Geek Addicts - Episode 44: Discussing The Dragon Ball Super Manga #1!

[00:00:05] The following is a GNC Podcast production. Welcome to Geek Addicts, a pop culture podcast.

[00:00:41] Hello everybody and welcome back to Geek Addicts, the pop culture podcast where we take a look

[00:00:46] at various forms of pop culture media over the years. I am Bill and this is Matt. How

[00:00:50] you doing, Matt?

[00:00:51] I'm doing well. How are you?

[00:00:54] I am tired and it's been a week.

[00:00:59] It sure has, but it's a long weekend. So that's something that's something to be happy about.

[00:01:05] It is a long weekend. It's supposed to be nice too for once so that's a good sign.

[00:01:13] Yeah, it's supposed to be, I think down here, I keep seeing different things.

[00:01:16] It keeps saying it could be anywhere from low 70s to low to mid 80s. I have no idea what it's

[00:01:23] actually going to be. Yeah, it changes on a dime. For us, it's looking like it's going to be high

[00:01:30] 70s, low 80s. I'm into that. Tomorrow is supposed to be really nice apparently.

[00:01:43] That's good. That's good. This episode will be coming out a couple weeks after the fact,

[00:01:51] but this week we released one of the old pilot episodes.

[00:01:59] Yes, we did.

[00:02:01] And I realized as I was listening to it that that was actually the third one we had done

[00:02:08] that night. Yeah.

[00:02:11] And I was pretty, I was pretty loose by that point. I was drinking these really strong cocktail drinks

[00:02:17] that night and like if you listen to them in the order we recorded them, you can hear me getting

[00:02:21] progressively drunker, but since y'all just got thrown in at episode three, I was just already

[00:02:26] there. Yeah, I'm going to be releasing them pretty much out of order. So once, I haven't

[00:02:33] decided which the next one I'm going to throw up or when it's going to go up, but

[00:02:38] expect to see those and you can see how the show kind of got thrown together.

[00:02:43] Yeah, I just thought it was funny. I was a lot more energetic on that episode than I think I've

[00:02:51] been on any episode of Geek Addicts. Yeah. Well, I think the most energetic one we did was the

[00:02:59] final one, the one that was kind of a separate recording we did later on. I won't spoil it,

[00:03:03] but it's a topic we've technically already done for Geek Addicts. Yeah.

[00:03:09] Yeah, so having that as well as listening to it, I noticed that we brought up Peter Mullenew

[00:03:18] and then 3DO came up the next day and you guys also brought up Peter Mullenew. So I'm really

[00:03:24] hoping that the GNC that comes out this week will also bring him up. Just have a three

[00:03:27] quick. Well, unfortunately the GNC episodes have been recorded months in advance, well,

[00:03:32] weeks in advance. So I don't want to be the bearer of bad news, but we would talk, well,

[00:03:41] it'd already be out by the time this comes out. It was an episode on the Pokémon anime because

[00:03:45] it was supposed to be in kind of a tribute to the Actress from Misty, who had passed away

[00:03:50] around the time we recorded it. Gotcha. You guys doing a lot of Pokémon episodes lately,

[00:03:55] huh? Yeah, that was a bit of a thing that happened. We probably gonna take a break for a little bit.

[00:04:03] Thank you, Atcha. We weren't really supposed to do two.

[00:04:05] Oh, good. I was gonna say we weren't really supposed to do two in a row. This one kind of

[00:04:09] just came up because the topic that we did the following week we weren't ready to do yet.

[00:04:15] Yeah, we got some projects in the works. Yeah.

[00:04:22] Yeah. It's kind of a similar thing of how we did a Dragon Ball episode that immediately

[00:04:29] did like a whole month on Toriyama. Yeah, it kind of been prompted just because of

[00:04:33] obvious reasons. Yeah, I gotcha. This was also Alex, we needed a topic and trying to find

[00:04:42] a topic with Alex sometimes is a struggle. So I get that. I get that. Yeah, I feel that way

[00:04:50] too because there's been friends and family and stuff that I would like to have on. And I know

[00:04:56] me and Thracar talked on the Discord recently about having a big GNC group episode at some point.

[00:05:04] And I was telling them, I think the hardest part would be finding a topic that all four of us

[00:05:08] can talk about. Yeah, Alex is kind of the wild card there because she has very specific interests.

[00:05:17] Yeah. I mean, someday GNC is coming up on its 200th episode. We're in the countdown.

[00:05:23] We got 10 more episodes until 200. I still don't know 100% what we're going to do for that.

[00:05:33] I don't know. I don't know what the giant brainstorm on that. I mean, you have a little bit of time.

[00:05:41] Yeah. I have ideas, but at the moment they're all just ideas.

[00:05:47] So with all the Pokemon episodes, are you planning on playing the Game Club for September?

[00:05:54] I'd like to, but I have, like most Game Clubs, I have no idea if I'll have the time.

[00:06:00] Well, at least that one will be convenient because it's already on your switch automatically.

[00:06:07] I mean, I have it. It's more just one of those things where it's like,

[00:06:11] I don't know when I'll have the time.

[00:06:15] Yeah, I feel you. I barely have time to play games. I just casually let alone once with the

[00:06:21] deadline. Yeah, I feel you. Well, that's what I feel like would be easier for me to do because

[00:06:28] I've played it before and quite a bit actually back in the day. And honestly, not that long

[00:06:34] ago I played the remake. So I mean, it's kind of all, like I know the courses to take to play this one.

[00:06:40] So I think it'll be a little bit easier for me to get through it in time.

[00:06:43] Yeah. I failed hard with Grim Fandango.

[00:06:47] See, my thing is I'll never, I don't like to commit to any of the Game Club like

[00:06:52] games just because I have, I never know if I'll have the time to play them.

[00:06:55] Unless it's like a game that I know I can like knock out like in a minute or so.

[00:07:00] But it's the same with like, it's the same with my blogs. I have like three blogs I'm writing over

[00:07:07] there but I don't have any release dates because I just don't have time to write

[00:07:12] like ever because I'm always working on something else. I have way too many projects.

[00:07:17] That's kind of my problem right now. I've been wanting to write another one but I,

[00:07:23] there's just been a lot of shit going on. Oh, I didn't even tell you freaking out. A couple

[00:07:26] days ago, I don't know if you heard it from like, you know, pages or whatever that you still follow

[00:07:31] from this area but some lady like literally flipped her car right in front of her house the other day.

[00:07:39] I saw Cindy had posted something on that. Yeah, it was fucking wild.

[00:07:45] Everyone all right? Or? To my knowledge she's fine.

[00:07:51] But Cindy was real freaked out about it because she was the first person on the scene.

[00:07:54] She watched it happen like literally right in front of our house. It was fucking crazy.

[00:08:00] How fast was she going? I mean, too fast. I mean, all the listeners know you can all hear.

[00:08:09] It kind of terrifies me how fast some people drive on your street especially because the

[00:08:13] cul-de-s-se, the roundabouts right there. They have to brake pretty quick.

[00:08:19] Well, that's why people use it to pick up speed rather than slow down.

[00:08:22] And yeah, kind of wish they put the lights back there but.

[00:08:27] Yeah, just like regular stoplight would be nice. Apparently from what my mom told me,

[00:08:32] it was cheaper to put the roundabout in than it was to put new lights. So.

[00:08:37] That figured. Yeah. Yeah, that must have been.

[00:08:41] I would like the only state that still uses roundabouts.

[00:08:45] I mean, no, there's still a few in Connecticut. It's a New England thing though, definitely.

[00:08:52] I mean, at least we know how to use them up here. Some people don't.

[00:08:58] Yeah, so we're going to go on all these things that I mentioned in the podcast and privately with

[00:09:02] you, Bill. All these things actually happen. It's fucking wild how much this shit just happens

[00:09:06] right in front of us or to us. I had a guy straight up just try to run me off the

[00:09:13] road yesterday. Like he just started coming into my lane and I'm like blaring the horn.

[00:09:19] He just kept coming. I was like, okay. Great.

[00:09:22] That's fucking wild. Yeah.

[00:09:25] Wild.

[00:09:26] Yeah, people kind of suck, but that's life. This is true.

[00:09:35] So kind of unrelated, but when me and Thrac record 3DO, we usually have like at least

[00:09:42] an hour long, like after show that we don't record, but we just shoot the shit about

[00:09:46] random stuff. Yeah.

[00:09:49] Somehow like we ended up getting into a fucking conversation about Weird Al Yankovic and like

[00:09:54] been on a fucking Weird Al binge for like two days now.

[00:09:57] That's why I got funny.

[00:09:59] Oh man, so many fucking iconic songs.

[00:10:03] Wasn't it like, wasn't he was in, it's called Pilgrim that he's in the anime?

[00:10:10] Yeah. He's the narrator for the episode about the documentary of the film set.

[00:10:18] That's fucking wild.

[00:10:20] He's the narrator for that.

[00:10:23] That is so crazy.

[00:10:26] Yeah, it's just, it's funny how many of his parodies like I'll hear the song playing and

[00:10:33] I just immediately think of the Weird Al, like Thrac was playing, he was streaming

[00:10:37] his Genesis stream last night and he had, he was playing Michael Jackson's Moonwalker.

[00:10:42] And when Beat It was playing, I'm just sitting in the background going like, just eat it.

[00:10:50] It just like gets in your head like that and you just can't, it's like whatever I think of a

[00:10:56] gangsters paradise, I immediately think of Amish paradise.

[00:11:00] That happens to me with like all the like parody songs that I hear.

[00:11:03] It just gets rooted in my brain.

[00:11:06] Like Yu-Gi-Oh! bridged, like I mean not that I was a huge fan anyway, but it kind of ruined

[00:11:11] all Lady Gaga songs for me because he did so many parodies on Lady Gaga.

[00:11:17] Yeah, it's like whenever I hear Raiden, like you're never gonna,

[00:11:20] you're never gonna hear the song Raiden without hearing White and Dirty.

[00:11:24] Oh yeah. I literally, that's the song I sing whenever Raiden Dirty comes on.

[00:11:30] Yeah. Well, it's funny that White and Dirty is so like iconic now that people like refer to

[00:11:40] Raiden as Raiden Dirty despite it actually just being called Raiden.

[00:11:44] Kind of sad he ended up being just a one hit wonder but...

[00:11:50] Yeah, it happens a lot.

[00:11:53] Yeah. Oh man. I still think my favorite part of the music video for that song is him vandalizing

[00:11:58] Atlantic Records Wikipedia page because they denied him...

[00:12:05] Atlantic Records famously, he was gonna do a parody of James Blunt's song You're Beautiful as

[00:12:12] You're Pitiful but Atlantic Records said no because they were afraid he would become a one

[00:12:18] hit wonder which he did anyways. But yeah, so like Al in the video for the line that says

[00:12:25] I add Wikipedia, it shows him he's editing the Atlantic Records Wikipedia page just and

[00:12:30] he's just writing in giant bold letters you suck. It actually led to something that still

[00:12:37] persists to this day people will constantly try to vandalize Atlantic Records Wikipedia page

[00:12:42] with you suck to the point where it's I guess a semi-protected page now.

