Geek Addicts - Episode 55: Discussing The MCU!

[00:00:05] The following is a GNC Podcast Production Pop Culture Podcast.

[00:00:42] Hello everybody and welcome back to Geek Addicts, the pop culture podcast where we end up going bankrupt and have to sell our movie rights to a whole bunch of different studios and then we have to deal with the scraps we're left over and somehow it works and becomes a multi-million dollar franchise. I am Bill and this is Matt. How you doing, Matt?

[00:00:58] I am doing alright, Bill. How's things with you?

[00:01:02] Oh, it's been a lot these last couple of weeks. I am so tired like every day this week. Like yesterday I got home. I left an hour early from work, got home, had a beer, got halfway through it and the next thing you know it's five hours later I fell asleep on the couch.

[00:01:22] Typical. That's how you know you're approaching 30. Or are you 30 now? I forget.

[00:01:27] I got like two more months at the time of this recording.

[00:01:31] Mm hmm. Yeah, that happens to me a lot. You know, it's just one of those things.

[00:01:36] It's funny because I see I see like like Facebook reels or whatever they are. I think YouTube shorts. There's so many things that it's like, oh, gaming in your 30s.

[00:01:45] And they sit down, you see them sit down and they play for like five seconds and then like it goes to the next frame and they're asleep.

[00:01:53] It's so true.

[00:01:54] It's either that or like gaming in your 30s. It doesn't happen because you don't have time to game anymore.

[00:02:01] Yeah, no shit.

[00:02:04] I barely have time to sit down and read anymore. Like I was I was trying to catch up on some comics this week and I would sit down and try reading them and I just the next thing I know I'm falling asleep.

[00:02:13] I'm so tired.

[00:02:15] Yeah, well, I've been I've been chipping away at Berserk.

[00:02:18] They still make it steady progress on that because I don't know. I just got I just can't get over his artwork.

[00:02:25] It's so fucking good. And it's like it's it's so darkly good if that makes sense.

[00:02:32] Like, yeah, you really you really get the tone based on his artwork.

[00:02:39] Yeah, it's a very bleak series.

[00:02:42] That's they could have called the series bleak and it would have been accurate.

[00:02:47] Yeah, Berserk kind of works still one of those shows.

[00:02:51] I can't get into or series.

[00:02:53] I can't get into but that's just because it's not my style, but I can appreciate the I can appreciate it for what it is because it is very.

[00:03:00] Very good in what it does.

[00:03:02] Well, it's an incredibly well told story like it's like honestly like guts is probably one of the deepest characters I've ever seen in any anime or manga and that's saying a lot.

[00:03:15] Yeah, I think my problem with it is it's just too bleak.

[00:03:19] Like I'm like this.

[00:03:20] It's like this is just sad to read.

[00:03:23] Yeah, I honestly believe that the only reason he included Puck, the little fairy character that follows guts around is just to have like that one character that can give like even the most minuscule amount of levity in situations.

[00:03:36] Yeah, because it gets it gets pretty bad.

[00:03:39] Like there's a whole like little mini arc at one point after the golden age arc where basically guts like encounters this village and there's like all these like like they call them fairies or pixies or something.

[00:03:55] But what they really are just curse children and then he has to kill them all.

[00:04:00] And the way demons work in berserk is pretty much all demons were once human.

[00:04:06] And when you kill them, they revert to their human forms.

[00:04:09] So everybody came out and saw what he did and just saw a bunch of chopped up children.

[00:04:15] So, yeah.

[00:04:16] Yeah.

[00:04:18] It's pretty dark.

[00:04:19] Yeah, that's pretty.

[00:04:22] That's a series for a certain mindset.

[00:04:25] I always say, and I don't have that mindset.

[00:04:28] Yeah, that's it's not a series for the faint at heart.

[00:04:31] I can say that much.

[00:04:32] Not for not for squeamish people.

[00:04:34] It's not even that for me.

[00:04:36] It's just it's like.

[00:04:38] It's too depressing for me at times like I'm like.

[00:04:42] It's the reason why I don't like the last of us part two.

[00:04:44] It's like it's just too dark and too sad.

[00:04:46] And I'm just like, nope, I don't like it.

[00:04:50] I appreciate it, but I don't like it.

[00:04:53] But.

[00:04:55] For a more more happier topic of discussion, I watched slime season three this week.

[00:05:04] Nice.

[00:05:05] I enjoyed it.

[00:05:07] See.

[00:05:09] And this isn't to say anything bad about sign because I do like the series, but I don't

[00:05:14] like the parts where it's trying to take itself seriously.

[00:05:17] You know, like there are there are sections.

[00:05:20] Not a fan of the meetings.

[00:05:23] I was literally about to say that it's a fucking constant like, oh, we're all let's talk about

[00:05:28] our plans and this and that all that damn slime.

[00:05:31] We're going to get him like and they try to take they try to make it so serious in those

[00:05:35] moments.

[00:05:35] And it's just like that.

[00:05:36] Like the series is the best at the series that is best when you get situations like

[00:05:43] like Hinata go into the ramen shop.

[00:05:46] Yeah.

[00:05:47] Like that.

[00:05:47] That is like the series at its peak for me or like when they're planning the festival.

[00:05:52] Like that was like my favorite stuff in that season.

[00:05:56] And like the first like six, seven episodes where they're just taking everything super

[00:06:00] seriously.

[00:06:01] I'm just like rolling my eyes the whole time.

[00:06:04] I don't know.

[00:06:04] I did enjoy the occasional appearance of Shuna the enforcer, like where they'd be having

[00:06:10] a very deep and dark conversation that Shuna would just appear in the back and be like,

[00:06:14] like, you're not doing anything bad, are you?

[00:06:16] And then they just get terrified because they're afraid of her for whatever reason.

[00:06:20] Yeah.

[00:06:21] So I don't know, like maybe it just like the back and forth of like, does it want to be

[00:06:28] a serious show or does it want to be like a goofy slice of life show?

[00:06:33] And I just I feel like I like it more as a slice of life than when it tries to be like,

[00:06:39] because it feels like half of it is like the stuff that I like where it's like very like

[00:06:43] lighthearted and just goofy.

[00:06:45] And the other half is either meeting after meeting or Rimuru too strong.

[00:06:52] Well, it's an isekai.

[00:06:53] So of course, Rimuru is too strong, but it's also kind of it's supposed to be making fun

[00:06:58] of isekai's were like the where the entire point is that he's OP because he made himself

[00:07:04] OP.

[00:07:05] Hmm.

[00:07:05] I did.

[00:07:07] I was going to say they kind of play with that with the other character that created his own

[00:07:12] power where he just his powers.

[00:07:15] Yeah, he wills everyone into agreeing with him.

[00:07:18] That was actually it was that's actually where I was going.

[00:07:21] I was going to say, like, I really liked that character.

[00:07:23] He was great.

[00:07:25] Yeah, I like that.

[00:07:27] I like the running choke of Benny Mars harm, which he wants nothing to do with.

[00:07:34] But they've all established it as a thing that's legal now.

[00:07:37] Hmm.

[00:07:38] But it was more it was more Shuna and Gion just tricking Rimuru to allowing harms.

[00:07:43] Hmm.

[00:07:44] Yeah, I liked a lot of the like probably more like more like the latter half of that season.

[00:07:50] But that's the thing is like when it's good, it's good, you know, and I know that's, you

[00:07:56] know, subjective.

[00:07:57] It is a slow that season three does have a slow start.

[00:08:00] It picks up towards the end, though.

[00:08:03] I don't know what the hell is going on with what's his face though.

[00:08:05] Yugi, is that his name?

[00:08:07] Like, obviously, like he's supposed to be like the big bad of the shadows, but he's

[00:08:10] like, he's so nice when he's around.

[00:08:12] So it's just like, I don't know how to feel about him.

[00:08:15] He's like.

[00:08:17] I think there's supposed to be some mystery around him, but it's so fucking obvious that

[00:08:21] like everyone's already figured it out.

[00:08:23] Hmm.

[00:08:24] Yeah.

[00:08:24] Well, by the end of season three, like even Rimuru is like, yeah, like, you know, he acts

[00:08:28] super nice and he's around, but I know he's the one behind everything.

[00:08:31] Like, so it's just kind of have to just wait out, wait it out and wait for him to slip up.

[00:08:35] And reveal himself.

[00:08:36] But yeah, I think he's like TV tropes considers him like a walking spoiler.

[00:08:41] We're like pretty much everything about his character is a spoiler.

[00:08:44] So you really can't get super deep into it because it's like he's so obvious about it.

[00:08:49] Hmm.

[00:08:50] I'm just saying like how.

[00:08:53] How can you go against Rimuru when you're stuck in this like fantasy world?

[00:08:56] I'm like, yeah, this is cool stuff.

[00:08:58] You know, you got crazy powers.

[00:08:59] You could, you know, do all this crazy shit.

[00:09:01] But like Rimuru gave you manga.

[00:09:03] Like he's trying to reintroduce manga into this world.

[00:09:08] Like how you gonna go against that?

[00:09:11] Yeah.

[00:09:12] Yeah.

[00:09:12] Not to mention like even like it is in shows like these.

[00:09:16] It's like a thing where like food is like the most powerful thing you could have.

[00:09:20] And Rimuru is bringing back all this like, you know, earth food in this fantasy world.

[00:09:27] You'd think you could be behind that, you know, but whatever.

[00:09:31] I think my favorite character in season three was the other demon lord.

[00:09:35] I'm forgetting her name right now.

[00:09:39] Uh, Luminous.

[00:09:41] Oh, the vampire chick?

[00:09:42] Yeah, the lesbian vampire.

[00:09:44] Yeah, she was cool.

[00:09:45] They're not subtle about that either.

[00:09:48] No, she's got like a Mr. Freeze thing going on where she's got like the one the lady in the crystal or whatever.

[00:09:53] Yeah, but then she's also got a thing for Hanada, which isn't subtle either.

[00:09:57] Yeah.

[00:09:58] Well, that's that's one thing I'll say about the show is it's definitely not subtle at all.

[00:10:03] No, it's not.

[00:10:04] It's also very fanservice-y, but it's at the same time it's not like aggressively fanservice-y.

[00:10:10] It toes the line.

[00:10:11] In the main series, the OVAs are full range on it, but um.

[00:10:16] Yeah.

[00:10:17] It definitely toes the line though.

[00:10:20] Yes, it does.

[00:10:21] Um.

[00:10:23] Yeah, aside from that, I uh, I finally finished the um, I finally picked Boruto back up.

[00:10:30] I still do that.

[00:10:32] I still gotta do that.

[00:10:34] Well, I'm still skipping around.

[00:10:35] I'm not watching all of it by any means, but I did.

[00:10:37] I finished the time travel arc.

[00:10:40] And I finished that little mini arc with um, the feudal lords kid, which actually is manga canon.

[00:10:46] Hmm.

[00:10:47] Um.

[00:10:49] And I started up another part of it, but I didn't get far enough in to really understand what.

[00:10:54] I know they introduced um, Kara.

[00:10:58] Which god damn it takes over a hundred episodes to introduce Kara.

[00:11:01] Like that's fucking crazy to me.

[00:11:02] Cause they're introduced like right after the movie in a manga.

[00:11:06] I think I just got to them last time I picked it up.

[00:11:09] I finished the prison arc.

[00:11:11] And then that was like, that's kind of where I left off.

[00:11:15] Yeah.

[00:11:15] They referenced that a bunch in the stuff with the feudal lords kid.

[00:11:19] And I was really confused by it.

[00:11:22] Wasn't that a setting in one of the movies?

[00:11:25] The prison?

[00:11:27] Maybe.

[00:11:28] I don't know.

[00:11:29] I don't remember.

[00:11:30] Um.

[00:11:32] I got to episode 155.

[00:11:35] That's where I left off.

[00:11:36] Yeah.

[00:11:36] So you got pretty deep in.

[00:11:38] So you, you didn't even have like that much left.

[00:11:41] I think most of what you have left is like manga canon stuff.

[00:11:44] So that's like the good stuff.

[00:11:47] There's 293 episodes.

[00:11:48] So I still got.

[00:11:49] Holy shit.

[00:11:50] A little over half to go.

[00:11:53] Jesus Christ.

[00:11:53] I thought it was like on par with original Naruto.

[00:11:56] I didn't think it was that much.

[00:11:57] Jesus Christ.

[00:11:58] Yeah.

[00:12:00] It was almost 300 episodes.

[00:12:02] It's long.

[00:12:02] I was, I was, I was looking into it just, um, just out of curiosity, just to see when,

[00:12:10] when the anime is coming back.

[00:12:11] Apparently there are no plans to bring the enemy back until 2027 at the absolute earliest,

[00:12:16] but most likely won't be until at least 2028.

[00:12:20] Jeez.

[00:12:20] Well, but honestly, I'm kind of okay with it because as much as like, I'd like to see a

[00:12:26] lot of the two blue vortex stuff animated, give the manga some time to come out.

[00:12:31] Cause then we don't have to deal with all this like super bloated Boruto crap.

[00:12:36] But it's, but it's a Naruto show.

[00:12:39] It has to have bloated crap for no reason.

[00:12:41] Yeah.

[00:12:42] Well, that was always a flaw in Naruto.

[00:12:44] So let's, let's not continue repeating the same fucking mistakes that Naruto has been

[00:12:49] making for the past 20 years.

[00:12:50] Well, we need to have Boruto regress as a character every five arcs because like the

[00:12:56] manga is he's, he makes a huge.

[00:12:58] Um, my favorite is when he, uh, he actually makes like character improvements during filler

[00:13:03] arcs.

[00:13:04] And then because the manga, he's not there yet.

[00:13:06] He regresses on an actual canon arc.

[00:13:08] It's like, great.

[00:13:11] Like he has such a great character moment during the time travel arc.

[00:13:14] And that's probably all filler, which.

[00:13:16] Yeah.

[00:13:19] Yeah, it is.

[00:13:20] Although it's like reverses back after.

[00:13:24] But it was funny.

[00:13:25] Cause when I looked up the, um, I looked at them like filler list.

[00:13:29] Cause you know, you have to wish those like this.

[00:13:31] And it said on the thing like, Oh, Boruto is, has a small filler, uh, of like 11%.

[00:13:37] I'm like, no false, false.

[00:13:41] Even everything that says anime canon.

[00:13:44] That's filler.

[00:13:47] Yeah.

[00:13:48] Those filler things though tend to only pick like arcs that have nothing to do with like

[00:13:51] anything like the getting a license episodes or the baseball episodes, stuff like that.

[00:13:58] But those ones are the fun filler.

[00:14:02] Yeah, they are.

[00:14:04] But.

[00:14:05] I don't know.

[00:14:06] Boring filler.

[00:14:07] Boring filler.

[00:14:08] She's face look like, like, those are the fun ones.

[00:14:11] It's obvious.

[00:14:12] He's got giant lips.

[00:14:14] Yes.

[00:14:16] Or buck teeth.

[00:14:17] Buck teeth was always funny.

[00:14:20] You know, they did that.

[00:14:21] They did that episode twice.

[00:14:23] They did it once in Naruto, once in Shippuden.

[00:14:25] Yep.

[00:14:27] It was like the exact same thing both times too.

[00:14:31] They weren't the most creative.

[00:14:32] That's all I'll say.

[00:14:35] But yeah, I'm finally back on that.

[00:14:37] I'm going to keep chipping away at it.

[00:14:39] Eventually I'll catch up.

[00:14:41] I also finally finished the rescue Rukia arc of bleach, which is a long time coming because I've been working on that for a while.

[00:14:52] Which isn't actually a very, it's not a very long arc by any means.

[00:14:55] It's like maybe 40 episodes at most.

[00:14:59] But like, yeah, I don't know.

[00:15:01] Just because like the.

[00:15:04] The way.

[00:15:06] Hulu works where it just like you can't download it.

[00:15:09] So I was kind of limited to watching it on my my free time at home.

[00:15:13] And a lot of times when I'm at home, like I'm just kind of hanging out.

[00:15:16] And if I'm not in a mood to watch something that I need to pay attention to or or something, I'll end up just throwing on like always sunny or Futurama or something.

[00:15:24] Yeah, that's me with friends.

[00:15:25] I was a friend zone on the board.

[00:15:28] Hmm.

[00:15:30] Yeah, I also started watching Samurai Champloo for the first time.

[00:15:36] It's an interesting show.

[00:15:39] Have you ever watched it?

[00:15:41] No, I.

[00:15:42] I've honestly my anime watching has kind of come to a halt lately because I've just been so tired when I'm tired.

[00:15:48] I can't focus.

[00:15:50] Well, you had a busy week either way.

[00:15:53] Yeah.

[00:15:55] It's weird because it was busy, but it like wasn't at the same time.

[00:15:58] Hmm.

[00:15:59] It's just one of it was a very draining week like that and like the weather.

[00:16:03] The weather's been really fucking weird up here lately.

[00:16:06] Hmm.

[00:16:08] It's like 90 degrees.

[00:16:10] It's like 90 degrees here one day.

[00:16:12] Really?

[00:16:14] I mean, we've had some pretty warm days.

[00:16:15] I don't think I ever got up that high.

[00:16:17] I got in my car after work and I ever looked at the thermometer was like 90.

[00:16:21] So it was probably like 80 something, but it was still like, what the fuck?

[00:16:24] Hmm.

[00:16:25] That's wild.

[00:16:28] Wild.

[00:16:29] Yeah.

[00:16:30] Yeah.

[00:16:30] Other than that, it's just money's tight right now.

[00:16:33] So I haven't been buying a lot of new games lately.

[00:16:36] It's not a good stuff coming out though, too, which makes it worse.

[00:16:40] Yeah.

[00:16:40] Tell me about it.

[00:16:41] You know, between.

[00:16:42] I mean, there's a bunch of games I want to get right now.

[00:16:45] I mean, obviously, sparking zero is going to happen like that.

[00:16:48] It's probably going to be a joint Christmas present for me and Xander.

[00:16:50] We've seen it.

[00:16:52] I've already discussed that.

[00:16:53] That's a game.

[00:16:54] Both of us want.

[00:16:55] So that one's definitely going to happen.

[00:16:57] But then, you know, we also have like the Dragon Quest remake.

[00:17:00] I still haven't gotten Final Fantasy seven rebirth yet.

[00:17:06] I'd like.

[00:17:06] I'd like.

[00:17:08] What?

[00:17:09] Metaphor just came out.

[00:17:13] That's the new.

[00:17:14] It's the new Atlas game.

[00:17:15] It's by the.

