The 3DO Experience - Episode 19: The Need For Speed: The Beginning Of A Legend!

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[00:00:30] Hello everybody and welcome back to the 3DO Experience, the 3DO retrospective podcast where we talk about the 3DO company, the console and everything in between. I'm Bill and this is Thrak, I do Thrak. Oh, I'm recovering. How are you? Do you have a good Christmas?

[00:00:51] Yeah, that was pretty good. I mean, Alex, we drove up to my parents house, spent the day with them from what we've heard, and then we drove back. I stayed up till like four in the morning doing the Lego set because I'm insane.

[00:01:06] Yeah, it's good to see Alex as back. She's back on her cursed memes and I'm assuming she's back on the show. So I'm glad she's in a better spot as well. Yeah, now she's back. We just did our we've actually did the season finale for GNC last week.

[00:01:24] So that's becoming out this upcoming weekend. And we begin the preparations for season four, so that's going to be a lot of work. But I'm looking forward to it. Sounds good, man sounds good. So yeah, for my Christmas Iowa, I was sick basically.

[00:01:40] So Christmas Eve, everything was fine. Back Christmas Eve was actually a good time. And I indulged way too much in sugary confectionaries and stuff. So I woke up Christmas day with like a horrible migraine nausea fatigue, the whole thing.

[00:01:59] Like I missed all the Christmas day festivities, which to be fair with us. We don't do that much of it's usually just Christmas Eve. But like it was so bad. I literally just made myself fair up just to try to feel better.

[00:02:12] And that did help me to start feel better. And I was supposed to work today after Christmas when we're recording this, but I just was like, Hey, let me just swap this day with my normal day off. So so I took this day to feel better.

[00:02:27] Somehow playing Sabre Punk was was good recovering stuff. That's a whole mess that talk about. But yeah, I'm in a better place health wise thankfully. And then I did get some gifts. I'm wearing a Minnesota Viking pajamas set, which my mom got me, which was nice.

[00:02:49] Not a lot of other stuff beyond that. I think my family is just kind of toned down the gift giving between the adults. It's mostly just you give the stuff to the kids, which is fine. Like I think you are like me.

[00:03:01] Where it's if you want some, you just go out and get it. Yeah, that's kind of for Christmas. I came more about this gifts I get from my parents and Alex, like that's kind of my favorite part of it.

[00:03:10] Because like nowadays it's like, I love my mom, but she tries like so hard. I'm always like she goes like, she's like, I hope you like this in like the moment. It's fine. Like I'm not. I don't need like the world.

[00:03:24] It's it's one of those things. She loves this time of year and like I appreciate everything she does. Yeah, yeah, we all love our moms out here. My mom puts a lot of work into this time as well.

[00:03:37] But that's usually more with like, you know, cooking food and just trying to have a good atmosphere for everybody to just kind of enjoy themselves in that kind of thing.

[00:03:45] You know, she's not she does when she goes all out with give she does but, you know, she always tries to be sure everybody gets something. So I so I appreciate that. But yeah, she's great.

[00:03:58] Yeah, one of the things, so every year mean my mom we do like a yearly triple go to. Like a race. So like last couple years we've been going to like NASCAR races, like we went to like Martensville, Richmond.

[00:04:10] Bristol, like all like the big tracks just for like one yearally triple go for like a weekend. She changed up this year though. This year we're going to go to an Indy car race down in Alabama. So that'll be cool.

[00:04:22] Yeah, yeah, I'm told Indy Indy race is there a lot of fun. I've been you know NASCAR annoys me a lot lately just because they're so wishy, washy on their rules and the sport is kind of. So inconsistently.

[00:04:38] Indy car has actually been like really interesting because it's like the most like genuine like racing like as all the cars are pretty much equal.

[00:04:46] And it's just about the craziness of like the races that they have like the greatest race of all time which is like being defied under it.

[00:04:52] So yeah, are the I hate to ask when are the the politics of NASCAR events a little apparent good that make the environment a little harsher.

[00:05:05] So that's actually the thing about NASCAR going to a race is great because everyone there's like fucking like the nicest people you will ever run into. It's just like watching the races now on TV is just fucking frustrating as you're like.

[00:05:17] You can clearly tell their face they're trying to chase like the popularity that they had back in 05 and it's never coming back. It's just one of those things and. Just kind of let it be you know yeah.

[00:05:30] Meanwhile Indy cars like pretty healthy with their actual racing package, but they just don't know how to freaking market their sport anymore. Yeah, but I get the sense that like. Just kind of the popularity of racing in general just has like waves, you know.

[00:05:46] I run it just comes and goes. It's super popular outside of America because it's the biggest thing in the world because. Yeah. And I mean for me the ones pretty big in America now because of the Netflix show and stuff.

[00:06:00] Yeah, for me the one is cool but like see I enjoy that kind of like European racing where it's like they're going through like the Swiss Alps on like roads that are like this. Small and like the curves are super tight and it's like they might die.

[00:06:14] Oh, that's fun. Rally rates sing with their just like. Yeah. There's somebody's neighborhood and if they make one run turn there's like they're. Yes, that's the shit I like put some puts a minute puts a excitement into that you know.

[00:06:27] Yeah, racing in general is a is a really interesting sport. I get the whole.

[00:06:34] I expect that it's boring to watch, but it's kind of like one of those things really you just got to go to a race and like see it in person then you you end up getting hooked after.

[00:06:41] I can see that but I think for us and for this show as well. We playing a racing game is definitely much more exciting at least for me and that works well because today we are talking about the need for speed presented by road in track.

[00:07:00] Possibly in hindsight thinking of all the games that release for 3D. Oh, this might be the longest lasting probably biggest like. Like most probably the biggest like legendary series to ever come off of this thing and nobody would have ever but. These two together.

[00:07:19] You know, like whenever people ask like what games debuted on 3D. The you can say, Gax, but everyone knows Gax that's kind of like the one that people know if you want to like really shocks on tell them that like need for speed got it start on 3D.

[00:07:32] Well, in Gax hasn't had a new entry in decades true like need for speed is still going like it's never stopped it's had like at least every couple of years like a new game come out I mean, hell had a new entry look excuse me how new entry last year.

[00:07:48] It had hurt you. I don't know if it was any good or not, I didn't watch it. It's probably not but it depends on what year that film came out.

[00:07:58] Yes, so because I remember when I was first getting into like 3D of like one of the big games I had to try out was need for speed just because that was like one of the few games I actually played as a kid on the PlayStation version I wanted to know like how good it was on it's original console.

