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[00:00:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Step into Video Game Land Welcome to Fine Time

[00:00:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Hello, party people, it's your boy Drey

[00:00:32] [SPEAKER_01]: It is also my boy son because it is hot as fuck outside Steve

[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh good, I thought it was only still hot here. It turns out it's still hot by you too

[00:00:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank goodness, will be cold off last week. We got all it was only 84 last weekend and the mid 80s right

[00:00:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Now we are back up crawling crawling back up to close to 100 or not supposed to break it

[00:00:56] [SPEAKER_01]: But who knows on this crazy planet huh?

[00:00:59] [SPEAKER_03]: See we cheat out here on East Coast where we do island living

[00:01:03] [SPEAKER_03]: It'll often only be in the mid to late 80s but then the

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Humidity is always something like 99% or 100% and it's like well of course

[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_03]: It's gonna you know feel a greater than 100 after that

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to guess our current humidity here in northern Nevada?

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Based on other ones you shared I will say it is 29% humidity right now

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_03]: 15% you know miserable bastard

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_01]: But last month when it was like 100 every day for three weeks it was like 8%

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_01]: 7 or 8% it was ridiculous I wonder what that's like

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I really wonder what that's like

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of wonderful that being us. Yeah, it's hot but like you know dry as a bone dry bones if you will

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, hold

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_01]: You're you I'm sorry dry asshole dry asshole

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I like when people make up like fake because you know how like they really exhausted the options and

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Marker ate the luxe of like the characters because there's just so many it's like what how about dry baby Daisy?

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you know just making up permutations

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Rose gold baby peach yeah, the rose gold baby dry peach or whatever. Yeah

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, we don't need to fill the screen I promise

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Who even uses half the I just stick with warrior or docky con called a day man. I don't have time to

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_01]: To go around

[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_03]: They end up just sticking shy guy in the blue falcon and open for the best. Yeah, I mean, I love the options

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_01]: But you know pick a favorite and stick with it anyway

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_01]: A couple big deals ago I talked about baton kaitos and how much I really enjoyed it and

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_01]: On that show I said that I'd give it like an eat at a ten not like a nine no I've changed my mind by the time I was done

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I gave it a nine out of ten when I rated it on blue sky when I was on I gave it to a minus

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that I think as I can go on it elevates and elevates itself to a point where I just remember it being that good and it is really that good in my opinion

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_01]: However

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_01]: The second half of this HD collection is baton kaitos origins or baton kaitos 2 I guess in Japan Steve. Did your member was called that there because I didn't

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_03]: baton kaitos origins is one of my game queue blank spots. I have not touched this game

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_01]: So this was a surprise well if you had touch this game, you would have known because in the intro it still says baton kaitos 2

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't bother to change it for us

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_03]: New Zealand story the story of baton kaitos 2

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh man to Toki Tori the story of baton kaitos 3

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so like that's the kind of production we're getting here. This is a much more low budget

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Directive video sequel of baton kaitos and you know what that's okay

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I think I will mint the fact on this show sometimes where we don't do the asset reuse

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Stuff anymore

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And we should because even a couple generations ago we did that's how we got fallout new Vegas

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Right that's how we got so many great games because they took the thing did it before and spun it into something else Steve

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Hey Capcom, where's Mega Man 12?

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_01]: They made a whole new art style in engine. We okay, we can't talk about that anymore

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna get I'm gonna get caught in the I'm gonna get lost in the sauce

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, and the intro is not this lavish CG thing like it was in the original baton kaitos

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a very like I hate to say it, but like flash animation that's not even applicable anymore

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Because you don't really have that, but you know what I mean

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_01]: It seems like something that would intro like of an illoware game. It seems like you ever play more amasa

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it seems like that

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, which is not bad right there's nothing wrong with that

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just compared to the first one which clear this this is a very high budget a game

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_01]: This was not so much I feel like this was the recoup game. It's like okay baton kaitos did okay

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But so let's make a sequel where you can reuse most of that stuff

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Same little cows whatever make a few new little cows and making a new game out of it, and that they did

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_01]: It takes place

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_01]: 20 years before the original game and you damn well better remember the plot from the original baton kaitos in great detail

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_01]: If you want to get anything out of this like you will recognize the areas because they're basically untouched

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_01]: If you go to an old area, it's like okay that looks exactly the same

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_01]: But like the seeing characters from the first game as their younger cells

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like you're not gonna remember every at least I didn't after two years right

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm getting a lot more out of the story now playing these games back to back, which I guess is good

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, but at the time not necessarily so much

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Here's the problem with this. It's not the fact that it reuse this stuff or that it's lower budget or whatever that's fine

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_01]: It's the fact that

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_01]: They meet a lot of changes to the game that I feel or what I would call focus group changes

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Steve you remember that soccer right video from about six months ago where he was talking about

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_01]: The committee and how you shouldn't listen to the committee

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Because that's how you get the most mediocre result that's baton kaitos origins

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Again, it feels like they just sent out surveys. Hey, what would you like to see in a sequel and all the people who said about the original

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_01]: It's too slow or the battles take too long or whatever right

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like they've pulled only those people and then came up the result. Okay, we're gonna make everything snappy and fast, which in some cases is good

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Like they don't make you climb up and down ladders anymore climb into it, dank dank dank. You just fly up or down with your wings your wings of the heart excuse me

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_03]: The Rochester regular wings 2006

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_01]: That's why everyone has different wings because it reflects your heart Steve

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I remember now you remember their wings of the heart, okay?

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_03]: The first day of wingschool

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if it's like puberty. I wonder if you get your wings when you hit you know a certain age or

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, then everyone's just embarrassed and health class showing off wings. We're not showing off wings. Yeah, it's like oh my wing what happened honey my wings came out at school today again

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what happens all the boys you know you'll you'll learn to control it mostly

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, a lot of stuff is like very streamlined and sterile and not necessarily for the better

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Like remember when I was talking about the original where you don't earn money from battles the only way you earn money is by using a camera card on the enemy and taking a picture of them

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And then you sell that picture to a vendor, and that's how you get money including taking pictures of bosses and stuff like that where you get hell one money

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_01]: One to perverted shopkeepers. Yeah, yeah show me that. Yes, show me that. Oh, that's a good picture of right

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't do that anymore you just get money now from fighting things

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_01]: In cards don't age a revolve over time. Remember you'd have food cards right and the food could rot or like you have an egg cart and eventually it turns into a cock

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't get that anymore. You just the cards are what they are and it's like okay I realize that like

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes it's just like cooking cutting the fat often means cutting the flavor and like yeah, you could say why do you have to sell those cards? Why can't you just get gold from defeating enemies because it's different because that's by and kitos

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Why can't you just do it the easy way because that's the game?

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't know man. Do you understand what I mean sometimes I feel like people try to streamline things

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_01]: It's the same thing. It's the same reason why I talked about why I don't use that stuff for that they haven't modern RPGs like make the battles faster

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_01]: You get two times the experience or four times it's like no man. I the game is the game for a reason and that's why I don't like to fuck with that stuff

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I get it. I mean maybe like something like just getting money. Okay fine. I could see that just going in if you kept everything else, but then everything else is really kind of a lot of what like you just said what that in kitos is and then you're really

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Taking that away from you know what that experiences

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was a bad guy to his experience love it or hate it and I get not everyone liked it but not everything is for everybody man

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I would never sit there and say like boulderskeet three you should have like this or that like no man. That's the way that game is

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the way Dragon stock my two is that's the way octopath traveler is

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_01]: You shouldn't change those things that make those things essentially that game and I feel like that in kitos origins did that by the way at this point

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to stress I do actually like this game. I'm not trying to sit here and sit on it and say it's like the worst sequel ever anything even looks what it sounds like

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not I do like this game. It's just as changes make it so far less interesting and there are no bigger changes than the battle system

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Because

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Man, I don't even know where to be in so

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_01]: You still use cards and you still use a deck of cards and build a deck of cards

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_01]: But with none of the personality of the original

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Notice I said deck of cards singular deck of cards and not plural because instead of building out decks for each individual character

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_01]: All three characters share cards from the same deck

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_01]: That means there are no more unique attack cards for people call us you give them the sword cards or

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_01]: You give them the or a fishing or a cards right or whatever you don't do that anymore now

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_01]: There are just generically light medium and heavy attack cards that all the characters can use

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And that sucks ass quite frankly

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_01]: It was so much fun. Steven the original setting those unique weapons to each character plus the defense cards right plus the armor and all that stuff and the food cards

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And there's stuff only men can use only women can use only magic casser skin use right in RPG right all those cards existed as well

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_01]: All that stuff is now at the window. There's no strategy anymore. You don't have to set a goddamn thing I think that really sucks

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Tell your party members share in a deck. It sounds dirty

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, all you're all gonna do for nothing fun. It just sounds wrong

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you want to share by deck we can all use the same deck. It's fine

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I talked about strategy for a second the strategy a battle is now also out the window

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Because all the work is done for you. So in the original as I spoke about before all the cards had a number like playing cards if you remember and

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_01]: You could build hands just like poker hands for like big damage bonus. Okay, I'm gonna use all the eights I have here

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I have like two pair or even two sets of three of a kind

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Right like in that that gets you huge bonus damages

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to do those things to win but they really help and they really give you an edge up and you really want to try to at least

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Stack your deck that way. Okay. Here's a bunch of fours I have

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_01]: But I also have this ice sword with the seven that can go with the three four five six. I already have like you get to set that shit up

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_01]: No more now. This is how it works Steve

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Everything every attack type or equipable is now assigned a number

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So there's like an opener right where it's like hears a fire sword. Here's an ice sword. So now I have that element right or here's an armor

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_01]: That's zero and then one is light attack two is medium attack three is heavy attack

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Four is a level one super five is a level two super six is a level three super so on and so forth. That's it

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_01]: All the cards are predetermined depending on what type they are. So now you just look at the row of cards and you just pick numbers and a row

