The 3DO Experience - Episode 18: Bill And Thrak Chat #2: Holiday Edition!

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[00:00:37] Hello everybody and welcome back to the 3DO Experience, the 3DO Retrospective podcast where we talk about the 3DO company, the system and everything in between. I am Bill and this is Thrak, I do and Thrak. Hey Bill, I'm doing pretty alright. How are you doing?

[00:00:52] I'm doing pretty good just trying to get through the rest of December for the most part. Christmas is at the time of this release is like going to be literally like less than a week away, which is kind of insane but

[00:01:06] you're one of those guys who hates Christmas right? No, not really. I like it more when it's just about family and not about commercialization and all that. Oh, oh we all know what it's about.

[00:01:24] It's about anything else at least in American and life and culture and that is commodity consumption.

[00:01:32] You're your entire personality as you can see behind me my entire personality is dictated by what I spend my money on and as you can see it's music and video games and sports. Of course. What else is there? There's nothing else.

[00:01:51] Yeah, it's I do like this time of the year though just because like people do generally get somewhat nicer when they're not insane shopping people. You see my interaction with people around this time is when they are in the store buying stuff so that's fair.

[00:02:08] And from my experience being a retail worker for many years. Most people are fine. They're not too bad, but in summer actually decently nice, but you get a couple that are just really shitty for summer. Yeah, but it's everywhere.

[00:02:27] Yeah, but I think most people the most people with a group me for the most part customers are okay, you know like if you just kind of leave alone. Yeah.

[00:02:39] Oh, but so for this episode we're not really we've mentioned last week we're not going to be jumping into our next game quite yet. We're going to take a little break in between just have more time to actually get through the game.

[00:02:52] So need for speed is coming, but it'll be next week. We do not have a need for speed for this episode.

[00:03:00] So this episode's more of kind of just getting close to the end of the year and we figured we just chat about gaming in general some stuff going on in the industry.

[00:03:08] Games we played this year, what basically just stuff that's going on just this will be another general chat episode. Well, I can tell you one thing and that is in the tales of the discord backlog.

[00:03:19] I got my secret Santa stuff already and this and this mother fucker bought me two games. He got me DMC, the reboot. The definitive edition and I think you'll like this one he got me tales of a rise.

[00:03:34] And I went God damn it because I was going to play with Sparia and I still want to play with Sparia, but he bought me a rise so I feel like I should play that one.

[00:03:45] But as you have said before it's better to play an older tales game like play them like the earlier ones before the later ones right. Well I like to say play like when I say older I mean more like middle of the range kind of.

[00:04:02] Well what I mean is that like if I say play tales of a rise and then try to go back and play the Sparia I'm going to be like, oh this isn't that good.

[00:04:12] So arises a bit of a special kind of case because Tales of a rise really. He had a lot of different stuff for the series.

[00:04:23] I'd say more like say playing like Zelia or like Berseria and then trying to go back to like a bis or symphony or something. Okay, so arises like it's own thing.

[00:04:35] Yeah, arise is the series is definitely trying a new direction out and not sure how I feel about it yet. I'm curious what the next game's going to be. Because the footage I saw of it reminded me a little bit of like ease eight and nine. Zera.

[00:04:55] So they're going for more of an action aspect to it this time around. The biggest controversial point with arises that they got rid of the series like most iconic feature. Which is the not the skits, it's the the multiplayer.

[00:05:12] Oh yeah, yeah, because I always forget these games are co-op. Yeah, during battles like it.

[00:05:17] It's not detrimental to the game like without not having it, but it's just something that like it's such a cool idea that not having it for some arbitrary reason is just kind of weird. I can see that I can see that.

[00:05:31] But yeah, maybe one of these days I can I can let the people know about my Tales experience so we'll see I now own three Tales games. Symphonia, your favorite the Sparia which is really good. I've played a bit of it and arise so there we go.

[00:05:52] This is too expensive. Yeah, unfortunately a business only available on PlayStation 2 and 3DS and yeah. Neither are quite cheap at the moment so. But on the plus side.

[00:06:04] The guy who's now the head of the tale series he has said he's open to doing more like remasters and remakes and bringing. The legacy titles up like he's he's down to do it. He just needs to know which ones to do I guess.

[00:06:19] So I think you need to make a stink about your your love of a best so we can get it again and I and I imagine that's probably one they will do since it's it's a fan favorite and and I.

[00:06:33] It's weird you say people don't really like it because the reception I've read about it has been positive pretty generally. It's just I think symphonia is more is the more remembered one see the business problem is it's shoved in between.

[00:06:47] Symphonia and Vesparia to of the most popular games in the series. Yeah, and this isn't even dislike it's more it's overlooked in a lot of ways like the thing with the business like.

[00:06:59] The people that played it generally love it a lot of people who haven't played it they. See like the first quarter of the game and hate the main character and don't want to pick it up. So it's like so caliber three.

[00:07:15] Um, so in silk over three does the character get better. Well what I mean by that is so caliber three got sandwiched between its two popular brother. I mean, the two was huge at the time and it was multiplayer and everybody loved that.

[00:07:31] And from what I remember Sony got pissed that their version sold the worst so they got it exclusively for the PS2 for the sequel and then like nobody really played it. And then silk caliber four when that jumped to three 16 ps three.

[00:07:45] At least with my friend group it was a big deal when that came out. And it still remains I think one to the more popular entries in the franchise. In fact, I re-bought it and I was very happy to own it again.

[00:07:56] So when it's the two that sort of that surrounded our three and five it's kind of expected it's going to be well regarded. Yeah, that's true. That's true.

[00:08:07] Nothing gets three I think three's biggest issues the fact that it's exclusively on PlayStation 2 and also it has a game breaking memory. Yeah, but three has probably the best single player content of the entire series.

[00:08:20] Which is a shame and then five isn't bad five's just kind of planned you know like when did five come out I forget what year that was 20 it was like.

[00:08:32] Yeah, it was like a later PS three era when to say yeah and then they had I think was at CO from Assassin's Creed which was an okay choice. But it just seemed kind of whatever.

[00:08:45] Yeah, but that game was mostly like lambasset for its story mode which was kind of me. Yeah, I haven't played five in a long time. I played it a friend's house once and I was like this plays like four but not good four.

[00:08:59] That makes any sense and then I've never touched six I do have six but I've got six is okay.

[00:09:06] Yeah, it has a girl which is cute and to be the internet's the internet's favorite so but you know I hope they do I think they'll do seven at some point it just depends on. Bamboo like air.

[00:09:23] Well, I think they have to get taken take an eight out the gate first because that seems to be their big problem because they have two of the biggest finding game franchises so you know they have to kind of balance it out. But in any case.

[00:09:36] Did you see a. James McAfrey dead?

[00:09:40] Yeah, yeah, Max Payne that that sucked man because I know it was because they're working on the because they're working on the remakes of one and two and I was just assuming they were going to get him back but I guess not now.

[00:09:54] I don't really like and just to take his lines from the games and just reuse them because he's they'd have an aged badly. I think it depends on what they want to do with the story.

[00:10:03] True, you know and and I assume you know the story of with McAfrey and three. Uh not really what's going on with that one so when Rockstar announced Max Payne three McAfrey didn't even know about it in fact.

[00:10:21] He had talked about how he wanted to reprise the role and I think it was something that.

[00:10:27] Like Rockstar wasn't going to use him initially but he kind of made a stink about it on the internet and got some fan backing on it so it caused Rockstar to basically be like, okay we'll get you in and not only did he record his voice from Max Payne three he also did the mo cap and then he's and they used his likeness.

[00:10:47] Well so Max Payne three is the most McCabri of the Max Payne's. So he got that thing. Not as good as one and two but it's still a good game. Oh it's good they're all good like okay so I played the entire trilogy last year.

[00:11:03] Um actually in between my playing of Yakuza like a dragon and I think all three games do something better than the other two like I think all three are great.

[00:11:14] But all three of them have something that makes it stand out like one in my opinion has the best like atmosphere and immersion. Like I love the snowy New York streets going into these horrible dark dingy apartment buildings.

[00:11:30] The weird dream sequences with the bad platforming, the comic book panel storyline, like a storyline stuff like all of that is fantastic and it's iconic. And even just down the like Sandlake's weird face. Yeah, the lemon face.

[00:11:44] Yes the lemon face and even going up that weird like high tech building at the end of it like the whole game is memorable even if it has an aged well. It's all incredibly memorable Max Payne two in my opinion has the best story.

[00:11:59] I love Max Payne two story because I mean the fall of Max Payne it has a double meaning to it and it's just it's told so well and

[00:12:09] it ends with this very optimistic note of you know, you can get over like trauma and greed and that we can learn to move on.

[00:12:19] Not let these things consume us essentially though somebody else has to dive for him to realize that spoiler sorry but Max Payne three despite having the worst story in my opinion like it's well written in everything but coming off of Max Payne two which is feels like a step back.

[00:12:37] You can tell remedy didn't do it.

[00:12:39] Well yeah like Dan Houser and Sam Lake are completely different writers, which is fine but I think if Max Payne three was like a sequel to Max Payne one it would be fine right but just coming off of two it just gave me whip lash almost but I will say three has the best game play.

[00:12:58] Yeah I love how that game plays oh my god like that's some of the best third person shooting ever in a video game. Bar none.

[00:13:06] So and I usually say to people if they want to play just one of the Max Payne's I would say play three especially since one and two were getting those remakes in a couple years and those will probably be the definitive versions of them.

[00:13:20] I'd say go ahead and play three they'll probably never do anything special with it anyways they may remaster it whatever that means but.

[00:13:28] Beyond that you know just play Max Payne for now it is really good and as a standalone story it's perfectly fine just in connection with the other two it always kind of. I mean it's not a lot of other stuff is well like a lot of TV's.

[00:13:47] He was he was on some soap opera that was big. Yeah I think we've all been on a soap opera at some point. Yeah even if we didn't know about it. It's funny you bring up that the voice actor story and that reminds me a lot of the.

[00:14:02] The you remember the slide Cooper movie that just never happened. Yes yes I do they they showed the trailer and they it had. Slide Murray and Bentley in it and. Murray and Bentley's voices were the same ones from the game but they read cast slide for no reason.

