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Only days before the end of the year, Sinistar comes to us with his sisyphean game, just in time. This week Press B chats about one of the best JRPG's on the SNES; Squaresoft's Chrono Trigger.
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00:00 --> 00:11 Guys, this episode's been a long time coming, and the source material spanned many years. But after 65 millennia and change, here we go. Today on.
00:32 --> 00:34 That'S a big coffee.
00:35 --> 00:36 It's tea.
00:37 --> 00:39 Don't caffeinate over the intro.
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00:44 --> 00:59 Look, I'm a big dude. All right, welcome in, everybody, to another episode of Pressby to cancel your favorite podcast for the last 65 years.
01:00 --> 01:01 It's a lot of math.
01:01 --> 01:15 Yeah. I am your host tonight, sinister 77. But I'm not alone. I am joined by four people, writes four. I'm including myself in the third person now.
01:15 --> 01:17 I mean, I am people.
01:17 --> 01:18 Yeah.
01:18 --> 01:19 And I am four.
01:20 --> 01:33 Yeah. So it sticks. But I am joined by some amazing co hosts as well, who have a lot of knowledge on the game we're talking about tonight. Jake, how are you?
01:34 --> 01:45 I'm glad to be here. Glad to talk about one of the most hidden of hiddenest gems I think I've ever come across, and I can't wait to talk about it. I'm so glad you finally played.
01:45 --> 01:48 Awesome. Awesome chard. How are you?
01:48 --> 02:02 Let's unearth this secret sauce. I'm pumped. I can't wait. This is something I've been wanting to talk about since Pressby. To cancel was a thing, and I wasn't even part of it yet. So premonition.
02:02 --> 02:06 Premonition. Yeah. And werewolf, how are you tonight?
02:06 --> 02:08 Rygar, baby. Here we go. Whoo.
02:08 --> 02:09 Yes.
02:09 --> 02:11 65 million years in the future.
02:11 --> 02:12 That's right.
02:12 --> 02:13 Bringing it back.
02:15 --> 02:31 If you haven't guessed, you haven't played this game, probably, but we are talking Chrono trigger tonight. Spoiler alert, this was my sisyphian game, and the reason I say spoiler alert is because we're talking about it, because this I beat.
02:33 --> 02:34 Finally.
02:34 --> 02:36 Hold on, hold on.
02:36 --> 02:36 Yeah.
02:36 --> 02:38 I thought we were doing chronocross.
02:40 --> 02:42 Did you set up the wrong thumbnail?
02:42 --> 02:43 I'm fucking out.
02:44 --> 02:50 I mean, it's the hidden gem. Everybody knows Chrono trigger is not a hidden gem. Chronocross is the real hidden gem. I got it on the screen behind me. I got notes.
02:51 --> 02:51 Ready?
02:51 --> 03:01 We're not doing chronocross. This is not a charred monk stream, okay? You don't need a rant right now. Let's stay on target. Let's keep on keeping on.
03:02 --> 03:04 Stay on target. All right.
03:05 --> 03:07 I had the wrong game on display, apparently.
03:11 --> 04:25 Awesome. So we wanted to make this our holiday. This is probably our closest to the holiday episode because so many people love this game. So many people think this is arguably the best rpg on the Super Nintendo and definitely a contender for one of the best rpgs of all time. And we have talked about this is probably going to be a little bit of a long episode because I'm sure we all have a lot of things to say. So without further ado, I'm going to give a couple of little tidbits here. It took me my save file at the beginning of the final battle because that's the last save file I have, is at 28 hours and 54 minutes. And it took me probably 40 minutes probably to do the. Sorry, people. It's a 30 year old game, almost. Probably 40 at this point. So there's going to be some spoilers we have to. Yeah, it probably took me about 40 minutes to do the final three set battle, which is one of the coolest. It's a little bit of a russian doll style battle, right?
04:26 --> 04:27 Basically, yeah.
04:28 --> 04:51 28 hours is a pretty good time. Set of star. Like, you did a really good time with it before the stream. I was saying that when I was a kid, Final Fantasy Six was like a 70, 80 hours game. So 30 hours, definitely shorter. But as an adult, I really appreciate the shorter gameplay of the game time of this title. And this is like one of the few games I can go back to and play and feel like I still have time to play.
04:52 --> 04:53 For sure.
04:53 --> 04:58 The irony of the use of time will be used so much in this particular episode, right?
04:59 --> 05:00 Yeah, no pun intended.
05:01 --> 05:58 So for those that are unaware, this game, you move around in time anywhere from 65 million years BC to 2300 AD. And it's one of those cool games that uses some really entertaining mechanics. There are a lot of places where you can actually interact with something in the future. Say collect a chest, and then you can go back in time and collect the chest. And go back in time and collect the chest. And so as long as you do it in the correct timing order, you can actually get a different number of items. There are also changes that happen. You go back to one time, you make a change, you go forward, and something has taken place because of the change that you did. I don't know. So let's start. Who wants to start with maybe some thoughts, memories, something about this game?
05:59 --> 06:01 Don't all speak up at once.
06:01 --> 06:10 Well, okay, first let me ask you guys who actually played this? Like, the year it came out? Okay, so me and Chard.
06:10 --> 06:12 The year it came out, what year was it?
06:12 --> 06:19 95. This is also an audio show. I did too. Waving your hand doesn't help anybody.
06:19 --> 06:21 Those listening Chard raised his hand.
06:22 --> 06:24 Thank you. I need more of those. I need those cues, please.
06:24 --> 06:29 Yeah, I assume I played it when it came out as five.
06:32 --> 06:48 I don't think I played it in 95, but it came out late 95. Right. So I think I played it within its first year out because I'm pretty sure I picked it up with like Christmas money that year. I went over to Sears and paid 70 damn dollars for this game.
06:49 --> 06:52 And that's 70.95 money, right?
06:52 --> 06:53 Yeah.
06:55 --> 06:57 We didn't go forward in time and pay for it now.
06:58 --> 07:05 I don't want to do the math on inflation on that. No, this is probably $100 game in today's money.
07:06 --> 07:09 It's going to be more than that in today's money. If you're trying to find.
07:09 --> 07:16 Well, I'm saying calculating inflation, that was.
07:16 --> 07:28 Part of the course for rpgs because I think they had bigger ram on board. I guess more storage was needed for these kind of games. So they are always more expensive. I think Final Fantasy Six was like $90 Canadian when I picked it up. So they were always expensive.
07:28 --> 07:46 Well, it was because I got it at Sears. It had like that $5 surcharge because it was at Sears instead of other stores. Had I got it tax? Yeah. For whatever reason, they were more expensive at Sears than most places, at least in my area. Had I gotten it at a game shop or like best buy or something?
07:46 --> 07:48 Sears is out of business.
07:48 --> 07:55 Yeah, but it was sold out at all the other places and Sears was the only place I could find it at the time, which is stupid.
07:55 --> 07:58 It's like Chrono trigger. The Craftsman edition.
07:59 --> 09:14 Yeah, right. The fucking harbor freight version of Chrono Trigger only works for like two levels. My friend bought this the week it came out. She scooped us up and I speak of her fondly. We used to get together and play all the games on Super Nintendo. It's the person that had a super Nintendo game. So as soon as that thing came out, she brought it home and we popped it in and of course I was like, it's not Final Fantasy, so how good could it be, right? Boy, was I wrong. Holy shit. This game took all that I thought about rpgs and ran with it and it's just an incredible ride. But really I was happy enough and lucky enough to play it like upon release, during the same week it came out. So what a ride that game was. We talk about it fondly and often. I wish that I could have been sinister and played this now for the first time. Not knowing anything that was going on and relive all of those emotions and feelings I had playing it for the first time when we got it way back when. So that's the only thing I'm jealous and envious of, is that you got to experience it. Brand new, fresh eyes right now.
09:14 --> 09:25 Right. Really quick. Sincere has found a calculator and inflation calculator for those that are listening. That said, 70.95 is basically $141 today.
09:26 --> 09:28 Still cheaper than CIb right now.
09:29 --> 09:29 Oh, for sure.
09:29 --> 09:31 Pretty good grab. That's a good grab.
09:31 --> 09:36 There's no dlc back then, so at least you got a full game for $140.
09:38 --> 09:39 Echoes didn't come out until way later.
09:39 --> 09:46 And there was no releasing beta. Well, that's not true. But most games were not released as beta.
09:46 --> 09:47 Right.
09:48 --> 10:28 Well, okay, so I kind of want to talk about. Because you say you're a little jealous of me playing it for my first time, and that's not 100% true. Part of the reason that this was my sisyphian game for 2023 was I have tried this game multiple times, and I have always bounced off of the fair at the beginning. And honestly, I think part of that is I actually think I used the Final Fantasy anthology version at one point. And those loading times are so bad, right?
10:28 --> 10:46 Yeah. To be fair, the millennial Fair is like the shortest Midgar segment of a game of all time. So the fact that you bounced off in the first hour is kind of wild, but understandable.
10:46 --> 10:47 Yeah.
10:47 --> 10:48 Anyway, continue.
10:51 --> 11:12 Part of the reason that I picked it as my Sisyphian is because I knew how loved this game was, and so really, I felt like I needed to give it the time of day that it deserved. Do you want my impressions playing through recently, or do we want to go with your impressions first and then I can give mine?
11:15 --> 12:35 I guess I'll start. Okay, so this was a game. Guess I'll preface this. I knew a guy who, for whatever reason, he had, like, every rpg there was for the Nintendo and Super Nintendo consoles. Like, if it was an rpg for one of those, he had it and almost kind of as soon as it came out. So he got Chrono trigger right away, and he just would not shut up about it, kept talking about it. So finally, I was pretty excited to get it because I was already into Final Fantasy two and three at this point, right? Secret Amana. I was really diving in deep to rpgs because I'd only discovered them, like, two and a half years prior. And so when I got the opportunity at chronic trigger, I was like, this sounds badass, because I've always been a big fan of time travel stories, alternate reality stories, things like that. So this was my jam. So I was like, hell yeah. I wasn't super sold on the idea that they were designed by the guy who did Dragon Ball. I could care less at the time, but the art style was still really neat. The music was badass. So, yeah, this was something I really wanted. So I went and bought it for myself. And what's funny is even though he got it right away and wouldn't shut up about it, he was so pissed that like a month later I had beaten it before him.
12:37 --> 12:38 That's awesome.
12:38 --> 12:40 He was so mad.
12:40 --> 12:41 Wow.