[00:12:47] Yo buddy, that kind of reminds me last night Sydney and I were just kind of hanging out

[00:12:53] having a snack before we went to bed and we were like, oh let's just throw on something

[00:12:57] let's just throw on something like you know casual funny whatever. And I was like,

[00:13:02] oh yeah let's watch an episode of Kaguya sama because she's still she's towards the end of

[00:13:07] season two right now. Oh nice. And of course the episode that came on was the one where

[00:13:13] we get the background in Ishikami. I was like, is it the sad episode? Yeah it was the sad episode.

[00:13:19] What the fuck? I was like, I didn't know about a feel. I wanted to laugh.

[00:13:24] Yeah I still love the narrator like towards like the end of season three where he's all like,

[00:13:28] oh my god they're finally gonna do it they're gonna say they're gonna confess and it's like

[00:13:32] no nobody wins. I think that's the next episode and I'm looking forward to it. Oh my god and I

[00:13:40] also um Sydney and I the other day watched the first couple episodes of Go Stories that was uh

[00:13:45] that was something. I've heard very good things about that one. I'm actually the uh so the final

[00:13:51] volume of the barato anime just came out so I have the full thing now. I'm like sitting here

[00:13:57] thinking like I should probably finish that. Yeah that's fair. I mean I got halfway through it and

[00:14:05] then I just stopped because that show is that show is like the epitome of up and down.

[00:14:13] Well see I at least would have watched all the episodes that cover the stuff I've read in the manga

[00:14:20] but I can't download those episodes on Hulu for some reason on my phone

[00:14:26] and like that's kind of how I watch a lot of the shows that I catch up on. It's the same reason

[00:14:30] I'm kind of at a standstill with Bleach right now is because I can't do it with that one either so

[00:14:36] yeah I just I figure like barato's been like this ongoing thing I've been watching since it came out

[00:14:42] and I'm like I should really finish this now that it's like all of its dubbed and it's here because

[00:14:49] it's it's been sitting on my uh my any list uh racking page for so long at this point.

[00:14:58] Yeah it's better shows you can watch. Yeah but I want to see that that I want to clear

[00:15:04] out some of the ones that I started and never finished. That's fair that's fair. I still got

[00:15:10] to finish Hunter Hunter too I never finished that one. You didn't get very far on that one did you?

[00:15:15] No we didn't we so that was back when me and Alex only did so initially when we were doing

[00:15:20] anime swaps we didn't do full series we only what we did either movies or we watched like the first

[00:15:26] like five episodes or so of a show. Yeah because I know for that one it was Hunter Hunter and

[00:15:32] Omi of all things. Yeah we got five episodes and I liked what I watched but I just never

[00:15:39] I just haven't ever had the time to get back to it. It gets pretty fun it gets pretty fun definitely

[00:15:45] I wish there was more of it but what are you gonna do? It's like black glober it just kind of ends

[00:15:51] and you're like damn. Yeah well I don't know we'll see who might end up getting more who knows

[00:16:01] um I don't know I'm kind of in a weird place right now where like once I once I finished catching up

[00:16:05] with One Piece like I kind of feel like I want to re-watch some of the shows that I watched a long

[00:16:11] time ago like I couldn't tell you the last time I watched like Fully Coolie. I have the Blu-ray

[00:16:17] for that I really gotta sit down and watch it at some point and I never watched like the

[00:16:21] follow-up that came out a few years ago so I was thinking about like once I catch up with

[00:16:26] with One Piece I'll re-watch that and watch the follow-up and I also really want to re-watch Blurk

[00:16:35] Berserk because it's been a very very long time. See I have a ton of like 13 episodes like or 26

[00:16:42] series that I have like the Blu-ray sets for. I really just want to knock a bunch of those out

[00:16:48] because I feel like those are so much easier to like get through than full series but

[00:16:54] no I didn't get through those in that good afternoon. Yeah a lot of them and I'm

[00:16:59] three-day weekend family Alex my mom are going to New York for the day tomorrow so I'm literally

[00:17:05] gonna have nothing to do plus I'm kind of financially strapped for a bit because of

[00:17:10] conventions and bills and whatnot so I might chill. I also got Moga to read though

[00:17:16] because the new chainsaw man in Sakamoto Days volumes came out and I want to

[00:17:20] keep up with those. Here's your totally watch, I don't know who's at that.

[00:17:27] I have the DVD like sitting on my shelf I just need to sit I was gonna do it last week

[00:17:34] but um what happens oh yeah like for some reason on Monday when I was gonna do it

[00:17:39] I was just super tired and I fell asleep on the couch and slept the thing most of the day.

[00:17:43] Oh I was getting excited but I so I don't know if you knew that yeah Yen Press has been

[00:17:49] putting out audiobooks for a lot of their light novel stuff.

[00:17:53] They finally started releasing official audiobooks for Bacchano and I'm so excited about it.

[00:17:59] I gotta look into that because if they have a if they have an audiobook for my happy marriage

[00:18:06] the light novel I actually want to read that I'll listen to that because I just don't have time to read.

[00:18:14] They might honestly I'm not sure. I'll have to look into that because um

[00:18:19] the my half I have all of the my happy marriage light novels and I'm like

[00:18:24] that it sounds like season two is like still a while away and I really want to know what happens next.

[00:18:30] So I've been uh I've been catching up on the sort of online audiobooks

[00:18:35] which at first I was really excited about because they're read by Bryce Papinbrook and

[00:18:40] Jeremy Lee which you know there's like the main the main two of that show.

[00:18:47] Uh I quickly discovered that Bryce Papinbrook does not know how to do voices for audiobooks.

[00:18:52] He's really really bad. Yeah like he's great when he's like playing a character in a show.

[00:18:59] Like I love him as a voice actor and like animes and stuff but like holy

[00:19:03] shit his his audiobook voices are bad. They sound like a fucking muppet.

[00:19:09] See Bryce is like a very specific voice actor sometimes I swear like because like for years

[00:19:16] he was like pigeonholed into like he played just like the young like boy like teen boy characters

[00:19:21] and like he was stuck in that forever and then of course he he's now like famous because

[00:19:26] he played Aaron Yeager and Attack on Titan but um see when ironically like the somewhat

[00:19:32] relevant considering recent Nintendo Direct News but uh the role I always remember Bryce

[00:19:37] Papinbrook from is he played uh the character Asbel from the game Tales of Graces which is getting a

[00:19:45] a port to Nintendo Switch pretty soon which I am very excited for because that's my second

[00:19:49] favorite Tales game but uh yeah he plays the main character of that game and I that's kind

[00:19:53] of where I've always remembered his voice from and so whenever I hear it I was like hey it's

[00:19:57] that guy and then he's now he's fucking Aaron Yeager and everybody knows him so like I he made it big in the world

[00:20:04] yeah but but back to your original thing I'm not 100% sure if my happy marriage is on there

[00:20:09] but I'm fairly certain Shield Hero was on there I don't know you were into that for a while

[00:20:13] Shield Hero fell off really hard um for anyone who saw our top 20 our top 25 list

[00:20:20] yeah um trying to think I know I know they've been putting out a bunch of them

[00:20:24] I just can't remember all of them I don't remember if Slime is on there or not

[00:20:28] so Slime Slime's um the light novel I believe for Slime is by Kandasha so I'm not sure

[00:20:35] oh I see yeah um oh by the way Slime season three uh Jeff's kiss

[00:20:43] oh is that well it's not fully dubbed yet but like half of it's dubbed at this point

[00:20:48] so I've been watching it weekly whenever actually I'm gonna watch that after we're done done

[00:20:53] here but um fair enough I'll just wait till it's all out and then I'll I'll watch it all

[00:20:58] it's it's a long one it's like 24 episodes I think did we talk about last did we talk last week

[00:21:06] about how uh Juju Tsukaizen's like ending very soon yeah yeah we were talking about how like all

[00:21:11] these all like the the current gen like main shows are ending okay I yeah like the the manga

[00:21:20] from like the the current generation like I feel like our generations of mangas have outlived

[00:21:24] the current generations of mangas yeah it's weird isn't it like like dragon ball is still coming out

[00:21:32] nar like technically Naruto is still coming out bleach is still coming out one piece is still

[00:21:36] coming out like oh even like Inuyasha got yasha kine which just still has a manga technically

[00:21:42] going right now yeah it's just it's wild it's wild that I mean I I understand because I mean all

[00:21:51] these older shows like they were kind of made to be these these big shows that just go on forever

[00:21:57] and I feel like the new shows are made specifically to have clear endpoints that don't take

[00:22:04] decades to get to what's funny though is like everyone's saying with Juju kai's in like

[00:22:09] five more chapters there's still so much fucking shit that he hasn't explained it's like how's he

[00:22:13] gonna cram that all into five chapters yeah who knows well maybe maybe it's one of those things

[00:22:19] where he says juju tsukaizen's ending but really there's gonna be a juju tsukaizen too

[00:22:24] that would be a rug bowl um juju tsukaizen ship it in yeah the final act yep next generation

[00:22:33] so I mean could happen we you know we don't know we won't know until then but

[00:22:38] it's funny how like in the time since like juju tsukaizen's been and like all these new ones

[00:22:44] have been around like the Naruto sequel series has already gone by and finished the dragon ball

[00:22:49] sequel series has already gone by and finished all these funny things yeah bleach is still

[00:22:57] ongoing I think I don't know how many parts a thousand-year bloodbore is gonna have but

[00:23:03] I think they're on their third part now yeah it sounds like too all like a lot of the ongoing

[00:23:08] mongers that are left are getting close to endgame too because I know uh black clover is

[00:23:17] close because I think the author the writer's having a health issues so he's trying to wrap it up

[00:23:22] makes sense honestly the only show like new shonen that's still going and like seems to be like

[00:23:29] super strong well there's two of them but like the I'd say the current like modern ones right now are

[00:23:36] like chainsaw man and spy family yeah both of which are like the most probably the most fresh

[00:23:44] like we've had in a long time yeah I'd say so and for obviously different reasons but well yeah spy

[00:23:52] family is just a super unique concept and then chainsaw man is just chainsaw man is way better

[00:23:58] than I expected it to be yeah spy family is very wholesome and chainsaw man is not

[00:24:05] it's sometimes it's wholesome well I'm not saying it doesn't have its moments but you know

[00:24:12] uh or denji broke us people in half of his head so you know it's so weird like the current

[00:24:18] because I'm reading part two right now um and it's so weird that denji's not the main character anymore

[00:24:22] but he's still a prominent character at the same time yeah see I keep hearing that he's not the

[00:24:27] main character anymore and I don't know what that means like he's just not the focus or

[00:24:32] it's just kind of giving attention to the people or is he just straight up and relegated

[00:24:35] this eye character well no he's still a main character but the the focus of part two is the

[00:24:41] part two revolves around a completely new protagonist okay I won't spoil it just because I know you haven't

[00:24:47] ready yet but um yeah it's it's I'll get I'll get to it eventually yeah it's a completely different

[00:24:53] character but but denji's still around I have this week I've read a fair amount of rory kenchan

[00:24:59] that got up to uh I the last bit I read I finished off the whole bit with uh G. Naoto the guy with the eyes

[00:25:07] oh yeah and make a progress with that laying on the ground

[00:25:14] make a progress on that oh yeah streaming Kenshin you know how it goes yeah it's more prominent

[00:25:23] in the 90s anime because that's all she seemed to be able to do also the thing that the the

[00:25:29] the eye guy wears is like literally the same thing gambit wears he kind of looks like a f***ed up gambit

[00:25:35] kind of like a samurai like I was wondering what the f*** that was I guess I got like body suit

