A Halloween Episode - Back 4 Blood feat. Gaming Duo

I feel better that I grabbed a beer because like me not drinking and you all drinking would be just as bad as like you all not drinking and me being the only one having a beer, like drinking alone, you know what I mean. So I feel a lot better. Do you drink alone? I would drink alone on the pot if you guys weren't something. But I mean there's but there's five of us here. It's like one of my that would be a little weird. It's like the ratio has to be, you know, if you're just giving us brothers. There was one time where Rob and I we were drinking. I think I got ship faced, yeah, and I'm like, dude, we got like this is it? My man was slurring his words and what is going on with this guy? And he looks at his beer He's like, oh, ships ten percent. I'm like, well, those are my favorites. All right. Well let's start it up here. Hello, everybody, welcome to another episode of the Elder Trolls Gaming Podcast. If you're new, we are three brothers. We get together, we talk about gaming. But today we have special guests. We have Kelvin and Rob from the Gaming Dual podcast. Welcome to the Elder Trolls Gaming podcast. Look, boys, welcome. I just wanted to I just wanted a weird, awkward pause. That's why I was like, nice, thank you, what's going on, guys, Thank you, thank you guys for joining us. I'm sorry, thank you guys for allowing us to be a part of your podcast. Here. This is the first time, right, this is the first time we actually are your show. Yeah, altogether and all together. I think, yes, we were. Nate was on your show a long time ago. Then we were both were on your one hundredth episode, Yes School, which I watched live, I think right while it was happening. Why couldn't you be on the show? I don't remember. It was like it was late and I was tired, and I was like, fuck, I'd have to like set up and I was just I totally missed the jump in, but but I watched it. It was fun. You'll be on the two d episode. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, more year. Yeah. Yeah, that was a great time. That was a great time. Yeah, it was really fun. All right, Well, I didn't introduce myself. I am take it easy, John and with us nasty night. Dannd Off, the Wise there you go, and fall is here. Guys, it is a spooky season. Yes, do you guys have anything planned special for this spooky season? Any content coming up? Uh? Concept wise, we don't have anything kind of pertaining to the to the to the Fall series, So nothing, nothing great. But I mean just expect our usual weekly episodes and just you know, fun times. That's it. Yeah. I'm dressing up this weekend though for Halloween. Oh really really my video game video game costume or video game inspired I wish it's it's not though, it's your girlfriend, won't let you r we we we're doing uh the Bob Burgers people. Okay, Louise's hat yours, So we're doing. That's super easy. And uh, it's right next door so I can stumble back to my nice that's always the best Bob always. Yeah, I think it's Bob. I'll come as Jimmy Pesto. There you go, speaking about stumbling Rob. I don't know if you want to talk about our our fun time at the wedding. Oh yeah, you guys went to love on Instagram this weekend. We always let me just say we made good wash those shoes, like what is that patent leather? Get some When I went to go rent my shoes, I got them and they put the shoes in the tucks bag right and I was like packing the car to go to the place we needed to be, and I just happened to take the shoes out right before I left and even check them. But I looked at them and it was like huge, like cut, like they took a box cutter at the shoe. And I was like, what happened if I like got to the place, and like I got and I was just like, so I like called the place, like, you know, did someone stabbed my shoes? You gave me some broken you know, just like his shoes are in that YouTube guys video chopping steaks and his shoes Evan they got set in the cold steel factory. Like what happened? I mean we were in New Haven. It's probably when they were when they were uncut, like cutting it off with the palette or some ship you know that went right in into the box or something maybe, But like when they were getting you think so that, oh man, it wouldn't be a it wouldn't be like a stressful event without some fucking fastball like that though being thrown at you know for sure that crap cut off toes. They're hanging out. Yeah, I didn't have time to get new shoes, just smiggling during the sea. It was in a church too. Yeah, we are joined here today, hanging ten, just squeaking his toes. Oh yeah, yep. What about you, Nate, you have anything we don't. I don't really do anything for this, usually do what for what? Oh? The spooky season, Spooky season. I really wanted to get on more Resident Evil Village VR, but I like, I've had two or three really big headshot jobs and it's consumed most of my free time. And then work is getting insanely busy, so I don't have any time to like, you know, not play games, you know, but like that games at work and then like it's just it's just a whirlwind right now. So it's finally coming down. I just got to find some winter tires for my new car. Got a new car, Volkswagen Taos. Yeah yeah, yeah, the high line, I got the sun roof. I got the heated seats and the cooling seats. Dude, cooling seats. I used to have cooling seats back in Man. Love it. It's amazing game, Like I don't my back, don't sweat no more? Yeah, exactly in the seat right, I think they just they just pumped the a seat into the seat and there's just vents and it's just like it's just like into the cushioning comes onto your back and like flow so you never have sweat ever. Wow, that is that is like a luxury item, living Faniel, Like that's a that's a life changer. Okay, game changer. That's like our buddy, our buddies, our buddy, squirt squirty Wort has this controller. By the way Squardy words squirty work. Yeah, he had Well it's funny because he could spell it like on the keyboard just like like very easily. It's s q w e r T. But he had this old controller and his palms would get so fucking sweaty. And he bought a controllers. It's amazing. He used to like he would come over and visit, and I'm very particular about my ship. Guys, Like when someone touches my stuff and if they have hands, like squirty work, I would like pick up. I would pick up my controllers after and I'm like what the fuck, And I have to like I remember doing Yeah, he throw you off your game. He'd be like playing and then he would just put his sweaty palm on your back, on your on your head or something. You're like, god's hilarious, Oh my god. All right, Yeah. I don't do anything usually for for this other than playing maybe a scary game or something like that. I need to do a game in particular that you want to play like this time of year, or I don't said. Last year I played Alien Isolation and it was so fucking scary, like I I couldn't even like I played like two hours of it. I was like, that is all I can do it. So they don't have on a game pass. I think they pulled it or so they took it off to it's worth it though, I mean, it's such a good game. It's so how much it is I can't Well, they just added the box or something. Is that a Clysto protocol to the paplut that's right? Yeah, and Dead Space the remake scary games. I was thinking one that's coming out I think this week, which is adam Way two, and I've seen the reviews popping off. Amazing, dude, like tens every right. I never to play the first one. Never play the first one either, but you don't have to. From what it's it from you like a recap thing for you. Oh nice, that's okay. Does it run like ship? Do we know the performance on it? They GameSpot reviewed the PC version of the game, and they they gave it a ten out of ten. So I'm assuming it's it's running interesting and that's a psychological thriller type of experience, So I'm off for that. Like games So, same guys who made Control and max Pain right, yes, so if you're familiar with control like that, that's like a mind fux. So definitely like probably in the same Yeah, damn my ten ten? Yeah, like a ten is ten is perfect? I never and probably will never give a game a ten, you know what I mean, right right, because there's always something wrong. Well, I can't give something at ten out of ten. There's not such thing as a ten out of ten. You can't think of any game, any game of ten ten, not one single game a ten at a ten? What a game that gets ten out of ten? For me? Is I would have I would have said nothing to myself throughout the entire gameplay, like, oh I wish they did this or I was playing and I'm like, I don't like what they did there. If I don't say that through the entire game, it's a ten out of ten. And I've always had something to say about what I don't like in a game, because ten out of ten has got to be perfect. It's got to be the perfect game for me. I have to have zero issues with it for it to be a ten out of ten. That's why I would never give zero issues. Yeah you're dreaming, man' I don't. Yeah, I don't. I can't. I'm trying to think of one, but no, I can't. I given nine nine point fives. But yeah, we can say ten out of ten because we're just like, oh my god, I love it. But like, objectively, ten out of ten is just not, in my opinion, possible. But Rob said, you you may have one. Yeah, one, and it's an okay game, legend of all the ockeran of time. Okay, no, no, no, no, wait, set the standard for all the you know all the game is very gooday, right, very well? Yeah? Yeah, and it has its Again, I can't say it has issues because it's not a ton of ten of has issues, right, So just your issues guys. It's a perfect game. Perfect that's it. Okay, all right, I can't think of anything wrong with it right now, so take your word. Mm hmmm, all right? Should we what do we? Who's playing what? Right now? We're going in the game time? We're going in the game time. Boys, okay, we're back game time. So what are you playing? What are you playing? Who's playing? What? Here? Who wants to start? I'll start? I think Rob and I are kind of on the same level here. We're playing Spider Man two. Oh yeah, yes, yeah, and my god, it's right now. I'm just kidding. There's definitely issues with the game, especially Rob had one little little glitch that was hysterical with the little box glitch there. Yeah, that was super weird. What about the what about the Cuban and Puerto Rican flag? Did you guys pick that up? I didn't notice it until I saw that online. But that that's such a funk up, dude, Like, come on, what I need context to give me? Give me And this happened in the last game too, but they mistakenly switched the Puerto Rican flag with the Cuban flag, and Miles is Puerto Rican half Putrican half flag. And so in his house you'll see a Cuban flag rather than a Puerto Rican, just the wrong. And I was just like, how do you how do you mess that up? Like this is not even the first time, this is the second time. Come, here's the second time. I get it one time, Yeah, but this is that's so they're fixing it. They already like said that they'll address it. So we're just waiting for a patch. But when I got to that part of the game, I knew that was like an issue. I knew that they did that and against the apartment and I look at the flag, and I knew this happened right right, And I'm like, that's the wrong flag, that's not the right And I'm like, yep, yep, that's not good. Not good. It would happen if like we had the American flag somewhere and they like replaced it with like the British flag or something. I was just thinking that, but I was just as good as doing that, or just as bad. I looked at the Puerto Rican and the Cuban flag and they're similar to the colors are swapped. Yeah, yeah, so it would be like it'd be like, uh, Italian flag what's the Italian with Meali looks yeah, with the Mexican flag without the you know yeh yeah. Similar for a game that has a strong representation, right, it's kind of like a weird fuck up to have it. It was like, let's say, I don't know Back for Blood, which I'm sure we'll be talking about soonah, and they had like some random flag. They're like, nobody's gonna give a ship. It's not really it's