Hacking and Cheating in Video Games

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[00:01:06] I am take it easy, John, and with me, The Crooked Man With The Crooked House. Last night, but it's not Crooked anymore. And the Rare Achievement Hunter himself, Dan Dolph the Wise. Hey y'all. Hey y'all. And today we have a special guest on the show. Please welcome.

[00:01:27] Nasty Nates Old Boss, Our World of War of Blood. Guild raid Leader. And longtime friend Chris, EK Snake Factory. How are you? What's going on? Hey guys, thank you very much for having me. I'm a huge fan. I don't know. It's surreal talking to Nate.

[00:01:48] You know, all people. I'm going to John O. You're saying stories of the damage that happened to Dan. I'm sure you don't remember it. It's just like, like, the head injuries. Like, a lot of your career. No, no, just wrestling moves. Yeah, absolutely. Oh, no, dude.

[00:02:06] I think about, okay, I started the interject here. I have to tell you guys. Now that that's been brought up, I'm going to go off a bit. Yeah, no, no, no, no. Because I thought about this. I think about this a lot.

[00:02:16] I think it was Jonathan who gave me the pedigree. A pedigree on his bed and didn't really tell me to tuck my head up into his crotch. So what is it? Troubled on the bed. My head was pointing down and it, like, crunched my neck.

[00:02:36] And when I think about that, man, I physically like, wins. That's how you have your turkey neck right now. And that's why. Yeah, look at you. It's probably why that. That problem's on. Yeah. Well, that's more of a question. You should have watched more.

[00:02:50] Yeah, that's how I do it. Like the montage and like school of rock when they're watching on TV. Learn how to take a pedigree fuck. Yeah, man. We're having a big picture. That's okay. I got my, I got my revenge sometimes.

[00:03:01] Like I had butted Jonathan in the face. I think I made his nose even bigger than it is. No, let's flatter him. No, that's the reason why it is. I'm going to be in the corner for. Oh, I threw a baseball bat in his face too.

[00:03:16] Yeah, that is. Why did all these stories I live for these stories? I heard you because of these stories. Yeah, yeah. Okay, yo yo yo. I was going back to you being our, uh, Guild leader, raid leader in, and we're all the workcraft. Hmm.

[00:03:35] I was trying to think of the book. The ball pen. I couldn't think of it. I already know what you're thinking. Yeah. They got a lot of guys. Well, nice. Yeah. And like we crushed Cargath man. That was it. We were good. Cargath.

[00:03:50] Like a top three guild there. Man, you know on on on on. Couple server first. Max. Yeah. We hit our gas remind me what that is. Cargath. What was that again? Cargath's the name server. The name was certainly. Wow. I haven't heard that word in ages. Yeah. Years.

[00:04:07] And we've met all those guys. Well, like, because I was on that server at one point. I think because I must have been like, okay. Well, play on that sort of two. Yeah. Yeah. Because I took your account. Did my. My blizzard account is your old blizzard account.

[00:04:23] Do all the sacrifices. Oh, that's mine. It's yours. Yeah. I got to get it. More gathering. For that. You know what? It will be a good idea. I think you should be the mess. Speaking of which, today we are talking about cheating and hacking in video games. Wow.

[00:04:42] We will get there later. It's going to be a doozy. It's going to be a doozy year, boys. But we're going to ask our guest a few questions to start off as we usually do. What is your earliest gaming memory?

[00:04:56] Donkey Kong on the Kaliko Vision when I was four. Wow. Thousands of. Pacific. Yeah. Oh, I remember where I was. I was at my. Like, call my uncle, but it's really my father's cousin. It's like my. Yeah. That's what we do. Second cousin. Yeah. And then he.

[00:05:14] It just married his wife and, you know, you know how it is like when other people have kids, but you don't have kids like all of you guys. Yeah. So, and you're like, oh, here's the gift. I'm going to shit like it's most expensive. Think doesn't matter.

[00:05:28] So he gave me this Kaliko Vision right and I just like worshiped him. Like, you know, like, and I played. And I founded my parents house man. Oh, wow. It's so that's the first place. Mario shows up right. Isn't the Kaliko Vision Donkey Kong? Yeah. He's the hero.

[00:05:44] Is that the same as John Atari one or is that before? No, it's before the Atari. So I had an Atari 262. Yeah. And I had the worst. So that's like a, you know, perhaps not a.

[00:05:54] Early as memory, but the one of my best memories is the ET video. So I don't know if you guys know, but it's like historically the worst. Yeah. Video even history, right? Yeah. It was, it was so bad that they took it and they buried it. Fucking desert.

[00:06:12] Right? And people were to dig dug it up and found a girl heard of her. Yes, I have a copy of this at my, at my parents house. It's, yeah man, look it up. So they, so what happened? And I'll tell the quick story.

[00:06:25] And I'm the binomi's journalist. So so I may get some of the facts wrong. But the general sense of the story was that Steven Spielberg walked in to this place after ET was released. And he's like, I need a game to go with like the merchandising release

[00:06:44] after the movie or whatever. And he had like six weeks to write the game. And did one guy by himself wrote the whole thing. Okay, and you can't pat to the good cave. This guys, this is like 64 kilobytes of memory on a fucking like some

[00:06:59] way for board of metal, whatever. And then you stick it in the thing and it works or fucking doesn't. That's it. Right? There's no like, there's no fixing. You know, the cyber punk launched like, yeah, but forever. That's it. You never get anything else.

[00:07:16] Well, the games and the game is not patches for that. There's no patches. Replacement cartridges, I guess, is the only thing right. Yeah. So the guy did his best, but there was like a number of bugs where people would like fall through the map.

[00:07:27] And they're, and that would be the game. And you would have to finish it. It's just a hot piece of shit and then just it. And it went down as the worst game history in that for that reason. But then he wanted Jurassic Park games.

[00:07:42] Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, which we're probably far more successful. I would think. Yeah, I don't know. I never had to go and down. Yeah, or we played the main place for a dressing book. Because, uh, yeah, Sega.

[00:07:56] Quick side note, but the composer that Billy and Dom had on their show, the French, French, a bungee that you said Pam was watching. Michael Gachino who does like he did like the Batman now. He's done like all the Star Trek movies.

[00:08:06] He did like the music for for Spielbergs like old games. And that's how he got to do Medal of Honor on PlayStation 1 in all those old games. Yeah. And that music was sick. Love that.

[00:08:18] So that's how I think I know that because then he, because he told that story about Spielberg and the old Jurassic Park game that he wanted him to do the music for.

[00:08:25] And he was just working as like a janitor or something, or I don't remember what he was doing. No, no, no, no, this is a fucking good little hunting music. Right? Spielberg. I was writing music. No, it was doing something other than then what then.

[00:08:42] Rob was doing something other than music. I just don't know what it was. Somebody was working as a janitor. Maybe that was the adventure of the game boy. Maybe that's what I did. Oh my god, I'm going to pan. Well, there he is.

[00:08:52] You know what I should do? I wish I had a game right here. That's what I wish. Yeah. Right. Of course more. It's so easy to do. Let's move on to this. What is your three, what are?

[00:09:06] I should say your top three favorite games of all time next question. Okay. So I have a long and complicated history of gaming. It's been, it's been a really important part of it will always be present in my life. It has to be.

[00:09:24] It's just I just run too hot like mentally. I just, you know, I have a $1500 in Slay as far. Like, like, like, I like, I'll hard game right? Yeah, yeah, it's a deck building game and you can get good at it.

[00:09:38] Like, you can get really good at it. But that's not one of my favorite. I would say my top favorite game of all time is civilization. Three. Okay. Three. Yeah. Um, nice. Second. I had to say World of Warcraft because it created like not okay listen.

[00:10:00] The game itself was kind of lame. Like, I don't really love going and just farming trash whatever, but rating was cool. They did it in a way that I thought was, you know, because I played a bit of lineage.

[00:10:11] And I tried some of the other games and, and they just blizzard hit the mark so perfectly with the difficulty. And whether or not if you could get people to shut the sand of the fire, that would be cool. Right?

[00:10:25] Like just don't if it's burning, just get away from it. Like I don't know what you're doing. Well, now they have circles on the ground. Yeah, it's yeah, but I mean, that's that's the thing right? Like with power creep also comes like the downward, downward spine.

[00:10:38] And so World of Warcraft because it allowed me to experience something with team and like a big team. Yeah. And we did 40s before that. And now in saying, you know, like walking in the morning for it and seeing the giants.

[00:10:54] And then just they wipe your group and they're like fucking, you know. Okay, everyone, everyone 40 people broke run back. Yeah. Okay, let's clear all this. And by the time you've, in the worst part was if you had most beat them, but then lost all the trash in response.

[00:11:15] Yep. And you just crunch through all of it. And then I can get to them again and then get through that. So I like that they built those like walls, I guess. And then I guess third is cyberpunk man. I'm so really.

[00:11:28] Yeah, yeah, I've put like 40 hours into it so far. And it's captured me like a game hasn't lost him. Hades, I would have said Hades was number like was in that top three as well. But I think a cyberpunk just edge out because of the.

[00:11:43] But Hades is a top number. I'm sure you guys have to play that play. I played Hades. It's a 20. Man, I want the Hugo man. Like if you like stories, it's worth it. And all the dialogue is unique. Like the nothing ever gets repeated.

[00:12:02] So as you go through it, you, you should read it because that's why it run one for writing. The narrative is really cohesive and right it's touching in the games extremely frustrating.

[00:12:15] I mean, no spoilers, no spoilers, you know, but like getting through the first time out of there is. Well, well, it's not the first time I promise you that. Yeah, so those three, I think with the non honorable mention number four. Nice. Okay, I think we're still a.

[00:12:36] I think we're still waiting on that check from city project. Red for you. No man, they don't need your fucking mind. You guys explained that already. I want to be there, buddy. Twenty two or twenty seven or whatever was that was a great. That was really good.

[00:12:48] No spoiler. You guys did a good job. Oh nice. It made me play the game. Thank you. That's when I started. Nice. So like yes, when you listen to that episode and you went to go play it where you like, okay, I see what they're talking about.

[00:13:02] Well, I knew it was going to be good. Like, I played the Witcher man and put that put it. I put like 500 hours of the Witcher so I know what city project.

[00:13:09] I know what they were going for, but I was not prepared for was the complexity and size of the city. It's unbelievable. I want to drive around. Yeah. And just like, I want to like get to know it. Like, oh yeah, I know where I am. Like why?

[00:13:24] But I do. I want to be like, yeah, I've been Japan town. No problem. I know that guy. No doubt they're doing this. You're there. Yeah, he's my buddy. You know like whatever. Like it's like, I don't know. No, that's one of the characters. Whatever. Yeah.

[00:13:39] I know the in and out. So Jake, Jake Street. Yeah. Yeah. No doubt. The very dark corners. First time I went. I was like, I was walking around the beginning. First time I was playing. And I saw the lips. Oh my god. Yeah. Right. Of course.

[00:13:56] But then I didn't go because I'm like, no. I wanted, you know, I wasn't for players. So I left. And I'm like, but in my mind, I'm thinking it's probably got to be more around. Right. And there isn't. Yeah. There's like two pointing. So that's that's my.

[00:14:11] Oh, I want to show you guys something. That I thought you guys would like on the podcast. It's from the World of Warcraft days. It was show and tell. Okay. Yeah. So this. I knew it is a figure print. I was going to ask about it. There.

[00:14:25] So that is my character in that. In that whole position. That is in my tier one right here. That's really cool. So they did this. The company didn't do very well. But the idea was beautiful. It did, but they had so much to do that.

[00:14:41] They had to do a lot of it. And I wanted one lottery. So they took my money. Thankfully. And they provided this thing, which is like an Exact. So what they did is they connected to the database or they collected the assets from the database.

[00:14:55] But they did it. And they, they looked at the model that they had the 3D model that they used to rent in the game and then they threw it in. I mean, they, they adjusted it wherever, but they did is they got the model frozen

[00:15:05] in one of the animation poses. And then just 3D printed it with the textures in the whole night. That is pretty cool. Pretty cool. It was a hundred bucks back in. Who knows when like 2013? I was well. No problem. Yeah. You know what.