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Zero one two three four five six if you have them in your deck that's it

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_01]: All the elemental stuff is gone to remember you had to be like okay, I can't use aqua burst and fire burst in the same turn because they're gonna cancel each other out

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not gonna do any damage. None of that shit matters anymore

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_01]: It is so sanitized in a way that I just can't believe it again. It feels like it's catering to people who thought the original was too confusing or too hard or didn't like it or

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_01]: After do all this stuff and I don't get it now here's baby shit easy mode. That's not interesting

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And as a result, I like battles in baton kaitos origins way less than I do the original and

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Again, that just fucking sucks a lot

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I was gonna ask this later by should just ask this now. I haven't played this and forever when I finally do

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Should I just play origins first

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Get the shit over with before getting into the good one again since it's a prequel anyway

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_03]: You know

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Guess yeah, maybe you should you know me I like to play things in order of release no matter what I mean or ordinarily

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I would too, but you're almost building down instead of building up in this case

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_01]: You're right and again

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to stress this. This is not a bad game that really isn't it's just a very average game compared to the heights of the original

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Which was so unique and so cool when you strip all the uniqueness out

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_01]: You're not left with much and you strip all the strategy out

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like come on man. I

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Get it though it would agree. I do get it again

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure there is people who didn't like the way the slow battles went in the original drawing each

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Cartoon the deck one by one watching all those battle animations play out and seeing a result screen for every single turn

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Offence and defense

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_01]: But you know what I did like it and

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Plenty of other people liked it too and to claim this is a bid for popularity

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_01]: A game coming out at the very end of the game cubes life on the third place game cube in America

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Coming out like a month before we hit the shelves

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Can you really claim that you're winning over those people who didn't like the first bat and titles because I don't think you can say that

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_01]: This game was only gonna be for fans only and

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_01]: They screwed them over

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_03]: To be frank. Yeah the only way that works is if they had a we version like near a launch window

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_01]: But obviously that doesn't exist it doesn't exist and it never has yeah

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_01]: You could play game cube games on your Wii and I mostly played this game on Wii right, but

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Jesus Christ man anyway

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_01]: The reasons why I really like this game and this is something that is better than the original and I would say significantly better is the story

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_01]: The first game story is good, but it takes a really long time to get cooking and to pay off and it does pay off

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And those payoffs are worth it believe you me

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Baton kitesis origins has much more entry right away and you're much more interested in what's happening from the outset

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And it keeps getting more interesting as it goes along so story wise and like scenario wise baton kitesis origins is a lot better at that

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I will give it that the dungeons though

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_01]: So far have been very presumptuous with weird stuff that you have no indication that you're supposed to do my favorite kind of dungeon

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_01]: The very first dungeon you get to you're supposed to push a wall that has no indication that you're supposed to do that

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_01]: No one tells you your supposed to do that. Hey, and those ruins

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I heard if you push the wall nobody says anything like that

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't look out of place either like you could push it in the first place. No it just looks like part of the pre-render

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Because at that point look, maybe on GameCube this stuck out a lot more about this game

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Steve version. It doesn't I'll put it I'll put it that way

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_01]: So but again I feel like I felt this way at the time too

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_01]: But the original games objectives are very clear sometimes a dungeon could be dense and very apostle like

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_01]: But you know exactly what you're supposed to do even in the tower jaraga dungeon in the original

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_01]: You knew what you're supposed to do. Yeah, man. I don't know this is like a classic case of not having faith in your product and your game and your audience

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a game catered to people who never cared in the first place and to me that's like the worst kind of catering

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's still fun. It's still it's still bat and kaitos to a degree

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just a lot of that unique this and what made it that game is gone

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, so this is still like a C plus

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_01]: But the original was an A- and I can't help but be disappointed. What's funny Steve?

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll shut the fuck up after this. I didn't feel this way at the time

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I really didn't I'm feeling this way now playing it again

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot less of this game than I did now look

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I did like the original more back then too, but I didn't think this was far off

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Baton kaitos orgis now is way far off for me

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_03]: All right, Chris. I've been

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Routing through some more of my sets here and I guess like if I really wanted to be smart

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I could say well I really wanted to see how what the carbon engine can do or

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I want to see if way forward can do a thing correct port a game correctly

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm gonna be real. I chose today's game River City girl zero because I

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Haven't talked about the super Nintendo on main on the main show at a long-ass time and

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_03]: God damn it. We're gonna find I'm forcing it on your people today

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_01]: You we can talk super Nintendo you've been good you haven't talked super Nintendo all summer

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, what the fuck is River City girl zero?

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I may or may not have heard of this or ignored it or been very mad at it

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Depending on who you are on the internet. I think we should tell the people up front that this game is why way forward blocked me

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_01]: If you remember

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_01]: What was this one? Yeah, this is one because I quoted I quote tweeted this and I said fuck you for doing this

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_01]: The Kunio Kunio

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_01]: They blocked me

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was the first one they blocked you on no, it was this it was this one. Oh

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway who blocked who must I?

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_03]: It's way forward having a project centered around the carbon engine like I just said, you know before

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Limited run came on the LRG three unfortunate name every year to start swinging that dick around

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_03]: That carbon dick. Yeah, namely porting a game that I wouldn't dare pronounce since I'm not taking Japanese on the regular

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Ken Ken Andre pronounced it without offending it all of our listeners

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I was gonna say is this my cue? It's called shinne ketsu koha Kunio touchy no bonca

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, we're putting that game on modern past

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's basically framed as the girls from modern river city girls playing it for science

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_03]: What this really means is it's kind of like if technos was you know alive during the PS1 era and at time where they can

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Ported onto the PS1 and dressed up the Famicom game with you know an anime intro

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm on good based opening and closing and

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_03]: They all knew credit sequence

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_03]: You know that they they stuck those little floors is in there, but it's all wrapped around keeping the actual game as

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Is safe for the translations yes even the original credits that I can't read our

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Intact for everyone who loves this conversation, you know, you know

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_03]: We've been over the past year. Oh, everyone's not getting credited for games properly

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, here's the original ask credits for you

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know that was the framing. I got it admit that is kind of clever and said it just like slap in the game on and like having to be like a

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_01]: That's actually that's actually good. I will give them credit for that

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I need to talk about translations for a second

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to but I need to okay there are two English translations available on top of all the other ones

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_03]: There's Rcg and original and neither one conveys what that is

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_03]: And selecting either one will lock you into it for the duration of the game

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_03]: So as nice as it would be to you know toggle between the two and find out what they did

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I had to go on numerous

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Numbers the forms and things to find out a real answer that wasn't just a loser at home giving me an answer

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Because

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Remember the unicorn overlord asshole from one that game came out of you

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Translation should only be authentic just translate everything wrote and nothing else

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_03]: No flourishes for the audiences you're selling the game to no no final loud

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_03]: No, no fun allowed that that's what original is it reads like in early 2000s

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_03]: You know fan translation

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_03]: It's competent it does what it's supposed to do

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_03]: It's fine. It's not breath of fire too

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_03]: incompetent but it's so incredibly rigid and literal you're just sitting there going

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_03]: We have come such a very

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Far way along and just 20 years of localization

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what those assholes think they want though

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_01]: You know when they talk about that kind of stuff they want them was boring wrote literal translation possible

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I played about 20 minutes of it in the original after clearing it in

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Rcg and it is like oh my god

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_03]: So far up your own ass with that

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_03]: But anyway how is the game that I'm not gonna dare pronounce that loud on this show

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Already did so you don't have to and Andre already did how is the game that is can bet we know we're

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Preserving within the riversity girl zero shell it's

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Interesting

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_03]: It starts with kudio and Ricky beating up inmates in jail to assert dominance

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Breaking out of jail and then going to their respective schools to get their uniforms, you know

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_03]: The source of their power but more importantly

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Their girlfriends, you know at the reason why this game was chosen for the project

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_03]: This is the only game where they're playable so this is the game we're gonna translate

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_01]: That's not a bad idea, but why were they why were they in jail do we do we know

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_03]: There's a doppelganger going around like kudio committing crimes and they

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Come in there gotcha okay. It all comes together as you go around gotcha and

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_03]: In case you're not putting all this together on your own this is not what we're used to in the west

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_03]: This this is a straight beat them up. We have no leveling up no shopping for magazines

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_03]: No sawnays with pixelated fanny service

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_03]: It is the four of you a bunch of moves you can each do with pros and cons

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Verse the streets and the yakuza another weird little gangs that I'll get by them

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_01]: You still get to see kudio's butt

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_03]: There is no kudio's butt. Damn that's like kind of a staple his butt is a staple

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean he gets his butt kicked it's pretty involved for 1994

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Everyone could punch kick block pull one of the

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_03]: aforementioned special moves anytime although this does leave you wide open if you whiff and you are going to whiff

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_03]: You could even curb stop enemies while they're down

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Guys could also just whale on most down enemies while they're down you know just punch him like you know while you got him block down

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the girls can't do this but they also won't be grabbed into a lot

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_03]: They they tried to balance this out as best as they could

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of fun set pieces. You know there's the prison

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_03]: literal collapsing high school. It's literally falling down around them

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_03]: A carnival where you got a climb on top of ferris wheel cars and beat up guys there

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_03]: mode 7 on motor cycles highway where you got to like kick

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Very poorly all a very bad road rash. I don't know kudio ever did a mode 7. Okay

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_03]: He I don't know if this was the only mode 7 but it's a mode it's mode 7 baby

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_03]: We're on super Nintendo. I'm sorry super fanica

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't say the wrong one are else those translation people

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry guys. This is the fun translation. You're right this is super Nintendo

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_03]: But you know like other techno scams this it's not very intuitive on how they want you to do the light platforming

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah like

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Eventually I figured out you would just have to hold down the punch button while climbing up ledges and you know ferris wheel cars for example

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_03]: After well the bosses start becoming some bungee as hell you have infinite continues so that's not an issue

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_03]: But there's no life meter or any real indication other than the occasional flinching or appropriate sound effects that you're doing the right thing

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_03]: The age old strategy of these games have just jumped kick them the death also doesn't really fly because after the first few

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_03]: bosses are more likely to just start blocking then beat you to death

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_01]: You can jump kick a lot of people to death in double dragon however

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Have you ever tried to jump kick to death in a bobo?

