Geek Addicts - Episode 49: Discussing The Pokemon Games!

[00:00:05] The following is a GNC Podcast Production Pop Culture Podcast.

[00:01:06] It's not Game Freak, it's the Pokemon Company and Nintendo.

[00:01:10] They're suing the developers of the game Pal World, which was essentially a Pokemon-esque

[00:01:18] styled game where it was more of like a tactical-ish kind of game, but it was essentially Pokemon

[00:01:25] with guns.

[00:01:26] I gotcha.

[00:01:28] I feel like people, somebody, maybe it was my friend Tom, I know somebody recommended that

[00:01:32] I play that game.

[00:01:33] I'm kind of glad I didn't because if they're getting sued, then I doubt they're going to

[00:01:36] be a wrap along.

[00:01:38] So here's the thing about that whole situation where I went from initially praising Nintendo

[00:01:44] to thinking they're idiots.

[00:01:47] This game literally is, aside from like some very basic ideas which aren't anything original

[00:01:54] that Nintendo owns, the game is barely anything like Pokemon.

[00:01:59] It has some character designs that are kind of reminiscent of Pokemon, but there's no direct

[00:02:06] like copies or anything.

[00:02:08] And it's like, it's such a...

[00:02:12] The fact that they're claiming like copyright infringement is ridiculous in my opinion.

[00:02:17] The thing where that gets me is, this game's been dead for a while.

[00:02:22] Like there's people playing it obviously, but like it has been out of the public sphere.

[00:02:25] Like the hype for it is completely dead at this point.

[00:02:28] Like nobody actually cares about Power World that much anymore.

[00:02:32] And initially I had praised Nintendo because when this first came out, Nintendo had basically

[00:02:36] their only statement was, they basically said, we're aware of it, but we're not really pursuing

[00:02:41] anything right now.

[00:02:43] Which I thought was genius because essentially they just disregarded it and let it naturally

[00:02:50] fall out of the spotlight on its own and disappear.

[00:02:55] Which I was like, okay, that's genius.

[00:02:56] Yeah.

[00:02:56] But it'll just die on its own and they'll move on.

[00:02:59] What they've done now is now they're suing them.

[00:03:02] They've brought the game back into the spotlight and now people are going to play it again

[00:03:06] out of spite because people hate when Nintendo and companies do this shit.

[00:03:10] Yeah, that's fair.

[00:03:11] So it's like, it's, I went from like Nintendo, this is smart to Nintendo.

[00:03:16] You're fucking stuck in 95 again.

[00:03:19] Yeah, that's about right.

[00:03:21] Uh, I just want to throw out an apology at the top here.

[00:03:23] I am, um, struggling with some, some sinus problems from the temperature fluctuations over

[00:03:28] here.

[00:03:28] And, uh, so I may be a little stuffy.

[00:03:31] I may, uh, have to clear my throat a little bit more up than usual.

[00:03:35] So just at the top, I don't want to let people know that.

[00:03:37] Gotcha.

[00:03:39] Yeah.

[00:03:39] It's been just one of those crazy situations.

[00:03:43] Yeah.

[00:03:44] Fucking Nintendo.

[00:03:47] They're just like, I don't know.

[00:03:49] It just makes no sense to me.

[00:03:51] I think that I'll give Nintendo is at least they're full on honest about being scumbags.

[00:03:56] That's fair.

[00:03:57] I mean, they, it's not like they have anything to lose.

[00:03:59] They're not fucking hurting.

[00:04:02] I don't know who's worse.

[00:04:03] Nintendo or Disney.

[00:04:07] Disney.

[00:04:09] Yeah.

[00:04:09] Disney's a cult.

[00:04:11] Then they'll, they're never going to live down that.

[00:04:13] The, uh, the Spider-Man gravestone and thing.

[00:04:16] Hmm.

[00:04:17] Yeah.

[00:04:17] Well, uh, Nintendo may be dicks about stuff, but like,

[00:04:21] like Disney is just a cult.

[00:04:23] Like the people who like super into Disney are like, it's, I don't know.

[00:04:28] I've, I've seen people who are way too into Disney before.

[00:04:31] And it's like, speaking of somebody who has been pretty much watching Disney movies nonstop

[00:04:35] for the past couple of years, uh, with my, with my small daughter.

[00:04:38] Uh, it, I don't know.

[00:04:41] It's.

[00:04:42] It's they're doing something there.

[00:04:44] There's some sort of fucking brainwashing going on.

[00:04:46] There's definitely, there's a difference between enjoying Disney products, like Disney films and stuff and making your entire personality Disney.

[00:04:55] Yeah.

[00:04:55] I, uh, my friend's mom.

[00:04:58] I know.

[00:05:00] I've, I've met multiple people over the years who their personality is Disney.

[00:05:05] And I'm like, this is sad on so many, no offense to anybody who may or may not fit this description, but I don't get it.

[00:05:15] I mean, I'm not going to say like, I don't know.

[00:05:18] It's one of those things where like, it's not like Disney, like, I don't know if it's just like, like what we think of as Disney that you're obsessed with.

[00:05:28] Then it's like, yeah, it's a little bit weird, but I mean, Disney's also making Marvel.

[00:05:31] They're also making star Wars.

[00:05:33] Now they're also making, you know, they made the pirates movies.

[00:05:36] They made the Narnia movies.

[00:05:38] So like, it's not like, it's just that stuff.

[00:05:42] Sure.

[00:05:43] They, they, they, they've, they've kind of like created like a broad scope of what Disney makes now.

[00:05:47] But like when people think Disney, they think like, you know, Peter Pan, the sleeping beauty, little mermaid and all that crazy.

[00:05:55] Oh yeah. Toy story.

[00:05:57] Well, that's Pixar, but yeah.

[00:05:59] Disney owns them though.

[00:06:01] True.

[00:06:01] But there is, there's like a weird separation between Disney and Pixar, even though they are basically the same.

[00:06:09] But yeah, it's just one of those weird things.

[00:06:12] Um, so my, my one piece, uh, journey has been brought to a screeching halt.

[00:06:20] Uh, at the moment.

[00:06:21] Uh, I'm pretty sure I've mentioned on here before that I've been borrowing my cousin's crunchy roll.

[00:06:26] And that's how I've been watching a lot of stuff.

[00:06:29] Uh, unfortunately, uh, I guess I text him about it.

[00:06:32] Cause I, I went to go like, you know, download my daily episodes or whatever for work.

[00:06:37] And it said like, Oh, upgrade to premium, blah, blah, blah.

[00:06:39] I'm like, that's weird.

[00:06:40] So I texted my cousin about it and he said, Oh yeah.

[00:06:42] Like I had like, uh, my credit card was compromised.

[00:06:45] So now I have, and of course it was right before the billing cycle for, for crunchy roll.

[00:06:49] So now he has to wait until the new one comes in before he could restart the account.

[00:06:54] So, uh, yeah, but it gives me a chance to, to, to do some rewatches and catch up on some stuff that I, I haven't been watching because I've been focused so much on one piece.

[00:07:04] Like I noticed, um, a couple of days ago, Oshinoko was finally put on Hulu.

[00:07:09] So I watched the first episode of that yesterday.

[00:07:12] Oh, how'd you do it?

[00:07:13] That mind fuck.

[00:07:14] Or, uh, yeah, that, that, that took a dark turn.

[00:07:17] That took a real dark turn and I was not expecting it at all.

[00:07:20] Did you get to episode two yet?

[00:07:21] Or did you just watch?

[00:07:23] I only just watched the first.

[00:07:24] I mean, that was like the first episode was basically a movie, but it was, and boy, boy, didn't, don't you love just like, like getting attached to this character just for her to get fucking taken away right at the end.

[00:07:37] Right.

[00:07:37] Like I wasn't expecting this series to take, like, I have no idea where this series is going to go now.

[00:07:42] Like, uh, I don't know.

[00:07:43] It was just like, I, I didn't even know what to expect with this year.

[00:07:46] Cause I knew nothing about it.

[00:07:47] Like at all.

[00:07:48] Can you believe it's the same creator as Kaguya saw?

[00:07:51] That was like, it was exactly what I was thinking of the whole time.

[00:07:54] Like, this is the same, the same guy or girl, whoever it is.

[00:07:57] Uh, I don't know.

[00:07:59] What was that?

[00:07:59] Aka, aka, aka, aka, a boy or a girl.

[00:08:02] He's a guy.

[00:08:07] I've definitely am intrigued and I, and I want to continue watching.

[00:08:11] Of course, it's one of those shows on Hulu that won't let me download it.

[00:08:14] So I have to watch it at home, but you know, I just want to do it.

[00:08:18] At least not every episode is movie length.

[00:08:20] So I should be able to get to the rest.

[00:08:22] Uh, it's only, I will, I won't spoil what happens, but the, uh, the tone of the show takes an abrupt shift.

[00:08:29] Starting with episode two, like once the actual story proper starts episode, the, the start of Oshinoko literally.

[00:08:37] Is, is like one of the biggest gut punches you'll ever have in modern, like most recent, like manga and anime.

[00:08:43] Yeah.

[00:08:44] It was, it was definitely like, I was not expecting the heel turn.

[00:08:47] It took, uh, I did love the rave babies though.

[00:08:50] That was great.

[00:08:51] Love that bit.

[00:08:52] Did, did I tell you I got spoiled about the opening to Oshinoko and the fucking formula one sub or Reddit?

[00:08:58] I think, I think you did mention that.

[00:08:59] Yeah.

[00:09:00] That of all fucking places.

[00:09:02] It's like, I mean, I knew, I knew from the start that.

[00:09:07] I mean, spoiler warning for anyone who hasn't seen it, but, um, I knew for, from the start that I dies like in episode one.

[00:09:14] And like, it's a very dramatic thing.

[00:09:16] I didn't realize it was that traumatic though.

[00:09:19] Yeah, that was, that was rough.

[00:09:21] Um, and just like the whole thing where like, it's the twins.

[00:09:25] And then like, one of them is the doctor and one of them is the patient that got the doctor into eye.

[00:09:30] And it's like a whole fucking, it's like a tapestry of fucking events that fucking build to it.

[00:09:35] And I was not, this is a weird, uh, a very weird and interesting take on the whole reborn as blah, blah, blah.

[00:09:43] Like it gets weirder.

[00:09:45] It gets weirder.

[00:09:46] I'm sure it does.

[00:09:47] I'm sure it does.

[00:09:48] It's actually kind of turned me off to it a little bit as, as it goes.

[00:09:51] I won't say why, but I'll just say that, uh, it's interesting.

[00:09:57] It also takes place canonically in the same universe as Gagi is over.

[00:10:01] So that's all right.

[00:10:03] Fair enough.

[00:10:04] I guess I'll see you when I get there, but I don't know.

[00:10:06] I'm definitely intrigued and I, and I want to continue watching.

[00:10:09] I gave like, I gave Cindy like a brief kind of synopsis about what the story is about.

[00:10:14] I didn't tell her what the dark turn was, but I did tell her there was a dark turn.

[00:10:18] Like, um, I explained like the whole like beginning bit to her.

[00:10:23] I was like, Oh, like there's a doctor and the pop idol and all this other stuff.

[00:10:27] And I'm like, and she's like looking at me weird as like, like the expression on her face is getting weirder and weirder as I'm explaining it.

[00:10:35] And then by the end of it, when she's like, what the fuck I'm like, yeah.

[00:10:38] And that's only like the first 10 minutes of the first episode.

[00:10:41] Yeah.

[00:10:42] Which is crazy to me too, because like that, the episode ends with like, um, the, the credit song by Queen B I forget the name of it, but, uh, it's like got that really like dramatic, like, uh, orchestral like start to it.

[00:10:56] And then there's like, just like the sub bass drop and it's just so dark, but kind of like intriguing.

[00:11:02] It was on both me and Alex's, uh, top 10 anime outros earlier that we did earlier this year.

[00:11:08] Hmm.

[00:11:09] But yeah, I'm definitely going to continue watching that when I have, when I have the opportunity.

[00:11:13] The only thing that sucks is I just, I don't have a whole lot of opportunities to take control of the living room TV.

[00:11:18] So it's just one of those, like when I can kind of things, especially cause that is such a dark show.

[00:11:23] That's not good to have around the kiddos.

[00:11:26] Yeah.

[00:11:27] Well, I mean, Francis doesn't know the difference.

[00:11:30] True.

[00:11:31] But my, and Zander just doesn't straight up doesn't care.

[00:11:35] Fair.

[00:11:36] Zander's at an age where he's starting to get into that kind of thing.

[00:11:38] So fair.

[00:11:40] Yeah.

[00:11:40] Oshinoko is surprisingly dark.

[00:11:42] Like it's dark enough that it makes adults uncomfortable.

[00:11:45] Yeah.

[00:11:46] Um, but yeah, aside from that, uh, you know, since I had to kind of figure out like something else, since I didn't have one piece this week, I watched a couple movies.

[00:11:56] I watched, um, how I was moving castle for the first time.

[00:12:00] I enjoyed it very much.

[00:12:02] Um, house is good.

[00:12:03] It's not my favorite Ghibli film, but it's one of the, it's, it's probably one of the ones I like more.

[00:12:09] That's fair.

[00:12:10] Is it cause it's like a Western fantasy kind of thing?

[00:12:14] Um, I didn't mind that.

[00:12:16] I actually, I liked it more until I actually read, I've read a bit of the, uh, the actual novel, um, that it's based on.

[00:12:22] I was surprised.

[00:12:22] I didn't realize it was based on a novel.

[00:12:24] It's based off an English novel too, which is very, which I find interesting.

[00:12:27] I read that a little bit into that.

[00:12:30] Apparently the novel, a lot of stuff that doesn't quite make sense in the, in the movie is explained in the novel much better.

[00:12:38] Yeah.

[00:12:38] I'll have to check that out.

[00:12:39] I mean, you know me, I like, I like good novels.

[00:12:41] So, uh, and I also watched one piece film red.

[00:12:45] Oh, nice.

[00:12:46] What'd you think?

[00:12:47] I thought it was great.

[00:12:48] Uh, and like, as, as it was going on, uh, well, first of all, I wasn't expecting, uh, what Uta is your name, right?

[00:12:55] Yes.

[00:12:57] I wasn't expecting her to be like the villain.

[00:12:59] I knew she was like the main focal point of, of the movie, but I didn't, I didn't think she was going to be the villain.

[00:13:07] Um, and also like, as soon as she started singing, I'm like, I know that fucking voice.

[00:13:10] Like I know that singer.

[00:13:12] It's, I looked at, yeah, it's, it's the, the singer for Kura Kura from the second season of spy family.

[00:13:19] See what's hilarious is you knew her as the, uh, the singer for that.

[00:13:23] And when I heard Kura Kura, I was like, Oh, it's the one piece red lady.

[00:13:26] Yeah.

[00:13:27] But no, I, I enjoyed it.

[00:13:29] It was, it was a fun movie.

[00:13:30] Uh, it did kind of leave me kind of scratching my head a little bit though.