not ingrained in like the main character exactly the culture, but this big Miles. Everyone knows myles at this point. It's just kind of like a weird thing to do. But regardless, that game is really good, like better than the first one in my opinion, And we talked about in our last episode, which should be out when this is out, so if you guys want to check it out, shameless plug. But it's such a fun game, and I think it does. It's like one of the best Sony games when it comes to just having fun, like having just that fun factor like Sony where it's they're known for having this like top tier like over the top you know, triple A budget titles, whereas this game has all that, but it's just the fun factor in it make it worthwhile, right, and then the traversal in the game is just top notes. You can't really compete with anything else. It's so good, dude, it's so good flying around on the fucking wingsuit the window like you're Superman. Like you're literally just flying around the seat like Superman. I was like, this is so sick. And then you can just start swinging if you want, and the fast traveling is instant yep, it instantaneally just goes right over. That's sick. It's fucking sweet. But you don't want to fast travel in the game, Like, you don't even want to, you just want to swing. I don't. I don't very often. What did they do for What did they do for Miles Morales the game itself for fast traveling, it was like a subway cut scene, like you're on the subway or something. I think, yeah, it showed him on like a train train. Yeah, kind of. I like that though. It was kind of like, Okay, well, at least it's like giving me some sort of context or like explanation for the fast traveling. It's like, oh, I'm on a I'm on a subway. It's cool because you can see your soup and it's like kind of nice to see, whereas now you don't need that because it's all instantaneously right right. It kind of cuts that And that's another great thing. That's a great point where this game cuts a lot of fat from like the previous games. Right where you're you're noticing you don't have that fast travel feature because they don't need it anymore. A lot of the side quest or mini games are cut down, like you know how like the first game you had so many of the car chases like that was like the numerous things like that's kind of cut down. There's so many things that they like tweaked a little bit, but they made so much better and then quality of life things are just like out of this world, you know. The one big thing I like is the fact that if you're doing a puzzle and you don't want to do the puzzle, you can literally just pause and then just skip the puzzle if you want. Oh, I like that. Izz I didn't even know you could skip puzzles. What do you mean to skip puzzles? Like the like the little plant things and yeah, you can skip those, but to be fair, the puzzles are insanely easy. So if you are dumb, I am dumb. But but this is the thing, though, I don't I hate the puzzles. I'm like you, Nate, I mean, I don't want to do this. I didn't want or twice and I'm just like, I don't want to keep doing this, Like I don't want to waste my time on this. And that's what I mean by cutting it back, because I've been just sitting there blasting molecules. How smart you feel after you blast those molecules? All right? You feel like why am I doing this? Oh? I want to ask you guys, did you get to the Mary Jane part yet? Where you play as Mary Jane? Yeah? So you care for that? Do you wish it was just cut out? Did it't have a point in the game? Which one is cool? The old game or the new game? Because I hated the old one. I was like, can Iki this? Yeah? That was bad? That was bad. This one wasn't bad because it was it was cool. You were like sneaking around Craven's like Bassay trying to Kurt Connors the lizard. Oh yeah, and full disclosure, I don't know if Rob beat the game yet. I haven't beat the game, you know, John, Okay, okay, yeah, so we've gotten to that point. I don't mind it, but it's better than the first game, for sure. I would rather not have it in the game if if I had the option, you know what I mean. But that's just it is. Do I roll my eyes when they put me in the Marria Jane, I'm like, we're gonna do this again? Okay, because I mean, she hasn't she doesn't get around, she doesn't jump around, she has no powers. Like I don't play as somebody doesn't have powers. I don't care exactly. I don't want to play as a journalist and a spider man. That's not fun. This is a you know plays he plays the side characters. Now I know that it's coming up. I won't even play the game now. It's pretty cool. It's pretty cool. I just watched into the Spider Verse on UHD The Good and it got me really pumped. I'd like to watch it here. Actually, yeah, that'd be sweet. Yeah, you guys got to start playing this. It's oh yeah. Nathaniel made me buy it physically, and then he says he's going to borrow it. Now he's not even gonna buy it. There you took, I took Kelvins. I was like, he downloading. He's like, yep, okay, I just do you guys share like your family share. Nice. Yeah, that's the way to do it. That's nice way way to do it. I think Daniel has my account on his PlayStation, so he has access to so like next time, if there's a cool game that I want to buy, and you know, I'm like, hey, Rob, buy this game, so donald it and he's like, yeah, nice, we just do that. I was talking about it to buy a physical because I think you can only be on one other PlayStation or something. Is there a real PlayStation whore? I can't. I can't put my account on yours and Daniels. I don't think. Oh yeah, I think it's only one place. I'm not too sure though. I'm not sure. I would put Jonathan's on mine and then mine's on Daniels something like that. Yeah, but then you know you have the one account that's like the main account. I guess that's boys. We got to keep physical media alive. Okay, that's true. Traded in, well, you traded in, you know, I traded in after so you know traded, so physical make some money after this, Yeah, not make money, but get some money back. Yeah, because they're so expensive. Now, how much was the game? One hundred bucks Canadian seven five? Yeah? Probably? Oh yeah. Anyway, anyway, let me say, Okay, the game is amazing. Now, are you at all concerned that it's the same game? Exactly? I was gonna ask the old ones, like, are you at all concerned about this? Like, while it is amazing, I mean, like why I thought that, how amazing can it be? It's a formula that they've been using that that is just the same. It's it's a sequel, so it shouldn't be insanely different. It should just be an extension of the first one. But it is the third time they've done it. Now. Well, Miles Morales was like, kind of like, I don't appreciate you always cutting out Miles Morales, Rob, it's a phenomenal game. It's a havesie's game. It is one and a half, all right, It's not the full fledged sequel. So that's how I looked at it too, But it was still amazing. It was great. I need you to put some respect on that. Well, I love a spider Man too, so there you go. Okay, But I was just saying, like the game play loop is all the same, like and it's just the story that is continued. Now that's fine because it's so good, But I mean, is that a good like the next one they change it something? Probably some like maybe sometimes I think like if they do this again, is that okay? It gets still because I didn't pick the game up because I knew that not much is going to be different other than you're getting Venom. You're getting Buddy Dude, Buddy Buddy, the beast guy in the woods. Yeah, yeah, I didn't drop I didn't drop the hundred bucks. It was like, yeah, it's gonna be great, but like, I've got so many other games to play, and I'll just listen to these guys talk about it and I'll get Jonathan to buy and then I'll borrow it. So I understand that. But when it comes to like Diabolo four, like is that and and and I'm coming from a same point where like I haven't played the album, so but I'm looking at it from my lens and I'm like, this looks the same? Is it the same? Is the same? The same as three? I mean technically story it was, Yeah, the story was good and in four, but like I'm not just going to keep playing it over and over and over again, like I've got like four hundred hours. Yeah, I already have like three hundred hour. So then does that change your perspective? Like like if Diablo five homes out, do you want it to change the formula? It's kind of like the same situation or Overwatch too, right, it's like the same formula. I will rebut because I was is that a word? That is a word? But you did good, button, I'm gonna have to get that sound like, yeah, So how I see it is I was we were huge into like MMO Rpugs, right, and then when we got out of for the Warcraft and I got out of Final Fantasy, you know, I didn't want to jump into like super Maximum MMO Rpug absorbed my life kind of thing, right, Okay, But like Diablo four and the Diablo franchise meets me kind of halfway in a way where I get that kind of itch and I get that kind of addiction, but it's not like Super World of Warcraft addiction, and it's not Final Fantasy for addiction. Okay, it's like your daily's out of the way. Yeah yeah, yeah, And I smash them things, I collect some loute. I like the feeling, and then I'm out. That's why I keep coming back to Diablo games, because they give me microdoses of my of my took so long to get to a hundred oh, and I was just like, I haven't got to hundreds. Like I've been doing the same thing over and over again for the last thirty hours of gameplay, like literally the same thing. I can just do the same level. I feel the same with Spider Man two right where And I've talked to Rob about this numerous times, where the combat in the game is very samey, it's repetitive as fuck. Right, it's fun, but after the first five hours or so, you're like, all right, it's the same enemies, it's the same kind of like fighting mechanics, Like I get it, Like I'm I want to get past the fighting sometimes to just get into the story or the swinging, Like I want to get past that. That's why I do stealth. I do stealth oh yeah, yeah, so I don't have to really yeah, but then it takes so much longer too. I feel like I'm just like, yeah, whatever. But to answer your question, John, I think it's they definitely have to do something else for Spider Man three, right, because and I think they try to do this with Spider Man two, with the whole you know, switching between Spider Man and Miles Browns. Right. They have different gameplay mechanics that kind of change it up for you fighting techniques. Yeah, so it keeps it fresh for sure, But overall, the core mechanic is you're swinging, you're fighting kind of similar to Batman Arkham series, and you're progressing through the story. I just feel like your story is so good though. Do you find the combat is similar to like God of War? It uses the same formula, It's like that timing circle dodge. Yeah, even obviously Funnel Fantasy sixteen. It's it's very similar to Funnel sixteen where oh is it? Yeah, well, it's not like in the sense that you have the like you said, L want to dodge and you have your special abilities where you hit L one in circle or square. It's mapped out to whatever. They're all very samey in that sense. Hmm. I think that's just a good formula for us. Yeah, it's just good because the Shadow of War, Shadow of Mordor games they were the exact same too. They were amazing. Those games are so sick and hey, man, if they broke, they'll fix it, right, I mean Spiders, So two point five million copies. Maybe I'm just stay for this next, for the next you know, formula, just waiting. I will say it's very cool that they're introducing the venom component because like, if you're playing his Venom, that's already a plus one for like the different game, Like you're not stuck in Spider Man's kind of mechanic groove or loop. Instead you're playing tree for the other character, a villain skill tree. Yeah, it's cool. From what I've read in the third game, possibly they would explore adding additional Marvel characters into the game again, but more like Avengers type style, like introducing those guys. But man, imagine