Press B 250: Goodbye Switch, Hello Switch 2

[00:00:00] They're charging what for Mario Kart? Today on. But can I get it with a game code card? That's my real question. Do you want to own that game?

[00:00:29] Don't own it over the intro. I just want Duskblend. Welcome everybody to another episode of Press B To Cancel, your favorite retro game podcast. And this week we are so retro, we are talking about the Nintendo Switch 2, which finally got a full announcement this week on April 2nd with more details from Nintendo. There's a very likely direct and I know we all want to talk about it. But we also want to take a chance to kind of give a bit of a eulogy to the Nintendo Switch,

[00:00:58] which came out what, 2016 I want to say? 2017. March 2017. Can I be honest with you when you started saying that, when you said 20, I was like 20 years ago? Yeah, I know, right? Yeah. Well, then it would be retro. Yeah. Then it would be there. But 10 years, 10 years is, well, almost 10 years is quite the lifespan. And the game is, this thing is still around. There's games announced during the direct last week for 2026. So the Switch still has a few more years in it, but the new hotness is going to be the

[00:01:27] Switch 2. So we want to talk about it. I'm not going to do that alone unless there's a mirror involved. So I'm joined by three good friends. I almost said four. Sorry, GP. Wolf, how are you doing this week? I am sleepy for some reason. I don't know why. Like, I don't think I moved once last night. I woke up in the same position I fell asleep in. Still exhausted. I don't get it. That's my sex life right there with my wife. Chard, how are you doing this week? Wow. I can't follow that.

[00:01:58] I can't follow that. What the hell are you doing to me? I'm fine. I'm good. It's a beautiful day in the Pacific Northwest. It's going to continue into tomorrow. So I'm going to fire up my smoker this weekend and make some smoked hamburgers and enjoy the weather until it turns to shit on Sunday, which is on par for the state. So happy Friday, everyone. Speaking on par, sister, how are you doing this week? Well, actually, that's a nice segue.

[00:02:26] We are real homeowners now. We actually had a lawn service come out and spray our lawn. Beautiful. So we're setting ourselves up for a nice par. Spray with what? Like paint? Yes, paint. Yes. They spray paint the lawn. Yes, we're painting our lawn. No, it's stuff to help it. Dude, I've seen that. That's not other stuff. Yeah, you're in America. Yeah. No, it's fertilizer and like weed stuff. Don't give away my train secrets, okay?

[00:02:56] Yeah. But no, we're legit. We're doing that. They showed up at like 5.30 on a Friday. Wow. Like you do. Yeah. Like you do. That's crazy. Well, congrats on the house. Congrats on everybody for surviving the week. I know we were all anticipating the diluge of information about the Nintendo Switch this week. Because, you know, all four of us are diehard Switch fans and can't wait to get that new one.

[00:03:25] So we're going to talk about it this week. It's funny because we're going to dump a little bit on the Switch. But I am excited for a lot of what came out that was announced this week. Not all of it. There's some dumping to be had here. There is definitely. I know you guys are hit or miss on the device. But I want to talk about it from our perspective as four people who own a Switch of some form. As four people who enjoy both modern games and retro. And, of course, indie games. But also as four people who own fucking Steam Decks. Sorry, YouTube.

[00:03:54] So that's why I feel like it's important for us to talk about it. I think we have a good perspective on the Switch, too. And what it means to our certain demographic of gamer. So we're going to try and loosely keep it structured. Or we're going to try and stay on topic. Because, you know, we're real good at that here at PressBee to Cancel. And we're going to start by talking about the hardware. So I am sick. But let me just read through the specs really quick. So Switch 2. The device is mostly the same size as the original. It is apparently the same thickness, according to the direction. Because, you know, gamers like it thick.

[00:04:24] But the screen is 7.9 inches. Which I can't remember what the original one is. But it's quite a bit bigger at 7.9. Still a capacitive touchscreen. Wi-Fi 6. Has Bluetooth. The resolution. When hooked up to a dock. To the TV. As high as 4K 60 frames. Or when it's handheld. 1080p 120 frames. Battery life between 2 to 6 hours. Which is a range. 256 gigs of onboard storage. That's like Comcast hours, dude.

[00:04:54] We'll be there between 8 and 5. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. You plug in your Comcast tech. Maybe they might do a little bit more extra work for you. I think that's the bulk of it. In terms of like a hardware support. Oh, HDR. Which is a big one. It is powered by NVIDIA. They're doing a custom chip. This is like a big bulletin board. Or a billboard for NVIDIA. They said they're claiming it is 10 times more powerful than the Switch 1. We'll see. It is using DLSSS.

[00:05:23] Ray tracing is involved. Frame gen. All that stuff. So I'm going to ask you guys. From a standpoint of the hardware. What are your guys thoughts on the hardware? Well, I want to point out one additional thing that you didn't talk about. Because I pulled out my Switch and I realized it was not charged. And I have to plug in the cable right here. I call it the crotch connector. Yeah. I had to plug in the crotch connector. They took that from the Dreamcast, right? Yeah. Yeah. That's what I was just thinking.

[00:05:54] You never go with Dreamcast. They added a second on the new one up here. For the camera though. Well, no. It's a usable. I know. Yeah. But to be fair, that is honestly one of the greatest things about the Steam Deck is the USB port is up on the top. Right? And so, yeah. The only issue with the one on the Steam Deck being on the top is because the Steam Deck is a thicker device. Because, you know, thick deck saves lives.

[00:06:24] I have to actually get a dongle attachment. And it's like the right angle dongle attachment for it to actually fit into mine. I do have a case on my Steam Deck to be fair. But I use one of those right angle connectors. I kind of wish they have a right angle connector on this one. I just find the ones where it just pokes out of the top or on the bottom. The cable gets bent too easily. And then that wears and tears in the cable over time. But it is still better than just the single crotch connector. So thick you got a dongle. That's how we do it. Okay.

[00:06:53] I want to talk about, you started with, first off, I love the fact that Nintendo, like when it says under their spec sheet, it says CPU. It literally is like custom NVIDIA. It gives no specs whatsoever. Right? That's all you need. Yeah. But I want to point out that I am really tired, and this is not just a Nintendo problem.

[00:07:18] I am really tired of this 4K gaming claim that everyone is making. Everyone is making. A 5090 with a 575 watt, like power input and a huge ass heat sink on it still struggles with 4K. Now, everybody's going to say, but wait, wait, wait, DLSS. You're right, but it's a cheat.

[00:07:46] I was going to say, isn't that not a real, I mean, it's real, but it's not authentic. The game is rendering substantially lower res. And when I say substantially, even 1080p is substantially less than 4K. Like we are talking, you know, divisible by 4K. There's a 1440 in there, right? Yeah. Like there's 4K and there's like a 1440 and then you go to 1080. So you're right, there's a huge. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:08:16] But you know that scaling though depends on the game. Like I've seen the scaling, like Cyberpunk 2077. I think the scaling there, DLSS, I'm going to stumble over that word all night. The scaling there works fine. I think it looks pretty good when it kicks in. But on something like No Man's Sky, when I have it on the Steam Deck, it looks god awful. Some games do it better than others. But you're right. It is kind of a cheat.

[00:08:39] And the idea, when we're talking about the original Switch 1, which barely did 1080p 30 for a lot of its games. Never mind 60 at 1080p. And we have the Switch 2 advertising 40K 60. Like 4K 60? Come on. And the thing is, is with DLSS, right? It's only as good as the AI can handle it, right? It isn't. Right.

[00:09:00] For those that are unaware, DLSS is basically an AI model that basically takes a quantity of pixels into a larger number of pixels. And so, or in the case of... So it's like ultra anti-aliasing. Essentially, yeah. Anti-powered aliasing.

[00:09:25] But with like an AI that's trying to do it with some level of intention, right? It's not just a duplicating of pixels. It's trying to basically like figure out, okay, this is a line of an arm. I'll continue it or something like that, right? And so... Yeah. And even on the 1080p 120, I guarantee it's doing frame generation to do that. Yeah.

[00:09:55] And you know, so frame generation, I'm going to admit, I have not had a whole lot of exposure to it. But the video card I have now, I've just now started messing around with more better looking games. Monster Hunter Wilds being one of them. And when I was doing the benchmark for that, I was testing between frame generation on and off. When I have it turned on, I was getting like 120 frames per second, which is amazing. When I have it off, I was barely hitting 50. So it's definitely something noticeable. It does do things like add input latency. Yes.

[00:10:24] I didn't really notice it. But I tend to for certain games, but I didn't really have an issue with it playing Monster Hunter. So I don't know how much of a factor that is in this. But I mean, maybe... I'm sure with it being a custom NVIDIA chip and with Nintendo being Nintendo, there's been a lot of quality work on this. So I'll give it a bit of the doubt and see what it looks like, I guess.

[00:10:45] And a nice, sorry, Wolf, a nice cartoony looking game is a lot easier for the AI to treat than say GTA 6, right? Or Cyberpunk. Or, you know. And something that doesn't have to do frame gen, getting that extra, you know, 60 hertz up to 120. Oh man, side scrollers are going to feel buttery smooth. Yeah.

[00:11:15] And potentially, potentially that lag is going to be less if it's not doing frame generation. Welcome to all our 3D games. I would honestly rather play at 45 frames per second than have the input latency, personally. If it's a constant 45, I'm fine. As long as the gameplay is like doing what I want when I want. Right. When I...

[00:11:44] As someone who used to stream, you know, you run into issues with your capture card. It just happens. Right now. And once you're getting that input lag, oh, it kills your fun. Yes. Yes. It's a good anatomy. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay. The Steam Deck I have, the OLED has... It's a... Well, was it 1200 by 800 pixels? It's like basically 720p on the Steam Deck.

[00:12:12] The OLED, though, has a 90 hertz screen, which is nice when the games can run it. But if the game is a little bit more than the Steam Deck can handle, then I dumb it down to 45 frames. And because half of the hertz, it still feels pretty good. Yeah. It's when you get off the multiplier that it feels a little bit off. So I think if they advertise 1080p 120 on the Switch 2, but you're playing something like, I'm not going to say Cyberpunk, but a better, more advanced graphical game.

[00:12:39] If you could even get it to 30 or 60, like a fraction of the 120, it should be fine. It's just weird that they're pushing that when Switch 1 struggled to run games like Breath of the Wild, which is a Wii U game. The Korok 4 scene dropped. Or Link's Awakening, which is... It's a port of Link's Awakening for the Game Boy. They made a remake of it. And it struggles when there's a lot of sprites on the screen. Like that slowdown is a real problem with the Switch 1 for a number of games. And that drove me nuts.