[00:13:33] Well, first of all, about when it takes place, because there was that one brief moment where Luffy went gear five at the end, but like the way that the movie is presented, it seems like it's before Wano.

[00:13:45] So that's kind of confusing.

[00:13:47] And then also it ends with it.

[00:13:51] Forgive me if I'm wrong.

[00:13:52] I don't know if I missed something or not, but it seemed like she went off with the red haired pirates at the end.

[00:13:58] And if that's the case, like, is she going to be there when they encounter the red haired pirates later?

[00:14:04] Because that's going to be confusing.

[00:14:07] You interpreted it different than me.

[00:14:08] I interpreted as she died.

[00:14:13] It didn't seem like, I don't know.

[00:14:15] Maybe I need to watch it again.

[00:14:16] I don't know the way I, the way, the way I watch it is that they did it in a way where she died at the end so that they could write off the loose end.

[00:14:25] I don't know.

[00:14:26] Maybe that just wasn't clear enough to me, but it's, I don't know.

[00:14:30] That seemed kind of a big, you'd have to ask Alex.

[00:14:33] She's the expert on it.

[00:14:35] Um, I mean, according to Alex, it's not canon regardless, but.

[00:14:41] Well, I mean, Oda wrote the script.

[00:14:44] So, I mean, that's up to, up to the watcher's discretion, I suppose.

[00:14:48] Yeah.

[00:14:49] Um, and aside from all that, I rewatched the nineties berserk anime.

[00:14:55] Which.

[00:14:57] I know it's not your cup of tea, but it reminded me how fucking great that story is and what a fucking deep character guts is.

[00:15:04] And now I'm, I've committed myself.

[00:15:07] I can't afford to buy the deluxe editions, but I decided I'm going to start like, you know, every week I'm going to buy another, uh, Kindle volume of the manga because I, like, I went, I looked into it and I realized, cause I read a bunch of berserk.

[00:15:23] I don't know.

[00:15:24] Like years ago.

[00:15:25] Um, but when I actually looked into how much I read, I only read like half of what's available right now.

[00:15:30] Wow.

[00:15:31] And I don't even think that much has come out since.

[00:15:33] So yeah, there's still a lot more.

[00:15:36] Unfortunately, it's, I don't know how it's going to end, but.

[00:15:41] Well, excuse me.

[00:15:44] Apparently he did leave enough, um, information behind for that.

[00:15:51] I think it was his friend who picked it back up for him after he passed.

[00:15:54] But, uh, I, I, I believe there was an, he left enough information behind to get the, at least the broad strokes of what he wanted for the ending.

[00:16:02] It's not going to be exact, obviously.

[00:16:04] And I'm sure the art's going to suffer a little bit because it's not the same person, but, um, it is still going.

[00:16:10] It is, uh, continuing the slower.

[00:16:13] I mean, slowly.

[00:16:17] I don't want to say slower cause mirror was writing it for like 30 years.

[00:16:21] Yeah.

[00:16:23] And it's only just now, I think that there's a volume coming out next month and it's like that volume will, we'll put it at an equal volume count as like the original run of Dragon Ball.

[00:16:34] So.

[00:16:35] Hmm.

[00:16:36] It was definitely a slower pace for, uh, for a manga that's been going for 30 years.

[00:16:41] It has been going about as long as, I mean, no longer than one piece technically.

[00:16:46] Hmm.

[00:16:47] By actually quite a wide margin.

[00:16:49] Like, uh, I think it was like, started like seven years before one piece, something like that.

[00:16:54] True.

[00:16:56] And there's a considerable less number of volumes.

[00:17:00] Oh, there's a fucking machine.

[00:17:02] So.

[00:17:02] Yeah, no shit.

[00:17:04] Um, but yeah, I, I, I'm, I'm determined.

[00:17:07] I'm going to go through it.

[00:17:08] I'm just going to buy a volume a week and just, cause it's such a good story.

[00:17:13] It's, and I just, I need to know what happens.

[00:17:15] And I can't believe I've let, I can't believe I've let it go this long without, without knowing.

[00:17:19] So I, I just got, and I remember, we found out that the fucking, the fan made, uh, adaptation that was going to actually do the series justice, got hit with a cease and desist from studio Gaga.

[00:17:31] So that's not happening anymore, which fucking blows.

[00:17:35] We're never going to get a good fucking adaptation of that.

[00:17:39] Yeah.

[00:17:39] So the only way I'm going to experience it is by reading the manga.

[00:17:42] So that's what I'm going to do.

[00:17:43] Hmm.

[00:17:45] Yeah.

[00:17:46] Uh, speaking of anime, we also recently, um, for those who know, we're part of the super pod network.

[00:17:52] That's super pod network.com.

[00:17:55] Um, me and Matt actually contributed to a recent, uh, blog over on the, uh, the site talking about our favorite anime arcs, um, which was pretty fun.

[00:18:05] Um, I covered the, the legendary wedding dress saga from the original dragon ball.

[00:18:11] I, I covered the garlic junior saga of dragon pussy.

[00:18:14] Funny enough, we both picked filler arcs for dragon ball.

[00:18:17] Yeah.

[00:18:18] The best filler arcs.

[00:18:20] Fair.

[00:18:21] Well, um, it's debatable.

[00:18:24] I, I, I, I really liked the other world tournament.

[00:18:27] True.

[00:18:28] But I mean, I think yours is probably the best filler arc overall for dragon ball.

[00:18:34] Unless you count like the, the, um, the like little, like two episode, like filler bits and super like that little, like chunk of like 10, 15 episodes.

[00:18:47] That's just all filler two parters.

[00:18:49] Like I liked those a lot, but that's not an arc.

[00:18:52] Cause that's just a collection of two partners.

[00:18:54] Yeah.

[00:18:55] It was, um, I don't know.

[00:18:57] It was just fun to write about it.

[00:18:58] Like, uh, I always think back on the wedding dress arc just cause it's like, it perfectly ends off the original dragon ball series.

[00:19:06] It's like a perfect kind of like transition from that disease.

[00:19:09] Um, yeah, it's also, it's also literally the only time she she's like ever been super likable.

[00:19:16] Yeah.

[00:19:17] Like just like throughout the entire thing.

[00:19:19] Like she has her moments in like the later stuff, but like, she's always teetering that line of being like likable and just being like psycho bitch, like in the corner.

[00:19:28] Well, she's a lot, she's a lot chiller in the manga than she is.

[00:19:32] Oh yeah.

[00:19:32] They were like really like amped it up for the anime.

[00:19:34] And then super made it like four times worse for some reason.

[00:19:38] Yeah.

[00:19:39] No kidding.

[00:19:40] Uh, she's like, we will be doing wedding dress.

[00:19:43] So.

[00:19:44] Oh yeah, for sure.

[00:19:45] Um, we will be doing more of these in the future.

[00:19:48] We've already talked about doing, um, like more parts to the, to the anime arcs.

[00:19:53] And I've also thrown out suggestions for other future ones.

[00:19:58] So look forward to those.

[00:20:00] I'm still, uh, I might already be in the process of writing, um, my next, uh, arc or for the blogs.

[00:20:08] I still need to decide which one I want to go with.

[00:20:10] I'll probably just pick one of the one cause the one, the garlic junior one that I did, I, that was like, like a last minute change.

[00:20:17] Like I had a couple other ones in mind and then I was like, you know what?

[00:20:20] People don't talk about garlic junior in a positive way enough.

[00:20:23] So I'm going to do that.

[00:20:25] Yeah.

[00:20:25] Nice.

[00:20:26] And like, I, I know I'm kind of like that dragon ball guy in the network.

[00:20:29] And I was trying to veer away from that when we did the anime arc thing that I was just like, ah, but dragon ball though.

[00:20:37] You know, it's funny though.

[00:20:38] Like when I was trying to pick an arc for that, I was thinking like in any Yasha.

[00:20:42] Cause like everyone knows that's my favorite anime.

[00:20:44] I couldn't, I couldn't think of a singular arc that really stuck out to me.

[00:20:49] Cause like, honestly, the thing doesn't feel like a show with arcs.

[00:20:53] It really does.

[00:20:54] Like an arc show.

[00:20:55] It doesn't.

[00:20:56] That's, that's kind of why I kind of ended up not picking on.

[00:20:59] Cause honestly, any Yasha is one of those series that you kind of just have to watch the whole thing.

[00:21:03] Yeah, it really is.

[00:21:04] Like it's like with dragon ball, you can just kind of like isolate an arc and just watch that on its own.

[00:21:09] And there's plenty of other series like that, you know, like Naruto, one piece, like one piece, especially like.

[00:21:14] Like each individual arc of one piece is like its own, like.

[00:21:19] You know, broad story with like a huge cast of characters for each one.

[00:21:24] It's kind of fucking ridiculous how many characters he comes up with for each arc to the point where it's to the point where it's a little annoying sometimes.

[00:21:32] I mean, cause like, one of the things I really like about Rumiko Takahashi's writing style is she basically her entire, her series are all basically one continuous story.

[00:21:40] Like there isn't really a big, there isn't really any cutoff points.

[00:21:44] Like there is technically arcs in any Yasha, like the band of seven arc, which is like the only one I could think of.

[00:21:50] Yeah, and arguably it's kind of pointless when you really think about it.

[00:21:54] But there's also like the, the Naraku incarnation arc where they, they find out all the different incarnations.

[00:22:02] But that's kind of just part of the main story as it is.

[00:22:07] Yeah.

[00:22:08] Yeah, it's like in Yasha is one of those ones that just doesn't really work with like arcs.

[00:22:12] Yeah.

[00:22:13] And like to, to a degree, I kind of feel like I know Spy Family technically has arcs, but they're so like small.

[00:22:20] It's like kind of hard to call them arcs.

[00:22:22] Yeah.

[00:22:23] The only arc I can really think of in Spy Family that sticks out to me is like the, the cruise ship arc.

[00:22:28] Well, there's a couple others later.

[00:22:31] Yeah.

[00:22:32] Um, but again, like they're so short that it's hard.

[00:22:34] It's you're hard pressed to even call it an arc, you know, even the, even the cruise ship one in the anime was only like what?

[00:22:40] Six, seven episodes.

[00:22:42] Yeah.

[00:22:42] Which to be fair for, for some art animatics is pretty, that's pretty substantial.

[00:22:46] Cause I mean like wedding dress was literally like five, five episodes, I think.

[00:22:51] True.

[00:22:54] But yeah, I know I'm definitely looking forward to writing some more of those in the future.

[00:22:58] Um, I definitely want to write more in general just cause, uh, I I'm, I'm still pretty green.

[00:23:06] Yeah.

[00:23:07] When it comes to that kind of thing.

[00:23:08] So I want to, I want to do it more so I get better at it.

[00:23:12] So I'm going to have to, I'm going to have to go over the game club blog for like a second pass.

[00:23:17] Cause I feel like the way I wrote it was kind of sporadic.

[00:23:19] I hear you.

[00:23:22] I hear you.

[00:23:25] I hear you.

[00:23:25] Um, yes, I guess now moving on, uh, we've waffled enough, uh, during what, what do you think the term that people use these days now?

[00:23:35] Is it waffling?

[00:23:36] Is it riff raffing?

[00:23:40] I can't, I can't even keep up with our generation slang, let alone the new generation.

[00:23:45] Yeah.

[00:23:45] I always call it waffling, but, um, yeah, I think we've, we've gone on enough there.

[00:23:50] We should jump into our topic cause this one very potentially could be pretty substantial.

[00:23:55] We're going to be talking Pokemon again, although we're actually going to be this time.

[00:24:01] We're not talking about the manga.

[00:24:02] We're moving.

[00:24:03] We're taking a break from that for a while.

[00:24:05] Instead.

[00:24:06] We're going to be covering the games kind of in like a general kind of overview of the entire series in a nutshell.

[00:24:14] Yeah.

[00:24:14] I mean, both of us have kind of fallen off past this.

[00:24:17] I think we both fell off at the same point actually.

[00:24:19] Well, um, we have, there's always, so the, the life cycle of a Pokemon fan is like literally this, it's actually a, a, a very common occurrence.

[00:24:29] I've noticed with Pokemon fans where they start at a certain point, they fall off, then they get back into it like twice as hard and then they fall off again.

[00:24:39] And then that's usually the permanent fall off part.

[00:24:42] Yeah.

[00:24:43] Like, cause I know like for a lot of like old, very old school, like people from the beginning, they got into it with obviously with like the original red and blue.

[00:24:53] Then they kind of fell off around like Ruby and Sapphire came back for diamond and Pearl were super into it.

[00:25:01] And then they fell off years later.

[00:25:03] I know for like our generation, I know for me personally, I got into it Ruby and Sapphire fell off sometime after diamond and Pearl.

[00:25:12] Came back and played the hell out of black, white X and Y.

[00:25:15] And then after the Ruby and Sapphire remakes, I infamously played about 20 minutes of sun and moon and put it down.

[00:25:26] And I've just never really gotten into Pokemon ever again.

[00:25:29] That's about right.

[00:25:30] That's that's fairly similar to what mine was.

[00:25:33] I started my actually was my, if I remember correctly, my, my first video game that was mine was Pokemon yellow.

[00:25:41] Uh, I got it for my fifth birthday with a game by color.

[00:25:48] Um, and I, I kind of went through the gauntlet of the game, like the game boy color ones and the game boy ones.

[00:25:53] Like I started with yellow and just by chance, cause adults didn't know, you know, back then.

[00:26:00] So I ended up with blue and red as well.

[00:26:02] And then I got gold.

[00:26:07] And I didn't actually own silver or crystal until like later, but I know I played them.

[00:26:12] I probably just borrowed them from other people.

[00:26:15] Um, see that was kind of the benefit of owning the multiple versions was like Pokemon infamous.

[00:26:21] I think it's still infamously to this day.

[00:26:23] You can only have one save file or cartridge.

[00:26:29] It's technically yes, but now that Pokemon is on switch and you can just have multiple profiles on switch that kind of does away with that.

[00:26:38] But it's still kind of a pain in the ass.

[00:26:41] True.

[00:26:42] But I mean like switches super, I like the way switch does like the whole profile situation.

[00:26:47] Cause there's one thing every time I boot up the Xbox, like when I was, um, streaming fable and stuff, every time I would boot up the Xbox, it would automatically sign into Xander's profile.

[00:26:57] And it was so annoying to me because I'd have to back, I had to sign them out and then switch over to mine and where I like those way switch does it where you don't sign into a profile.

[00:27:06] Like, I mean, technically you're, you're signed into a specific profile when you turn it on.

[00:27:12] But whenever you select the game, it asks you which profile you want to play it under.

[00:27:16] And I like the way that that works.

[00:27:18] Yeah.

[00:27:18] Um, but yeah, I, I think my, my first fall off point for Pokemon, uh, was a heart goals.

[00:27:28] I played heart gold and then I was like, all right, I've done with Pokemon for a while.

[00:27:32] And then I don't think I picked it back up until X and Y.

[00:27:35] I kind of leapfrogged straight.

[00:27:37] I still to this day haven't played the original black and white.