[00:17:17] It's a new studio within Atlas, but it's the it's the persona team.

[00:17:21] They made a game.

[00:17:22] Gotcha.

[00:17:23] Well, on that subject, I also want to get the persona three reload at some point in the future,

[00:17:29] because, you know, actually, I had a random.

[00:17:35] I had a random like urge to listen to persona for music today.

[00:17:40] Actually, you know what it was?

[00:17:41] I think I was listening to the between two pods and like they were mentioning like, like favorite boss music or whatever.

[00:17:49] And my mind immediately went to that, like eight bit boss theme.

[00:17:53] Oh, yeah.

[00:17:55] Yep.

[00:17:56] The one that's only in golden.

[00:17:58] It wasn't in.

[00:18:00] The original.

[00:18:01] Oh, really?

[00:18:02] I didn't know that.

[00:18:04] Yeah, it was.

[00:18:06] It was the original just use the regular boss theme.

[00:18:10] They changed that for golden.

[00:18:12] They made the eight bit one for the.

[00:18:14] The.

[00:18:15] The.

[00:18:15] The.

[00:18:16] Michio bus.

[00:18:17] Hmm.

[00:18:18] Yeah, I still really want to see that persona for anime.

[00:18:21] When you're down, we'll definitely watch it.

[00:18:23] Or if I come up there, I'll remember to bring it.

[00:18:25] It's just it's it's fairly short, right?

[00:18:28] It's twenty six.

[00:18:30] It's not bad.

[00:18:30] Oh, is it?

[00:18:31] Oh, wow.

[00:18:31] It's actually longer than I thought.

[00:18:33] Well, in that case, whether if I go down there, I'm going to bring my laptop and rip the DVDs.

[00:18:37] So I just have it.

[00:18:39] I have blue rays.

[00:18:40] So I'm not sure if that'll be a shit.

[00:18:42] Yeah, it's it's sent I that DVDs don't exist to them.

[00:18:47] Gotcha.

[00:18:48] Damn.

[00:18:48] That's a bummer.

[00:18:51] I give you my yes.

[00:18:53] And account.

[00:18:54] I used to have them on there, but Sony decided to take all that stuff away.

[00:18:58] So it's gone.

[00:19:01] Rude.

[00:19:02] See, that's the thing with digital stuff.

[00:19:04] So that's why I like it like the digital media that I have is like stuff that I ripped or downloaded because I don't trust these motherfuckers.

[00:19:12] They keep taking that shit away, you know, I pay you pay for it and then you don't get to keep it.

[00:19:16] You don't see that they're rewording those contracts now because legally there they've been called out and now they actually have to specify you're not buying the product.

[00:19:26] You're buying the right to access content essentially.

[00:19:31] Yeah, which it's the whole purpose of digital media, but whatever.

[00:19:39] And that's why I don't that's why I don't like them trying to phase out physical media is for shit like that.

[00:19:43] It's bullshit.

[00:19:45] I mean, we're going to be it's going to be a stubborn battle to the end.

[00:19:49] I know that's for sure.

[00:19:50] Hmm.

[00:19:51] So I was actually looking into the Persona 4 anime just out of curiosity, because if I could find it for chief, I was going to send it to you.

[00:19:59] But unfortunately.

[00:20:01] Let's see, what are we going?

[00:20:04] So, yeah, I could imagine there's no available sets on Amazon right now.

[00:20:13] Yeah, I feel like eBay would be the place to look for something like that.

[00:20:18] Oh, so you can get the complete series Blu-ray for five hundred dollars.

[00:20:23] Jesus.

[00:20:24] Or the other is a DVD, I guess, for but that's for two fifty.

[00:20:29] Half price.

[00:20:30] Look at that.

[00:20:33] Yeah, you only have to sell a kidney.

[00:20:37] Yeah, well.

[00:20:39] I'll I'll look for bootlegs.

[00:20:41] Thank you.

[00:20:43] Yeah.

[00:20:43] Aniplex is fucking Aniplex again or something.

[00:20:45] Uh huh.

[00:20:47] Yeah, I figured.

[00:20:48] Sentai did.

[00:20:49] Sentai did the dub, but Aniplex is the distribution so you can understand.

[00:20:54] Yeah, let's see what eBay says.

[00:20:57] So you can probably buy bootlegs on eBay.

[00:21:00] Anime.

[00:21:03] Oh, so you can get both both sets for two fifty.

[00:21:08] Or just season one for seventy.

[00:21:12] Jesus.

[00:21:13] Yeah, fuck that.

[00:21:14] Fucking wild.

[00:21:15] Fucking Aniplex, man.

[00:21:16] They take all the good shit.

[00:21:18] Put it behind an outrageous paywall.

[00:21:21] You could take you.

[00:21:22] It's like you.

[00:21:22] OK, you could buy a PS five or you could buy fucking persona for golden.

[00:21:28] There are persona for the anime.

[00:21:30] Like what the fuck, dude?

[00:21:32] Yeah, it's it's ridiculous.

[00:21:37] Yeah, that one sucks.

[00:21:38] You could buy a refurbished PS four or you could buy darker than black season one.

[00:21:42] Yeah, it's sad, too, because all the persona animes are on Crunchyroll except for the goal of the original persona for anime because it's the Aniplex.

[00:21:53] Bullshit.

[00:21:54] Bullshit.

[00:21:54] And the dub was done by Sentai.

[00:21:55] And because of that now, even if another studio license it, they don't have rights to the dub because Sentai has the rights to the dub.

[00:22:03] So which is assuming I'm assuming it's not on high dive.

[00:22:07] No.

[00:22:09] Gotcha.

[00:22:10] Just game, too, because it has most of the game cast back, too, which is really nice.

[00:22:15] Man, that's such a bummer.

[00:22:17] Oh, well, I'm just gonna I'm just gonna have to try and get a disc drive that works at Blu-rays and then I'll have to also buy a program where I could rip Blu-rays.

[00:22:28] It's it'd still be a hell of a lot cheaper than buying the DVDs.

[00:22:33] Yeah, you know that or we're gonna have to marathon it one of these days.

[00:22:37] Yeah, no shit.

[00:22:41] But I'm speaking of marathoning.

[00:22:43] We should get into our topic for this episode.

[00:22:45] Yeah, the marathon that I went on this year, which holy shit, it was a lot.

[00:22:51] That's that's definitely a way of putting it.

[00:22:53] We're talking about the MCU Marvel Cinematic Universe.

[00:22:59] One of the most fascinating experiments that I think a company has ever done.

[00:23:03] And the fact that it worked and we're now finally seeing it start to kind of peter off.

[00:23:11] It's very interesting to see.

[00:23:15] Yeah, I remember when like the them because I remember when like the first Iron Man movie came like the first couple of Iron Man movies came out.

[00:23:23] And at the time it was just a very like isolated thing.

[00:23:26] Well, I remember when the Iron Man one came out.

[00:23:28] I had no idea who the fuck Iron Man was.

[00:23:31] I mean, I was aware of Iron Man, but that's like because my little cousin was into Marvel stuff.

[00:23:37] So he like watched a lot of the cartoons like the Avengers cartoons and stuff like that, like Hulk versus Wolverine and all that stuff.

[00:23:44] So like I was aware of a lot of like the characters that they brought into the MCU early.

[00:23:52] But it but like, like we've talked about before, I was never a Marvel kid.

[00:23:56] So like I was aware of them, but I didn't know anything about them.

[00:23:58] I was definitely not a Marvel kid of Spider-Man.

[00:24:01] I was a I was a DC DC kid from the beginning.

[00:24:05] So when it's very interesting to me, like I didn't know much about Marvel's history.

[00:24:11] I knew Spider-Man for a little bit until one more day happened.

[00:24:14] And I lost interest after that.

[00:24:18] I was mostly on the DC side of things.

[00:24:21] So like when I remember it's very interesting looking back and realizing like Marvel, the whole reason why the MCU ended up working is ironically like a stroke of one of the biggest like strokes of luck.

[00:24:33] I think studios ever had were like Marvel was like I alluded to it in the intro, but Marvel was so like added like bankruptcy like they were doing very poorly.

[00:24:46] Especially during the late 90s, early 2000s.

[00:24:48] They were forced to basically sell off all of their like film rights to like a bunch of different studios.

[00:24:55] To basically get themselves out of bankruptcy.

[00:24:57] I mean famously like they sold the X-Men to Fox, 20th Century Fox.

[00:25:03] Mm hmm.

[00:25:04] They sold Spider-Man to Sony.

[00:25:06] That one still kicks them in the butt to this day.

[00:25:09] Yeah.

[00:25:10] And I think they sold they sold a bunch of others out like Hulk, I think, went to Universal.

[00:25:17] A whole bunch of different studios.

[00:25:20] And essentially doing this, they lost the film rights to like all of these characters because these were bad contracts that Marvel signed.

[00:25:29] Like Sony has basically like from what I've read, like Sony basically has like exclusive rights to Spider-Man in films.

[00:25:37] I think in games.

[00:25:39] Maybe not TV anymore.

[00:25:40] I know they renegotiated it recently, but like in film definitely they have like exclusive rights to Spider-Man basically forever.

[00:25:46] Hmm.

[00:25:48] Unless Disney buys Sony, which isn't going to happen anytime soon.

[00:25:52] No.

[00:25:54] Although if any company was going to do it.

[00:25:57] Well, the problem is Disney is at the point now where if they, if they were that crazy, they probably spark some of the government coming in because of monopoly at that point.

[00:26:07] Yeah.

[00:26:08] Because it's getting a little, they bought 20th century Fox for God's sake, just to get the X-Men back and fantastic for, you know, what's really funny though.

[00:26:19] I was reading this apparently when they signed the Sony deal, they actually offered Sony like a bunch of the, pretty much all of their like C list characters.

[00:26:28] And Sony was like, who gives a shit about them?

[00:26:31] We just want Spider-Man.

[00:26:34] Which to be fair, there's a lot of revisionist history nowadays where people will act like Iron Man was always huge.

[00:26:42] Iron Man was a C list B list like hero that no one really gave a shit about.

[00:26:47] Like, yeah, a long time.

[00:26:50] Like, honestly, the Avengers was basically a team of C list or D list heroes that were like, their only reason they were significant was because they were on the Avengers.

[00:27:00] Yeah.

[00:27:01] There's a reason the big studios wanted Spider-Man, the X-Men, the Hulk, because they were the ones that were actually like iconic to like the average, the average Joe that wasn't into comics.

[00:27:12] So it's really funny that like, basically all they had left was like the B listers that nobody cared about.

[00:27:18] And it was like a stroke of pure luck that like Iron Man ended up being like the massive success it was.

[00:27:26] Yeah.

[00:27:28] Yeah.

[00:27:28] It was honestly really surprising to me too.

[00:27:30] Because I remember like, cause I didn't really like, I didn't actually like sit down and watch any of the Iron Man movies until like recently, like past like four or five years, give or take.

[00:27:41] Like, and like, but I remember like the big boom when I, when like the first couple Iron Man movies came out, like it was huge.

[00:27:49] Like everyone was all like that fucking Iron Man song was all over the place.

[00:27:52] Like everyone was crazy about it.

[00:27:53] Which is so fucking funny because I don't think the Black Sabbath song actually appears in the first movie.

[00:27:59] It is in the second one, I think.

[00:28:01] I think.

[00:28:03] Um, Iron, Iron Man's a very interesting film because it's like, I think at the time it was like a no name character director who I believe like his previous film was a flop.

[00:28:19] Like, and he was not, uh, John Favre with a Favre, I think his name was.

[00:28:25] Um, yeah, I think his previous films weren't that successful.

[00:28:29] Robert Downey Jr.

[00:28:30] Was like considered a washed up actor by that point.

[00:28:34] Um, yeah, that really came around, didn't it?

[00:28:38] Yeah.

[00:28:38] And now he's freaking like one of the biggest actors on the planet.

[00:28:41] But like at the time he was mostly past his time and was basically like, most people thought this was probably just like his last desperate role.

[00:28:51] Um, yeah, just a ton of stuff.

[00:28:53] Like it was like one of those like recipes for like, nobody thought this was going to succeed.

[00:28:57] And then it ends up being this like $585 million box office success.

[00:29:04] Mm hmm.

[00:29:05] Launched the cinematic universe, like, which is hilarious, too, because the second film in the universe kind of was not that great.

[00:29:12] Yeah.

[00:29:13] Yeah.

[00:29:14] Um, yeah, I don't see.

[00:29:17] I wonder how, like, how would like Disney have gone forward if Iron Man hadn't worked out?

[00:29:25] Like that movie, like, would they have, would they have pushed it and kept trying?

[00:29:29] Or would that have just been like a no, I guess it just didn't work?

[00:29:35] I don't know.

[00:29:36] Apparently.

[00:29:36] So apparently I'm reading this.

[00:29:37] Apparently Disney didn't even have the rights to Iron Man initially, like apparently like Fox, like Universal and New Line Cinema all had.

[00:29:48] Film ideas in development before they kind of just gave up.

[00:29:51] And I think the rights, I think a way a lot of these contracts are worded is, I believe, the way the contracts are worded is as long as a new film is in development every couple of years, then the rights are constantly will still be in like by the contract binding.

[00:30:14] But I think if they don't make a film over a certain period of time, then the rights automatically revert back to the original owner.

[00:30:21] Hmm.

[00:30:22] I think that's how a lot of the Stephen King film rights work.

[00:30:26] Yeah, because I know that's why, um, that's partially why like, um, the Fantastic Four, that really awful movie came out, I think, in like the late 2010s, because they had to make a movie to retain the rights.

[00:30:42] Hmm.

[00:30:43] Hmm.

[00:30:43] Um, there was also that recently too.

[00:30:46] I wasn't a huge fan.

[00:30:47] No, that movie's got awful.

[00:30:49] It really gives you an appreciation for the 2005 film.

[00:30:52] Hmm.

[00:30:53] Which isn't good either, but at least it's not that.

[00:30:57] Still better.

[00:30:58] It's at least entertaining.

[00:31:00] Yeah, it's, it's decent, like by, by superhero film standards, it's watchable.

[00:31:06] Yeah, the, the newer one that was just like, they tried way too hard to make it dark.

[00:31:11] And I just didn't like that.

[00:31:13] I mean, it was very on brand with the, uh, the Fox X-Men.

[00:31:17] So.

[00:31:18] Yeah.

[00:31:22] But yeah, it's, we can, but you can do the Fox X-Men as its own episode, honestly, because I, I love those movies.

[00:31:26] Yeah.

[00:31:28] I mean, we could do other hero superhero films also, because there's a lot, um, how, how BC still doesn't know how to fucking make a superhero film.

[00:31:36] Yeah.

[00:31:37] No kidding.

[00:31:39] Um, it's kind of interesting though.

[00:31:42] Like the, the MCU, like other than Iron Man one, I mean, all the films were successful, but like, other than like Iron Man one, like the whole incredible Hulk wasn't a very good film.

[00:31:52] Like it's, it's okay, but it's kind of a mess.

[00:31:56] And by the next movie, they recasted him, didn't they?

[00:32:00] Yeah.

[00:32:00] Edward Norton was only in the first movie.

[00:32:02] Uh, it was Mark Ruffalo and every other appearance.

[00:32:05] Well, cause I don't think, I don't think the Hulk appears again until the first Avengers movie.

[00:32:10] Are you ready?

[00:32:11] Yeah.

[00:32:12] Well, cause the Hulk, the incredible Hulk's a weird one because it's not an origin story.

[00:32:16] Like most of them it's, um, it was, it's like a pseudo sequel to that, like to the, to that, um, early 2000s Ang Lee Hulk film.

[00:32:27] Um, the one that's just called Hulk, which is debatably better of a movie, depending on who you ask.

[00:32:35] Um, but, um, it's like a pseudo sequel to that, but it's also not.

[00:32:40] And it's like, it's kind of its own weird thing.

[00:32:44] It didn't really have a direction at all.

[00:32:46] Um, yeah.

[00:32:47] Like the only reason it's even connected to the, uh, the cinematic universe is cause Iron Man shows up at the end.

[00:32:53] Yeah, that's true.

[00:32:55] Forgot about that.

[00:32:57] Yeah.

[00:32:57] Cause they really started going like crazy with the post credit scenes and stuff like that.

[00:33:01] Like some of them had like three, three post credit scenes.

[00:33:04] The MCU has indoctrinated all of us now that we wait at every movie we go to see just for the potential of a post credit scene.

[00:33:12] Hmm.

[00:33:14] Like they do it in fucking anime films now.

[00:33:16] Like my fucking, um, stayed to the end of the spy family movie.

[00:33:20] Cause I knew there was going to be a post credit scene.

[00:33:22] Cause that's just how it is now.

[00:33:23] Hmm.

[00:33:24] I mean, hell, like a Dragon Ball evolution album.

[00:33:27] Yeah.

[00:33:28] I'm just, I want to see a film like one of these days, like.

[00:33:33] And with like, you sit through the credits and then like a black screen that comes up and it just says no end credit scene.

[00:33:38] Go fuck yourself.

[00:33:39] My favorite was that at the end of the first Deadpool movie.

[00:33:42] He like comes out with like the Ferris Bueller thing.

[00:33:45] It's just like, what are we expecting?

[00:33:47] And another, he expecting a frigging Sam Jackson to come out with an eye patch.

[00:33:51] Like, no, go away.

[00:33:53] Like, yeah.

[00:33:53] Well, that was funny though.

[00:33:54] That's like ironic.

[00:33:56] Yeah.

[00:33:57] Uh, thinking about it though.

[00:33:59] Like I, even Iron Man two, isn't that great of a film.

[00:34:03] It's honestly kind of like a sophomore slump in a lot of ways.

[00:34:07] Yeah.

[00:34:07] Well, I mean, I, I feel like a lot of like the, a lot of the like intro films for these, these characters throughout the first phase just weren't great.

[00:34:20] Like I, I feel like Marvel didn't really start to hit it.

[00:34:23] Like the MCU didn't really start to hit its drive until the Avengers.

[00:34:27] Um, which is weird.

[00:34:28] Cause I, I don't like the Avengers that much.

[00:34:31] Like I, that's kind of a hot take.

[00:34:32] I didn't find that film particularly interesting.

[00:34:34] I mean, I found it.

[00:34:35] I mean, that was my first introduction to the MCU was the Avengers film.

[00:34:39] So I didn't see it until years after it came out.

[00:34:42] Like it's really sad, but my first MCU film was fucking Thor two.

[00:34:47] So what a place to start.

[00:34:51] Um, yeah.

[00:34:52] One of the worst films in the series.