[00:13:08] And here they are advertising so much more graphical fidelity. And I worry they can't keep the promise on this. That's my concern. Right. Yeah. I mean, I want to point out, I mean, we didn't really talk about the screen or anything, but this is an LCD screen on the Switch 2. But they just did the OLED for the Switch 1 on the last release. Dollar bills, baby.

[00:13:35] I get the whole marketing thing, but it drives me insane that they're like, we're going to release this really awesome new beautiful thing that's going to run at 4K at 60 frames and all this stuff. Or 1080 at, you know, 120, whatever. But it's still on LCD. What the hell, guys? Like, I get it's the money thing. Steam did the same thing with the Steam Deck. Most of us have the LCDs, while Jake is the only one with the OLED. But I mean, I get that it's a marketing play.

[00:14:05] I totally get it. Because eventually we're going to get Steam or the Switch 2 with OLED. And it's like... They're never going to do a full hardware mid-tier refresh, right? Like PlayStation and Xbox do. Yeah. Nintendo's just not going to do that. They'll be like, oh, we can give it a nicer screen. There you go. Give us more money. Yeah. I mean, yeah. And it's going to be $100 more for that. Well, and that was a point I was also going to bring up. That also may be...

[00:14:33] Because OLED is expensive. I mean, plain and simple. Yeah, I get that. OLED is expensive. And so this $500 price point... And we haven't talked price yet. But okay, $450 or $500, depending on if you want an $80 game or not. We'll get there. Hardware. This seems like a good segue. I mean, that OLED screen probably would have made it so that...

[00:14:58] In today's economy, probably would have made it so that they would have had to increase that price by at least another $50, if not $100. Or... I don't doubt that. Yeah. So the thing is... Okay. So LCD, this is where, like you had mentioned, Sinistar, Nintendo has been vague on the specs. And this is where it's detrimental to them in their advertising because they don't tell you the... Was it the PPI of the display? Yeah, right. Like the pixel density of the display. Because that does matter. I like...

[00:15:28] Look, I like my OLED Steam Deck. The screen is real pretty. And the last few phones I bought have been OLED screens on them. And I like the OLED displays. But I also have an analog pocket, which is an LCD screen. It's a super high-res LCD screen. Yeah. It's this big, but it's super high-density pixel count means it looks freaking gorgeous. And you put it side-by-side with the Steam Deck? Yeah, it's smaller. But compared side-by-side, they are both very bright.

[00:15:55] The black range of blacks to bright spots on the screen is very comparable. It's a nice-looking LCD screen. They can make good LCD screens. Whether that's the case with Switch 2, I don't know. But it's not like... But isn't it a power thing? ...LC is instantly trash. I'm not saying it is. Sure. But I mean, don't you get... With OLED, you get more beef out of your battery, right? Isn't that... Yes. You can. Yeah. Okay, yeah. Yeah, there's... That's what I'm aiming for is more life... Longer lifespan than... Sure. You know, it's not totally a look thing. It's more of an efficiency thing is what I was thinking. Yeah.

[00:16:24] So they say... So the original Switch was... I think it was two to six hours for the very first Switch. And then they did a light refresh. They didn't advertise it, but the battery was improved in the second version of the Switch that came out. It was like two and a half hours plus. And then I think the OLED finally hit the three-hour mark. But the original hardware was the same around the two-hour mark. And it is going to depend on what games you play. I mean, we have Steam decks. We're familiar. If I try and play Monster Hunter on my Steam deck, I'm lucky if I get two hours of the damn thing.

[00:16:54] Yeah. But if I'm streaming something or playing an indie game or Hollow Knight or something, then I get like three, four hours, if not more. So it's really going to depend on the games you're playing on this thing, I guess. Yeah. Big difference between Gungeon and Cyberpunk. Exactly. It's the theme tonight. Right. So we didn't mention the controllers. They're back with these stupid Joy-Cons. Joy-Cons. Do you guys even like the Joy-Cons? Like, Drift Asci, we all know that's broken. But do you guys even like them? No.

[00:17:24] I do not. I mean, all right. So the Switch Lite has the built-in one, right? Yeah. So, you know, this works fine. But I don't... I think we've argued about this with the way these are set up. The sticks are set up. It's the same way as kind of Microsoft. Yeah, the off-center. I know most of you guys like it. I'm not a fan of it myself. But as for the Switch Lite, this is basically just a handheld.

[00:17:49] So my wife has the real Switch in the bedroom. And I've not played it much on the Joy-Cons itself because I need a controller. I need to actually feel like I'm playing my stuff. And I haven't played it enough to really complain about it. But I listen to you guys because a lot of you guys have played a ton of it. And I don't like it because you guys don't like it. I mean, this, in this mode, is incredibly uncomfortable to me. Like, I mean... It's cumbersome. Yeah.

[00:18:19] Or not cumbersome. Like, the problem is, is like... Just use it as an ounce. I have to, like... I have to... Well, we'll get to that. We'll get there. But, I mean, if it's docked and I'm playing it in handheld mode, it's okay. It's okay. Is it bad? Without the drift, no, it's not really bad. But is it good? No, it's not really good. Yeah, it's not good. I honestly hate the feel of these little joysticks.

[00:18:48] Like, the travel is so small on that rotation. Yeah. And I don't know. And the buttons. The buttons are freaking tiny. They're super small. Yeah. And on the Joy-Cons, we don't have the D-pad. That still pisses me off eight years later. I still hate that. And I know on the Switch Lite, it has a D-pad. My daughter has a Switch Lite, so I've used hers quite a bit. And I miss that D-pad. And I'm shocked they didn't offer at least an alternative Joy-Con for the left that you can buy from Nintendo.

[00:19:18] Yeah. Like, I hate the buttons. It's the same reason I don't like the PS controllers. You guys know I can't stand those controllers because of the segmented D-pad. It's the same on the Switch. Oh, is it? Because of the presentation? I get it. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I know Hori makes accessories for the Switch. And they do make controller, like Joy-Cons. And I know they're officially licensed, but I never liked their hardware. And I still don't like their D-pad. I want something from Nintendo that has a D-pad besides the Pro Controller. One of the best. But I'm with you. The small Joy-Cons are uncomfortable.

[00:19:48] My hands hurt just watching you hold it up. And like, when you're playing Mario Party or Mario Kart, yes, it's convenient to have, you know, the two controllers in one. But that pair of Joy-Cons is like $90 US, if I'm not wrong. It's more expensive than the first generation of Switch. It's $90, which means it's $45 for each half. I'd rather just spend $45 and get an 8-bit dough controller. Yeah. They're very nice looking, Wolf. The Zelda Joy-Cons. Right. But they're so small.

[00:20:19] Yeah. Well, this is the Hori one that's just digital. So it's not Bluetooth. But I wanted the D-pad because I could not stand the little buttons. Yeah. Playing games like Binding of Isaac. Oh, yeah. Using an analog stick. It doesn't work for me. Absolutely not. I need the cardinal directions. And then trying to do that with all the little buttons, it wears your thumb. It's like playing NES, right? When you got to do a whole lot of movements, you're just rubbing your thumb raw on the D-pad on the NES. Yeah.

[00:20:48] And the little buttons kind of do the same thing. And then in... Go ahead. Real quick. I'm sorry. Well, you're in the middle of an explanation. I'm cutting you off. Go ahead and finish. And I'll ask my question. I also wanted to touch on what Sinistar was talking about, about the Joy-Con movement. It very much reminds me of this stupid little nub up here on the PSP. Yeah. That's my PSP. It's... So weird. Yep.

[00:21:15] So, I mean, it's not nearly as bad as the PSP, but it's not great, right? Nintendo solved it. Right? Yeah. It's the Xbox. You're holding up the Pro Controller for the audio listeners. And I think when we did our controller brackets, we ranked the Pro Controller high up the list, right? Pro Controller is a great controller. It is a great controller. It looks like an Xbox controller. No, but the question... My question is, for this specifically, for the missing D-pad that should be on here, in lieu of it, it has the four buttons.

[00:21:45] Now, isn't that supposed to be a mirroring of the XYBA when you're playing separately? Yes. Yeah. So then the up and down turn into that, so that's why it would be segmented. That makes sense to me. But I feel like... I don't have... I mean, my hands are relatively large, but they're not as big as, say, Sinistars or Jake's. And I feel like I'm going to break this thing. Like, this thing is... Yeah, well... I watch people play it. I'm like, what are you doing? You're smelling your fingers. Like, what is going on? It's... I don't...

[00:22:13] I feel like Ricky Bobby when I'm playing this. I don't know what to do with my hands when I'm holding onto this thing. So, I do want to mention, by increasing the screen size, they did have to increase the new Joy-Con 2 size. A little bit, at least. A smidge better. A little bit better. Um, and they did talk about, you know, they did talk about the L&R, you know, buttons. Right. They did increase those. Although, I have a feeling... That's good, because they don't feel like buttons on this one.

[00:22:42] I have a feeling that the reason that they increased the size on those is because that's the magnetic attachment. Yeah. I don't think they actually increased the size for the human factor. No. They basically wanted larger magnets, and they conveniently gave us better buttons because they needed larger magnets. The other reason I can tell you right now is the original Switch, the L&R buttons are super tiny, but you're meant to attach a rail to the top for the wrist strap.

[00:23:10] And that rail has two fake buttons on top that are much larger that push the smaller buttons underneath. Like caps or something. So that's also the first thing that gets lost in a household. Like, honestly, that's one of the first things we lost. I can't find mine. I don't know where mine are. So I appreciate that the buttons are larger. I have kids, yeah. I appreciate that the buttons on this one are also metal because of magnetics. They're probably going to feel a lot better. I think there's going to be more of a click to them, and they are bigger.

[00:23:33] I was worried about the magnetic connection to the device because my issue with my current Switch right now is you slide them on, you slide it the wrong way. Because, again, I have kids one too many times, and that becomes a very wobbly connection. And my Switch, if I do handheld half the time, it disconnects while I'm trying to play. It's awful. That's actually something. Well, we use the stupid little slidey bit on the Joy-Cons a lot because we play Switch Sports.