[00:27:40] You're missing out too, man.

[00:27:42] I know.

[00:27:42] I see at this point, it's like, I know that I, out of all the Pokemon games, like that, those are the ones I need to play.

[00:27:49] Uh, but it's the same argument I give to my stepson whenever he tells me to play like Scarlet and Violet and stuff.

[00:27:57] It just, at this point, I've played so much Pokemon throughout my life and missed so many other great JRPGs over the years that I would just rather play one of the ones I haven't played rather than playing in a Pokemon game.

[00:28:07] Yeah.

[00:28:09] It's, it's really interesting to me because Pokemon really is, it's like baby's first RPG in a lot of ways.

[00:28:16] It was the only RPG I played for a very long time until just a few years ago.

[00:28:21] See, I had the benefit of playing Final Fantasy eight, um, very, very young.

[00:28:26] Um, so I was always indoctrinated to RPGs being these confusing, complicated messes, but, um, Pokemon was always like a weird, a weird thing.

[00:28:37] Weird one.

[00:28:38] Cause like the whole like Pokemania thing was a real thing.

[00:28:42] Like I, you ever seen the meme of like, it's like, it shows like your childhood and like everybody's playing Pokemon.

[00:28:50] And then it goes to like, it goes to high school and it's like the one kid is playing Pokemon and everyone's like making fun of him for playing Pokemon.

[00:28:57] And then you get to college and everyone's playing Pokemon again.

[00:29:00] Yeah.

[00:29:01] Well, it was like we said, it's, that's the life cycle of the, of the Pokemon fan.

[00:29:04] Yeah.

[00:29:05] I mean that, that isn't a hard and fast rule.

[00:29:08] Uh, my friend, Steve, who you've met on several occasions, uh, he is still super huge in a Pokemon.

[00:29:13] He, he buys every game that comes out.

[00:29:16] In fact, every version of every game, like when Scarlett Bala came out, he bought both of them.

[00:29:21] Like he does that with everyone.

[00:29:23] Um, so I mean, some, some people stick with it and I can understand why, but I'm just at a point right now where like, I want a little bit more substance in the games that I play.

[00:29:39] Um, like I, you know, I, I, like when I played Chrono Trigger this year, like that was such a fun experience.

[00:29:47] And like, I've never had like that kind of experience with a Pokemon story before.

[00:29:51] It's amazing that a game that was made in like 1995 has so much more substance than a modern game that just came out for the switch that barely functions.

[00:30:02] Yeah.

[00:30:02] Um, so this will be my first of many digs at Game Freak, by the way.

[00:30:08] So get ready for that guys.

[00:30:09] Um, so your first Pokemon game was Emerald, correct?

[00:30:14] Not Emerald technically.

[00:30:15] It was Sapphire originally.

[00:30:17] And then I got Emerald when that came out.

[00:30:20] How long did it take you to double back to the older Pokemon games?

[00:30:25] So.

[00:30:27] Well, actually probably farther than you think, because it wasn't back in the day, it wasn't easy finding those older games.

[00:30:33] Um, so my first time experience playing, uh, Gen one was actually FireRed, LeafGreen.

[00:30:40] Okay.

[00:30:42] And that makes sense.

[00:30:43] Cause that, that, you know, that those games were like really big when they first came out, like having the redone version of Gen one.

[00:30:50] Well, it, it also was a case of like, back when you were a kid, you don't appreciate, I mean, to be fair, 8-bit graphics are kind of ugly in general.

[00:30:57] Like even by today's standards.

[00:30:59] And there's a charming aspect to it though.

[00:31:02] There is a charming aspect to it.

[00:31:03] Although let's face it, red and blue are broken as fuck games.

[00:31:07] Oh, for sure.

[00:31:08] Which is hilarious.

[00:31:10] Tentacruel is my main in the old red and blue.

[00:31:14] Which is hilarious too.

[00:31:15] When you consider the fact that our red and blue is based off of Jap, Japan's blue version, which was the fixed version of their red and green.

[00:31:24] It's like the version we got was the fixed version and it's still broken.

[00:31:29] Mm-hmm.

[00:31:30] And then yellow was an even further update that was still kind of broken.

[00:31:35] See, I loved playing yellow when I was a kid.

[00:31:38] Like that, I loved that.

[00:31:39] That was my first Pokemon game.

[00:31:41] And that I feel like was the perfect one for me because I mean, I got into Pokemon because of the cards and the, and the, the anime.

[00:31:49] Which I gotta say, like when I actually got the game, there was a level of disappointment.

[00:31:54] Because like, you know, I'm watching the cartoon and looking at the cards, like the designs and the art is so fun as a kid.

[00:32:00] And then you play, you play yellow and you're like, what the fuck is this garbled bullshit?

[00:32:06] Which is hilarious.

[00:32:07] This is not the cute animal I've come to love.

[00:32:09] The best part is though, yellow, they redrew all the sprites a second time.

[00:32:13] So they look better that like original Japanese red and green.

[00:32:16] Those sprites are some of the fugliest sprites I've ever seen.

[00:32:19] Oh, for sure.

[00:32:21] For sure.

[00:32:23] Uh, I still remember like, uh, whenever I play red and blue, I always, cause I always pick the grass types.

[00:32:29] I have, uh, I always have a Venusaur fucking razor leaf criticals every time.

[00:32:34] It's, it's amazing.

[00:32:35] Yeah, for sure.

[00:32:38] Yeah.

[00:32:39] I, I always went for the fire types.

[00:32:41] Uh, whenever I'd start, like if it was the first time I played like this, like a particular Pokemon game, I always played the fire type first and then I would measure up with other stuff.

[00:32:52] Like, so you had a rough time in, uh, one in, Oh, well no.

[00:32:57] Cause I played yellow.

[00:32:58] What?

[00:32:58] I mean, yeah, technically.

[00:32:59] Yeah.

[00:32:59] It was a rough time.

[00:33:01] So I had Pikachu, but.

[00:33:03] I can, you know what?

[00:33:03] I can't, you know what?

[00:33:05] The one yellow is to me, arguably the best version of like the original games and pretty much every way.

[00:33:10] Oh, my only thing I dislike about that game is the fact that you can't evolve Pikachu.

[00:33:18] Uh, there is a way to do it.

[00:33:20] It's just, you need, there's a way to do it, but it's not easy.

[00:33:24] You just got to trade it.

[00:33:27] You trade it to a buddy, they evolve it and then trade it back.

[00:33:29] And then it's a right.

[00:33:31] True.

[00:33:32] The only thing is though, like back in the day, especially with link cables, it was a lot harder to find friends to trade with than I thought.

[00:33:41] I still have my old link cable too.

[00:33:44] I think I have a link cable somewhere.

[00:33:47] I remember being like so confused about that, like when I was a kid, cause, uh, I was a sad kid who didn't have many friends until like third grade, fourth grade, something like that.

[00:33:58] Uh, so playing Pokemon back in the day, like I would, I'd go to the Pokemon center and I'm like, what's this counter on the other side of the healing center?

[00:34:07] Like he keeps saying like, what, what is this like link stuff that I have?

[00:34:12] What does this mean?

[00:34:13] Why am I barred from this?

[00:34:14] I don't know what this is.

[00:34:16] It took me forever to find out what that actually was.

[00:34:19] See, I, I just have inherent trust issues.

[00:34:22] Cause the first time I did a trip, like a trade on, um, uh, a trade with like a link cable, the guy who I traded with ran off of my, uh, my Gengar and I never got it back or my Haunter, I should say.

[00:34:34] Yeah.

[00:34:37] So I just, I always, I always had inherent trust issues with doing trade evolutions.

[00:34:40] Cause I was like, I just run away.

[00:34:43] Well, not even that, not even just that either is because in the old Pokemon games, um, to anyone, any, uh, any kids out there who don't know, um, you couldn't tell what Pokemon it actually was because the little sprite that would be next to its name would just be like a basic sprite for like the type of Pokemon.

[00:35:04] Like there'd be like a group of Pokemon that would fall under one specific sprite and nicknaming a Pokemon.

[00:35:14] Like there's no way to tell what Pokemon it actually is.

[00:35:17] So there's tons of people who would just nickname their Pokemon YouTube and then they'd send it to you and it's a fucking Spearow.

[00:35:24] Yep.

[00:35:25] Or like my favorite.

[00:35:27] Or like an Abra or something.

[00:35:28] Like.

[00:35:29] Hmm.

[00:35:29] Or even in the later games when you trade something and then they'd like sneak an Everstone in and trade it back to you just to be a dick hole.

[00:35:36] Yeah.

[00:35:38] Yeah.

[00:35:39] Yeah.

[00:35:39] Like that one fucking bitch in Gen 4.

[00:35:43] Yeah.

[00:35:44] They actually made a character.

[00:35:46] That was the biggest fucking kick in the dick back in the day.

[00:35:50] It's just, oh, this person is going to trade me a Haunter.

[00:35:53] Awesome.

[00:35:53] I'll just have a Gengar right up the bat.

[00:35:55] Nope.

[00:35:56] Nope.

[00:35:57] Not going to happen.

[00:35:59] Yeah.

[00:36:00] Nah, it's one of those.

[00:36:03] It's one of those things that's just like.

[00:36:06] Pokemon was supposed to be like a thing that that was supposed to bring people together, but I swear it just made people like distrust people and be paranoid as fuck.

[00:36:17] Yep.

[00:36:18] Did you ever do a like cable battle?

[00:36:22] Um, occasionally it wasn't very often.

[00:36:25] I remember doing cable.

[00:36:26] Well, ironically, I didn't use the link cable very much until I was an adult and I had like my little group of friends and we were, we all got game boys.

[00:36:34] We all got OG Pokemon games and we worked together to actually catch them all for the first time.

[00:36:38] And it was, that was a fun experience as an adult.

[00:36:41] See, I remember as a kid doing a link cable battle for the first time way back in the day.

[00:36:48] And I remember just how slow it was.

[00:36:50] Like it was.

[00:36:51] Oh yeah.

[00:36:52] Almost unbearably slow.

[00:36:55] For sure.

[00:36:55] I mean, it was great once, uh, once, um, the, the virtual console for 3DS.

[00:37:02] Like when we got those versions and, and played, I guess, each other with that, like that was a lot more convenient to say the least.

[00:37:12] And it was quicker.

[00:37:14] Hmm.

[00:37:15] I know that for sure.

[00:37:19] So trying to think where to go from here.

[00:37:23] So obviously like, I think we had most of our experiences with like Gen three games.

[00:37:30] I think, uh, as far as like, uh, childhood.

[00:37:33] Yeah.

[00:37:33] I'd say we probably spent the majority of the time on the GBA games, the, the Gen three and the Gen one remakes.

[00:37:40] Um, just because like, that was like, um, that was like, um, that was very current when we were at that like prime age.

[00:37:50] Um, and especially with, uh, the, the, the Gen one remakes, where if you got that brand new, not used, it came with that little attachment that you can put onto your GBA.

[00:38:03] Where you could wirelessly do battles and trades and stuff, which was really nice.

[00:38:11] I remember that, that classic, uh, feeling.

[00:38:15] Um, yeah.

[00:38:16] Gen three novel thing at the time.

[00:38:19] Yeah.

[00:38:19] Gen three was such a unique time.

[00:38:23] Like, it's actually funny because Gen three was specifically a Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald, and then like fire, red, leaf, green.

[00:38:31] Um, I always inherently like for the longest time, the Gen two starters were like the biggest, like mystique for me as like a Pokemon fan, because I had missed those games entirely.

[00:38:44] So they were like, I feel like you were kind of lucky in that respect because of me starting with the original Game boy and then go into game boy.

[00:38:52] Like, well, like obviously I had a game by color the whole time, but I started with the, the OG game boy games.

[00:38:58] And then I went over to the game by color games, the gold and silver crystal.

[00:39:02] And it was like, Oh, I can, I can send Pokemon from my gen one games over to my gen two games.

[00:39:07] And that was fantastic.

[00:39:08] Like that was a great thing.

[00:39:10] And then when gen three came out, I was like, Oh great.

[00:39:12] I got all these Pokemon.

[00:39:12] I can fucking send forward.

[00:39:14] Nope.

[00:39:14] No fucking communication between the two.

[00:39:17] You cannot send anything from gen one or gen two to gen three.

[00:39:20] And I was so fucking frustrated by that.

[00:39:23] The only way you could get your gen two Pokemon in gen three was you had to play Pokemon Coliseum.

[00:39:29] And Oh my God, that is, you guys want a miserable experience.

[00:39:32] Play Pokemon Coliseum.

[00:39:33] That's that's all I'll say.

[00:39:35] I still have that game.

[00:39:37] I do too.

[00:39:38] It's a hundred dollar game.

[00:39:39] Now it was one of the few game, like yeah, GameCube games I had, and it's been passed on to Xander now.

[00:39:45] I don't think he's played very much of it at all, but I mean, let's be real.

[00:39:49] It's not a very good game.

[00:39:51] No, it's not.

[00:39:52] It's it's probably one of the shittiest Pokemon games I've ever played.

[00:39:55] The concept of it was great, but it's a cool.

[00:39:58] I'm not having not having wild Pokemon kind of really killed it.

[00:40:02] Also making everything just arbitrarily a double battle is not fun.

[00:40:07] Well, see, I could have dealt with that.

[00:40:09] It was the fact that you can't grind and you have to be able to grind in Pokemon games.

[00:40:14] Hmm.

[00:40:15] Then like you the poke you couldn't like you had to like you couldn't reliably get Pokemon because of the shadow Pokemon mechanic in that game, which.

[00:40:23] And yeah, the few instances where you would have to grind against trainers, which you couldn't re battle, by the way.

[00:40:30] Hmm.

[00:40:31] You couldn't even level up the Pokemon until you purify them and you had to be like X amount of Pokemon before you could purify them.

[00:40:38] And then they'd start gaining levels.

[00:40:40] So like you had to use up all your limited resources just to get to the point where they can level up.

[00:40:45] It was a whole fucking convoluted mess.

[00:40:48] And I despised it.

[00:40:49] I hated the fact that it was like that was like the first real Pokemon style game on a console.

[00:40:55] That like was an actual game, not just a battle simulation like call it like a stadium was.

[00:41:02] Yeah.

[00:41:03] And I had more fun with stadium, honestly.

[00:41:05] Stadium at least with stadium, you could play the OG games on the TV if you had the adapter.

[00:41:11] Hmm.

[00:41:13] Then the stadium at least like functioned and like made sense.

[00:41:16] Yeah.

[00:41:16] Policium.

[00:41:17] It was just such a convoluted mess.

[00:41:19] And then they didn't fix anything in XT either.

[00:41:23] I didn't even play that one.

[00:41:24] It's the same shit just slightly.

[00:41:26] They fixed some things, but for the most part, it's still a boring slog.

[00:41:31] That's about right.

[00:41:31] And then they didn't even bother with battle revolution on the Wii because that was like somehow like an even less interesting stadium.

[00:41:41] Jeez.

[00:41:43] Oh, man.