[00:34:55] Um, I mean, I don't know if this is a hot take, but I like all the Thor movies.

[00:34:59] I don't know why.

[00:34:59] Maybe I just like the character or the way Chris Hemsworth plays him.

[00:35:02] But I, I've enjoyed every Thor movie I've watched, including Love and Thunder.

[00:35:07] Yeah, I didn't, I still haven't seen that one, but I, um, I didn't hate Thor two.

[00:35:11] I thought it was interesting enough.

[00:35:13] Um, I will say the best one is probably Ragnarok, but, um, Thor one is also very good.

[00:35:18] Honestly, Thor and Captain America, I think have the best origin story films.

[00:35:22] Hmm.

[00:35:23] Well, I just love like the fish out of water thing.

[00:35:26] Like that's like one of my favorite things that fiction does.

[00:35:29] And like, I don't know why, because the way Chris Hemsworth plays with that just, it works for me.

[00:35:36] I find it incredibly entertaining.

[00:35:38] Yeah.

[00:35:39] Thor one was really good.

[00:35:41] I love Captain America, the first Avenger.

[00:35:43] I thought that was a very good film.

[00:35:45] Yeah.

[00:35:46] I definitely liked it.

[00:35:47] That was just like exclusively in the past, you know, like him, like before he was frozen or whatever.

[00:35:56] It's got one of my favorite lines in a fucking film ever with like Red Skull being like, you are failing.

[00:36:02] It's such another thing.

[00:36:03] It's like, I've noticed like, as, as I watched all the MCU movies, like, wow, there are a lot of Lord of the Rings actors throughout these movies.

[00:36:11] Like a lot.

[00:36:12] There's a lot of big name actors and actresses in general.

[00:36:15] Like Iron Man 2.

[00:36:17] It's, it's funny that like you think about Iron Man 2 and whenever I think of that film, the one thing I really think back on it is the opening Formula One scene, just because I thought that was funny.

[00:36:26] But also, um, that was the first appearance of Scarlett Johansson as a Black Widow.

[00:36:35] Yep.

[00:36:36] Also one of like the MCU's biggest, like fumbling the bag moments ever is the fact that they didn't give her a fucking her own movie until like phase four.

[00:36:45] They didn't give her her own movie until after she was already dead.

[00:36:48] I know.

[00:36:50] Like they, they, Marvel fumbled the bag so hard with that.

[00:36:56] Like they, they, they didn't, they didn't have a female lead film until phase three with a man in the wasp like that.

[00:37:06] And then like Captain Marvel after that, even though I don't like Captain Marvel very much, but that's, but that's the point.

[00:37:14] Well, I find that kind of surprising. So she's basically Marvel Superman.

[00:37:21] Yeah.

[00:37:22] She doesn't.

[00:37:23] Her characters, her.

[00:37:27] Uh, I don't know. She doesn't really feel like Superman to me, but Superman's also a different character in general entirely.

[00:37:34] I mean, it's a different kind of origin story. And like, obviously like her, her personality is different, but as far as like, you know, power system and everything else, she's basically Superman.

[00:37:43] Yeah. That's not why I like Superman though. Like I like, one of the things with Superman to me, like just a little tangent is like, it's very easy to make super like a bad Superman story.

[00:37:55] Like man of steel to me is like not a great Superman story. Cause it kind of misses the point of what Superman is supposed to be. Like to me, the best Superman is like a Lois and Clark, the, uh, or Superman and Lois.

[00:38:08] I should say, uh, the, the CW show, like that is to me, like that's, that's like perfect. Like that is how I like imagine. Like that's my favorite interpretation of the character where he's like, it's Clark. He's Clark first. Superman's Superman is what he does. Kind of thing.

[00:38:26] Mm-hmm. Um, but yeah, Captain, Captain Marvel. I, I don't know. I don't, I just didn't like that movie very much. I felt like it was trying too hard.

[00:38:39] I did like that. It was very nineties. Just, I mean, I, I laughed at the blockbuster scene. That was kind of it. Um, I think I was also kind of annoyed by the marketing for that movie. Cause like the whole time they were like, all, all of the reviews were like, finally, a female,

[00:38:55] lead superhero movie. And the whole time I'm sitting here going like, wonder woman's not even a year old yet. Like it's not even that old. Like that, that annoyed the hell out of me. Cause I was like, wonder woman just came out. I know you already forgetting about it.

[00:39:10] That kind of thing happens a lot though. Like it's cause like not to go on a tangent or not, not to go on a tangent or anything, but like, like I was doing research into like, um, what the, the MCU, like X-Men movie that's in production.

[00:39:24] And I kept seeing things about like, Oh, it's, um, it's going to be, uh, primarily like, you know, female led and, and people of color and all this other stuff.

[00:39:34] I'm like, do you guys not even pay attention to X-Men? It's always been that way. What are you talking about?

[00:39:39] Like, I mean, that's the whole point of X-Men.

[00:39:42] That's kind of a problem with the MCU at the moment in general. It's, it's kind of lost itself in what it wants to be.

[00:39:51] And I don't really, I think honestly, I think the problem with the MCU right now is just the fact that like,

[00:39:59] Endgame kind of felt like the ending and we've just kind of, most people, it's kind of like it ended there and everyone was like,

[00:40:08] Hey, yeah.

[00:40:11] Like, like what do we do next?

[00:40:14] Yeah, I get that. I mean, there's definitely like, I mean, there are some, some movies and shows post Endgame that I did like,

[00:40:22] but it definitely felt like they were fumbling in the dark, trying to recapture the same success that phases one through three had.

[00:40:32] And I mean, I feel like they should have given it, they should have given it some time.

[00:40:36] They should have taken a break.

[00:40:38] Yeah, honestly.

[00:40:39] Cause like when I think about phase four, like the movies I think of are like,

[00:40:43] I think of Spider-Man, uh, no way home that's, or is it far from home?

[00:40:47] The one with the other Spider-Man.

[00:40:50] Uh, that's no way home.

[00:40:51] Uh, but I believe that's phase.

[00:40:54] Is it?

[00:40:56] Maybe it is phase four.

[00:40:58] That's it's phase four.

[00:40:58] That was like one of the first things after Endgame.

[00:41:01] Right, right.

[00:41:03] Right.

[00:41:04] Yeah.

[00:41:04] Cause it, yeah.

[00:41:05] Okay.

[00:41:06] Cause I remember that was like one of the few things I liked and everything else.

[00:41:11] I've kind of just been like,

[00:41:14] like they don't interest me.

[00:41:16] Like I still haven't seen like the third Ant-Man,

[00:41:19] although I've heard it's really boring.

[00:41:22] Um,

[00:41:23] I'm trying to remember.

[00:41:24] Oh,

[00:41:24] is that the one where they get real small?

[00:41:26] Like quantum mania?

[00:41:27] Like it's called.

[00:41:28] Yeah.

[00:41:29] Yeah.

[00:41:29] Um,

[00:41:30] I mean,

[00:41:31] it's kind of pointless now because like the,

[00:41:33] the,

[00:41:33] they were really pushing Kang in that movie.

[00:41:36] And now that's not a thing in the MCU anymore.

[00:41:40] So.

[00:41:42] Yeah.

[00:41:42] They kind of rendered that movie pointless.

[00:41:44] Like any sort of like,

[00:41:46] like good world,

[00:41:48] like,

[00:41:48] uh,

[00:41:48] like foreshadowing slash world building,

[00:41:50] like building up to something.

[00:41:51] They kind of just did away with that.

[00:41:53] So,

[00:41:54] which is really stupid too,

[00:41:55] because with the whole concept of the multiverse and like,

[00:41:58] they've already played with this,

[00:41:59] but like the Loki series and like,

[00:42:01] they could have just recast him.

[00:42:02] Like,

[00:42:03] because it's the whole concept of multi,

[00:42:05] multi-universe,

[00:42:06] multiple versions of the same person.

[00:42:07] They didn't have,

[00:42:08] there's a fucking alligator.

[00:42:10] That's a Loki.

[00:42:11] Like we don't,

[00:42:11] it didn't have to be the same actor if it was really that big of a

[00:42:14] problem.

[00:42:16] Yeah.

[00:42:18] That's just,

[00:42:19] so I just could have just got kept going with the same idea and

[00:42:23] just keep recast him.

[00:42:24] They recasted fucking Bruce Banner.

[00:42:26] Like,

[00:42:26] I don't see what the big deal is,

[00:42:28] but whatever.

[00:42:29] Disney.

[00:42:30] Yeah.

[00:42:31] Marvel's weird about that.

[00:42:32] Cause Chad,

[00:42:33] Chadwick Bosnan,

[00:42:36] Black Panther,

[00:42:37] he asked them to recast him after he passed away and they didn't.

[00:42:41] So they're kind of,

[00:42:43] I don't know.

[00:42:44] Well,

[00:42:44] I think that's just an extension of the whole trying to push for female

[00:42:47] leads,

[00:42:49] which,

[00:42:49] you know,

[00:42:51] which makes sense in certain ways.

[00:42:53] But I mean,

[00:42:54] we already have,

[00:42:55] you know,

[00:42:56] with,

[00:42:56] with Captain Marvel and then with,

[00:42:57] um,

[00:42:59] uh,

[00:43:01] what was the Miss Marvel?

[00:43:02] Like the,

[00:43:03] the new one.

[00:43:04] She's like supposed to be like a gin.

[00:43:07] I did.

[00:43:08] I didn't watch Marvel,

[00:43:09] the Marvel's.

[00:43:10] So I have no idea.

[00:43:12] Yeah.

[00:43:12] Well,

[00:43:13] I've apparently that was like the biggest flop.

[00:43:15] It was,

[00:43:16] it didn't go well.

[00:43:17] That's all I know.

[00:43:18] I've,

[00:43:19] I've heard a lot of mixed things.

[00:43:21] Um,

[00:43:21] it's so hard to tell nowadays.

[00:43:23] Cause some people's reasoning for disliking things is all over the place.

[00:43:28] And yeah,

[00:43:30] I'm not going to get into that on this show.

[00:43:33] um,

[00:43:33] I mean,

[00:43:34] I didn't,

[00:43:34] I didn't hate it,

[00:43:36] but it definitely wasn't their strongest movie.

[00:43:38] I didn't like the first one.

[00:43:40] So I wasn't inclined to see the second one.

[00:43:42] That's kind of,

[00:43:42] that was my reasoning behind it.

[00:43:44] Hmm.

[00:43:45] Um,

[00:43:48] I liked,

[00:43:49] uh,

[00:43:49] I,

[00:43:49] I did like,

[00:43:50] um,

[00:43:52] multiverse of madness.

[00:43:53] That doctor's stranger movie.

[00:43:55] Oh yeah.

[00:43:56] Yeah.

[00:43:56] Freaking,

[00:43:57] um,

[00:43:57] Sam Raimi directed that.

[00:43:59] Yeah.

[00:43:59] Like that was one of the,

[00:44:00] one of the few post end game movies that I actually very much enjoyed.

[00:44:04] Um,

[00:44:05] I heard Patrick Stewart back as professor X in that.

[00:44:08] Yeah.

[00:44:08] I heard,

[00:44:09] heard that.

[00:44:09] Cause they're,

[00:44:09] they're very smart with who they bring back.

[00:44:11] I mean,

[00:44:12] let's face it.

[00:44:12] Patrick Stewart basically is professor X at this point.

[00:44:15] Yeah.

[00:44:16] Old,

[00:44:17] older professor X anyways.

[00:44:18] He was born to play that role.

[00:44:21] Well,

[00:44:22] I mean,

[00:44:22] they've basically made him look like,

[00:44:24] like Patrick Stewart in the comics at this point.

[00:44:27] Hmm.

[00:44:29] Uh,

[00:44:30] love and thunder was an interesting one.

[00:44:31] Like that one,

[00:44:32] I've,

[00:44:32] that's like one of the more,

[00:44:33] more mixed ones I've seen in a while.

[00:44:35] Like a lot of people really liked it.

[00:44:36] A lot of people didn't.

[00:44:37] I saw a lot of hate for it,

[00:44:39] but I think from what I saw,

[00:44:41] at least I feel like a lot of the hate comes from,

[00:44:42] um,

[00:44:44] the fact that they kind of went a little bit more on the goofier side with

[00:44:47] that movie in a lot of ways.

[00:44:49] But at the same time,

[00:44:51] like there was a lot of serious shit in it.

[00:44:52] Like Natalie Portman had cancer in that movie.

[00:44:55] And like,

[00:44:56] like,

[00:44:57] it was kind of like a really serious thing,

[00:44:59] but like,

[00:45:00] then they were just like,

[00:45:01] Hey,

[00:45:01] give her Thor powers.

[00:45:02] Fuck it.

[00:45:03] You know,

[00:45:04] let's make it funny.

[00:45:05] Oh,

[00:45:05] look,

[00:45:05] Chris Hemsworth is naked in front of Zeus.

[00:45:08] That's funny.

[00:45:09] Like,

[00:45:11] no,

[00:45:11] it'd be funny if it was,

[00:45:12] uh,

[00:45:13] if it was fat Thor from,

[00:45:14] uh,

[00:45:15] from end game.

[00:45:16] Yeah.

[00:45:18] But I mean,

[00:45:19] there was,

[00:45:19] there was a lot of things in that movie that I liked.

[00:45:22] Like I said,

[00:45:23] like there,

[00:45:23] I don't think there's a single Thor movie that I like actively disliked.

[00:45:26] I enjoyed all of those ones.

[00:45:28] I think I just liked Thor,

[00:45:30] the character the most out of all the MCU people.

[00:45:34] Love and thunder was definitely the one that I,

[00:45:36] it was definitely more of a split reaction.

[00:45:38] It wasn't like either hated it or liked it kind of thing.

[00:45:43] Cause I know like a lot of them it's been,

[00:45:45] and people just have not liked a lot of these movies.

[00:45:47] I think guardians three was okay.

[00:45:49] I still haven't seen it.

[00:45:51] I haven't really seen any phase four movies just cause like,

[00:45:53] I'll,

[00:45:55] I'm not gonna lie after end game.

[00:45:57] I kind of just lost interest.

[00:45:59] Well,

[00:45:59] see the hard thing with everything past end game is you also have to

[00:46:02] watch the series for a lot of stuff to make.

[00:46:04] Cause the series tie in with the movies.

[00:46:07] That's the thing.

[00:46:08] Like that's another flaw.

[00:46:09] Like I think that they're,

[00:46:10] they're going through is now they've gone a little too heavy on the

[00:46:13] series.

[00:46:13] And a lot of people just don't have time to watch this stuff.

[00:46:16] Yeah.

[00:46:16] Like,

[00:46:17] like multiverse of madness doesn't make sense if you don't watch

[00:46:19] WandaVision.

[00:46:22] And the new WandaVision kind of sets up a lot of stuff like,

[00:46:25] and Loki.

[00:46:28] Also like the new Captain America,

[00:46:30] it's not going to make any sense unless you watched Falcon and Winter

[00:46:34] Soldier.

[00:46:36] Yeah.

[00:46:37] And the series were,

[00:46:39] were very hit or miss for me.

[00:46:41] Like there were like a lot of the,

[00:46:43] I feel like the early ones are the ones that worked the best,

[00:46:45] like the ones that were closest to end game,

[00:46:47] like WandaVision and Loki and,

[00:46:50] and Falcon Winter Soldier.

[00:46:51] Like those ones,

[00:46:52] I feel like were the strongest.

[00:46:52] And then like,

[00:46:53] as they went on,

[00:46:54] they started getting weaker and weaker.

[00:46:55] Like I did not care for echo at all.

[00:46:58] Like Hawkeye was all right,

[00:47:01] but I don't know.

[00:47:02] I didn't even know.

[00:47:02] I didn't even know there was a Hawkeye series.

[00:47:05] So yeah,

[00:47:06] it's like a,

[00:47:06] they did like a Christmas thing and he like had like a protege and like

[00:47:11] they're trying to,

[00:47:12] I think they're trying to do like a team Titans kind of thing,

[00:47:15] but with Avengers because they had like the Ms.

[00:47:18] Marvel.

[00:47:19] And then she met up with like Hawkeye's protege later on and they're

[00:47:22] trying to get a group going.

[00:47:25] It hasn't actually happened yet,

[00:47:27] but they were.

[00:47:29] Marvel's ripping off DC for once.

[00:47:34] They've done it in the,

[00:47:35] they've done it in the past.

[00:47:37] But I mean,

[00:47:38] yeah.

[00:47:40] So,

[00:47:40] I mean,

[00:47:41] I mean,

[00:47:42] depending on how they do that,

[00:47:43] that could work out pretty well,

[00:47:44] but it's kind of funny though.

[00:47:48] Like they,

[00:47:49] you can tell that they've reached absolute desperation mode when they

[00:47:53] greenlit Deadpool and Wolverine.

[00:47:55] Cause it was like,

[00:47:56] they were like,

[00:47:57] we need help.

[00:47:58] Please make a good movie.

[00:48:00] It worked though.

[00:48:01] It did.

[00:48:01] It did well.

[00:48:02] I think it worked and it was entirely pandering,

[00:48:05] but it was like the best kind of pandering.

[00:48:08] But that's kind of like,

[00:48:09] let's be real.

[00:48:10] Like that's kind of when the MCU is at its best is when it's just

[00:48:13] doing that.

[00:48:14] Well,

[00:48:15] there's two kinds of pandering.

[00:48:16] There's the pandering that nobody likes where they're just trying to

[00:48:18] force stuff to like appeal to the lowest common denominator who

[00:48:21] aren't going to watch the movie anyways.

[00:48:24] And then there's like pandering to the fans and the stuff that like

[00:48:27] actually gets people interested,

[00:48:29] like basically all of Deadpool and Wolverine.

[00:48:31] Yeah.

[00:48:32] Like having Deadpool jump multiple universes and then just like,

[00:48:36] Oh,

[00:48:36] I just happen to be in the universe where Wolverine's fighting the Hulk,

[00:48:39] you know?

[00:48:39] And then it's like,

[00:48:40] Oh,

[00:48:41] look,

[00:48:41] it's a fucking,

[00:48:42] what's his face.

[00:48:43] Um,

[00:48:47] Henry,

[00:48:47] Henry,

[00:48:48] Henry Cavill.

[00:48:49] All right.

[00:48:50] Yeah.

[00:48:51] You know,

[00:48:53] cause we need to make fun of that.

[00:48:55] Hmm.

[00:48:57] And I,

[00:48:57] and I'm,

[00:48:58] I'm going to be honest with you.