the Avengers was like this was like the same thing, and they had all the characters and all of their combat, like that would be so, yeah, that would be cool. They all have like the mechanic, but we felt like, just like Spider Man, it just feels natural. It feel they will have their own thing. Yeah, and I could play as Hawkeye. Yeah that guy. You picked that guy? Did you watch the show Hawkeye? Show? I watch it? You did? I liked it. It was good. I fell off after Loki after the Loki finish. IM like, all right, this was I think it was before Loki. Yeah, it was, Yeah, I somehow watched it was cool because it was on Christmas too, was like a Christmas thing. Watched Christmas thing to watch all of wan Division, and I was like, okay, and then I started. I watched the two episodes of the first one. That was the first show I know, and then I was the Captain America's like I can't do this, man, because that's what I did show. That's exactly what I did. And I was like, I'm not I can't commit to like four more characters spin offs and like it just takes so long to get to the pool of the Falcon. What was it called, yea cougar Falcon America Bird, Yeah, Soldier, Yeah, yes, thank you. That was a good show. I was a good one. But see, I compare those shows to like The Boys. Every watch guys watched The Boys on it, and I've heard of it. I haven't watched they have, so I think they're so much better because everything's just like sped up and like getting to the point there's always like a ship moment. That last season of the Boys made me so fucking angry. I was furious. There's off now right there. Yeah, like what I don't know what it's called right now, but v G V V gen V. Yeah is good. I've seen it. Yeah, it's pretty Yeah, we're watching it. We're up to date, I think, but yeah, it's did they keep the gordiness in the same style? Yeah? Yeah, Have you guys watched The Invincible or the first season? Is that out yet? The second? One? Second one? November? First week of November. Let's go, yeah, let's go. That's yeah, yes, okay, hey, let's talk about some games. I've got something I was going to say that I was just going to ask you. I was just gonna throw it over to you, guys. What games have you played? I finally finished lies of I want to hear about this. Let's go. Yeah, I need your thought. Yeah, this game for me was brutally hard, brutally hard, like the first I don't know, three or four chapters. I was like, Okay, it ain't so bad, says so bad, say so bad. I got that, like, holy fuck man, I'll be doing I'll be doing the whole YouTube review. But that's I. I played I've Beaten elden Ring, which took me about ninety hours. I think I played elder Ring, and then I played Demons. I beat Demons Souls, which took me about forty five hours. Okay, this game took me seventy one hours. Okay, and it's shorter than those other games, right, I don't think it's shorter. Okay, okay, because one of my biggest issues, but my biggest issue was it was there was a lot of chapters. Okay, there's eleven chapter, eleven chapters. There's eleven chapters, almost chapter four, and I'm like, I'm almost being this game. I'm gonna get Yeah, that's exactly what chapter five. And I was like, I gotta be near the end. Oh no, wow, that's good to know. Okay, this game could have been. This game could have ended at chapter eight. I think it would have been perfect if they if they ended it like two or three chapters, because when you get the chapter eleven, rob, I don't just if you get the chapter, if you're going to push it to get there. I'm gonna give call me bitch, I'm gonna get there if you just like get tired and like drop off. But like Levin has like eight stargazers or something like nineh like four yeah stargazers and okay, oh good, and it gets so hard, Like for me, it's hard. You've played a lot more of these games than I have. But like, holy shit, I'm at the Archbishop right now and he's kind of a little bit I will give him, but I got through him pretty good, pretty easily. Not easily, but like maybe like ten tries. Usually what I'll do is I'll I'll try ten fifteen tries myself without the help of a Minion, and then if I'm just like okay, fuck it, I'll start Minion and then I'll go buy a bunch of throwables and that's how I'll just finish the fight that way, right, So they have a way of giving you an easy mode or an easy way out, but it still can get pretty hard, even with your Minion and even with your throwables. So like, but near the end, is that what you're saying when you you cheese in it, you were cheese and boss cheese whenever you choose a boss. So there's one boss where everything. I get this boss stuck behind a rock kind of thing, right, and he's like running after me, but he's stuck at a rock. I just whip grenades and face No. That was like my thirtieth try on the guy. I was like, I gotta get this guy done, so then I'll just like get him stuck somewhere and whip grenades in his face and he'll die. But like I'll always try, I always try to do it properly first, but dumb. I do have one question for you for Eliza P. I know with that game you can disassemble weapons and put different blades on different handles, which is really cool, so cool, But towards the end of the game, did you end up opting to upgrade the weapons that are a standalone that that are you don't have to do that that they don't you can't dissemble them, So would you find the strongest weapons? I guess I ended up with the two Dragon Sword, which is the Cotana, which is a special weapon so you can't swamp candles. Uh, you can upgrade it, you can only upgrade it to like level five versus level ten on the uh the customized ones. But until that point, like chapter I think it was nine, I was using a spear, quick spear, little chokes, boker, acid, spear, the poker, the poker. It's huge, Like you have to really find the enemy's weaknesses, right, So you got to use fire against the corpses, you got to use electricity against the puppets, and you got to use pokemon acid against humans. Way more a paniast than see. Every time you guys talk about this game, like we were in the discord a few like nights ago, and just hearing you guys bands are about this game, I'm just like, damn, I really want to play. I play this game. And Rob he's telling me, like, you'll love this game, and I know I will. I just need to find that time to like really put some some hours in. Like the I think the polish that they put on it, like how it looks and feels it so it looks so good. Unereal Engine four, Like they blew it out of the water with this game. It looks so sick. Like the design of everything very cool, very cool, very cool, very cool. I recommend you play Bloodborne, man, I will if you love this game. I think I got it. I think I got it with the PS five, right, with the PlayStation plus. Yeah, but only thirty election yes, so yeah, I deal with that. I know, I know I was waiting. I was waiting. But there's not going to be a six years snob. We're all FPS snobs here, right, But it just makes such a big time. It's like thirty percent thirty fps versus sixty percent or sixty of France per second. It's just like night and day now yeah nowadays, Yeah, because it's like we've been spoiled. Yeah, we've been Yeah, that's basically speaking of being spoiled spider Man, right, we we You know, you can change it to fidelity mode. You can change it to performance mode. And I tried a deadly mode just to see, like, oh I want preiographics. I want to say how it is, dude. It looks gorgeous, right obviously, as soon as you start swinging, it looks like dog shit, It looks so fucking happy, and it's just okay, okay, Well that's probably because your televisions do not support a variable refresh rate vr R. There is a setting, an option turn it off in No, there's an option in if you have it. Maybe you didn't see this, but I have an option. You's got pretty new though for that, Yeah, you have to have a new, pretty new TV. But you can use one hundred and twenty Hurtz mode and turn on VRR and in fidelity mode you actually get forty fps, right, which I don't have VRR, so I'm assuming if I So, if I, if I turn off vr R on the settings, would that help? You're gonna get locked at thirty at thirty right, it's targeting thirty. Lock it thirty. But if you have vr R one hundred and twenty, it'll it'll walk to forty and there'll be no frame cap and it'll just it'll go higher than forty sometimes. Yeah, but then you'll feel that variation. No, you don't, really you don't. I don't. I haven't really noticed it. It's like a solid forty I think at least. So it's really nice. I should be able to do that fidelity mode with like the raid tracing and everything on. Cool pretty sick. Yeah, So Eliza P very good. I'm done. I'm glad. I'm done. I'm I almost I almost quit because I don't want to get I don't want to get the spoilers at the first. I don't want to give the spoilers at the end. So okay, okay, I was. It was very close. I almost gave in, but I looked at my wife. She's sitting there beside me. She's like, you can do it, like a like a Happy Madison movie. You can do it. Last night, chrispher one hour when Decision was messaging me on Discord and he's like, just stream the fucking game so I can watch you get your ass beat. I was like sitting there for fifteen hours and there I'm on my Xbox. I'm like I like twelve thirty in the morning, Like I can't do this anymore. So like I went to bed. Then I woke up because I had to take a massive piss. Woke up at like seven am, and I played for an hour straight and I fucking hammered it out. I was like, ah, you did it in the morning. Oh yeah, because he had energy. He was like ready to go and like why wits were about me? You know? Wow? He went to bed angry that. Oh yeah, I was. I was thinking about it. I was thinking about it. Wow. Wow. I was like I can't I can't let this game beat me. Problem, But like, here's a question. Help, Should I Should I take a little break from these kind of games and play a little short game? Yes, you should play at run. So I might take Tony or Samurai KiB up on his recommendation of Planet of Lanta. Oh god, he's such a it's a great game. It's just such a like chill, good fresh, you know, yeah, a little refresher and then I'm gonna jump right back in the Lords of the Fallen. Okay, dark face, why do you hate yourself? Did you guys tell you about the Lords? And we were able to play the Lords of the Fallen demo at Comic Con? Really did we? Yeah? Comic Yeah, so we were there and I actually saw Chazzi there for like a second in New Jersey in New York City. Yeah it's really yeah, nice nice. But they had this big tour bus of Lords have Fallen over outside of the Javit Center, outside the convention center, and there's a line were like we're like okay, and there was a couple of people behind of us, and the developer I guess was up there and like send this line for at least half an hour, at this point or like, what the hell's going on? Like do they have one TV in there? Turns out the demo they had four TVs in the tour bus and a demo was an hour long, so people were sitting there for an hour. Yeah, you're not going to you're not going to get in there. Yeah, so we got a person a part of us, and we're like, what is taking on? Like, oh, they're like it's an hour long, and there's like time slots, so like you guys might get into two o'clock timeslot, but like, you guys might not ligne with each other because if there's like three people, like people online, like you're not gonna go with a group and then someone else can't have to wait another hour while I'm like, so we ended up like leaving a billion stupid hour long demo. An hour long demo, it's crazy. That's very long. So real quick, what do you think of the game? Like is it worth? Like obviously you want to go back to it, right, Nate? So oh yeah, oh yeah, I played like ten hours of it. Oh yeah, i'm am. You sent that video of you the platforming thing and you're getting your ass beat, dude, Like there's this whole there's a whole area of the game or checkpoint where it's like scaffolding and ladders and all the ship on the side of a mountain. Rights just plat platforming in those games, because the camera angles are always dog shit and those they're ship