Press B 195: Best N64 games!

[00:00:00] Hey guys, how many times does 8 go into 64? Today on... The Answer's 8 Don't bash this, they're over the intro. Where else do I bash him? Come on! Welcome everybody to another episode of Press B To Cancel, your favorite retro gaming podcast.

[00:00:35] Well normally I don't know about this week but we got a full crew of people. We got everybody here from Press B plus a special guest which I'll get to in a moment. Let's just go around the room real quick. Wolf, how you doing this week?

[00:00:47] Hoping my internet doesn't go out again during the recording so... Pray for me folks or something. I don't know. Hack Comcast, I don't know what you got to do. Tell your ISP to stop bottlenecking up here. Crymini.

[00:01:01] It wouldn't be Press B that's some technical issue so at least it's not me this week. That's all I care about. GP, you're here this week. How are you doing? Backupification? I'm doing great. It feels wonderful to be back and I am thrilled to be discussing

[00:01:15] Game of the Year with you all today so thank you. That's next week but that's okay. Chard, you're here. You know what day it is today right? No. I don't even know where I'm at. Zinna Star, happy Friday. It's going to be a good episode guys.

[00:01:34] That's a visual. All right and we also have a special guest which is great because clearly the rest of us are unqualified. Talk about this week's topic. We're joined by Dave for the Remember64 podcast. Dave, thanks for coming up this week. How you doing?

[00:01:48] I'm doing great guys. This is awesome. You guys can just keep going. It's all good. You don't need me. This is fantastic. And qualified I would say is a very strong word to describe my experience and quote unquote knowledge with the 64.

[00:02:01] You say we don't need you but we brought you here as a babysitter. We didn't tell you. We do need you. It's rare in which the new hire gets to be in the same episode of one of the people being fired. We don't know who yet.

[00:02:21] Cool. I'm glad to be part of the experiment. Dave's going to be handing out carcaches of werewolf to each of us. Whoever doesn't get it. I go home. Oh boy. All right. Well look here. Why we need you? I'll tell you right now. So here at Presby,

[00:02:38] we've been tasked by the International Olympic Committee at times because they have known better to go to I guess to discuss and rank and determine the best of certain things in categories. And this week they've tasked us with determining the best

[00:02:53] Nintendo 64 game of all time. There's so many to choose from. But of course we don't want to be here for four hours. So we limited ourselves to just eight and 64 games, which have been randomly allocated into a bracket by a machine

[00:03:07] algorithm that I devised over the last year. Perfected. What could say? And we're going to run those brackets as a team. And we're going to vote on games and kind of move into a process and using this scientific process. We're a team. There's being team right?

[00:03:22] We're going to determine the best and 64 game as only we can at Presby. So look, if your game is not on this top eight, then I'm sorry it's trash. It just didn't make the cut. You know what can I say?

[00:03:34] I did just rewatch Captain America Civil War just so I could be prepared to fight you guys. So let's go. Impressive. It's been a while. Team Iron Man. Oh, we haven't done a bracket episode, I think since, gosh, not since last March. It can't be that long ago

[00:03:51] because we did March Radness last year. We did a bunch of brackets. If we trim down the opener there about how the brackets work, we could probably add another bracket. I love you, Jeff. No, we're stopping at eight. I'm sorry.

[00:04:05] I'm not reallocating this algorithm, but I do have a twist for you guys. I did not tell you. I got two things. One, there are six of us here as long as Wolf's Internet holds out.

[00:04:15] If we cannot agree on a winner in a bracket, we have two options. One, we turn it over to Metacritic and we just look at who has a higher ranking of Metacritic because we know Metacritic is never wrong and that's our winner. Or I've got

[00:04:29] this sealed envelope. Oh, geez. Okay. On this sealed envelope is a mystery game. We can only do this once. It's the only one mystery game. I don't know what it is. It's mystery even to me. It's sealed. You can't tell. Close your eyes. How does that work? Yeah.

[00:04:49] He wrote it down and then immediately bashed himself in the head to forget. I'm 42. I got a short ten. It's a mystery game and if we can't agree, I'll whip out the mystery game and it'll be a three-way and we determine who

[00:05:05] has the most votes out of three games. Does that sound fair? I'm down. I haven't had a three-way in a long time. Let's go. Hold on. My wife's asking a question. No. No. You know what? It's Friday. Screw it. Exactly the problem.

[00:05:28] We do have four matchups and we're going to start with the first one. Let's just get right into it. Mario 64 versus Banjo-Gazooie. Let's just rip that Band-Aid off right now. These are all going to sound... It doesn't seem rigged at all. None of them is even rigged.

[00:05:43] No. Randomly allocated chart. Machine-generated algorithm. You haven't seen open AIs. I'm starting to wonder if Canada understands what random actually means. I don't think that word means what you think it means, sir. Nice. Keep saying this word. No offense, Dave.

[00:06:01] Are you implying that of those top eight games that the two 3D platformers were not matched together in a completely random fashion? That's so strange. I don't know what that means. We have Mario 64, which is basically, I think, set the

[00:06:18] standard for the 3D character genre. It brought camera controls. It brought 3D movement and analog stick. On the N64, it defined a genre. Then you have Banjo-Gazooie from Rare, which I think improved on the genre. It learned a lot of things from

[00:06:33] Mario 64 and it's still the same kind of game, 3D platformer, different abilities, collect-a-thon. I'm going to jump in if I may. I'm going to start first. Everybody okay with that? Thank you. Banjo-Gazooie improved upon the formula the same way that Perfect Dark approved upon GoldenEye.

[00:06:52] GoldenEye just set the standard and that is you can look up GoldenEye on the internet and you're going to find more about the 64 game than you're going to find about the movie. Perfect Dark took those things, put it into sci-fi genre

[00:07:06] and made it better in that way. But GoldenEye, to me, would still be higher on the list of better games. If you look at Mario 64, not only did that set the standard for what all the other platformers would be based on,

[00:07:18] it did so much for the Mario franchise. Look at the moveset that they gave him in that game. Those are all still basically his same moves. The triple jump, the butt stomp, all of that kind of stuff.

[00:07:30] I don't want to go too long because we've got a full roster today and we're going to have a lot of back at episodes go a long ways. But I think Mario 64 is the right call here for those reasons. Thank you. I can see my time. Okay.

[00:07:43] I'm going to, my vote is no question that it's Banjo-Gazooie, like no question to me. Absolutely no question. Well, you had a good run. Yeah. I think that, I don't know if anyone could see it behind me, but I have every one of the games in that franchise.

[00:08:00] Bingo. I don't know what for this franchise in particular because it just is so much has so much more personality in my opinion. And to me in games that brings a lot to the table, like even modern games has a little bit of humor and it works.

[00:08:14] It has really clever writing. You hook me in a different way. And yes, this is 25 plus years ago. So it's a little bit different, but it's still there down to the character design, to the levels, to the goofy story, to what you're collecting.

[00:08:30] Like, does it all make sense? It doesn't really matter. You're just there to have a fun time. And I do think that it is a massive improvement over Mario 64, even though without Mario 64, you do not have games like this. I am all for that. I completely agree.

[00:08:47] It is the game of the console, if anything, because of what it brought to this generation of games. But I just have always had more fun with Banjo-Gazooie and Tui and it's just, I just find them to be more fun and the mechanics are more interesting.

[00:09:03] They are fun. You're not wrong. I just have always had a better time with them. So that's where I stand. Yeah, that's my elevator pitch. Okay, so between the two. Okay, cool. Just to make sure I understood. Yeah, it's cool. Between those two, it's perfect art. Yeah.

[00:09:25] I will go ahead and add another tally mark to the Mario 64 side. I played the hell out of Mario 64. We played that until our fingers bled. It was such a great concept and I have to concede to the idea of it being the first ever.

[00:09:45] It's the, you know, it is the basis. It's the platform without it to Camp Banjo-Gazooie could not exist. But to be honest, I didn't play a whole lot of Banjo-Gazooie growing up and I barely played it as an adult. But even to this day,

[00:09:56] I will go back and still throw penguins off of the side of cliffs and do how kick flips all over the place. I mean, you get a one-two and a kick thrown in with the bunch stop and the triple pat or the triple jump.

[00:10:09] It's like Mario took gymnastic lessons and, you know, even the Europeans are giving them a 10. So I have to go with Mario 64 and I'll just keep it short and sweet. Okay. I got to call you out, Chard. You're saying you like the moves in Mario 64?

[00:10:28] You're going to call me out, Jake? Why don't you finish your Sisyphean game and then play Elden Ring and then get off my game? We'll get to that later. So you liked all the different moves, the triple jump, the back flip and all that great stuff in Mario 64.

[00:10:39] Yet you don't like Mario or Donkey Kong 94 on the Game Boy, which has all those moves. We're really going to bring this up right now. Yeah, I'm going to bring it up. This episode has nothing to do with Game Boy. Can we stay on topic?

[00:10:50] Stay on topic. Let's stay on target. We'll talk about that later. Please do not be smirked to the Donkey Kong series. Do not. Let's talk about the Game Boy for a minute. Dave's talking last long with me and Donkey Kong. It sounds like Dave's coming back

[00:11:04] for our Donkey Kong episode. Yeah, that'll be a fun one. Yeah, most of us in the country, a lot of us like Donkey Kong and the Game Boy. That's a whole other episode. So your vote is Mario 64, I guess, Chard? Yes, I am.

[00:11:17] Alright, Sinister, let me go then because my vote is Banjo-Kazooie to tie it up here. I think Banjo-Kazooie is one of the greatest mascot 3D platformers that's ever been put out there. It's done by Rare. Rare has made some fantastic games over their time. True.

[00:11:32] I think Mario 64, a lot of the level designs are kind of uninspired. I don't think they've worked that great. I know it's the first one, but when you compare Mario 64 to Mario World or Mario Brothers 3, the graphics don't feel up to the same quality.