[00:48:59] Like I,

[00:49:01] I've heard people like talk negatively about it.

[00:49:05] Um,

[00:49:06] but I honestly feel that,

[00:49:09] Channing Tatum did a great job as Gambit.

[00:49:11] Like,

[00:49:12] yeah,

[00:49:12] I'd be,

[00:49:14] I'd be totally fine with it.

[00:49:16] If he was just Gambit from like when they do the X-Men movie and he

[00:49:19] is just there as a Gambit.

[00:49:20] I'd be totally fine with it.

[00:49:22] Yeah.

[00:49:23] It's interesting too,

[00:49:24] because like you'd mentioned that X-Men film,

[00:49:27] but then there's also the fantastic four film.

[00:49:30] And I still don't know how I feel about Robert Downey Jr.

[00:49:34] As Dr.

[00:49:35] Doom.

[00:49:36] I mean,

[00:49:37] I'll,

[00:49:37] I'll save my,

[00:49:38] my judgment on that until I actually see it.

[00:49:41] It's either the,

[00:49:42] I think it has potential to work.

[00:49:44] It will,

[00:49:44] if they're,

[00:49:44] especially if they're going with the whole multiverse thing,

[00:49:46] it's just like,

[00:49:47] Oh,

[00:49:47] this is just a universe where instead of becoming Iron Man,

[00:49:50] he became Dr.

[00:49:52] Doom.

[00:49:52] And like,

[00:49:53] you know,

[00:49:53] that is totally reasonable,

[00:49:55] you know?

[00:49:56] Well,

[00:49:57] it's like the way I think about it is like,

[00:49:59] it's either the most brilliant thing they've done,

[00:50:02] or it's the most creatively bankrupt thing they've ever done.

[00:50:05] It's,

[00:50:05] it's going to be one or the other.

[00:50:07] And I'm really curious to see where it goes.

[00:50:09] And this is the thing though,

[00:50:10] is that the Dr.

[00:50:11] Doom thing,

[00:50:12] that's like,

[00:50:13] yeah,

[00:50:13] I think they are going to make a fantastic four movie before that,

[00:50:18] but because it's going to be an Avengers film,

[00:50:21] I feel like it's going to lean Spider-Man because of his relationship with Iron

[00:50:26] Man.

[00:50:28] And so if they,

[00:50:29] if they go that route and lean Spider-Man going up against Dr.

[00:50:34] Doom,

[00:50:34] but it's Tony Stark,

[00:50:36] Dr.

[00:50:37] Doom,

[00:50:37] like I feel like that has a lot of potential.

[00:50:41] Yeah.

[00:50:42] I don't think it's actually going to be Tony Stark.

[00:50:45] The character,

[00:50:46] I think it's just,

[00:50:47] it's still going to be Dr.

[00:50:48] Doom.

[00:50:49] I think it's just going to be Robert Downey Jr.

[00:50:50] playing it,

[00:50:52] but we'll have to wait and see on that.

[00:50:54] Cause I have no idea.

[00:50:56] I,

[00:50:56] I,

[00:50:57] I feel like the,

[00:50:58] the chances are pretty good.

[00:51:00] That it's probably just going to be Tony Stark.

[00:51:02] I mean,

[00:51:02] yeah,

[00:51:02] they could do the,

[00:51:03] it's Victor Von Doom or whatever,

[00:51:04] but I,

[00:51:06] I don't know.

[00:51:08] Something tells me if they don't make it Victor Von Doom,

[00:51:10] the fans are going to throw a fit.

[00:51:13] I mean,

[00:51:13] the fans are going to throw a fit anyway.

[00:51:15] Let's be real.

[00:51:16] True.

[00:51:17] But honestly,

[00:51:19] I feel like if they went that route and just made it Tony Stark,

[00:51:22] but evil,

[00:51:23] like,

[00:51:24] I,

[00:51:24] I think that would work fine.

[00:51:26] I don't think we're ever going to see his actual face.

[00:51:28] I think he's going to be in the costume the entire time.

[00:51:31] So.

[00:51:33] I don't know.

[00:51:34] It's,

[00:51:34] it's so far.

[00:51:36] But if they did that,

[00:51:37] then like,

[00:51:37] what's the point in Robert Downey Jr.

[00:51:39] You know?

[00:51:40] Cause he's a big name.

[00:51:41] And he brings in people to the seats.

[00:51:44] But if he's just wearing a mask the whole time,

[00:51:46] it doesn't matter.

[00:51:47] You know?

[00:51:48] That won't stop people.

[00:51:49] They'll still come.

[00:51:51] Yeah.

[00:51:52] Whatever.

[00:51:53] Fair enough.

[00:51:57] Enough about phase four though.

[00:51:59] Cause phase four is kind of sad.

[00:52:00] Let's jump back down to like phase.

[00:52:03] So we were talking phase one,

[00:52:05] how like a lot of the origin movies were pretty good for the most part.

[00:52:09] Um,

[00:52:11] they were,

[00:52:11] they were decent,

[00:52:12] but like,

[00:52:12] I,

[00:52:13] I,

[00:52:13] my biggest problem with phase one is for every single one of those movies,

[00:52:18] they were all just fighting like mega versions of themselves.

[00:52:21] That like,

[00:52:22] so that is an inherent Marvel problem.

[00:52:25] Like that is just something that Marvel kind of.

[00:52:29] Marvel is always been known for great heroes and kind of average villains.

[00:52:35] Like DC was more known for their villains.

[00:52:38] Cause DC has some great villains.

[00:52:40] I mean,

[00:52:40] there are exceptions,

[00:52:41] but those exceptions are the ones that,

[00:52:44] uh,

[00:52:45] Marvel didn't have the rights to.

[00:52:47] So,

[00:52:47] yeah,

[00:52:48] I mean,

[00:52:48] most of the,

[00:52:49] when I think of iconic villains in Marvel,

[00:52:52] I think of like Magneto and all the Spider-Man villains who they can't use.

[00:52:58] Um,

[00:52:59] so.

[00:53:00] I mean,

[00:53:00] the closest thing to mega Spider-Man is venom,

[00:53:03] but even that's a stretch.

[00:53:06] Well,

[00:53:08] I mean,

[00:53:08] technically he is negative Spider-Man when you really think about it,

[00:53:12] but he's,

[00:53:13] he's really not though.

[00:53:14] He just kind of copies his move.

[00:53:16] It's,

[00:53:16] he has kind of his own thing going on,

[00:53:19] but I mean,

[00:53:20] well,

[00:53:20] he's thing.

[00:53:21] Then it was like a weird mix of like,

[00:53:24] he's the,

[00:53:24] the suit that he had on,

[00:53:28] but it,

[00:53:29] Spider-Man rejected it.

[00:53:30] So it's the venom symbiote.

[00:53:32] It copied his suit and all his powers.

[00:53:35] And then he rejected the suit and it binded with Eddie Brock who hated Peter Parker and the suit hates Spider-Man.

[00:53:41] So it kind of became sort of like this villainous version of Spider-Man.

[00:53:47] It's weird.

[00:53:48] Symbiotes are weird in general.

[00:53:50] Yeah.

[00:53:50] The whole concept of the venom symbiote though,

[00:53:52] is like he,

[00:53:53] he could have merged with anybody and copied their abilities.

[00:53:56] It just so happened that it,

[00:53:57] it was Spider-Man.

[00:53:59] Yeah.

[00:54:00] And it started out as just a cool black suit where they made it a character.

[00:54:04] Although apparently,

[00:54:06] I don't know if this is like the official,

[00:54:08] uh,

[00:54:10] like lore behind it,

[00:54:11] but I know it.

[00:54:12] And at least one continuity,

[00:54:14] the first person that the venom symbiote bonded with was Deadpool.

[00:54:18] And that's why venom is so fucking that.

[00:54:22] I don't,

[00:54:23] well,

[00:54:24] I know that's not the original continuity.

[00:54:27] They might've retconned it.

[00:54:28] I know originally it,

[00:54:28] it just appeared in a secret wars.

[00:54:31] I haven't fully read that.

[00:54:33] Cause I haven't read a lot of Marvel,

[00:54:34] but.

[00:54:35] Gotcha.

[00:54:36] I know,

[00:54:36] I know that iconic cover,

[00:54:41] but anyways,

[00:54:41] back to phase one,

[00:54:42] because we keep just talking about other parts of Marvel that had nothing to do with the MCU.

[00:54:50] Yeah.

[00:54:51] well,

[00:54:51] venom kind of does depending on how you interpret that,

[00:54:54] uh,

[00:54:54] stinger at the end of,

[00:54:55] uh,

[00:54:55] no way home.

[00:54:57] True.

[00:54:58] True.

[00:54:58] I mean,

[00:54:58] they definitely kind of left that up in the air where it's like,

[00:55:01] Hey,

[00:55:01] there's a little bit of him left here.

[00:55:03] So we could definitely do something with venom in the MCU.

[00:55:05] Now that,

[00:55:06] that was basically the implication,

[00:55:08] but at the same time,

[00:55:09] I'm like,

[00:55:09] are they going to do it?

[00:55:10] Cause the last time they used venom in a main Spider-Man film,

[00:55:13] it didn't go so well.

[00:55:17] True,

[00:55:17] but it doesn't necessarily have to be Spider-Man.

[00:55:20] Cause the MCU just kind of like throws whatever at the wall and sees with sticks.

[00:55:24] It could be anybody.

[00:55:26] Yeah.

[00:55:28] Although it wouldn't be venom at that point.

[00:55:29] Cause the venom's whole thing is that he's based off of,

[00:55:33] but you know,

[00:55:33] we've already been over this.

[00:55:35] Let's,

[00:55:36] uh,

[00:55:39] let's so phase,

[00:55:40] we should phase one.

[00:55:42] Yeah.

[00:55:44] But yeah,

[00:55:44] I think out of the phase one movies that definitely the first door movie is,

[00:55:48] is the one that I tend to like the most.

[00:55:50] All the other ones,

[00:55:51] like I like them,

[00:55:53] but the,

[00:55:55] unless I'm doing like a full MCU watch through,

[00:55:58] like,

[00:55:59] I'm probably not going to go back and watch those very often.

[00:56:01] If at all,

[00:56:02] I'll probably watch like Captain America.

[00:56:05] That's really about it.

[00:56:07] Yeah.

[00:56:07] That one was pretty good.

[00:56:09] I did.

[00:56:09] I don't know.

[00:56:10] I just liked the,

[00:56:10] like the old,

[00:56:12] like the old timey kind of setting in general,

[00:56:14] you know?

[00:56:16] Yeah.

[00:56:18] Yeah.

[00:56:19] No,

[00:56:19] it's,

[00:56:20] it's good.

[00:56:21] I like the whole like vibe of it too.

[00:56:23] And I like that.

[00:56:24] It doesn't,

[00:56:25] it kind of really doesn't end with him being back.

[00:56:28] It kind of ends ambiguously,

[00:56:30] which I kind of liked.

[00:56:31] Hmm.

[00:56:32] For sure.

[00:56:34] Cause they show him on,

[00:56:35] they show him like they find him in the ice,

[00:56:37] but we never actually see him get thawed out in that movie,

[00:56:41] which I thought was an interesting way of handling it.

[00:56:44] Yeah.

[00:56:45] Uh,

[00:56:46] so let's see.

[00:56:46] We have the two Iron Man movies,

[00:56:48] Thor,

[00:56:49] Captain America,

[00:56:50] Hulk,

[00:56:52] which I barely remember.

[00:56:54] I didn't even know the Hulk movie.

[00:56:55] I just remember he fought the abomination and they did actually get the guy who played the abomination to come back for his brief scene in G Hulk,

[00:57:03] which I thought was kind of fun.

[00:57:05] Yeah.

[00:57:05] Um,

[00:57:07] but other than that,

[00:57:08] I liked how he was just like a nice guy in that.

[00:57:10] Like,

[00:57:11] he's just like,

[00:57:12] yeah,

[00:57:12] no,

[00:57:12] I've kind of,

[00:57:13] I've kind of moved on from that whole thing.

[00:57:16] Just a guy now.

[00:57:18] Yeah.

[00:57:20] It was just so weird.

[00:57:22] Um,

[00:57:24] yeah,

[00:57:25] that,

[00:57:25] that movie is not the best,

[00:57:27] the incredible Hulk.

[00:57:28] Um,

[00:57:31] so Avengers ended off phase one.

[00:57:34] I think for me personally,

[00:57:36] like the reason why I just don't really care for that movie is the fact that I think I didn't see it when it came out.

[00:57:41] I only saw it like a couple of years afterwards.

[00:57:45] And I think,

[00:57:47] I think I just like the hype was too big.

[00:57:49] So when I watched it,

[00:57:50] I was like,

[00:57:50] it's,

[00:57:50] it's fine,

[00:57:51] but I didn't see what made it like people act like it was the greatest movie ever made.

[00:57:56] I mean,

[00:57:57] I,

[00:57:57] I enjoyed it for what it was.

[00:57:59] Uh,

[00:57:59] the,

[00:58:00] the Avengers,

[00:58:00] the first Avengers film is,

[00:58:02] is one of only two MCU movies I've seen in theaters,

[00:58:06] unless you count Deadpool Wolverine.

[00:58:09] Um,

[00:58:11] and at that point,

[00:58:13] you know,

[00:58:14] I,

[00:58:14] I hadn't,

[00:58:15] you know,

[00:58:15] I was aware of the MCU and like how it was like building up steam and getting a lot of traction at the time.

[00:58:21] But it,

[00:58:23] you know,

[00:58:23] I only went because a friend of mine wanted to go see it and didn't want to go alone,

[00:58:27] you know?

[00:58:27] So,

[00:58:27] so it just happened to,

[00:58:29] you know,

[00:58:30] fall into my lap to go see it.

[00:58:31] And I mean,

[00:58:33] I,

[00:58:33] I enjoyed it for what it was like.

[00:58:34] I wasn't super invested.

[00:58:36] So I just kind of went along for the ride and,

[00:58:39] um,

[00:58:40] I liked Loki as a villain.

[00:58:43] Hmm.

[00:58:44] Um,

[00:58:46] but you know,

[00:58:47] after that,

[00:58:47] it was just kind of like,

[00:58:48] yeah,

[00:58:48] okay.

[00:58:49] That was a,

[00:58:49] that was a fun movie.

[00:58:50] And I,

[00:58:50] I didn't actually watch it again until I was going through my,

[00:58:54] my like full watch through of MCU.

[00:58:57] Um,

[00:58:59] I think for me,

[00:59:00] my,

[00:59:01] I think for me,

[00:59:02] my problem with it was,

[00:59:04] is I came into it after I'd already seen a bunch of phase two movies.

[00:59:08] Um,

[00:59:10] everyone was hyping it up.

[00:59:11] Like it was the greatest thing ever.

[00:59:13] And then I sat down and watched it and I was just kind of like,

[00:59:16] like it's okay.

[00:59:18] Like I didn't,

[00:59:19] I didn't see what made it any better than like,

[00:59:23] like I'd watched the captain America.

[00:59:25] I'd watch Thor before I watched the first iron man before I watched,

[00:59:28] um,

[00:59:29] the Avengers,

[00:59:30] honestly.

[00:59:31] Hmm.

[00:59:32] I just,

[00:59:32] I thought the movie was kind of disjointed.

[00:59:34] I'm not going to lie.

[00:59:35] Like it kind of is all over the place.

[00:59:37] It definitely is.

[00:59:38] Yeah.

[00:59:40] Um,

[00:59:40] and they kind of use that as like the,

[00:59:43] like the central like hub for like tons of stuff.

[00:59:46] That happened later on kind of is like,

[00:59:49] like for instance,

[00:59:50] when I just like,

[00:59:51] before I decided to go back and watch all the MCU movies,

[00:59:54] I,

[00:59:54] I was just like,

[00:59:55] you know what?

[00:59:55] I want to watch the new Spider-Man when all those Spider-Man,

[00:59:58] you know,

[00:59:59] the,

[00:59:59] the three Spider-Man film.

[01:00:02] Um,

[01:00:03] when that came out,

[01:00:04] I was like,

[01:00:04] okay,

[01:00:04] I should watch the new Spider-Man movies because I want to watch that

[01:00:07] one,

[01:00:08] bring it back all the old ones.

[01:00:10] And I went to go watch homecoming and it started off with like the

[01:00:13] ruined city.

[01:00:14] And I didn't realize at the time that this was like after the first

[01:00:16] Avengers movie.

[01:00:16] So I could have kept watching,

[01:00:17] but like it starts off with just the city and ruins and you know,

[01:00:21] they're finding technology and stuff like that.

[01:00:23] And I was so confused that I was like,

[01:00:25] well,

[01:00:25] fuck,

[01:00:25] I guess I have to watch the whole MCU before I can watch this.

[01:00:28] That's,

[01:00:28] that's the problem with these movies is like early on,

[01:00:31] they were all pretty standalone,

[01:00:32] but like the farther you get in,

[01:00:34] they're so unapproachable now,

[01:00:36] like from like for a casual person.

[01:00:38] For sure.

[01:00:40] Like,

[01:00:41] cause like after Avengers one,

[01:00:43] then we get into like phase two and phase two had some pretty

[01:00:47] interesting films.

[01:00:48] Like I know Iron Man three was a big one when it came out.

[01:00:51] Um,

[01:00:53] I remember Iron Man three.

[01:00:55] I remember,

[01:00:56] uh,

[01:00:57] for the dark world,

[01:00:57] my first MCU film that,

[01:00:59] that movie is,

[01:01:00] I understand why people don't like it,

[01:01:02] but I didn't,

[01:01:03] I didn't think it was the worst thing ever.

[01:01:05] Yeah.

[01:01:06] There's definitely worse ones for sure.

[01:01:09] Um,

[01:01:10] Captain America.

[01:01:12] That one was the one with like the elves or whatever.

[01:01:14] Right.

[01:01:14] It was like,

[01:01:15] like blue elves or something.

[01:01:16] I don't remember exactly.

[01:01:18] I know it was like,

[01:01:19] by the end it was like,

[01:01:20] Oh,

[01:01:20] the big thing that they were after was actually an infinity stone.

[01:01:24] Yeah.

[01:01:24] That was kind of like the whole like thing with phase two was like

[01:01:27] gathering the,

[01:01:28] um,

[01:01:29] infinity stones kind of around.

[01:01:31] Well,

[01:01:31] not gathering them,

[01:01:32] just kind of like bringing them into prominence.

[01:01:34] Yeah.

[01:01:36] Calling attention to them.

[01:01:38] Yeah.