so like you're trying to turn a cam you're trying to turn into the corner or get on top of the platform, and the camera's really slow to like follow you, and you she smoked in the face and you're like, oh, and you go to back up. I go to back up, and I just fucking fall off your fucking platform. Yeah, oh my god. And then I'm climbing down the ladder to just like give me time to breathe and just kind of calculate my surroundings, and the guy jumps off the platform and head butts me off the ladder. Yeah. That was hilarious. I love that. But like when I was playing Liza P I kind of like wanted to play more of Falling because the way, I don't know, it looked really cool. The whole like swapping worlds with the lantern is so fucking cool. It's so cool. That's like that sounds like something from a link to the past. Yeah, well yeah, but it's like the mirror and you change and you change. This was like, oh, there's a wall here, there's a wall here. I'll check the underworld and you bring up your lamp and there's like a path of like dead bodies and skeletons that have opened this thing. You're like, oh, sweet, really cool me. Did you guys? Obviously you guys played and beat Starfield, but there's one mission star Field where you like go to this planner of this base and you go back and forth between like the ravage version and part of the literally playing that that mission right now, it's like frustrating, but it's cool, Okay. I know. I was like, I I didn't have a lot of time. I was like, I have to wait until I have more time to get into this level. So I didn't quite do is that Vanguard? That level story? It's main story. Yeah, it's main story. Oh has no idea? Were talking about getting play the game? I did not, But yeah I did not. That's it for me anybody else, anybody else, Daniel, what do you want to talk about? We're talking about buttered sausage in my face? What's the do to my face, get out of my face. I pulled a face earlier. I pulled a face earlier because Rob I was watching it. Drink your beer at one point and you were like halfway down your pint and then like suddenly it's just full again. I was like, you got a draft cap beside you that. Yeah, it's just like it's at the bottom of it. It's at the bottom of his mic here. Yep, that's the picture. I was like, Damn, he's got an I wish, I wish, and your cool dear PC. Yeah, actually have a computer. It's just like a freezer, like a fridge. It burst cold beer into the top into the cooling and then it warms it up while it cools this peci Yeah. No, I've been playing a few things, mostly just kind of like dipping my toes in. But Starfield is kind of the one thing that I've been chipping away at the most. But I got all three of my all three of the factions done that I wanted to. So I finished Vanguard, I finished Crimson Fleet, I finished Free Star Collective, and now I'm doing the main story, which is where I got to that point now where I'm kind of doing the jump between things, and I was just like, oh, this is crazy, but I didn't again, like I said, I didn't have a lot of time to get into that and I wanted to really immerse myself. So I'm gonna pause on it and I'll get back to it soon. I did a little bit of a jumped in a little bit of Sea of Thieves because there's a new there was a new update and there's a new season coming, and they made it like I think it's season ten, and they made it ten friendlier somehow, like they made it so that the game isn't so cutthroat and thrill house. My buddy Matt, who introduced me to kind of this new huge wave that I've been on playing it, he just like uninstalled it. He's like, no, if it's getting friendlier, I don't want to play it because the whole point of that game is to be a pirate and to be cut and to like earn your keep on the seat and to get into PvP fights and like learn how to survive and do your thing. And he's right, and I don't know what it will entail, so we're going to find out. But there are they introduced like guilds and stuff. Is it just another like a limited time mode or is it an actual update what they're making. No, I think that it's just gonna be easier going forward. Like there's so many people on forums, like see if these forums commenting like I'm trying to play this game with my son and just like you know what, I play the game, then what are you doing? So anyway, I don't know if they listen to these comments and they read them and they're like, well, okay, maybe we should like level the playing mixed servers for newbs mixed family, yeah you know, but yeah, I know there's guilds now, and you can like donate your ship to a guild so that like everybody in your friend guild or whatever can use that ship instead of like just you being a captain and having to be on the server with them to use your ship. I think, uh so stuff like that. Uh New Editions, but we didn't really. We dipped our toes in for the first time in a while, and we start tried to do afford a fortune, which is like the hardest, one of the hardest sports in the game. It has like the rarest loot, and we show up to see if there was another crew doing it, because again I only have one. I still have one chest of legends to steal from another guild so I get the Legendary Thief commendation. I need to have stolen legendary Thief. No, no, I have one more chest to steal. I got my barnacle thing that was three hundred sunken chests I had handed. Oh that was my rare achievement. But this I still have one more chest to steal to get the legendary Thief. And another crew wasn't at the event doing it, so I was like fux. So I was like, okay, well we'll do it. So you have we just got doing it and some guys showed up and you get a third party. Yeah, so that wasn't that fun. But we also got a decent haul in the mill beginning, so it wasn't all wasted. I also loaded up Forza. Did you say, I was just going to say, real quick, how many hours did you put into? Oh? Man, I think I'm at four hundred plus now almost five hours, Scott, it's a lot. It's a lot. Maybe one day you'll have a lot like thirty six hundred hours. I'm talking Apex. Yeah, it has to be. Oh yeah, that's Apex for sure. But no, I I look it up Forza and I chose my I chose the Honda model they have they are or something, what is it, Jonathan type are type? Yeah, yeah, so I chose the Honda for my starter and I just I went to go do a fucking race the other night while I was waiting for you guys. Actually when we were yeah, it just crashed. It was like a piece of ship. So I didn't even get to play that. Uh so we'll see. I did like the tutorial whatever, and it was kind of here's the thing I don't like about those games about Warza. When you start the game, it's like we're going to put you in this insane sports car. We're going to put you in this Corvette and it's gonna handle beautifully and look how cool and fast you go. Yeah, man, you can't have the best right off the bat. Yeah, but then they're like, hey, here's this, here's this, like cars, you got your way up. No, No, I think it's just remember those old remember those old shitty races and like Grand Turismo, like to Grand Chrismo too. You had to be these little tiny cube and it was the slowest race. There was one Grand seven but that ship okay, Grand had the same little Nissan Cube or something, and it's the slowest car. It's just like a regular Shuv on the road and just race with that. It has like sixty eight horse power, just like a freak game. I couldn't get through one one race without a crashing. The video well, I hope that's not my experience. That's though. The tutorial was cool. I mean, handling was a little weirder than I expected to be. It's just it's felt super like because I'm just used to g t A or Cyberpunk or whatever wepping around corners. Oh yeah, but this was like fuck And I was like trying to like yeah, because it felt like you needed more of a nuanced control. So I'm looking forward to playing more and just you know, just kind of race by race or whatever. But I'm really not going to be over you know, playing it. But you should try a control freak on the left joystick. That's what I tried. It's like a little extension and I put it on the left joystick to get a little more precision turning. So it wasn't as it worked pretty well. I'll find a jerky at all I find I'm turning, I'm putting on a stick left and the car doesn't fucking do anything because you're still a foot on the game. This game is about breaking man car. And I'm pedal to the to the medal and I turned my wheel. I'm gonna fucking flip and barrel roll down the highway. Why can't I do that? In this game? You just slide. I guess. Yeah, I don't want you to do that. It just slides. You want that's what you want. You want to for club, Yeah, you would take it to have to reset your car or if it's if it's realistic, they would you would be out. Yes, you would just die. Just die your car. It's like game over. You're like, okay, I'll restart. Then you will slide. That's why they do it, at least in this fucking game. I haven't gone the wrong way yet, like in Mario Card you know what I mean, Like, you can't do that in that I don't think that's awesome. That would be very dumb. You'd be very terripens a lot, I can assure you, especially on sixty four, because you can't fucking see that. You can't see the ship. But anyway, that's really all I've been playing, just a few things and just kind of some casual, but Starfields that's still the big one because I am not falling into the trap. I am not getting Spider Man yet. I am not getting Bantam Liberty yet. I will leave Starfield before I do. Either way, I don't know which one I'll get next. I'm very tempted between both, so we'll see. Good. Because when I got Spider Man, I dropped everything. I dropped everything. I was like, yeah, I don't care. I would love to do that. I would love to So I dropped fan deblivery for Spider Man. Actually, yeah, that's why I I was gonna buy it. And I was like, let me wait, let me wait. Well, I mean I finished Balderskate three before I play Yeah, start right. Yeah, so I did it, So now you have to do it. You have to go back. I have to go back to do it. To beat that game, I gotta play that game. Okay, let me answer you guys a question. Do I have time to beat Balder's Gate three before the game awards? He said, no, awards again, I mean, like seventy it took me seventy hours. The okay, it's many hours. I have seventy hours and I did a lot and I finished the game. If I do the main quest, if I just like, am I am? I not? Would I just be like, yeah, yeah, I could do it. Okay, yeah, but it wouldn't happen. But would you? You'd go finding things good? Like yeah, the best hour. The quest is good. Quest is good, but damn the side stuff is just is just I have a family, I have, you know, a cottage, and see that's crazy to me. Seventy hours It took you to be Bather's Gate three and it took me seventy hours to beat Liza p you know what I mean? And I couldn't put the controller down. Yeah, but here's the thing about Lies of P is you died a million times. Whereas that's I wouldn't count that as like that game was really thirty hours because you died, But I spent I spent seventy hours time dying, right, Well, yeah, how many hours? It doesn't tell you? You should give you a stat like a st you wasted this much of your life? How many times? Much time? And loading screens just waiting to spawn or whatever. Oh yeah, yeah, alright, alright, hey the thing we have an AD We're doing an AD break today, yes, okay, and then we're going to go into gaming news. You got gaming news? Is that? Yeah? I wanted to put these guys heads. I don't know anything about this. Have to educate me here all right, Hello everyone, We are thrilled to announce an exciting new partnership with vrrock dot com. Get ready to enhance your VR experience with vr rocks protective lenses, available for both prescription and non prescription users. 