Geek Addicts - Episode 51: Discussing The Third And Fouth Dragon Ball Films!

[00:00:05] The following is a GNC Podcast Production, Pop Culture Podcast.

[00:00:41] Hello and welcome to Geek Addicts, the pop culture podcast where we talk about multiple versions of the exact same story.

[00:00:49] My name is Matt, with me, Bill Beiber. How's it going, Bill?

[00:00:54] Oh, it's going. I just recorded another podcast right before this one, so my voice has already successfully worn in and I am tired because it's a Friday.

[00:01:07] I wasn't expecting to do the opening this time, so I didn't have time to think of something funny for you.

[00:01:13] It's all good. Alex spent the last episode I recorded telling me that I'm turning 30 soon and I'm going to be old and I just responded by saying I'm already old.

[00:01:24] I fell asleep on the couch an hour before recording. That's because that's what people do now.

[00:01:29] What's she trying to say? You throwing shots, Alex?

[00:01:33] Alex?

[00:01:34] No, I just think Alex is just being Alex.

[00:01:39] Yeah, I've been 30 for what? How many? Three months now? Something like that?

[00:01:46] I felt 30 for like the past five years though.

[00:01:49] Yeah, that's going to be the entire GNC team is going to be like 30 except for Alex producing his Thrak turned 30 a while back.

[00:01:57] Well, Alex is only a year younger than you, right?

[00:02:00] Yeah, she's she'll be 29 pretty soon.

[00:02:05] Oh, she's not 29 yet. Wow.

[00:02:07] Yeah.

[00:02:08] Yeah. Well, technically, she's a leap year baby, so she could technically say she's like seven or something like that.

[00:02:13] Oh, wait. I forgot you told me that. Yeah.

[00:02:16] That's weird.

[00:02:17] No, it'd actually be younger than that, wouldn't it?

[00:02:21] Maybe four years, 30? She'd be like five.

[00:02:24] I think she's like six or something. It's been a while since I did the math, but yeah, she can she can joke. She can joke around with that every whenever she wants.

[00:02:34] So that explains the chaos.

[00:02:38] No, that's just her being herself.

[00:02:42] Fair enough.

[00:02:44] So how's your week been, Bill? How you doing on your your anime catch ups?

[00:02:49] This wasn't the best week. I only finished one show.

[00:02:54] It's this week. I Monday. I was kind of a wreck. I had a lot of stuff going on Tuesday.

[00:03:00] We did 3DO Wednesday.

[00:03:03] I had a weird kind of just day where I just didn't feel like something.

[00:03:06] You know how you occasionally I'll just have a day where like you just don't feel like anime.

[00:03:09] Yeah, for sure.

[00:03:11] That was Wednesday. I just wasn't in the mood.

[00:03:13] And then I finished the show I had been watching yesterday.

[00:03:19] And I'll probably watch a few more episodes tonight because I think another slime episode comes out tonight.

[00:03:27] I'm debating what to watch next because I just finished my most recent show.

[00:03:32] I'm not really saying what it is because it may or may not be part of the next anime swap coming up.

[00:03:39] Oh, is the one you mentioned earlier today?

[00:03:41] Yeah, I mentioned in the discords.

[00:03:44] You can find if you you really want to figure out you can do some investigating.

[00:03:47] The best way to find out what we're watching is to go into the anime gift space on the GNC studio and just look in.

[00:03:54] Look in the anime gift space and just see the gifts.

[00:03:57] Usually what we're posting is what we're watching at the time.

[00:04:00] Yeah, that's fair.

[00:04:01] Sometimes.

[00:04:02] Although if that was an anime swap, whose pick would it be?

[00:04:05] Because hasn't Alex been into that too?

[00:04:08] So that is Alex's pick.

[00:04:09] My pick is still a mystery right now.

[00:04:11] Well, I know what it is.

[00:04:12] Alex knows what it is, but I haven't.

[00:04:14] I posted a gif of it so you can try to guess what it is through the most recent gifs I've posted if anyone really wants to figure it out.

[00:04:22] Although I'm not 100% sure when this episode is going to be coming out.

[00:04:24] It might even be a month from now.

[00:04:25] So for all we know, that episode might already be out or at least in the bag.

[00:04:29] Who knows?

[00:04:29] It might.

[00:04:30] It depends on how long it takes Alex to watch the show I requested.

[00:04:33] So fair because this is the rare time where I'm actually ahead of the game.

[00:04:37] So, so I finally finished my my one piece catch up.

[00:04:46] I am.

[00:04:47] I finished Wano and I won't be touching one piece again until egghead is completely dubbed.

[00:04:53] So and that that are just finished in the manga.

[00:04:55] So it's going to be a bit.

[00:04:58] So yeah, that's that's finally finally under my belt.

[00:05:03] And I also finished rewatching darker than black.

[00:05:07] I forgot how fucking amazing that show is.

[00:05:09] It's I don't know.

[00:05:10] It just has like a vibe to it.

[00:05:12] Like kind of like how would be Bob.

[00:05:13] It's a different kind of setting.

[00:05:15] But it kind of has a similar vibe to be Bob where like it's isolated stories, but then there is like an overarching story happening in the background that comes comes to fruition at the end.

[00:05:26] Like it's just a fun show.

[00:05:29] So nice.

[00:05:31] I saw the first one.

[00:05:34] I saw the first episode of the next season of the Veroni Grench and remake came out.

[00:05:40] I don't think the dubs are yet, but the first episode aired.

[00:05:42] Right.

[00:05:43] I was going to bring that up.

[00:05:44] Yeah, I just found that out.

[00:05:45] I think today actually that the first one came out yesterday in Japan, I think, which is pretty exciting.

[00:05:53] I didn't know it was that close.

[00:05:54] So that's pretty exciting.

[00:05:55] Well, I saw a thing going around.

[00:05:57] I guess the author of the manga is going through health issues right now.

[00:06:03] So I guess all the stuff he was writing is on indefinite hold.

[00:06:08] And it's one of those cases where it's like, I don't really feel bad, but it kind of sucks, I guess, for fans.

[00:06:15] Yeah.

[00:06:16] Well, I mean, maybe Japanese fans.

[00:06:18] It's not like we were going to get that anyway.

[00:06:20] Well, we were still getting the fan translations over here.

[00:06:24] That's true.

[00:06:25] That's true.

[00:06:26] It's funny, though, how many people were like, I just like the split between opinions on that was pretty interesting.

[00:06:32] I'm under the opinion where it's like, I think the guy's a piece of shit, but he wrote a really good story.

[00:06:39] So you have to kind of separate the art from the artist sometimes.

[00:06:44] But I'm also not going to I'm not going to like wish the guy's dead.

[00:06:48] I mean, he could probably be in jail.

[00:06:51] But yeah, yeah, that's for sure.

[00:06:57] But I am excited for season two of the show because because the first season was very good.

[00:07:02] Actually, I just started the Kyoto arc in the in the manga because I've still been reading that.

[00:07:07] Hmm.

[00:07:08] Which is weird, weirdly apt timing on that with the show coming back.

[00:07:15] I just I just hope it does well because I really want the third arc properly adapted.

[00:07:22] Agreed.

[00:07:23] It'd be interesting, though, that if it only ends up being a three season show.

[00:07:29] I mean, ultimately, like that, I think if if they do 25 episode seasons for each one or 24, whatever it was, it would still end up being pretty close to the length of the original.

[00:07:41] It wouldn't be quite as much, but it'd be close.

[00:07:44] True.

[00:07:45] But I mean, to be fair, that last season is entirely pointless.

[00:07:50] Yeah.

[00:07:51] I also wonder, though, are they going to cover like, uh, custom trail again?

[00:07:57] I have to imagine because you can't really tell one story without the other.

[00:08:01] Yeah.

[00:08:02] I'm just curious because like I'd like to see a modern adaption of that, like in line with the current style.

[00:08:10] But at the same time, the original Trusted Betrayal OVAs were just so fucking good.

[00:08:15] Like they were great, despite the like weird, like real life scenes that were kind of spliced in.

[00:08:21] But it's still I don't know, like the original OVAs are beautiful.

[00:08:25] They were, but they definitely feel so weird next to the anime.

[00:08:31] Yeah, for sure.

[00:08:32] From back then.

[00:08:32] It's such a different style.

[00:08:34] I just like to see like a fully consistent, like beginning to end kind of series.

[00:08:39] Yeah, for sure.

[00:08:41] Um, what was I going to say?

[00:08:44] Oh, uh, I saw that Dragon Ball Dima is apparently going to be on Netflix, which I could be mistaken on this, but this might be the first time anything Dragon Ball has been on Netflix in the States.

[00:08:57] Maybe I think evolution might have been on there briefly at one point.

[00:09:03] That doesn't count.

[00:09:07] I mean, it happened.

[00:09:11] Yeah, totally behind it at one point.

[00:09:15] He was just being polite.

[00:09:19] Until the grace period went by, then he was honest.

[00:09:23] I mean, hey, we got Battle of Gods out of it.

[00:09:26] So yeah, well, that's that's why I give it a pass for the most part.

[00:09:31] The hair gel gag was funny.

[00:09:33] Yeah, that's true.

[00:09:35] That was a bad meme.

[00:09:35] And the one head sliding meme like that.

[00:09:40] Every now and then that pops up, but it's just so fucking funny to me.

[00:09:43] We'll cover that movie one day.

[00:09:46] Not now because that moves a lot.

[00:09:48] But, um, yeah.

[00:09:52] So I did start another show this week, actually today.

[00:09:56] Yeah.

[00:09:57] I started that vending machine show.

[00:10:00] Oh, OK.

[00:10:02] And I gotta say.

[00:10:04] Slade did not oversell it.

[00:10:06] Yeah, so Alex was saying that, too.

[00:10:08] Like, it's it's not like the like fine art by any means, but it's a surprisingly decent.

[00:10:13] It's incredibly entertaining.

[00:10:15] And it's only a 12 or so I I definitely recommend.

[00:10:22] Like that for at some point in the next couple months for you, because it's very good.

