The 3DO Experience - Episode 25: Ballz: The Directors Cut: Its Ballz But Better?

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[00:00:30] Hello everybody and welcome back to the 3DO Experience, the 3DO Retrospective podcast where we talk about the 3DO company, the console and everything in between. I'm Bill and this is Thrak, how you do it Thrak?

[00:00:51] I'm sick for those who don't know. For the last few days I've been fighting a pretty nasty cold. I would say I'm doing better than I have been, but it's still coming and going.

[00:01:05] I don't think it's COVID. It's probably not. I didn't get a test at this point. There's no real reason for it, but you know, I'm taking the meds and doing what I can. I'm hanging in there. How are you, Billy Boy?

[00:01:22] I'm doing all right. One of those days at work where I was just standing all day and it's just like like the hell out of me. You couldn't just sit down.

[00:01:31] Not really. There's chairs I could pull up and I was on a lathe and sitting down to Billy, it's just kind of weird. It doesn't feel right. Yeah, it's you. Yeah, it was one of those though and then the big wigs from California were in the building today.

[00:01:47] We all had to pretend that the place was organized for a day. Are they bald? Where are they wearing wigs? That's some of them are. Okay. Were they where they big? Like the wigs for they wearing? Were they black or they just little little things? You know?

[00:02:07] They were big people. Not like. Oh, no. No, they were more in the tall lake. Yeah. That's a big question. Well, because then I was going to use the Scott Steiner reference back in TNA when he was talking about some OGO.

[00:02:21] And he would just go, he's f***ing you know, which is always funny to me. Yeah. But in my for some reason in my second state, I decided to start playing a bunch of NES games.

[00:02:35] Like I'm still working through Lekodragon, but I hit chapter five for our got sick and I just really haven't had the mental fortitude to tackle that game. So, and I saw if you know Jeff Gertzmann, you know he is.

[00:02:52] He has a little running series on his little show podcast thing where he's scientifically ranking all of the NES catalog. But he's just kind of doing random games here and there kind of thing. It's interesting to see and I kind of got me rethinking about the NES.

[00:03:09] So, I've been playing playing those some of them. Some games I grew up with, some that I discovered more recently and I've let's see. I beat Kung Fu for the first time, which is fun game for what it is.

[00:03:24] I beat Zelda 1 for the first time, which is hold up surprisingly. There's a really cool hidden gem on an SO called the vice project, Doom. It's kind of like an engine guide in cross like spy hunter thing or whatever which is pretty solid.

[00:03:42] I can still do wears wall dough in like five minutes or less than that game sucks, but I'm really good at it. Yeah. I grew up with that game. I also had the Ghostbusters NES game. Oh, the wonderful title screen. Grr, fresh, fresh, fresh. Yeah, that game sucks.

[00:04:02] Yeah, it's also had Home Alone 2 lost in New York. You know, that game sucks. Geez, that's, why did I prefer Sega as a kid? I had all these shitty games, man. Well, I had Mario and Tech Mobile, but I gave my have been.

[00:04:18] I've actually put quite a bit of time on is a game I had as a kid, but it used to scare me. And I kind of get why. If you ever heard of a game called the Adventures of a Rad Gravity, I have not.

[00:04:31] It is a strange little, but when you look up the cover, just let me know because it's a weird one. Adventures of a Radcraft. Oh, yeah. That is an 80s name. That's a cover, all right? Yeah. Yeah. As a kid, I was like, why is it like that?

[00:04:53] And then you pop the game in and just the opening bits of it just kind of freaked me out. Okay. What am I looking at? You're looking at like a short king with a giga Chad Shen, like kind of buck teeth and like the Elvis

[00:05:12] Pearl and he's like a, like a space mercenary or something. I don't know. I think he's saying he's a bounty hunter. And you're just traveling the galaxy going to planets to fuck shit up and your best friend is a robot that's just an eye.

[00:05:30] In fact, if you want to in fact, after you do the first area, some, I guess pirates and like an ice cream van steal your robot friend. So you go save them and then from being put on like a conveyor belt where they have these

[00:05:43] little globs of green turned into these like weird flying creatures that try to grab you on your head. And the only way the kill them is to smash them up against a conveyor belt, it's a very weird game. But fuck me if it's not actually kind of good.

[00:05:59] Like it, it's made by the people who made earthworm gym. Oh, it's shiny. Well, interplay. Okay. Yeah, it was like interplay and shiny intertamin. I believe we're the two companies that made her out. Okay. Okay. But like it said, interplay on there.

