Press B 199: Hardest NES game - March Radness!

[00:00:00] At the end of the day, you have to ask yourself, are you NES hard? I know I am today on

[00:01:00] the show.

[00:01:01] It's just so tasty.

[00:01:02] You should have saw me yesterday, I was quite heated at the end of the day.

[00:01:07] I miss the end of your stream. Did you win around a block?

[00:01:10] No, I didn't. Why don't you flush this?

[00:01:14] I'm not talking about that.

[00:01:16] I'm not going to comment on something like what are you fast?

[00:01:20] We got to do the episode then we can talk about the other the the ball.

[00:01:24] So good that you miss a derails before even mentioned the topic of today's episode.

[00:01:28] I'm immediately in 50 seconds.

[00:01:30] But when you when you first played those those pairs, charred, I was fucking losing it at my desk.

[00:01:35] I'm like, what are you doing? Why are you playing a pair?

[00:01:38] Where's the other five cards? Like ballet throw will not be stopped.

[00:01:41] So angry. It's the train we can't stop it.

[00:01:44] Okay, everybody today's episode is over what is called NES hard.

[00:01:50] We're discussing games from the Nintendo entertainment system that are notoriously hard.

[00:01:54] It is March 2024 and I don't mean that serve ticiously.

[00:01:59] It is actually March and we are going to be doing this bracket styles the way that we typically do in March.

[00:02:06] In keeping with tradition and the scriptures, we have some backup envelopes in case some of the brackets do not pan out.

[00:02:14] The Olympic committee did send them to the the sick J well, okay.

[00:02:20] So GP here's the thing about this stupid envelope.

[00:02:22] So like the last two times I've done bracket episodes, you guys gave me such a hard time with my choice of game.

[00:02:28] I wasn't going to do the envelopes this week.

[00:02:31] I wasn't going to do the envelope.

[00:02:34] No, but then somebody threw a rock through my window and there's a piece of paper strapped to it.

[00:02:40] So I guess I have an envelope just won this week.

[00:02:43] Well, thank you to the unsung hero with the arm.

[00:02:46] So anyway, that's what we're going to be doing.

[00:02:49] We're going to be yelling at each other discussing the other thing.

[00:02:52] It's a little bit fluid about what the goal here is.

[00:02:55] Are we judging a game based on how hard it is?

[00:02:58] Are we judging a game based on well, it's hard but fun.

[00:03:01] I don't know. It's going to vary, but we're here for a good time, not for a long time.

[00:03:05] And speaking of long, I'm joined today by where Wolf, how are you, sir?

[00:03:11] I'm doing well much better now that I'm done playing these games for the week.

[00:03:15] It's been a great week. I love these games. It's been great speaking of hard.

[00:03:18] I'm joined by Sinistar. How are you, sir?

[00:03:21] Did you finally play Silver Surfer?

[00:03:24] I did get around to it finally.

[00:03:26] Oh, good.

[00:03:27] I'm looking up long and hard. I'm joined today by Chardonnay. How are you, sir?

[00:03:32] Very uncomfortable in the chair right now.

[00:03:35] Loving that. And also, Jake is here. Hey, Jake, how are you?

[00:03:40] Sorry, I was distracted, but chat. I'm doing fantastic because I'm a rocker window.

[00:03:44] I love you so much. I'm curious about your shirt. I see wings and I think a guitar neck.

[00:03:50] Yeah. He's that hard.

[00:03:52] Guitar neck was the dessert's nickname in high school.

[00:03:55] It was actually nice.

[00:03:57] Got him. I'll pay for the way to later, man. I'm sorry about that.

[00:04:00] I love that kind of design on shirts, but I saw a dude at the grocery store this week who had a very similar pattern embroidered on the pockets of his butt on his pants.

[00:04:12] And I felt a little bit too much.

[00:04:14] So, Randall person in the world from Crover if you're watching this.

[00:04:19] Turn it down. Stop you get it.

[00:04:21] Okay, so shall we jump into the first bracket?

[00:04:25] Randall, I'm sure.

[00:04:29] You want to talk more ballot tro is that what we're going to do with this?

[00:04:32] Listen, you want another rant? Let's talk about a minute through this.

[00:04:37] Normally, I don't give a shit about anything that happens on this podcast.

[00:04:40] I think you all know that and I think the audience knows the way that I handle myself.

[00:04:43] But I care very much about this week.

[00:04:46] So no, let's jump into this and then ballot tro at the end.

[00:04:50] I might even bring my wife in because she has some very strong opinions.

[00:04:53] This game is ballot tro.

[00:04:55] All right.

[00:04:56] First bracket then.

[00:04:58] I don't know how the random eyes comes up these brackets but against it's Batman versus Ninja Gaiden.

[00:05:03] What was Batman and Ninja? Is that a thing?

[00:05:06] I don't know.

[00:05:07] He starts by throwing the randomizer under the bus.

[00:05:13] Yeah, Canadian tradition.

[00:05:15] So I'm glad you brought this up because I am a huge fan of Batman.

[00:05:21] That is well documented.

[00:05:25] So many bad jokes I want to make.

[00:05:27] I'm not going to do it.

[00:05:28] This is I think a really good example of NES hard.

[00:05:31] Not just because of the level of difficulty with the game but it also brings in so many things that are important to.

[00:05:37] In NES hard games specifically soundtrack playability replay ability, which there's none and the questions that you asked after you have finally beaten the game.

[00:05:48] The other one you said it's up against is battle toads?

[00:05:50] No, no.

[00:05:51] Ninja guy.

[00:05:52] Ninja guy.

[00:05:53] The actual game.

[00:05:55] Spoiler alert.

[00:05:56] The exact same game.

[00:05:57] Accidental wall grab.

[00:05:58] After you get out of the K.

[00:06:00] Ninja guidance.

[00:06:01] Ninja guidance.

[00:06:02] I'm going to start off with a hot take here.

[00:06:05] I'm going to let you guys talk.

[00:06:06] I promise.

[00:06:07] But me first.

[00:06:08] I want to start off with a hot take.

[00:06:10] I don't know that Ninja guy needs to be on this list.

[00:06:13] Wow.

[00:06:14] Oh, yeah.

[00:06:15] For reasons that I will detail over the next 45 minutes.

[00:06:19] I will say that there's one mechanic that makes Batman harder than Ninja guidance.

[00:06:25] And that is once Batman is committed to a direction and a jump, he cannot change it.

[00:06:30] That along with some other games that I'm sure we'll cover today is one of the most annoying mechanics.

[00:06:36] But at least with Ninja guidance if you start moving and you're like nope, you can go backwards.

[00:06:40] You're not committed.

[00:06:43] I'll put it out there.

[00:06:44] You guys vote.

[00:06:45] I'll go last for the voting, but I wanted to start off with a little die trap.

[00:06:48] Go ahead.

[00:06:49] All right.

[00:06:50] So it's all good in Ninja guidance and tell there's a wall that you accidentally grab a hold of.

[00:06:55] Like that game.

[00:06:57] I refer to that.

[00:06:59] I refer to that as accidental wall grab the game.

[00:07:02] The accidental wall grabs are the final boss.

[00:07:05] Honestly really?

[00:07:06] Oh, yeah.

[00:07:07] Yeah.

[00:07:08] I've watched so many.

[00:07:09] I've never played more than 10 minutes of this game.

[00:07:13] But I've watched so many while I get frustrated.

[00:07:16] Spoken like I've watched speedrunner.

[00:07:18] Oh, yeah.

[00:07:19] Well, that's fair.

[00:07:20] I mean, you know.

[00:07:22] But I glitch.

[00:07:23] I glitch by using what is it a game game?

[00:07:26] Genie.

[00:07:27] A game genie.

[00:07:28] Genie.

[00:07:29] Genie.

[00:07:30] Genie.

[00:07:31] Ladies and gentlemen, Gabe Gede.

[00:07:34] Game genie.

[00:07:35] No, honestly.

[00:07:38] So my.

[00:07:39] Never saying it again.

[00:07:40] Now funny enough.

[00:07:43] Funny enough, even though I'm talking about Ninja guidance being accidental wall grabbed the game.

[00:07:49] I have watched.

[00:07:51] GP.

[00:07:52] I've watched you basically learned a speedrun ninja guidance.

[00:07:55] And I have watched Argus or Argus, whatever play.

[00:07:59] Yeah, play batman where he hums, of course, the soundtrack is he's going.

[00:08:04] It's it's this.

[00:08:05] You know, and watching it.

[00:08:08] Yeah, it is very hypnotic, but watching is wonderful.

[00:08:12] Argus is is this.

[00:08:14] And he's a he's a he's a hard game whisperer, right?

[00:08:18] And he's a machine.

[00:08:19] I watched him.

[00:08:21] I watched him play batman.

[00:08:23] And I watched him struggle with batman and watching Argus struggle with a game means that

[00:08:29] fucking game is hard.

[00:08:32] I'm voting for batman being the hardest between those two.

[00:08:35] One for Batman, very good.

[00:08:36] I want to interject real quick.

[00:08:37] It's interesting that you brought up Argus.

[00:08:39] I had a dream this week.

[00:08:40] The true story.

[00:08:41] I had a dream in which a lady was trying to be my friend.

[00:08:48] And it was funny because I okay she told me this lie.

[00:08:51] She was trying to befriend me by telling me that her roommate was Argus.

[00:08:55] But she was like 75 years old.

[00:08:57] And I was like absolutely I want to go meet Argus.

[00:09:01] But it's all in this gal around trying to meet Argus.

[00:09:04] And I never met Argus.

[00:09:05] Go ahead.

[00:09:06] But tell me it doesn't check out because look at the room and the chair that he sits in.

[00:09:10] I think he lives with a 75 year old person.

[00:09:13] I don't know.

[00:09:14] I'm saying if Argus.

[00:09:15] We love you Argus.

[00:09:16] There are only like I can't see him symbol across the episode.

[00:09:19] Oh my god.

[00:09:20] Yeah.

[00:09:21] He doesn't want us.

[00:09:22] But I do love it.

[00:09:23] It released like you know their name on a lazy boy.

[00:09:26] I would buy the hell out of that chair.

[00:09:28] Like whatever.

[00:09:29] I'm just saying it looks comfortable as hell.

[00:09:31] Like that's what's important, right?

[00:09:33] But I mean, I get saying if Argus is struggling that said something secure.

[00:09:38] Okay.

[00:09:39] Who wants to go next?

[00:09:40] We got one for Batman so far from Sinister.

[00:09:43] Can I go?

[00:09:44] I just wanted to mention that I'll be really quick on this one.

[00:09:47] So you mentioned unintentional ball grab in Inja guidance.

[00:09:50] But I think Sinister or the word for Batman is impossible ball grab.

[00:09:55] I can never figure out the jumping mechanics of Batman.

[00:09:58] It takes me forever to navigate the very first like vertical shaft.

[00:10:02] The game is so hard to control the jack come in the shaft.

[00:10:09] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, vertical.

[00:10:12] Vertical.

[00:10:13] Vertical.

[00:10:14] Vertical.

[00:10:15] Vertical.

[00:10:16] Vertical.

[00:10:17] Vertical.

[00:10:18] Vertical.

[00:10:19] Vertical.

[00:10:20] Vertical.

[00:10:21] Vertical.

[00:10:22] Vertical.

[00:10:23] Vertical.

[00:10:24] I don't know.

[00:10:25] Okay.

[00:10:26] That game Batman to me is next to impossible.

[00:10:28] I mean, the first few times I try playing it, I didn't even realize there are sub weapons you

[00:10:32] could you can flip between in the game that was brand new to me.

[00:10:35] So maybe that was part of my issue, but that game I find nearly impossible.

[00:10:38] I can get past the first actor, the first stage, but then money gets to that boss, the

[00:10:43] firefly boss, impossible, just impossible.

[00:10:47] Whatever the patterns are, I just can't figure out in time.

[00:10:50] The damage is so high.

[00:10:51] You die so easily.

[00:10:53] You really depend on your weapons.

[00:10:54] I find the game next to impossible.

[00:10:55] It's one of the hardest games in the NES for me anyway.

[00:10:58] Ninja Gaiden is also very difficult.

[00:11:01] The only reason why I can get somewhat decently far, I think my record is 6-2, which is

[00:11:05] like just short of the ending.

[00:11:07] Which is every other.

[00:11:08] But it's because of the infinite continues.

[00:11:10] You have infinite continues.

[00:11:11] And I think there'll be a theme in this episode when games have infinite continues, I

[00:11:15] think they're a lot easier than they could have been.

[00:11:17] I'm really kind of surprised that didn't they didn't limit the continues in Ninja Gaiden.

[00:11:21] I mean, I'm glad they didn't because I would not have made it as far.

[00:11:25] So hardest game for me is Batman for this bracket.

[00:11:27] Interesting.

[00:11:28] This is not going the way I anticipate.

[00:11:31] This makes me happy by the way.

[00:11:32] I love the, like I said, this is going to be a hot take so far.

[00:11:36] Who wants to go third?

[00:11:38] Well, if you were a prep.

[00:11:40] I'll go third if you want.

[00:11:41] Yeah, I'll go last it.

[00:11:43] Yeah.

[00:11:44] Okay, so I've played the crap out of both of these games.

[00:11:48] However, I've played one a lot more than the other.

[00:11:51] I actually grew up owning Batman for the NES.

[00:11:55] So I played that a lot.

[00:11:56] My cousins had Ninja Gaiden and I would play that when I'd go over to their place from

[00:12:01] time to time, but I did not like Ninja Gaiden weirdly enough, even though I could beat

[00:12:10] a couple levels and get somewhere didn't much care for the gameplay music was rad, but

[00:12:15] that was kind of it for me.

[00:12:17] Batman, I feel like the whole experience is a lot of fun and it tricks you into thinking

[00:12:22] you could be better at it than you possibly could be.

[00:12:26] That's a great way of saying that.

[00:12:30] But despite Jake's difficulty with the Batman jumps, which I don't get because they're so

[00:12:36] fluid and easy to handle, like if you could do a wall jump in Metroid, Super Metroid,

[00:12:42] you could Batman as a joke.

[00:12:44] I have trouble with that said.

[00:12:45] Yeah, it's kind of tough.

[00:12:48] Well, I'm saying Batman is literally just hit the wall and just left and jump.

[00:12:52] The timing is near impossible to mistake.

[00:12:57] But it's kind of no contest.

[00:13:01] The difficulty between them is so massive.

[00:13:06] Batman is way harder.

[00:13:08] Even though it feels like a more fun game to me and a more satisfying experience, it's

[00:13:16] frustrating when you're like I need to change a weapon on the fly.

[00:13:19] So you start smashing that start button to like change your weapon.

[00:13:22] Like who thinks that's a good idea?