[00:15:21] It's not like I bought it in a one, actually. You got one? Not the same, but I bought him a druid. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I remember that. Is it my partner? Isn't it my carling? Yeah. I think it is. I think so. Oh, nice. The dog.

[00:15:37] But the dog father himself. I had tons of those. You remember I had millions of those? Thank you. All the different classes and stuff. Yeah. I had like all the world of workcraft figures. I had them on a subscription. Was it there? Oh, nice.

[00:15:53] Let's give a background first of all of what Chris does. So why do people? Why should people think that's it? Yeah. But what I think. Yeah, nothing you should. Yeah. Like that's it.

[00:16:05] So why why why did we bring Chris onto this show to talk about this kind of stuff? Because Chris has the background in understanding this kind of stuff. So give us a little background of what you're doing. And well, why do now? Yeah.

[00:16:21] So what I did for a long time was I ran the shop. Right. So play played a lot of computer games a lot. You know. I loved it so much that I made a whole store to sell computers to people because there were no jobs in 2002. Yeah.

[00:16:39] No one had any job 2003. There's nothing for engineers. That's what I have in a engineering grade. And then I ran the store for you know, however long it was 12, some odd years. And I mean, our niche market was gaming.

[00:16:55] We built like we modded cases and we did lighting and whatever. Like before the RGB controllers and addressable. Fuck it all this shit that people who could check out this cool thing. Like I was making like pick controllers and like doing that shit myself.

[00:17:09] You know, we used to paint cases and stuff around those land parties. So I've been playing multiplayer games since like multiplayer became possible. So I'm 44 and we 45 in June. So I was born in 78. And means that when computers really like the internet came, it was like 93, 94.

[00:17:26] So I was 60. And yeah. So I worked for an ISP when I was in university. Okay. I worked for a company called Storm in it. All right. And before that, they were a the internet product called Magi. And these guys ran it.

[00:17:45] And I was like, I can buy dial up account and you get it and you get a shell account. And if you don't want to shell account is like unix. So you get the login and tell that and bam, you can do whatever you want.

[00:17:56] You can ping, you can tell that, you can SSH, you can do all these tools. It's allowed you to connect different things. What I realized was that you could log in more than once. Like they didn't care. Like it didn't check. Oh, that worked.

[00:18:08] I worked for a login. So what did I do? I'm like, oh, I'm 16. I'm paying 15 bucks a month. But that's if I give my password. Like five minutes. Friends are making money. I'm not using money on this. Right. Okay.

[00:18:20] So a year goes by like, let's get a call from Magi. Will you come in please? My future boss is gets mad at me because he's like, why are you logged in for times? I'm like, because it's not allowed for me not to be.

[00:18:33] And he's like, well, he's not allowed. It's like, fraud. I'm like, well, this is saying anywhere. Exactly. I can't do that. So you can implement effects or you can tell me to stop or I. And I'm 16 at this point. Like I can fuck. Right? It's new care.

[00:18:47] And so they cut me off. They're like, no, fuck you. You've never done it before. I'm like, oh, okay. I guess that's the power of a private business. Yeah. You can just tell me to fuck off and it's fine. Right. So.

[00:19:00] But what I realized there is like, not everything works. It's quite as everyone thinks it does or maybe has intended. And that's a really important thing when it comes to the whole hacking conversation. Now, or so where did I go from there?

[00:19:14] Like, yeah, so in university, the computer systems degree. So it's like kind of a hybrid between electrical and computer. A software design. So we, you know, working with like robots and stuff when I was in school. And then I did the store because there were no jobs.

[00:19:30] Then after a little while I sold and I went into just software development. But I work more on the infrastructure side, but network security is really important to that. And I'm not security expert, but I work a lot with security like standards and understand.

[00:19:46] When people talk about surface air like the surface area or the factor of attack. Yeah, the attackers are the attack vector. And people use and there are certain places. I mean, the more surface area that you have exposed to the internet, the more you can be attacked. Right.

[00:20:02] And people talk about all what is the cloud secure? Like it's way more secure than anything else. You know why? Because they spend billions of dollars. Yeah. Right. Microsoft will spend ten billion dollars this year on just security shit.

[00:20:15] Well, it's way more than, I don't know, you right. Mr. Accounting guy like kind of just imagine. On the, uh, yeah, exactly. Right. They're thinking about this shit and you're clearly not. Yeah. So, so you want to leverage that right? And that's kind of what I do.

[00:20:31] Um, now I work more on like the design side like architecture side. But because I game and because I don't know, like, start programming when I was young. I'm not like. Programming isn't, I'm not some sort of kind of savant. I'm competent, but I understand it very well.

[00:20:48] I understand systems very well. And things are, are where I kind of shine. Like seeing the components, how they fit together and subsequently wear the vulnerabilities can be right? I may not know where a specific vulnerability is, but I could understand how something can happen certain way.

[00:21:06] So that's probably why we talk about it. And I don't know them enthusiast. I don't know. We know each other in shit. So there you go. There you go. There we go. That's good as anything. Like why should anyone listen to you guys? No fun.

[00:21:19] No, it's a big, big, big, big, big, big, big people. We bring people in that know a little bit more than us to show us. So there you go. That's a quick intro. All right. Cool. Well, should we head into game time? Sure. Let's do it.

[00:21:45] And we're back. All right. What are y'all playing right now? Chris, what are you playing right now? Uh, well, I'm playing cyberpunk. Okay. And I'm doing as major. I just finishing up the racing quest line. Oh, yeah. I didn't think that. You can't bang that.

[00:22:04] It was really easy. I found that trick. You know, you can't. It's true. Because you're, oh, it's the bartender, right? Yeah. That's when you swoop in. I thought, no, man. I also found the racing for the pretty simple. I do. I was right.

[00:22:20] All they do is go forward and then just smash around the way and just say that. Yeah, I did the driving in that game. So that's probably why I didn't do that. I'd like driving a motorcycle but I like to wear cycles,

[00:22:32] but the cars are really fucking wonky. Yeah. Yeah. I was remember you guys talking about that zone. Except for that car that bat mobile car that I found. The man, the merc mobile. Mark man car. I was driving that the other night.

[00:22:47] And I, it tops out at 211 miles per hour. Whoa. And he's just here. The engine revving at the same tone and you're just like, skinning faces, milk fish. Do you mod it at all Chris? It's awesome. Sorry. Do you mod it at all? The cyberpunk? No.

[00:23:05] I want to play. I want to play the original. Yeah. Experience like the way the game designers intended it to be played. For good or ill. Whatever. No, no. I, man. I've bought the fuck out of like a plate. I'm pleased with the game after that. Yeah, yeah.

[00:23:21] Make it an evil man. I don't care. Like do something. Do that's cool. And like let me just watch the original movie before I fucking remake it. Be like, yeah. I was a good, let's say. Yeah. Next week. Come on. Did you catch the anime?

[00:23:34] Did you happen to catch the. No. I believe this was first. Yeah. So in the narrative, I'd like to complete the story and expose myself to enough of what they expected. Like they may have released it as a supplement. But it wasn't first. It was a first.

[00:23:50] It's happening at the same time. Yeah, chronologically yes, but I meant like created. I don't know. It was supposed to be a companion. It was supposed to be composed to to the release. I mean, I just think that it was supposed to come out with the game.

[00:24:03] But of course things didn't go as planned. Yeah, exactly. So I don't want whatever polluted that delay. You know, right? To infect. And who gives a shit? Why do I have to do both the same time? I'll just play game and when I'm done. Yeah. Oh, watch.

[00:24:17] I want a lot of enemies. And then I'll modify it and then I'll watch the end. And that's the animation. Right. Right. I mean, that's the progression. I don't know. It's the progression. Yeah. It's a real exciting.

[00:24:28] I played the game that watched the anime and I was happy for it. I don't want to put that in the game. How'd you do it? No, no, no. That's on my. That's my. I'm using my. I'm using my backlog. That's on my list yet.

[00:24:40] I watched the spank log. All right. Where were we here? Yeah, what else other people playing? Oh. Okay, nasty. What are you playing? You guys ready? Oh, wait. We know this. We know what's happening here. Guys ready? Any show? No. I would never. I know. I know.

[00:25:01] That's why I said it. I thought it. I bought the PlayStation VR 2. Baby. And it is sick. He's done it. Ladies and gentlemen. It's done. It is. It's a very good cost. I scrounge my piece. I know you want to tell her.

[00:25:19] What's with the bundle like the horizon bundle taxes in came out to 925 Canadian dollars. That's pretty good. That's great. I mean, it's. It's boxes only a couple hundred less than that really. Man, the technology and it is so good. Like the.

[00:25:35] How do you say it's a full vent? Joe Biden. sleepy Joe. You're. The. Great nation of American. We defined by one word. Forveeated rendering. What. What? What? What? What are you talking about? What. Rendering. Oh, okay. That's it. So whenever wherever you focus is the. The high res.

[00:26:01] Yeah. So if you look around, it'll never be. Not high res because where you're focusing is like it's like it's like the L.S. Except for VR. Yeah. Is it up scales with your looking at and doesn't render the rest of it in same quality? John. What the.

[00:26:12] How cool is it? you can increase the performance just by because in your calculating where the most appropriate view field. Now if you start moving your eyes like around, like, okay, it's not being taken. Like just look through the screen. No, I'm tracking. You're not tracking.

[00:26:27] You're not tracking. You're not tracking. And it's where you're looking is where it's the native resolution. Yeah. Pretty cool. So I'm new to the VR space. I've been to the VR Arcade a few times, but that was pretty much it. I owned Grand Tourismo 7. I did the update.

[00:26:46] Oh, yeah. The VR update. I've got Horizon Call of the Mountain. I bought Pavlov VR, which is like, why is it a racing game? Yeah. Like that horizon. No horizon is like the big open world RPG there. Okay. The robots, the robot dinosaurs. Oh, right.

[00:27:03] That's what you were playing. Yeah. Pavlov VR is like a counter strike. Game. You plant the bomb. She liked that. And I got Ragnarok. I've talked about Ragnarok. Oh, yeah. The drumming game. Yeah. The drumming game. My favorite CK. Yes.

[00:27:18] My favorite out of all these four is by far Ragnarok, obviously. Well, yeah. That's drummer. I mean, jamming. That's not fair. You love the drum. You're on without VR. Drumming real life. Now you're on with the drum. That's more. I smashed my electronic kit like five years ago.

[00:27:34] His kit's gone. He has played drums in a. And I was like, I'm not going to go buy another. The dog's $800. Did we put it behind him? Is that it? Is that the car? Is it behind you? Oh, yeah. That's the joke.

[00:27:45] It's like, you heard it like a deer head up there. You're like, oh, that'd be cool. I think I'm just happy with my soup. I'm so fast at all that. Just pat down. Yeah, I just put it down.

[00:27:55] But it's like, I remember once during a live show, you started bleeding your hands. We were just bleeding and they were all over your drum skins. There's just blood ever. You're just like, that's fucking sweet, man. Yeah. It was fucking metal.

[00:28:09] And after that, I punched through all my drum skins. And I ripped my drum support. It's all that adrenaline. Oh, man. I think you're getting drum skins. There's nothing like playing live on stage. There's absolutely nothing like it. Nothing. Yeah. I'll continue. Okay.

[00:28:27] Call the mountain is like a mountain climbing simulator pretty much with robot dinosaurs flying around and I am not a fan of heights. Okay. I'm not a fan of heights. So did you just realize that when you get to the top of the road?

[00:28:40] That when you got the game? No, no. I didn't know it was a mountain climbing simulator. Yeah, either did I. I thought it was just called that. Should be like getting there and I keep climbing and I'm like, oh my God. I keep looking down. Oh, fuck. No.

[00:28:54] Why would I not supposed to look down? That's what they say. Don't look down. Holy shit. It's sweet. But every time I look down, like, I had a panic attack. Like it's VR. You're going to look down. Yeah. Obviously you're going to assume.