[00:06:18] And I'm like, yeah, this, this feels like an interplay game where it's kind of weird and almost feels half unfinished. But, but it's good. You know, it's not terrible. I'm actually kind of halfway through it. So I might just end up finishing it up.

[00:06:34] So yeah, that's been my gaming for some reason doing what you ate it. Well, I'm trying to recover from this horrific cold. Yeah, aside from the game we're going to be talking about today, the only game I've been playing

[00:06:48] recently is I was playing a game called Rocket Robot on Wheels. You're your favorite. Well, spoiler warning, I may have appeared on an in 64th themed podcast recently. I'm talking about it.

[00:07:04] So I'll leave my thoughts for when that comes out, but it still holds up and I enjoyed it very much. Shocker, a game he likes, he still likes. I do enjoy me some soccer punch productions games.

[00:07:19] So I've been meaning to play that game because I have heard good things about it, especially from you. I just haven't gotten around to it. I'll say, when you play it, you'll notice a lot of things that will immediately remind

[00:07:34] you of Sly Cooper and like infamous in a lot of ways. Okay. It's got that sucker punch feel to it. That's what I like. I like a sucker feel. Yeah, but other than that, I've been haven't really been doing all the gaming.

[00:07:50] I'm reading the Pokemon Adventures Monger right now for a future geek ad at the comic comic book, I've been reading some of that. I still can't believe that Monger actually got made sometimes. Yeah, I'm not. It makes money.

[00:08:07] It does, but there's some like really dark shit in there that I'm surprised and Nintendo, let's have them. They probably view it as like, the manga is not. That may, manga is not that mainstream of the thing. So they can kind of get away with it.

[00:08:23] you're like what do you see their bones and guts and gore it's not graphic but it's you still see the like in half in the back of your like oh you're loaded in the Pokemon universe do people eat Pokemon it's never been

[00:08:40] explained so so that's not a canon thing like people don't like fry up like goldies and have like a fish fry you know it's never been explained I don't think the manga is touched on that so they're all just vegans maybe

[00:09:03] or they're secretly eating milk tanks they just don't tell anybody yeah lovely yeah the other not though not a whole lot I've actually been on like a weird like metallic of being slightly why but I've been listening to

[00:09:20] a lot of yes nice I got up I was listening to the albums in order and I got through like the cliff out the cliff out albums and then I got to a injustice sprawl and I started listening I'm like I immediately stopped him like

[00:09:33] nope nope so I put it up YouTube and found the injustice for Jets in version like this is the only way I can listen to this album now so I love it's just sprawl it's my favorite album there's probably my favorite metal

[00:09:46] albums of all time maybe one my favorite albums of all time but hearing it with base it's very much a to you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube you know yeah you can't go back because it just sounds so much better you know it

[00:10:05] it's prime example of how important the base guitar is and metal even though a lot of times you don't necessarily hear it you know like it's not very audible with certain bands but it just adds that bottom

[00:10:24] end to the guitars that is very necessary and also like interlocks and the rhythms with the drums to really give it that extra body you know it's that it's almost similar to the Phil Spectre Wall of sound philosophy

[00:10:39] whereas it's gonna be felt more than heard you know what I mean you know that's probably what he said when he killed that person but you know what I mean right like it it's necessary you know but then there are certain metal bands like Iron

[00:10:54] Made in North Anthrax who you hear the bass like the bass is a yeah even mega-dath where the bass guitar is very important to the sound of that band you know and you hear what they're doing when the person I was like to do is I

[00:11:08] like to take like in justice for all and then like in parity like it's nearest contemporary which to me is Rustin piece and so you listen to Rustin piece and the rhythm section on Rustin piece is so tight like yeah

[00:11:20] it's like night or day well Dave Ellison and Nick Menza are a bit much better rhythm section than Jason use dead Mars Orec you know yeah I mean Jason is a good bass player yes he's a very very talented bass player but I

[00:11:37] think he was never allowed to really be the bass player that he could have been in Metallica you know so and then Lars Lars is a good drummer when he practices when he puts in effort he's very good his work on the first three albums is

[00:11:53] excellent and then it's like after all he's fantastic on injustice he's incredible on that record I just wish I struggled in so much it that's like my only wish I don't mind the the clicky bass and all that stuff I I don't mind