[00:41:44] So, yeah.

[00:41:47] Yeah, I definitely say that the Gen three games and the Gen one remakes were where I think like peak Pokemon during our childhood and the still because there was so many.

[00:41:58] There was so many quality of life improvements in those like not having to switch your box and save to access different like being able to just shift through your boxes with your storage of Pokemon and.

[00:42:11] Oh, yeah.

[00:42:12] Do whatever you need to do in there.

[00:42:14] Oh, yeah.

[00:42:14] Like that was so much easier, especially because like, as I mentioned before with the whole nicknaming thing that didn't just apply to trades that applied to looking at things in the box.

[00:42:23] So like.

[00:42:24] So like.

[00:42:25] If you nicknamed your Pokemon something, you had no fucking clue what it was until you took it out.

[00:42:30] Hmm.

[00:42:32] So that was annoying.

[00:42:34] Yeah.

[00:42:35] To me, like the big appeal to Gen three in a lot of ways, too, is just the overall performance.

[00:42:41] Like the it's got arguably the best like battle mechanics in any game before and after.

[00:42:48] Like it's so fast paced and like super like easy, like the battles move quickly.

[00:42:54] Everything makes sense.

[00:42:55] The menus are like super snappy.

[00:42:58] Like it's just like one of those games that's super fun to play.

[00:43:02] And I love the music in the Gen three and fire, red, leaf, green, ruby, sapphire and emerald.

[00:43:07] Personally, though, like I feel like the Gen four games where I was like when Pokemon really started to make a lot of the best changes.

[00:43:17] They I'd say with platinum on just because diamond and pearl trying to go back to those games, they are so slow.

[00:43:25] I couldn't tell you the last time I actually played one of the like I had pearl at first and then eventually I got platinum and then I lost pearl somewhere along the way.

[00:43:31] But I still have my platinum and that's the one I generally go back to.

[00:43:35] So like the the Gen four initial engine was kind of rough, like it's very slow.

[00:43:42] It doesn't it kind of stutters a bit.

[00:43:44] It's not as snappy as like Gen three was.

[00:43:47] They fixed it up a little bit for heart, gold and soul silver.

[00:43:50] And then platinum is probably the most refined version of that.

[00:43:54] But style.

[00:43:56] I gotcha.

[00:43:58] I remember excuse me, I remember a diamond and pearl like the hype for diamond and pearl being pretty high.

[00:44:07] I was excited for it.

[00:44:10] I just remember because the DS was such a big thing at the time.

[00:44:15] I remember like the seeing the screenshots and like seeing like the little faux 3D like throughout the game, like with like the Pokemon centers and everything being like kind of 3D.

[00:44:25] Yeah, I remember that being kind of cool.

[00:44:28] Yeah, added some depth to it.

[00:44:30] And then when the Gen two remakes came out, like that was it.

[00:44:33] That I mean, heart gold is still my favorite Pokemon game of all time.

[00:44:37] Like heart gold.

[00:44:37] And I know.

[00:44:38] I know it has its problems and it like it has some like aging problems.

[00:44:45] I know a lot of people tend to not like the way like the old school XP share works and stuff like that.

[00:44:51] But like, I don't know, it's just heart gold.

[00:44:53] Soul silver to me is just like peak Pokemon.

[00:44:56] We've really been spoiled by like the current like from Gen six on XP share where you it's basically just like it plays the game for you at this point.

[00:45:07] Pretty much, especially like like getting XP from catching Pokemon.

[00:45:13] That was a huge change.

[00:45:16] Hmm.

[00:45:17] I still remember to also like the the dis the kind of like dis emphasis put on HMs because like HMs for the longest time where they were run killers in a lot of ways, because if you didn't want to have an HM like an HM.

[00:45:36] I'm a bitch, as I like to call them back in the day where you'd catch that one shitty Pokemon and just give it all the HMs so that you wouldn't have to put it on your main team.

[00:45:45] What was your go to HM slave?

[00:45:50] Whatever I could find.

[00:45:51] And then I just once I was done with it, I just throw it away.

[00:45:54] Fair.

[00:45:56] Gen three, Lenune Lenune was a good HM slave.

[00:46:00] You learn most of them.

[00:46:02] See, it's funny because certain HMs I would keep on Pokemon like like all the water ones are pretty good.

[00:46:06] Pretty useful like surf is incredibly useful.

[00:46:09] Yes, sir.

[00:46:10] Surf is a solid water type move waterfall is basically the same thing, but physical at least from Gen four onward.

[00:46:17] Oh, that was the other.

[00:46:19] That was the big thing with Gen four is that this special physical split because back in the day for Gen one through three.

[00:46:28] Whether a move was physical or special depended entirely on the type.

[00:46:32] Mm hmm.

[00:46:34] Um, whereas from Gen four onward, uh, it would depend on the move itself.

[00:46:37] Like for instance,

[00:46:40] Um, say like the, the elemental punch moves.

[00:46:46] There was a reason why Hitmonchan sucked in the first three Gens.

[00:46:49] And that was because all the element, all the element punches were special based.

[00:46:53] Whereas in from Gen four onward, because their punch moves, they are physical, even though they have the element element to them.

[00:47:03] Yeah, I always remember that.

[00:47:05] Um, another one that was super useful to me was like fly fly was always pretty good.

[00:47:11] Yep.

[00:47:12] Uh, fly was good.

[00:47:13] And then, uh, strength was surprisingly useful.

[00:47:15] Yeah, especially if he gave it to like a Snorlax.

[00:47:18] Hmm.

[00:47:19] You know, it's like a good physical attacker that's also a normal type like strength is solid.

[00:47:25] Yeah.

[00:47:26] I know.

[00:47:28] I'm trying to think of the other like rock smash was pretty meh.

[00:47:31] Like so sometimes it was okay.

[00:47:32] Other times not really.

[00:47:34] Uh, key fog was bullshit.

[00:47:36] He fog is the dumbest HM ever.

[00:47:38] I'm glad they did away with that after one game.

[00:47:41] Yep.

[00:47:42] Um, dive was kind of fun because it was basically dive was just another version of dig.

[00:47:48] Only in water.

[00:47:50] Basically.

[00:47:51] Rock climb was fine.

[00:47:54] Cut wasn't great.

[00:47:57] But depending on like, for instance, there's, um, I forget what the ability is called, but there is an ability that a Pokemon like Scyther can have.

[00:48:06] Where, uh, if a move does like 60 damage or less, it gets like a, like a 50% boost to power.

[00:48:15] Hmm.

[00:48:15] So like cut was actually decent with Pokemon like that.

[00:48:19] Cut to me was always a great, like, um, early game.

[00:48:23] You need a quick move just to like kind of bash out there.

[00:48:26] Like, it's really good for like, say like when you get one of those bullshit, like the enemy has like that little tiny piece of X feet of, uh, of health left and you just need a quick attack to get out.

[00:48:37] So it's good for a catch move too.

[00:48:41] Yeah, that's true.

[00:48:42] If you need to just kind of like not do too much damage.

[00:48:45] I know occasionally like you'd have, you get later in later game, you'd get like the, the goddamn infinite cycle of like, you almost kill it and then full restore almost kill it full restore.

[00:48:56] It's like, God damn it.

[00:48:57] Fucking Cynthia.

[00:49:02] Actually, let's, uh, let's do a little diversion.

[00:49:04] Who do you think was the best champion?

[00:49:07] Uh, it, in terms of like, who was like the most difficult to be like, who was the strongest or who was just the best?

[00:49:16] Like, as a person.

[00:49:18] Let's do, uh, let's split this question in half.

[00:49:21] Like which one gave you the most shit, but then which one's also your favorite?

[00:49:30] I don't know.

[00:49:31] Cause I mean, when I was a kid, it was, it was always hard to beat blue.

[00:49:34] Lance was stupid.

[00:49:36] Like, yeah, he went from a lead four to champion.

[00:49:38] Like he was like the default champion.

[00:49:40] He was the champion because the champion dipped.

[00:49:43] Yeah.

[00:49:43] The real, the real final battle in that game is red.

[00:49:47] Yeah.

[00:49:48] Um, so, I mean, I don't even count him as a champion, even though I'm not going to be a champion.

[00:49:51] No, he technically is one.

[00:49:53] Uh, I liked, I liked Steven stone.

[00:49:56] There's a champion.

[00:49:57] It's a fucking dope name.

[00:50:00] Yeah.

[00:50:00] So I like, he uses metal types, which is awesome.

[00:50:03] Yeah.

[00:50:04] Or steel.

[00:50:05] Steven's cool.

[00:50:06] Uh, although it's weird because isn't, um, isn't the water guy, the champion and emerald

[00:50:10] is.

[00:50:11] And it makes that if you chose fucking septile, the champions fucking easy as fuck.

[00:50:16] Well, even if you don't like, cause you, you'll always have something, especially in

[00:50:21] Gen three, you have something for water types because the game's made complaint.

[00:50:26] Water.

[00:50:26] The main complaint people have about Gen three is it's too much water.

[00:50:29] So it's not that bad.

[00:50:31] People are just revisionist history bullshit.

[00:50:33] Like always.

[00:50:34] Yeah.

[00:50:35] Well, that's the thing is I don't know why people made such a big deal about that.

[00:50:38] Cause there was always a lot of water in every Pokemon game.

[00:50:41] Doesn't matter.

[00:50:42] Cause the big complaint I always get is they're always like, Oh, cause you go five feet and

[00:50:45] then random battle.

[00:50:46] And I'm like, I'm like, just get some damn propels.

[00:50:49] Then you're using them in the grass already.

[00:50:51] Like what's the difference?

[00:50:52] That's like complaining.

[00:50:53] That's like complaining.

[00:50:54] There's too many bugs in the starter area.

[00:50:55] Like, of course there's bugs in the starter area.

[00:50:57] Those are starter Pokemon.

[00:50:59] Duh.

[00:51:01] No matter, no matter what game you're playing, there's going to be water portions of the

[00:51:05] game.

[00:51:06] And if they're all supposed to be based off of different parts of the real world, obviously

[00:51:09] some of them are going to be more water based.

[00:51:12] There's always portions of Pokemon.

[00:51:13] Like, I mean, I'm guilty of this too, cause I hate sun and moon, but that just irrationally

[00:51:18] hate certain entries.

[00:51:19] Like I know a lot of the people that started with like red and blue.

[00:51:22] Don't like gen three for some reason.

[00:51:24] I know a lot of like people who were really big into gold and silver can't stand diamond

[00:51:29] and pearl.

[00:51:31] Diamond and pearl got a lot like gen four in general, got a lot of hate back in the day.

[00:51:34] And I, I loved gen four.

[00:51:36] And like, I guess I get some of the hate.

[00:51:40] Like I understand like the performance is kind of off on those first couple of games.

[00:51:45] Well, I get on diamond and pearl themselves.

[00:51:47] Um, the region is a little weird to travel at first.

[00:51:52] It's the definitely the most Metroidvania ish I'd say out of all the regions is Jen, the

[00:51:57] Sino region.

[00:51:58] Yeah, that's fair.

[00:52:02] Um, I also thought I like him now, but I thought there, he was kind of a lame rival at first.

[00:52:10] Yeah.

[00:52:11] I don't know.

[00:52:12] I, I never particularly disliked him.

[00:52:14] He was like super spazzy.

[00:52:17] I named him crackhead on my first playthrough.

[00:52:21] Well, see the hair I named him Goku and my first playthrough.

[00:52:25] See, like I was, I was an immature fuck.

[00:52:28] So like, I would always name them like the dumbest things.

[00:52:30] Like, um, Barry was always like crackhead or like meth head or something because that's

[00:52:36] just, he's wicked.

[00:52:39] He's very likable in the manga.

[00:52:40] I can see that much.

[00:52:41] Yes.

[00:52:41] He is a little bit.

[00:52:42] I've read so far.

[00:52:44] I used to always name blue.

[00:52:45] Uh, I don't seem blue jerk off whenever he'd appear.

[00:52:49] Yeah.

[00:52:50] Um, smell you later.

[00:52:54] Like I used to name like silver asshole just because he was.

[00:53:00] Yeah.

[00:53:02] I, I don't know.

[00:53:03] I, I like silver more now that I know like his deal as a character, but that's the thing

[00:53:09] with Pokemon games is like, there's really not a whole lot of like development with characters.

[00:53:16] No, not until black and white black and white was really the first one that well, golden

[00:53:20] silver, Mark golden soul.

[00:53:22] So if you're had it to a degree, cause there is at the time, Gen two was definitely the

[00:53:27] most story heavy, like cause Ruby and Sapphire does have story, but it's, you have to really

[00:53:34] care about it to truly, uh, get anything out of it.

[00:53:39] And then diamond and pearl.

[00:53:41] Yeah.

[00:53:42] All right.

[00:53:42] I was going to say in the diamond for similar, it has a story, but you really have to care

[00:53:46] to get anything out of it.

[00:53:48] Well, I, I feel like Gen four was the first like real attempt to have like a lore building

[00:53:55] story.

[00:53:57] Like it really like went into like the, the creation of the universe and.

[00:54:01] Oh yeah.

[00:54:02] Straight up.

[00:54:03] You can catch God.

[00:54:05] Yeah.

[00:54:06] Um, the Gen four, I feel like was their first real attempt to be like, okay, we're going

[00:54:10] to try to make like an actual JRPG ass story.

[00:54:14] And then they, and then they worked out right.

[00:54:19] And then they went black and white and legit made a JRPG story.

[00:54:25] Yeah.

[00:54:25] That's why I feel like, I mean, since like Gen six is like my cutoff point, I mean, technically

[00:54:31] with the Gen three remake and I did play the Gen four remake and I, I enjoyed it for what it

[00:54:35] was.

[00:54:37] They didn't add a ton.

[00:54:38] There was some like quality of life improvements and stuff that I appreciated, but I mean, I

[00:54:43] definitely wanted more out of the Gen four remake.

[00:54:46] I wanted it to be more like the Gen three remake.

[00:54:48] Yeah.

[00:54:49] Or even the Gen two remake, like the Gen two remake added a bunch of great stuff.

[00:54:54] Heart.

[00:54:54] So heart, gold, soul, silver.

[00:54:55] That is like a perfect remake that actually like, like faithful adaption, I should say.

[00:55:00] Um, cause, uh, arguably Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire are like reimaginings more than just a

[00:55:06] straight up remake.

[00:55:08] True.

[00:55:13] Let's see.

[00:55:13] So we've, we've covered a, we've kind of jumped around a little bit.

[00:55:16] Um, cause we were talking about, uh, HMs there for a bit and then we talked about, oh

[00:55:24] yeah.

[00:55:24] Who's so we were talking about the, the, uh, the champions.

[00:55:29] Oh, right.

[00:55:30] Um, I don't know.

[00:55:34] I mean, I definitely, in a lot of ways I like Cynthia.

[00:55:37] I like Cynthia as a champion.

[00:55:38] She gave me the most shit.

[00:55:40] I think.

[00:55:41] Oh, for sure.

[00:55:41] She's definitely one of the most difficult ones.