[00:13:24] Right.

[00:13:25] Yeah.

[00:13:26] The controls there will start in selector a little bit faster.

[00:13:29] You're right.

[00:13:30] Why does Batman have rockets?

[00:13:32] Yeah, why does he have a gun?

[00:13:34] Yeah.

[00:13:35] Why is Batman of a gun?

[00:13:37] That's going to be a theme.

[00:13:38] I want to mention this just real quick.

[00:13:40] I'm sorry, go ahead, Simster.

[00:13:41] I was just saying, you know, after a while Batman gets so fed up with trying to be the

[00:13:48] night, the dark night, he's like, fuck it.

[00:13:50] I'm just going to murder some people.

[00:13:52] Now Michael Keaton's Batman.

[00:13:54] First up, it's not a regular gun.

[00:13:56] It's rocker propelled.

[00:13:58] So maybe there's a good thing.

[00:14:00] That's not healthy.

[00:14:01] What does that make it better?

[00:14:02] Here's a theme.

[00:14:03] There's a flame in the back of the bully.

[00:14:05] It's the only difference.

[00:14:08] If it's an IP that already exists, one of the things about it is does the mechanics of

[00:14:15] the game live up to the IP of the character in that way giving Batman the gun?

[00:14:19] No.

[00:14:20] Is there a president for it?

[00:14:21] Yes.

[00:14:22] The original version of Batman had gloves and a revolver.

[00:14:25] They did away with that obviously for the better.

[00:14:27] Now if we put Zack Snyder's name on this game, sure, that checks out.

[00:14:31] He murders everybody.

[00:14:32] But then again, if you want to fight me on this, I mean, I'm going to be a guy who's

[00:14:34] going to stay in the hallway.

[00:14:35] If you want to fight me on this, I mean, and say, okay, he didn't actually murder the

[00:14:37] Joker, whatever.

[00:14:39] But go back and watch Batman Returns the movie.

[00:14:42] He's straight up hands a giant clown, a ticking time bomb and pushes him down for a mind

[00:14:50] chef.

[00:14:51] So top of pot at the window too.

[00:14:53] Vertical chef.

[00:14:54] Vertical chef.

[00:14:55] Vertical chef.

[00:14:56] Yeah.

[00:14:57] And he was just like, he was like at the top of the building looking down at the things

[00:15:00] just going. Wow. And look at Arkham,

[00:15:03] Messiah and Arkham, Messiah and the way he

[00:15:05] suspends these guys from the ceiling,

[00:15:07] their necks are getting snapped. Oh yeah,

[00:15:09] yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's really I think they got

[00:15:12] really strong necks in Gotham in the Batman

[00:15:15] franchise is just gravity. You know, I gotta say,

[00:15:19] you know, vertical mind shafts are well and good. But have

[00:15:22] you all tried tunnels?

[00:15:24] I've been around.

[00:15:25] I'm pretty good on the outside. I've been

[00:15:27] a ton of adjacent. Actually, I argue a vertical

[00:15:30] mind shaft is a tunnel on its ass to the heavens.

[00:15:35] Okay, so it's decided I still want Char to go and then I'll

[00:15:39] have a few final things to say as well.

[00:15:41] Well, no, I'm done. I'm done. I've been voted off the

[00:15:44] island. Well, that's okay. I still want to know why

[00:15:46] your opinions are on so go ahead.

[00:15:49] You want to know why my opinion is wrong? Okay,

[00:15:51] where are you going to go with the engine guidance?

[00:15:53] No, I wasn't. I'm actually going to go a Batman. I

[00:15:55] have a badge in engine guidance.

[00:15:56] Batman is it? Okay.

[00:15:58] I have the badge for an engine guidance, but not without

[00:16:03] hours and hours of an rigorous and intense exoscent

[00:16:06] wall grab and a lot of irritation.

[00:16:09] But because I have been cream for that now, is there

[00:16:14] for that vertical shaft to?

[00:16:17] Yeah, yeah.

[00:16:18] Wall grab and vertical wall grab for exoscent wall grab

[00:16:21] for biolation.

[00:16:23] Please contact your doctor if you've wall grabbed for

[00:16:26] more than four hours.

[00:16:29] So I am, I tried Batman and I love wolf.

[00:16:36] Wolf is a quiet hard core gamer like when we talk about

[00:16:41] things that were all like commonly like, oh, this game's

[00:16:44] fucking hard. This thing's super difficult.

[00:16:45] Wolf's like it's so fluid and easy.

[00:16:47] I don't know what your problem is.

[00:16:48] By the way, fluid and easy was sinister snake name in

[00:16:50] high school. No, I'm not going to get about the

[00:16:53] jump in his next thing.

[00:16:54] I don't know.

[00:16:55] Self is hard is stupidly hard.

[00:16:57] The jump mechanics are one of those things for me for a loop

[00:17:00] was the grab the wall that the wall grab thing.

[00:17:03] But I'm not good at that.

[00:17:04] I've always loved that.

[00:17:06] No, yeah.

[00:17:07] I'm with wolf on this one.

[00:17:08] And so okay, let's look at like the overlap here

[00:17:11] between what these two games are.

[00:17:13] Other than the characters color palettes being very similar,

[00:17:16] there's the wall grabbing and jumping, you know,

[00:17:18] vertical shafts.

[00:17:19] Not a lot of vertical shafts and ninja guide and then I can

[00:17:21] call it.

[00:17:22] There's the maybe in two, but not okay.

[00:17:25] There's the soundtracks for both the cut scenes are great

[00:17:29] for both.

[00:17:29] Yeah.

[00:17:31] I both have I think six levels.

[00:17:32] Maybe Batman has five.

[00:17:36] But really kind of the main thing and this is again,

[00:17:38] a theme that's going to come up for several games we're talking

[00:17:40] about today is the recoil.

[00:17:43] Now, y'all were talking about wall grabs making ninja guide

[00:17:45] and difficult.

[00:17:46] The recoil from when you're hit and then the

[00:17:48] respawning.

[00:17:49] Oh, yeah, the bounce.

[00:17:50] Yeah, that's really the me,

[00:17:53] the core at what makes ninja guide.

[00:17:55] Well, that's the goal.

[00:17:56] But that you get out the six to jump puzzle that you have to do

[00:18:00] where you have to time it from the Eagles and there's a dude

[00:18:03] throwing stuff and you have to time that jump like almost

[00:18:06] immaculately if you don't have spin slash to get through it,

[00:18:10] it's impossible.

[00:18:11] So again, to another point, hold on to the EG one more.

[00:18:14] Okay, sorry, sorry, I'll back up with with

[00:18:18] what makes ninja guidance slightly easier than Batman is if you

[00:18:24] have spin slash and your fairly proficient with it,

[00:18:27] you could spin slash that game all the way to the finish.

[00:18:30] No problems.

[00:18:31] There is not there is not an ability of Batman.

[00:18:34] I'm aware of that makes that game as easy as

[00:18:37] Benchlash makes ninja guy in the rest of the way.

[00:18:40] So if I'm talking about games that I prefer

[00:18:47] than I would pick ninja guy.

[00:18:49] But on difficulty, Batman takes the cake on this one for me.

[00:18:53] Sure. And that's the thing.

[00:18:54] I don't think anybody say ninja guidance is a bad game.

[00:18:56] It's it's a great game.

[00:18:57] And Batman's not either.

[00:18:58] No, I am just more difficult.

[00:19:01] It's all weapons management.

[00:19:03] Oh, there we are.

[00:19:04] There we are.

[00:19:06] And lastly, what was I going to say?

[00:19:08] Oh, yeah, weapons of management already got that out there.

[00:19:11] So we're good once you know what you're doing and you could say

[00:19:14] that about a lot of the games on the list.

[00:19:15] Once you know what you need to do, it's relatively easy.

[00:19:18] But again, ninja guy in very difficult game.

[00:19:22] But yeah, I'm with all of you guys.

[00:19:24] This is wonderful Batman moves on for this one.

[00:19:26] Let's go to the next bracket.

[00:19:27] What's what's up next?

[00:19:30] All right, Batman moves on.

[00:19:32] Next bracket is on fire.

[00:19:34] Teenage mutant ninja turtles versus Buckioe hair.

[00:19:39] I'm not sure what's related between those two except they're both green.

[00:19:43] I don't want to do this this early.

[00:19:45] But team and T, I don't know that it deserves to be on there.

[00:19:49] And Buckioe hair is fun.

[00:19:51] This guy we do are we do the envelope.

[00:19:53] I want to say what's the envelope?

[00:19:55] This guy that's like, oh, the dam in T M N T.

[00:19:59] Oh, me.

[00:20:01] I do that.

[00:20:02] I do that.

[00:20:03] It's the sewers that are tough envelope on the low me

[00:20:06] and do not say circus Charlie.

[00:20:07] I will ride it.

[00:20:09] Well, I are not envelope rock paper.

[00:20:14] What's on the hat envelopes?

[00:20:15] It would have had rock paper.

[00:20:16] You know if I did envelopes, you know what I would have picked Kirby's adventure.

[00:20:20] That's what I would have picked because that's some of the moon boss.

[00:20:22] I still stand by being bullshit hard.

[00:20:25] But that's fine.

[00:20:27] Okay.

[00:20:27] Yeah, I don't know if Jake has the alternate to to grade anything difficult.

[00:20:32] If that's going to be his number one.

[00:20:34] Hey, I've played some hard games.

[00:20:37] Clearly guys, it's country.

[00:20:39] It's kind of cryptic.

[00:20:41] This note just says eight to all right.

[00:20:46] I'll never mind.

[00:20:50] All right.

[00:20:50] So

[00:20:52] TV TV versus Buckyo here.

[00:20:57] You know,

[00:20:58] I hope that you mother fuckers.

[00:21:00] Can I ask is a big Mary brothers one on the any?

[00:21:04] Is everybody here be Mary brothers one?

[00:21:07] Long time ago, but yeah.

[00:21:09] Yeah, I was I probably couldn't do it again.

[00:21:12] It's probably do you want to do a few laps?

[00:21:13] No, it's roll time sick.

[00:21:14] Do I want to what?

[00:21:16] Do some laps of

[00:21:18] roll time.

[00:21:20] Yeah, you want me to pull this up?

[00:21:21] I'll just play.

[00:21:21] We'll see how many times I can beat team.

[00:21:23] He's hosting and he's running circles.

[00:21:26] Wow.

[00:21:27] I'm going to many talents though in a star.

[00:21:30] I want you to know that I appreciate you regardless of here.

[00:21:35] Your inability to finish Mario one.

[00:21:39] It's hard.

[00:21:40] I've played it recently and I really struggled in eight two.

[00:21:42] So I'm it's not an it's not an easy game.

[00:21:45] Hey, anybody want bingo?

[00:21:48] And that's a cool shirt for people not watching for people just listening.

[00:21:52] Sinister has put up on his screen.

[00:21:53] A tax says get and then a misspelling of the word fucked.

[00:21:57] It's phonetic and he's pointing at it.

[00:22:00] And oh, there's a fanatic.

[00:22:02] It's phonetic for our listeners.

[00:22:04] Clavicals.

[00:22:05] So if you're listening in and you want to watch, check this out at press B to cancel on YouTube.

[00:22:11] So okay.

[00:22:12] I grew up with playing team in T outside of transformers that franchise is like just one

[00:22:19] of the things closest to my heart.

[00:22:21] This is a game that nobody I really knew could beat without using the game genie.

[00:22:25] And even that was tough because there were the the underground levels that had like the fire pits

[00:22:30] that if you got hit by the fire and you were using some of the codes that would just freeze the game.

[00:22:34] So we spent so much time only to get that far and then rage quit.

[00:22:39] Everything about this game for me is nostalgic.

[00:22:43] The music, the sounds of the weapons, the odd looks of Donatello and his upper lip.

[00:22:50] All these things I love.

[00:22:53] And this game is so iconic to me and so important that I remember the date that I first beat it.

[00:22:58] You all have heard me talk about this.

[00:22:59] It was March 31st, 2013.

[00:23:02] And so we're coming up on the 11 year anniversary of that.

[00:23:06] And it was on the Nintendo Wii.

[00:23:10] It wasn't actually on the NES when I first beat it.

[00:23:12] Not important for what we're talking about here.

[00:23:15] Buckioe here, fun game, great game, Capcom smooth, Capcom cartoony, Capcom, Capcom level of difficulty.

[00:23:24] So for me, I don't want to be in a staget bias.

[00:23:30] I'm going to go and vote now.

[00:23:31] I'm going to go and put on TMNT.

[00:23:33] A lot of people talk up the damn.

[00:23:34] All I have to say is when you know what to do, it's easy.

[00:23:38] There's a lot more difficult stuff coming your way after the damn.

[00:23:41] So great game, love it, very rewarding.

[00:23:46] Maybe I'll make some videos of that one next.

[00:23:47] That'll be fun.

[00:23:48] So TMNT won in the column for GP.

[00:23:52] Let's go backwards from what we did last time.

[00:23:54] Chartama, what do you say?

[00:23:56] Yeah, okay.

[00:23:58] All right.

[00:23:59] So Ninja Turtles, again, much like GP was a nostalgic game of my childhood.

[00:24:05] I have a very vivid memory.

[00:24:07] I have never finished TMNT.

[00:24:09] I have a vivid memory of there being a section of the game after the damn

[00:24:14] where you diffuse the bombs where you are in the sewers and you're trying to make a jump

[00:24:19] that if you jump too high, you hit your head and you fall in.

[00:24:22] And if you jump too low, you can't make the jump.

[00:24:27] Eight or 10 year old me somewhere within that time frame was playing this game.

[00:24:31] And I had died in that section 800 freaking million times.

[00:24:36] And I finally did it now at the time.

[00:24:38] I had a time limit of how long I could play my games before, you know, after my homework

[00:24:43] was done and all that stuff.

[00:24:45] Well, I had a 30 minute limit.

[00:24:47] And I finally finally got past that jump and my mom turned my game off.

[00:24:53] So I haven't played it since because I was just destroyed.

[00:24:56] I was so upset and she apologized to me, she didn't realize the importance of

[00:25:02] me progressing into the game.

[00:25:04] I had never touched it.

[00:25:05] Yeah, I've never I have yet to ever play that game again.

[00:25:10] So I recently played I've recently played Bucky O'Hare

[00:25:17] a couple days ago, actually just to kind of get a refresher on the planet.

[00:25:19] And I got to say as difficult as the game is, I don't think it I don't think

[00:25:23] it can hold a candle to what team and T is.

[00:25:26] I felt like I was running through and maybe it's because I'm older and I've played

[00:25:29] more platformers and I'm better at it than I was way back then.