[00:12:07] that sound it's a very like kind of process drum sound that he has but his performance is so good and if people say oh but it's not the live concerts watch I think it's live in Seattle 89 like he is fucking killing it like the whole time so

[00:12:23] you know when he's being pushed to actually try he can do really well but the problem is these days he doesn't have to try anymore because nobody's gonna tell him no right let me it's like how he got robbed your he'sio in there now and

[00:12:38] it's like he is so under he is so criminally under utilized in Metallica at this point yeah but at the same time he makes so much fucking money he doesn't care yeah like him being there you know the bass is gonna be treated well and if

[00:12:53] you listen to any of the modern Metallica stuff he's in the bass is there but it's not but it's there more than like a metal a modern metal kind of sense yeah it's like it's there but it's not prominent in the mix you know and it's a

[00:13:08] shame they don't really use his musical talents more in the songwriting you know he's just the bass player essentially with Jason like Jason only got to write three songs in his entire tension yeah and they're all great black-end he did write black-end he's

[00:13:27] only he was only my name is well I think it's only the only reason he has a credit is because he was like oh flip the intro like the intro is meant to go the other way yeah I think that's the only thing he's credited for is saying

[00:13:41] to flip the intro but I was at my friend of misery yeah with his name hello love that bass line Prince charming from reloads pretty good yeah just under utilized talent unfortunately then you listen to his solo record he did and it's

[00:13:57] like holy shit it's got good right metal oh for sure for sure but yes speaking of underutilized talent I was listening to been listening to a lot of yes I was listening to the drama album which is a fantastic record yes but today

[00:14:14] to and from work I was listening to a relayer my favorite yes album with the incredible it's just I think it's just a pencil drawing that Roger Dean did with the like the ice caverns the snake and that the guys and you know and

[00:14:28] God fucking damn it that album is so good it's my favorite yes record I think it's their best record because it takes the close to the edge format and just goes completely bonkers with it you know it's not topographic oceans which is

[00:14:41] too much like this is much more kind of more in a easier format to take but they you know bring in Patrick Moraz because Rick Wakeman was like fuck this shit and and Moraz just brings in this intense sort of style like a jazzy

[00:15:02] feel and a guy who Patrick Moraz I would compare more is like a Keith Emerson a guy who has classical training but he never completed his classical training so you can tell like Rick Wakeman completed his training and you can hear that when he plays

[00:15:17] like he's very technically proficient but he's not jazzy in any sort of sense like he doesn't have that that musicians sort of instinct you know what I mean even though

[00:15:29] I like him I think he's a great player but you listen to same Moraz he knows where to insert like his own personality in there and just really makes those tracks you know like it's a

[00:15:39] delirium like sound chaser like sound chaser I think to me sound chaser sounds like they were listening to what Bureford was doing in crimson and being like can we do a little bit of that

[00:15:51] but do it in a yes way you know especially like Alan White's little drum solo and sound chaser like Jesus Christ that thing is amazing and then to be over it's like okay we've

[00:16:03] assaulted your ares for like half an hour let's put you on a little boat and you just kind of transport down because to be over is beautiful yeah yes sounds like a few albums that I

[00:16:14] feel like are just kind of criminally underrated like relayers one of them dramas another talk like talk does not get enough love yeah um the latter magnification I mean those last two Anderson albums are just really good yeah even the original

[00:16:36] version of fly from here I feel like doesn't get enough love for his poor Benoit David his version is so much better I mean nothing but and he's a great singer I like it more than like

[00:16:47] how they got now oh John David said he just deals he just feels like a John Anderson clone the only reason they got him is because he kind of looks like John Anderson and he kind of sounds

[00:16:59] like John Anderson and he's from like some boring ass Prague band called glass hammer so yeah but like the first two yes albums are also really interesting the two Peter Banks records

[00:17:12] even if I don't love either of them in totality I think the best tracks from each make a pretty interesting record um the yes album is a little overloved just a little bit

[00:17:25] I mean it has like quite possibly one of the catches guitar song that ever with the clap yeah but and let's see oh Starship troopers a big one you know this is yours is no disgrace

[00:17:38] so first people a personal favorite of mine perpetual change like when when the music kind of slowly shifts to one of the channels and then you start hearing shit in the other channel that's

[00:17:48] really cool but yeah like fragile of rain is fragile and I close the edge or brain is close the edge and then it's like topographic oceans everybody knows about it right but people either love that