[00:55:43] Um, but I also just like her as a character too, because she's like pretty significantly

[00:55:49] involved in the story of that game.

[00:55:52] Uh, you beat her grandmother before you even fight her, which is weird.

[00:55:56] But I mean, I guess it's not that weird because technically the first person you meet in the

[00:56:00] first game is your, the champions grandfather.

[00:56:03] So.

[00:56:05] Yeah.

[00:56:05] It's so weird that blues can technically a champion when like, it's like, I like the idea

[00:56:12] of the rival being the champion, but I did enjoy that.

[00:56:15] They didn't make that the go-to thing with every game.

[00:56:17] Honestly, I thought it was a little disappointing that they didn't ever really do that again.

[00:56:22] To my knowledge.

[00:56:23] I don't think anyone would have ever topped blue.

[00:56:25] To be honest.

[00:56:27] Yeah.

[00:56:27] It's debatable.

[00:56:28] I don't think I, I just don't think I would have ever taken.

[00:56:31] Uh, Barry serious as a champion.

[00:56:34] Well, not Barry at least maybe, um, maybe Don.

[00:56:40] Don doesn't do anything in the game though.

[00:56:42] Yeah.

[00:56:42] I was really disappointed by that in jet four that she wasn't really like, or if you were

[00:56:46] the girl or whatever the guy character's name is like this.

[00:56:50] Yeah.

[00:56:51] They just don't really do any, like they were supposed to be like the de facto second ride

[00:56:55] rival, but they didn't really do much.

[00:56:57] They, they legit.

[00:56:58] They don't like, it's not like, um, Ruby and Sapphire where ironically, like Brandon

[00:57:03] and may are arguably more of the main rival than Wally who tries.

[00:57:11] Yeah.

[00:57:11] But again, in that one, like neither of them make it that far.

[00:57:14] Like I think you fight Wally right before you enter the elite four, but like, I mean,

[00:57:20] I'll give Wally credit.

[00:57:21] He's got a pretty cool team when you face them there.

[00:57:24] True.

[00:57:26] Uh, by then you're fucking overpowered as fuck and you wipe them out in one shot, but.

[00:57:31] And I don't even remember what the champion of gen six was about.

[00:57:34] I don't even remember his name or her name.

[00:57:37] I don't even remember.

[00:57:38] I remember nothing.

[00:57:41] Holy fuck.

[00:57:42] You're right.

[00:57:43] I don't remember.

[00:57:44] So it wasn't very impactful.

[00:57:45] I can say that very much.

[00:57:46] I can say that much.

[00:57:47] It wasn't the seat full of the slightest.

[00:57:49] It's about as impactful as team flair was.

[00:57:52] What fashion.

[00:57:57] Oh, but also random giant man walking around and then he got his Pokemon back at the end.

[00:58:04] Yeah.

[00:58:06] Jen.

[00:58:06] I mean, I like the story for gen six, like with, with the whole, like the immortal guy

[00:58:11] and his Pokemon and everything that was, that was kind of fun.

[00:58:14] But Jen, let's talk about gen six for gen six is literally X and Y.

[00:58:20] That is literally the perfect example of like, bro, every idea we have at the wall and see

[00:58:27] what sticks.

[00:58:29] And the irony is something that's the things that stuck.

[00:58:32] They didn't stick with.

[00:58:34] No, not at all.

[00:58:36] Um, gen six also has some of the weirdest fucking pacing in a Pokemon game I've ever seen.

[00:58:43] Yeah.

[00:58:44] Cause it wasn't it like a thing where like, you could kind of choose which path you wanted

[00:58:47] to take.

[00:58:48] Like there was like, like once you got to a certain point, it was like, you take the

[00:58:51] right path and the left path and that would take you on a different course.

[00:58:55] Yes.

[00:58:55] But it was still weird how they did it.

[00:58:58] Cause like you face off against the first gym pretty quickly in the, into the game.

[00:59:04] And then there's a huge gap between the first gym and the second gym.

[00:59:08] But then right after you finished the second gym, it's like you get like three gyms in

[00:59:11] a row.

[00:59:12] Like right after that, it's like a weird, like weird way they did that.

[00:59:18] Yeah.

[00:59:20] Um, and they just like, they just hand you up.

[00:59:24] I think that was the, the, the start of like the handholdy thing.

[00:59:27] Like it wasn't too bad in X and Y.

[00:59:29] Well, X and Y.

[00:59:31] But they didn't start that.

[00:59:32] X and Y did a cool thing where like, rather than the one rival, they gave you like five rivals.

[00:59:37] Yeah.

[00:59:39] Uh, only like two of them really matter, but it was a cool idea.

[00:59:43] Cause you have like the strong rival, the somewhat weak rival, the rival that doesn't do shit.

[00:59:49] Uh, cause I always remember too, like the first dungeon in X and Y, you literally one

[00:59:55] of the arrivals follows you the entire way through and they literally act as a portable

[00:59:59] Pokemon center and you can just reheal at whatever you want.

[01:00:02] Yeah.

[01:00:03] Gen four, I think started that trend.

[01:00:05] Like there were just certain points throughout Gen four where somebody would

[01:00:08] just be like, Hey, let me tag along through this dungeon and I'll heal your Pokemon after every battle.

[01:00:14] Yeah.

[01:00:18] Um, I did like that.

[01:00:19] I just got gifted a Lucario in X and Y though.

[01:00:22] That was fun.

[01:00:23] Yeah.

[01:00:23] Then also like you, you pick your starter and then it's like, Oh yeah, by the way, here's

[01:00:28] a Gen one starter just for free.

[01:00:31] Yeah.

[01:00:31] That was also rather nice.

[01:00:33] It was like, Jesus Christ.

[01:00:34] But at the same time, it's like, do I really want two starters and a Lucario?

[01:00:37] Like that's kind of cheating.

[01:00:40] Yeah.

[01:00:40] And I think that was like, huh?

[01:00:42] It's not cheating.

[01:00:43] If the game flat out gives it like forces you to take them.

[01:00:47] I know.

[01:00:47] But like that, that was like the, I mean, X and Y had enough to keep me occupied.

[01:00:51] And that was like probably the one Pokemon game that I spent the most time in a single file on, but.

[01:00:57] Same, which is weird.

[01:00:58] I remember barely anything from it.

[01:01:01] Well, that's the thing is I like went through like the story and all that.

[01:01:04] And then like all the rest of it was just spent.

[01:01:08] Building teams.

[01:01:09] And because this was the point where like I had my like little group and we were all playing X and Y.

[01:01:16] And we're all playing around with different Megas and we were doing the Battle Frontier stuff.

[01:01:20] And.

[01:01:21] And.

[01:01:22] You know where I spent.

[01:01:23] We were working on.

[01:01:24] We were trying.

[01:01:25] It's when wonder training came out.

[01:01:27] So that was a huge thing that we spent a lot of time on.

[01:01:29] I spent the majority of my time in X and Y in this one cave right before the.

[01:01:34] The.

[01:01:35] The elite four.

[01:01:37] There was like this one little spot that you could run around in circles and just constantly get strong Pokemon.

[01:01:41] I would spend literally just hours in there.

[01:01:44] I chain like random gravelers, but.

[01:01:47] And then just wonder training them.

[01:01:49] Just to see what I could get.

[01:01:50] And I would.

[01:01:51] I would.

[01:01:51] I was the immature asshole that would like give them the dumbest fucking names.

[01:01:56] It's about right.

[01:01:56] Just send them to people.

[01:01:58] Like I think I think a lot of.

[01:02:00] And you still couldn't rename nickname Pokemon that came from other people at that time.

[01:02:05] Oh, yeah.

[01:02:05] I got some offensive fucking shit.

[01:02:07] I will.

[01:02:08] I won't say what, but some of the Pokemon I got back.

[01:02:11] I was like, hold Nintendo sensors didn't try on this one.

[01:02:15] Nope.

[01:02:16] Nope.

[01:02:17] Or whenever you'd get someone would trade you a Pokemon with an ever stoned.

[01:02:20] You'd be like you asshole.

[01:02:22] Mm hmm.

[01:02:23] I did like that.

[01:02:25] In X and Y, they added the battle of Chateau.

[01:02:29] Which was pretty much just a building where it just had a bunch of trainers that you could just fight over and over and over again.

[01:02:37] And that was a great way to build up teams, especially with like the whole team XP share.

[01:02:43] Mm hmm.

[01:02:44] I know the only reason I was able to build up so many different Pokemon is because of that.

[01:02:49] Oh, speaking of interesting locations, we forgot to talk about Gen four, the Pokemon migration feature.

[01:02:58] Oh, yes.

[01:02:58] With which is what was something that we'll never really get again, because it was a very unique thing for the DS where it had the Game Boy Advance slot.

[01:03:07] Yeah.

[01:03:07] Imagine getting a DS light and be like, oh, yeah, this feature that was really cool.

[01:03:10] You can't even do it anymore.

[01:03:12] You could do the DS light.

[01:03:13] No, sorry.

[01:03:14] DSi.

[01:03:15] DSi.

[01:03:16] Yeah.

[01:03:16] Yeah.

[01:03:16] Yeah.

[01:03:16] I thought that was stupid when that came out.

[01:03:18] Oh, it's a DS with a camera.

[01:03:20] Who gives a fuck?

[01:03:21] Nobody wants.

[01:03:22] Whatever.

[01:03:23] Who cares?

[01:03:26] I did not care at all.

[01:03:27] The migrating feature was really cool.

[01:03:30] But at the same time, I really didn't like the fact that you could only do like five or it was like six every day.

[01:03:37] So you'd get your six and then you'd have to wait another day to get the rest.

[01:03:42] Yeah, that was that was a little annoying.

[01:03:44] For sure.

[01:03:45] I forget what it.

[01:03:47] How did the remake handle that?

[01:03:51] I know they did something with that area.

[01:03:53] Obviously, it couldn't be the same thing.

[01:03:55] But I'm trying to remember what they did.

[01:03:58] I don't remember.

[01:03:59] Honestly, I'll have to jump back into it at some point and just look.

[01:04:04] Because I don't I don't care for the life of me to remember what that was.

[01:04:07] Also, Gen four was the first one that like I remember them adding like a decent chunk of postgame content.

[01:04:15] Like there's a whole big island that you could explore after beating the Elite four.

[01:04:19] Well, yeah, the battle zone.

[01:04:22] Yeah, we're like the first area you go to is like the battle frontier area.

[01:04:26] But then there's like a whole bunch of like grasslands and mountains that there's like a cave where you can find heat ran.

[01:04:33] There's a bunch of other stuff, too.

[01:04:34] It was really cool.

[01:04:35] That's also where like the infamous like there's that Wally fight where Wally at the time had statistically the strongest Pokemon in the series.

[01:04:45] Mm hmm.

[01:04:46] And then.

[01:04:47] For HeartGold and SoulSilver, because all the Gen two purist bitch so hard, they actually they had to read they reupped Red's team to make his Pikachu the strongest Pokemon in the series again.

[01:04:58] See, that's like that, that I couldn't have cared less about that.

[01:05:04] Oh, you'd be amazed how like, I swear Gen two fans like just have a hate boner for frickin diamond and pearl for some reason.

[01:05:15] Which is weird because that's the engine that made the HeartGold and SoulSilver so good.

[01:05:20] I mean, there's obviously there's obviously features in HeartGold and SoulSilver that that diamond and pearl didn't have that, you know, like the the Pokemon following you thing.

[01:05:28] That was really fun.

[01:05:30] Why don't they do that more?

[01:05:32] I love that so much.

[01:05:33] And they only brought it back for Let's Go.

[01:05:36] But that requires you to play Let's Go.

[01:05:40] Yeah, but you can ride an Arcanine.

[01:05:44] You also can't catch Pokemon fun at all.

[01:05:49] No, you stupid Joy cons.

[01:05:53] But no, like the the Gen two remakes like they they added like the little Safari zone off like in the far corner of the map, which was really cool.

[01:06:03] I don't know some of the stuff that they added.

[01:06:05] They also like added in a bunch of dungeons that were cut out of like the original gold and silver because they couldn't fit them.

[01:06:12] Yeah, they made a re challenging trainers easier and that to or like more consistent.

[01:06:18] Well, they also gave like a lot of a lot of the gym leaders like in like Kento because like Kento was like shoved in there very haphazardly.

[01:06:27] Like it was very impressive that they did it.

[01:06:29] But at the same time, it still was you could tell they had to cut corners.

[01:06:32] A lot of the gym leaders in Gen in Kento and in like the original game were like they had like the most like like I think Lieutenant Surge you literally just walk in like his gym doesn't have any obstacles at all.

[01:06:46] Yeah, that was one thing about the about the Gen one being thrown in there that.

[01:06:54] That was a little annoying how they just kind of did away with it.

[01:06:58] But at that point, it's like, you know, you just kind of want to go around and get all the badges.

[01:07:01] You don't want to do with puzzles like what I already did all the puzzles for the Gen two stuff.

[01:07:06] I don't want to do them again for Gen one that I already did in the previous game.

[01:07:10] That's annoying.

[01:07:10] Well, I always remember because I got it in because in the original game, Blaine was just in a row.

[01:07:15] I don't know if it was a random cave, but at least in like the in the heart cold soul stuff.

[01:07:19] They actually gave him a quote unquote gym.

[01:07:21] Well, at least it made sense.

[01:07:24] Like there was a story reason why he was in the cave.

[01:07:28] It's true.

[01:07:29] The volcano once in a bar erupted and destroyed everything.

[01:07:34] True.

[01:07:34] Which I thought was kind of a cool especially with like the way the time.

[01:07:38] Should we talk about the timeline a little bit?

[01:07:39] Because the timeline is weird in the games.

[01:07:42] Yeah, because it's essentially Gen one starts off the series and then Gen two is like directly out like a couple of years after.

[01:07:52] Gen three takes place at some point during the same time as Gen one.

[01:07:57] Gen four takes place sometime during Gen the same time as Gen two.

[01:08:04] Yeah, it's it's weird.

[01:08:06] And then every Gen after that just kind of takes place one after.

[01:08:10] And I did get kind of like I don't know if this is like an actual theory or if it's been confirmed at all.

[01:08:17] But I'm since Gen one and Gen three happened at the same time.

[01:08:21] I'm wondering if the volcano and cinnabar erupted because of Grouda.

[01:08:27] See, that's a thing that would make a lot of sense, but the Pokemon company will never give you an answer.

[01:08:35] Fair.

[01:08:36] I mean, even just the way that they set up the timeline just just kind of dumb.

[01:08:40] I like the way the Pokemon adventures manga does it where it's just consecutive.

[01:08:46] Also in Pokemon adventures, though, I still can't get over the fucking Ruby and Sapphire Deus Ex Machina at the end of that fucking arc.

[01:08:55] Yeah, that was like the one thing that kind of spoiled that arc because that arc was so good.

[01:09:01] I know it's just like, sell the undo everything.

[01:09:05] Yeah, but whatever.

[01:09:08] See, I always love the fact to like when because I love that they actually do try to make them canonically connect together.