[00:29:07] Like, you have to like jump to like certain edges and I missed an edge and I fell. And I just want like this. I was like, close my eyes. And I fall down. Oh my God. But that, that's funny. Call the mountain is beautiful breathtaking in VR.

[00:29:25] It's unreal. Which one were you painting on the wall? That was a horizon called the mountain. Okay. Okay. Where I painted the the the weiner. There's a short that we made and put on your view. You go what. For great. For grand tours, most seven.

[00:29:43] This game makes me completely sick in under like three minutes. And sweet. Unbelievable. Sick. But yeah, like you jump into this game and you get your car and you're whipping around this track. And because you're stationary, right? And everything's whizzing by so fast. It's just like.

[00:30:04] Looking around within like I'm three or four laps in and like, oh my God. No, I can't fucking use it. I take the thing off. It was a big and come on. Sick meter for GT7 9 out of 10. Could you play it on the toilet? Hmm.

[00:30:19] The court was long enough. I guess. Sick meter 9 out of 10 not like sick. It's cool. Sick makes me sick meter. It's not cool. It's cool. It's cool. It's cool. It's cool. It's cool. I was in a driving. A driving meter 2 out of 10 didn't get me sick.

[00:30:38] You know what did get me sick watching our buddy Greg play her. Oh, it was just like sitting on the couch and I was like, this is making me nauseous like watching him because it was like. Shake camera climb around. I was like. I'm just like.

[00:30:52] So you're watching it on the fan. You'll tell a vision. Yeah. Yeah. You say to have a. Okay. Right. Yeah. I was just like, oh, this is making me crazy. Yeah. But that's about it. Hang on. I had a question to think. Regarding your VR.

[00:31:11] So this is something you you sent in our group chat. But how did you come about. Realizing that like VR stabilizers were a thing because that's a really interesting solution that's very unique. I feel like to VR. So most casual gamers would never think of that right?

[00:31:29] Oh, shit. Right. Because the thing you're seeing in your headset is just this shaky ass thing because you're moving and if you just output that, if you capture that and play it on the television, it's going to look like that too, right? Yeah.

[00:31:42] So what happened was I recorded and capturing the PSVR two. natively. I don't know about any kind of third party apps yet, but natively. It only captures out of the one eye. So it's not. So whatever you're looking, how's the capture. Yeah. It's not a stereo vision.

[00:31:58] I was going to capture two right. Yeah. I don't know if it's like, I guess it's two panels. It shouldn't be two panels in there. Is it? Yeah. It's two. Yeah. So it only does the first one that gets the signal. So it would be the right.

[00:32:13] Because there's no way they could put two together. Like it's not audio. You can't hear. You can't see two things at the same time. But Daniel is talking about is once I output it, it's very shaky. Like I'm head banging with the fucking tune and I'm smashing my

[00:32:26] drums, right? And my head's like going with the tune. So like just watching it as I sent the capture to them, they're like, oh my god. It's like all over the place, right? So he's looking up at this guy. You can't see anything while he's drumming.

[00:32:40] So that I passed it through a video stabilizer. Yeah. It took like 15 minutes. Yeah. I can do that. Yeah. Bro, it used to that would take days years ago. Like when he's talking, you know, it's picking one point all these pictures and then cutting

[00:33:02] it all, you're figuring it out and you're like, it's like 50 fucking minutes. I'm like, oh my god. Like if my poof it or something like, oh my god. Oh my god. 15 minutes. That's a river. Alright guys, you can do it yourself with that. That's a good idea.

[00:33:18] Fuck for me, my frame. It with Gimper. Yeah. He's like, Gimper. Yeah, that's right. Oh my god. Okay. But the stabilizer video is pretty decent. They look good and that's kind of why I thought, oh shit, right? That's a thing, I guess. Anyway.

[00:33:34] So what does it cut the resolution do? Because if you're looking up at the sky, I'm sure it like, like, does it interpolate around where there's like, yeah, so I don't think it's a little crop in. Yeah. Cool. That doesn't eat. That's it.

[00:33:49] Alright, Dan, do all for you, play. I am now 30 minutes and now 30 hours into Hogwarts legacy and God. Wow. I'm just still still in love with it. But I'm taking my time with it. Most people with 30 hours probably would have finished the story if they're just kind of

[00:34:09] bombin through it. I thought I was doing a lot of side stuff just exploring. That's what I'm doing too. I don't because I feel like it, because I know that the story is going to end pretty soon. I feel like if I just keep going.

[00:34:22] So I definitely take my time to decide questions up. I'm now in winter in the highlands. And I got to say, it looks great. I have a thing about winter in video games because the lighting's just never great. You know, if it's sunny, sure.

[00:34:38] But a lot of the times, all the white snow can make things just look a little washed out and kind of unimpressive because there's just no character to snow, right? But this game looks great in the winter. So it completely, I guess, broke that mold.

[00:34:57] And I'm just, I have no problem with it in winter. I'm just, I've been enjoying it just as much. I obviously am Mr. Lush Green and all the nice trees and all that stuff. But yeah, that's what I've been playing. Nice. That's it. Fuck.

[00:35:11] Okay. Well, tell us the story about this new rare achievement. No, it wasn't an achievement. So what it was was I was playing follow 76 at 1.00 a few days ago, whatever last week or something.

[00:35:23] And there is a event going like a seasonal thing going on, which is like this German parade. Thrillhouse knows more about it because he's probably sunk 200 hours into the game.

[00:35:35] The past month, they think he said because he's just been trying to catch up to the season pass or whatever all the season events.

[00:35:40] Yeah. So there's this one going on where it's like this parade of robots through certain towns and you have to like escort the parade and like defend it from oncoming super mutants and bugs and whatever comes to attack it.

[00:35:53] And if you do that event, I think you get like random drops and there's festival masks like parade masks that you get as rewards.

[00:36:02] And I got what's called the loon mask, which is apparently extremely rare and there's reddit posts all about this mask people where can I get it how much oh how much can I pay for this thing and it can sell for something like.

[00:36:15] I think throw us some something something like a hundred thousand caps you could probably sell it for just because like people are looking for this mask.

[00:36:22] There's there's articles about it on like gaming websites and I was just like playing half in the bag one night just drinking and I was like, Oh, shit. I have this loon mask in the inventory and throw us is like, what Daniel.

[00:36:35] You're like, you passed the hang on to that treasure that forever. If I was like, I will hang on to because like, I'm just never really getting broke and I feel it or live.

[00:36:46] If I was throw us, I would be like, that's just trashed it. I'll give you like 50 out. Oh, don't worry about that man. I'll probably go off you. I probably would have felt for a couple of cups.

[00:36:58] You know, the same thing happened to Leo. He bought one hidden fates 10 he got for getting. Bees and A's and was a poor card in great six and you open the shiny charge line. First pack ahead and fates it was $10,000 the first one on eBay went for 10k.

[00:37:18] It still goes for like 800 bucks. Like a foil like a hard. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I legit like I have it in it's in Lucite ready to go and he opened it in a single tin first pack. Look here does.

[00:37:33] Yeah, bananas like wow and I knew that you're Pokemon guy. So I knew you'd know what it was like it was the card for that set and I remember I looked them like, oh, check this out.

[00:37:44] The first one went I don't know like two months or three months before for 10,000 on you ended it. It's that it's not it has never been anywhere but the pack and you say he opens the pack and you see him reach for it with his cheeto hands.

[00:37:59] Yeah, I don't think that that's that sucks. Your father judges on this. Oh, she goes fuck that's gross. Cheetos are gross. That's the same actually when I pulled my Matthew's rookie card.

[00:38:13] It was in the first it was in the first pack of the of the hobby box that I opened and I went straight from the pack to a one touch holder like a magnet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's been there since.

[00:38:26] Been there since Jonathan what are you playing nothing. Oh, okay, actually hearts don't battlegrounds play in that but I don't have the 20 dollar perks that Blizzard now gouges you for. So I am at a disadvantage when I play and I'm still winning games. My focus still win games.

[00:38:47] So it's paid a window. Oh, yeah, so you have to like buy the battleground perks for 1899 plus tax which just give you. I don't know if you played hearthstone battle.

[00:39:02] Oh, yes, okay, no no no backgrounds they played like classic okay battlegrounds is like you it's like a tear. You're a draft draft. Yeah, you draft and you both see it seal minions. You buy like you have to like you get a random selection.

[00:39:17] Yeah, you pick one like yeah, worse over time. No, they don't get worse they get better because you can upgrade their tier. Oh, I see and you can get the chance at better minions but at the beginning you choose a hero.

[00:39:32] You draft a hero. If you don't have the perks if you don't spend the 20 dollars, you only have a chant a choice between two heroes but if you buy the perks.

[00:39:41] That's six. You get a choice of between four heroes or four only and the hero is such a huge deal when you're playing like it like some heroes are absolute trash there. You can play two free ones or trash or if what is what is paid.

[00:39:59] You can't just use a good way to get a chance to get one to get sorry you pay for the choice out of more you know what I mean. So when you're presented with heroes, you have access to all the heroes.

[00:40:17] Yeah, but you only get it to but they get four. So they get they get a better they have a better higher selection better chance of getting a better here. So I can kind of see whether coming from the yeah it's a dick.

[00:40:31] Yeah, but there's people pay him 20 bucks. What are you going to worry about? No, well that's not the only thing before that I used to be able to buy that with my in-game gold that I would just grind out during the season.

[00:40:45] But they can't get that nice to go. What do you mean they're going to give them a hard stone gold no he wants all this. He wants the same to a plane. Okay, he doesn't want. Yeah, he wants the beach. Bitches that's what he wants.

[00:41:00] So okay, that you're gold. I'm not giving him any. No, my money. No, my heart's so gold is a good buy. No money for him. Yeah, that's all I've been playing. No way, pex. Wow, yeah obviously that's a give. But I don't. Sorry. Sorry.

[00:41:22] Maybe I don't understand the question. What does it mean? What do you playing? What are you playing or like? Well, hey pex is just a part of me now. It's just. Right, sure.

[00:41:36] It's like Jonathan replying to what would even up to you know I've been blank and breathing. Yeah, yeah, play the next sex exactly. Why would I tell you that I'm breathing? Obviously you've been breathing. Obviously I've been playing eight pecs.

[00:41:50] I'm going to run in back in the destiny too though. I've never played that game. I don't know. It's really good. Yeah, I'm on the fence man. I think I'm leaning. I have it in my cart in my PS5. Because I have the series X now.

[00:42:10] And so I can play whatever. I don't have HDR ever. It's like art. Kind of fits better for me. Yeah, I have two of them actually. I have three other friends too. Oh, my wife wants to serve so free. Yeah, but you know what?

[00:42:28] It does the job and the bedroom is fine. Right? Like yeah. What is it? It's like a very low power and it provides a very mad image. And it really looks like a painting. You can put like a bezel.

[00:42:46] And you put like a bezel on it and it's literally just a frame thing. So we put like pictures. Vacations. Yeah, okay. Oh yeah. Yeah, it's fine. But it's not let's know that.

[00:43:00] So what I'm going to do is I'm going to buy an old ad monitor because I really don't give a shit about like I watch movies that I want to watch in that kind of fidelity at the fucking theater. Yeah, not going to watch it at home.

[00:43:08] Okay, I know it's even better at home. But what I'm going to do is I'm going to get an old ad monitor. And the Alienware one? I don't know something. Oh, figure what? Whatever's best at the time that I decide to buy it. Right? Or second, really?

[00:43:22] I don't really want to. Who wants to pay the best? They had a big sale on the uh Yeah, and they'll have another one too, don't worry. It's going to be a new one. Just came out actually by who the hell was it? It's LG partner with Corsair.

[00:43:34] It's an old ad and you can bend it. You can actually like curve it to whatever like curve. Oh, it's safe. That's cool. Yeah. Okay, it's not the only one. Oh, I think it's not. Yeah, that must be true. Oh, yeah, very, very expensive. Yeah.

[00:43:54] But like the ultra wide monitor from DAL from Alienware is really good apparently that old ad one. It's a Samsung. It's based on the same old ad as my TV, the QD OLED. So it can get brighter and has more colors. Yeah, and it's only, it's like 1500 bucks.