[00:25:33] But it felt like Bucky O'Hare had a nicer, smoother transition and played

[00:25:38] a lot cleaner and also had infinite continues.

[00:25:41] So that was a big helm for me to continue through the levels.

[00:25:44] I died a lot.

[00:25:45] I'm not saying I didn't die a lot.

[00:25:47] And I didn't finish it.

[00:25:48] But I enjoyed what I play with Bucky O'Hare.

[00:25:50] But when it comes to everything, team and T lives in infamy in my brain for the rest

[00:25:55] of my life and I will forever loath that game and its difficulty level because I have never

[00:26:01] gotten past the sewer section after I think it's right after the damn that that

[00:26:05] happens.

[00:26:06] It's right before you get the van with the rocket.

[00:26:09] It's the end of the third.

[00:26:11] Exactly. There's a DOS version of the game where they wrote the stage wrong and it is impossible

[00:26:17] to make that.

[00:26:18] It is just as clean possible on that on that version to get through there.

[00:26:21] Yeah, yeah, those are all well-stated points.

[00:26:24] Ultimately I think Bucky O'Hare probably the more fun game but Ninja Turtles in ES hard.

[00:26:31] Where will have at you?

[00:26:32] What's at you?

[00:26:33] Or I'm sorry.

[00:26:34] Can we usually get your vote?

[00:26:35] Yeah, yeah, it's Turtles.

[00:26:36] It's empty.

[00:26:37] Okay, cool.

[00:26:38] Two for Turtles.

[00:26:40] Yeah, I was...

[00:26:41] I've never actually played the Bucky O'Hare video game before this week which is weird because

[00:26:45] I was a huge fan of the cartoon as a kid.

[00:26:48] I had a friend we would play with his action figures he had like the whole fucking set it

[00:26:53] was wild and so...

[00:26:54] They're toys?

[00:26:55] Yeah.

[00:26:56] They're toys.

[00:26:57] Oh yeah.

[00:26:58] You tried free-to-late, wasn't it?

[00:26:59] Yeah, you show, wasn't it?

[00:27:00] It was like a whole thing.

[00:27:02] I remember.

[00:27:03] Yeah.

[00:27:04] It was a move from the comics too.

[00:27:05] Yeah.

[00:27:07] Bucky O'Hare, I loved Bucky O'Hare.

[00:27:09] This was way better than like street sharks and cowboys of Moon Mesa and it was kind of

[00:27:16] there with like biker mice from Mars.

[00:27:17] Biker mice from Mars.

[00:27:18] Yeah, yeah.

[00:27:19] Yeah, wolf and iron this had big...

[00:27:20] Goggoyles.

[00:27:21] Goggoyles.

[00:27:22] But, yeah, playing Bucky O'Hare this week, I was kind of surprised at how not difficult it

[00:27:31] was.

[00:27:32] Like it had some interesting mechanics choices like charging up the jump by holding the shoot

[00:27:37] button and then quite understand how they decided that was the way to do it but...

[00:27:41] You only got to explain that actually.

[00:27:43] I can explain that.

[00:27:44] Have you ever held on to this is so gross, if you guys are easily grossed out to cover your

[00:27:50] ears?

[00:27:51] You ever had the poop so bad and that charged up how bad you had to pee but you didn't realize

[00:27:56] it?

[00:27:57] Same thing.

[00:27:58] You can probably cut that out.

[00:27:59] No!

[00:28:00] I've not had this.

[00:28:01] Nope.

[00:28:02] Nope, no.

[00:28:03] Hold on.

[00:28:04] Look at that check out.

[00:28:05] What did that look like?

[00:28:06] That sounds like a mental hospital.

[00:28:07] You can say that for real.

[00:28:08] Look at that.

[00:28:09] This one is quietly saying no GP, I get you.

[00:28:11] I see you.

[00:28:12] Wow.

[00:28:13] I feel so happy.

[00:28:14] I'll say both of these are enjoyable but based on what I played in Bucky O'Hare this week

[00:28:18] I really liked it and I feel like I could play that and probably beat it if I gave

[00:28:23] it a couple of weeks.

[00:28:24] I don't think I could beat Ninja Turtles.

[00:28:26] I just don't think I could.

[00:28:28] The dam kills me every dam time and if for some reason I do manage to get past it I

[00:28:35] never make it past the next section.

[00:28:37] Ninja Turtles is free of vertical shaft.

[00:28:41] Yeah.

[00:28:42] The dam's more of a horizontal slash vertical shaft.

[00:28:45] Is that TMNT for you as well then Wolf?

[00:28:47] Yes.

[00:28:48] Okay, it's official but that's good.

[00:28:50] We got this.

[00:28:51] I want to point out because I spun up Bucky O'Hare as well because

[00:28:58] there's a couple on the list I didn't have too much experience with and I like everybody

[00:29:05] else was like why is this on the list of hard games?

[00:29:09] So I had to go look it up and apparently the reviews basically said that the difficulty

[00:29:17] especially in the later levels is too much.

[00:29:21] And so that's the problem is if you're going to spend 15, 20 minutes playing this game

[00:29:26] you're not going to experience the difficulty that this game apparently has.

[00:29:30] It's the scale.

[00:29:31] So yeah, so I mean having watched, we're having watched you GP play through Turtles a number

[00:29:37] of times.

[00:29:38] I mean my vote is also for Turtles but I don't want people to think Bucky O'Hare is an easy

[00:29:44] game.

[00:29:45] Apparently it becomes ridiculous in the in the later levels like ridiculous.

[00:29:51] And so does TMNT?

[00:29:53] Yeah.

[00:29:54] It starts off in stays difficult.

[00:29:57] Yeah, TMNT is like strapping.

[00:30:00] It's going to be hard the whole damn time.

[00:30:02] Yeah, plus the like the motion of the turtles using their weapons.

[00:30:06] There's something just absolutely fluid.

[00:30:09] Yeah, there's something fluid and totally natural about how they use their weapons.

[00:30:15] You mean you don't spin your size?

[00:30:16] I'll say Bucky O'Hare.

[00:30:18] The green planet is what most people start with and even my daughter was playing it and

[00:30:22] she's like, you know, 10 and she's playing through the green planet Bucky O'Hare.

[00:30:27] She made it to the boss with no issues but the yellow planet which you can actually select

[00:30:32] if you want to get go if you want to try it.

[00:30:33] Yeah.

[00:30:34] The yellow planet is quite a bit harder to figure out.

[00:30:37] There's more going on the screen.

[00:30:38] Stuff takes more damage.

[00:30:40] Like there's a lot of bullet spongy stuff in that game was kind of off putting.

[00:30:44] I can beat the green planet no problem.

[00:30:46] It does not feel that bad.

[00:30:47] It feels actually pretty good.

[00:30:49] Very precise.

[00:30:50] Mechanics jumping feels good.

[00:30:51] Yes, it's difficult.

[00:30:52] If you fall off into a pit or the water you die instantly that's always paying the

[00:30:57] ass but I could beat the green planet but yellow planet I really felt that jump in spike

[00:31:01] of difficulty and it got harder.

[00:31:03] I actually got a lot of music on the yellow planet than the green planet.

[00:31:09] Did you really know that was having fun jumping on the spaceships and the meteors flying

[00:31:13] around?

[00:31:14] I was like, this is awesome.

[00:31:16] Well, all right.

[00:31:17] Okay.

[00:31:18] So go ahead, Jared.

[00:31:19] And I'll say something.

[00:31:20] Point out that I never felt more centristars quote that I did playing Bucky O'Hare than

[00:31:25] the fucking blue planet.

[00:31:28] The blue planet can literally burn in the I seeest regions of hell.

[00:31:32] I hate that got you guys.

[00:31:34] The physics.

[00:31:35] So those fucking stupid, stupid.

[00:31:38] I'm sitting on my feet and going, that's a stupid.

[00:31:42] So for those new to the podcast and or sinister, there's a quote that's famous.

[00:31:48] It's made it around the world now.

[00:31:51] Number of times it's it yeah, and it's what is it?

[00:31:56] Fuck every eye.

[00:31:57] Every eye is so ever.

[00:31:59] Well, especially the blue planet.

[00:32:03] I gotta ask, charred, how did you get past that stupid little spot that's only one square

[00:32:08] tall because I was able to figure that out.

[00:32:11] I just decided to try and the blue planet which one?

[00:32:14] Yeah.

[00:32:15] The blue planet.

[00:32:16] I jumped with a long couple of platforms and then there's a spot that Bucky can't get

[00:32:20] under.

[00:32:21] He was very drunk.

[00:32:22] I might have been mildly intoxicated while I was playing it.

[00:32:25] So I was like, I like, I didn't encounter any enemies.

[00:32:29] It was literally jump over some pits and then ran into a spot where Bucky didn't fit.

[00:32:34] Now I was like, I don't know what's happening here.

[00:32:35] I'm looking to read.

[00:32:36] It's a strong possibility one of the other characters.

[00:32:39] Yeah, duck in slide.

[00:32:40] It might have been you could use the little like Robo bear or whatever because he's smaller

[00:32:43] or maybe possibly but because there's a few spots where I had to pull him out and use

[00:32:47] him because he's got the blow up.

[00:32:49] He's got the little arc bombs that blow up the ice and stuff.

[00:32:52] So maybe that had something to do with it, but there was an instance in it.

[00:32:56] This green planet, red planet, blue planet yellow planet, right?

[00:33:00] Those are the four.

[00:33:01] If I remember right at the first start.

[00:33:02] Yeah.

[00:33:03] I got past the green and the red.

[00:33:04] No problems with you know, I died quite a bit, but I got through them and then my game

[00:33:09] froze up on me and my steam deck and I accidentally reset it because I was, I got kicked

[00:33:13] out into the menu.

[00:33:15] So I was like, okay, well, that sucks because I was doing so good on the progress.

[00:33:20] So then I went back and I started the yellow planet and was like, yep, this is dumb and

[00:33:24] never gotten any further than that.

[00:33:27] So I'm not sure how you start that and was super drunk.

[00:33:31] But I watched that stream with my A A sponsor who said quote, yikes.

[00:33:36] So we're going to take his coin away.

[00:33:41] Well, one last very important thing to say about team in C if I may is horribly non responsive.

[00:33:49] It is not, yeah, blue it like it is not smooth.

[00:33:53] It is not a smooth playthrough.

[00:33:54] A lot of it is just very clunky and I think just the sheer mechanics of how it was programmed

[00:34:00] and built.

[00:34:01] Yeah, there you go.

[00:34:02] I thought of that one sentence that I started to do before you please clip that and just

[00:34:07] make that a gift.

[00:34:08] I need that forever.

[00:34:10] Okay, let's move on to the next bracket.

[00:34:12] No, no, no, don't I do I not get a vote?

[00:34:15] Yeah, you do.

[00:34:16] You did yes, I'm sorry.

[00:34:18] I thought you voted for me too.

[00:34:20] No, that's not.

[00:34:22] I didn't.

[00:34:23] I didn't rate that.

[00:34:24] That was a rocker from my window.

[00:34:25] Thank you very much.

[00:34:26] That's right.

[00:34:27] You're handwriting thrown through your window.

[00:34:29] I guess what you're not getting that check, buddy.

[00:34:31] You blamed it on me and I'm not having.

[00:34:33] I'm supposed to look so.

[00:34:36] I mean, TNT being the hard to game is I mean, I'm not going to argue that it's fine.

[00:34:40] But I do want to say though, I feel like the difficulty in TNT, it's more memorization.

[00:34:47] The issues that I find in that game and the trouble I have is the dam is a difficult

[00:34:52] yes until you memorize the layer of the bombs than it's easy.

[00:34:56] Yeah, no, no.

[00:34:57] Same thing with later on where you have to navigate.

[00:34:59] Hold on, navigate with the van shooting the barricades of missiles difficult until you

[00:35:03] realize what the missiles are.

[00:35:04] You memorize the locations and you can navigate through the following level where you need

[00:35:07] the scroll to kind of get across the gaps and the thing I struggled as a kid for a long

[00:35:12] ass time until you memorize where the scrolls are and then suddenly it's not so bad.

[00:35:16] It's not as bad once you memorize the route to get through whereas Bucky O'Hare, I feel

[00:35:21] is mechanically difficult and it's not bad.

[00:35:25] It's just mechanically hard.

[00:35:27] I know where all those bombs are in the dam.

[00:35:30] That's not what's happening me.

[00:35:32] It's the electrifying help.

[00:35:34] The kelp is the DMC we did just fries circles.

[00:35:38] Yeah, and I'll say this.

[00:35:39] I agree.

[00:35:40] I don't know that it's so much about memorization.

[00:35:43] The reason I say that is I played that game so many times using so many different patterns

[00:35:47] and so many different characters and there's a lot of different ways you can play.

[00:35:52] Now yes, you do have to get through that stage and you do have to go to those locations

[00:35:56] some things with the bombs but I mean hell there's a stage where you're looking for the

[00:35:59] technodrome and it's in one of three spots and that is randomized based on when you start

[00:36:03] the game.

[00:36:04] You like that universal timer goes all the way back to the beginning so I get your point.

[00:36:08] I don't disagree but I don't think that's solely it but I mean you're point lands sure.

[00:36:15] By the way, can we talk about how delicious electrocuted fried turtle is?

[00:36:20] I was going to say it's electroculted like naturally occurring in the environment like

[00:36:26] it does it just grow naturally.

[00:36:28] It is a species.

[00:36:29] It's very easy.

[00:36:30] Clearly someone has a boat as whole.

[00:36:35] It is now.

[00:36:36] So I'll check it out to an individual for having the first 3D TV, introduce in video games

[00:36:44] check it out.

[00:36:45] Okay, so is that a bucket of hair vote?

[00:36:48] Yes, but I'm ever voted and that's fine.

[00:36:51] That's okay.

[00:36:52] That's all right.

[00:36:53] I'll give you the second bracket before we got a dissenting or dissenting opinion.

[00:36:56] So well done.

[00:36:57] This is an odd night where we're not arguing with each other.

[00:37:02] That'll change.

[00:37:03] What's the next bracket?

[00:37:06] We've got battle toads versus the space balloons.

[00:37:10] I think it was randomized together because they both start with the letter B.

[00:37:13] There you go.

[00:37:14] I was looking at that and spy you, Billion.

[00:37:18] Fuck you.

[00:37:19] Right.

[00:37:20] Yeah.

[00:37:21] I'm looking at the second character because B.A. is first before B.U.

[00:37:27] Sure.

[00:37:28] That's one of a point.

[00:37:29] Yeah, battle toads go for deep with that.

[00:37:32] That's what we do.

[00:37:34] Okay, so in keeping with how I've been doing this episode, I want to talk for a minute,

[00:37:38] then we'll get to you guys.

[00:37:42] Didn't you say you were going to talk less of your GP?