[01:09:15] It's like obviously like the feeling I can imagine like I didn't get to experience it obviously as a kid because I didn't play a Ruby gold silver and crystal.

[01:09:23] But I can't imagine like the feeling playing that game like you finish a Godot and then you find out Kento's literally right there and you can re-explore Kento and then you get to the top of Mount Silver and then it's literally you from the previous game.

[01:09:37] Yeah, speaking from experience, it was a wild experience.

[01:09:45] And because you kind of get like the hint of like that's going to happen once you get to the Viridian gym and you fight Blue.

[01:09:53] Oh, wait, Blue is the gym leader here now.

[01:09:55] I mean, it makes sense because you're like, oh, well, Giovanni left and like just banded Team Rocket and left and was doing his thing.

[01:10:02] So it makes sense that they would need somebody to fill the gap.

[01:10:06] And then all of a sudden, oh, Blue's here.

[01:10:08] Like that's that's awesome.

[01:10:10] And then you're like, all right, well, if Blue is here and you can fight Blue as your Gen 2 protagonist, like that means a red is here somewhere.

[01:10:19] Then you get to the very end.

[01:10:20] It's like, holy shit, dude, I'm not going to be able to beat him.

[01:10:23] Yeah, it's weird because like Gen 3 itself is essentially like the most standalone game, I'd say, in the series.

[01:10:32] Like, yeah, probably Gen 3 really doesn't have anything that ties it to the other games aside from just the general.

[01:10:39] I think it's I think if you move your family moves from Johto, that's like the one real reference to the rest of the series.

[01:10:47] Yeah.

[01:10:47] Yeah.

[01:10:49] Yeah.

[01:10:49] Because Gen 4, the main cameo is Jasmine appears towards the end of the game in one of the cities.

[01:10:56] She's just chilling there.

[01:10:59] Hmm.

[01:10:59] And also Professor Oak shows up.

[01:11:02] Oh, yeah.

[01:11:03] He I always forget about that.

[01:11:05] Yeah, because I believe he's the one who gives you the underground and the national decks and the national decks.

[01:11:12] Yeah.

[01:11:13] I always remember Jasmine because she would she was in the finals, the city where the final gym was.

[01:11:19] But that if you went and did a contest in that town, she would also occasionally join in and she would use her steelix for everything, which was kind of funny.

[01:11:27] Yeah.

[01:11:29] Um.

[01:11:31] Um.

[01:11:33] Oh, God, I was going to say to the the cameo connection cameo and in black and white, though, is quite possibly my favorite.

[01:11:41] Because they actually reference English grunt from the first game.

[01:11:48] Oh, the you remember the rocket grunt that speaks that really broken English.

[01:11:54] Yeah.

[01:11:54] He shows up like towards the or was that was that golden silver?

[01:11:59] It's either golden silver or the original red and blue.

[01:12:01] But there's like gold and silver because there was like a whole thing where.

[01:12:07] Uh, because I'm fairly certain you meet you see him in Cerulean.

[01:12:15] It is Cerulean.

[01:12:16] I just can't remember if it was if it was gold and silver of the original.

[01:12:19] I'm pretty sure it was gold and silver.

[01:12:22] But regardless, like the whole gimmick with him is like he comes out, he speaks this really broken English, which you have to remember the the first four gens like Ho and Johto, Sino and Kanto are implied to be like islands of Japan.

[01:12:42] Yeah.

[01:12:43] Yeah.

[01:12:43] Um, so it would be implied that he's speaking really bad Japanese.

[01:12:47] And then when we get to the Inova region, which is supposed to be like America, United States, you meet him again there and he explains how he was a team rocket guy.

[01:12:56] And it's like, oh, that's why his his Japanese was so bad because he's American.

[01:13:00] Yep.

[01:13:01] So nice.

[01:13:01] It was just a nice little like touch.

[01:13:04] Yeah, I like when they do stuff like that.

[01:13:06] It's nice.

[01:13:07] I mean, obviously, like black and white, too.

[01:13:09] There's the whole like movie like set where like they have all the cameos from other characters from the series.

[01:13:15] Red and blue appear in heart gold social.

[01:13:17] I know they appear in a sun and moon.

[01:13:24] Yeah, I didn't get that far.

[01:13:25] I do know that it happens.

[01:13:26] I just I saw five or six trials in and I was like, yeah, I'm done.

[01:13:31] That's the first I ever got.

[01:13:32] I didn't even get to the first trial.

[01:13:34] Anyways.

[01:13:38] So going back now, we were talking about.

[01:13:42] We're kind of just jumping around here, but.

[01:13:45] Out of all the so one of the big things of Pokemon is you'll be going across like the the the the the region and you'll run into different trainers.

[01:13:55] What was one of your favorite like just like random trainer quips to start a battle?

[01:14:02] Why aren't you wearing shorts that can't be easy to wear?

[01:14:04] Sure.

[01:14:05] That's a classic one.

[01:14:07] I always love like the ones where it's like, oh, I'm a bug catcher.

[01:14:11] Let's fight.

[01:14:12] Yeah, it was obviously youngster.

[01:14:16] Joey classic.

[01:14:18] I always love adding youngster Joey on the phone and in in in Gen 2 just because like he'll call you all the time.

[01:14:25] He's like, I don't care about your attitude, Joey.

[01:14:27] Just for the memes, just for the memes.

[01:14:29] Top percentage of.

[01:14:31] And I love how they made that joke and.

[01:14:35] In Yu-Gi-Oh Bridged like they thought the one clip show episode.

[01:14:39] And like you just see like a pic like a scene of Joey Joey Wheeler calling up copy.

[01:14:45] He's like, hey, Cueba, I tell you about my super cool returner.

[01:14:51] It's great.

[01:14:52] That one's always a classic.

[01:14:54] Um, speaking of.

[01:14:56] So we were talking about starters earlier on and how occasionally if you pick the wrong starter, you're going to have a miserable time depending on how the game's laid out.

[01:15:04] Did you ever pick Chikorita in Gen 2?

[01:15:07] In a Nuzlocke, no less.

[01:15:10] You're really fucked if you pick Chikorita in that game because it starts off with the bird gym and then you get the bug gym and it's like, holy shit, you went hard mode.

[01:15:19] All right.

[01:15:20] And then to top it off, you get the milk tank right after that.

[01:15:23] And then you get fucking Whitney in her milk tank.

[01:15:26] Fuck.

[01:15:27] Yep.

[01:15:28] I still fucking hate Whitney so much for that shit.

[01:15:32] Whitney made Xander rage quit silver.

[01:15:35] He's so she's so bullshit.

[01:15:37] And then not only that, once you finally beat her after all that fucking agony, she then throws a bitch fit and won't give you the damn badge.

[01:15:45] I'm always like, yeah, you gotta walk out and walk back in to get the badge.

[01:15:47] It's like, it's why nobody likes Whitney.

[01:15:50] It's funny how Gen Gen 2 has like two of the moments where like the gym leaders are just asshats like you get Whitney and then you get Claire later on who just won't give you the badge and makes you do a fucking trial and still won't give it to you.

[01:16:03] And like, there's also, is it, is it Jasmine, the steel type one where like you kind of understand her a bit where she's like taking care of the sick Pokemon, but it's like, come on.

[01:16:13] I just want to fucking fight the gym.

[01:16:14] Like, come on, let's go.

[01:16:15] Oh, yeah.

[01:16:16] Yeah.

[01:16:16] Jasmine hanging out with her Ampharos.

[01:16:19] Hmm.

[01:16:20] It's a lighthouse.

[01:16:22] And I feel like Gen 2, like most of the games would just like kind of give you the HMs you need as you go along or it would be like the story beats.

[01:16:31] But in Gen 2, like there was a lot of ones you could miss.

[01:16:34] Like I remember going through Gen 2 for the first time in like years and being like, why the fuck can I not find Fly?

[01:16:41] I have no idea where Fly is.

[01:16:43] It's just some random dude standing around on an island town.

[01:16:45] I think it's where the, where the fighting gym is.

[01:16:48] He's just like, not even in a house.

[01:16:51] He's just like hanging out on the island.

[01:16:53] And you just have to talk to him like after you beat the gym and he gives you Fly.

[01:16:57] And it's great for, I had to Google it cause I had no fucking clue where to find it.

[01:17:01] And I was getting so annoyed having to run from place to place.

[01:17:04] Oh yeah.

[01:17:05] So what do you get bigger PTSD from?

[01:17:08] Zubats or Tetragruels?

[01:17:12] Probably Zubats.

[01:17:14] Um, because in Gen 1, I, I like love Tentacruel in Gen 1.

[01:17:21] Because, uh, I actually, one of my favorite Pokemon memories was during that time period when me and my, my group of friends was playing the old school Pokemon games.

[01:17:30] We had, uh, N64 with the adapters set up and we're, uh, my buddy Tom wanted to, wanted to battle me.

[01:17:38] So I was just the biggest asshole cause he was like talking all this shit, like putting up this big game.

[01:17:44] I send out my Tentacruel and just toxic wrap his entire team.

[01:17:47] It was a single book.

[01:17:49] That was such an asshole.

[01:17:51] That's one of my favorite fucking Pokemon memories.

[01:17:54] Hmm.

[01:17:58] So every, every game gives you one master ball.

[01:18:02] Um, the master ball for those who, I mean, most people probably know, but the master ball is obviously a Pokeball that guarantees a catch no matter what.

[01:18:10] Hmm.

[01:18:11] Um, most people save them for one of the legendaries.

[01:18:17] What's the dumbest thing you ever used a master ball on?

[01:18:23] A trainer Pokemon.

[01:18:26] I just did it just to see if it would work.

[01:18:28] I'm guessing it didn't.

[01:18:30] It didn't.

[01:18:32] Uh, I caught a Magikarp with one.

[01:18:35] That's a good one.

[01:18:36] That's a good one.

[01:18:36] Just to do it.

[01:18:37] It's like, it was like Magikarp.

[01:18:41] I mean, I've definitely done that kind of thing just for the laws.

[01:18:43] Just cause I mean, it is, I'm at a point now where like, if I'm going to play Pokemon, I'm going to go out of my way to try and get myself some challenge.

[01:18:50] That's why generally, if I play an older Pokemon game, I'm nuzlocking because that it's more fun to me to sweat while I'm playing Pokemon.

[01:19:00] I did a let's play of one of the Pokemon games.

[01:19:04] It's no longer up.

[01:19:05] I deleted it cause it was really bad.

[01:19:06] It's worse than the one that is on my YouTube channel right now.

[01:19:09] Um, I remember in, in the let's play, I remember I got the master ball and I just, I immediately threw it away.

[01:19:14] I was like, eh, it's just to piss people off.

[01:19:16] Just threw it in the trash.

[01:19:17] Yeah.

[01:19:17] I was like, don't eat it.

[01:19:19] Useless.

[01:19:20] No, no, actually, I think I caught, I caught like something stupid.

[01:19:23] And then I released the Pokemon immediately after just to be a dick.

[01:19:29] Classic.

[01:19:30] I think I also released the starter in that let's, let's play just to be a dick.

[01:19:35] So here's the real question though, is if you're playing gen two and you get the master ball, what are you using it on?

[01:19:43] Roman legendary.

[01:19:46] But which one?

[01:19:48] Cause there's three.

[01:19:50] Uh, I forget.

[01:19:53] Do they have different stipulations?

[01:19:56] Nope.

[01:19:56] They're all the same.

[01:19:57] Unless you're playing crystal.

[01:19:59] Cause I know crystal in crystal.

[01:20:01] You, you just get sweet.

[01:20:03] And like an actual battle is that for some reason is in that one.

[01:20:07] That's like the main legendary instead of Ho-Oh or Lugia, which.

[01:20:11] Yeah.

[01:20:11] Um, usually the first one I, I, I happen to run across.

[01:20:15] I'll use the master ball just to get one out of the way.

[01:20:19] Cause you'd like over either Entei or Raikou.

[01:20:21] Yeah.

[01:20:22] Cause I will say it once.

[01:20:24] Fuck roaming legendaries.

[01:20:27] Yeah.

[01:20:28] And it's, uh, something that's one of the things that they decided to use again.

[01:20:35] Which used that.

[01:20:35] That shit.

[01:20:36] They use that a lot.

[01:20:38] Fucking gen four had like seven of them.

[01:20:40] Yeah.

[01:20:43] Wasn't fun.

[01:20:44] That's why I just got an action replay and used unlimited master balls.

[01:20:47] Cause fuck that shit.

[01:20:48] Yeah.

[01:20:49] No kidding.

[01:20:52] So.

[01:20:54] This is something that a lot of modern players will never understand, but like back in the day, the, the, the trials of mystery gift Pokemon.

[01:21:03] Uh, I never really messed with mystery gift.

[01:21:08] I didn't understand the concept.

[01:21:11] And by the time I did, uh, the games would be done.

[01:21:15] Yeah.

[01:21:16] So I missed out on every single one of those and all the, uh, like special events, like all the like extra like side mission DLC stuff from like the DS games missed all those.

[01:21:28] So thankfully with the DS games, you can just actually replay that stuff in it.

[01:21:33] Just so much better than, uh, back in the day, like having to go to the goddamn like Toys R Us to like, so they can scan your cart and just give you this thing.

[01:21:46] I get why they did it.

[01:21:47] I get why they did it.

[01:21:47] They were trying to promote like interaction and meeting people, you know, the whole thing the series is about, but let's face it.

[01:21:53] Kids hate each other and don't want to do that.

[01:21:55] So.

[01:21:56] Yeah.

[01:21:57] And it's, it's just like a, a huge, like pain in the ass to just be like, Oh, well, you just can't have this Pokemon unless you happen to know a mystery gift event is happening and go to the store to get the thing.

[01:22:11] And they never came to our stores.

[01:22:13] I swear.

[01:22:15] Like I never got celled B and Gentoo.

[01:22:18] I always knew like where you were supposed to go to get it, but.

[01:22:22] Was never an option for me because I didn't know that that was a thing.

[01:22:27] Yeah.

[01:22:28] And now like mystery gift is just a thing that you can just do over wifi and it's still like, it's still such like a thing that I'm so unused to that I never end up doing it.

[01:22:36] And they don't last as long as like, like even like going back to like X and Y and Omega Ruby Alpha Sapphire, like the mystery gifts for those would last a while.

[01:22:46] Like it would go for a good couple of years and consistently always be something.

[01:22:52] Um, I went after like maybe six months of having the gen four remake and there was nothing, nothing on the horizon.

[01:23:00] They were all done with that.

[01:23:02] And it's just like, well, all right, fuck me, I guess.

[01:23:06] So were you pro using legendaries or did you just catch them and put them in the bank?

[01:23:12] When I was a kid, I used them.

[01:23:14] Uh, now I, they're just not as useful to me because even as a kid, like, cause you catch the legendary and like at first it was good.

[01:23:26] But they take so fucking long to level up and because you get them at a higher level already, they're not as good as a Pokemon that you just caught at like level 10 and raised.