[00:14:19] Yeah yeah I assume that's Miller came out and I did do it. No Kevin Milner came out and he's like they never asked me. Like he was like he was like what the hell.

[00:14:31] It's weird how common that is with like voice actor specifically that they just like don't say anything to him even the like a McAfrey or whatever. Like they don't say anything they just sort of move on or also.

[00:14:47] Let's just I forget the the original voice of crados you know I forget his. Yeah I forget his name but yeah I forget his name but like he got interviewed once and.

[00:14:59] He had talked about how they liked his voice at the start right and then I think it was a sentient.

[00:15:06] They had him do mocap or as well as the voice but the original voice of crados he's he's kind of more of a I hate to use the term scrawny but he's like a smaller dude.

[00:15:19] In comparison to what you assume like a greatest to be right and so they had issues with the mocap and everything and with that big break between.

[00:15:28] Was a sentienter three which one was last I forget a sentienter okay so between a sentient in 18 there was clearly a change and that they wanted to do something different. So they had like said it so they moved on to get what's his name Christopher Christopher judge.

[00:15:47] Correct and and he does a great job like he's a bigger you know the bigger guys who we can do the mocap and he has a real deep voice you know it's iconic and everything.

[00:15:57] And yeah the original guy should I need to look as name up as I'm saying all this like.

[00:16:03] Terence C Carson. Terence C Carson thank you like basically in the interview he said he understands they wanted to move on and do something different and he completely respects that he just wish that they would have like told him.

[00:16:18] Yeah you know saying that hey we're going to move on or whatever he felt he kind of got. Just kind of thrown to the side for somebody else but that seems to be an issue with voice acting in general.

[00:16:29] Like yeah like regardless of the whole the infamous Helena Taylor situation yeah bring that up like regardless of how that all went down which went down really poorly we also that in real time move.

[00:16:45] If anything it just it did show the sort of the treatment that's voice actors get in the industry which is like shit you know unless you're one of the big names and even if you're one of the big names like say.

[00:16:59] What's his name Troy Baker Troy Baker when he like with the whole tales of a spary thing where he said he said he said he would it on it and they just didn't ask him because they didn't think he would be willing to do it or he would ask for too much money.

[00:17:13] They didn't think he'd want to reprise his most iconic like star making role exactly it's like if. Sony decided to make like a like an uncharted one remake which I totally think they should do and don't ask no one and it's like.

[00:17:31] That would everyone be like why the fuck didn't you ask him like he's right there like I'm sure he would say in a heartbeat like you'd probably not even ask for that much to do it.

[00:17:41] But I don't know yeah Sony's a weird spot because speaking of Sony I didn't look into the details of it but there is that the insomniac leak that happened.

[00:17:52] Yeah, the all so the game footage was kind of like whatever it's like happens I didn't look at any of that.

[00:18:00] So it was a bunch of games got this all of insomniacs like data got leaked in a bunch of games footage and stuff got shown the concerning thing was a bunch of like passports and travel stuff got like.

[00:18:11] Yeah, just not the personal information I think is the real shitty part because I'm seeing a little bit of discourse of people saying like people complaining about like.

[00:18:21] Talking about like gaming leaks and all that and if you should do it if it's journalism or whatever and it's like.

[00:18:27] It technically is because it's something that happened and you're just kind of reporting on it but the whole personal information thing really sucks, but I didn't look at anything sound me acleaks because I don't really care.

[00:18:39] You know what I mean? Like there's you inspired me into well they did spider-man to people seem to be like. I mean, I don't know what I mean. Well they announced that a while ago.

[00:18:49] But that little trailer for the Wolverines looks which looks I mean we'll see what it is I don't think they could just do like spider-man but Wolverine like I think it needs to be different.

[00:19:01] I think if they use that Xman origin's game as the basis and do something different based on that I think it'll be really good. I don't know what else was in that league as far as whether their games were in there.

[00:19:14] I mean, if you want to say I'm I don't really care but. I just saw the Wolverine one and then saw like the travel stuff was getting leaked and I was like that's not good. Yeah, that's that's where I feel bad for all those people.

[00:19:25] I don't know if people look so different for like change their passports and shit. I don't even know how you do that sound. I'm kind of impressed that a so Sony's owned in Sonic for like five years now. I want to say it feels like more.

[00:19:39] Yeah, it's been longer longer than it seems but on the May is dead still there of Ted Price. Because what's weird is that Sony technically owns the I owns this IP. Yeah, yeah it's a Sony franchise that's only ever released on a Microsoft console.

[00:19:59] Yeah, because they technically like they can't release this game on PlayStation like Microsoft owns this because they published it. Yeah, I'm publishing rights but the IP itself is.

[00:20:11] So if they wanted to do a sunset overdrive to and make it Sony exclusive they could totally do that but I don't think they're ever going to do that. Well, especially because all sunshine overdrive is just edgy, redgening like.

[00:20:24] Yeah, it's what I've heard back. I think Dave's been playing it and it's on my it's on my to play list. In fact, this is one of the first Xbox games I bought along with like rise son of Rome and shit.

[00:20:35] I played through rise son of Rome and it was it was a game. Yeah. I borrowed a friend's Xbox one to play sunset overdrive. I was like, this is good like it's definitely in some. Yeah, but I'm like this is just edgy, you're actually going.

[00:20:49] But that's not like a bad thing. No, it's it's not a bad thing just it was just kind of like I'm like, you know, I don't think we're really missing that much not playing it so yeah,

[00:20:59] Yeah, but it reminds me of I barely played Ratchet and Clank in my life. It's a great series. I preferred slide personally out of some of the. Oh yeah, I'm a slide boy. I like sliding. I like Jack and Dexter, particularly the first one.

[00:21:17] The most Jack and Dexter I've played is Daxter on the PSP or playing it on the Vita and I got halfway through it and I just got kind of bored and stopped playing it.

[00:21:30] It's repetitive. It's fun, but yeah, very repetitive and it feels like there isn't any story. Like it doesn't really go anywhere. Well, because it's like it's like a mid quilt that's supposed to explain what Dexter was doing between one and two.

[00:21:46] Yeah, yeah, and I'm sure if you're like a huge Dexter, Daxter, lower fan like it's great, but It was whatever. Yeah. Yeah, that's a series. Well, not so much Jack and Dexter, I think that ship sailed. I really want to say it along that.

[00:22:05] I would love for slide to come back as well. I'm a big slide Cooper fan. I've beaten every game in the series probably twice or some show like that. Like like slide two is like one of my favorite games of all time.

[00:22:19] But the question is who's going to make it because Some of the fun and it's like a bunch is busy. Yeah, they're doing ghosts of whatever and I think they would like to do another slide Cooper game.

[00:22:30] I just don't think Sony would let them do it, especially when we see how big the budgets are getting for these Sony games. Like I don't see Sony wanting to put like $200 million into a slide Cooper five. You know, like I just I just don't see that happening.

[00:22:47] And then you have the other dev Sansa through games, who I guess do VR games now. Yeah, they're owned by they got purchase. I think Facebook owns them though. Okay, because because I remember when I was watching the game awards, which I do regret watching.

[00:23:01] Like Sansa who showed up with some like weird VR game and when I saw their logo, I'm like way to minute or those that's thieves and time people sure enough they were so they're they also made like Nancy drew on the Wii.

[00:23:15] They made the two three DS Sonic boom games. He like the only decent Sonic boom games. Well, there you go. That makes them better than dims. Yeah. So they're owned by Oculus studios which basically means they're owned by a.

[00:23:31] Okay, so they work with John Carmack or wait no he's retired from that. Yeah, he like left he went to go do that for like a couple of years and then such fuck it up done.

[00:23:41] Yeah, and now occasionally live streams of John or Mara talking to a doom. Which is funny as hell. It was cute to see because it's like the two johns back together. Because it's like two different forms of autism like just chatting with each other basically.

[00:23:57] You know, that's great. Did you see any of that my house like do mod that was going around for a while? No. I don't keep up with doomsupp. I've barely played the reboot when I I shit sit down and properly play the reboot because I started playing it.

[00:24:14] And I was like, this is good, but I'm not sure what people are like losing their shit over. But I imagine it's one of those. It gets even better as you keep going. Because like, because there was no music.

[00:24:28] Like there was no soundtrack and I'm like, I need that fucking music guys. I assume it shows up later. I just didn't get bar enough. It was a big love letter to like fans of like boomer shooters. So oh yeah, because I've played the original doom. Love it.

[00:24:44] Play Doom 2 is more of the same. Doom 3, I really need to sit down and play because it is different. Very different. So I've been playing. I've been playing. 64. Do you see four is a lot of fun. That's the true doom three for the original series.

[00:24:58] This is all you hate doom three. No, no, no, no, no. I'm just saying it's the true doom three in terms of chronologic old order because it's actually part on the original series. Oh yeah, because doom 3 is its own thing or is it like you're in the future?

[00:25:11] It's like a semi reboot. It's unclear. Yeah, because 2016 was supposed to be Doom 4, I think. It started out as Doom 4 and then they got canceled and then brought back as 2016. Yeah, a friend of mine described is like,

[00:25:27] Doom 2016 is a very good game, but Doom Eternal is a fantastic game. So you play Doom 2016 to play Doom Eternal because Eternal looks in fucking sane. But it's good. It's a very good game. Yeah, they're both on the last. I'm not even asked so I'll get there.

[00:25:44] And I'm not even a big first person shooter guy. So I like FPS's. But they're part of my regular rotation where it's like, I find myself playing third person games more. But I need an FPS to kind of break it up everyone's no while.

[00:25:59] Like I played through Titanfall 2 and that was, Have you played Titanfall 2? I have not because I wasn't a fan of the first one. I should probably play two because I've heard it significantly better. That campaign is fantastic. That's like, like, what everybody says about it, they're correct.

[00:26:16] Like it's, I beat it in less than eight hours. And for what it was, it was a really well told story. B.T. is probably one of my favorite side characters in games ever now. Like the Titan that you're like he has his own personality. He's fantastic.

[00:26:31] And yeah, it's a super fun game. It is kind of boomer shooter e because it's very fast-paced. You know, it's a little like wall running and sliding. I described it as if Vanquish was a first person shooter that has like a neck parts.

