Geek Addicts - Episode 53: The Lost Pilot Episodes #3: Talking Books!

[00:00:00] Hey guys, Bill here again. Just wanted to give a little preface before this episode of Geek Addicts. This is another one of the Lost Pilot Episodes that we had initially done before we had officially, like, before we had actually started and finalized what Geek Addicts was going to be. This was recorded back in 2022, pretty early on. Similar to the previous two episodes, audio's a little rough. It was a very rough recording, kind of just to test things out and weren't sure what we were going to do with it first.

[00:00:31] This one is on our favorite books. So we're talking, basically it's part of the same conversation, just talking about books this time. So forewarning, a little rough audio, couldn't do anything about that. Mostly just wanted to share this with everybody. Anyways guys, on with the episode.

[00:00:52] The following is a GNC Podcast Production. Geek Addicts, a pop culture podcast.

[00:01:29] All right, so this one's a little bit more my realm of expertise for the most part is books because I'm constantly reading and Bill can attest to that because we work together and he, I pretty much spend all my break time reading, so.

[00:01:40] I used to read a lot, but then I had kids.

[00:01:43] It's kind of hard now.

[00:01:44] Yeah.

[00:01:45] Because we've both been demoted to the inspection room.

[00:01:47] Well, I'm in, I'm in shipping now.

[00:01:49] Yeah, for now. Who knows what's going to happen.

[00:01:51] Yeah, well, I mean, at least yesterday they had a bunch of work, so. I mean, hopefully that'll last a while.

[00:01:57] I hope so. It's scary, but anyways.

[00:02:00] Yeah.

[00:02:00] Yeah, let's not get depressing guys. Jeez.

[00:02:02] Well, we didn't say nothing about it. We just said we were in different departments.

[00:02:05] Oh, it makes me depressed.

[00:02:06] Oh, I thought you were talking about the whole...

[00:02:09] And to be fair, Cindy, if, if I didn't have that time on my breaks at work, I wouldn't be reading as much either. It's just, I have that, that like hour a day where I can read, so.

[00:02:20] I just miss it.

[00:02:21] That's what I do.

[00:02:21] But like sleep, I used to read at night a lot, but now sleep is so valuable.

[00:02:25] Yeah, no kidding.

[00:02:27] At least we got lucky because Frankie really doesn't...

[00:02:30] Yeah, she's good.

[00:02:31] She sleeps through the night good for the most part.

[00:02:32] But it's also just I don't have to wake up early and I don't do mornings.

[00:02:35] For a four month old and she started sleeping through the night like that at about two months.

[00:02:40] Well, it's funny because reading is interesting to me because back in the day when you had all the time in the world to read, you never wanted to.

[00:02:47] Well, I mean, you probably didn't.

[00:02:48] I did.

[00:02:49] I was always reading.

[00:02:50] See, my thing was...

[00:02:51] I did not make friends very well.

[00:02:53] Yeah, me neither.

[00:02:53] I didn't either, but I also was...

[00:02:55] It's because I was the video game guy, but...

[00:02:57] I also got grounded a lot, so reading was one of the few activities I was allowed to do.

[00:03:01] See, my problem was I could never get...

[00:03:03] I never...

[00:03:04] I didn't discover books that I actually enjoyed because I'm one of the few people who couldn't get into Harry Potter.

[00:03:09] Fucking what?

[00:03:10] Not because I didn't like it, it just didn't appeal to me.

[00:03:12] That's fair.

[00:03:13] I mean, we've had this conversation before.

[00:03:14] You're more of a sci-fi guy rather than fantasy.

[00:03:17] Sci-fi...

[00:03:17] I mean, well, fantasy kind of...

[00:03:20] It depends on the medium.

[00:03:21] To me, I have a hard time...

[00:03:23] My problem is I have a hard time visualizing the words.

[00:03:26] That's fair.

[00:03:26] Oh, see, I'm very good at...

[00:03:27] Well, I remember we had a conversation once because you said you either never watched or never particularly enjoyed The Lord of the Rings.

[00:03:34] That's just never been my thing, to be honest.

[00:03:36] Yeah.

[00:03:36] Well, I mean, that's like the apex of fantasy.

[00:03:39] See, it's not even that.

[00:03:41] I'm not a big fan of Western-style fantasy.

[00:03:43] I like Eastern fantasy.

[00:03:45] That's fair.

[00:03:45] Like Japan and stuff.

[00:03:46] I kind of...

[00:03:47] It's all a taste thing, really.

[00:03:50] Because it's mostly...

[00:03:51] It was just kind of that thing.

[00:03:52] I have a hard time visualizing.

[00:03:54] My problem is my attention is very hard to keep on something unless I'm very engaged with it.

[00:04:00] That's fair.

[00:04:00] And reading's always been tough.

[00:04:02] There are...

[00:04:03] You'd have a hard time reading Lord of the Rings, too, then.

[00:04:05] Because he's very descriptive.

[00:04:07] Actually, I think it was...

[00:04:09] I heard this once in the Rooster Teeth podcast.

[00:04:11] Because Gus, who's one of the main guys there, he's been there since the beginning,

[00:04:15] was talking about how he was going through Lord of the Rings again.

[00:04:18] And the way he described it...

[00:04:20] I'm not sure if he was quoting somebody else or not.

[00:04:22] But he said something like,

[00:04:24] Tolkien's the kind of guy who will write a full chapter describing a loaf of bread

[00:04:30] and about a paragraph describing an epic battle.

[00:04:33] So...

[00:04:34] See, it felt like something was said like that about Stephen King once, too.

[00:04:37] Yeah, but Tolkien's way worse.

[00:04:39] I mean, Stephen King...

[00:04:39] Oh, he is, yeah.

[00:04:40] Stephen King is very descriptive with his words, but like...

[00:04:43] I love it.

[00:04:43] Stephen King's also just like...

[00:04:45] Before his accident where he kind of like...

[00:04:47] Got like, kind of like, whatever is going on there.

[00:04:50] Well, I've been on this quest for a couple years now to read all of Stephen King's book

[00:04:55] in the order of publication because of the way they all tie together and how, like, the

[00:04:59] kinds of ways that, like, he'll reference his other works and stuff.

[00:05:02] But I wanted to catch those kinds of references.

[00:05:04] Ironically, when we were trying to pick up the books for this, I had a brain part and forgot

[00:05:07] Stephen King because he's actually one of the few people I can read.

[00:05:09] Yeah, well, I mean, he's not on my top three.

[00:05:12] But that's because these particular three that I picked have been with me since I was a kid.

[00:05:16] I didn't start reading Stephen King until I was an adult.

[00:05:19] But I do read a lot of Stephen King.

[00:05:21] And at this point, I am at about the late 90s as to where his books were.

[00:05:27] Like, going on to publication, I'm about the late 90s.

[00:05:30] The last one I read was Dark Tower 4, which Dark Tower series is really, really good.

[00:05:34] That one...

[00:05:35] I love The Stand.

[00:05:36] That's like my favorite.

[00:05:36] The Stand is great.

[00:05:37] Actually, the Dark Tower ties in with The Stand very heavily.

[00:05:41] Because that random flag is a big part of it.

[00:05:44] But you actually, you might like the Dark Tower.

[00:05:47] I don't know...

[00:05:48] I'll have to get into it.

[00:05:48] I don't know what you mean.

[00:05:51] Because I know you say Western as in, like, Western Earth.

[00:05:54] So when I say...

[00:05:55] Western real life.

[00:05:57] Not like spaghetti Western.

[00:05:59] No, not.

[00:05:59] I think more like America, like Europe.

[00:06:03] When I say Western, I think like that.

[00:06:05] Because when I say Eastern, I'm...

[00:06:06] English-speaking world.

[00:06:07] Yes.

[00:06:07] I think like Japan.

[00:06:09] Which might sound conceited, or however you want to say that.

[00:06:13] Self-absorbed.

[00:06:14] I don't know.

[00:06:14] See, I say...

[00:06:15] The way...

[00:06:15] The reason I say that was because I'm a video game guy, and I think like JRPG, Western

[00:06:19] RPG.

[00:06:19] That's fair.

[00:06:20] That's fair.

[00:06:21] Because technically, I don't really use Eastern.

[00:06:22] I usually just say like J.

[00:06:25] Because JRPG, then Western RPGs.

[00:06:27] Yeah, that's true.

[00:06:28] But the Dark Tower...

[00:06:30] The way Stephen King, like in his four words or whatever for his books...

[00:06:35] His ones for Dark Tower, he was talking about how he wanted to write a big long epic.

[00:06:39] Similar to Lord of the Rings, because he was wicked in the Lord of the Rings when he

[00:06:42] was younger.

[00:06:42] He wanted to write a story like that, but he decided that that particular style wasn't

[00:06:46] really him.

[00:06:47] Yeah.

[00:06:47] So he wanted to try and figure out what it is he wanted to do with his fantasy series,

[00:06:52] and then he saw the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly in theaters.