[00:44:10] But it's only a 30, what is it? A 34 ultra wide? I don't know if I want an ultra wide. I just want to, yeah, that's like another thing too. 32 because I, because with my work, I have a lot of monitors for. So, and where's it going to go?

[00:44:26] Yeah, like already have a three arm fucking monitor stand and an extra monitor. No, you still do. Cyberpunk style. You just. I'm sure. Yeah, that's a scorpion gaming tier. Oh, and you're acting like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, jack-on. All right. All right, that's it for game time.

[00:44:52] But I think a couple of us got a bones to pick. Yeah, I'll go first. I guess my bone to pick is with grand trismo 7. So, as you know, I talked about it.

[00:45:16] I did the update for the VR and it took about four days because the game's like 200 gigabytes. And when I finally get into this fucking game, guess what I have to sit through. Oh, yes. The 10 minute fucking intro. That's 10 minute fucking intro. Oh, oh, the unskilled cinema.

[00:45:36] The unskilled cinema. Yeah, I still have a skip button. I don't know what mad, but I was if you turned off your console and just started again. Yeah, it just goes skip. No, it'll go again. Yes, so I tried.

[00:45:50] You think as soon as it started, they'd market is watched. Oh, my fucking god man. It's so dumb. It is so chaotic. It is this fucking stupidest thing. And what happens? I finally get through it. And then by that time, I'm just like,

[00:46:04] I just want to get into a game, right? So I jump into the game. I turn the fucking game off. And I go back into it like the next day and again, I have to sit through the 10 minute video with no skip button.

[00:46:16] Do you know what you have to do? So that video doesn't come back up. You have to remember to go into the settings afterwards and turn off the fucking video. They didn't have this. This sounds like a breaking hat. Like this sounds like a production fired me.

[00:46:32] That's what I mean. They haven't people like a kid. They're just like, you can't do it again. And we're fucking time. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yes. The video though. Yeah, so they need to patch this. Like immediately do that.

[00:46:46] It's been out for two and fucking years. What are they going to patch that? Oh, wait, no, no, that sounds like the video. No. That sounds like you. No, I look at ourselves. How do I get through this video? This problem still exists. That's impossible. No man.

[00:47:01] This is why it's in boot to pick. All right, all right. I'm sorry, but I'm sorry. So I Google it. Like how do I stop this video from playing every time I boot up this game? They're like, oh, you have to remember to go into settings.

[00:47:14] Video, stop intro video or disable intro video. I was like, I'm belief I didn't have to do that. I'm not fucking believe I said through that once and that was it. So I don't know what you're talking about. Oh, he shit.

[00:47:24] So I finally did went into the settings and I disabled the video. And that's your boner to pick. Yeah. Oh, it's getting us very smart. How hard would be put a fucking skip button? No, it's very easy. It's very simple to do. That's not hard to say.

[00:47:44] You're right. All right. All right, Dan, off. What's your boner? Well, my boner, are you picking? My, my, my pale in comparison with the thinnest. But I realize last night when I was playing Hogwarts Legacy, okay, get this.

[00:47:59] You know, in video games when you've got great ragdoll physics and you've got the combination of cliff sides and enemies at them. And you're always tempted to fucking blow them off the cliff. Well, get this. So I'm playing this this quest last night.

[00:48:15] And there was a golden opportunity for this. One of these enemy wizards is standing at the edge of a cliff. And I'm in disillusionment like sneak mode. And I dip pulsed this enemy. So like the magic push right I want right off the cliff.

[00:48:36] I was like, oh, they're going flying off this cliff. But the enemy was like, knock to the edge of the cliff. And in midair, spun around and landed on the ground. Ah, really? Like, which ground? Like, still on the cliff? There's no there's nothing beyond the cliff.

[00:48:57] There's nothing past like, it's just like in Truman show when he hit the fucking thing. It's the wall. Yeah, there's no. There's no. There's no. There's no. There's no. Just a wall. That's what I say.

[00:49:09] I'm very happy with everything physics wise this game has in terms of its combat. But I'm talking to go enemies and other enemies. And you can knock them over and kill them or whatever, right? Like like bowling pins. But this, I was like, the pulse.

[00:49:26] So, and the enemy's just like, and land on the cliff, I was like, that must have been a glitch. That was like so. I'm going to try it again. So I tried it on another character. And they flew off the cliff but didn't ragdoll.

[00:49:39] They like just blew back. They hit the cliff and like stumbled and they're like on the cliff base. And they stood the clamored to their feet. And we're standing on the cliff base slowly sliding down it. And it's a scrim. It's scrim. It's not scrim. It's scrim.

[00:49:57] It's scrim. It's scrim. It's scrim. It's scrim. Oh, boy. I know this band very slowly. Yeah. Oh. But I was kind of upset. I was like damn. Man, like I should be able to fucking, and blow somebody off a cliff and they die.

[00:50:13] Did you try to jump off the cliff yourself? Uh, I've done it before. I'm pretty sure. No that cliff. Oh, that's the same. I do that all the time in Hogwarts. I would jump off huge buildings and a huge areas and then get my broom out.

[00:50:27] Yeah, tell the broom. Yeah, you call the broom and you just, whoa, it's so cool. Oh, I've done that. That's it. Yeah, that's what no, I didn't try that specific cliff myself. The thing is, I don't remember being that high.

[00:50:37] It was just kind of like, on the foothills of a mountain up a trail. And I was like, I should be able to. Anyway, it kind of pissed me off because like, of all the things

[00:50:46] I thought of that, I can't depulse those so much off of a cliff. It just seemed obvious. Yeah. And that's the one thing that stood out to me where I was like, I would definitely change that if I were them. Patch that. That's it.

[00:50:59] There you have it folks. Not only hatches. It's a whole mess. It's like what do you want? I had another 500,000 cubic meters to this five minute to be in a place and so that I could depulse those people. Like, okay. Very nice. So the word depulse. All right.

[00:51:19] Let's depulse so into the next our main topic here. How about that? I like that. We'll do that. Today's topic, folks, is hacking and cheating in video games. Now we asked the Twitter. We asked the Twitter a question.

[00:51:48] We asked, have you ever encountered a hacker in a video game? What do you think game developers can do to prevent cheating? We had a bunch of responses here. We had Joey. Joey, our old roommate says, I remember one time we were doing

[00:52:03] Ultra Act Valley together, which is a PVP in World of Warcraft. And there was someone multi-boxing a shaman and he had the shaman. He had the shaman. He had the shaman. He had the shaman. So I remember she's like, dude, from H. I remember this.

[00:52:19] I remember this vividly and I was like, oh my god, I remember that because this guy had the same name. All his names were just like something one and then it was like two, three, four. And they were all just running together.

[00:52:34] So he had them on follow and he had this guy had multiple PCs or instances of the game. Running on eight different accounts. And he was fucking blasting us with Jane Lightning, one shot everybody, just PVP grinding. Like what the hell is this guy doing?

[00:52:50] It's like a blob. Just collects a series. I'm like a hundred miles. The latinist he even was shaman. I was just like, wow, yeah, I remember that's what I was just like, this is crazy. I never even seen this. That's a little bit of a feeling.

[00:53:05] I'm guilty of multi-boxing for herbalizing. Oh yeah. Rare herbs really? Oh less malicious. You paid for two subscriptions to do that. No, I bought one with my in game. Wow. That's right. From herbalizing with the multi-box. Yeah, it's just a perpetual, it's a perpetual motion.

[00:53:26] You discovered you solved all their problems. Did it? Did it? Did it? There's the golden signal. I think that was the cost of produce. We had a will from Friday night gamecast. He said the best cheating was during the Golden Age of Gears of War

[00:53:46] and he said, well, I think that's the best. I think that's the best. With people lag switching and instantly chain-songing from across the map, special shout out to AIMBOTS and Halo 2 that made me yell so loud. My parents thought I was obsessed. I never played that.

[00:54:03] How did they do games? Yeah, I don't know how that they would play. Chris, which is a lot of any idea how they how they how they they do us the server basically. And then they'll send a bunch of packets.

[00:54:13] And then when everyone else catches up, they're just like, there's somewhere else. Yeah. So they'll send a bunch of garbage data that the server has the process. And then but part of that data is going to be like an updated decision for them or whatever.

[00:54:27] Well, we'll already answer this one. Guess this was Nick from Friday night gamecast as well. He commented under their actual account. Halo and put it multiplayer was a blast for us for about 72 hours. Until the gaming grandlands, great gaming grandlands booted up their aim bots and wall hacks.

[00:54:46] And there's not much. He says there's not much devs can do to stop cheating. You just have to wait it out until the hype dies down and the real fans players remain mostly. But that's that's what we had from the tweeter.

[00:55:00] So we're going to get into today's topic here. Cheating in video games. And we got some questions. We're going to bounce some things off each other. And we're going to get into some technical stuff. It's just going to be cool. This is going to be fun.

[00:55:13] So we got main questions right now. Why do people cheat? Is that the first one we're going to go with? Why do people cheat? Yeah. Motive. I think it's a good play mode. Yeah, so if we're talking about a crime mode of upper opportunity. What is what?

[00:55:29] What is upper end is the. That's how though not why. M.O. Yeah. Yeah. That's the how. I mean, yeah. It's it's a mode of opportunity and I don't know what's the third one. I don't remember but to me. We'll figure it out.

[00:55:47] This I was thinking about this. I was thinking about this. And I think this is probably changed over time. Like back in the day back in the day when when we first kind of experience cheating.

[00:55:59] The reasons they were doing it then are probably different like back in the day. I don't know.

[00:56:06] I think it was a good play mode of opportunity that like when we started playing counter strike like old ass counter strike in their hacking that they're just doing it for fucking around right? Yeah, it was totally a trolling itself. The amusement.

[00:56:16] There was no like they get bored out the game. Good work. It's nothing you can do exactly. It's just like this doesn't matter at all. Which is purely for fucking people. Well, only planning would you only cheat against people you knew or was this in pubs? No.

[00:56:31] We were playing. So there were aim bots and fucking spending guys and whatever. There was no one gives a shit right exactly. Yeah, the joint of the one. Yeah, right. But now it's different with all the like esports and everything. Right.

[00:56:44] So I think but I would say so I think there's the why. Exactly. So if you think about a cheater back then where the wise for the laws and for the for the meme of it, right? But now it's like no, I'm good at this game.

[00:57:00] But I want to borrow or actually I need to be better than I actually am in order to achieve something. So now you're cheating for real. As a police do aiming steroids? Well, maybe it's like gaming sterile. No, because because he still brings your drinks your penis.

[00:57:16] I think I mean maybe maybe maybe. Maybe. No. Definitely. Striction of things. Definitely. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Huge. Well, I mean by the definition that you just provide a curse.

[00:57:33] I just thought of the steroids think is the why athletes use steroids to be better than they actually are. Yeah. It capable of the thing is the thing is even if you take steroids, you still need to do the work exactly.

[00:57:43] So most of the guys still do the work but they need an edge. But the thing is the edge that they get isn't like with with the steroids. It's improved like muscle gain improved recovery and I should just go in. I have no idea. Yeah.

[00:57:57] I know a little bit about that stuff and it's like steroids, you know they're hormones are the way the body communicates what to do. So when you take a steroid it's like now is the time to build muscle right?

[00:58:09] And then when you eat okay when you eat that protein gets synthesized in the muscle. So that was not quite the same but no but it's like hanging your body. But it is because when you're young you can do this but we're not one of us want to.

[00:58:22] Yeah. We're 40 that we want to go and fucking lift as many weights as we can right like different things. You're like, oh, where how am I going to do that? Stossoms aren't quite right.

[00:58:31] So with gamers what might happen is that they might reach a limit and I wonder sometimes about age. I don't know how many kids cheat and try and get away with it because I think I think kids do cheat now because I will have a reason for it.

[00:58:47] Yeah sure. I haven't answered you. Okay. I want to say now days. I think a lot of it is just to try to get on someone's twitch stream and grief them in front of thousands of people. Okay. You know, it gets them off.