[00:26:44] And the mech shooting is just different enough from the on what shooting to feel like it's its own thing. You know, it's just, it's a very cleverly made first version shooter. You know, it's very clever in what it does.

[00:27:01] And I think those are the same guys who did a fallen order and survivor. So respond entertainment. Yeah. Is that pretty good? I hope he doesn't kill them because so far they're pretty good. They're doing good right now, so they're still safe.

[00:27:14] The second they have a sticker than their control. Well, I almost think that respawn might be the EA dev studio that they just be like you're the single player guys. Like you make the single player games. Right? That's a kind of getting away with that player. Yeah, exactly.

[00:27:31] And then by aware is just kind of in its the weird state of flux right now. I feel, I'm worried about them. I just want to know what that new mass effects going to be. That's like. Well, we still don't know anything about dragon.

[00:27:45] We've seen more of the new mass effect than dragon age dread fall. Yeah. You know, I still don't play the dragon age games but like they've announced dragon age dread fall and

[00:27:54] they're like that's what's coming before mass effect four or I don't think they're going to call a mass effect four. I think that's too daunting of a. They're going to be lame. They're going to be lame and just call it mass effect again or something.

[00:28:07] They better not do that. They better not. But I think calling it mass effect four is too daunting of a title. Well, especially because it's how we're going to follow three. Yeah, is it going to be standalone or is it actually going back to the original continuity?

[00:28:23] I think it is a sequel because that original like end seven trailer from a couple years ago. Like it shows the. I forget what it's called the the ships that you jump through. Oh, the warp gates. The warp gates.

[00:28:37] Yeah, like it shows one that's destroyed and chose a bunch of stuff that's blown up and it looks like the remnants of the Reaper war from three. So, and I think it canonizes the destroy ending which kind of makes sense.

[00:28:50] Like, I mean we could go in a whole discussion about the mass spectry ending but I think the destroy ending is the can and one because it makes the most sense to me. Yeah, the other two don't make any sense.

[00:29:03] No, so I think they're going to canonize the destroy ending but the destroy ending where shepherd lives. Because there's that little like rubble bit where it's like you hear like the breath and it's like oh yeah, there's some house revived.

[00:29:19] The twitch like the twitch that like people still argue about to this day. No, that means shepherd's alive like why else would they have that?

[00:29:27] Well, I love like I love what like the fans like going to their like weird like crazy like trying to justify things where they're like he can't be alive. He's dead.

[00:29:36] So the thing I'm like right about like what's already it's like what would stop from doing it again.

[00:29:41] It's a video game like and all bitch y'all bitch about the three ending anyways, but so like why would bringing back shepherd make it any like worse like I don't think that would be necessarily a bad thing like I imagine the plot of a new mass effect would just be.

[00:30:00] Your team just trying to like keep it together like their whole part they're part of like trying to rebuild the galaxy after the reaper war and like inter conflict is now a road a risen between all of these different species.

[00:30:13] Due to this you know trying to trying to have some form of peace after this and and then and then they start hearing rumors of a.

[00:30:22] It's a separate like they hear like out somewhere you know like there's a guy who looks like shepherd and he's like trying to find his way through the galaxy or something like like I don't think you play a shepherd.

[00:30:34] I wouldn't do that like as him trying to get back that seems boring, you know. You kind of like a like a dragon like you want to a new protagonist but still have the old protagonist around.

[00:30:44] Well, you want to like myth you want to turn them into like a myth like a legend because that's kind of what they were doing by the end of it anyways. That like shepherd is like he's the special one or she's the special one whichever you chose and.

[00:30:57] And I think you kind of want to do that with him and another like a mass effect, you know maybe it's like you start as a brand new recruit that is like trying to help peace everything together right and kind of.

[00:31:09] Be the peacemaker in a way but then you know they're like oh a shepherd did he survive you know I mean there's a lot there's a lot you could do with the new mass effect that I think would be really good.

[00:31:19] But I'm in no hurry for it like take as much time as it needs because it needs to be good. I haven't played in drama to.

[00:31:26] I know people don't like in drama, but I still definitely want to play it so the game plays great and just everything else is. Yeah, all of the place. It's not the Edmonton team right in that game. No.

[00:31:39] Yeah, but what I heard about mass effect three that was interesting was the head writer of one and two left before three. And he had a whole different idea for the ending of three and his ending when I read it I was like hmm like that's good.

[00:32:00] Well at least like the idea that he had for how he would have finished off three because he was his writing was going to be the same thing like it leads into the Reaper war and everything it was it was going to happen.

[00:32:11] So but his idea for finishing it off was trying to I think make more of a statement on things and try to make some that was more heavy but felt like a good ending.

[00:32:22] Yeah, we didn't get it because then we wouldn't but if we did get it we wouldn't get the funny stories of people suing EA or the ending of the re which is the funniest thing I've ever read.

[00:32:34] I never got the hate for three I thought three was a perfectly fine game outside of the ending it's my favorite game in the series but because it's a good.

[00:32:44] Oh it is but because the thing is that the ending of three it's not great it isn't but I think the issue is more in the presentation of it and that it feels like they're not really committing to it.

[00:32:58] You know yeah to me it feels like they got to that point and went oh shit we actually have to do some kind of ending and they thought about it for like 20 minutes and just kind of threw it out there that's the issue I have with it.

[00:33:12] It could have been better but it's not that bad it's really not that's definitely a series I want to finish replaying next year at some point.

[00:33:21] Yeah, go around in the middle of I'm in the middle of one right now the reason one's taking me fucking forever because I'm. Stupidly exploring every fucking lifeless rock with the fucking tank you're playing the legendary edition right. Oh yeah that okay good good good.

[00:33:38] That is the way to play those games nowadays well one specifically because they remade two and three or just they're the same as they were.

[00:33:46] Yeah, the reason also one two because I originally played one on the PS three for then my god you want to talk about shit. Oh God you turned me into a death metal vocalist with that one.

[00:34:00] Yeah like that because we didn't we didn't get one initially on PlayStation three. No it wasn't like what like 2012 or some shit like when they released the trilogy they ported it over and they did a half-assed hoarding job.

[00:34:14] Yeah because it was originally published by Microsoft before the EA buy up. Yeah but that was their last game before the EA buy out at two I think it was yeah or it might have been. Shit Sonic Sonic Chronos fuck that came.

[00:34:34] How in the hell because that game is between I think it's between Mass Effect one and like Dragon Age Origins or some shit like it's in between some of like. Biowars heavy hitters and so on. There's a big idea. See team.

[00:34:50] Yeah they just parted that turn out you know like I definitely want to play through the whole thing. Oh it's worth playing just to see how fucking bad it. It's like yeah this is bioware.

[00:35:02] Yeah because like at the same time a friend of mine's like dude you know there was like a spiral RPG on the DS and I was like what? And I looked into it. And that's better than Sonic Chronicles. Yeah it's what spiral. Shadow Dragon Legacy.

[00:35:17] Yeah and I at first I was like is this going to be like some rough ass like 2D or like turn based RPGs I'm all in. And it's just like a it's like those GBA spiral games but with like RPG elements.

[00:35:31] So I'm just like it's kind of boring. It was made by the same studio that I think did the Sims games on DS. Okay that kind of makes sense hilarious to me. Yeah and the it's not bad but it wasn't worth sitting down and playing the whole thing.

[00:35:51] The the most fascinating thing about it is it's. Before the the remake trilogy it was the final appearance of classic spiral it's actually spiral six technically. Yeah yeah because then they yeah they did the legend reboot stuff which I think it's too much hate like they're not.

[00:36:10] Yeah they're fine they're just like not as good as what people expected them to be I guess you could say. I mean I can understand that it feels like they're trying to do something that's more. What's the word serious. Dark one.

[00:36:28] Yeah edgy edgy that's the word but like but it feels like it's going from like E 10 plus to teen you know what I mean. Yeah it's like I mean I guess but. I don't know.

[00:36:43] But yes on a crackles yeah was between Mass Effect one and Dragon Age of Rich. Good God. What a. That's the word we're to flip on a. By where's resume and I guess technically the first EA published by a where game is Mass Effect galaxy. The iOS one.

[00:37:03] Oh yeah but beyond that it would be Dragon Age origins. Yeah not any of those Mass Effect iOS games existed because. Well it's to be fair I didn't get in the Mass Effect until like last year so.

[00:37:17] Yeah honestly like that's a series I really want to play next year and then the other one I've been saying for a while I'm going to play is I'm going to finally sit down and play Fable.

[00:37:26] Oh fables on my list too especially being the Xbox fuck that I am I need to I need to give fable like I've played through all of years. I started playing a bit of Halo with Chris and.

[00:37:39] And so I'm like fables I've played quite a bit of forza and I do like forza so I'm like I need to give fable to try at least again because I tried fable one didn't like it at all apparently people who is a master piece.

[00:37:54] I tried faith I tried fable to and I really liked it but I didn't get very far in it so but they're like shorter RPGs so I'll sit through. Yeah Matt over on a geek addicts really wants to do an episode on it at some point so yeah.

[00:38:09] But speaking of Chris I'm going to start this guy. Oh yeah it's it's cyberpunk time baby. It's good no so it's perfectly fine. And it's funny because I was thinking about it because the game I just beaten right before this was Assassin's Creed Unity.

[00:38:28] And I think Unity is a good game not a great game but a good game. But if you think about it Unity was like a trailblazer in bad business decisions because in 2014 when it came out. Like games before that didn't release in that kind of state.

[00:38:48] Yeah that was like the beginning of those like criminally broken games coming out at launch. Yes and if you look up like YouTube compilations above stuff from Unity it's hilarious.

[00:38:58] But playing through the game now there's a few bugs and glitches but nothing that like ruins the experience you know. I think another infamous one was like WWV2K 2020. Yeah that was fucking hilarious.

[00:39:13] It was so bad they took a year off to fix to do the 22 and they fixed it in 22 is better. It is better. My favorite part of that whole situation too was like they fired you because they were like we don't need you.

[00:39:26] Like we can do this on our own and then their first game is a fucking shit show. I think they fired you just a couple years before that. Yeah they had and then it was like their first game that was really just a visual concept was like.

