36:16 Because I don't know the canon on how fast.
01:36:17 --> 01:36:18 Let me get my timer out.
01:36:18 --> 01:36:21 Was it him? And we'll. Was it a week?
01:36:21 --> 01:36:22 Was it a week?
01:36:22 --> 01:36:24 Yeah, I mean, the difference of the day.
01:36:24 --> 01:36:24 Was it.
01:36:24 --> 01:36:29 I mean, they didn't have time to strap the diaper on Hugh Jackman. He just raged out and left.
01:36:29 --> 01:36:43 But in the cartoon, when he first gets. Gets a skeleton, they inject the. The adamantium into him. Right? So it's definitely a process. Whereas in this case, in seconds, magneto tears it through skin, flesh and just rips it out. Yeah, totally different thing.
01:36:43 --> 01:36:47 The guy's in tatters. The guys in tatters and needs to repair.
01:36:47 --> 01:36:52 He was in a bathtub. Now. He was just free Ballin and fucking got it ripped out of him right now. That's not cool.
01:36:52 --> 01:36:57 Okay, so I'm being too, too critical about that. You guys down?
01:36:57 --> 01:37:03 Sir, I'm not kidding. I think. I think there's a moment or like, hey, guys, I'm going to need five. Give me five.
01:37:03 --> 01:37:06 Hey, guys, you good for a minute?
01:37:06 --> 01:37:13 I can't talk. I can't talk because my entire face is ripped apart from, like, you know, but give me five.
01:37:14 --> 01:37:15 Does morphe's over here?
01:37:15 --> 01:37:21 Not bone claws exist, because Morph could give us the answer. We all want to know. He just has look.
01:37:21 --> 01:37:22 Bone claws, always ready.
01:37:23 --> 01:37:29 No, I don't think there's more need to know if there's bone claws to mimic it. Is that part of his powers?
01:37:29 --> 01:37:32 That's the thing. It's Schrodinger's claws.
01:37:32 --> 01:37:35 Schrodinger's claws. Thank you.
01:37:35 --> 01:37:37 Yeah. Who knows? I don't know.
01:37:37 --> 01:37:49 I imagine gp sitting there watching this and fucking, you know, magneto does the thing, rips all the elements out. Dudes, like half dead, and he goes, what a bitch.
01:37:50 --> 01:37:53 I was. I was believing every bit of this until just now. I'm out.
01:37:53 --> 01:37:55 Yeah, what a bitch.
01:37:55 --> 01:37:57 Look, walk it off. Rub some dirt on it.
01:37:57 --> 01:37:58 Yeah.
01:37:58 --> 01:38:01 Wolverine, you fucking jerk. God.
01:38:05 --> 01:38:32 I mean, here's my take on Morph, because honestly, Morph's power, I think, is actually, like, a little bit cannon breaking. And so you have to forgive a lot of things. Like, yeah, if he. If he can morph into the person and take on their abilities, like, does that mean that his vision absorbs, like, all of that person's abilities, like, through vision? Or. I mean, because it's. It's cannon breaking. Or does he have to touch him, like, rogue? Or does he have to, like.
01:38:32 --> 01:38:32 Right.
01:38:32 --> 01:38:53 I think there's a communication with, like, identifying genetics. Here's the. Here's the aesthetic part of that. If before Storm came back with her new outfit, and hairdo, if morphed. Morphed into storm, Morph would have morphed into the storm that he had last or they had last seen. Right. Morph would have no idea how. Storm's new stuff.
01:38:53 --> 01:38:54 Sure.
01:38:54 --> 01:38:58 So maybe. Maybe that's the answer about the bone claws more because I asked.
01:38:58 --> 01:39:02 Because, like, mystique can customize what she does for her power. She can assume form. She can get creative with it. Right.
01:39:03 --> 01:39:11 Well, it's different than with mystique. She can replicate the look of anything. But she doesn't have adamantium claws when she becomes Wolverine, which, yes.