[00:25:42] yeah I kind of got modal combat vibes from him too yeah he's like somewhere between gambit and raiden

[00:25:50] raiden or kung lao like the spiky hat like the razor blade hat yeah yeah that's weird

[00:25:58] but uh yeah I think we've waffled on all we've waffled for 20 sit 26 minutes

[00:26:04] we do have a topic for this episode um we're actually speaking of manga we're returning to

[00:26:09] another our first manga retrospective we've done since we finished a pokemon for the time being

[00:26:16] um you want to explain our new series we're going to try doing well uh the basic idea is

[00:26:23] we're going to kind of cycle through a few different manga series starting with dragon ball super

[00:26:30] um I'm not 100% sure which ones we're going to move to um like which specific ones are

[00:26:37] going to be cycling through but uh this one is definitely one of them because

[00:26:43] to anyone who watched the super anime and hasn't read the super manga there's

[00:26:47] a lot of differences between the two which is it's interesting because um with the original run

[00:26:55] of the manga and the anime like there was a the exception of biller there wasn't really a whole

[00:27:00] lot of difference there's very few things that were changed or added

[00:27:06] but with super super is a really interesting uh situation because it started out with the

[00:27:13] manga going the manga was originally supposed to be a promotional thing kind of like um

[00:27:20] kind of like how the super dragon ball heroes anime is for the game um so it wasn't meant to be

[00:27:27] like its own like actual like fully realized manga with its own story lines and stuff the

[00:27:33] way it's become now so it started out originally um kind of like cutting some stuff up as we'll

[00:27:44] talk about once we start covering the stuff we read so far but I think it was about mid universe six

[00:27:51] because the manga came out first but around mid universe six arc the anime overtook the manga and

[00:27:58] the manga didn't re- overtake the anime until the anime had been done for about a year yeah um

[00:28:06] yeah so this is my first time reading uh the dragon ball super manga this was matt matt's

[00:28:13] read it before probably a couple times i'm guessing right especially these early volumes yeah

[00:28:18] yeah so this was completely fresh for me I will say I haven't watched the anime in probably a year or

[00:28:25] so year year or two um although I've seen I've seen the super anime 100 all the way through

[00:28:31] at least three times so I have at least some I've got pretty good memory of what happens

[00:28:37] well I watched it initially as it came out then I re-watched it when all the dvd sets came out

[00:28:42] and then me and alex did a watch back when we were living in her apartment way back when

[00:28:47] so that makes sense um we had all the time to watch anime but um yeah like um

[00:28:56] I have a pretty good idea of what happens in the anime like for the most part

[00:28:59] so reading this it was very fascinating to see the very subtle differences especially early on

[00:29:06] yeah I mean they get a lot more overt the further along you go I mean Goku Black is

[00:29:12] significantly different in a lot of ways yeah for sure like I noticed a lot of things and I was

[00:29:17] like oh wow this is very different but then some things happen exactly the same it's interesting

[00:29:24] well because wasn't it like the so the the manga is a bit of a fib the well the the so it's written by

[00:29:32] Toriyama to a degree and drawn by uh Torotaru but isn't it like basically like Toriyama basically

[00:29:39] gives an outline and Tor Torotaru basically pieces it together from that well then the joke

[00:29:45] among the fan base is that Toriyama wrote bullet points on a napkin and that was basically

[00:29:50] his contribution to the story yeah like it says on the on the spine that it was written by Toriyama

[00:29:56] but like I believe it's basically been confirmed that Torotaru technically puts it together for the

[00:30:02] most part I mean there was some little blurbs at the end of the volumes where it would show

[00:30:06] like where Toriyama would like kind of correct some of his um some of his drawings and stuff

[00:30:10] which is cool I did like that because like that is kind of cool like how he would like show his

[00:30:15] original version and then show how Toriyama was like none of this is how you do this yeah

[00:30:20] you know kind of showing like his journey along you know learning how to do it and stuff

[00:30:24] because like before we get into the the content I did want to bring up like Torotaru's art

[00:30:29] is really really good yeah it's definitely and later once we get to the later arcs you'll

[00:30:36] see it definitely evolves as it goes um although there are a lot of people who

[00:30:43] I've seen some some side-by-side images before and uh he might be a little guilty of tracing

[00:30:51] I mean yeah it happens with a lot yeah but I mean whatever Kenji Yamamoto was guilty of plagiarism

[00:31:00] too and his shit was baller so you'd be amazed how many uh how many comic book artists trace

[00:31:08] there's a I won't name names but there's a there's a very specific comic artist who gets all of his like

[00:31:13] a lot of his art he traces from like real-world magazine photos and porn so

[00:31:18] Jesus Christ oh if you see if you see some of the women he draws you'd be like oh yeah I know where

[00:31:23] this came from I won't name names but those who follow comic lore probably know who I'm talking

[00:31:29] about um fair enough yeah but that's besides the point I will say like his artwork I I like it

[00:31:37] like it feels very dragon ball yeah for sure for sure um so yeah I don't know if you want to just

[00:31:44] jump right into battle of gods the like four pages of it yeah it's yeah I was shocked how little

[00:31:54] they actually do a battle of gods it's half of the first volume is battle gods and then they leap

[00:32:02] from right over Frieza and then just kind of say it was like a little like excerpt uh when universe

[00:32:08] six is starting it's like and Frieza showed up and they defeated him and he was gold and then they

[00:32:13] turned blue and that yeah like literally literally like nothing I was like wow not even an image I

[00:32:21] was kind I had two I had kind of a split feeling on this battle of gods I was a bit bummed um just

[00:32:29] because I I love that movie but at the same time I am so fucking tired of it at this point

[00:32:35] yeah which in that way I do feel a little bit a little bit happier about the fact that they

[00:32:41] kind of just left leapfrogged over it um I was amazed because Frieza they just

[00:32:46] fucking like yeah that happened that was like uh yeah that was I wasn't expecting them to go that far

[00:32:52] with that one but I mean hey whatever that's probably the only reason the amaga had any sort of a

[00:32:57] lead on the anime at any point it was because they just skipped that whole thing which is really

[00:33:03] funny to me because like you said earlier it was for promotion it's like they're promoting something

[00:33:07] they're just skipping over it I guess I mean to be fair by the by the time the manga came out

[00:33:12] the the movie had already in fact the movie I think it only come out like a few months before that so

[00:33:19] through to me it's interesting because like I've always I've said it in our Dragon Ball episode

[00:33:23] before in the past but I've always been under the impression that like battle of gods I think was

[00:33:28] a better movie than the anime's adaption of it but I think the anime handled resurrection f a lot

[00:33:32] better than the resurrection f filmed it yeah I I think some of the action scenes in the

[00:33:39] resurrection f arc were pretty rough but the like character stuff was a lot better yeah the actual

[00:33:45] progression because they actually had time to flesh stuff out not just like freezes back fight

[00:33:51] the end yeah but yeah I mean we with the battle of god stuff it's like literally we get a little

[00:33:58] we get that beginning part where Goku's farming and go 10 drives up the cliff

[00:34:03] of and then we see Beerus having dinner on a planet which I believe this happened

[00:34:10] differently in the anime correct yeah it was kind of like similar but not exact that's why I believe

[00:34:21] like Toriyama made the point and then like we got two very different interpretations of it

[00:34:27] yeah because I think in the anime Beerus is just like oh this poop is kind of kind of too greasy

[00:34:32] so I'm gonna blow up half your planet yeah in the manga version here instead of that they try to poison

[00:34:40] Beerus and Beerus is just like yeah you're all dead he's like you stupid fucks yeah pretty much

[00:34:46] he's like you really thought that was gonna work yeah I was kind of bummed though because we

[00:34:51] lost like great comedic moments like um I tracked her like stuff like that but yeah um that's that's

[00:35:00] fine I did like oh good I was gonna say like the uh like those scenes I kind of miss but at the

[00:35:06] same time they don't they won't hit the same without like the voice acting so I get like

[00:35:11] understand so I wanted to ask how do you feel about like the little the little drawings

[00:35:18] that we get at the end of each chapter oh the little like sometimes they're they're like a gag

[00:35:23] or sometimes they're like a what if kind of thing yeah they're cute I like them yeah I liked um with

[00:35:30] the battle of gods one where well at the end of one of the chapters it shows Vegeta in front of a

[00:35:35] tea like an aerobics show doing a bingo like practicing the dance and then at the end

[00:35:40] of the very next chapter it's just him going I didn't get to do my dance yeah I like I like

[00:35:47] the little jokes like that they're cute um I will say the writing wise characters feel very

[00:35:52] much in character I haven't there wasn't any moments where I was like yeah yeah for sure um

[00:36:01] so yeah we pretty much leapfrog right over that because that was a whole lot of nothing

[00:36:07] yeah very much um and it's straight to universe six

[00:36:13] this one is weird to me how like it is both abridged but it does cover the entire story at

[00:36:18] the same time as well yeah I thought it was interesting that they didn't really um

[00:36:24] it didn't really like cover a whole lot with frost because in the anime it made a big deal about

[00:36:28] how frost was like actually like a space pirate kind of where he would like you know hire

[00:36:34] underground people to destroy planets and then pretend like he's a good guy coming in

[00:36:38] saving or whatever they kind of didn't do any of that they just made him cheat and that was what made

[00:36:44] him bad in the manga yeah they didn't really go super crazy into it um I found the frost fight

[00:36:53] kind of underwhelming in the manga I think it's just because he was like you said he was more

[00:36:56] fleshed out in the anime yeah they definitely gave him more attention in the anime version

[00:37:01] I also noticed um they um they didn't make the gag about how like we show up he's like

[00:37:11] these stairs are these bleachers are awful boring and he redes them

[00:37:16] in this one they're just the standard boring bleachers for the entire fight

[00:37:22] yeah um yeah they kind of skip over a lot of those like little character moments which is

[00:37:26] a little bit of a bummer but I'm kind of brain farting is Krillin just bald in the manga or does

[00:37:31] he have hair apparently he's bald in the manga because yeah I know I noticed that too um because

[00:37:37] I never picked up on that before but when I was reading it this past time I realized that

[00:37:41] he was bald for that and maybe maybe that was supposed to be like in reference to resurrection

[00:37:45] F because he just shaved in that movie yeah and then it grows back but I guess that memo wasn't

[00:37:53] written in the notes uh Tartar got so um I also will note that uh I'm assuming because she has

[00:38:01] less screen time and because she's not voiced but she she's a lot less annoying in this manga

[00:38:06] yeah well she's also not given a whole lot of time so no she has a few brief moments in um

[00:38:12] the bleak like on the bleachers um she doesn't jump on the ground when Goku gets knocked out of

[00:38:18] the fight like she did in the previous one well she does but not as dramatically as she did

[00:38:23] the other one yeah um I did like uh I I did like Vegeta Vegeta and Kaba's fight though they

[00:38:30] I feel like they did that one justice that that was good I actually kind of liked it more than the

[00:38:36] anime version which is weird because it they're pretty much the same for the most part

[00:38:41] yeah I mean it's like some small subtle differences that they're not super obvious

[00:38:47] but it's just like little um little character interaction moments that are slightly different

[00:38:52] I like the uh they showed a lot of the audience in the background like their reactions to like Bulma's

[00:38:58] reaction to his fight like she's very much like what the fuck are you doing Vegeta yeah Universe 6