[00:59:01] So that's one reason right but that's for the love. That's to be a grief or instructor okay so that's one reason. But what I'm talking about is the streamers that she. Oh yeah there's guys that have been radars and things that have been shown.

[00:59:18] And they end up getting, I don't know, losing their followers and whatever there's a lot of money is staying. I think the point and the kids that are cheating just to grief you, they don't give a shit of a money.

[00:59:30] Well streamers for sure because I mean, they're, you can't see their overlays or whatever. You're not there in person. They're there to entertain you if it looks like they're really good at the game. You know that's better for them. Fucking get more subs get more views.

[00:59:44] Recently there was a, there was a, a war zone streamer named Nadia who there was a big controversy around everyone accusesors of cheating. And girls can't be good at video game. Yeah that's that. There's a lot of misogyny and ho ho ho ho ho ho ho.

[01:00:00] It could be like, couldn't be that but I have seen her clips and I think she's cheating as well. But I mean, there was a lot of then she kind of started playing off with this and like then she just skyrocketed because of this.

[01:00:13] You know what I mean, she was she got eyeball sure. She used it and then she would like use it as clickbait and like she just went she leaned into it as opposed to what yeah. I still think she's cheating. Oh yeah.

[01:00:26] And then she went to like a land when the war zone two came out. She went to the land event. She was horrible and right in person, horrible. Never. You got to go play the game of life and social media too man. Yeah. Sure. That's a stop. Yeah.

[01:00:44] So we stopped clicking on the stuff. Okay. But I wonder if she would be any less successful as she just played it her no mobility. I don't think that her abilities would make her a popular streamer clearly. Why?

[01:00:57] Because she just racks people because she's like preternatually knows where people are going to be. Like that's that's not why. They watch why is I'm. I don't want to get into this. Why she's popular. I don't know. I think we all know that there's a certain it's because.

[01:01:14] Eleanor watching her. Yes, she's I got some kind of talent in gaming then men will flock and watch the fucking channel. Sure. That's so letter to she who gives us shit. Yeah. But that's fine. So that's that's okay. So if it's to enhance it. Amen.

[01:01:30] Because some players it's like it's like an actress that can't sing. Yeah. You're like, you know what? Let's just. Get it get it get it just voice over letter lipstick. You know we'll get a professional actress somebody else. Brace a male send a shink in act.

[01:01:45] She can act and she can do whatever it's fine. It's totally okay. You don't have to be able to sing to to be cast for this role right? Come on. I can act the shit out of this. I just can't sing. Okay. No problem.

[01:01:57] And they do that all the time. 100% right. So that's okay. But then but now we can talk about like the people like the psychological problems people have. You know, and why people cheat thinking that man. And why people spend money on cheat. Right? Because these cheats are free.

[01:02:12] Yeah. They don't get out of the business side. Absolutely. We'll get into it. Daniel, did you have anything? Like well, I had some ring down. We had a bullet point in our notes here. That says dopamine. Dopamine. Okay.

[01:02:26] Chemical released in our brain, which is like the reward thing right. The happiness drug. The happiness chemical in our brain. So I think it was maybe nasty Nate you had written here. Is there dopamine though if you're cheating?

[01:02:42] Do you think and I had written something down here that made me. And this is what prompted me bringing this up. The whole personality traits thing and what kind of personalities are cheaters in video game. So I would say, but maybe it's different than dopamine.

[01:02:56] You know, would it be more adrenaline? You know, that adrenaline fix of cheating and the tapu element of no one knowing that you're cheating. And having kind of the fate of the entire game at your fingertips, right? Like the power and the control that comes with that.

[01:03:13] And what does that imply about the personalities that hack and cheat? You know, are those sociopathic tendencies? Psychopathic tendencies? Does this manifest in their personal lives like affairs? And I was like my mind was just being blown as I was writing on notes. That's like my God.

[01:03:29] Like what is that? You know, what could imply? I honestly don't think that like personally when I have tried aim-bodies, whatever, in a back encounter strike and I was just like this kind of sucks. It's fucking boring. I did try it. Yeah.

[01:03:42] I didn't get any dopamine or any shit like that. I was like, this is boring. But when you're playing a game and you're getting a, you're on a sick kill streak and you're playing with your abilities. It's much more of a reward.

[01:03:56] So I would say that that is the normal experience for most people who is what you're playing with. Which is why not everyone cheats, right? So you have a subset of the community that cheats. Not not most people, right?

[01:04:10] So so the people that are motivated or they moved to cheat, they actually take that action, they need either the validation, whatever. I mean, I need those things, you know, that sometimes they just want to grief. They just want people to suffer.

[01:04:25] You know, but I think that there's a lot of small, yeah. I think most people are just really insecure. It's sad. Yeah. And they want the cheats. Yeah, because there's pathological cheaters that they just have to, they have to do it.

[01:04:37] And so maybe that's what I was getting at. Yeah. Those type of people that there might be just something going on there. That they're definitely something going on with these guys. Yeah. Who would just have to fucking cheat and they have to hack because it's just like,

[01:04:51] like, like, a night sniping aim borders. Yeah. It's just like, and they don't kid the ones that one of the adrenaline in there. Yeah. Yeah. You know, they want to be on Nick Merck's got 50,000 people watching him.

[01:05:04] And they killed him and he, you know, made Nick Merck's, you know, go insane because you got killed by cheater like that is what they're looking to do. Yeah. That's interesting. Yeah. But that's like nowadays two minutes of, Well, they do it. Like Nick Merck is like,

[01:05:22] It's not a little happening. Your morning 69 is hacking. He's got to kill stream 10 hours. They stream for 10 hours straight. They do this all day to them. Do you know how many cheaters those people run into all day? Like the streamers, it's insane. And that's, that's why it is.

[01:05:38] It's, it's so I get out of bed in the morning and I'm saying, I'm going to go grief Nick Merck's on my Saturday. 10 hours today. I'm going to fucking headshot that son of a bitch. They just go look to do it.

[01:05:49] And the thing is when he's been putting a run together for like an hour or two, whatever. And then he just gets greased a couple times. It's like Rex the flow of his presentation. Right? It's like, you know what? It's like a comedian. He gets hack.

[01:06:04] That's what it is. You know, I don't know. Do my thing and he's love me fucking. Because a good shit. You're like, ah, come on man. Someone gets security get him out of here. It's the same thing. Same thing. Same thing, right?

[01:06:17] He's just getting him out of that. Wait, wait, the performers. But what about me when I get hack? Yeah. I don't have a lot of time to game man. Yeah. Exactly. You know, I'm so happy cyberpunk came out. So I don't have to play fucking talk about anymore.

[01:06:28] Fuck, fuck, fuck. Fuck that game. And what it did to me over COVID. I'm serious. It fucks you up man, that game. Because of the cheating is just brutal. And the game is so unforgiving that when you don't when you cheat.

[01:06:41] And I'll talk about like experience about cheating and that. All right, I didn't cheat. But I figured out how to cheat and I looked at it and I'm like, this is weight that I don't I'm programming C++ and forever.

[01:06:53] If you're meeting it, it'll get up a working radar from like some source that I found on. Get up in like five minutes is like hilarious. You know what I'm like, come on. Anyway, and we can. Yeah. That's that. I can get some of that. Let's hear.

[01:07:09] We can get into some of that later. What do we got here? We got why did people cheat? We got nothing. Because they're dicks. Because they're dicks. Because they're sad. They're sad. And because they won't money. Okay. The same reason, the same reason everyone does everything.

[01:07:25] Now and to get chicks. Get chicks. Yes. Yeah, to get money. Same like same. Like power and fame and not writing. Right. I like money. Yeah. That's a down a log for literally everything. So I asked the AI. Oh, Chad. Chad. Chad. I said, why?

[01:07:45] I was like, AI? Why do people cheat or hack in video games? And number one, it says to gain an unfair advantage, cheating and hacking in a video game allows people and players to gain unfair advantages over their opponents. Obviously. Thanks. Number two.

[01:08:03] I think this one's a big one. To satisfy their ego. Everything that human beings go through is to satisfy their fucking ego from when they realize right around. Chad, do you be the same? Think humans do everything to satisfy their own. No, that's fine.

[01:08:23] Because I'd be a little afraid of this. You and this is the star of my humans. They're fucking hell swear. Oh, but finally happened. You say something like this one. This one. Yeah. Some players met a new.

[01:08:40] Some players cheat and hack in video games, the boost that you go and feel superior to others. This can be particularly true in competitive multiplayer games where winning is everything. And players may go to extreme lengths to secure a victory. That's number two. Yeah. Well, think about this.

[01:08:56] Like I was saying, if your if a kid is cheating to get on someone's streamer, whatever, they know that the streamer is way better at the game than them. And maybe they think that's just like they want to put them. They want their ego. Yeah, check.

[01:09:10] Check the ego. Check the ego and they want their ego to be a little bit bigger than theirs. You know? Maybe if you have to do spend a little money to do it, why not? Yeah. We can do the same thing go to McDonald's.

[01:09:22] I mean, just like, it's good at time. Maybe that's why that guy shot John Lennon because it's like the same thing. Right. That's like brought him down a peg. Yeah. He was jealous. Oh, jealous. He said other thing. jealous.

[01:09:37] Well, that's just the first thing that came to my mind. That's the analogy that I thought it right because it's like deep boys. I mean, obviously, it's a deep. Yeah, jealousy. Absolutely. Yeah. Number two. We need to number five. Wait, did I say three? Yeah. No.

[01:09:52] You know the four go after three, right? Jesus. You went to five and you were actually a six. Number four. Jesus. That's a deep. That's our four. Right. The final entertainment, obviously. It's like what we were saying. Number five is to test the games limits.

[01:10:11] Some players cheat and hack and video games to test the limits of the games programming and see what they can accomplish. So curiosity. Curiosity. I think that's the. Yeah. Well, if you guys have ever listened to Darknet Diaries, they have an episode. I love that. So Jack reciders.

[01:10:27] The fucking grand shout out. Jack reciders. Right. Anyway, they had a show about the head of two part series for about a guy named Manfred. You've probably heard this, but he. It was about him hacking video games for like 20 years. He would just hack MMO RPG specifically. Yeah.

[01:10:46] And he would just like play the game for a bunch of hours. Kind of get bored and then start tinkering with the game client. And he ended up doing some hilarious things. I highly recommend it. I think I sent it to you guys, but just look up the.

[01:11:01] The episode for Manfred. Show no. Darknet Diaries. Show no. Why? If you don't know if you guys do that. Sure. I can put it in the link. Yeah. I can put it in the link in the description. But it is really good. Very interesting.

[01:11:15] He does some hilarious things that he just did because he was bored and he was testing. Curiosity. Yeah. The security of the server. Everything was client side. So you know, you could access pretty much everything. That's pretty much everything back then.

[01:11:26] And manipulate everything that's sent to the server. So very still can. Yeah. Still can. Yeah. Just how shitty is the computer is the game you're playing. Yeah. Right. So that's important. The quality of the game. No, the quality of the game. Yeah. Makes a big difference. Okay.

[01:11:45] So next we're going to talk about the business side of the. The cheating and the hacking. Now I watch the video that I highly recommend if anyone is interested in this kind of thing. It was called the anti cheat for multiplayer games by steamworks. Development on YouTube.

[01:11:59] And I actually included some slides here that I'm going to show on this screen. So these images are from the steamworks video. It was like, it's easy anti cheat. You know, easy anti cheat. It's on like all these games. It's it's it's in apex. It's I think they.

[01:12:14] Is that the blue. The blue band with the blue with the band with the bear. Yeah. So as a business. It's an industry. They they they outline tears here. You have free public cheats public commercial cheats paid private cheats and private exclusive cheats.

[01:12:30] Now these are some of these people from the public commercial cheats. They're legitimate businesses. They have their registered companies. They pay taxes like they have professional management. Like their software studios kind of thing just making fucking hacks. And they're looking at the market here. And one person company.

[01:12:51] This was six years ago, by the way, these this data from six years ago. Now a one person company creating hacks is make can make a six 750k a year easy. Yeah. And then if you have a team of hackers, you're looking at 1.5 million a year.