[00:24:02] So, you know, it's mostly golf, maybe bowling. But those are the majority of what we play. So, you know, we have that little thing to strap it to our wrist so we're not throwing this tiny little remote around the house. And so it gets used a lot for that. But we also had to use it for Clubhouse games because you can't play Clubhouse with a Pro Controller. It says no. You have to play it with Joy-Cons. When you plug it in, it says no. Who thought that was a good idea?

[00:24:31] No, it literally is just like everybody who wants to play needs a Joy-Con. Why do we have to use this stupid little controller? Some games are. Most games are not. It's got to waggle. That's really bizarre. Like I can tell you one of the reasons why I didn't buy the recent Mario Party and I bought the one before. I think there's three Mario Parties on Switch, on the original Switch. They bought the middle one because it was a throwback to the earlier boards and earlier games on the N64.

[00:25:00] And they're all controller based, no motion. And I loved it because it meant I didn't have to play with the Joy-Cons. I could use any Bluetooth controller. We played the crap out of that with my household. So when they brought out the new Mario Party, I was almost going to pick it up. But a number of the games, you're forced to use a Joy-Con. And I don't want that. I really don't, especially for how much they cost. I've had an awful time with Drift over the years. Every pair of Joy-Cons I've had has had Drift. And I've sent them in to get repaired, I think, four times now for different sets.

[00:25:30] I'm done. I don't even want to think about it anymore. So I've heard that they've made improvements to the new Joy-Cons. They are bigger. The joysticks are built differently. They're not Hall Effect from what I heard. I know there's a rumor they would be, but they're not. They're just redesigned. So they're bigger, better designed, potentially solve the drift issue. We'll see. They are more secure when they attach to the side of the screen. So that's better. But they're still super tiny no matter how you swing it. It's bizarre to me.

[00:25:59] These are the smallest controllers I've ever seen in my life. They are. My Firelink is bigger than this goddamn controller. The fact that the new controllers are bigger is also going to be nice. Because you look at how close these stupid buttons are to the analog stick. For a player to use that, it's not just that these buttons like you got L here and R here. And then you're playing on the middle of the controller.

[00:26:25] Your thumb is doing yoga while you're playing with this thing. All this real estate right here. But that's where the seatbelt is going to go, right? Yeah. Yeah. But we shouldn't talk because we're talking the Steam Deck. And where are the controls in the Steam Deck? All the way up. All the way up at the top. You know what, though? It's weird. It's where your thumbs naturally land. It makes sense as a controller vertically. As like the right side or left side of a controller, it makes sense.

[00:26:54] When it becomes an NES controller, it doesn't. And again, as Nintendo often does, they have a good idea and then execute it in the weirdest way possible. Yeah. It is Nintendo all over. But I mean, at least they've taken some of the feedback on the original Switch. We'll see how it does. They make a really good shoe and they make it a hat.

[00:27:24] It's true. The new Pro Controller is essentially the old Pro Controller. Although the buttons appear to be a little bit bigger, the sticks are a little bit different. And then they added more buttons. So now you have to explain to your grandmother that you have L and R and RL or LT and RT. Now you have to explain the gurgler. Yeah. GL and GR. The gurgler. Do you know how hard it is trying to tell kids and family who are not gamers how to play games and say, OK, hit R.

[00:27:53] No, not that R. No, not that R. The other R. RT. RT, I said. No, not RB. And now I'm going to say, no. Hit GL. Or you map those to something and you keep telling your grandma, Grandma, stop gurgling. Get the gurgler. Yeah. Well, I mean, I hate that button placement, if I'm being honest. On the Steam Deck, we've got two on either side, right? R4 and 5 and L4 and 5. Right. I don't use them. Yeah. I don't touch them.

[00:28:23] Games that do where I get my grip in. And if there's a button that activates something on there, I'm squeezing it all the time because I'm trying to skip my grip on there. Final Fantasy XII, since I've been playing through that as my Sisyphean, one of those buttons is the same button as whatever button it is to skip cut scenes. The amount of time I've accidentally skipped cut scenes because I was just, I'm like, oh, I need to scratch an itch while I'm in a cut scene. Yeah.

[00:28:50] And then the other button gets pressed with my middle finger because more weight is on that hand. And it's like, ah, crap. Yeah. So I can't stand those buttons in that position. It's not, uh, it's not practical. Right? Yeah. I don't know. The ones in the Steam Deck, I don't push very often. Sorry, Wolf. But like for when I play Monster Hunter, I have one of the maps to Y and A together. And when you're playing Monster Hunter with the combos, hitting one button for Y and A is like a game changer.

[00:29:19] So I love those buttons. I have a theory about not just the C button, but those programmable gurgle buttons. They are, I think, yeah, I think the idea is we can't sell a new pro controller that just has the chat button. We have to have some other thing that it adds to the previous pro controller to sell more of these.

[00:29:47] You can't just throw a C on there and buy it. Yeah. So that's the thing is, is that, um, they have said that there is, there is backwards compatibility for the most part with accessories, like in terms of the Bluetooth controllers. So if you're like me and you have a pair of 8-bit dough controls upstairs, which those things are amazing. I have the ultimate 8-bit dough controllers and the SN30 Pro also really good. SN30, fantastic controllers. And they work fine. The only, the only negative is you won't have the glurgleur buttons, which whatever.

[00:30:17] I'm fine. I'm fine with that. I'm glad they didn't try to be stupid. Stop gurgling. That's me, thanks. Stop gurgling. I don't know. Okay. Don't gurgle over the intro. But we should, we should probably move on. Is there anything else in the hardware you guys want to talk about or should we be watching the game? The microphone, the microphone. Well, oh, and stupid and stupid mouse mode. Oh, like how could I forget mouse mode? Oh my God. Okay.

[00:30:46] So I was watching this the other morning. My kid got up out of bed, came out, had his breakfast because I had made burritos and just left them for him to heat up. So he comes out while I'm watching and he's eating and he's only half paying attention to this because he's just like not drawn in by the Nintendo Direct. It's 11 years old that he doesn't give a rat's ass. And he's a gamer. That's a sign. There you go. And he sees the mouse mode because that's what the part of the video is on at that point.

[00:31:15] And after they start talking about the mouse thing for a couple minutes, he's like, that just looks uncomfortable. Yeah. Well, okay. An 11 year old. And I want to point out that the way that they were showing people holding it. First off, it looks like it's a single button. Yeah. Second off, you're holding a wedge in your hand.

[00:31:37] So to Wolf Pup's point, this is going to just wreck your palm and your grip and everything. And then, okay, we're going to get to a quick game that we're going to mention, but it's part of this hardware. The basketball wheelchair game. Where you take your... Woke Rocket League is what I saw somebody jokingly refer to, and I think it's hilarious.

[00:32:03] Which you take your two controllers and you start doing this in... Like for those watching or listening, my grip one in each hand and basically you slide forward or backward. And I mean, I get the concept because like, yeah, if you're a person in a wheelchair to turn, you use one arm more than the other or a direction or whatever. Yeah. But like, I don't know.

[00:32:31] I'm looking at this just going, man, are we introducing a new generation of carpal tunnel? Yeah. Seriously. The claw. It's the claw. I'll say that basketball game does look interesting. I jokingly call it Woke Rocket League, but I think it is an interesting looking game. But the problem I have with mouse mode is I don't want to sit at a desk or a table and play my Switch. I want to sit on my couch. I'm not going to sit there on a coffee table hunched over. I already got a hump.

[00:33:01] I work in IT for fuck's sake. I'm not going to bend over a table and do the mouse movements. Just like maybe it works my pant leg, but that still seems like something I'm never going to use this. If I were in the mouse, I'll go to my desktop, right? I just need a pillow with a hard top. We're introducing a new generation to shredded jeans. Yeah. Thanks, Nintendo.

[00:33:26] Cinnastar, get your Joy-Con, hold it like it's a mouse, and then remove it from your hand with your other hand and show what your hand looks like. It's awful. It's the claw. I've been playing Ms. Pac-Man for 17 hours. I've been wheelchair basketballing all night. My wrist is damaged. All right. If you're listening to the podcast, this part is worth coming to YouTube and watching. Oh, my God. It looks like it's...

[00:33:54] I don't know how far in we are, but let's see. It looks like we're 30, 35, 36 minutes in. Yeah. About 35 minutes. Yeah. So, oh, my gosh. It's one of those things. Again, I appreciate the idea. The execution is, again, not quite there. It's that third prong on the controller from N64, right? Right.

[00:34:24] There was a good idea. They didn't quite get there in making it on the same wing of the controller. Just put another stick in the middle of it and throw a con in it and be good. Yeah. Like the C button. Yeah. It's more unique control schemes from the people and people who never asked for them, but that's what Nintendo does. They do this all the time. I'm still shocked the screen is even a touchscreen. I'm glad it is for the three games that might use it.

[00:34:53] But this mouse mode, I know they're going to do some interesting stuff with it. But I don't think I want to use it at a desk or a table, but maybe something will happen to change my mind. I'll tell you, it is weird. They didn't even mention Mario Paint at all in this direct. And I know it's the first big direct and there's lots of announcements throughout the year. And I'm sure at some point they're going to release SNES Mario Paint on NSO. If they don't, they're crazy. But it's been how many decades? And you have a mouse now on your Joy-Con support.

[00:35:22] Why not have a new Mario Paint? Like, I think people would be all over a Mario Paint. Or at the very least update Mario Maker. I mean, that's what it seems like it would be great. They would rather do... I believe that Mario Paint would be more popular than another Mario Party, personally. I think that more people would be into that than another Mario Party. Or this bastard-eyed version of a Mario Party they're trying to release to you. I came up with another Nintendo accessory idea.

[00:35:51] Pants that are, like, thick on the legs so that you don't wreck them. Just get Jankos, bro. Just get some Jankos. Yeah, get yourself some fire. Or a fresh pair of Jankies. Okay. Nintendo, you know, branded Jankos. Nintend Janko. It's crazy. All right. So, I think for me to summarize hardware, it sounds much more powerful than the previous Switch, which is great. I heard it's equivalent to PS4 Pro, which is interesting.

[00:36:21] But the control scheme, even with the changes, I think I'm still going to want to use an 8-bit controller if I even get one of these. We should talk games because we're over half an hour in. I wanted... First-party games. I mean, there was only a few that I announced. I mean, the big two... Well, the big three, if you want to consider Kirby Air Rider is a big game. But the main ones are Mario Kart World and then the Donkey Kong game.