[00:08:17] Yeah, and we'll get into that it's. It's interesting because I did play both for this for this review.

[00:08:26] Well, quick, the film came out in 2014 and looking at and looking at the cover of it I'm like oh this is such a fast and furious rip off probably with the whole movie is like it's need for speed and name only.

[00:08:41] The game version of the film to which I thought was kind of funny that's great has Aaron Paul Dominic Cooper kid Cody Michael Keaton has like a. As surprisingly like notable cast it was a Disney movie.

[00:08:57] It's the distributed through Disney that's weird it might have been fox at the time. No, it says Disney through touchdown. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, so I think it's on Disney plus I can watch it there. There you go.

[00:09:11] Yeah, report back because I'm not going to watch that stanker. Yes. But yes, yeah, this game need need for speed the need for speed this game was made for the 3D out. It was the first like it came on 3D out first it was made for the system.

[00:09:29] So in a way this game is the 3DOS legacy because even if you compare it to the game most people know and love from the 3DOS, which is road rash like both of them are EA properties.

[00:09:44] And when I was playing through need for speed I couldn't help but feel there is some road rash DNA here, but it is doing something different with the road rash DNA. It's not trying to be a high octane combat kind of racer with weird fish islands people.

[00:10:03] You know, it feels like need for speed is trying to be respectable, which sounds like I'm insulting road rash but like Well, the road rash is still like argued with the best game on the system in a lot of ways.

[00:10:15] Oh yeah, and I think this is a rare instance of a game that is, you know, nipping at the heels as it was for that title because I think it's a really good idea. Especially for the time.

[00:10:26] It's really solid I think you know racing aim to evolve to pass this obviously, but you know for a racer from like 95 to 94 that's trying. Yeah, 94 yeah so it's as old as me and it's for trying to be a kind of a simulation racer.

[00:10:48] It's an a pre-grandterism a world, which you know sounds very daunting. I think it does a very solid job with what it is attempting to do.

[00:11:00] Yeah need for speed really kind of like shredded that line between like the hardcore Sims like geat granders, but when later forza and the more arcadey style like racing games because like it's really kind of in this middle ground where like it's not super sim.

[00:11:15] But it's still a little arcadey at times as well. I think it's I feel I'm not too sure about my you know racing game knowledge, but I feel like this is probably the most.

[00:11:26] Sim heavy racing game of its time because when did the first granderism will come out like 97 98. It was late PS2 so I want to say probably like 97ish.

[00:11:39] Okay yeah, so yeah so but it felt like granderism was the series that sort of this is how you do the simulation racer. Like that way that was the big boom for simulation racers right and we just. I just double checked it was 97 when she granderism came out.

[00:11:56] Yeah and so we still live in that sort of granderism world of simulation racers basically like we're forced to know these other. series kind of copped from but need for speed feels like granderism will probably took some influence from this game.

[00:12:11] You know because what I like is all the cars feel different. You know this is one of the first real racing games I can think of that like you actually felt like you were really driving because like.

[00:12:25] Thinking of like arcade racers at the time and like you had like the obvious ones like Daytona USA virtual racing. The cruise in series like and that they're all very arcade. Oh absolutely you can even go further back then that was like outrun or. What's the right?

[00:12:46] Technically a thing around yeah test drive what was the name co one not rally acts but the other one those like behind. It's on this hook.

[00:12:55] And then the whole position yes yes it feels like need for speed is just kind of on that line of like that real game chronology you know. I'm co took some influence from this game as well because I mean ridracer came out shortly after.

[00:13:10] Yeah and ridracer feels like the closest comparison to this game. Ridracer has more of that sort of Japanese feel to it where's this is pure Western 100% it sponsored by a goddamn Western. Racing mag written track that still exists they do buy monthly.

[00:13:30] Pressing I think so I used to read road and track all back in the day just because it had some racing stuff in it every known then. It it's a car bags in there's like really not a whole lot like it's. It's fine if you're into that stuff.

[00:13:44] Does it have scanceled clad women all over the cars or is it just the cars? I think it's just the cars. Oh then it's bullshit. Yeah. Maybe the older ones did the newer ones it's mostly just cars.

[00:13:58] Yeah the first issue road track was in 1947 and it's still going that's very impressive. But but yeah the road track influence I think comes in in the what I call the car porn of this game. Oh yeah me.

[00:14:14] Because every car they have a video for it that you can just watch it just kind of do its thing, you know like it's very sort of like you know as I said car porn.

[00:14:26] But also it's impressive for it to era that they were able to like they have real cars like these are all licensed cars as far as I know. Like you have a Toyota super Lamborghini a Ferrari.

[00:14:38] Some others I forget them all on my head but this is hands down the best looking 3D. You'll be played so far. Yeah especially for a mostly 3D racer. You know it looks good and it's surprisingly smooth.

[00:14:53] I didn't have any issues with it as far as like the driving portion was considered. I mean yeah it's not a perfect game but it runs really well though.

[00:15:03] I know if you put need for speed in an emulator like a 3D emulator and you overclock the CPU it runs even better. Which I would recommend doing if you haven't done. Yeah the PlayStation version plays better like.

[00:15:18] As respectable as the 3D version as you can clearly tell the. The PlayStation is just a more powerful system. Yeah for sure for sure one thing I didn't like about this game as I point out to you was the menus.

[00:15:32] Oh yeah so the 3D oh menus for listeners at home. Basically it gives you a collage of like 5 images. And you have to tell you what any of them do. No like it's trying to be intuitive that's like oh the pictures of the cars.

[00:15:50] That's where you like select your car or you'll just see like a random street it's like oh those are like the track selections. The steering wheel is the options the keys to start and then there's just the random guy in the middle.

[00:16:02] The the it feels like they had to throw in some FMV just because it was like filling a quota or something. So they just have one guy.

[00:16:12] I don't have his name but I think he he must have been like on the dev team I think he looks like a programmer isn't like a car guy but he's not bad he's not bad he's kind of cheeky.

[00:16:26] And and he has something kind of interesting to say at the end of every race regardless of if you do well or not. You know he's a bit of a shipbag but I don't mind him.

[00:16:37] But the thing with these menus like and this like goes with pretty much every 3D O game because. It's kind of been a running theme is that 3D O menus don't make any fucking sense most of the time.

[00:16:48] It's honestly just kind of I think a product of the time where 3D O was really the first console to try a lot of these things and they clearly didn't know what the direction was going to be yet.

[00:17:01] So they tried all these interest quote unquote interesting ideas and. In hindsight, they haven't held up well but for the time there at least you need. Yeah for sure and it has a style to it.