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, it takes in eternity

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_01]: It takes forever you can do it but good luck

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_01]: It works but

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Woo get a drink

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this is a hit time to mention that this game has a more sadistic version of the

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_03]: TMNT one-life system where all four characters share life but have their own life meter

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_03]: So if you're smart, you can tag out when one of them is like getting low

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_03]: But if not game over even if you got three fresh folks just wait in there. Oh no oops

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it is annoying but like I said infinite continues

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_03]: But unfortunately this is one of those kinds of games where it stops respecting its own established rules after a certain point

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_03]: A story event makes the river city grills zero go away for the last third of the game

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_03]: So bye by half of your lives

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And then you start fighting people that just seemingly do whatever the hell they want

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_03]: There's like a tall Donald Trump caricature who just

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_03]: walks around with his hands and his shoe pockets and he just kicks you and sometimes you just throws you half leg cruster and I'm like oh

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I guess that that's fair. That's new

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_03]: And then you come this really comes to a head with the last boss who literally brings a gun

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Not like rock steady and Ninja Turtles arcade where you know he has the machine gun and it tickles a little bit

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_03]: No, I mean

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_03]: He shoots once for 90% of your health if you don't jump or dodge just so it feels very very spiteful

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_01]: When you that feels like the last guy in

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Final fight who pulls out the harpoon gun the guy in the wheelchair

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And all of a sudden he's like okay, I'm gonna shoot you bitch and it's like whoa what happened to my life

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess it is kind of like that but here it's kind of worse because he just pulls out a gun just shoots your and

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_03]: It is a very small window to jump and you only have Cunio and Ricky so you so if he shoots one you got a swap out to the other otherwise

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_03]: He's gonna walk over

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Punch you and then that's it. You got to restart the thing again, and he's gonna do his whole spiel on I was so close

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Villain must villain because villain was villain. I mean I didn't hate my time here

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_03]: But you know that last bit of the game really makes this tough to

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Recommend like I said it's it's there's a lot of fun things to do but

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_03]: It's it's got a weird price hike because of what they added on

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_03]: This is for the super Nintendo or Cudio Cudin Thurusius I can't just blanket recommend this one. I I enjoyed it you

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Folks at home or might you know, I do some

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Research of your own look at the game. I don't know. Yeah, this sounds like interesting enough

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess it's funny that we don't really hear about the 16 bit outing

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Really as much I guess it's more of a Famicom thing the super Famicom this series, but

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Did we ever get any here? I know the perspec a dodgeball game on super Nintendo, right?

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Did we ever get that one? No, but that is on Nintendo Switch Online super Famicom

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_01]: But we didn't we didn't get that one. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I would like to check this out, but

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_01]: You know way forward maybe if it gets like super doop or cheap

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, we're gonna take a break on the other side of this break then is going to join me real quick to talk about his experience at

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Evo 2024 you back in my second

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, then is here. I have retrieved him from the ether of Las Vegas. What are you doing here?

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_02]: The ether man. It was really toasty you know's 108 degrees that we can it? Oh my fucking god

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean like look I mean up here in northern Nevada it was you know a hundred degrees every day

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_01]: But it wasn't won no one 18. I'll tell you that much

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean Jesus Christ I've experienced that though. I've told Jespent

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Like three weeks one time in Vegas visiting a friend and late August early September this is like 2002

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was that hot and this is when Mario Sunshine came out

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_01]: You lived the same thing felt like a literal oasis

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_01]: It did

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_01]: This is a water

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_02]: You're so sitting memories with the weather of Vegas. Oh my god

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm imprinting it at Mario Sunshine yeah you got the four D experience when you please sunshine

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Vio the third y'all's there's glitzy

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep basically well you went to Evo for not the first time right you've been before

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I've been before so I went in 2010 it was all but I get OAS conference all that point

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I just happened to be in Vegas that weekend so I just happened to be visiting so like I I ditched my family

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I went into the go like a

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Spectanie for in 2010 and then um I went again properly in 2018 so yeah

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Well the reason why I said oh no is because I was thinking about the state of 2010

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Like so what is that like blaze blue and

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Is it fun?

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it gave us your favorite ultra fighter for but we can't correct the joke anymore because now there's a literal

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Also actually made it all to she fighter for yeah, but it was a super she fighter for the grand finals

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And I got tell you all my camera footage from that era. Oh my god. It was glorious

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Dude you used to piss me off with like shitty camera shots of stuff at the time let alone

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, this was like shit. You know I would even say that 10 a little lonely

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_02]: But speaking of blaze blue so I've I've a ghetto ass anecdote

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_02]: So that was the year that blaze blue continuum shift couldn't be grand finals

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think because the console version had a come out yet or some tech decalely right

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_02]: So like but people ran casuals

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I think so like there's those random continued shifts stations

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like I want to place the new character that's exclusive the console

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I like trying to jack some casual sit-up and then I got boo-hoo, oh my god

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know why I don't know why you thought that was a good idea just pick just pick a light to you look an

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Ormoper sin or whatever

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, so you went to evo

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_01]: 2024 and

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think the audience knows who you're going now and certainly you know me where

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't do the spectator stuff on

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_01]: video games. I really don't

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Like and it's not just fighting games

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't really watch like twitch of just people playing games too often

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_01]: That's just not really for me. I'm like personality driven

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I like to watch a person talk and do stuff. It doesn't really matter what they're playing

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I like to watch that person

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, of course. I feel like evo is now an event where even if you don't really care

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_01]: That much about watching the actual like matches which you will and we'll get to that in a second

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_01]: What else can you do it? evo now what is there for just the super casual?

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know shit or I don't care about shit. What is there at evo now for people to do?

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I've been saying for a while now

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_02]: This was true even in 2018, but it's particularly true now

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_02]: That evo is all but a convention at this point. So if you get down to a 20,000 after 30,000 attendees

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_02]: They didn't compete in a game right so you can kind of treat it is like a miniature like E3

[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm speaking which is what I did during day one

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I also jump from booth to booth playing like games that hadn't come out yet

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Right so I went right to the SNK booth to play the fourth coming city the wolves and like a

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Cool man like I really thoroughly enjoyed like that like I'll play all these games sampling everything

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_02]: There's an artist outly

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_02]: There's there's an art gallery with like all sorts of cool like fighting game posters over the decades and

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_02]: There's like a does a joystick museum because check out all these arcades sticks and like there's just so much visually going on at this event

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it looked like

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Not just a lot of people but a lot of people doing convention stuff

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that's the thing I feel like they've turned it into a real fighting game convention

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a fighting con. It's not really the just the matches anymore, which I guess is still the main attraction and of course should be

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_01]: But man did you get some free Chipotle burritos or because I saw Chipotle was all up in that bitch

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I I did text twice and I still get to redeem them

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_02]: But I have a little I've like two weeks of redeeming so I better not look at you

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_02]: You think it's you

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_01]: What are you greedy ass motherfucker? Wow

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's one for details like date two finals and date three finals. I could like not try it

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, dude

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Damn

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm getting my my

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Like a basic bitch cuz I got one

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_01]: For those who know they flash us up on the screen at some point during I think day three grand finals

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like hey text this to this number and you'll get a free Chipotle burrito. I certainly got a burrito

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_02]: That's great

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't even give out it seems like like everyone got one

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know if they like denied any of the text messages

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I told she's right after I did mine

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I told him about it and he didn't get one

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_01]: That's because he's out and knew you're so I wasn't

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_01]: What the fuck is her to do with anything anyway? Tell me tell me about shitty of the wolves tell me about

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_01]: The new fatal fury game city of the wolves because I've been hot on this can you confirm a suspicion of mine now

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I know you look you only got so much time with the game

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't get to dick with it too much, but the reason why I'm interested in city of the wolves is that it feels from looking at it

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_01]: feels like the old Street Fighter EX system of like

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Linking supers into supers if you have the bar you can do it like you can do uh

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't I don't know if dux moves exist in this game. I know they don't really do that

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_02]: They're called they're not they function as EX moves, but they're not call that because okay

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_01]: But they they they they they have the X moves yeah

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_01]: But like so you can you link that into a super. Oh, I still have bar I can do another super

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Does it work in that like Street Fighter EX LOLEX manner?

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I did not try EX of supers, but it's similarly free form because EX is do work in the EXes

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So there is that um, I can verify that happens and if you do do that like you kind of kiss your rev gauge good bike

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Because it all like totally like cuz everything all of your functions

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_02]: In city the wolves revolve around the rev gauge it's like the so kind of like the the drive gauge and like Street Fighter 6

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_02]: But so everything revolves around it, right? So like you can't do an EX to an EX

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_02]: But uh you're you're gonna wrap up if you do that for you hit

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_01]: It'll say like so it's reverse. It's the reverse Street Fighter 6 where like

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Reving up is bad you don't want to be you don't want to get to 100% versus like Street Fighter 6

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_01]: The green gauge is like you don't want that to go all the way down this is not the opposite

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't want it to go up. Yeah, it's going to put in it's just the inverse of that pretty much yeah

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so if you do this game if you're quote unquote burned out

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I still say like over heat and so you can't perform any of the functions that require the rev gauge of course

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_02]: But uh I'm not 100% sure but uh I think like you have a lot more blocks to your basically a huge disadvantage

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like being burned out. You don't really want to be in that state because you'll just be like super fast

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what about what about what about chip?