[00:11:47] I know it's early 3D, and that's the thing with early 3D, and Banjo had more time to refine the graphical style. But I think Banjo looks so much better, looks a lot better detailed, better textures, better animations, just better everything. It's a better looking game.

[00:12:01] The music is jamming. It has multiple NPC characters that are fun and charming. There's kind of voice, I guess, but it's the way the Rare does it. When you want to talk about different moves, yes, Mario 64 has a lot of moves, but Banjo-Kazooie has twice the moves,

[00:12:16] if I'm not wrong, because you have Kazooie. So there's the glide jump, there's the peck move, there's the barrel roll, there's shooting eggs. You can fly. Yeah, and flying. I think you can fly Mario, but... You can fly Mario. Yeah, but Mario 64's flying sucks.

[00:12:28] You have to get that temporary hat pickup, and it only lasts for a short time. It's very hard to control. It's not nearly the same. I think Banjo does it better. Just a more charming game. There's more of a plot to Banjo than there is over Mario 64.

[00:12:42] I appreciate Mario 64, but I think when you compare it to Banjo, it's like comparing Mario Bros. 1 to Mario Bros. 3 to me. That's how different the graphics feel when I look at those two games side by side. I think Banjo's the better title.

[00:12:54] Sinistar is using our charming references against us, and I don't appreciate it. I would never do that. I'm joking. How dare you? Do you know who inspired Rush real quick? There were some musical influences, but Neil Peart mostly just turned into literature

[00:13:11] because he was doing something new for the first time. Do you know how many bands Rush inspired? All of them. You want to pull out the uninspired thing. They had zero to work from. Goose egg. That's all right. No, it's fine.

[00:13:28] I don't want to talk smack on Banjo, any of them. But I mean, come on. But I will. But hey, that's what I'm going to start. My best friend, the person who was the best man in my wedding both times started off his best man's speech with

[00:13:46] welcome back everybody. What say you? Sinistar, our friend came and hung out and we showed him a good time and got to take you to our favorite free old bar. Sinistar, I told you how good your mic sounds lately.

[00:14:02] If this is if this is how this is going to go, my PayPal's waiting and I'll just watch the numbers. So whoever wants to, you know, enhance. Yeah, enhance. No, OK, so. Wow. I'm going to piss off some people. I'm going to piss off some people.

[00:14:23] I'm going to piss off two of you. It's all right if it's Canada. They'll get over. OK, bring it. We're ready for this particular year. So. Mario 64 is is is is the first of the of the of really the three. Oh, God, I just wait too early.

[00:14:48] Yeah, of the 3D platformers. And the problem is, is you can see it and you can feel it and you can taste it. And it's I mean, Banjo Kazooie stood on the backs of giants. But every time I spin up Mario 64 and I played the hell out of 64,

[00:15:11] I get so tired of doing the same level seven times. Wow. I guess so tired of doing the same level seven times, it feels lazy to me for them to be like, go collect these seven stars from this level or five stars or however. Go collect them.

[00:15:30] Well, OK, so I'm going to go back. OK, yeah, go back and do the same level. OK, go back and do the same level. OK, go back and do the same level. And and it's tiresome. It really is. Would you rather have 120 individual stages where they just

[00:15:47] their one shots instead of, hey, go back and do the stage, but try to look for something else than what you saw the first time. Like there's my counterpoint. OK, the banjo is banjo is not separate stages either, though. It's just like Mario 64. It's hub worlds.

[00:16:00] Sorry, but it feels to me it has less repetition to me when we pandering right? Are we pandering now? It's time to pander. It could be. Not only that, but I'm going to bring up. I'm going to bring up that Mario 64 as much as I love the game.

[00:16:18] It is a bad platformer. It is a bad platformer. Betrayed. And the camera controls. The camera controls are awful. Like all the camera controls on the 64 are awful. Don't don't just live in there. I disagree. I disagree. You're better than banjo.

[00:16:37] It's earlier you are at least behind the. Sorry, I mean to interrupt you, Dave. No, no, it's fine. The earlier you are in the console, it is more than likely going to be worse like it. But that camera is always the final boss.

[00:16:49] We know that it honestly in most games it is. You're not wrong, but I wouldn't say they're all bad. I wouldn't say they're all bad. And I would say that the banjo-kazooie one at least doesn't get stuck on a bunch of walls.

[00:17:00] It's not struggling to get around corners, which happens with later games as well, but it does not happen with that franchise. The camera is a character and an operative of Bowser. I know. That's all. Yeah. That's the idea. It's difficult. It's the most difficult thing.

[00:17:17] Don't justify a bad camera. Just because it has a logo in the top corner doesn't mean it's okay. No, no, no, no. Okay. No, listen, here's my enemy. You can never kill somebody who had like a scar on their chest from having like open heart surgery.

[00:17:33] And they think they have some, um, uh, you know, hangups about the way it looks. So they get a tattoo to look like it's a, you know, something else, but they integrate the scar into the end of the tattoo.

[00:17:45] That's what the lack of two being an operative for Bowser was. They're like, okay, we, you know, we're not thrilled about this. Even though there's nothing wrong with it, let's make it into a positive and that's, that's what they did. Charming. Charming using Jake's word. Okay. Okay.

[00:18:03] It's not a tie. Come on. Wait a minute. Well, hold on sister. I gotta give his vote. Just confirm sister. Your vote is banjo. So in, you know, after talking up banjo, it's 64. I'm just kidding. It's banjo. Wow. Trail. Curse ultimate betrayal.

[00:18:26] But inevitably I have 100% in both of these games. Very nice. One of them I've done three times and one of them I've done once and that's because one of them I didn't enjoy nearly as much as the other one. Mario 64 is my vote.

[00:18:42] I've gone through it three damn times over the years. Pull out the envelope. Pull out the envelope. Pull that shit out. Banjo has. Pull out the envelope. I don't know. I remember the character designs were not great in my mind.

[00:18:58] I remember like the texturing was bad even for N64. There was a lot of like stupidly repetitive obnoxious jumps. And I know Mario 64 had some of those, but it didn't seem like it had him as much.

[00:19:16] The fact that I can barrel through Mario 64 in a couple of days and banjo, I never went back after doing it once. Now also. Also, let you turn into a washing machine. Oh, goody. My favorite part of the day.

[00:19:33] I'm just thinking to myself how much I want to be a washing machine. I already do laundry daily. At least it's a personality. It's a personality. Like it's just it honestly. It's just metal Mario can move. Okay. That's nice. Mario can move.

[00:19:51] Metal Mario needs to be in smash and that's it. That's where he belongs. He's an amiibo. You're the only thing banjo has going for it is the composer, the sound designer. Yeah, the music. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Yeah, it's. Yeah.

[00:20:07] And he still, he got pushed back from Nintendo because of his, like there's a point where something opens and you hear, thank you. And Nintendo felt it sounded too much like fuck you and they had him redo it and he only redid it a little.

[00:20:23] So if you're not listening, it still could sound like you but this says thunk me. Wolf, by the way, for anybody who's listening with somebody please come up with a logo that says Marvel versus Comcast. For Wolf, I think that would be.

[00:20:38] And Wolf, thank you very much for popping back in for this. You saved the day and I disappeared when GP was talking about Goldeneye and. Oh, you've been home for a minute then. Yeah. And I come back after I guess everybody has inputted their perspectives. So yeah.

[00:20:58] Now we have a tie. All right. So we have a tie. We have one envelope or we go to Medicare. We're going to leave a lot. I think envelope. I think I don't have one. I know, but I think with these two games they are, I mean, the

[00:21:14] other ones on our list are going to be obviously major titles as well, but there's something about these two that might warrant that one envelope. You know, I don't know. I feel like these. Okay. The King, the Kings of platformers on the. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:21:29] Just fucking rip the cord. Let's go. Are you going to leave once it opens? You're like, God, that's it. That's all I need it. He might. He might. You never know. I'll just. I do that. Oh, I'll see a little finger. Yeah, there it is. Nice.

[00:21:47] I need to give my full two weeks or do I house this work? You get, you can put in your two weeks, but you only get to work a day. There any sort of severance? All right. Mystery game envelope that we can bear to these two is

[00:22:00] to rock. I miss the game. Banjo-Gazooie or to rock. I'm going to put in my vote real quick because I had a hiccup and I even saw my little screen show the Wi-Fi logo Mario 64 fuck to rock. Okay. I'm terrible and it makes me sick. Yeah. Why?

[00:22:24] Why you put that in the envelope? I don't know. I was being stuck. Mario mystery game. I was being flippant when I said Mega Man 64, but I would have considered that more than to rock. So no, please. No. Am I picking to rock? Anybody?

[00:22:41] No, truck was a absolute kick to rock. I don't, I don't think I would, I would pick honestly I don't think I'd pick anything over Banjo-Gazooie. So John, John, John, John, John, you know, Bill, Bill to rock. All right.

[00:22:56] I thought it was all the mystery game holds no swear than it's to Metacritic. So let's pull it up. Okay. Mario 64. Actually, this could be tight. I don't know. Maybe I should have made for us. I'm actually eclimactic. Let's just say I went, I already went and checked

[00:23:08] the scores and that's why I picked the envelope. We're going to lose on a technicality. Spirit of the Olympic Committee chart. Guys, tell you, I didn't get paid enough guys. Okay. Mario 64 on Metacritic 85. Metacritic is a bunch of hacks.

[00:23:27] Let's go to another website that I can talk about. Banjo-Gazooie. Where's my man wolf? Banjo-Gazooie for Nintendo 64. Don't smile at that. For Metacritic. Don't smile at that. It's 92. 92. 92. 92. I didn't expect that. I thought it was 64. They're a bunch of hacks. That's fine.

[00:23:44] It's got the entire game's press from 1990s. No, that's great. It's great. Mario 64 consistently, consistently in the top two or three of a lot of lists guaranteed. And now it's out. Lost Banjo-Gazooie. Not even the second one. Banjo-Gazooie maybe. We agreed to go to Metacritic.