12:41 --> 13:49 But this is a game that I didn't do this much because I didn't have to. Generally speaking, on the weekends, I was allowed to stay up however late I wanted. My parents didn't care because I wasn't a noisy kid, I wasn't an irresponsible kid. So I would just stay up on the weekends and play games until I was like, yeah, I'm too tired to do anything and fall asleep. But with Chrono Trigger, I specifically stayed up late on school nights. And this is a point where I had, like, my bedroom was weird because there was the main bedroom and then a big ass walk in closet for the other half of the room. So my tv and gaming consoles were in the other half of the room. So the light didn't really, like, the tv was pointed away from my door. So even though my door faced my parents door, like across the hall, it was like 20 30ft, but you could see light coming from under the door. So I threw a piece of laundry down in front of the door, of course, and turned the tv the other way and just played for like 3 hours. And I was like, all right, I guess I'll go to sleep now. But I did that a lot. Like, my schooling suffered the month Chrono trigger was out. When I got it right.
13:51 --> 14:00 I'm going to say that was my excuse as well. I was playing Chrono trigger for like six years from junior high through high school.
14:00 --> 14:13 Oh, no. My grades definitely suffered for other reasons as the years went on. But that particular month, after I got Chrono trigger, like, I was a pretty good student up to that point, and I was not for like three weeks.
14:14 --> 14:15 That's awesome.
14:15 --> 14:18 I was great. After three weeks, we were right back on it.
14:18 --> 14:19 Yeah, pretty much.
14:20 --> 14:31 That's awesome. That's fantastic. Well, who else wants to talk about their impressions or should we? Yeah, go ahead.
14:31 --> 14:47 I'll talk about mean. I do love this game and I did play it as a teenager. I guess I didn't get a super Nintendo until late, but I think it was before Chrono came out. So I probably played it. I played it around the time it released. I think this was after Final Fantasy six, right?
14:47 --> 14:51 Yes, six was 99, right.
14:51 --> 15:46 So then I definitely played six first. And so I would have played this because I was very limited in the rpgs I played as a kid. And it wasn't really until Final Fantasy six came out that I kind of really got into the genre because I remember doing this, then Cron Trigger, then later on Fantasy Star Four. But I mean, for me, the standout thing for me will always be the music. And even today I might be fuzzy on some of the details of the gameplay or the characters or the story, but the music has stayed with me throughout my entire life. It is one of my favorite soundtracks to a video game or just music in general. This is one of those ones where I wish I could catch a concert. I know Square has done concerts in the past for Final Fantasy. I don't know if they've done anything like that for Chrono trigger. I hope they do, because the music in this is just so iconic. The character themes like Frog's theme, we all know and love Magus is really great. Even robo. Even though if it sounds like a rick roll, it's still a catchy tune.
15:46 --> 15:49 It's actually one of the best moments of the game.
15:49 --> 16:57 Yeah, but the music really hits home and there's just so many moments where I don't remember the layout of a level, but I remember the soundtrack. When you say black omen. Yes, I remember the black omens music. When you say undersea palace. Yes, I remember the jams. The undersea palace. I remember undersea palace theme song and all that stuff. Secret door. Yeah, or the battle with the new. The hidden battle. You. When you fight the six new. The funky tune they play there, it's like a carnival. It's like a weird diddy, like a music bit. And they use it in a few other places, but I mostly know from there. So for me it's the music that really stuck out. The graphics, of course, are really great. I love how the sprites are larger than Final Fantasy six because in six they tried to show emotion on the characters, but they're only like tiny. But in kroner trigger, all the emotions are captured. They have different sprite animations for scared, surprised, laughing. And it's done really cool for what it is. I mean, it's still a 16 bit rpg. There's only so much they can do. But I feel like they did do a lot with the graphics. So for me, that's the thing that the presentation is what stuck with me all this time.
16:57 --> 17:22 Yeah, that's a good point too. The fact that it emotes so well because people swear by Final Fantasy Seven doing so much for the rpg genre. I feel like Chrono Trigger did more for displaying the characters emotions and reactions to things than Final Fantasy seven did. By a long shot. Seven was just like first major 3d rpg. Right?
17:22 --> 17:23 Yeah, right.
17:24 --> 17:36 Chrono Trigger. You could see the defeat in the characters or the surprise or the anger that conveyed all this stuff so well with a handful of.
17:36 --> 17:38 Right, right.
17:38 --> 19:57 Like a shift in somebody's position of their head can give you the feeling of when. When Frog's trying to come to grips with the idea that he may not be as good as Cyrus or whatever. Right. But going back to Jake's point, the music on top of all of that is so perfectly orchestrated throughout the entire game that it does elicit so many emotional responses throughout the whole game. Like, this game could be a fucking movie and it would do amazing. It is so well choreographed digitally and audibly together that it really sends everything home. I think between six Final Fantasy six and this, those two are the most played sound. This one specifically is the most played soundtrack on my Spotify list. This is your rainbow dragon eyes to me, I still listen to the DS version of Chrono Triggers soundtrack from start to finish at work, when things are getting kind of like when I'm just trying to focus, but I need something to keep me going or whatever. I always pop this one in and then I find amazing. Reorganized, rearranged soundtracks that go with it, that are from just random folks that have done really cool, newer, orchestrated versions of the songs that are fantastic. This game has emotionally touched and scarred me on numerous occasions, to the point that even when I played it in my 30s, early 40s, again, this game still elicits an emotional response out of me, out of many, many different story types. The robo and the six. The fight with Chrono, where that happens, getting Magus or Magus, however you want to pronounce it on your team and the whole thing that's going on with that guy and the attack of Frog and Magus's relationship, there's just so much to this game. It's not even in an onion. It's not even in layers. It's right there in front of your face. And it is so well executed that I can't gush about this game enough.
19:57 --> 20:13 Yeah, I agree. Well, I'm going to give a couple of impressions because, well, I want to give some impressions. So I do think the game really opened up after the fair.
20:15 --> 20:16 Because that's the intro.
20:16 --> 20:53 I know, but that fair is so even today, I don't know that I've been in one of these episodes, but there was an episode that was like, what's that part of the game you love? That's like you always dread doing, right? I think, Wolf, you did one of the blaster masters and it was a specific level where it's like you dread that level even though you love the game. Yeah. But to me, like the fair, if I were to start new game plus again, I would be like, come on.
20:55 --> 21:17 The thing about the new game plus and Chrono trigger is the fair is like five minutes your second time through, right. Because you're not worried about trying to prep yourself for further play. You don't have any need to get items or any of that. You're just like, I've already got my stuff from the previous play. Let's just go do the things real quick, the quick points and then head on.
21:18 --> 23:23 Yeah. So I still feel like I had to force my way through the fair. Like, I had to force my way to get to the point where you finally travel to your first time change. Right. And then once you're there, the whole story about Marley and the princess, the whole thing that opens up. My other impression is I don't think I would have loved this game as much as I do. And I love this game if I hadn't done the side quests, if I had just charged straight through and gotten to the point where the black omen shows up. And at that point, you can either go do the side quests for character backstories or if you feel like you have enough levels and experience and et cetera, you can go take on lavos and finish the game at that point. Right. And if I had just been like, okay, that was probably at, I don't know, 17 hours or something, right? And I probably would have been like, oh, I'm just going to go finish this game. Just get it out of the way. I would have done myself a huge disservice and I probably would have been like, this game was okay because I really feel like it's the side quests that bring this game. It's, it's, it's the backstory of frog and Cyrus and you're, oh, and the, the princess and her mom dying and the whole, it's these backstories, robo, and being given the task to go live among humans so that they can figure out how to just, I'm sorry, people. Spoilers. How they can destroy humans better. Right? And Robo's like, basically like, no, fuck you. These people taught me how to. If you. If I hadn't done that, I would have been know.
23:23 --> 23:23 Right.
23:24 --> 23:55 But there's a lot of personality. Those one, the one I always like the most. And it's not necessarily because it's serious, although I like the serious ones too, with frog and Cyrus. But the one where you go to Ozzy's fort and you get to meet Ozzy slash and flea. Again, just the dialogue, the translation there, so great. You get through all these deadly traps. He's like, I got this trap and he's spinning a crank and there's these deadly blades in the room and you get by it and he's like, ozzy's in a pickle. Ozzy's in a jam was hilarious. Yeah, I love that.
23:55 --> 24:11 I have to admit, and this is probably embarrassing to admit, but I didn't get the first time with Ozzy and flea. When I went back and did Ozzy's fort, I'm like, all right.
24:17 --> 24:19 There should have been fourth guy named Bonham.
24:21 --> 24:24 Or Peart or Peert.
24:24 --> 26:20 What do we go to see? The thing about it is that to me, this game doesn't feel like these are side quests. They feel like they're part of the story. Like the way they're presented. You can just go ahead and finish the game, but you could go to fight Lavos, like after your first teleportation in time. If you know the sequence you're supposed to do, you can go fight Lavos immediately. So the way that they're designed doesn't feel like side quests. It just feels like it's bolstering the story more and more. So it's not like I'm fetching freaking flowers to bring back to somebody for a goddamn cooking show. I'm actually going out and learning more about the characters that are in the team, like you said, the serious stuff with Cyrus and even the goofy shit with Ozzy and flea and slash and that whole, like, all the side quests are so they're not even side. Just like I said, they're just bolstering more and more stuff into the story to make you solidify your emotional attachment to all these characters that you've picked up, and there's so few of mean. There's a lot of characters. Don't get me. There's. But you actually connect with every single one. From fucking Ayla to frog to even. Even the silent protagonist Chrono, you connect with each one of these characters. So when you have a favorite person, you're like, it's not just because he looks cool or he has a cool attack. You actually like their backstory. You actually like how they got to where they are instead of, hey, this guy just joined our team. He's pretty cool. There's actually shadow. Shadow is like such a. Except you learn more about shona later on. But that's not the point. The point is that it's like, from start to front, all these guys have lives, and their emotional attachments just glommed you immediately. And it's just brilliant writing. Absolutely brilliant game.
26:20 --> 26:21 I agree. Yeah, I don't agree.
26:21 --> 26:45 I don't think there's a single character in this game that I'm like, they're lame. In Final Fantasy six, I know one. In Final Fantasy six, there's a couple of characters that I'm like, do I really have to use this one? In Chrono trigger, I don't mind using any of them. I've got preferences, but I don't mind it. You know what I mean?
26:45 --> 26:45 Sure.
26:45 --> 26:50 And they're all like, as far as their actual character arcs go, they're all interesting in that regard.
26:50 --> 26:51 Yeah.