[00:17:14] But what I like about me for speed is that the style does not overtake the game it's not as style over substance like some 3D O games we've played. And this I still go ahead.

[00:17:25] I was going to say and I can confirm the PlayStation and also set this game had a Saturn port as well. And I assume he I'm assuming the PC version as well.

[00:17:34] They all had a much more conventional menu system for their versions of the game because that honestly that was the reason I played PlayStation because I was like,

[00:17:43] I because I remember it as a kid I was like the menus weren't this fucking confusing to me as a child so I was like. I have to check and make sure it was probably the PlayStation version and sure enough.

[00:17:52] Food and that of them like oh yeah this is at this typical one player 2 player like challenge modes all that jazz. Yeah because like there's not that many modes in this game.

[00:18:03] You know it's like it's basically just race to the end and it's either you either race against this guy or you don't.

[00:18:12] And that's basically kind of it and apparently the 3D O version only has the three the three courses you can choose which all have the PlayStation tracks each whereas the other ones have a 6.

[00:18:24] Yeah PlayStation and Saturn added an additional three courses you could tell what the PlayStation Saturn version was it was it was basically just taking the game and cleaning it up for the modern systems. Yeah yeah. Though I will say the tracks aren't bad like.

[00:18:40] Yeah every road Rashi you know or it's like mostly straight lines with some slight turns here and there but they do a lot with the environment. You know where it's like you go under tunnels and and like road Rashi there's cars you have to avoid.

[00:18:55] But there was one I think was like on the coast where you get to a certain section there's just a bunch of hot air balloons up in the sky.

[00:19:02] Yeah that was really cool there there are some really solid window dressing and all the tracks which give it some extra flare. It's interesting to me too because the 3D O infamously wasn't particularly.

[00:19:14] Despite its name was not the best console in terms of 3D O power I mean 3D O power 3D graphical power.

[00:19:22] This game to me though surprised me because there is some really good polygon work like it looks honestly like they took the road Rashi engine and just like upgraded it and made it like full 3D which is really impressive.

[00:19:35] Yeah I think that's what they did because I mean the game deals like road Rashi in some ways.

[00:19:41] And one thing I liked is when if you ever spin out and you see the front of the car like they modeled all of these cars 3D in like the 3D to look exactly like they do in real life which I was genuinely impressed by that as well.

[00:19:57] Like the technology in this game is surprisingly solid for what it is and and the technology go ahead. I was going to say this game looks better than some racers on like early racers on PS1.

[00:20:09] Oh for sure for sure and the technology doesn't get in the way of the driving as well.

[00:20:16] So because I played through all of these on the novice difficulty beat all of those which were pretty easy to do and then I went to intermediate which was more of a challenge but you know not terrible. So I lost some races but I won some.

[00:20:32] I didn't even attempt the pro because the pros when it makes you manually shift which to be fair shifting in this game is tough it's just the shoulder buttons.

[00:20:41] Just kind of knowing when to hit them so I'm sure it like the learning curve isn't ridiculous or anything like that. And like road Rashi you can also run away from the cops you know like a in a notable theme and the need for speed series.

[00:20:57] You like you know hop or suit most wanted and all that is you know trying to avoid the police and it's right here in the original game as well.

[00:21:05] And for the most part you won't run in any issues I had one race I got pulled over like three times just because I kept accidentally hitting like another car when a cop was coming up to me and and you get a funny little still image of them giving you a ticket and it just says speeding on it.

[00:21:23] And then at the end of that race the the dude I'm sure he has a name I'm just going to call him the dude.

[00:21:30] He was just like man you got to do it you kind of work out those park and take it for the speed and take it's managed you just fuck it up basically and it's like shut up you asshole but yeah but it was funny you know.

[00:21:43] Because so for this before playing this game did you have any need for speed you plan any of the other games in the series oh I played like one through so I played all the classics like so like need for speed one all the way up to.

[00:21:59] And then I played the underground games I kind of fell off after that because they got really that's when they started getting super technical. And they kind of lost the the kind of just like fun racing field that they had.

[00:22:17] That night I moved on to just other games by that point but all need for speed like the reason why I really want to play this game is just because I love racing games and like need for speed for just great as it was. I'm sure.

[00:22:29] Yeah and I had some limited knowledge of need for speed like I remember years ago I got.

[00:22:36] I got like this collection of like 4 PC games and one of them was need for speed I can't remember if it was hopper suit 1 or hopper suit 2 because they both looked familiar to me and they both had PC releases.

[00:22:48] And I remember enjoying that game and I have the the Game Boy Advance version of Porsche unleashed in fact I think are Porsche unleashed which I remember playing that a lot and thought it was pretty impressive for a GBA game.

[00:23:01] And then I remember with my game cube I had the original underground and I still really liked the underground one like it's it's really cool like it's I enjoyed the theming of that game very.

[00:23:12] It ties in with like the early fast and period movies like the first like two or whatever it definitely fits in with that sort of underground street racing world I guess but other than that I haven't I haven't played any of the speed since the original underground.

[00:23:28] But I was never the biggest racing game guy you know yeah so I actually picked up. Need for speed most wanted not the original most wanted the the remake that they did years later well not remake I think it's just they made another most wanted.

[00:23:45] I think just for have more racing games on my beta it's not bad. Is that the one they did the like they ported everything to or am I thinking of a different one.

[00:24:00] I think I'm thinking hopper suit you might be clean up because when they rebooted hopper suits and then a couple years ago they put it on like everything. Yeah I think that's that's the one because I know okay.

[00:24:14] Most wanted got a the most wanted came out on the video when it came out on the fossils as well.

[00:24:20] Okay okay yeah I think you're right and and at that point there being made by a criteria on the the burnout developers yep they weren't made by them they're made by like EA black box for some.

[00:24:33] The original need so the development of need for speed is actually really. Confusing because they've been through so many developers over the years the original game. And I believe it's first few sequels were developed by EA Canada who was now EA Vancouver I believe. Yeah.

[00:24:55] Eventually development got moved over to black box who was the main developer for the series for a long time I'm not even sure black box is still around to be honest.

[00:25:07] It says was so probably not yeah yeah killed them like my kill everything else yeah black box is first game was hopper suit two and then they immediately changed everything with underground.

[00:25:19] And then they bring in their own new ideas which you can see very clearly because underground is where they really started getting. They started changing it up which. For underground one or two I really enjoyed.

[00:25:30] Yeah and then oh the last need for speed they made was the run. And then they helped out on a battlefield hard line and then they went away shortly after that. They probably got absorbed into.