[00:39:41] Well because yeah because visual concept was they that's when it became the 2K series. Because before that it was like the SmackDown versus Raw stuff which was Yux and then just WWE 13.

[00:39:53] Like that stuff that was Yux but then when they went over to 2K I believe it changed the visual concepts like so they actually after. They co-developed them for a while like they was using visual concepts were working together.

[00:40:07] Yeah and then they fired Yux and then like the second they fired Yux it went to shit really fast and everyone was like. I think they were kind of important. Yeah and then they took a year off and the newer ones I'm told are better but.

[00:40:22] Yeah visual concept was going to a really bad point there for a while. Yeah they're one of the best but I still remember them for NFL 2K 5. Well yeah they made the best football game ever. Easy and then and now Yux makes the the AEW games.

[00:40:39] Yeah they also made that weird like earth defense force game I came out. Oh oh they made one of those. They made one of the spin-offs like I forget I think it was called like Iron Rain or something. Iron Rain that is sick fucking there.

[00:40:55] It's that is like my favorite like crappy series ever because their games are like pretty like. Stupid but like they're just fun because of it. They made a Pacific Rim game. Probably. No they did I'm looking at their game I've made some UFC games.

[00:41:15] A game to kill somehow. Oh they made a game based on the real steel movie do you remember that? Yeah. Oh boy and the toy and tens were weird. I love looking at the developer the gameography of some developers because it's hilarious sometimes like.

[00:41:35] Ghostbilt ski pets too oh yeah. Oh that's what a series. I was like speaking of wrestling game developers. Everybody knows the famous WWE F no mercy right? Made by everyone's favorite. Aki right the Aki Corporation. They have a weird history don't they?

[00:42:03] Because they still exist but they're not Aki anymore. They are Sin Sophia incorporated and they make and they make like do you know any of this? I knew Aki I didn't know they they've since morphed.

[00:42:20] Yeah so yeah so they stopped being Aki I think was around 2009ish because they made some sim city games for some reason. They did they did the death jam games. Death jam fight for New York's one of my favorites of all time.

[00:42:36] The ultimate muscle game on GameCube was them that came amazing. The last game they made was ready to rumble revolution as Aki but then they switched to. Sin Sophia and then they became known for the style savvy series and the pretty rhythm series.

[00:42:55] So now they do like girly animation. Oh they also did Dragon Quest the adventure of die crossblade. The RK1. Yeah and fashion dreamer like they went from making some of the best wrestling games of all time to making fucking like.

[00:43:14] Well you mean this doesn't look like something that we should all play. Listeners if you want us to play fashion dreamer let us know okay and we'll do it. It's on switch. According to tech radar it nails outfit creation but lacks structure.

[00:43:36] It's like it's like putting a dress on like a pile of ooze like there's no bones. Like looks cute. It's like that your outfit is beautiful but it's a pile of shit. Exactly. I'll wish by oh thank god marvelous and exeed.

[00:43:53] Oh thank god they came in and saved it. Oh yeah the people we the heroes we need but don't deserve. Exeed polishes like the greatest track ever. Oh yeah they're there it should is insane they have a lot of good stuff as well but like.

[00:44:09] They used to publish the yeast in a legend of heroes series. Yeah then they kind of gave up. Well know that and I guess came in and I think. Oh okay.

[00:44:20] Oh yeah no more heroes three man man no more heroes like you guys can't see it but I have the. The switch like special editions of one into like. Oh yeah up there like they're very they're about both of them and I have like the little.

[00:44:36] Travis touchdown like flag or whatever from where he is like I did the whole thing because I really like no more heroes. Jerry played the one. Yes.

[00:44:45] No no I played a bit of one on the Wii back in the day and it was cool but with the switch I played through both of them. In fact I think I'd be no more heroes twice the first one and they've heard a favorite save screen ever.

[00:44:59] As a good save screen. Travis taking a shit. But yeah both games are great though I think too is so much better than one because it trims all the. The love because one was better than it like all the open world shit.

[00:45:14] Yeah which wasn't just bullshit and didn't need to be neat didn't need to exist but we lost the true. Majestic like coconut many.

[00:45:24] See them in the one the mini game I did was the gas because that was the easiest to do and it made you the most money though I didn't hate the lawn mowing. Me.

[00:45:35] Yeah that one was the coconut one sucked as much especially when you did like kind of sharp turns and he would go like oh. I love it. I love it. Robert Robert out can down's just doing like the handiest voice acting ever.

[00:45:50] Yeah so like I was excited to try three and then why have three and I started playing it right and then it's all it's all well and good no issues right. But then it drops me in the open world and I'm like oh this is back.

[00:46:06] Oh no and it's worse. Yeah so bad like I stop playing it. So it can't. And I haven't touched it since which the sad because the game plays so well.

[00:46:17] Yeah the action stuff is solid for sure but I need to eventually maybe next year I should just like just say fucking just play through go whole thing. I'm like I should. I still remember the first time I played no more heroes on the Wii.

[00:46:32] I was I just played it and I got to like the first like re-charging lightsaber section and I just thought I would like what the fuck am I doing? Imagine your parents walking in on that. Yeah I wouldn't be able to explain.

[00:46:47] No I look at it and be like I can't explain mom. Yeah well he is suit I is working on a new game called hotel Barcelona. I'm sure it'll be a good game because everything suit it makes is generally good but just weird as fuck.

[00:47:01] Well I think I think Burger has said this before and there's some truth in it and I think it's it depends on who he's working with. True.

[00:47:10] I think suit as comparable to like Kajima where he has like really good ideas for things but if he doesn't have a team around him to make the game it can be an issue and with suit it's definitely true.

[00:47:24] Like I played through all of um shadows at the dam right and having shinsu mi kami there definitely helps because you shouldn't you. Yeah me but it's just it but it I mean I think a lot of the games issues there is EA again.

[00:47:39] Yeah yeah just kind of like doing the game dirty. Especially when you hear what suit I wanted to do a shadows of the dam originally which was essentially like demon souls before it was even a thing.

[00:47:54] Which that would have been interesting to think of like headshat had suit up in there for like the souls like right before it became a thing in general like who knows where things would be now. Um though I think he said he finally owns it.

[00:48:09] Shows that the dam properly and he's going to do a proper remaster of it and I don't know as maybe people might start saying oh this game was actually good the whole time. And it's like it's a fine game. This is just nothing amazing.

[00:48:22] I still remember a lollipop chain saw when that came out. I remember seeing you like that game like people that's like the biggest like I could explain game well I can't explain game because it's so much more than me.

[00:48:35] Yeah it's like because the game is fucking amazing like it's such a well made game, but it's so funny.

[00:48:41] Yeah it has like literally one of my favorite achievements ever which is the um this the first instance of like upscirt you literally get an achievement that says I swear I didn't mean to. You will get that achievement it is fucking impossible not to get that achievement.

[00:48:59] That's good that's good. It reminds me of I think it's under tail where like all the achievements in the game are just doing normal story stuff and it's just like Toby saying oh I got a great idea for achievements you know he's like oh they're coming I got a good ideas you know he just keeps leading you on.

[00:49:16] That he has someone's like he is nothing it's great. One of my favorite achievements ever is the Stanley parable there's an achievement that's literally like just don't play the game for like 10 years.

[00:49:26] Yeah yeah actually I got a lot because I haven't played it in like since the first time since it came out so I probably can get that achievement now see I probably could if I remember the steam account I bought it on.

[00:49:39] Yeah I can't remember that that is a game that unfortunately like you only truly will get the experience the first time you played it. Oh yeah if the same experience again later. Yeah it's very dokey dokey literature club in that regard.

[00:49:54] Yeah although there's more substance to Stanley parable and dokey dokey literature club. Yeah with dokey it's more just like kind of trying to fit the pieces yourself kind of a thing and dokey dokey is a one and done.

[00:50:09] Yeah as much as it was a great one and done oh yeah I love that game like I like that game more than most people do but even I'll admit it's a one and done like you can only do so much there.

[00:50:20] Yeah I think what I liked about it most was how it talks about it's like Dan Savato made that as sort of a his love hate relationship with anime.

[00:50:31] Yeah like the game reflects that and as somebody who has a similar relationship with anime I think I completely understand where he's coming from. Yeah now he didn't really good job on it I love because it was like such a cultural phenomenon when it came out.

[00:50:45] Oh yeah like it's one of the few games that genuinely scared me and being still really do that but it free to me the fuck out. Oh yeah the first time we played it's like what the fuck is going on.

[00:50:56] Yeah there's some dark shit like I still should. I still laughed my ass off watching the game grumps play through the game.

[00:51:03] Oh it's fantastic play for you and I have a feeling this idea and I've a feeling in like 10 years the game is going to get a bit of a resurgence because all the kids who don't.

[00:51:14] No you know they're going to be like oh do you know about it it's going to start it's going to have another cycle.

[00:51:20] Where it's like these kids are going to play it where they don't know what's going on but we old fucks do so we can like tease them about it.

[00:51:27] Yeah so but that'll be fun when that happens in fact I have the switch like fancy physical audition down there.

[00:51:36] Oh I don't get you logical plus yeah because I was like it was there was about like 35 bucks or something it wasn't a bad price and it came with a bunch of random goodies I'm like yeah why not. Yeah and you get some more to put it up.

[00:51:49] But he hasn't done like anything since as far as he's been working on something but it's like taking him a long ass time nobody here knows what's going on with it it's like Metro time four.

[00:52:00] Well if I or if I know anything about like indie devs it just takes them a long time to do anything. If your to be fox if your team share if you're. Just concerned ape.

[00:52:13] You know just don't pull a Phil fish Jesus Christ but at least with like from what I hear like Toby Fox the Undertale guy from what I hear people he's just really lazy.

[00:52:26] The ceiling is yeah he makes so fucking long as that he just drags his feet on doing everything. So it'll happen eventually like team cherry.

[00:52:35] I get the sense silksong as far the wrong than people think you know you can throw the clown makeup on me if you want I honestly don't care I wasn't a big Hollow Knight fan but I think at this point with silksong when you're ready to talk about it just shadow drop it just be like oh here it is and it's ready to go.