[00:36:50] Mario Kart Forza, excuse me. So, you say that and you're like, you really are hating on this game because you're compared to Forza. But I've seen gameplay. I don't think it's Forza. I am not kidding. Can you drive around the maps a little bit if you want to? Yes, you can. But you can also just dip into a race. It's mostly a glorified loading screen that you can explore. I don't think it's like Forza.

[00:37:16] Forza, you pull up to a spot and join a race. You now... Okay. It does instance the race, sure. But it's... The races are part of the exploration. And so... Speed does that. Yeah. Burnout does that. Burnout does that. Like, I'm not kidding. This... Like, even the photo taking that they're like, you can take photos. I'm like, I can do that in fucking Forza. Every game's got a photo mode now. And it's kind of a trend I don't like.

[00:37:46] It feels like you don't want to take pictures while you're driving. I got a phone to do that. But why do I want to take a picture of Mario's ass in the air playing Mario Kart? Hold on. Everybody needs that. This is a great race. Wait. This is a great race. Hold on. Do a lot of people make a lot of use of photo modes in games? No. No. I've never used it. Stellar Blade. Let me drop Stellar Blade on you. Stellar Blade was a... Yeah.

[00:38:16] Is photo mode just, like, cheap and easy to implement? Is that why all the games do it these days? Stellar Blade uses photo mode for a secondary mission to go find pictures in the world. And if you take pictures next to them and pose and do your little poses, you get points. And you get experience. And you can level up things by doing that. And you find... At least that makes use of it mechanically. I get that.

[00:38:40] But, I mean, I've never gone out of my way to be like, oh, this is a beautiful scenery in this game. Let me get my character, you know, throwing the peace sign and sticking their tongue out while I've got this vista behind me and a giant dinosaur robot. I don't do it. Right? Yeah. I use... That's what the screen's for. I use... I use Steam screenshots when shit breaks and gets weird. Right. Right. Which... That's it. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:39:10] Which, if... Honestly, how... What's the last time you played a Switch game that shit went weird and you wanted to take a picture? Honestly, there was... There was the screenshot that's built into the Switch. Yeah. I use that usually, like, if I'm playing an RPG and there's something I want to remember. And I don't want to, like... Yes. Take notes. Screenshot. I can see that later. Not a problem. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:39:39] I feel like the use of a photo mode makes sense in, like, an MMO. Yeah. Because you're doing stuff with your friends and you've got a group of people doing stuff. It's social stuff. It's social stuff, right? That's a good thing. It's... The reality that I'm in to go, hey, that's pretty cool. We'll take a picture of that. You know, I'm...

[00:40:08] I'm way too invested. If the game's gonna grab me enough to pull me in, I'm not gonna take time to take pictures. Stellar Blade's the only thing I used it in. Because, like I said, it was a mechanic that was in the game. And even so, I hated using it. I hated going out and taking selfies for an outfit. That's... That's how Forza is. It has, like, a couple introduction missions that are like, go to this place and take a picture of your car on this hill. And then as soon as that was done and I was

[00:40:37] done with those missions, I was like, never gonna do that again. Yep, gonna go jump off a cliff. Let's go. Like Monster Hunter Rise, when it first came on the Switch, it had a photo mode and you had to do a tutorial for it and I hated every one of those five minutes was tedious. I'm so glad Monster Hunter Wilds didn't even bother. It's crazy. I'm sorry I derailed us on photo modes. I just don't see the selling points of it. Mario Kart, going back to Mario Kart, let me pull up footage for people

[00:41:05] on the YouTube. I do want to talk about this. I love Mario Kart. I don't know if you guys are into it or not. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe especially is probably the most played game on our Switch. My kids and I play it. The accessibility options to make it so they can't go off the tracks and the auto gas and all that stuff has made it kind of the go-to game for my kids as a gateway into gaming. So this has so much since they're showing an actual kart, which is a rare thing these days. Real quick, the improvements of Mario Kart world

[00:41:35] is that it is a large map for each zone and you can drive in free roam mode. Just drive around the map and look at all the different tracks. There's a lot of hidden secrets to find. They haven't fully detailed what it is but there seems like there's a lot of Easter eggs and stuff to find in explore mode but otherwise it's Mario Kart. You go, you pick your cup and you have a sequence of tracks. The difference thing in this one is instead of loading between tracks you actually, after you finish one race you hop onto a freeway

[00:42:05] and you drive to the next track and depending on how you do when that drives through the next track is how you get placed in the next race. So it feels like a lot less downtime for a Mario Kart game and you get back into it. Go ahead. We're not seeing footage. Are you? Are you not? No, we're not. Wolf and I were trying to use our... There we go. Wolf and I were trying to use our system of not talking over your discussion to say, hey, it's not working but nobody's reading it. Where's Pedro Pascal?

[00:42:35] I'm not seeing Pedro Pascal here. Where's Pedro Pascal? Well, it's not in 4K. You don't see that fidelity of Pedro Pascal's beard and stubble unless it's a 4K60. I'm not going to lie. Mario Kart World looks super cool. Yeah. Absolutely. But it's not enough to make me pay $500 plus for a console. It's just not. Or $80 for the game directly. Okay.

[00:43:04] Well, because we're all saying, oh, $450 plus tax. That's bringing the console up to $500 at the register without a game. Yeah. Yeah. So we might as well explain it. I think we might as well explain the pricing real quick. So Nintendo's not been the greatest with explaining their pricing. There's still some stuff that's in flux and we'll talk of it a little bit later. But for example, the new Donkey Kong game which seems like a full-on single-player experience that you expect from Nintendo,

[00:43:33] that will be $70 US. For whatever reason, Mario Kart World on its own standalone will be $80 in the US. In terms of the hardware, the base model Switch 2 is $450. But if you get the bundle, which includes Mario Kart, it's $500. So if you buy the bundle, you get Mario Kart for $50 essentially. They haven't explained fully why, but when we look at the pricing of other games, they're re-releasing certain Switch 1 games.

[00:44:02] Like for example, Tears of the Kingdom. They're releasing Tears of the Kingdom, a Switch 2 version of it that includes all the DLC and add-ons as well as a phone app. Big whoop. But that will also be $80. Kirby's Forgotten Lands with the new DLC, that's being ported to the Switch 2. That will also be $80. So it's not just Mario Kart that's $80. There's other things too. So I'm wondering if it's based on the amount of content in a game is why they're pricing it at $80.

[00:44:31] Although I don't think I like it. I had wondered if it was that game sharing, which, okay, real quick, that's a little bit hardware, a little bit software. So we'll talk, if you're okay talking about it. They're reintroducing basically a feature that was on the DS and the 3DS where... And the GBA. And the GBA. Some games that you only had to buy one cart and you could share them across multiple. Like it wasn't like I could be, you know, I could buy it

[00:45:00] and my family could be playing it when I'm not. It was these shared games that were multiplayer. Yeah. But you only had to buy one cart and they're bringing that back. And so for me, when I heard Mario Kart was going to be 80, I initially kind of thought maybe that's because it's going to have this game sharing. But you're saying that Breath of the Wild will be 80 and Kirby Forgotten Lands will be 80. And I don't think either of those really have a,

[00:45:29] like a shared multiplayer aspect. No. And they were 60 on the Switch 1, but they both had... The Breath of the Wild and... I'm sorry. Tears of the Kingdom had post-launch DLC that was paid. This is being bundled in with it. Kirby, the DLC is brand new and it's being bundled with it. Mario Party, the latest Mario Party game that's on Switch is getting a Switch 2 version that also includes a substantial amount of DLC stuff bundled in with it now. And that will also be 80 bucks. Breath of the Wild is also getting

[00:45:57] that treatment with the DLC built in, but that is only $70. I don't know if it's a combination of the fact that it's a fucking Wii U game. Older. Or that, you know, it's not as much. It's discounted. But yeah, so it seems like it really does feel like that Nintendo is more flexible on their pricing. There has been some stuff, there's some chatter going around that in the European Union, Switch games had a listed physical price and a digital price

[00:46:25] with the physical price being $10 more. But that's only been announced for Europe, not for the United States or Canada. So they're very nebulous on the pricing and they haven't explained fully why they're coming at certain things. I will say that Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, they released over the last couple of years this DLC expansion pack where they doubled the tracks in the game. And I think the expansion pass for Mario Kart 8 was, I want to say $15 to $20. It might be even $20. I don't know if you guys know offhand.

[00:46:55] I don't remember. That made the game massive. The $20. And I was fine paying $20 for that because it doubled the tracks. Now you can debate the quality of the tracks that came out in that and that's fine. But I loved it. I thought it was really great. New characters, doubling the tracks is a huge thing because Mario Kart 8 Deluxe had a lot of tracks already. So double that is nuts. If this game has that level of tracks, then maybe, maybe I can live with it. I have seen from the gameplay on Treehouse streams this week

[00:47:24] that there's like multiple tabs of characters. I think it's at least 24 characters. Well, it has to be because it's 24 racers now. Multiple costumes for the characters, all that kind of stuff. Stuff that if this was an EA or even a game on PlayStation or Xbox, you know the costumes and characters would be DLC day one. Nintendo doesn't tend to do that. So maybe they're coming out from the angle of we're giving you 25 plus characters. We're giving you costumes. We're giving you all these tracks. We're charging you more for it. I mean, love it or hate it, but I think that's

[00:47:54] where they're coming from on it. Didn't you say there was a lack of customization in World versus what 8 had? So it doesn't have the cart creation that you had in 8. Because in 8, you could pick, and 7, I believe as well, you could pick the wheels, your body, and then your glider. In this, there's a lot more carts, but they come with their stats baked in. I don't know if characters still have stats. I think they probably still do. And I don't know if costumes are affecting that at all as well either. So we don't know how much that factors into the whole thing.

[00:48:24] So there's still different cart stats, but it does seem less customizable from like you don't get to build your own. I kind of see it because I think, honestly, when I used to play Mario Kart 8 online, everybody was using one of three builds because you kind of metagame the makeup of the best tires, the best body, and all that. This probably gets you more away from that. Maybe from a balancing perspective, it's easier. It makes sense. I can't wait to play as my favorite character, Cow. Yeah. Why is it called Cow and not Moo Moo?