[00:24:02] We did at the beginning. Yeah, that was the tiebreaker. Look, do you want to change your vote to Tarak? I mean, that's still on the table. You want to do Tarak? Is that what you wanted to do? Tarak a better game? John Tarak?

[00:24:13] If you throw yourself on the Tarak grenade, I will join you. And we can have a three-way tie. You know what? I'm going with GP. I'll vote for Tarak. No, don't do that. Sister says real quick, Jake. Click on that score and filter by system. Oh. Oh. Oh.

[00:24:32] Oh. That's good. I like it. I like it. It's just coming in clutch. Let me see. My wife. You all platform. Oh, no. Oh, no. The person in the chair. Shit. This is my neighbor. He is. I love you. Metacritic so much. You know what? I'm 64.

[00:24:52] Metacritic and their knowledgeable staff. They're all hacks. You just call them all hacks. Like five seconds ago. Class. Class. Class. Class. Class. Class. Class. Class. Class. Class. Class. Class. Class. Class. Class. Class. Class. Class. Chapter 2. Convenience comes we need to have months on it. You know you comment,

[00:25:26] I'd rather die because if W dawn goes down, that's a heart-shielding. No, no. And fire. No, no. I hear the reverberation from an invi there. What were, that's maybe Math guru I thinkやりさん's super 해서. Everyone knows what is something that happens with

[00:25:42] fair. Yeah, unfortunately. God damn it. Wow. I loved that it was close and I loved that the first bracket took 45 minutes. Yeah, I know. So wait, so wait, this is kind of cool. They have metacritic just assumes it gets the lowest score of all the platforms.

[00:25:59] That's what they show you. That's kind of harsh. Yeah, I want to point this out. Maybe it's aggregated. I don't know. We lost Wolf 64 losing. This is a Super Bowl, by the way. This was Chiefs versus Niners. We were just down. Look at this. This is for more.

[00:26:16] I don't know what the game was. That game was back. Taylor Swift wins. Yeah, by the way, Kansas, which I understand the Chiefs are technically Missouri, but anyway, Chiefs are the local. All right. Doesn't matter. We're going to move ahead because we have to go back.

[00:26:29] Let me celebrate. Let me language. I'm kidding. I'm not a case forever. Let let him do it now because it's probably just going to lose next time. So it's OK. Let's get that bracket. Let's do it. Second bracket. Paper Mario versus Super Smash Brothers.

[00:26:51] Oh, so one is like a beloved RPG that people love and had a bunch of spin offs. And the other one is like a game again, much like Mario 64. Smash Brothers defined the platform fighting genre.

[00:27:03] It's a genre and like many people have tried making games that mimic Smash Brothers. They'd never nailed it. It's never been successful as this as Nintendo's franchise. It's the game that's sitting in my Nintendo 64 right there is super special for the audio listeners.

[00:27:18] And this is pointing at a shelf. That's a bingo shelf. I had a bingo. I'm happy to go first because my I have a very recent reason as to why I have my pick here. I've played both of these games within the last six months.

[00:27:34] Smash, I think it's one of those ones that has been revisited by a lot of people for a lot of reasons. Smash remix, by the way, if anyone has a chance to play that, it's amazing. It's awesome. Just an episode on that too.

[00:27:44] But but but I never played Paper Mario until last year ever. Never even really touched it. I think maybe I would have rented it as a kid, but RPGs, that style of game, just not my thing around that time. So I knew it was good.

[00:28:01] I knew the the sequels were beloved, all that stuff. I was like, all right, I'm excited. I'll jump in. It's on Switch Online even better. Easiest way to play it. You know, I can just put the system to sleep, pick it up whenever.

[00:28:12] I didn't put that game down for two weeks. It was the only thing I played for two weeks straight. And 2023, as we know, as far as game releases go, never mind the industry, but game releases was incredible.

[00:28:24] Like start to finish January 1st all the way to December 3rd. Just there's no way you could not go a week without finding a fantastic game that was released. Paper Mario is a top five game of last year for me. It is that good. It's a fantastic game.

[00:28:40] Yeah, it is so much fun. It is I think a little too long. I think like there's some stages that are just a little right? Like there's some stages is one in particular that don't think they

[00:28:52] executed very well, but the rest of the game, if you talk about personality and gameplay, music, art design, all the stuff that I said, I love about Banjo-Kazooie. This game has it and just does it incredibly well from start.

[00:29:05] I love this game. Paper Mario is now after playing it. Yeah, I played as an adult, not as a kid, but one of my favorite games on the console now. It's amazing. I'm going next because I do not want to be a tiebreaker. Stress.

[00:29:19] Yeah, no, I do not. I do not. And I'm just going to simply say it. Mine's going to be sure sweet and to the point to me. I love Smash Brothers. It's like I said, it is the cartridge sitting in that, you know, my display piece.

[00:29:32] Right? You can't choose the game that comes in the 64 you buy at somebody's garage sale. That's fair. That's why I'm going Paper Mario. Now, honestly, Paper Mario, I loved that series up until the latest one. I have I have loved all of them. And origami.

[00:29:53] Yeah, I never origami. I've I've actually never played it, so but I've watched it. I've watched it played through. And to me, it doesn't feel like it has the spirit of Paper Mario to me. Oh, no, it's so good. I like the bosses is a three hole punch.

[00:30:08] It's it's a trash game. It's not good at all. It's hilarious. And I look at the battle. I look at the battle system. I know this is not the game we're talking about, but I look at the battle

[00:30:17] system and honestly, to me, that's frustrating because the battle system in Paper Mario, I mean, obviously it, you know, it stemmed off of. I mean, it's that whole, you know, JRPG ish, but you actually get to press

[00:30:32] a button, you know, to defend or attack in the middle of the process. But it's I don't know. It touches all of the touches me in all those good places. So yeah. But OK, I got to I got to empty for one brief second there,

[00:30:50] since I started magic thing. Yeah, the combat, the interactive combat, we got to push a button. It's really great. It's dynamic. It's exciting. It's interesting. It's not just the menu system. There's a game that was like that before you because I know where this place is going.

[00:31:03] Not there yet. And I'm you know what? You're right. I have never I have never I have never had to do. Bullshit 3D platforming in a Paper Mario game. I imagine you have a stuck in there and the music

[00:31:17] and the music is more than three bars eight billion times in a row. To me, Mario Mario RPG on the SNES is far better than Paper Mario. I don't like Paper Mario at all. I think it was done better on the Super Nintendo.

[00:31:31] I think Square had the magic then. And when Square didn't do Paper Mario, I think that was the detriment of Paper Mario. I think it's crap. Smash Brothers is the genre defining it made a genre. How many how many games make its own genre? And that's Smash Brothers.

[00:31:45] My vote is Smash Brothers. OK, that's great. Do you want me to go first? You period, please, please. I'm still struggling with my decision here. Really? Wow. OK. Well, mine's easy because everybody knows that I am a pretty authentic

[00:31:59] RPG player through most of my streaming career and and and lifetime. So Smash is cool. It was good for a good drunken play through every now and then. But Paper Mario is is charming as fuck. It doesn't it doesn't quite reach that earthbound level of charm

[00:32:15] or that banjo kazoo charm. But it definitely has that charm. Maybe to a medical right. But 92 percent charm. Now, it's got it's it's got a really cool aspect. I really like that they took of a 2D game, put it on a 3D machine and still made it 2D.

[00:32:34] They still had the same aspect where the characters would turn and they were flat when they walked around. I love that whole experience. Thousand Year Doors, my favorite in the series. I love I love the interactive fighting. It was one thing I did like about Mario RPG.

[00:32:48] I didn't like anything else about it. But the stuff that they took from Mario RPG to make Paper Mario was all this stuff I liked about it. So I just have to go with I have to go with Paper Mario. I think it's charming as hell.

[00:33:00] I think it's got a great story. And I think it's got a really cool, really cool feel to the whole game. So but if you're going to throw an RPG at me, you know, I'm going to get most most plain and simple. I love Smash Brothers.

[00:33:12] I do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. OK, the GP sounds like no matter what I say, Paper Mario is one. Is that about it? And let's both manage the hop back. I'll see you again. OK, I'm going to stall for a while. Superman in.

[00:33:28] So guys, that's how this episode is. We're going to get everything decided. Hey, you guys, then Wolf's going to fly into a Paper Mario tournament. It's nuts. No, they don't exist. No, so that's that's here's my thing.

[00:33:46] I was always aware of Paper Mario, but I always knew it to be like the the first Paper Mario was Mario RPG to that we never got. I love the idea like you guys were saying that they said, we have this awesome new technology with 3D platforming.

[00:34:01] Let's sell them back on 2D and we loved it. We ate it up and it was good. But I kind of after I fell off before finishing Paper Mario. I in my life had played much more Smash Brothers,

[00:34:13] which continually gets better and better and better in my estimation. That's that's what I like. But then my son, who's currently eight years old, started playing origami when it first came out, which put him, I think, at five or six at the time.

[00:34:25] And that's really where he learned how to read good. And I remember those days in my youth playing Final Fantasy 4 and learning how to like speed read and, you know, all of that. So I have a lot of good feelings about the Paper Mario series,

[00:34:38] having gone back and played the other ones between the first and most recent entries after watching my son get hooked on them. That said, I have spent so much more time playing Smash. I love competition. I know it's a toxic trait sometimes, but man,

[00:34:54] I've been to so many Smash Brothers contests or I don't even have to be playing. I will just be spectating and loving every second of it. So I'm going to go smash on this one, but still Paper Mario.

[00:35:07] I don't have a lot of bad things to say other than I do agree with Jake. Mario RPG was better. I'll take it, but smash. Yeah. And Wolf just messaged me and he's like, no matter what happens. Yeah, I'm looking at that too. I'm true to you guys.