[00:52:54] And with concerned ape he's the start to valigate right yes like he still does what I like is how.

[00:53:06] Welcoming he is for like the modern community and he welcomes like every random like mod you can do in fact like their stories of him like changing the code of the game itself so would work with mods better which is really nice of him to do.

[00:53:20] I think he said he was taking a little break from chocolate here to get like the final start of all the update out or another one or whatever the final one is you know.

[00:53:30] So I have a lot of respect for him even though I'm not a start of all that's just not my kind of game but I think he does a fantastic job with like the community and the game and all that so.

[00:53:42] Matterspect especially because like he's a one man dude like he made that entire thing basically on his own. Yeah and it's like he could definitely afford to have other people with him because I know because I know people who give him money just because they feel bad.

[00:53:56] It was like all the updates and all the extra stuff which is free they're like I feel bad I'm gonna give him a couple bucks. I mean he made him go and.

[00:54:05] He made a bunch of money out of the physical additions because a bunch of people bought the switch physicals when they came out. Oh for sure and I imagine but I imagine the audience that he garners are people who would like yeah we'll pay you man no problem.

[00:54:17] You know just like out of the kindness of their heart because people who love Starrdy Valley I think are kind of kind in there and their soul somewhere I think. You know to not the people who own harvest moon the name. Yeah that's a weird story.

[00:54:33] So we were mentioned in harvest moon that is a fucking weird story itself. Yeah farm simulators a series I know a lot about. Yeah yeah that's so weird because I've tried harvest moon I've tried story of seasons.

[00:54:48] I keep trying these farming games to see if like even animal crossing I'm like you know what's the fucking deal because.

[00:54:55] It's the same with like even Minecraft where I'll I'll play it for a little bit and be like this isn't too bad you know just kind of fuck around a little bit.

[00:55:03] And then when I'm done I'm just like I'm done and I don't think about it again like to me those aren't games they're toys. They are like well some for a little bit and then it's like a move on.

[00:55:13] They are the best time killing games like probably ever see I could do that with like hectic Tetris. Dremonies luminous whatever it's called you know like puzzle games or more my sort of time killer games. That's how even even Microsoft jewel to on my phone.

[00:55:34] I play that every day because I get Microsoft points or Xbox points doing that so might as well. Yeah but that's just that's just how I might like puzzles.

[00:55:46] I'm trying to think is there any other big releases coming out this year is we pretty much done for the year. Thanks so I don't think so. I mean we I mean if you want what was what was your favorite game you played this year. Bill.

[00:56:00] Oh Mario RPG by far.

[00:56:02] I still haven't even gotten that yet just because by the time it was coming out I was just busy with other things and I'll eventually get to it it's on the list but I'm trying to buy so many games yeah it's like it's that one.

[00:56:18] Um a star ocean the second story are was looking for an oven all that looks really good. In fact Chris was telling me that I would love it and I probably would.

[00:56:28] But it's it's again it's like I don't want to buy a game that's just going to sit on the shelf for like yes and months and months like if I buy a game it's like I want to play right down there.

[00:56:38] I never picked up for so and a five tactic I forgot that came out. Yeah I forgot it came out too and then you know but I think Burger Jam played all the way through it and he was like yeah it was fine.

[00:56:49] I saw people posted the soundtrack for and I was like I'm going to get that at some point. But I think he like most people are ready for Persona 6. Yeah honestly though I think next year they're going to announce it. I think so too.

[00:57:07] And I think they're waiting to see how the three remakes gonna do first. I think the three remake will be a nice stopgap for them. But I wouldn't be surprised if say maybe Tokyo game show time next year they're like here's Persona 6.

[00:57:24] Because I don't I don't think they want to get Persona 5 again, you know where the first announcement was what coming winter 2014. Yeah that we want that effect that the game was in development way back during the PS3R. Oh yeah that game's in a long fucking time.

[00:57:40] It paid off for him to be the least I think recently. Well Alice was in dire financial states from most of their that time period. Yeah because their game just didn't sell. Well certain some of them did but it was like they just had no backing.

[00:57:56] Yeah well I think like the the we revolution hadn't happened yet. So like when Persona 5 finally came out it was perfect timing. Like that game couldn't have come out at a better time. Like that's really when anime was becoming like mainstream acceptable.

[00:58:16] At least over here and it was such like a deep game that like the fucking weeps who like know every fucking frame of one piece can find some of the latch onto. People have those kind of attention spans and it just and it blew up.

[00:58:30] And I think even recently they said Persona 5 past 10 million. No for a wee bar PG that is fantastic like that's top tier shit.

[00:58:42] I mean the crazy thing was like when they put Persona when they put Joker and Smash Brothers apparently it's spawned a lot of people to actually buy the game because they were curious. Well and it was so weird they did that when Persona 5 wasn't even on switch yet.

[00:58:56] Yeah I know they went and bought that card. But that started the whole hashtag Persona on switch. That sort of annoying thing for a few years which I'm glad it happened and I'm imagining hopefully the people who bitched enough about that actually went out and bought it.

[00:59:14] I hope so. I hope so you know because I've debated because I think the Persona games of left game pass now. So I've debated just getting five on max box just to have it back there.

[00:59:26] You know because it's a game I will eventually get to because I've tried playing it and it's a very good game but it is so slow to get started. Yeah the first person. The first 10 fucking hours are tutorial.

[00:59:42] I will say though it's still better than four and I love four. Well four doesn't take that long to get up to get going in comparison you know. Do anything in four for like the first couple hours and it's like.

[00:59:56] But the story bits are good once you get past like. It's against going to sound like Persona 5 when she gets past the first dungeon that's when things really like ramp up.

[01:00:06] Yeah Persona 4 picks up the second you get to you get to you get to Castle and then it's like oh this is great. Yeah for sure for sure. So yeah Persona 4 is great Persona 5 is great and I imagine Persona 6 when that comes out that's going to be a.

[01:00:20] That's going to be a big deal so I'll be there. It'll be the final fantasy eight of that series which is a weird thing to say. Yeah I'm curious is if the three remake does well. Do they remake four?

[01:00:38] Maybe but I think if they remake four it'll be after six. Yeah I want to win. I'm so confusing sometimes but like what they're putting you know. Four doesn't need that much remake like three kind of needs one because it's it's in three.

[01:00:56] Three is problem is there's three different versions of the game and no one was which version to play because they're. Yeah none of them are perfect.

[01:01:02] But reload will be the the the most perfect version even though I think it doesn't have any of the FES stuff in it. No or it's not. It's literally just a remake of the null three. Yeah which I think is probably the way to go.

[01:01:16] Yeah we'll see I haven't played three so I have no idea but. I guess. Three's good but I'm kind of met on it because I played four first. Fair enough. But for six what color do you think they're going to go? They haven't done green yet.

[01:01:38] Green seems a logical one because. Three's blue yellow is four red is five so. And persona one has a purple motif and so does two two is weird because two has purple and red. Interesting. Because two is a duality and there's two persona two either it's.

[01:02:00] Green seems like a way to go. They could maybe do some like environmentalism with that if they wanted to I don't know. So yeah I'm just thinking. I was also thinking like pink would be a good one that's a very persona color I think they could go orange.

[01:02:18] But I think orange would be a little much after a while you know. Well I think orange is a bit the thing with orange and pink are they're kind of close to red. That is true. Was that again yellow is kind of close to red too.

[01:02:32] I just really think that three four and five of the primary colors. Yeah I just feel like and green is kind of like the most unique secondary color. Yeah because most people don't think of green as a secondary color.

[01:02:48] You know they view it as like a primary color. Well because it's such a striking color. Yeah and it's like because it's like you mix blue and yellow to get green and it's like that just in your head it doesn't make any sense.

[01:03:00] Like how the hell do you get to those two like like red and yellow making orange make perfect sense. Right. You know even red and blue making purple makes sense right. Yeah but yeah but I mean and plus with green there are so many different shades of it.

[01:03:14] And so many different ways you could use because the persona games do. I think a fantastic job of their primary color. Yeah. And so I think they're more operating it into the game in so many different ways you know what I mean.

[01:03:29] So I trust Atlas to make a good persona six oh and they also have that um. Re-fantasy o whatever the fuck like that weird fantasy thing they're doing now. Which is interesting. I mean I'm an Atlas simp so I'll buy anything they should out.

[01:03:45] I mean it looks cool it looks like they're trying to sort of take persona and do more like fantasy stuff with it. But probably make it more of like a streamlined RPG. I'm off with you. Which I think is the way to go.

[01:03:59] It's interesting because a very similar series to persona is like the legend of heroes like Trials A Cold Steel. Ah yes. That's like for some reason I've ever played. Yeah they're there a lot. Yeah like I've tried looking into that series and I just go no. Absolutely not.

[01:04:17] If you thought Yis was confusing that spell comes other series that's even more confusing somehow. Yeah but then I've seen stuff that's like this guy I thought about getting into that. But I don't know where the fuck to start with that.

[01:04:33] I think they're all standalone so I believe you can start anywhere. Okay. But you know it is an RPG Jesus stuff. Is direct and quest well from next year is that ways out. That's a ways out.

[01:04:47] Like from what I hear with Dragon Quest like Uji Hori is play testing the three remake. So I expect an announcement about that next year. Thank God. I've been waiting way too long to play Dragon Quest 3 because I wanted to play the remake. But then beyond that,

[01:05:04] I think 12 is a ways out because I mean Dragon Quest is such a beloved. Revealed franchise they don't have to turn them out every couple years. I mean they've been doing it with all these like side games. I still haven't played the new monsters.

[01:05:17] I haven't gotten around to it but I've heard it's not bad. Like it's better than the other side games they made like treasures which really disappointed me. And I was gonna try the adventure of die game, but the reviews were not good at all. Yeah.

[01:05:33] So I just backed out. And then monsters I think it's gotten decent reviews. Well, it monsters is basically just Dragon Quest 5. If it was like just a side series. Yeah, because you play as um, sorrow who is the main bad guy in for. So.

[01:05:53] Well, I met five in terms of the whole monster capture system. Oh yeah, but like well other games in the Dragon Quest series have the monster capture system. True. Five is the one that kind of made it.