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Okay, and we're back. We've got some gaming news. We got some gaming news. Take it away, all right? All right, boys, So the gaming duo, you know, they changed their format a little a little while back, but you guys are big into like the news, the news things. So I was wondering if you guys heard of this. I haven't listened. Well, obviously I haven't listened to your next episode. Was hoping you didn't cover this in your latest episode. Let me know, we'll cut it out. Did you guys cover the David Jeff tweet about his insider at the PlayStation Studios talking about Jim Ryan's leave and the people he fired and all this shit. I have not heard about this actually, okay, so did not whatever Jim Ryan left or yeah, I guess he stepped down. Is that what they said? Yeah he retired, Yeah, yeah, he retired. So Connie Booth thirty four years with Sony okay, thirty four years and the PlayStation head of production. She wasn't let go. She wasn't or she didn't retire, she was fired. Okay, thirty four years. You're fired. Maybe because she was putting up a wall against Jim Ryan. What he was saying, we don't know. Sean Laden, who was the chairman of s I E Worldwide Studios. Previously he served as the president and CEO of Sony Interactive America, was escorted out of the building when he was let go. Jim Ryan was convinced that games as a service was the future and told PlayStation first party studios to start making them. Okay, PlayStation studios were very unhappy about this direction. Okay, games as a service, I beg your pardon. So like Destiny where you're just dumping money into service games, Yeah, a Fortnite like like that, You're always dumping money into currencies and all this shit, like so they can keep rolling that same game for years and years and years, right, Okay, So I guess they canceled the last of US factions okay, which made a lot of PlayStation studios upset, causing of a lot of internal turmoil between that and the Games as a Service direction. Sony blamed it on Connie Booth and fired her, But it was I guess Jim Ryan, who's pushing it like down everyone's throats. Yes, the vast Yeah, like she likes yeah, like it sounds She's like, she's like creed from the office, got that lady that lady fired in the warehouse. Do you remember that? Yeah? I think so. But like what I want to know what you guys think is did everyone just team up on Jim Ryan and they've had enough and they fucking voted this guy out? Like how does this guy leave? How does he be there much longer? So, yeah, I think Kevin take that one. We we don't really from what we see it looks and I genuinely think he's actually retiring, right, I think Tiger going to say something else, Yeah, he's definitely retire. You retired. He's like, it's like recently recently retired physical mantle. He definitely pushed the he definitely pushed PlayStation to go into that live game as a service kind of route, and I think that's what kind of had that that backlash between him and what's his name though on that left as well that you just mentioned, see Seann Laydon. Yes, so that was the issue with Yeah, that was the issue with them. Connie Booth, I just recently saw that tweet, and I don't really know much about her, so it's kind of hard to kind of see what her role was played in Sony. But when it comes to Jim Ryan, I feel like I honestly, genuinely believe that he is just kind of he served his purpose, and I think he wanted to wait until PlayStation five was kind of solidified a little bit and kind of have some of these game as a service game games running in motion right because obviously they're being worked on right now. There's several games in production right now. And I think that was his kind of cue to be like, Okay, this is kind of set up. Now it's time for me to kind of just like step back and come tire. That's my opinion. I don't really know if he's any game imprint, yes, and I don't honestly I'm not really I don't like the direction that somebody's going with games as the service. I'm not really a big fan of it. But well, that was him. Apparently that's all him. I think it is too. I agree, but I kind of hope now that he's retiring they kind of switch things out. And again, at this point, these games are gonna ship no matter what. Either some of them are gonna get delayed or canceled some most of them, we're gonna probably get released, and they're gonna probably fail, honestly, but for the most part, these are gonna come out and then we'll see what the general Like, imagine he made Spider Man two right a gas, you know what I mean? Like yeah, no, Like, okay, let's get that. It is like like imagine that, I mean, think of the skins that you unlock in the game right as a progression goes on a paywall and you can get no, no, no, absolutely not. Wouldn't that be crazy? Like I just thought that it was nutsyeah, So like that would be brutal. Now that he's gone, and I'm assuming these people were trying to say something to him and that's how they got canned, you know, what I mean. And now he's like, Okay, well I'm done with this. Who's are What I want to know is are they going to go get back to these Horizon games, like make more original titles and stop with the with the sequels and the remakes and the remasters. You know, just give us some can bring us back, Get us some new series games that are kicking ass, you know what I mean. That's what I want to see new ips. Yes, I definitely have. As we saw with Spider Man that it sold was a two point five or twenty five, I don't number. But obviously their formula works. Like people want those action act first platy titles, right, they want that does sell, and they're they're the masters of it. So to them to just stop and just shift gears into games as a service like would be would be stupid. And then if you look at Nintendo, right, they don't put like this crunch on their employees. For the most part, they say, take your time, make the game good, make a Nintendo game. That's it. Just make it and the same ways like make the game make it good, make it the way you want. We don't care as long as it's received well and people love it. Here's the thing. I'm not a corporate like corporate apologist or anything, right, but like I understand their intentions of like we see the numbers that Fortnite does, we see the revenue that Fortnite gets, right, Yeah, yeah, I think I think John has to say He's making it very clear that he needs to say something. Nothing stop bouncing. I don't know. Yeah, I think it's just one. I was just gonna say, Spider Man two sold yeah, two point five million physical and digital in the first twenty four hours, and apparently that is the fastest selling game made by PlayStation woow. Honestly, a lot of it might have to do with it being a Marvel spider Man has all to keep that in mind. But going back to just Spider Man, the revenue that they see for game as a service titles, Like they know there's money there, right, So they're like, okay, and they've they've made they made it clear they're going to continue making Triple a budget first person or you know, kind of like a story driven titles like how Sony typically does. But on the flip side, they're also going to try to get into that game as a service route. My problem is it's kind of too late. I feel like you're you're kind of late on that kind of you know what if we're playing the percentages, like if we just throw out a bunch of these games of the service games, maybe if even if one of them, Yeah, but it takes time and money to make it. Take ten of them, fifteen you need and you need. Uh, well that's what they're doing. But that's probably the the idea. Like, imagine even one of those games gets as popular as like Fortnite or Apex, do you know what I mean? Yeah, then that's paid for all of them in like a couple of years. Yeah. I feel like Fortnite took a little bit to ramp up at first. Then I feel like Apex came and it blew up immediately as soon as and it could be all time. It could be like what's in the mark, like what other games are coming out at that time? Yeah, I don't really remember. Around the time and it came out, that was the first one playing it. I was the first adopter. And because they shadow dropped it, and I was like, I was gonna say they shadow dropped I was browsing. I was browsing the store, like an hour after they shadow dropped it and I was like, what the fuck is this free to play a downloadle Xbox? Like, oh fuck, was like, this is sick. And then I immediately texted Work because I knew he would love it, told Jonathan about it, and then where it hasn't sopp playing. It's the only game he fucking plays for the last ten what is it ten years? It's been out and you should see his control now, yeah, it's four years. But like, like I think that the market is so saturated with these already, Like the game has to be bonkers for people to like spend more than a footprinted on the other games. Oh yeah, like a base player base, so like dedicated player base. So the competitive they have competitive scene too, Like the competitive APIs apex is huge and it's sick. What's that? What's that game Bungie is making? Yeah? Yeahs Marathon. Yeah, they gotta hype, they gotta make the hype. They gotta bring the hype. I mean it's got to try it. Oh yeah, for sure. I mean that would probably be the closest thing I can see them kind of getting that because it's got the name behind it, right, the name behind it has budget, you know, so I can. I can definitely see that. But everything else that they they're they're kind of trying to push into like like kind of shoving our face. I feel like it's just way too late. And again, like you guys said, it's saturated as hell right now, so for them to really get a good hitter, it's gonna be tough. But I understand their point. It's like, listen, guys, like we're these Triple A titles that we make that everyone loves. They're expensive to make. It costs three hundred million dollars to make. Yeah, and although they sell like crazy, there's no like there's a cap at some point, right, they're not making a God of War. I'm sure it isn't making that much or maybe I don't know, but there's not that like yeah, there's not that like what sustained sustained income, Yes, exactly, and that's what they profits. Yes, yes, that's true. Yeah, it's all about the bottom line, that's all. I don't know. I think that I think that the Sony fan base is really sucking on the teats of the Triple A, like the big sequels like you like, for instance, for instance, like Ghosts of Sushima too. Let's say, right, they put out this massive I P that was like fucking bomb to me. That was very close to ten ten guys by the way, no game, so you know, but you know what might be the perfect game Alien Isolation. No, you just would never know because you put two hours. I will say Ghost of Sushima had an amazing intro. Yeah, that was nuts. That was the whole game would just blew my mind. And maybe the d l C was incredible, just as I loved it, I think because it was free get it going broo. But anyway, like these ips that come out, like the fan base persny are gonna want to see just more of that. I don't know. I don't know how successful the whole you know games you call them those like pay to play kind of yeah, what they called service games. I don't know, man. I was just like I just say like that if they their strengths are these massive games. Even though, like Nathaniel said, I think you said something about sequels and prequels and whatever. Sure, but when it's for a new IP that came out like Ghosts, it's like you better you bet your fucking sweet candy ass. I'm playing yeah one or two? All right? Like three is cut is? Yeah? You can there's a limit, sure, right, there's a limit. I feel like Sony wants their cake. You don't want to eat their cake or wants their what's the same. He wants to eat their cake and wants their cake. I don't know. They want cake. They want their cake and want it to They just want to eat cakes. I want to eat. But Nintendo they do the whole you know, they do their games. They come out there their single player games or whatever, and they make vigilia dollars. They don't even care about the Internet. Like they're just like Internet and like they're fine life service. What's that? They don't care. Sony wants to do the the single player and they also want that piece of the pie. They're just not happy with just the single player games that like Nintendo sticks to. They also want to do live service. Well, Xbox who do it, and