[01:01:38] Cause then like after that,

[01:01:40] there was,

[01:01:40] um,

[01:01:41] winter soldier,

[01:01:42] like winter soldier.

[01:01:43] There was a lot of plot though.

[01:01:45] It was like probably the most plot heavy film yet.

[01:01:46] I'd say.

[01:01:48] Yeah.

[01:01:49] And I'll be honest with you.

[01:01:50] I I'm not crazy about the,

[01:01:53] I I'm not like a biggest,

[01:01:54] the biggest captain America fan anyway.

[01:01:57] Um,

[01:01:58] I liked the first one.

[01:01:59] I think more because of the setting and,

[01:02:02] um,

[01:02:03] like the,

[01:02:03] the time period it is set in.

[01:02:06] Um,

[01:02:07] but like everything after that,

[01:02:08] like,

[01:02:09] I know I said,

[01:02:09] like,

[01:02:10] I like the fish out of water stuff,

[01:02:11] but like,

[01:02:11] that's,

[01:02:12] that's like a different kind of fish out of water.

[01:02:14] And it just kind of feels weird.

[01:02:17] I thought it was a well put together film.

[01:02:19] It was definitely the most serious film.

[01:02:21] I think so far in the MCU,

[01:02:24] um,

[01:02:25] there was a lot of plot,

[01:02:26] like getting you ready for stuff that's coming up in that movie.

[01:02:31] It's like,

[01:02:31] they were just pushing the Hydra thing too much.

[01:02:33] And it's still,

[01:02:35] even now,

[01:02:35] like they're still pushing the Hydra stuff,

[01:02:37] even though.

[01:02:39] Like,

[01:02:40] um,

[01:02:41] like that particular iteration of Captain America is down like that.

[01:02:45] I use,

[01:02:45] even in the new stuff,

[01:02:46] you still see Hydra getting,

[01:02:48] getting around,

[01:02:49] like getting to,

[01:02:50] getting to a point,

[01:02:51] you know?

[01:02:53] Um,

[01:02:55] thinking on it now,

[01:02:56] like phase.

[01:02:56] Phase.

[01:02:59] So like still in phase two,

[01:03:02] the big introductions,

[01:03:04] this phase,

[01:03:05] because like we had like the recurring films,

[01:03:08] uh,

[01:03:08] Hulk didn't get another movie.

[01:03:10] He never will get another movie as far as I can tell.

[01:03:13] But,

[01:03:13] um,

[01:03:14] the closest thing was she,

[01:03:16] and that wasn't even him.

[01:03:17] Maybe he just featured.

[01:03:18] Yeah.

[01:03:19] Well,

[01:03:19] I think universal still technically has the rights to it or some weird

[01:03:22] shit there.

[01:03:24] Um,

[01:03:26] so then we had the newcomers.

[01:03:27] We had,

[01:03:28] um,

[01:03:29] guardians of the galaxy,

[01:03:30] which was,

[01:03:31] that was like the one everyone thought was going to bomb.

[01:03:34] And it ended up being probably one of the biggest hits out of the

[01:03:36] entire thing.

[01:03:39] Yeah.

[01:03:40] I,

[01:03:41] I really enjoyed the guardians movie.

[01:03:42] The first one.

[01:03:44] I like the first one and the second one.

[01:03:46] I have still haven't seen the third one.

[01:03:48] Um,

[01:03:49] I just like James.

[01:03:50] I like James guns directing style.

[01:03:52] Like he's got a cool vision,

[01:03:54] which is why I'm really excited for the upcoming DC stuff.

[01:03:57] Cause he's basically running all the DC movies now.

[01:04:01] Yeah.

[01:04:03] Um,

[01:04:04] Oh,

[01:04:04] and an ant man.

[01:04:05] Ant man was the,

[01:04:06] the other newcomer.

[01:04:07] I really liked it.

[01:04:09] That movie was one of the few MZ movies that I saw before I actually went

[01:04:13] through and watched them all.

[01:04:14] Um,

[01:04:15] and that one was just by,

[01:04:17] uh,

[01:04:18] by chance.

[01:04:18] I was actually on a,

[01:04:19] I was on a cruise and they were doing a showing of it in like the

[01:04:22] lobby of the ship.

[01:04:23] I was on,

[01:04:24] I just,

[01:04:25] I had nothing else going on.

[01:04:26] So I sat and watched it and I really enjoyed it.

[01:04:28] But I also like Paul Rudd as an actor.

[01:04:29] I think he's just a funny guy.

[01:04:31] I'm a,

[01:04:31] I'm a friends fan.

[01:04:32] Like I said,

[01:04:33] so like he was on the show for a good while.

[01:04:35] So I like Paul Rudd and I like the,

[01:04:37] I like the whole idea of that.

[01:04:38] Like they,

[01:04:39] I like that they didn't do Hank Pym as the main guy.

[01:04:42] They did Scott Lang.

[01:04:42] Who's just a more interesting character,

[01:04:44] honestly.

[01:04:45] Hmm.

[01:04:46] But I still had,

[01:04:47] I wasn't expecting him to just like throw him into the like Avengers

[01:04:51] compound and just be like,

[01:04:52] Oh yeah,

[01:04:53] he's just fighting Avengers just cause fuck it.

[01:04:55] I love that scene where he just pops up.

[01:04:57] He's like,

[01:04:57] Hey,

[01:04:58] I'm Ant-Man.

[01:04:59] And he just fucking fucks up the Falcon and then fucks off after

[01:05:03] that,

[01:05:03] which was pretty good.

[01:05:04] I just love that the first Ant-Man movie is more like heist movie

[01:05:08] than superhero movie.

[01:05:09] Well,

[01:05:11] the first Ant-Man apparently started production way back.

[01:05:14] Like,

[01:05:14] cause apparently Edgar Wright was originally doing it and then he was off

[01:05:17] the project.

[01:05:18] Then they got Peyton Reed to finish it.

[01:05:21] So we'd had a bit of a promulgious development.

[01:05:26] I just thought it was funny too.

[01:05:28] Like it had a really good plot and like everything.

[01:05:35] Was there any other movies in phase two or were those the main ones?

[01:05:39] Well,

[01:05:39] well between between guardians and Ant-Man,

[01:05:42] there was the second Avengers movie age of Ultron.

[01:05:46] Oh yeah,

[01:05:47] that came out.

[01:05:48] Oh yeah.

[01:05:49] Yeah,

[01:05:49] you're right.

[01:05:49] I forgot.

[01:05:51] For some reason I thought Iron Man three was an Avengers movie.

[01:05:53] I mean,

[01:05:54] it kind of,

[01:05:54] it basically is,

[01:05:55] but that's kind of how I feel about civil war.

[01:05:58] Like,

[01:05:58] I feel like that's more Avengers movie than a Captain America movie.

[01:06:02] I mean,

[01:06:02] yeah,

[01:06:02] it's Captain America,

[01:06:03] not Iron Man.

[01:06:04] That's what I meant.

[01:06:05] Um,

[01:06:06] yeah,

[01:06:07] I forgot age of Ultron was before Ant-Man.

[01:06:09] I mean,

[01:06:09] cause Ant-Man was like school was originally supposed to be like the first film of phase

[01:06:12] three,

[01:06:12] but then they squeezed it right into phase two.

[01:06:15] I feel like they did a similar thing with one of the Spider-Man movies later on.

[01:06:20] They might've honestly,

[01:06:22] um,

[01:06:23] I,

[01:06:23] you know,

[01:06:24] age of Ultron people give that movie shit.

[01:06:26] I actually think I like it more than the first Avengers.

[01:06:28] That's probably a hot take,

[01:06:29] but I'm going to make that one.

[01:06:31] well,

[01:06:31] I liked it cause it,

[01:06:32] it threw,

[01:06:33] um,

[01:06:34] Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch into the,

[01:06:35] into the,

[01:06:37] Oh yeah,

[01:06:37] it did.

[01:06:37] And then they had to kill Quicksilver off because,

[01:06:40] uh,

[01:06:40] Fox owned him.

[01:06:42] Yeah.

[01:06:43] Well,

[01:06:43] actually that was really funny.

[01:06:44] Cause I,

[01:06:44] uh,

[01:06:44] when I was going through the X-Men movies earlier this year,

[01:06:48] I actually found out that,

[01:06:50] um,

[01:06:51] that apparently like in,

[01:06:53] was it,

[01:06:55] days of future past,

[01:06:57] uh,

[01:06:58] uh,

[01:06:58] well,

[01:06:59] they had to,

[01:06:59] they had to do like a prison break to get Magneto out of jail.

[01:07:02] Cause they needed his help with some stuff.

[01:07:03] And originally,

[01:07:04] apparently they were going to have juggernaut help them break him out.

[01:07:07] But then like last minute they changed it.

[01:07:10] Cause they heard that the MCU was,

[01:07:11] was doing stuff with Quicksilver.

[01:07:12] So they said,

[01:07:13] fuck that we're going to do Quicksilver first.

[01:07:15] So they brought him in.

[01:07:16] Yeah.

[01:07:17] Well,

[01:07:17] they technically own the rights to him because of the,

[01:07:19] uh,

[01:07:20] contract they signed.

[01:07:21] So they basically had to screw,

[01:07:22] they screwed,

[01:07:22] uh,

[01:07:23] Disney out of it until Disney bought 20th century Fox.

[01:07:27] But,

[01:07:27] um,

[01:07:29] yeah,

[01:07:29] that is a very interesting way.

[01:07:32] They did that.

[01:07:33] Um,

[01:07:34] I do,

[01:07:34] I do get the fact that the,

[01:07:36] this,

[01:07:36] the framing of age of Ultron is kind of predictable.

[01:07:39] Like they were basically just kind of,

[01:07:41] they needed a reason to do civil war.

[01:07:44] Hmm.

[01:07:46] Um,

[01:07:47] and like,

[01:07:48] I thought it really interesting that they basically turned Scarlet witch into like the

[01:07:53] MCU's dark Phoenix.

[01:07:55] Well,

[01:07:56] cause they couldn't do,

[01:07:57] they couldn't do dark Phoenix.

[01:07:59] Well,

[01:08:00] yet at least,

[01:08:03] but I just found it interesting that that was like kind of the direction they went with

[01:08:06] it.

[01:08:07] Like,

[01:08:08] cause yeah.

[01:08:09] Cause like she started out like kind of against them in age of Ultron.

[01:08:12] And then she came around and then I think,

[01:08:15] I think she was actually the main,

[01:08:17] like,

[01:08:19] um,

[01:08:20] like the main like issue that was caused that made civil war happen in the first place.

[01:08:25] Like her power went out of control and somebody got hurt.

[01:08:28] And like,

[01:08:29] that was why they tried to like,

[01:08:31] like the government tried to put more control over the Avengers.

[01:08:33] And that was what caused the split in the first place.

[01:08:36] I think it was a mix of that.

[01:08:38] And Bucky,

[01:08:38] I think Bucky was part of it as well.

[01:08:41] Probably.

[01:08:43] Um,

[01:08:45] yeah.

[01:08:45] Age of Ultron though.

[01:08:46] I,

[01:08:46] I didn't,

[01:08:46] I did not hate that movie.

[01:08:48] I like a lot of people did.

[01:08:49] I thought it was very entertaining.

[01:08:52] I mean,

[01:08:52] it's not my favorite.

[01:08:54] I'm not,

[01:08:55] I don't know.

[01:08:55] I'm not crazy about like the whole AI thing.

[01:08:59] Um,

[01:08:59] yeah,

[01:09:00] I guess it depends on how it's done.

[01:09:02] Uh,

[01:09:02] cause there are other stuff that I do like that with,

[01:09:05] but,

[01:09:06] um,

[01:09:07] Oh,

[01:09:08] no,

[01:09:08] I got this.

[01:09:10] That's the movie that tried to make,

[01:09:12] uh,

[01:09:13] make,

[01:09:13] um,

[01:09:13] Scarlett Johansson and the Hulk a thing.

[01:09:15] Forgot about that.

[01:09:16] Oh yeah,

[01:09:17] that's right.

[01:09:18] And they kept like doing,

[01:09:19] well,

[01:09:19] they won't they thing afterwards too.

[01:09:21] That was a,

[01:09:21] that was a weird choice.

[01:09:23] They,

[01:09:23] uh,

[01:09:23] they dropped that eventually.

[01:09:25] Cause,

[01:09:25] um,

[01:09:25] yeah,

[01:09:28] that was interesting.

[01:09:29] That's all I'll say.

[01:09:31] Yeah,

[01:09:31] no kidding.

[01:09:34] Is that the movie too?

[01:09:35] We find out,

[01:09:35] um,

[01:09:36] Hawkeye's family gets first announced introduced or was that?

[01:09:40] I think so.

[01:09:41] Yeah.

[01:09:42] I think they,

[01:09:42] we,

[01:09:42] he,

[01:09:42] his family gets first introduced in age of Ultron.

[01:09:46] Cause then it ends with them all kind of splitting off.

[01:09:48] Like he basically retires.

[01:09:49] There's Hulk goes to Fiji.

[01:09:52] Um,

[01:09:54] and they,

[01:09:55] they go their separate ways at the end.

[01:09:58] Yeah.

[01:09:59] Um,

[01:10:00] but yeah,

[01:10:01] I liked civil war for what it was.

[01:10:02] It was,

[01:10:03] it was a fun movie and it introduced,

[01:10:05] um,

[01:10:05] Spider-Man into the MCU.

[01:10:07] Oh yeah.

[01:10:07] That was the big reveal.

[01:10:09] Like,

[01:10:10] um,

[01:10:11] Tom Holland,

[01:10:12] Spider-Man,

[01:10:13] like,

[01:10:13] cause they made the deal with Sony.

[01:10:15] Um,

[01:10:16] they almost ruined the deal with Sony because they couldn't help

[01:10:19] themselves.

[01:10:22] That's one of my favorite Sony moments ever.

[01:10:24] Like,

[01:10:25] uh,

[01:10:25] when they went to renegotiate the contract,

[01:10:27] they tried to like get more money out of,

[01:10:30] um,

[01:10:31] Sony for,

[01:10:31] for Spider-Man,

[01:10:33] uh,

[01:10:33] to license Spider-Man into the MCU.

[01:10:36] And so Sony's response was,

[01:10:38] okay,

[01:10:38] fine.

[01:10:38] We're going to take our toys and go somewhere else.

[01:10:41] Basically.

[01:10:42] Disney was like,

[01:10:44] fuck.

[01:10:44] Um,

[01:10:45] come back,

[01:10:46] please.

[01:10:47] Nevermind.

[01:10:48] Original deal.

[01:10:49] Fine.

[01:10:50] We'll be fine.

[01:10:51] Disney ended up getting,

[01:10:52] not Disney.

[01:10:52] Sony ended up getting more.

[01:10:54] Cause I think they got exclusive game rights too.

[01:10:56] Cause that's why,

[01:10:56] uh,

[01:10:56] Spider-Man's PlayStation only.

[01:10:58] That makes sense.

[01:11:01] But yeah,

[01:11:01] I remember that like they,

[01:11:03] Disney tried to throw their weight around and then Sony was like,

[01:11:06] no,

[01:11:06] we'll just take our toys and leave.

[01:11:07] It doesn't matter if we make shitty films.

[01:11:12] Yeah,

[01:11:12] that was a,

[01:11:13] that was an interesting,

[01:11:14] there was going to be a,

[01:11:15] a Tom Holland,

[01:11:16] non MCU movie at one point because of that.

[01:11:19] But then they,

[01:11:21] obviously gets Disney gave in real fast.

[01:11:24] No,

[01:11:24] I'm sure.

[01:11:26] Yeah.

[01:11:27] After civil war,

[01:11:27] we had the first Dr.

[01:11:28] Strange movie,

[01:11:30] which very fantastic movie.

[01:11:32] Yeah.

[01:11:33] Yeah.

[01:11:34] It was good.

[01:11:35] It's one of those movies where I kind of went into it and I was kind of

[01:11:37] like,

[01:11:37] I have,

[01:11:38] this was,

[01:11:39] this was around the point of like the,

[01:11:41] uh,

[01:11:42] the,

[01:11:42] the Marvel movies.

[01:11:43] I was like,

[01:11:43] I have no idea who this guy is.

[01:11:45] So I'm just kind of going into it.

[01:11:47] Hmm.

[01:11:49] Um,

[01:11:49] I thought it worked really well for what it was though.

[01:11:51] No,

[01:11:51] it was a good movie.

[01:11:52] I liked the fantastical elements of it.

[01:11:55] I thought the acting was very well done and it's set up.

[01:11:58] It was another infinity stone set up.

[01:12:01] Hmm.

[01:12:01] Hmm.

[01:12:02] Um,

[01:12:03] what was after that?

[01:12:04] Was it Thor,

[01:12:06] the dark,

[01:12:06] uh,

[01:12:07] Thor Ragnarok after that or guardians two was,

[01:12:10] Oh,

[01:12:10] guardians,

[01:12:11] guardians two.

[01:12:12] It was a very fun movie.

[01:12:14] Yeah.

[01:12:14] Cause that was the one with,

[01:12:15] uh,

[01:12:17] ego,

[01:12:17] the living.

[01:12:18] Yeah.

[01:12:19] The,

[01:12:19] the dad guy,

[01:12:20] I forget the,

[01:12:21] his character.

[01:12:22] Uh,

[01:12:23] what the hell is Chris Pratt's character's name?

[01:12:26] Oh,

[01:12:26] star Lord.

[01:12:28] Yeah.

[01:12:28] Well,

[01:12:29] yeah,

[01:12:29] I might like his actual name,

[01:12:30] but,

[01:12:31] Oh,

[01:12:34] good question.

[01:12:35] I don't remember.

[01:12:36] Um,

[01:12:39] yeah,

[01:12:40] that's actually another fun one.

[01:12:41] Cause I believe actually Disney did not realize that Fox technically owned the rights to ego,

[01:12:46] the living planet.

[01:12:48] Oh yeah.

[01:12:49] And then they had to like make a deal with Fox.

[01:12:52] I think that they gave Fox more creative control over one of the X-Men characters that they,

[01:12:56] they didn't have the rights to.

[01:12:58] And then they gave Disney the rights to use ego.

[01:13:01] So it was kind of one of those deal for a deal things before.

[01:13:04] They,

[01:13:04] uh,

[01:13:05] just bought Fox entirely.

[01:13:07] Yeah.