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Like do you do you take chip damage normally in this game or is it only is like Street Fighter 6 only when you're burned out or did you notice it all

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't really notice

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I feel like you were old's taking chip damage

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know for sure if like for example

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_02]: You can be killed by chip damage because some games like kind of have done away with that

[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_02]: So I didn't really get to excessively test that part

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_01]: That's one very old school thing about me is that I love chip and I miss chip

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And I and I really do feel like fighting games work best when chip damage is not only in play

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_01]: But it can also kill you and I get it like they don't want to have like checkmate situations where it's like

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you know, I don't have any life left this. I'm just gonna stand up and block this fire while blocking or not

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm dead but like honestly true fighter six already has checkmate situations

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't like yeah because if you get in the corner and you're burned out

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_01]: You're not stopping that drive and packed your fuck

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_01]: There's literally nothing you can do about it

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_01]: It's too much like a yellow like yellow jump or something

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess you're like that's a great idea

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_01]: That's I mean like you could try you could try it, right?

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_01]: You can try but that's like you're only recourse, right?

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but like anyway what's so funny what like I miss chip you right?

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I know sure laughing when I start about chip damage what is it just like that's very old school or something

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I got to do a segue really quick if you get excuse me so like I did compete in third straight

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Street fire three third shake was the only game I competed in so like I got said the loses by the super

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_02]: MLG can player also I'll play a later for context. He's not commonly played as

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Guess how I won like my entire game two

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess you go I won both rounds in

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Game two with brave dance super art chip damage this how I

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I love it dude, it's honestly like the thing I like most about like versus games like the Marvel games is that chip damage is crazy

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_01]: You could just spam supers over it over all like it was block and you get chip. I love that shit

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean that's like a legit strategy as you well know like if you have like five bars

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_01]: You can just like fucking like your psychops being four times okay chip chip that shit out

[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, dude you keep I love it. I genuinely love that about Marvel games so like I don't know maybe I'm a chip

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Lover chip damage lover except chip from guilty gear

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I don't

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Some chip damage

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't do any damage

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_02]: No, he does not yeah, but um that's how I won my second my second match because I'm thankful because the chip dips

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_02]: But it didn't say a see for for for chip or cheaper whatever when I won because you'll try to do a desperate

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Perry to like yeah, and he fucked up the pair. I get that's all that's all you can really fucking do though man

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know I wish I think if Street Fighter 6 gets a big revision

[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I think chip damage

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I really do think it would work in that game. I do

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Like general chip damage not just when you're burned out. Oh general because you have

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Because you have pair because you have Perry

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Why not take chip damage from blocking you already have Perry if you don't want to take chip than Perry?

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, I don't know it's a slippery slope. I didn't understand your logic but like maybe they don't want to be too

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Perry-tastic it's it's hard to say but it's like

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Cuz I think like they're kind of scared of making it to MLG

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_02]: In terms of like oh, I got a

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Reliational beer but the executional barrier is gone for you just literally press two buttons

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Take it down, but it does dream that gets pretty fast

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to hold it down, but I think it's like easier than tapping forward or tapping down

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, you just press two buttons. Yeah, that's my opinion anyway

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Back to EVO and I want to talk about something else that you played there and I need you to talk my dumb fuck idiot ass

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_01]: out of

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Getting Dragon Ball Z sparking zero because it looks so good

[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_01]: It looks like so much fun. I know it's gonna be trash, but like you tell me what you thought when you played that game there

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I gotta tell you when I was lined up for it

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Well first of all like they they're pretty

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_02]: To the two size most statues. I think it was ultra instant goku and jeer end and

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So I took a photo off of it

[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_02]: It looks like jeer was like grabbing my shoulder or something when I'm trying to like do a comey a me up

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Like putting his hand on your shoulder or something

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because he was trying to like do a like a a key blast or something it gets goku, but my body was obscuring it

[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So like what is like you're doing

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_02]: It was richer on my shoulder grabbing your something. Yeah, he was saying what's up pal?

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_02]: He was doing I VJR in friend

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_02]: You know so the first I noticed in line was that the the hair movement is crazy the hair animation

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_01]: So pretty

[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_01]: This whiskey locks this is this is not a PS4 game baby. They are there doing stuff yeah

[00:45:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Something press by goku's hair and like why my press by his hair?

[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_02]: This is crazy

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, why are you like why are you impressed by his hair like you wouldn't think we can be impressed by goku hair after

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_01]: A million years of look at a zillion games but here we are right right

[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_02]: So I actually looked at a little bit of boonu Kai three foot is just like see if I was crazy

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Imagine like this hair was like godlike but no low and behold that hair was like ps2 static life right

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like this dog that game is fucking

[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Three generations oh, like yeah, so of course he's gonna look like ass

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know what you hear such a thing like like I just want to see it man

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm looking at cuz been so long but like um so this game is really really cool

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Of course as you can imagine

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_02]: All the particle effects like everything that glow is it's like

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_02]: It really immerses you into like the experiences of the game even though like it is still like the same get-alias like sort of a rena-based

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Anime fighting like shenadigan so I mean like you just mash the buttons and you'll just like auto comp

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_02]: You'll just like chase him and auto comp or like whatever, but the fan server is really there

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_02]: So I chose a team of like pick a low like adult gohan and beerus for some reason

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like I don't know why these three guys are ganggy up on like Vegeta for some reason but it's like really funny

[00:46:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Fighting games baby

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_02]: This is like like why would these three guys mean group and I want Vegeta so like a you can tag freely

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And then the one that could have stood out to me is like transformations actually have like a duration

[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So like you can't just stay like Vegeta blue for like forever so like there's a little bit of like thought that goes into a

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Really ultimately

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's back up. I'm sorry. Did you say this is a tag game?

[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_01]: You can choose a yeah, you can't yeah

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_02]: It says a three on three fighting game well like I was only fighting Vigy by himself, but I think oh

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Like in the demo like it was just Vegeta that I'll fight against but I don't think you have to play with

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_02]: With three I think you could just choose one. I don't think you have to like opt it

[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like it's like cap conferences S&K 2 where you can pick one two or three people and then ratio them out

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Is it like that?

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_02]: It was not ratio based it was just simply just picking it's I think they were even power so I think it was just like you can

[00:47:23] [SPEAKER_02]: She's back up characters attacking into if you want to I don't but I think you share life bar

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I think if I'm not totally mistaken so

[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, yeah, it was kind of weird tag man. It's kind of strangely implemented but like a

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It seemed like more of just optional fan service so I mean that was kind of curious but it's not like I didn't really like

[00:47:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Test them it can so if you really wanted to be like

[00:47:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Trunks and like future trunks and

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Like you know have some sort of weird like dream team of things that are impossible

[00:47:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess it's cool to have like now I'm tagging out now. I have the sword bitch or something

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's like uh yeah go take to fight alongside the mr. swordsman

[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess if you want to live out your drag-able fantasies

[00:48:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you got any of those but I mean you try I mean the answer is yes

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not gonna divulge them here

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Completely embarrassed myself, but yeah, I'm a look

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm already embarrassed because I know I want this game and all I had to hear was here in fan service

[00:48:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think I'm sold I'm gonna feel like such a fucking mark if I spend $70 on this bullshit

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I know it's gonna play like fuck and I know it's gonna piss me off, but look at it

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And nothing you said today has has made my fears go away

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think I'm just gonna have to bite the bullet and feel like an asshole

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_02]: They just showed like all the characters from like the freeze of soccer or like whatever like all gazillion million

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_02]: little two-bit characters like

[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Wupp all the rasses if you want, man. Oh my god well, okay

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to ask you about one more thing actually two more things one thing real quick before you get to the last thing

[00:49:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, they shadow dropped SVC chaos

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_01]: on

[00:49:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Steam during this event on that Saturday morning or whatever, so I guess day two

[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_01]: and also

[00:49:18] [SPEAKER_01]: SNK changed their booth

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_01]: at evil to reflect this fact so like

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_01]: They could have they could have shadow dropped it on the Friday and then had the booth there right?

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_01]: No man, they went all the way

[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_01]: So like can you tell me what you thought like the difference you saw the SNK booth on Friday, right?

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Was it that com Saturday where you like what the fuck or like

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_02]: It was crazy cuz like yeah, I went off Friday because I was it's literally just city the walls right so like I was I went there on day one

[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So I could take a picture

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Next to the terrian hotel roof standies or whatever so I could get my inflatable chairs

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Cheer stick right which is actually just a beer bottle bullet

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's what my priority is all about city wolves so like on Saturday

[00:50:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I watched K and K fire's 50s grand finals and something about

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Evo is that they always have announcements after every before or after every single grand final

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_02]: So like the announcements are actually a big draw

[00:50:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Right so then like they showed like the vice of a church trail and like okay whatever

[00:50:17] [SPEAKER_02]: They had just shown down on Friday

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Then they nice showed FVC chaos like out of nowhere and like I lost my mind them like why is this game back

[00:50:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Like this game is like this game is so ghetto why is it back?

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like let's be real. It's it's not good right it's kind of fun

[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_01]: It's fun to look at and it's fun to do some stuff in but it's not it's not a good game is not a good game

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_02]: So a

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Slee I went back and then they showed some city the wolf after words and then I went back to the booth after it

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And there's a giant ass standy

[00:50:45] [SPEAKER_02]: They managed to hide the standy somewhere the S&K booth and they presumably they pulled it out after like the grand finals were done

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_02]: So just like stared at and like bro like and then not only they had the giant standy

[00:50:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Put um SVC cast off into their b-roll in the monitors behind city of the wolves they actually had different like video real

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like what and they're getting they had posters to give out so I have a ghetto ass SVC chaos poster like behind me right now

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_02]: They're so ready for like why do I have one of these?

[00:51:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, why is this happening well we know why it's happening. They're leading up to the CVS collection

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Nice that it has to be the only reason especially since a few years ago

[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_01]: They put out the card game. I think the DS ones plus the Neo Geopalkic color one right?