[00:25:44] Some other EA studio and the not another that's never mind on thinking of activation. Yeah because uh, uh, uh, battlefield hard line was also made by another EA studio that got dissolved the visceral games. All right. Love so good.

[00:26:00] Um, I need to try about field hard line like it's probably not great but it's on game pass and it'd probably be a quick play just because I'm curious to like because it's like I keep seeing not to deviate too much but I keep seeing this game.

[00:26:16] Hop up for me and I'm like maybe I should just play it see what the deal is replayed it at all. Nah, I was never being FPS guy. Well, that's that style of PS anyways.

[00:26:27] Fair enough fair enough like the the battlefields I want to play are the two bad company games. Those are very much praise especially too like two has a really good story so. But we'll get to that eventually but anyways.

[00:26:43] Yeah, EA black box yeah got it said that it doesn't say they got dissolved in anybody like they turned into EA job breaker for a little bit which is a terrible name.

[00:26:53] Okay and then yeah so they're just dead and then yeah criteria and took over the series well for a little bit but now they're being made by what ghost games. Ghost games made rivals rivals was pretty good I played that one.

[00:27:07] I made just need for speed just online open world racing is that the one based on the movie.

[00:27:14] I believe that's the one based off the movie okay and then pay back heat and then this new one it's a unbound is criterion and code masters and I'm like shit. Oh, they still exist. Yeah, yeah, on them now. And they haven't dissolved them yet.

[00:27:31] No, no because they make. They make the F1 games and those those make a lot of money are they any good yeah they're pretty good they're very hard. Oh, I'm very enough. Yeah, I was today they made though this year they've made EA sports WRC.

[00:27:52] We have they're making that now too. I came out in November got these a reviews. They're a really good racing game studio like if you look back at their history they've made some great games of the use.

[00:28:06] Oh yeah because I remember when they made stuff like Operation Flash point and Rise of the Argonauts. They made some James Pong games they did the Overlord games. But she I like the Overlord games. Yeah, they did a bunch of random stuff.

[00:28:24] I swear they had like a game like a PS2 game, he barregame. Oh yeah, they did second sight that that's a real cool game you're a play second sight. That sounds familiar. I have to look it up because I'm. It's yeah.

[00:28:39] Oh, they published it they didn't develop it. Oh, he is. He is. I developed it but it's like a science fiction action adventure game where it's like there's like a paris psychology in it and you're kind of like losing your mind as you play the game.

[00:28:52] It's it's an interesting game. It's one that kind of fell through the cracks back in the day but actually think it's not bad. Hmm. Yeah, it's it's crazy and like we were talking a little bit off. Off camera but like we were we mentioned like.

[00:29:09] The burnout series I believe burnout is like one of the biggest like. One of the biggest series that was inspired by need for speed directly. Yeah and this and the dev team that made the burnout games adventure start making the need for speed games.

[00:29:23] So and it's weird that we haven't had a burnout game like a new burnout game since we're now crash in 2011. Like we did get burnout paradise remastered, which is everywhere and I've been playing that actually because of playing need for speed.

[00:29:38] It made me want to go back and play burnout paradise and. And God damn if that's not like that might be my favorite racing game of all time just because like. I love open world racers like the fours are horizon games are fantastic but.

[00:29:52] There's just too much to do and I just get so overwhelmed it's like you know. Yeah, but burnout paradise for being open world it's still very streamlined and you can just kind of make your own fun in it.

[00:30:05] You know like you can either do all the challenges to get all the right to upgrade your license or you can just drive around breaking all of the billboards you can find and.

[00:30:13] Yep, just randomly crashing people like burnout paradise is so good like apparently it's a divisive game for burnout fans in the series. But I haven't played enough of the rest of the games to know why but for me it's like it's like it's like,

[00:30:28] It's like, it might just be like the perfect racer for me. Like it's very pick up and play our Katie. But it's just but it's so easy to get like sucked into it, you know what I mean? Like it's just big enough, you know, it's not too big.

[00:30:41] It's not too small. It's just big enough to where you can spend like an hour and kind of like roughly see the whole map.

[00:30:49] You know, but it but there's so many unique local cows and paradise that it's easy just kind of get stuck in one little like area.

[00:30:56] Like oh the woods area then you like go out into the main metropolitan city area and then you go on big surf island work even crazier shit happens.

[00:31:03] You know, like it's a good time and these days it feels like racing games like I think arcade racers are trying to make a comeback. But I feel like they're not sticking as well as people would have hoped.

[00:31:16] You know, because I remember when Cruisin Blask came out on switch, a lot of people tried to make that a big deal and it is a very fun game but it didn't really set the world on fire, but I wasn't necessarily expecting it to, you know?

[00:31:29] Yeah, it's it's interesting like the racing game kind of went through a lull there for a while and it's like just now starting to like pick it back up like.

[00:31:39] I think one of the series that really helped to refopularize it was actually forza, especially with like the four horizon games. Oh, because yeah, the fours are horizons are fantastic.

[00:31:50] There's so much fun, like because you can make those as arcade or assimilation as you want they let you do both and both are rewarding in their own ways.

[00:32:00] Like I've played some forza motorsport, I really like motorsport but on there just horizon kind of fits more just because I like when crazy shit happens.

[00:32:08] And racing games, you know what I mean when they're just over the top of the day, but there is some fun to be had in the more grand tourism, most out simulation racers.

[00:32:16] Which obviously grand tourism was still going and had a fucking movie of a series to get a movie and the movie isn't about like it's not like an in-universe story.

[00:32:27] It's about like a video game competition where like, oh, you're really good at grand tourism, we're going to make you an actual driver which I don't think that's how that works. Well, there's a few NASCAR drivers that made it big on high racing.

[00:32:43] Yeah, I mean there is a way to make racing games that simulation, like I've seen the rigs you know with the wheel and the crazy feedback and all that which is impressive but it's also at the same time just get a car.

[00:32:58] Just drive a fucking car around you know like I can't get into that much you know because it's like I drive and I don't. necessarily want to have that kind of experience like doing like a race kind of a thing like that's not what I want.

[00:33:16] I'd rather just put a controller in my hand and do it, but yeah, but still good for them. And I mean with need for speed unbound existing as well, it's like there is still a market for racing games even unbound feels much more like a race like arcadey.

[00:33:32] Just dial racing game like there's like cartoon sort of effects sprinkled throughout the game and everything. It has that criterion stamp on it because that's why I like about the criterion stuff I've played is that they don't take it too seriously.

[00:33:46] You can tell that EA still very much cares about need for speed. Yeah, but they don't care about burnout at all, which I feel like if you wanted to do a new burnout game.