[00:35:25] Wait, wait, he sent me a message saying he sent me a message saying Turok. Yes, that's the correct answer right there. Like, look, I mean, OK, fine. Mario one. It's Mario one. And that's fine. Go the envelope. There's only one envelope. I'm not going to say again.

[00:35:41] It's my election card. OK, I don't want to keep flashing on the screen. It's got my. It was a better game. Just just say it's in the first. Turok. Oh no. Turok one is so much better than Turok. Oh, that's another.

[00:35:51] Oh, I like to. I hate Turok two. I don't like it at all. But anyway, all right, you're coming on the show. We're going to talk about it. Yeah, we'll talk. I'll talk to rock one and sure. But here's the thing.

[00:36:02] If if we can go for just one second, I'll keep this brief. If we could just get Doc Brown and Marty McFly and there to go back in time and assassinate Paper Mario, we wouldn't have Origami King. And that's not so bad because that was a bad game.

[00:36:18] If you went back in time and assassinated Mario Paper Mario. He's saying he's back. Damn it. He's back. Yes. There's no way to stop. OK, so now we are changing your new nickname is Goku because you come in and everybody else has beat me down

[00:36:35] and you're going to say he's like, hey, G.P. What do you know? We need to we need to have him tell us about the the penalty if it was real or not. Yeah, we're going to you. Was that my friend? Was that a good call?

[00:36:48] Wolf. What's Paper Mario or Smash Brothers? Smash Brothers. God damn it. Wait, are we tied? No, is that way? Yes, we're tied. We're tied. OK, OK, we're tied again. Metacritic. Well, I have bad news because Metacritic I know Paper Mario wins. Yep. OK, yep.

[00:37:10] I already sure did you filter by N64? Yes, they're both just N64. Seventy nine to ninety four. I checked this at the beginning of the seventy nine. Yeah, that's a good soul. Did you filter by Jake? Yeah, if you filter by all. Oh my God. All right.

[00:37:30] Fine. At least I want to at least I lost to Metacritic and not you. To that. I can say real quick. Yes, I'm not going to go. Smash Brothers because Paper Mario is not as good as the Mario RPG formula.

[00:37:45] The Mario Luigi saga beats it out big time. No way. No. I've tried Paper Mario numerous times and I've never gotten into it. Smash Brothers, I spent so so many weeks worth of hours when that game came out with my friends playing the shit out of it.

[00:38:05] I have I have a question. And I'm a RPG guy. Yeah, I have a question. What what? All right. We already know that I already know G.P. has has a brother that he's played games with. I already know Cynestar has had brothers that he's played games with.

[00:38:22] I know werewolf has had brothers that he's played games with. Jake, you've not had brothers that you've played games with, correct? No. OK, so but I have friends. Hold on. I'm not done yet. But I have friends. Not done yet.

[00:38:38] Dave, do you have any siblings that you played Smash Brothers? When it's growing up? Yes, we did not gravitate towards that game, in particular, the two of us. But it is something that we played together. I see. And you played it a lot.

[00:38:51] My sisters are 11 and five years older than me. I did not get a chance to play any games of that character with them. So I played a lot of single player games growing up. That's why I picked Mario. So I see where this whole line up.

[00:39:05] It doesn't matter. It still wins. Do you know what this is? Me still me still winning because paper Mario. What? It's that's the sound of me winning. I apologize. My brother is 10 years younger than me, almost exactly. Well, you like each other more. All right. Yeah.

[00:39:20] Well, must be nice. A great family must be nice. Superstition. My dad is four years old with me. Now we're on the therapy couch. Well, I did not get to drive up those bad fits. Get get it, GP. It's all you, baby. Time for the therapy.

[00:39:35] Cal, OK, what's the next bracket? What's the pay Mario versus Super Smash Brothers paid Mario? Sadly moves forward. Our next bracket, our next bracket. How important, by the way, is the dais? Should we just finish this with the medic? Because so far, medic credit has decided everything.

[00:39:51] Hey, it's better than the fucking hat. OK. Yeah. Next bracket is Star Fox 64 versus F zero. Fuck. Damn, I was out, but I'll open at the end. He again did this on purpose. I'll go first. Random algorithm. Yeah, I might not a Canadian boy in my body

[00:40:12] that would rig this this bracket. Random sick jaker rhythm is more like it. I'm going with Star Fox 64. Star Fox 64 is a phenomenal improvement upon the original. That was released on the Super Nintendo. You get to hear the characters talk.

[00:40:29] I've gushed about Star Fox 64 on numerous episodes in the past, so I'll keep it short. Sweet. I'm going to start with Fox 64. Let's just go ahead and look at my. I will go. I will go. I am going at zero.

[00:40:45] To me, I will play a high speed racing game nine times out of 10. And I'll play Star Fox 64 that night, that one time. And I like them both. I genuinely do. But to me, a racing game holds my interest more and they improved upon the original F zero.

[00:41:07] They have, you know, tunnels. They have actual you can roll on the or you can run on the exterior of a tunnel. So it's a 3D spin or move. It's it's that the boost is better in F zero X than it was on the original. I love it.

[00:41:25] All right. Well, if I need you to go before you drop because I can't take another heart attack if you pop in last minute again. So please, can you go next? OK, this is this is two games I don't much care for. But.

[00:41:43] I've tried Star Fox 64 numerous times. F zero that one time was enough. So Star Fox. Star Fox. OK, we get to the one to the one Star Fox. Don't mean to drop out so I can come back after or. No, please don't. This is my stroke.

[00:42:01] I'm on the line. That's not good. So I'm picking backing on a neighbor's network, their their Xfinity connection. So I should be good for the rest of this because apparently our connection is to our house for whatever reason. So hopefully I shouldn't disconnect. Oh, stealing. He's stealing internet.

[00:42:17] Really? Oh, God. He's stealing it. No, let's read over the ventilation. He's stealing. Both the pirate open Xfinity networks or whatever that you can access if you subscribe. So sounds stable, Dave, do you want to go next? More stable than my home network, apparently.

[00:42:36] Oh, God, I'm going to go with Star Fox 64. I think to me it is one of the best or at least most fun action games on the whole console. I think it's a little bit short. Sometimes you can do some complete runs in like an hour.

[00:42:53] But in the nineties, that was somewhat common. You know, I'm not going to hold that against it. I just I really like the branching paths. I really like the the variety of the stages, the fact that you can play two runs or four runs in a row

[00:43:07] and they can be completely different. Is it a perfect game? No, but none of these are. And honestly, I just had such a great time playing this again last year, too. It just reminded me that that it's one of those games

[00:43:18] that stuck with me and I just the atmosphere of it really, really works for me. It's it's very dark, despite, you know, some of the characters yapping in your ear all the time. That's the only downside to me is that part.

[00:43:30] Yeah, you can hear them, but a little bit less would be nice. F zero. I also replayed last year and has a great sense of speed, especially compared to the original. So it's still a fantastic game, but I got to give it to Star Fox. Wow.

[00:43:46] Dave, have I mentioned it much like you lately, Dave? No, but we can keep going if you want. We can do that. Oh, OK. Yeah, go ahead. I'm trying to ban her. So you guys have given me a lot to think about here,

[00:43:58] because honestly, for a while, this one could have been a coin toss. But we have an anthropomorphized Fox and squad flying amongst the stars in these a wings that can morph into tanks as you're taking down and draws in the Cornarian system and all the stuff.

[00:44:12] And that's great. The Lila system, excuse me. Or you could race through a tunnel, which I hadn't thought about how cool driving. And the outside of a tunnel, you can also adjacent to all the prepositions. Space is cool, but have you tried tunnel?

[00:44:30] I love you with all my heart, sin of star, but yeah, no, I Star Fox on this one for me. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, that's fine. I'm going to say I'm going to say that's sort of find out if there

[00:44:41] yeah, and medic rake doesn't need to get involved in this this fight. I will say that there's a sense of speed to the N64 F zero. That is I do appreciate. But I think the better F zero games are the SNES one or the GameCube one.

[00:44:53] I think the N64 one is kind of bland looking. And I don't really I don't really dig it as much. I think there's a Nintendo. Was it the N64 DD thing that was in the in Japan only? I think that one has a track editor and additional tracks.

[00:45:06] That, I think might be considered a better version of the game. But that's not what we're talking about today. Star Fox 64 to me. I like the characters. I love the controls. It came with a rumble pack. And that's probably the only game where it's actually felt

[00:45:18] like it was really great with Star Fox. The music was banger and it just it was a short. Yeah, but I do like the multiple pathways. I play that game to death. I got the medals on every single stage. I found all the secrets plus multiplayer was fun.

[00:45:32] I think Star Fox 64 is definitely the better game. Not not to knock F zero too much. Like it did technically amazing stuff in the N64. Like that was a 60 frame per second game if I'm not wrong. Right. Like it was a nice, nice speed and frame rate,

[00:45:45] which was hard to do on that kind of console. So but it's for me at Star Fox as well. I'm sorry, I'm hung up on GPS. Sex is cool and all, but have you tried driving through a tunnel? Wait, isn't that the same thing?

[00:46:00] It's new tunnel racing technology. We're sorry, YouTube. Hopefully you don't listen as far in the episode. All right, the final bracket for the preliminary 48 minutes. Wait, I want to point out when I was gone for the second bracket,

[00:46:18] that discussion must have been heated because Dave took off his hoodie. Yeah. Yeah. You'll hang up. Wolf, you'll have to you'll have to watch the episode. Yeah. Don't talk about it. Joe Kazooie and smash that subscribe button. Drop some clothes. Yeah, please. He's a scrapper. All right.

[00:46:37] The last bracket of preliminary brackets, Zelda or Karina of Time versus GoldenEye. These are kind of different games. This is a tough one, but one is GoldenEye and one has a goal in Triforce. I guess maybe that's why the algorithm lumped them together.

[00:46:53] I wouldn't know who could say how would you? How could you possibly know? How could you? Yeah, it's it's randomized machine algorithm and then I'm going first. I'm going first. I'm going first. I'm calling it. OK.