[00:17:59] all they're hated it's like one of the other it's just too much you know it's it's too much but I haven't sat down listening to that record in a long time because it's a big commitment

[00:18:11] you know because it's it's four yes epics in a row that's it like no breaks no breathers and all four of them have something incredible in them but sometimes to get to that

[00:18:26] is a pain in the ass but what can you do but but but relayers fantastic I love that album it's amazing going for the ones really good yeah um tormato is a mess

[00:18:38] sometimes a lovable mess but other times it's just not good I love the story of the album cover where it's like yeah I guess John Anderson I think hated it so much you threw tomato at it

[00:18:49] and that's just like it was Rick Wakeman Rick Wakeman that's cool that's more of a Wakeman thing yeah but yeah like I could go I mean there's a lot of how well yes

[00:19:00] yeah so but they're a great band 100% but anyways so as we had said last week we ran a poll for the set-ups of the game and everyone picked the joke entry thanks Aaron you fuckers

[00:19:16] you have salute shit heads so for this episode we're going to be talking about the wonderfully acclaimed sarcasm uh balls the director's cut well I'm glad this game's cut it was

[00:19:32] a post-on cut yeah so yeah yeah I guess like what did you know about this game do you know anything about it so I knew I knew about the I knew two things about it I knew it was the fighting game

[00:19:51] were like they made all the characters out of like a free rendered spears and I knew it was also the fighting game were like the entire soundtrack was porn on music that was about all

[00:20:02] I knew about it and then I saw it is the music like actually taken from that or is it just sounds like I don't think it's actually from borno I think it's just stylized to sound like what you

[00:20:16] have the corn on me I mean the opening the title track is casboning and it's like what is this? yeah it's very 90s but like not the 90s people want to remember

[00:20:31] yeah now this game is mostly known for its SNES in Genesis ports which are horrendous like I actually booted up the enamulated to try them up see if they were any different they are at like really

[00:20:43] surprisingly bad they don't you know run well I don't think no they don't so originally I thought this game might have had like an arcade port or something or a PC port but it doesn't it was only released on SNES Genesis and 3Dio and the 3Dio version is

[00:21:03] the quarter quote best version I'm surprised this wasn't released on like the Atari Jaguar this feels like an Atari Jaguar game to me it looks like a game that would run on it

[00:21:16] yeah probably did I mean yeah I can see this game on like PlayStation Sega Saturn the 32X you know like this this is the kind of game I could just imagine it being everywhere yeah so a little uh I guess like some release history the game came out 94

[00:21:36] all three versions 94 I assume the 3Dio one was a little later on just because they cleaned it up a little bit yeah I'm pretty sure it is because I think it says 95 on here yeah it says 95

[00:21:48] on the back of the manual so this game actually has some multitude of different names like the most famous name for the game is all 3D although that's not officially the name of the

[00:22:03] game the game is technically just called balls yeah because on the the Genesis it's balls 3D the Battle of the Balls oh my god so why the fuck it does it say balls with the Z but I

[00:22:19] would it says Battle of the Balls it goes back to the S like there's no consistency in the fucking joke I have a feeling that that was added by accolade yeah yeah the famous accolade published this this atrocity ironically they did not publish this version though

[00:22:37] no thanks oddly oddly enough thanks um another fun thing about this game is this game was developed by pf magic yes and what what else have they made well they made another game on 3Dio that's

[00:22:55] wonderfully known as patonk I think we've mentioned it a few times before in the past yeah we've mentioned that one I'm sure we'll be covering patonk eventually but their most famous for

[00:23:07] believe or not they created the pets series which is like those games that you would you see like the shovel where bin better like dogs or cats or hamsters or babies you be soft

[00:23:20] shits those out like every couple months basically oh did they still make those games so I did a little digging they so pf magic made the classic games which are all PC games that you'd probably

[00:23:33] find unlike the educational bargain bin yeah eventually you be soft bought the entertainment division of the learning company which had the rights to uh these games plus like the remains of

[00:23:47] pf magic and Ubisoft has been just making their own spins on this for years just uh pretty much I think the last one was like 2014 I'll take your word for it I feel like I have a couple of

[00:24:02] these in my GBA collection because they're probably like two or three bucks a pop at most I have horses for the weave but I'm pretty sure that was Alex's and I just kind of ended up with

[00:24:15] I know your sister was a horse girl as she wrote for a little while she's not like obsessed though but yeah like it like it's basically nintendox for people who are really in the pets