[00:10:28] It's very good.

[00:10:29] Yeah, when I'm in the mood for an isekai, maybe it's very silly.

[00:10:33] Well, because it knows it's dumb.

[00:10:35] I think that's kind of like one of the reasons why it actually was entertaining, because the ones that the isekais I can't stand to the ones that take themselves too seriously.

[00:10:44] That's fair.

[00:10:46] Like, I love the ones where they're just stupid.

[00:10:49] Yeah, well, there's literally like I won't go into Chippo Chippo's a part where like the vending machine because the vending machine guy, he can't communicate except for like the preset.

[00:11:01] Like, like little preset like messages like, oh, insert coin into the slot or thank you for sure.

[00:11:08] Thank you for buying.

[00:11:09] Please come again.

[00:11:09] Like that's pretty much all he can say.

[00:11:11] So he kind of like arranges it.

[00:11:13] So certain things are yes and certain things are no and stuff like that.

[00:11:18] So like at one point, like the guy some guy comes up to him and is like, hey, like, you know, because he's like kind of like a leader figure in the town that they're living in.

[00:11:27] And he's like, hey, we're having this thing.

[00:11:29] There's issue right now where we're getting a bunch of new people into the town and we're having some issues with disease, like disease spreading and stuff like that.

[00:11:36] We didn't know if you'd have anything that could help with that or whatever.

[00:11:38] And he fucking ejects starts ejecting condoms.

[00:11:43] And they're like, what is because it's like a fantasy world that they're in.

[00:11:46] They're like, what is this weird substance?

[00:11:51] It's just fucking goofy as shit.

[00:11:53] See, I'll probably watch that after I watched Slime's finish just because I can only do one isekai at a time.

[00:11:59] But that's fair.

[00:12:00] That's fair.

[00:12:01] It definitely has like a similar like a similar humor to it.

[00:12:07] It just definitely leans more into the goofiness like slime has serious moments.

[00:12:11] The best isekais are the ones that know you guys are dumb.

[00:12:14] Like to me, I still think like peak peak isekai to me is like Kono Soba or like that time I got reincarnated as a slime where they're they're fully aware isekais are stupid and they just kind of run with that.

[00:12:26] Like the ones that take it too serious like one for me that fell off super hard was like rising of the shield hero where like the first season is great.

[00:12:34] And it just takes a dump in quality after that.

[00:12:38] Like season two was a mess.

[00:12:39] And then I just couldn't care by season three.

[00:12:42] That's fair.

[00:12:44] Yeah, I was considering checking that one out.

[00:12:46] But I don't know if you if you consider it a one season show season one is great.

[00:12:52] That's that's kind of like how darker than black is first season is fantastic.

[00:12:57] Second season.

[00:12:58] Well, let's be fair.

[00:12:59] Like I would like to give it another another watch is a complete huge like tone shift like it could be a completely different series.

[00:13:06] Like the way that everything shifts in that story.

[00:13:12] But I would like to give it another shot just for posterity sake, you know, to be fair, because my my tastes in anime and stuff has changed over the years and whatnot.

[00:13:22] So, I mean, I might like it more than I used to, but I know I'm not going to like it more than season one because season one's just great on its own.

[00:13:30] And it probably should have just been the one season.

[00:13:32] But whatever.

[00:13:33] Yeah, it's funny how tastes change like that, because I mean, back of it, I watch mostly like rom coms and fucking romance animes these days, just because that's how tastes are these so weirdly.

[00:13:45] Well, you know, you get to a certain age where you kind of just want to watch something casual.

[00:13:48] You don't want to get involved in like, oh, like battles to end the world and blood and gore and craziness.

[00:13:56] I mean, I like that stuff here and there.

[00:13:57] But like, you know, there's only so much I can do it once.

[00:14:02] Yeah, I mean, it's just one of those things.

[00:14:05] It's like sometimes you just get tired of buff men beating each other up after a while.

[00:14:10] True.

[00:14:11] This is true.

[00:14:13] Oh, yeah.

[00:14:15] Yeah, I got to I got to work through a few more.

[00:14:19] It's funny.

[00:14:19] I'm on a break from manga right now just because of like trying to catch up on the anime stuff.

[00:14:23] But I do want to start reading again because there's a bunch of series.

[00:14:27] I've been reading pretty consistently.

[00:14:29] Definitely.

[00:14:29] It's been kind of mostly just been shifting between the three series, the Kenshin slump and and berserk.

[00:14:38] With the exception of like, you know, my my weekly shows like one piece spy family or toe.

[00:14:47] Well, I mean, they're not all weekly, but you know what I mean?

[00:14:49] Like ongoing series that I'm caught up on.

[00:14:52] Yeah.

[00:14:55] Yeah, it's see, I just have a hard time multitasking on stuff like I usually get sucked into one hobby at a time.

[00:15:01] So like when I'm in anime mode, I'm in anime mode.

[00:15:03] I'm reading mode.

[00:15:04] I'm in reading mode.

[00:15:06] I just see somebody beat my record or my game clock for fastest completion time.

[00:15:13] Yeah.

[00:15:14] Yeah.

[00:15:15] We got it on like three days.

[00:15:17] I announced it on the first by the third.

[00:15:20] It was done.

[00:15:21] Tony coming in from the top rope.

[00:15:24] Yeah.

[00:15:24] Yeah.

[00:15:25] For real.

[00:15:26] Oh, speaking of anime discussions, though, we also recently released our second collaboration

[00:15:34] over on Superpod Network for favorite anime arcs.

[00:15:37] Yes.

[00:15:38] Yes, we did.

[00:15:39] I love how you guys you Aaron and Moe like did like all like serious like like animes.

[00:15:47] I did Kaguya.

[00:15:48] So fair enough.

[00:15:51] I mean, try gun.

[00:15:54] I mean, I know like the one that that he mentioned specifically in that one was like the end, which is the other more serious parts.

[00:16:00] But try gun as a whole is a very light show for the most part.

[00:16:04] Like it has a serious moments, but you know, it it keeps itself.

[00:16:09] You know.

[00:16:11] Easy going for the most part.

[00:16:13] Yeah.

[00:16:14] I just I like the thumb, the the banner he made for that one, because it's all like typical shounens.

[00:16:19] And then it's just like Kaguya.

[00:16:21] Just such a different.

[00:16:23] I mean, technically, Kaguya is a shounen.

[00:16:26] So that is true.

[00:16:29] It is true.

[00:16:31] So, you know, I know we're going to do more of those.

[00:16:34] And I'm like really questioning, like what?

[00:16:38] Yeah, because I have to do next.

[00:16:40] I'm not sure either, because like we already talked about earlier, but any is just like not really a arc based show.

[00:16:47] So like, I don't think I could really cover an arc from any.

[00:16:49] Yeah, shit.

[00:16:51] I mean, there's definitely a couple of things you could do with that.

[00:16:54] True.

[00:16:55] Like I could do it.

[00:16:57] You could do like Band of Seven or even just the final act on its own or true.

[00:17:02] Or like the filler school festival arc.

[00:17:05] That's always a fun one.

[00:17:07] Yeah, that's true.

[00:17:09] And we don't have to just take to like best anime arcs either.

[00:17:12] Like we could talk to Aaron about like switching it up and do like worst anime arcs or or or anime filler arcs or something like that, even though the first one I did wasn't actually both of the first ones we did were filler arcs.

[00:17:25] Yeah, we both covered filler arcs that were good.

[00:17:28] But the arts of Dragon Ball.

[00:17:30] We can talk.

[00:17:30] We can talk.

[00:17:31] I'm sure we'll have more ideas for that because I want to make do more of those in the future.

[00:17:36] Yeah, it was pretty fun.

[00:17:36] I enjoy them.

[00:17:39] Yeah.

[00:17:39] Other than that, though, not a ton's going on.

[00:17:42] I'm just trying to get through it.

[00:17:46] Yep.

[00:17:47] But I mean, I finished two shows this week and got most of the way through the third.

[00:17:51] So I'm getting there.

[00:17:52] Getting there.

[00:17:53] Nice.

[00:17:53] I gotta get back on a few more probably this weekend next week.

[00:17:59] Because I got to pump that list up because I don't want to.

[00:18:03] I don't want to be embarrassed by Alex and Slade again.

[00:18:06] Hmm.

[00:18:07] Oh, and I did start watching a little bit more of Bleach as well.

[00:18:10] I at least want to want to.

[00:18:11] I at least want to finish the arc that I started before I put it down again.

[00:18:16] But I do want to go through the rest of that at some point.

[00:18:20] Probably not this year.

[00:18:22] I still got to jump back in and finish Barato at some point.

[00:18:26] It's like one of those things where it's like I see it there and I'm just like, I know, I'll get to it eventually.

[00:18:32] Have you gotten to the stuff where Kawaki shows up yet?

[00:18:35] I know.

[00:18:35] I feel like I asked you this.

[00:18:37] Because once he shows up, I feel like things will pick up for you a bit based on what I read in the manga.

[00:18:41] The last arc I watched was the one where they're in like the prison.

[00:18:47] Yeah, see, I don't.

[00:18:49] I don't know.

[00:18:50] Yeah.

[00:18:51] It wasn't bad, but it just was long.

[00:18:55] It was right after the time travel arc.

[00:18:57] If it didn't happen in the manga that I have no clue.

[00:19:00] Yeah.

[00:19:01] Most of the show probably.

[00:19:02] I mean, honestly, I know you're committed to finishing it because you just have that kind of like completist mentality.

[00:19:10] But honestly, you'd be better off just reading the manga.

[00:19:13] I have all the box sets, so I have to sit through it at some point.

[00:19:18] True.

[00:19:21] Oh, but speaking of things that are to slog, depending on who you ask, Dragon Ball movies.

[00:19:29] Indeed.

[00:19:30] Indeed.

[00:19:30] The last two of the OG movies.

[00:19:32] Yes.

[00:19:34] So in the previous episode, we had covered my phone is on me.

[00:19:42] We had covered first of the blood rubies and sleeping princess and devil's castle.