[00:37:45] Yeah.

[00:37:46] No, no, no, no.

[00:37:47] You asked me if I would talk less and then I took 9 months off.

[00:37:50] It's a short spot.

[00:37:53] Yeah, that's fair.

[00:37:55] Hold on, I was just available.

[00:37:57] I was just in a corner being pushed.

[00:37:59] I just didn't want to talk.

[00:38:01] I'm busy going to doctor school.

[00:38:06] No.

[00:38:07] We got 9 months of the silent treatment between battle toads and whatever the other game was.

[00:38:15] I know.

[00:38:18] You can't dismiss the other bracket every time GP.

[00:38:21] You're the host.

[00:38:22] You got to say both of us.

[00:38:23] B games, what was it?

[00:38:24] B.U.

[00:38:25] versus the space mutants.

[00:38:26] B.U.

[00:38:27] I think by the way has two Bs.

[00:38:30] Okay.

[00:38:31] I grew up playing B.A. versus the space mutants.

[00:38:35] Love that game.

[00:38:36] Lotta nostalgia there.

[00:38:37] I didn't play battle toads for the first time until the retro therapy and there I think

[00:38:42] we were two years into that before I tried it.

[00:38:46] And I owe so many of my friendships to having played that game.

[00:38:49] So I'm a star and I know which one I've beaten more, which is battle toads.

[00:38:55] But I also know that's why I only came in during battle toads too.

[00:38:59] But you're fucked me.

[00:39:00] That's right.

[00:39:01] Okay.

[00:39:02] Okay.

[00:39:03] I already knew about you.

[00:39:04] I was hanging out in your streams for months and you never talked to me.

[00:39:06] So I'm like, okay, school, he's all you would I get it.

[00:39:08] You got a chance for me to fucking are.

[00:39:12] I want to clear the air here.

[00:39:17] It wasn't battle toads that I came into.

[00:39:20] No, I just wanted to talk to Charlie.

[00:39:22] You did it.

[00:39:23] It was a fast-hurst feeling.

[00:39:25] It was punch out that I came in for.

[00:39:28] No, famously.

[00:39:30] And then since just like a week later, a couple things like anyway, no, no, no.

[00:39:35] Battle toads I love.

[00:39:36] I don't have the nostalgia for it.

[00:39:38] But I played that game endlessly until I beat it, started to learn the speed runs.

[00:39:42] You know, and the glitches and all that kind of stuff.

[00:39:44] And jeez, I'll do what an adventure that was.

[00:39:48] Bart versus Space Mutants.

[00:39:49] I don't know that I ever beat it as a kid.

[00:39:52] But as I went back and tried to play it as an adult, it was still difficult.

[00:39:56] I just don't really care about it for whatever reason I didn't.

[00:39:59] I don't love it.

[00:40:00] It's a good enough excuse for me.

[00:40:03] But that's the thing.

[00:40:04] It doesn't matter that it was a Simpson thing.

[00:40:06] And I like the Simpsons, but the game wasn't captivating enough.

[00:40:09] Battle toads, as it fucking literally was.

[00:40:12] For any number of reasons, mechanically, soundtrack-wise, level design, everything about battle

[00:40:19] toads for fun and difficult.

[00:40:22] I don't think there's any other game that pulls off both things as well as battle toads

[00:40:26] does.

[00:40:27] I'm going to vote for battle toads for both being more difficult and just being the

[00:40:31] better game.

[00:40:33] And then I'll let you guys...

[00:40:34] I know that's an underhand toss.

[00:40:36] Thank you guys for that.

[00:40:38] But let's say with Jake as well.

[00:40:41] Can I go and ask him, are we a Jake in on this one?

[00:40:43] Jake in Good Point.

[00:40:44] Yeah, thanks.

[00:40:45] I'll vote for both, Phil.

[00:40:47] Really mess things up.

[00:40:48] I don't even know if we have a tiebreaker.

[00:40:49] I don't think that works this episode.

[00:40:52] Okay, so I mean, I picked out toads as Mississippi in game last year.

[00:40:55] I did not beat it.

[00:40:57] It's fine.

[00:40:58] It's difficult.

[00:40:59] I think you would have had it's mostly difficult because it's limited continues.

[00:41:03] There's only three continues and then you start all over and it's a long game.

[00:41:07] There's a lot of stages in battle toads and I feel like once you memorize how to do each

[00:41:11] stage, it's not so bad if you could continue infinitely.

[00:41:15] It's like an Inja Guidon.

[00:41:16] If Inja Guidon had three continues, that's a lot more difficult of a game.

[00:41:19] So I think battle toads is hard because of that.

[00:41:21] Barz for the Space Mutants is just awful.

[00:41:24] They control bad...

[00:41:27] Even on the Genesis version which is the one I played the most.

[00:41:29] It still feels badly controlling and you have an extra button to mess with.

[00:41:32] The NES version is also just awful.

[00:41:35] The first stage is okay, but the second stage, the mall...

[00:41:38] There's a section with lollipops.

[00:41:40] I don't know why there's hovering suckers in the air and you have to jump from sucker

[00:41:44] to sucker to get across.

[00:41:45] There's Quicksand if you fall and you die instantly.

[00:41:48] I don't understand why that's even a thing.

[00:41:50] I don't remember that episode of The Simpsons.

[00:41:52] It makes no sense to me, but it's bullshit.

[00:41:55] And like the third stage with the carnival is fine, that's fine.

[00:41:57] Then you have the museum level.

[00:41:59] And again, Harpits, Instant Death, super tiny platforms that are very difficult to land

[00:42:04] on and navigate and the hip-boxes are wonky.

[00:42:07] It's coded hard.

[00:42:09] It just feels awful.

[00:42:11] And like it's hard, maybe that's hard for the wrong reasons.

[00:42:14] But it's harder than battle toads I think by far.

[00:42:16] I can't stand Barz for the Space Mutants because of the difficulty.

[00:42:19] I think if you were to port it to a super Nintendo or even like a...

[00:42:26] I think that had a little bit more smooth running hardware.

[00:42:30] That game becomes...

[00:42:31] Genesis?

[00:42:32] Yeah, Genesis.

[00:42:33] Now Genesis is very...

[00:42:35] Wow.

[00:42:36] The Hayden.

[00:42:37] I can feel the Hayden's.

[00:42:38] That's alright.

[00:42:39] It's alright if you're ever mind.

[00:42:40] I'm going to refract that for two reasons.

[00:42:41] I own two of them.

[00:42:42] Don't throw more bricks through our windows because GP made fun of the Genesis.

[00:42:49] Thank you.

[00:42:50] No, I didn't make fun of it.

[00:42:51] I just discounted it.

[00:42:54] But I...

[00:42:55] Okay.

[00:42:56] I'll walk that back.

[00:42:58] I'll walk that back.

[00:42:59] You're right.

[00:43:00] The minute you said that, I knew I was wrong.

[00:43:01] He'll walk that back but he won't walk back what he said about me.

[00:43:03] That's fine.

[00:43:04] That's cool.

[00:43:05] He only has to work with me every Friday.

[00:43:06] So that's fine.

[00:43:07] That's cool.

[00:43:09] Careful.

[00:43:10] He's going to take...

[00:43:11] He's going to take nine months off again.

[00:43:14] Uh, Char...

[00:43:15] One can hope.

[00:43:17] Let's go to Chard next.

[00:43:19] What's the...

[00:43:20] Right now, I think we're tied one to one.

[00:43:21] Am I understanding that correctly?

[00:43:22] Yes.

[00:43:23] We are.

[00:43:24] Okay.

[00:43:25] Yeah, GP, I love you.

[00:43:27] I appreciate you.

[00:43:28] I love you so much.

[00:43:29] I greatly enjoyed your battle.

[00:43:31] I told you your battle toad stream is what brought me into your life, sir.

[00:43:35] So...

[00:43:36] I remember...

[00:43:37] I was rooting.

[00:43:38] I was rooting for you to win every night.

[00:43:39] I used to spend hours on Twitch watching you try and climb the revolution.

[00:43:43] Not prints in the revolution but the actual revolution.

[00:43:46] And the success of you beating the dark queen was quite relieving.

[00:43:53] I felt relieved.

[00:43:55] I felt relieved.

[00:43:56] Yes, I appreciate you.

[00:43:58] You know, can't always be long and hard all the time but let's get to my vote.

[00:44:02] So...

[00:44:03] Yes.

[00:44:04] So I've bachelorettes that goes without saying, we've only talked about that 1800 million

[00:44:11] times.

[00:44:12] It's one of my greatest treasures that I have amongst my gaming repertoire.

[00:44:18] So I'm going to drop that knowledge bomb any chance I get.

[00:44:21] And it's the only thing that sucks about that is GP not only bachelorette but can speed

[00:44:25] run the goddamn game.

[00:44:27] So of course, he's got to want up me on that.

[00:44:28] But you know what?

[00:44:29] It's cool.

[00:44:30] I'll take that because he's a beautiful man and I'm fine with losing to beautiful people.

[00:44:34] However, Barvewier's The Space Mutants is absolute garbage.

[00:44:39] That game is like Jake absolutely said.

[00:44:42] It is coded to just be malicious and evil and stupid and make no goddamn sense.

[00:44:50] I don't, I never got past them all.

[00:44:52] I don't fucking get it.

[00:44:54] The one hit like the hitboxes were bullshit.

[00:44:58] It was terrible.

[00:44:59] The game is designed horribly.

[00:45:02] It's not designed to be tough.

[00:45:03] It's designed to just be an asshole.

[00:45:06] It's like that kid in school that you keep telling hey stop pulling my underwear over

[00:45:09] my head, sir.

[00:45:10] And he goes and he does it anyways.

[00:45:13] That's what Barvew versus The Space Mutants is.

[00:45:15] It is just shit.

[00:45:16] I've lived in so many lockers that were more comfortable than playing Barvew versus The

[00:45:20] Space Mutants.

[00:45:21] So fuck that game.

[00:45:22] That game is difficult.

[00:45:23] I'm picking Barvew versus The Space Mutants because I have the battle toads badge.

[00:45:26] Thank you very much.

[00:45:27] I did.

[00:45:28] I did turbo-tronnel all the way to the right.

[00:45:33] And I would rather do that again than fucking ever play Barvew versus The Space Mutants.

[00:45:38] So that Barvew versus The Space Mutants gets my vote on that one.

[00:45:42] Okay.

[00:45:43] So two but again, I may have shit the bet on this one by saying I voted Battle Toads because

[00:45:49] it's fun and I liked it better.

[00:45:51] Yeah, that is completely opposite of what this discussion is about.

[00:45:55] No, never mind.

[00:45:56] My ego dictates that I stick with Battle Toads because I like to say because I also

[00:46:00] badge that but not important.

[00:46:03] I just I like to never mind.

[00:46:05] Let's move on.

[00:46:06] There are hard parts in Battle Toads like the Duckies for some reason than that one saves

[00:46:10] the one-hit kill you.

[00:46:12] Battle Toad Listen.

[00:46:13] Battle Toads is no sleeper on a challenge.

[00:46:15] That game is hard as hell.

[00:46:17] It's hard.

[00:46:18] It's 18 days to beat it.

[00:46:20] Not badget just to finish the game.

[00:46:22] Strength for how many hours do we play at Sinistar like six to seven fucking hours a day?

[00:46:27] I mean, we put time into that game.

[00:46:29] It was no this is not like I don't know what the fucking music.

[00:46:33] I don't know what your pride was.

[00:46:34] It is it is hard.

[00:46:35] I don't it is always hard.

[00:46:37] I don't know because I came into your stream for a punch out right now.

[00:46:41] It was every punch out and I cherish that moment that we've never streamed punch out

[00:46:45] and you came into my stream the other time.

[00:46:47] It will be brought up against your ancestor.

[00:46:50] The thing about the thing about Battle Toads is that there's an end inside.

[00:46:54] I've seen people do it.

[00:46:55] GP1 being one of them.

[00:46:57] I've seen Frank from Paul sex exp do it.

[00:46:59] I've seen people beat it.

[00:47:00] I know it can be done.

[00:47:02] So I was like, I can freaking do this.

[00:47:04] I know it can be done.

[00:47:06] I have literally never seen a soul beat.

[00:47:09] Bart versus Space Music.

[00:47:11] I can't find anybody.

[00:47:12] I could probably go find a long player, some shit on YouTube.

[00:47:15] But you know what?

[00:47:16] I think my waist from time.

[00:47:17] I can also watch my dog take a curled up shit in my front yard.

[00:47:21] But guess what?

[00:47:22] I'm not going to watch that either because I already know how it ends terribly and smelly.

[00:47:26] Fuck that game.

[00:47:30] That was eloquent.

[00:47:31] That was it.

[00:47:32] That was it.

[00:47:33] That was it.

[00:47:34] Thank you.

[00:47:35] And gross.

[00:47:36] I hope I fed you.

[00:47:37] What's the use, sir?

[00:47:39] I'm torn because while Bart versus the Space Mutants is a harder game.

[00:47:45] It's not necessarily because it's a difficult game.

[00:47:48] It's because it's a broken game.

[00:47:50] I'm going to give you an example here.

[00:47:52] Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde for the NES is a hard game.

[00:47:56] That's stupid.

[00:47:57] Not because it's difficult, but because it doesn't work.

[00:48:00] Yeah.

[00:48:01] It's hard because it sucks.

[00:48:03] It sucks because it's hard.

[00:48:05] Right.

[00:48:06] So I'm torn because while technically, yeah, Bart versus the Space Mutants is the more

[00:48:10] difficult game by virtue of being terribly designed.

[00:48:17] Battletoads is actually difficult in a more understandable measure that it's difficult

[00:48:25] because they wanted the game to be hard.

[00:48:27] They wanted it to last a player a long time.

[00:48:29] Bart versus the Space Mutants was like, good enough.

[00:48:33] Yeah.

[00:48:34] It did not pass a QA.

[00:48:36] Yeah.

[00:48:37] It was just passed on that one.

[00:48:40] It was difficult because they didn't try.

[00:48:42] Or it's not that it was difficult because they did.

[00:48:45] Right.

[00:48:46] Ooh, I like that.

[00:48:48] Yes.

[00:48:49] But I like it.

[00:48:50] Yeah.

[00:48:51] We could put a period.

[00:48:52] That was great.

[00:48:53] So I'm torn.

[00:48:54] I don't know.

[00:48:57] Geez.

[00:48:58] I mean, it's hard not to get a battle toad some credit.

[00:49:02] You know, because it is difficult.

[00:49:04] It's not easier than two.

[00:49:08] You know, no.

[00:49:09] People will never be able to beat either of these.

[00:49:12] But I've gotten, I believe in you.