[00:06:54] And then he decided he wanted a fantasy type story like Lord of the Rings set in a spaghetti

[00:07:00] western, like the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.

[00:07:02] And that's kind of what the series is like, but the world that they live in, like the world

[00:07:08] that takes place is very much like the style of the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly, but with

[00:07:13] a lot of fantasy elements to it.

[00:07:15] Yeah.

[00:07:15] My main character's a gunslinger, I mean, you know, and they're kind of like the peacekeepers.

[00:07:21] It honestly, I'd have to give a lot away to describe what it's about.

[00:07:26] I get you there.

[00:07:27] It plays a lot with alternate worlds and stuff like that too.

[00:07:30] Yeah.

[00:07:30] The Dark Tower is basically like the nexus of all of Stephen King's works.

[00:07:35] They all tie together with the Dark Tower in some way, shape, or form.

[00:07:38] See, I swear most of my bias towards reading comes from school summer reading.

[00:07:44] I'm not sure if that's like a world thing or just an American thing, but um.

[00:07:47] I think it depends.

[00:07:49] I just, I always have that bias because schools would give you the summer reading, the aid

[00:07:52] to reading.

[00:07:52] My problem with summer reading isn't so much the whole you have to read a book during

[00:07:55] the summer.

[00:07:56] It was that the selection that they required you to pick was always.

[00:07:59] You should be able to pick your own.

[00:08:00] Yeah, exactly.

[00:08:01] As long as you're reading, that's the important thing.

[00:08:03] Because they always give you the selection.

[00:08:04] Well, it's because they want to have a standardized like test and shit.

[00:08:07] Yeah.

[00:08:08] Which sucks because the book selections always suck.

[00:08:11] I got lucky one year with summer reading because I didn't do summer reading at all that

[00:08:16] year.

[00:08:16] I never did.

[00:08:17] But when I looked at the list of books, one of the books that was on the summer reading,

[00:08:21] like the options you had to pick from, was Harry Potter 7, which I literally went to

[00:08:25] the overnight book release at Borders for.

[00:08:28] Like, that's how much I wanted to read it.

[00:08:30] That's a name that we haven't heard in a while.

[00:08:32] Dude, do you have any idea how much time I spent at Borders?

[00:08:34] I spent a lot of time there too, but I was usually looking at the comics.

[00:08:37] I did that too.

[00:08:38] But just in general, I loved going to Borders.

[00:08:41] It's funny, down in Connecticut...

[00:08:43] When I was in middle school, I used to get my Naruto mangas from there.

[00:08:46] Yeah.

[00:08:47] Well, we're in New England, so up here, we don't really...

[00:08:50] In Massachusetts anyways, you don't really have like...

[00:08:52] Bookstores really aren't a thing around here anymore.

[00:08:55] No, you gotta drive a ways if you want to find like a Barnes and Nobles or something.

[00:08:58] Well, it's funny.

[00:08:58] Connecticut, they're everywhere.

[00:09:00] Really?

[00:09:00] There's like three of them near Alex.

[00:09:01] We go to them every time I visit.

[00:09:03] No kidding.

[00:09:03] It's just not the same because it's like at Borders, I used to go there and sit down

[00:09:08] in my little corner.

[00:09:09] You gotta coffee at that little cafe.

[00:09:10] I love the chairs.

[00:09:11] Yeah.

[00:09:12] Because remember there was like private ones like in the middle of the aisles and stuff,

[00:09:15] like a secret library.

[00:09:17] Kitten.

[00:09:17] You could read in private.

[00:09:19] Kitten, dude.

[00:09:20] That's not...

[00:09:21] Have a coffee and...

[00:09:21] Why are you walking there?

[00:09:22] Fuck the kitten.

[00:09:25] And then I'd like...

[00:09:27] I don't know.

[00:09:27] I miss that.

[00:09:28] Oh, it's so good.

[00:09:29] Yeah.

[00:09:29] I actually...

[00:09:31] Do you remember when we went to P-Town to go visit Chester?

[00:09:34] Yeah.

[00:09:34] And we found that bookstore.

[00:09:36] It was like an old style house.

[00:09:39] I love just like independent bookstores.

[00:09:42] They don't exist anymore.

[00:09:43] Oh, this one was amazing.

[00:09:44] Yeah.

[00:09:44] It was like this little hidden...

[00:09:45] You like walk down this little path that had like a little like wooden bridge type thing.

[00:09:49] And there's a house, a little tiny like cottage looking house set back.

[00:09:53] And you walk in and it smells like old book.

[00:09:56] You know that smell.

[00:09:56] Every wall was lined with bookshelves.

[00:09:58] Every single wall.

[00:09:59] And they were all old books.

[00:10:00] Everything just stacked.

[00:10:01] There were piles of books.

[00:10:01] It was amazing.

[00:10:03] It was great.

[00:10:14] I'm terrified because all I can think of is that.

[00:10:17] Oh my God.

[00:10:18] What was that movie?

[00:10:20] Fuck.

[00:10:20] Page Master.

[00:10:21] That's the one.

[00:10:22] Oh, Page Master.

[00:10:22] I haven't seen that in years.

[00:10:24] We watched it a couple years ago, I think.

[00:10:26] Yeah.

[00:10:26] I love that movie.

[00:10:28] That was when I realized that like a bunch of actors that I know were in it.

[00:10:31] Like Patrick Stewart, Leonard Nimoy.

[00:10:34] Isn't that Whoopi Goldberg?

[00:10:35] Whoopi Goldberg.

[00:10:36] Yeah, she was one of the books.

[00:10:37] Yeah, Patrick Stewart was another one of them.

[00:10:39] I don't remember who was the last one.

[00:10:41] It wasn't Leonard Nimoy, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.

[00:10:44] I think so.

[00:10:45] I can't remember.

[00:10:46] It was good.

[00:10:46] And what's his base?

[00:10:48] The fucking librarian was...

[00:10:51] Doc.

[00:10:52] Yeah, Dr. Brown.

[00:10:54] What the fuck's his name?

[00:10:56] I don't know.

[00:10:57] Christopher Lloyd.

[00:10:58] Christopher Lloyd.

[00:10:59] That's the one.

[00:11:00] More cowbell.

[00:11:01] Yeah.

[00:11:02] So anyways...

[00:11:03] No, that's Christopher Walken.

[00:11:04] Oh, no, no.

[00:11:05] That's Christopher Walken.

[00:11:06] Right.

[00:11:07] Christopher Lloyd.

[00:11:08] There's too many names.

[00:11:09] A lot of Christopher's out there.

[00:11:11] So Cindy.

[00:11:11] Hi.

[00:11:12] What are your top three books?

[00:11:14] Harry Potter.

[00:11:15] Of course.

[00:11:15] Series.

[00:11:17] Inkheart.

[00:11:18] Mostly Inkheart.

[00:11:20] I read that...

[00:11:21] Especially that first book.

[00:11:22] I read a lot when I was a kid.

[00:11:24] A million times, yeah.

[00:11:24] Like, that book just...

[00:11:26] I'll never forget the first time I read it.

[00:11:27] It was like...

[00:11:28] I was in that world.

[00:11:30] Like, just the way that it brought you in.

[00:11:33] I love the concept.

[00:11:34] At the time in my life, like, that was my dream come true.

[00:11:38] Mm-hmm.

[00:11:39] Was like, books coming up, being in that world.

[00:11:41] Like, it was amazing.

[00:11:43] Have you ever...

[00:11:43] Do you know anything about that series?

[00:11:45] No.

[00:11:46] No.

[00:11:46] Basically, the story is about this little girl.

[00:11:49] Well, it's about her and her father.

[00:11:50] And they have this power where if they read out loud from a book, they will, like, essentially

[00:11:57] open the door to the world of that book.

[00:11:59] Okay.

[00:12:00] And things can be put into the book or taken out of the book.

[00:12:03] Like, generally, it'll be like a swap.

[00:12:05] Mm-hmm.

[00:12:05] And the way the whole story starts is when she was really little, he was reading out loud

[00:12:11] to her and his wife.

[00:12:12] Okay.

[00:12:13] And his wife and their two cats got sucked into the book.

[00:12:16] And two villains and one, I guess you would call them an antihero, got thrown out.

[00:12:20] Mm-hmm.

[00:12:20] And that kind of sets the whole series of events going forward.

[00:12:24] It sounds familiar.

[00:12:24] And then, like, later they go into the book and stuff.

[00:12:26] It sounds familiar.

[00:12:27] I just...

[00:12:28] What's this?

[00:12:28] It was a movie with Brendan Fraser.

[00:12:30] Brendan Fraser.

[00:12:31] He did the movie.

[00:12:31] He played the dad.

[00:12:33] And he read it.

[00:12:34] Yeah, he read the second book in the audiobook version.

[00:12:38] But anyways...

[00:12:39] Which he did a really good job of that.

[00:12:40] If anybody likes that series and has that one around.