[00:19:50] Two very mediocre movies.

[00:19:52] Yeah, I remember thinking the blood rubies was okay.

[00:19:55] And then I thought sleeping princess and devil's castle was pretty lame.

[00:20:02] Mostly because it just kind of redoes the kid, the Krillin arc, but somehow worse.

[00:20:07] I mean, it had some of its entertaining moments, but it just it just didn't have that Dragon Ball aesthetic to it.

[00:20:14] Yeah, it was very.

[00:20:17] Meh, in a lot of ways.

[00:20:18] A lot of lumpy demons.

[00:20:20] We're all very lumpy.

[00:20:21] Yeah.

[00:20:23] Yeah.

[00:20:23] Um, so going on now to the movies for this next arc, we have.

[00:20:29] Dragon Ball mystical adventures, the first one.

[00:20:32] Mm hmm.

[00:20:33] Um, this this is actually the only one of the OG Dragon Ball movies that I watched in my childhood.

[00:20:39] And even that's a stretch saying childhood because I didn't actually watch it until I was like maybe 13 or 14.

[00:20:47] Yeah, this one was interesting to me because like.

[00:20:51] It was just kind of.

[00:20:55] There she could say.

[00:20:57] Yeah, well, it was it's weird because the first two movies like the first movie covered like it was like an alternate telling of the first arc, which is you know what, like 13 episodes 14 episodes.

[00:21:06] And then the second one was like a weird retelling of basically like four or five episodes.

[00:21:14] Yeah, that little like meeting Krillin and like the little training arc there.

[00:21:18] But this one is is like a retelling of like 70 episodes after that.

[00:21:24] Like it kind of just like mashes all that together in like a weird way.

[00:21:29] They also include like.

[00:21:31] A rally because for some reason.

[00:21:35] Well, I mean.

[00:21:38] I can kind of see why.

[00:21:40] Because especially at this point, because by this point in time, you know, Dr. Slump had been over for a bit like both the manga and the anime and it was still huge in Japan.

[00:21:51] True.

[00:21:52] And when these movies were coming out, they these weren't like feature films that were in theaters.

[00:21:57] They were shown at film festivals, usually in like groups of like three or four.

[00:22:02] They have like one from each different show that they were trying to showcase.

[00:22:06] They would kind of be ways of trying to get newbies into these different series.

[00:22:11] Yeah.

[00:22:11] So having having a rally in there was probably just a way of trying to draw in some Dr. Slump fans.

[00:22:18] True.

[00:22:18] True.

[00:22:19] So it's interesting because like I was I was looking at the the voice actors for this movie.

[00:22:24] This movie was Goku's voice was a weird one of the.

[00:22:32] So it's the same actress who played him in.

[00:22:36] Sleeping Princess and Devil's Castle.

[00:22:37] I'm going to probably butcher this.

[00:22:41] Siley.

[00:22:42] Del Del Good.

[00:22:44] Dillo is her name.

[00:22:47] Apparently.

[00:22:48] Hmm.

[00:22:50] She had only voiced Goku in.

[00:22:53] This movie and the previous one, which leads me to believe these were recorded.

[00:22:59] At some point.

[00:23:01] Before the series, like they had funny had actually dubbed OG Dragon Ball.

[00:23:09] Yeah, I if I remember correctly, I want to say that.

[00:23:12] Yeah, that's about right.

[00:23:13] Like they had started doing Z and that's why all the other characters the same, but they hadn't done OG yet.

[00:23:19] Yeah, because we had mentioned previously that Blood Rubies was actually dubbed like way later, like after it came out.

[00:23:28] That's why they had Colleen Flickenbeard do Goku at the time.

[00:23:32] And it uses most of the modern actors.

[00:23:36] So that's my guess is the these were recorded together before they had actually dubbed OG.

[00:23:45] Because like the right rest of the cast is like Chris Sabat is Yamcha Tiffany Vollmer Bulma.

[00:23:52] Hmm.

[00:23:53] Mike McFarlane's Master Roshi.

[00:23:56] Yeah.

[00:23:58] Wait, does Roshi appear in this?

[00:24:00] Yeah.

[00:24:02] Does he?

[00:24:03] Yeah, because they were training with him at the beginning and then he right to the tournament.

[00:24:06] He's got such a minor role in this whole thing.

[00:24:11] Yeah, that's true.

[00:24:11] I mean, it's still a bigger role than it was in the last movie, but still.

[00:24:15] Yeah, like he's not even I'm looking at the kid, the main cast.

[00:24:17] He's like not even listed in the main cast.

[00:24:20] Hmm.

[00:24:21] That's kind of I find it.

[00:24:22] I find it interesting with the first three Dragon Ball films because they all kind of follow their own canon.

[00:24:27] Whereas like none of the Z films really except with the exception of maybe Broly.

[00:24:31] None of the Z films really do that where like each one of the Z films is kind of like its own isolated story.

[00:24:38] Yeah, exception of cooler and Broly.

[00:24:40] But with the OG Dragon Ball films, it's like like each film is continuing off where the last one left left off.

[00:24:48] Yeah, they're like in their own little bubble of like an alternate universe because this one is like essentially we had mentioned earlier.

[00:24:55] It basically covers Red Ribbon Army and the 22nd World Martial Arts Tournament like heavily abridged.

[00:25:03] Yeah, because it kind of like combines the first two tournaments because they it's set up where this is happening where the first tournament would have happened in the series.

[00:25:13] But Tien and Chiaotzu are there.

[00:25:17] But Chiaotzu isn't a fighter.

[00:25:19] He's actually an emperor.

[00:25:21] Hmm.

[00:25:23] Which I believe actually caused some confusion.

[00:25:27] Because if you think back to the old Z dub, after the Frieza arc, when they're wishing everybody back with the Namekian Dragon Balls, the narrator calls Chiaotzu the young emperor.

[00:25:39] And that caused a lot of confusion over the over the fans.

[00:25:44] Oh, OK, this is why I got confused.

[00:25:47] The list I'm reading doesn't list the characters by their official names like the English names are kind of moved in different places.

[00:25:55] They have Roshi listed as Kamei Senen.

[00:25:57] Oh, OK.

[00:25:59] So, yeah, that's why I didn't notice it at first.

[00:26:05] Fun, fun stuff.

[00:26:07] But this is definitely the most entertaining out of the original three.

[00:26:11] Yeah, this is the one that feels the most Dragon Ball does stuff because like blood rubies was met.

[00:26:18] And then sleeping dragon, I thought was boring as fuck.

[00:26:21] Yeah.

[00:26:23] Things moved very quickly in this movie for sure.

[00:26:26] They did.

[00:26:26] This one was over before I knew it, which I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not.

[00:26:30] To be perfectly honest.

[00:26:32] Yeah, honestly, I feel like this one could have used a little bit more time.

[00:26:35] Yeah, because it at least 15 minutes.

[00:26:38] Yeah, because it's only 46 minutes.

[00:26:40] It's pretty short.

[00:26:41] It's basically just two episodes of Dragon Ball.

[00:26:44] Yeah, which I mean, is pretty consistent with with Dragon Ball films at the time.

[00:26:49] True.

[00:26:52] The next one being an exception, because that one came out during GT run.

[00:26:56] Yes.

[00:26:56] Yeah.

[00:26:56] The following film is it's completely its own thing.

[00:27:00] Mm hmm.

[00:27:01] Mm hmm.

[00:27:02] But yeah, it was.

[00:27:05] Because I like the way this film starts where they got the theme song going, but we're getting

[00:27:10] like a little training montage with Goku and Krillin.

[00:27:13] Hmm.

[00:27:14] Instead of like the usual opening scene.

[00:27:17] I thought that was really well done.

[00:27:19] Did you notice the P-lock gang is in this, but their voices are completely wrong?

[00:27:25] I, I knew they were in it, but I didn't hear them speak.

[00:27:29] So I noticed it right away.

[00:27:31] Like, he lost his voice by Mike McFarland, which is completely like what?

[00:27:35] He's like, that's really weird because Chuck Huber is in this film.

[00:27:38] He plays a crane hermit.

[00:27:40] I forget who voiced Shu originally.

[00:27:44] Um, cause he sounded kind of.

[00:27:46] I can tell you.

[00:27:47] Apparently it's Brian Thomas in this and then Cynthia Kranz does my, which is completely

[00:27:51] like when I heard it, I was like, what?

[00:27:53] Like, that's just weird.

[00:27:55] Yeah.

[00:27:55] Um, they probably just, it was whoever was on hand, I guess.

[00:27:59] Well, also they hadn't established the voices yet, probably.

[00:28:01] So I just, that's true.

[00:28:03] Yeah.

[00:28:03] Cause, cause the Pilaf gang weren't, uh, they weren't in Z at all.

[00:28:07] So they wouldn't have been like legitimately cast until they started dubbing OG.

[00:28:12] Yeah.

[00:28:12] So that probably actually does make sense.

[00:28:14] It just, it was really funny hearing it and be like, wait a minute, that's completely

[00:28:17] wrong.

[00:28:18] Mm.

[00:28:19] I gotta say, I loved launch in this movie.

[00:28:23] Yeah.

[00:28:24] It was fun.

[00:28:24] Even just like going back to like her, going back to like her first scene in the film where

[00:28:28] they're taking the plane to, to the tournament.

[00:28:31] And she just like, starts like kind of freaking out.

[00:28:33] And she's just like, I just have this uncontrollable urge to hijack this plane.

[00:28:38] And everyone around her is just like horrified.

[00:28:42] Yeah.

[00:28:42] And this film came out in 88.

[00:28:46] So yeah, that's pre nine 11 and 96, I guess around or whenever.

[00:28:51] Literally pre nine, pre nine.

[00:28:53] You know, nowadays that would have been cut out.

[00:28:55] Um, well maybe not in Japan.

[00:28:57] Well in Japan, it would have been left in, but if this movie was dubbed circa 2002, that

[00:29:03] would have been removed.

[00:29:04] Yeah.

[00:29:06] Um, so yeah.

[00:29:12] I guess we should give a basic rundown of the, the setup at least.