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_01]: There they're leading Terry and my are gonna be in true feather six season come on like it's all the all the

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Rides on the wall. This is what we're leading to yeah

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_01]: SVC chaos is not a very good game, but it's interesting game

[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I think we'll talk about that next big deal

[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, fascinating, but it's cleaning is for better or worse it's fascinating

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I do love that the metry spray though. I do I do so

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_02]: It's actually doing joy, but yeah, that particular one's cool like yeah, that is cool

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I got though. Oh

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yuck

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_02]: He's so un-stovey. Let's not back in no-cha-dome or something it's terrible

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's terrible

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I actually like it to a degree but it's weird. It's awkward. Is it back? I do not I do not

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Back pain

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_01]: It's I think it's I think that's one of the worst sprays in the game

[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what worse, but that is pretty weird. Yes. Yeah

[00:52:31] [SPEAKER_01]: It's terrible

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, one last thing I want to ask you about so as I said earlier

[00:52:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not really into like sitting at my computer and watching people play tech and aid it's not really

[00:52:43] [SPEAKER_01]: It has to be a real special game to me and that game for me right now is true fighter six

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's one of the best fighting games ever

[00:52:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's a good feeling at least playable and I like to see people play it because it's that cool

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, I don't really feel I love tech and eight two and I haven't I didn't really watch that stuff

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting. Yeah, um, it's not really I mean I watched like some of the last match

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I think we're watching that Nina cook

[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I forgot who's but I is arson as ripsome a is yeah, that was fun, right?

[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you see a dragon off because nobody wants a dragon off mirrors because I'm

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Forty-self yeah, for those who don't know drive everyone just picks dragon off and yeah

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not just the need of Nina actually won the tech in aid. Yeah fancy that

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Nina Williams herself playing tech in eight the real

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Literally Nina

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_01]: But I want to ask you about the crowd because there were some hype moments

[00:53:39] [SPEAKER_01]: You watch you went to all the grand finals most of them or

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, did you go to mortal one combat?

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I did not know

[00:53:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I was doing some other hangout stuff so I missed under night in MK1 in the middle of day two

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I'm sure you didn't care too much, but yeah

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I think the final I think the finals of mortal one combat was a Johnny Cage mirror, so I don't really

[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It was a pixel part though, so I mean for what is worth? I heard it was super close

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe I need it. Oh, but still year, but it's mortal one combat

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I still have yet to reinstall it. Wait, what who said that?

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_01]: What well you're a fake fighting game fan anyway

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to ask you about crowd energy because look, I love sports. I love real sports

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, so like I love baseball. I love going to sporting events, right? Yes

[00:54:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Can you tell me and so do you by the way? So I want you to tell me how you feel

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Like watching something as hype as some of those third strike finals moments or Street Fighter six got down to the fucking wire

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And rooting for people rooting against people to win

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Versus like does it feel the same as like going to a ballgame? I get like every sport is different, but like I'm talking about like crowd energy and feel and like the moment

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you did this at compare while like watching a fighting game? The energy. Well, I just got out of a giant's rock

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_02]: He's double-header and I saw the giants whoop their ass

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_02]: So I mean I can definitely you know first hand compared the energy there off like they're very similar, but there's almost a certain degree of like

[00:55:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Impromptu zeitgeist it goes behind like fighting game shenanigans because like

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Like they're like she fighter sex like you saw we saw like a Ed do is super and then like after like he kept on doing this projectile level to use fireball super

[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Eventually people and crowd just start changing like your mind which is I guess is one of his lines

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_02]: It'll like wait what is like random like you're going so like there's certain like shenanigans that just kind of happened

[00:55:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Whereas like maybe like the my bill like baseball is a little less impromptu in that regard

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_02]: So I mean that that sort of entered so the amount of energy is like the same right and

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_02]: People definitely like gasped like certain plays when it comes down to like 10 10s moments and fighting games, but

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I would definitely say yeah

[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was I was thinking about the

[00:56:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Impromptu part and it's like yeah

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_01]: That can happen in sports, but it's not it's not like very immediate like that like the like the whole like the Luke thing like the going down to Memphis

[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Right like you're like well, we are whatever right like now that's a line

[00:56:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care nobody cares what he actually said. It's Memphis now

[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_01]: But like stuff like that. Yeah, I think that is the unique

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Thing to

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Fighting games every sport has their unique stuff right like I know like in a hockey game

[00:56:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure you've seen like when you know someone has a hat trick everyone literally throws her hats like on the ice

[00:56:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Like literally like you know like like that's a thing and hockey that can't happen in any other sport, right?

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, so you know fighting game. I'm sure like evo can have their own stuff too

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Just because of the personalities of the people playing also the personalities of the characters being played

[00:57:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and the person the were personalities the Hugo player high-oh was like very popular

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, dog he was going nuts like that. Yeah, yeah

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_02]: People are changing high-oh like like after anything like that clutch play that is all over the internet now like people like

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Clean myself for like you go you go you it's like crazy

[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like that was actually really special being there. That was really interesting

[00:57:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Like because like I can never imagine a thousand years thought I'd ever be changing Hugo during like a third strike finals

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, or like a top six right like how would you have a predict that because like that

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah Hugo of all I mean just that that's that's crazy and that's why watch that shit because it wasn't yeah

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_01]: It ended up as Chunlee versus you and of course it did because that's the that's the be-all-indulv the world right

[00:57:52] [SPEAKER_01]: But I've been till then up until then I was kind of watching it because I was watching the Hugo was watching the Elena

[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I was watching whatever so

[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, but once I got to that and like now I don't care who wins fucking

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, you know, I like to see I like to see stuff like that

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think and I think I'll end with this. I think that's why I like to watch newer fighting games because they're so

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I think sometimes true feder six is described as volatile and I think that's true

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Because like you know anybody can win that shit

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_01]: There's no like there's no clear. Oh, this is the best characters not like fighting games of the 90s were fucked up

[00:58:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody there was like very clear like best characters

[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Infants you could do not even glitches, but just there was it was so unbalanced because that's just the way it went and that was okay

[00:58:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Right it's not those games can't be fun

[00:58:46] [SPEAKER_01]: But nowadays we have to play we have done so many fighting games when we have played so many where people are savvy enough to be like hey

[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_01]: We can find some tech with people and stuff just as an as busted

[00:58:58] [SPEAKER_01]: So I just think it's a lot more fun to watch Street Fighter six and it is to watch third strike or whatever

[00:59:04] [SPEAKER_02]: The the situation the the sort of game state is always shifting with all the updates and all the different season all like

[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Changes and um yeah, like that grand fun. It was came down to like two hits apart like that could have been like

[00:59:19] [SPEAKER_02]: That could have been big birds for she'd like if he did a good read right

[00:59:24] [SPEAKER_02]: But he got down to that last round and of course camey took it but like yeah, it was so close so tense and who's this

[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Who's this is gonna be anything like this next year?

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, of course the game's going to be back next year

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_01]: But that sports though right because like sometimes the super bowl is a blow out sometimes

[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like it comes down to the last play and when it comes down to the last play it's it's those points where you could say okay

[00:59:47] [SPEAKER_01]: They're they're equally as good right yeah, you have to have a winner

[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_01]: but it's also like you know

[00:59:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Any any finals game NBA finals game that comes down to you know

[00:59:57] [SPEAKER_01]: 103 to 101 or something like that okay

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a couple literally a couple bounces of the ball literally. Yep. It's a couple dribbles right who's to say who's better and to watch

[01:00:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Something come down to the wire like that is

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_01]: In something like that where you know two people are the best I think

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Can really be as good as quantum quote real sports right?

[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't need for the longest time again. I was just like I ain't watching this shit

[01:00:23] [SPEAKER_01]: You think I'm gonna sit here at my computer and watch people play fighting games you got another thing coming bluster

[01:00:29] [SPEAKER_01]: This geto stream call the in 2010. Oh, oh the stream quality back there. Oh fucking forget about it

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I was I'm watching handheld cams

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Fuck you. I'm no thank you

[01:00:40] [SPEAKER_01]: But now the genre and spectators side of it and the games themselves have all caught up to be

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Something really special and watchable even for a long time skeptic like me

[01:00:54] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's great that you got to go there

[01:00:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I would love to go sometime maybe not next year. I don't know when I would this isn't even I would attend now

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_02]: You would get my alleged out of it for sure, you know just checking the sights and

[01:01:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Sliced the sounds and man. They're just so many boosts

[01:01:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't get to do everything. I wish I could have spent more time in that arcade

[01:01:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Boy, I barely got the play and there. I didn't get this vision one time the artist's all these

[01:01:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted so just I couldn't I think I would because I would want to watch less stuff

[01:01:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, so like you know me like I would I would probably want to spend more time there

[01:01:25] [SPEAKER_01]: That's great that now we have the option for some other times you definitely just show up and watch anyway

[01:01:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Then thanks for joining me for this. Thanks for talking about evo. We will be right back

[01:02:12] [SPEAKER_01]: All right folks

[01:02:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks again to then for talking evo with us but now Steve

[01:02:19] [SPEAKER_01]: We need to have an impromptu to facciation. We're gonna actually two sessions, but this is session number one

[01:02:25] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a new flavor of Pepsi

[01:02:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Peach. I don't know if it's officially called peach pepsi or whatever it just says oh, I don't know

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_01]: It says Pepsi and then on the side peach with a bunch of peach emojis on it. It looks like

[01:02:38] [SPEAKER_01]: So

[01:02:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess yeah

[01:02:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I just as Pepsi says peach on the side and lots of peaches are on the label the leaves are blue

[01:02:47] [SPEAKER_01]: The leaves are yeah. Oh, that's weird

[01:02:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're the leaves of the peach or Pepsi blue. That's kind of strange. Okay

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_01]: We're just gonna do this taste test on the air. I think it's I think the last thing we tried was story

[01:02:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that was our first and only life taste test on the air. Was it? I thought we did something else anyway

[01:03:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what I remember. I'm too old this shows been on for 15 years. I don't I don't remember

[01:03:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Incredible thanks for listening over the years everybody

[01:03:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you. Yeah, so we just got our out of our respective fridges. My my thang is nice and frosty

[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Shall we open up? Let's open

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_01]: all right

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't smell like peach

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Smells like someone

[01:03:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Waved a peach around it. I don't even smell that much, but I have a shitty sense of smell. Okay, you want to have a sip?