all these their game publishers can do. We can do it too. Because they see how much money calling and they're fucking jealous. Now Microsoft has Call of Duty. Oh they need it, yep, yep. Call of Duty literally has well who did they have in there? They have fucking Lilith from the character as a skin in war Zone right now, man like Nicki minaj in there and nick just like Snipto. People have to be buying this ship if they keep doing it and not fixing the game because it sucks and people are like leaving. It's like, wow, we better make more skins so people can buy them. And because people are leaving, we need to offset the cost. Like it's so dumb, nay question for you, do you think Jim Ryan's left or retired whatever due to the whole acquisition and him not like not stopping it not stopping it And yeah, maybe, yeah, possibly because now you got me, you got me thinking a little bit. I thought, Hey, this guy, he did his part. He's retiring. He did you know he did his thirty years respect. The timing is not it's a little suspicions, very suspicious. Maybe they're like, you better stop. This acquisition is completely dead and your d say that. I said, I said that on the last episode. For a couple of episodes, I was like, yeah, he just failed, so he's sucking out. Jack Ryan is okay, Jack Bryan, He's just some Tom Clancy. He's a suit he's a suit. All right? All right, are we here done? What are we going to go into today's topic? Yeah, I'm having a blast man. We could keep going. I could go forever, baby, that is true. That is true. You know what. But we'll throw it over there now and we'll just keep talking and we'll just change the direction a little bit to this game that we played together. All right, today's topic is we played back four Blood? Now the number four screen right now, I don't know where one, one, three, I don't know where one through the movie troll to that was by. This is the fourth Left for Dead? What is it? This is the fourth left? Yes, it's a like a spiritual successor? Is what they call the Left for Dead? Four dead? Left four right? Actually the first one? Is that what it's called Back for Blood? But I don't I don't know. I don't know. All very good questions. I'm gonna read it. Maybe maybe we should know this. I think it's just a new title and they kind of copied it from Left four Dead because they had the zombie one. Probably costs more money to spell at f o R as well. It'd be a little cheaper to just use a four. Maybe I don't. Okay, there is I got it, I got the Wikipedia. Here we go. The game I'm considered to be a spiritual successor to the Left four Dead series. That's we literally just said, that's okay, okay. Well, so we played. We were able to get on an online match against each other because we had you have groups of four, yeah, like many games, But how many did we have? We had? We have five? Do not have someone else? What bothers me is you can't find a freaking game now, well, there's five players, you know, it's just an awkward number. It's an awkward played freaking Halo. We could have played Hailo Infanty. I wanted to speak to your game for too much. You're asking for too much. No, try not eat cake and eat it too or out. I want to want and want to take your cake. I'm gonna eat your corn. What I don't understand is how they don't have like a Hord mode, just a Hord mode with like eight players. Two to eight players. Yeah, you know that'd be crazy counter strike When we put exactly, yes, exactly, that's what I was thinking, Why can't you do that? And then we were actually thinking of playing Seven Days Left to Die. We downloaded that one first, you downloaded that one? Sorry, everybody was on the same page except you. Is the game we played? Right, We're like, no game and that was on there. He's the only player online. But that one would have been cool. But it's not cross platform? Yes, Like, how do you you don't have cross platforms? Twenty twenty three, twenty twenty three, baby, ye, A lot of the games don't. Man, a lot of them. They didn't even have cross platform between the game Pass version and the Steam version. They didn't even have cross platform. Was the game? What was the game that we tried to play that I was it Payday noy it works? No, it was it was this one, the Seven Days to Die. But you're like, oh, it doesn't cross platform between game Pass and Xbox. It says it says Xbox cross platform, so you can only play with gross. I think they mean that cross gen bullshit. You know. Yeah, yeah, but to me that doesn't mean anything. It should They just put that on there to deceive you so you'll download it. That's all. Yeah, exactly exactly. Click bait. A little more about the game. It's a four before I guess it's a shooter it's a first person shooter survival, yeah, survival game that you're pitted against each other. One we plays against. Yeah, the game mode we played, which was called PvP I think it was, yes, Yes, Warm swarm, I was gonna say swarm, And one team gets to be the zombies the monsters, and the other team gets to be the humans and the humans. You can create your loadouts by choosing five cards out of twenty five in your deck. It's like you have a card like deck of cards that's your like modifiers for the game. So it'll give you five random ones at the beginning, and you choose which ones you want five times to build your load out and that this can be like quicker aim down site or higher damage with certain kind of guns, that kind of thing. So it's it's a cool little modifier thing that I thought was pretty cool actually, and because I actually got to scroll through all the abilities and I was like, oh, that could be good. That could be good. Did you guys did you guys just select like like the base pack, I made a custom one? Think, oh you made a customer. Yeah, I picked every single one. Oh really, Yeah, I just picked a bomber pack or whatever. Yeah, there's like a pre set class, I guess, and then you can kind of take that deck and modify yourself. So I was was I was modified. Okay, maybe that's why I was getting owned because we had it's just me and yeah, we're severely so. But what we had to do to get into the same game is we had to queue up at the same time. We had two separate two separate parties and uh like a three v two and we queued at the same time, and we somehow first try got into the same game against each other. No, there must not be that. No. Remember, remember we had I had a party. I was a party leader, and Jonathan was a party leader. Me and Rob were on in my team, and then Rob, Kelvin Daniel were in Jonathan's party, and they and you joined my private server with that code. Yes, and then it put you on one your team on one side, and it put me and Rob on the other side. But there was no bots or anything. I thought that was yeah, I thought it would feel was bots. That was before. Right, game is very easy to get into, guys, just very Yeah. We tried playing three B two at first, but then we queued up into a public match. Yeah, and we did. Like I said, we queued at the same time. Yeah, and we somehow just kind of never happened the game. Yeah, I don't. It must be because there's barely people playing this game. So this game came out in twenty twenty one October, like seventh or something like that, so it's a few years old. Really. I thought I was older than that. I don't know. I think it was twenty twenty one last time I checked, but I could be wrong. A couple of years. Like this game looked like But this game, I thought it. I thought it felt pretty good as a as a shooter, yeah, I felt pretty good. Like the guns and the movement was cool. Yeah, the right stick movement was nice. I did like that. I did like that. Yeah, it felt good. It felt good as a shooter. As the zombies, it was a bit weird because depending on which one you are punky. But yeah, yeah, it was. Well, that's it must be. It must be meant to be like that. But I don't know, because there was weird strong they are strong. It was weird though, because each zombie kind of looked like the big Crusher guys on they're the same model, but they had different clubs, clubs, so I kept getting confused on which one. I kept joicing the grabby boy, ye tall Man, the slender Man, and then the super squishy ones that were just like supposed to stand back and spit acid or they sucked once and it was just like annutes and they didn't even do that much damage. It's not even like they were like really high damaged either. It's like you do okay damage and then you fly wish right. I did not even want to as one of those once. I was like, no, I will play as a tall a tall boy. IM like, these things must be sick if I if I have good aim, I could like snipe them because you you you stand super far away and ship. I was like, this could be really good and they suck like a headgshot will do six damage. I was like, six dama, that's all. That's all. It was cool that you could pin people to the wall with their attacks when you shot them. That was kind of cool. I thought, Oh, I didn't know that that is a neat little physics mechanic with which one it was for the little shooter boys. There was the three of the shooter boys. I think one of them you could pin them to the to the must have tried that one. Yeah, the acid spitter guy tall boy is a smart boy. Okay, well were you playing boys smash Boy? Yeah it was cool, yeah, but I mean it was it was pretty cool, but it felt good. The movement for them felt very slow though, I don't know if it was, but I'm like doing that because they hit so hard. They can't did they have hard? Did they hit hard? I feel like they hit like that. Oh yeah, because the guy just grabbed you and he'd like hold you up. Yeah. Yeah, Like when I was smashing the thing, he was trying to run away like a giant chunk of his life. But like with the little spitty boys, just like six damage does terrible and then they turn around and fucking shoot me, like with a pistol or whatever. I'm like dead. Yeah, one shot. Like they were slow, you know what? Actually, as to what kelv was saying, like when I was playing with, I think I there's two there's three types of tall boys, and I played as too. I don't remember there's like a I don't remember the names of them now. One of them can like use the sprintability rather often. It was like a tall boy Snitcher kind of remember, but it was like the first one I ever played. But there was another one that was called like a dread or uh address, but it was like almost the heavier version of the other one. So but no, they definitely were slow, but I found that I still had a decent time doing a lot of damage to everyone and like catching up to people and using the sprintability and getting close and just just letting them have it with the club. So I wasn't having like a problem where I was like, oh fuck, I rented this car again, or I ran it this corner of the building or something. I wasn't really having that issue myself, So I thought it was still very manageable despite the big dudes because they were so slight. I played the fat one Mega dudes. Yeah, the short fat one, Yeah, I don't. I don't think. I played the exploder guy. I played the Puke. There was another one that was short guy. I ended up ending with the puke and guys just stand back and the like tools of puke. It was kind of hard to in the one map. The one map, the Puker definitely had a It was just that one little house, the little house just all over on the second level there. I was just down there like offo map for the monsters. That was very hard. Okay, well, so do you think it was easier to win as survivors or as zombies? Mm hmm, you guys definitely survivors, Yeah you think so? Come on, like survivors, you had you had the gun, and I think you even had the power to like the guns. Did he says, I don't know. It's it was hard to decide though, because we I mean again we we have were kind of biased because we had three against too, so it was hard for us to be like, but I think we did kill them. I feel like because of the mobility of the big monsters, it was definitely hard to get them just done with over in the round, like just fucking especially especially when we did that last game with like multiple people. That was hard monsters. So I think