[00:48:55] Maybe it's a little bit of a clever enough. But that's not even the weirdest character they've added though. It feels like, so they have Peach and Mario and all that stuff, right? They have all the usual suspects. They have Waluigi, Wario, and all that. Great. Fine. But yeah, because there's 24 races in a match now, they had to expand their roster. So I guess instead of eight colored Shy Guys and Yoshis, they added Cow, Dolphin. How does that work? The coin purse from Odyssey that's coins.

[00:49:25] Yeah. Okay. Always want to race. The little thing that goes boing and knocks you in the air. Blarg would be great. I want to play as Reznor. Blarg. We're not going back to the Nine Chnails episode. You know what Blarg is, right, Charlie? Yeah, he's the little lava monster. The lava chomper that comes out in Mario World. I thought you were talking about the fucking controllers. I don't know. No, its name was actually Blarg. And Reznor. I want to play as Glar.

[00:49:55] Reznor was the four rhinos on the... Triceratops. I remember the Reznor. Yeah. Yeah. But there's a wild number of enemy characters into it and maybe that's just fluff. Maybe just padding out the rosters so that when you're on a track there's more things there. But the idea that they added a dolphin in the coin purse as characters is kind of like Nintendo. Why not the hat from Odyssey? Yeah, Cappy. Why not the hat from... You know, if they don't have the hat like what's his name? Cappy? If they don't have Cappy

[00:50:25] as a costume for Mario I'll be shocked. Like they'd have to, right? Because that's the most recent incarnation of Mario. Right. I don't know. We'll have to see. But you know, they have Pauline. I like Pauline as a character from Odyssey. She's now a racer. It does feel like they pulled some of the ideas from the mobile Mario Kart Mario Kart Tour into this game with the various characters and the costumes. Like there's a Toad with a burger hat. There's a Mariachi Waluigi for some reason. Like Biker Bowser. Like there's a lot of there's a lot of

[00:50:55] cosmetic stuff baked into the game. So is it worth $80? We gotta see. I know they announced another direct exclusive to Mario Kart on April 17th. I'm gonna really watch that one and see what's there. Because like I feel like if anything even if it even if we want to pretend that $80 is good enough for Mario Kart in this case it opens the door to other game companies now saying screw your $70 we're going straight to $80 plus. Like Rockstar has been rumored

[00:51:24] that they wanted to charge more for Grand Theft Auto 6 for months now because of how much money that game makes already the demand for it the hype for it they've rumored they wanted to do it for $100 but they're hesitant because they don't want to piss gamers off. But if you have somebody like Nintendo coming out of the gate saying we can charge $80 here $70 here $50 here I bet you Rockstar is gonna pump that price If it works yeah absolutely Now I'm I'm no stranger to

[00:51:53] varying price points for a console I think PlayStation did it you'd see games anywhere from like $20 to $50 depending on you know what the game was how AAA it was what the publisher all that right so I saw there were games that released for $10 at the end of its lifespan greatest hits yeah no not even greatest hits like Blaster Master and Eternal Eyes and a couple others they just released at $10 because it was the tail end of the system

[00:52:23] they were super low budget it just was what it was but like it seems like Nintendo kind of heard the complaints that not all the games should be charged the same amount and went like alright we'll go higher it's like no no no Metroid Prime the Zelda Game Boy remake should have been $40 out of the gate you read it wrong you read it wrong you read it wrong

[00:52:54] yeah the Switch won toward the end of its life there's a few games I've bought for the Switch because I thought well how can I go wrong with Zelda Echoes of Wisdom I loved Link's Awakening I loved that game even if it was overpriced and I got I paid the $70 or the $60 for Echoes of Wisdom and I can't stand that game the Kirby game I know people love it Forgotten Land there's a lot of cool stuff in it I have not bounced off a game so fast in ages like it's just not great that's why when I seen I saw the Peach's Showtime I

[00:53:25] if it wasn't full price I probably would have picked that up right but there's been a lack of quality in some recent Nintendo games like even even the Mario RPG game I know that wasn't full price and some of the Mario parties I look at those games I look at the graphic style I feel like they've cheaped out in certain areas to push it out and that's fine if you're charging $40 for a game right but if you're charging the $60 I don't want to be ripped off paying for Nintendo games I really don't especially when they never go on sale so I think this kind of brings

[00:53:55] the question to a head and that is you know the four of us are like gamers like yeah when we examine this we're going to look at this and we're going to say okay they're bringing Cyberpunk to the Switch 2 meh they're bringing you know this this other PC game and this other PC game or other console game etc and when I look at when I look at you know the quality of console or or whatever

[00:54:24] like to me I play Switch for first party games and and then maybe you know the little the little you know casual games right and so the question that I mean I think Nintendo's always tried to push this is a family device this is a yeah you know buy this for your kid for Christmas like it was back in the day cyberpunk on a family's device that's so I'm sorry

[00:54:53] why is it Dead Souls why is a FromSoft Dead Souls game on a anyway yeah it's not yes it's a family oriented console but it's it's not had that image for a while fully right like it's it's still a gaming device even Switch 1 Gamecube had Resident Evil so it's not it's not always that case that's still the argument you bring up a good point when you're saying like yeah they're bringing you'd mentioned Cyberpunk which is has been out for a while on PC the Hitman

[00:55:23] World of Assassination which great game don't get me wrong Elder Ring great game I love Elder Ring that's coming to Switch 2 Tarnished Edition there's a few games yeah there's a bunch of games that bring in their their older PC games or older you know Xbox PS games a lot of major releases from five years ago yeah I mean that's the thing they're five years old I mean is this going to be is this realistically going to be the only console for some people and they might want to play those maybe possibly there's there's a lot of people who just have

[00:55:52] one console still I know we like you look behind me and I've got ridiculous amounts and but I don't even have like the PS5 I don't have the new Xbox I haven't had an Xbox since 360 I have a PS4 that was gifted to me I didn't buy it I did buy the Switch so I generally will only buy one console per you know generation anymore so if not for the PS4 being gifted to me I would only have the Switch

[00:56:21] but I have a PC I also game a lot on PC and so it's it's kind of weird like it's it opens up an avenue for a lot of people who might not have these other options cool but it's not the most exciting thing it's like Skyrim on Switch right it had been on so much before that that you're like you're doing all this work for like a dozen people yeah well they announced well they announced but Skyrim did really well on the Switch that's the thing

[00:56:51] they announced that Hogwarts was going to be on the Switch 2 yeah but it's already on Switch 1 I downloaded it for my sister she plays it on there so here's the thing is like with the Switch it was new it was something to travel with the Switch has competition now real competition not just you know a console stuck to a TV there's Steam Decks and Legion Go and all these other ones yeah so like it's there's a market there now Nintendo

[00:57:21] proved it and now PC gamers are like yeah that's 2 yeah yeah yeah like when when I got the first Switch I remember I bought I think I got Breath of the Wild for it and I think I got Odyssey when that was out but I bought a lot of indie games it was my indie game machine and I played the hell of indie games I kind of had a renaissance personal renaissance with indie games on the Switch if I were to buy a Switch 2 for Mario Kart great I'm never gonna buy another indie game on a Switch console not one

[00:57:51] they are cheaper on Steam they go on sale on Steam all the time and they run better on they feel nice on the Steam Deck like they don't it doesn't have that use case anymore for me you're right it's not just it's not the exclusive handheld gaming right with good graphics it's not gonna be my exclusive indie game machine anymore it's certainly not gonna be the game I play retro games on anymore with NSO when I have Emu Deck on my Steam Deck which have 10,000 games right there's better ways to do all those use cases it really will be for me a first party device right

[00:58:19] as cool as Hitman has Hitman's adding Nintendo themed items to it you can throw a mushroom at people in Hitman they've also added color schemes you can dress up as Mario or be a Hitman dressed as Luigi read that into you oh you know that's gonna run rampant on social media nobody tell Nintendo Japan because I feel like when they catch on they're gonna cut that content it's me a murderer those are neat but I would never play those on a Switch I mean okay so I'm coming back

[00:58:49] to the question of like so for families that buy this for their kids right I mean that's really where Nintendo has been strong even from like you know the original NES like everybody was like you know do you have a Nintendo Nintendo was the like even even the Genesis was being called Nintendo right like do you have a Nintendo like yeah I have a Sega like no that's not a Nintendo a Sega Nintendo and so I mean

[00:59:19] I think it comes down to is there enough value proposition here with the pricing changes in particular for this device to continue to live in that market right and so like to me honestly the only first party game I'm I have significant interest in is is Donkey Kong 65 yeah I mean whatever it's called proper name

[00:59:48] I mean whatever it's called Bonanza Bonanza yeah Donkey Kong 65 like that game looks like a blast right because I loved I loved Donkey Kong 64 it looks like a modern version it's built on the Odyssey stuff like I don't know but otherwise like I genuinely I enjoyed the hell out of Super Mario Kart or Super Mario Kart 8 I but I seriously looked at the at Mario Kart world and I was like

[01:00:18] I genuinely feel like I could go play Forza and have a better experience so Mario Kart 8 I mean yeah what well I'm talking the open world the open world experience right but when I don't play Mario Kart don't play Burnout Paradise when I think of Mario Kart I think of just Grand Prix like I just think of tracks or or the it has that or the head exactly or the head to head you know shooting but if I'm and I and I haven't played Mario Kart

[01:00:48] in years I haven't played 8 I haven't played any of the newer ones but when I think Mario Kart I simply just think next race I don't think of traversing the world I don't think of what world has to offer so world to me doesn't sound like something that I would be interested in 8 deluxe sounds more like what I would be interested in as a Mario Kart game and that's just that's just that's my preference right that's not that there's anything wrong with it that's just what I'm used to and I'm more comfortable with it

[01:01:18] and I'm old I can definitely understand that get off my lawn but get off my lawn Mario World I will say like it does look interesting to me I feel like the I feel like Mario Kart World's base concept was they came up with it during COVID when nobody could hang out right right absolutely right like the switch to weeks of COVID impacts applied to gaming right and I don't mean that in any negative or

[01:01:47] positive way it's just the design elements of the thought processes at the time are definitely heavily involved in what the switch to is well and if you look at how sorry if you look at how hardware is manufactured in particular chips this was started years ago yeah and so yes we are talking COVID right anyway but like you know I probably wouldn't play this that much

[01:02:17] because I still think of Mario Kart as couch co-op I don't think of it as play online which is how it's designed right it's designed for playing online and couch co-op but it seems like it's really heavily leaning online and my kid doesn't play Mario Kart my wife doesn't play Mario Kart it would be me playing alone that's not the most fun thing in the world with a Mario Kart I didn't do a whole lot of Mario Kart 8 on the Wii U I have it didn't do a whole lot on it like I unlocked a few things and then I was like well I don't have a way to play with so