[00:33:57] I think it would work. I think people would be excited to see that name come back and have something but like what would you do? Would you do another like like a takedown or like a revenge style game? Would you do another burnout paradise, you know like what would you do?

[00:34:13] I think it'd probably be better to do like a burnout three or burnout revenge. Like those are like the games everybody loves from that series that I've never played.

[00:34:22] And it's like instead of just doing another open world racer, you know, like give it that signature burnout style if ever to bring it back. You know, but I don't know.

[00:34:33] But yeah, as you said EA values need for speed much more and I think it's just because they can do a lot more with the need for speed.

[00:34:42] Speed series, you know, because they've had like this, like some of the early games are much more kind of borderline simulation based but not like hardcore.

[00:34:53] And then they can do like this stuff like unbound which is much more arcadey and kind of silly like it can kind of, you know, weave in and out of what it wants to do, which I think helps because with burnout it's the whole thing is.

[00:35:07] You know, the crashes and the crazy excitement is how many times can you make that before people get sick of it, you know. Also need for speed is just a recognizable name like when you think racing games like everybody knows need for speed.

[00:35:18] Yeah, just better round for so long even if you've never played it like you know. Yeah, like because it's like I was talking to a friend about like racing games once and they were kind of like.

[00:35:30] They were kind of just like nodding along to the conversation that I brought up need for speed and they immediately like perked up and I'm like okay, so you know this one.

[00:35:36] Yeah, yeah, and it's one of the best selling vegan franchise is all time actually like it's it's above resident evil. So it's also like just like I always loved how stylized the series kind of was like. Yeah, and this game has a style.

[00:35:56] Oh yeah, like the box art for this game is iconic to me in a lot of ways like it's weird because it has the road and track advertisement just plastered right across it.

[00:36:05] But it's also the only game that used blood need for speed as the title because they dropped at the very quickly after.

[00:36:14] And yeah, that like Corvette I was assuming that's a Corvette on the side like with the wheel that's just like I've known that cover art that cover it's been in my head since I was like five years old.

[00:36:26] Yeah, I mean, I could see why it's a very striking cover and for some reason in Japan, it's not called need for speed. It's called overdrive in. What's your there's probably some weird. Licensing issue. Mm-hmm.

[00:36:46] Though I'm sure you'll know this road and track sponsored another racing game. Do you know what you want that is? I don't remember up the top of my head. Okay, it was like a sim racer on like computer from like 1992 again called Grand Prix and limited.

[00:37:03] Oh, yeah, I remember that. I didn't actually figure out. I'm sure I'm sure I published a well part of them. Yeah, made by a accolade or good buddies accolades. Ah, the guys who made test drive, that's funny and Bubsy.

[00:37:16] But yeah, they did make to I've never played a test drive game. They're so hit or miss like like test drive six great games. Is it tech isn't the one everyone likes on the Dreamcast? Laman Lamont. Is that the one I like?

[00:37:30] Test drive Lamont is way better than it has any rate to be. Okay, is that the one to play? So in terms of test drives, I highly recommend there's I say six. Six for the old ones. Lamont if you want just a general like really good sim racer.

[00:37:49] And then the two that I highly recommend are the two unlimited ones that came out on 360. Yeah, I remember test drive unlimited. Like that's a name I recognize. But you know, I'm all juror. I have a lot of nostalgia for test drive off road wide open on PS2.

[00:38:08] That one was a pretty fun one. Mostly just for the free road mode because you basically to have to re-roll these massive open like areas and just drive around.

[00:38:16] Yeah, but like every time I've tried to play like an off road racer like a, like a MX versus a TV or something like that, I just end up not enjoying it. Yeah, because I like the idea of it.

[00:38:30] You know, like the MX versus a TV, like those covers are fantastic. Like I'm like, I love how those look. But I play the game and I'm just like, I don't like this like it's too bumpy. Yeah, it's just accurate.

[00:38:44] But I just, it's accurate because it's offered racing, but it just doesn't do it for me. You know, I need smooth roads, I guess. Yeah, there's just something different about a, about a game like that where you can just like kind of go anywhere.

[00:38:59] Yeah, yeah, like give me like a forza horizon any day, you know, or burn out paradise. It's really good. It would be cool if they did a sequel to that, but I highly doubt they will.

[00:39:13] There's enough, there's enough content in paradise to where if you've never played it like me, you can sink hours into that game. I mean, even a yeah, that's a great series as well, a regular, a day for five, that game is phenomenal like that.

[00:39:29] That's probably, like honestly, I like that more than grand terizmo. Uh, my fear of hard to take that. I think that's the best racing game on PS4n. But type 4. Oh yeah. I would agree actually like.

[00:39:41] Grand terizmo 2 is pretty fucking fantastic, like that's one of the most impressive racing games I've ever played. games I've ever played. You know, just for what they did with that game. But I would much

[00:39:55] rather play Ridge Racer type 4 because I think I'm sure you'd agree with me. There is a level of pick-up in play with a racing game that makes them very easy entry and I think Grantar

[00:40:08] is Mo, at least those early ones. I haven't played like any past the two on PS1 struggle with. Because Ridge Racer 2, like if you put in the simulation disk, you know, and you're trying

[00:40:21] and I cannot figure out how to fucking play that game. Like how to solidar it all you mean. You mean a Grantarismo? Oh, yes. All right. Yeah. Grantarismo too. When you put in like the

[00:40:31] simulation disk and I'm trying to figure out what the fuck to do because it's so confusing. But like Ridge Racer type 4 you pop it in, be like, oh, go to a race and then you just race. And then I see my thing

[00:40:42] my favorite difference between. So I was a kid playing racing game for the first time. My favorite difference between playing like say type 4 and then Grantarismo was I'd pop in type 4 and I'd

[00:40:52] just immediately jump into a race and be like doing all these crazy, like stunts and stuff and like having a great time. Yeah. Ridge Racer is but when I try to drive, I hit the turn button

[00:41:01] and I drive into a wall because this car drives like a real car. It's like you can't just turn on a well, Grantarismo tries to have the arcade mode. But it's not what people like about the series.

[00:41:14] So they like making their super hyped up like sports car and then driving it around like a real car. Yeah. And I'm sure there's I should try playing more of the the Grantarismo games.

[00:41:28] Because I'm sure I would enjoy them. But of course I'm not sure which one they play. So I'd recommend like 4 maybe 4 is a really good one. Was that the PS2 one? That was the second one on PS2.