01:39:11 --> 01:39:16 Yeah, we saw that. You know, she did that to him and got her fucking claws.
01:39:18 --> 01:39:31 My one takeaway from this conversation, my one takeaway from this conversation is we have given everybody that is nerding on this a nerd boner, because this is the conversation that they all have.
01:39:31 --> 01:39:35 Yeah, please bone away, nerds.
01:39:37 --> 01:39:43 The stinger. Because that's. That's pretty something to talk about. Because I like to talk about theories for next season before we.
01:39:45 --> 01:39:46 Show ends.
01:39:46 --> 01:40:04 Bastions probably dead. The three different teams are thrown across time and space. We see gambits, gambits coming back into bed. Nerd. We see a couple of them show up with what is presumably where cable was thrown into the far future as a child.
01:40:04 --> 01:40:04 Right.
01:40:04 --> 01:40:09 They lost him in the time stream with Bishop. And what's the third one? Or is it just those two?
01:40:10 --> 01:40:10 I think it's.
01:40:10 --> 01:40:17 Well, there's apocalypse. There's apocalypse in the desert, and there's cables future.
01:40:17 --> 01:40:21 Oh, and then there's past apocalypse before he becomes apocalypse.
01:40:21 --> 01:40:21 Right.
01:40:21 --> 01:40:23 He's got the flesh tone with the things.
01:40:24 --> 01:40:24 Yeah.
01:40:24 --> 01:40:28 And then there's the future one where he picks up the gambit card. No, that's present day.
01:40:28 --> 01:40:29 That's present day.
01:40:29 --> 01:40:35 Yeah, I thought they were just on dune and he was the, you know.
01:40:35 --> 01:40:40 So basically we ended up getting a past, we ended up getting the current, and we ended up getting a future.
01:40:40 --> 01:41:05 Yes, you're right. Yeah. The idea is apocalypse will raise up gambit probably in the second next season, and he's the new Horseman. And then you have it in the past working with what is basically apocalypse before he's evil. And in the future it's been a pox pocket one. And there's like a cult that cable was part of. And, yeah, it could be an interesting season. I just don't see roofer onslaught in that storyline. I just think it's me apocalypse through the entire thing.
01:41:09 --> 01:41:23 That's one thing the show showed us is you can you can get something condensed. It'd be cool if onslaught paid off in some sort of way, but I don't know. They'll spend too much time on it. But I think you don't set up the finale the way Charles and Magneto went through it without doing onslaught.
01:41:24 --> 01:41:24 True.
01:41:24 --> 01:41:24 Okay.
01:41:24 --> 01:41:29 I agree. If not. If not, maybe a stinger at the end of the second season. There you go.
01:41:30 --> 01:41:31 Set it up even more. That's fine.
01:41:31 --> 01:41:32 Exactly.
01:41:32 --> 01:41:33 That's what I thought.
01:41:34 --> 01:41:37 We focused on apocalypse for the first half of that.
01:41:37 --> 01:41:58 I kind of hope they pick a big bad and let us ride that train for the majority of the season. I hope they ship focus, shift focus away from Magneto for a while. They didn't so well in the first season. I would be okay if they, they picked up on somebody else. You know, let Cyclops be an un leader. You know what I mean? Like, huh?
01:41:58 --> 01:41:59 An unfettered leader.
01:41:59 --> 01:42:08 Yeah. Let him just do his thing and come into his own anyway. But that's, that's me. I'm up for whatever they got planned.
01:42:08 --> 01:42:08 Sure.
01:42:08 --> 01:42:10 Yeah. I think either way.
01:42:10 --> 01:42:17 Yeah. I think the proof is that this, this, if it has the same quality in season two, it's going to be well worth it.
01:42:17 --> 01:42:27 Oh, yeah. Without a doubt. And I don't know when season two is coming out, but I hope it's not next year. I hope it's the end of this year, 2026. I'm a very impatient person.
01:42:27 --> 01:42:29 Yeah, let's not severance this.
