Geek Addicts - Episode 43: Discussing Rurouni Kenshin!

[00:00:05] [SPEAKER_01]: The following is a GNC podcast production.

[00:00:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to Geek Addicts, the pop culture podcast.

[00:00:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Hello and welcome to Geek Addicts, the pop culture podcast.

[00:00:47] [SPEAKER_02]: We talk about all things Geek, my name is Matt with me, the Samurai with the Crash-Shapescar, Bill Barber.

[00:00:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know I had that.

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And he was.

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_02]: He was the cream as come along ways.

[00:01:03] [SPEAKER_01]: You're the funny part is, I forgot that you were doing the intro and I was doing it at the same time so that would make kind of funny.

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Be honest, but I guessed that by the look on your face and I was kind of just going to let it happen.

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I was about to say it for the new beat, too.

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_01]: But I was like, okay.

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I was about to stop and be like, wait a minute, who's supposed to do it this time?

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we usually double check before we start.

[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_02]: We didn't say, all right, let's just see where this goes.

[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_01]: It's been a week, we were talking before the show.

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_01]: We've had some weird weather up here in the New England area.

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_01]: It was like, scaling up here recently.

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Zarr.

[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, New England is weird about summer hail.

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, we just occasionally look at it and sometimes it would just be like really intense for no reason.

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_01]: New England's just kind of weird in general and it comes to weather.

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's for sure.

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_01]: We only have two seasons up here.

[00:01:55] [SPEAKER_01]: We've got hot cold, slightly warmer cold and slightly hotter.

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we've got slightly colder hot.

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_01]: That's basically it.

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not the luck like that.

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_01]: See their hot and cold basically.

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, but pretty much.

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was saying earlier, I think I have to.

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I went to the first day of a,

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_01]: a retro world, the local good gaming convention and

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I spent a lot of money.

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, get it.

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Good.

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Where did you get more racing games?

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, ironically, I did not grab a lot of racing games.

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't really see any that I didn't have already.

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I got a bunch of 3D games because we need content over there.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I found, I found a game to get Alex on the 3D experience though.

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I found the Japanese only similar moon fighting game for 3D.

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_01]: That's hilarious.

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to wield that to happen at some point.

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_02]: If only anime was more, more big over here at the time with a 3DOS current,

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_02]: we might have actually gotten some of those games.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_01]: What's funny is I have two of them now.

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I've got the Sailor Moon one and I have the,

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_01]: uh, the you Hocca Show one.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't believe you Hocca Show was even out over here at the time.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is kind of funny.

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I doubt it.

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_02]: It is interesting though.

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Those are the two in particular that you have considering the,

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_02]: their maga cards for both of those series are married.

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I didn't think of that.

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And so you just brought it up.

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I've got a bunch of weird stuff like I got 3D games.

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_01]: A bunch of beta stuff because if I see beta games that look interesting or their cheap all by them.

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I got a couple imports.

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I found this full metal alchemist like RPG on GBA that I never get out of here.

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm going to have to look into playing a little bit.

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know if I can't read it.

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_01]: What else?

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, I found a rare road railroad.

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't do on the dream guest.

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, thanks.

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_02]: There you go.

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_02]: It was 50 more content.

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Get more content for that.

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, a dreamcast pod that you and Therac have been dreaming up for at least a past couple episodes.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it has been a thing recently.

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, it's, it was, it was a fun con though.

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Game collecting is still absurdly expensive.

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll probably always will be.

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I've probably got some others to you can find the other stuff I posted it on a discord servers.

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_01]: So you can find it.

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_01]: It'll be on my blog tomorrow.

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, now they have, do they have art and stuff at gaming cons or they do that?

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_01]: That's actually what I was going to look deeper into tomorrow when me and Alex go back.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Because Alex wasn't able to go day one.

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_01]: She's going to go the rest of it though.

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_01]: But there's a bunch of art vendors and like different like kind of novelty things like there was a big anime.

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Like figure of vendors as well.

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_01]: So there's, there's a good variety of stuff.

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_01]: There's also like a whole bunch of old arcade machines on the big, they bring in.

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a wrestling ring for some reason I've never, I've never quite got that one but hey it's a thing.

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_02]: If I ever got like at decent windfall of money and didn't have any serious bills to put it towards,

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_02]: my like go to like, like goal for, you know, nerd game stuff is I want a fucking arcade cabinet of the old X-Men game.

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's like me and I really want to collapse RPG machine if I can find it or a Daytonu say.

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't have the money for that though.

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_02]: No, no.

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_02]: You're a homeowner and I have children.

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but um, it was fun. It was cool.

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_01]: They're doing it three days this year which is like a first for the con so a lot of the vendors were trying to adjust to that.

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, makes sense.

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I always say though my favorite part because I'm a seasoned veteran of the collecting as they say these days.

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_01]: It's really fun to see like the first time collectors come in because they have such innocent like views on it and it's always really fun to see the different perspectives.

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_01]: The ones who were in it for the right reasons not that people who were just trying to make a buck, I flipping.

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't really thought about it but I guess you would be like among the first wave of like retro collectors because before you those games weren't really retro, they were more current.

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I'm definitely part of the early.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm part of the probably part of the first wave of like the, um, the Instagram era collectors.

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, why don't collect these.

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Like the logocesis have before that but I mean the games are still relatively new.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, they weren't considered retro really like we were just moving into like 3D era when we were kids so like you know, I mean.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's interesting because like I got into it at like the perfect time. Like as I always start I've I've told the story of you times like in like either like the collecting stories.

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, videos that episodes we do over on G and C or when I guess appeared over on a fellow network show member Dave over at remember 64 his first.

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_01]: One of his first episodes he did I guess that on and we talked about the collecting journey and stuff.

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, it was like 2009 and that was just such a different time for collecting like no one really knew a lot of the stuff was rare because like there's certain systems that are just always expensive like the Sega Saturn is always going to be absurdly expensive.

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, Nintendo was currently like the market was going through its NES SNES phase because the game collecting scene is always very interesting like the Nintendo stuff kind of is like the.

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_01]: It goes through cycles like there was a point where um all it was all NES games were like collectible then it was all super Nintendo stuff.

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Now we're getting out of the N64 era and now it's like game cube stuff is the hot ticket items.

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, then Sega stuff is like hit or miss like Saturn's all Saturn Sega CD 32X that's always been expensive dreamcast is now starting to get really expensive.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and then PlayStation is the more interesting one because like a lot of play stations stuff kind of just stays where it's it's always been like the RPGs are obviously kind of expensive on.

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_01]: The original PlayStation and PS2.

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then Xbox is probably the most interesting excuse me because most original Xbox like no one cares about it and all the games are super cheap and then.

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_01]: 360 is like hit or miss a lot of 360 games are super cheap as well, but there is some expensive ones now.

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it seems like Xbox is like the one the one, um, I guess you could call it like franchise or line of consoles that doesn't really seem to.

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm sure eventually that'll change, but like pretty much throughout Xbox is entire existence.

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_02]: The prices have really only gone down for most of it.

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the difference between say Xbox and Nintendo is Microsoft like the original Xbox like despite being technically a failure.

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, of a console compared to the PlayStation 2 because let's face the PlayStation 2 murdered everybody that generation.

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and every generation.

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the PS3 360 error technically the Wii 1.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, one of the same. Yes, the PS2 specifically murdered every generation.

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, I mean that the Switch is close, the Switch has been very close.

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is versatile. You know, that covers all the bases.