[00:47:06] I am going to go with and you're all going to hate me, I'm sure. But I'm going to go with GoldenEye. They can never hate you, Senator. And the and the and the the reason is more than you do already. Yeah. More. Yeah.

[00:47:21] I mean, when you think you think that low bar is low, right? The reason why honestly, I never played the single player campaign for GoldenEye ever, like never. And I played through Ocarina of Time. I love Ocarina of Time.

[00:47:35] It's it's my it's my favorite and 64 Zelda better than Majora's Mask, for sure. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's hard to be. But having never played the single player those banjo gold night, I have probably three hundred hours with my friends. But no doing you're telling me

[00:47:57] you're voting on the game you didn't even play. I'm voting I'm voting on the multiplayer aspect of GoldenEye being it's hard to be worth the replay ability. Like you pick you pick the most insane thing, like you want slappers only or whatever.

[00:48:15] Right? I mean, yeah, like you pick something and you're like, let's do whatever. Or you play a game where you're doing only proximity minds or whatever. Right. I mean, it's the replay ability is I I I played until six o'clock in the morning and passed out

[00:48:31] right with my friends doing doing these split screen games. Replay ability, GoldenEye, Ocarina of Time fantastic game. Gold night. I go next. I'm going to go last you guys. Yeah, I want to save the last one. Sure. I'm going to jump in if I may. GoldenEye for the 64.

[00:48:53] Top tier amazing game. Honest to God, I thought this was probably going to be one and two. Like to me, these are the two games for the for the entire system. GoldenEye, definitely the best bond game out there for the entire,

[00:49:10] you know, one of the best movie adaptations outside of Disney Capcom. You know what I mean? And considering GoldenEye came out in 96 or 97, but I think 96 wildly impressive, still relevant today, even though if you're playing on the switch, you've got to, you know, reconfigure and remap some buttons,

[00:49:29] all that kind of stuff. The, you know, I love game codes, all of that stuff. So all the love in the world to GoldenEye. But Ocarina of Time is one of, in my opinion, one of the best games ever made to me, the best game on the system.

[00:49:47] I have some stories like I remember playing Ocarina for the first time. I was very, very sick. If it was an RPG type, but it wasn't Final Fantasy, I didn't like it. I was sick and I was very sick.

[00:50:00] And I was holed up at home in bed playing through Ocarina just in the few minutes a day that I was conscious, conscious. And I remember beating that game and thinking, thank God I was sick because otherwise I probably wouldn't have played this game.

[00:50:14] And do you have any idea how massive of a thought that is? I'm sorry, but Ocarina all the way. And I don't even know what other games you could have put in this bracket to beat Ocarina, but there's not many. GP, that's my story with Halo.

[00:50:28] I got food poisoning. I got food poisoning and like I had an Xbox, I had Halo. I had no desire to play it. And I'm sitting at home sick as a dog, puking into a bucket. And I spun it up and I played that thing front or back.

[00:50:43] Anyway. And that moment where you're like, thank God I didn't die because I wanted to see how this game ends now I can go. And here's the thing. I appreciate your story about multiplayer and staying up with your your friends until six.

[00:50:55] I don't know if you know my friends, but they're Gibranis. And I didn't need them to stay awake till six, 15 playing Ocarina. So check and meet my friend. And I love you. And I'm sorry we're not agreeing on anything today, Senator Starr.

[00:51:07] I'll buy you a pizza and we'll make up. But thank you for my overly long. Well, yes, you said we'll make out. I mean, wow. Jake, stop having such polarizing opinions. Yeah. All right, I'll go next. GoldenEye is like the multiplayer game, right?

[00:51:28] That's that's what defined having fun with your friends and video games to me was that if you weren't playing online in Quake back in the day, that's what you got. That was the taste of multiplayer that you got. GoldenEye is fantastic.

[00:51:40] The single player campaign, I think you're right, GP. I think it's the best movie adaptation for a game. It's definitely the top five ever. Just the way they adapted the movie to the video game was done really well. Technically, it was pretty good.

[00:51:52] I mean, it's done 64 what you want. But music was with Stellar who hasn't grooved to the pause music in GoldenEye. Like fricking nobody. Like it's amazing. It's a jam. But that said, every time I hear a Bond movie start.

[00:52:07] And then I think of GoldenEye, the video game anyway. It'll bring you back. But I'm telling you, ArcGrain at Time, it's like the Zelda game for me. Like as much as I love, you know, Link to the Past and the SNES

[00:52:22] and some of the modern Zelda games, right? The sense of wonder, the wide open world you get with ArcGrain at Time. Just the secrets that are everywhere, the boss battles, the music, the characters. That game is just iconic. It's not just best game on the N64.

[00:52:37] That's one of the best Zelda games in the franchise over 30 years. It's a fantastic game. So for me, ArcGrain at Time hands down for sure. That's the one game where I when we talk about remakes on the switch, I wish to go back and remake that.

[00:52:50] I would love to play ArcGrain of Time remade for the Nintendo Switch. I think it's so good. That's my vote. All right, I can go next if you guys want. I think these are definitely if it wasn't Mario 64 or maybe Smash, these are probably other two

[00:53:07] that I would say most people would associate this console with, for sure. That alone tells you that this is a ridiculous decision. But but we you guys have all sort of had mixed stories about playing through these games with friends or single player or multiplayer, whatever.

[00:53:25] For me, I really love Zelda games. I prefer like with Mario games, I prefer the simpler ones or the ones that are not 3D. I like 2D Mario much better than I like 3D ones, even the more modern ones.

[00:53:42] Same thing with Zelda, if like which one is it? Link between worlds one on 3DS, I think. Yes, you can kind of hug the wall and to me, that's my favorite Zelda game.

[00:53:51] I know it's sort of like a mix of like a sort of remake almost of the original and stuff, but I just I like that isometric view. I like that style, the art style, Minish Cap's amazing. Anyways, it's not about Zelda.

[00:54:01] Point is I spent just as much time in single player of GoldenEye than I did in multiplayer. I wore that cartridge out as close as you could possibly get to that thing, not working.

[00:54:12] I'm sure I was right there because I just played it over and over and over. And yes, I did have a brother that I played multiplayer games with. But when that was not available or my friends weren't over, which is, you know, a Tuesday night or something,

[00:54:27] I popped in the single player and I played different difficulties and I did, you know, put in the codes or didn't put in the codes. It did random stupid stuff on every level and tried to blow up the plane before you left.

[00:54:36] And then just let all the enemies come at me and just kept like there's experimentation in that game, too, even in single player. And that's how that game was built. It was meant to be played around with. It was meant to be a representation of the movie,

[00:54:50] but also introduce things that were a little bit more unique and a little bit different from the movie so that you weren't playing the exact same thing. It still feels great. I've again, we're popping all these games up that I've that I replayed within the last 12 to 14 months.

[00:55:05] But I played the original version and the Switch version. Yes, the controls are definitely more modern with Switch and on the Xbox, especially you can do twin sticks. It's just feels like a completely different game, even though it's not. Yeah, but even the original still feels good

[00:55:22] with its somewhat wonky controls. So I'm going to go with GoldenEye on this one. Yeah, it's no wrong answer here, guys. Yeah, it's true. Yeah, 100 percent. Yeah. OK. Wolf. OK, so. This is how we know Jake is stacking this shit

[00:55:44] because these are game of the year for 1998 and 1999, right? I'm not stacking nothing. You guys give me way too much credit, honestly. This is this is too many coincidences. All right. Now, let me regale you guys with some stories. Here we go. Oh, he's got all right. Mike.

[00:56:11] Maybe I should talk a little bit over here. Dave, this is Dave. This has never happened before. This is never happened. This is the first press beef. I have I have played this shit out of both of these games.

[00:56:28] I was so excited to get the N64 Zelda, right? I even I pre-ordered the damn thing. I think it Walmart got the gold cartridge, had the fancy box, all that shit, played the absolute crap out of this when it was new. Now. I think I. I.

[00:56:51] I was so excited when I beat this game. It it did everything that Zelda should do but in 3D, right? Now, let's jump over to Gold Knight. Gold Knight. I have countless hours in this game, both single player and multiplayer. This was not even my game.

[00:57:12] I didn't I didn't have an N64. My brother did. He was four. He got an N64 for Christmas. That's how I played these games. I did not have an N64. So he got Gold Knight, weirdly, as a four year old. And we played through it, right?

[00:57:34] I played I was 14. He was four. We played through Golden Eye together. Now, the the single player, as you said, you know, there's so much experimentation to do. It's kind of like Sonic the Hedgehog 2 and 3 when you put in the debug mode.

[00:57:49] There's so many ways to just screw with it, right? It's a lot of fun, especially the more crap you unlock, the more experimental you can get. It's great. The multiplayer even has extra crap you can unlock. You have to put in house rules.

[00:58:04] Nobody can be odd job because his hitbox is too small, right? There's so many stages. Everybody has a favorite Golden Eye stage if they played Gold and I not everybody has a favorite part of Zelda 64. That's true. I was good. The Water Temple. Everybody hates the Water Temple.

[00:58:23] I didn't hate it. Why are you so hateful? Nobody hated that level. Jake. And you can't go wrong with that. That Gerudo Valley music. Zelda 64 for all intents and purposes is the blueprint for modern Zelda, but. Wind Waker was better.

[00:58:47] Wind Waker was the best 3D in my mind until the switch games. And just I know. But you were so strong the first half of this episode because there's so much to do in the single player. I decided to kneel on the ground.

[00:59:01] Countless hours of fun in the multiplayer. Ocarina of Time is good. Gold and I deserves to move on. Thank you. Thank you. This has been Jeff and that view or something and this has been my chair. This has been his Ted talk. You're saying Wind Waker is better.

[00:59:20] Your Wolf talk. Oh, my God. Jared, I don't know, guys. I don't know. This is a great podcast we had once. Well, I really love that odd job appeared on this on this episode. That was great. That was awesome.