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, let's go cheers. Oh

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Let me have another set. Oh no

[01:04:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel bad after taste

[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_03]: You know

[01:04:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I was about to disagree with you on the first sip but then the second one is

[01:04:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god. It's still with me on dry. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's still tastes to do. Yeah, you know

[01:04:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a weird after taste. I'm not digging in. Let me let me have a little

[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_01]: That's not terrific. It's not it's not great

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not great. It's not as offensive as I thought this was gonna be going in

[01:04:34] [SPEAKER_03]: But I wouldn't you show me pictures of the 12 packs next through Pepsi lime which they finally caught up to cook on that

[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Remember that not since from 20 years ago. I'm anyway it was okay

[01:04:47] [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm glad I didn't have to scoop to get in a 12 pack because then I'd have to look you know pretend this is okay

[01:04:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Be like hey guys

[01:04:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm grilling outside of what's a peach Pepsi please drink the peach Pepsi

[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Otherwise I got to use it to clean the toilet

[01:05:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Just let it foam up in there. Yeah, this is kind of a mess from Pepsi. You show it like Pepsi flavors

[01:05:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I like obviously like cherry Pepsi

[01:05:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I've liked other recent flavors that they've had that are weird like even of the vanilla one when they tried

[01:05:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Never try it remember they did Pepsi vanilla after vanilla coke ever that should

[01:05:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I never cared for vanilla so it was in the first place. I know who they were going for with that

[01:05:28] [SPEAKER_03]: They were going after my mother Sheila she loves those the vanilla so it is the root beers

[01:05:33] [SPEAKER_01]: But uh, that was never a fan yeah, you don't they had so weird you don't like root beer

[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Keep forgetting that you don't I don't know I some taking more sips here. It's not really that bad

[01:05:44] [SPEAKER_01]: But I definitely wouldn't buy it again. This isn't a repeat purchase

[01:05:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure I'll finish this bottle, but I'm not buying this again

[01:05:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's it's it's not great, but it's it's drinkable. It's it's a good novelty

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I would give this a not recommended though

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think any what you got in by this unless you're just really curious and you like to try different

[01:06:04] [SPEAKER_01]: So to flavors like us. I think this is kind of a thumbs down, but not by much it's not terrible, but yeah

[01:06:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean you if if the choices were you know

[01:06:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Dying or going to the peach Pepsi promotional fan that looks like that shape like a peach and only has peach Pepsi well, you know

[01:06:22] [SPEAKER_03]: You won't it won't kill you you can drink it

[01:06:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Peach Pepsi it's better than dying

[01:06:34] [SPEAKER_03]: So you guys after two seasons on Paramount Plus

[01:06:39] [SPEAKER_03]: The Halo series has been officially canceled

[01:06:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Saying Paramount Plus can confirm that Halo will not move forward with a third season on the service

[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_03]: They continue we deeply appreciate that millions of fans that

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Propel the Halo series to be a global success and we remained committed to broadening the Halo universe in different ways in the

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Future we are grateful to Amblin and Paramount for their partnership in bringing our expensive expensive expensive

[01:07:11] [SPEAKER_03]: universe

[01:07:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Reviewers around the world

[01:07:14] [SPEAKER_01]: You said it right the first time

[01:07:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Who said that three four three or paramount themselves or

[01:07:23] [SPEAKER_01]: That was three four three three three

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, man so

[01:07:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Audrey do you remember this even existing because

[01:07:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I forgot all about it

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Until after this came out

[01:07:40] [SPEAKER_03]: But more importantly, does this even stand a chance of getting chopped around elsewhere like or you know

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Well we just

[01:07:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Showed like glass to us and fall out. Gonna keep this buried

[01:07:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think you're right the last of us and fall out are gonna keep this buried

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think what we're really finding out Steve is that

[01:08:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Halo just doesn't really hit like that anymore

[01:08:06] [SPEAKER_01]: It just doesn't because Xbox doesn't hit like that anymore

[01:08:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Halo sold the original Xbox and

[01:08:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's any coincidence that as the profile of that series got lower and lower

[01:08:20] [SPEAKER_01]: So did the profile of Xbox I think they're

[01:08:25] symbiotic

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_01]: You know and yeah, there are other reasons why Xbox is in this popular is it used to be but I think that's the main reason and

[01:08:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Let me put it this way. Okay

[01:08:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's say Nintendo puts out a Mario movie like 10 years ago

[01:08:39] [SPEAKER_01]: When the hot new game was like super Mario 3D world

[01:08:43] [SPEAKER_01]: But that wasn't really the hot new game was it

[01:08:47] [SPEAKER_01]: It was a fine enough game on a system nobody cared about

[01:08:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, but if they released a Mario movie then it would have done just fine and it would have been profitable

[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_01]: But not exactly setting the world on fire like the Mario movie did

[01:09:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's what's happened to Halo people have already forgotten about Halo infinite man

[01:09:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody cares and there hasn't been a Halo game that has really popped mainstream since what would you say Halo reach?

[01:09:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess it's been that long yeah

[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Because Halo 4 didn't even really pop like that. I don't think no

[01:09:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like the world came to a stop when Halo 3 came up, but you know that was a different time dog

[01:09:32] [SPEAKER_01]: That was

[01:09:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I her a friend of mine was getting married that weekend and Halo 3 came out that weekend

[01:09:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And my friends who were in the Halo one to play Halo 3 and we went to the wedding

[01:09:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I remember sitting in my friends garage playing

[01:09:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Halo 3 in a full fucking suit. I wore to this wedding my rented suit and we're also held around the TV playing like split screen like

[01:09:57] [SPEAKER_01]: For player like campaign Halo 3 it was that was 2007 baby

[01:10:03] [SPEAKER_03]: So I guess I guess when you're really trying to say is maybe

[01:10:07] [SPEAKER_03]: This would have been you know the prestige series in 2008

[01:10:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not today or

[01:10:13] [SPEAKER_01]: 10 maybe like okay shit. I feel like if they did this around the launch a Halo 5 let's say they put us out in 2015

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like this would have done way better

[01:10:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I see that people would have watched this at that game to go

[01:10:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's that's basically I feel I feel like the moment is past dude

[01:10:34] [SPEAKER_01]: The borderlands movies gonna come out shouldn't that have come out in 2015

[01:10:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I think everyone's confused about that movie

[01:10:42] [SPEAKER_01]: What is it rated serrated R it better be rated R? I'm not good. I have no

[01:10:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Fucking idea what do you think before I'll look it up. What do you think?

[01:10:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna say PG 13 fucking it's R are okay

[01:10:57] [SPEAKER_01]: It's PG 13 I'm not seeing I should have won my first

[01:11:00] [SPEAKER_01]: What what about your losses? I'm not watching a PG 13 fuck that

[01:11:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, no thank you

[01:11:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just trying to get the bad memory of the monster hunter movie out of my head still. I never saw it

[01:11:13] [SPEAKER_03]: But I just remember seeing the trailers and they didn't know what I understood what was what that was

[01:11:19] [SPEAKER_01]: That came out like during lockdown right didn't that come out like

[01:11:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, either during lockdown or a year after lockdown they just snuck it in there

[01:11:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Like if there was a movie to hope everyone forgot about and never release it was that but they put it out

[01:11:35] [SPEAKER_01]: At least the uncharted movie like what's a success it made money

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean I can't believe it did

[01:11:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd feel like people just showed up to see Tom Holland though. I don't think they actually care about uncharted

[01:11:46] [SPEAKER_03]: To be fair we don't really care about uncharted and we're a video game podcast

[01:11:51] [SPEAKER_01]: All right Steve grasshopper manufacturer had one of their little

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Directs or whatever they're calling them today as of this recording and if you remember how wacky the last one was you remember that shit that she was insane

[01:12:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I also remember they didn't show any video games on there, so we didn't cover it on our show

[01:12:10] [SPEAKER_01]: No and it came out way too late. Maybe we were sitting around at the recording deck here

[01:12:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, oh yeah, yeah, it's like okay these it's delayed

[01:12:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess it's like fuck it just go to bad all ended the show if there's anything in there pertinent

[01:12:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll attack it in at the end of by myself. There's not the really that pertinent

[01:12:27] [SPEAKER_01]: There wasn't a whole lot of game announcement stuff that was pertinent here

[01:12:30] [SPEAKER_01]: They mostly just talked about shadows of the damn hello remastered, which is a fantastic name for a remaster

[01:12:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Shinchimakami joined suit of 51 on this presentation

[01:12:42] [SPEAKER_01]: So there's only one thing on my mind killer fucking seven baby

[01:12:47] [SPEAKER_01]: The game they wrote together and they produced together at Capcom when Shinchimakami was at Capcom

[01:12:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And they showed a segment where a fan asked them about killer seven would there ever be a sequel whatever

[01:13:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And suit of 51 had a very interesting answer that I did not expect he said

[01:13:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Rather than a sequel I would love to do killer seven complete edition because we had to cut

[01:13:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Two thirds of the plot oh

[01:13:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Two thirds Steve you've played this game, right?