[00:29:16] So Chiaotzu is the emperor of like the, the country or whatever they're in.

[00:29:21] And they didn't really specify what he's the emperor of, but he's an emperor.

[00:29:25] Um, the crane hermit and Tao and Tien all work for him like directly.

[00:29:35] But it's pretty obvious that the crane hermit is like up to some shit.

[00:29:39] Yeah.

[00:29:41] Uh, especially since like at the very beginning, cause you find out that his wife, that Chiaotzu's

[00:29:45] wife is missing, which first of all, what?

[00:29:47] Yeah.

[00:29:48] And second of all, and then the reveal with that at the end is just fucking ridiculous.

[00:29:52] I know when I, when I got to that point, I was like, wait a minute.

[00:29:55] I was like, like, it was like one of those, like, you know, the, like the, the calculations

[00:29:59] are just going around your head and you're just like, just trying to figure it out.

[00:30:04] Like, wait a minute.

[00:30:04] But like, even going back to like the, like one of the first scenes we have with all of

[00:30:09] them where, where blue walks in, which he was demoted in this movie, by the way.

[00:30:15] Yeah.

[00:30:15] I noticed that.

[00:30:17] Um, but he walks in and he's like, look, I don't trust these guys over here.

[00:30:22] Like you, you shouldn't trust them either.

[00:30:23] Like they are clearly shifty.

[00:30:25] And their response to that is to immediately kill him.

[00:30:28] And Chiaotzu didn't think that was weird.

[00:30:32] Chiaotzu is.

[00:30:32] He's outrageously gullible in this movie.

[00:30:35] Yeah.

[00:30:35] He's like so off character, which is bizarre.

[00:30:39] Cause I mean, his character in the show is pretty minimal as it is.

[00:30:43] Yeah.

[00:30:44] Yeah.

[00:30:45] This is basically a child.

[00:30:47] Yeah.

[00:30:47] In this movie, the whole time I was like, it's like, this is definitely a take.

[00:30:52] Like that's for sure.

[00:30:54] Yeah.

[00:30:54] Yeah.

[00:30:56] I did like that.

[00:30:57] They brought the whole, like, you know, killing him with a tongue thing back.

[00:30:59] But at the same time, it's like, yeah, I just find it weird that he's like,

[00:31:02] he didn't find that odd at all.

[00:31:05] Like immediately points suspicions at them.

[00:31:08] And then they, oh, we're just going to kill him right in front of you.

[00:31:11] Like, and you're just going to sweep it under the rug.

[00:31:13] Like it's no big deal.

[00:31:14] I will say I did enjoy mercenary Tao being back just because he's like one of my favorites

[00:31:19] from the original show.

[00:31:20] Oh, agreed.

[00:31:21] Yeah.

[00:31:22] He was one of the best villains.

[00:31:23] I mean, I'll never forget him just fucking pulling the fucking tree stump out of the

[00:31:28] ground, throwing it and then just jumping on it as a mead of meads of transportation.

[00:31:32] Like it's just such a movie.

[00:31:35] Yeah.

[00:31:35] I saw that.

[00:31:36] I was like, hell yeah.

[00:31:38] Mm hmm.

[00:31:39] Uh, one thing I also did notice that, uh, well, first of all, Bora and Upa are in this

[00:31:43] movie and the story kind of revolves around them because they bring the Dragon Ball into

[00:31:47] the equation.

[00:31:49] Four star ball specifically.

[00:31:50] Um, and I did notice that despite this being like a, like an early 2000s dub, uh, they,

[00:31:59] they refer to them as natives and not Indians.

[00:32:02] And I thought that was really, uh, for the time, like that was kind of big, like, you

[00:32:06] know, cause at that point in time, people were still saying Indian.

[00:32:09] Yeah.

[00:32:10] People still say it now, depending on where you look.

[00:32:13] True.

[00:32:14] And honestly, four kids was, had some questionable moments around this era too.

[00:32:19] So it was like, that's pretty surprising actually.

[00:32:22] Yeah.

[00:32:23] So is it, it definitely interesting, especially since like this would have been around the

[00:32:26] time they were dubbing you Haka show and that show is not politically correct.

[00:32:31] Not at all.

[00:32:33] So I just find that interesting that, that, that they, uh, that they did it that way.

[00:32:37] I mean, to be fair, when it comes to dubs, like funny is probably still one of the least

[00:32:42] politically correct these days.

[00:32:45] Yeah.

[00:32:47] That's probably true.

[00:32:48] Probably only Sentai is less politically correct than funny at this point.

[00:32:53] Hmm.

[00:32:54] But, um, so yeah, the, the basic story is that Chiaotzu was trying to find his missing wife.

[00:33:00] Uh, so he was informed that Dragon Balls exist.

[00:33:03] So he sends his army out to look for the Dragon Balls and they're, you know, being shitty

[00:33:09] as, as armies in anime tend to be.

[00:33:12] Uh, but he's completely clueless about that.

[00:33:15] Cause that's, that's, um, the crane guys doing.

[00:33:22] Um, and, uh, only Dragon Ball they don't have is the one that Bora and Dupa have.

[00:33:27] And eventually they made up with Goku.

[00:33:30] Uh, Bora is killed by Tao just like in the show.

[00:33:32] We even know it happens differently.

[00:33:34] Yeah.

[00:33:35] He gets to live a little longer this time.

[00:33:36] Um, slightly, slightly, slightly, uh, they did kind of censor his death though.

[00:33:43] Yeah.

[00:33:46] Um, and then long story short, there's a big fight and they get all the Dragon Balls and

[00:33:54] happy ending.

[00:33:56] Yeah.

[00:33:57] It, it, this movie's plot is pretty nothing.

[00:34:03] It's pretty bare bones for the, for sure.

[00:34:05] The action and writing in between makes up for it.

[00:34:12] Yeah.

[00:34:12] A lot of the character interactions are really fun.

[00:34:14] Yeah.

[00:34:15] Uh, like I said, I really like launching this movie cause there was this one point in, in

[00:34:18] the film where, um, uh, Bulma launch, Poir and Oolong are trying to get into like the palace

[00:34:27] to, to get the Dragon Balls from them and, um, you know, Poir and Oolong disguise themselves

[00:34:34] as the emperor and the crane hermit.

[00:34:38] And then, uh, Bulma and Launcher just kind of with them and they like bump into some

[00:34:42] people and they're like, Oh, are these your new girlfriends or whatever?

[00:34:45] And they're like, and Bulma's like, no, we're actually nuns.

[00:34:47] Even though they don't look like nuns at all.

[00:34:49] Like Bulma's like wearing like a crop top.

[00:34:52] Bulma's like the last person who should be considered a nun.

[00:34:55] And I seconded maybe only to Launch who is also there.

[00:35:00] Um, I think Launch could pull it off more than Bulma.

[00:35:03] Maybe blue haired Launch at least.

[00:35:06] True.

[00:35:06] Um, but Launcher's response to them saying that they're nuns is to get in their faces and

[00:35:12] then say, Hey, how about a donation?

[00:35:14] And then she rips their necklaces off of them.

[00:35:17] They say, yeah, this will do.

[00:35:19] Launcher's a great character that I really wish lasted more than fucking the original series.

[00:35:24] I wish Toyotaro would bring her back.

[00:35:26] You'd think, you know, a longtime fan like him, you think he would have brought it up

[00:35:30] at some point.

[00:35:32] Toriyama forgot.

[00:35:35] Yeah, but did Toyotaro?

[00:35:38] Well, he didn't, but Toriyama writes the scripts apparently.

[00:35:41] So.

[00:35:42] Well, not anymore.

[00:35:44] True.

[00:35:45] RIP.

[00:35:48] Um, I'm still waiting for that, that, that fan theory to be proven true.

[00:35:51] That Launch is actually the mother of Android 17's children.

[00:35:57] Imagine that?

[00:35:59] Imagine that?

[00:36:00] That'd be wild.

[00:36:01] Although it still wouldn't be the weirdest pairing in the show.

[00:36:05] True.

[00:36:06] I mean.

[00:36:07] Trunks and Mai.

[00:36:08] Trunks and Mai.

[00:36:10] You know, at least Trunks and Mai has development.

[00:36:15] Fair.

[00:36:16] I mean, I still think Bulma and Vegeta are the most forced relationship, even though they

[00:36:19] have grown into something decent over the years.

[00:36:22] Yeah, well, they only paired off because we needed more Saiyans.

[00:36:25] Yeah.

[00:36:25] Toriyama's like, need more Saiyans.

[00:36:28] I was like, shit, I need another baby machine.

[00:36:31] Bulma.

[00:36:32] Oh, what, Yamcha?

[00:36:34] Who?

[00:36:34] Fuck him.

[00:36:35] Move on.

[00:36:36] Nobody cares about him.

[00:36:37] I've already moved on from him at this point.

[00:36:39] Bulma's going to as well.

[00:36:41] Yeah.

[00:36:41] I will say.

[00:36:42] Trunks and Mai is random, but at least it's developed.

[00:36:46] It's got more developed than most relationships in this goddamn series, which is kind of sad.

[00:36:51] Yeah.

[00:36:51] Actually, both versions of Trunks and Mai have more development than most relationships in

[00:36:55] the series.

[00:36:56] Except for maybe like Krillin in 18 and like Gohan and Videl.

[00:37:01] Those are like the only other two pairings that might come close with the amount of development

[00:37:06] they have.

[00:37:07] Yeah.

[00:37:07] I mean, Krillin in 18 is...

[00:37:09] I still think Trunks and Mai has gotten more time though.

[00:37:12] Trunks and Mai has legitimate character development.

[00:37:14] Like in like relationship growth throughout that arc, which is hilarious in a lot of ways

[00:37:20] when you think about it.

[00:37:23] Krillin in 18 was mostly hinting and then Videl and Gohan have development.

[00:37:29] That's fair.

[00:37:30] They're probably the only other ones.

[00:37:32] Yeah.

[00:37:35] It's more than...

[00:37:36] It's more than...

[00:37:38] You want to get married?