[00:12:43] The book or the movie?

[00:12:44] The book.

[00:12:45] Oh, God.

[00:12:46] I have no idea.

[00:12:47] Was it, like, the 2000s?

[00:12:49] Or was it 90s?

[00:12:49] I think it came out in the 90s.

[00:12:51] I'm not 100%.

[00:12:51] It was, um...

[00:12:52] Where did it...

[00:12:53] It was Italian, wasn't it?

[00:12:54] I have no idea.

[00:12:55] I just remember...

[00:12:56] The woman who wrote it, I believe, was from Italy.

[00:12:58] When did I get it?

[00:12:59] I don't remember when I wrote it.

[00:13:00] Because it takes place in, like, the Italy area, I believe.

[00:13:03] Yeah, it seems like it.

[00:13:05] Maybe it started there.

[00:13:06] Her name was Cornelia...

[00:13:07] Cornelia Funk.

[00:13:08] Or Funke.

[00:13:09] I don't know.

[00:13:11] Funke.

[00:13:11] I don't know.

[00:13:13] Something like that.

[00:13:14] And Harry Potter speaks for itself.

[00:13:15] Well, yeah.

[00:13:16] I mean, Harry Potter is just one of those...

[00:13:17] I'm one of the rare people who didn't get into it, but...

[00:13:20] I read the second book.

[00:13:21] I don't know why I read the second book.

[00:13:22] Chamber of Secrets is one of my favorites, both the book and the movie.

[00:13:25] See, actually, no, I think that was one of those, like, school assignments where I gave

[00:13:28] in and read the book, because for some reason we got Harry Potter 2, and I just remember

[00:13:32] I actually read it.

[00:13:33] I was like, it wasn't bad.

[00:13:34] But I had, like, no desire to read another one.

[00:13:36] Well, see, my aunt across the street, she had never really gotten into Harry Potter.

[00:13:41] Like, I think she has a couple of the books, like, the early ones that she might have read.

[00:13:45] It's kind of cringe now, but my whole reasoning was it was too popular for me at the time,

[00:13:49] so I was like, I'm going to be the edgy kid.

[00:13:52] The hipster.

[00:13:52] The edgy.

[00:13:53] I hate everything.

[00:13:54] See, my thing was that, like, it started when I was very little, and I was reading really

[00:13:59] early, so, like, I read through and grew up with those books.

[00:14:05] I watched the first two movies, and then I got into the book.

[00:14:08] Um, see, I was already reading them, because by the time Prisoner of Aztec Band had come

[00:14:13] out, I had already read the book, so I know that I had seen the first two movies, and then

[00:14:17] after that I read up to whatever point they were at.

[00:14:21] Yeah, because I was more, I was like, when everyone was talking about Harry Potter, I

[00:14:25] was the guy that was like, I'm playing Final Fantasy.

[00:14:27] Yeah.

[00:14:28] Which I just played Seven for the first time.

[00:14:32] What?

[00:14:33] It was Christmas?

[00:14:34] And it's March now, so it was three months ago.

[00:14:37] And I just beat it maybe three or four weeks ago, I think.

[00:14:41] Yeah.

[00:14:42] Oh, so my third book would be Eye of the Dragon, maybe the little Steven King.

[00:14:47] Eye of the Dragon.

[00:14:48] Yeah.

[00:14:49] Which, again, also very heavily ties into the Dark Tower.

[00:14:52] Actually, the book you said, The Stand, and the book you said, Eyes of the Dragon, both

[00:14:56] have the same villain.

[00:14:57] Yeah.

[00:14:57] Yeah.

[00:14:59] Ironically enough.

[00:15:00] I always remember watching The Stand miniseries, too.

[00:15:03] We watched that one recently.

[00:15:04] We have it on VHS, actually.

[00:15:05] What's weird about Eye of the Dragon is like, all my life, I have always had this fantasy

[00:15:11] story that I've known in my head.

[00:15:14] Some things will remind me of it, but I can't figure out where it's from.

[00:15:17] And I decided to read Eye of the Dragon two years ago.

[00:15:22] Yeah, because your aunt had given me that book for Christmas.

[00:15:24] It was an original first print.

[00:15:27] An original first print, yeah.

[00:15:29] And I read it, and I realized that, like, that was the story that I've had in my head

[00:15:33] my whole life.

[00:15:34] I've always known the story, so I asked my mom about it, and they used to read it to

[00:15:38] me when I was, like, a little kid and a baby.

[00:15:40] And, like, I've just always known it in my head.

[00:15:42] It's so weird.

[00:15:43] They definitely cut certain parts out when they were reading it to you.

[00:15:45] Oh, absolutely, because there's a few parts out.

[00:15:48] There's this whole part where the king who ends up dying partway through the book is,

[00:15:53] like, trying to convince his virgin wife to have sex with them.

[00:15:57] That's a big thing.

[00:15:57] He's, like, describing it.

[00:15:58] He's using this, like, weird metaphor about, like, putting his horse in the stable or something.

[00:16:03] Yeah, it's so weird.

[00:16:04] Something like that.

[00:16:04] It's amazing how many books go into that territory.

[00:16:07] Yeah.

[00:16:08] Just casually.

[00:16:09] It's weird.

[00:16:09] But, like, I think my mom used to just tell me, like, the story, like, as, like, a bedtime

[00:16:14] story or something, because it's so profound in my memory and in my, like, imagination.

[00:16:19] Like, which is why books were always my thing, because my imagination, it's why I suffer

[00:16:23] from paranoia.

[00:16:24] Because my imagination is so vivid.

[00:16:27] It's probably why all of your picks are fantasy books.

[00:16:29] Exactly.

[00:16:31] Fantasy, magic, that kind of thing.

[00:16:32] Well, and I grew up with my parents doing Dungeon and Dragons with their friends and family

[00:16:36] on the weekends.

[00:16:37] Yeah, smoking a bunch of pot.

[00:16:38] Yeah, it's like...

[00:16:39] Playing Dungeons and Dragons and rock music.

[00:16:40] And drinking rock music.

[00:16:42] So, like, yeah.

[00:16:43] Or fantasy is definitely in my...

[00:16:44] Cypress Hill or something.

[00:16:45] Yeah, I had a weird...

[00:16:46] Which I don't think is...

[00:16:47] I still don't think I've heard your dad say Cypress Hill.

[00:16:49] I don't think the audience is ready for my upbringing yet.

[00:16:54] We'll get there.

[00:16:55] That's a future segment.

[00:16:56] It's a fun one.

[00:16:57] It's a fun one.

[00:16:58] Good old books.

[00:16:59] Oh, yeah.

[00:17:00] All right, so those are your three.

[00:17:02] You want to do a deadline real quick?

[00:17:03] Yeah, you can do yours.

[00:17:04] Yeah, we went on a few times on that.

[00:17:07] If I'm looking at yours...

[00:17:08] I know what Scott Pilgrim is.

[00:17:09] Sorry to kind of blow up your bubble there.

[00:17:11] But the other ones, I don't really think I know.

[00:17:13] Well, Scott Pilgrim's a bit of a cheat, because it's actually a visual novel.

[00:17:16] Yeah.

[00:17:17] Well, I mean, comic books count.

[00:17:18] Yeah.

[00:17:20] I mean, I keep a tally.

[00:17:22] I have been keeping a tally for the past few years of how many books I've read for the

[00:17:26] year, because I'm trying to keep my brain moving, no matter how much life comes around.

[00:17:30] I have a question.

[00:17:31] What?

[00:17:31] Is Scott Pilgrim like Scott Pilgrim, like the movie?

[00:17:34] Like the movie, yeah.

[00:17:35] Yeah, it's based off of...

[00:17:36] It was a comic book.

[00:17:37] I didn't know that.

[00:17:37] Yeah.

[00:17:37] Okay.

[00:17:37] It's based off a series of visual novels.

[00:17:39] That makes a lot of sense as to why it is the way it is.

[00:18:10] Yeah.

[00:18:12] They're all going to fight him.

[00:18:16] Yeah.

[00:18:16] To earn the right to date her.

[00:18:18] So wait, if they were to break up in the story, would he become the eighth evil boyfriend?

[00:18:22] So that's actually a plot point later on.

[00:18:24] That's amazing.

[00:18:25] Oh, that's what I'm saying.

[00:18:25] Because they do break up at one point.

[00:18:26] You don't own these comics, do you?

[00:18:28] Yeah, actually, I do.

[00:18:29] I'll let you borrow the black and white off.

[00:18:31] The black and whites.

[00:18:32] Because they had the black and white originals, and then there's the, they did a color release.

[00:18:36] Oh, okay.

[00:18:36] Yeah, because I'm actually really interested to see what the comic was like.

[00:18:40] Yeah, I'd read that.

[00:18:41] Next time I'm over, Brandon.

[00:18:43] Yeah, which reminds me, we still need to read those next-gen comics.

[00:18:45] I've read some of them, but I haven't read the whole thing.