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_01]: The DS almost beat it like the DS was was very close, but in terms of consoles, yeah, the other the PS2 is kind of this untouchable force.

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah, the I think the reason why Xbox stuff has sustained so cheap is Microsoft printed a lot of Xbox games that didn't sell.

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_01]: The reason why GameCube is so absurdly expensive right now is the game cube didn't sell well at all in reality when you look at the numbers.

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_01]: So there's like already not a huge supply and the demand is so high that it's basically everything is.

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've done particularly with GameCube right now.

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Which was really funny too because like I never had an S60 foreground out, but I had a game cube and I had like nothing for it games for it. And just kind of how I could dust I don't even know what happened to I think I might have traded it in a game stop.

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Not back in the adventure.

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Back in the day when a game stops just had GameCube's up the bazoo.

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I got mine for five bucks because it was broken apparently.

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Gotcha.

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I plugged it in, it wasn't broken they've just done that game stop.

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_01]: That's about right.

[00:11:22] Yeah.

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I've read a bunch more doctors lump this week.

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Nice.

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I'm only on like volume three right now but like I read like a good five six seven chapters before I go to bed most nights so nice.

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm chipping away at that.

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time, like as much as I'm enjoying it.

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I kind of feel like I want to break it up with a different manga so that I'm not just changing off Dr. Slump but then I'll be like all I should have know where Dr. Slump now you know what I mean.

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, I'm trying to think of like another like more serious manga to read like subsequently.

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And I've a toy around with a few different ideas but I don't know which one I want to go with.

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you have any recommendations or whatever.

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_02]: It's something that I could read on a show and jump on show and jump.

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I mean, I mean, I know we talked about like certain things to read for the show so I didn't know if maybe we should go with one of those or.

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_02]: But I should just read something else for pawn.

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I think we were saying we were going to read a super drag and ball super was going to be the next one.

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because we were going to alternate like we're going to do like a couple a couple of lines of super then we're going to go to.

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Something else.

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_01]: That's fair.

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I think, I mean, if you're on the show and jump app, you said you wanted serious or does it.

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, not necessarily I was just saying like having like a more serious like more serious in Dr. Slump, which is pretty much anything but Dr. Slump.

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I was going to say the cogiest of a manga is on show and jump technically.

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_02]: That is true. I have toy with the idea of reading that one too, but there is also like I also want to start reading chains on man and you just.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And so it's also worth a part of a lot of I heard a lot of very good things about down to down.

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was on there.

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Our buddy Chris over at a novel console loves it. So that's one of the things.

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_01]: It didn't get into.

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of manga in there that I definitely want to read. It's just a matter of deciding which one to start with because what I get into something.

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I tend to banish through it until there's nothing left.

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Chainsawman is incredibly bingeable like that one goes really quick.

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_01]: If you want something that's wacky but also kind of serious, I highly recommend sockabotor days.

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I might have tapped that on my feet because I I favored a bunch of stuff that I was planning on getting to a point for another. I think I might have tapped that one.

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a college. He's was hot in here. I had it with one of those.

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that guy like I had things to say I guess.

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess so.

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I just kind of I've been wanting to kind of read some more stuff and not just exclusively retiree. I'm right now.

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_02]: As much as I love it, like I don't want to just binge through all of Dr. Slump and then just be kind of leftier.

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, alright. What do I do now? Yeah.

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I did get a couple more three and ones of the U.M on goods. So I'm slowly kind of chipping away at that one.

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm. Yeah, that's definitely one that I want to read through all the way. I've read through more than half of it I believe.

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_02]: But I'd ever got the rest of the volumes. I think I still need like four or three and ones.

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, I can read them on the chunk and jump either way. I just like having the physicals.

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, if you want something more serotonlike darker or not really darker but more like a.

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess polar opposite of like Toriama there's a black rover.

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_02]: That's true that is what I was thinking. I don't know if I want to read that or watch it first though. I'm not sure.

[00:15:10] Through.

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_01]: It is a long anime.

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because it's one of those things where like I feel like where is this plenty of anime for that one? I would want to read that.

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_02]: But then they have like chains on managed to kize and we're like, yeah, we have some anime for those.

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_02]: But there's a lot more manga than there is anime and I'm already kind of invested in those stories.

[00:15:30] You know.

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_02]: So there's also one punch man and you know, there's a lot of stuff on the show to jump.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_01]: We got the news recently due to kize and sending five chapters.

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I know what's wild. I think it sits on the bottom of this court but like due to kize and sending my heroes ending.

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Demons layers ending like so many of these like I don't know what the new.

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess I'm offended.

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know what the current generation of anime fans is going to do all of their generation shows are all ending.

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the currently the current biggest shown in that's still going.

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I guess there's a well there's chains on man.

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And then there's a spy family.

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's also such a rough, rough, rough fresh air compared to most.

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Most shonans like right now agreed.

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm caught up on that though so through a waiting week to week for that and that one's not even see that manga kind of.

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I've always been a little bit reading it week to week because you know how when you're reading the manga every now then you have like the little short mission.

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_02]: How the time to let merits like two three pages of just like a little job thing.

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, some weeks they'll just release one of those instead of a full chapter and that's just really irritating.

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_01]: That's how it ends up and keeps up with his schedule because endo is very.

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_01]: He appears to not be the quickest.

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Manga code there right now.

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I get that but it's like it already only releases like once every two weeks.

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the best.

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So I saw a week I waited two weeks to a month for a new chapter and all I got was three pages like.

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Flow of knowing.

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I saw.

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't read it yet but apparently you're finally made an appearance again because she hasn't been in the god damn book and like on so far.

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the most recent chapter we actually got some some forter family shenanigans.

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_01]: The the the the titular spy family actually appeared in the book spy family.

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because that was a big.

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_01]: That was a big controversy online for a while.

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_01]: But it was like where the fuck is your she hasn't been in the book in months.

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, where's my wife who.

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Literally literally.

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, yes, I've aside from reading my against up.

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I am of course naturally.

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I finished watching all the MC used up and I was like, you know what?

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to go watch all the fox Marvel movies so that's what I've been doing this week.

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and I finished watch the last one that I hadn't seen today and that was the most recent fantasy form movie.

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Which I didn't like as much as the older ones.

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it wasn't bad.

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_02]: But it was like darker and thin, forced stick.

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, whatever.

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_02]: These yeah.

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I remember when that came out and it's not go over well.

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't a huge fan.

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was well made and everything but like the it just didn't flow right to me.

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, that's it.

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just like fucking pop up just appeared over over the screen.

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, god damn technology.

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's annoying.

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I can still see your face.

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_02]: It was okay.

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I just can't see my.

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, but um, yeah other than that.

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Nothing else super crazy in the news.

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, fucking dare devil as a serious time capsule with that soundtrack.

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_02]: True.

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know where the last time you watched that movie was but a holy shit.

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Like the fucking like like early 2000s emo music was real in that movie.

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like watching one of the old Dragon Ball movies with all the fucking new

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_01]: middle.

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what reminded me of.

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was fucking it was wild.

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_02]: It was kind of cool though.

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Like you see in that like the old school superhero movie like just dark for no reason.

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I'm not ironically kind of loved the old those Dragon Ball movies with the fucking new metal screaming music.

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_01]: But I'll meet you.

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't fit.

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't fit at all, but it's fucking amazing at the same time.

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so we should probably get into our topic before we completely go out there.

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_01]: We go through radio and talk about something else for half the episode.