I would have to put my chip down for playing with the survivors would be a bit easier to win because you're just a lot. It's easier to move, it's easier to shoot your weapons, it's easier to use your grenades and molotons or whatever, and you're like not as squishy as you think. You would be like you're yeah, that's a human head. Yeah, and then you can revive each other definitely more help. Yeah, that was right, right, binger boy, because whenever me and rob say we got tall boy, it was a little short bitch boy, Me and Robber on the team with those random random guys, and like, as a human, you just fucking run over and res the dude and the monsters have to like run across the map, always resing over there. You're like, you know what, I really kid, Like, you can't you can't get over there unless you're unless you're like the fore armed little guy. But once you're over there, you're dead in like two seconds, you know what I mean. Like it's kind of stupid. So I was just like projectile puking and trying to stop the fountain spew it up. But I will say that anyone listening definitely play as I don't know if it was Hoffman specific, the the pedophile looking guy, the old guy file. I was a metal file, but I chose medic for him, and it like I came in clutch with the faster man, Like that is a gaming changer, Like you have to have somebody on your team running around that fucking class because I think calv died. I don't know, a few times. I think it was mostly I didn't. I think it maybe res Jonathan once, but I remember there's these moments where like it was dire moments I was standing in puke. Yeah yeah, but it's fifty percent revived time like speed increasing. That's crazy, that's insane, yeaheah, you have like a twenty second timer to respond. Yeah, respond. I think the respond the monsters should be a little shorter, and it would, it would, It would make it a little more balanced, I guess. Or yeah, even if it was like so we were two v three if they knew it was only two people versus three, make the Horde stronger, yeah, or faster or let us res faster if it's like two v three you know what I mean, Like, you know, it feels my my you know who's so annoying to me as a monster was when you would respond to be like you got to pick somewhere to hide with a kid? My God, drove me nuts. That's like fucking crazy. I was like, oh, I'm in the perfect spot. I'm in the perfect spot, and then I read it I'm just about to annihilate you. It's like, no, find some cover and revive, and then you have to run like yeah yards to get into the fucking where all the action is. And it's like okay, so that's gonna wait twenty seconds. They could have made a spot. I gotta I gotta spawn in a little corner here after waiting. You're a massive monster? How are you hiding? Yeah? You know, Yeah, I don't understand that. I would love to know. I would love to be in that like change that. Yeah, I would love to be in that meeting and whoever made that decision and be like, yeah, that's a good idea, let's do that. Let's do it. Why their monsters are scary, they're supposed to be like in a corner, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know. The monster spawned in the closet, right, it's the same thing. Wonder that's like, maybe they nerve the monsters. Maybe maybe, Yes, that they've been making over the last two years, that's fair, that's fair. Oh that's true. We haven't we Maybe they were too strong and they made that stuff worse. I don't know, but I think they maybe did it a little too much, if that's true, or they could have allowed us to add bots, like even allow us to add bots in our games. Yeah, thoughts would be cool. Just Ai to take some damage, you know, just a soak an ai dummy that pounds the ground and soaks a little bit of damage, just a little bit. Now, I've never played Left for Dead. I don't know if you if you boys have, but I have. Yeah, I used to play a lot. What's is quality wise is it is Back for Blood similar to to Left for Dead. I feel like I heard a lot of talks when it came to Left for Dead, but nothing for Back for Blood. I can tell you that from what I remember, this was a long time ago. This was what are we twenty twenty three? This was like almost fifteen years ago. Now, this was like the mid mid two thousands, like late to late aughts. I was playing it. It's like high school two thousand and eight, tw thousand and nine. And uh I I know that from my memory. You don't get to play as zombies or monsters, just survivals. Frankly, I think I remember I remember liking Left four Dead like more than the Back for Bud concept. But it is cool how they added that extra difference where Okay, you can at least be monsters now, and you can and you can play against your friends as opposed to just playing with your friends and surviving together, which wasn't itself a cool element because like there's that camaraderie of surviving, like oh my god, and like you're fighting these waves of fucking things. That was loud. Yeah, exactly right. I thought that they would have a Horde mode that you could have five players in, and then these are the same developers that created this game, so that's yeah, that me going jumping into this game. I'm like, oh cool, we're gonna get all the boys in. We're gonna try to survive in this Like that would have been fun. I would have that was in the case. So I was, But I don't know. Maybe that was the niche or that was the pocket that Back for Blood sets in right, actually sick, But I think I don't know. I remember. I think I just remember liking Left for Dead more. We played used to play one and two on Steam and it was great. I don't know. I had to be fair though, I just haven't played enough Back for Blood to be like for a fair comparison, you know what I mean. I think. Uh, I think I had more fun playing Dead by Daylight. Yeah, oh yeah, that was fun, Like Dead by Daylight is hilarious to play. Yeah, the way we played it, we played is that what is hide and seek? Yeah, it's like yeahs like Killer, I think that'd be fun. It is so funny because we down had we had a voice changer. Yeah, we had one person play so we couldn't hear him, but we also recorded his audio and we made a video of it. It's very funny. Oh yeah, it's far and the fans running around as the Killer, but he's just talking to himself because we can't get just like he was saying, it's so stupid. And then I would cut. I cut all the videos together of us. That's like our perspective and his perspective. It was very funny. But yeah, we had a blast playing that. Last Halloween. Was that that was the last so hard for the survivors. It's hard as wait as the monster because the kill was it harder for the monster. Oh yeah, you are a hard time as the killer. It was because it was because we didn't learn about the whole power ups and the cards and the rings that you have as the Survivors, So we were playing naked Survivors against the one monster or the one horror guy. We didn't have much on the loft. Yeah, right, right, right right then it was it was because he's like one hit and your fucking survivors did and you're there trying to like fix the generator. Yeah, it was funny, like you carry him away and you're like you have to like vibrate and like wiggle and you get loose buck. It is very funny. Robin cal did you guys play Dead by Daylight? Yes, okay, I can't remember if I did. Is that the one I was playing packs? No, we played with a bunch of our friends, like our friend piece really into that game. But oh okay, yeah we've definitely ran around and yeah we've dabbled with it. Yeah. Yeah, Nicholas Cages as one of the er Yes, he just came out with that. I saw that Survivor Survivor. Yeah, I don't think he'd be the monster Dracula, Yeah, Dracula from from Renfield. I'm trying to fix this generator. But I don't know. I was kind of expecting Back for Blood to be similar, but I just didn't quite know yet that it was sort of the quote unquote spiritual successor of Left for Dead, So I was I was under the wrong impression, I think. But yeah, like I think it would be fun to just play a little bit more and see what else the game kind of has to offer, because I was kind of because you have to remember, there's also those you know, the car, the perks, and just different modes too, so there might be more to it. I mean, we only played the the uh Swarm, the por Swarm, yeah, because we we could only play that one with the amount of players that we had, right, Yeah, So it depends on what what kind of party you got going. I guess I think we just made a game out of all of our ramblings here. We gave a really good idea for a game. You know what, Yeah, two to twenty players against hordes of hordes and hordes and hordes of fucking zombies. You had twenty people and it wouldn't be able to run and be like, I don't like to make it, make it shitty graphics. I don't care like a game like that, what is it seven It's not seven days. There's a bunch of games like that, Like Daisy is and Daisy like that. No, No, Daisy is PV. Seven Days to Die might be like that, but it's not cross platform, so I don't even want to talk about it. Okay, all right, okay, Seven Days to Die is because Seven Days to Die is you scrounge around, you build a forked, you fortify your fork, and then you have to survive the night, all right, and then the zombies and the monsters will keep attacking your house until the sun comes up, and then you have to Then you have to fix your house, go out scavenge, and if there's like other players on the server, you might have to fight them, you know really yeah, and they're like, yeah, let's play that. That's not fun. The thing, we'd all have to get it for Steam, we'll buy it, or we'd all have to get it for PlayStation, you know, like, okay, does it have a PC here? Obviously Daniel doesn't have it. I have my little l You guys have to PlayStation. You guys have PlayStations, right, yeah, X boxes. Daniel's got the X He's got the laptop, which could play it because it's an old game, but like he can't play it on a thirteen inch screen, can him on Xbox play with us on PC game Pass. No, why it's the same company. What do you mean that's the problem is that's why we didn't play this game box cross platform. Like I said, it plays on xboxes and it's crazy from to other xboxes. Yeah, cross We all have PlayStations here, don't we, I think? So? Yeah, yeah, we all have to get PlayStation we could play. That's what I saw. I didn't want to get everyone buying a twenty five dollars game. You know what I mean? Much if we if we all play and we have fun, twenty five bucks, good time. You know, it's just just saying having a good time, twenty five bucks. Let's see how much it is? Yeah, yeah for sure. Oh it just went on sale. How much? Seven dollars US? Good night? Okay, so like a hundred bucks Canadian now thirty dollars thirty dollars American was the original price which I saw it at nothing. It's because it's Halloween, so yeah, exact. Yeah, thanks a lot, guys. Where was this wow sale? I'll buy it right now, fuckers. Yeah yeah, what spider Man, I'll uh, I'll download it. Okay, Oh, let's have a drive. Is full o. Man, my game drive is completely full, so I'll deal with that later. I guess, yeah, you got You don't have a terribyte. How would I have a full? Yeah? I have a fucking terribyte. It's full of like nobs I've got. Just let me know and I'll get it to and just games are huge. Send a message in the discord and we can try it out. Yeah, man, cool, Well I would have liked that one versus Back for Blood. Wow, we had to make a decision. We made a decision. We had fun for back, we definitely had fun playing fun. Sure it was fun. I feel like I feel like raw. You might have been. Now maybe you can comment on this, but you might have it sounded like you might have been getting a bit stressed out at one point. Okay, I don't. Yeah, obviously I'm not gonna like th under the bus or whatever, but I wonder. I don't I think that there was a time where you might have found a challenging because I remember you've been like, oh fuck man, and you were like you're getting riled up. Do you remember what that was about? It was probably because again the respawning. Yeah, I cursed every single time they told me