[00:24:30] yeah it was like the bargain bin nintendox like it wasn't nearly as fun in any way but they had a lot more options even though it came out before nintendox yes the original games definitely did yeah but in

[00:24:44] tendo probably saw that I went oh we could do that better and then Ubisoft's like hey we have this license should probably bring it back oh yeah I'm sure they tried to capitalize on the nintendox

[00:24:55] and probably didn't work it's interesting though because you look at pf magic's entire game ography because they were only around from like looks like about like 92 to 99 like that was their gamer lease time frame yeah and all of their games are essentially cats or dogs or at

[00:25:16] games their only exceptions are balls a tongue max magic and third degree two cdi games ooh the cdi yeah i like that apparently the z is sort of like a thing with them because all

[00:25:36] the heads games have a z as well which which I had to guess the the z's unlike the dogs and the cats was probably because they couldn't pat and ur trade mark like dogs within s like that's too

[00:25:51] common a word so so the pat novice was probably like well if you do with the z that's different enough and they probably that's how they got away with it yeah it's apparently these games are

[00:26:05] surprised are pretty like well received for people that are into that kind of game but yeah i i couldn't give a sh i couldn't give a shit about nintendo who was around so if that tells you anything

[00:26:18] about how i feel about them yeah they so i guess going back to balls because going back down you're gonna hear a lot of that this episode yeah i mean to be far i think we're

[00:26:36] gonna make more jokes about them the fucking game does yeah i guess to briefly describe the game it it's best described as an incredibly rudimentary 3d fighting game that is being incredibly

[00:26:48] generous yeah um because i i was thinking about it like you know how there are some fighting games that are very heavy in the tech we'll say games like blaze blue or guilty here or whatever

[00:27:03] like games that are known for being very difficult and very complicated right but you know it's rewarding if you do it i don't care but then you have games like mortal combat or soul caliber

[00:27:15] that have that tech but are a little bit more beginner friendly right they're easier to kind of get yourself in to figure it out right and then you have say even below that super smash brothers

[00:27:27] where you can button mash and kind of figure way through it but there's also advanced tech you know but it kind of accommodates all different kind of playing styles even when they mash together there's a way to accommodate that whereas with this frucker there's like there's nothing

[00:27:44] like there's absolutely i mean there are combos and special moves but in my time with playing this game like none of that is necessary at all like there's only the best strategy if you

[00:27:58] you want to be good at this game what i found is you because it it says it's a 2.5 defiding game but really it's a 3D fighting game and you can side step right look you have buttons for side stepping

[00:28:12] and apparently when you side step you can actually get closer to the enemy when you side step so if you're say super far apart like that right you can side step and get closer to them and get

[00:28:24] behind them and then just mash one of the attack buttons until they die and you just repeat that and it's like that's not tech let's that's not anything interesting like this game does it

[00:28:36] require like any thought behind it at all and and even in that like mindlessness it's not fun so you know like this game just isn't good well this closure i got through this

[00:28:50] the single player mode of this game by just button mashing through every fighting that's all you really need yeah like the most I did was besides that was I was playing as the clown which ones of the

[00:29:01] clown oh boomer yeah okay boomer people won't say that anymore but um like he has the attack where you can take his head and like chuck it at people or you can bowl it right i would do that occasionally

[00:29:17] but other than that i would just do what i would just said to do and but it's not fun like this game isn't that interesting like graphically it looks like shit yeah exactly yeah he's rocking out

[00:29:32] you're rocking out with his balls out you know like and it's just like it's not that interesting to look at the soundtrack is horrendous the controls aren't really that good the the camera constantly

[00:29:43] is going in and out yeah like there like you have no sense of geometry or like anything of where your characters are and this weird plane of a theory of space that you're in and like you don't

[00:29:56] really get any good feedback while you're playing the game as far as like what you're doing is works or not like it feels like the fighting mechanics if any you're being held by duct tape

[00:30:07] and just it's just bad like this game is just bad but it's not like spectacularly bad you know it's not like a sonic 06 or it's like all this is so incredible how fucking awesome like

[00:30:19] a sonic 6 where you can just like get enjoyment out of how fucked up that game can get it time like this just isn't bad it's it's boring and that's the worst thing a game can be especially

[00:30:30] a fighting game where if you look at it right for you know the visual what the video watchers how you do like if you can see you know you're like what the fuck is that and then you sit down and play