[00:18:48] Yeah.

[00:18:48] Well, we've got to let him finish.

[00:18:49] But there's like, when I say it's based on video game logic, there's like random video game

[00:18:53] just references, because Scott's in a band, and the band's called Sex Bob-omb.

[00:18:57] Yep.

[00:18:58] Yeah.

[00:18:59] The whole joke is like, they have the band going on, and it's like, you follow Scott's

[00:19:03] like, what he's doing on a daily basis.

[00:19:06] There's like a point in the story where he defeats one of the evil exes who is a vegan,

[00:19:10] and he has psychic powers.

[00:19:12] Yeah, yeah, I remember that.

[00:19:14] Because vegan.

[00:19:14] I remember, because he, the actor, was, he was one of the main guys, he was in Arrow,

[00:19:20] I think, and then later on in Legends of Tomorrow.

[00:19:22] Yeah.

[00:19:24] I'd have to look, because there's a bunch of like actors.

[00:19:26] That's a great film.

[00:19:27] He had like a Mecca thing.

[00:19:28] That unfortunately nobody watched, but.

[00:19:30] The movie?

[00:19:31] Yeah, it bombed.

[00:19:32] Really?

[00:19:32] Yeah.

[00:19:33] I know tons of people who love it.

[00:19:34] A lot of people do.

[00:19:35] It's a cult classic, but it didn't do well in the theaters.

[00:19:38] I don't know how to believe it.

[00:19:39] There must have been some other big blockbuster at the same time.

[00:19:41] It was that, and it was just, no one went to see it.

[00:19:43] That's fair.

[00:19:44] But when he defeats the third evil exes, he gets a one-up.

[00:19:48] Like, he lives a little extra life.

[00:19:51] And it comes into play later when he dies in the story.

[00:19:54] Oh, you know what we didn't even think of for books?

[00:19:56] Huh?

[00:19:56] Ready Player One.

[00:19:57] I was just thinking that one.

[00:19:59] That was a good one.

[00:20:00] Did you, did you, I still haven't read that.

[00:20:01] Have you seen the movie at least?

[00:20:03] No.

[00:20:03] No?

[00:20:04] I mean, the book's way better than the movie either way.

[00:20:06] I've heard.

[00:20:06] It's one of those things where it's like, I'll get to it at some point.

[00:20:09] I just haven't been interested in reading.

[00:20:12] That's fair.

[00:20:13] I mean, Audible might be a good option for you.

[00:20:16] It's actually read by Will Wheaton, the first and second books.

[00:20:18] Okay.

[00:20:19] Which is interesting.

[00:20:20] Shut up, please.

[00:20:21] But, yes, your second pick?

[00:20:23] So, well, to finish Scott Pilgrim, though, it's pretty simple.

[00:20:25] It's only six volumes, and they, I mean, it's a comic, basically, so it goes by really fast.

[00:20:31] My second book, so I don't read a lot of books, but one I do have vivid memories of is the City of Ember series, which also had a movie adaption, which also nobody saw.

[00:20:42] Yeah, I've never heard of that.

[00:20:43] It's kind of, it's like a post-apocalyptic kind of storyline.

[00:20:46] Okay.

[00:20:46] Where it's about the world kind of, it's actually a little sketchy reading it now, because it's actually kind of, there's a lot of parallels to the world right now in it.

[00:20:55] But it's essentially, it's a world that, like, got wiped out by nukes.

[00:20:58] So they sent all the, they basically, they, you find it in the third book, which is a prequel to the series.

[00:21:06] But the whole story is they, the world was, like, kind of decimated by nuclear war, and they sent all the elderly down with babies to a city underground, the City of Ember.

[00:21:16] And the whole reason they sent the elderly was so that the, when they would pass off, pass away, the people who knew about the upper world would die with it, and all the young, the children wouldn't remember.

[00:21:29] So it was like the village.

[00:21:30] But it was only, the city was only designed to, like, last a set amount of time.

[00:21:36] And the instructions on how to get back to the surface were in a desk in the mayor's office, but the mayor actually ended up dying in the desk.

[00:21:44] The thing got lost, and they ended up, it got lost for another, like, couple of years, like, I think it was kind of like another couple decades, which was significantly beyond the city's actual, like, planned, like, lifespan.

[00:21:56] Yeah.

[00:21:56] So by the time the series is going on, it's falling apart.

[00:21:59] Like, the whole place is, like, going to shit.

[00:22:01] Okay.

[00:22:02] But the first one kind of chronicles how the two main characters, I'd have to, I'm not even a brand-per-whole their names are, but it's basically about how they get back to the surface.

[00:22:10] Okay.

[00:22:11] And then the second one is basically the, about once they get up there, and they encounter the new world where there's actually, it is actually inhabited by people.

[00:22:20] The third book is a prequel that tells the story of why they went to Ember, and then the fourth book actually is about the main character going back to Ember.

[00:22:27] Huh.

[00:22:28] Uh, it's, it's a really cool series.

[00:22:30] What's it called?

[00:22:30] Uh, The City of Ember.

[00:22:31] City of Ember.

[00:22:33] I'm down with my list that I've been writing.

[00:22:35] The first book's City of Ember, the second one is The People of Sparks, the third is The Prophecy of Yonwood, and then the fourth is The Diamond of Darklore, I think.

[00:22:44] Okay.

[00:22:45] It's only four books, but they're, they're really good, it's like a, it's eerily creepy just how, um, many parallels to, like, the world now is going on.

[00:22:54] I read those, because we actually read The City of Ember back, that was one of the few books we read in a school that I got attached to, and it did have a movie adaption, which was really good, but it bombed, so they never did sequels.

[00:23:04] Yeah.

[00:23:05] Yeah.

[00:23:06] I've been listening to that happen in the Inkheart movie, actually.

[00:23:09] Yeah.

[00:23:09] Because.

[00:23:10] The movie was not, I mean, I'd watch it again, I'd definitely, I'd watch it for shot.

[00:23:14] It's a movie for the most part, but, like, it's, it doesn't do it justice.

[00:23:17] Not at all.

[00:23:18] And honestly, if I'm being, as much as I'd love the first one, I had so much fun with the second and third books, because it does get a little bit darker, like, as it goes on.

[00:23:26] I still don't think I've read the third one.

[00:23:28] I know I've read the second, but I still don't think I've read the third one.

[00:23:31] So, for my third book, I'm actually going to change it, because if something popped in my head that I actually have more attachment to, um, because I've read 2001, but I don't have the vivid, like, memory of it, because I have more of a memory of the movie.

[00:23:43] Mm-hmm.

[00:23:44] But, uh, another one is, uh, The Chronicles of Narnia.

[00:23:46] Oh, fuck yeah.

[00:23:47] I read that back.

[00:23:48] Good choice.

[00:23:48] Absolutely.

[00:23:49] Uh, Lion, Witch, and the Woodrow.

[00:23:50] So, you like Chester?

[00:23:52] Because Chester was never a big reader.

[00:23:54] Yeah.

[00:23:54] But he loved the Narnia books.

[00:23:56] So, that speaks a lot to the book.

[00:23:57] Well, I had, like, the epic, like, collector's edition volume that had all the books in one.

[00:24:01] I got one of those, too.

[00:24:02] It's the one with, like, Aslan Space on the front of it.

[00:24:04] Yeah.

[00:24:04] I gotta find it, because, um, I don't know what happened to it.

[00:24:06] Mine's just a paperback, but, I mean, that was actually how I read all, because I had read the first two, like, years ago.

[00:24:12] Oh, and, you know, we probably should say, because, like, it sounds confusing, but referencing Chester a few times, it's my first son's father, who is a friend of ours.

[00:24:22] I feel like that sounds weird, just being like, Chester this and Chester that, without people knowing who he is.

[00:24:28] Oh, I mentioned Matt, too.

[00:24:29] Which might be confusing, because my name is Matt.

[00:24:31] Oh.

[00:24:31] It's Pineapple Matt.

[00:24:33] I've mentioned that.

[00:24:33] Yeah, Pineapple Matt.

[00:24:34] I've mentioned that.

[00:24:34] But, I mean, he doesn't even want, he doesn't even want Frankie to be calling him that, so maybe we shouldn't call him that on the internet.

[00:24:39] He's totally calling you Pineapple Matt.

[00:24:42] Name them.

[00:24:43] And I've mentioned Alex a few times.

[00:24:44] That's my sister and co-host for my podcast.

[00:24:46] Yeah.

[00:24:47] Pineapple Matt.

[00:24:48] So, yeah, you were saying about Narnia?

[00:24:49] Oh, it's just, it's a classic story, like, the whole, like, um, I'm most familiar with the language and the wardrobe.

[00:24:54] I mean, that's the, that's the go-to one.

[00:24:57] That's what everybody knows.

[00:24:59] Because it was right around when the, the, the big, like, theater movie.

[00:25:02] 2005 movie?

[00:25:03] Yeah.