26:51 --> 27:28 Right. And they're all tied into the story overall, whether you have in your party or not, they all feel like they're part of the main story. If you want a game where there's more characters, then you look at the sequel, Chronocross, which has, I can't tell you how many characters, but you don't really feel it. 42. But you don't really feel attached to them anywhere near you. Do like Chrono trigger or even like final six. Final six also had a dozen characters or so, but at least you knew each of their names and you remembered their backstories. Chronocross. Can't say that. Or at least I can't say that about Chronocross. But Chrono trigger. Yeah, there's like, eight characters or so, but they do really feel part of the story regardless. And I like that.
27:29 --> 27:33 Chrono trigger only had seven, whereas Chronocross apparently had 45.
27:34 --> 27:34 Wow.
27:35 --> 27:41 And honestly, the ones I can remember the names of probably on, like, one hand. Yeah, right?
27:42 --> 27:42 Yeah.
27:42 --> 28:34 Links. That's all I remember, in surge or sarge, this game is like just perfectly. It's like a perfect meal. It's the perfect amount of food and the perfect amount of drink and the perfect amount of dessert. It's just nicely compacted. It's not a 200 hours game where you're like, okay, or you're doing 1800 different things you don't need to do, but they're there, so you do them anyways. But it's not short that you're like, man, I'm like, I want more. It feels like when you finish this, at least in my opinion, that you've accomplished something. And they even added the new game plus so you can go back and do some more of the endings and stuff. But even upon finishing it, it's not like I got to do that again. It's like, that was satisfying. I am full. I'm good. I'm going to get up from the table and I'm not going to eat anymore. I'm going to gorge myself. I think it's just like the perfect amount of everything in there.
28:35 --> 28:36 Yeah, absolutely.
28:37 --> 29:08 Yeah. My first time playing it, I definitely went through multiple times in a row. I couldn't get enough. I was like, I want more. I want to see all these endings. So I was just play through and get another ending and then new game plus. To get another ending and new game plus. And so I think by the time I was done with it, most of my character stats were all stars. I still haven't even seen all the endings in this game. I think I've seen seven or eight of the twelve that were in Super Nintendo. They added another one for PlayStation and DS.
29:10 --> 29:19 Because that's the hook, like you said, right? New game Plus. I think this is the first game I played where I remember new game plus being even in it. And if it was the first new.
29:19 --> 29:21 Game plus game ever did. New game plus.
29:21 --> 29:57 Yeah, but they did it out of all games I played with new game plus, this is probably the best way of doing it because it doesn't make going back and playing the game a chore at all. And there's incentive because the endings are different. And I liked how in this one, sorry, guys, spoilers. 30 year old game. But you get to go and fight lavos in several different ways. Whether you go through the black omen, the buck at the end of time, or the gate, there's different ways to go and fight. You go wherever you go to fight them. Gives you a different ending. And son has a different boss battle. Like, you can go and fight Lavos solo with Chrono if you really want. And you get an ending for that. That's fantastic. I love that.
29:57 --> 30:28 That was actually one of the things I worked for when I was playing through. I was like, I want to see the ending if Chrono just beats it himself right at the beginning. So that was like my big end goal after that first time. And so I tried it immediately and I was like, that's not going to work yet. So I had to play through a few more times. And then, yeah, I was able to make it happen. So real quick, I do want to mention, so this is the first game that used the term new game plus. There are other examples of new game plus if you want to count them like ghosts and goblins. The loop.
30:31 --> 30:32 Really.
30:32 --> 30:41 Quest, the second quest. Such a stretch. You're not continuing with all the crap status that you acquired in previous runs.
30:41 --> 30:42 That's why it carries over.
30:43 --> 30:48 I would say Chrono Trigger is still the first prime example of a new game plus experience.
30:49 --> 30:53 Right? Yeah, that's second quest is second quest. That's just another run.
30:53 --> 30:55 Yeah, different stages.
30:55 --> 31:12 I can get the argument, but yeah, you don't have all this stuff. New game plus was you carry over what you brought in with you and it made the game easier. But you could do more challenges earlier on while Ghost of Goblins is just play the game again. You're like, do I have to? Okay, there's a different ending.
31:12 --> 31:16 And play the game with the worst weapon in the game.
31:16 --> 31:23 By the way. We're going to give you some shit weapon to play this through. Have fun. Good luck. Have fun when you do new game.
31:23 --> 31:28 Plus, what don't you have? You don't have the hero medal or do you still have that?
31:28 --> 31:40 There's key items I think that you don't have. But. Right, everybody has the rest of their stuff. I think you still have the hero medal because that's an accessory like the Mazamune. Yeah, I believe you have all that stuff.
31:41 --> 32:01 There's a couple of things you don't get to keep. I don't think you keep money in new game plus. So I would always sell all my crap, right? Or buy a bunch of crap as much as I could to spend all my money. So that way in new game Plus, I could sell a bunch again and start with cash, right?
32:01 --> 32:41 Yeah. I think it's frivolous because when you start up, you've already got, you did everything. If you did everything at the end, you could just take all the rainbow and all the ultimate weapons and go take on Lavos right out the gate and get through all that shit, though. I'm playing this game again on DS. I started it up today and yeah, it just hasn't lost its luster. It doesn't. It doesn't ever. I could play this game like Wolf said, if I were in hell and I was forced to play a game the rest of my life, be Chrono trigger and I'd be fine. It'd be hot, but I'd be fine.
32:42 --> 32:46 If you were in hell, he'd be like, I've got Chrono cross for you.
32:46 --> 32:53 Yeah, that'd be more hell. Or a broken version of fucking Crimson size or whatever.
32:55 --> 34:28 Well, I want to touch on because as much as I do like this game, there are moments that I did not like. This game was not all wine and roses or pizza and beer, depending on your preferred euphemism. But I really despise a game, or at least a portion of a game, where they hockey stick the difficulty. And there is two places in this game that does that. The first is the Golem fight, which I almost quit. I almost was like, I'm done with this. Thankfully, my co hosts here gave me a couple of pointers and I did beat that. And then the other one is one of the side quests that I would probably never do again in my life, which is the black omen. I was so tired of that at the end of it that I was just like, I struggle with this. And I know it's not just jrpgs, but there's something about jrpgs that they have this concept of a boss rush where it's just like no breather and you're just going to do five fights in a row and they're going to get progressively worse and good luck. And at the end of it I'm just like, okay, where's my save point in the middle here? Like, give me something. Right.
34:28 --> 34:30 Where's the boss rush in the black omen, though?
34:30 --> 34:35 It's at the end of the black. Yeah, well, it's the mutants. And then there's the one.
34:36 --> 34:37 Okay.
34:38 --> 34:40 Yeah. Zeal keeps changing form and everything.
34:41 --> 35:00 Okay. Yeah, see, I don't remember being that. For me, the black omen I didn't like because it was so long, it overstayed its welcome and how long the dungeon itself was. And some of the fights were kind of drawn out and repetitive. I'd like the boss fight, though. I thought the boss fight was okay, but the dungeon itself is way too long.
35:01 --> 35:08 A number of the harder battles in black omen, don't repeat on subsequent attempts.
35:08 --> 35:13 On the same playthrough, like the turrets. I think if you kill the turrets.
35:13 --> 35:32 I don't think turrets are like, they're just gone through time no matter what timeline you beat them in. And then I think there's a boss or two that do the same thing, or like mini boss anyway. So obviously zeal, you fight every time at the end and you get the goodie for doing it, which I think was like a rainbow helm or a prism dress. Or you could get both if you steal or something like that.
35:32 --> 35:35 Something like that, yeah, I think you.
35:35 --> 35:45 Could steal a prism dress from her. I don't know. I don't remember the specifics anymore. But I do know you get handsomely rewarded for beating her and then you can do it again.
35:46 --> 35:56 I don't think I ever want to. Doing it once in a playthrough is always enough for me. And there's sometimes I've done playthroughs where I just don't even bother with it. Because you don't have to do the black Omen. It's optional, right?
35:56 --> 36:11 Oh, yeah. You can just go to 1999 and just call it. But if you go through the black Omen, you basically then progress directly into the battle with, well, is that what you did, Sandstar?
36:11 --> 36:16 You beat the black Omen, did beat queen zeal, and then you immediately did Lavos afterwards.
36:16 --> 36:18 Black omen leads into.
36:18 --> 36:32 There's a save point right after. Okay, right, yeah. You end up in a cave that you can either travel out of and continue doing other things, or if you just walk north, you have your fight with Lavos.
36:33 --> 36:49 Yeah, that's how black omen had a good segue into the end. So I always saved it for last because you do all the other shit, and then you're like, okay, black Omen is going to roll out, and then you literally drift right into the whole ending of the game.
36:50 --> 36:52 That's how I did it.
36:52 --> 37:04 I'm a geek about it. So when I played through it, I was like, I got to do it multiple times. Get as much xp as I can, get all the goodies I can. I wanted those sweet, sweet tabs to upgrade your characters.
37:04 --> 37:20 Yeah. And I think I did some grind in a couple of places, but in one place in particular, during Robo's side quest, I did use the conveyor.
37:20 --> 37:22 Mother brain conveyor belt.
37:22 --> 37:34 Yeah, it's nice that mother brain played a cameo from super Metroid or Metroid. That's awesome. But no, the grinding is interesting because.
37:34 --> 37:52 I never did grinding as a kid, but I think the grinding made sense for you because you're trying to get all the tech points for all the characters, I think. Right. Whereas when I played this game, I only ever played the same three characters the entire time. I never had to worry about other characters text because I never really used them. So I never had to do grinding for that reason, really.
37:52 --> 38:17 I just kind of wanted to see them. So I would go, like, once I got all the text unlocked in whatever party I'd built for that grind portion, I would then try out the text and see what they did, and then I'd go swap some characters and start leveling them. Mean, at the end of the day, I'm going to admit, Ayla has her strengths. They all have their strengths. They all literally have their strengths. Yeah.
38:17 --> 38:19 She literally has her strength.
38:19 --> 38:28 Yeah, at the end, but it's good strength. It is. She hits like a brick truck.
38:28 --> 38:29 Brick shithouse, yeah.
38:29 --> 38:56 Brick shithouse. Yeah. Mac truck. She hits like a Mac truck. But no, at the end. I mean, let's fast forward a little bit. At the end, my party was Chrono, which I'd renamed to Sin because I'm a narcissist like that. I'm going to be honest, I'd done sin and accidentally put a space. So there was always an extra space and dialogue that bugged me through the.
38:56 --> 38:59 Entire game, I think.
38:59 --> 39:04 Sin, isn't there a way you can get a rename ticket or something in this?
39:04 --> 39:15 There's a quest. Yeah, there's one of the side quests. You can get a rename. But I stuck with it. I just stuck with it because at that point, I'm like, now it's actually.