[00:30:42] it and it's like well this isn't any good like it doesn't have anything like shack food is better than this yeah at least shack food has some form of like fighting mechanics in it at least shack food

[00:30:56] is much more fucking interesting than this because it's actually trying to do something that also spectacularly failed but it's more interesting you know what I mean the game had lingoq and it's the title yeah fucking hate it and they play with it so much throughout the game

[00:31:15] yes those interesting thing about my entire experience with this game is that the back of the manual has a little ad for the button pad and weirdly enough it's not the it doesn't look like the one

[00:31:31] that I have like the button the button colors are different but I can tell you I have played it with this I'm sure it plays better with this than it would the normal controller but I can't believe

[00:31:43] this is the first fighting game yeah I tested this with not super street fighter to not samurai showdown not way of the god damn warrior the balls fucking balls so you want to hear the

[00:31:59] perfect representation of how fucking pointless this game is I feel like I just did that so here's a more I guess like layman's term way of saying it me and Alex demoed this game like we did

[00:32:12] a couple multiplayer matches just to try out I actually tried to do like the combos and everything and Alex just button meshed I guess who won every round miss one piece yes because there it

[00:32:27] doesn't matter how technically you are the game is so just oddly designed that you can just flail around like a crazy person and you're most likely going to win because you're just going to

[00:32:37] out a trishing the the other player every yeah yeah it feels like an insult you know like I'm not even like a fighting game efficient auto by any means you know like like probably the one

[00:32:53] fighting game I have any skill in is like ultimate moral combat three on the second genesis or something like that right but even then I wouldn't say I'm like tournament level or anything you know like

[00:33:04] like I played a few rounds of so caliber with Chris from a novel console you know he was much better added than I was but you know he plays fighting games I really don't I just I'll sit down and

[00:33:16] have fun with it but then I move on right yeah but like even then it's like those games have something going for them they have a point they have something they have something to exist for what

[00:33:28] the fuck why does game exists I've been pondering it like like laying in my bed sick as hell I couldn't help but think like why does this game exist like what is the purpose why are we talking

[00:33:41] about this game what is there here there's nothing yeah it I'll save it from we get to the rankings at the end but oh point there's there's one way to describe this game and I'll get to it later

[00:33:58] did you read any of the manual by any chance I skimmed it it's interesting they really like to play with the balls joke legit there's there's a line in here that legit says you want to bust my

[00:34:14] balls which apparently they had to take out of the super Nintendo version because you know yes and they're like oh you can't do that so like this like passage here it's like you start with

[00:34:26] none and you get to take a weapon your fight into advance if you don't wet your pants more wins than losers and you meet my bosses first the kangaroo's gonna pummel you he's a tail nail bouncing

[00:34:40] foe and a boxer too the ostrich may fool you into sneaking around but then he's gonna school you when his heads above ground I think we've suddenly entered Dr. Su's here and no no no do not

[00:34:55] and do not insult that man with this garbage we've entered like the dollar store Dr. Su's over here I guess yeah lick them all and you'll meet the true tester what's funny though is I guess

[00:35:12] this game was intended to play with the six buttons it actually gives a diagram of both play styles there that it does just someone interesting I guess yeah even though these controls are pointless

[00:35:23] because you can just mash the buttons and you're gonna win yeah and they're like not even that good you know like it's it's weirdly over complicated yeah there's a lot of you have you have

[00:35:34] one punch button and then the D pad is like all these different versions of like one punch you know and like there's like two different types of grapples one where it turns into like

[00:35:47] there's a old like Sega Genesis like WWE F games where you get to like a grapple and you just have to mash the button like crazy until you win like this is just that but there's also

[00:36:00] opportunities to cancel it so even if I win it sometimes like if I win it the opponent will just throw me away anyhow so it's like well what's the fucking point of that but then there's another grapple

[00:36:12] that you just get no matter what which is like it like the controls are overly complicated for what this is like you have all these different inputs and all these different like combinations

[00:36:24] for things you know special moves and everything but none of it matters like it is all just window dressing because the core of the fighting isn't fun yeah no 100% like even the cover art like I mean this is better than the shitty Genesis and Super Nintendo

[00:36:48] cover art but this has got to be one of the least appealing that no I prefer that preferred the Genesis one because that's the capitation in it true I think it's the thing yeah

[00:37:01] because even like these like in-game like graphical shots on the back like this is like one of miles have that for some reason yeah weird it's weird but anyways I was saying