[00:25:03] Yeah.

[00:25:03] Was coming out, so we were reading it in school.

[00:25:05] Like, we read that.

[00:25:06] Like, we all had to take turns reading it.

[00:25:07] The whole story.

[00:25:08] I mean, hell, I've seen the, uh, the 2000, uh, I saw the, no, I don't know if it wasn't 2000, but the, the earlier, like, made-for-TV version, too.

[00:25:15] Oh, the old BBC one?

[00:25:16] Yeah, the goofy one that's, like.

[00:25:17] We used to rent that from Blockbuster.

[00:25:18] See, I love that movie, because, like, when the stone table breaks, it literally just goes, boop.

[00:25:23] It's all the time.

[00:25:26] No, I don't know.

[00:25:27] It's so bad.

[00:25:27] It's so cringy.

[00:25:28] It is, but I love it.

[00:25:30] Like, when they would.

[00:25:30] You can probably find it now with all the streaming, everything that's out there.

[00:25:32] I don't know how BBC keeps their shit pretty tight sometimes.

[00:25:34] Probably on YouTube.

[00:25:35] Depending.

[00:25:35] Probably, no, it's hidden underneath somewhere.

[00:25:36] It might be.

[00:25:37] I don't know.

[00:25:37] Well, we'll figure it out.

[00:25:38] You can probably find bootlegs.

[00:25:39] I always remember the lead-up to that, though.

[00:25:41] Like, the whole, like, we were reading, and it's, it's a cool story.

[00:25:43] Like, they, they go through the wardrobe, and they're all of a sudden in this Narnia land, and it's, like, frozen because the Ice Queen froze it.

[00:25:49] Yeah.

[00:25:50] And the first, uh, it was the girl, the daughter, like, the sister went in first, the younger sister.

[00:25:55] Yeah, the youngest.

[00:25:56] And she ran into the, the, see, I'm terrible with remembering names.

[00:25:59] The fawn, Mr. Tumnus.

[00:26:00] Yes, him.

[00:26:00] I remember that because, um, a buddy of mine, Jason, in high school, I, one of our mutual friends started calling him Mr. Thomas because he got the name wrong, but he called him that because he had wicked hairy legs.

[00:26:10] But also, who is Mr. Thomas?

[00:26:13] Oh, James McAvoy.

[00:26:14] Isn't that fun?

[00:26:15] Who is, like, one of the best acts of all time.

[00:26:16] Going back and realizing that it, oh, he's amazing, but going back and realizing that was him, it was like, what?

[00:26:21] That's my favorite part.

[00:26:22] That was, like, one of his, his breakout roles.

[00:26:23] Watching the two films because, like, the first one is, it's, like, this goofy dude, and then the second one is, he's, like, he's, like, this badass guy.

[00:26:30] Yeah, it's so crazy.

[00:26:31] But, um, I always remember that, and then the second is that the, the brother goes in and he runs into the Ice Queen.

[00:26:37] Yeah.

[00:26:37] And it starts the whole split where one goes off the other way.

[00:26:40] I always remember that because there's the one point where he finds, like, the, the, the, uh, solidified, uh, turn to stone lion, and he thinks that's as, as, as, it's aslan, right?

[00:26:48] Yeah, aslan.

[00:26:49] Aslan.

[00:26:50] Yeah.

[00:26:50] And he just draws a mustache on it because he's, like, he's already been frozen.

[00:26:53] Yeah.

[00:26:54] Nothing, it's nothing, it's just some random lion.

[00:26:56] It's mad funny.

[00:26:58] I always remember, too, like, the parts where, like, uh, once the world starts unfreezing and, like, they have to, like, cross the river, and it's, like, the movie makes it sound way more epic than the book did.

[00:27:07] Oh, well, the movie did that, a lot of stuff with that.

[00:27:10] Because the book is short.

[00:27:11] Like, you can, you can read that book in an afternoon.

[00:27:13] It's surprisingly short.

[00:27:13] Oh, yeah, I read them in nights.

[00:27:15] Yeah, you could, you could read one Nani a book in, in an afternoon easily.

[00:27:19] It's, they're very, they, you know.

[00:27:21] Well, yeah, because I remember they fit all five books into that one novel that's about the size of, like, a manga, like, a biz big.

[00:27:26] Yeah.

[00:27:27] So, um, so, is Lion Witch and the Wardrobe your favorite one?

[00:27:30] That's the one I have the most nostalgia with.

[00:27:32] Like, uh, the Prince of, uh, Casbian is pretty good, too.

[00:27:35] Prince of, uh, Prince of Casbian.

[00:27:37] Oh, that's funny.

[00:27:38] That's actually one of Chester's favorites.

[00:27:40] Is it?

[00:27:40] Prince of Casbian, yeah.

[00:27:40] Did you, I never saw the movie.

[00:27:42] Was it good?

[00:27:42] Have you seen it?

[00:27:43] It's okay.

[00:27:43] Uh, it's not as, I mean, because it came out so far after, like, the hype for the original one ended.

[00:27:49] Yeah.

[00:27:49] That, like, no one really gave a shit, I feel like.

[00:27:51] That's fair.

[00:27:52] I would love to reread those now that we're talking about it.

[00:27:54] We got them all.

[00:27:55] I need to find my, uh.

[00:27:57] I honestly, for the first one I read, because I saw the movie, like I said, like, we went to the old one and I saw the newer one later.

[00:28:05] Um, but the first one I read, and the one that I think is probably, if not my favorite, it's tied for my favorite, is Magician's Nephew.

[00:28:13] That one's good, too.

[00:28:14] I love that one.

[00:28:15] That one's really good.

[00:28:15] Which one was the prequel again?

[00:28:17] Is that it?

[00:28:17] That was, yeah, Magician's Nephew.

[00:28:19] Because that was the, uh, the professor from Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe as a kid.

[00:28:22] Yeah.

[00:28:22] Yeah.

[00:28:23] And then, um, he shows up again in the very last book.

[00:28:25] But yeah, I, I loved that one.

[00:28:27] That one was great.

[00:28:28] That was the, um, the first one, right?

[00:28:31] Uh.

[00:28:31] In, not in publication, but in.

[00:28:33] In order of when it takes place.

[00:28:36] Like, remember I had the box set?

[00:28:38] Yeah.

[00:28:38] That was the first one?

[00:28:39] Yeah.

[00:28:39] Because the, the, the, the combined book I had actually puts that first.

[00:28:43] And he's crawling through the ceiling?

[00:28:45] Yeah, he crawls through the ceiling.

[00:28:46] He crawls through the rafters.

[00:28:46] That was one of my favorites because of that buildup of, like, the mystery there.

[00:28:50] Like, that was, I think I just, I, I like the mystery of things.

[00:28:53] Like, yeah.

[00:28:53] Because that was one of my favorites.

[00:28:54] Actually, when we were, uh, when we were talking about, uh, doing our own D&D thing, and,

[00:28:59] like, one of the ideas that I had was, like, kind of doing, like, a big mixed universe

[00:29:03] thing where you could just kind of jump into pre-existing fictional worlds so I wouldn't have

[00:29:07] to work as hard.

[00:29:08] Yeah, that's right.

[00:29:09] But my idea was somehow finding their way into, like, the way they would jump into other

[00:29:13] worlds in The Magician's Nephew where they'd go into, like, this different plane and there's

[00:29:17] all these pools.

[00:29:18] If you jump into the pool, you go into another world.

[00:29:20] See, that, oh.

[00:29:21] That was the idea I had.

[00:29:22] I was just going to say that.

[00:29:24] It's fine.

[00:29:24] It's fine.

[00:29:25] How did it get over there?

[00:29:27] Um, but, thank you very much, sir.

[00:29:31] Um, pools.

[00:29:33] Yes, pools.

[00:29:34] So, you remind me of one of my other favorites, and it's, like, a pre-teen novel.

[00:29:42] Like, I cannot remember what the fuck it's called, but it's got, like, necromancy in it.

[00:29:49] There's bells and all that, and, ugh.

[00:29:53] It's, like, always, it's like, it's like the Eye of the Dragon.

[00:29:55] Like, it's a story that's in my mind.

[00:29:57] I know it, but I can't remember.

[00:29:58] That happened to be a bunch of times.

[00:30:00] Like, there was, I actually did recently find out what they were called, but there were

[00:30:02] these books that I read when I was a kid about, um, these kids who find, like, this machine

[00:30:07] in their attic, and it's basically, like, a way that you can kind of time travel, but,

[00:30:13] like, through a picture.

[00:30:15] Like, if you have a picture of something.

[00:30:17] Yeah, essentially.

[00:30:18] Yeah.

[00:30:18] This could do.

[00:30:19] Yeah.

[00:30:20] And I found out later that they were called the Disaster Series.

[00:30:23] It was the Volcano Disaster, the Blizzard Disaster, and, like, so on.

[00:30:26] I wish I could remember the name of this book.

[00:30:29] Like, it drives me, don't you hate that?