[00:39:04] actually had an audience yeah I did notice that too which is interesting I didn't recognize like

[00:39:09] none of the races looked like they belonged like as fans of the people who were fighting but

[00:39:14] hmm another thing I noticed too was um they cut certain aspects like they uh they cut out the whole

[00:39:21] Vegeta surviving falling out of the thing by like standing on that one tiny pebble yeah well I mean

[00:39:29] I mean some of that stuff some of that stuff I feel like wouldn't translate very well between

[00:39:33] animation and um like still images you know yeah like the way that they um the way that they

[00:39:40] kind of like uh framed it like I guess they cut that it actually honestly it does Vegeta a better

[00:39:47] service because like in the in the anime it just made Vegeta feel kind of pathetic

[00:39:52] it's like he only survived because of this and it was like oh great yeah he took down might get a

[00:39:58] lot easier in uh in this dispersion of that I actually love how they handled that fight where

[00:40:06] like he just throws all the insults and then just wins and it cuts that panel of his face up close

[00:40:11] and he's like what the fuck just happens yeah and then we get a little blurb explaining that the

[00:40:18] the race is very sensitive and it's like yeah that's funny yeah I love how like we always

[00:40:24] reveal through these things after the fact we say oh yeah by the way they have this one

[00:40:30] crippling weakness like you could have told us that sooner like so I have to say you

[00:40:34] wouldn't learn anything this manga actually like proved my thought that weis isn't just a voice

[00:40:41] because like for a while I thought the reason weis was so likable is because these voices

[00:40:45] by Ian Sinclair but reading the manga like now we's just a great character in general yeah and

[00:40:49] he's just a sassy bitch and we love him for it I love how he's a sassy bitch and then his sister

[00:40:54] vatos is literally an even more sassy bitch uh yeah yeah vatos is great I always love any

[00:41:03] time we get some time with her yeah well I like because they're basically the same character

[00:41:08] they just they just basically they just well she she actively shits on her god of destruction

[00:41:14] weis is more kind of like just sarcastic with him yeah we's just kind of camp about it yeah uh

[00:41:23] what did you think of Goku and hit I I liked this version um I understand why they went

[00:41:30] the different route here uh well first of all we got Super Saiyan God again this early

[00:41:36] which in the in the anime we didn't get Super Saiyan God again until

[00:41:40] mid-term and a power right I forgot brawling technically came out first though uh well the

[00:41:51] before the dub because I was double only so I saw brawling before the dub was oh yeah that's

[00:41:56] right brawling did come up before tournament of power was down over here didn't it yeah

[00:42:01] huh oh yeah but regardless of that it didn't it technically doesn't come back until um until

[00:42:10] a tournament of power but yeah so it was really cool getting that uh a lot earlier here and um

[00:42:17] even I like Goku's okay I like Goku's reasoning forward to like his whole because Vegeta

[00:42:24] Vegeta loses to hit very quickly because he he fucking um does the Vegeta thing and like

[00:42:30] goes in gung-ho and doesn't take time to learn what its deal is and gets taken out in a minute it's

[00:42:36] like oh yeah because it actually gets revealed in uh in the manga here that um the transformation

[00:42:43] itself for Super Saiyan blue drains so much energy that if you use it turn it off and

[00:42:48] use it again you're actually at like less than 10% of like your maximum potential blue so like

[00:42:54] you you're severely down downgrading if you use it more than once excuse me

[00:43:02] yeah it was like one of those things where um I like that they gave a bit more of a revelation

[00:43:09] just to god form because god form always felt so pointless after blue was introduced in the uh

[00:43:16] this show because like even in like the tournament of power when like they use god form like they don't

[00:43:22] really explain why he's using it he just is using it for some reason yeah but it when they explain

[00:43:28] it in the manga they say this is just the more balanced the more balanced for it it's honestly

[00:43:34] the same kind of um explanation that goku gives in the cell games when when they when Goku and

[00:43:40] Gohan took all their time learning how to like make Super Saiyan feel as natural as their normal forms

[00:43:47] because that was the best like most well-rounded form out of everything they had at the time

[00:43:52] and that's essentially what he's doing here with Super Saiyan god

[00:43:56] what's funny to me though is like the way they kind of explain that because the the anime did a

[00:44:00] really poor job of explaining that blue is very taxing on the uh on both of them

[00:44:06] yeah um which is interesting because i believe Super Saiyan 3 is still more taxing because

[00:44:11] Super Saiyan 3 is kind of fucking useless now that i think about it yeah i was just really

[00:44:15] disappointing how they they did Super Saiyan 3 dirty i find it really interesting though that

[00:44:21] Vegeta can do like god form and Super Saiyan blue but he still can't do Super Saiyan 3

[00:44:26] i think at this point he doesn't care well yeah because it's completely useless to him at

[00:44:31] this point but like i just find it interesting he never figured it out yeah um well i mean i'm

[00:44:38] sure he theoretically he can do it he just chooses not to yeah well i like to think Vegeta just

[00:44:45] knowing the Vegeta we know that he can't and that's just kind of a stickling a sticking point for him

[00:44:51] that's fair because like Goku will occasionally bring out Super Saiyan 3 every now and then

[00:44:57] it's always like why are you using that it's completely useless yeah so Goku Goku's a big

[00:45:05] like strategy fighting hit was he was using uh Super Saiyan god instead of blue and then like

[00:45:11] at one point he switched to blue real fast to get an edge on him um i also like how like the way

[00:45:18] they portrayed hit because hit is one of my favorite characters from super like in just

[00:45:22] in terms of like new original characters um i like how they portrayed him here where he's like

[00:45:28] first he's like super stoic but then once he realizes Goku is like actually like a

[00:45:32] an actual challenge he gets really into it yeah for sure like they make the whole point about

[00:45:38] he's showing his stance at his leg his legs are no longer hidden it's like it's like that's

[00:45:43] kind of cool yeah that's his version of powering up you can see my legs he's actually taking

[00:45:50] it serious that that's his how he powers up i um i still did enjoy the whole um Goku basically

[00:45:58] just forfeiting the fight and then in understanding what was going on just forfeits himself just

[00:46:06] to because he doesn't give a shit it's just kind of like uh all right i'll give you this one guy

[00:46:11] you know yeah um kind of felt bad about that i will say i understand why they didn't do it

[00:46:18] because it would be kind of hard to portray in manga form but i the the lack of super saiblu kaioken

[00:46:28] true well granted there's no filler arc about Goku not being able to control his teleporting

[00:46:34] afterwards so it really doesn't have a purpose anymore well i mean it's just cool you know and

[00:46:40] the whole the whole concept of bringing back a technique that hasn't been used since like the

[00:46:45] Frieza saga like you know i think the thing is it's i think like you said earlier it's one of those

[00:46:52] things that's cooler in animation than it is in manga yeah let's see in the contrast between the

[00:46:57] blue and the red is what really makes it really cool um i forget what's the uh i can't remember

[00:47:04] his name right now what's the character that they're virus is using to trick Goku into fighting

[00:47:08] stronger uh monaca monaca yeah i felt so bad the monaca fight is hilarious because he like he

[00:47:15] try gives it his all and it's just like okay i get it it just done yeah gives up it was pretty great

[00:47:21] i love the shampoes just like ready to destroy them all and then just zeno shows up oh yeah is that

[00:47:28] zeno is interesting in the manga because he's like it's the same character but for some reason

[00:47:34] without his voice he feels more threatening in this one it's the blank stare you know yeah

[00:47:42] meanwhile goku is still the fucking goofball he is yeah also um i did notice that uh zeno's

[00:47:49] attendance at least in the manga uh they make dr slump references because they go by chat

[00:47:55] when they leave yeah which is a naralei thing um i was kind of bummed they didn't show the

[00:48:03] whole like acid trip of like going inside like super shenron but yeah because they kind of just

[00:48:10] glaze over the wish and then it's like it's off is like oh yeah i have a earth now cool well again

[00:48:15] that would be kind of hard to to accurately portray and have the same effect you know true

[00:48:24] um yeah so universe six overall i like that the fight i like that whole arc i like the minor

[00:48:30] differences um i will say though it's very interesting reading the manga because it is a quick read

[00:48:40] it really is yeah i think it's because dragon ball has never been a super dialogue heavy series in

[00:48:47] general i think it's mostly the the art speaks for itself which is a very good tactic when it

[00:48:54] comes to manga um the jack of all is interesting because like it really depends on which volume

[00:49:00] you're reading because some of them like sometimes we have a volume that's just a huge info dump or

[00:49:05] like lots of character interactions and then we'll get a volume that's nothing but battle and that's

[00:49:10] one that you get through in like 20 minutes because it's just not like you know nothing but

[00:49:16] punches kicks flying across you know the field or whatever you know yeah so there's no uh copy

[00:49:27] vegeta filler arc in the manga um which is fine to me because the best part of the copy vegeta

[00:49:34] filler arc is the fact that they got bryan drum into voicem so there's really nothing there

[00:49:40] then we get less trunks and goten doing nothing useful so i think that was just i think it was

[00:49:47] just a toey thing i don't think toriyama had anything to do with copy vegeta that's my guess

[00:49:52] too because because when they skipped it over entirely i was like yeah that's fine um i think

[00:49:58] they were just giving themselves some time to work out the logistics of the the trunk stuff

[00:50:03] which is the final arc we will be covering in this episode

[00:50:07] and the longest of the ones we've covered so far yeah which is funny because even that it

[00:50:11] still is a bridged to a degree it's still like three volumes well it's not even that it's a

[00:50:16] bridged it's more that they just cut out a lot of bullshit that the original that the animated

[00:50:21] version has because it sure which is weird too because it's completely different in a lot of

[00:50:28] ways too oh yeah it's easily the one with the most changes out of the ones we've we've covered so far

[00:50:37] yeah because it um uh where do you want to start i guess it's the best way to

[00:50:46] uh i don't know because it starts pretty much the same i mean the the one major thing is

[00:50:54] balma's already dead by the time the arc starts yeah we don't see balma die future balma future balma

[00:50:59] yeah also mai is a hell of a lot more developed in the manga oh yeah for sure like she's she's

[00:51:08] actually kind of like a fully realized character still they still don't really call much attention

[00:51:13] to the fact that she's been around Goku since he was 12 but at this point it gets it gets

[00:51:19] super weird especially the fact that like she's a she's it's basically all but confirm she's the

[00:51:25] romantic interest of future trunks so it's kind of like let's not dive too deep into the logistics

[00:51:31] of that because it gets really weird really fast yeah i think that's kind of their reasoning for

[00:51:37] we're not bringing it up because let's face it that uh if you were watching dragon ball back in

[00:51:45] the day and someone from the future popped up and told you oh yeah by the way future

[00:51:48] trunks love interest is is mai people would be like huh yeah right no shit um it makes sense in the

[00:51:56] context of super but it's one of those things you just don't think about too much hey he would get

[00:52:00] even weirder if they said hey future trunks and kid trunks is romance interests are both mai

[00:52:07] yeah which is really fucking funny in hindsight when you actually understand the context of it

[00:52:15] yeah it's it's pretty wild um to be fair though the the future mai and classic mai from a

[00:52:24] dragon ball original dragon ball are basically different characters pretty much i mean that's

[00:52:30] the thing with super is super is you know it's a little bit less so with the manga but mostly

[00:52:36] with the anime um a lot of the characters are really more caricatures true well even though themselves