[00:37:17] to say though like this has been one of the least appealing looking fighting games I think I've ever seen like I can imagine picking this up as a kid on the shelf and just looking at and be like

[00:37:26] this looks dumb and then a screenshot still even look as good as the the gameplay does like they're not gameplay screenshots no they're probably lifted from the Genesis are Super Nintendo version to be honest you know or they're probably just like stills they took while they were making

[00:37:41] the game because the game in motion isn't really that good either no like it runs fine I guess but which is like look at these backgrounds man yeah incredibly basically they're just they're they look like they look like you remember there's like iSpy books

[00:38:01] that's what they look like that they just took random shit from there and just threw them in the back and they're like oh let's have a screen you know it it's all there there's no there's no

[00:38:12] basis for this like literally they were just like oh fighting games are in let's make a fighting game oh like people like ren and stimpy so we need to throw that shit in like like they're throwing

[00:38:24] all of this invokes stuff together to try to make a product like i think that's the issue this doesn't feel like a game this feels like a product it feels like oh no like a very early like internet

[00:38:36] mean before internet memes worth thing yeah like there's something you'd play on new grounds and laugh at yeah you know but even then this isn't even that funny no this is like you you get a

[00:38:47] laugh at the how-hides called balls it so it's all sex noises that's funny for like three seconds and even then once you're if you're like over the age of like well it's not really that funny

[00:39:01] yeah i'm in 12 and years so like i don't know man this i just i hated this like i hated this so much when i when i booted it up the first time and i just heard the title screen i just kind

[00:39:16] of paused and like raised the eyebrow and was just like somebody made this and thought this is ready for consumers they they were hoping to make a few bucks off of this that's that's what

[00:39:28] this game feels like it's what's funny is though it's not even one of those like so bad it's good kind of like in hindsight it's it's so stupid it's funny kind of games this just is like one of

[00:39:39] those games where it's like you prank your friends with because you think it's you want to see them suffer for a few minutes yeah and even then it wears off super fast because there's not much

[00:39:48] it really do i mean and yet kind of has like in you window but just i don't know for me it just this whole thing is so absurd and ridiculous it doesn't even like it's not even like just the

[00:40:02] little bit eyebrow raised doesn't even do that yeah it's more kind of like it's but i guess it's kind of like a modern like i guess like a mid-2000 the best way i guess you could describe this is

[00:40:13] someone who's never played it before has never seen it i guess you could kind of like align it with like a mid-2000s like shock sight where it's like you get that initial shock and then it

[00:40:24] kind of just wears off like real quick and you're going to like oh it's just this yeah I guess but i feel like if you're shocked by this game then you live a very sheltered life yeah true

[00:40:38] i'm trying to be like as critical as i can but there's like not it's hard to even can't because it's hard to even critique this game because there's so little there exactly like it's as you know bare bones or dare i say bare balls as it gets

[00:40:57] you know like and and like the core gameplay isn't even like fun to replay yeah so before we get into our rankings i wanted to share some of the ratings this game got in

[00:41:14] they're shocking i'm not gonna lie this game got a lot of like 80s and like 70s wow in a world where like street fighter and mortal combat existed like both of them were in

[00:41:32] their primes at this point you know i mean hell you have samurai showed down you had sure there was a shit ton of fighting games with this street fighter i already said that

[00:41:46] was death stalkers a thing yet no that was playstation era okay i mean hell i mean like even tech and was on the horizon which was tech and became like the 3d fighter so

[00:42:01] you know well tech and tech and was so the the contemporary 3d fighter at this point was a virtual fighter oh yeah virtual fighters was around this point tech and was directly inspired from virtual

[00:42:14] fighter that's true oh yeah killer instinct was out by this point right i learned instinct um hell even primal rage which even primal rage ain't isn't that good of a fighter but it's

[00:42:26] got fucking more than this you want to play if a fun version of primal rage play bloody or yeah blue roar dark stalkers was a thing at this point gold wax the gold wax the duel

[00:42:41] which i got a Saturn port i mean that's better than this um that's fucking ridiculous man X men children of the atom i play that game it's not bad yeah um yeah so like one

[00:42:55] interesting one i find so famatsu was more realistic and they gave it a 28 out of 40 for this SNES version for them that's low yeah um mean mean machine Sega gave the Sega

[00:43:13] Genesis version a 90 what had a 100 like what the fuck is that we should rename the show mean machines 3d yeah yeah okay i love the fact that 3d omega is being with criticized 3d