[00:30:31] Like, when that happens, and you know it in your mind, the story, but.

[00:30:34] I have that, I have that with video games all the time.

[00:30:36] Um, like, I'll have it.

[00:30:37] I mean, you're, you also have a much wider range of video games that you've played.

[00:30:41] True.

[00:30:42] But, uh, there's actually a, a, a Reddit board called Tip of My Joystick, which is basically

[00:30:46] like, you know.

[00:30:49] The whole, the whole premise of it is you basically, you give a description of a game, and you basically

[00:30:53] just ask the, you ask the board, does anybody know this?

[00:30:57] And then, a lot of times people do.

[00:30:59] That's how you figure it out.

[00:30:59] There's probably one for books, too, now that I think about it.

[00:31:02] Probably.

[00:31:02] And there was another one, too, where there was like, it had something to do with, like,

[00:31:07] a girl and her family, and they were all named, like, certain things that had to do with

[00:31:11] the compass, and there was, like, a compass rose, and she wrote a bear.

[00:31:15] The whole dad, not it?

[00:31:15] No, it's different than that, because I always thought that, but it's different.

[00:31:18] She had purple eyes.

[00:31:19] I remember that.

[00:31:24] I remember purple eyes, and that was a big thing.

[00:31:26] I don't know, it just drives me nuts when I can't remember, like, good books.

[00:31:29] Yeah.

[00:31:31] Even if they are juvenile.

[00:31:33] Yeah.

[00:31:35] So, back to me, because I never said mine.

[00:31:37] Oh, yeah.

[00:31:38] I didn't expect mine to start a tangent like that.

[00:31:41] I thought mine was going to be, like, boom, boom, boom.

[00:31:42] Well, that's kind of something that I'm, I'm planning to be, like, a thing that's okay

[00:31:46] with on this podcast, and just kind of going sidetracked, because we're just those kinds

[00:31:51] of people in general.

[00:31:53] No, I wish we had pizza.

[00:31:54] Cindy and I, especially, are very, you know, we'll let a conversation go, even if we have

[00:31:59] a topic.

[00:32:00] Oh, we'll, yeah.

[00:32:01] We'll circle around to it eventually, but.

[00:32:02] It's the ADD in us.

[00:32:04] Like, it just.

[00:32:05] Me and Alex do that all the time, and we'll just, like, get on some weird tangent and

[00:32:09] be like, anyways.

[00:32:10] Yeah.

[00:32:11] But some of the best, I mean, before we even started recording, we were having, like,

[00:32:13] similar things going on, where we were just kind of talking and had this whole conversation

[00:32:17] going, and I feel like, I kind of wish we had started recording earlier, because there

[00:32:21] was some gold there.

[00:32:23] Can we get pizza?

[00:32:23] No, we can't get pizza.

[00:32:24] We have the voila.

[00:32:26] Okay, go ahead, Bill.

[00:32:29] It's not his turn.

[00:32:29] It's my turn.

[00:32:30] Oh, sorry.

[00:32:32] I'm mad at you.

[00:32:35] All right, so, my number one, which will always be my favorite book, because I've read

[00:32:41] it about a hundred times, I've watched the movies a hundred times, is The Hobbit.

[00:32:45] Oh, yeah.

[00:32:46] I know we've already talked a little bit about Lord of the Rings, but it goes beyond Lord

[00:32:50] of the Rings and The Hobbit, honestly, because the entire world that he has constructed is,

[00:32:55] it's ridiculous.

[00:32:56] And that's part of why I like it so much, is because he put so much thought into it.

[00:32:59] In fact, The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings were an afterthought for him.

[00:33:03] And that's one of those things that I like about it so much, is because his whole thing

[00:33:07] was he wanted to create a mythology.

[00:33:09] He wanted to create a compendium of stories, you know?

[00:33:13] And that ended up becoming The Silmarillion, which is really interesting, because the first

[00:33:17] time I read that, it reads much like the Bible, which is odd for that kind of story,

[00:33:22] you know?

[00:33:22] Yeah.

[00:33:23] But anyways, The Hobbit has always been one of those stories for me that my uncle originally

[00:33:28] introduced it to me.

[00:33:29] He got me the audiobooks and my own paperback copy of it.

[00:33:33] And I've read that book so many times.

[00:33:35] It's just such a fun, lighthearted adventure.

[00:33:38] And there's a lot of twists and turns along the way.

[00:33:41] I mean, honestly, you might even just like that one, The Hobbit, because it's less crazy

[00:33:47] and descriptive and stuff.

[00:33:48] I'm not sure how similar it is, but I have played the PS2 game.

[00:33:51] I actually never played that one.

[00:33:53] Is that a joint?

[00:33:54] I've heard of it.

[00:33:54] Yeah, that looks like a joint today.

[00:33:56] Sorry, that was not supposed to be out loud.

[00:33:59] It's a coloring book.

[00:34:00] It was an inner conversation thing from earlier.

[00:34:02] Yeah, but it's a stoner coloring book, so.

[00:34:03] And I forgot that...

[00:34:05] Sorry, go ahead.

[00:34:06] It's alright, it's legal.

[00:34:07] Yeah.

[00:34:09] What were we saying?

[00:34:09] I was just kidding.

[00:34:10] Oh, the PS2 game.

[00:34:11] The PS2.

[00:34:12] I never played it, so I have no idea.

[00:34:14] I've played that.

[00:34:14] It's actually, from what people have said, it's pretty faithful, but...

[00:34:17] Oh, fair enough.

[00:34:18] You know what really upset me?

[00:34:20] They made a Lego Hobbit video game, but it only covered the first two movies.

[00:34:27] And their original plan was to have the third movie come out as DLC when the movie came out,

[00:34:31] but they never did it.

[00:34:33] So that game is forever incomplete, and that really annoys me.

[00:34:36] Now, The Hobbit is a short book.

[00:34:38] Yeah, it's...

[00:34:39] Did it really need to be three movies?

[00:34:41] No, it didn't.

[00:34:42] And that's one of the biggest complaints that it has.

[00:34:44] I heard the point was it was too stretched out.

[00:34:45] Honestly, and I was just watching this the other day with my kids, was the animated movie from the 70s.

[00:34:52] It's really fun.

[00:34:53] I like that.

[00:34:54] Actually, I still have the same...

[00:34:55] It's cute, yeah.

[00:34:55] I have the same BHS from when I was little, and I watched that so many friggin' times when I was a kid.

[00:35:00] So if I go retro game hunting, because The Hobbit's a pretty worthless game, to be honest, price-wise,

[00:35:05] if I see a super cheap copy, I'll grab it for you, because it's...

[00:35:08] Yeah, I'll try it out.

[00:35:09] It's not bad.

[00:35:10] I actually, as someone who really doesn't, has no nostalgia or real interest in the Lord of the Rings and stuff,

[00:35:16] it was a pretty fun game.

[00:35:17] Yeah?

[00:35:18] It's like a little hack-and-slash adventure game.

[00:35:20] I think it's that nice.

[00:35:21] I did the Lego ones.

[00:35:23] Lego Lord of the Rings is actually really fun.

[00:35:25] It's an open-world Lego game, which is very different.

[00:35:28] So it's like Lego City...

[00:35:29] You legit walk from the Shire to Mortar.

[00:35:31] I used to hate Lego games, watching other people play them.

[00:35:35] They're fun to play.

[00:35:36] They're satisfying.

[00:35:37] Yeah.

[00:35:37] Lego Star Wars was my jam.

[00:35:39] But that was like the big...

[00:35:40] What opened the door for Lego games, in a big way.

[00:35:44] In a big way.

[00:35:44] That's why we haven't heard from Traveler's Tales in years.

[00:35:47] Yeah.

[00:35:47] We're making Lego games.

[00:35:48] But, yeah, just in general, I love the way that the characters interact with each other in that.

[00:35:56] Especially Bilbo.

[00:35:57] I love Bilbo.

[00:35:58] He is the best hobbit, in my opinion.

[00:36:01] It's one of those...

[00:36:02] It might be Type of Mary, actually.

[00:36:04] It's one of those series that's kind of like...

[00:36:06] You grew up with it.

[00:36:08] It's like a huge part of your thing, but it's not something that everyone can get into, I guess.

[00:36:12] I read it once a year, at least.

[00:36:15] Okay.

[00:36:16] And I watch the movie multiple times.

[00:36:17] Me and Cindy, that was like one of our comfort movies, is Lord of the Rings.

[00:36:20] We love it.

[00:36:21] But, yeah.

[00:36:22] My second one is Where the Red Fern Grows.

[00:36:24] Because that's another one that I've read since I was a child.

[00:36:28] And...

[00:36:29] That's one of those books that stuck with me, because I think that's the first book that I ever cried reading.

[00:36:34] Because it's a very heartwarming story.

[00:36:36] It's a story about a boy and his dogs.

[00:36:37] Have you read it?

[00:36:38] No?