[01:02:47] I'm kind of done yeah it still has the couch co-op and it still has the Grand Prix and all that but they I think the issue they have and I think Smash Brothers will have this issue too is Smash Ultimate on Switch 1 and Mario Kart 8 on Switch 1 were pretty much the pinnacle of what that you could do with those games there was so much in those games where do you go from there so I see I look at Mario Kart World I'm thinking yes they've tried to take a different take with a different spin on it they have to do something original

[01:03:17] and I think they've done that we'll have to see but there still is Grand Prix in addition to Grand Prix you do have some exploration if you want to do it we still

[01:03:48] happened to players choice and platinum hits and greatest hits right where does it sounds like sale to me they they went to steam summer spring autumn winter but I wanted to can we talk about the sabotage of Masahiro Sakurai oh you're talking you're talking Kirby Racers yeah Kirby Air Riders

[01:04:18] okay Kirby Air Ride was a fine game it wasn't any like spectacular success it was okay right why other than other than the fact that they're like okay we gave him a project it didn't do well see go back to Smash Brothers because they're releasing Air Riders which is essentially a kart racer six to eight weeks after Mario Kart World what

[01:04:47] other than fuck you Sakurai get back to work on Smash Brothers is that move back to the smash mind get back in your cave maybe maybe maybe this is them trying to say okay you make Air Riders then you we'll let you make a game you want and then yeah you pick the game that we want maybe it's not Smash maybe they really want another kid Icarus because he did that as well too but what kid is in their right mind going to want Kirby Air Riders

[01:05:17] when they already have Mario Kart 9 world like even from what they showed like Kirby is cute and all but it's not going to have anywhere near the level of tracks and characters there's no way right I saw that the first few moments of that with Kirby and I was like another Kirby game already that's weird we've had two in the last years at least two I was like that's really and then it was like Air Riders and I was like that's even weirder

[01:05:46] and they're like oh director Masahiro Sakurai I was like you really think that's selling the game and they're like comes out in July and I was like oh my god you guys did not want this to succeed yeah wow would I have to ask you guys so when you get a new console I'm glad there's a bundle with Mario Kart that's great but I mean we grew up in an era where you know you used to get a game with your with your Nintendo and all that stuff and that's been kind of fading in recent years

[01:06:16] so when they showed off some footage of was it Nintendo Switch World Tour yes and it's essentially a bunch of fun little mini games and interesting development tidbits about the Switch 2 hardware and why it has how HD Rumble works and like playing minigames like guess the frame rate okay this is pretty neat this is a great way to introduce people to the Switch 2 I'm gonna have a loop meltdown over this I swear to god it's a paid experience it's not even free

[01:06:45] it's it's fucking job simulator on the Steam Deck desk simulator desk job simulator I think it's okay I literally it's a fucking free and it's excellent it is a free introduction to your Steam Deck it's free yeah it's cool hang on guys it's awesome it's it's free I don't know if you got that it it's free yeah

[01:07:14] but it's it's entertaining it's funny it's informative right yeah it teaches you how to use the hardware it teaches you a little bit about the hardware and it amuses you and engages you right and it's free yeah wait is it wait how much is it yeah but what Reggie Fils-Aimé had to absolutely fight with Nintendo of Japan to get Wii Sports

[01:07:44] packed in with the Wii yeah and arguably that's the reason the Wii was such a huge hit because it came with a game that you could play with your ridiculous wiggling around the Wii right and honestly I think my introduction to the Wii before I ever had one because I was like eh it's just another console it looks underpowered I went to a friend's house and they're like try bowling yeah we bowl try tennis

[01:08:13] try you know try that whatever and we were like all of a sudden we're looking for a Wii yeah like it was yeah that stupid boxing game my brother and I played the crap out of that it wasn't spectacular but it was an experience and it was packed in I would not have bought Wii Sports the fact that it came with the Wii was a huge bonus and it was a great tech demo for people who were uninitiated right

[01:08:43] yeah so when I look at this Nintendo Switch tour thing it feels less of a game than Wii Sports Wii Sports was mini games for sure but I felt like there's more there to play this feels less to play more to learn yeah there's some neat stuff there there's like a mini golf thing that takes advantage of the mouse because the mouse and it's cool as cramped as it is it doesn't use the gyros to twist around there's a mini golf thing there there's a demo of of Maribuzz 1-1 where it starts at pixel accurate tiny little

[01:09:13] stamp the screen as you explore 1-1 it fills out to 4k that's really cool there's a game where they throw balls across the screen and it's called guess the frame rate I mean if I want to play guess the frame rate I would just go back and play breath of the wild right but it's neat right and to be fair we don't know how much they're going to charge for it the Japanese prices I think it was like 9000 yen which is could be like I think it's around 6 7 bucks American so maybe it's

[01:09:42] $5 American maybe it's $10 American but I think people are going to see that in the eShop and they're not going to pay money for that when they have to drop $80 on whatever Switch 1 game they want re-released it's crazy so it's going to be ignored and if it's good that's a real shame can you imagine if Ikea made you pay for the instructions to build their shit like yeah here's a box of wood here's some screws and an Allen wrench well

[01:10:12] it's a box manual costs extra seven bucks it's a box of wood it's $80 for the first set of like hardware for it and then the instructions are five or six bucks right I mean yeah it would be like my kids meta quest firing it up for the first time and it'd be like all right you need an account and if you want to learn how to use this thing give us five dollars yeah it's like you just paid three four hundred for it but give us five

[01:10:41] more and Jake if I want to play guess the frame rate I'm going to play cyberpunk on the switch two and 4k yeah what do they say they said they said it was performance mode was going to be 40 40 frames per second and quality mode would be like 25 to 30 and that's that's my worry that's my worry what the hell are you advertising the hardware as 1080p 120 or 4k 60 but you're going to have a third party game is going to say

[01:11:11] oh yeah our quality mode will be 25 frames per second come on like come on that's quality even on the steam deck the steam deck runs cyberpunk pretty well right if you want to advertise numbers like those you got to advertise them per game right yeah don't just throw it as like a blanket statement yeah they should have just said 4k resolution and left it yes right yeah or even just just say 1080p 1080p 30 guaranteed

[01:11:41] and anything else extra or depending on the game experience up to 120 depending on the setting in the game cinestar sisyphean game is cyberpunk i challenge you to play it on the switch too and stream that hang on i've got something for you here yeah i bet you do guess how many frames it is huh i found it it's it's a fuck you yeah is that what it is that was four frames

[01:12:12] seven so before we before we finish up i did want to ask like first off whether we're gonna ask whether you guys want to buy one or not but before we get there though i do have three kids two my oldest daughter didn't even want to watch the direct she's kind of like all in on her phone right now she's definitely a teenager uh my other kid is definitely a gamer but the game she plays i'll tell you right now it's minecraft all day every day among

[01:12:42] us vampire survivors those are the three games she plays and she'll she did try tears of the kingdom and she'll play merry cart with me and merry party but she didn't really want to watch the direct either she's she's not really into the full-on game games and i don't think a lot of kids are into these old games yeah

[01:13:11] he said that looks uncomfortable to the mouse that fits yeah he didn't care one iota about the nintendo direct i've had him sit and watch them with me before and he just he like he checks out it and it was on the living room tv and he had to deal with it and he had his tablet in front of him he was like yeah i'm not watching this with dad but like two days later he sat in this room

[01:13:57] game this generation grew up on little bits of fun right yeah and so you don't need this big graphical say anything moment just my my nephew i'm sorry go ahead sir i was gonna say the other question that i had here is are some of these ips that nintendo lives on really our generation like mario is mario an icon

[01:14:27] to kids anymore no mario is an icon to us yeah my kid does like mario i will say that like as a character he's not all in on the games right but for us it was like there's a new mario game there's a new mario game there's a new you know no but he actually once upon a time found the mario brothers super show on netflix at one point and started watching it and he loved it which is like what but you know he liked super mario 3d world come on

[01:14:57] yeah he liked super mario 3d world he played a little bit of odyssey he played a little bit of wonder but he didn't play them heavily it's not us who was like oh it's a new mario game i'm gonna get a new mario game where your sister is pulling a new game where your all of us are like hey metroid dread was a throw to us yeah amazing yeah yeah yeah my nephew my nephew is is

[01:15:26] clamoring for a switch to clamoring for it what does he play fortnight in minecraft so it's not like he's playing anything that is is an exclusive to nintendo but it's right i know but i mean like when you talk when i talk i want to switch i want to switch for metroid prime 4 i want to switch for the next 3d mario platformer i want to switch for nintendo

[01:15:56] specific exclusivity right so i mean and metro i love metroid dread that's one of the only games that i really played heavily on my switch but even when i got it because i got gifted this my mother gave me this and then i went and bought my wife the oled because she really wanted to play uh animal crossing when it when it came out so that was it though i have two i have i have legend of zelda which is lord optics it's not even mine in metroid dread and then animal crossing that's it and then

[01:16:26] everything else is done on the pc so it's like the only thing you get a switch for is for the exclusive stuff so you guys say that it's you know it's it's for gamers but it's also not it's for exclusive stuff it's i don't understand the bridging of the gap like you don't understand why tiger punk's on there i don't understand why elden ring's on there i don't understand why one of my all-time favorite companies is making a game exclusively for it i don't care if it's a dungeon hack

[01:16:56] multiplayer game i'll talk about it in a minute so what i mean charge charge gonna buy charge gonna buy one no my nephew's gonna buy it i'm gonna play dust was on his you'll pick for six months i'm just gonna steal it my brother said he's gonna do something bad he'll get grounded and i'll take it from him as a punishment so it's so we we mentioned something uh the other day that uh it's it seems like they're designing this with gamers in mind but not for gamers right that's kind of the

[01:17:25] statement that was made and i would say yeah yeah and i thought about it because like a lot of these things that they're implementing are for gamers but a lot of the way they're handling the rollout of this thing is very anti-gamer it's very casual well my brother my brother is a huge gamer but he will not game on his pc i don't know why he just won't do it he'll buy a ps5 he said he's