[01:23:37] So at that point it was like, why even bother?

[01:23:42] Yeah, they were kind of like, they were cool to have, but then once you got them, you were like, fuck this.

[01:23:47] They're so, they're not fun.

[01:23:48] Um, unless I'm playing one of the gen one games and I do the glitch to get me because you get the mew at level seven and you raise that from level seven.

[01:23:58] And that's, that's the best Pokemon you're ever going to get in that game.

[01:24:01] Cause we can learn every move.

[01:24:03] Yeah.

[01:24:03] Yep.

[01:24:03] And it just has like really good stats anyway.

[01:24:06] So having a mew and having transform with like those like amazing base stats in that game, like you just automatically have every Pokemon and it's automatically going to be better than whatever I'm copying.

[01:24:21] So that was always fun.

[01:24:22] Speaking of, so you mentioned the mew glitch.

[01:24:25] Speaking of glitches, we have to talk about missing now.

[01:24:31] Yeah, I, I actually, I never did that as a kid.

[01:24:34] Um, that was something that I discovered later in life.

[01:24:38] I think most people like didn't initially do it when it was a thing.

[01:24:42] They kind of discovered it.

[01:24:44] Well, they discovered it earlier on, but they didn't actually mess around with it till like they were much older.

[01:24:50] Hmm.

[01:24:51] Cause missing.

[01:24:52] No is like one of the funniest things ever.

[01:24:54] This where.

[01:24:56] Cause it wasn't like a thing where like missing.

[01:24:58] No was originally supposed to be like, uh, like what missing, what became missing.

[01:25:04] No supposedly was originally supposed to be a first form.

[01:25:08] Kangaskhan.

[01:25:10] Supposedly that's kind of why it evolves into one.

[01:25:13] Cause I think it was supposed to be like the little baby in the pouch.

[01:25:16] Hmm.

[01:25:17] Cause missing.

[01:25:18] No is short is just like a short for missing number.

[01:25:21] Yeah.

[01:25:22] Which is essentially, it's what happens when the game.

[01:25:25] This is like a really bad explanation, but it's essentially what happens, I guess, when the game tries to load a Pokemon that doesn't exist.

[01:25:30] Yeah.

[01:25:32] And it's such a weird, like volatile glitch that it just causes the game to do really weird shit.

[01:25:39] Hmm.

[01:25:40] Like I got random Pokemon with stats that are completely outrageous.

[01:25:44] Oh yeah.

[01:25:44] Catching like level, like four 27 war turtles and stuff.

[01:25:49] Yeah.

[01:25:49] My, uh, my buddy, Matt, um, when we were going through those games, he kept getting Porygons and that's everywhere.

[01:25:57] It was just outrageous.

[01:25:58] And it would be like outrageously powerful, but as soon as it levels up, it would be like what it would supposed to, what would, what the stats would supposed to be at that level.

[01:26:09] So as long as you didn't level it up, it was just a fucking powerhouse that could not be beat.

[01:26:15] You just catch a bunch of them.

[01:26:16] And then once it wasn't leveled up, you just get rid of it and get another.

[01:26:19] Yeah.

[01:26:21] I always remember there's that, or like you would, uh, it would multiply whatever's in your seventh item slot.

[01:26:25] So you just get like 99 or whatever.

[01:26:29] Yeah.

[01:26:30] That's how you get extra TMs in those games, extra TMs, unlimited master balls.

[01:26:36] Yep.

[01:26:37] Well, that was, um, that was one big, uh, I think gen six change that was a huge game changer was unbreakable TMs just forever TMs.

[01:26:49] Unbreakable TMs and letting you delete, uh, HMs.

[01:26:52] Yeah.

[01:26:53] It was a big game changer for sure.

[01:26:57] Also, uh, gen six also introduced customizable player player characters for the first time.

[01:27:03] Yeah.

[01:27:04] I didn't really mess around with that a whole lot.

[01:27:05] It wasn't a whole lot that I liked.

[01:27:07] I don't know why they had like a weird, like idea of what your character should look like in Pokemon.

[01:27:15] Unfortunately, like this is just kind of a nature of the beast, but unfortunately the female players got so many more options than the male players got.

[01:27:24] The figures.

[01:27:28] Um, also one thing I liked about gen six was the roller skates.

[01:27:31] I liked the roller skates initially, but once you play like, say like sort of shield or, uh, let's go or like any of the ones after you kind of realize how arbitrary they kind of work.

[01:27:43] Mm-hmm.

[01:27:46] Mm-hmm.

[01:27:46] Um, cause um, gen six is weird.

[01:27:47] Cause when you don't have the roller skates, like the controls are still stuck on like the eight way movement.

[01:27:52] Yeah.

[01:27:53] But then like when you have the roller skates, you actually move in full, uh, 360 degree motion.

[01:27:58] Mm-hmm.

[01:28:02] So I know we've kind of jumped around a lot talking about like the different like mainline Pokemon games.

[01:28:07] We want to talk about some of the spinoffs.

[01:28:09] Sure.

[01:28:10] Um, I guess we can start with like the first spinoff in a lot of ways, the Pokemon, the trading card game.

[01:28:17] That I actually, I didn't, I think, I think I actually played that for the first time when we were working at Richards and I only started playing it because my stepson had a bunch of cards and he wanted to play the game.

[01:28:30] And I was like, I don't know how to fucking play that game.

[01:28:33] So, uh, I ended up playing the, I ended up downloading a ROM on my, my phone at the time.

[01:28:39] And, uh, I played through it just to learn how to play the game.

[01:28:44] And then through that was able to teach him how to play.

[01:28:48] Hmm.

[01:28:48] Yeah.

[01:28:49] Like I remember that I was one of the few people that could actually play the Pokemon trading card game.

[01:28:53] Cause I played that back in the day.

[01:28:55] Hmm.

[01:28:56] I mean, nowadays I don't know about DX, GX, EX.

[01:29:00] I don't know what that, all that shit is, but.

[01:29:03] Goddamn coin flips.

[01:29:05] Yeah.

[01:29:06] Yeah.

[01:29:07] That's a game that definitely heavily relies on coin flips.

[01:29:11] Yeah.

[01:29:12] And they fucking are rigged against you.

[01:29:15] Oh, always, always.

[01:29:18] Was any, any kind of like coin flip specific thing where you can't just call what you want it to be like, no, in Pokemon, it's like heads is a success.

[01:29:26] Tails is a fail.

[01:29:27] Hmm.

[01:29:28] Which.

[01:29:30] I always call tails.

[01:29:32] So that sucks for me.

[01:29:34] Yeah.

[01:29:35] Uh, that was like the first real Pokemon spinoff.

[01:29:38] Um, it's a very bare bones game aside from that.

[01:29:42] Like there's not a whole lot of content outside of the game itself.

[01:29:46] Um, there was also Pokemon pinball, which was pinball.

[01:29:52] Hmm.

[01:29:53] Um, I think I played a little bit of that, but it wasn't anything special.

[01:29:58] And then after that we had the N64 games like we had Pokemon puzzle league, which.

[01:30:05] It's puzzle game.

[01:30:07] Yeah.

[01:30:08] I think I had the GBA version of that.

[01:30:12] It was a game with color.

[01:30:13] I don't remember which.

[01:30:14] Game by color.

[01:30:15] I believe.

[01:30:17] Okay.

[01:30:17] Yeah.

[01:30:17] I think I had that version.

[01:30:18] Then there was the, the most iconic of Pokemon spinoffs, Pokemon snap.

[01:30:26] Which.

[01:30:28] Took like what?

[01:30:29] 20 years to get a second one.

[01:30:31] Yeah.

[01:30:31] Um, I just, honestly, when I think Pokemon snap, I always think of like going around the levels and just talking rocks at the Pokemon because of fucking savage.

[01:30:41] Yeah.

[01:30:41] I didn't, I didn't play that for the first time for.

[01:30:45] Not until like the past, maybe like four years ago, something like that.

[01:30:52] It's fairly recent.

[01:30:54] The first time I played it and I played it a little bit and it was fine.

[01:30:57] You know, it wasn't anything crazy, but I, I enjoyed it for what it was.

[01:31:00] Is that an NSO right now?

[01:31:02] I feel like it.

[01:31:03] I believe so.

[01:31:04] The only other spinoff that comes to mind immediately is, uh, Hey you Pikachu, which was the one where you could talk to Pikachu with that microphone thing.

[01:31:12] I wanted that so bad when I was a kid, but I didn't have an N64 as a kid.

[01:31:18] Pikachu straight up takes shits and throws them at you in that game.

[01:31:22] So funny.

[01:31:23] I actually, I got that for Xander for Christmas years ago.

[01:31:27] And, uh, he, he played that for a while.

[01:31:29] Um, he could just a little bastard in that game.

[01:31:32] Like he, he could be a dick.

[01:31:34] And he wouldn't listen a lot of the time too.

[01:31:36] Well, the, the, the microphone adapters is, is like a piece of shit.

[01:31:40] Like, yeah.

[01:31:41] Yeah.

[01:31:42] But yeah, he played that a lot too.

[01:31:44] And I, I messed around with it a little bit just to satisfy my childhood fantasies of the game that I could never have.

[01:31:53] You realize Pikachu's an asshole and it makes you hate Pokemon.

[01:31:56] A little bit.

[01:31:57] Yeah.

[01:31:58] Um, but the concept was cool.

[01:31:59] And I kind of wish they would bring that back with the technology we have now.

[01:32:03] Cause it would be way more interactive and way more, um, functional now if it was made now, as opposed to back then.

[01:32:11] Hmm.

[01:32:15] Um, yeah, honestly, I, there was supposed to be like a semi sequel in a development for the game called like Meowth Party, but it never got super far in development.

[01:32:28] Oh, that would have been fun.

[01:32:29] Especially since Meowth actually talks and you've been talking shit the whole time.

[01:32:33] Yeah.

[01:32:34] Um, so I was going to say, we already kind of talked about like the GameCube ones and, um, stadium to a degree, like they're not great games.

[01:32:48] Well, I mean, stadiums fine.

[01:32:49] I mean, stadium, everyone plays stadium for the party games, you know, the mini games.

[01:32:54] Yeah.

[01:32:55] Then stadiums just a decent battle simulator.

[01:32:57] Yeah.

[01:32:59] It was, it was just a fun party game.

[01:33:02] Now, if we're going to talk spinoffs, we could talk about the mystery dungeon.

[01:33:06] Cause that's basically the spinoff.

[01:33:08] Yeah.

[01:33:09] Um, which the, at the time that this is released, there will probably be a blog, uh, about it on super pod network.com.

[01:33:20] Yes.

[01:33:21] I'm going to make use of that now.

[01:33:24] So I, I played the, the red and blue rescue team games when they came out.

[01:33:30] Um, and I, I had an immense, immensely fun time with those.

[01:33:35] Um, especially since, uh, I don't know if it's happened since, or maybe my memory is just foggy, but, uh, in the red rescue, red and blue rescue teams, there is a point in the story where there is a literal lynch mob after you.

[01:33:54] Yeah.

[01:33:55] Trying to murder you because they think that you are causing all of these natural disasters just by existing.

[01:34:02] I mean, I still think to this day, my favorite, like, I love the, the really hilariously offhand, uh, comedy in like, um, uh, in, uh, the series.

[01:34:14] Cause like one of my favorites of all time is still like the guy outside of the grass gym and Gen one who's like, I love this gym.

[01:34:20] It's full of woman.

[01:34:21] Yeah.

[01:34:23] Which they changed in modern versions to strong trainers.

[01:34:26] I still remember that back in the day.

[01:34:29] It's about right.

[01:34:30] But yeah, mystery dungeon was really cool.

[01:34:32] Like the whole concept of just, it's basically an isekai story because you wake up and you're a Pokemon and like a literal Pokemon world where they have their own communities and legends and myths and gods.

[01:34:47] Essentially.

[01:34:49] I love the fact that like the way you determine what your Pokemon is going to be as a personality test, but I swear to God, everybody just fucking cheats and gets, makes it so they get the Pokemon they want.

[01:35:00] I mean, at first for sure.

[01:35:03] And they, they kind of changed it up with the, the, the remake and like the later, uh, additions to the series where they lead you off with the personality test.

[01:35:12] But then they're like, do you want this Pokemon?

[01:35:14] And if you say no, that it's like, okay, well here's the list.

[01:35:16] Pick one.

[01:35:17] Yeah.

[01:35:18] It's better than fucking having to save scum the entire time just to get the one you want.

[01:35:22] Cause I remember having to retake that thing multiple times just to get a tree go.

[01:35:26] So yeah.

[01:35:26] Then just being like, I don't know what the fuck to answer.

[01:35:28] Like this is when that game came out, like the internet was still fairly new.

[01:35:33] And well, even then, like you can look up how to get a certain Pokemon and the, it's still extremely vague.

[01:35:39] Like you're still going to have to retake it a couple of times to figure it out.

[01:35:42] And they had the weirdest fucking questions too.

[01:35:44] Like you're in the bathroom.

[01:35:46] My hand comes out of the toilet.

[01:35:47] What do you do?

[01:35:48] Like what?

[01:35:49] How does that have anything to do with Pokemon?

[01:35:51] What Pokemon uses a toilet?

[01:35:53] I mean, you remember the early Pokemon when animals existed alongside the Pokemon?

[01:35:59] Yeah, that was weird.

[01:36:01] Yeah.

[01:36:01] Then they just, they just kind of forgot about that real quick.

[01:36:05] Yeah.

[01:36:06] I just want to know what people eat in the Pokemon world.

[01:36:10] You don't want to know.

[01:36:11] Yeah.

[01:36:13] Yeah.

[01:36:13] Um, but I also did like the, the, the, at least with the, uh, the first entries to the mystery dungeon series, there was like an outrageous amount of post game content.

[01:36:25] Like.

[01:36:25] Oh yeah.

[01:36:26] To the extreme.

[01:36:27] Like I actually looked up, um, the like estimated play times for red rescue team recently.

[01:36:34] And like the base game, like story mode is like 15 hours.

[01:36:38] If you're going for a hundred percent completion with all the post game stuff, it's like well over 200 hours.

[01:36:43] It's a lot of post game, but I mean, that was, there was a lot, a lot there.

[01:36:51] And the remake is, is great.

[01:36:52] I had a lot of fun with the remake.

[01:36:56] I still believe the, um, the, the explorers like trilogy is considered like a lot of people say is the best in the, excuse me, the best in the series.

[01:37:06] Yeah.

[01:37:07] I'm going to have to, I'm going to have to find copies of that because I completely, I played the originals and then I didn't play any entries until the super mystery dungeon and fuck that game.

[01:37:19] Yeah.

[01:37:19] Yeah.

[01:37:19] The 3DS ones are not as popular as the, the other ones.

[01:37:23] I mean, the, the, the, the gameplay itself is fine.

[01:37:26] I don't remember anything about the story.

[01:37:28] So don't even ask me, but like the, the, the essential like building blocks of what makes a mystery dungeon game is fine.

[01:37:36] Excuse me.