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was gonna say we saw 10 more episodes before we,

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_02]: you know, I can hit for X average.

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we go full 3DO and talk about something else for most of the episode.

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_01]: So the dreamcast.

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_01]: That happened.

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Then we talked about the game for like a minute.

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_01]: It was the game was pretty, it was pinball.

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_01]: There was nothing much to say.

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what do you want to say about pinball?

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like one game is pinball.

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_01]: The other game is pinball, but you play as the ball.

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_01]: But they're bad.

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but yeah, let's shift over to our topics.

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_01]: So this one has been kind of a long time coming.

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_01]: It's been kind of a running beam of this podcast since we started it.

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_01]: For this episode, we're going to be doing a bit of a retrospective on Rooney Kenshin.

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes indeed.

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I finally finished the anime.

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_01]: The original anime.

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_02]: It is really true, like we have been like an overarching thing throughout the entirety of our podcast.

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Because we did our first live action on the first of those movies.

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_02]: That was that third episode I believe.

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And ever since then you've been watching the anime and it's been a bit since you started it.

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well almost there was a year.

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_01]: There was a very large gap in between finishing season two and starting season three.

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_01]: So, for obvious reasons that we'll get to.

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think since we started the new version has finished its first season.

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And the second season is very close to being on its way.

[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Which I am very excited about.

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully that will do well.

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And we will get proper inclusion of like the Shishio arc.

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Because let's face it.

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_01]: The quote unquote adaption of the Shishio arc in reflections was kind of ass.

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to lie.

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you mean the.

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_02]: The.

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Shishio is the mummy guy.

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh right, right.

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Not Shishio.

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I forget the guy with the glasses.

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know his name.

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_01]: His.

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_01]: His Kencens X brother and law.

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_02]: That guy, which is a whole thing in itself.

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_02]: If you only watch the original anime never watch the OVA's or live action movies,

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_02]: you didn't even know he had a brother or a lot.

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_01]: No, it comes.

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_01]: It comes out of nowhere.

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Because the the the series is pretty straightforward for its first two arcs.

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_01]: But the.

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_01]: The key to Tokyo arc and then the Kyoto arc I believe.

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And then it goes completely off into like other territory.

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_02]: To the first season of the show, I thought was really interesting because it pretty much.

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_02]: It was almost entirely two in three part stories.

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_02]: For that first maybe like 20 30 episodes.

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and I like that structure a lot.

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, because it was really digestible.

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel.

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And the show is actually really awesome.

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I had a score.

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_01]: It is.

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_01]: It's very interesting.

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_01]: To me, the most interesting part of it.

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and in issue, in issue, this is name.

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Who I actually, I funny enough.

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, and it's here up to you.

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_02]: In the live action, I believe he is played by.

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_02]: The actor who plays Zoro in the one piece live action.

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty good.

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I said, I'm going to watch both of those.

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_01]: But um.

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so I guess like we will start with.

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm only just like kind of casually into the manga at the moment.

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to read through most of it because I want to get to the.

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_01]: In issue arc, the final arc just to get the proper conclusion of the story.

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_01]: What I have seen all of the 96 anime with the good doves, not the shitty Sony dub.

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, media flashes all the way.

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Good old good old anime works.

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And I've also I've seen the three OVA's.

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't watched any of the 20, the new the new series yet.

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to need a break before I jump into that under.

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like when you when you jump into that it'll be fresher too and since you're also.

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Dabbling into the manga you'll.

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_02]: It'll feel more accurate when you're watching it because when when you haven't.

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I've only read like the first few chapters of the manga.

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Which actually come to think of anything that's what I should read.

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_02]: But I could already tell it just from those first few chapters that I read that the new anime is way more accurate to the.

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I got to ask like this start.

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_01]: What did what do your thoughts on me of the media blasters dub?

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I thought it works really well for the time.

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_02]: It's definitely a time capsule.

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_01]: It's incredibly aged.

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I also this past year watched the original Trygun.

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like they have very similar vibes even though they definitely have very different settings and very different.

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Divided different styles for art and character and stuff, but I'd add a very similar tones to them.

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Where it's like the whole wanderer helping people as he goes.

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Vow not to kill kind of thing.

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it definitely was kind of an interesting.

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Wist on a shone in because like I'm so used to like people are getting fucking murdered every fucking five minutes.

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Or people looking like they're getting murdered and then they just get up in episode later and like, oh man that was rough.

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for only conscience interesting because of the whole idea that tension doesn't kill.

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he essentially has because his old gimmick is the reverse played sort he essentially has he it's basically a club.

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_01]: But he just bashes people with the hunk of metal.

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Pretty much I mean, I like the idea that like the way that sword is designed is that like it's kind of like a.

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Libertally is a reverse played sword because like he's he doesn't use the sharp end but if like he fucks up that sharp end is going right at him so yeah, which is a very interesting.

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_01]: The movie actually live action actually played with that a little bit the show not so much.

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I think the show kind of forgot about it at the time.

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the remake play with it a little bit too.

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I got to read more of the manga because I'm curious if the manga also did.

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I have to assume.

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I have to say though like the one thing that I'm also kind of hesitant to watch the new series is I'm just so used to Richard Gustano as like ancient.

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, see.

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't mind the can't you voice change as much.

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Not that's a stonoccan can't see no this is name.

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't mind the can't you voice replacement as much.

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I think that how it long I think is his name.

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, who plays him in the new one.

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he does a good job it it's more so like synosk and especially.

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_02]: The house is name.

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know I'm blanking on it right now.

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, but the little guy.

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Psycho, psycho.

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, psycho. Oh yeah, because he's he's steep blue, isn't he?

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, that's that's that's.

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Shishio.

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Shishio.

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't remember the name of the guy who played psycho in the media flash was dubbed but.

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_02]: His voice just fits the character design a lot more for me.

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Because in the media blast is dubbed he has more of like kind of a raspy like.

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, man, I don't know how to describe slippery like kind of like a slippery voice you know what I mean.

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_02]: He has a kind of voice that he has the kind of voice it says like this guy's shifty, you know, which fits with his character.

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_02]: In the remake he has like one of those deep gruff like Chris Abbot type voices and that's just not sit well with me at all.

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he was a Kirkthord in the original.

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, that's that's interesting I didn't even take notice that.

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess that makes sense though because he he he's voiced by bill buts in the new one.

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he Kirkthord know that makes a lot of sense and then senosuke is a lex Lang.

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, it was better known these days as a professor you doctor Neo Cortex crash fantasy but yeah.

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I mean some of like I said some of the voice changes I don't like as much cow roots a lot less annoying in the remake.

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, to give Carl some credit in the 96 that was just like the style at the time.

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_02]: No and I totally get that but you know it gets old after you know 25 90s anime with the same situation with the lady character you know me.

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, see this is why I like any yashis so much because Kiko made was a trend center.

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, she actually stood up for herself at the time.

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that I liked I like um.

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yahi ko, is that his name?

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep Wendy Lily at the leaf was his voice actress and the original.

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, in the um the remake I don't remember the actress's name but I believe it's the same actress who plays Borato.

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I know not all of them have announced they are for reasons that we've.

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody knows the situation involving the author so we're not going to I've into that again.

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but yeah there's a lot of the actors for the um the new series initially none of them were announced in a lot of them came out eventually.

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Basically confirmed who they were but it's still not all of them yet so that's it's a little up in the air.

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which I don't know it just kind of bizarre to just be like oh yeah, I just going to go ahead and hide my name on this project.