[00:43:26] games like openly like they gave this 3 3 stars i mean that's not a bad score though it's like right down the middle like the worst i'm seeing is a next gen gave it a 2 star yeah it was like

[00:43:42] that and um game master gave the SNES version a 58 yeah a failure such as this is an absolute failure yeah there's this game flung tie school yeah honestly um because it's humor is stuck in middle

[00:44:04] school pretty much and when we get around to play betalk you're gonna see a lot of the same humor because is there is there a game there at least kind of i mean it's a game it's not a good one

[00:44:19] but i'll save that for when we get to it because because i've said it before i'll say it again and that's if the actual core of the gameplay is interesting or like at the very least to find

[00:44:33] I can deal with any other random crap as long as the act of playing the game is enjoyable but when the act of the game isn't enjoyable then it just makes everything else bad worse

[00:44:46] you know like i just need a game to play like as i mentioned you know adventures of rad gravity there's a lot of weird shit in that game very fucking weird but the act of doing the 2d

[00:44:58] platforming you know it's not perfect but it's solid so it's like i'm sticking with it you know for that but this like hell i'm the the moment i turn this is off and i turn this off i'm never playing

[00:45:12] this fucker ever again this is going on the shelf to sit on the shelf for eternity so i mean i do need fruit we practice so this disc may be perfect for that nope it's a coaster perfectly fine coaster yeah yeah um so

[00:45:29] basically at this point oh you have left to do is uh our uh must play okay stay away i'm just gonna fly out say the game is balls and stay at the fuck away that's that's going to be my

[00:45:44] right ranking it gets a zero like they don't play this game like it's not even funny for like a meme like there's no reason to play balls it is yeah and a pretty way imaginable

[00:46:01] i hope the listeners of this enjoyed enjoyed us suffering for this one i feel because it's not like it's not like say when we get to maybe way of the warrior there might actually be

[00:46:14] something there to talk about or one game i feel there's a game i've i've played on 3d that is bad but there is stuff to talk about with it i'm not gonna say what game it is though um

[00:46:26] it has been mentioned on the show before but like there's nothing to say here no and that's that's even the worst part is that it's bad but there's just it's just look at it like you already

[00:46:40] know that's bad but it's not like a spectacularly bad yeah it's just so it's such a nothing game yeah it's it's a one trick pony it's gimmick is that it's absurd and then once that wears off there's

[00:46:56] legit no substance to it yeah like i would be better off playing twisted again even though i know what's gonna happen yeah but you know this is enjoyable twisted is a well-crafted game that had

[00:47:10] some thought would into it even if it's not exactly perfect that game is wacky but you know i good time it's not even at times at least if you bring like four friends who have never

[00:47:23] played it before you can at least have enjoyment of their reactions even if like you already know what's gonna happen that's true that's true and even then it's still so random like you you might run into something that you don't expect so exactly but yes so my my

[00:47:39] ranking is gonna be stay the fuck away um what would you like to call this one uh the worst the worst okay perfect um so yeah thanks for voting everybody this was this was a joy

[00:47:56] we got 40 minutes out of this bullshit we did i mean granted ten of a ton of it was talking about yes but uh it's like the point well i mean any conversation of yes is like their songs that's

[00:48:08] do we like ten minutes yes um so yeah question is now what are we playing next um we could do another fighter do you want to take a break from fighters i need a break from fighters

[00:48:25] okay um maybe if a shooter this time around yeah i could i could blow some shit up but you think so you think in either i'm thinking either a space shooter maybe which one so we got a few options

[00:48:45] we got if you have shockwave hold on i do oh nice so i was thinking either shockwave total eclipse i don't have total eclipse okay um then now you have all we just do a shockwave

[00:49:12] yeah yeah we can do this one okay there there might be something here yeah and i mean it got two sequels on the 3D outside i mean that's a good sign i guess oh oh shit

[00:49:26] i don't know shit we we got to prepare because the invasion of earth is happening uh five years ago we need oh shit yeah so we'll do shockwave like this yeah yeah we'll do that yeah yeah

[00:49:39] yeah the the polling is gonna cease for a bit you you fuckers chose wrong yeah we're gonna take a break from that mostly just because this game ruined our our awesome run we had going there

[00:49:53] we had a good run but all good things must come to an end yeah or better yet to quote the great George Harrison all things must pass away and i feel after this this much drossity that i want to pass away yeah this was

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