[01:06:06] Was the first one that was like really big with it though. Yeah, but it was kind of room inventory and through. You only kind of need it in a couple spots like once you get like your family. Um, you don't really need it anymore,

[01:06:18] but I always tell people which are in Quest 5. Like as soon as you can get a slime night and then hold on to that fucker for the rest of the game. Because yeah, he sticks with he's really good. Slime nights are really good to get back in.

[01:06:32] I really want them to port 4.5 and 6 to switch or switch just modern consoles. I think they will for 12. Since they did want to in three for 11, which made sense because 11 is so closely tied to the. Oh shit. What does that was what's the shorthand for that. Okay.

[01:06:51] Because 4.5 and 6 are the Zinithi and trilogy. Yes, that's one through 3 shit shit. Gotta shit know this off top of him. I had to have it. I'm really losing my credentials here right now. I was. I was. I was. I can't find any information.

[01:07:24] I hate that I don't like. Oh, yeah, Edric trilogy. Oh, the ergyry trilogy fuck yeah because ergyry. Yeah, because you play as ergyry and three fuck you right. And then Zinithi and trilogy is for 4.5 and 6 because of the floating. Palace of Zinithia.

[01:07:41] Which well it's floating in 4 and 5 but in 6 it's on the ground. Because for both of them it's you have 1 and 4 right? And then 2 and 5 are sequels and then 3 and 6 are prequels. Why I don't know they did that intentionally, but.

[01:07:58] And then 7 and 8 I believe are part of the ergyry trilogy chronology, but like far later. 9 and 10 are kind of considered their own thing. And then 11 does the whole okorino of time branching paths thing the connect the two trilogy. Lovely. Yeah, it's not as bad as you'd think.

[01:08:21] Realistically though you can. There's time to have 11. Yeah, realistically though you can play most of them standalone be. Oh yeah, yeah, it's not like Final Fantasy where they're all standalone like confirmed. There are connecting threads to the game.

[01:08:36] Yeah, like jitterna, like definite story connections but they're not that big deal. Yeah, it's like you have the two trilogies which makes sense and then beyond that it's like, they all loosely connect. 11 feels like it's really trying to connect things together.

[01:08:50] And I think it does a good job for the most part. But yeah, it's superfluous. It doesn't matter that much. And I think 12 is probably probably a sequel to 11 in some ways as far as like the story is concerned.

[01:09:05] At least that's the vibe my got from it because I don't know. I think it might be because I've hung on this and that when they first showed the logo, they had 11 and then they did another like strike to make it 12.

[01:09:22] Which said to me it's like they're going to be more directly connected in some ways. I don't know what that means. I wonder if it's going to be like a tales of zesteras, tales of verzeria, like kind of thing where they're like the same universe,

[01:09:33] but they're kind of separate at the same time. That could be it. I could very well see that. But you know, we'll see what happens.

[01:09:42] Like I still think yeah, 12 is a good way out and I think Corey had said he wasn't going to do any remakes until 12 was done. So the much desired Dragon Quest 9 remake which will probably happen after 12. It's just going to be a long time. Yeah.

[01:09:58] Isn't 10 single players supposed to be coming out too? So long standing rumor. I think it, I think well, with 10 they're still doing the offline like expansions. So I think once they finalize the offline expansion stuff, then they'll start working on translating it.

[01:10:15] That would be my guess because doing all of these expansion release chunks for 10 here, I just think would be pointless. Like like I'm a just wait till it's done and then I'll play it. Yeah, because I definitely want to play play 10 so bad.

[01:10:34] But you know, especially because apparently it really is apparently 10 uses a final fantasy style battle system from what I've heard. Well, it's in MMO. Yeah, I've heard it uses like the action time battle system, the ATV system though in terms of its combat which is.

[01:10:50] Yeah, I think it plays like fantasy 11. I think that's like the MMO style that it goes for. Curious because I've only ever seen screenshots of it and none of them are very clear exactly what's going on.

[01:11:04] Oh, I've seen like gameplay for the job it, especially when the IP band got lifted a few years ago. So you can technically download and play it if you want. Yeah, of course there's nothing is translated so you'll unless you really know Japanese you're not gonna know.

[01:11:19] I mean, there are people who I've tried to do like Google translate stuff for it. Yeah, and some of them are done really well but I just I just don't want to do all that work. Yeah, call me crazy.

[01:11:37] I'm trying to think if there's anything else major that's happened recently. Well, the game awards if you want to talk about those. We mentioned it a little bit the last episode that there was kind of a kind of unremarkable honestly. Yeah, just another another another boring year.

[01:11:54] The Sega announcements were interesting. Oh, oh yeah. Oh fuck yeah, that got me hyped and then people saw they did more trademarks for other stuff that we haven't seen yet.

[01:12:05] So I think somebody at Sega said, wait a minute, we have all these IPs and we're doing nothing with them. Why don't we do things with them? I hope somebody at Sega went to Sonic team and said, take your fucking time. We're gonna work another shit.

[01:12:25] I think that's part of it actually because frontiers they put like five solid years of development of that game and I think I really helped. It's the best 3D game since generations.

[01:12:36] Yeah, and I think with frontiers too, they're going to take probably another five years or whatever to work on it. They're like, yeah, let's just do that. And then in the meantime, we'll bring back Jets at radio. We'll bring back crazy taxi. We'll bring back Shinobi will.

[01:12:51] Hell, if they brought back for Outrun, if all they do is just like ports that coast to coast outrun game on the other game is so good. Oh my god. If they bring back crazy taxi, they better use the new fucking offspring album.

[01:13:06] I mean, well, they've confirmed crazy taxi. It was in the footage. That's what I'm saying. If they do, like if it comes out like and they're going for the same feel better use the offspring music.

[01:13:19] If at the very least they use the famous offspring song at the very least you have to use the classic one. I can't remember the name of it off top. Oh, oh, I want.

[01:13:29] Yeah, all I want. You have to have that song there. Otherwise, I'm not gonna buy it. Yeah, I mean it's funny because crazy tech people forget there is a crazy taxi too. And yeah, but there's our speed only. No, no, it's on Dreamcast. Oh, really?

[01:13:44] Yeah, it's Dreamcast only actually. Oh, well, shit. Because I remember when I was looking through like Xbox stuff original Xbox and there was crazy taxi three and I'm like, well, where the fuck was, I think it was a real big deal.

[01:13:56] Two is a Dreamcast exclusive and it introduced the crazy hop, which is still like the most hilarious thing that's you can just jump with the taxi now and it's great. That's awesome. Oh, oh, it was late. It was late. Yeah, it was May 01 shit. That's late.

[01:14:13] It was a cool game though because they had like the crazy job you could jump over stuff with the taxi. You could pick up four passengers at once and do like four deliveries to separate locations, which was not just a

[01:14:25] place and honestly suck because you would never have time, but yeah, an offspring were in that game too. They used a different album though. Okay, maybe they'll keep it up with the crazy taxi three. Oh, yeah. Oh, good.

[01:14:39] Three brought like basically stuff from one to and then original stuff three. They brought all the songs from one into plus some new ones for three. Like a whole book three is honestly an hidden gem on the original Xbox.

[01:14:55] Yeah, I've never played three, but I've never owned another original Xbox. I mean, it's not like any high art. Like it's literally just crazy taxi. But crazy taxi is not high art. What? You can't make.

[01:15:10] Well, people go into crazy taxi three expecting you to be like miles better than two and I'm like, no, it's not it's just more crazy taxi. It's what you expect. Yeah, there's the GBA one, which is I don't think I have it.

[01:15:23] Oh, catcher right. Catcher right is impressive technically, but like as a game, it's like you play it like for like five minutes and you're like that's good. I'm done like like super monkey ball junior.

[01:15:34] Yeah, like they're impressive. They're kind of fun, but then you're you're done after like five minutes. Yeah, it was also the fair wars on PSP, which it's a remake of two one in one in two, but it doesn't have the offspring music. So it's trash.

[01:15:52] It uses generic rock music and it's so lame. They couldn't get the sonic but rock guy to do the music. I know right like, just like, yes, so no it would have been perfect. Just throw some crush crush 40 in there. People will be fine. Yeah, don't crush.

[01:16:11] No crush 40 to do an offspring impression. That would have been amazing. Johnny Gwellie would probably try it too. That's the sad part. Exactly. And then, oh, they did a couple mobile games as of course they did.

[01:16:23] Nobody remembers hilariously the port of crazy taxi on iOS has the offspring music back. It's like that we will only port recently that has the music. Yeah, so I get the sense if Sega is going to do this, they're going to do a properly.

[01:16:39] Yeah, I'm hoping that the Jetset radio information was probably the most telling. Is that's the one that everyone got super high for? Oh yeah, because people are really high over Jetset nowadays. They're acting like it's the best thing ever. Like, Jetset's great. Don't get me wrong, but

[01:16:55] It was a cool game, but I feel like a lot of people that hype it up haven't actually played it. Yeah, they're like mother three people. Because it's like, I love Jetset radio, Jetcrime radio, but you play that game now and you're like,

[01:17:07] It's fun, but it is Jake as fuck. Oh yeah, the Xbox one's pretty good though. I played a bit. I've played a bit of future. Yeah, I played it on. Wow, was that one? That one might have been 360 back in the hat.

[01:17:20] No, well, yeah, back was a battle on Glee. I believe most of the gaming games were. Yeah, and I think I played it on there and it was solved. But the reason and people wanted that to be series X backwards compatible,

[01:17:33] but I think the music license things, the only thing that got in the way of that. Yeah, that game has concept of love on it. That's like one of my favorite songs from the series. Yeah, but then beyond that, it's like a new Shinobi game.

[01:17:44] That Shinobi game looks fucking cool as hell. Like it has like hand drawn 2DR and it looks very Shinobi 3. Now, like if it's Shinobi 3 with hand drawn art, it's over. We're done great. Fantastic.

[01:17:58] Like I always said like the two best Shinobi games were Shinobi 3 and then the PS2 game. PS2 Shinobi is really good. It'd be cool to see them attempt something like that again, but I don't know if it would fly. Just because they think they do Shinobi.