[01:13:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't remember it being

[01:13:27] [SPEAKER_01]: unfinished

[01:13:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Dog and it's like 20 it's like at 15 to 20 hour game and there's

[01:13:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Cutscenes that are so it's a very bizarre game and it's like cutscenes on top of cutscenes

[01:13:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is because it's mostly a story game. It's not an action game. It's kind of a

[01:13:44] [SPEAKER_01]: interactive

[01:13:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Sort of a point and click very very fancy point and click where you shoot some stuff sometimes

[01:13:50] [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of what killer seven is very hard to describe without actually playing it

[01:13:54] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's story man and you get a lot of it. He had two thirds of it that he had to cut

[01:14:02] [SPEAKER_01]: What okay? I'm trying to put this into terms that people who which is everybody people who haven't played killer seven

[01:14:09] [SPEAKER_01]: What other to stand imagine if Kojima came out and said hey

[01:14:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I would love to do metal gear solid four a complete edition because I didn't get to include 70% of the story

[01:14:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Wouldn't you be like what the fuck are you talking about seriously?

[01:14:26] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what we're dealing with here with killer seven. It's gonna be the two discs on ps5

[01:14:34] [SPEAKER_03]: The second two disc game like this

[01:14:39] [SPEAKER_01]: It's seven complete edition

[01:14:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Who was already two game cube discs, you know

[01:14:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Jesus Christ oh

[01:14:46] [SPEAKER_01]: It should be seven discs for kill or seven seven

[01:14:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh come on even you'd have to buy that oh

[01:14:57] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a physical edition for me absolutely I'm buying that

[01:15:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Seven discs that would be ridiculous. Oh if you come in uh, um, you know how the killer seven

[01:15:08] [SPEAKER_01]: It's all headed by Gersian Smith right like the black dude in the in the white suit

[01:15:12] [SPEAKER_01]: He carries that briefcase around because he's curing all their weapons in there and he takes on the personality the seven discs can come in a special package

[01:15:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Where except briefcase

[01:15:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Right come on I would buy would spend

[01:15:26] [SPEAKER_01]: $500 on that no joke. I would buy that for $500

[01:15:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I probably don't have 500 bucks for that, but

[01:15:34] [SPEAKER_03]: By the

[01:15:35] [SPEAKER_03]: very oversized blue ray case

[01:15:40] [SPEAKER_01]: We can't that that's one thing we can't do in the

[01:15:44] [SPEAKER_01]: The DVD era and beyond it's like stack them because you know how that used to happen to the PS1 area come with a dual case

[01:15:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Or a game would be four discs and it'd be this contraption right where you open up both sides of it

[01:15:56] [SPEAKER_03]: You know well, what that's what they did on Wolfens turn for 360

[01:16:00] [SPEAKER_03]: They it shouldn't have been there, but they did and they had to slap it on a bazillion discs and it's

[01:16:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Wolfens died on like Wolfens died in 2009. Yeah

[01:16:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know those multiple discs. I never played it

[01:16:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Neither, but I just remember years later like hey guys remember Wolfens died. It's got too many fucking discs

[01:16:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I had blue dragon and that's three discs some 360 and I don't remember what contraption that came in

[01:16:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know anyway

[01:16:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm here if you if he wants to do killer seven complete edition

[01:16:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Genuinely I do think that we be better than a sequel he's always said he has ideas for a sequel

[01:16:35] [SPEAKER_01]: But I would actually rather him do that watch them just staple on

[01:16:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's just essentially killer seven two like

[01:16:43] [SPEAKER_03]: This could have just been the sequel guy

[01:16:46] [SPEAKER_01]: No, he needs a shove. I want to see how you can expand a story by two thirds. I've got to know

[01:17:09] [SPEAKER_01]: All right Steve we're gonna talk about our favorite thing again more layoffs in the industry

[01:17:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Fuck

[01:17:16] [SPEAKER_01]: As of this recording actually and this isn't this wasn't even in our sheik's it was so late breaking

[01:17:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Did you see bunchy laid off like 17%

[01:17:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Did they yeah, and they just had those layoffs in in uh 23

[01:17:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Out of control it's ridiculous man

[01:17:33] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't I don't even know what to say but

[01:17:36] [SPEAKER_01]: We want to talk about here the humble games layoffs because they laid off all 36 employees of humble games

[01:17:45] [SPEAKER_01]: They insist they're still gonna be publishing games but

[01:17:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Like

[01:17:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean and the games they have produced under that label have been slay the spire

[01:17:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Forger

[01:17:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Wonders on hey Steve. I've heard of some of those quite a bit

[01:18:01] [SPEAKER_03]: The internet loves play the spire the internet won't shut the fuck up about play the spire

[01:18:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And I've heard of forger and Wondersong as well. I've spent way too much time and forger

[01:18:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, see so light and and yes, I love for Wondersong everyone should play Wondersong

[01:18:19] [SPEAKER_01]: So you're a fan here this fucking I mean, I don't we've I'm running out of things to say this fucking sucks. Yes, but like

[01:18:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Jesus Christ man, let's just like

[01:18:30] [SPEAKER_01]: What matters anymore. I'll let you speak first

[01:18:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean we've been more than a few times like we're just looking at triple A's and in these and not much else

[01:18:42] [SPEAKER_03]: For most of you know our gaming choices

[01:18:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I GN acquired the company a however long ago and that was real shitty

[01:18:50] [SPEAKER_03]: But there was the silver lining here where they were providing an avenue for

[01:18:54] [SPEAKER_03]: You know the little guy got to you know a few more of these little indie games to slip on through

[01:19:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And now that's gone too. I mean, they also shitty and you know, we're lousy with a miss here

[01:19:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And then you know when we said they're likely to get shit here

[01:19:09] [SPEAKER_03]: An outlet that was helpful to the right person was not where we wanted this to go

[01:19:19] [SPEAKER_01]: What what matters man? What what's good enough?

[01:19:22] [SPEAKER_01]: What's good enough for these assholes anymore

[01:19:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, it's not good enough to have several known indie games in a space where no matter how big or small you are

[01:19:33] [SPEAKER_01]: How much marketing a marketing you don't have the indie space is pretty volatile either catch on or you don't

[01:19:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Have the audience that you have

[01:19:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I'm gonna do a sports thing. Okay, and I'm sorry, but I think you'll follow me on this one

[01:19:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a but I am apologizing in advance. Okay

[01:19:50] [SPEAKER_01]: When there's people out there who don't believe in a stat have you ever heard?

[01:19:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll just do baseball because I know what the most have you ever heard people say well batting average

[01:19:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Isn't really that good a stat cuz blah blah blah they try to they try to like yeah

[01:20:04] [SPEAKER_01]: They try to talk down stats that we've used for a long time and some do deserve it because they're have been

[01:20:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Sashri used for a long time that aren't very good and don't tell us a whole lot but there are stats like that where it's like okay

[01:20:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, maybe they still mean something

[01:20:19] [SPEAKER_01]: So when anybody tries to talk down a stat that I think means something like

[01:20:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Badging average with runners and scoring position

[01:20:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Right some people think that means nothing. It's just a coincidence some people think that's like sort of a clutch

[01:20:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, this guy hits like a 350 with the basis loader or something and people are like, ah, that's just whatever right?

[01:20:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And I believe in stats like that. So here's what I do to those people. I say okay

[01:20:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Where do I have to put the number?

[01:20:47] [SPEAKER_01]: So you believe in the stat

[01:20:49] [SPEAKER_01]: How many times does someone have to do something before you believe it's ability and not luck?

[01:20:55] [SPEAKER_01]: What do I have to do if you bat it 500 with runners and scoring position is that good enough for you

[01:21:02] [SPEAKER_01]: What if he batted 750

[01:21:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Right and they might be like all that's ridiculous. No, we're about 750

[01:21:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, okay fine. Yeah, that's ridiculous

[01:21:10] [SPEAKER_01]: But what would I have to set that at to get you to believe?

[01:21:15] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I want to do

[01:21:16] [SPEAKER_01]: To these companies

[01:21:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Who shut down indies like this and see no value in it

[01:21:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to know what their number is maybe not literally a number in this case but like

[01:21:27] [SPEAKER_01]: What would these indies had to have done what would humble games had to have done more than they already did

[01:21:34] [SPEAKER_01]: For you to be satisfied with it because Steve I think the answer is nothing

[01:21:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I really think the answer is nothing

[01:21:41] [SPEAKER_01]: If this isn't good enough for them nothing will ever be good enough for them

[01:21:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Look, I'll be the first one to say one or so I'm in forger or fairly niche titles, but

[01:21:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry everyone that plays slave as player will not shut the fuck up about slave as player

[01:21:57] [SPEAKER_03]: It's all the bazillion copies all over the place across all the consoles

[01:22:02] [SPEAKER_03]: If that's not good enough for you nothing is

[01:22:06] [SPEAKER_01]: They they will just never care man. They'll never see the value in games like that

[01:22:11] [SPEAKER_01]: They will never care

[01:22:13] [SPEAKER_01]: The only way to be truly safe in this industry is to be as independent as possible

[01:22:30] [SPEAKER_03]: All right, folks as of recording the 2024 summer Olympics are underway

[01:22:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Now if you're me you might have noticed that there was no Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games

[01:22:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Restrict this year or the more traditional Olympic game that Sega occasionally puts out for this sort of event

[01:22:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And there's a very good reason for that

[01:22:54] [SPEAKER_03]: That's because Sega has been dismissed by the Olympic committee

[01:22:59] [SPEAKER_03]: It favor of NFT forward strategy in partnership with N-Way including a free to play mobile game and an NFT pen collection

[01:23:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Utilizing your wallet

[01:23:11] [SPEAKER_03]: How is this better than system you got this feels

[01:23:18] [SPEAKER_01]: This feels at look I know the NFTs scam sort of rise in felt like a few years ago

[01:23:25] [SPEAKER_01]: This feels so antiquated in a way

[01:23:29] [SPEAKER_01]: This feels like talking about pags in 1997

[01:23:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Fuck it. I'm gonna say it this feels like someone who still says colored person

[01:23:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Like Steve this is I'm come on you know I'm right

[01:23:44] [SPEAKER_01]: No, you are but

[01:23:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for the Jenny Jones a murmur audience murmur woo

[01:23:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm sorry like this is this is so stupid. It's not even it's almost not even we're talking about

[01:23:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you what I can't I'm more obviously in America

[01:24:02] [SPEAKER_03]: But are you wondering around Paris looking at billboards? Hey open your Bitcoin wallet and get them pins

[01:24:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Instead of buying real ones

[01:24:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Is that what you guys are doing?