[00:49:14] I think I've gotten to a higher percentage of Battletoads that I have with Bart versus the

[00:49:17] Space Mutants.

[00:49:18] Once I'm in the mall, all bets are off.

[00:49:21] I have no idea.

[00:49:22] Yeah.

[00:49:23] Thank you.

[00:49:24] No, I don't feel so.

[00:49:25] It's easier more inclined.

[00:49:26] I think anybody is more likely to beat Battletoads because they want to continue playing it.

[00:49:30] Right.

[00:49:31] I like said, I probably would be giving some time.

[00:49:34] I would beat Bart, but I just don't want to because it sucks.

[00:49:39] All joking aside.

[00:49:40] I mean, all joking aside, I think Jake could beat Battletoads.

[00:49:45] I seriously do if he had the time and he could do it.

[00:49:50] He just doesn't have the time and I understand.

[00:49:52] No, no, no, he won't because he's never tried flushes.

[00:49:56] He's not trying flushes and he should do it worthless.

[00:49:58] I know he knows how to do it because that's how I met Jake was he came into my stream

[00:50:02] through Battletoads.

[00:50:04] And I'll never forget it.

[00:50:06] When I'm drinking, you said that GPT's care is better.

[00:50:11] Well, as much as I want to say battle toads, I think I have to give it to Bart versus the

[00:50:16] Space Mutants purely because the lack of fun factor adds more difficulty to what's already

[00:50:23] difficult.

[00:50:24] Okay.

[00:50:25] Yeah, all right.

[00:50:27] Not just hard to play a game.

[00:50:29] Yeah, it's not.

[00:50:30] The reason I suck at it is the depression medication.

[00:50:37] So down my reaction time.

[00:50:39] And that'll do it.

[00:50:41] It also gave me chronic depression for the rest of my life.

[00:50:44] Exactly.

[00:50:45] Remember that what was McCulloch in doing before he was playing with a hornet's nest?

[00:50:52] Yeah, he was playing with my girlfriend.

[00:50:54] Bart versus the Space Mutants makes sense.

[00:50:57] Classic throwback.

[00:50:58] Okay.

[00:50:59] And then sinister.

[00:51:01] Oh, I'm glad I got a voice.

[00:51:04] It's cool.

[00:51:05] You're going to be the type who are you?

[00:51:06] Who's talking?

[00:51:07] Yeah.

[00:51:08] Yeah, that's going to talk over a whole time.

[00:51:10] That's the type breaker.

[00:51:11] The type breaker.

[00:51:12] Yeah.

[00:51:13] Yeah.

[00:51:14] Yeah.

[00:51:15] No, I'm, I'm, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a DOS, well computer play, you know, Apple II, a

[00:51:23] DOS and whatever.

[00:51:24] And I have played way too many bad ports that are just broken, right?

[00:51:32] And so you, you basically like the game is not soft locked.

[00:51:36] It's hard locked, right?

[00:51:37] You get it.

[00:51:38] That's amazing.

[00:51:39] And so I am, yeah.

[00:51:41] Well, only if you have a vertical shaft.

[00:51:45] And tunnels.

[00:51:46] Don't forget the tunnels.

[00:51:48] And so I, I'm going to vote.

[00:51:50] I mean, because we're talking difficulty, right?

[00:51:53] And there's nothing more difficult than essentially, essentially impossibility.

[00:51:57] I know that there are people who probably beat art versus the space mutants, but, but

[00:52:01] let's call it nigh impossible, right?

[00:52:05] And so I'm voting for that.

[00:52:07] It's possibly casual.

[00:52:10] The game that is accidentally difficult is going to beat a game that is so classically

[00:52:16] renowned.

[00:52:17] Well, or it's enjoyable level.

[00:52:20] We do need to call it.

[00:52:21] I get it.

[00:52:22] By that measure, we didn't put ghosts and goblins on this list.

[00:52:26] Right.

[00:52:27] And the game is like, that's one of my honorable.

[00:52:29] I personally like, I recognize how hard that is, but to me, Bart versus the space mutants

[00:52:35] is much harder because I've beaten ghosts and goblins.

[00:52:38] It's fun enough for me to want to continue playing and keep trying and get better at it.

[00:52:43] Bart versus the space mutants, you don't get better at it.

[00:52:45] You just understand how to work around the broken mechanics better.

[00:52:49] Yeah, yeah.

[00:52:51] You learn how to do the long jump because I beaten Bart versus space mutants.

[00:52:53] I have beaten it before whenever I was a kid.

[00:52:55] I did not like to lie.

[00:52:56] It's fun.

[00:52:57] No, it's really fun.

[00:52:58] We have fun.

[00:52:59] I do be games occasionally.

[00:53:01] I'm going to say that people recommend people like to say baltos being hard and they

[00:53:06] like to recommend to streamers and YouTubers.

[00:53:08] Hey, go play baltos.

[00:53:09] Ha ha, it's funny.

[00:53:10] It's hard because it's also fun to watch and there is the fun element to it.

[00:53:15] It's enjoyable though.

[00:53:16] I like watching baltos.

[00:53:17] There's a lot of variety in the stages and whatnot.

[00:53:19] It's fun to watch somebody struggle for hours and days.

[00:53:24] I mean, I like watching the MRR night.

[00:53:25] I think he spent 42 days playing baltos.

[00:53:28] Yeah, that is great.

[00:53:29] I'm just happy.

[00:53:30] Nobody wants to watch Bart versus space mutants.

[00:53:32] Nobody.

[00:53:33] That game is depressing to watch and to play.

[00:53:36] So it's evolution versus escalation.

[00:53:38] There's an evolution with watching people learn battle toads.

[00:53:42] If you're watching somebody try to struggle about through Bart versus space mutants, it's

[00:53:46] just what level of escalating emotion do they have until the rage quit.

[00:53:51] That's the thing.

[00:53:53] I can rage quit battle toads and be like, I'm just going to pick it up again tomorrow.

[00:53:57] But if I rage quit Bart versus space mutants, I'm going to pick it up maybe never.

[00:54:00] Anyway, y'all have spoken.

[00:54:04] I'm alone here.

[00:54:05] It's just me and the rest of the world so it's fine.

[00:54:08] The argument makes sense that we're talking about a game that is designed for its difficulty

[00:54:12] and it's fun.

[00:54:13] And then we're talking about a game that shit and it sucks and it's hard because it's

[00:54:17] broken as fuck.

[00:54:18] It's almost not fair.

[00:54:19] It's like picking one busted up car because it doesn't have a motor versus this car

[00:54:24] is just difficult to start but it runs and it's fun to drive.

[00:54:28] But because this one does have a motor, this one's a bigger piece of shit.

[00:54:31] It's a tough thing.

[00:54:33] It's a good analogy.

[00:54:35] So Bart versus the space mutants is a busted ass car with no engine.

[00:54:41] Got it.

[00:54:42] Excellent one.

[00:54:43] And, Charlie, do you remember how you and I met when I was playing battle toads?

[00:54:47] No, I think we just wanted you know I remember that.

[00:54:49] I think we met at a Walmart somewhere and you stole my socks or something.

[00:54:54] He came in while you were playing punch out.

[00:54:56] He was in Vegas at a conference and he was sitting there bored in his hotel room and he

[00:55:02] wanted to watch somebody beat punch out and so he came to your side.

[00:55:06] You know what's sad?

[00:55:07] I visualized my living room layout and where I was when you were playing battle toads

[00:55:12] and I went, oh the retro therapy, this guy's funny as fuck.

[00:55:15] This is very enjoyable.

[00:55:16] He's playing battle toads.

[00:55:17] Charlie.

[00:55:18] I'm invested in this life but that's fine.

[00:55:19] I heard a lot of that but it's cool.

[00:55:21] I was working as a waitress in a cocktail bar when I met you.

[00:55:25] Okay.

[00:55:26] Hey, wait, wait.

[00:55:28] You look good at making it.

[00:55:29] Don't you want me?

[00:55:30] Don't you want me?

[00:55:32] You know, I can't believe it when you say that you don't need me.

[00:55:34] Okay.

[00:55:35] Did you go to the next bracket before we get sued?

[00:55:37] Just charred really quick.

[00:55:38] Really quick.

[00:55:39] I really quick.

[00:55:40] I very much can see the hotel room including like the desk and where I was sitting when

[00:55:47] I watched GP.

[00:55:49] So Star, no that I let you in.

[00:55:51] And it's not your loyalty that's a question here.

[00:55:54] That's you're good.

[00:55:55] We're solid.

[00:55:56] I don't know where about you.

[00:55:57] You're beautiful.

[00:55:58] And honestly, I'll never forget it.

[00:56:00] Okay.

[00:56:01] What's the next bracket is it's the last it's the last bracket of the beginning.

[00:56:06] We got to go we have to go through those summons real quick value bill about value value

[00:56:11] value you value you value you on there versus silver surfer.

[00:56:15] Okay.

[00:56:16] So I'm going to give you the rundown real quick.

[00:56:19] I don't agree with by you being on here for a very similar reason to part versus

[00:56:25] space.

[00:56:26] It's not difficult by any virtue other than it just.

[00:56:29] It's just a design.

[00:56:30] Yeah.

[00:56:31] Well, hold on hold on.

[00:56:33] I want to say something GP in MP earlier he said I didn't get as much time with buy you

[00:56:39] Billy this week is I would have liked.

[00:56:42] I played it for 15 minutes and I was thinking I got way more time with buy you.

[00:56:47] That's great.

[00:56:49] Yeah.

[00:56:50] So here's the here's the thing about you Billy real quick.

[00:56:53] Uh-huh.

[00:56:54] It is difficult because it was originally released in Japan as a machine city.

[00:56:59] I think it was bang and soundtrack and it's a much better game in Japan because it's

[00:57:03] not as difficult to call or name they brought it to the US.

[00:57:06] They artificially inflated the difficulty.

[00:57:08] They took all the enemies regardless of stage and bumped up the number hits required

[00:57:12] to beat them down.

[00:57:13] They changed the mechanics of the driving stages make them harder every stage is modified

[00:57:17] to be harder because this is what Nintendo was in there.

[00:57:20] You know, oh we don't want somebody to rent it and beat it in a weekend.

[00:57:23] We want them to buy the damn thing and play forever.

[00:57:26] It's artificially made difficult and I think that that's got to be considered.

[00:57:30] Also they're like hey we want to port this and they're like okay to wear and they're

[00:57:32] like North America and they're like those assholes yeah let's do it.

[00:57:36] Here's what we're going to do.

[00:57:38] They're still angry.

[00:57:39] No I'm serious though like are you Billy I just I don't care for it.

[00:57:42] I think there's some cool things you know switching up stage wise and how it's played

[00:57:46] in and frollers but yeah whatever silver surfer gets a lot of hate switching gears.

[00:57:53] Sorry it goes back to what I was saying about Batman how they gave him a gun and that

[00:57:57] didn't really live up to the IP.

[00:57:59] The thing that sucks the most about silver surfer is not the difficulty level.

[00:58:02] It's that it's a silver surfer we all know what his power set is and his weakness is

[00:58:07] not running into one.

[00:58:08] No no no.

[00:58:09] His weakness his weakness is one hit kills.

[00:58:14] I've seen it in all the con I've seen it in the comics and you try surfing through space

[00:58:18] and survive.

[00:58:19] Yeah I have seen it on the comics and the absolutely wonderful movie that came out.

[00:58:28] It was great.

[00:58:30] It was far from great but it was not bad.

[00:58:33] It was great blackness was a cloud.

[00:58:34] It's not a good service.

[00:58:36] It's great.

[00:58:37] Is terbulous this face have turbulence?

[00:58:40] Oh fucking so much.

[00:58:43] Here's the thing.

[00:58:44] Silver surfer is a fun game.

[00:58:45] I do not like side scrolling shoot a month.

[00:58:49] No that's not true.

[00:58:50] Auto scrolling.

[00:58:51] I don't know.

[00:58:52] It's just not like type of game.

[00:58:53] I think of like ZVS right or those other kind of space piloting games it's not really

[00:58:59] my bag.

[00:59:00] I played this one because I wanted to see if I could do it because it has such a reputation

[00:59:05] and then I did see running things.

[00:59:07] Right.

[00:59:08] You played silver surfer?

[00:59:09] There's videos somewhere but really it's.

[00:59:13] I thought you liked it actually.

[00:59:14] I did like this game.

[00:59:15] I do like this one.

[00:59:16] I do.

[00:59:17] I don't like the genre.

[00:59:19] I don't like that it's themed with the silver surfer IP because of what it is but it

[00:59:24] is the definition of a wrote memorization game once you know what you're doing and what

[00:59:30] the timing is.

[00:59:31] I'm a drummer.

[00:59:32] I'm a pattern guy always have been and I think, I think, you know, and yeah so I enjoyed

[00:59:39] it.

[00:59:40] Yes it was one of the more difficult games I've done but again once you get through

[00:59:42] it once you can get through it whenever it's fine.

[00:59:46] It's doable.

[00:59:47] I don't know that it lives up to being, I know we were talking about this before number

[00:59:51] one on some difficulty level or list.

[00:59:54] I don't know that I agree with that.

[00:59:56] I'm going to give this one to silver surfer but this is a game I wish more people would

[01:00:02] see through to the end.

[01:00:04] You can also pick the order in which they give you plenty of opportunities to level up

[01:00:07] your character and be good.

[01:00:08] It's all insane.

[01:00:09] Just don't hit the wall.

[01:00:10] You can level up.

[01:00:11] Get, you know, a certain way.

[01:00:14] I'm going to add on.

[01:00:15] A lot of power.

[01:00:16] Get surf.

[01:00:17] Power.

[01:00:18] Sorry thank you.

[01:00:19] So anyway, I'm going to give it to silver surfer.

[01:00:20] If it's a game reason I give it to battle toes, I like it better and the other game is difficult

[01:00:25] but not fun and it's not difficult because of the virtue of the game.

[01:00:28] It's difficult because it just sucks.

[01:00:30] It's hard to get through.

[01:00:31] You can beat it but you're not going to be happy that you did.

[01:00:35] Thank you.

[01:00:36] Let's go over to sinister.

[01:00:38] What say you sir?

[01:00:40] Well, I have to stand by my statement that I did with Bart versus the Space Mutants

[01:00:47] which is if a game is broken or broken-ish, you know, the difficulty is that.

[01:00:55] That makes it a more difficult game.

[01:00:57] It's harder to play because you don't want to play it and it's harder to play because

[01:01:00] it's got some broken mechanics.

[01:01:03] So because of that, I kind of have to go with Bayou Billy.

[01:01:09] There's so many better games that should be on this list that were hard because they

[01:01:13] were good.

[01:01:14] Contra, Mike Tyson.