[01:18:14] I was going to say, they think nobody likes it because they shaped bomb, but they shaped it. They did bomb, but to be fair, nobody knew it was a Shinobi game. Yeah. So that was on them.

[01:18:24] Another streets of rage. That one has me pause the little bit because you had streets of rage for which they didn't have a lot of time. It's a rage for which they didn't do, but was really fucking good.

[01:18:36] And this looks more honestly the little bit we saw reminded me of the spiritual successor to it a fighting force. Oh, the game that started is streets of rage for and then say, I didn't want it so it became its own thing. Yeah.

[01:18:54] It reminded me a little bit of that. I'm like, oh no. It didn't look like street wise, but to be fair, I don't think a street wise will ever happen again. So to be fair, street wise was supposed to be a very different game as well.

[01:19:05] Yeah. It would have been a bad no matter what. Yeah, I've come out shit all over it. Yeah, but that game's kind of fucked anyway. And then gold max, it'd be cute to try another gold max because I have Beast Rider and Beast Rider is...

[01:19:19] Oh, I forgot of a Beast Rider. Holy shit. Oh yeah. It's not great, but I have the fire in me. The same studio that made Iron Man 2. And yeah, it's not great, but I had a fun time with it.

[01:19:35] I only remember because a guillier stunderhead says by my balls in it. In one point. By my balls. Yeah. I was pissed you couldn't play as him because he was always my go-to. Everyone liked playing as the Viking with the axe or whatever. Yeah.

[01:19:53] Who wouldn't like the Viking, right? But yeah, they also like there was more IP stuff for I think it was like Alex Kidd, Outrun, Super Monkey Ball. I think Kidd can melee and showed up. Not like that's a deep out. Are we doing Kidd Kidd? No.

[01:20:13] Like I want another beyond Oasis. I was actually in a series. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Legend of Oasis on the Saturn. I would like to tell you what the first two words I want. I want another like the ooze. Like let's do the ooze man.

[01:20:29] We're going to if we're going to deep cut? Making it just make it good, it leaves back, it oozes. Find, give me vector man. I want another vector man. Vector man's awesome. Yeah, vector man was really good. I should say that oozes bad.

[01:20:43] It's frustrating as fuck, the place. If I just like comics out, they're both frustrating as hell. Actually, I'm a progressive but this references help. And of course, me being me shining force for police. Please. In fact, you're a fibrillator. No, fancy starts in MMO these days.

[01:21:01] Anyway, fuck that, give me a regular one. It's never gonna happen, man. Fancy starts online, Stu Bigg. So, but like with monkey ball, I don't know if the hell they would do with that. It's just what they actually mean. Oh, you're a real idiot. That wasn't original though.

[01:21:15] Oh, that's just, they haven't made it to the level. It's one and two again. Oh. It is. It's just what it do again. I was gonna say they haven't made a good monkey ball since too, so. Exactly. That's why they didn't try again. Super monkey ball.

[01:21:30] Did you ever play monkey ball adventure? Yeah, I tried. What a fun guy. I couldn't get an hour and I had no fucking idea what to do. I love the idea of it, but it is just not executed well at all.

[01:21:44] It was like one of the final games before travel. This tales became the slave to Lego. Yeah, exactly. But I've played through banana blitz and banana blitz is disappointing. The one of the 3DS was fine. Yeah. Just fine. Sounds about right.

[01:22:10] Did they mention everyone's favorite shitty series Billy Hatcher? The giant egg. They have one game and that's a good game. Don't be, don't be that way. I don't know. I played it recently and I'm like this isn't as great as I remember. I like it.

[01:22:25] It has that sonic team charm to it. Yeah, I didn't see nights though. I would love to see another night's game. Yeah, the one on Wii was fine. The one on Wii's very good. The one on Wii's very good. Those random platform exchanges with the humans. Those games.

[01:22:43] Like that game a lot. Yeah. So I think I think I mean, Sega has a huge treasure trove to go through. Oh yeah, afterburner showed up. Why not? Fuck it. Alex kid. Sure. Why not? And they also just do that recently. Well, that wasn't them.

[01:23:01] That was an other kind of thing. Yeah. And I played through. I bought that and I played through that. I bought the collectors edition of it. But you know right. Got buyers remorse and sold it. It was fine. But there.

[01:23:14] What makes the game playable is that they have options to like not make the game so fucking slip slightly, you know? There's literally like options in the game to make it more playable. And what you turn those on, it's fine.

[01:23:29] That's a master system game I really want to find at some point is Alex kid and Shinobi world. Oh, I've played that. It's just it's the arcade Shinobi. Oh, how is it? Oh, the arcade. And the arcade Shinobi's fine. Yeah, yeah. I'm looking forward to that. Hopefully.

[01:23:47] Bacon can take a fucking break from Sonic and make something else. And yeah, Guza or like a dragon. True. They're trying this out crazy. I mean they're good. They're high quality games.

[01:23:57] But they're churn in them out of the rate that's like they need to think to slow down. Yeah, if they have one that's not good, that's one of the signs should be like all right. Slow down. Exactly.

[01:24:07] In fact, just that curiosity, the last travelers tales game that we've got to do. The real tales game that was not Lego was the chronicles of their any a prince can't be in. They made. Huh, did they make the original one too? Oh, line which in the wardrobe?

[01:24:22] Yes, they did. Okay, that wasn't bad. Yeah, played it. It reminded me of the Lord of the Rings games from the same time, but not nearly as good. Did you ever play that original game that travelers tales tried to make the haven game or whatever? Haven. Haven.

[01:24:43] I don't think so. Oh, call of the king. Oh, yeah, that game was tried to be so ambitious and it like failed at everything it did. The tried. What is this? It's a 3D platform. It's trying to be like Jack and Dax, do you're matching in Clankish?

[01:25:01] Oh, yeah. It literally like fails. It tries to do like everything and fails. It pretty much everything it tries to do. It's the first part of a trilogy. Haven took over three years to develop combines action, platforming, puzzle, shoot them up, racing and space combat elements.

[01:25:18] How much by midway? Oh my god. Yeah. Wow. It ended ends on a cliffhanger like on a down or cliffhanger. And it's just like exactly how this series deserved it because it was a shit. Oh my god.

[01:25:34] Apparently the protagonist was originally supposed to be the old traveler's tail's mask up. Oh, um, I think had a name that probably did. Yeah. I know what you're talking about. Yeah. There's such a weird developer traveler's tail. John Burton is a very talented programmer.

[01:25:56] He just never seems to be able to finish like fully realize anything he does. Yeah. Poor guy. Because I'm looking at travelers tales like gameography and there's let me let's see the toy story game was pretty good. Mickey Mania is really good. I'm up this race menu.

[01:26:15] I can love that. Sonic 3D blast, Sonic R. We talked about this already. We talked about this. The bugs life, pay the PlayStation game. Oh, toy story 2. They also made a rascal. Rascal. You were a rascal. Oh, thank God. They did the one weakest link video game. Okay.

[01:26:36] They're saved in my heart. I play that game. Um, oh yeah. They did wrath of Cortex. I forgot about that. Elsa did twin sanity. Twin sanity is good. I already did. They didn't get to finish it.

[01:26:48] That was like their big like the guy, the director of the game. It said multiple times they've activated. Well, I guess Microsoft now. But um, if they will let him he wants to finish it. Like do it the way he intended. But I doubt he'll ever happen.

[01:27:01] The niche twin sanity wasn't finished. No, twin sanity is infamously not finished. Like there's so many things they were cut from it. Interesting. And it's still a good game. That shows how impressive that team was. Oh yeah. I really liked twin sanity.

[01:27:15] And then they did like a Star Wars right after that. And then. But that's the thing. Look at, but the like a Star Wars stuff didn't. It wasn't until in the end of Jones where like that's when it became a monster. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:27:29] Yeah, because they did one into then he did the complete saga. And then yeah, and then it's just been Lego basically ever since. And I can't imagine just doing Lego games at this at the rate that they do. I can't imagine them then.

[01:27:46] I mean, it pays the bills. So that it does. That it does though. I do credit Lego for the company for now. They're starting to branch out with their stuff.

[01:27:57] Because they have that was at Lego Builders journey that like puzzle game with Lego, which looks like I'd really like it. There's that like Lego for the game that came out recently.

[01:28:09] And they've done some other stuff with with Lego like style games, which I think is the way to go. That original one of the Lego city under cover was actually really good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That came down too bad though did you have those tales make that?

[01:28:24] I believe they did. I think that was one of the few things they got to do something original for once. Because for some reason looking through their gameography, I didn't see them there unless I just completely overlooked it. I swear it was them.

[01:28:38] It was made by Travelers Tales Fusion. Which is like, that's a smaller studio. Yeah, they have spin-off studios just for Lego shit. So yeah. Good for them, I guess. Yeah. Oh, Lego brawls that like smash Brothers clone. And with turn-based strategy game, no brick tales.

[01:29:04] Bric tales is puzzle adventure game. That's not the one I'm thinking to build a journey which is actually pretty cool. Bric tales I haven't played. But yeah, I think there's still a lot of interesting things you could do with Lego games.

[01:29:18] And I imagine Travelers Tales will probably still be turned in these out. Oh yeah, Lego Fortnite just happened. Why does that have to do with the fuck? Did you see they put Peter Griffin in Fortnite recently? They're going to put it.

[01:29:30] I think we're going to be in Fortnite eventually. So I don't care about Fortnite at all and I'm not really even a family guy guy. But when I saw the when I saw the Peter Griffin thing, I immediately laughed just because like I saw his his death animation.

[01:29:45] And he really does the Negro thing. And I'm like that's good. I enjoy this. Yeah. Lois it's like that one time I was in Fortnite. They're going to reference it on the show. Oh yeah, I don't have any material anymore. So. Taylor guys just a bunch of.

[01:30:04] Cut out gags with like an attempt at story in the background. Exactly. Though I will say I played a bit of a Skywalker saga. Like them like remaking the whole Lego Star Wars thing. I don't know if I'm going to bring the game play.

[01:30:18] I like what I played of it. Okay, I'm on the opposite side. I didn't really like it that much. Oh, why not? So me and Matt played it. I was when I was visiting him a while back and we got stuck on the

[01:30:31] genosis level and just could not figure out what to do. And like it just was frustrating. I don't know maybe. Yeah, I didn't get that far. So okay. I think it also just because I'm tired of the Lego games at this point. That's fair.