[00:59:36] You know, we usually have other jobs show up during this episode. So it's a screw job. But yeah, OK, over the pants odd job. Sure. Over the pants odd jobs. Figurously odd jobbing. Yeah. So Zelda. Zelda is a great game.

[00:59:59] You're breaking up with me. I know this. That's fine. I'm breaking up with Zelda. It's time that we see other six and 64 games. No, Zelda is a great game. Zelda is what I wanted my 3D link to look like and play like.

[01:00:13] I'm a big fan of time traveling games, as most of you know, I love the concept that they put into games and being able to play as adult link and oh, you know, young link and back and forth in that whole aspect is a really cool thing. Um.

[01:00:31] Golden eye is is also a really fucking great game. My friends came up with wonderful things when you're in a four H high school and when you grab the six shooter and people say cowboy up while you're running around

[01:00:45] and every time you get blasted by the six shooter, somebody goes cowboy up and we fall in the floor laughing. I have tons of memories of playing after high school, coming home and popping in the golden eye game,

[01:00:59] run around and shooting people and having a great time with that. But why doesn't the laser watch actually laser people but can cut through metal? Solely because of that, I'm going Legend of Zelda because the unrealism of having a laser watch cut through metal,

[01:01:19] but not people is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Yes, that's not true. But but having an opportunity to time travel checks out. It totally makes sense. I'll take it. I'll take it. Yeah, these are watches bad. Yes, I look like a watch on Metacritic.

[01:01:35] No, no, no, no, I think I think I love Legend of Zelda. Legend of Zelda is going to win that one for me. It's janky. It's got a broken camera, but the story is fantastic. It's a fun game to play.

[01:01:45] It's got, you know, it was the first 3D Zelda of its kind coming out. And honestly, I also love Wind Waker. I'm with you on that one, Wolf. Thank you. I think Wind Waker is where it stopped.

[01:01:57] But I think Ocarina has a real strong, strong pool for like the epicenter of Zelda as it were, even the length of the past is better. It's just it's a great game. It's a great 3D side shooter, whole fucking nine yards. Got everything. It's got bows and arrows.

[01:02:12] It's got Master Sword. It's got Ganon. It's got difficulty. It's got janky camera. It's got ponies. It's got Epoch or whatever the fuck you call it. And Pona Ranch, Pona Ranch, whatever. Zelda is great. I love Zelda. And unfortunately, you had to match it up with GoldenEye

[01:02:29] because I think GoldenEye would have moved on if it were anywhere else. But unfortunately, this should have been Zelda Zelda Zelda Zelda Zelda. So I got to go. So this is this is a tie. It's tied. Yeah. Is it going to go? It goes down.

[01:02:42] It means I know what that means. But before before everybody shits on me and says I picked the wrong thing, I want to show you just how much I love Zelda. This is my fucking wedding ring. OK. I think the wedding ring has it.

[01:02:57] I think we have to go. There's the inscription in there that says it's dangerous to go alone. Take this. Oh my God. That is the great. Right. Right. Yes. All right. So when we look at Metacritic, those scores. Yeah. It goes because. Because.

[01:03:14] Ocarina of Time has ninety nine on Metacritic ninety nine. Gold. And I was six. Yeah. That's not. I'm not. I think I've lost a single round yet. Let's keep on going. Well, fine. My heart. OK. I don't want to take this anymore. That was you know. It's OK.

[01:03:34] All right. We have two brackets for semi finals. So we have we'll do a loser brackets for third place. So don't worry about that. We'll look at the do. Let's just let's just keep going with this one then. Let's do Zelda Ocarina of Time versus Paper Mario.

[01:03:46] Let's let's pick your winner. OK. Zelda. Well, I've got a lot to say. Is that. All right. And then Mario sixty or is it Zelda across the board? Did did anybody else get to vote? Two votes. OK. Two people say something like OK. Moving on. I'm sorry.

[01:04:05] I'm sorry. You're right. It's a paper Mario. Go for it. You're right. Yeah. Maybe I like Paper Mario more than Zelda. Yes. Shit. I yeah. As much as I as I crushed on Paper Mario, it's got to be Zelda with when it comes between these two.

[01:04:28] I don't love saying that because I just really fell in love with Paper Mario but also can be recency bias as well and and playing it for the first time like the whole you know the fact that it caught me so quickly in one swoop like that.

[01:04:42] I think maybe it's a little unfair to Zelda, but it is everything you guys said. It still is everything you guys said, even though my vote went to Goldman last round. But yeah, I am I'm happy to put to put my name behind Zelda on this

[01:04:56] on this match up. Yeah. Well, and Dave, I'm sure you know this, but this is a safe space. So even if your vote goes against us or something like that, I want you to know it's OK. Well, it's OK if it's not OK to.

[01:05:07] OK, of course you can always have to have you in the winter. So I'm just saying for for once for one. Hey, people on the loser's circle get drinks too. OK, it's fine. Yes. So, Chad, did you did you vote? Chad?

[01:05:21] I don't even know why we're talking about this. It's all the OK. That's a unanimous decision. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Yeah. So the next one. Why drag it all? Zelda. I mean, if Paper Mario is not a bad game, but like,

[01:05:33] I mean, it made it this far. None of these are bad games. Not well. I don't know. Some of them. That's zero maybe. But Jake just doesn't like anything that's not Serks Charlie. So yeah, that's true. All right. Murrow 64 versus Star Fox 64. That's more that's a harder discussion.

[01:05:50] I'm happy to go. I'm happy to go first on this one if you guys want. Go. Go let him tear into it. He's out there right into it. It is Star Fox for me on these two. Damn it, Dave.

[01:06:00] Yeah, Star Fox is just it's just so it's just so much fun, man. I just Mario is great. But I I just have more continual fun every time I I I could go. I think the last time I picked up Star Fox,

[01:06:15] I think I went seven or eight years between playing it, which for me kind of feels like a long time. I don't know why it just was. And the second that first stage comes in and all the ships come in and they swoop in the music's gone.

[01:06:29] They're all checking in. I'm just like, fuck, yeah, I'm in like, I am. Fuck. So cinematic. It is so perfect. And that's just before you even start controlling the game. And I don't think I get that visceral feeling playing Mario 64

[01:06:45] maybe because it's just a Mario game and that's not what they're going for. That could be it. I don't know. But I get that feeling multiple times playing through Star Fox and especially at the beginning, which is one, the simplest stage, the one that I've memorized

[01:06:58] from start to finish and how to get all the rings and do everything properly and blah, blah and all that kind of stuff. But there's something about how it all comes together in Star Fox that always works for me no matter when I pick it up.

[01:07:09] And that's why it gets gets my vote. Yeah. I'm going to stick with with Ocarina, but I will say this because this is a very interesting point Dave made. We've had conversations before where we love a game so much

[01:07:24] where it's like, man, I kind of wish I could just get bonked on the head and forget this one game so I could go back and play it again. I'm that way with Ocarina. I refuse to play it more than once a year

[01:07:35] because I don't want to have it down pat like there. It's what else is like to be we're on. We're not Marius. Marius, you get on the head. Sorry, I thought we were doing Star Fox and Star Fox. No, but you said Marius. Forgive me for me.

[01:07:50] Marius 64 versus Star Fox 64. OK, I was getting bonked on the head. And then I apologize. I got off the wrong. And here's why I was just good. I was just going to let him I was just going to let him roll. I was just going to roll.

[01:08:02] Right. I will never let this down. And our game of the year is now every episode. No, no, no. Sorry, I thought we were doing everything against Zelda right now and I apologize. I'm having feelings for Zelda. Come back to me.

[01:08:15] I'm I'm too messed up on this one. Sorry. Yeah, Turok. Don't make a bullet envelope. I will go last on this one because I she's better. Oh, I'll go. It's Star Fox. A Star Fox, you know, to quote him and him, Palms are sweaty, hearts racing, Mom's spaghetti.

[01:08:34] It's cool when you come flying in, you're like hot. Ready to go. It's all action, right? He said he said that. Mom's spaghetti. You ever vomit on your shirt playing Star Fox 64? You haven't fucking lived, sir. I'll tell you what, it is spectacular. I love Star Fox 64.

[01:08:51] It's you know, yeah. Yeah, it's it's it's superior than Mario 64. Six fours Mario 64 is a great game, but Star Fox has all those niches that need to be itched. And again, there's multiple directions you could go in. There's different paths you can do.

[01:09:07] You do the, you know, you're not only on the flyer, you got the tank and stuff. It's got some really cool aspects to it that change the game up. It's got the, you know, the 360 arena that you do when you're

[01:09:17] when you're bombing the stuff and fighting off the polarizing versions of your of your characters are flying around. And you get to shoot slippy down. So there ain't nothing wrong with that. Everybody likes to shoot the frog. He deserves it. Peter Gabriel once said, kiss the frog.

[01:09:33] I say shoot the frog and Mario. I'm a monkey for as a loser and shock the monkey. You said that too. You like all my references? Pretty sick. Wolf or or or Jake. I'll go. OK, good. I was a fantastic remake of Star Fox for the Super NES.

[01:09:58] But it was a remake. Mario 64 was a brand new game. Also, Star Fox 64. For those of you who love it, that's great. It pisses me off. I hate that game. Why? It's a great game. Controls great. Well, because you have a plushie. Come on.

[01:10:18] Yes, he's our props guy. He is a prop. I also have the soundtrack to Mario 64, but not Star Fox 64. I mean, who can who can do I just a face stretching mini game in the middle of each level or the start up of the game?

[01:10:33] Is right. I'm sorry. But Star Fox 64 gets intensely frustrating. If that's not your type of game. And it's it feels very samey to Star Fox for the SNES, in my opinion. It doesn't feel a lot different. It's the same game, but with voice acting and obnoxious characters, right?