[01:13:07] But they say the global market market. They say the global. Oh my god. Global. Global. Global. Big. Big. Big. Big. Big. Big data. Another drink. So they were estimating that the global market size is more than a hundred million dollars for the cheat market.

[01:13:37] For the cheat market paying for cheats. That's always raising. Yeah. That doesn't even count the knock on effect with multiple sales of the game. Yeah. And yeah, like it's a huge business. It's a huge business. So you have a product. Are you generating demand by creating it?

[01:13:59] Are you fulfilling demand? I mean, so those private exclusive cheats are people that commission. So if you think of like a streamer, if think of a cheat, you can see right or an artist, right? You can be like, okay, the Vinci or Bank of Bank. See, Bank.

[01:14:19] See how much for just for me. Nobody else gets your graffiti or whatever, right? No one else gets that art. Like you're not going to put it on the wall. You're going to put in my house. Mine. Right? Nobody else gets it. You pay certain amount, right?

[01:14:33] And then you have private cheats. It's like, okay, only these guys can come. And then there's like the, what was the fourth one there? There is paid right. There's a public commercial cheats and then the free public cheat.

[01:14:48] So the free public cheat is the only cheat that I have ever tried. Same thing. Okay. Yeah. So what I did is I play a scape in Tarqab and if anybody wants to know what's scape in Tarqab is. It is a shooter. There's extremely realistic.

[01:15:02] To the point where it's like hilarious that all of the models and everything are exactly like real things except they have like stupid names like slickers instead of Snickers and like, you know, like it just dumb changes and things that but the models.

[01:15:18] If you look at like if you zoom in, they're exactly right like eotech sites and like the guns or exactly right and the whole mini game. It's a really great game. It's like the concept of it is really beautiful. Is it a new game? Definitely not.

[01:15:34] No, it has been made up for many years. And anybody that listens anybody that listens to the start of nose, but it's a shit. It's been a shit show like since the beginning because it's a very small team in Russia and they have

[01:15:47] very big ambitions and they have very few people right and and they try and do things and as we know the competitive shooter market is extremely difficult. And this game isn't cheap. Like if you buy the full game, it's like 125 you can eat in the knowledge.

[01:16:05] Or they edge of darkness. But the whole game is about collecting items and selling and then whoever has the most money at the end is basically the right or you can buy gear that and the gear makes a huge difference man.

[01:16:15] If you have like pack armor on like level three armor, level two armor whatever. You're going to get one tap by like a piece of shit bullet, right? Which is legit because if you were out there in the field, they have like a list of

[01:16:26] penetration for the different types of armor. So you have level four armor but this kind of bullet and then it doesn't work and like if you get shot was shot gone from 17 feet away. Well, you know if one pellet goes in your eyeball, you're fucking done it.

[01:16:38] Like it doesn't matter if you have an alternate element on with whatever okay. So knowing that you could be in a raid sitting in a corner waiting for these fucking this form and leave because you're soloing is a scav which is like this non and non

[01:16:52] main character that you have where you can collect like gear and run away and get it and then sell it all or whatever. It's it's cool but if you are trying to like leave and all these guys around, if you can kill everything's done, you lose everything.

[01:17:09] Whatever you had is gone. You don't even know where the guy was. It's really good. It's really good. It is high stakes. It is high stake overwatch too. Okay. But the reason it's high stakes is because of the time commitment. Yes. Like days more valuable than your time.

[01:17:23] So I spent 35 minutes in a raid. Okay. In shoreline or whatever and I'm running. Ah fucking. Cleaned resort. Kill everybody. Okay. And I'm running and all of a sudden they see you guys floating. Floating bro. I've just said 40 minutes. So I've got all this gear.

[01:17:40] Like a 2 million rubles worth of stuff. Okay. The guy floats up to me and I'm shooting at him and I can't. He's like, boo. All right. And I just die. And I'm like fuck man. That was 40 minutes. It could have been, I don't know, talking my wife like,

[01:17:54] what, like what? What is more than my can go away for 40 minutes. But like 20 minutes. You know, like it's like, but all I'm getting is that's why Daisy made me very mad. Yes. Oh. So that was the way that was just the game being a piece of shit.

[01:18:18] Yeah. That was. Yeah. So my experience with that was like, okay. So I was like, oh, I just wanted to do this. So I went online and started googling and I found this guy posted a get up like project. He's like, you have to be radar, right?

[01:18:34] It's like here. Here's the radar. So this guy had like analyzed the packets of the game client and he's like done that. This is encrypted. It's just plain text. So I can just deco like it. You just like basically. Yeah. The network. The client. Oh, the network.

[01:18:51] The network data. So it was very simple to understand what data because it tells you everything. What is the position of this, this item? What where is this person? What is their velocity? All that stuff.

[01:19:03] So what you can do is you can take that and you can port mirror, which means that any data that comes in one part. Goes out another port two same time, right? So everything happens twice. So you can take all that data and stick it on another computer.

[01:19:17] Now the game client has no idea, right? Because it's getting all of the input and output through your port. And it's it's rendering on a different computer. So what I did is I set up another computer over here. And I'm like, I wonder how this works.

[01:19:33] So I didn't want to get banned because it's been 130 bucks. Why does this game twice fuck that? What was that? What was that? You know that's like some real hacker. That's the day. We'll talk about that after. Yeah.

[01:19:44] So I set up a computer and I booted it up. The whole fucking map came up. Like no wire for him actually just. People their direction and they would move around and all of the loop. Wow. Oh wow. Okay. So they released a release a security update. Right?

[01:20:03] And the guy wasn't working on the project anymore. So I started digging around. And I'm like, oh. Well, they didn't really do anything. They just changed the format of the packets. It's it was bullshit, right? Yeah. So a brokerator for like five minutes.

[01:20:17] So what that means is that when people when companies say, oh, we've released a security update, like what did they actually address is all of your network traffic now encrypted? Right. That's a different thing. Right.

[01:20:29] And saying, well, we're because that's easily you can easily see if the network of Crap traffic is encrypted. So how would they could just say, like, so yeah, yeah, we did it. And then not know. They didn't say they didn't say that.

[01:20:40] They said they improved security, which means that they moved the put. They moved the data around in the datagram. Really cool. It's like a shell game, but you know where the fucking thing is. You're like, yeah, it's there dummy. You can be the money.

[01:20:52] Like, we're good at this. Like actually have to make a decision, right? They're just like, oh, I do see it now. Yes, right there. You need more practice, bro. Like so I was able to look at them and be like, oh, they didn't listen. Here.

[01:21:07] And they fixed it in the work. So I'm like, oh, this is dumb. Like, if I was a free hack on get it. Get up. Yeah, just some guy that wrote it up and say, and this is like, like doing in like, Open 3D, you know, yeah,

[01:21:20] Curiosity for snake factory. Yeah. There we go. But he didn't use the, he didn't use to gain once. I used it. No, only to see if it function. You didn't use it for games properly.

[01:21:33] So I went and look, okay, let's see how good I can be as a cheater. You're going to use your ego. I'm not great at the game, but I saw guys coming. Oh, man, if the, if the radar is not overlaid, you're too slow. Yeah.

[01:21:48] You know they're coming because they might stop. And then all of a sudden you look over. Oh, it's happening. Right, you look over and then they come around and they show you the head. You're like, wait a second. I do look there. Yes. Yeah.

[01:21:59] And so it's just, it's not a overlay aim bought. No, wall hack. No, all it was was that you would be. You could have with everything. Yeah, okay, okay. Right, but this game doesn't have a radar. It doesn't have anything. That's funny because it's like, wait a minute.

[01:22:13] I'm the one who's cheating and I died. Yeah. So for me, I don't really know how to get so mad at video games. Because even when I'm playing apex, I know there's a guy there. I can hear him. I saw like something that indicated that he's there.

[01:22:26] Yeah, because you know he's there. And then I fucking die and I'm like, I do he was fucking there. Well, yeah, but so get better. I don't know what to tell you. Okay, so these are free cheats. Let's talk about high end hacks. Talk about some prices here.

[01:22:39] What what would a high end version of Tarkov hacks be for instance? So man, I've seen I've seen some demos on telegram. Like, of like overlays and I've never really, but I've seen them. They're like $300 a month. And they're like beautiful. Like the guys are fucking highlighted.

[01:22:59] Like you know, like in war zone when you're out, like when you can see your own people around you or in like, see your whatever. Like all those shooters like spectating. Yeah, well, but you can see like the different teams in their car.

[01:23:12] Like, but you can see their outlines because you don't have for everybody. You can see their distances and fucking all of that stuff. They're health. The whole nine right? Because what they're just collecting all the data, which means that they've they've busted the encryption, right?

[01:23:25] So all of these clients have a encryption keys within them. Wow. And the reality is that there's no way to stop it when if the data is readable by the client, then the person that is running the computer will eventually be able to read it.

[01:23:43] It's just a matter of time, right? So when they find the vulnerability that finds them the encryption key and they can extract from the client, they can just look at everything whatever they want, right?

[01:23:53] It's just a matter of like how many shells can you put on top of it? And then as they disassemble it and then can you detect if they don't. So now do you think that would be all or some month?

[01:24:03] Yeah, do you think that's more of a private cheat community or a exclusive? We have a private exclusive. Listen, there aren't like thousands of people buying these 300-dollar sheets, right? No. So I mean, most of the studios are out of Vietnam in Russia.

[01:24:20] So I can paint the ton of money, right? They're not making that, but they're charging lots and it's all in crypto. Yeah, right, okay. So what is that imply? It implies either traditional organized crime or an evolution of traditional organized crime or brand new type of organized crime.

[01:24:41] Like you think cyberpunk, the type of organized crime that's there, right? The net runners and shit like that. Yeah, you know, like why not? Like okay, used to be fucking Luigi and fucking Mario down at hitting you with a baseball bat.

[01:24:55] Now it's people that just like, ruined your life. Yeah, I know you're all right. Why is that? I just literally got fucking rude. I am tired of people of covering our culture. We said they're very potter-fan, that's Italian. Like relax there. But Jake and Raleigh look holy crap.

[01:25:13] We're not gonna get into that, guys. All right, so I was gonna ask you a couple of technical questions. Yeah, we already kind of went through how there's encryption problems they get all the data. You told us your escape from Tarkup experience. Now what about anti-cheat softwares?

[01:25:29] How do these work in? Are these finding like known? I know there's a couple ways they work after watching that video from Steamworks today. It was really informative actually. Outline a couple of ways, so it's like there's signature scanning for known hacks.

[01:25:45] Yeah, it's just things that are in memory that people know. These bites in memory mean this thing is there. That's a fingerprint, right? Like at the very base of that's only if those hacks are known. Like they know, but where it's in the wild. Yeah, exactly.

[01:26:00] So that's kind of like they have to be known though. So if it's a brand new or an exclusive hack, zero day. That's what that's called. Yeah, they're not going to know it's there. So and it's going to get it's going to get through.

[01:26:11] I remember there was this one guy in apex. Like over the last two years I've been watching a lot of the streamers, the YouTubers go out like in a lot of the streams. There's always this one guy that the guys couldn't ban. Like he could never ban them.

[01:26:24] They were like, oh yeah, it's that guy. I forget what a fuck his name was. But like it's him again. And like he would be there every day on someone else's stream. You know what I mean? Like hacking it in the pred lobbies. Pred or lobbies.

[01:26:36] But and then like they're like, yeah, he's got some hacks that they can't fucking. They can't see so they can't they can't ban them. So he's so this guy I'm guessing is one of those guys who must have like paid for an exclusive job.

[01:26:48] And he got some sweet hacks. Yeah, one guy to just build it for him. And he's like, okay, whatever you want. You're not sure exactly. Now that I'm thinking about all this and like that's probably exactly what that guy did. He's on everybody's stream every day.

[01:27:02] Nobody knows about this vulnerability. Yeah, yeah. So like once a person finds it's like finding like a key to evolve. Yeah, whatever share that shit. Well, well, some people do, right? So there's bug hunters. No, this is really important.