[01:17:55] gonna get the switch too he plays games more than i do because he comes from home he gets home from work and plays games unless he's got plans to go out with friends he's just gaming at home after work here's and here's being a previous console gamer like i was an exclusively console gamer in 2000 i was i was only playstation i was only you know xbox i was only those guys that would not play on my pc and it's because i didn't know what the hell i was doing at the time and i thought it was too hard when i was

[01:18:24] younger man you'd go into dos prompt you type in d quoll and whatever doom and you'd fire it up right well everything got more complicated and it didn't but it wasn't it like my old brain was like i only know how to fire games up on dos i don't know how to put up a i don't know how to put a shortcut on my stuff so i avoided pcs for a long time because it was instant it was instant gratification i come home i hit power i grab a controller i'm ready i'm playing and then i learned my pc better not that i'm

[01:18:54] saying your brother doesn't know that he has a steam account he has steam games he hasn't logged into his steam account in maybe six years if not more yeah really okay yeah like i used to just buy him the odd game on steam because i was like dude you'll love this and it was like you know 70 off compared to standard pricing so like yeah here have it here instead of on a console because it's cheap and your pc is more powerful than my current pc yeah i brought his pc for him so like i know

[01:19:24] his pc is better than mine by a lot and he just doesn't do it and i don't understand it i don't know why he won't his he said he's gonna buy a switch too but he won't get a steam deck i've tried selling him on the steam deck he won't do it okay so i don't know what to say about that so i will say that you know there's a few family members where once i've shown them what steam is and how easy it is to play games on it i have converted a few people but there is something

[01:19:53] to be said about folks who don't want to tinker at all they don't even want the the risk of something not working they just want to work and then chill out and that's what you get with a console and that's what you get with the switch so whether you're like my brother-in-law he is he buys a new xbox every time they come out he buys call of duty he buys whatever the hockey game is that year and that's all he ever buys and he just wants to sit down play it and go to sleep he doesn't want to take her with nothing he doesn't give a shit so there's definitely people

[01:20:23] who just want it to work and i i get it but if you have a great pc and and you look at the switch too and you're like oh cyberpunk i heard that was really great oh hogwarts legacy or all this go play on your pc don't don't play it on the switch because it's not going to run nearly as nice it just it seems baffling me but i get the idea of cyberpunk at 25 frames sounds pretty good very immersive retro are they making it retro because it's 30 frames for everything

[01:20:52] like in the past like are they just is that their spin is that nintendo spin you have to make you have to hook it up to an else or to a crt with interlacing so that you actually can yeah fire that thing up and it's all fish islands on a flat screen you're like what the hell's going on like silk silk song is got in the nintendo direct silk song got two frames of two seconds of footage and they confirmed that they the release date will be 2025 they didn't give it a month that's coming out on switch

[01:21:22] two it's also going to come out on everything because of course it is right me personally am i going to buy the switch two hell no it's going to run fine on the steam deck it's going to run great probably it'll run great on everything on my pc i streamed my tv upstairs so if i want to play it like a console i can i'll buy those games anywhere but the switch the only thing i would buy personally on a switch is first party and to get back to whether i think i would buy one i really like mario kart a freaking

[01:21:52] ton but i don't know if one or two games is enough like when i was a kid having a console usually meant having only like a handful of games because games used to be a lot more expensive well compared to the cost of hardware but this generation the switch too is almost 200 even if you adjust for inflation the original switch i think was 399 in canada with inflation it was like 500 bucks if you were to buy it today if you adjust it the switch two up here is like 600 bucks or something or 699 or something ridiculous with mario kart

[01:22:21] it's a lot more expensive to get into the hardware and with the games being more expensive i'm only going to own realistically i'm only going to own five switch two games i'm not going to do indie i'm not going to do retro it'll only be first title and i'm i've been burned by nintendo first party stuff i mean very selective on the first party game i even play so i don't know if it's worth a switch two for me especially with the cost involved i don't know what have you guys i i'm interested in mario kart world like i said i'm interested in metroid prime 4 i loved

[01:22:49] the first three it's to me that's still not enough to want to buy it i am not i don't care about donkey kong i just don't i that's fair i i've never understood it i've never clicked with it i don't care i don't i'm not going to shit on other people liking it but it's not for me it looked pretty i like the redesign of donkey kong but the game does not do anything for me right

[01:23:16] um but like what they did with the zelda stuff you know give me gps on my phone and the nintendo online app really and then have it talk to you yeah gps works on my phone while i'm driving because it's a quick look and see i'm not mounting my phone in front of my tv while i play zelda not happening it's ridiculous it's stupid castle yeah my wife saw that and she was all on board because when she

[01:23:45] played breath of the wild and tears of the kingdom she had her phone out with the zelda wiki up for advice on things so for somebody like her who was a casual gamer she was all over that but we're not going to buy it twice we already own it once we're not going to buy it again right but i go ahead really quick i want to talk about the app sorry go ahead i did have wind waker with the with the gba like where you could have like the map on your your gba and i

[01:24:14] did use that so this is like a throw to that i used it maybe twice and i just it was too much so i stopped like i just didn't it was too cumbersome and this feels cumbersome to me okay um like why can't it just be built into the game there's plenty of screen real estate build it into the game yeah the game has a map in it yeah well that's that's

[01:24:44] what's weird to me but it's i do want to play mario kart like i said like that's that one i'm like yeah i want to play that yeah but by the time i actually get around to getting a switch to if i get one and getting mario kart because the amount of money involved to get this stuff the mario kart servers are not going to be as exciting it's going to be well past mario kart nine mario kart world's lifespan in terms of everybody being excited for it they're going to

[01:25:13] have moved on to probably the new smash brothers at that point because sakurai is just like that's where his soul is stuck apparently the new splatoon no yeah but no i won't play that there's a you know there's gonna be a new mario game at some point in the next few years maybe not now with dk of this year but there'll be a new mario uh sequel to odyssey at some point right i love mario wonder i would totally be down to play more mario wonder or a sequel to that so there will be stuff in the future but do you do you

[01:25:43] just wait a couple years and then hopefully pick up a better version of the hardware you know it's not gonna be cheaper but maybe a better version that is an ola or has a better battery life in three years or do you do you pre-order now and try or if you're not in the u.s do you try and pre-order now because they did they did delay the pre-orders in the u.s because of tariffs um but it's it's one of those things i don't know so for me the donkey kong looks interesting you did bring up metroid prime 4 i loved the metroid prime

[01:26:12] games and i would it went when a new 3d mario comes out odyssey 2 or something like that i don't know that might be enough but if you were to push me today am i gonna buy one of these at least not for a few years yeah yeah that's kind of where i'm at like if it if for some reason it were given to me as a gift i would not complain i would

[01:26:41] not be upset but that's the only way i'm getting it in the next few years at all is i've got my steam deck i'm happy yeah mario kart world does not beat out my steam deck if my kids were like hey daddy can we get the new you know the new switches you know xyz on it i'd be more like you know what okay fine i probably would right for a birthday or easter or something coming up i probably would but they have no interest in it at all their their interest is pretty much whatever i'm going to play with them they're happy to

[01:27:11] just play games with with their parents they don't really care what it is that's so different than when i was a kid where i wanted that new super nindo or i wanted that new n64 so badly my parents don't even know what the hell 64 was right whereas our kids they they were gamers so any kids we have they know that we know the systems that they're playing but they're not interested in those it's so weird so i don't know my kid has his own switch he i had animal crossing for years and i finally was like well i'm

[01:27:40] gonna sell it get the 40 bucks and buy something else because i don't play animal crossing i sold it got something else and then all of a sudden like year and a half later my kids like where's animal crossing i'm looking for it everywhere and i can't find it like dude i hocked it it's gone yeah what i'm like yeah it's not like you were playing it you didn't notice it was missing for a year and a half so he was like i really want to

[01:28:09] play it he used his own money and bought it again yeah played it for like a week and it was uh-huh yep sounds about right okay so chard what about you yeah i i didn't i wasn't interested in the switch when it first came out the switch one um and i picked it up and i realized that i was wrong about some certain things about it but it's the exclusive stuff right like i said i wanted the metroids i wanted the legend of zeldas i

[01:28:38] wanted the marios so and i got metroid dread for christmas and you know my mother gift made me the light and then my wife i bought her oled not too long after that same christmas i got dread so i was downstairs playing on one or the other and i love the hell out of dread and it was fun to play this was before i had my steam deck it was fun to play like cruising around and doing all that stuff but there's there's only one reason and and those mother fuckers i swear to

[01:29:07] god they they waited they waited till the end if they hadn't if they hadn't shoved donkey kong in at the end of that thing this was designed to totally screw with me and they put from soft has a nintendo exclusive game that looks a lot like it looks a lot like a successor to bloodborne i'm not saying it is but it they the way they presented that thing had bloodborne fans frothing at the

[01:29:34] mouths including myself and i don't care i don't care if it's a multiplayer dungeon hacker i don't care if it takes eight people to play it it looks cool as hell because i'm telling you what the from soft dark souls bloodborne design department that they have there are freaking brilliant and they make some of the coolest looking shit out there there's a cat with dragon wings at the end of that thing that even my wife went oh that's cute like it even

[01:30:03] caught her freaking attention i mean and it's this is a perfect display of a from soft game and i was sold from minute one but after doing the research and talking to jake and and the team and citastar and wolf about it it may not be something that i would play on a normal basis it's not really my style of game because the switch 2 is more of a multiplayer trying to get into that multiplayer mindset of getting your friends together to go do stuff i don't want

[01:30:32] to play his front soft game like that i try to avoid i usually turn off online mode when i'm playing elden ring or dark souls or any of that stuff because i just want to enjoy the story so again my nephew is dying to get one chances are at some point he will end up getting one or one of us will get one for a birthday or something for him in which case i will check it out over his shoulder and see if it's worth it but for me to spend that kind of money on duskblood by

[01:31:01] itself because that's and i'd love to get metroid prime yeah i'd love to get metroid prime 4 i am one of the people that likes the metroid prime series i thought it was a cool adaptation to the metroid thing i still enjoyed dredge better than i enjoy than i probably will enjoy a first-person version of it but it's still something i would be worth interested in 500 for it you can go get a steam deck for 399 still yeah i'm just saying i mean it's crazy it's ridiculous

[01:31:30] so and we're gamers i play monster hunter wilds in my bedroom like jake plays his stuff upstairs i can play monster in my bedroom on a tv with my ps5 controller absolutely no issues so it's very hard for me to look at this and go that's totally worth dropping that kind of money for it just to me it just isn't at this time i don't i don't see anything there's nothing technical about it that pulls me in there's nothing exclusive