[01:11:03] No, boy, they added Rob. What's what do you got against? And then. Good God, no, not not not not the Rob from any as they named it Rob, but it's a whole different Rob. It's basically like John. It's basically Rodriguez. John Rob of Star Fox.

[01:11:23] I don't see the problem here. He's right on Rob. It's not the matchbook 25 singer. No, I got to go. I got to go Mario 64 on this one. Star Fox is fresh box 64. All right, I will go next then. So what are we at two for Star Fox?

[01:11:38] One for Mario 64, right? That's right. That's right. All right, I'm going to make mine short and sweet. My decision is based on which one would I rather play today? And that is Mario 64. I would rather spin it up. I spun up. Star Fox are you on my last?

[01:12:00] I spun up Star Fox 64 on my last one. Friend, I spun it up on my last. He's after this. I spun it up on my last dream and I was like, eh. Yeah, that's you know, I'll be nice. Keep going. I'm not going to say anything.

[01:12:16] It sounds like a you problem. I don't know. I mean, well, I mean, we're talking. Whenever a sinister pops up into my screen, I go, eh. Wow. Wow. Wait, am I a cartridge that you put in? You are a cartridge that put in a cartridge to be blown

[01:12:33] whenever someone was going to say it. You can't have a GP in the same room. OK, OK. All right. Sixty four Mario 64. OK, so we're doing to GP. You want your last one? Are you going to go? Since I should better, I'll go now,

[01:12:53] but I'll just say a few quick words. Climbing up on Salisbury Hill, I could see those city lights. And anyway, no, Mario 64. But for me, it's a comfort thing. It's a comfort game. So many good memories from that one. That one will play through anytime.

[01:13:10] 100 percent speed running out of care. I love that one. Star Fox 64 is great, much more action packed, I will say. And I get the cinematic opening. But yeah, for me, it's Mario 64. I understand if that one loses, but for me, that's where it's at. Thank you.

[01:13:27] Thank you, Jesus. So when I first got when I first got my Nintendo 64, my father promised he would get it for me for Christmas. And he never did. He fell through. I got the gift of several hundred dollars to buy it

[01:13:42] when I could get a cop to get my own 64. That's what he did to me. It's OK. It's OK. It's therapy session for some other time. It's fine. How do they boxing day? Boxing is awful. Boxing day. I was at my friend's place. OK, that's right. Boxing day.

[01:13:58] Dave does. Oh yeah. Who did get one for Christmas, right? And you're there. You did actually, yes. While I was playing while I was playing games over there, my mom calls his house because it's before cell phones, right?

[01:14:11] It says, hey, I just saw that XYZ store over in Scarborough. They have a copy of they have Nintendo 64 in stock. They got like two left. If you go real fast, you can probably get one. So I motor home, grab hundreds of dollars

[01:14:29] as the nineties, you know, hop on a bus because that's safe with hundreds of dollars in the kids' hands to the mall. Toronto Transit Commission. Totally not something I would do with my kids these days. I wouldn't do that myself with five friends.

[01:14:44] It's more like a mall, if you know where that is, Dave. It's I picture a young Jake with like the money with like where it's like his hands. I have one. And he just run them. He goes into the store. I have this much.

[01:15:00] You say this many monies. What can I get for the monies? Yeah, you say that I have light in Lune's. Yeah, I was boxing day and also a good two feet of snow on the ground. Hell, yeah. So it was wet snow. What's that?

[01:15:14] It's about snow soaking wet. It's not really. It was like six, six, 30 at night, which up here is pitch black. So in the dark, in the snow, bad part of town, hundred dollars on my person as a kid, I walk in store and buying in 64 somehow.

[01:15:28] I don't get robbed on the way home. The first game I owned and the first man played on that system was Mario 64. And that was like that was something to say as much as I like Banjo before, it was Mario.

[01:15:39] How can you not love Mario as your first game? That will always stand out to me. But that whole buying the 64, bringing it home that in the snow, no less the whole story. I love Mario 64. Can I tell you when I compare that to Star Fox 64

[01:15:55] and what game would I rather play today? Hands down, Star Fox 64. I like the characters. I like the voices. I love the music. You said, well, if you said music and Mario 64, the soundtrack, what soundtrack? When we look at Mario games. My name is Kyle.

[01:16:12] My name is Kyle. He would say I don't find it memorable at all. I don't like Mario 64 soundtrack. I can't even remember a tune like now you sing it. OK, fine. But when I think of Star Fox, the intro. You know how often I sing that damn song?

[01:16:26] It's at least weekly. The Mario 64 is done to me. You got to listen to music, man. You got to like Mario music, but that game is forgettable. Right? I like the soundtrack. It's not as iconic, I would say. Yeah, I agree.

[01:16:40] The reason the reason I want to call BS, Jake, is not because you voted for a game I didn't vote for, which I will be remembering this. But when you said you were shopping at X, Y, Z and not X, Y, Z, that put up some flags.

[01:16:54] Oh, no, I didn't realize. I spent a lot of time with you guys. You rub it off of me that you're getting out of my pain. Accent, I've never once rubbed off on you. Well, wait, wait, wait. You're blowing into sinister. I get it. I know.

[01:17:08] Off the rails. All right. Well, let me just say that Star Fox 64. Let me just say I can't stand Star Fox and SNES. I've tried it. I've tried to like it. I can't get through that first level. It's slow frame rate. The graphics don't do anything for me.

[01:17:25] The soundtrack is good. I give it that, but it controls like shit and I don't like it at all. Star Fox 64 is where that franchise begins to me and I love that game. It's down and played now in an hour. And I appreciate that's an hour. Yeah.

[01:17:38] If we ever got Armada, I that, you know, if you don't know about Star Fox or I'm out of watch a document on it. But anyway, all right. So what are we at? A critic then our fox begins. It is. And it begins on in 64

[01:17:52] and it begins on Wii U because it's all the same damn game. I didn't play the Wii U one. I played the N64 one and that like even Nintendo, Nintendo still was like, yeah, we didn't get this one right. We need to revisit it on the Wii U.

[01:18:09] Yeah. But how many Mario games are just the same damn story again and again? How many times does Mary have to go save Peach from Bowser every game? Every game. Not the same game. Not in. Yeah. But that's that's to be expected.

[01:18:22] Mario Fox was like, yeah, let's make a sequel. OK, now let's remake the original. OK, let's make another sequel. You know what? We didn't get the original right. Let's do it again. Like perfect. It's the same. We're going to reboot for one franchise.

[01:18:38] There's like seven games in the franchise. Beautiful. It's beautiful game. Andross must be agree with you more. Yeah. Call me Canadian. Is it tight up? It's tied up. I don't even want to critic is not going to be is not going to be nice.

[01:18:52] I'm going to tell you right now. Metacritic says Mario 64 wins. Sure, yeah, really? Yeah, I wouldn't have. Our Fox has an 80 hacks all of them. Every journalist from the 90s. And they're all fucking hacks. Hey, they don't know what they're talking about. Play a game. All right, guys.

[01:19:09] You're almost done real quick. Have you guys all seen 8-bit Christmas? Because Jake's story felt a lot like that. But with it is. Yeah, which is which is more plausible with him having several hundred dollars on his person and not getting robbed or like

[01:19:24] bear hugging the console box of the sixty four on the way home on the. I have I don't have a large child, G.P. Fuck you. OK. I don't have the exact same story. Yeah, I don't have the exact same stories him,

[01:19:39] but I did go to the store with several hundred dollars and Jake will understand this of Canadian Tire Money in the 90s to get my super Nintendo. Well, they must have hated you. It was two hundred and fifty dollars of the largest

[01:19:54] denomination they had of that bill was one dollar. So that's how many bills I had on me. Yes, a sack full of bills. Yeah, as like you were you were the kid with I was that. Yeah. But with how many bills I had on my head?

[01:20:08] I don't know. Two hundred forty. With money, guys. Well, wait, oh my gosh. But not all the whole continent. You were you were running you were running kilometer after kilometer. Full of buckets, penny full of quids. So in the really cold Celsius with the quids.

[01:20:26] Yeah, it's not a lot of people. We measure things up here. OK, he ran several hours to the store. Four toonies. I was able to get out how far I had to run with my dollars because that measurement was easy to figure out because it actually made sense.

[01:20:41] So all right, all right, guys, we're almost done. What's the shit? Yeah, so there are 64 in Zelda or one and two will figure out that in a minute. But the bracket, the third place bracket, we got Star Fox 64 and Paper Mario. Wait, what?

[01:20:59] I want to know how Dave's going to handle this. Yeah, damn me. It's like, wait, nice. Did Star Fox not get bumped? I thought it lost tomorrow 64 because of the medic critic. Yeah, so this is the record. One and two. It's a loser bracket.

[01:21:14] It's a loser bracket because we did eight this time instead of the because we usually do like 10 or 12 something ridiculous. Yeah, so Paper Mario is great, but Ocarina, let me tell you more about that. But that's that's one and two. That's that's later.

[01:21:26] Let's go with the loser bracket. Star Fox or Paper Mario, please. Star Fox. I'm with Star Fox. Star Fox. Sure, I don't know. I do mean you don't know. OK, this is so. Yeah, so when you said like, oh, I'm interested in how Dave's going to handle this.

[01:21:46] I didn't know but but but when I thought quickly to myself, my my gut reaction was Star Fox. But I do think that is, you know, the nostalgia is what's making that happen. But I think that's OK. That's all part of the vote as well.

[01:22:02] Let the nostalgia wash over you. It's OK. Yeah. And it's and it's totally fine. I like the way it rain down on you. It's gentle. It's warm when it needs to be. It's cold when it needs to be sticky. Just keep going. Yeah, it's OK.

[01:22:13] It's all mostly things are here. It's moist. It's fine. Exactly. Little humid. Dark. Oh, human. It's humid up here. It's always humid up here because it's a throne. But yeah, I think. Yeah, my gut reaction goes to Star Fox.