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I just like all right I just feel like if you do that feel that strongly about it the way to in the first place but whatever.

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it was their choice I think that was the studio's choice because that's why a lot of them came out and announced it after.

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_02]: True, but you know again, if you feel that strongly about it, why do it in the first place?

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the studio too.

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean there's I'm amazed it's getting a season two because they were they tried to bury the fuck out of it.

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean it's one of those it's one of those series that just has staying power I mean well that that's the worst part about it is like I always tell everybody I'm like this is.

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I know that I know the the whole idea of separate the artist from the art is a it's not the easiest thing for everything some people have a tough time with that this is one of the few cases where like I think the story is so.

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Good that like you kind of have to separate the artists from the art.

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean I I went out of my way specifically to buy all my manga second hand.

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just so he got my money don't you technically after now because I don't have a bit print it anymore.

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Well yeah I'm pretty well you can still buy like new old stock that's like still out there like you can go to a new very comics and find like the other three and one's brand new still.

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Gotcha.

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I found a guy on eBay who's selling his entire collection and just bought it so.

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Can me.

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that's one way people have been doing it.

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, well we're not going to dwell in that for too long.

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_01]: People know and if you don't look it up and make your own choice on that matter.

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, David back in the story for for season one, which of those little like two to three episode story lies did you like the most?

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And and why.

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_01]: So I really like the I forget his name but the the guy with the weird like pseudo powers the one that kidnapped Scar.

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_01]: The one the one for the movie the movie adapted it and it was in the in the show I rock with a show you he was a much creepier villain.

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, for sure like whatever like the art style that used for him like made him like he almost looked like a zombie or a vampire or something.

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm yeah and it was I really like that arc just because that is a very effective arc because it really does show like pension almost kills in that arc.

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm like he gets so close and car room has the snap of a matter of it.

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's probably the closest he gets in this series.

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly like he turns the later on he's about to do it and then because car was straight up dying in the corner the whole time because he's she's got that weird like mental thing going on.

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she's like suffocating she has like a like a deer and the headlight's kind of situation with like the hypnosis thingy going on.

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this show plays the whole like there's a really thin line between like because the show is very much for the most part.

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Very like natural especially in its fighting choreography.

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_01]: But it it definitely sits on that edge of like the line of like it where it goes into the fantastical at times.

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Some of the fights are like okay yeah I get it's supposed to be practical but the he tensions like jumping like through the air and flying at times and I'm like okay.

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there we'll go with this.

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Another really good arc two is the one where there's the.

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_01]: The rich kid that wants to learn the sword and he ends up he chooses the master who's this complete obvious villain and he doesn't get it at first in this guy's just using him for all his money.

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that one's pretty good there's a lot of like these really small kind of like that these very small kind of just like.

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Not super deep but but kind of like they're just kind of familiarizing you with the characters.

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that having a giant overarching plot because that's the thing about the first season is there really isn't a huge overarching plot yet.

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd say the closest thing is probably when.

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_02]: What's this name.

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_02]: The Sekhi hotel guy no not Sekhi hotel.

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I see a little one that the ninja guys the leader of yeah.

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm blank you guys is but I want us to watch this series.

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I know who you're talking about I can't get the name stuff the life of me.

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that it is kind of in a way because it sets up for the following arc where he kind of becomes like a bigger villain.

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_02]: But also he it's kind of a weird situation with him because he's like a villain but he's not a villain.

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_02]: He's more of an antagonist really.

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's more is more doing it for like the classic like samurai arm honor kind of thing rather than maliciousness.

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_01]: There was a few filler arcs to in season one like there was the whole arc with that.

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_01]: The lady pirate.

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I like that one that one was correct as filler goes.

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_01]: It was actually kind of bummed that was filler because I was looking forward to reading the manga version of it.

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like oh, guess that ain't happening.

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was a pretty far one.

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_01]: There was a lot of added characters for the anime to that aren't in the manga like there's the whole like the doctor and like the two like little girls just appear all the time.

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I think they are included in the remake as well.

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Are they?

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I've so much to it.

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe maybe they just don't show up until a little bit later on the manga I'm not sure.

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I will say though this there is a lot of slapstick humor in this that I'm not sure ages as well as like a more modern anime like.

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever tension gets hit with something he makes this like oh sound like all the time and it's like okay you get very like you're going to hear that a lot like Richard Cassino like really gets into it at times.

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_01]: There's so many points to where like tensions not doing anything and he just gets lumped into like whatever yacht yeah he going like whatever the bullshit going on.

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_01]: It's in the car group ends up being the target of cars reach.

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's just like doing the laundry or the shopping or whatever he's getting sucked into whatever is going on.

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a great one where like yeah he goes doing his like stick of calling car ugly or some reason and like she goes to beat him up and then she just beats Ken should have no reason.

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't even do anything.

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_01]: He was just there and it's like all right.

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_01]: It's 90 shown in all right.

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah they definitely played up because from what I've seen it's not nearly as present in the new series.

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I was a lot more properly characterist.

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh for sure.

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I did like the little mini arc.

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_02]: It might have even just been one episode but when Yai Hiko gets the little crush on the girl that works at the restaurant.

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I loved the heckled by all the she getting heckled by the gangsters or whatever and like he's like kind of like suddenly trying to ask for advice about how to fight multiple enemies.

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_02]: But then later on in the episode you just see Ken's and so no scale like hiding on the roof ready to jump in if he needs them.

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And like yeah Hiko catches catches on to them and like they're just like making insect sounds pretending like they're not there.

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah that was good.

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Also I love the owner of the restaurant that they keep always visited has just has this stereotypical for some reason like whenever they want to do so.

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Whenever it's a they do like a character who has a specific Japanese like dialect they always give them like the southern bell like accents for no reason.

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_01]: She's always just funny to me.

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_01]: That character is great too.

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But she's always always always like characters.

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_01]: There is the characters are really well written like there's also the.

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_01]: When we get introduced to a me there's the whole like love for a little hark between her car room and Ken's but Ken's completely oblivious to everything he's just there.

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, is that typical shown in protagonist well friends when it comes to sexual anything.

[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Well we find out later why he's not quite interested but well not really paying attention more than anything.

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Because he's got some baggage that we don't even know what's hilarious is like this baggage doesn't become a thing until.

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Didn't nearly halfway through the manga or the story essentially.

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Even like the the whole like.

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Baggage regarding relationship you never find out about that there in the anime you need to watch the OVA's to learn about that.

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because.

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll get to it.

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_01]: We get to season three but there's a certain filler episode that I'm like wow they just think about this out of their ass not even realizing.

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_02]: So if I be totally honest, I don't remember a ton from like the Shishio arc and I especially don't remember much from the filler arc.

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I just remember.

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I just remember the Christian art being rough.

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_01]: The the Christian art is rough.

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I will say like what's funny is with the season three.

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Well I guess we'll get into it now because it's completely non canon the entire way through.

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Basically the show rant the manga caught the show caught up to the manga and they had to wait for more manga to be written so they tried to stretch the show out with filler and the filler was so bad it got the show canceled.

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is rough.

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty bad when it's that bad because like even Naruto didn't get canceled for its filler and Naruto's filler was usually pretty bad.

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Naruto at least like would space it out and they'd have can and stuff usually at least somewhat close.

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_01]: This was the legit entire 26 episodes season of nothing but filler.

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's true.

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Which unless you're like, Dragon Ball Super with that entire section of filler one shots.

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_01]: You got to have really good story telling girls it's going to flop hard.