39:16 --> 39:17 Now has charm.
39:17 --> 39:18 Yeah, it's got charm.
39:18 --> 39:19 Stick with it.
39:19 --> 40:13 Yeah. Just so you know, in sin, the space at the end is silent. But I did Chrono, I did Marley and I did frog because I basically used the cure wave, whatever it's called, where I just would heal everybody. Double cure. And then for that last boss battle, where you have to really take out one of the little side modules or whatever, I would beat the crap out of it. And then the triple tech for those three was fantastic. Once it was out of the way of just hitting like a Mac truck. Right. And so I didn't feel like I needed Ayla for that. Ayla Magus. Magus. Merli Marley Magus.
40:13 --> 40:14 Keep saying it wrong.
40:16 --> 40:19 Frog fro folk.
40:19 --> 40:20 Yeah, I know.
40:21 --> 40:21 Frog.
40:25 --> 40:26 Harry cut beans all over again.
40:26 --> 40:49 Anyway, honestly, I can see every character with their different strengths. I can honestly see you can use different techniques to beat these battles, right? You can build it and then you just rely on those strengths. I relied on the big heel and then just physical hits to get rid of that one little module and know the triple.
40:51 --> 41:37 That's for me. That's why, like I say, isla, for me, my party was Chrono, Luca and Ayla, or Ayla, whatever the hell you want. Now you got me saying it. Main reason is because her ultimate tech is not that great, but her second ultimate or second tech is the triple kick. And that hits one target for a crap ton of damage. So her alone can take down that one side bit. And then Luca and Krono both each have their own respective big bang attacks that are just massive damage. That's how I did it. I relied heavily, though, on items for healing because I feel like they gave you so many in this game, and I don't think I ever ran out of elixirs or meg elixirs, whatever they're called, in that game. I never had an issue with the items. And this is one of the few jrpgs where I kind of overuse items for healing instead of a heal spell.
41:37 --> 41:50 Yeah. And honestly, I felt like the mega elixirs, it felt like you didn't get enough, but every time you'd look, you'd be like, oh, I picked up a couple.
41:50 --> 41:50 I got one.
41:50 --> 41:54 Yeah. By the end of the game, you probably got like a dozen or more.
41:54 --> 42:03 Yeah, right. But every time you do, you've bought like 50 of everything else, and you look at it and it's like, at a dozen, you're like, I don't want to touch that.
42:03 --> 42:07 I'm not touching those. Yeah, I just got the double digits with those.
42:07 --> 42:15 I'm not touching them. But your first time playing on the final boss is like the only time you'll ever absolutely need them. Right, right.
42:16 --> 42:16 Yeah.
42:16 --> 42:17 Right.
42:18 --> 42:19 You still save them.
42:19 --> 42:28 There were a couple of times when I'd run out of spell points and I was a little beat up and I'd be like, okay, mega elixir, let's just get it done in one whack. Right? Sure.
42:28 --> 42:29 Yeah.
42:29 --> 42:37 But, I mean, that's just for ease. But there's no way saving them beyond the final boss because subsequent playthroughs are just going to be easier.
42:40 --> 42:59 It's not an overly tough game outside of the Golem twin fight. And like you said, the black omen hasn't been a challenge, but that's optional outside the Golem twin fight. It's not a difficult game. It has some tricky spots, and I find it's not easy by any stretch. But I didn't find it as difficult as, say, other games, like Fantastic Star Four, far harder than this game ever was.
42:59 --> 43:01 Yes, agreed.
43:01 --> 43:08 But I thought the challenge was good for what it is. I liked the challenge. I felt it was not too hard, not too easy. It was kind of good level throughout the entire game for me, anyway.
43:08 --> 43:44 Yeah, no, I think the challenge was great. I think I did myself both a service and a disservice by grinding for all the tech points because really after that, I just was walking through stuff. It was just, oh, look, it's a battle. Oh, look, my critical hits are hitting for like 1000 and change, like on a whack. Right. And my critical hit rate is like, I've got the thing that gives me like 80% or whatever critical hit rate. So I'm just like, I'm walking through, right? Yeah.
43:45 --> 43:57 It helps too, if you know the battles ahead of time. Like once you're going through new game. Plus, to give an example, there's one area I forget exactly where it is, but it's all cloudy and hazy. You're in the sky, the islands are all chained together.
43:58 --> 43:59 Zeal.
43:59 --> 44:15 I can't remember what 1200, but it's not in the castle, it's outside in the mountain or something like that. Oh, like Mount Woe, possibly. Mount woe, yeah. And you're climbing Mount Woe. It's all cloudy and it's hazy.
44:15 --> 44:16 Yeah.
44:16 --> 44:41 That area I remember the most because I had Ayla and I had Chrono and they have a double tech called Falcon hit where she throws him up in the air and he flies across in a straight line. Is important because when you line up the enemies, when you do your attack, you can hit all of them in a battle and win a battle instantly. So once you know where the placement, the enemies are and what your techs can do together in terms of where they hit on the screen, I found the game a lot easier for a lot of vows that way, too.
44:42 --> 44:47 And once I unlocked Luminaire, that was also like, okay.
44:49 --> 44:50 The flashy blue ultimate.
44:52 --> 44:52 Yes.
44:53 --> 46:05 Luminaire was like, it's not tailspin, it's the dino tail or whatever that Ayla has for me. It's good for, I mean, it's much stronger than Ayla's ultimate, but where your triple kick is your thing, I was using confuse religiously. That was my single target damage. You hit for 800, 700 apiece. But like twelve hits in a round and it's just wrecking house. I know triple kick does a similar amount. It just felt like there were more damage tickers coming off when it was doom and Luminaire than I remember on the triple kick. So I live by that shit. But being like, if you come into it with a basic knowledge of rpg gameplay and whatnot, there are the expectations of something's going to hit you and hit you hard. Like the boss battle in the mountain of woe, that guy wrecks you with like two turns before you even get a shot. So you're really playing defense to start. But a lot of rpgs are like that. Like, you just got to have to reposition yourself on how your typical approach to most fights are different throughout the game, which is something I super appreciate about that.
46:05 --> 46:28 And that was the thing that got me with the golem, was like, when I first went into it, I would have two party members dead before I had a chance to do a first hit. Right. And so right off the bat, I'm having to cast a cure or revive. Sorry. And if I did the revive in the wrong order, well, they're just dead immediately after you revive them, right?
46:29 --> 47:22 Yeah. So that boss is the one. For those who don't know, we're talking about, there's one boss in the undersea palace where he's very responsive to what you use against him, elemental wise. If you use fire, he starts doing fire attacks. If you use lightning, he's lightning attacks. If you use physical, he does an iron orb attack which halves your life or something. And you know, that pattern, it's great. You can kind of strategize for it. Strategize for it. Sorry. By, for example, my strategy I told sinister was wear the fire mail or fire vest. So you take no, or very little damage from fire attacks and have Luca and the other characters use fire attacks. And that way you don't take any damage. The problem he's having, and it's very easy, is before you even get to the strategizing part, you don't use that fire attack. He hits you with a physical attack and kills you. And that is very tricky. And it almost feels like RNG to kind of get past that first round or two to get your flow going.
47:22 --> 47:22 Yeah.
47:22 --> 47:30 And I think it was obviously, if I'd been ten levels higher, it probably wouldn't have been rng, right? Yeah.
47:30 --> 48:00 But if you're cruising like you said, you were cruising through the game and one shotting a lot of shit till you got to that point, if I remember correctly, I know the golems. When I first got there, my first playthrough was a wall that I hit, too. I think it's pretty common just because it does spike really hard, then you got to fight the two of them and you got to deal with all that shit. And then once you're done, then it simmers down again. Yeah. Everything turns into somewhat of normal gameplay and you're like, why did you put that in there so early?
48:01 --> 48:02 Who put this boss in here?
48:03 --> 48:07 Yeah, they just slid it in to be a dick level.
48:07 --> 48:08 What's wrong with you?
48:08 --> 48:11 People say lavos. I know who Lavos is.
48:11 --> 48:12 This isn't lavos.
48:13 --> 48:31 Yeah, there's a few characters in the game, Gollum. There's a few enemies in the game that have tricks to them, like the ones that will counterattack if you use magic or don't use magic. Or there's one that I think you use the wrong type of attack, it will drain your spell points. Those kind of come out of nowhere, and those can be tricky until you figure them out. Right. Counterattack ones are always rough.
48:32 --> 49:10 And that's another complaint that I have. This is not just a JRPG thing, but I really have struggles with. You've spent so much time leveling and leveling and leveling and you're becoming tougher and stronger and whatever. And then there's a point where you hit an enemy that can take you to one hit point or something. And that was zeal, right? It doesn't matter if you had 60 hit points or you had 999 hit points. She could use that one attack that would take you to one. That, to me is a little bit like, well, how do we make this hard? I don't know. Give him a cheat.
49:11 --> 49:27 That's the same complaint about Kefka and ff six, though, right? He does the same thing, that false life thing. It's not great. It's really crappy. It feels like no matter how you've appeared or how well you're doing, to be taken onto one hit point just feels like a blow. And you're right. I don't know. It's not a good move.
49:27 --> 49:52 Maybe it's a me thing. Because when that shit happens in a fight, that's why double cure was my crutch for a long time was because of things like that. So when those things happen, then I'm like, okay. And then I just strategize for the next thing. But it gets me going. Like, that shit gets. I was like, oh, fuck. Oh, this guy's got. Ooh, okay. I got to think about that. You know, usually I can be fast enough to kind of play that I gave, I don't know.
49:53 --> 50:25 I gave Marley, I think, a haste helm or whatever so that she was always ready. And then Frog was fast enough that I knew there was a good chance that after I dropped to one hit point, I would be able to have Marley basically ready, and frog would be like, right. And I would even wait and use Chrono and do a couple of attacks. A couple of attacks and just leave them ready just because I knew it was coming. Right, right.
50:25 --> 50:29 And that's perfect strategy right there.
50:30 --> 50:31 Strategy. Yeah.
50:31 --> 50:32 Brilliant strategy.
50:32 --> 50:35 The board game. Right? Strategy.
50:37 --> 50:39 I'm a strategical bastard.
50:40 --> 50:51 So in this game, you do get the tab items, which will permanently increase a stat by, like, one or something. Did you guys ever try and work out a strategy for those, or you just dump it on Chrono?
50:51 --> 50:56 No, I would always give it to the lowest of that stat point.
50:56 --> 50:56 Would you? Okay.
50:56 --> 51:14 Well, yeah, I mean, basically, especially the speed tabs. I would look at who's my slowest character to build up their turn, and I would just dump speed tabs on that character until they were all basically running at the same time and then, like, divided it.