[01:22:27] And sometimes you just got to go go with the gut and go with the nostalgia wash. And I'm happy to do that. So I I'll go for Star Fox. Yeah, that's all right. I will. I will go. We are talking on a scale of five hundred.

[01:22:42] I am going to give Star Fox a four eighty seven. And I am going to give forty seven what a four eighty seven and I'm going to give Paper Mario a four eighty six. I'm going I'm just letting you know that's how close they are.

[01:22:57] But I'm going seven. What can you just do? A scale of five. I'm going to give you four. Thirty arbitraried. Versus four hundred eighty seven barrel rolls, you ask. Barrels. So it gives me a scale of one and two. Well, OK, what I'm saying is they are that.

[01:23:15] Two thousand. I am going. I am going Star Fox over Paper Mario as much as I love Paper Mario. I'm giving it one paperclip. Yeah. I'm giving it one. There's a vote. Fire wolf. Wolf. He won five hundred. Who who's voted so far? Everybody said Star Fox.

[01:23:40] Yeah, everybody said Star Fox. Yeah, I was Star Fox too. So really OK. Well, even after what you just said about it, unanimous. Dude, I've played a lot more Star Fox. I've had I've had more fun playing Star Fox 64 than Paper Mario.

[01:23:52] OK. And again, I'm an RPG guy. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So our brown smell goes to New Yorker right there. Hey, I'm an RPG guy. OK. Hey, fucking Star Fox is the winner. OK. All right. Our bronze. Come on. I guess. Jake's trying to get it. Get it.

[01:24:15] Jake's trying to get it out here, folks. Yeah, we're almost done. We're going to wrap this up. It's something to say. What was our bronze is Star Fox 64. That leads us to figure out the gold and silver.

[01:24:25] So our golden silver is between Mario 64 and Zelda or green time. Let me make this abundantly easy for you guys. One of these games comes in a gold cart. One comes in a silver cart. Come on. You know what? You know what?

[01:24:37] I'm going to agree. No, I'm going to agree. It's right. I mean, it's right. I mean, it's just a fact, but it doesn't mean it's the fact. OK. But it is. But it's just it's just a helpful reminder. This is what it is.

[01:24:52] It's a matter of mere fact. I'm going I'm going Zelda and I will leave it at that because I've said enough. Zelda's. Zelda's. I think Zelda just just took it. Bottom row. Yeah, I think it's I think it's Zelda. I'm going to go on this one.

[01:25:10] Yeah, it's a vastly superior game in my opinion. So it's got to be Zelda vastly. I like that. Well, that's actually. Yes. All right. Sometimes guys. So I'm kind of I'm kind of shocked that Turok didn't make it as a mystery game.

[01:25:22] Are you guys would really jump on that train with me? That's what we figured. We pull that envelope out first. So we can get there. Even again, there is no mystery. I want to have all these games for next time. It's got fog of war.

[01:25:35] That's as mysterious as it gets. What's what's your suggestion or the charm? I want to make a suggestion for next. OK, so if this three way thing is going to become a thing, I think if we're only going to do eight titles and we're going to be

[01:25:48] able to throw in like a third title is like, hey, I think Jake should not be able to pick that those extra titles. I think that should be on the rest of us. Yes, let's put it on the or the discord,

[01:26:01] which if you're not following us on our discord, please check out press there. Good thing we have links to all of that. Also like and subscribe. Like and like. Right. Oh, don't forget that as well. Yeah. Yeah, we need the subscribers trying to get to five. I'll hopefully.

[01:26:16] Yeah, I know. Notification bell. All right. Before we show. We put together a bracket someday as well. And I don't know what it's going to be about, but I'm going to. Jake, I mean, come on, man, this is four years in a row now.

[01:26:29] You're you're you're I trust that when you do a bracket, it'll be it'll be randomly allocated as I've been doing for four years. Like I've never read these brackets. I don't understand these allegations. Anyway, our guys. So we wrapped up our science.

[01:26:42] The International Olympic Committee would be proud, I think, how we've taken every single and 64 game shoved it in a box and pulled out the eight top ones. What do you think? I voted Starbucks. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. What? No. I want to know what Jake.

[01:26:59] I understand everybody except for Jake and Sinister. And I know that Zelda is winning, but I want to know what your guys' thoughts were if I made. Oh, yeah, Zelda. Like it's very. By the way, Sinister, I'm going to say this out of the eight games here

[01:27:13] is like the games that I owned and played on the N64. And even now with emulation, I played a good number of N64 titles out of all the N64 titles. These are the three that I'm I think belong as the top three.

[01:27:23] You can debate the order, but Star Fox, Zelda, Mario. I mean, come on, these these are the games. Yeah. Like I love Banjo, but I never saw it being a top three game on this list. Not with you guys. Like so. So yeah. So our goal is racism.

[01:27:39] I'm sorry, but no. Yeah. OK. Rare's got some issues in the 90s. I know, I know. So our goal then is Zelda, Orcranium Time. Our silver is Mario 64. Still good. And our bronze is Star Fox 64. So I think that's a damn fine list of the top three events.

[01:27:55] It's the first time that Jake has been happy with this the final three of any of our bragging. What's what's the tunnel? Probably true in Star Fox. Where are we at with the tunnels? There's tunnels. The last boss is a tunnel. Last four tunnels. Yeah. There is no.

[01:28:10] Navigating. Yeah. Sinister for your birthday this year. I'm not doing a walkthrough of any games. I'm going to buy you a coffee table book about the channel. All right, guys, I want to thank Dave. Dave, your special guest this week. I appreciate it. Very good.

[01:28:24] Tell people your podcast. We probably should explain that more. What was your podcast actually about? Is that why you're here? I went I decided to for some reason put myself on the journey of going through every game on the N64.

[01:28:38] I like to call the show the adventure through the good, the bad, the ugly and everything in between because there is a lot of that with this console. It is very awkward and that is really what the experience is. It's very up and down.

[01:28:52] You could love a lot of these games even that we just talked about, but yeah, there's always awkward controls or camera or controller. Lots of things, right? But I think it's an important stepping stone too to what we got next.

[01:29:06] And that's why I wanted to explore it more. So, yeah, remember 64s out across the board. I got some videos up on YouTube, including our episodes and some gameplay that I record on the games that we discuss.

[01:29:18] And every time I'll have a guest, we will break things down about some of the details, small details of how the game was developed. It's definitely not scientific like this was, but it's close. And then you know, don't you dare laugh at me, Jared? This is a process.

[01:29:36] It's science. And then we're very generous guest. Yeah. And we talk about the game. You know, we talked about our experience then our experience now and just sort of shoot the shit about the game and what we liked and didn't like.

[01:29:49] And if it was good to revisit or not, sometimes you've been surprised. Sometimes we've been disappointed. It is what it is. That's part of the journey. So yeah, remember 64 all out there for everybody. Yeah, I did a guest. I guess I don't want to hear episodes.

[01:30:02] I think that was it last year or two years ago? Like I remember it was just last corpse just over a year ago. And we did blast corpse. That was the first time I played that game. I hope you should all over blast corpse.

[01:30:11] I hope that was a great fun. You should not have a fantastic game. Fantastic game. And I almost put that as a mystery game. I feel I should have actually had better chance. I will say also watch you stream on Twitch, Dave.

[01:30:23] You're streaming Earthworm Jim 3D and you you were so damn positive at the beginning of that stream. It was your controller broke. And then my joystick snapped in half while I was playing. The power that is Jim 3D. That would happen.

[01:30:38] I'm currently as of today, I am I am almost finished that game. So that will be an episode that's upcoming. And I signed myself up for this. I can't I can't not play through these games. I know you're paying all too well.

[01:30:53] Sir, how many games are you into the library now? Like how many games you got left? Oh, we are not even close to getting as far as we should or towards as far as getting left. It's what we what we've done is probably the shortlist.

[01:31:05] We are up to OK, where is it? I should have this in front of me, but I do not. We are up to forty three games now because we have a couple of small episodes in between that weren't that that many percent or so.

[01:31:18] Yeah, there's like three hundred and sixty, if you include like some Japanese games and stuff like that, which I was like two forty. It's let's see the list I lost it. Well, there's a list. Yeah, it includes a lot of like sort of smaller games.

[01:31:33] Some of them are Japanese. Some of them are like, you know, kids games that have I think there's one where it's like Elmo's numbers and Elmo's on the list. Yeah. That is an opportunity. It should be on this. I should have been on this bracket.

[01:31:47] Yeah, then golden as tunnels. Yeah, it for sure has tunnels, right? So yeah, there's there's a lot to go through. So you're playing through the entire library given even if they didn't have an English release. We haven't gone to any Japanese releases yet.

[01:32:03] But I think some of these games we could loop in the Japanese release with the English one, because it's basically the same game. Stuff like that. But I was just wondering because you were talking about like the expanded library.

[01:32:13] I'm like, one project, J2, that's like a point and click adventure that's in Japanese. How are you going to play that one? I don't know. Maybe maybe we will translate. Yeah, we're also not a great. You're going to be like, let me put translator on my phone.

[01:32:27] It's screen shot. Erica, you mean it for me? Yeah. Yeah. It look, it's a valid. We got the bad thing. Yeah, whether we get to every single one or not, I don't know. I'm sure I will not be alive by the time we get that.

[01:32:40] But that is a life either way. That's off to you, dude. Don't say that. That's so dark. Just going to take a long time. It was a pretty rough. He's going to get to he's going to get to Excitebike 64. And he's going to be like, I'm out.

[01:32:52] I like it. Excitebike 64. At least I remember like it. I remember liking it. It's been a very long time. I'm just going to say I own it. OK. Well, so do I. One of the few cartridges. Think of. Mines, mines, mines down on the floor actually.

[01:33:10] It's propping up. That's what he thinks of Excitebike 64. I guess you have these guys over to blow on the cartridge before you use a bunch of magic books. He's like, they'll have to take they'll have to take the tunnel to get here.

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