[01:24:16] [SPEAKER_01]: You know you know the people the

[01:24:21] [SPEAKER_01]: NFT evangelists for like video games are still on the shit you know you've seen them right

[01:24:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you can buy something in one game and then you if you buy a skin and fortnight

[01:24:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Then you can just use it in this or something like that

[01:24:33] [SPEAKER_01]: It could as if that's how anything works. Oh, let me tell Overwatch

[01:24:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I bought this NFT skin and fortnight why can't I put it on tracer?

[01:24:43] [SPEAKER_01]: That's how that's how the world works. Let me tell ya

[01:24:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Are these people stupid they have any idea how video games work?

[01:24:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what they're doing. I don't know how the

[01:24:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Olympic committee signed off. I like where they really that promise that

[01:25:01] [SPEAKER_01]: lucrative of a deal. I mean they probably look a Olympics are planned years and years in advance

[01:25:07] [SPEAKER_01]: They probably made this deal when NFTs were hot and you have to give me that

[01:25:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Because like we know the next two cities right 20 28 is LA 2032. I think is Melbourne

[01:25:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Australia

[01:25:21] [SPEAKER_01]: 20 28 is absolutely LA

[01:25:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I think I knew that already but I don't know about 20 32. Yeah, so like but they they playing these things years and years in advance man

[01:25:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Probably when they we had the delay the 2020 Olympics of 2021 the Tokyo one because of the

[01:25:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, probably around then NFTs were hot right so they probably thought okay next Olympics

[01:25:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I got it and the Olympic committee is full again people who use white and colored drinking found

[01:25:49] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't remember using them growing up so

[01:25:54] [SPEAKER_01]: That's gonna be really weird in that facility

[01:25:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Ancient man. I can smell the dust off of

[01:26:01] [SPEAKER_01]: This story when you were reading it to me just musty and dusty

[01:26:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay Steve before we get out of here we got one last thing a fan demanded it and you need to talk about the new burger king

[01:26:15] [SPEAKER_01]: fiery menu drop that beat

[01:26:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Folks against my better judgment and with the help of a handful of app deals

[01:26:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I have tried the entire BK fiery menu and hopes it would sort of hardened back to the angry water times

[01:26:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Does it do that for me the short answer is no it doesn't to have a longer answer we'd have to start at the beginning

[01:26:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Because I guess it's been about a month or so since we put out our discontinued fast food episode

[01:26:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for listening to that. I mean someone out there did

[01:26:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Because in the following weeks RB's brought back the potato cakes

[01:27:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I make dial just testing out what sort of sounds like a successor to the arch to locks but then

[01:27:08] [SPEAKER_03]: 2 AM one night when the dog needed a tankle. I find a very aggravating tweet from burger king a fiery menu

[01:27:15] [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of fiery things in a chart because everyone loves charts and lists fiery wiper fiery chicken sandwich fiery sprite

[01:27:25] [SPEAKER_03]: In the spirit of the char we're gonna go in the order from least to most spicy has as proclaimed by burger king

[01:27:31] [SPEAKER_03]: And at the bottom would be the fiery sprite

[01:27:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Andre I'm not gonna sugarcoat this for you. This is nasty

[01:27:39] [SPEAKER_03]: We ever make the strawberry sprite in the free style that's everywhere now. No, it's nothing like that at all

[01:27:46] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like drinking a glob of carbonate strawberry syrup that somebody waved a pepper over. It's not spicy

[01:27:53] [SPEAKER_03]: It's on the bottom of the chart so I don't think it's supposed to be either

[01:27:57] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not refreshing at all. It's not I'm going to finish this peach Pepsi here

[01:28:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not gonna like it, but I think if I had to taste the fiery sprite earlier in the episode

[01:28:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I would still be tasting it now. This is a thick soda you yeah

[01:28:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to use it, but it's thick

[01:28:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I need you people to keep that in the back of your head for later

[01:28:19] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just a bad time overall which brings us to the fiery mozzarella fries

[01:28:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Burger king brought back non-firing versions of these a little while ago

[01:28:28] [SPEAKER_03]: They weren't very good because they run them in a low-power microwave instead of frying them

[01:28:33] [SPEAKER_03]: This is the same except now they're red on the outside. You know to denote fireiness

[01:28:40] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think this somehow makes them even drier somehow we got fiery chicken fries

[01:28:46] [SPEAKER_03]: People love these things

[01:28:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm pretty indifferent to them on the whole but does making these fiery make them better

[01:28:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Making them fiery made them different

[01:28:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know about making them better. I mean, they were they were okay. I'm pretty is

[01:29:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Onenthus for them as I was before. I mean, if you love the chicken fries already

[01:29:06] [SPEAKER_03]: You'll probably like the fiery chicken fries. It's their pretty and offensive

[01:29:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And and now we go to the fiery wiper

[01:29:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Man try in this there's a word that I would use to make tell you people how this makes me feel

[01:29:23] [SPEAKER_03]: It makes me feel

[01:29:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Displeased yeah, that's it. It makes me feel I'm very displeased with the fiery wiper

[01:29:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Now what makes this fiery not much supposedly this pepper jack on there could have fooled me and there's a fiery season bacon

[01:29:42] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think that's about the same as their regular bacon then there's the fiery sauce

[01:29:47] [SPEAKER_03]: If you were ready for our this continued fast food show you might recall angry sauce was it was hot sauce and mayo

[01:29:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Simple but effective and it was a good blend to go with the

[01:29:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Pickled jalapenos fiery sauce is just a bizarrely sweet tangy mayo almost like they based it off the sprite

[01:30:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Like that literally it doesn't taste like it, but it's more sweet than spicy

[01:30:10] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not fiery at all

[01:30:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And there and there's no pickle jalapenos on this thing you're dealing with this paste of a condiment

[01:30:18] [SPEAKER_03]: on a so-so wiper that's already missing a good chunk of the other components because

[01:30:23] [SPEAKER_03]: They got rid of pickles they got rid of onions because they really want you to taste the fiery things that that really aren't

[01:30:29] [SPEAKER_03]: They get a little closer to the point with the fiery chicken sandwich and it's so close to being the savior of this menu

[01:30:37] [SPEAKER_03]: It falls a little bit short due to the base material

[01:30:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Burger King was one of the original people to go after Popeyes when they were making the premium chicken sandwiches and

[01:30:46] [SPEAKER_03]: It was good but allow the times the chicken was noticeably shorter than the button causing everything

[01:30:52] [SPEAKER_03]: This sort of slide about the place so when you're using the same jack and bacon and fiery sauce as the wiper

[01:30:59] [SPEAKER_03]: And

[01:31:00] [SPEAKER_03]: The sauce is making everything slide all over the goddamn place. It's a little bit of a damper on the experience

[01:31:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's a little bit sad because there is a fiery glaze on the chicken that

[01:31:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Said it apart from their usual chicken this was actually a complaint I had with premium chicken sandwiches as a whole

[01:31:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Where the only differences between regular and the spicy would just be the sauce here

[01:31:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Actually a sort of spicy chicken so that's like the one plus this whole thing is a gamble you can get in

[01:31:27] [SPEAKER_03]: You know a chicken say I would drop the beaten path here. That's different from the other ones or you could just get a mess

[01:31:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm not inclined to keep gambling for that one

[01:31:34] [SPEAKER_03]: So and that's the end of the chart, but and I'm sure at least one of your like but Steve

[01:31:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I want to try this disaster for myself

[01:31:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm gonna help you save some money because conveniently left off the chart

[01:31:45] [SPEAKER_03]: You can get a fiery crispy wrap

[01:31:47] [SPEAKER_03]: It's right there on the menu and I'd like doing some secret shit like going in and out where

[01:31:52] [SPEAKER_03]: They use the same glaze as the sandwich chicken then it comes with the royal sauce

[01:31:57] [SPEAKER_03]: They usually use on the chicken sandwiches instead of the thick fiery paste so for like

[01:32:02] [SPEAKER_03]: 299 you can go, huh? You know what this was okay instead of doing the bullshit

[01:32:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I did the choices yours kids don't make the mistakes I did

[01:32:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Are you done is it yeah is it safe to come out yet can I

[01:32:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Can I come out of the bunker did you stop breathing flame? I wish I started breathing flame

[01:32:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Why I don't know then it would be a fiery menu

[01:32:40] [SPEAKER_01]: You want literally the burger king to breathe fire on you as you exit the exit the building

[01:32:46] [SPEAKER_03]: The drive through even and I don't know what I wanted I want I wanted something a little bit of them what I got

[01:32:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I hear yeah, I was see I wanted to hear most about the spicy spray. I don't know what it's actually called fiery spray

[01:32:59] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a fiery strawberry spray

[01:33:02] [SPEAKER_03]: You look at the small print and it's like strawberry pure spicy strawberry puree spray

[01:33:10] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's not sp- I don't know man. Okay. I I'm

[01:33:14] [SPEAKER_01]: If anything because you know me, I don't really like we're going to begin with but if I was gonna try anything

[01:33:18] [SPEAKER_01]: It would have been the spicy spray and it doesn't seem like I need to bother. I still might try it just to piss myself off

[01:33:24] [SPEAKER_01]: But you know who knows

[01:33:26] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, we've talked enough food in video games should we get the fuck out of here?

[01:33:31] [SPEAKER_01]: We might as well all right well. Thanks for joining us. Thanks for rating and reviewing us

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