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, see I don't mind I don't mind one shot filler episodes, those are fun but like when you have like an entire like arc.

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Like if I had to sit through like three hours of filler arc then I'm not into it all then that's bad.

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Well like they're one of the episodes I know in particular is like.

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_01]: There's this whole thing we're like Karu suddenly gets like wedding fever and she wants to get married for the entire episode and tension ends up catching a fish that swallowed some dudes wedding proposal ring.

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And it ends up flying out of the fish's mouth and landing right on Karu's finger and it just becomes a whole thing we're like Karu thinks she's engaged to catch in for no reason.

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And Kenchen has no fucking idea and then we find out who's wedding ring that is it's some poor guy that was about to propose to his like girlfriend.

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And he really needs to ring back.

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_01]: It's about right.

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then they have to break it to Karu that they need to give that ring back.

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_02]: There was another filler arc too was narrower was like all based around Feng Shui.

[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that happened.

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was pretty bad too.

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think I blocked a lot of that up my mind.

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's just so bad like it completely goes nowhere.

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_01]: There's that whole arc involving like that weird there's like two religious arcs actually in like that thing because there's the first one and then there's like a leader one but like this anarchy symbols everywhere in shit or like be a the Satanic star.

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like this is just bizarre.

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's got filler in the ideas.

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean the Kenchen season three is bad like it is a.

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's not surprising this bomb.

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, I warned you.

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I had to finish it.

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I had to at least know because if I just said a left it I would have been very.

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_01]: What have always been it would have nagged me that my my tracking apps would have just never been finished they would have been ended at the end of season two.

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_01]: That's fair.

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, going back though we should cover the Shishio arc a little bit it's because that's like considered the best arc in the series.

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh for sure.

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And for good reason.

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, I mean it's it's essentially like the main villain is Kenchen's successor.

[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Got like burned to a crisp to the point where like he somehow lived and like now he just radiates heat.

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like for some reason being sad and fire means that he's like permanently has like a consistently rising temperature and if he doesn't keep it in check, he'll just burst into flames.

[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's bizarre.

[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of reminded me of the guy that becomes like Naraku in a in a Yasha.

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I honestly also steeple.

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Was that steeple?

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I thought that was Paul Dawson.

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, what I meant Naraku.

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought Naraku was Paul Dawbson.

[00:45:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Not fairly certain that was steeple.

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I will do check it after the episode, but uh, I don't know.

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, like a Shishio is he's definitely the most interesting villain so far because I still haven't read the final arc.

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_01]: But he um there's a couple cool parts that happen throughout this like this the whole like Edson.

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Well basically it starts off with like the the leader of like Japan at the time gets fucking murdered like in his wagon.

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was like um like Ken Shenzul.

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if he's like a superior during the revolution or at the were just like buddies or something but I know he was trying to get Ken Shenzul to come and work for him again.

[00:46:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Right before he was killed.

[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting too because he was a pretty significant character in the first season and then like he just gets killed like so early on in um.

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_01]: During that sort of on during this the the second season that you're like holy shit.

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and then Ken Shenzul basically after that he's like, all right, I have to go now to deal with this and he just straight up leaves in like you get that iconic scene of like him.

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Basically leaving Carl in the forest with the fireflies.

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, super dramatic.

[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean it's it's probably the most the most like on like par part of like the series like where it's not being it's super dramatic, but it makes sense.

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but then she's like like grief, stricken and bad feeling.

[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, she goes she goes through like this like traumatic like like post traumatic stress disorder.

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_01]: It is like completely just like.

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like completely just out of it pretty much and then the goomy has to basically like slap the shit out of it get her get her back to normal.

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Pretty well.

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I will say though, I kind of felt bad that the groovy just gets left behind during this arcanized stay home all the rest of them go.

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, meet up with Ken Shenzul.

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I liked I like set out set out skates like little training arc leading up to like the big confrontation in in Kyoto.

[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, that was a cool that was that was cool.

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_01]: So no, this guy is just an interesting character in general like yeah, I definitely like him a lot as a character for sure.

[00:47:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I love his big dumb sword that gets fucking forgotten after one episode and then he just punches everything to death after that.

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I hope when he's introduced and like he's fighting Ken Shenzul and like he's like how do you keep dodging that this this sword this great huge badass sword.

[00:48:17] [SPEAKER_02]: These like dude the sword so fucking big you can always swing it two ways.

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, it's got you like when he talking about it was also like delish it to like it was completely useless weapon it was mostly just a giant sword that's all it did.

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Just giant hunk of metal pretty much.

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I also like how Sinozuki is always like trying to skip out on his tab to at the bar of the restaurant.

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, just a free loader pretty much like three loads there.

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Free free loads at carousels the dojo basically anywhere again.

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Love the one time he actually like paid for everything was because he had ulterior motives.

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:48:58] [SPEAKER_02]: He's actually my was by personal favorite little arc of that first season was when he like meets up with his old buddy from the second heo tie.

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And they like kind of agreed that they're going to go back into it and go against the government and shit.

[00:49:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I also because we get drunk our room in that arc and that was pretty fun from carousel is interesting.

[00:49:18] [SPEAKER_01]: She she's up there with like, you're from spy family and like to go away where they just become completely useless.

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And down right dangerous at times.

[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, she she goes from being goofy to crying to like angry very quick.

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, typical anime anime like the tropes from that era.

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to think there's also the whole arc where like the the reverse played sword gets broken and he has to like make a new get of new one forage and there's a whole arc around that.

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, actually the fight I think it's right before a story gets broken when he's fighting the views like oh I'm so fast I got a fast I am.

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And then can't just just like yeah what you're going kind of too fast and I just kept you going to the point where you just like completely mangled your own leg trying to turn.

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Like that was pretty cool.

[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_01]: There was some great fights during the um, during that entire arc especially the final fight between Kenchin and a T-Shio.

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, although I like to she goes like whole stick with his sword like I know like Kenchin is really rides the line where it's like there's no real superpowers but they like they take the realism of what's going on to the furthest extremity where it's borderline superpowers.

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, basically how they explain to she was like fire sword is like oh my sword is actually very finely serrated so that when I cut people their body flak gets wedged in the sword and then I scrape the sword on the ground and that catches the body fat on fire and that's why I have a fire.

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So like what the fuck you talking about.

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_02]: It's called anime.

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_02]: It makes sense and our universe.

[00:51:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, it just silly. Just like just give him superpowers.

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I know that all the way.

[00:51:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, that in like Kenchin's like ultimate move where he's just fucking like flying through the air and you just it's like yeah okay.

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I loved his little training. Our great goes back which his master is awesome. I love his master.

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_01]: He's always drunk and just doesn't give it back.

[00:51:40] [SPEAKER_02]: But I love the whole like bit where he's like going back to finishing finishes training and his master teaches him the move is like oh you you move so fast that you simultaneously attack all of your opponent's vital spots.

[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And like Kenchin's like yeah, I see how this is the ultimate attack.

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_02]: That's not the ultimate attack. This is the attack that you have to overcome to get the ultimate attack.

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which is literally just an attack from the sheet, which is like one of the most basic samurai skills ever is just attacking from the sheet.

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't you when he's going through his training and then let's keep body of gold.

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_01]: No worries. I love like when he's going through his training and then car because they they all get on the boat in chase after Kenchin after car stops like crying about it.

[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And the point where they finally reunited hilarious because like.

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Kenchin's just like grabbing some like wood I think and it's just like oh hi car and he just keeps walking him like doesn't acknowledge it at all.