[01:01:15] I think it's the right idea earlier this week that we should go for games that are quality

[01:01:22] of difficulty which is the term I used.

[01:01:25] I should have spoke up.

[01:01:26] But yeah, there's a really solid honorable mentions list to be had for this.

[01:01:31] Well, yeah, of course.

[01:01:32] We took some time to make room for some other stuff.

[01:01:35] We're limiting our brackets to eight.

[01:01:38] That makes it so difficult to pick the one.

[01:01:41] I know.

[01:01:42] I know.

[01:01:43] I'm just saying that was a lot of business.

[01:01:46] The honorable mention was where I was mentioning my manager.

[01:01:48] I still wanted Mega Man 1 on there, but it makes sense to not have it versus.

[01:01:51] Mega Man 1.

[01:01:52] That's a great difficult game.

[01:01:53] Contra, like I said, there's a bunch of really great ones that we just don't have time.

[01:01:58] Well, one in one right now.

[01:02:00] One in one.

[01:02:01] Yeah.

[01:02:02] If we may.

[01:02:03] Okay, I don't like either of these.

[01:02:09] By you, Billy, just seemed like a really bad double dragon.

[01:02:17] Thank you.

[01:02:18] Sure.

[01:02:19] And then I got to a point where it was like I was like, okay, I'll go further to the right.

[01:02:25] It's like no, you got to kill these crocodiles.

[01:02:27] I was like, why I didn't have to kill the last crocodiles.

[01:02:29] Why all of a sudden do I have to kill crocodiles that just disappear into the water and I

[01:02:34] can't hurt them.

[01:02:35] I was so mad at this game, but also I was so mad at Silver Surfer because I was trying

[01:02:41] I was legitimately trying and you know, I'm trying to line up my shots on the stage that's

[01:02:47] going up and I'm like, okay, I'm going to hit that thing and I go over and hit the hit a

[01:02:53] pixel of something on the wall.

[01:02:56] And Silver Surfer just all of a sudden he can't handle that.

[01:02:59] So it's killed him.

[01:03:00] Just so dramatic, too.

[01:03:01] It's really.

[01:03:02] It's really.

[01:03:03] It's over doubled over like, oh, what is going on?

[01:03:07] I'm like, you're lit it like your whole thing is you surf through the air.

[01:03:10] You can't run into something a little bit and catch yourself right.

[01:03:14] Glass can.

[01:03:15] And he also supposed to be super powerful and strong.

[01:03:19] Why is it when he can?

[01:03:20] Yes, he can change matter.

[01:03:22] He's got to see you.

[01:03:23] We've already discussed this.

[01:03:25] A cockle?

[01:03:26] No, Harold.

[01:03:27] It's the ball he does.

[01:03:28] Harold.

[01:03:29] Sorry, Harold.

[01:03:30] You're in Charlottes.

[01:03:31] I was a better game.

[01:03:32] By the way, that's another one on the honorable mentions one.

[01:03:34] You guys remember how much I fucking struggled on that one jump?

[01:03:36] I'm just saying like, I would gladly do that even though it's anyway, whatever.

[01:03:41] Let's can we talk about the honorable mentions list next time?

[01:03:44] Or can I just do it one hour after my own?

[01:03:46] Just let me go.

[01:03:47] Let me fly.

[01:03:48] I'm a kite.

[01:03:49] Do you think Barry Brothers want to bring this back?

[01:03:52] Oh dear God.

[01:03:53] Why?

[01:03:54] Do you think that is better than these two games?

[01:03:56] No, really.

[01:03:57] I think that's the first one because like, do you feel that belongs here over a value

[01:04:01] billion silver surfer?

[01:04:02] No.

[01:04:03] But it is a better game than the value billion.

[01:04:05] He didn't even give it a shot.

[01:04:06] No.

[01:04:07] It is better than the entire game of value billion.

[01:04:11] What would you vote for?

[01:04:13] Love that.

[01:04:14] There it is.

[01:04:15] I feel like I could figure out how to get better at by you, Billy.

[01:04:19] I wouldn't enjoy it, but I feel like I could get better at by you, Billy.

[01:04:23] I don't think I can get better at Silver Surfer.

[01:04:25] I got to give this one to Glasscuber.

[01:04:27] Glasscuber.

[01:04:28] Is that one of the jokers on Ballotro?

[01:04:32] Yes.

[01:04:33] Yes, it is a Glasscuber.

[01:04:35] It's a status title.

[01:04:36] It's a rather high school nickname.

[01:04:37] Let's wrap this up so we can talk more about Ballotro.

[01:04:41] Charred, what do you got for me?

[01:04:47] So I rented Silver Surfer when I was a young pup many moons ago because I'm a big Marvel

[01:04:54] movie cinema.

[01:04:55] New ones before the cinema.

[01:04:58] And I have to go with the concept of wolves but backwards.

[01:05:05] I feel like when I played by you, Billy, it is a bad double dragon.

[01:05:08] It's a terribly poorly ported double dragon.

[01:05:13] At least for the first you shake your head, Jake.

[01:05:15] It's fine.

[01:05:16] You don't have to agree with me.

[01:05:17] We don't agree much.

[01:05:18] But I'll talk after that.

[01:05:19] That's fine.

[01:05:20] I'll wait my friend.

[01:05:21] I'm considered like that.

[01:05:22] I'll wait.

[01:05:23] It's okay.

[01:05:24] I'll interrupt as much as I want.

[01:05:26] Yeah, see where we are all from.

[01:05:29] At least he's polite.

[01:05:30] So I have to go with Silver Surfer.

[01:05:35] No, sorry.

[01:05:36] I have to go and buy you a billy on the difficulty for this one because I think I could

[01:05:43] be Silver Surfer given the time knowing that it is patterns and you can follow the patterns.

[01:05:48] If it's anything like battle toads, there is a way to beat it.

[01:05:51] It just takes time to learn on what you're doing.

[01:05:53] I feel like buy you a billy is just bullshit hard.

[01:05:57] Like you said, because it's what it's designed.

[01:05:59] It's designed to be bullshit hard here in the Americas because Japan hates us and that's

[01:06:04] fine.

[01:06:05] I'm cool with that.

[01:06:06] But there's not a lot of sinister has this thing with hockey stick difficulties things

[01:06:11] and it doesn't bother me all the time.

[01:06:13] But when it's just in your face immediately like fuck you, I don't want to play that.

[01:06:19] I want the challenge like battle toads at least lulls you into a sense of security until

[01:06:25] turbo tunnels.

[01:06:26] And then you're like, whoa, this is going to be a rough ride but at least I can get through

[01:06:31] it.

[01:06:32] Like I can plan and go through.

[01:06:33] I feel like buy you billy is just going to literally hold my face in the toilet as long

[01:06:36] as I can until either I stop breathing or I fake not breathing and it lets me go.

[01:06:41] That's a flush.

[01:06:42] That's a flush since we're talking about ballad.

[01:06:46] I'm going with the I'm going with the ability being the harder one because I figure I feel

[01:06:51] like I can finish silver surfer at some point of my life.

[01:06:54] Not silver two first one, not the second one just okay.

[01:06:58] So sinister for people who are listening and put up on his screen the words silver surfer

[01:07:04] to and buy you billy to it took me moment to realize that was a score.

[01:07:08] I thought he was poking what sequel would you rather play?

[01:07:11] Yeah, yeah neither.

[01:07:12] Neither.

[01:07:13] I'm the type breaker which sucks because I don't like either one of these games.

[01:07:21] Well neither do I either do a high.

[01:07:25] Yeah, no, this is not an island game which one would you take?

[01:07:31] So the question is I mean this is game.

[01:07:33] Value billy is artificially difficult because they amped up the difficulty in every conceivable

[01:07:37] way from the Japanese release.

[01:07:38] I played mad city that's what the Japanese version is called and it's fine.

[01:07:42] I mean, it's not a great game but it's not bad.

[01:07:45] It's fun.

[01:07:46] There's a lot of writing.

[01:07:47] It's cool and it's totally beatable on the Japanese version right?

[01:07:51] But when you try and play the American version it is next impossible and I don't think I'd

[01:07:55] ever be able to beat it on the flip side silver surfer regardless of the fucking region

[01:07:59] you played in is also really impossible for me to get through anything.

[01:08:03] I love how you can pick what stage you want but it doesn't really matter.

[01:08:05] I'm not going to beat any of the stages.

[01:08:07] Yeah, they're all on the first part.

[01:08:09] It's all straight.

[01:08:10] Take the level you don't want to do the end of right?

[01:08:13] You stay in a wall and you die like silver surfer dies from space dust like the first

[01:08:18] age or the reptile stage you pick there's a fucking rubber ducky for some reason the level

[01:08:23] listen, we don't know.

[01:08:24] No, not wrong.

[01:08:25] We don't know the material that those things are composed of so it could be some radioactive

[01:08:31] rubber ducky.

[01:08:32] We don't know anti silver surfer material.

[01:08:35] Is there kerf tonight?

[01:08:36] Is that a thing for Marvel?

[01:08:37] Does Marvel have to marvel?

[01:08:38] I don't know.

[01:08:39] Both games are really difficult.

[01:08:40] I mean, both have good soundtracks.

[01:08:41] You know, it's a question of do I go with the game that is artificially difficult or

[01:08:45] the one that's just difficult right from the get go?

[01:08:49] I think I want to lean toward the game that is difficult right from the design in a silver

[01:08:53] surfer.

[01:08:54] The hitboxes are stupid you die so easily it makes no sense.

[01:08:57] So you're so vulnerable as silver surfer like why is he not have a health bar?

[01:09:04] He's a fucking superhero.

[01:09:05] Give me health bar.

[01:09:06] Like something.

[01:09:07] Space does things to you man.

[01:09:09] Have you surfed through space lately?

[01:09:11] It does things to you.

[01:09:12] I have.

[01:09:13] I do.

[01:09:14] I do.

[01:09:15] That's pretty good for you from what I see.

[01:09:16] I surfed all the way far.

[01:09:17] That's why I got it.

[01:09:19] That's why I'm in my PJs.

[01:09:22] So silver surfer is moving on.

[01:09:24] So if he never takes it.

[01:09:26] Okay, all right.

[01:09:27] Let's do it.

[01:09:28] So now it's the stimulus we like you said we got to go kind of quick because I was very

[01:09:33] succinct y'all kind of ramble but that's all right.

[01:09:35] Oh boy.

[01:09:36] Oh boy.

[01:09:37] All right.

[01:09:38] Battle of Ninja is bad in this episode.

[01:09:41] Can we name it the GPMers?

[01:09:44] Do you remember when I came in and we met during battle tod's?

[01:09:48] Jesus God.

[01:09:49] Remember that.

[01:09:50] I remember we became best friends during battle.

[01:09:52] That's right.

[01:09:53] That's fine.

[01:09:54] I think when I came in and hung out with you when you were playing a game, we did

[01:09:58] a charity together.

[01:09:59] It was a lot of fun.

[01:10:00] I found my new best friend.

[01:10:02] I play games.

[01:10:03] Do I still play game?

[01:10:04] I streamed.

[01:10:05] Is there a 20 team is so long ago.

[01:10:07] Street fighter six.

[01:10:08] What?

[01:10:09] We're reformed adding to solely ballad for that man versus TV and T pick your point.

[01:10:15] I don't know the word worse.

[01:10:16] Press the end of the beat.

[01:10:17] I'm going for a good.

[01:10:18] I'm going for a good first.

[01:10:20] All right, let's do it.

[01:10:21] I'm going to raise the first.

[01:10:23] Between those two, honestly, I you know having watched both of them, I am going to vote

[01:10:31] and this is going to be quick.

[01:10:33] Batman is the harder game.

[01:10:35] Mm-hmm.

[01:10:36] Disagree.

[01:10:37] I'm going to vote team in T.

[01:10:38] Like I said, it took me however many, you know, 30 years to be able to get through it without

[01:10:42] a game.

[01:10:43] Genie.

[01:10:44] All of that sort of thing.

[01:10:46] It's, I'm stealing your guys' logic here.

[01:10:49] It's more difficult by accident whereas Batman purposefully, beautifully had the level

[01:10:56] that wanted.

[01:10:57] I'm going team in T.

[01:10:58] So one on one.

[01:11:00] There's nothing beautiful.

[01:11:01] Batman is purple and it doesn't make any damn sense and it's also mechanically difficult.

[01:11:05] T.M. and T is beautiful if you memorize what to do.

[01:11:07] So for me, the vote is Batman is the harder game for you.

[01:11:09] There's so much nuance with button tapping and ninja turtles whereas Batman doesn't have

[01:11:14] that.

[01:11:15] You barely tap a jump.

[01:11:16] You are jumping as much as you want.

[01:11:18] Somebody get a spoon for sinister.

[01:11:20] So what do we?

[01:11:21] Wow.

[01:11:22] What do we at?

[01:11:23] Wait, two turtles.

[01:11:24] Two for Batman one for T.M.

[01:11:25] Two for Batman one for Ninja.

[01:11:26] Two for Batman one for Ninja.

[01:11:27] Ninja bulls.

[01:11:28] Okay.

[01:11:29] Wolf, do you want to go or do you want me to go?

[01:11:31] He knew it was I suspect either of us is going to end this pretty quick.

[01:11:36] Go ahead and move.

[01:11:38] Just Batman is the harder game.

[01:11:43] T.M. and T.I've gotten further in T.M. and T.I.

[01:11:47] understand the mechanics.

[01:11:48] I think that I think that kelp the seaweed is cheap but doable and I've done it.

[01:11:57] So obviously it's doable but Batman I've never been able to get past level three.

[01:12:03] It's a decade shuts me down every damn time even with a game genie.

[01:12:09] I can't do it so I gotta go ninja turtles on this one.

[01:12:15] Wait, wait.

[01:12:17] You said Batman originally.

[01:12:19] Batman.

[01:12:20] I shouldn't call that out.

[01:12:21] I'm sorry if we're okay.

[01:12:24] Batman Batman is the harder one.

[01:12:28] All right.

[01:12:29] And chart, what's the you?

[01:12:30] Yeah, I gotta go with Batman.

[01:12:32] You know what the DC and DC comics doesn't what stand for doesn't care don't care for

[01:12:38] before you you should on my dreams.

[01:12:42] I'm going Batman.

[01:12:43] It's the harder game.

[01:12:44] It is the harder game of turtles.

[01:12:46] Okay.

[01:12:47] Batman moves on T.M. and T.I.

[01:12:49] Right out.

[01:12:50] That's fine.

[01:12:51] Might make third.

[01:12:52] Might make third.

[01:12:54] Okay.

[01:12:55] Next semi is Bart versus space mutants versus silver surfer.

[01:12:59] Oh, Jesus.

[01:13:00] Okay, come on buddies.