[00:52:45] even then like going back to like uh original dragon ball other than pilaf like mai mai and

[00:52:51] shu are kind of just yes men they really don't do anything yeah that's true like the only real

[00:52:57] like moment with like mai i can think of is when she gets rejected by the sexist mountain

[00:53:02] in the filler arc at the end yeah that's true um although i always i always remember that one

[00:53:09] scene of original dragon ball where pilaf rips ass and then blames it on shu and then threatens to

[00:53:14] feed him to alligator isn't a myth that it was him yeah um yeah because like other than that like

[00:53:21] they don't appear in z like at all i think other than like they're giving energy during the

[00:53:27] the uh the final spirit bomb i don't think i don't even think they're in that i think it's only

[00:53:33] implied or something i don't know either way i or i'm misremembering i think i think going from

[00:53:39] the sexist mountain stuff i think that very next time we see them is the first episode of gt

[00:53:44] yeah and that version no longer exists so yeah um yeah so moving on from that like

[00:53:55] i will say though like writing wise mai and prunks gets a lot better interactions

[00:54:03] i'd say for sure um i i just i just realized this did we see gohan at all during any of the

[00:54:12] volumes we read um in the in yeah because he's there when they explain how god happened because

[00:54:23] vedel's there right right right okay so we saw him but he doesn't get a single line

[00:54:29] i don't think so now that i don't even think we i don't even think we saw him at all during the

[00:54:34] future trunk stuff which is weird did he go to the tournament in super like the the universe

[00:54:42] six tournament no he in both versions he had a conference yeah because i was remembering

[00:54:48] vedel's there would go hunts not yeah oh yeah because she brought she brought pan

[00:54:56] and it was one point where she covered pans eyes yeah because if she was beating the

[00:55:00] shit out of kava and she yeah because there's a shot of um because they show in the state

[00:55:06] the stands multiple times that chi chi 18 boma and vedel are all sitting next to each other

[00:55:11] because the wife gang's got to hang out there um all the baby machines got to hang out

[00:55:18] yeah kind of how worse than dragon ball yeah because she she's shown covering uh

[00:55:24] pans eyes and bulma's while bulma's lashing out at vegeta for being vegeta so oh wasn't

[00:55:32] the so uh what when we first catch up with like the present timeline um gang and we're seeing

[00:55:40] that little that lesson that um trunks and the pilaf gang are having for their little to school

[00:55:48] and she's explaining parallel worlds the teacher yeah time paradoxes i was like going this whole

[00:55:54] thing about time paradox is like well if trunks went back in time to share this apple with

[00:55:59] with his mother as a child and then she jokes that creates a parallel timeline where he

[00:56:04] didn't exist and then it's got my whole explanation and then she's like oh this was actually

[00:56:10] supposed to be a lesson for smart university today we're learning math my favorite line though is

[00:56:16] bulma walking and be like that's very nice and all it could do a lot without me dying though

[00:56:21] yeah right like i love bulma has always ridden so well because she's always sassy as fuck

[00:56:27] yeah no kidding oh we didn't even talk about bulma going to the uh the guy that knows everything

[00:56:35] oh zuno yeah well that was pretty much exactly the same as in the anime true the uh the scene

[00:56:40] though we're piccolo realizes why bulma and uh by goku vijita like their wives is still pretty

[00:56:46] funny though yeah for sure also i'm pretty sure that zuno scene is the first time we see jaco in

[00:56:53] the manga yeah because it's when he picks up um he picks up bulma and they still make the

[00:57:00] videos like don't do anything funny with my wife he's all like he's like you and then bulma beats him up

[00:57:08] yeah it's somehow funnier than his overall his overly exaggerated thing he does in the anime

[00:57:14] yeah for sure honestly jaco is a lot less annoying in the manga than he is in the anime

[00:57:21] yeah that's fair i mean i i i don't have anything

[00:57:26] like really negative about jaco like i like jaco i like him do agree but some of his lines in the

[00:57:31] anime were really annoying it was like just get on with it did you ever read his manga

[00:57:36] i haven't yet i gotta find it gotcha also uh bulma's sister like actually like appears

[00:57:44] like at the at uh capsule gorp in this version yeah isn't that bizarre like i wasn't expecting

[00:57:50] to see her in the manga is her name tights yes okay because they're all named after underwear

[00:57:57] that's right um yeah aside from that i mean they have their little um hangout conversation

[00:58:05] thing and then trunks just kind of appears yeah also uh my only gets knocked out once in this time

[00:58:13] she doesn't get double knocked out like she does in the anime yeah they only go they only go to

[00:58:19] the future twice as opposed to three times yeah because in the anime originally she gets knocked

[00:58:24] out there and then it shows her hand twitch and then she gets up at some point and then she gets

[00:58:29] knocked out again later on when they come back in this version they she gets knocked out and then

[00:58:34] she doesn't get revived until they come back and i love the explanation that they give about

[00:58:39] why she survived the attack like when we get to that yeah um also something i found really

[00:58:47] interesting is for a second i thought they were because they show uh when trunks escapes to the

[00:58:52] future they show uh goku black um he's uh he's messing around with the wire and i'm like okay

[00:59:00] they're gonna do the thing where he follows trunks to the future they don't they just

[00:59:05] completely cut that out entirely like there's no arc about they have to build another time

[00:59:09] machine because uh black destroys it there um i thought that was interesting yeah yeah that was

[00:59:18] kind of funny how he's just like yeah whatever i'll just wait and wait around and see what happens

[00:59:23] yeah it's funny to me how they there's a lot of the scenes they cut were just the needless

[00:59:28] like fluff that really wasn't necessary yeah and that's one of the things that i like

[00:59:32] about the manga version is it is it's short and sweet you know it's not overly complicated

[00:59:37] they somehow do more with less because um yeah they go trunks kind of goes through

[00:59:44] his old spiel of explaining i still like how biris is like she's because biris is all like

[00:59:49] yeah time travel that's illegal and then form was like oh funny how you mentioned that and

[00:59:53] it's like he's like he's like what the fuck is this like yeah i love that having a whole

[00:59:57] conversation about um time travel and parallel timelines and all this other stuff and

[01:00:02] that trunks just appears it's like like literally speak of the devil you know yeah um i also find

[01:00:10] it interesting so i completely forget like though so they go back to the future and then biris starts

[01:00:17] going on his uh his quest to figure out like who could be the cause of this goku black

[01:00:25] well i before we jump into that i do want to call attention to um goku and trunks's little sparring

[01:00:32] match right right right because the manga makes it seem like trunks is actually a lot stronger than

[01:00:39] he should be well yeah because don't they bring up like he still technically has some abilities

[01:00:46] he got from the kais well uh yeah they explain that a little bit later on but um it's one of

[01:00:52] those things like how i mentioned earlier how back in the cell games back when uh when goku and gohan

[01:00:58] decided oh super saiyan one is the best most balanced form we have right now so we're just

[01:01:02] going to perfect that and get the most out of that we can and they ended up being the strongest

[01:01:07] two in the group trunks essentially did the same thing with super saiyan two because when goku

[01:01:14] went super saiyan three and then trunks powered up they're like holy shit trunks is just as

[01:01:18] strong as goku is in super saiyan three which is wild to think about because a lot of people tend

[01:01:24] to think of the super saiyan forms is like oh like super saiyan is like this level of strength

[01:01:30] that super saiyan two is that level of strength but they're really multipliers so it's all based on

[01:01:34] what their base level is at that time so people are all saying three and they think boo level

[01:01:41] but goku super saiyan three now is like way fucking more powerful than he was back in the boo

[01:01:47] saga so trunks being able to match that in super saiyan two is fucking wild true granted our toriama

[01:01:56] also just completely will change how powers work on on like a whim so that's true but i feel like

[01:02:04] toriotaru um having some at least some creative freedom with the manga and being a fan from childhood

[01:02:11] i feel like he probably thinks a little bit more about the continuity than the toriama does

[01:02:17] true honestly yeah

[01:02:20] but i i just thought that was interesting even though we don't get his new form in this arc

[01:02:28] i still thought it was cool that he just like naturally just his base like he actually continued

[01:02:33] his training and and got a lot stronger like to the point where he probably could kill boo

[01:02:40] boo yeah honestly well doesn't it don't they imply that he did does kill boo oh no he prevents boo from ever appearing

[01:02:46] yeah he he uh kills bobby and debora before they are able to

[01:02:51] awaken which i like the explanation they actually gave for why they showed up so late

[01:02:56] because it took them that long to get the energy because there was so few humans left alive on her

[01:03:01] yeah yeah now that makes that makes a lot of sense um so eventually it's settled that

[01:03:11] the they're just going to go right back to the uh to the future like goku and vijita and trunks

[01:03:21] and then well that's happening theorists is trying to figure out what caused goku black

[01:03:32] i i like that um kibito is under suspicion because oh yeah cuz she just suddenly

[01:03:39] raised his comments he's made over the past over the years yeah cuz she didn't like just throws him

[01:03:44] under the bus cuz she was because for some reason in this like they're the the guys are like no we

[01:03:49] can't have them involved in our affairs for some reason um well me kibito was kind of always

[01:03:57] like that like in the boo saga when they brought go on to the to the world of the guys he was

[01:04:01] like oh mortals shouldn't be allowed here and blah blah blah yeah um so then i forget do we get the

[01:04:09] zamatsu stuff next or do we get a goku and vijita going in trunks back in the future

[01:04:15] well um i think they did end up uh getting the upper hand on goku black while they were in

[01:04:21] the future that first time and then zamas showed up and um saved him right yeah because they

[01:04:28] they go back and then like the first thing trunks does is he uh gives my the um the senzu bean and

[01:04:33] then we get the the iconic goku what are you doing that's weird why would you kiss a girl and

[01:04:39] vijita's like vijita's like you're married and he's like yeah so i love to like just the

[01:04:45] the the panel of vijita's face being like what the fuck is wrong with you

[01:04:50] well i am a little upset that we don't get the racist trunks line

[01:04:55] which one was that don't shoot this man isn't black

[01:05:00] well there's goku has one goku has a goku's got a line that uh is pretty questionable

[01:05:06] i forget doesn't that i don't remember what it was i'd have to re-watch look at it but there's

[01:05:10] one where i read it i was like oh out of context that's weird yeah that's about right um

[01:05:17] i just like i think goku's black actually went oh go ahead i was gonna say i think it's

[01:05:22] something like he where goku's like no don't worry i'm not black or something like that

[01:05:28] i'm just like i'm like they did not think this through yeah some of those lines

[01:05:34] but it's just kind of one of those things well japan doesn't doesn't have the same kind of like

[01:05:40] like they don't really see race as like describing it as colors so i know i just feel like

[01:05:46] viz when they translated it could have thought of that better yeah that's true i mean yeah

[01:05:51] it's definitely on biz um but i like that goku black actually went regular super saiyan here

[01:05:59] because it actually showed like progression he didn't just go straight to like god level form

[01:06:03] well i also like the fact that they they revealed the fact that like uh when zamatsu steals goku's body

[01:06:12] he doesn't just immediately have all this power like he's got to figure out how it how it

[01:06:16] fucking works yeah because it's not it's very reminiscent of um of uh the ginyu body swap back in z

[01:06:27] yeah it's like just because it has all this power doesn't mean i can use it

[01:06:31] yeah and like learning how the transformations work and all of that is a big part of it as well