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_01]: You just want to those like double take moments. It's like oh you're here. Oh hi we should probably talk about what happened, but I'm going to keep it.

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Shit you followed me damn.

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Baguages here.

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder who could have for seen this.

[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Caru kind of the she's not useless like a lot of like anime like.

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Damsels and district like the obvious love interest, but she does get in the way a lot.

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I wanted some I mean I still think how Roo is more useful than say Kaco.

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, your Kaco is entirely useless.

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_02]: But I mean she's supposed to be a fucking sword master like somebody's only teaching youngsters and she.

[00:53:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Rarely in fact, she doesn't even beat anybody during this arc.

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he co as the one who beats the villain that they're fighting.

[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that that annoyed me of it because like car is the few times car actually does use a sword and actually like fights.

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_01]: She's very proficient but it happens like twice in like the entire show.

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And they're always using the bamboo sword, which I mean I get I get the point of the the communist style of why why they use bamboo but it's like come on like.

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's very.

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_02]: If I had a nickel for every time her sword gets cut in half.

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, he goes as well.

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Basically anyone who isn't Kenchen.

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, at least in reflections he gets he inherits the reverse blade so eventually.

[00:54:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like a one thing in reflections but that's not but that's not canon so true.

[00:54:40] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll get to reflections because I'll boy where I got a lot to say about that movie.

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_01]: That bad.

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that I so I did actually like so.

[00:54:52] [SPEAKER_01]: CIO is actually like one of my favorite villains in like anime like just from like a concept because he is a great villain but he's also kind of like the little as a character.

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for sure because he even has done dirty for sure.

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_01]: The whole reason he's the way he is just he's got basically screwed over by.

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_01]: But he's been kind of like I the way I saw it is he's kind of like an extreme interpretation of what Kenchen would have been if he stayed as the.

[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they make a lot of a lot of comparisons between the two for that because we said early he is literally Kenchen's director placement after Kenchen decided to stop being the the bodicei the assassin essentially.

[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's got a very compelling story to him like his interactions with his like his little gang are really interesting like I like his interactions with his like girlfriend character there.

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the one who's basically the guy is by side but I like the fact that like.

[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_01]: She like loved him so much she like legit like uses like let's him basically kill her just to get a attention one last time.

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I bet just right at that for sure.

[00:56:10] [SPEAKER_01]: That scene was super like dark but also like really like fucking effective like when like you think he's done and then like Kenchen's over there doing like he's bored of like go cooling it or he's thinking about like sparing him and then fucking surprise nope and it's like okay saw this coming.

[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.

[00:56:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm also I'm going to coin the term go cooling it where the hero tries to spare the fucking villain.

[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:56:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And it back by.

[00:56:42] [SPEAKER_02]: That I don't know man there's just there's a lot of things about that art that I like but I just push.

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I just wish we had more of a conclusion with that original anime.

[00:56:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, hopefully the new anime we get that because right after that it's liberally into filler health.

[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Like there's also the filler where it's like there is one the filler somewhere it's like all these misfortunes are happening and it's like.

[00:57:10] [SPEAKER_01]: They have to um they have to like it's like this guy and it's like they he's like trying to get them to like.

[00:57:19] [SPEAKER_01]: He's trying to extort them from money basically by causing all these misfortunes like they have like the well that goes bad at their house and all this stuff.

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_01]: There was that one there's also the fake the Kenchen like the fake Kenchen that was running around those interesting.

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the other fake but has high.

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it always the other other but there was I there's a lot of people who pretended to be but there was I my favorite thing was like.

[00:57:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Where he's like look I have this the X shape scarred it's on his arm and everyone's like can't you and your scars on the wrong place he's like he catches like guys no.

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_01]: He just looked me to like really guys.

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, that one I as dumb as it was I didn't find that that whole arc amusing.

[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_01]: See that that one was like that one was kind of endearing see if that was like in the middle of like the actual stuff that would have been fine.

[00:58:11] [SPEAKER_01]: But because it's just in this like should show of like bullshit.

[00:58:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, also the final episode of the show where you also put off by like how the animation changes so fucking drastic.

[00:58:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I say it's been so long since I watched that that and bit.

[00:58:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I got to get that idea.

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like this completely just like nothing episode we're like.

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Caru just wakes up and Kencens gone and he's at the beach and she runs to go be with him but they use like realistic water like actual like video footage of water in the background for like the ocean and it looks so fucking weird.

[00:58:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Like did they there was a point when they were doing that with anime it was just a really jarring visual.

[00:59:05] [SPEAKER_01]: It looked her it looked horrendous like it was that but like because they were it was kind of like a.

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Because from what I read the final episode was done after the series got canceled and it was basically it was only on like a V8 the final VHS for the series when it was released and then they put it on the the box set but.

[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_01]: It's completely totally different than everything that was going on it's animations completely different studio entirely.

[00:59:35] [SPEAKER_01]: The voice actors are the same like they used they use the media blaster cast which was nice but it literally just does nothing and then it just ends and it's like.

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I see it.

[00:59:47] [SPEAKER_01]: It's so bizarre. Well, it like a thing where she wakes up and thinks they sort of wandering again and yeah and then like she changes after him and runs hugs him at the beach and then they kind of just they ended there but I'm distracted by the fucking ocean in the background because I thought that was super good.

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_02]: You think with like everything that had happened throughout the series both filler and cannon like.

[01:00:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Like especially after like the Kyoto thing like you know like if he wasn't going to leave he wouldn't just dip like he'd say something he said something last time he would say something again like.

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_01]: It's funny because he's literally just taking a walk on the beach like he's not even leaving he's just walking on the beach.

[01:00:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Bro, can you walk out to go take a pass and that her running out of screaming is me.

[01:00:33] [SPEAKER_02]: That girl's down bad as they say she's she's a she's a.

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she is. She sure is.

[01:00:46] [SPEAKER_02]: We missed a lot of characters in me.

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we completely didn't even talk about the only one while on group.

[01:00:52] [SPEAKER_02]: That was that was the name that's right.

[01:00:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we talked about the the the girl.

[01:00:58] [SPEAKER_02]: One girl that it's introduced during the Kyoto work.

[01:01:01] [SPEAKER_01]: She's very annoying.

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the voice actors that they chose for that character just it was so.

[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Grating of the years.

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Me, so me, so I was.

[01:01:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, voiced by.

[01:01:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Fill list.

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Stampler.

[01:01:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know who that is. I've never.

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know a lot of these actors like I know a few of them but like.

[01:01:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've never heard of her. She was very annoying. Nothing against the actors just that was the time.

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I yeah, it was definitely a style that a lot of.

[01:01:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Anime actress anime voice actresses. What with for their characters.

[01:01:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the character itself was fine.

[01:01:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I like the whole ninja thing that she had go on.

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_02]: It was mainly like the voice direction that I had the issue with.

[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_01]: It was the early days of like anime voice acting where like this before.

[01:02:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Funnamation really started the whole like proper in house stuff and.

[01:02:18] [SPEAKER_01]: The only real like the the most professional guys at the time were like the ocean group.

[01:02:23] [SPEAKER_01]: But they were expensive and that's why not a lot of people use them.

[01:02:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And even they added to the pretty cheesy.

[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, all in I mean, the original Dragon Ball like a.

[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Funnamation's first go around was pretty cheesy as well.

[01:02:38] [SPEAKER_01]: True.