[00:36:38] No.

[00:36:40] Yeah.

[00:36:40] It's a story about a boy and his dogs.

[00:36:42] You know, he gets a couple of...

[00:36:45] A couple of coon hunting dogs.

[00:36:47] And he goes and does his whole thing with them.

[00:36:50] Goes through his whole journey.

[00:36:51] Is there a movie adaption?

[00:36:52] Yeah.

[00:36:52] I might have seen that.

[00:36:53] Yeah.

[00:36:54] Because it sounds familiar.

[00:36:55] Fuck that.

[00:36:55] I never want to see that.

[00:36:56] I don't want to ever, ever see that.

[00:36:59] Never.

[00:37:00] Well, it's not as graphic as the book was.

[00:37:02] I don't care.

[00:37:03] It's still sad.

[00:37:04] Either way.

[00:37:05] I don't know.

[00:37:05] It's just one of those stories that just stuck with me.

[00:37:08] I think it was one of the first books that I really sat down and just could not put it down.

[00:37:14] But, yeah.

[00:37:14] And then my third one is Tuesdays of Mori.

[00:37:19] Which is a true story to anyone who doesn't know.

[00:37:22] And it's honestly the kind of book that I recommend everyone read once.

[00:37:25] I'm assuming you've read it.

[00:37:27] They probably...

[00:37:27] No?

[00:37:28] They didn't throw it to you at school?

[00:37:29] Hopefully just once.

[00:37:30] Because it's so sad.

[00:37:31] I'll have to look for it.

[00:37:32] Everyone should read them once.

[00:37:33] It's one of those stories.

[00:37:34] It's about life.

[00:37:36] It's about like...

[00:37:37] I mean...

[00:37:38] It's about an old man named Mori.

[00:37:40] And this was a true story.

[00:37:41] Where you could actually find videos of like interviews and stuff with different...

[00:37:47] And there's this old guy named Mori who was a professor.

[00:37:50] And he had...

[00:37:52] What was the disease?

[00:37:54] ALS?

[00:37:55] ALS?

[00:37:55] Lugar's disease?

[00:37:56] Something.

[00:37:57] It was...

[00:37:57] I can't remember.

[00:37:58] But it was some sort of...

[00:37:59] It was like a...

[00:38:01] Like one of those ones where you just lose all muscle.

[00:38:04] Deteriorating.

[00:38:05] Yeah.

[00:38:06] Until it eventually became an invalid and can't move.

[00:38:09] I think that's ALS.

[00:38:10] Yeah.

[00:38:10] That was the ice bucket challenge thing.

[00:38:12] I think so.

[00:38:13] I don't know.

[00:38:14] But anyways...

[00:38:15] I never did it.

[00:38:16] So he finds out that he is dying.

[00:38:19] And he does this interview on TV.

[00:38:21] And one of his old students happens to see it.

[00:38:23] Who was the guy who wrote the book?

[00:38:25] Okay.

[00:38:26] And he goes to visit him.

[00:38:28] And they end up meeting up every Tuesday.

[00:38:30] And talking about life.

[00:38:31] And the meaning of it all.

[00:38:33] And his outlook on everything.

[00:38:34] And just trying to pass things down to him and stuff.

[00:38:36] And it's a really heartwarming story.

[00:38:38] I'll have to look into it.

[00:38:41] It's a heartbreaking story.

[00:38:43] Okay?

[00:38:44] Honestly, it's more heartbreaking if you listen to the audiobook.

[00:38:47] Because it's read by the author.

[00:38:48] All set.

[00:38:49] Thank you.

[00:38:49] The guy who actually went to see Maury.

[00:38:52] And did all that.

[00:38:53] Yeah.

[00:38:54] So...

[00:38:54] And he's reading it.

[00:38:55] You can hear the emotion in his voice.

[00:38:57] And at the very end of the audiobook, he actually plays clips.

[00:39:00] Because they recorded their conversations on a tape player.

[00:39:02] Yeah.

[00:39:02] I don't want to hear that.

[00:39:03] So...

[00:39:03] I mean, I do.

[00:39:04] But I don't.

[00:39:04] Because it's like...

[00:39:06] You're crying out on a daily basis.

[00:39:08] I do.

[00:39:08] I cry a lot.

[00:39:10] See, I'm told multiple times I don't have a heart or soul.

[00:39:13] So...

[00:39:14] Cindy's told me that.

[00:39:15] Well, I have a hard time.

[00:39:17] Emotions aren't my strong point.

[00:39:19] So...

[00:39:19] Yeah.

[00:39:20] That's my issue.

[00:39:21] Emotions are everything to me.

[00:39:22] Cindy's told me similar things many times.

[00:39:25] And I think...

[00:39:25] Because a lot of times, it's when we're watching TV or something.

[00:39:28] And something really sad happens.

[00:39:29] You're like, why are you crying?

[00:39:31] You're so stupid.

[00:39:32] Like the first time we met you, actually, Bill, I was like, he's a serial killer.

[00:39:37] I've gotten that a lot.

[00:39:38] And I did the same with that.

[00:39:39] That's okay.

[00:39:40] She still calls me a serial killer from time to time.

[00:39:42] You know that it's always the person you least fucking expect.

[00:39:45] Like, I'm still waiting.

[00:39:46] And I'm annoying.

[00:39:47] I'm still waiting for you to kill me.

[00:39:52] I always used to get, like, either, like, he's a psycho or, um...

[00:39:56] Can he talk?

[00:39:58] Oh, there was one time...

[00:39:59] We used to work at Cumberland Barnes.

[00:40:01] Me and Cindy.

[00:40:02] And, um...

[00:40:03] There was this lady...

[00:40:04] I don't even remember what...

[00:40:05] What was it?

[00:40:06] It was a drunk lady.

[00:40:07] Yeah, you tell the story.

[00:40:08] You remember it better than I do.

[00:40:09] I don't know.

[00:40:09] It was a drunk lady really late at night.

[00:40:11] And she comes in.

[00:40:12] She looks at me and my friend John, who are working.

[00:40:15] And she...

[00:40:16] Matt is standing right there in front of her.

[00:40:18] Right in the middle of us.

[00:40:19] And she looks at us.

[00:40:20] She goes, does he even speak English?

[00:40:23] And Matt's just...

[00:40:24] Matt, instead of saying yes, he just stands there and he's like...

[00:40:28] Doesn't say anything.

[00:40:29] Me and John are cracking up, like, knowing that he does.

[00:40:32] I don't know.

[00:40:34] See, that's when I would have been like, who up the west?

[00:40:36] Or something like that.

[00:40:37] I...

[00:40:37] I should have.

[00:40:39] But Matt was so funny.

[00:40:40] He just stands there like...

[00:40:41] It's just like, who says that?

[00:40:43] And when she's like...

[00:40:43] Doing that face.

[00:40:44] And he would try to talk to me.

[00:40:47] So funny.

[00:40:48] That's alright.

[00:40:48] Well, I always got the...

[00:40:50] Because even like, before I got to an age, instead of smoking weed and stuff, like...

[00:40:54] When I was like, young, people would ask me if I smoked weed.

[00:40:57] Because I have like the...

[00:40:59] I don't know if I have my eyes a lot.

[00:41:01] Yeah, when his eyes are like, really open, it freaks me out.

[00:41:03] Like, what's wrong?

[00:41:03] You mad?

[00:41:04] Yeah, right.

[00:41:07] Well, actually, one of my favorites was, um...

[00:41:09] Senior year of high school, my English teacher.

[00:41:11] She, um...

[00:41:12] For some...

[00:41:13] I've never had a teacher do this before.

[00:41:15] But her end of the year, she gave every student in our class her, like, opinion.

[00:41:20] Like, what she thought of them.

[00:41:21] Like, over the course of the year.

[00:41:23] That's weird.

[00:41:24] Yeah, it was interesting.

[00:41:25] But hers, she literally...

[00:41:26] More like an employee?

[00:41:27] Yeah, kind of.

[00:41:28] Report kind of thing?

[00:41:29] Like, she's...

[00:41:30] Most of them are really nice and heartfelt.

[00:41:32] But mine was...

[00:41:33] Her thought...

[00:41:34] Her literal...

[00:41:34] I'm still not sure about you.

[00:41:36] Her literal thing was...

[00:41:38] It's like every day, you had a different personality.

[00:41:40] And I was like...

[00:41:41] Ha ha!

[00:41:41] That's great.

[00:41:43] I...

[00:41:44] To be fair, though, I was a fucking, like...

[00:41:46] I did, like...

[00:41:47] I did kind of, like, sketch her out a few times.

[00:41:49] I had some very mixed relationships with a lot of my teachers.

[00:41:52] Oh, I had terrible relationships with...

[00:41:53] I hate...

[00:41:54] I'm not afraid to say it.

[00:41:55] I hated school.

[00:41:56] Well, I mean...

[00:41:57] I wasn't...

[00:41:58] I had fun in school, depending on what was going on.