[00:37:39] Oh, that's yummy.

[00:37:41] Yeah, right.

[00:37:43] Classic.

[00:37:44] Yeah, I'll try that next time.

[00:37:45] I'll try that next time.

[00:37:48] Oh.

[00:37:49] In like 15 years.

[00:37:52] Yeah.

[00:37:54] But yeah.

[00:37:56] Overall, the movie is very enjoyable.

[00:37:58] Yeah, definitely too short.

[00:38:00] I loved...

[00:38:01] Like...

[00:38:04] So like comparing the show to this movie, Arale's appearance in the show where like the enemy

[00:38:12] they were fighting was Blue, who while he was definitely threatening at points, he was

[00:38:18] still a pretty goofy character.

[00:38:20] So like...

[00:38:21] Like the comedic scenes kind of fit with that.

[00:38:25] But with this time it being Mercenary Tao that Arale was there for, I feel like the

[00:38:29] comedic moments, like the gags worked better because he's such a serious character.

[00:38:34] That's actually...

[00:38:35] That actually is something I really did like just because like one of the best parts about

[00:38:40] Mercenary Tao in the original series is the fact that he's this like super serious

[00:38:43] guy, but he's constantly having to deal with Goku's Goku-ness.

[00:38:47] And he just doesn't know how to react with Goku.

[00:38:50] And then you have Arale who is like even more fucking like unhinged than Goku is at times.

[00:38:56] Yeah, for real.

[00:38:56] Like I love the scene where he's like getting ready to square off with Goku and he like

[00:39:00] jumps at him and then he just gets pretty much just caught in midair because they like

[00:39:05] sneakily tied his ponytail to a tree.

[00:39:10] Yeah.

[00:39:11] It's just...

[00:39:11] That was a funny gag.

[00:39:13] I like that.

[00:39:14] Goofy shit like that is partially why I love OG Dragon Ball.

[00:39:17] In particular.

[00:39:18] Yeah, for sure.

[00:39:20] I will say this film is probably one of the best like if you want to just like introduce

[00:39:26] someone slowly to like original Dragon Ball.

[00:39:30] This is probably a good movie to show them because it's not...

[00:39:34] It's not super deep into the main storyline.

[00:39:38] Like it's just removed far enough that you could probably like...

[00:39:42] If they watched that and then started from the beginning, they probably wouldn't remember

[00:39:46] by the time they actually get these events in this show.

[00:39:49] Yeah.

[00:39:50] I'd say if you're talking OG Dragon Ball...

[00:39:57] Like if you want to get them accustomed to like the style, the animation of it, like the general

[00:40:02] presentation of it, this is definitely the one I would show.

[00:40:07] That being said, the following movie, I feel like kind of...

[00:40:13] Like introduces the concept of the show.

[00:40:15] But if you watch that film and then you go back and watch episode one of Dragon Ball, you'd be like,

[00:40:20] this looks...

[00:40:21] And it feels very different.

[00:40:23] Yeah.

[00:40:23] I guess like...

[00:40:25] I'll give ratings after we cover both of them, but...

[00:40:28] I think we should probably talk about Path of Power now.

[00:40:34] Path of Power is a weird movie.

[00:40:37] Like...

[00:40:38] Not...

[00:40:38] Yeah.

[00:40:39] Not bad, but it is weird.

[00:40:42] But I believe...

[00:40:43] I believe it was supposed to be a 10-year anniversary movie.

[00:40:46] Yeah, because it came out way after the third one.

[00:40:50] Like...

[00:40:50] Yeah.

[00:40:52] And I mean, you could tell just by looking at the animation style.

[00:40:54] Like it is very clearly the same animation style as GT, which I mean, you can kind of

[00:40:59] tell by the music in it because the music is GT music.

[00:41:02] So for context, Dragon Ball Path of the Power came out after Wrath of the Dragon.

[00:41:09] Mm-hmm.

[00:41:10] Mm-hmm.

[00:41:10] So all the Z movies had already been finished by the time Path of Power came out.

[00:41:15] Yeah.

[00:41:17] Which...

[00:41:18] I don't know.

[00:41:19] It kind of had like a weird...

[00:41:20] I don't know.

[00:41:21] When was the first time you watched this movie?

[00:41:24] When we watched these for the last episode.

[00:41:29] Oh, really?

[00:41:30] Yeah.

[00:41:31] You know, I had missed this one because this one...

[00:41:35] This one got dubbed back in the day, but I just missed it for whatever reason.

[00:41:39] I guess because these movies weren't the easiest to find.

[00:41:42] Yeah, for a while.

[00:41:43] Yeah.

[00:41:44] I don't think it was until like the little movie pack came out that it was really like easy

[00:41:48] to get them all.

[00:41:49] I will say something that's very interesting and it's kind of surprising.

[00:41:57] This is the...

[00:41:58] Out of the four Dragon Ball movies, this is the only one that features Stephanie Nodami

[00:42:02] as Goku.

[00:42:05] Yeah.

[00:42:06] Which is one of the reasons why I tend to prefer this one over the others.

[00:42:09] Not that the lady from the previous two films was bad.

[00:42:13] It was just...

[00:42:14] We're so used to Stephanie's voice that like anything else just sounds weird.

[00:42:20] Yeah.

[00:42:20] Anything else is just hashtag not my Goku.

[00:42:23] So...

[00:42:24] Well, because like in Blood Ruby, it's Colleen Clinkinbeard.

[00:42:28] The whole time I'm just like, it's just loopy.

[00:42:30] It's literally just loopy.

[00:42:32] Yeah.

[00:42:33] I like Colleen Clinkinbeard as an actress.

[00:42:35] Don't get me wrong.

[00:42:36] She does great work.

[00:42:38] She does great work.

[00:42:39] She just isn't Goku.

[00:42:42] And like...

[00:42:42] I know there might be some bias in there.

[00:42:45] I know I went through a lot of that with when Kai came out.

[00:42:50] And Gohan's voice is different.

[00:42:52] And Frieza's voice is different.

[00:42:53] And Balma's voice is...

[00:42:54] Like eventually I came around to a lot of those.

[00:42:56] But Goku is...

[00:42:57] Kid Goku is just one that I could never...

[00:43:00] I just can't with that one.

[00:43:02] I'm not the biggest Monica Rai fan.

[00:43:05] A Rael fan.

[00:43:06] But she's close enough to Tiffany Ballmer that you can get used to it.

[00:43:10] And she has kind of made the role her own over time.

[00:43:14] She has.

[00:43:15] I still always have a soft spot for Tiffany Ballmer though.

[00:43:18] Agreed.

[00:43:20] I mean...

[00:43:21] As much as I love...

[00:43:25] Shit.

[00:43:26] I'm forgetting her name.

[00:43:26] Who was Frieza originally?

[00:43:28] It was...

[00:43:28] Lindy Young.

[00:43:29] As much as I love Lindy Young's performance though...

[00:43:32] Like Chris Ayers is just...

[00:43:34] Yeah, that was definitely the more accurate Frieza in my opinion.

[00:43:37] Like that was like...

[00:43:38] Like if we were going to have just a straight up English version of the original Japanese actor...

[00:43:43] Chris Ayers was it.

[00:43:45] Chris Ayers also just really...

[00:43:47] He made that role his own.

[00:43:48] Which is...

[00:43:49] It's so tragic that what happened happened.

[00:43:52] Yeah.

[00:43:53] For sure.

[00:43:55] That being said though...

[00:43:56] The usuals are here.

[00:43:58] Like Yamcha is obviously Chris Sabat.

[00:44:00] We still had classic Oolong.

[00:44:02] So Brad M. Jackson.

[00:44:04] Mike McFarland as Roshi.

[00:44:09] Tiffany Ballmer.

[00:44:10] Of course.

[00:44:12] Yeah.

[00:44:12] I think this is like the only Dragon Ball...

[00:44:15] Like OG Dragon Ball film where we had...

[00:44:17] Like Tiffany Ballmer and...

[00:44:20] Stephanie Nadami.

[00:44:23] Yes.

[00:44:23] I believe so.

[00:44:24] Because this is the only one Stephanie did.

[00:44:26] And...

[00:44:27] I believe Tiffany was in the previous two.

[00:44:31] Sabat's been in pretty much all of them.

[00:44:34] Yeah.

[00:44:35] Yeah.

[00:44:35] I think so.

[00:44:36] I think Brad M. Jackson's been Oolong in all of them.

[00:44:41] Which is really weird.

[00:44:42] I feel like...

[00:44:43] I feel like...

[00:44:44] Well, he probably...

[00:44:45] First of the one Rubies was the other guy.

[00:44:47] Yeah.

[00:44:48] It probably was.

[00:44:48] But...

[00:44:49] I forget that one was done so much later.

[00:44:51] Yeah.

[00:44:52] That was probably a...

[00:44:56] How am I forgetting his name?

[00:44:57] Because we just talked about him in the Bacchano episode.

[00:44:59] Yeah.

[00:44:59] Last week we talked about him.

[00:45:02] Was it Brian Massey?

[00:45:04] Was that it?

[00:45:05] Brian Massey.

[00:45:05] Brian Massey.

[00:45:06] Yeah.

[00:45:06] That's his current voice.

[00:45:08] I mean, they're basically the same voice.

[00:45:10] Which is weird because it flip-flops with Oolong.

[00:45:12] Because sometimes it's...

[00:45:13] It's the original voice.

[00:45:15] Because with Battle of Gods it was the original voice.

[00:45:17] And then it switched back to Brian Massey for a while.

[00:45:19] So it's...

[00:45:20] I don't know.

[00:45:20] It jumps back and forth with that one.

[00:45:22] Oolong's a weird character like that.

[00:45:24] Yeah.

[00:45:27] So this film kind of goes right back to the...

[00:45:29] The beginning of the story by retelling the original arc.

[00:45:32] But by kind of combining the original arc with Red Ribbon.

[00:45:36] So it's like...

[00:45:36] It is the original arc.

[00:45:38] But the main villain is Red Ribbon.

[00:45:41] And it has elements of the Red Ribbon arc throughout.