[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Even 80 V was 80 V was pretty cheesy as an anime in dubbing in general was just kind of a cheese fest.

[01:02:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.

[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, oh yeah, that's another filler episode where like they they visit them in a in Tokyo.

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_01]: The the audio album group like both her and a.

[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Aashi the the quote unquote villain later hero like ally guy.

[01:03:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she that was an.

[01:03:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she.

[01:03:10] [SPEAKER_01]: He like comes to visit them at the thing and haven't catch it just all the girls go out to go do something.

[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, he go and um, so no skate have to go creep on them because anime at the time.

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Funny. But then like there's like a sub plot were Kenxin and a I ocean I ocean I was she I don't know how to say it pronounced that but um.

[01:03:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I believe in this series.

[01:03:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I said how she but oh, she don't know if that's actually the proper way to say it.

[01:03:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I've it there's literally a sub plot where they're just chilling at the dojo and he's like so what do you want to do?

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_01]: But he's like let's have tea and they just empty.

[01:03:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I can imagine that being a pretty awkward.

[01:03:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Ah, of course hang out.

[01:03:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the rest of the rest of them are off the go off like a.

[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_01]: So no skate, yeah, he or creeping on the girl so old time.

[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_02]: It could have made a real awkward and invited side to.

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_02]: He just thought they thought he was dead.

[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_01]: He disappears like halfway through the show and you never see him again.

[01:04:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's like he has his like his big fight towards the end of the Shishio arc and then you see him I think at the end of the arc and he just like.

[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, I'm going to dip now and then you never see him for the rest of this series.

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because he doesn't appear in the filler at all.

[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_02]: So those those are those are I'm curious to see if he turns up in the final arc.

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.

[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_01]: We should before we move on to the OVA is we should talk about the music of the series because it.

[01:04:45] [SPEAKER_01]: The music is like one of the things that most people are definitely crew they are not as big a fan of the new series.

[01:04:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I personally feel like the music from the original anime fits far better with the aesthetic and the tone of the show.

[01:05:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that works way better with a classic samurai type show.

[01:05:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Like the theme that plays very early on in like most of season one into in to season two, like whenever like tension appears like that very like kind of like it's it's a lot of wind instruments and like kind of very flu heavy but like it's kind of like tension steam when every shows up.

[01:05:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I do do do do do do do do do.

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that that that songs iconic like all the background stuff's great.

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Like it is a very fitting soundtrack, but I will say we've made the joke in the past.

[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_01]: What the fuck is freckles?

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Dude that is just like the most bizarre song ever heard my life and that says a lot because anime songs.

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_02]: A lot especially in the 90s where had a lot of nonsense shit in them, but the freckles took it to a whole middle level.

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, what's funny is.

[01:06:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Before so there's two other intro like themes in the series like later on, but both of them are kind of they're just fine like they're not there's nothing remarkable about them freckles though is like what the freckles starts with that really hard like 90s guitar rift and then it cuts to the drums and then it's like did did did did did did did did did did did did did did did did did did did did did did did did did did did did did did did did.

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_01]: That really like nasally high pitched singer the old English and the Japanese what's hilarious is that they start off with an English version and then halfway through they just give up and just use the Japanese one or like the rest.

[01:06:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't sure if that was if it was like that on DVDs too because I I watched it on my heart a hard drive because I we did like a little day exchange some friends because we all had hard drives and different shows and stuff so.

[01:07:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I believe I got mine from my friend Matt and yeah it was I didn't know if it was just because I got it that way or if that was actually how it was in the series with it's not they drop the English one very fast like they only use it for like the first like.

[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Like 20 like 13 episodes is only then it just Japanese one for the rest of it which really funny because it's not like the English is any better than the Japanese like.

[01:07:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I like it much on the bonbar.

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean I like being just one just because you can understand the lyrics and how fucking cheesy they like the lyrics to this song are literally rushed against those freckles that I hated so life goes on and I.

[01:07:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Heav a little sigh for you it's heavy the love I would share for you but it dissolves like it was just a sugar cube.

[01:07:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Like yeah it's it's pretty wild like there's there's a lot more of them and they get goofier and goofy here.

[01:07:57] [SPEAKER_02]: It really does like I remember I was watching the show with my wife while back we ended up falling you know I think it's because.

[01:08:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was what we're watching it on got rid of this show I think was what when max made like or when HBO max made the big change.

[01:08:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And they got rid of a bunch of their anime stuff that believe that's what we're watching it on but.

[01:08:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I remember we heard I were watching and we actually sat and watched the opening the song for the first time and I don't think I ever actually did that before that.

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And that was when we both were just kind of like looking at each other like what the fuck is going on.

[01:08:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Well it's starts out fine like that guitar is like it's like alright yeah this 90s and then it's just like drum beat like clap clap clap and then straight up like sugar cubes and shit.

[01:08:41] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like what yeah I want live though it is insanely catchy.

[01:08:48] [SPEAKER_01]: It's memorable I'll give it that I think it's certainly never forgot it.

[01:08:52] [SPEAKER_01]: It is like the definition of a year worm where like it just worms into your head and just stays there forever.

[01:08:59] [SPEAKER_01]: For sure.

[01:09:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a Lee actually did a cover of it which is kind of epic.

[01:09:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I can imagine she goes pretty hard with all of our covers she does especially the one piece film read covers because she plays the the main.

[01:09:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Intagueness slash the the singer of all the.

[01:09:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Songs in the movie so she did actual English versions of the song switch was kind of cool.

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_02]: No kidding I wasn't aware that.

[01:09:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I saw a scene film read yet I need to get around to it film film read's a good one it's not my favorite I prefer film Z but film read was good.

[01:09:37] [SPEAKER_01]: There.

[01:09:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm speaking of films or OVA's because there actually is for only tension the motion picture but I've never actually seen that.

[01:09:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I saw like the first five minutes of it.

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_02]: But all the voices for different and that threw me up so I stopped watching it.

[01:09:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah like every dub is fucking different in early tension it's weird there's so many.

[01:09:59] [SPEAKER_01]: There's so many fucking duffs.

[01:10:01] [SPEAKER_02]: There's like six separate cast for the series.

[01:10:04] [SPEAKER_02]: It's ridiculous.

[01:10:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Although both the Sony and media blasters do have the same tension it's because it's Richard casino in both.

[01:10:13] [SPEAKER_02]: But somehow for him because the scripts are very different.

[01:10:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah like he's he's really good in the one and then he sucks in the other one it's weird.

[01:10:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I gotta wish they just kept him for the remake.

[01:10:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Just go away why not.

[01:10:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Well if you want if you want a really funny like.

[01:10:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Funny thing.

[01:10:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Carru's voice actress is now Komi's mom and Komi can't communicate.

[01:10:36] [SPEAKER_01]: That's why she's aged quite a bit but it works for what she does now.

[01:10:42] [SPEAKER_01]: But she's forever 17.

[01:10:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah she is.

[01:10:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's how old car was.

[01:10:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:10:53] [SPEAKER_01]: But okay so the the OVA's there's three of them.

[01:10:59] [SPEAKER_01]: There was well there's technically more but we're going to talk about just the three ones that matter.

[01:11:05] [SPEAKER_01]: So there was trust betrayal and reflections.

[01:11:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Which trust and betrayal is kind of like a two part special.

[01:11:13] [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's basically one giant movie that they just couldn't have.

[01:11:19] [SPEAKER_01]: So these ones were handled by ADV and they still use like the samurai X like naming scheme rather than the rather than the.