[01:06:37] also i found it interesting that um all the little like side characters like because in um

[01:06:43] the in the anime like there's an entire like uh base of like survivors from that universe that's all

[01:06:50] just completely omitted yeah they kind of bait and switched us with that because they had that one

[01:06:55] scene where they're like this little uh this little shed over here has the last remaining

[01:07:00] humans on earth they're dead like yeah you think you think you're gonna like you know oh that's

[01:07:06] where yajiro be in all of them are gonna nope they're all gone it doesn't matter who's

[01:07:09] in there they're all dead we don't get multiple scenes of android a just staring at nothing for

[01:07:14] five minutes yeah right that was fucking bizarre that's like his only they just wanted to they just

[01:07:20] wanted to show him that's all you know that was like his only appearance it's super it's in a

[01:07:24] non-canon on a cat future that no longer happens but yeah it was a lot of fun stuff with with

[01:07:34] that first fight that they had um with black and samas i found it interesting i keep getting

[01:07:43] i'm gonna keep flipping back and forth between samas and samasu because i'm a they say samasu

[01:07:48] in the anime and in the in the manga they say samas so yeah um i also found it interesting

[01:07:55] that this time around they don't all go back it's only goku majita go back yeah yeah trunks stays

[01:08:02] behind and uh how um goa su and shin both show up like pretty early on yeah uh goa su actually he's

[01:08:14] much more interesting in this version than he is in the anime i will say yeah for sure because he's

[01:08:20] much more he's much more of a character like he in the anime he's kind of like oh no i've been

[01:08:27] betrayed oh well in this one he is convinced he can still save uh samasu or whatever um which

[01:08:36] backfires on him tremendously yeah he gives a sword to the chest um also uh jumping ahead a little bit

[01:08:47] was uh vijito always a different name in the manga uh in the vis translation yes he's always been

[01:08:55] a jirot because i saw that i was like what i'm like that's different yeah it's i don't know it's a weird

[01:09:04] weird uh error in translation i guess and they just stuck with it because they already

[01:09:10] they already said it is that years ago so i will say the one thing i do enjoy is because

[01:09:15] trunks doesn't spend a ton of time in the past in this time around because he pretty much goes

[01:09:20] right back as soon as possible we get uh we don't get as much uh young like kid trunks being cringe as

[01:09:26] fuck this time around yeah really the the the scene in the anime where he's got like the

[01:09:32] fucking hacksaw on his back on his back and my and my is like what the fuck are you doing

[01:09:38] yeah i don't want to give anything away with it there's some funny like after the time skip when

[01:09:44] they actually have their gross birds and trunks is still trying to get mighta like him it's some goofy

[01:09:50] shit yeah yeah it's funny how his his future counterpart like lands are pretty much easily

[01:09:56] instantly but like he's gonna fucking be a cringe lord yeah it's about right

[01:10:03] uh it's weird it's still weird that's a canon pairing now but that's besides the point

[01:10:08] in multiple timelines i know

[01:10:12] i just always remember that goddamn scene of him holding the hacksaw and i'm like

[01:10:18] i'm like but he realized that's not why she's interested in him right

[01:10:22] i mean it kind of tracks with like their their family's history with choosing guys

[01:10:28] or like choose choosing mates i mean balma chose vegeo which you know that was a fucking mess

[01:10:34] and then trunks ended up with the woman who tried to roast his mother alive when they were kids

[01:10:41] yeah so you know it is what it is

[01:10:45] yeah the only difference is trunks doesn't know about that

[01:10:51] yeah oh i did also love the the flashback scene where they show that how the pilaf gang

[01:10:55] ended up as children in the future yeah that was that was pretty fun

[01:11:00] that we never do find out what happened to pilaf i'll save i'll save that the the reference

[01:11:06] that for when we get to it but uh yeah pretty pretty fun i do like the the little joke you know

[01:11:12] we mentioned the joke things the end of each chapter how um uh one of those zammasu had traded

[01:11:19] bodies in monaca first oh yeah because goku oh wait this body's actually weak yeah or or

[01:11:25] like later on what well jen we'll save it when we get to it because they reference it again later

[01:11:33] um is pretty fun so i will say we kind of glossed over the whole uh

[01:11:41] zammasu like his whole character arc where they show him like they go into the that past of that

[01:11:46] one planet oh that planet barbari yeah because they're trying to it's basically them showcasing

[01:11:54] how uh zammasu is is incredibly racist immortals

[01:12:01] that was somehow that was more i think effective in the manga than it was in the anime despite not

[01:12:08] being animated yeah well it's interesting how some of these scenes do have that that greater

[01:12:14] effect when they're on a page rather than on the screen well it's interesting too because

[01:12:19] they show what's his uh what's the Kai of universe 10 is named again goa su they show goa su like he

[01:12:28] he's a lot less gullible in this version because in the anime he's gullible as fuck

[01:12:33] this one like he notices right away he's like yeah there's something not right about this guy

[01:12:39] but he's trying to be like impartial like that he thinks that it's just a phase

[01:12:44] um because when uh zammasu kills the uh the the the mortal from the uh the future

[01:12:52] uh he gets basically bitches that he shouldn't have done that like that was unnecessary like no

[01:12:57] more privileges for you hmm yeah literally gave him all the information and tools that he needed

[01:13:04] in that one little like trying to teach him a lesson thing which we also don't really see him

[01:13:11] we don't really see him murder uh try to murder goa su in the current timeline like

[01:13:17] iris kind of just kills him before you can even attempt it yeah it was shin just kind of shows

[01:13:23] up he's like hey i just peeked in the future real quick and zammasu's gonna kill you like yeah

[01:13:28] also shins a lot more prominent in the manga than he is in the show yeah he definitely he

[01:13:34] definitely um to take some more initiative in this version than he does in the other one

[01:13:40] oh i forgot we also those gag images we forgot to mention the one of goku still grabs the

[01:13:45] the cosmic king's dick oh yeah i love that he's a running joke that will continue to happen

[01:13:51] like every time they cross paths i just i love the fact that in the manga rather than him be like

[01:13:58] oh be careful goku that's a very sensitive part and goku freaks out it's just him going

[01:14:02] that's not a tentacle yep like with an annoyed an annoyed look on his face

[01:14:08] they're like good for you good for you man just like i think that's funny yeah um

[01:14:16] yeah so going back though like eventually like goku and vejita go back to uh they have to go back

[01:14:24] to the future because zamatsu torches all of their senzu beans and i like also like that when

[01:14:32] they go up to korn stour they're playing twister yeah it's just totally random and just once again

[01:14:38] they made the joke of like hey is this fun that's just like now it's actually kind of boring yeah

[01:14:42] it's kind of boring with one person yeah also i were they playing on the whole i'm convinced

[01:14:48] that he was playing into the whole uh the lover's thing yeah yeah i'm pretty sure they spend a

[01:14:54] they spend a lot of time together up there yeah yeah jeroby does realize he doesn't have

[01:15:01] to be there right like he can go and like do stuff but likes the sense of beans too much

[01:15:06] like i guess i thought he's dinosaurs and fish he's the most he's the most useless ronin ever

[01:15:16] yeah that's true um oh we didn't talk about uh we didn't talk about mario kart

[01:15:24] oh yeah yeah because um yeah biris is a rage quitter yep he how many consoles did he break

[01:15:31] a lot he destroyed like four consoles because he kept losing in mario kart yeah i did just that whole

[01:15:39] gag is really funny to me because they don't reveal it first it's a video game so i'm just like oh

[01:15:42] they're playing mario kart i guess like i'm i guess bolma's rich enough to have that yeah

[01:15:48] and it's like looks at a turtle shell like yeah that makes sense right and then it cuts through

[01:15:53] they're playing a video game i was like oh okay that makes a lot more sense but i i you know i was

[01:15:57] quite i wasn't questioning because i was like yeah bolma's probably rich enough she probably has

[01:16:01] that somewhere for sure also like that the pilaf gang just kind of lives there now

[01:16:10] i mean they did in the anime too but this in this version they kind of make it show that

[01:16:14] they're just residents of capsule corp now and there was no setup for the manga at all because

[01:16:20] they didn't show them in the battle of gods like half a volume that we had they just

[01:16:25] were there at the beginning at future drunks yeah yeah and we don't get their explanation for

[01:16:32] how they got de-aged as well yeah well i mean we kind of get it in uh that one little like

[01:16:41] two page blurb we know that was the future version but we know that that was the time that

[01:16:46] had happened so it's also really fucked up too that that was the final wish on the dragon balls

[01:16:51] because piccolo died yeah like literally like with second is to spare that was the last wish

[01:16:57] it's actually really said that is actually gohan's most prominent appearance in the manga so far

[01:17:02] and it's true it's the kid version of him from the future yeah it's like android saga gohan

[01:17:10] yeah i was thinking about that i'm like that's his most prominent appearance so far so i guess he did

[01:17:15] get a speaking line all right yeah there we go we're getting somewhere the manga really

[01:17:21] highlights just how fucking useless he was the first half of the show yeah no kidding

[01:17:26] oh don't worry we'll get some gohan in the next arc so yeah um so yeah back to the future

[01:17:34] eventually like obviously goku and bajita come back and the fight continues oh well we got to talk about

[01:17:43] goku's uh goku's random burst of knowledge that he never had because he's just like oh we have to

[01:17:51] fight the mortal we should use the mafu bar which he has no business knowing about because he's

[01:17:58] never seen anyone use it and he didn't stick around long enough for anyone to tell him about

[01:18:03] it after it was a thing in the show oh wait no because he saw kami do it

[01:18:10] yeah he did in the tournament of power that's right i mean the final tournament of dragon ball

[01:18:16] so you wait you would think he would have gone and asked piccolo and not master roshi

[01:18:19] because he wouldn't have known that roshi knew it for yama forgot um yeah it's said that that

[01:18:28] can be the answer for anything in dragon ball yeah that's true um yeah because he does the same thing in

[01:18:36] the anime in the anime version too although in the anime version it's less uh goku doesn't seem as smart

[01:18:43] like he was piccolo's idea in the anime right right that's true yeah in the manga he it's like

[01:18:50] go it's the most out of character goku moment because goku is like only smart when it comes to

[01:18:57] fighting like this is like weirdly knowledgeable yeah i mean he they definitely downplay the dumb

[01:19:04] goku thing in in the super manga the anime they went like really crazy with it to the point where it was

[01:19:11] kind of unbelievable to be honest though like thinking about it like goku like in terms of

[01:19:17] actual like screen time so far through the the manga he's not like the main character

[01:19:23] like all the time no it seems pretty split for the most part the only thing is is like the side

[01:19:30] characters that you think should be more involved are the ones that aren't like we like like we've

[01:19:37] mentioned so far we got a lot of like supreme kai and kibito and gaosu and then like my future

[01:19:44] mai it gets is weirdly well not weirdly i actually appreciate them developing her this time around

[01:19:50] yeah like i love the uh the the trick that she plays where like she's got like all the

[01:19:57] the oh yeah they're all in the cart and then she's like surprise bitch yeah and then they they dip

[01:20:03] out and um she just starts like pumping pumping shotgun shells and then goku black

[01:20:09] which is hilariously useless but i do give her credit for trying

[01:20:13] because she like turned it around like a club and just whacked him over the head with it like

[01:20:18] and she got there all the steel man there are multiple points in this where trunks tells her to go