[00:45:44] Which was really...

[00:45:45] Watching these all together at once.

[00:45:47] But it was a little annoying.

[00:45:48] Because like...

[00:45:49] Blood Ruby's kind of also does the start of Dragon Ball as well.

[00:45:53] Yeah.

[00:45:54] Although this one does it way better.

[00:45:57] Oh.

[00:45:57] This is the best looking OG Dragon Ball product.

[00:46:00] Just in general.

[00:46:02] It's also the best structurally.

[00:46:05] Like telling the story.

[00:46:07] The pacing.

[00:46:09] The general...

[00:46:11] The general presentation of it.

[00:46:13] Is just very good.

[00:46:15] The only appearance of purple haired Bulma in animation.

[00:46:21] Which is supposed to be her canon hair color.

[00:46:24] Yeah.

[00:46:25] Which I believe is why Trunks had that color hair originally.

[00:46:28] Yeah.

[00:46:29] Now they fucking fucked it up so hard that nobody knows anymore.

[00:46:33] I know.

[00:46:34] It's ridiculous.

[00:46:39] So.

[00:46:41] How do we want to cover this one?

[00:46:42] Because we've kind of already...

[00:46:44] With the Curse of the Blood Rubies.

[00:46:45] We've kind of already covered a lot of those bases.

[00:46:48] I mean.

[00:46:49] It is kind of hard to say.

[00:46:50] Because it is...

[00:46:51] It's literally just...

[00:46:53] OG...

[00:46:53] OG Dragon Ball beginning again.

[00:46:56] Only...

[00:46:56] It's got very pretty animation this time.

[00:47:00] Yes.

[00:47:00] I think this is probably the best looking animation.

[00:47:05] Like...

[00:47:05] Like...

[00:47:05] When I say animation.

[00:47:07] I mean like classic 2D animation.

[00:47:10] That...

[00:47:10] That Toei has ever done.

[00:47:12] Because...

[00:47:13] You know...

[00:47:13] Past...

[00:47:14] Like...

[00:47:14] Once we got into the 2000s.

[00:47:16] You know...

[00:47:16] We started moving into like more digital stuff.

[00:47:18] CGI.

[00:47:19] Stuff like that.

[00:47:20] So...

[00:47:20] Like this is...

[00:47:21] I think like peak...

[00:47:23] Like traditional animation for Toei.

[00:47:26] Yeah.

[00:47:26] Honestly.

[00:47:27] Because when I think Dragon Ball animation in general.

[00:47:31] Like I was thinking...

[00:47:32] I've been actually thinking about this.

[00:47:34] I'm pretty sure...

[00:47:36] This is the best looking thing they've ever produced.

[00:47:38] Aside from maybe the Brawley film.

[00:47:42] Like later on.

[00:47:43] But that was digital.

[00:47:45] Yeah.

[00:47:45] I mean...

[00:47:46] Nothing against digital.

[00:47:47] That film is fucking gorgeous.

[00:47:51] There is...

[00:47:52] There is a certain...

[00:47:54] There is a certain element to...

[00:47:57] Like traditional hand-drawn animation though.

[00:48:00] That you can't recapture that with computer generated.

[00:48:03] Well because it's...

[00:48:04] No matter how pretty a movie is.

[00:48:07] You know?

[00:48:07] Like just for reference.

[00:48:09] Like some of the shows during the transitional period.

[00:48:11] Where they went from hand-drawn to digital.

[00:48:14] Like Inuyasha was actually a good example of that.

[00:48:16] Because Inuyasha...

[00:48:17] You can tell distinctly when it goes from traditional to digital.

[00:48:21] Because the animation shift is pretty noticeable.

[00:48:25] Yeah.

[00:48:26] For sure.

[00:48:26] And there's a lot of shows during that era.

[00:48:28] Like Naruto was a big one.

[00:48:30] Like Naruto was one of the big like...

[00:48:32] Starting...

[00:48:33] Animes.

[00:48:34] Where they were really starting to lean in more into computer...

[00:48:37] Animation.

[00:48:37] Animation.

[00:48:39] Yeah.

[00:48:45] So...

[00:48:46] I mean...

[00:48:46] They do kind of twist the story up a little bit.

[00:48:49] Like you know we had the beginning.

[00:48:51] Which is pretty much the same.

[00:48:53] I mean obviously like some of the dialogue is different.

[00:48:55] And I probably just did that just to kind of...

[00:48:58] Smooth it over a little bit.

[00:49:00] Yeah exactly.

[00:49:02] I did like Goku and Bulma's meeting in this version.

[00:49:07] Yeah it wasn't as...

[00:49:10] Goofy as it has been.

[00:49:13] Yeah I love how she's just like...

[00:49:15] Like the way that she's like trying to...

[00:49:17] Convince him to give her the Dragon Ball.

[00:49:19] Is like...

[00:49:20] I don't know the way she said it.

[00:49:22] Made it seem like she was propositioning him.

[00:49:23] Not just offering him a peek.

[00:49:25] Like she does in the show.

[00:49:26] Yeah she was a lot more direct this time around.

[00:49:28] And I was like oh man.

[00:49:30] Yeah.

[00:49:32] She says something like...

[00:49:34] Like you give me the Dragon Ball.

[00:49:35] And I'll show you how boys and girls are really different.

[00:49:37] And he just goes yeah.

[00:49:38] He goes yeah.

[00:49:40] Slim and curvy.

[00:49:40] You know why are you showing me your butt?

[00:49:42] Yeah.

[00:49:43] I mean I do like his original line.

[00:49:45] Where he's like I don't want to see your dirty butt.

[00:49:47] Yeah.

[00:49:47] It was pretty great.

[00:49:49] How old is Bulma in this?

[00:49:51] Like is she like 14?

[00:49:52] 16.

[00:49:53] 16.

[00:49:53] Something like that.

[00:49:55] 16 I'm pretty sure.

[00:49:56] Because Goku's like...

[00:49:58] 11 or something.

[00:49:59] Maybe 11 or 12.

[00:50:01] Yeah.

[00:50:01] I don't know when his birthday is.

[00:50:03] But he'd be either 11 or 12.

[00:50:05] 12.

[00:50:05] I mean to be fair Goku probably doesn't know when his birthday is either.

[00:50:09] Well actually canonically in this series he thought he was 14.

[00:50:14] But then later on when he was learning with Master Roshi and Krillin.

[00:50:18] He figured out how math works.

[00:50:20] And figured out that he was actually 12.

[00:50:25] Good old Goku.

[00:50:26] Which I thought was pretty funny.

[00:50:32] So I liked how they implemented a lot of the Red Ribbon stuff.

[00:50:35] Like I think we didn't really start getting into that until they went to like Muscle Tower.

[00:50:41] Which I noticed some of the character designs changed for the Red Ribbon characters.

[00:50:53] Like Major Metallitron was very different.

[00:50:56] That was actually interesting because he was featured in both of the films that we're talking about this week.

[00:51:00] And they are very different character designs.

[00:51:03] Yeah.

[00:51:03] It was really funny going from like watching the first three and then going to this one and be like wow.

[00:51:08] You could tell this one was made at a different time.

[00:51:11] Yeah.

[00:51:11] For sure.

[00:51:13] And then...

[00:51:13] What was...

[00:51:17] Was it Captain White or Colonel White or whatever his name was?

[00:51:21] He looked...

[00:51:22] He actually looked like...

[00:51:24] He looked like the guy who shot Boo's dog.

[00:51:27] In this film for some reason.

[00:51:30] It doesn't look anything like his actual character design.

[00:51:35] Part of me wonders if they were trying to redesign them or they just were too lazy to remember and they just made new designs.

[00:51:42] I don't know.

[00:51:43] I will say I did like that they redesigned Staff Officer Black and made him a little less racist looking.

[00:51:51] Yeah.

[00:51:51] I did appreciate that.

[00:51:54] I still can't believe that was his name.

[00:51:56] Like in the original series.

[00:51:59] Yeah.

[00:51:59] Well.

[00:52:00] It was a different time.

[00:52:01] I get it.

[00:52:02] The 80s plus it's Japan and Japan's like 20 years behind culturally at times.

[00:52:08] Well, to be fair, the way that they portray Black people is kind of our fault.

[00:52:13] Well, America's fault, I should say.

[00:52:16] True.

[00:52:16] Because the only references they really had for a long time were like,

[00:52:19] our old comic strips from like the 20s and 30s, which weren't very flattering.

[00:52:25] So.

[00:52:25] Yeah, that's true.

[00:52:27] It's kind of America's fault that that ended up happening.

[00:52:30] I know.

[00:52:30] I just, I can't believe they named it that though.

[00:52:33] I can't believe the dub kept it that way, to be honest.

[00:52:37] Yeah, right.

[00:52:38] Like I could get, I can understand Japan doing that, but I'm amazed funny.

[00:52:42] Like just let that slide.

[00:52:44] Well, I mean, this was also the time where, where they were kind of like.

[00:52:49] They didn't kind of finding reasons to push the envelope.

[00:52:52] Because dubbing wasn't taken super seriously at that point.

[00:52:55] Fair.

[00:52:55] And a lot of people, to be fair, people would have complained that they changed it because

[00:53:00] people would complain when it's not the original source material period.

[00:53:05] People complained about the fucking frame ratio or whatever the fuck.

[00:53:09] Like.

[00:53:10] Yeah.

[00:53:11] People complained that they tried to make it like widescreen, which I mean, it does look

[00:53:14] like crap on the orange bricks, but still like that was like a big, like, oh, we need

[00:53:19] a four by three.

[00:53:20] That's the only way we can ever have Dragon Ball.

[00:53:22] It's like.

[00:53:24] Like, okay.

[00:53:25] I don't think it matters that much as long as it's not cutting out half of somebody's

[00:53:28] face.

[00:53:28] It doesn't really matter what, how much of the TV it takes up, but whatever.

[00:53:32] Yeah.

[00:53:36] It's really.

[00:53:37] That's the one thing about this film.

[00:53:39] Like this film is very enjoyable to watch.