[00:41:41] I thought PS3's pretty good as well but playing that's hard because PS3 games kind of locked in it. Fair enough. Yeah, there was one. I think it is Grantarismo 4 but I thought I had like

[00:41:53] one that has like a blue cover. Oh, that's the ring again. A spec 3. Not much really good too. Yeah. The on the outside to the PS2 G Grantarismo is as they don't have damage.

[00:42:06] I don't care about that. Okay, some people do. It was a very controversial thing for a while. Well, I guess if you're like a sim racer person that's what you like you care about that.

[00:42:16] For sure but I don't know. It's not that big a deal for me and then but I find it interesting though this it could be a principle thing that like Grantarismo

[00:42:26] has yet to do a 4 is a horizon type game because when 4 is a horizon came out they original which surprisingly holds up. I was always at least when when I was like looking into the series.

[00:42:38] I was like, oh, I wonder if Grantarismo's attempted something like a 4 is a horizon and they never have as far as I know. They kind of did with Grantarismo tour on PS4 but it's not who or

[00:42:51] I think it's called tour. I might be. I believe you. I don't see anything here labeled that because I was I'm probably forgetting the name let me look it up real quickly because I imagine Grantarismo they could do something like that. It's not tour and I

[00:43:13] Grantarismo sport. Oh, sport okay so that was them trying to do like a horizon type thing it's not quite horizonish but it was a different they tried something different it was more

[00:43:28] it was less it seemed like because I mean I thought that was Grantarismo 7 for the longest time and then you got 7 on PS5 later on so oh boy oh boy. My game had a lot of controversy when

[00:43:41] that came out. I mean to me I had no problem with it because it was exactly what I've always thought Grantarismo was a grindy game. Well the issues I had heard was the aggressive micro transactions

[00:43:53] in the game. Yeah I mean that's unfortunately that's just part of gaming these days and we're going to yeah two and extend I guess it depends on the game you're playing because like I mean I'm sure

[00:44:03] it exists and like the force of horizon but like I guess I just like gloss over it you know but then game with the the horizon games it's like oh you can just you know you're not trying

[00:44:12] to compete with people at least I'm not I'm just driving around having fun so I don't really worry about that but I imagine with Grantarismo it being more competitive game that could definitely be an

[00:44:21] issue you know say it was like with like Madden for example how it's like essentially a competitive online game these days and that's why it sucks and they want you to buy like the Madden

[00:44:31] ultimatum cards and everything so but it's kind of it's kind of it's kind of said we've kind of completely drifted away from need for speed and unfortunately as much as need for speed as a great

[00:44:43] game there's just not a lot of game because it's very bare bones you don't tell it's the first one yeah but what's there is good you know and I don't have enough knowledge about the rest of the

[00:44:56] series to really comment you know but I know it might be hard to really get better. It always has been oh yeah yeah like if I were up to me I would be like let's let's like play underground one and two

[00:45:07] and talk about that you know because I'm sure there's a lot to talk about with those games I used to be dog shit at that game but I loved customizing the cars you know where they would be like

[00:45:16] at slow you know like just kind of in that like little like cruise mode through just some giant ass parking garage and never ends and it's just playing like mid 2000s hip hop music

[00:45:26] that you'd hear at like middle school dances. Like little John and usher all over there while you're just like trying to pimpe your car out when you're like a white boy who knows nothing

[00:45:36] about this stuff you know like that's what I remember more oh god oh Jesus you know you know why I bring that song up because it's on go just a little tangent I don't know if we brought this

[00:45:48] little tangent the GVA episode we did but um these games need for speed underground was ported for the G-gapoy advance and they brought the sound tracks with them and they're horribly

[00:45:59] bit crushed and it's the greatest thing ever yeah that's true I think I have one of the need for speed I have Porsche unleashed because that was like an early game that I had for it you know

[00:46:09] and I liked it I may have underground I'm not sure I'd have to check everyone I chuckle just look up the GVA version of the window to the wall song it is amazing and there is something hilarious

[00:46:21] about that song like when I was in like middle school in high school whenever they play that song at a dance and everybody would just like get super hype about it you know and like you just have

[00:46:31] all these 14 year olds like screaming you know don't sweat drive down my balls like the full one censored version which is and then the teachers will be running over being like oh no oh they would

[00:46:43] just let it go no not I'm not gonna stop but my school they're just like and they're just gonna say we're not gonna stop them but to be fair I grew the high school I went to was very

[00:46:53] amrishly diverse so yeah mine was which was good I got I got a lot of different perspectives on things and for a little bit I was the the token white boy and then the friend grew for a little bit

[00:47:06] which that was fun what's fun for a while you know yeah I mean I'm from a I grew up in a farming community so yeah I grew up in a suburban you know environment in the Midwest and I think that's

[00:47:23] either gonna be entirely white or racially diverse but to be fair we were always close to one of the big cities, at least one of the more medium sized cities in Ohio so that probably helps you know

[00:47:36] having that sort of connection to it you know speaking of the music though what do you think of all the music and like production that they did for this game the original need for speed

[00:47:47] it's not bad it's not as good as road rash like yeah road rash stuff is phenomenal they didn't go super like licensee on this one like they really went more into the license

[00:47:59] music with later the later games I feel like they couldn't have board it at this time because EA is still like I mean they have money but they're not like a huge conglomerate yet you know

[00:48:09] I think they also wanted to focus more on the actual they they didn't want to fill the disk up so much with the the music this time around because they want to put more into the actual

[00:48:19] game for sure for sure because my because I still had that issue with road rash where like the music just wouldn't play for me for some reason like in the menus it was there but in the

[00:48:31] game it wasn't you would just hear the constant of the motorcycle but then I would turn it off and then the game would just be dead quiet except for the occasional when you try to hit

[00:48:45] somebody off of a motorcycle which was weird but like I'm watching it was kind of meditative because there was that sound yeah but yeah I think this game does a better job with the presentation

[00:48:57] in that regard um and yet it definitely feels like the like a precursor to like a more grand tourism style sim racer you know because I wouldn't be surprised if a polyphony digital

[00:49:10] I think if I'm saying that right um played this game and thought oh we could go even further than this you know because even the first grand tourism I was more semi than this but it's not

[00:49:21] impossible to play at least for my experience with it we always got our member polyphonies uh first game was a was a cart racer that it was the um shit what was that game called motor tune grand pre

[00:49:34] that's right I've never played that game it's really fun like you can you can see a lot of like the early polyphony like touching it touching it and it's it's a fun little racer we never got the first one

[00:49:46] though we only got the second one yeah at outside of grand tourism they've only done like a couple of other games like they did like a shoot them up called Omega Boost that it so that game is really