01:42:29 --> 01:42:33 Yeah, let's not severance this. I need to go back and finish everything. By the way.
01:42:33 --> 01:42:40 Wait, wait. Wait until season two comes out. Trust me. That is one of the worst cliffhangers I have ever seen.
01:42:40 --> 01:42:48 Well, okay. Also, is, is the next season of X Men 97 going to be X Men 98 or X Men 97? Season two or just, if they have.
01:42:48 --> 01:42:56 Any balls, they'll make it 98 and keep it. Keep it going because there's no way they can put all that adventure in one fucking year. There's no way they have to change it every time.
01:42:56 --> 01:43:03 Okay, so all in all, final impressions, I loved it. 9.2 out of ten.
01:43:03 --> 01:43:07 I would give it. I would give it a solid nine.
01:43:07 --> 01:43:08 Okay.
01:43:11 --> 01:43:19 8.75. Only because. Only because episode four and three almost lost. Almost lost me.
01:43:19 --> 01:43:21 Oh, see, three. Three was the horror episode and I.
01:43:21 --> 01:43:25 Was fucking full in guy. So four.
01:43:25 --> 01:43:29 Four is. Four is a walk away. I could watch the season and just skip it.
01:43:30 --> 01:43:30 Yeah.
01:43:31 --> 01:44:33 I give it four adamantium claws out of six. Okay. If we didn't have to see Charles up in fucking space with his space wifu. I could have done without any of that shit. I really could have. I was just like, what in the hell is this episode? You just had one of the most dramatic endings to, like, mutant kind on the island. Magneto's possibly dead. Gambit sacrifices life. Oh, now we're in space, talking with our space honey, and I've got dockers that are too stiff. I don't. I just could not. I could not ride along with that. And then you come back down, and then everything's. Then it gets back. Kick ass. And again, it was just such a weird, like, I take the mojo episode, even though that one was totally, like, weird and off kilter. Yeah, over that one. Because at least there was some action and there was mojo, and Jubilee was coming in her own and whatever, with sunspot and all that shit. But then, like, Charles. Charles in space. It's silly. I didn't care for it at all.
01:44:33 --> 01:44:47 But they have the show that said of X Men, though, because that's where Cyclops, his dad is. Isn't he. Isn't he one of those space people? I can't remember what the name is. Sun Jammers, I think, is that they're called. His dad is something weird from space, like a guardians of the galaxy type of situation. That's where that comes from.
01:44:49 --> 01:44:52 Is that what it is? It sounds like a sailboat.
01:44:53 --> 01:44:59 He's jamming all the magnets. He's jamming all the magnetic rays from the sun.
01:44:59 --> 01:45:01 Fucking check my mind palace. Don't. Don't you fucking.
01:45:01 --> 01:45:02 No, it's in there. I'm sure.
01:45:02 --> 01:45:03 For sure.
01:45:03 --> 01:45:05 That's what it is. It just. It sounds like a sun jammer.
01:45:05 --> 01:45:13 So, like something from it. Yeah. Which also sounds like a child's beverage that comes in a silver sun jammers.
01:45:13 --> 01:45:16 Caprice does name is Corsair.
01:45:16 --> 01:45:18 Christmas summers.
01:45:18 --> 01:45:24 And say the name. Please say the name of the team, for fuck's sakes. Star jammers. Star jammers.
01:45:24 --> 01:45:27 You were way. And I will never forget.
01:45:27 --> 01:45:28 What was he?
01:45:28 --> 01:45:32 Sun is a star. I mean.
01:45:32 --> 01:45:36 Yeah. What are we, monsters? Of course the sun is a star.
01:45:37 --> 01:45:41 Is a very specific star. These guys will jam multiple stars as they see.
01:45:41 --> 01:45:45 You know what stars.
01:45:45 --> 01:45:50 Yeah, you know what? Every star is a very specific star.