[01:13:08] The,

[01:13:08] the,

[01:13:09] the whole,

[01:13:09] like,

[01:13:11] I know we've talked about it a bit already,

[01:13:12] but the whole like debacle with the film rights for different Marvel superheroes,

[01:13:16] stuff like that is so fucking out there and wild,

[01:13:19] like so all over the place.

[01:13:21] Literally.

[01:13:22] It's,

[01:13:23] it's one of the things that DC did.

[01:13:26] Right.

[01:13:26] It was when DC sold themselves off,

[01:13:28] like way back in like the seventies,

[01:13:30] I think it was,

[01:13:31] I think it was,

[01:13:32] and ended up under a time Warner.

[01:13:34] They've always been basically under a big parent company.

[01:13:37] So they've never actually had to suffer from going bankrupt.

[01:13:40] So they never lost anything like that.

[01:13:43] Yeah.

[01:13:45] Um,

[01:13:45] but yeah,

[01:13:46] all,

[01:13:46] all told,

[01:13:47] I think guardians too,

[01:13:48] was definitely one of the stronger movies.

[01:13:50] I enjoyed it a lot.

[01:13:51] It kind of really,

[01:13:52] really started pushing the whole star Lord and,

[01:13:55] and Gaborah thing,

[01:13:56] which,

[01:13:58] which where that,

[01:13:59] where that ends up later is really funny.

[01:14:02] I just find it funny.

[01:14:03] Like guardians two ends on such a fucking like heartbreaking,

[01:14:06] but like heartwarming note,

[01:14:08] like with,

[01:14:08] um,

[01:14:09] a funeral scene at the end.

[01:14:11] But,

[01:14:11] um,

[01:14:13] all of that gets fucking thrown away when you get to infinity war,

[01:14:16] because infinity war fucking just gets all over that ending.

[01:14:20] Yep.

[01:14:20] Well,

[01:14:21] infinity war end game kind of just like,

[01:14:24] if it had ended there,

[01:14:26] it would have been perfect,

[01:14:26] but because they continue to kind of like ruined a lot of things.

[01:14:31] Yeah.

[01:14:32] Unfortunately,

[01:14:33] Spider-Man homecoming though,

[01:14:35] like that was another big movie during this period.

[01:14:39] Hmm.

[01:14:40] And I,

[01:14:40] I gotta say,

[01:14:41] I love,

[01:14:42] uh,

[01:14:42] seeing Michael Keaton in another superhero movie as a villain this time,

[01:14:45] which is really fun.

[01:14:46] Well,

[01:14:46] let's be real here.

[01:14:47] 89 Batman was basically a villain.

[01:14:49] He fucking kills people left and right in that movie.

[01:14:51] movie.

[01:14:53] Yeah,

[01:14:54] that's true.

[01:14:55] But like,

[01:14:56] I love Batman.

[01:14:57] It's still like my favorite Batman movie though.

[01:14:59] Oh,

[01:15:00] it's a great film,

[01:15:01] but he is a terrible Batman.

[01:15:03] Not,

[01:15:03] not,

[01:15:03] not Keaton acting.

[01:15:04] Just the Batman he's playing is a terrible Batman.

[01:15:07] Cause he just straight up kills people left and right in that movie.

[01:15:11] Well,

[01:15:11] it was a Tim Burton film.

[01:15:12] So I guess you can't be too surprised that it was unnecessarily dark.

[01:15:16] Yeah.

[01:15:17] I love that movie,

[01:15:18] but it's so fucking hilarious.

[01:15:20] Looking at it.

[01:15:21] It was like one of the first,

[01:15:22] it was like one of the first,

[01:15:24] like big superhero movies I saw.

[01:15:28] It was,

[01:15:28] it was one of the first really successful super.

[01:15:32] Well,

[01:15:32] no,

[01:15:32] actually the first really successful superhero movie was Superman.

[01:15:35] Yeah.

[01:15:36] The Richard Donner movie with Christopher Reeve.

[01:15:41] That was like the first,

[01:15:42] like really successful one,

[01:15:43] but like Batman's like the one everyone thinks of,

[01:15:45] thinks of,

[01:15:46] I think between those and like the animated universe for DC,

[01:15:51] you're like the big reasons why I ended up more DC than Marvel.

[01:15:55] Well,

[01:15:55] the DC animated universe alone kind of shaped a lot of people because Marvel's

[01:15:59] other than like Spider-Man and X-Men,

[01:16:01] most of Marvel's animated stuff wasn't particularly interesting at the time.

[01:16:06] Hmm.

[01:16:08] Yeah.

[01:16:08] At least I don't remember it.

[01:16:11] Yeah.

[01:16:12] Well,

[01:16:12] I mean,

[01:16:13] that was pretty much it.

[01:16:14] It was a Spider-Man and X-Men.

[01:16:16] That was what kind of carried the animated stuff or in Marvel.

[01:16:20] Well,

[01:16:20] you didn't like Spider-Man and his amazing friends.

[01:16:23] I didn't watch that.

[01:16:25] I didn't either.

[01:16:26] It's just one that always pops into my head for some reason.

[01:16:29] I watched radioactive spider blood.

[01:16:32] I can love that.

[01:16:33] Stop.

[01:16:38] We'll talk,

[01:16:38] we'll talk about the animated stuff at another time.

[01:16:41] Like,

[01:16:41] cause we're going to obviously talk DC animated universe at some point.

[01:16:44] Oh,

[01:16:45] for sure.

[01:16:46] We got to do an episode just on static shock alone.

[01:16:50] I didn't really watch a bunch of that.

[01:16:51] I love that show.

[01:16:52] It starts off as a,

[01:16:54] as a world within a world where they're reading Batman comics and then Batman

[01:16:56] shows up later.

[01:16:57] It's great.

[01:16:58] It's like,

[01:16:59] this makes sense.

[01:17:00] Yeah.

[01:17:00] It's perfect.

[01:17:02] Uh,

[01:17:02] back to,

[01:17:03] um,

[01:17:04] MCU though.

[01:17:05] Like Spider-Man was a very good movie.

[01:17:08] I like Tom Holland to Spider-Man.

[01:17:10] I know some people don't.

[01:17:11] Um,

[01:17:13] cause a lot of,

[01:17:13] if I'm being honest,

[01:17:14] this is my,

[01:17:15] this is my least favorite Spider-Man,

[01:17:17] like iteration of Spider-Man.

[01:17:19] That's fair.

[01:17:20] Um,

[01:17:21] he's definitely the most,

[01:17:23] he's the most fitting of the,

[01:17:25] like the teenage Spider-Man like trope,

[01:17:27] because as much as I love Tobey Maguire,

[01:17:29] like as Spider-Man,

[01:17:31] those high school scenes are so fucking hilarious to watch now because it's

[01:17:35] like,

[01:17:35] you look at the kid,

[01:17:37] the kids in the school and there's like a 40 year old woman chilling in

[01:17:42] the background.

[01:17:43] It's like,

[01:17:44] yeah,

[01:17:44] it's definitely a teenager right there.

[01:17:46] Well,

[01:17:47] wasn't,

[01:17:47] uh,

[01:17:48] wasn't Tobey Maguire like our age?

[01:17:52] Like now when he was not,

[01:17:54] yeah,

[01:17:54] he was not,

[01:17:55] he was,

[01:17:55] he was not in his like teens at that point.

[01:17:59] Like nobody,

[01:17:59] he had a young face,

[01:18:00] but still like,

[01:18:01] it was pretty obvious that he wasn't a teenager.

[01:18:04] You look at all of the students at that high school and you're like,

[01:18:08] these are all like 30 year olds chilling around.

[01:18:11] There's just this one scene of like this woman in the background,

[01:18:14] like doing like a fist bump.

[01:18:15] And it's like,

[01:18:15] that is a 40 year old woman guys.

[01:18:16] You're not hiding anybody.

[01:18:19] I,

[01:18:19] I,

[01:18:19] I just love that.

[01:18:20] Um,

[01:18:21] that,

[01:18:21] um,

[01:18:22] flash Thomas from,

[01:18:23] from that movie is going to be crocodile and live action.

[01:18:27] One piece.

[01:18:28] Yeah.

[01:18:29] That's hilarious.

[01:18:31] It is Tom.

[01:18:32] Is it flash Thompson or Thomas?

[01:18:35] Flash Thompson?

[01:18:36] I think that's what I thought.

[01:18:37] All right.

[01:18:37] Yeah.

[01:18:38] Whoops.

[01:18:39] He was also venom at one point.

[01:18:42] That's so weird.

[01:18:44] Um,

[01:18:46] but yeah,

[01:18:47] no,

[01:18:47] it just all,

[01:18:47] I mean,

[01:18:48] I,

[01:18:48] I don't hate any of the new Spider-Man movies,

[01:18:50] but I just,

[01:18:51] I,

[01:18:52] I just feel like this iteration of Spider-Man just doesn't do it for me the way the other

[01:18:56] two do.

[01:18:58] Well,

[01:18:58] I will say I prefer one of the reasons why I fell out of reading Spider-Man comics is

[01:19:03] because I hate the fact that Marvel won't let him grow up.

[01:19:07] Um,

[01:19:08] like that's just,

[01:19:09] well,

[01:19:09] yeah.

[01:19:10] Cause he,

[01:19:10] cause he got,

[01:19:10] cause he got blipped.

[01:19:12] So he didn't get to age with everybody else.

[01:19:16] Well,

[01:19:16] they,

[01:19:16] he made a deal with the devil to get rid of his marriage to save his like 90 year old

[01:19:20] grant,

[01:19:21] like aunt.

[01:19:22] Who's going to die soon.

[01:19:24] Anyways.

[01:19:24] It's like,

[01:19:26] I have a lot of problems with one more day.

[01:19:28] That's,

[01:19:28] that's all I will say.

[01:19:30] Um,

[01:19:30] fair.

[01:19:31] And I'm not a huge fan of this,

[01:19:33] this iteration of MJ either.

[01:19:35] Like,

[01:19:35] well,

[01:19:36] it's not Mary Jane.

[01:19:37] It's another character.

[01:19:38] They just use MJ because it's an appealing name for fans.

[01:19:42] They just did MJ just to,

[01:19:44] just to say,

[01:19:45] Oh look,

[01:19:45] we got MJ,

[01:19:46] but they,

[01:19:47] they,

[01:19:47] they threw the Mary Jane fans a bone,

[01:19:50] but it's not the same character.

[01:19:52] Yeah.

[01:19:53] Not even close.

[01:19:54] I did.

[01:19:55] I do like random,

[01:19:56] like young aunt may though.

[01:19:58] Cause I just find that as a funny joke.

[01:20:00] Yeah.

[01:20:02] The whole thing was happy.

[01:20:04] I just like when Robert Downey Jr.

[01:20:05] She was like,

[01:20:06] it's like your shockingly young aunts.

[01:20:08] Like they tracked him on.

[01:20:10] It's like,

[01:20:11] well,

[01:20:12] especially cause aunt may has always been like a fucking fossil in the

[01:20:15] fucking comics.

[01:20:16] So it's been like,

[01:20:17] it's just really funny.

[01:20:18] And like hindsight,

[01:20:19] it's like,

[01:20:19] Oh,

[01:20:19] this is a much younger woman.

[01:20:22] It's funny.

[01:20:22] Cause if,

[01:20:23] if Spider-Man ever gets rebooted again,

[01:20:25] she's just going to be his younger sister or something.

[01:20:27] She's getting younger and younger.

[01:20:30] I don't even,

[01:20:31] I don't even remember aunt may in the Garfield films,

[01:20:33] but I barely remember the Garfield films as it is.

[01:20:36] I mean,

[01:20:37] I,

[01:20:37] I liked the amazing Spider-Man movies.

[01:20:39] I like the first one,

[01:20:41] the second one.

[01:20:42] Yeah.

[01:20:43] I don't know.

[01:20:44] I liked the whole,

[01:20:45] like,

[01:20:45] I just felt like a more grounded version of Spider-Man.

[01:20:48] Like he was like an angry,

[01:20:50] an angry kid for,

[01:20:52] you know,

[01:20:52] the things that he went through and he had to kind of go through the motions

[01:20:55] and figure himself out.

[01:20:58] The way I always saw it was.

[01:21:01] Toby McGuire was a better Peter Parker.

[01:21:03] Andrew Garfield was a better Spider-Man.

[01:21:07] That's Tom Holland is a good mix of both.

[01:21:11] For what he does.

[01:21:13] That's fair.

[01:21:14] I think maybe that's the biggest thing is that I feel like he's like Tom Holland.

[01:21:19] Spider-Man is just too,

[01:21:20] like,

[01:21:21] Oh,

[01:21:22] confused high school kid.

[01:21:23] Like,

[01:21:23] you know,

[01:21:24] like you just kind of like leaned way too hard into that for three full movies.

[01:21:28] He's very much what Spider-Man started out as,

[01:21:32] which I think is what they were going for.

[01:21:35] The problem is when we were,

[01:21:36] when the,

[01:21:37] the,

[01:21:37] the Sam Raimi films,

[01:21:39] then the Garfield films came out,

[01:21:41] Spider-Man was already married.

[01:21:43] when the Sam Raimi films came out,

[01:21:44] he was definitely married when the Garfield films came out.

[01:21:46] Not so much,

[01:21:47] but that's,

[01:21:47] we knew he was married at one point.

[01:21:50] So we were used to like adult Spider-Man by then.

[01:21:53] So like when they kind of reverted back to a young Spider-Man,

[01:21:55] it was a little jarring.

[01:22:01] That being said though,

[01:22:02] I liked homecoming,

[01:22:03] even though like,

[01:22:03] I think they leaned a bit too hard on Robert Downey Jr.

[01:22:06] in that movie at times.

[01:22:08] Yeah.

[01:22:09] I kind of get what they were going for though.

[01:22:10] Cause I don't know how much they had planned at that point.

[01:22:13] Like as far as like where it was going to go with end game and everything,

[01:22:16] but you could definitely see like they were building up for,

[01:22:19] for Tony Stark to pass the torch to him at some point in the future.

[01:22:23] And that's kind of like where,

[01:22:24] where all that was going.

[01:22:26] They've always had a relationship in the comics.

[01:22:28] So it made sense.

[01:22:33] Other than that,

[01:22:34] like we had Ant-Man and the Wasp,

[01:22:37] which is a movie a lot of people hate,

[01:22:39] but I really like.

[01:22:42] Mostly just cause it's Paul Rudd,

[01:22:44] Paul Rudd being a freaking goofball,

[01:22:46] the entire movie.

[01:22:50] Um,

[01:22:53] maybe we skipped over a couple.

[01:22:56] There was a lot in phase three.

[01:22:59] Yeah.

[01:22:59] Phase three is definitely the biggest out of the first three.

[01:23:03] Um,

[01:23:06] and then after that,

[01:23:06] it was just,

[01:23:07] there was just so many different frigging.

[01:23:11] Oh,

[01:23:11] this list doesn't even include the series.

[01:23:14] Well,

[01:23:14] I,

[01:23:14] I don't remember the TV series either.

[01:23:16] So.

[01:23:17] Yeah.

[01:23:18] Well,

[01:23:18] I mean,

[01:23:18] you pretty much with the exception of Spider-Man and Deadpool,

[01:23:21] you pretty much stopped after end game,

[01:23:23] right?

[01:23:24] Yeah.

[01:23:25] Because I just could not care anymore.

[01:23:28] That's fair.

[01:23:29] I mean,

[01:23:29] I was going through,

[01:23:30] I was going through superhero burnout by that point as it was.

[01:23:34] Mostly because all the DC,

[01:23:35] the DC movies just weren't doing it for me at the time.

[01:23:38] And I'm a bigger DC fan.

[01:23:40] So I was just kind of like,

[01:23:41] I've done with superheroes.

[01:23:42] I moved on for a bit.

[01:23:44] Yeah.

[01:23:46] Uh,

[01:23:46] Thor Ragnarok though.

[01:23:47] I really liked that one.

[01:23:49] Um,

[01:23:49] that is a good movie.

[01:23:50] That,

[01:23:51] that is a very,

[01:23:52] I think in hindsight,

[01:23:55] underappreciated movie for just how good it is.

[01:23:58] Like,

[01:23:58] I feel like like that was the kind of tone that,

[01:24:01] that people were hoping for with love and thunder.

[01:24:04] Well,

[01:24:05] cause it was a director.

[01:24:07] Yeah.

[01:24:07] Well,

[01:24:07] Ragnarok definitely was,

[01:24:10] uh,

[01:24:11] like obviously it had its fun moments and stuff,

[01:24:13] but it was definitely a bleaker film.

[01:24:15] Uh,

[01:24:15] well,

[01:24:16] yeah.

[01:24:16] Cause it was like Thor basically gets like utterly wrecked and he's got to

[01:24:21] fucking rebuild.

[01:24:21] And it's just such a fun,

[01:24:23] fun story,

[01:24:24] um,

[01:24:25] going on.

[01:24:26] And we also get the Hulk,

[01:24:28] which is hilarious.

[01:24:28] Cause they go through with that entire,

[01:24:30] uh,

[01:24:30] buildup.

[01:24:31] And then he gets fucking owned by Thanos at the start of infinity

[01:24:35] wars.

[01:24:35] I was like,

[01:24:36] damn.

[01:24:37] Yeah.

[01:24:37] Cause I'm pretty sure it ends like the,

[01:24:39] isn't that like the post credit scene of that movie?

[01:24:41] Like pretty much Thanos boarding them in their spaceship.

[01:24:46] Yeah.

[01:24:47] I believe so.

[01:24:47] Which is crazy because there was like four movies in between that and

[01:24:51] end game and infinity war.

[01:24:53] Yeah.

[01:24:55] Um,

[01:24:56] and then black Panther,

[01:24:57] which was like,

[01:24:58] right,

[01:24:59] right.

[01:24:59] That was a really good movie,

[01:25:01] but I,

[01:25:01] for some reason I always forget about it.

[01:25:04] It was one of those ones that was,

[01:25:05] I feel like it was like a last minute introduction or a last minute,

[01:25:08] uh,

[01:25:09] edition.

[01:25:10] Um,

[01:25:11] yeah,

[01:25:12] like there was literally the last movie before infinity war.

[01:25:15] So it was kind of like,

[01:25:17] like they just wanted to squeeze him in there just so he could be like

[01:25:20] involved in all of that.

[01:25:22] Captain Marvel was in there too.

[01:25:24] I believe,

[01:25:24] right?

[01:25:25] Um,

[01:25:27] Captain Marvel was between infinity war and end game.

[01:25:31] Right.

[01:25:32] Yeah.

[01:25:32] Cause it was like the last one of the last.

[01:25:37] Oh yeah.