[01:31:59] other than dust floods that's really that's grabbed my attention to the point of i'm dropping money on this right now like there's i don't know what it is and it's it just doesn't work for me i think even for met uh mario wonder which i think mean wolf liked a lot i think we had to like try and sell it to you in terms of like oh you mario wonder you had to sell me yeah you had to sell me on it and we and i enjoyed the hell out of that game i was way better than i had anticipated it so i mean more stuff like that i i like if you give me a

[01:32:28] game and i play it i go holy crap this is actually really good like mario wonder was then i'm in but i mean that's one game for for 80 bucks at a 450 dollar console that will become 500 if i get mario kart with it like it's just not yeah it is it's the wish.com bloodboard exactly so i'm sorry i you know i just i don't know there's that's the only thing and i knew they were gonna squeeze something in there and as soon as i heard the voiceover and i saw from soft on

[01:32:58] the screen i flipped a table i was so mad exclusive to nintendo switch 2 and i was like god damn it i'm not spending money on a new console to play this freaking game and honest to god aside from bloodborne being and sony's bony handed clutches i can't imagine that they're not going to release this on pc at some point or some other well way to get it out they may not i know you know may say i know you want it only does

[01:33:26] but look i know you want it but so it's so for those who don't go watch the people need to go watch the trailer for this one i know we're going long but real quick it's a from soft game yes but it's not like necessarily a souls boring game like dark souls right it will probably have that kind of combat but if anything it's going to be similar to what they're doing with night rain charts like it's like an action e game right right the difference with this one though is that they said it's a pvp ve game which the only time i've heard that term is

[01:33:55] applied is um there's a trend on steam of a couple dungeon hack games super hardcore super difficult dungeon hack games where you play online with friends a very social thing with friends you play that's hard it fits their mo it is weird that's on switch but i think it's fine when this pc you'll be able to play uh night rain which is online game bosh rush type of thing it's it's a similar kind of vibe to it to what they're they're playing it's it's weird they're releasing

[01:34:23] two multiplayer games yeah more roguelike than anything else so it's different than what's on pc but i think there's still some crossover you know you'll probably be happy with the pc night rain and not miss this dungeon hack game like there's other games like this on pc if you're interested i know but without other people who have it on switch with you you're not i don't think you're going to be into it honestly they're tapping in they're tapping into an interest that would be like if a final fantasy game was released that was turn-based on exclusively for nintendo

[01:34:50] square was like hey by the way final fantasy 17 is coming back and it's going to look like clear obscure expedition 33 and it's going to return base yeah then i'd be like here take my money give take the money growing trigger on switch to hell and it's the hd style that they've been doing lately with their their 2d hd yeah take my money i'll do that right and that makes more difference yeah right okay uh so is that everybody mentioned about their switch take it

[01:35:19] or leave it yes yeah i know we're i know we're running long but uh i do want to mention one other thing that pisses me off about the switch 2 is the game key cards oh yes yeah what is like well okay i i understand this i understand that in the case of like let's say cyberpunk right which on the pc is is

[01:35:46] 100 gigs plus right yeah and and i mean these carts if they wanted to make them store that much space that's an expensive cart proposition so i get i get that it's cheaper for them to make a cart that has basically a key to it and you can download the game i get that the question that i'm running into is do you own that to your account or does

[01:36:15] the cart own that game and therefore you can give it to somebody let them use it sell it whatever you want to do right so what i was to understand is it sounds like as long as like that's it's basically physical drm so okay you have to have that in to play it the key is not like use it and it's gone like a cereal for

[01:36:41] pc gaming it's instead tied to that cartridge so if you lend it to your friend they can now play it on their system with that card key so it's it's just a new way to enforce drm i get it it's in that regard sure but it's really going to kill the physical collector market and reduce people wanting to get this console to collect games for

[01:37:09] right i mean to be fair though if we're talking triple a games released in the last three four years 10 years well i'm i'm being generous a cart storing that quantity of data i mean that's the thing with sony even if you have the sony with the physical disk drive

[01:37:35] which is extra now i don't get it but if you have that and you go buy the disk you download half the game yep still and you can't play it without the disc in it because because blu-rays basically i think peak out at 50 gigs right and so you know i mean i i remember i remember installing arc one day and going

[01:37:59] fuck this thing's 140 gigs right right so yeah that is super frustrating it's the modern gaming market has made me less interested in physical editions of games unless it's like a smaller indie game that i really really want like i have alex kid back there on my shelf which i mean obviously that's going to fit on the cartridge it never need to be updated right

[01:38:28] right but like it's hard to want to collect physical games now when you know they're all going to need a day one patch yeah right they all do and like i'm not gonna i will never push for people to pirate games on a system that is still being sold on store shelves right like i i'll tell like honestly yes i've dabbled the yuzu and ryu jinx and stuff but generally for games i've already

[01:38:55] bought on the switch or they've leaked early and i want to check it out i did that with wonder and then i pick it up on switch and play on switch so i'll dabble with it but i mean it's it's not something i encourage anybody to do because you want to support games just don't support bad games i guess but or nintendo when i look at not now but emulation of the switch and switch 2 is important 20 years from now right yeah we look at we play games now they're 20 30 years old game preservation

[01:39:20] is important to i think all of us here in the podcast and i look at okay so we're looking at switch games 20 years from now what does that look like it's going to be a whole lot of files for one single game and hopefully that everybody's capturing the patches and dlcs right finding a way to mesh it all into one file right it's it's a mess right it's a real mess having it all together and it only gets worse from here on out right the the concept of game keys on a cart to download the game is

[01:39:49] probably to comply with eu rules on terms of like game ownership because over there i think i don't think you're allowed i think you have to be able to have something that lets you sell game or sell games copies to other people if you want so that's probably way around that and it makes sense not to rip people off that way it's definitely not the cereal in a box but yeah there's i i've i only own three physical games on the switch one and it's because it was labo and then the mario kart augmented reality thing and it came in the box i'd never go out of my way

[01:40:18] to buy physical i'm digital my reasoning being is when the lights shut off at nintendo and they're going to at some point i'm relying 20 years from now the emulation scene to have those games preserved i hope that's kind of where i'm leaning on and that's that's a dark way of looking at it but yeah i don't mind paying digital now knowing paying for digital now knowing that i'll be able to play a pirated version emulation wise 20 years from now right i'm fine with that but it feels i hope we

[01:40:43] still have that right well i mean game preservation is going to be a thing that we're fighting for right the evil e-word we're not gonna i mean you can't find good enough consoles to play i mean yeah we have our stuff right we have stuff we bought or the stuff that we grew up with that we managed to hold on to but 20 years from now what does that look like right you're not going to play super metroid on a super nintendo somewhere without having to dig around or find a file that has it

[01:41:11] so replace replace all the capacitors again yeah right i mean my switch one barely holds together i can't imagine this thing lasting 20 more years like it just doesn't doesn't seem to line up for me however all of our nintendos are still surviving floods and hurricanes but like the original nes we could float on a controller and be just fine it'd work it'd still play but no i only jack had an nes controller i'm not trying to i'm not trying to say i agree with the

[01:41:39] you know the game code carts i i really don't but i understand why they're doing it in a world where games won't fit on a card right and yeah but and i i've had a big problem with like not physical for game preservation for years you guys know i have oh yeah right i mean yeah it's it's worth pointing out what was i gonna say shit i lost it well while you're thinking while you're thinking it's one

[01:42:07] of the reasons i absolutely love to support gog not just for old games but any modern game that they bring out there has to be an offline installer that you like they want everything to be offline installable and there's a lot of modern triple a games that end up on gog eventually and have an offline installer gog is doing great things for game preservation right and so like go support gog

[01:42:34] please people go support gog we're in a world where games that are winning awards like bafta award winning game studios releasing games and then they get shut down a year later right and those games if their servers aren't calling aren't there anymore but they're still recent games what the hell do you do so gog is great for those yeah sorry wolf go ahead so um oh my god i lost it again oh no okay i got it

[01:42:58] back i got it back i got it back i got it back adhd brain is killing me tonight okay so there's it's worth mentioning that there are a fair amount of people who don't have a reliably fast internet connection and that's why they buy a physical game right so i do hope that like the physical copy says hey this is just a key and it's going to download the whole damn game so that these people

[01:43:26] know okay i can't buy that in my neighborhood right yeah i think that they do with your switch i think they do specifically say that they are game code carts i think that there is mark marking on them i saw a picture that showed like a branding at the bottom that said game code cartridge um now i didn't look at the fine print but i hope it like you say wolf i really hope it says

[01:43:51] this requires an internet connection to download the content yeah it should tell you the size of the game or at least a rough approximation of the size of the game because that is a problem no they'll tell you in blocks too right yeah yeah yeah all right all right guys i think we can wrap it up all right so real quick we are press b to cancel you can find our videos over on youtube at press b to

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[01:44:50] appreciate you spreading the good word of press b to cancel we are also part of the super pod network of podcasts it's a network of podcasts just like ours we're all nerds i'm gonna read through a couple examples real fast we have gaming together i don't know what the episode was but it looked interesting uh find time who are also talking about switch to this week uh remember 64 show dave we had on this show several times he's doing tetrasphere which is pretty interesting and then we also had a geek

[01:45:17] addicts talking about manga it looks like the death note manga issue number two which is always cool there's a lot of podcasts over at superpodnetwork.com there's countless other shows just like ours feel free to grab my fault and listen as well uh otherwise are you guys even streaming anymore are you are we all burnt out this year are you still streaming dj spinnistar dj spinnistar

[01:45:40] okay dj spinnistar my friend are you back he never left yeah no i'll be back i'm working on i'm working my way back in but yeah no shit no i'm working my way back to twitch i'm not done at all i'm getting the itch again but we are again i got people moving into the house so we're getting the house ready for them and when they come in my wife will have someone to hang out with that will make me a little more

[01:46:05] available to do streaming and podcasting stuff so as terrible as that sounds it it does help so just saying no i feel that for sure wolf anything you want to shout out or no no not not anything new all right all right folks this has been a great episode switch to let us know in the comments or on discord whether you're buying one i am curious i'm still like on the fence i really do like

[01:46:33] mario car anyway we have been pressed be to cancel thanks for listening that's what everybody have a great if i have a great weekend what about starfox fuck starfox