[01:13:01] Come on guys you know the right answer I'll go last.

[01:13:04] Well, okay.

[01:13:05] I'm going first again then if I'm sticking to my death like to my decision it's Bart versus

[01:13:13] the space mutants.

[01:13:14] It's a JDS broken game.

[01:13:16] I show you guys nothing but love.

[01:13:18] I go.

[01:13:19] Sorry, man.

[01:13:20] I'm following Cidistar with the same thing.

[01:13:23] I mean, if we're going with the logic that I also portrayed Bart versus space mutants

[01:13:28] because it is bullshit hard for no fucking reason so I can finish silver surfer.

[01:13:32] There will be a midweek episode where I just talk.

[01:13:36] Just so we all know.

[01:13:39] Midweek.

[01:13:40] I would like to see it.

[01:13:41] How would it be in every Friday?

[01:13:43] Yeah, I think it's a good one.

[01:13:45] Okay.

[01:13:46] Okay.

[01:13:47] Okay.

[01:13:48] Okay.

[01:13:49] So two for Bart.

[01:13:50] Yeah, Jake or Wolf.

[01:13:51] One of you guys just.

[01:13:52] I'll go.

[01:13:53] Like I said earlier, I don't think I could ever beat silver surfer.

[01:13:56] I think given enough time and enough patience, I could beat Bart versus the space mutants.

[01:14:01] I'd hate the whole thing.

[01:14:03] But I could beat it.

[01:14:04] I think I would never be able to do silver surfer and I would also hate that but that's mostly

[01:14:10] just because I'd be frustrated at how much I suck instead of frustrated at how bad the game is.

[01:14:14] So I got to give this one a silver surfer.

[01:14:17] Thank you.

[01:14:18] Thank you.

[01:14:20] I will also go silver surfer for no other reason that I want to see what Jake is going to say.

[01:14:25] And this is all rest on him.

[01:14:28] Jake, what's that you sir?

[01:14:30] Can I just pull out the envelope?

[01:14:31] Can we can we do this instead?

[01:14:32] No.

[01:14:33] 8 to 8 to 8 to.

[01:14:37] But they have a silver surfer that is really frustrating for me is there's no turbo.

[01:14:44] You have to tap on that button for every single kill and it's a lot of kills in that game,

[01:14:49] a lot of shooting.

[01:14:50] And that makes it physically difficult to play that game and it's very difficult.

[01:14:54] It's hard.

[01:14:55] Also I didn't that I've beaten Bart versus space mutants despite charts not believe me.

[01:15:00] I beat that game.

[01:15:01] I just thought it was shorter.

[01:15:03] I think it's shorter.

[01:15:04] It's like 4 or 5 levels at the most silver surfer is longer.

[01:15:07] So silver surfer is definitely the harder game, both physically by design.

[01:15:12] There's no accent hard with silver surfer.

[01:15:14] I mean you can you can just say Bart versus space mutants is a bad port probably.

[01:15:17] I looked it up.

[01:15:18] It's on the amiga and artari ST and those games get ported badly all the damn time.

[01:15:22] So I think the harder game is and if designed to be hard, it's silver surfer.

[01:15:26] I don't know.

[01:15:27] I don't like using turbos.

[01:15:29] So I honestly like and maybe it's all my special alone me time that I have.

[01:15:34] I didn't find silver surfer or fester's quest to be that taxing physically, but

[01:15:38] okay, so silver surfer moves on Bart.

[01:15:43] So we need the losers bracket no carpal tie which is.

[01:15:48] That's true TNT versus Bart for the loses bracket.

[01:15:52] Which is weird to say for the hardest game.

[01:15:54] I'll go I'll go last.

[01:15:57] I'm sticking to my guns.

[01:15:59] You know Bart is broken, right?

[01:16:02] I mean.

[01:16:04] We want to speed this up.

[01:16:06] I'm going to start to do it to two for yeah, it's Bart if we're talking about the

[01:16:11] dos version of TNT obviously TNT because it's more broken but sure.

[01:16:15] It was working as intended so.

[01:16:19] Bart okay Jake what would you have said?

[01:16:23] Yeah, turtles again.

[01:16:25] You can beat it once you memorize it once you've learned it.

[01:16:27] Bart even when you know what to do just the platforming with them all stages and the museum

[01:16:32] stages the platformings are awful the mechanics are awful.

[01:16:35] That's the hard game Bart for sure.

[01:16:37] So Bart takes third place.

[01:16:39] Even though I would say ninja turtles but I don't think anybody's shot there.

[01:16:44] Let's go for the finals then we got so bad man versus silver surfer which actually

[01:16:49] you know I'm interested that's interesting that silver surfer did make our top three as a hard game.

[01:16:54] That's the hardest game.

[01:16:56] It's funny that bad.

[01:16:58] I can go first or I can go later but either way I can go first or I can go later.

[01:17:03] Really?

[01:17:04] I'll go for it.

[01:17:05] Definitely one of the other.

[01:17:06] Never mind.

[01:17:07] If you guys try tunnels.

[01:17:10] Well, I'm just I'm in my way to vertical shafts.

[01:17:15] Batman if I pick that up right now, I don't know that I would beat it.

[01:17:20] Silver surfer I probably could but I would also have more different options for how to get through it.

[01:17:27] But I'm.

[01:17:29] Fuck this one stuff I'll I'll go.

[01:17:32] I just got done saying really if you if you put the time in anybody can really figure out silver surfer

[01:17:37] but you could figure out Batman.

[01:17:38] Damn it never mind.

[01:17:39] I'm not going to go first.

[01:17:40] Batman's the answer.

[01:17:41] Okay Batman.

[01:17:44] Alright.

[01:17:45] I'm going to vote silver surfer.

[01:17:46] I'm going to vote silver surfer having watched all of them.

[01:17:49] I think silver surfer.

[01:17:50] Are you mad at me?

[01:17:51] Is that why you're you're just.

[01:17:53] No, I remember remembering the time when he came in when you were playing battle toads and he's just remembering.

[01:17:59] I'm not on here.

[01:18:00] Why why yeah, I'm sorry there's just so many good games.

[01:18:03] We have a whole discord that we had this discussion in for a week.

[01:18:09] I'm not on the list.

[01:18:11] Nobody said nothing.

[01:18:13] No one said was a wolf.

[01:18:14] I think it made.

[01:18:15] I proposed games and you guys threw some more at me and everybody was like yeah, it's good list.

[01:18:23] Yeah, great list.

[01:18:24] It was unanimously agreed that the list was worthy.

[01:18:28] One in five.

[01:18:29] One more out of five.

[01:18:30] Apparently.

[01:18:31] The else going next.

[01:18:32] I'll go silver surfer is harder because it's physically harder to play and I don't think I would ever physically be able to get through like.

[01:18:38] Game without turbo, which feels like it's cheating.

[01:18:41] Batman I think I could probably be Batman if I gave it 12 months maybe fifths the sycophine game.

[01:18:47] Nothing I would next year.

[01:18:48] I'm going to be five.

[01:18:49] So silver server.

[01:18:51] Okay.

[01:18:52] Okay.

[01:18:53] I'm going back and silver surfer has a path.

[01:18:56] There's a path that can be found in there.

[01:18:59] That all you have to do is memorize it and go from there.

[01:19:02] I'm sure Batman has one too, but there's platforming.

[01:19:04] There's other obstacles.

[01:19:06] Silver surfer has a path.

[01:19:08] You just need to find the path and follow the path like like GP said, if you could beat it once you could probably beat it and infinitely after that.

[01:19:17] Can I be battle toads again?

[01:19:19] Probably not and why is that because there's not I mean, there's a memorization, but there's no there's platforming.

[01:19:25] There's vehicles or so this other shit and Batman's very similar.

[01:19:28] It's got platforms.

[01:19:29] You've got a timer jumps right.

[01:19:30] You got to do all this other shit.

[01:19:32] Silver surfer has a path.

[01:19:33] That's a good thing.

[01:19:34] Yeah, so I mean, you should have been on the list.

[01:19:37] Never mind.

[01:19:38] Okay.

[01:19:39] Hey GP, next time make the list for us.

[01:19:43] Yeah, they're sure.

[01:19:44] No, I'm just going to bitch about it knowing I can't do anything except for do a solo episode here in a few days.

[01:19:50] So fully diver was not this list little Sam Sim is not here.

[01:19:54] Holy dive on track.

[01:19:55] It was never released in the US.

[01:19:57] Yeah, that's true until recently.

[01:19:59] Yeah, I'm sorry.

[01:20:01] I'm sorry.

[01:20:02] I love you all, but the tension here is killing me wolf.

[01:20:06] Well, it's got to do at least it's not the hat breaking the tie.

[01:20:10] Okay.

[01:20:11] I feel like given enough time, I could beat Batman.

[01:20:17] Uh-huh.

[01:20:19] Like I said, I don't think I could with silver server silver surfers harder than Batman.

[01:20:23] Wow.

[01:20:24] For golfing.

[01:20:27] Okay, so silver surfers number one.

[01:20:30] Okay.

[01:20:31] Number two.

[01:20:32] I mean, number two about either of those.

[01:20:34] And then what was he start?

[01:20:36] Part for his or his or his face?

[01:20:38] Yeah, everybody's favorite game.

[01:20:40] It's not about favorite.

[01:20:42] It's about how stupid it is the hardest game.

[01:20:45] I know.

[01:20:46] I get it.

[01:20:47] I get it.

[01:20:48] But I don't love any of these poorly designed games.

[01:20:53] Well, I mean,

[01:20:54] I mean, I'm just thinking of one of these games.

[01:20:57] But we picked them.

[01:20:58] So here we have.

[01:20:59] I'm just understanding.

[01:21:00] So for bad luck, you think that would beat silver surfers a hardest game?

[01:21:05] No, I mean, nobody's gonna give me something here that will you think would it be then?

[01:21:10] As a hardest game bubble, uh,

[01:21:13] there's a lot of levels of bubble bubble.

[01:21:15] I love.

[01:21:16] I have.

[01:21:18] I have.

[01:21:19] I have.

[01:21:20] I have beaten bubble bubble.

[01:21:22] And that's not something I can claim.

[01:21:24] Let's talk about.

[01:21:25] A lot of.

[01:21:26] Atress wasn't on here.

[01:21:27] Let's talk about.

[01:21:28] You know what's a great game?

[01:21:30] Ballot.

[01:21:31] Gold steak, you know, I've beaten ballotter twice.

[01:21:34] You've been in this fucking nice.

[01:21:36] It's the only person of press B that has not finished a fucking hand.

[01:21:40] Thanks for rubbing that in.

[01:21:41] You know what?

[01:21:42] You should do.

[01:21:43] Shit on chart tonight.

[01:21:44] Is that what it is?

[01:21:45] We're going to ignore.

[01:21:46] You know,

[01:21:47] I'm not going to.

[01:21:48] I'm not going to.

[01:21:49] Is it because I patched battle toads and ninja guidance?

[01:21:51] That's why.

[01:21:52] Look,

[01:21:53] Wow, thank you.

[01:21:54] You want to talk shit on somebody in an episode?

[01:21:57] What was the alternative from the envelope tonight?

[01:21:59] Eight-shape.

[01:22:00] Hey,

[01:22:01] It wasn't a shit on chart,

[01:22:02] but apparently that's what eight doobies wasn't my idea.

[01:22:05] Oh,

[01:22:06] must be some cold to eat.

[01:22:08] GPs like when you do the envelope thing,

[01:22:10] do this through your window.

[01:22:11] That's not very nice at all.

[01:22:12] We decided we decided on this topic.

[01:22:15] And he is closest to you.

[01:22:17] He's close to you,

[01:22:18] but the whole load over in j.

[01:22:19] You got it.

[01:22:20] You know,

[01:22:21] I'm taking away your Marco Polo privileges.

[01:22:24] Wow.

[01:22:25] With lost levels have been high on this list, do you think?

[01:22:28] Probably.

[01:22:29] That's my fancily.

[01:22:30] Rock.

[01:22:31] What made it?

[01:22:32] Yes,

[01:22:33] Yes,

[01:22:34] It'll leave hard NES game to rock.

[01:22:36] Yeah.

[01:22:37] It's hard because of.

[01:22:38] It's hard because of.

[01:22:39] It's hard because of the fog.

[01:22:40] It's the fog.

[01:22:41] Yeah,

[01:22:42] Okay.

[01:22:43] I think with Turok that made it hard NES hard was that it was hard to get at the play on the NES.

[01:22:48] And in a way,

[01:22:49] I'm apparently using logic and talking more difficult.

[01:22:53] You're talking broken NES games broken NES games for sure.

[01:22:57] Turrog.

[01:22:58] Yeah.

[01:22:59] It's a car that has no engine.

[01:23:01] That's a game that like the NES is hard as a hard time playing.

[01:23:05] So yeah.

[01:23:06] Yeah.

[01:23:07] Yeah.

[01:23:08] I love.

[01:23:09] It's a win win conversation.

[01:23:10] I love.

[01:23:11] It's a win win conversation.

[01:23:12] It's a win win conversation.

[01:23:13] Oh, God.

[01:23:14] Guys, honestly, this is the kind of episode I feel the podcast was made for where we don't

[01:23:28] necessarily have to agree because ultimately you guys are wrong and I encourage it.

[01:23:33] And I love that.

[01:23:34] I love that about you guys and that you guys are so convicted in your wrongness.

[01:23:39] It's, um,

[01:23:40] I haven't convicted me yet.

[01:23:41] Okay.

[01:23:42] It's still open.

[01:23:43] But anyway,

[01:23:44] I love that we have the five of us here.

[01:23:46] I always look forward to March because it's right before I take nine months off.

[01:23:51] And, uh,

[01:23:52] I mean,

[01:23:53] it is when it is when chart pisses you off is during my time.

[01:23:56] We'll say this.

[01:23:57] So unexpectedly,

[01:23:58] I got hit in the field multiple times, uh, from chat and for you guys.

[01:24:02] Uh,

[01:24:03] remember in the, the, the good old days.

[01:24:06] So anyway, that said, um,

[01:24:09] does anybody have anything else?

[01:24:10] I know I've talked way too much today.

[01:24:12] Play Blotro.

[01:24:13] Play Blotro.

[01:24:14] Play Blotro.

[01:24:15] He might short.

[01:24:16] Yeah.

[01:24:17] He might short.

[01:24:18] That game.

[01:24:19] I want to shout out one game real quick because I don't think we're ever going to do an episode on it.

[01:24:22] Um,

[01:24:23] which is fast become my favorite studio.

[01:24:25] They just released the Jeff Mentor story.

[01:24:28] Jeff Mentor is a UK, uh, pretty prolific indie game developer.