[01:20:23] hide because he doesn't want her to get hurt and she's like fuck you dude i'm gonna fight

[01:20:27] yeah it's like i'm literally the last woman on earth like i'm doing something here like

[01:20:32] she's like like she's like legit dude you're like the only other person that i care about

[01:20:36] i'm not just gonna run away and hide yeah for real which i i appreciate because like

[01:20:42] i really like future mai in the anime but like she really

[01:20:47] half the time she's either knocked out or just in the background not doing anything

[01:20:50] in this one she's like actually trying to be part of the actual um

[01:20:55] fight and like doing stuff which i i really even though it doesn't really do much it like at

[01:21:01] least she's like attempting mm-hmm oh and uh while while goku and uh Vegeta escaped to the past

[01:21:08] goku is uh just like in the anime someone does that knows and uh they have their whole exchange

[01:21:14] and he says i'll bring you somebody to to hang out with because i was um when i was reading this

[01:21:20] i was waiting for that to happen i'm like when does this happen because i know in the anime

[01:21:23] it's a little different how they do it because i was wondering i'm like how are they gonna stop

[01:21:29] them if he doesn't have the button because i forgot he doesn't get the button till then

[01:21:33] um yeah it was definitely yeah because he does that plus he learns the uh he learns the

[01:21:41] evil containment beam um yeah well he's doing that well what is Vegeta doing again is he just

[01:21:47] hanging out and no he goes to the time chamber time chamber right yeah he's um he was uh figuring

[01:21:54] out the whole switching between god and blue thing oh yeah primarily he overcame that

[01:21:59] stamina block that he had trouble with in universe six yeah because uh Vegeta

[01:22:06] Vegeta doesn't because in the anime we don't see Vegeta do god until brawly

[01:22:12] yeah and um we see it in this arc in the manga and uh the goku goku black arc i really like

[01:22:19] goku's characterization here too because like when he when Vegeta does uh goes god god form

[01:22:24] goku's like ah he finally did it which is cool goku is honestly a lot better written in the manga so far

[01:22:33] yeah for sure um like he he was very flanderized in the super anime i mean i love the super anime

[01:22:40] but he is very flanderized at times yeah like i said he's he's a caricature of of goku

[01:22:49] it's kind of like even dumber than he was when he was a 12 year old it's kind of like how

[01:22:53] chi chi was like all of her development from like the end of z was completely just thrown out the

[01:22:58] window and super yeah for sure um granted like the Toriyama of writing Toriyama's ideas are probably

[01:23:09] more on line with the manga than the the anime teams were so so yeah they go back to the

[01:23:17] future and uh oh we didn't we didn't talk about how um shin and gaosu had saved trunks in Mai and

[01:23:26] brought them to the world of the kais to hide out and recover right yeah i forgot about that

[01:23:34] and then they come back because they can sense that uh goku black and zamasu were running around

[01:23:39] killing all the remaining humans hmm yeah yeah they just straight up wipe out humanity in this

[01:23:46] one it's like it's like it kind of is like the whole time i'm sitting here going like

[01:23:50] yeah and it's like well at this point what are trunks in my even fighting for

[01:23:56] yeah well i mean there are other planets too but which they were eventually going to move on to

[01:24:02] i will say that is like the one thing that um i feel like the anime did better was like

[01:24:09] you in this version like the humanity gets wiped out so fucking nonchalantly that you're

[01:24:14] kind of like yeah at this point what are they even fighting at this point and but in um the anime

[01:24:19] like you have all that character development it's like showing that there's all these survivors

[01:24:23] and they they really do care and then so when they get just fucking annihilated it really

[01:24:26] punches you in the gut yeah for sure this one it's kind of like well i didn't know any of

[01:24:31] those humans so i don't really care that much yeah i mean this this is really about you know

[01:24:42] it's not really about any of the others which i mean it was kind of good and also kind of bad

[01:24:50] i like the fact that they put more focus on trunks in my can made them actually fully developed

[01:24:54] but at the same time they a lot of the whole the real like stakes were just completely at this

[01:25:01] point they were just getting rid of an inconvenience yeah um so yeah go for june show back up

[01:25:10] also another another thing they omit that like i found really weird is they omit the whole like

[01:25:16] explaining how zamasu kidnapped took goku's body and then brutally murdered chi chi and go ten

[01:25:25] that's completely removed from this yeah they just skip right over that it is so yeah i kill you

[01:25:31] yeah and it's it's completely goku kind of is more heartless in the manga this time around

[01:25:39] well i mean like if zamasu had rubbed it in his face i'm sure he would have gotten mad but

[01:25:44] yeah i just that was a very effective scene in the anime because it did show that he

[01:25:48] does care despite him being himself yeah um i feel like the beating that vejita and goku

[01:25:55] got in the anime was more brutal than the manga version goku and vejita are kind of just

[01:26:01] like there in the um in the manga version it's much more focused on trunks and mai plus uh

[01:26:09] go su and shin yeah because even when they i go on i was just gonna say like we we get um

[01:26:20] we get goku using the the evil containment wave on zamasu this both made me laugh and

[01:26:27] frustrated the f*** out of me i mean at least we know that this is a canon event because it

[01:26:33] happens in both versions yeah i just the the fact that like the whole time it's like

[01:26:41] it he does it like it perfectly and they seal him in and then all of a sudden it's like

[01:26:45] it's it they cut to it's a coupon for a fucking brothel or strip club whatever and

[01:26:49] then it's like god damn it goku yeah but then they have that gag image where they're like

[01:26:55] maybe i should have gave him the jar that had the thing inscribed into it yeah right it's like well

[01:27:00] i kind of i kind of wish that they had um because in the anime trunks learns it and i feel like

[01:27:07] that would have been better because i like the idea of him having that under his belt for the

[01:27:12] future like you know more people are gonna show up you know we're not gonna have him come back

[01:27:17] to the past every time that happens so knowing that he has that available to him

[01:27:21] you know kind of helps with any future issues yeah unfortunately i don't think we're ever gonna see

[01:27:29] canonically gonna see future trunks again no we'll see him in the video games and stuff but

[01:27:34] i don't think he's ever gonna show up in the main story again yeah well because i know they appear

[01:27:39] in heroes at one point but that's all not canon so yeah heroes and zenoverse and all that

[01:27:46] um yeah um i will say one thing i really liked was how they handled the zamasuit well immortal

[01:27:54] zamasu and black fusing together this time around yeah i like that a lot too um how they kind of

[01:28:02] like you know they explain the time limit thing and they say well because in the anime uh i feel

[01:28:09] like they explained it like the the unstable fusion was different

[01:28:16] but yeah in the manga well in the anime so in the anime version uh fused uh go goku black

[01:28:25] zamasu they um they start like degenerating because of the in the half immortal thing um yeah

[01:28:32] this one they didn't they don't oh sorry um i was gonna add a point to that they never

[01:28:37] say it outright but i think a part of that unstable fusion was also because goku black

[01:28:44] was in rose when they fused and old kai made it a point when when they originally did

[01:28:50] vijito in the boo saga to say do not fuse while transform because it'll put a strain on your

[01:28:55] body and you'll die quicker yeah so yeah that makes that makes sense i also really like that

[01:29:03] they actually explain the time limit yeah for a non for non kais because like i always i always

[01:29:11] thought that was such an asshole from uh toriama being like oh yeah uh there's a time limit uh

[01:29:17] yeah the old explanation was just that the air inside of boo was was bad and that's why they

[01:29:22] are fused that was the old explanation i really like though that they explained that the whole

[01:29:27] reason why it was they have a go su explain it to them and he's like what you never taught

[01:29:32] it to them he's like oh i never knew and then it explained the whole fact that the previous kai

[01:29:37] died before before he could explain it to them yeah like i thought that was that was a much better

[01:29:44] explanation than just whatever toriama was trying to say i love the supreme kai is just

[01:29:50] continuously like in both versions just continuously getting shit on for not having this information

[01:29:55] that he should know but it's it's not his fault like all of his teachers died before he had

[01:30:01] a chance to learn any of it he literally has been riding by the seat of his pants ever since then

[01:30:05] was it ever explained officially why they unfused him in uh kivito i think they just they i mean

[01:30:11] they never wanted to be fused forever in the first place true because old kai said hey try out

[01:30:17] the fusion thing and they said hey cool we're fused and he said okay cool you're staying

[01:30:21] like that forever like what like you didn't say that yeah i just thought it was such a weird

[01:30:27] thing to just undo but i guess it's more interesting with i mean fair commito really doesn't do much but

[01:30:33] that just having i didn't i didn't like commito kai very much because he just kind of like i liked

[01:30:39] i liked having the two characters to bounce off each other and just fusing them into one is just

[01:30:43] kind of dumb i just didn't care for his design very much honestly i just thought it was well

[01:30:50] yeah the design is pretty meh to me it's more just like it just felt like an asshole like oh they're

[01:30:55] just unfused now because i felt like it yeah exactly it's one of those things where he wrote

[01:31:04] wrote it initially to explain the portara fusion and then he realized shit i didn't really want this

[01:31:10] long term well i think at the time i think at the time toriyama did it because hey i only have

[01:31:17] to draw one character now no because he's probably he's famous for those kinds of shortcuts

[01:31:23] that's yeah also though i don't think he intended to do any sequel series so he probably wasn't gonna

[01:31:30] expect to have them around much longer yeah exactly i mean he was ready for the

[01:31:35] this show to be done at that point so yeah i did find that interesting though also i found it really

[01:31:41] weird that like uh uh the vajido basically or whatever he's called in the manga um

[01:31:51] his fight is very insignificant yeah it happens real quick it happens real quick and then he

[01:32:00] doesn't even the one that cuts fused zamasu in half that's trunks yeah well i love the way that

[01:32:07] happens because when that when they hit the time limit well actually we should probably talk about

[01:32:11] what how goku fought him after that um so in this version once again there's no blue kaioken

[01:32:20] um yeah in this version i really like what they do because especially in the anime whenever

[01:32:27] somebody goes blue you always see that like really like strong um aura around them

[01:32:34] like it's very prominent very obvious like kind of just takes over like the whole area around them

[01:32:41] so their way of being like okay goku's way of you know getting the power boost he needs was

[01:32:47] he's sucking all that aura into himself and he's like containing it there and it's kind

[01:32:53] of like creating like a uh like a pressure inside of him and that's making him

[01:33:00] like a lot stronger because that's part of the reason why blue is such a stamina drain is

[01:33:04] because all that power is just leaking out constantly yeah um so that was that was a really interesting

[01:33:13] interesting way to give him that kind of showdown with zamasu

[01:33:18] also we see zamasu in those shirts which is really bizarre yeah we do um oh yeah we also

[01:33:25] reminiscent of the it's very reminiscent of bojack honestly

[01:33:28] we also didn't mention too because we we had mentioned that go su gets

[01:33:35] fucking tanked by uh zamasu because he thinks he could save him but uh we don't we didn't

[01:33:40] explain that trunks managed to heal him because trunks has healing powers in this version

[01:33:46] yeah because um when trunks was training with the z sword to fight uh bobby and debora

[01:33:52] before goku black showed up he apparently was apprenticed by the supreme kai and with that comes

[01:33:58] special powers like how kabido has which actually come to think of it shouldn't that give him

[01:34:04] teleporting powers too or i'm gonna forget you can tell um kibito can teleport or i'ma forgot um

[01:34:17] also one of my favorite uh joke uh joke panels is the whole like when they uh