I couldn't respond to her in place. Yeah, okay, okay, gotcha. Yeah, then you spend after you spend twenty seconds of waiting to respond, Yeah, die after like five seconds later, spend ten seconds looking for a place to respawn if you're not in the quick spot. Yeah. I definitely think the monsters were just way more frustrating to play as just because of that respawning mechanic. And then like if you got someone down, you were like, yo, we got to kill this person because he's gonna get picked up, and then they would just get picked up and then they're just like full healthy gain. You're like, well, yeah, that sucks all right. So yes, so did you notice or did we notice at all if we were going to res was there some kind of indication that we shouldn't be resing there? And like the game could tell us, you know, get into hiding before you res right, because well that's I thought, that's just common sense. No, because I from what I can remember, what are you talking about? Well, from what I can remember, the only warning to get behind something was when the res timer was up? Do you remember? No? I don't remember. Well I thought something too, so like they could have told us, like, you know, get behind something. You have twenty seconds to get behind something, you know, and then a little and then a little green check mark saying you're okay to spawn while we're counting down by Ye, that would have been nice. Yeah. Also when the c when you were a human being revived, No, no humans, Why isn't there something that that is what I thought that I didn't say anything like behind something before I'm reviving. I'm like, oh boy, that's common sense. Yeah, but you also have no choice get the person down monsters, the person gets down whenever. That's what Rob was talking about, was the monsters in the in the spawning ship. Okay, you said something about the circle getting smaller. Yeah, as a survivors, remember the circle would get smaller. Yeah, Like you wouldn't know when it was getting smaller, like you would have to look, but it would just it would just happen. You're like, okay, next to you, there's no like actual HUD indicator, there'sthing that shows you that like this. Ye, I don't know, I didn't see it, but maybe I'm just dumb and I was just I think there might have been like a voice, maybe like a like a you know, voice of God. I don't think so. I don't remember anything being I remember being like, oh fuck, there's a yellow wall next to me, like just get away, no timer or anything. I don't ever thinking, so we gotta play again, check it out. Very new to this game and trying to figure things out. Could just be from like a new perspective for Blood you know, yeah, yes, it needs some more experience. So like you do not have a second to look around for the fucking yellow circle closing, and like you got all these hordes coming at you, got giant tall boys their clubs coming after you, Like you're not gonna where's that circle? You know what I mean? It gives that Battle Royale. That's because you're not used to playing Battle Royal. That's true. You don't doubt that you don't have that in the back of your mind, that the peripheral awareness. Usually it's it's announced when it closes in a Battle Royale. And the monsters couldn't go into the into the wall to kill you guys. I would have liked that too, what I mean, oh, like into the into the poison you did it just give you a little bit of damage, Like didn't kill you right away? Did it? Oh? It gave some pretty good damage whenever either, But the moors couldn't go into the into the remember because it could we respected the game. No, I don't. I don't think we could respond to or like we couldn't go in there for a very long time. Just crush us. Like the monsters, how are they? How are they getting hurt by this poison? Yeah? Right? Like they they? Yeah, how are they getting hurt by? It's not out of ten game? I think, you know, a perfect game. And what would you give it out of your two hour, out of our two hour playtime? What would you give I would probably out of ten, I would probably give like a seven. What really? Yeah, on that one, I'm giving it like a fucking five. Yeah, I'd say four or five? Yeah, man, given a five. It wasn't like but it was. It was still like enjoyable. So yeah, it was enjoyable. And I think that's what kep me going multiplayer. If I was playing by myself, it would probably be a little bit less. But I think seventh true we spot there. As someone who plays a lot of games, it felt very good. I was impressed. I was impressed. But as the as the zombies, you know, much different and not good. Yeah, you Dan, what are you giving it? I don't know, man, I think I'm kind of somewhere between. I would say fun, Rob, Nathaniel and Kelv Like I I think that, like, if I'm gonna give it a number, it would probably be somewhere around a six. You know. It's a fun concept. And I think because they knew that. I think they knew that the party that the game was kind of a party type game where you know, you play with your friends, you have some fun. Yeah, get eight of your friends together and fill two teams, you know, like when the fuck is that ever gonna happen? Yeah, we don't have I don't know. I don't know, but I would say definitely like a max of seven for sure, but i'd say maybe a six and a half players together. Yeah, a huge idea. And back for Blood, why didn't they make a control game where the survival the survivors are cooking up a vaccine, you know, and they have to check the lab and there's a fucking horde coming in. Oh my goodness, so crazy. And then once you're done creating this piece of the recipe or the vaccine, you got to head down the street to the and do another one. Yeah, and do another one. You know, maybe what am I sitting here for? Come on, man, make video games. I just want to let you guys know. I just looked up the scores for Battle Blood. Dude, I just did the same thing I was waiting for. It's almost like we do a podcast. What do you mean the scores like the old like the medical reviews. Yeah, so I picked up two different game Spot and IG just because they're the two biggest. Game Spot gave it a seven out of ten good and I didn't give it eight out of ten. And Meta Critic, which is what I pulled up. It's a general general scores is seventy seven. The usual scores four point nine out of ten. Yeah, I'm assuming it's out of ten because that's Yike's four point nine out of one hundred. Yeah. Damn. So it's let's say we got we're on the we were on the close to the game critics. Here, critics, that's what we're doing here, we are we're giving reviews. The Nasty Night's gonna have Eliza p review. Oh yes, I can't wait for reviewing Eliza Pucci. His next his next video game character. Yeah, Pisani chest Passani's white return, My goodness, falters Gate shall Yeah, we can wrap up there. So I guess let's get them to recommend. Mm hmm, we recommend this game? Are we doing a recommend or I'd say, I'd say recommend if you can get at least eight people want you can wrap up your friends six, six or eight. You gotta have an even number at least. Yeah. No way do you play this by yourself. But I wouldn't even play it with like two v two. I wouldn't even do that. No, no, because if you're gonna have four players, then you're gonna play on one side. Can you even play Yeah, I think you can just play on one party up in the public match. So yeah, but who's playing this fucking game? No money? Nobody? I mean saying this game. The two people that were playing. I wouldn't recommend this game. I think I had a good time because I was playing a few boys. But I mean if I was just no offense, if I was just playing with you, I think we would have a terrible time. I'm just saying general, I don't think you would have a good time playing this game. I think the friends that you kind of like bring into this game make it fun. But even then we had our issues, like we just discussed, so I just feel like it's sure, it's not it's not it. Yeah, I would agree, like unless you just got your friends with your whatever, if you're look like we've been looking for things to play, like me and my buddies because we just play Rocket League and we used to play war Zone. The Warzone fucking sucks now. Rocket League is so fun though. That's a game you just pick up whenever. It doesn't matter when it is series crazy people rocket League. They do some crazy tricks, but it's fun, like regardless of what. Play against each other too though in like two v two series is and it gets pretty heated. But but yeah, we've been just from doing that. But after like war Zone was so cool when it came out, so we were looking for a game like that. So this might be like something like that, but you would have to have like like a whole group of for it. It would be a good land party game. Yeah I can do that. Yeah, Land parties, Yeah, I can do that. Not that they familiar, but I used to you guys used to host land parties. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, into a couple a lot of World of Warcrafts and Final Fantasy fourteen. Yep, yep. Well, uh, Rob Kelp, thank you for coming on. Don't you tell people a little bit about you and your show and where they can find you and your show. Uh yeah, we're the Gaming Dual podcast. We talk about the latest gaming news. You guys can definitely find us on any podcast service. You can find us on YouTube, you can find us on our website, the Gaming duopod dot com. Check us out. We do a couple of cool stuff. We talk about the gaming news, obviously, but we also do some cool stuff on YouTube. We do. We just did a recent video where we ranked the Xbox Series x X controllers. Yes, so that was pretty fun to do. We do a couple of, you know, fun little videos like that. So definitely check us out, and thank you guys for having us on. Like, you guys are awesome. We we've been friends for quite some time now and just being on your show, like it's just fun. Like you guys are great, So thank you. Friendships built through gaming's absolute tell us about the merch, guys, you guys got merch here? Yeah, we do we do have some merch on that's your sweater game, so it's a nice little emblem there. A couple couple of things here. We are going to have some changes. I don't know how you guys feel about this. I guess we'll get your opinion on this now a little you're opening shopping Canada so I can actually or get it to my house. Yeah, we got franchise news. We're we're thinking about bringing back the live shows on YouTube. I think they were good. They were good. That's like you can't really control what people say, though you might have to have some kind of moderator or something like that, right, A little a little different. That was the one thing that was like kind of annoying is like people would just screen profanities on there and like titties or something and just like come on, yeah, come on, I get it. That's always something. But did you not edit it before you posted it? No, that's live, yeah, but it'll stay under your like live, but did you edit the audio before you met you know? Which was what? So that's one of the things that we're going to be working on where we're going to have that live feature there. But then we're also going to continue doing what we do now where we kind of have our our dedicated edited video. Yeah, kind of post that as well. Yeah, yeah, that's the feature. So well, it was it was a great time popping in when we could. It was fun. We were thinking about doing a live episode as well. Eventually I'll be there, but I'll just probably like I would edit it in yeah for the audio listeners. Well even I'll do a new video of it too, because like it goes in a different section of your YouTube. It's like live yea, so it doesn't show up under your videos where all of our other stuff is. So I would just re edit it and upload it as separate pace. Okay, cool, we'll see. Well, thanks and uh, I think that's it for this week's episode. Thanks everyone for tuning in. Give us a rating and review. I think on Spotify we got some reviews up there. We're getting closed. Let's see got that thirty I think you got like thirty reviews or something. 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