[00:53:42] It is so hard to explain what's going on because it's literally just kind of a

[00:53:46] retelling.

[00:53:47] I'll say one thing that this film definitely did that I don't think anything else

[00:53:51] Dragon Ball has ever done.

[00:53:53] Is it made Yamcha seem threatening for about three seconds.

[00:53:57] That is true until he wasn't.

[00:54:00] Yeah.

[00:54:00] He was threatening for like an attack and then he noticed Balma and

[00:54:05] immediately just like dropped.

[00:54:07] Oh yeah.

[00:54:08] Cause he was scared.

[00:54:09] Afraid of women for a while.

[00:54:11] Yep.

[00:54:11] Yep.

[00:54:12] Yep.

[00:54:12] That was the thing.

[00:54:13] You know, it's, it's sad that the most threatening Yamcha ever was is when he

[00:54:16] fucking sucker punches Chi Chi that one time.

[00:54:19] Yeah.

[00:54:19] Right.

[00:54:21] Oh, we also had a pretty decent fight between Android eight and Goku, which

[00:54:26] never happened to the original series.

[00:54:27] And I kind of liked like, he looked threatening, which was really interesting

[00:54:32] because he's never really been that kind of character.

[00:54:34] Well, I, I just love Android eight as a character in general.

[00:54:37] So anytime he shows up in anything, I'm always super happy.

[00:54:41] Like, I mean, his appearance and fucking the Goku black suck because he literally

[00:54:45] stands on a fucking cliffside and just goes, Oh, like three times.

[00:54:48] Yeah.

[00:54:49] But, um, yeah, I did like that.

[00:54:51] They, um, that he was a much more major character in this movie.

[00:54:56] Well, he's such an interesting difference compared to like the general androids in the series.

[00:55:01] Cause he said, he's legit just a nice guy, but he's programmed to be evil.

[00:55:06] Yeah.

[00:55:06] And there was some interesting, there was some funny running gags in this, in this

[00:55:09] movie as well.

[00:55:10] Like, like how the turtle was obsessed with correcting everybody that he was a tortoise

[00:55:14] and not a sea turtle.

[00:55:15] Yeah.

[00:55:16] It just kept doing it over and over again.

[00:55:18] And then eventually he was like, well, good thing I had this turtle shell.

[00:55:21] And then Bob was like, wait, I thought you were a tortoise.

[00:55:23] He's like, whatever, just like whatever, who cares?

[00:55:29] Yeah.

[00:55:31] Um, and the, and the gag about, uh, what, when Roji was going to reward them by making

[00:55:36] them all immortal.

[00:55:37] Yeah.

[00:55:38] And then tortoise is like, Oh, the, the bird of immortality died of, uh, compounded food

[00:55:44] poisoning last year.

[00:55:45] He's like, ah, shit.

[00:55:46] That's right.

[00:55:47] Yeah.

[00:55:48] Yeah.

[00:55:48] They, they threw some zingers in this one.

[00:55:50] I'm like the OG dragon ball just has that inherent funniness to it.

[00:55:55] And of course they had to do the gag where go, Goku took off balls panties.

[00:55:59] Yeah.

[00:56:00] They also had to have go, uh, ball in the flash Roshi again.

[00:56:04] Well, yeah.

[00:56:05] I mean, you couldn't have one without the other.

[00:56:06] It's just kind of, see, they need to do it.

[00:56:09] Like the, any, the NES game dragon power where it's just a orgy of sandwiches.

[00:56:14] Yes.

[00:56:14] There's sandwiches everywhere.

[00:56:18] Uh, I love that.

[00:56:20] I both love and hate that game.

[00:56:22] Yeah.

[00:56:24] Um, did you notice how when, uh, when it was showing like the, the big, like futuristic

[00:56:32] looking muscle tower, you could see the original muscle tower in the background.

[00:56:36] Yeah.

[00:56:36] I thought that was an interesting, like blink it or miss it thing.

[00:56:39] Yeah.

[00:56:40] I like, there's been a lot of like, um, throughout this movie, there's a lot of like little things

[00:56:43] like that.

[00:56:43] But I didn't really appreciate all the fan servicey, like Bulma panty shots though.

[00:56:50] I mean, like obviously like, yeah, there's like the, the, the like canonical stuff, which

[00:56:53] was really meant for laughs, but there was a lot of like, you know, upskirt shots like

[00:56:58] randomly for no reason.

[00:57:00] Yeah.

[00:57:00] And it's, it's worse because she's 16 in this one.

[00:57:04] Yeah.

[00:57:06] Like this is like kid Bulma.

[00:57:09] For some reason they do that more when she's a kid than she's an adult.

[00:57:12] Yes.

[00:57:13] Anyways.

[00:57:14] Japan.

[00:57:15] The statute of limitations is a bunch lower or when an age of consent is much lower.

[00:57:20] Yeah.

[00:57:21] That's why I appreciate Rumiko Takahashi so much because she had a fucking mandate in

[00:57:26] her fucking scripts that you could not see under Kagome's dress ever.

[00:57:30] Hmm.

[00:57:31] Which was good because we don't need that.

[00:57:34] I appreciate that.

[00:57:36] Um, but I mean, growth, the groping song goes, but on the other hand, I mean, despite

[00:57:41] that though, I do think that this is one of the best Dragon Ball films, period.

[00:57:45] Oh yeah.

[00:57:46] No, just from a visual standpoint, it's so fucking beautiful.

[00:57:50] It is a easy film to watch like beginning to end.

[00:57:54] There's no, um, there's no slow points.

[00:57:57] It kind of, it's, if you haven't watched original Dragon Ball before, it is a great film to watch.

[00:58:05] I think the previous film is a better example of what OG Dragon Ball is like, but this is

[00:58:10] a great film just in itself as a standalone product.

[00:58:14] For sure.

[00:58:16] Like even just like the, the little scenes, like when, when Goku and Aider were having

[00:58:20] their little snowball fight, like that was just such a heartwarming moment.

[00:58:24] Um, this was also like stuff like that very often.

[00:58:28] This was also some of funny as best voice work.

[00:58:31] Like Stephanie does great work.

[00:58:36] Tiffany Vollmer is always great.

[00:58:37] Sabat was really finding his own.

[00:58:39] Um, yeah, by this point I feel like they were, they were pretty settled into their roles.

[00:58:44] I don't know exactly when it was dubbed, but I know that it was, it was far enough along

[00:58:48] where, you know, they, they were very familiar with the characters at this point.

[00:58:52] Yeah.

[00:58:53] Everything was at least established.

[00:58:54] Like they hadn't, they weren't still in that pre ocean.

[00:58:59] Well, the post ocean pre like really settling everything phase that they had going on there.

[00:59:06] Yeah, for sure.

[00:59:08] Um, yeah.

[00:59:09] And they really like amped up like, uh, like the, the dramatic, like, like for instance,

[00:59:14] the first Kamehameha, like that was way bigger and more intense than anything we saw

[00:59:18] in OG Dragon Ball.

[00:59:19] Yeah.

[00:59:20] OG Dragon Ball.

[00:59:21] The cut.

[00:59:22] Okay.

[00:59:23] I was going to say in OG Dragon Ball, the Kamehamehas were always super slow.

[00:59:27] Like every time they say one, even like in the final battle with Piccolo, like they're

[00:59:32] so slow.

[00:59:34] Yeah.

[00:59:35] So actually that's what I was going to say is even like when, when Goku pulls up the super

[00:59:38] Kamehameha, it was even like, it was less intense than, than the, the few that we see

[00:59:44] in this film.

[00:59:45] And then at the, at the end where, where Goku's fighting against, uh, black.

[00:59:53] Anyway, when he's fighting against him and, uh, Aider like, you know, goes and defends

[00:59:59] him and he dies and everything.

[01:00:01] Like he's, he's powering up.

[01:00:04] Like that is a fucking straight up, like end of Z power up scene.

[01:00:07] I, I like literally the first time I saw this movie, I thought he was about to go super

[01:00:10] Saiyan.

[01:00:11] I was about to be real confused.

[01:00:13] Like that's, that's how intense it was.

[01:00:17] When, uh, when Aider died, I was like, it actually did emotionally hit me, even though

[01:00:22] I kind of knew he would be back.

[01:00:24] Yeah.

[01:00:25] Cause I mean, if you've seen the show, you know, but.

[01:00:28] And I'm glad that this movie gave Aider that stuff because like, I always felt that Aider

[01:00:33] was extremely underutilized in the, in the series.

[01:00:35] And I really wish he had been kind of around more.

[01:00:38] Yeah.

[01:00:38] Cause other than his main arcs in OG Dragon Ball, he only really appears.

[01:00:44] He's got that one cameo at the, towards the end of Z where him and Suno give energy

[01:00:49] to Goku.

[01:00:50] Um, and then he stands on the cliff and, and super like a dumb ass for like a couple

[01:00:56] scenes.

[01:00:57] Yeah.

[01:00:57] It doesn't even say anything.

[01:00:59] No, he goes, huh?

[01:01:01] Yeah.

[01:01:02] Like, um, and I think we saw him like a couple episodes during the King Piccolo arc, but that

[01:01:09] was filler.

[01:01:10] Like that wasn't part of the manga.

[01:01:11] True.

[01:01:12] Uh, he is, he's in Kakarot a few, like he has a couple of side quests in Kakarot, which

[01:01:17] is nice.

[01:01:17] Yeah.

[01:01:18] Well, everyone's in Kakarot.

[01:01:20] True.

[01:01:21] Um, so I don't know.

[01:01:23] It's, it's just one of those things where I really appreciated that about this film.

[01:01:26] Uh, cause he was definitely one of those characters.

[01:01:29] And that's probably why they, they did that with him too, is because I think even they knew

[01:01:33] like he is such a popular character and everybody had that kind of soft spot for him, even though

[01:01:38] he really wasn't in very much of the series at all.

[01:01:41] Yeah.

[01:01:42] Well, I mean, cause he was the first Android, like even though he's technically mechanical

[01:01:46] man eight and not Android eight, he's, uh, he's the first one of the red ribbon line.