[01:37:37] But the tutorial in super mystery dungeon is like fucking seven hours long.

[01:37:41] It's absolutely outrageous.

[01:37:43] It takes like hours, hours and hours before you can just go and explore an engine without it being story related.

[01:37:51] Hmm.

[01:37:52] Yeah. And I, I remember those games being like super all over the place.

[01:37:57] Uh, to be honest, the spinoff, I remember a lot from back then was, uh, the Pokemon Ranger trilogy.

[01:38:05] I think I only played the first one of those games, but I, I had fun with it.

[01:38:08] The whole concept of a Pokemon game where you are kind of a trainer, but you don't keep any of your Pokemon.

[01:38:15] Yeah. You don't catch Pokemon. You're just borrowing them.

[01:38:18] Hey, just kind of like, okay. I did like this weird, like, and it was very reliant on the touch screen of the DS.

[01:38:24] Um, yes.

[01:38:26] Um, yes.

[01:38:26] Where you like had to like draw circles around a Pokemon, uh, in insert in a certain way with like them trying to fight against you and then you could recruit them.

[01:38:37] And then, but then as soon as you leave the area, you're exploring your, I think plus one minor, the only ones you get to keep permanently.

[01:38:45] Yeah. I like the idea behind Ranger. Like it was kind of a cool, like different idea.

[01:38:51] Like they actually tried something. I'm like game freak who hasn't fucking tried in years.

[01:38:57] Um, yeah, I had to, but anyways, um,

[01:39:03] I don't think, I don't think we've gotten too many other spinoffs since unless you count Pokemon go.

[01:39:10] Yeah. I mean, let's go. Yeah. There was Pokemon dash. If you remember Pokemon dash.

[01:39:18] I remember it existed. I don't remember anything about it.

[01:39:22] It was a racing game where you had to rub the touch screen to run.

[01:39:27] That's okay.

[01:39:29] It wasn't.

[01:39:30] Doesn't sound.

[01:39:32] Pokemon conquest.

[01:39:34] What is that?

[01:39:36] That was the one that was like that weird tactical RPG.

[01:39:39] That was like a crossover with like the, it's some Japanese like tactical series.

[01:39:44] I can't remember the name of it right now, but it's like the most, it's like,

[01:39:48] it's just one of the most, what the fuck crossovers ever, but it's surprisingly really good.

[01:39:53] Hmm.

[01:39:55] Interesting.

[01:39:56] It's a tactical Pokemon RPG.

[01:39:58] Ooh, Pokken tournament.

[01:40:01] Oh yeah. I never, I never got that.

[01:40:05] It's a, it's a bizarre.

[01:40:08] It's a spinoff.

[01:40:08] It's, it's a Pokemon fighting game, but the way that it's just like, I don't really particularly care for the structure of it.

[01:40:17] I don't like the, the fight angle, like how they're like angled that way.

[01:40:21] Yeah.

[01:40:22] Cause it's like whatever, like the first player is gets like the, the focused angle.

[01:40:27] And then the other player is across and they have to kind of like weave around it.

[01:40:32] It's it's the way that it has like, it has like a far away combat and then a close up combat, even though it's still a pretty small area.

[01:40:41] It's like a really bizarre structure to it.

[01:40:45] Yeah. It was one of those ones where I was kind of like, this is an interesting idea, but they completely shat on the, the local co-op people with the design.

[01:40:53] Cause it was clearly designed for online multiplayer.

[01:40:56] Yeah. I would have liked it a lot better if it was just a straight up like classic 2d style fighting game.

[01:41:02] Hmm.

[01:41:04] Hmm.

[01:41:04] Um, did you ever play any of those like Pokemon rumble world games?

[01:41:10] No, I had, I got one for free on my 3ds once, but I never played it.

[01:41:15] I haven't messed with like any, like the, um, what the hell is that one that everyone's playing now?

[01:41:22] Uh, the one that you can play on the phone, but it's also on switch masters.

[01:41:27] I think.

[01:41:28] Yeah. Or no, that's not, no, no, not, not masters.

[01:41:32] Um, I don't remember. I know it's been around for a little bit now, but Pokemon shuffle.

[01:41:42] No, I know Xander plays it.

[01:41:47] Uh, I'm sure if anybody listens to this, they're probably going to know exactly what we're talking about, but.

[01:41:57] See, I remember Pokemon masters EX, which was the, the first major mobile phone game.

[01:42:03] Um, which actually was kind of cool. Like just as a decent little Pokemon game, but I always remember it.

[01:42:09] Cause when it came out, the hashtag on Twitter was Pokemon master sex.

[01:42:14] The Pokemon phone.

[01:42:19] What the hell is it called?

[01:42:23] Uh, Pokemon unite.

[01:42:25] Okay. Yeah. I never played that.

[01:42:27] Me neither.

[01:42:30] Um, but yeah, there's, um, I mean, I guess there are a fair amount of Pokemon spin up games.

[01:42:36] Still. It's just that most of them go to mobile now.

[01:42:38] Did you play Pokemon go at all?

[01:42:41] When it first came out. Yeah. For the first year I was like super into it.

[01:42:44] I remember when we were working at Richards, I came in and there was a person playing Pokemon go out in the parking lot.

[01:42:51] And I had no idea who they were.

[01:42:53] This was actually, I actually, uh, for the first year I was like, super,

[01:43:00] I actually bought my first smartphone specifically for Pokemon go when I heard it was coming out.

[01:43:05] Um, and I actually got pulled over by a cop once playing it.

[01:43:10] Cause we'll not pulled over. I was walking.

[01:43:13] Um, cause I was, this is at the point where I was still working at a couple of farms.

[01:43:20] And, uh, I w I was, I was, I was working at late shit.

[01:43:24] I was covering for somebody or something and I got out like,

[01:43:27] it was like midnight or like past midnight and I was walking home and,

[01:43:32] uh, I was, I, of course I had Pokemon go out cause this was the point where I was playing it.

[01:43:36] And I saw that there was a vial plume nearby and I didn't know exactly where it was,

[01:43:42] but I knew like the hotspots where I was walking, where they would generally tend to spawn.

[01:43:46] So I was like walking behind a breakfast place, like into the like back parking lot.

[01:43:51] And a cop happened to be passing by as I was walking back there.

[01:43:55] And he like pulled over. He's like, Hey, what are you doing? Blah, blah, blah.

[01:43:58] I showed him my phone. I'm like, let's play Pokemon.

[01:44:00] And while I walk from home, I just happened to see, look at whatever. He's like, blah, blah, go home.

[01:44:07] I don't know. That was funny.

[01:44:09] I'll never forget. Um, I won't name, I won't say his name cause he was someone we worked with.

[01:44:16] Well, you kind of still do work with him. I think, um, you, you know who I'm talking about.

[01:44:21] Um, I remember coming into work one night and I see him on a ladder taping his phone to the ceiling fan.

[01:44:31] And he has the fan set for like the lowest speed setting.

[01:44:34] And I'm looking at it. I'm like, what are you doing? Cause I was so just confused.

[01:44:40] And he's like, so I'm trying to get eggs and Pokemon go. And he's like, you gotta constantly be in motion.

[01:44:45] So I taped my phone to the ceiling fan and it's going at the slowest speed.

[01:44:49] And I just looked at him. Like, I'm like, I don't have time for this.

[01:44:52] And I was just, I was so, cause I, it was night shift.

[01:44:57] I was tired as it was. And I just walked in to take over for third shift.

[01:45:01] And I just see that. And I'm just like, I'm like, what the fuck is this?

[01:45:06] Yeah. Every now and then I take it back out, but it's for the most part, it's.

[01:45:12] I just couldn't care less. Xander's all pumped up now. Cause he has an iPhone now.

[01:45:16] So he's, he plays Pokemon go off and on now. And he gets really into it.

[01:45:21] See, I remember the saddest thing I ever heard was like, I was waiting in line at a Dunkin Donuts.

[01:45:26] And there were some people in front of me and I remember that, cause this was just when Pokemon go came out.

[01:45:31] Um, and they were talking about it. And I remember they were joking, like saying like, oh, do you guys play Pokemon go?

[01:45:35] And like, like one of the guys literally goes, no. Cause that would require me to go outside.

[01:45:40] And I just went, I went, okay, the world is fucked.

[01:45:44] I just wanted to go for that.

[01:45:47] That's about right.

[01:45:49] Um, yeah, this is pretty much the, at least the main spinoff ones that were worth mentioning.

[01:46:00] Um, out of curiosity, just because I've been, uh, kind of playing around with emulators and stuff lately.

[01:46:05] Did you ever fuck with, uh, ROM hacks for Pokemon?

[01:46:09] Pokemon crystal clear, I think is my favorite ROM hack ever.

[01:46:13] Uh, what's the gimmick for that one?

[01:46:15] So crystal clear is a very cool. I actually have a ROM cartridge of it, which is kind of neat.

[01:46:21] The idea of it is it it's essentially it's Pokemon crystal, but they made it an open world game.

[01:46:28] Where you can choose.

[01:46:31] So you can choose either, uh, you can play as red, you can play as gold, you can play as crystal.

[01:46:37] Or they actually made, they actually re added, um, green slash leaf, depending on the, what do you want to call her?

[01:46:44] They added her, um, original dummied out sprites from the, uh, the first game.

[01:46:50] That's cool.

[01:46:51] So you get, you can pick one of the four protagonists.

[01:46:53] You can choose which town you want to start in.

[01:46:57] So say you want to start in like the, the dragon town from like crystal, like Johto.

[01:47:03] I forgot the name of it right now.

[01:47:05] Uh, blackthorn blackthorn.

[01:47:07] So you want to start in blackthorn.

[01:47:09] You can start in blackthorn.

[01:47:11] Um, you can choose any.

[01:47:14] So you can choose any starter from like gen one or two, or it gives you some random selections.

[01:47:19] Like you can say, start with like a fucking tentacle or something.

[01:47:23] Um, and what's cool is.

[01:47:26] So you start in say blackthorn the entire game scales.

[01:47:32] So like you can go to any gym in whatever order you want.

[01:47:35] And the game will scale the difficulty from gym to gym.

[01:47:39] So like the second gym you fight will be slightly harder.

[01:47:42] The third gym you fight will be slightly harder.

[01:47:45] So you can go legit.

[01:47:46] Anyway, they get rid of HMs entirely.

[01:47:48] So there's no like obstacles for trade for like travel.

[01:47:50] You can legit go anywhere.

[01:47:52] That's pretty cool.

[01:47:53] It is such a cool concept for a ROM hack.

[01:47:57] Just, just as a like one-off idea.

[01:47:59] Yeah.

[01:48:02] It's, it's just cool.

[01:48:03] The only downside is it's based off like a eight bit game.

[01:48:06] I kind of wish they'd made like a 16 bit version in the gen three engine, but.

[01:48:11] Um, there's, uh, see, I'm, I'm just now starting to kind of fuck around with emulation more.

[01:48:18] And I even, I downloaded a GPA emulator on Xander's computer as well because he was asking about it.

[01:48:24] And, uh, we, well, I, I found a few specific Pokemon ROM hacks that I wanted to fuck around with.

[01:48:31] Um, but the one that he's been messing around with is, uh, emerald X2 or times two.

[01:48:39] Um, and it's an emerald ROM hack where like, they kind of fuck around with a little bit of like the, the general structure of the game.

[01:48:49] Um, as far as like the layout and whatnot, but they added Pokemon at the very least all the way up from gen eight.

[01:48:58] Like the Pokemon all the way from up to that point.

[01:49:02] And they, um, mess with like what spawns where, like you can catch a toke in the first area.

[01:49:09] And there's like all sorts of different Pokemon from, from different games.

[01:49:13] And they added, uh, like moves from later games and like extra, like original sprite animations and stuff like that.

[01:49:20] Uh, tons of quality of life improvements.

[01:49:22] Like it's, it's really cool.

[01:49:25] Um, but the one that I've been excited to mess around with and, and I've only just kind of barely started about it.

[01:49:31] Um, I actually mentioned it on the discord recently.

[01:49:35] Uh, but it's a Yu-Gi-Oh!

[01:49:39] Pokemon ROM hack.

[01:49:40] It's, it's a ROM hack of FireRedLeafGreen, but they swapped out all the Pokemon for Yu-Gi-Oh! Monsters.

[01:49:47] That's fun.

[01:49:48] Um, and, uh, the starters are Paladin of White Dragon, Illusion Magician, and Red-Eyes Black Chick.

[01:49:56] Obviously I chose Red-Eyes Black Chick for my starter.

[01:49:59] Um, but like, you know, just like going out and starting out, they, you know, you can go out and you can find like, I caught a baby dragon.

[01:50:07] I caught, uh, uh, Beaver Warrior.

[01:50:10] There's like Silver Fang, like all the classic, uh, dual monster cards.

[01:50:17] Um, and like, they, they like changed out a lot of like the dialogue stuff from like random people you talk to and they'll talk about the Yu-Gi-Oh! Monsters and things like that.

[01:50:26] Um, there's tons of like quality life improvements, like XP share works the way it does in current Pokemon games in that.

[01:50:34] Uh, you automatically have the running shoes and just walking in general.

[01:50:38] Well, you'll automatically be running.

[01:50:40] It's like, I don't know.

[01:50:42] There's just, they added a ton of cool stuff to it.

[01:50:44] And like, I'm excited.

[01:50:45] I I'm probably going to end up streaming that.

[01:50:47] Hmm.

[01:50:48] Um, that'd be cool.

[01:50:49] It's really fun.

[01:50:51] And, uh, there's also another one which I, I believe I streamed a little bit last weekend.

[01:50:57] Um,

[01:50:59] Oh, the Dragon Ball one with the really bad, bad, um, balancing issues.

[01:51:03] Yeah.

[01:51:03] That game is not balanced at all because everyone is way stronger than they should be right up to bat.

[01:51:09] See, there's a lot of ROM hacks that I remember where it's like there, for some reason, the Pokemon community just loves their horror.

[01:51:17] ROM hacks where they make the game like unnecessarily dark.

[01:51:21] I mean, I'd fuck around with one of those.

[01:51:24] I mean, some of them are classic.

[01:51:26] So some of them are just fucking cringe, like, uh, edgelord cringe.

[01:51:30] But I remember like, I was going to say, like, I remember playing a lot of like lost silver, like creepy black back in the day.

[01:51:39] Hmm. I wonder if there's a ROM hack that swaps up the Pokemon for Digimon.

[01:51:44] Probably.

[01:51:45] That'd be interesting.

[01:51:48] I don't know. I'm just like, I like that.

[01:51:50] Those are probably the Pokemon games that I ended up playing is the ROM hacks just, just for the fun of it.

[01:51:55] You know, the, the novelty of it, like the dual monsters one, like that one is probably what I'm actually going to play all the way through.

[01:52:01] I like the gag ones too.

[01:52:02] Like the, the Bidoof version where it's just every character is Bidoof.

[01:52:07] That's just silly.

[01:52:11] But yeah.

[01:52:13] Yeah.

[01:52:42] Yeah.

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