[01:34:24] when they fuse together they're in a monaca form and he's like no wrong form yeah

[01:34:34] but yeah so so goku pushes pushes zamasu to his limit and then they start to infuse

[01:34:40] but because they're the same person they started to merge on a molecular level and the fusion

[01:34:45] was like kind of trying to pull them back together yeah it's like this weird like spider

[01:34:51] webby thing going on and then trunks just straight up like shanks him down the middle

[01:34:57] and then we get the most what the fuck moment of the manga where uh this is where a lot of the

[01:35:05] big difference here because infinite zamasu which i believe is the uh official title for

[01:35:13] for this is very different in this version uh instead of

[01:35:18] becoming the sky whatever the fuck happened in the anime um he gets like a hydra situation

[01:35:26] going on if you if you remember that from uh from the hercules disney movie yeah we're like

[01:35:31] every time he gets cut apart he just becomes two and then they multiply yeah every every piece

[01:35:38] that gets cut off becomes another merged zamasu also i liken this version to where like they're

[01:35:45] like oh shit what do we do the work this is fucked and it's like goku's like i know and he brings a

[01:35:53] uh zeno to the future and they're like he's like yeah zeno that guy's bad we you need to do

[01:35:58] something about that and zeno's like ah okay delete universe and they're like no not that

[01:36:03] he's a control alt delete and they're like everyone's like go go go get out of here in the time machine

[01:36:09] and then i like the the image of all the zamasu is running like a bitch in the background yeah just

[01:36:14] try to dip out as fast as they can yeah yeah it's funny how like in the original version he

[01:36:21] just straight up like yoinks it out of existence and it's like they just they don't even really

[01:36:24] react to it in this version they're like no we did not mean erase the universe yeah right

[01:36:31] and i got well you know is what it is what it is then also we get that lovely image of goku

[01:36:38] because they have to abruptly get away goku and bajita couldn't get in the time machines and

[01:36:43] they were just holding on to it yeah when and you get this lovely close with goku's face

[01:36:48] to smushed against the class which i'm sure trunks and i yeah and i'm sure trunks and

[01:36:54] i had a great view of that the whole time oh yeah oh but yeah it was um all told i i really like this

[01:37:04] version of the arc um oh we gotta talk about um we gotta talk about trunks and my back in the

[01:37:11] the present really quick uh so when they come back out of the the pod they reunite with their

[01:37:21] younger selves but then oh yes not my runs into uh p-lop and shoe and which i like because

[01:37:28] the anime just completely doesn't even acknowledge this they just don't even talk once yeah this one

[01:37:36] like she's all happy to see them again and then he's like tell me what happens to me in the future

[01:37:41] and she's like oh yeah it's not great and then she gets distracted by that happened yeah

[01:37:47] and then she gets she gets distracted really fast by something else

[01:37:51] my beer is showing up and then he was like what happens to me in the future

[01:37:58] yeah um which is really funny funny we also see them they chill like for a few days because you

[01:38:03] get to see like trunks and my just in casual close like on a couple of scenes yeah they hang

[01:38:09] out they're resting you know recuperating from all the excitement oh and goku does the same

[01:38:15] thing it is in the anime where he goes and picks up future zeno and brings him to present zeno and

[01:38:20] and their friends everything's happy yeah and then like um you got um the the is it grandkai or the

[01:38:29] the head angel whatever his name is the grand priest grand priest he's all like what an interesting

[01:38:36] character yeah no kidding because they're like did you plan this goku he's like no and they're

[01:38:42] idiot just happened to work out that way yeah just how i do he lied right to zeno's face and it

[01:38:50] worked out for him in the end anyways we're literally the best possible outcome happened for him

[01:38:55] see my my headcanon is zeno is can zeno knows goku's full of shit but he just is so interested

[01:39:02] in him that he doesn't care or that it's in the same the same wavelength brain wise yeah

[01:39:11] he's he's aware that goku's lying to his face but he's like i like this guy i'm gonna see what happens

[01:39:17] i'm sure he'll think of something for sure um but yeah we get the we get we get the scene of uh

[01:39:27] trunks and my going off in the time ship for the final time and then p-loft's like wait

[01:39:31] what happens to me in the future and she basically gives him a non-answer which is great

[01:39:36] mm-hmm there explanation for for where they're going it is kind of bizarre uh because it doesn't

[01:39:45] really make a whole lot of sense no it never really did see i was always under the i get why they didn't

[01:39:51] because it would have been confusing but i've always been like under the thought of they should have

[01:39:54] just stayed yeah i've always i've always felt that way too well what's funny is i'm going to

[01:39:59] leave but what's hilarious was i'm sitting here thinking like i wonder if this is a fan-in thing

[01:40:03] and i'm like i'm i was thinking in my head i'm like i'm surprised masako x hasn't covered this

[01:40:08] yet and then i i was like i was kind of thinking about it like i go to his youtube channel like

[01:40:12] oh he already has like interesting of course yeah it's one of his multiple fan fictions that he's

[01:40:20] yeah because the way they explain it was so beer is killed present zamazu

[01:40:27] yes which created another alternate timeline where zamazu didn't do all this all the things

[01:40:37] which uh but when they're talking about like oh like we're gonna go to that timeline they're like

[01:40:42] well what happens in zamazu when goku black shows up it's like well that's the whole thing with

[01:40:48] this timeline that's why this time line was created because he's not going to show up because

[01:40:52] beer has killed him so it's just kind of like a weird like do they just forget that well also like

[01:41:00] two is like the whole reason why they're going to another timeline is because they don't want to

[01:41:04] get in the way of the current trunks and mai that are in that universe but i'm like the same

[01:41:08] time like they're going to another universe that has its own trunks and mai so they're going

[01:41:11] to be two of them anyways at least in this situation there's an age difference there's

[01:41:16] an age difference and they're fully understanding and they've accepted it um yeah oh but i do want to

[01:41:24] call attention the uh from beginning of the arc when when trunks first showed up after escaping

[01:41:30] how uh when when kid trunks goes up they just completely just denied any argument about

[01:41:37] the hair thing they said hey hey trunks is there a guy with the same hair color as you in there

[01:41:42] they don't say what that hair color is it's completely skirt around that

[01:41:48] although the the covers for the manga confirm he has blue hair so yeah which is weird because

[01:41:55] i'm pretty sure balma's actual like original hair was supposed to have was supposed to be purple

[01:42:02] so it's just a weird situation with that family they've just fucked it up so hard at this point

[01:42:09] even toriama doesn't well he didn't know anymore at this point they're just trolling us i know it

[01:42:16] see to me like the biggest like the biggest like thing that completely made this weird was

[01:42:21] the fact that in in uh superhero they made kid trunks have blue hair all of a sudden i was like

[01:42:26] it's completely made it nothing sense does his genetics just change like what you see i could

[01:42:32] have accepted that i could have accepted oh your hair gets darker as you get older yeah whatever

[01:42:37] but that doesn't explain the go tanks still had the purple hair like there's that and also

[01:42:43] the fact that uh dr briefs it just has purple hair always yeah it i don't know it's

[01:42:50] they're they're actually just trolling us at this point i i know it's like probably either

[01:42:58] knowing toriama or knowing how he was who knows

[01:43:04] yeah i i like to i like goku black in the manga though for the most part i thought it was a really

[01:43:10] it was honestly it flowed better than the anime because that's the anime arc dragged on

[01:43:15] yeah the manga is very short and sweet i mean because we had what like uh with the half of volume

[01:43:21] for battle of gods and like a volume and a half for universe six maybe a little bit more

[01:43:27] so all told the goku black arc was like maybe two and a half volumes yeah um

[01:43:35] and i will say like the manga adaption really made it perfectly evident that one of those time

[01:43:41] travel back and forth was completely unnecessary yeah for sure like they definitely did it too many

[01:43:47] times in the anime version and the manga hit hit the perfect sweet spot they also got rid of the

[01:43:54] whole time machine getting destroyed thing because that was unnecessary yeah they didn't even mention

[01:43:59] the cell time machine yeah which i thought was kind of a bummer because that was one thing i did

[01:44:05] like in the anime was how they're like oh yeah we have this other time machine

[01:44:10] also we didn't get we didn't get trunks meeting uh um present day android 18 at like mom

[01:44:17] android 18 which was uh kind of funny because i really i love that scene in the anime because

[01:44:22] it's just so awkward yeah i love that scene too um i get also we didn't get we didn't get trunks

[01:44:32] hanging out with uh gohan yeah because the manga doesn't want to acknowledge gohan exists at this

[01:44:39] point no let's save it in for the next arc yeah which he does he gets a fucking glow up in the

[01:44:45] next arc that for sure actually you know what you know i thought was really cool i'll just

[01:44:50] tell you now because it's not that important um gohan where's the purple ghee to the tournament in the

[01:44:56] manga as opposed to the orange ghee so yeah i thought that was really cool yeah it does kind of kill

[01:45:05] the significance of it in superhero but that's fine well i mean it makes it more consistent

[01:45:12] superhero true um because um because he also appears in uh the moral arc as well and he's

[01:45:20] also still wearing the purple ghee so it keeps it consistent you know um i will say though like

[01:45:28] we talked about like uh they cut a lot of stuff but at the same time they also fleshed out

[01:45:34] the main characters of this arc because honestly thinking about it goku and Vegeta are really

[01:45:40] background secondary characters for most of this yeah definitely like trunks and Mai are the main

[01:45:46] characters of this arc then the kais oddly enough yeah oh speaking of Kai we didn't mention that

[01:45:54] goku used hukai in this arc i am he did he's the beer's destruction move

[01:46:05] yeah oh also zamatsu is doing the jenemba thing where he's making the portals and punching through

[01:46:10] them yeah i saw oh yeah because he grabs um he grabs mai at one point and like he the user is a

[01:46:16] meat shield yeah when he went when goku was using the destruction move he used her as a meat

[01:46:21] shield to make him stop yeah it was like the one thing i was like i was like they really like

[01:46:28] made Mai like seem like a very useful character here and then it's like great she's already

[01:46:32] damsel distressed yeah but they did a lot of fun things with like the the different abilities and

[01:46:39] stuff in this arc but they also did they didn't hover on it too much like like i said it's a

[01:46:45] short and sweet arc it's it's definitely worth a read it goes quick not does i finish that in

[01:46:50] like a day i was i was just casually reading all of my my work breaks and i would i would

[01:46:58] finish a volume with at least a whole break despair every every time so oh yeah well there

[01:47:05] there's entire two page spreads in this in the all these volumes where there's no dialogue it's

[01:47:12] just a picture yeah i'm looking forward to covering the next the next few arcs because

[01:47:17] starting with the next set whenever we get back to dragon most super because as i said at the

[01:47:21] beginning we will be cycling through different shows for different series

[01:47:27] yeah but all the next arcs for dragon ball super we'll be covering just one arc at a time so

[01:47:35] yeah because they're false full-sized for the most part yeah i believe because this one ended halfway

[01:47:41] through volume five correct yes i believe tournament of power it goes through

[01:47:50] either all almost all of volume nine or it ends towards the beginning of volume 10

[01:47:57] okay so it's a good like four to five volumes all right well i look forward to when we eventually

[01:48:05] get back to that um i think we'll leave what our next manga we're going to cover in this series is

[01:48:13] up in the air for now so we'll we'll discuss it off screen most likely

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