[00:42:01] But I had, like, no friends, so...

[00:42:02] I had a lot of school friends...

[00:42:05] Um...

[00:42:05] That I could pal around with at school.

[00:42:09] Um...

[00:42:09] Honestly, I barely talked to anybody that I was friends with in school anymore.

[00:42:13] Even my...

[00:42:13] One of my best friends, like...

[00:42:15] And he'll always be my best friend.

[00:42:16] Or, like, among my best friends, for sure.

[00:42:19] And I haven't even seen...

[00:42:20] Talked to him in about a year and a half.

[00:42:21] But, I mean, we still, like...

[00:42:22] Whenever we meet up, it's...

[00:42:24] Yeah, it's like nothing changes.

[00:42:25] See, all my school friends, like, I don't talk to anymore.

[00:42:27] Like, I don't even refer to them as friends.

[00:42:30] That's fair.

[00:42:30] But, um...

[00:42:31] No, because I met most of my actual friends after high school.

[00:42:34] Like, after graduation.

[00:42:35] Because that's when you actually, like, grow up and you're, like...

[00:42:38] You understand who a real person is.

[00:42:39] Yeah, well, I mean, like, the group of friends that I've been hanging out with since, like...

[00:42:43] Literally since just a few months after I graduated.

[00:42:46] Pretty much.

[00:42:47] Later on in the year after I graduated was when I met, like, the group of friends that I hung out with consistently ever since.

[00:42:53] Oh, yeah.

[00:42:53] Not so much now, because we're all, you know, pairing up and having kids and all that other stuff.

[00:42:57] So, is that nice having friends?

[00:42:58] I don't know what that's like.

[00:43:01] I'm just kidding.

[00:43:01] I had friends, but they all ended up, like, drug addicts and shit.

[00:43:05] So, you know.

[00:43:06] Yeah.

[00:43:06] It's just been me for a while.

[00:43:08] Well, I mean...

[00:43:09] I have Chester.

[00:43:10] Yeah, you have Chester.

[00:43:11] And me.

[00:43:13] Yay.

[00:43:18] Oh, well.

[00:43:19] So, we were talking about books.

[00:43:21] Yeah, I was gonna say, we're going in the life, like...

[00:43:24] Well, I mean, we all set our top three.

[00:43:27] Are there any other specific books we want to discuss?

[00:43:29] I'm trying to think.

[00:43:30] I remember, like...

[00:43:30] Because I'm trying to think of some of the books I did read back in, like, school.

[00:43:34] You know what I think?

[00:43:35] Mm-hmm.

[00:43:35] You would probably like the SAO books or the Baccano books.

[00:43:41] At some point, because I know you and I talked about doing, like, review stuff.

[00:43:44] Mm-hmm.

[00:43:45] I think we should watch Baccano.

[00:43:47] It's only 16 episodes.

[00:43:48] We will have to take specific notes on that one, though.

[00:43:51] Because, I mean, we watched that at one point.

[00:43:54] It's confusing the first time you watch it.

[00:43:56] Oh, yeah.

[00:43:56] I'd have to watch it another time, actually.

[00:43:58] It's three different storylines that take place in three different years, but you're

[00:44:02] getting bits of each storyline in every episode.

[00:44:04] And there are two characters in particular who are in all three stories.

[00:44:10] Mm-hmm.

[00:44:11] And there are some other crossover characters, too, but for the most part, like, it's just

[00:44:15] confusing trying to figure out, like, wait, which story is this?

[00:44:17] Like, which part am I watching?

[00:44:19] Like, I know you don't smoke pot, but anybody that does, probably not a good time if you're

[00:44:23] trying to watch this show.

[00:44:25] Yeah.

[00:44:25] Because I have to watch it again, because I do not...

[00:44:27] Like, the structure of that review is going to be different than most others.

[00:44:30] You have to follow it.

[00:44:31] That one is...

[00:44:31] That's, like, an actual, like, note-taker one.

[00:44:33] Yeah.

[00:44:34] For sure.

[00:44:34] Yeah.

[00:44:34] For sure.

[00:44:35] But it's a good story.

[00:44:36] It's really...

[00:44:37] Oh.

[00:44:37] Especially if you're reading the books.

[00:44:38] I have a book.

[00:44:38] Because the books go way further than the show does.

[00:44:41] It gets really interesting.

[00:44:43] What is your book?

[00:44:43] Again, it's another, like...

[00:44:45] Sorry, I'm, like, eating so much.

[00:44:47] At least it's healthy.

[00:44:49] I know.

[00:44:49] This time.

[00:44:50] Anyways, it's another, like, younger, like, teenage-type novel, but it's a fucking story that we

[00:44:55] can all relate to the fear of, because, you know, all the conspiracies of, like, being

[00:45:01] trapped with your phone and, you know, the government always having tabs on every person.

[00:45:06] You can't go off-grid anymore.

[00:45:07] It's called The Barcode Tattoo.

[00:45:09] And that book, like, I recommend it because it's just infringing of people, government...

[00:45:16] Not to bring politics around and think into it, but the fear of our government infringing

[00:45:19] upon our rights.

[00:45:20] That book, like...

[00:45:25] Her dad kills herself because of it, because they know everything.

[00:45:29] As soon as you get it, they know your blood type, who you had sex with, what books you

[00:45:33] read, like, every fucking thing about you and your life and your medical and everything.

[00:45:38] And you can't...

[00:45:39] You're always trapped.

[00:45:40] You can never leave.

[00:45:41] And she grows up watching her mom going fucking crazy, like, scrubbing her arm until it's

[00:45:45] bleeding and shit.

[00:45:46] So she's young enough.

[00:45:47] I think it's, like, 17 you're supposed to get the tattoo.

[00:45:50] And she's young enough to, like...

[00:45:52] It's, like, I either get this or I fucking run and get off-grid before.

[00:45:55] But they'll come and get you.

[00:45:57] So she finds a group of people and she goes and runs away.

[00:45:59] And, you know, as the story goes on, I don't want to give the rest of it away, but, like,

[00:46:03] she tries to get away from it.

[00:46:05] And it is...

[00:46:07] As far as I remember, it was a really good story.

[00:46:09] I mean, I feel like it started to get a little more into, like, the teen drama of it.

[00:46:12] But that part of it, like, that fear is, like...

[00:46:15] That just...

[00:46:15] Fear is, like...

[00:46:16] That whole concept is, like, a very real thing.

[00:46:18] Exactly.

[00:46:25] Really cool.

[00:46:26] Yeah.

[00:46:27] Really cool.

[00:46:28] I mean, other than that, like, I'm trying to think of some of, like, the stupid books

[00:46:31] we read in school.

[00:46:33] I'm trying to remember.

[00:46:34] I liked a lot of the books that they gave us in school.

[00:46:36] I mean, you didn't go to a public school, though.

[00:46:38] Well, I did for, like, middle school and stuff.

[00:46:40] Yeah, but, like, the years that you would probably remember reading stuff more, you

[00:46:45] went to a trade school.

[00:46:47] Yeah.

[00:46:47] So, they got less of a focus on that kind of thing.

[00:46:51] See, I loved history.

[00:46:52] History was great.

[00:46:54] I was never particularly good with history.

[00:46:56] There's certain specific parts of history, yeah.

[00:46:58] But what?

[00:46:59] I know, it's kind of like...

[00:47:01] There's been controversy over this in the past.

[00:47:04] But I won't get into that.

[00:47:05] But another one is A Million Little Pieces.

[00:47:09] A Million Little Pieces.

[00:47:13] And, um...

[00:47:14] It's James Frey writes it.

[00:47:16] And I know, like I said, there's controversy if you look into it.

[00:47:19] But if you just read the book, especially as an addict, or recovering, which, hi, I'm

[00:47:24] Cindy and I'm an addict.

[00:47:25] Um, it...

[00:47:28] The truth in your head, what you experience while you are living a lifestyle, the way he

[00:47:34] writes, it really penetrates.

[00:47:39] You really understand.

[00:47:40] And, I don't know, that's another one that I would definitely recommend for people who

[00:47:45] have loved ones who are addicts or who have experienced it.

[00:47:50] It's a deep story.

[00:47:51] And it's good.

[00:47:52] Cool.

[00:47:53] I like all different genres.

[00:47:56] All right.

[00:47:56] We'll probably talk more about specific books a lot on later episodes.

[00:48:00] Yeah.

[00:48:01] That's when I could do a lot of that.

[00:48:03] Yeah.

[00:48:03] For sure.

[00:48:05] Um...

[00:48:05] Yeah.

[00:48:05] Preaching the quiet here.

[00:48:07] I know.

[00:48:07] We haven't even got to the video games yet.

[00:48:09] Nope.

[00:48:10] That's next up.

[00:48:12] So, we'll cut this one off now.

[00:48:15] I sound like a badass.

[00:48:16] I'm glad they can't see me.

[00:48:17] Bye.

[00:48:18] Bye.