51:14 --> 51:17 Usually, I want to say it was usually Luca that was slowest.
51:18 --> 51:22 Yeah. I didn't use Luca a ton, and out of the group, I did. It was always Marley.
51:22 --> 51:31 Anyway, I think it's possible to get Chrono to cap on speed by the end of the first playthrough without the tab, I think.
51:31 --> 51:32 So.
51:34 --> 51:38 What? Max speed is only 15 or 16, I think.
51:38 --> 51:39 I think you're right on that.
51:40 --> 51:46 So once you hit 15 or 16, I don't remember which. It's just double star instead of numbers.
51:47 --> 51:54 I just used to, just used all the tabs on Chrono. I just said, screw it, because I'm like, they would never kill the main character, so I might as well give him and met him.
51:54 --> 51:55 Super powerful. Right?
51:55 --> 51:57 He'll never segue.
51:57 --> 51:58 Strong segue.
51:58 --> 52:04 Just so you know, at the end of my first playthrough, Chrono is at speed 14.
52:05 --> 52:06 Okay.
52:08 --> 52:13 What's funny is Marley is at 14 as well, but I kept dumping speed tabs on her.
52:17 --> 52:23 That's a good segue about losing, not killing the main character.
52:23 --> 52:31 Let's talk about that when we're talking Final Fantasy six. You actually lose the game halfway through, right?
52:32 --> 52:32 Right.
52:32 --> 52:42 The boss wins halfway through. This is a game where the main character, see ya. We don't need him.
52:46 --> 53:34 Your your first run in with Lavos after, I guess it's the undersea palace or the Mamma machine, you basically, Kronos literally sacrifices himself to save everybody else and gets obliterated. He dies, he gets vaporized by lavos in which you wake up with three. It is a moment. I'm telling you. Everything about this game has carries some kind of humor or emotional weight to it that you didn't see back in 95. Maybe like six had the closest thing to it, but you felt like you were, because you're already connected with these people by that times happening. Krono is not saying anything. He's a silent protagonist. But you're still got this. Like, I'm Krono, that's me. I'm saying all these things. That's my character. And then they're like, yeah, not anymore.
53:34 --> 53:34 Get fucked.
53:35 --> 53:50 Yeah, he's done. And you're like, oh, okay. And then there's no discussion beyond that unless you go look for it where they're like, all right, the rest you go fuck off or whatever, dude, what are you going to do?
53:50 --> 53:52 I hope you like Isla.
53:52 --> 53:59 Yeah. Find other characters because the one that you really connected to the whole time is no longer part of your party.
53:59 --> 54:17 Well, and then right after that happens, you wander around and you find Magus. And the first time I didn't understand the options here, and he's like, do you want to fight? And I had frog in my party.
54:17 --> 54:18 Oh, it's epic.
54:18 --> 54:19 Yeah, me lost the shit.
54:19 --> 54:23 Oh, yeah. I think that fight lasted two and a half minutes.
54:23 --> 54:40 Yeah. That fight is amazing though, when you have frog. Okay, so when I first did with frog, I beat him. And that moment is great. You just feel like he got his revenge, but it's felt so hollow because what was the point of it? All right, it's such a great moment.
54:42 --> 55:03 But then after long haired Vegeta, after I was used to wipe the walls, I went and redid that. I reloaded and I went and redid that. And this time I said, no, I don't want to fight. And, well, we all know what happens when you say, no, I don't want to fight.
55:07 --> 55:07 Him.
55:07 --> 55:08 In the 30.
55:10 --> 55:14 After Magus gives you about 17 swirlies, he joins you.
55:16 --> 55:37 Yeah, Magus has the big disappointment of he's got some hard hitting spells right off the bat, but he doesn't have any good combo techs. Like, I don't think he has any unless you equip a rock in somebody's equipment slot. And then it's like, well, now they're not getting their accessory. They have to carry this stupid rock.
55:38 --> 56:11 I always like to think of it this way, and it doesn't make it right, wrong or indifferent. But you've been traveling together as a group for a long time, so you've learned each other's attacks. And then Magus, whatever, is such a. Like, he's such a one man wolf pack already that he's just there with you to try and solve his issues so he doesn't bother to learn what everybody else did unless you give him a fucking rock. You're like, here, here's a colorful stone. Will you do something cool with us? And he's like, yeah, fuck, whatever. And he does it.
56:11 --> 56:13 His triple triggers do you get when.
56:13 --> 56:16 You talk to him? I mean, Jesus Christ. Well, that's the thing.
56:16 --> 56:25 He's like the silent protagonist when Chrono dies. He's a hidden character for all intents and purposes. He might be not the hardest hidden character to find, but he is a hidden character, so he's bonus, really.
56:25 --> 56:27 He's the Vincent of Chrono trigger.
56:27 --> 56:54 Totally. That's exactly what he is. Right? But the triple tech you get with him, he does it with Luca and Marl, and it looks cool. It's like the screen goes flashing Starfield, the triangles, 3d, moving around in space. It looks awesome. Nowhere near as good as luminaire or anything. It's cool looking, but that's him. He's cool looking, and I like him. I love his theme, but he's not a great character in your party.
56:54 --> 57:06 I never saw it. Well, I worked to get him all of his tech points, and then after that, I was like, hey, go sit in the back of the bus.
57:07 --> 57:13 Did you have the black rock? Because that's the rock that's hidden in the hidden new fight earlier in the game.
57:14 --> 57:15 I doubt it.
57:15 --> 57:44 I mean, think of it this way. You're a kid, 1995, and one of the big baddies that you probably had trouble with fighting is now capable of joining your team. And you're like, what? This guy wants to fight with me? Fuck yeah, you're joining my team. You carry a scythe. That's cool as shit. Join the team. He's got black magic. That's sick as hell. And it's really not.
57:45 --> 57:49 Lightning two. Way better now.
57:49 --> 57:58 Yeah, he's got all the level two spells, but you didn't have Chrono at the time, so you're like, well, he's going to make up for the stuff I'm lacking. So you go back and get Chrono.
57:58 --> 58:00 Yeah, I don't have the black rock. I'm looking right now.
58:00 --> 58:06 I don't have the red rock, blue, black, gold, silver, brown.
58:06 --> 58:07 I have the gold.
58:10 --> 58:13 You catch one of them from the things, throwing them at you?
58:15 --> 58:40 That one I definitely did. Yeah. And then the other one was made for you by what's his name after you produce the moonstone. Yeah. Melkior. Melchior makes you anyway.
58:40 --> 58:55 But then you have the option to complete the game without Chrono on your team. Or you can delve into the side quest of getting the Chrono trigger and finding his ass, which is a fucking egg. Sounds good for me.
58:55 --> 58:55 You know what's funny?
58:55 --> 58:56 The moment.
58:58 --> 59:09 So going back to the soundtrack of this game real quick, this is a game that. The soundtrack I loved so much that I actually went and bought the imported soundtrack on CD that year.
59:09 --> 59:10 Nice.
59:11 --> 59:42 And so you see it on my shelf behind me here. I've had that since 1996. And imagine my surprise when I got to the end of disc two and there was a song that I did not hear in the game. And I do think it specifies, like, in English that it was unreleased or something like that, or not in the game on the disc. So I was like, what? And even that song is a banger. I was like, why didn't they put this in the game?
59:44 --> 59:48 Didn't they add some of the songs? Because they added locations in the DS version, if I remember right.
59:48 --> 59:59 So that area that they added in the DS and iOS version. And I think it's on Steam as well. That track is called Singing Mountain. They added it to that new area. That's like a challenge area.
01:00:00 --> 01:00:01 Such a.
01:00:01 --> 01:00:18 And it's. So there was like a jazz remix album that was out around the same time that I would see. And it had like this weird. The COVID was weird. You make fun of it. The soundtrack. That album is fucking banger.
01:00:18 --> 01:00:23 But I'm sure it is. It's just jazz. Cover album from a JrBg.
01:00:23 --> 01:00:34 Okay. The album was called Brink of Time. And I'd look at it and I always went like, why is it a half eaten egg on a plate? Like, that was. The album cover was a half eaten.
01:00:34 --> 01:00:35 Egg on a plate.
01:00:36 --> 01:00:39 And it just occurred to me, fuck, it's the time egg.
01:00:41 --> 01:00:47 Well, you remember what I said about Ozzy, flea and slash? I didn't get that until my second.
01:00:47 --> 01:00:50 Time through literal Easter eggs in the.
01:00:50 --> 01:00:56 Game, by the way. Blue rock, silver rock, white rock, gold rock. Those are the ones I have.
01:00:56 --> 01:00:56 Yeah.
01:00:56 --> 01:01:50 Got you on great renditions of chrono trigger songs. Malcolm Robinson does, like, a full arrangement. He's on Spotify. We're going to give this guy a little love. I've probably added maybe 1 listens to this guy's playlist because I literally live on this guy's album. It's fantastic. It's all rearranged songs. It's not the entire soundtrack, but it's the important ones. Wind scene, memories of green, secret of the forest, corridors of time, blah, blah, blah, frogs theme, all that stuff. Fantastic, fantastic renditions of that. And then just go find the DS one. That's the other one that has the actual soundtrack of the game all on Spotify. But Malcolm Robinson, go check him out. Give him a follow.
01:01:50 --> 01:01:50 All right.
01:01:50 --> 01:01:51 That guy. Some love.
01:01:51 --> 01:01:58 Is there much difference in the DS version versus the Sness one? I've never played it, so I haven't seen any of that cut content. There is content.
01:01:58 --> 01:01:58 So it has the.
01:01:59 --> 01:02:00 There's like an additional.
01:02:00 --> 01:02:12 Yeah, the animated scenes from the PlayStation. It's got those. It's got an extra segment that's like all challenge stuff. But I think it gives you some more goodies that are kind of top tier.
01:02:12 --> 01:02:13 Okay.
01:02:13 --> 01:02:26 I don't recall because I never played through the DS version enough to get to that point. Like, I got to that point, but I wasn't good enough to. Strong enough to do anything. And I just finish it.
01:02:26 --> 01:02:26 Yeah.
01:02:26 --> 01:02:34 For whatever. I didn't want to play it on the DS. I wanted to play it. I didn't want to play it on the DS at the time, was the problem.
01:02:34 --> 01:02:42 Yeah. It's weird playing a double screen on my computer. It's definitely kind of bizarre looking up all the time and not seeing what's on the bottom.
01:02:42 --> 01:02:50 I've seriously considered getting this for Steam to have that extra content and play through it, even though I know people have complained about the Steam version, too. So I don't know what to do.