[01:24:32] Indie by like choice at this point.

[01:24:34] I mean, he's, he's such a,

[01:24:36] just a weird guy.

[01:24:37] But he's made a bunch of games and this collection is like,

[01:24:40] it's like 20 of his,

[01:24:41] of his oldest games from like the ZX spectrum and,

[01:24:44] and the Atari ST and all that stuff.

[01:24:46] And it's just,

[01:24:47] it's very UK,

[01:24:48] very British guy,

[01:24:49] very interesting guy.

[01:24:50] Are the game is good?

[01:24:51] No.

[01:24:53] Although the remaster of Grid Runner is actually,

[01:24:55] it's like a centipede on cocaine.

[01:24:57] It's actually a lot of fun.

[01:24:58] Oh, we're talking about alone.

[01:25:00] But I love these compilations.

[01:25:02] I love cocaine.

[01:25:03] Sure.

[01:25:04] We ended the episode.

[01:25:05] Nobody listens this far.

[01:25:06] It's fine.

[01:25:07] We can all give our secrets.

[01:25:08] I do.

[01:25:09] I love them.

[01:25:10] I love these collections they've been doing because the video and the background interviews are really great.

[01:25:16] And you get to play prototypes and you get that behind the curtains view of video game development.

[01:25:20] And he's like the,

[01:25:22] he's like the original indie developer and it's really interesting.

[01:25:25] It's like 40 box full price.

[01:25:27] If you see it on sale, go grab it.

[01:25:29] It's, it's, you'll take you like five six hours ago through it.

[01:25:31] Just the games are a trip to go through.

[01:25:33] Are they easy?

[01:25:34] Are they good?

[01:25:35] No.

[01:25:36] But it's worth it as the coffee tablebook of games.

[01:25:38] It's like Karrateek.

[01:25:39] I love Karrateek last year.

[01:25:41] And the Atari 50 from a couple years ago.

[01:25:43] It's the same group who did this one.

[01:25:44] And it definitely is worth picking up.

[01:25:46] So presented five minutes ago.

[01:25:47] Tommy Wiseau, right?

[01:25:48] Yeah.

[01:25:49] Yes. Yeah.

[01:25:49] Oh, I games.

[01:25:50] Oh, I games like that.

[01:25:52] Yeah, I did not beat it.

[01:25:53] I did not.

[01:25:54] Is not the story is not the story of this episode.

[01:26:03] I did not beat it.

[01:26:05] I did not.

[01:26:06] I did.

[01:26:07] High games.

[01:26:08] Oh, we should have done that actually and see how many of us have beaten these games as we

[01:26:13] had threw because I think shockingly most of these games were not beaten by most of us.

[01:26:20] Yeah.

[01:26:21] Wow.

[01:26:22] Yeah, I mean, we can do that real quick who's beaten by you, Billy?

[01:26:25] Who wants to be by villain?

[01:26:27] Sorry.

[01:26:28] Zero.

[01:26:29] I wish I could interject a cricket noise into this.

[01:26:32] Yeah.

[01:26:33] If we were on discord, we'd have it.

[01:26:35] Yeah, beaten that man.

[01:26:36] One.

[01:26:37] Who's beaten battle toads?

[01:26:40] Two.

[01:26:41] Right.

[01:26:42] Also, Bedged.

[01:26:43] Who's beaten Bucky or hair?

[01:26:47] That's a zero.

[01:26:48] Who's beaten Bart?

[01:26:51] That don't lie.

[01:26:52] Zero.

[01:26:53] Don't lie.

[01:26:54] I'm not even beaten by you.

[01:26:55] Okay.

[01:26:56] I was born and only had some of the games.

[01:26:58] He beat Bart with a bat.

[01:26:59] It was.

[01:27:00] Yeah.

[01:27:01] I beat Bart was a bat too.

[01:27:03] Who's beaten Ninja Gaiden?

[01:27:06] Two people.

[01:27:07] Bedged.

[01:27:08] Two.

[01:27:09] Almost.

[01:27:10] I beat him silver surfer.

[01:27:12] One, right?

[01:27:13] Just one.

[01:27:14] And TMNT.

[01:27:15] Two.

[01:27:16] Jake stop lying.

[01:27:17] You're not to lie.

[01:27:18] Man.

[01:27:19] Are you gay or are you lying?

[01:27:20] I'm playing with the new games.

[01:27:21] And Bucky or hair are tied for zero.

[01:27:28] And battle toads.

[01:27:30] Ninja Gaiden and TMNT are tied with two.

[01:27:34] There you go.

[01:27:35] And I'm expected to take your guys' opinion seriously.

[01:27:37] So that's all the time we have.

[01:27:39] I'm not.

[01:27:40] I know.

[01:27:41] I talk so much shit today.

[01:27:42] I'm so sorry guys.

[01:27:43] Um, yeah.

[01:27:44] Let's go around tell everybody what we're up to if you're a streaming

[01:27:48] or if you got anything major coming up please feel free to tell

[01:27:50] everybody.

[01:27:51] Are you going to start recording the ones?

[01:27:55] I'm probably going to start recording my Okami gameplay because

[01:28:00] Char was kind enough to give me a copy on steam.

[01:28:03] Thank you sir.

[01:28:04] You're welcome.

[01:28:05] It's a great game.

[01:28:06] Everybody should have it.

[01:28:07] Nice.

[01:28:08] Um, but also before we go I want to mention a game that just came out last week called

[01:28:13] berserk.

[01:28:14] Everybody go check it out.

[01:28:15] It got buried by the just onslaught of EA releases.

[01:28:20] Yeah.

[01:28:21] That day and it got pushed out of new and trending right away.

[01:28:23] A number of a number of other indie games did as well.

[01:28:27] And it's a fair.

[01:28:28] It's a very cool Mega Man like go check it out.

[01:28:34] Look up there's articles about games that got pushed out by that so go look

[01:28:38] them up if you're interested and see what got buried and what probably

[01:28:42] won't get the attention it deserves and maybe throw it some.

[01:28:46] Yeah.

[01:28:47] Test just question have been on the list.

[01:28:49] So, OK yeah, uh, chart.

[01:28:50] What do you got going on?

[01:28:52] Well, since I'm the only one that has finished my specific game I have moved

[01:28:55] on to part two of my Sisyphian challenge.

[01:28:57] I can install it at any time.

[01:28:59] OK, stop.

[01:29:00] Stop it.

[01:29:01] Challenge is Jake.

[01:29:02] No, it's never going to until you beat it.

[01:29:04] You're going to get you're getting rid of now to hear like a rented meal.

[01:29:07] Um, I uh, I've been playing some horizon for Midwest where we're,

[01:29:12] where it's it's slow going but we're getting.

[01:29:15] I think it's going to start picking up real good real soon so it's been a great play.

[01:29:19] I've also been.

[01:29:20] Been gifted.

[01:29:21] Uh, if I don't see seven remake for the fucking PC.

[01:29:26] Uh, so there may be some pain.

[01:29:29] Who gave you this?

[01:29:30] This would be fine.

[01:29:31] Von.

[01:29:32] But it's not without me bitching about.

[01:29:35] I wanted on my steam deck so I could fucking play it downstairs.

[01:29:39] I don't know.

[01:29:40] I might end up streaming it because I'm sure everybody will love to watch my reaction

[01:29:45] since Final Fantasy 8 is one of my all time favorite fucking games stream for you guys

[01:29:50] because all I do is piss and moan the entire time.

[01:29:53] So that might pop.

[01:29:55] I want to write something out there.

[01:29:58] Just real quick because you were, you've been agonizing over getting Final Fantasy

[01:30:02] 8.

[01:30:03] Yeah, I have been.

[01:30:04] I have been and you are like the reviews are good.

[01:30:06] I want to check it out.

[01:30:07] And I'm like the reviews for the first one were good.

[01:30:09] You didn't like that one.

[01:30:10] Yeah.

[01:30:11] I know.

[01:30:12] So here's the thing.

[01:30:13] Here's the thing.

[01:30:14] I'm going to get down on that one twice.

[01:30:15] I do.

[01:30:16] I have it in two versions.

[01:30:17] I have it on PlayStation 5 and on uh, steemedak.

[01:30:20] I wanted to play it on steam deck and it was hard to play because my PS5 wasn't working

[01:30:23] because my Wi-Fi sucks which you guys love to gloriously point out to me every time I

[01:30:27] decided to multi-platform stream.

[01:30:28] Uh, but uh, so I decided you know we're going to play it on the steemedak and give it a

[01:30:33] shot and maybe I'll stream it.

[01:30:34] I don't know.

[01:30:35] It could it could good for good some good entertainment watching me absolutely fucking hate on this game.

[01:30:41] So chances are pretty opportunit for that.

[01:30:43] I am uh, impatiently waiting for Earth tree to come out in June, June 20th.

[01:30:50] I think it's going to be released.

[01:30:51] So we'll be going back to uh, the lands between here real soon.

[01:30:55] Uh, control Alan Wake 2.

[01:30:58] We got a list of stuff that we're going to try and get through so though I've done my homework early because I'm

[01:31:03] that kind of kid and I also brought the teacher an apple because I'm also a kiss ass.

[01:31:08] Um, we're gonna we're gonna try and finish up for Midwest here real soon.

[01:31:11] So that's that was a long-winded I'm playing for Midwest and Bellotcher.

[01:31:15] I love it.

[01:31:16] I'm a sinister where the teacher you'd want to bring him in apple too.

[01:31:21] Yeah, Adam.

[01:31:22] All right.

[01:31:23] So that's what I do.

[01:31:24] Where's that cricket sound effect?

[01:31:25] Where's that cricket sound effect?

[01:31:26] Uh, you know, I think it's a good thing.

[01:31:27] Oh, for those listening,

[01:31:28] Cidistar and I made rather good faces.

[01:31:31] We all make faces at that joke.

[01:31:34] Yeah, come watch it.

[01:31:35] I actually want to like it subscribe.

[01:31:37] You know funny enough that that was apropos because I hit up a local classified site

[01:31:44] and there is an apple to you for sale right now.

[01:31:47] That's a good condition.

[01:31:48] I'm in place.

[01:31:49] And I am, I am,

[01:31:51] I am like, I am fucking like,

[01:31:54] I'm pulling a chart here with like Final Fantasy remaster whatever the fuck number one was called.

[01:32:02] I am pulling a chart where I'm like,

[01:32:04] I, I want this but I,

[01:32:06] but I don't like yeah anyway.

[01:32:09] So that's the core.

[01:32:10] There's a core.

[01:32:11] I know that's not the shadow of is what you want.

[01:32:14] You want to know what the heart was.

[01:32:16] No, no, no.

[01:32:17] I have to point out though,

[01:32:19] the apple to core on the mystery is missing some features.

[01:32:22] That's, that is the fact.

[01:32:24] And so there's a part of me that's like anyway.

[01:32:28] No, when I'm not recording Halo playthroughs with Wolf and making them 50 gigs,

[01:32:35] I'm actually showing up on Twitch most Mondays right now.

[01:32:39] And I'm doing kind of one off road likes and stuff like that did some ballot row.

[01:32:44] Having a good time.

[01:32:45] I just skipped this last week,

[01:32:46] but I should be back on Monday.

[01:32:49] Okay, wonderful.

[01:32:51] And I'm not doing shit.

[01:32:53] So I'm basically just here on Presbyte cancel.

[01:32:56] If you're not following us on YouTube, go ahead and do that.

[01:32:58] You can find us on Twitch as well as Presbyte cancel.

[01:33:00] And yeah.

[01:33:02] We appreciate all the support.

[01:33:04] Wow.

[01:33:05] Jake, what are you doing?

[01:33:07] I will, I mean, now that I have a nice computer, I could stream.

[01:33:10] I should be streaming, but there's a game called ballot row.

[01:33:13] I wish to take him all my time.

[01:33:15] Streaming.

[01:33:16] And I honestly just streamed that stream.

[01:33:17] Dream the shit out of me because that's all I'm playing right now.

[01:33:19] I did it yesterday.

[01:33:20] Do it do it.

[01:33:21] It's so good.

[01:33:23] I could see you flush your way to the top.

[01:33:25] But then I got the pressure of you staring at me.

[01:33:27] And when I don't win, you're going to be like,

[01:33:29] so you're going to.

[01:33:30] Oh, yeah.

[01:33:32] You can't be like, hey, how the flushes work Jake?

[01:33:35] How that go?

[01:33:36] How would any five get fuck?

[01:33:37] Yeah.

[01:33:38] Just like that.

[01:33:39] Thank you.

[01:33:40] Why are we playing two cards, though?

[01:33:41] It's why we're playing two cards.

[01:33:42] It makes no sense.

[01:33:44] You know what?

[01:33:45] It doesn't make sense.

[01:33:46] Jake.

[01:33:47] Why do you drink milk out of a bag?

[01:33:48] That's what I wanted to understand.

[01:33:49] That's just.

[01:33:50] We don't only need.

[01:33:51] We only do that over here.

[01:33:52] Dies.

[01:33:53] Guys.

[01:33:54] Guys.

[01:33:55] Guys.

[01:33:56] Jake.

[01:33:57] That's what we're.

[01:33:58] That's what we're doing.

[01:33:59] We're doing.

[01:34:00] Guys.

[01:34:01] Guys.

[01:34:02] Guys.

[01:34:03] Guys.

[01:34:04] Jake, that's us friends now.

[01:34:05] You better treat me better.

[01:34:06] And no.

[01:34:07] Everyone in first place.

[01:34:08] Watch your stream chart when you're playing.

[01:34:10] That'll go.

[01:34:11] Elven Ray played.

[01:34:12] Elven Ray?

[01:34:13] Yeah.

[01:34:14] That was the first time.

[01:34:15] I've known you for like five years and that's the first game you came up.

[01:34:20] Somehow, I don't believe that's true.

[01:34:22] I'm not there for the gameplay.

[01:34:29] You guys remember when Charm used to come tell fan fiction in the.

[01:34:32] I did.

[01:34:33] I did.

[01:34:34] I did.

[01:34:35] I was.

[01:34:36] You ran stream.

[01:34:37] Yes.

[01:34:38] It was not.

[01:34:39] Double drag.

[01:34:40] You could have been on the list.

[01:34:41] Anyway.

[01:34:42] I love it.

[01:34:43] I love you all.

[01:34:44] And thanks everyone for tuning in.

[01:34:47] Is there anything else that needs to be said?

[01:34:50] We love you all.

[01:34:51] We love you all.

[01:34:52] I'll throw the.

[01:34:53] Yes.

[01:34:54] I'll play about your sport and.

[01:34:55] Yeah.

[01:34:56] We'll see you next week, everybody.

[01:34:58] Well, that's a good scoozy.

[01:35:28] I'll see you next week.