[01:25:38] But yeah,

[01:25:38] I forget.

[01:25:39] I always forget about this cause I forgot they split them.

[01:25:42] Yeah.

[01:25:43] Cause,

[01:25:44] uh,

[01:25:44] between,

[01:25:44] between infinity war and end game,

[01:25:46] we had ant-man and wasp and Captain Marvel.

[01:25:49] Right.

[01:25:49] Oh yeah.

[01:25:49] Because like the,

[01:25:50] the big whole deal was like,

[01:25:53] they were hyping up Captain Marvel as their first female lead.

[01:25:56] And then it ended up getting upset.

[01:25:58] They ended up putting him into the wasp out first,

[01:26:00] which was the actual first female lead of an,

[01:26:03] of a Marvel movie.

[01:26:05] I do.

[01:26:06] I find it really funny looking at this list.

[01:26:08] Cause apparently Captain Marvel came out like a month and a half before

[01:26:10] end game.

[01:26:12] It did.

[01:26:13] Cause it,

[01:26:14] cause they,

[01:26:14] the post credit scene for,

[01:26:16] um,

[01:26:18] ant-man and the wasp is like,

[01:26:19] they're up on the roof and they get snapped.

[01:26:22] Mm.

[01:26:23] Um,

[01:26:23] yeah.

[01:26:23] I remember Paul Rudd is just stuck in the thing.

[01:26:27] Yeah.

[01:26:27] Which fucking that scene drove me nuts.

[01:26:30] Cause I was like,

[01:26:30] God damn it.

[01:26:31] Now we have to wait.

[01:26:33] Yep.

[01:26:34] Um,

[01:26:34] I don't remember what Captain Marvel's was.

[01:26:37] Cause I barely remember that movie.

[01:26:39] I,

[01:26:40] I,

[01:26:40] I think the end of that was just,

[01:26:42] uh,

[01:26:43] like it was,

[01:26:44] um,

[01:26:46] uh,

[01:26:47] what the hell?

[01:26:48] Why am I blanking on Sam Jackson's?

[01:26:51] Oh,

[01:26:52] Nick Fury.

[01:26:54] Yeah.

[01:26:54] Nick Fury.

[01:26:55] I think it was him like sending up the signal as he's being blipped,

[01:26:59] like the summon signal for.

[01:27:01] Right.

[01:27:01] Right.

[01:27:02] Right.

[01:27:02] Yep.

[01:27:04] And I will say like,

[01:27:05] I know,

[01:27:06] like,

[01:27:07] like you have mixed feelings on the Captain Marvel film,

[01:27:09] but I love the explanation for how Nick Fury lost his eye.

[01:27:13] I found that incredibly funny.

[01:27:15] There was moments in it that I liked.

[01:27:17] I just didn't think the movie itself was very,

[01:27:20] I think it might just be,

[01:27:21] I'm not a big fan of Brie Larson.

[01:27:23] That might be it.

[01:27:24] Honestly.

[01:27:25] That's fair.

[01:27:26] Was it Scott Pilgrim?

[01:27:27] Is that what made you not like her?

[01:27:29] No,

[01:27:29] she's,

[01:27:30] she's so minor in that movie that I don't.

[01:27:33] Fair.

[01:27:33] It's more.

[01:27:35] I don't know.

[01:27:37] I really don't know.

[01:27:38] I think I actually,

[01:27:38] Captain Marvel made me kind of not like her.

[01:27:40] I don't know.

[01:27:41] That's fair.

[01:27:42] I just didn't like that movie for whatever reason.

[01:27:46] But,

[01:27:46] um,

[01:27:47] maybe we should like,

[01:27:48] kind of like talk about infinity war and game as like a duo.

[01:27:51] That's what I was thinking.

[01:27:52] Cause they kind of work together.

[01:27:56] I was to the point where it feels weird that they didn't happen back to back.

[01:28:01] Well,

[01:28:01] I think they were supposed to,

[01:28:02] and then they realized money.

[01:28:04] Yeah,

[01:28:05] that's fair.

[01:28:07] Um,

[01:28:08] no,

[01:28:09] I,

[01:28:10] like,

[01:28:10] I,

[01:28:11] I knew like a lot of stuff going in,

[01:28:13] not like a ton of stuff,

[01:28:14] but I,

[01:28:14] I knew that there was stuff going into it.

[01:28:16] Like I knew that,

[01:28:18] um,

[01:28:19] that Iron Man was going to die by the end of it.

[01:28:22] But for some reason I thought that he was going to get blipped with everybody else.

[01:28:24] And then he didn't.

[01:28:25] And then I was like,

[01:28:26] oh,

[01:28:26] okay.

[01:28:26] So he's going to like die permanently by the end of end game.

[01:28:30] Yeah.

[01:28:30] The people who got blipped kind of surprised me.

[01:28:33] Like I was actually amazed they blipped Spider-Man to be honest.

[01:28:37] Yeah.

[01:28:38] But I mean,

[01:28:38] that also kind of like with,

[01:28:41] um,

[01:28:41] with Tony Stark and,

[01:28:42] and Peter Parker's relationship,

[01:28:43] it makes sense that that would happen.

[01:28:46] But then he would,

[01:28:46] he would like,

[01:28:48] you know,

[01:28:49] he would feel all the guilt from it because he had that relationship with him and he was building him up and everything.

[01:28:53] And,

[01:28:54] um,

[01:28:56] and then he actually settled down with,

[01:28:58] uh,

[01:28:59] the woman with the dumbest sounding name ever.

[01:29:03] Oh,

[01:29:03] Pepper Pops.

[01:29:04] Yeah.

[01:29:05] It's just dumbest fucking name ever.

[01:29:06] Like,

[01:29:06] I don't know who the hell thought that was a good idea,

[01:29:08] but that is a stupid fucking name.

[01:29:10] Uh,

[01:29:11] and every time,

[01:29:11] every time I would hear,

[01:29:13] every time I heard it,

[01:29:14] it just made me like angry.

[01:29:16] So it's,

[01:29:17] it's just part of like,

[01:29:20] uh,

[01:29:20] superhero love interest with a literate,

[01:29:22] a literate,

[01:29:22] a literate names,

[01:29:24] a literate,

[01:29:25] alliterate names are all fine and good.

[01:29:27] I have no problem with that.

[01:29:28] Like Bruce Banner makes sense.

[01:29:29] Peter Parker makes sense.

[01:29:31] Pepper Potts.

[01:29:32] What fucking parent would name their child Pepper Potts?

[01:29:38] I don't know.

[01:29:38] It was like the sixties.

[01:29:43] Their parents must've been on LSD or something.

[01:29:45] Cause that's fucking ridiculous.

[01:29:48] That's one of my,

[01:29:48] let's let me,

[01:29:49] let me see here.

[01:29:50] I'm legitimately curious when,

[01:29:52] when,

[01:29:53] how old is Iron Man?

[01:29:54] When was Iron Man first created?

[01:29:55] 62.

[01:29:56] So it was around the sixties.

[01:29:58] So it was around the same time that Spider-Man and X-Men came around.

[01:30:02] Well,

[01:30:02] yeah,

[01:30:02] cause Marvel's people don't realize Marvel is a younger company than DC.

[01:30:06] DC has been around since the fucking thirties.

[01:30:11] Superman's old.

[01:30:14] Yeah.

[01:30:18] But yeah,

[01:30:18] I was at,

[01:30:19] I was trying to think.

[01:30:20] Yeah.

[01:30:20] Cause I,

[01:30:22] I loved what they did with Hawkeye in end game.

[01:30:26] Like how like his entire family got blipped.

[01:30:29] Yeah.

[01:30:29] So he becomes a fucking killer.

[01:30:32] Yeah.

[01:30:33] Yeah.

[01:30:35] Yeah.

[01:30:36] That was really funny too.

[01:30:37] Cause he wasn't,

[01:30:38] he was like the Ronin or something.

[01:30:40] And that like became like a big thing later on.

[01:30:44] That the.

[01:30:46] God.

[01:30:46] Infinity war.

[01:30:47] I saw that in twice in theaters.

[01:30:49] Cause I saw it once.

[01:30:50] It was the funniest thing.

[01:30:51] I saw it on my own and then Alex wanted to see it.

[01:30:54] So we went,

[01:30:54] I went and saw it like the next day again.

[01:30:58] And I had warned her beforehand.

[01:30:59] I was like,

[01:31:00] it's good.

[01:31:00] It's good.

[01:31:01] The cliffhanger is rough.

[01:31:02] And she was like,

[01:31:03] I still want to see it.

[01:31:03] I'm like,

[01:31:04] okay.

[01:31:04] And then she was all pissed off at me.

[01:31:06] She's like,

[01:31:06] that fucking shark.

[01:31:07] Why?

[01:31:07] That cliffhanger was stupid.

[01:31:09] And I'm just like,

[01:31:10] worry about Alex.

[01:31:11] We get,

[01:31:11] we got to wait for the next part.

[01:31:12] She's like,

[01:31:12] I didn't like it.

[01:31:13] It sucked.

[01:31:14] She's like,

[01:31:14] they killed the guardians.

[01:31:18] Cause Alex really was like one of the only ones that's left was like rocket.

[01:31:21] Right?

[01:31:22] Yeah.

[01:31:23] He was the last one.

[01:31:24] Cause they killed Groot.

[01:31:25] They killed Peter Quill.

[01:31:26] That's his goddamn name.

[01:31:28] Peter.

[01:31:29] Yep.

[01:31:30] Gamora got thrown off the ledge.

[01:31:32] Yep.

[01:31:34] Nebula was around,

[01:31:35] right?

[01:31:35] Right.

[01:31:37] Yeah.

[01:31:38] I don't remember if she got flipped or not.

[01:31:40] No,

[01:31:40] I think she was still around because I think it was her and rocket were in endgame.

[01:31:44] Mm.

[01:31:46] I do like that.

[01:31:47] She kind of became like the like impromptu replacement for Gamora in the guardians.

[01:31:53] Yeah.

[01:31:53] Oh,

[01:31:54] I mean,

[01:31:54] that's the one thing I,

[01:31:55] that kind of annoyed me about infinity war.

[01:31:57] It kind of ignores the ending of guardians too.

[01:32:00] Cause guardians too.

[01:32:01] Had like all these different characters and this whole like new ship and plot thing.

[01:32:05] And then when they show up in the door,

[01:32:06] they're still on the old ship with the old crew.

[01:32:08] And I'm just like,

[01:32:09] Oh yeah,

[01:32:09] they must've,

[01:32:09] uh,

[01:32:11] they must,

[01:32:11] must've forgot about that.

[01:32:13] Hmm.

[01:32:14] Hmm.

[01:32:15] Well,

[01:32:15] that was really weird that like,

[01:32:17] um,

[01:32:19] like the whole concept of like,

[01:32:20] like Peter Quill's heritage and stuff with the planet eco,

[01:32:24] whatever.

[01:32:25] Like it didn't make any sense to me.

[01:32:27] Like the whole concept behind that is like,

[01:32:29] Oh,

[01:32:29] like you're part God,

[01:32:30] but only while I'm alive.

[01:32:32] What?

[01:32:34] Comics.

[01:32:35] It doesn't make any sense.

[01:32:37] So,

[01:32:37] okay.

[01:32:39] So who is your dad and where is he?

[01:32:41] Because if he's still like,

[01:32:43] if you still have your power,

[01:32:44] he must be alive.

[01:32:45] I mean,

[01:32:46] this is comic book.

[01:32:48] I mean,

[01:32:48] in,

[01:32:49] in the green lantern universe,

[01:32:50] there's a literal green lantern.

[01:32:51] That's a planet.

[01:32:52] So.

[01:32:54] Yeah.

[01:32:54] I don't know.

[01:32:55] It's just some,

[01:32:56] sometimes they do things like that.

[01:32:58] And I'm just like,

[01:32:58] that doesn't make any fucking sense.

[01:33:00] It's like,

[01:33:00] they were just like,

[01:33:01] literally like grasping at straws to come up with a reason to frame,

[01:33:04] not to have godly powers.

[01:33:07] Well,

[01:33:08] yeah,

[01:33:08] but comics don't make sense in general.

[01:33:11] So.

[01:33:12] Which like,

[01:33:14] I don't know.

[01:33:15] I guess it makes sense with them not wanting to him to have powers because

[01:33:17] their whole,

[01:33:18] the whole guardians thing is that they're like a ragtag group.

[01:33:20] Like just kind of like,

[01:33:21] you know,

[01:33:22] perseveres through guts and whatnot.

[01:33:24] But like,

[01:33:26] I mean that you have multiple other characters with godlike powers.

[01:33:29] So like adding another one wouldn't really be that big a deal.

[01:33:32] Yeah.

[01:33:33] No,

[01:33:34] you know what they say in comics.

[01:33:36] Yeah.

[01:33:37] No one says,

[01:33:38] you got like Scarlet witch who,

[01:33:39] who's powerful enough to destroy infinity stones.

[01:33:44] Yeah.

[01:33:46] Yeah.

[01:33:46] She does,

[01:33:47] but she doesn't,

[01:33:48] but she tried to,

[01:33:49] well,

[01:33:50] she did kill vision.

[01:33:52] And yeah,

[01:33:54] which she did,

[01:33:56] which spawned a whole bunch of shit later on.

[01:34:01] Yeah.

[01:34:04] But infinity war though,

[01:34:05] like the entire buildup to infinity war,

[01:34:09] and then just like the fucking snap at the end.

[01:34:12] I always remember the,

[01:34:13] uh,

[01:34:15] when,

[01:34:15] uh,

[01:34:15] they,

[01:34:15] they think they've won and he's like,

[01:34:17] you should have aimed for the head.

[01:34:19] Hmm.

[01:34:20] Snap.

[01:34:20] Which I mean,

[01:34:21] duh,

[01:34:23] always aim for the head.

[01:34:24] And what are you doing?

[01:34:25] Um,

[01:34:27] I love how end game starts to,

[01:34:30] where they just track down Thanos and he's like half dead already.

[01:34:33] And they kill him at the very beginning of the movie.

[01:34:34] And when I saw that,

[01:34:35] I was like,

[01:34:36] what the fuck?

[01:34:36] Like I was not expecting that at all.

[01:34:38] Well,

[01:34:39] the,

[01:34:39] the opening stinger for,

[01:34:42] end game is brutal.

[01:34:43] Cause it's literally,

[01:34:44] it's,

[01:34:44] it's,

[01:34:45] um,

[01:34:46] Hawkeye chilling with his family.

[01:34:48] And then he turns his back for one second and they're all gone.

[01:34:50] Hmm.

[01:34:51] It's like,

[01:34:52] yeah,

[01:34:52] it's like,

[01:34:53] Oh yeah,

[01:34:53] this is where we're starting.

[01:34:54] Great.

[01:34:55] Yeah.

[01:34:56] No kidding.

[01:34:57] But then of course,

[01:34:58] like the hero of that movie is the rat in the van,

[01:35:03] the rat in the thing,

[01:35:05] the one that lets Paul Rudd out.

[01:35:07] Oh,

[01:35:08] right.

[01:35:08] Yeah.

[01:35:09] That is the hero.

[01:35:10] That is the true hero of that movie.

[01:35:12] Cause nothing would have happened otherwise.

[01:35:15] Yeah.

[01:35:16] Although like with like some of the stuff that happens later on and like the

[01:35:19] later phases,

[01:35:20] it's almost like breaking every bat,

[01:35:22] kind of bringing everybody back,

[01:35:24] kind of fucked everything up.

[01:35:26] Like everyone had already kind of like adjusted and like the world was

[01:35:29] doing better.

[01:35:30] And then everybody came back and everything went back to chaos.

[01:35:32] Well,

[01:35:33] I mean,

[01:35:34] let's be real.

[01:35:34] When you think about it,

[01:35:36] Thanos wasn't exactly wrong.

[01:35:39] True.

[01:35:40] It was a,

[01:35:40] it was an extreme way of doing it,

[01:35:41] but it did kind of make sense.

[01:35:45] Yeah.

[01:35:47] It's true.

[01:35:47] It's better than his comic thing in the comics.

[01:35:50] He literally wanted to fuck death.

[01:35:52] That was his entire like thing.

[01:35:55] I thought that was Deadpool's thing.

[01:36:00] Deadpool.

[01:36:00] It's different with him.

[01:36:02] Him.

[01:36:02] It's a joke.

[01:36:03] Well,

[01:36:04] him.

[01:36:04] It's a joke.

[01:36:05] Like Thanos literally like,

[01:36:07] well,

[01:36:07] death is a character in comics in Marvel.

[01:36:10] And Thanos wanted,

[01:36:11] literally wanted to fuck her.

[01:36:12] Like that was his entire thing.

[01:36:15] Jesus.

[01:36:16] Comics are weird.

[01:36:18] Yeah.

[01:36:19] That's for sure.

[01:36:21] But yeah,

[01:36:21] the end game,

[01:36:22] uh,

[01:36:23] God,

[01:36:23] that opening is,

[01:36:25] is hard.

[01:36:26] Especially because like,

[01:36:28] when I love when Paul Rudd shows up to like,

[01:36:30] uh,

[01:36:31] the Avengers and he's like,

[01:36:32] Hey,

[01:36:32] I'm still alive.

[01:36:33] And they're like,

[01:36:34] Holy fuck.

[01:36:35] What do we do?

[01:36:36] Yeah.

[01:36:36] Right.

[01:36:37] Yeah.

[01:36:37] Like for him,

[01:36:38] it had only been like a day or something,

[01:36:40] even though it had been five years.

[01:36:43] Yeah.

[01:36:43] Cause he was in the,

[01:36:44] the,

[01:36:45] uh,

[01:36:46] quantum space or whatever.

[01:36:47] the mini world.

[01:36:48] Like imagine like,

[01:36:50] imagine being,

[01:36:52] uh,

[01:36:52] Ant-Man in that situation and you come out and your daughter's like grown.

[01:36:57] Yeah.

[01:36:57] Like a teenager.

[01:36:58] And you're just like,

[01:36:59] I must be kind of fucked.

[01:37:02] Well,

[01:37:02] that's one of the most heartbreaking scenes is when he's looking over the wall of all the people who disappeared and he doesn't find her name.

[01:37:10] And then he finds her and it's like,

[01:37:11] that's,

[01:37:12] it's a very sweet scene,

[01:37:13] but it's also like,

[01:37:13] damn,

[01:37:14] that's rough.

[01:37:15] Yeah.

[01:37:16] Yeah.

[01:37:17] I will say there's a lot of that,

[01:37:18] that kind of stuff that like really hits different being a parent.