01:02:50 --> 01:02:52 I've heard they fixed it.
01:02:53 --> 01:02:53 Yes.
01:02:54 --> 01:02:54 Okay.
01:02:54 --> 01:02:57 They fixed the font. The fonts back to what? Eraser. I think it's like a better version.
01:02:57 --> 01:03:02 Of bucks right now on Steam. It's like with the winter sale. It's worth picking up right now. Yeah.
01:03:03 --> 01:03:08 As a joke. I started it up today to see if I could get it to pop up on charred screen that I was.
01:03:08 --> 01:03:11 Playing, that I did not have my steam running.
01:03:11 --> 01:03:15 And the font and stuff looked good. So I think that that's been fixed.
01:03:16 --> 01:03:27 Yeah. I'm still hanging on that, on my wish list. I'm like, just fucking pull it. But I've got so many fucking versions of it. I'm like, do I really need to spend $7 on a game? I already fucking have, like, nine versions.
01:03:27 --> 01:03:31 Play Skyrim. You can never have enough copies of Skyrim. Same thing with Cron trigger, I guess.
01:03:31 --> 01:03:34 I guess. Disagree.
01:03:35 --> 01:03:42 I have two copies of Slay the spire these days because my steam deck, I needed it on the steam deck.
01:03:42 --> 01:03:46 Oh, yeah. The DS version also had, like, a versus arena mode.
01:03:46 --> 01:03:56 Yeah, there's a coliseum, like, whole section that you could do some cool stuff with that has a lot of achievements attached to it. Thanks a lot, Ra. So we'll see how that works.
01:03:56 --> 01:04:00 Yeah. Are you going to badge this one chart? Is that what you're planning to do?
01:04:01 --> 01:04:28 I have it up, and I was getting badges for it, but we'll see. I don't know. I haven't decided yet. I badged the Super Nintendo version of it. I've seen all twelve endings, but I haven't seen any of the new DS ones. I'm just going to play it fairly normal and beef up at the mother brain conveyor belt and then just kind of see what happens beyond that point. So we'll see.
01:04:28 --> 01:04:37 I basically got every character up to in the 60s on that conveyor belt. And then, as I said, I just walked through the end.
01:04:39 --> 01:04:50 Fast forward and let it ride, baby. Go get a drink. Just come back to get them back on the bear belt. That's all you got to do. It's such a great way to level up.
01:04:52 --> 01:04:58 Nice. Well, I think I've given my impressions. I definitely have more to say.
01:04:58 --> 01:05:33 Talk about. But the fucking russian doll battle at the end of the game, because I'll tell you what you're seeing that was so many aspects and so many different things, and you finally, like, you get obliterated by him with zeal on his shoulder or on one of its shells or whatever you're seeing. The lavo spawn are all over death peak. So in your head you're like, this is it. This is the big bad. This is what I got to take out. And when you fight him, he's massive. On your screen, for a pixelated game.
01:05:33 --> 01:05:36 That'S a giant, right? Yeah.
01:05:37 --> 01:05:48 Enormous. And then you fight it and you fucking beat it, and its face melts off or its beak or whatever, and it's more shit.
01:05:48 --> 01:05:52 Then you're like, I'll go in there. Yeah, inside.
01:05:53 --> 01:06:14 And then it's a fucking spaceship. And you're fighting fucking robocop alien predator thing, and you beat the shit out of that, and then there's another fight after that. And even that when you finally beat it at the end, you're like, that wasn't what I was anticipating happening.
01:06:14 --> 01:06:21 And with a trick that the thing that you actually have to destroy is not the humanoid looking thing.
01:06:21 --> 01:06:21 Yes.
01:06:21 --> 01:06:21 Yeah.
01:06:21 --> 01:06:23 Not that weird humanoid duck.
01:06:25 --> 01:06:32 It's the left. It's the left module. But you have to kill the right module or else it heals everything. Right.
01:06:32 --> 01:06:37 Lavos is a fucking little fucking metroid. Upside down mushroom.
01:06:37 --> 01:06:46 Yeah. Aren't the names of the enemies in that fight Lavos? Lavos bit and Lavos bit. And I think so to assume that the center one is Lavos, because it's.
01:06:46 --> 01:06:47 A big thing as Lavos, the other.
01:06:47 --> 01:06:49 Two that you're like, oh, yeah, those are both Lavos bits.
01:06:50 --> 01:07:03 It's so brilliant. It is so brilliant. When you kill it, you're like, oh, fuck, the game's over. Hey. What? I just tried to get rid of that bit and then you went, it's so good. God, it's so good.
01:07:03 --> 01:07:06 Well, yeah, go ahead.
01:07:06 --> 01:07:32 What I really appreciate about that fight is that you can skip the first part of that entire fight. Right, I remember. You can hop on board your plane time machine thing and have a whole sequence where you rev it up to ramming speed and it has the animations and the ball of fire as you fly toward it. Collision course. And you obliterate the opening of it and you end up wake up inside of it. The fact that you can skip that opening Bosch Rush scene is funny to me. I love how they did that.
01:07:32 --> 01:07:42 Okay. I was talking to another streamer about this game and he said, oh, the ship. I destroyed the ship. And I was sad about that. Is that what happens?
01:07:43 --> 01:07:43 Yes.
01:07:44 --> 01:07:52 Okay. Because my ending, the little ship, you see it flying across the sky in each of the time zone or each of the time period.
01:07:54 --> 01:08:00 And that main ending has four variants, depending on things you do or don't do.
01:08:01 --> 01:08:02 Yeah.
01:08:04 --> 01:08:06 Brilliant. Brilliant.
01:08:06 --> 01:08:16 It's like twelve endings, but there's lots of small little touches or details to those endings, which is really cool. Whether you get frog, whether the frog is cured or not is, I think, one of the variations. It's cool stuff like that.
01:08:19 --> 01:08:27 The game's good, guys. If you haven't played Chrono, trigger it off your ass and shut up. Go play. It says it all.
01:08:27 --> 01:08:55 I want to talk about something else here. Were any of you, and by this I'm referring specifically to Jake in chard here, swept up in the what happened to shala discussion at the time because that was all over the gaming magazines, what happened to shala? And people would write in letters, I have a theory that if you could do this, you could find shala or something like that. So the hunt for shala was like.
01:08:55 --> 01:09:11 How it's like getting the power to cure Erith. Get out of mean. Yes, I want to know more. And I'd love to have shawl on her team. Honestly. I was hoping that she might join the team at one point because supposed to be a pretty powerful.
01:09:13 --> 01:09:14 But, uh.
01:09:14 --> 01:09:20 You get a hint of her in cross. I guess if you finish cross the right way, you get a hint, but yeah.
01:09:20 --> 01:09:50 Let me tell you how pissed I was at how cross handled this, okay? This is the biggest reason that cross is a piece of shit, is because the developers said, fuck you, fans. We're throwing it out the window. And that's what you get. So in Chronocross, you meet Shala very early on, and you have no fucking clue that it's shala because she doesn't have the goddamn purple hair. She's a.
01:09:53 --> 01:09:57 Wait. Hair dye exists, my friend. Hair dye exists.
01:09:57 --> 01:09:58 No, she doesn't remember.
01:09:59 --> 01:10:00 Not of this dimension.
01:10:00 --> 01:10:02 And she's got blonde hair.
01:10:03 --> 01:10:03 Yeah.
01:10:04 --> 01:10:14 And so when the big reveal is that, oh, she's shala, I was like, fuck no, she's not. Like, this is garbage. I was so mad at.
01:10:14 --> 01:10:16 Not my shala.
01:10:16 --> 01:10:20 That's kid, right? I'm sorry to spoiler Cross, but that was kid, right?
01:10:20 --> 01:10:22 Yes, it was kid.
01:10:22 --> 01:10:25 Okay. Yeah, I kind of blocked that part of the game out of my mind.
01:10:25 --> 01:10:34 Scala, who seems like such a gentle soul, becomes this thieving, fucking rap scout boy.
01:10:36 --> 01:10:46 Look, she was a princess with a very controlling, evil mother. If that was not in play, then maybe she's free and she gets to do whatever she wants and she's going to rebel a little bit. I mean, I don't blame her. It's fine.
01:10:46 --> 01:10:47 No, I don't know.
01:10:47 --> 01:10:54 Yes, it's stupid. If she had purple hair, would that have made you happier? Because you can probably get a mod for that if you really want.
01:10:54 --> 01:11:02 Had she had purple hair, it would not have been a secret. And that's why they did, right? They made her blonde so you wouldn't realize it. But she wasn't blonde.
01:11:02 --> 01:11:07 Maybe her memories were tied to the hair dye and when they bleached it, she just forgot.
01:11:08 --> 01:11:18 No, the end of the game is like, all of a sudden she gets her memories back when she's combined with whatever the lavos like creature is in this one. I don't remember the time eater or some shit?
01:11:18 --> 01:11:19 Something like that, yeah.
01:11:19 --> 01:11:38 And so she gets merged with that thing that's like a Lavos ish monster, and you fight that. That's the moment you realize that she's shala and she realizes she's not. Kid. It's so stupid. I'm sorry for the chronocross spoilers, but that game's not worth playing. Thank you.
01:11:39 --> 01:11:40 Okay.
01:11:40 --> 01:11:41 Thank you.
01:11:41 --> 01:12:07 I don't want to derail the conversation, but it is maybe not for the plot and the ultimate payoff, but the gameplay in that game still holds up. I know the character's lore is not so good with 50 characters or 45 characters, but the gameplay and how you use the melee attacks to build up meter for your spells, the countless spells you can equip, it's a good gameplay game. If it was not called Chrono, you probably would have liked a lot more. It's like a Zelda two problem.
01:12:07 --> 01:12:13 I'm not saying I. Jake, your thing's broken. Jake, your arcade broke.
01:12:14 --> 01:12:17 No, that looks pretty good. That's hidden general.
01:12:17 --> 01:12:20 Something's wrong with the screen. I don't like that at all.
01:12:20 --> 01:13:25 Yeah, the game was not terrible, but it was a big fuck you to Chrono trigger fans. I felt like ultimately, and that was the problem I had with. Mechanically, it was decent. And what they did with the dialogue tech was really cool. The fact that any characters could be in that spot and have the same dialogue interactions, but with their dialect, their accents, and whatnot, because it was all handled by a subsystem that presented the text to the player in a certain way based on how that character should talk. So that way they didn't write the script, what, 40 times? Right? It's super cool. But just the fact that kid ultimately ended up being shallow with the huge thing that was what happened to Shala. Where is Shala? All this? You were finding that I'm over here and Game pro and everything for, like, two years, and then we get Chronocross a few years later, and that's what they went with.