[01:30:46] I think at least with Skywalker saga, they were trying something different. Like revamping a bunch of things and all that. And I think if they. I would like to see them do this, but with like the Indiana Jones stuff.

[01:31:00] Because I think as I played through in the Indiana Jones, like a one, I liked it, but. If now they're going to try to make the game like more complex and more involved.

[01:31:11] I like that's the series to go back to try to do something more interesting with it. So and plus I mean, we got the new movie. So I might as well just add that. Oh yeah, right. So now you got five movies together.

[01:31:23] Yeah, you got three good movies and two if he movies to go through and there you go. I still remember the fridge and people were so mad about that damn fridge for so long. That's far from that movie's worst problem.

[01:31:36] I thought the fridge was funny to be honest. It fits with the Hoi Indiana Jones, that's your everything. Well, the people that we're always like it's ruining the legacy of Indiana Jones. It doesn't like the New Jones has always been kind of stupid inherently.

[01:31:48] Yeah, I think honestly, I think the new movie does a worse job of destroying his legacy. Especially with doing the whole CG Harrison Ford thing which felt completely unnecessary. Yeah, that whole opening scene goes on way too fucking long and then.

[01:32:07] And then the whole like he's in New York and yelling at his like hippy like neighbors are playing magical mystery towards you loud. And he just like goes on another adventure and it's just I don't know man.

[01:32:19] I feel dialed Destiny, they could have went a little bit maybe more mettle with it, you know? Or an idea I heard that I thought would have been awesome is you have like the Indiana Jones like theme and it's like a big adventure.

[01:32:33] But it's just him getting to a lecture. You know like you do the whole thing like he's struggling to put his clothes on and he breakfast and you know, but it's like, but a bur bur bur bur bur bur bur.

[01:32:46] And then like just getting to the lecture to like talk about. Yeah, I'm kind of like uncharted for where like you do that opening thing and then if I use it's literally just Nathan Drake recovering something in a dive like.

[01:32:57] Yes, yes, but do that within the Indiana Jones. Like especially because he's an old fuck so it makes perfect sense to do but I get the sense that like Harrison Ford is above that, you know like he wouldn't willing to do that.

[01:33:13] I mean I love him, but you know you get the sense he's not a guy who's willing to make fun of himself. No. Yeah, that's just reminds me I really want to replay uncharted for now. I'm good. I fucking love that.

[01:33:28] That's like one of my that's like my favorite PS4 game. I like to three more. Three is really good too. Honestly, they're all really good. Yeah, one needs a remaking. Well, so playing one on the HD collection on PS5 like. I feel like covers up some of the.

[01:33:48] Jank of that game, but yet probably doesn't need some work. I mean what the hell are blue point even doing right now? Yeah, that's good question. I don't know what they're doing with this.

[01:33:59] I feel like a remake of one would be the way to go if you're going to have them be the big budget remake team.

[01:34:06] That's that's the game to do man because it can still fit with that prestige bullshit, you know and people would be excited to try it. You know, because that one kind of has been lost a time I think ironically enough.

[01:34:20] So yeah, that would be the one to bring back. Yeah, that's for sure. I'm trying to think if there's anything else I'm really looking forward to next year. I'm honestly next to something it's going to be a back blog year.

[01:34:33] Well, that's my main plan, but then it's like fuck like a dragon infinite wealth comes out the end of January. And that's going to be my entire February. So that's going to happen.

[01:34:44] This, this is probably going to be one or two other games that hit, but we'll see and as far as I know the switch to is next year. Yeah, so that's a bit of a thumbnail announced on. Prime floor. I'm for.

[01:34:58] Honestly at this point, I think that's what they're doing. I think they're waiting to switch to. I hope so because I want to stop making the fever dream joke because at this point even I'm starting to get tired of it.

[01:35:09] But at this point, prime floor, just make a cross gen. You know, and they can use that game as to be like, oh look how good it looks on the switch one looks great right? But put it on the switch too, and it looks even better, baby.

[01:35:22] We put the Nvidia sheen on it or whatever, right? And it's going to look fucking amazing. And that's going to get us to buy it. And then for the casuals, it's like here's your 3D Mario.

[01:35:35] Which I'm going to buy both of those because you can't launch the switch to a prime 4 by itself. You can't know you can't do that. That's not going to work. You need something else.

[01:35:45] And I think in, they're probably not going to do Odyssey 2 at this point we got it by now. So it's probably going to be something different. But I'm all there, baby. You know, like I'll mix. I love my 3D Mario.

[01:35:57] I would love a mixture of Odyssey style with the bonus like Bowser's Fury stuff. I think that's what they're doing. Bowser's Fury felt like a test run for what they want the next 3D Mario to be. Yeah, I'm so curious regardless. I mean it's 3D Mario. I'm there.

[01:36:17] I love me some 3D Mario. Other real questions? Especially since Wonder disappointed me. Yeah. Yeah. I like Superstars more and even that's not a perfect game. I did like Superstars shout out to Sonic Superstars. Yeah. If you want to hear more,

[01:36:38] the rack was on an episode of Fine Time talking about Sonic Superstars. Indeed, I was. Uh, man. So the real question though I have to ask. What are we going to get the 3D Legacy collection? Who owns those games? Who owns that? It's like I don't know.

[01:36:58] I just, because we're supposedly getting plumbers don't wear ties. We're the least it's. Yeah. Where the fuck is that? Where is that? They opened up fucking pre-orders for the physical and people were like, well, what are you going to like, you know, do the digital version, right? Nothing.

[01:37:15] Radio, fucking silence. Like at least with the gecks collection. It's like, that'll probably they didn't give us any dates on it. So whatever, right? But this, it's like they gave us a time frame. What the fuck? And then I just, I just looked it up, right?

[01:37:33] An on Twitter. It says, here, I'll read the tweet for you. To the fans of plumbers don't wear ties. It turns out releasing a game is an as easy as an unclogging a toilet. It's actually quite a lot harder.

[01:37:45] We had originally a wanted to release it on December 8th. But that turned out to be a bit of a pipe dream. They originally said it was in September. The dev team at Limited Run is working hard to pump this thing out.

[01:37:56] But the only a little bit more time to assure that the launch runs smoothly is John John's bike after tuna. How hard is it to port a fucking slide show? Right. After all, it's our duty to bring you the best product we can create.

[01:38:09] If you bought one of our physical additions, there's no need to sink into the spare. This delay will not affect our production timeline. Standard copies will go out Q1, 2024. It'll probably just come out of the patch.

[01:38:19] The definitive version will sneak its way out of development and launch digitally on March 5th, 2024. For real this time, no more delays. Yeah, we'll see about that. Just putting definitive version on plumbers don't wear ties as the fucking funniest thing. Sure.

[01:38:35] Yeah, we can't get fucking mother free, but we can get plumbers don't wear ties. I'm just like how hard is it to port a slide show? I know right. March 5th, that is a Tuesday, which is when we record these fucking things.

[01:38:48] So probably March 12th and March 19th will be our plumbers don't wear ties review in 2020 for provided it actually comes out. So for those of you waiting, it'll happen in March because I will buy that and I will sink into it. I'll do fucking air. I'll watch.

[01:39:09] I'll watch all the random bullshit in there as well because there's a bunch of bonus content. They've added like a Dungeoning Crawler mode for some reason. There's a lot of weird stuff in there.

[01:39:19] So you can enter in the nude code and you can see one picture of side boob and a lot of man asks. Well, the thing is the girl who's in that I forget her name but I think she's done like adult stuff before she's a wrestling wrestling.

[01:39:35] She was well, she was part of a glow like the original version of glow in the 80s. So I went through what the fuck's heard. Jean Bison. I'm saying that correctly. Yeah, she was Hollywood during the original glow but then she did a bunch of other stuff.

[01:39:55] Just like as like a stunt woman and acted in a bunch of random stuff. So she's been all over. So she's had her her fair. Yeah. She owns a soap company now. So if you want to buy soap from her, there you go.

[01:40:12] I always love because the nude code is like the most disappointing part of fucking plumbers don't wear ties because you see way more John than you do see of Jane. That's all I'm going to do.

[01:40:20] Yeah, but it's like if you want to see boob's it's like these days like trust me. There's there's enough there's not boobs on the internet to keep you going. Honestly, the sensor but the sensor face is more interesting than I know. No, the nose. Yeah. So she came.

[01:40:37] I'm going to say any more just because I want to save it for the episode but. Oh, I mean, yeah, I'm going to write a fucking thesis on it when I get it when I get my hands on it. Yeah.

[01:40:47] So we will have the definitive review of the definitive edition of plumbers don't wear ties and I guarantee you when we do that review we'll probably get a lot more engagement than normal. Because it will be hot on the market at the time.

[01:41:02] That's that's like the the pinnacle of 3D. Like that's the game. It's sad that like. Gets is considered like the killer app of 3D, although I argue it's road rash but that's besides the point. Um, Gets is considered like the pinnacle of 3D,

[01:41:19] But I'm pretty sure the game most people remember the system for these days is first of where ties. For the memes. For the memes and just how absurd it is. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, but honestly, I'm going to manage to stretch this out almost two hours.

[01:41:40] Yeah, yeah, as in of content for your ears listeners. Yeah, um, that's so this is the. This will be the last time you'll hear from us before Christmas. So I guess wish everyone who celebrates and Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all the others.

[01:41:57] Yeah, I hope our Hanukkah and joyers enjoyed Hanukkah. It is already happened. That is true. And yeah, New Year's is coming. That's New Year, New Show, New Year season. Yeah, New season of the show. New season, yeah.

[01:42:11] I guess kind of I don't have seasons exactly laid out on the show like a new G&C. But it's all good. Yeah, we'll we'll be back and need for speed is next. And we're either iconic series that made it start on the review.

[01:42:26] Yes, yes, and then we can maybe discuss like New Year's stuff for the show. So yeah, definitely. All right, so. Figure with that will wrap this one up for now. So once again, guys, thanks for joining us on the 3D of experience.

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