[00:49:58] interesting to me because it's the only non-racing game they've ever made and yes it was actually made so during that point of time a lot of polyphonies staff was actually composed of um they had

[00:50:12] absorbed basically after Sega shut down a team in drama they had absorbed a bunch of a team in drama into polyphonies and that was basically the basically the panjadrekoon themes like final

[00:50:25] hara doing to that real shooter so we can connect panzers your goo and saga to grant her ismo yeah no in an interesting kind of metal way man no man is an island I think they also did a motorcycle racing game called like Torstrofie at one point

[00:50:44] yeah the real writing simulator i love giant their names yeah and then they oh yeah then they remade the original grand tourism on the ps3 is grand tourism of hd zekrek kind of it was like a semi remake yeah it's called hd concept which i'm like you don't

[00:51:02] release a game called hd concept that was wrong the development of play of grand tourism of five isn't really fucking interesting because it took forever yeah as they had fucking prologue came out in

[00:51:16] 2007 then the game came out in 2010 because they had hd concept which never got a physical release it only released digitally that was just to test the waters of hd then they did prologue and they

[00:51:29] were like look what we can do with hd then it's like the full game is coming soon here's a psp game oh i've played the psp tourism that that's a solid game as much as like there as much as I

[00:51:43] think forza has a clip stuff in a lot of ways you can't deny poly phony makes great great stuff oh for sure for sure yeah like like i've had more i've put more time into the force of series

[00:51:55] overall you know of course i'm an Xbox guy and i think like forza horizon is probably like the premier racing series even though it's funny to see people online complain about like oh forza one

[00:52:07] and two were good or no once you three were good before and five are bad and i'm like what the fuck you people complaining about and grandjuries are fans do the same thing so what i've gathered

[00:52:19] is the forza horizon series has involved much past three and that four and five were just kind of more of the same and there is some truth in that but i feel it's like they're so good it doesn't matter

[00:52:31] like because horizon five is a jrfong game to play even horizon four and three are also super fun to play so i don't care that much um and the team that makes them fucking can't think of their

[00:52:43] name off time i had um they're working on the fable reboot now so it'll probably be a good while before we get playground playground yeah it'll be a while before we get like another horizon game from them because the fable reboot hopefully that's next that's not 24 they'll probably

[00:52:59] be 25 i think but that's fine they'll give me enough time to play that series but in any case yeah the world of racing games is an interesting kind of world you know because it's like

[00:53:14] it's such a basic concept you know it's like racing games have been around forever because it's like the easiest thing to make a game out of right and there are so many different styles of racing

[00:53:25] games oh yeah you never in spec racing games to be one of the most like diverse series in gaming yeah but well first yeah and then but then being some of the most popular makes all the sense

[00:53:38] in the world especially with like you know how grand tourism modes like they're like even the PS3 games look amazing like even by if that came out today people would be like that show looks good you know

[00:53:51] um and then you just kind of mix that with like some games having better pick up and play game play than others you know it's just so easy to kind of enjoy a racing game you know oh yeah but

[00:54:04] not everybody's gonna be like you who just knows all the in and outs of all these different series and it's kind of a kind of sewer of the racing genre must be for gonna be like me for like

[00:54:13] oh I play a few of them here and there and they're really good see the thing about racing games that's so fun is like because they straddle that weird line of like sports games a lot of them are

[00:54:25] like worthless and um yeah just go to like any retro game store browse say their ps1 like ps2 xbox like like uh used game library and you'll find like 30 racing games often like a $1 or $2

[00:54:39] a piece so it's like yeah that is weird because I don't consider racing games sports games I think they're their own genre you know yeah they straddle that weird line and it's like because of

[00:54:51] that I mean it makes a great for collectors of them but but then also there are some racing games that are just incredibly expensive like um yeah like I think one of the most expensive

[00:55:02] uh GBA games is um like a Sega Rally GT championship or whatever like that game is ridiculously priced uh Tokyo Extreme Race or two on the Dreamcast is like absurdly expensive for whatever

[00:55:16] yeah like you'll get those ones here and there that are like why is that so pricey because you see and you're like it's just a racing game you know like um well there's car bad lyrgio but that's kind

[00:55:26] of like a car racer or PG kind of thing you know that's a little different um oh yeah motor racer advance that's the one that's like loose is like almost 200 bucks and it's like

[00:55:39] why the fuck is this game almost 200 it's just a racing game you know like imagine imagine like like the grand terizmos like I'm sure they're not worthless but they're not like super fucking expensive so they're they're cheap because they were all oh produced a hell

[00:55:56] and there's tons of them out there yeah like isn't the best selling game on the PS1 grand terizmo see the grand terizmo grand terizmo two oh yes which is I think PS2 is now PS2 is a GTA

[00:56:10] sand and driest but I think oh yeah Sony game is grand terizmo three yeah like that's just so wacky you know oh yeah but people like their racing games it's I mean to be fair though grand terizmo still

[00:56:24] I think was a cultural phenomenon when I came out yeah I think that was the right game at the right time because it it being a racing game with that kind of style definitely appealed to the PS1

[00:56:38] audience that they were trying to get at the time and and it kind of goes with that this real thing of like a video game so it's like oh yeah I gotta have a racing game

[00:56:47] because it's fun because they're at the end of the day they're so they're fun and when they're made well like a redress or type four a burnout paradise of four as a horizon five

[00:56:56] like those games are fun you know and you can spend hours just driving around and just doing random shit or just constantly going in races over and over even Mario Kart how do you

[00:57:06] fucking brought up Mario Kart because I think it's overrated but like but their great games you know like Mario Kart 8 is still is one of the best selling games of all time you know which is a

[00:57:15] fucking incredible it is but I'm sick of it but when the next Mario Kart comes out Mario Kart 9 or 10 or wherever the fuck it's gonna be called like that game's gonna sell like crazy we all know it we're all gonna buy it we're all gonna play it so

[00:57:38] we're all gonna be mad about getting blue shield yeah as we always do but it is what it is so yeah but yeah coming around the originally for speed I mean it's not a bad game for what

[00:57:50] it is for being the first in a series it holds up a lot better than you'd think it would it's not perfect but I do know those men used to help yeah those men used need help and it does

[00:58:01] have it does feel aged in a lot of ways but I think it holds up a lot better than some would give a credit for and it birthed the series that still goes strong to this day you know it's kind of a

[00:58:13] like a mid tier series I guess that it's like a series we know about and that it sells well but we wouldn't consider it like this big juggernaut series like say a grand terizmo or even like a