01:45:52 --> 01:46:02 I. Yeah, no, your logic is. Is sound, but there. I apologize. Okay, right. Real quick.
01:46:02 --> 01:46:05 Here, here. Known as the Jammers.
01:46:05 --> 01:46:07 Yeah. Just colloquially, we're the Jammers.
01:46:07 --> 01:46:08 The jammy Jammers.
01:46:08 --> 01:46:11 Just the jammers. Jammy Jammers. The jam jams.
01:46:11 --> 01:46:21 Not to be conserved with our competitors. It preserves. Okay, so let's go around, tell everybody what you're up to, where they can find you. Sick. Jake, what's up?
01:46:22 --> 01:46:35 He's jamming. You know, I'm right here. I've been playing a lot of Alan Wake. Chardon are going to do some episodes of now the wake in the very near future. That game is great. I should have played it years ago. Apologies for my voice. I am very, very sick. But hopefully I feel better next week.
01:46:35 --> 01:46:40 Sick of sick is still better than my sexiest voice at any point in my life.
01:46:40 --> 01:46:40 He's right.
01:46:40 --> 01:46:44 Except that it sneeze. The sneeze is definitely not sexy. Ask my wife.
01:46:45 --> 01:46:48 Mister Sinistar. What you have to. Where can people find you?
01:46:49 --> 01:47:16 So I've been doing the DJ thing. I now have a second twitch account. DJ Spinistar. This guy Chard actually gave me the name. So I went ahead and created a discount. I just got affiliate on that account, so come hang out. Congratulations. Thank you. And so, yeah, I do. Currently I'm doing Mondays and Tuesdays, although it'll probably become just Tuesdays. 630 mountain time.
01:47:17 --> 01:47:24 Okay. If I show up, could you commit to doing a full set of tears for fears?
01:47:25 --> 01:47:36 I could do at least a set of tears for fears. I don't know what a full set is. We can. We can work on definitions, but if you show up, I will do. You were working as a waitress at a cocktail.
01:47:37 --> 01:47:46 Okay. Love it. I love it. And I love the DJ spinnister. I'll pop over and then, uh, Mister Chard Monk, are you at work?
01:47:46 --> 01:47:53 I'm actually going to change my name to Chinchilla Duke to go with the. The animal and the royalty animal.
01:47:54 --> 01:47:54 Yeah, bring it back.
01:47:54 --> 01:49:22 Yeah, it's chinchilla Duke at Twitch TV. No, I'm. We're gonna do elden ring. I've been playing elden ring. And we're gonna get back into that for the Erdtree DLC. And then in the spirit of the MCU, there is this little known thing that's becoming a thing that's called the RCU, which is the remedy. Connected universe. That's what you means. So it's basically Alan wake control, quantum break, all had, all are getting married together. And then they released a DLC recently. And Al awake to that has the character Jesse Phaedon from Control as one of the playable characters as well as the main character from Quantum Break. So there's a whole how do you do? I'm interested to see what the lore is and how it goes. So we're going to go down that rabbit hole once we're done with Erdtree and we're going to do Alan Wake Quantum break control Quantum break two or Alan Wake two and dlcs that go with it. I have played Alan Wake in the past. I didn't stream it. I played it quietly to myself, like Jake's doing right now. So I already know, like, what's going on with that, but I want to take everybody along with me for the ride. So that is the plan. So that's. That's what I got coming up here in the near future. It'll probably change, though, because you know me, I cannot hold to any of my promises. Just ask my wife. The power is gone from me.
01:49:25 --> 01:49:59 Gone for me. Nice. Well done. And I'm GP for press me to cancel. You can pretty much find me here. Yeah, check us out anywhere you find your podcast, press me to cancel. Thank you, everybody, for playing along as this rather admittedly homogenous group of guys talked about things that were very much outside of our scope and realm. We appreciate any grace for anything we may have mislabeled, but hopefully you understand our hearts were in the right supportive places. So, yeah, once again, we are press b to cancel. Remember it.
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