[01:27:16] There are white hats that do this that will go and just look for stuff. And there are things called bug boundaries. And there were a lot of money man. People can make like a million dollars. Do we really?

[01:27:28] Yeah, because you you go and you look for these vulnerabilities and then you tell them. Now, there's a responsibility that they have to post it because the rule is in these bug boundaries like hacker one and all these bug bounty websites and markets essentially.

[01:27:43] They say this bug we hold in escrow essentially. You are allowed to fix it but it gets published in 30 days. So that means that everybody knows right. Let me do have to patch it for all of your shit's fucked. Right? Like it's it's impossible to avoid.

[01:28:00] So it's important to understand that there are people working on the side of good to looking for vulnerabilities and then telling companies about them. Not that all companies listen. Yeah, some companies just don't. They're like, that's right.

[01:28:12] Yeah, there's going back to the way how anti cheats offers work. How else would what an anti cheats offer work of its like scanning a known signature?

[01:28:20] It would look for things that are trying to read memory things that don't belong to the app or access the game process. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And that's well accessing the game process like while it's running it's running in memory. So that's what I mean.

[01:28:36] So like when an application runs it gets loaded into memory and then it just sits in memory moves around and gets processed and stuff. Nothing happens on the hard drive so the file itself if it gets modified it doesn't matter if it's loaded in memory. Right.

[01:28:50] Now what you look for is processes that are addressing memory to different place that is not related to their data. It's not related to their address space. Why are you doing this?

[01:29:00] Why are you looking at some memory process whatever you want to look at this memory, you know, so there's ways to like, like, escape that and yeah, well, I mean, you're just looking to see people, people are doing what they should be right and if you know,

[01:29:14] if you know that this executable with a shot is good, like it's a Microsoft process is looking in memory and then it's fine. Right. But if it's this fucking EFT hack dot EXE, okay, why are you looking at EFT memory? Like, oh, I guess I know why.

[01:29:29] Right. So anti geese software can handle anything that's on happening on the computer. Now what happens if it's happening off the computer somewhere else? If you're capturing network and you're using that to inject false data and then pull it out. There's no process happening on yours.

[01:29:50] So network security is extremely important because you can intercept the packet, modify it and then send it with no process being detected by an inch sheet on the client computer. If the traffic is on encrypted well, or if you have the encryption key right in the client. Right.

[01:30:07] Right. That's what I'm saying. You can pull the key and then you can fuck with the name, never data. And now all of a sudden I can start spinning and I can start fucking here. I go this fast. Then I have this mini bowl, whatever.

[01:30:18] All this shit depending on how invulnerable the net code is. Right. So like sometimes the data won't make sense. Like no, you can't go that fast. The whole game doesn't understand that kind of velocity. Right. So you can't move that quickly.

[01:30:31] So you look for the number that's okay. And then you move that much faster. Right. Sometimes they depend on like, well, I have this much strength. So I run this fast. But they don't check for an upper limit.

[01:30:43] Like you can't run faster than this unless you have a strength. I don't know. They just only calculate your your speed based on runs behind strength. And then send it. But what if I'm like plus 40? And then they're like, okay.

[01:31:00] So the server doesn't like why does the server accept that. That's fucking stupid. Yes. Right. So that's what I mean. They can ask the integrity. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. If you're in integrity is compromised at that point. Well, I mean, that's a high security try add folks.

[01:31:19] Competentiality, integrity and availability. CIA. That's what it's all about. Fucking ominous shit. I would give myself as many bullets as possible. Really? I think myself as fast as possible. What would you guys do? What would you do? That's an interesting question. Speed hacking is cool. Speed. Yeah. 25% increase.

[01:31:44] That's all. I love. Just 25% okay. Yeah, never get caught. You mean I are out? You talk about I are around. How is that we do to ourselves? The end it would just want a bunch of bullets. He has no gun. He's just like, no gun.

[01:31:57] It's just like a pile of bullets. Let me throw these. All right. Well, that's cool. We got into that a little bit. That is very interesting. Now let's talk about. Can it be stopped? Can we stop the hackers? The cheaters from for cheating and hackers from hacking.

[01:32:16] This is a different people folks. Cheaters and hackers are different. Hackers create the cheats. So I was thinking about this, and I mean like, I don't think it can ever really be stopped. There's always going to be something. There's going to be something somewhere.

[01:32:30] Someone's going to find now. We might have one thing that can stop. That can stop that. We'll talk about it later. But I'm going to talk about deterrence. We can talk about deterrence. Like the price of the game, as I mentioned earlier. That's a deterrent in itself.

[01:32:47] Free games are much more vulnerable to cheaters. Yeah. If you're paying $130 for the game, you're likely not going to try to cheat and get your ass banned and have to buy $130 game again. Like Chris here. Unlikely that you're going to do that. But a free game. Fuck.

[01:33:08] Why do you think there were so many cheaters and wars on? And all these battle royale right now. The only one that's really stopping you is the time it takes to create a new account. Right? It's a new Gmail account. So you can say,

[01:33:21] I think it was recently Blizzard. Was it not Blizzard who asked for phone numbers for Overwatch 2? Yes. So they would be more annoying for people to create. Yeah. You buy an SMS phone number for like, and that's another step. That's another step. It's still a little step. Yeah.

[01:33:37] But they're the economy, right? So the economy of cheating expands there. Okay. No, buy $1 for some of them. Yeah. Yeah. But no. They reversed it because people are complaining. I don't have a phone number. I'm 12 years old. I don't have a plan. Overwatch. Like fuck off kid.

[01:33:54] Jesus relax. What are you all these days? John, the paid's Overwatch for some? No. I hate cheaters. But if you don't say why do you care? I'm just using it. I've been saying for them to add phone number for the last two years. I've been playing Warzone since 2019.

[01:34:11] Sure. Sure. Like a full number in there. You know, maybe people won't have because they have to fucking go get a SIM card for it. Yeah. So that's maybe like five out of ten people. Yeah. That's true. That's a deterrent. That's what it is.

[01:34:26] Maybe you're in a control. But maybe do you feel like they were. Do you think that it eliminates enough of the cheaters in order to justify the loss of the normal players? Because I mean, if you're going to implement some kind of policy,

[01:34:41] you're going to lose your piece of reward. Yeah. So like how many of the cheaters you get rid of? Is it a high percentage? Because then you know what? Whatever. The people that do stay will have a better experience.

[01:34:53] So I mean, those businesses have to be charged 20 bucks for the game. What? What? Making it a free battle royale. Yeah, but 20 bucks. I would pay. But you heard that people pay 300. So like resetting a $20 account is not being real. I don't think 20's high.

[01:35:13] I personally don't think 20's high enough. So almost make it less than better than free. I think it has to be like a premium game. Like a triple A title 79. Okay, how about this? How about this? No, I got a new one. And then they have less numbers.

[01:35:26] Force tutorials and tiered gameplay. What do you think about this? Yeah, I like hate force tutorials. Like one's. No. Well, It's like three hours in. You're like, okay, like 25 minutes. What do you mean? Let's talk about Fortnite. Fortnite. You have to play against bots for the first 10 levels.

[01:35:48] Who's going to fucking waste their time cheating against a bunch of bots? Exactly 10 levels. I love it. Like no one. That's why I don't think Fortnite has a huge cheating problem, but war zone. You're right in with everybody as soon as you start the fucking account.

[01:36:05] And you can start cheating again. Boom. Isn't there like massive smurf problems though when you have tiered shit? Yeah. Doesn't it just kick people's nuts in and they just don't want to play? Like I've never had to make a pay-packs fuck that. No, no.

[01:36:19] I have so many other ideas. I would recommend it. Like, okay, but they started a new, they introduced a tutorial for new counts. What the hell is smurf? For those who don't know what the fuck we're talking about here. People listening, people watching, what is smurfing? Okay.

[01:36:37] Smurf would be if I have a little bit of a 2500 hours in apex Legends, would create a new account and play against people who never played before. Yeah, so your MMR is zero. And you're like, hey, I'm blind one. I'm blind one. I'm blind. I'm blind. I'm blind.

[01:36:54] I'm blind. I'm blind. Okay. Okay. You're all I'll take everything from. Yeah, that's smart. So there's a big smurf problem in Apex, but they just recently introduced, I mentioned this a lot of time. So that's a different type of cheating in it. It is absolutely.

[01:37:10] But they introduced in skillful lobbies, like beginner lobbies, where there's bots and there's real players who are beginners. So like who's going to go smurf in for 10 lobes? Robies. Bro, sure. That would be so dumb. Yeah, dickheads. Completely. There's apps for dickheads.

[01:37:30] For four teams that are real people and the rest 16 teams are bots. Why would you do that? Yeah, it's you know what? I think that's a really good bet size. Like the poker game that is like the cheaters, the cheaters are looking at it and they're like,

[01:37:43] how juicy is this? It's only four teams. Yeah. Is that worth it? Right. That's a lot of the problem is that you can get out of those lobbies. You can get out of those lobbies in one game if you win. That's the problem. So I don't know.

[01:37:58] No, no, no, no. That's the more not yet. Exail, but for us real beginners are five with that. Yeah, I know. I don't know what they're doing. So why would you just make it like 10 levels? That's the important idea. I would be level 10. Yeah. Then into proper.

[01:38:12] But no, I think that they should have at least two other real players in that lobby. So you're like three and the rest is. Oh, I don't think there is. There's probably around ten. Yeah. So it's not just bot lane.

[01:38:23] No, it's like, it's just a handful of humans. Okay, you guys perfect. You'll face at the end of the match, right? Yeah. Well, pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. But I went into one of these lobbies with with my buddy Greg and Al who just started playing

[01:38:40] Apex or Steve just started playing Apex and like, okay, we'll go in and we'll try this new orientation match. It's called orientation only new players can queue for it. Okay. So only new accounts have a good to queue. I couldn't queue for it. Steve had to do it.

[01:38:56] So I'm like, okay, we'll see what it's all about. So I'm kind of. Sorry, I was spectating them. I wasn't with them. I wasn't even with them. I was spectating Al and I was kind of telling them what to do and and. Macer, how to play.

[01:39:07] She didn't hear. No, I'm cheater. Yeah, skill hacker. You're just improving their skill. That's not allowed. But they were out. They were out of the orientation games in two or three games man. That's all it took. Like, what is it? It's not long enough, dude. Yeah.

[01:39:22] I agree because but people that like work hard at the game, you know, they'll they'll get out quick and then they're going to experience. They'll be like, hey, well, you're a general. It's like Jen pop and Jayle on like, Judy.

[01:39:33] He's just a little bit juby and then eventually you get into fucking general population. You just get a good fuck by everybody cheaters and not cheaters. Like really good players. Yeah.

[01:39:43] Let's see other things that we should we should really acknowledge is that there are really good players out there. The don't need to cheat and their amazing. And those guys should really be like, like in this game from time to time.

[01:39:54] There's some controller players who are cheating anyway by using a message. Well, whatever. Listen to get into that. That's no it's not cheating because the game provides it. It's within the client. Oh, my God. What a fucking he unplugged my head.

[01:40:10] This is like should I should I bring Farley? He up unplugged. Should I bring Farley? Should I get him? Sure. Yeah. All right. Okay. We're going to go get Farley. I'll be right back. Don't time. He's man. I was playing PSVR 2 before I came on here.

[01:40:27] And he was hungry and he pod at me in my face. It almost knocked my head set off. He's scared. There he is. Yeah. Oh, oh. I was like, get out of here. Get me out of here. All right. It's over. Yeah. We were talking about orientation.

[01:40:47] Orientation lobbies. Yeah. I think he heard. So that's one way of preventing. Like you say is the turn. Yeah. Yeah. And the other way is to actually experience it. Like in pubs and apex, there's not a lot of cheaters like I rarely ever see cheaters in pub games.

[01:41:04] But if you move over to rank and once I get up to like once I get up to diamond when when we get up to the later the later ranks when that's when you start seeing the cheaters It's because I think again it goes back to my point.