01:13:26 --> 01:13:33 It's fine. I think you're too upset about the smallest thing. It's not Elden ring. The lore is not that important to this game.
01:13:34 --> 01:13:36 I did like player. My God. Wait.
01:13:36 --> 01:13:39 Game in Chrono trigger. She wasn't.
01:13:43 --> 01:13:50 A big enough point in Chrono Trigger that she was the reason that Magus was doing what he was doing.
01:13:50 --> 01:13:56 Yeah, he's the reason he was trying to get lavos back. So we can fucking murder him.
01:13:56 --> 01:13:59 Listen, shala is origin story.
01:14:00 --> 01:14:36 Chronocross should not have Chrono anywhere in it. Name it. Dimension. Cross. Done. Game's good. Game would be great. There's no time travel in it. There's no intertwining. You're going to take something that is like Chrono Trigger. That story is so people get so invested in every single character, then you're going to give you 45 fucking characters in a game and say, that is somehow related to this, and then I'm going to get triggered. I'm already triggered. This game, Chronocross should not be anywhere in the same vein. It's terrible.
01:14:36 --> 01:14:36 Awful.
01:14:36 --> 01:14:49 Hate it. You know what it is, though? This is the Marvel movie thing again. Chard. Okay. First they go back in time, and they spend two movies going back in time, and then now what? They're doing the whole multiverse thing, and that's what it is. Chrono trigger. Chrono Trigger was time travel. Chrono Cross is about the multiverse.
01:14:49 --> 01:14:50 I have to interrupt.
01:14:50 --> 01:14:53 Marvel has stolen the idea from square. There should be a lawsuit.
01:14:53 --> 01:14:59 Jake, I have to probably already was. I have to interrupt. Your background can go pound sand.
01:15:00 --> 01:15:07 Oh, wow. It's really broken. Video game it was doing was. I don't know, man. You made her get that thing reset.
01:15:07 --> 01:15:13 You don't like Chronocross. You don't like circus Charlie. You don't like games with the start with the letter c, apparently. I don't know. This is Chrono Trigger.
01:15:13 --> 01:15:16 Trigger starts with A-C-I don't know.
01:15:16 --> 01:15:18 Then you play it wrong. But it's okay.
01:15:18 --> 01:15:19 I play it wrong.
01:15:19 --> 01:15:20 I beat it.
01:15:20 --> 01:15:24 Badged it. What have you done, Derek?
01:15:24 --> 01:15:25 You've on nothing.
01:15:26 --> 01:15:29 I beat it.
01:15:30 --> 01:15:42 Interesting that Chrono triggers world map is essentially Earth. I don't know if you guys picked up on Earth.
01:15:43 --> 01:15:53 It actually has a view from space that I was like, blue planet. That looks a little bit like the continents of.
01:15:57 --> 01:16:02 Like, it's weird. Of Earth kind of.
01:16:03 --> 01:16:11 Mean. You know what that means, though? Because when you start the game where you're located, that's technically Canada. So Chrono is canadian.
01:16:11 --> 01:16:16 He could be. He does seem to have a lot. His hair looks like a maple leaf. I'm just saying.
01:16:17 --> 01:16:18 There you go. Okay.
01:16:18 --> 01:16:20 Or a sideshow Bob, whichever you.
01:16:21 --> 01:16:25 He probably likes circus Charlie. If he's canadian, he's got cats.
01:16:25 --> 01:16:27 That's why he's so quiet.
01:16:27 --> 01:16:33 Okay. So quiet because he's. Sorry.
01:16:34 --> 01:16:35 Sorry.
01:16:36 --> 01:16:40 See, if I sacrifice myself to a giant space tick for you, asshole. Okay.
01:16:42 --> 01:16:46 Yeah. But at the end if we all died to some giant space tick, you'd be.
01:16:48 --> 01:16:50 Space tech. Sorry.
01:16:50 --> 01:16:58 Well, it's funny. So if Chrono is canadian, Luca is what, Cuban?
01:16:58 --> 01:17:00 Puerto Rican probably, yeah.
01:17:00 --> 01:17:02 Puerto Rican, probably, yeah. That fits.
01:17:02 --> 01:17:05 Yeah, because she's on the little island just south of the.
01:17:07 --> 01:17:10 Very small, very small earth.
01:17:13 --> 01:17:14 Wow.
01:17:15 --> 01:17:17 Well, that was a segue.
01:17:23 --> 01:17:40 This game touches me in all the right places. It's just such a great playthrough. I'm happy you finally knocked it out. We've been waiting to talk about this with you for a very long time. So what is your final verdict, Sinistar?
01:17:41 --> 01:18:32 My final verdict? I would honestly have a hard time telling you whether earthbound or Chrono Trigger is the better rpg on Super Nintendo. I love them both. They are very different games. They are very different games. Right? Like, the whole joy to Earthbound is, it's just charming in all of these weird ass ways. And then there's corona trigger, which is more kind of that core JRPG with some cool time travel and some amazing backstories. Right? And so I would have a hard time telling you, I would probably rank them as, like, shared first position for rpg on the Super Nintendo for sure. So I loved it. I loved it.
01:18:32 --> 01:18:55 Awesome. That's why I have a bad time ranking like, six and Chrono trigger over either one of them because they are fairly different. They're similar, but they're also very different in their own aspects. And it's hard because there's things about this one I love and things about that one I love, and it's hard to choose a real lead. So they're always tied for first every fucking time.
01:18:57 --> 01:19:48 Yeah, it's definitely a different style of game. I've said this before, I do like the Final Fantasy franchise. I do like a lot of those games. It's just a struggle for me to go back and play them now because it feels too grindy with how many battles you have to do. I never have that issue with Chrono Trigger. I never had that issue with Mario RPG. Just something about the. I don't want to call streamlined or light, but it's just a different kind of JRPG. It's still an rpg. There's still stats and levels and monsters to kill, but it doesn't feel like there's that many encounters. Even though in Crone trigger especially, you can skip battles if you really wanted to, there's areas where you can bypass fights, although I never felt the need to because there's not so many of them where I felt annoyed by them. Right. There are some games on this nest where there's a battle every three steps randomly. I never like that. To play that like that today.
01:19:48 --> 01:20:04 Yeah. I really dislike a game that doesn't show you your enemy on the map. Right. So that you either know it's coming or whatever. And yeah, seriously, when RNG is literally like, step fight, step fight, step fight.
01:20:04 --> 01:20:05 Yeah, it wears thin.
01:20:06 --> 01:20:17 And through most of chrono trigger, that is true. But you do hit points where all of a sudden it's like, well, this monster was just hidden out of sight. You couldn't avoid it. No matter what further you progress.
01:20:19 --> 01:20:24 It'S different than just being walking along and all of a sudden the fight screen just starts.
01:20:25 --> 01:20:34 Yeah, it's still like a scheduled point. It's not like random battle that you could get in over and over and over. It's just a battle you did not foresee.
01:20:34 --> 01:20:35 Right.
01:20:35 --> 01:21:31 I'll give you a good example of a scene early on that I love in Krono Trigger is when you get arrested and you're thrown in prison and the prison escape sequences and you can stealth your way through if you really want, sneaking up behind the enemies and knocking them out. And this is a JRPG. You can stealth or you can fight your way through. And just that whole sequence of battles, it wasn't random. It felt part of the story. It was fun to do. It felt integrated tightly to. It didn't feel like there was too many battles in that sequence. And then you ended off by doing a 2d sequence, crossing a bridge and fighting like a weird dinosaur tank thing. That whole sequence of fights felt that was the game and it felt tight. It felt really well designed. Whereas Final Fantasy six, I feel like they throw random enemy types like you're in a basement. Okay, here's the enemies. There's a toad, there's a lady with a cigar. For some reason, it's just random enemies that didn't fit the theme of the area.
01:21:31 --> 01:21:32 Calm down.
01:21:32 --> 01:22:01 Whatever she's vaping, that's fine, but it didn't fit the area. Right. The only time, I think, found that six had enemies that fit the area was when there's the houses on fire, which in that case, why were you fighting flames for five minutes against flames in a fire, a burning house? It never made sense to me. Right. So crown Trigger made more sense. And just overall, the game is so much shorter. And I think that makes the difference for me. I think grow triggered is my favorite game now, but maybe as a kid I probably would have liked Final Fantasy six more, but it definitely flipped now.
01:22:01 --> 01:22:28 And something I meant to bring up when we started the episode. The other kind of thing that I feel is funny enough. Chrono trigger and earthbound, if you look up how long to beat, they basically have essentially the same time. Right. They're both like, sub 30 hours games, right. And really, you want an rpg to be a chonker, but you don't want.
01:22:28 --> 01:22:32 It to be like, 214 hours. It really opens up.
01:22:32 --> 01:22:35 Yeah, well, this game really opened up.
01:22:35 --> 01:22:37 Fantasy 13 372.
01:22:37 --> 01:22:39 It's really good after 100 hours.
01:22:39 --> 01:22:52 That's one of the great solid after three. That's one of the great things about Chrono Trigger is, like, it could be a 20 hours game or it could be a 200 hours game. It depends on how much you wanted to do and how badly you want to see all the endings, right?
01:22:53 --> 01:22:53 Yeah.
01:22:53 --> 01:22:54 Yes.
01:22:55 --> 01:22:56 No.
01:22:56 --> 01:22:59 Oscar, you want that new game plus. Yeah, for sure.
01:22:59 --> 01:23:28 Sorry, I'm responding. Oscar said, I remember earthbound taking forever to beat. I beat earthbound streaming, and I gave up streaming rpgs because streaming rpgs suck. And I didn't feel like, no, there's a slog factor to streaming rpgs. Right. And I never felt that with earthbound. I did parasite Eve, and I gave up on parasite Eve because I was so tired of.
01:23:28 --> 01:23:36 Unless you're going for the one in 128 drop. Yeah, that's true. Thanks, Ra.
01:23:40 --> 01:23:55 I think probably Earthbound is a little longer if you include all of the side stuff you can do. But the main story, which gives you the meat of the story, which I feel like the side quests in Chrono trigger need to be done to give you the meat of the story.
01:23:59 --> 01:24:32 If we're talking a chicken leg for Chrono Trigger, the very start is that if you're thinking of, like, a cartoon chicken leg, where it's got the bone, right, and then, like, the meaty big in right, the whole start of Chrono Trigger is a little bone, and the Chrono dies, and then it turns in the big, meaty part of the bone, and you could eat around that if you want to, or you could just fucking dive into that bitch and get all the fucking side quests and really fucking chomp down, and you'll be like, wow, I'm not hungry anymore. This game is fantastic. Or you could starve yourself and go fight lavos.