[01:37:23] Yeah.

[01:37:24] Well,

[01:37:24] it's another thing too,

[01:37:25] is like,

[01:37:26] you get to like the scenes with,

[01:37:27] uh,

[01:37:28] Iron Man and he's just so done with everything.

[01:37:30] Like he doesn't want any part of it.

[01:37:32] Like,

[01:37:32] he's like,

[01:37:32] no,

[01:37:33] I'm happy now.

[01:37:34] I'm,

[01:37:34] I don't bother me.

[01:37:36] Yeah.

[01:37:37] Yeah.

[01:37:37] I,

[01:37:37] I,

[01:37:38] I don't blame him either.

[01:37:39] Like it makes total sense.

[01:37:42] It will honestly,

[01:37:43] that whole thing just makes what happens at the end of the film,

[01:37:45] even more tragic.

[01:37:47] Hmm.

[01:37:49] No kidding.

[01:37:50] What'd you think of banner Hulk like merged?

[01:37:54] Well,

[01:37:54] the smart Hulk.

[01:37:56] Yeah.

[01:37:57] That was a thing in the comics too,

[01:37:58] until he never really went crazy again.

[01:38:00] But,

[01:38:00] um,

[01:38:01] it was interesting.

[01:38:03] I mean,

[01:38:03] I thought it was kind of,

[01:38:04] I thought it was kind of cool,

[01:38:05] but it's like,

[01:38:07] you couldn't have done that sooner,

[01:38:09] dude.

[01:38:11] Um,

[01:38:12] well,

[01:38:12] they did it in the comics and it will,

[01:38:14] it wasn't particularly popular from what I remember.

[01:38:16] So that's why they reverted.

[01:38:17] Well,

[01:38:18] I meant in the MCU itself,

[01:38:19] like they do this whole thing,

[01:38:21] but I'm so afraid of the Hulk and this and that.

[01:38:22] And then like,

[01:38:23] he was the Hulk for like two years straight.

[01:38:26] And then,

[01:38:28] um,

[01:38:30] Thanos scared him away.

[01:38:32] Yeah.

[01:38:33] Well,

[01:38:33] maybe that was what caused it.

[01:38:34] Maybe it's because Thanos,

[01:38:35] well,

[01:38:36] he implies that they,

[01:38:37] his bitch.

[01:38:38] And then he implied that in the five years,

[01:38:40] they had time to work out their differences.

[01:38:45] I guess so.

[01:38:46] I mean,

[01:38:47] they had longer than that beforehand,

[01:38:49] but whatever.

[01:38:50] Well,

[01:38:51] things were happening then.

[01:38:52] Like not,

[01:38:52] not a whole lot was happening in that five year span.

[01:38:55] True.

[01:38:56] Yeah.

[01:38:57] It's funny how after the Thanos snap,

[01:38:59] like,

[01:38:59] you know,

[01:38:59] all the villainy just kind of stops.

[01:39:02] Well,

[01:39:03] half of them got wiped out.

[01:39:05] True.

[01:39:06] But I mean,

[01:39:07] I feel like still fair amount of them left.

[01:39:11] Yeah.

[01:39:12] I mean,

[01:39:12] I think that the whole implication was the world was just so fucking decimated

[01:39:16] that they had to kind of rebuild.

[01:39:18] So they didn't have time for that.

[01:39:20] Yeah,

[01:39:20] that's fair.

[01:39:22] I mean,

[01:39:22] that's still my favorite line is when Paul Rudd finally gets out and he's

[01:39:26] just like,

[01:39:26] what the hell happened here?

[01:39:28] Hmm.

[01:39:32] Yeah.

[01:39:32] Yeah.

[01:39:33] Well,

[01:39:33] that whole segment to,

[01:39:34] of trying to gather the infinity stones is pretty dark.

[01:39:39] Oh,

[01:39:40] from the different time periods.

[01:39:41] Yeah.

[01:39:42] Like,

[01:39:43] especially the scene with,

[01:39:44] um,

[01:39:46] black widow and a hot guy where she basically tricks him into letting her kill

[01:39:51] herself to get the,

[01:39:52] uh,

[01:39:52] the stone.

[01:39:54] Yeah.

[01:39:55] That was pretty dark.

[01:39:56] And then that like,

[01:39:57] that leads to more stuff later on.

[01:40:00] Yeah.

[01:40:01] Um,

[01:40:01] yeah.

[01:40:02] With the black widow movie.

[01:40:07] Um,

[01:40:11] but yeah,

[01:40:11] I mean,

[01:40:11] since,

[01:40:12] since you didn't really watch much after end game,

[01:40:16] I don't know.

[01:40:16] I mean,

[01:40:17] I guess we could talk a little bit about the Spider-Man movies.

[01:40:20] Well,

[01:40:21] yeah.

[01:40:21] I mean,

[01:40:21] I'd like to talk about,

[01:40:22] um,

[01:40:23] no way home just cause that,

[01:40:24] that movie is amazing.

[01:40:26] Hmm.

[01:40:27] I will say like briefly touch on far from home.

[01:40:30] I did really like,

[01:40:31] uh,

[01:40:32] that they,

[01:40:33] we finally got Mysterio and a Spider-Man movie.

[01:40:36] Yeah.

[01:40:36] And Jake Jelen all really fucking nailed that role.

[01:40:40] Yeah.

[01:40:40] I wasn't expecting like,

[01:40:42] I mean,

[01:40:42] I obviously like with the,

[01:40:44] the general,

[01:40:45] like,

[01:40:46] um,

[01:40:48] you know,

[01:40:48] like general knowledge about Spider-Man,

[01:40:49] Spider-Man villains and stuff like that.

[01:40:51] Like I knew Mysterio was supposed to be a villain.

[01:40:53] So when he shows up at like towards the beginning of the film and

[01:40:57] he's like being portrayed as a good guy,

[01:40:59] I was really interested and confused by that.

[01:41:02] And then like,

[01:41:03] he hands over like the,

[01:41:04] the like fancy,

[01:41:06] like tech glasses,

[01:41:08] whatever the smart glasses,

[01:41:09] whatever the fuck they were.

[01:41:10] And then all of a sudden he's like,

[01:41:12] ah,

[01:41:13] my master plan succeeded.

[01:41:15] I tricked this child into giving me his toys.

[01:41:20] Yeah.

[01:41:21] No,

[01:41:21] it was a good solid film.

[01:41:23] It's,

[01:41:23] it's weirdly forgettable though.

[01:41:25] I feel like,

[01:41:26] like,

[01:41:26] cause it's like in between the two,

[01:41:29] um,

[01:41:31] it's in between the two other Spider-Man films that are more

[01:41:34] recognizable.

[01:41:36] Hmm.

[01:41:37] It also kind of just had a weird spot in the,

[01:41:40] the,

[01:41:40] uh,

[01:41:41] the MCU in general.

[01:41:43] Yeah.

[01:41:44] Um,

[01:41:45] especially cause they just kind of shoehorned it at the end of

[01:41:47] phase three.

[01:41:48] Like you'd think end game would be the last movie,

[01:41:50] but it wasn't far from home was.

[01:41:52] Yeah.

[01:41:53] And then no way home was pretty soon after that.

[01:41:55] So there wasn't even a huge gap between the two.

[01:41:59] Um,

[01:42:01] yeah,

[01:42:01] it was about the midway point between the,

[01:42:03] in phase four.

[01:42:05] Although,

[01:42:07] like I said,

[01:42:08] this list doesn't include the series.

[01:42:09] So if you include the series,

[01:42:10] it was actually pretty deep in,

[01:42:12] um,

[01:42:13] true,

[01:42:15] but I will say though,

[01:42:18] like,

[01:42:19] Oh God,

[01:42:21] I forgot what I was gonna say.

[01:42:22] I was gonna say,

[01:42:23] like,

[01:42:23] I really liked the way that,

[01:42:24] uh,

[01:42:24] no way home handled it with,

[01:42:26] um,

[01:42:27] having Dr.

[01:42:28] Strange is like the main focal point of that.

[01:42:30] He kind of causes the,

[01:42:32] the dimension fuckery that,

[01:42:34] um,

[01:42:35] leads to all the different worlds kind of combining.

[01:42:39] Hmm.

[01:42:40] I love how it's just like,

[01:42:42] Oh yeah,

[01:42:42] I got a spell for that.

[01:42:43] Don't worry about it.

[01:42:43] And he just keeps adding more factors into it.

[01:42:46] He's like,

[01:42:46] you're making this worse,

[01:42:47] bro.

[01:42:47] You're making it much more possible for this to fuck up.

[01:42:50] Keep it simple,

[01:42:51] man.

[01:42:51] Keep it simple.

[01:42:53] which he fails to do multiple times,

[01:42:56] which is hilarious.

[01:42:58] Yeah.

[01:42:59] Um,

[01:43:02] but yeah,

[01:43:02] I don't know.

[01:43:02] It's just bringing back the old Spider-Man was,

[01:43:06] was just such a smart,

[01:43:07] and not even just that bringing back all the old villains,

[01:43:09] the villain.

[01:43:10] That was such,

[01:43:12] such a amazingly well,

[01:43:14] well done idea.

[01:43:17] So when I'm thinking about it,

[01:43:19] especially with the foe,

[01:43:20] well,

[01:43:21] the foe was great just because of the whole fact that he actually got to a,

[01:43:25] not have a costume.

[01:43:26] That was stupid.

[01:43:28] Cause I love that first Spider-Man movie,

[01:43:29] but God damn that green goblins are just dumb on so many levels.

[01:43:34] Yeah.

[01:43:35] But I don't know.

[01:43:35] It's just,

[01:43:36] it's just so embedded in my memory,

[01:43:39] like my childhood.

[01:43:40] Like I,

[01:43:41] I'm kind of okay with it.

[01:43:42] I just,

[01:43:43] I hear that God damn voice.

[01:43:45] And all I see is that freaking plastic dollar store mask.

[01:43:49] And I'm always like,

[01:43:50] this is dumb,

[01:43:51] but I kind of love it.

[01:43:53] Yeah.

[01:43:54] To me,

[01:43:54] the real star of this movie though,

[01:43:56] was Alfred,

[01:43:56] uh,

[01:43:57] millennia.

[01:43:59] Doc Ock.

[01:44:00] Yeah.

[01:44:01] Like the digital de,

[01:44:03] de aging that they did on him was like,

[01:44:06] it amazes me that how that technology works sometimes,

[01:44:09] but like he stole the show.

[01:44:12] Cause he was Spider-Man too.

[01:44:13] I still think is one of the best superhero films ever made.

[01:44:16] And the fact that he got a redemption arc in this one was just fucking

[01:44:19] great.

[01:44:20] The fact that like all of them kind of got redemption arc.

[01:44:23] I mean,

[01:44:24] I mean,

[01:44:24] let's be honest.

[01:44:25] Like the,

[01:44:25] it was really,

[01:44:26] it was the,

[01:44:27] the Tobey Maguire,

[01:44:28] Spider-Man villains that like stole the show in that movie.

[01:44:31] I'm so bummed that they didn't get because of,

[01:44:34] cause that film was the middle of COVID.

[01:44:36] Um,

[01:44:37] they weren't able to get most of,

[01:44:39] um,

[01:44:39] the major,

[01:44:40] um,

[01:44:41] actors in,

[01:44:42] but we did get,

[01:44:43] um,

[01:44:45] at least the voice of a Thomas Hayden church back as Sandman,

[01:44:48] which was really cool.

[01:44:50] Hmm.

[01:44:51] Um,

[01:44:52] and I like how they,

[01:44:53] they kept the whole thing where he was technically not a villain at the

[01:44:56] end of three.

[01:44:57] Yeah,

[01:44:58] I was,

[01:44:59] I'm not going to lie.

[01:45:00] I was a little bit disappointed that we didn't get Topher Grace back as

[01:45:03] Eddie Brock,

[01:45:03] but yeah,

[01:45:05] I knew that wasn't going to happen though.

[01:45:07] Yeah.

[01:45:07] Well,

[01:45:08] especially with Tom Hardy being the venom at the time,

[01:45:11] like,

[01:45:13] um,

[01:45:14] I will say though,

[01:45:16] like I,

[01:45:16] I liked how they actually fixed a lot of issues too,

[01:45:19] with likes a lot of the,

[01:45:20] cause the Garfield films tend to have a lot of detractors.

[01:45:23] Um,

[01:45:24] I like what they did with electro.

[01:45:25] I think they fixed him up a lot too.

[01:45:29] Um,

[01:45:30] I will say though,

[01:45:31] my,

[01:45:31] one of my favorite parts of this movie is like the scenes where like,

[01:45:35] they're looking for Spider-Man and they see him in the distance.

[01:45:38] Like,

[01:45:38] come here,

[01:45:38] come here.

[01:45:39] And it runs up and it's like,

[01:45:39] that's not Tom Holland.

[01:45:41] Yep.

[01:45:42] And it takes,

[01:45:43] takes the mask off.

[01:45:44] And it was Andrew Garfield.

[01:45:45] I was like,

[01:45:46] I was like,

[01:45:46] okay,

[01:45:46] that's cool.

[01:45:48] Yeah.

[01:45:48] And I thought,

[01:45:48] I thought Andrew Garfield really kind of came into his own in this film.

[01:45:52] Like,

[01:45:52] cause he was always a good Spider-Man,

[01:45:53] but I always thought his Peter was kind of awkward.

[01:45:55] He,

[01:45:56] um,

[01:45:56] I thought he really kind of figured it out in this movie.

[01:45:59] Yeah,

[01:46:00] for sure.

[01:46:01] And then when they find Tobey Maguire,

[01:46:03] like when Tobey Maguire shows up,

[01:46:04] that was so much nostalgia hit right there.

[01:46:06] Cause like for our generation in particular,

[01:46:09] like those movies were like the Spider-Man movies for the longest time.

[01:46:13] Oh,

[01:46:13] for sure.

[01:46:15] Hey,

[01:46:15] I will say it was like a little bit jarring how like aged both of them looked in this movie.

[01:46:22] Yeah.

[01:46:22] No,

[01:46:23] well,

[01:46:23] it was some,

[01:46:24] I actually kind of liked that.

[01:46:25] They implied that they were older,

[01:46:26] like older characters.

[01:46:27] Cause like he has the,

[01:46:29] uh,

[01:46:30] Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man.

[01:46:31] He has the line where they like,

[01:46:33] he implies that things are going well with his MJ back at,

[01:46:36] um,

[01:46:36] in his universe.

[01:46:38] Mm-hmm.

[01:46:39] So it implies that they fixed everything up after the end of Spider-Man three.

[01:46:43] Cause it was kind of ambiguous.

[01:46:45] And then,

[01:46:46] um,

[01:46:48] you know,

[01:46:48] Andrew Garfield that had to go on his whole,

[01:46:50] like heartbreaking,

[01:46:51] like I wasn't able to save my MJ and stuff.

[01:46:54] Gwen Stacy,

[01:46:55] but you know,

[01:46:56] whatever.

[01:46:56] Yeah.

[01:46:57] Oh yeah.

[01:46:58] Cause they didn't,

[01:46:58] they just didn't acknowledge,

[01:46:59] they just didn't acknowledge that.

[01:47:01] Like,

[01:47:01] oh yeah.

[01:47:01] Like my MJ wasn't actually an MJ.

[01:47:03] It was Gwen Stacy,

[01:47:04] but yeah.

[01:47:07] Um,

[01:47:07] yeah.

[01:47:08] I like,

[01:47:08] also I love the scene where they're talking about like the web cartridges and the Tobey Maguire

[01:47:11] Spider-Man's like web cartridges.

[01:47:12] What are those?

[01:47:13] He's like,

[01:47:14] what yours aren't natural?

[01:47:15] Like mine are.

[01:47:16] Mm-hmm.

[01:47:18] Cause that's like,

[01:47:18] no,

[01:47:18] I was like mental block at one time.

[01:47:21] Yeah.

[01:47:22] Cause I was,

[01:47:22] remember that was like the weirdest part about the,

[01:47:24] the Rammy films was that he like just had the fucking spiders.

[01:47:27] Shit in him.

[01:47:28] Hmm.

[01:47:30] They actually,

[01:47:31] like really confused me when I was a kid because like I had,

[01:47:35] I'm pretty sure I had seen like,

[01:47:37] you know,

[01:47:38] probably a little bit of the cartoon when I was a kid,

[01:47:39] but like,

[01:47:40] like most of my,

[01:47:42] like,

[01:47:43] uh,

[01:47:44] at least for a while,

[01:47:45] like the first Spider-Man movie was the thing that was like,

[01:47:47] Oh look,

[01:47:48] Spider-Man.

[01:47:49] So like when I started getting into like watching the cartoon and like the couple of comics

[01:47:53] that I read,

[01:47:54] I was like,

[01:47:54] cartridges.

[01:47:55] The fuck?

[01:47:56] Like,

[01:47:56] this is stupid.

[01:47:58] They actually,

[01:47:59] in one of the arcs right around the time of those movies,

[01:48:02] they actually re,

[01:48:03] it was this really bizarre,

[01:48:05] like arc where he like evolved in like the spider thing.

[01:48:08] And he actually got actual natural shooters at one point.

[01:48:13] They wreck,

[01:48:14] they retconned it really quick.

[01:48:15] It was all retconned with that.

[01:48:16] One more day.

[01:48:17] That was one of the good things.

[01:48:19] One more day got rid of like everything else.

[01:48:23] Not so much,

[01:48:23] but,

[01:48:24] um,

[01:48:25] yeah,

[01:48:25] that was a thing in the comics as well for a while.

[01:48:28] It's just funny.

[01:48:30] I did like the kind of like,

[01:48:32] um,

[01:48:33] a mentor might be a too strong word,

[01:48:35] but like,

[01:48:36] kind of like the big brother aspect of like the oldest Spider-Man with Tom Holland,

[01:48:39] Tom Holland.

[01:48:41] Yeah.

[01:48:42] Um,

[01:48:43] because like,

[01:48:43] you know,

[01:48:43] they're,

[01:48:44] they were both like,

[01:48:44] as we said,

[01:48:45] like they were both older.

[01:48:46] So they'd both been around the block.

[01:48:47] They'd both been through a bunch of shit.

[01:48:49] Lots of,

[01:48:50] you know,

[01:48:51] heartbreak and,

[01:48:52] and,

[01:48:52] and whatnot.

[01:48:53] So.

[01:48:54] And emo phase.

[01:48:55] Yeah.

[01:48:56] Yeah.

[01:48:57] But.