[01:01:51] He's, but he's also like immediately likable.

[01:01:55] Like he's got a cool design.

[01:01:56] I mean, he's, he's basically Frankenstein.

[01:01:58] It was a monster, but like fun.

[01:02:00] Yeah.

[01:02:01] Um, and he's just a generally nice character, like with a great arc.

[01:02:07] Yeah.

[01:02:08] Toriyama wasn't very subtle with his, uh, with his inspirations.

[01:02:12] No, not, not at all.

[01:02:14] Like Ader is just Frankenstein.

[01:02:17] Major Metallitron is just the Terminator.

[01:02:21] Yeah.

[01:02:22] Yeah.

[01:02:23] Yep.

[01:02:23] He's not very subtle.

[01:02:26] That being said though, out of the four Dragon Ball films, original Dragon Ball films,

[01:02:32] these two are definitely the strongest ones.

[01:02:35] Like they're definitely rear.

[01:02:36] The strengths are towards the rear half.

[01:02:39] Yeah.

[01:02:40] Um, I, if I had to rank all of them, I definitely say half the power is the best one.

[01:02:47] Hmm.

[01:02:48] Uh, honestly, I think it's kind of like, it's half a power than, um, what's the previous

[01:02:54] one called again?

[01:02:56] Mystical Adventure.

[01:02:57] It's half a power, Mystical Adventure, Blood Rubies, and then the Sleeping Dragon.

[01:03:02] Yeah.

[01:03:03] Sleeping Dragon was just meh.

[01:03:05] Yeah.

[01:03:06] It was, yeah, it was just not very good.

[01:03:09] Um, yeah, that's definitely how it would rank them for, as far as like an actual rating.

[01:03:15] Um, I mean, Mystical Adventure, I'd give like maybe a 7.5.

[01:03:20] You know, it was entertaining.

[01:03:21] It could have, it could have used more, more time for the characters.

[01:03:26] And that's probably what dragged it down as much as it did.

[01:03:28] But otherwise it was, it was a fun movie and I enjoyed it.

[01:03:32] Pat the Power on the other hand, it's easy 8.5.

[01:03:36] I'd even go as far as giving it a nine.

[01:03:38] Like it is one, one of the best Dragon Ball films, period.

[01:03:43] So I'm pretty sure on, um, my, the, the ranking sites I gave.

[01:03:51] Let's see.

[01:03:52] What did I give these films?

[01:03:57] Wow.

[01:03:58] So I gave, um, Mystical Adventure a 7.

[01:04:02] I gave, uh, Path to Power an 8.

[01:04:06] I gave, I gave the Blood Diamonds a 7 as well.

[01:04:11] I'd actually probably bump that down to a 6, to be honest.

[01:04:14] Um, and I gave Sleeping Dragon a 5.

[01:04:20] Yeah, that's about right.

[01:04:24] But yeah.

[01:04:25] All right.

[01:04:27] I mean, they were good films overall.

[01:04:30] I enjoyed my entire time with them.

[01:04:35] I won't lie though.

[01:04:36] Other than maybe Path to Power, I probably aren't going to watch these again anytime soon.

[01:04:41] Yeah.

[01:04:42] That's kind of like where I'm at with, with the OG movies.

[01:04:45] It's like, if I'm going to, if I want to watch OG Dragon Ball, it's like, I'd rather just watch the series.

[01:04:51] Because it's all the same, just told better with more time, you know?

[01:04:56] Honestly, because like, thinking about it, like the Z movies, there's a few in there I would watch routinely.

[01:05:04] Well, that's where the Z movies have an advantage over OG is because the Z movies aren't like retellings.

[01:05:10] Like they are kind of, because you can find correlations with the Z movies based on like where they would take place in, in the series.

[01:05:18] But it's not just a straight up retelling.

[01:05:20] Like, Curse of the Blood, Rubies, and Path to Power are both just straight up retellings of the first arc.

[01:05:27] Whereas, you know, something like Cooler is like, it's definitely in reference to, and it references like Frieza stuff, but it's very clearly separate from it.

[01:05:40] Yeah, it's, the arcs are very much kind of like, they're like intended to be kind of like,

[01:05:48] kind of like, adaptions of stuff from Z.

[01:05:50] Like, it's kind of like how Fusion Reborn is kind of, it's, Janemba is essentially the Boo parallel to the films.

[01:05:57] But it does its own things that make it unique.

[01:06:00] It does.

[01:06:00] Which I appreciate.

[01:06:02] Like, they feel, they all feel unique.

[01:06:05] Like, I would, I still will sit down and watch Fusion Reborn.

[01:06:08] I'll watch Super Android 13 for that, for his Texas accent.

[01:06:12] Yeah.

[01:06:14] I'll still watch Tree of Might.

[01:06:15] I'll watch World's Strongest.

[01:06:19] I'll even watch like, Lord Slug every now and then.

[01:06:25] With the American music, for sure.

[01:06:27] Hell yeah.

[01:06:28] So much fucking, that shit's my jam.

[01:06:32] Like, so I'm all into that.

[01:06:33] For real.

[01:06:34] For real.

[01:06:35] The only, like, honestly, the only Z movies I tend to avoid are like, I don't watch Brawley's Second Coming because that movie's a fucking boring.

[01:06:41] Boring.

[01:06:43] Bio Brawley I only watch if I'm, if I'm really interested in watching some shit.

[01:06:48] See, Bio Brawley I like for like the slice of life moments.

[01:06:52] Like, the Brawley part is inconsequential.

[01:06:54] Like, it could have been any old blob monster and it wouldn't matter.

[01:06:57] So I just kind of like treat it as separate from Brawley itself.

[01:07:00] You get the cute, like, Android 18 and like, Goten and Trunk stuff.

[01:07:04] Because it's one of the few movies that focuses mostly on 18, which is actually kind of cool.

[01:07:09] But the thing that sucks about it is they're literally fighting a shit demon the entire time.

[01:07:14] Yeah.

[01:07:17] I mean, we'll probably cover these more in depth later on in the podcast.

[01:07:22] Oh, for sure.

[01:07:23] Yeah.

[01:07:24] Honestly, out of all the Z films, the one that feels the least interesting to me, like, just inherently from a plot standpoint is probably Wrath of the Dragon.

[01:07:35] I don't know.

[01:07:35] I like Wrath of the Dragon.

[01:07:37] Honestly, for me, for me personally, I dislike Tree of Might the most.

[01:07:42] I don't know why it just, that movie just doesn't do it for me.

[01:07:46] See, I can watch Tree of Might just because I kind of like, um, I like him so much I forgot his name.

[01:07:54] Turles?

[01:07:55] I like Turles as a concept because it's essentially like if Goku was a villain.

[01:08:00] Hmm.

[01:08:03] That being said, though, like, Wrath of the Dragon's fine.

[01:08:07] I just, I feel like it's, nothing really happens in it.

[01:08:13] Like, other than that doofy part at the end where it's like, look, guys, this is where Trunks got his sword.

[01:08:18] And it's like, it doesn't make sense at all.

[01:08:21] No, I, for sure.

[01:08:23] Well, I mean, there is a, well, we could talk about it more when we get to it, which will be a while from now.

[01:08:29] But I do have an argument for that.

[01:08:32] So we'll leave that at that.

[01:08:33] We'll leave that at that for now.

[01:08:35] But I feel like Wrath of the Dragon has a decent original story.

[01:08:39] And it is an original story.

[01:08:40] Like, it's not really based on anything before it.

[01:08:43] I will say, though, you got some classic Toriyama reusing designs because the main, the main, the original character for that movie is literally just Crono with a bad haircut.

[01:08:56] Yeah, it's Crono with a Supreme Kai haircut.

[01:08:58] Yeah.

[01:08:59] It's like not even like subtle.

[01:09:02] But I mean, I like that character.

[01:09:04] I think he's fine.

[01:09:05] I mean, he's one of like the most like beloved in the fan base for like non-canon characters.

[01:09:11] He's right up there with Pycon.

[01:09:13] I mean, that's I think that's why people love Fusure Reborn so much because fucking Pycon's in it, even though he spends the entire film yelling at a wall.

[01:09:20] I mean, that's like one of the best parts of that movie.

[01:09:23] True.

[01:09:24] I mean, that whole movie screen.

[01:09:24] I love emo Vegeta.

[01:09:26] Vegeta is so emo in that movie.

[01:09:28] It's not even funny.

[01:09:30] Yeah, because I don't know.

[01:09:31] I know we're getting a little off topic and we're going to have like a full on discussion about this like down the line.

[01:09:36] But I do love that Pycon just kind of swoops down like while they're fighting Janemba.

[01:09:40] And it's just like yelling at him.

[01:09:42] And it's just like, hey, guys, he has this very obvious weakness that you should have figured out by now.

[01:09:47] Yeah.

[01:09:48] And then he goes away and then they fuse.

[01:09:51] Yep.

[01:09:52] But yeah.

[01:09:54] Yeah.

[01:09:55] I'm looking forward to getting more into those later.

[01:09:58] Yeah.

[01:09:59] It's sad that my favorites are kind of more towards the end, but.

[01:10:03] That's kind of how you get through Dragon Ball films.

[01:10:06] But yeah.

[01:10:08] I guess other than that, that's pretty much it.

[01:10:11] I guess we're kind of closing the door on OG Dragon Ball for the time being.

[01:10:16] Well, for now, at least, I'm sure we'll we'll, you know, maybe eventually come around to the manga.

[01:10:21] But yeah, maybe sometime down.

[01:10:24] I mean, we might do a full on retrospective of the series itself at some point.

[01:10:28] Yeah.

[01:10:29] Or maybe we'll talk about like.

[01:10:32] Origins.

[01:10:33] We want them.

[01:10:36] Yeah, we'll see about that.

[01:10:37] And that would require me to actually play through those games.

[01:10:41] Yeah.

[01:10:42] They're not the best.

[01:10:45] Fucking touch.

[01:10:46] Yeah.

[01:10:49] But yeah.

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