01:24:32 --> 01:24:36 I both love this analogy and find it the weirdest fucking analogy I've ever.
01:24:36 --> 01:24:41 187 episodes. And Char is now using chicken legs as analogy.
01:24:41 --> 01:24:45 James, what you got to do is a turkey leg.
01:24:45 --> 01:24:52 Well, if you're eating dim sum and they bring out chicken legs, that's earthbound. If they.
01:24:53 --> 01:24:55 Yeah, depending on. Depending on the.
01:24:59 --> 01:25:06 You know, circus Charlie is like a chicken breast. I don't just. It's just tender and juicy and it's just over before you know it.
01:25:06 --> 01:25:11 Circus Charlie is like a fucking spinal bone with nothing in the middle.
01:25:11 --> 01:25:15 It's a chicken nugget that they forgot to put the nugget in.
01:25:15 --> 01:25:18 Mechanically separated meats.
01:25:18 --> 01:25:25 Hey, chicken skin is pretty delicious, okay? Don't knock it. It's fine. It's crispy and delicious. It's a delicacy.
01:25:26 --> 01:25:28 McFucking Charlie.
01:25:30 --> 01:25:34 Just leave it at McFuckin'we're.
01:25:34 --> 01:25:42 Going to play through McFuckin'today. Don't do.
01:25:44 --> 01:25:53 Any Oscar. Oscar's starting earthbound. I hope you can enjoy it. Live the charm. Live the charm.
01:25:54 --> 01:25:55 Yeah, it is different.
01:25:55 --> 01:25:59 It's a totally different rpg, but it's so charming.
01:25:59 --> 01:26:02 That's a game I've not played through either.
01:26:02 --> 01:26:03 Same.
01:26:03 --> 01:26:25 It's good because I didn't get the hype. I didn't get the hype. I didn't understand it, and then I sat down and I played it and we badged it. And honestly, when I was done, it's like, that was really good. It was really good. I don't feel like I was as emotionally attached to it as I was, say, chrono trigger or even Final Fantasy six, but it was really good. I would play it again at some point.
01:26:25 --> 01:26:41 You probably loved it front to back, though. And honestly, the soundtrack, especially in the final battles, it's weird, but it flaps, it doesn't. It fucks on that final battle.
01:26:41 --> 01:26:41 That's kind of fun.
01:26:42 --> 01:26:48 Yeah, fucking anyways, chrono trigger. Earthbound's great, don't get me wrong.
01:26:48 --> 01:26:49 Yeah.
01:26:51 --> 01:27:03 For me, I know you and six. For Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy six, me and Earthbound, it's a toss up on which one I liked better, and I love them both.
01:27:03 --> 01:27:06 They're both great games to have up there in the top, to be honest.
01:27:06 --> 01:27:11 Gollum and black Omen even included having.
01:27:11 --> 01:27:15 Finally beaten my Sisyphean game this year. Final Fantasy six.
01:27:16 --> 01:27:16 Speaking of.
01:27:16 --> 01:27:33 Still got to go Chrono Trigger. I think Chrono trigger edges out six, and I have a game informer from years ago where they did the top 100 rpgs of all time. Chrono Trigger was number three. Final Fantasy six was number two.
01:27:33 --> 01:27:33 Six was number one.
01:27:33 --> 01:27:36 Number two. What was number one? Earthbound was number one, wasn't it?
01:27:36 --> 01:27:38 Skyrim Skyrim.
01:27:39 --> 01:27:41 Get out of here. The fuck out of here.
01:27:41 --> 01:27:43 I like Skyrim, but come on.
01:27:45 --> 01:27:50 I may like oblivion a little bit better than Skyrim, honestly. Anyway.
01:27:51 --> 01:28:00 Well, after beating my sisyphean game this year of Doom three, I still think that Chrono trigger is the better game. Jake, how say you? How do you feel?
01:28:03 --> 01:28:05 We have an episode to talk about.
01:28:05 --> 01:28:07 Yeah, we're going to do our episode on that soon.
01:28:07 --> 01:28:09 In a couple of weeks. We're just playing the.
01:28:09 --> 01:28:12 Well, I'll talk about it then, since I've beaten it.
01:28:12 --> 01:28:20 If you really want to see how battose is going, I did do a video on YouTube of me playing it. Feel free to check it out on the channel.
01:28:20 --> 01:28:21 I love you, Jake.
01:28:21 --> 01:28:22 Fuck that game.
01:28:22 --> 01:28:23 Don't be mad at us.
01:28:23 --> 01:28:24 It's all right.
01:28:24 --> 01:28:27 I think GP is going to spin it with me. That's fine.
01:28:27 --> 01:28:43 Gentlemen, I think we've beaten a dead robot frog or whatever Megus to death on this. No, I think we've had a great conversation. Any other thoughts or points that you want to bring up?
01:28:47 --> 01:28:50 Listen to the soundtrack. Listen to the soundtrack.
01:28:51 --> 01:29:03 Yeah, listen to the soundtrack. For sure. Listen to remixes and variations of the soundtrack. Because it's all like, there's so much good to pull from, from this soundtrack that even the remixes can't miss.
01:29:04 --> 01:29:09 Yeah, I mean, it's no Super Mario RPG soundtrack.
01:29:10 --> 01:29:10 Yeah.
01:29:11 --> 01:29:13 And that's a good thing.
01:29:13 --> 01:29:20 I'm glad you finally turned around on Super Mario RPG and that you best rpgs on this nest.
01:29:20 --> 01:29:22 Chrono Trigger, man.
01:29:24 --> 01:29:27 Chrono trigger needs more whistles, apparently.
01:29:27 --> 01:29:42 Look, if Mary RPG was that bad, then why is CF stars half Mary RPG and half Chrono trigger? And you guys love the only good thing because of the timing, the battle timing. Timing is totally super Mario RPG influence.
01:29:42 --> 01:29:46 That's the only good thing Mario GarPG did. Like everything else.
01:29:50 --> 01:30:02 We're going to take a car analogy. I have a nice fucking bugatti, but the tires on this pacer are really nice. So I'm just going to take the wheels off the pacer and put it on the bugatti.
01:30:04 --> 01:30:10 You know what? You're right. Beetlemania makes Mario RPG so much better than Chrono triggers.
01:30:11 --> 01:30:15 Chard, can you equate this to a chicken leg?
01:30:15 --> 01:30:20 Yeah. I need to pull to your reference, please. Let's get this going. This is now your brand.
01:30:20 --> 01:30:39 It's the chicken wing. Okay, so first of all, the meat is all over it, right? Then you bite into it and you're hitting nothing but fucking bones. And you wish you had a leg pheasant wing and it splinters in your mouth and you cry. It's like a quail egg.
01:30:40 --> 01:31:11 Awesome. Well, okay, so listen to the soundtrack. Play the game. I'm glad I worked my way past the fair. I'm glad I worked my way past the golem. Even though I complain about the black omen. I was far enough in, I'd done enough side quests that I had already hit the charm, and so I just worked my way through it. But everything else is perfect game.
01:31:14 --> 01:31:18 It's definitely one of those must plays from the 16 bit era.
01:31:18 --> 01:31:19 Yeah.
01:31:21 --> 01:31:26 Yes. Number one game you must play before you perish on this planet.
01:31:26 --> 01:31:31 And it's kind of like, as far, it's a very accessible rpg at that.
01:31:32 --> 01:31:35 Yeah, we put it on our top 100.
01:31:36 --> 01:31:36 Yeah.
01:31:39 --> 01:31:44 I think it was the first one. That chart's like, I'm just going, good, okay.
01:31:44 --> 01:31:48 Because there's some we missed. And I'm like, what the hell? Are we on? Okay, good. All right. It's there.
01:31:48 --> 01:31:51 Earthbound, Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy Vi.
01:31:51 --> 01:31:56 Are all on that list, as is four. Final Fantasy Four is as well.
01:31:56 --> 01:31:56 As.
01:31:56 --> 01:32:23 Well. Well, little spoiler. Next week, we have pre recorded an episode, so we will not be live next week. But it is kind of the return of GP and hopefully he can continue with us. It is all five of us next week. It pertains specifically as the top 100, and I think we'll probably put it on as a premiere or whatever you call it. And I'll hang out and chat while we watch it.
01:32:23 --> 01:32:25 Yes, I'll make sure it's premiere. That'd be great. Yeah.
01:32:25 --> 01:32:33 Cool. Awesome. Well, we appreciate. Unless anybody else has something else they.
01:32:33 --> 01:33:01 Want to, hey, happy holidays, happy yule, happy Christmas, happy Hanukkah, happy Kwanzaa, happy whatever you celebrate, even if it's deep, dark blackness, whatever you want to celebrate, I hope you have an absolutely wonderful holiday with your family, with yourself, with your pets, with your kids, with your cats, with your hamsters, with your chicken legs. Enjoy. And from Presbyter, cancel. To your family, happy holidays.
01:33:01 --> 01:33:16 Yes. While you're here, give us a, like, give us a subscribe, give us all that stuff. Ring the bell so you get notified. Tell your friends we're working our way toward 500 subscribers, please. I'm going to shill for it.
01:33:16 --> 01:33:17 Shill, do it.
01:33:17 --> 01:33:38 Yeah. Join us to chat in our discord. You can find the links over on pressbytocancel.com. And if you watch this on YouTube or whatever and you want to listen to us on the audio version. You can find us basically wherever audio podcasts live. And if it's not there, yell at Jake.
01:33:38 --> 01:33:39 Yep.
01:33:39 --> 01:34:04 Let me yeah, barring today too, we also stream over on Twitch. We're trying to get this double stream going. We don't know what happened. It usually works. So go follow us on Twitch too because we're trying to get that affiliate number up as well. And we will get that technical difficulty hopefully fixed after next weekend. Because since this will be a premiere and pre recorded, well, we might upload it on Twitch. We'll figure out how to do that, but it will be over here.
01:34:04 --> 01:34:06 Other than that, we'll figure it out.
01:34:06 --> 01:34:17 Hopefully start seeing us, seeing us over there as well. So thank you everybody for coming to hang out. Thank you for making another fantastic year for us. Because by the time we come back, it's going to be 2024, I think.
01:34:17 --> 01:34:17 Yeah.
01:34:18 --> 01:34:19 Happy New year to you guys too.
01:34:19 --> 01:34:27 Our best year yet. Honestly, in terms of people watching and interaction, I think the quality of our episode has been better. This has been a great year for crispy, for sure. Absolutely.
01:34:27 --> 01:34:30 All right, anybody got an outro?
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