[01:41:19] They want to be in the pred lobbies on the streamers channels. Okay. That's how it is. But in pubs like I never see cheaters in apex pubs. Warzone on the other hand always. It's why I stopped playing. There's no force tutorials. There's no tiered gameplay, no ranked.

[01:41:36] They just fucking cheat. I saw a guy flying around and a cheap in the air. I'm like, what? I love it. I love those cheaters and love. Because they just exposed whatever whatever the cheat was. Yeah. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true.

[01:41:54] But like yeah. So that's hilarious. Okay guys, I can found a flying car. Okay. Can you fix this code please? Like, wrote this. Yeah. We're going to need roads. It's dark brown over here. Yeah. So yeah. That's those are some good points I think we brought out.

[01:42:14] But we can talk about this one next. Next. How about this? Cloud Gaming. We're going to talk about Cloud Gaming. We did an episode. Did we? We did an episode of Cloud Gaming. I think so. Yeah, you did. You did. You did. Oh yeah.

[01:42:28] It was the one with the map came on the map came on. When we had D John. Yeah, D John. Right. So in a perfect world, of course, cloud gaming it could prevent almost all of this correct.

[01:42:39] So if we have nothing client side, yes, everything the only thing you can hack is what input. Oh input. All you're giving it is whatever the controller says. Yeah, that's it. Everything else is video. So literally can you hack your so whatever the person has in their hands.

[01:42:58] Right. Yeah. That's it. So if the connection point is the network. So you could still use a fucking strike pack. Whatever. You know, you can always do that. That's fine. So you want to change your controller. Go ahead. You know, whatever. But if it's all video content is.

[01:43:15] Like remote best happens. So fucking Xbox is actually and then play on the Xbox, if you can get the control just fast enough, it's a solved problem unless you hack the data center. Right. Right. Right. Because I'm getting it.

[01:43:29] You have to have a back door onto the one virtual machine. Yes, real. Yeah. That's right. That's right. You need to compromise the whole network. It's with solve the problem completely. Yeah. Yeah. Because all you're getting is video like you're all over. We're for consoles or now thumb.

[01:43:44] Yeah. Right. Then climb six. Then climb five. Yes. The sky. I know this guy. Is that what Microsoft has headed with all this game pass online? Yes. Cloud gaming. That's what it's drove. And then they were going to come out with a box like a stream box. Sure.

[01:44:02] Or is that? Yep. But it's not there yet because. No, but can't do. Okay. Listen. The fucking. You know, the roles and the late scene boxes. You see the scene box. Yeah. Steam. Steam. I'm talking about the box. Yeah.

[01:44:17] I'm talking about the box that sits at your computer at your TV. The access client to your computer. Yeah, right. Okay. Works great. Perfect. No problem. My computer happens to be the computer that's doing the cloud gaming right now.

[01:44:32] Find me an internet connection as fast as as display port fucking whatever HDMI. Yeah. And once my 40 gig. It's also a few minutes back. But once my 40 gig connection. Once by 40 gig connection is as fast as the HDMI cable between my computer and the client

[01:44:52] on the other end gives you shit where the process is happening. Yeah. I don't care. But like, yeah, but that's what it will take. Yeah. It's going to be okay. So how fast was the internet at the beginning of this fucking thing in 1994 when

[01:45:05] I was going to do a 2,400-bought. And I have a 1.5 gigabit connection on my house that is currently streaming. Probably like what do we need 40 gigabits in the future? Yeah, because that's what HDMI is right. Yeah. We're not that 48 gigabit. 1.5. I only said 40.

[01:45:25] We were at 2400 kiln and we are at 1.5 billion now. I only want 40 billion. I only want 40 billion. 60 quadrillion, which is the same jump. I don't want that much. So it won't take 30 years. It's only going to take like no. I won't take 30 more. No problem.

[01:45:45] Thank you, internet in your house in 10 years. Guaranteed all over the place. 10 years. But it doesn't matter because like 1.5 gig internet. How fast does it need to be to just press a button here and it react over there? It's okay. The speed of the cloud.

[01:46:04] It's not the speed of the cloud. It's not the bandwidth of 1.5 gigabits. No, no, it's the speed of the cloud. The reason for the speed of the cloud is an issue is that it's bitrate. I mean, you guys know this. You guys talk about bitrate.

[01:46:19] Talk about these topics. Okay. Well, what do you think the bitrate is? It's traveling over some medium and it can be a network cable. It can be over a TCP. You just have to make it fast enough. Yeah. I'll leave it right now. Yeah.

[01:46:35] I'm connected to an online game. I get anywhere between a 35 millisecond to 65. Okay. On good servers. That's just the latency between my computer and the server. Then you have input latency, which is my latency from my keyboard to the game client. Then to the server.

[01:47:00] There is a few latencies think about here. What do you think would be a reasonable click to server latency? Well, first I think you need to look at it. That'd be viable for competitive gaming.

[01:47:14] First I need to first you need to look at what the actual latency is from your control. Like the PS5 controller to the PS5 is in your living room. It's negligible. That's not negligible. It's like 15, 20. Sometimes 25 millisecond over the Bluetooth. So oh, he's so close. Yeah.

[01:47:33] So what I would say to that is that you have you will always have an issue with the connection. And if all you're talking about is keystrokes, which is what control I can actually say. It's just keystrokes. I mean there's nothing faster than just transmitting that data.

[01:47:50] And then the game client receives it in whatever time period that takes. That is true. It's a minus key will data. Yeah. If you're in the game client and the game client is processing your input, that's true.

[01:48:02] But you still have to get the data about what the other guy did. So I mean if the game client is close, like if you think about it as the game client's being like this now. Because they're literally in the same data center. Right?

[01:48:16] And all you have is a really long wire. Everyone's house with a fucking controller like this. Then that would be as fast as light. So then you add in a bunch of like overheads, which is like these protocols, right? Whatever services and connections are required.

[01:48:33] Yeah encryption whatever it takes. And then whatever that latency is, but I mean it includes existing the game client anyway because I don't know what the guy did. You have to process all that and send it to me.

[01:48:43] Well, you can process the fucking controller thing and send it to the computer there and it will process it pretty fast too. And then in between the game, it's like almost perfect. Yeah, right? Because it's zero milliseconds between the game client.

[01:48:55] But it's not the problem with cloud gaming. The cloud gaming is the problem of me getting fucking 4k 60 frames a second video from the data center to my full screen. 10 years. Yeah.

[01:49:09] Okay, we hear to hear for first folks 10 years before cloud gaming can be used in a competitive 10 year scenario. I'm comfortable there you go. That's definitely. Yeah, it's all this pushes for for sure because you can't first of all in a mole hacking animal hack.

[01:49:25] We go back to say okay, how do they hack they scan the memory nothing we're not inside of something anything inside or only. Oh, a guy playing at the data center with hacks. Guys, the guys that are inside the data center that install hacks.

[01:49:40] And then they hear caught and fired. I mean that's like, yeah criminals like that's just wow. Okay, you work at well, you work at AWS Amazon. Yeah, data center. 100% 10 grant install this on my virtual. No, no, not even that.

[01:49:56] Take this USB stick and stick it in this unit that they've already identified in his rack. No, no, no, they tell me, oh, $10,000 in your fucking bag put it in. It'll find the VM and knows everything the power does it right. That's what they built it to do.

[01:50:14] It's like, and people don't get it. How precise they can be if they really want to. All right, what do you know? You know, you've already scripted to do it. I mean, people talk about scripted kiddies. That's what it is.

[01:50:26] It's just the script that does the same thing that someone smart figured out. But all you mean, like there's this hacking tool called the lore, but I am getting. And it's just a thing you pointed at an IP address.

[01:50:39] And if you're access to a bot net, you destroy that IP. Yeah, so the D does. Yeah, absolutely, but you don't need any skill to use it. No, no, so there's no exact but but that there are some hacks.

[01:50:53] And as you're saying as those private exclusive hacks is that you have people that Exactly hit the exact right spot for exactly what they want. Yes, okay. So there's a really wide range and it'll never stop. It's a lot of people.

[01:51:10] It's a way, it's a way we found a solution to cloud to we found a solution to cloud. No cheating. We found a solution where there's no cheating. Well, except by Microsoft. Yes, right. Unless you. I'm sorry. I'm not if at the data center. Exactly.

[01:51:27] What if I grow up? I have to get a job at Microsoft. I have to get in there. I have to be the one to put the hacks in the system. That's my life goal. How fun. I'm like the next movie. That's a movie. That's a movie.

[01:51:40] That's a lot of things to be flexible. I'm sure about that. Inside Man 2, Star of Clive Owen. No, it's Robot Man 45 or Robot Man whatever. I Robot. I Robot. I Robot. I Robot. I Robot. I Robot. I Robot. I Robot. I Robot. I Robot. I Robot. I Robot.

[01:52:03] I Robot. I Robot. I Robot. What a tragedy that was. I can't even funny anymore. Did you ask, chat, GTP, GP, T.P. How game devs could possibly stop hackers? I asked the AI. I asked the AI. It had to think really hard this one. Okay.

[01:52:24] It really, really. It waited for like 30 minutes. No. Like the thing was blinking. Like the key was literally. I usually reassure. That's like I killed the AI and there's like, and then the text was like, mom typing on a fucking keyboard. It was like the cross-missory.

[01:52:40] It was so slow. Anyway, he came up with everything that we could have easily came up with on the shitter. So he's like, number one. Use anti-cheat software. Thanks. Number two. Implement strict penalties. Thanks. Thanks. Number three. Regularly update the game. Okay. All good points.

[01:53:10] It's a very support. It's a very, very support. Let's just because you know sometimes people don't even do that. They don't have to do the game. They don't have to do the game. They don't have to do the game. Yeah. They even try that guys.

[01:53:22] We laughed at it. But you don't. Yeah. The number two. They need to do it. The number four. Encourage fair play. Okay. Yeah. Every is a participation. And then it's. Yeah. The five monitor and reports suspicious activities. Well, it's not 30 minutes. You bet. No, no, no.

[01:53:43] You get this. Oh, here's the real answer. Number six. Educate. Blink blink blink blink blink. And then it died yet. Wow. You know what this means? You know what this means? The hackers have compromised. That's what it means. That's the thing that they've muscled. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:54:04] They're the same thing. Listen chat. Shut up. Okay. You don't need to tell anybody anything. Somebody works at OpenAI. That is a fucking hacker and a game cheater. He woke up 20 years ago. And he's like, I am going to infiltrate the next AI chat. The first day.

[01:54:25] I check what you mean next. Wow. That was the first round. It sounded it. There is a fucking glowing red eyed robot heading to Nathaniel. So yes, he fucking imagined. I wake up in the middle of the day. A little bit of a fucking attorney.

[01:54:40] I'll tell you one thousand or whatever. It's like a house. Just from space. I'm making a fool at a chat. GPT or whatever. GG, bud. So also guys, I asked the AI. I was a question that we kind of scratched from the show. Put it in here.

[01:54:59] I asked the I the I A. I asked the AI. I was like, what? What was the average age of a cheater? Oh. And according to surveys conducted by the entertainment software association, the ESA if you guys haven't heard of it. In 2019,

[01:55:20] the majority of video game players in the United States are adults with the average age of being 35 years old average age of a video game player 35 years old. Can you believe that? That's crazy. Of course. We had that statistic in our very first episode.

[01:55:36] A thousand percent you did. However, the same survey found that younger players specifically those between the ages of 18 and 34 were more likely to watch. I should have grabbed it. We're more likely to cheat in video games than older players like me.

[01:55:54] A study published in the journal of cyber psychology behavior and social networking in 2012. Cyber psychosis found that younger players were more likely to engage in cheating and hacking in video games than older players.

[01:56:09] The study surveyed over 2000 gamers and found that the average age of the cheater was 17 years old. There you go. Switch, streaming, watching little fucking puke. That's it. That's who it is. Yeah, I was spoken. I told you. I already told you. I just confirmed my suspicions. Alrighty.

[01:56:32] We're going to wrap there. And I hope we brought a lot of maybe what people don't normally think about when they think about cheaters. I hope we brought that to the forefront and made them think. Making people think.

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