[00:58:24] fourza yeah you know where those are kind of elevated to be like those are the big ones right even like a Mario Kart like those are the big ones need for speeds like right below that

[00:58:34] but it still hangs and you know who knows I may start dipping my toes into some more of them especially because with game pass you know they're all available there the fact that we

[00:58:44] up here it is was game pass sound downloaded it and so and it's been a great ass time so yeah no by far so before we get into must play a stay away okay I will say no memory manager

[00:58:59] I will I mean yeah what saved data do you have in this game except your high score maybe but yeah not a lot I'll even know how it how it gauges that score I have no idea

[00:59:11] yeah okay so for must play okay stay away I'm gonna say I'm gonna say must play I'm gonna I'm gonna go there because I feel like it's such a piece of history and it doesn't it's

[00:59:27] not in theory eating it's so it's not like it's not like alone the dark where you play and you're like yeah I get why this is important but this plays like shit you can play a

[00:59:38] need for speed to be like I get why this is important and it's still pretty fun to play in a lot of ways I'm gonna say must play I agree it I said you don't

[00:59:49] fucking it's a must play that's what I said when I was playing it because it's not a bad game by any means you know it's historically important it's surprisingly holds up and it's kind of

[01:00:00] worth playing to sort of see the evolution of racing games you know like this is sort of how we get from virtual racing the grand terizmo is like this game basically so it's important in that context

[01:00:14] and a birth the series that you still go on and still has its fans so it's it's it's 40 30 year anniversary next year 30 I trust me I know and yeah like that series still has its fans

[01:00:33] and it's a series that hasn't like completely dropped off as far as I know it never had a surprisingly for any a series it never had like a period of just like oh all these games are shit

[01:00:45] you know there's probably some bad ones in there but for the most part people still talk about the series well they're like yeah those games still hold up so I don't think there's a need that

[01:00:55] count for something yeah like I don't think there's a need for speed that like I've seen where people have been like don't play that one I'm pretty sure most people I'm sure there is one though

[01:01:06] I'm sure there's some that are considered me but like there isn't like a like a sonic o6 in there where it's like this game it's just trash oh if there is one please let us know because I want to

[01:01:19] play that one yeah so I then other question I have is obviously in terms of racing games for 3D that we played so far I mean it's better than crash or burn that's not even an argument yeah

[01:01:32] the real question is though need for speeder road rash like oh road rash yeah because road rash is such an anomaly of our ever game kind of in general that it perfectly

[01:01:46] fits the 3D out as a console this weird anomaly where his need for speed is still really good but there are better versions of it in other places true but it is still up there it's like something

[01:01:58] to be worth playing yeah because I mean I still say out of all the games we've played so far I still put road rash at number one like best game on the system yeah honestly this is probably number two

[01:02:11] yeah it's like this and then madden I think are like the three best games for the system at the moment I honestly three EA games racing and racing and sports that's what the 3D out is best I guess

[01:02:22] yeah I mean I guess the best original game other than that I mean it's like either like return fire like twisted but those are like hard to read that I'd give that to return fire

[01:02:35] yeah because I really enjoyed return fire was twisted like I still think about that game once in a while but I never think about putting it in again I just felt that was weird I subjected a

[01:02:46] friend of mine to that and he still talks to me so I'm just interested in this yeah twisted is definitely a game I recommend like playing with like people who have never experienced it

[01:02:57] just to see the insurance oh for sure like if like if I ever like if I ever find a woman desperate enough to date me I'm gonna be like babe you have to play this game with me and I'm gonna make her play

[01:03:09] and that will be fun or when my son gets old enough I'm gonna try to play this with him just to see how he feels about it as well because that'd be interesting to get like a 7 or 8

[01:03:19] year olds take on this game yeah so I feel like he'd either like it or just be like we just do something else that oh please wait can I play the switch like yeah go play the switch

[01:03:32] so yeah that's awesome but yeah so another double must play we've had a couple I think we've had like three of them at this point now yeah thanks no I think it's literally road-rash

[01:03:44] maddened in this oh yeah I know where my priorities are I mean it's good because we've had a bunch of sneakers lately because I mean the last couple games were like if we're like D I mean it's it's

[01:03:58] horror games typically don't age well I mean hell I was looking at footage of I think it was outlast recently and that game's not even that old but I'm like man this doesn't hold up

[01:04:09] it's not even that old yeah so you just gotta get who are done right you know yeah all right well this one we made about now or so I figured this is a good time good enough time

[01:04:24] is I need to sign off um guess before we do that though what game do you think we should play next? well I gave you two choices and it was um though we could maybe throw it to the audience if you want

[01:04:37] I was thinking let's do some a little different and uh choose some puzzle games and there were two puzzle games that came to mind one is icebreaker which is like a game where you're a triangle

[01:04:50] and you shoot other triangles and then a game called the incredible machine which is essentially rubgoberg contraption the video game so both of them I've played and I have feelings on both already

[01:05:04] but um but either if you want to decide it now or if you want to lead the left listeners decide for us I'm cool either way you know last time we did a poll it went very well so

[01:05:17] I think actually yeah let's do that and I guess if we need a third puzzle game I can throw in being high triple threat I guess if you want if you talk about just a moshong game yeah if it's

[01:05:28] it is but if we can get an hour out of that we're fucking geniuses if we can get half it happen hour out of that that might be impressive yeah out of a of a flash game

[01:05:41] it's got a really catchy background song that's about all I guess I'll give it that yeah so we'll we're on a poll so I and Jought is it icebreaker? Icebreaker yeah if you

[01:05:52] not play icebreaker I don't think I have I'll have to look into that okay I'll be here so you take on it yeah so I'll do that a poll icebreaker incredible machine and Shanghai is a joke

[01:06:05] someone's gonna vote for it as a joke or they're gonna make us play it I don't know I'm gonna hate you people if you do that will over on the the novel console one is probably gonna vote for

[01:06:16] just a troll us but of course of course yeah yeah so we'll do that so I'll definitely have that going on the Twitter by the time yeah this will be up tomorrow so sounds good but anyways guys

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[01:06:55] my old King Crimson podcast frame by frame has returned we finally did an episode on the song Starless ending the red album so it's probably that that shows probably coming back in a

[01:07:08] more semi regular basis so if you're interested in anything King Crimson please check that podcast out I would greatly appreciate it it's um it's a pet project I've had for a long time but I'm glad

[01:07:20] to see it getting somewhat back so if y'all listen to that I would greatly appreciate it yeah I'll throw a link to that in the description for this episode all right and with that guys we will see you all later