[01:11:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Rather than a Roni Kenshin for whatever reason.

[01:11:34] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah trust and betrayal are very interesting because they are actually the.

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_01]: They're actually the next official like cannon stuff that would have been covered after the end of the issue are where they do like the backstory.

[01:11:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:11:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And I have to say I really did like these two it goes really hard.

[01:11:53] [SPEAKER_01]: It does it's so it's the same animation studio that did the that final episode of.

[01:12:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Of of the of the 96 show I think it's like I think it's studio dean actually did them.

[01:12:08] [SPEAKER_01]: But animation wise it looks pretty good very violent like tension actually kills in this extremely because this is when he was still.

[01:12:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Like deep it is but to us ideas and they go real deep with the violence as blood is you know it's wild.

[01:12:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah like we get his old I mean his old back stories tragic where he was just a little kid that was like surround like in this like.

[01:12:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Slave camp basically of like in like all these women were like protecting him and he basically had to witness them all getting murdered before he was.

[01:12:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Rescued by his master at the time.

[01:12:41] [SPEAKER_02]: If I remember correctly he had to hide under their corpses.

[01:12:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah like that definitely to and she's got a lot of trauma involving like the women in his life.

[01:12:51] [SPEAKER_01]: He hides it pretty well though.

[01:12:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah you wouldn't know it until until you see this movie.

[01:13:00] [SPEAKER_01]: So like we kind of like see his whole like rise into becoming the the the the bottom side like the assassin that he is.

[01:13:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And like we get that iconic like scene where he murders a bunch of these.

[01:13:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, uh, where they like soldiers or what they like samurai I was really sure.

[01:13:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that they were so they were samurai but they were at least one of them in particular was also maybe the son of a political figure something like that.

[01:13:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I know they were important or at least that one guy was important.

[01:13:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Well yeah I'm just I'm just the particular thing that we're going to get to.

[01:13:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah like because he basically murders like so they're there before he kills them they're kind of all walking around and just talking about how like one of them is about to get married.

[01:13:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's going to be a big big big thing for him and then Kenjan just shows about him nowhere just fucking brutal access to his men like they're oh yeah messes him up dead in a second though the one though that was significant he fights back a little bit but still hopefully it's murdered.

[01:14:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I don't jams but he does your men you recall if you recall the live action when I said that was important now you know why yeah.

[01:14:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Because he actually does manage to get a hit on Kenjan and he actually gives Kenjan one and one half of his crush ship scar.

[01:14:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Which.

[01:14:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was an interesting character thing like how he gets the scar.

[01:14:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And how it's it's like a kind of a weird magical scar that bleeds when he's when he's in like when he's going through trauma basically.

[01:14:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah like refuses to heal.

[01:14:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And I love the fact that like he just murders.

[01:14:51] [SPEAKER_01]: He murders this guy and then immediately like gets like as he's leaving he gets in count of encounters this woman who we find out.

[01:15:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Like shortly after it was the fiance of the guy that he murdered.

[01:15:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah and she just completely just takes him to an inn and like doesn't even question it.

[01:15:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and then um so as it goes on I believe actually the guy who was assassinated at the beginning of the Shishio art.

[01:15:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I believe pretty much was like came to conclusion that Kenjan was kind of losing it and he was getting way too deep into the murderous like stage of the potato size stuff.

[01:15:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Pretty much becoming what Shishio ended up put a bed.

[01:15:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and he kind of like tells that woman to be his wife to kind of temper him down a bit.

[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Well because before that like there's like the scenes of them.

[01:15:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Because he takes her to the inn and then because she basically because her after her.

[01:15:57] [SPEAKER_01]: The honestly is murdered just the she ever find out Kenjan's the one that killed him.

[01:16:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I believe so.

[01:16:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I think she knew that from the start because we find out later on that she was also hired to kill him by the opposite side.

[01:16:15] Right.

[01:16:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I remember like when she takes him to the inn because she basically has nowhere to go now.

[01:16:21] [SPEAKER_01]: She ends up working at the end and like there's that really fucking fucking scene where like they're all like eating and they're all like.

[01:16:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't you where'd you get the frost to you.

[01:16:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like yeah.

[01:16:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I want to check her for diseases and I'm just like holy I'm like fuck.

[01:16:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I get it's that it's that ever of Japan where it was different put like it's like damn they were fucking they didn't get a shit.

[01:16:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's also really jarring too because it like you watch it after watching this really like nice wholesome 90s.

[01:16:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Samurai show and then all of a sudden is like hey, prostitute.

[01:16:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but make sure you don't get the siff.

[01:16:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was like just bizarre like I get it very different tones very different tones.

[01:17:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just one of those who feel like weird shifts because this shows dark like this one in particular like these movies.

[01:17:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Like straight up murder like almost her name that's right.

[01:17:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, oh.

[01:17:24] [SPEAKER_01]: She is very much a shrinking violet character.

[01:17:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:17:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Like um she's like in a perpetual state of misery basically.

[01:17:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but then like obviously like as they live in together and they're kind of like having that little peaceful.

[01:17:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Life and separation for all the craziness going on in the country.

[01:17:46] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, they they do form a bond and ultimately do come to love each other.

[01:17:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Which causes a lot of complications.

[01:17:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, because we get we get visited by he gets visited by her brother at one point in her brother immediately hates him.

[01:18:03] [SPEAKER_01]: We find out more of that later.

[01:18:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Also like she has that.

[01:18:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I like the way Kenchen discovers the knife that she has on him on her at all times.

[01:18:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which is interesting there and like how like he comments like hey you didn't take your knife with you this time.

[01:18:21] [SPEAKER_01]: But just casually.

[01:18:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I will say like the dub for this movie's not great like this is one of ADV's weaker dogs I'd say.

[01:18:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Kenchen's voice was okay I guess.

[01:18:39] [SPEAKER_01]: But when you said it next to the series, it's not awful like no it's it's basically like this passable the way I saw it is it's essentially the same voice if you had less personality.

[01:18:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Which I guess I end up makes sense.

[01:18:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, in context it makes sense for me to be like that.

[01:19:00] [SPEAKER_01]: We should get into the whole betrayal part though, which is kind of a double betrayal in a way because like he gets betrayed by the guy who was like his like quote unquote buddy the entire time but he actually sold them out.

[01:19:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And then.

[01:19:17] [SPEAKER_01]: At the end like when Tomo leaves he goes after and the the most tragic scene and this is the scene where like Kenchen's fighting out there and like he ends up.

[01:19:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Basically accidentally killing her.

[01:19:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I think she she jumps the way like reading the style.

[01:19:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she basically jumps right in front of his strike because she she's basically she doesn't.

[01:19:43] [SPEAKER_01]: The whole over and everything is that she doesn't want him to kill anymore.

[01:19:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Which you know fees.

[01:19:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Beamed yeah.

[01:19:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And like.

[01:19:51] [SPEAKER_01]: The symbolism to his app as she's dying she can use his airplane and it's the other scar.

[01:19:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the other part of me.

[01:20:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is like kind of fucked up when you think about it.

[01:20:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Because it's like I was going to mark you like that so every time you see your reflection you're going to remember this traumatic experience like.

[01:20:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, honestly.

[01:20:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Symbolism.

[01:20:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no kidding.

[01:20:20] [SPEAKER_02]: It is kind of a nice some full circle from how it starts with him killing her fiance and stuff.

[01:20:27] Yeah.

[01:20:28] [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of crazy though that he was married this whole time and he just never gets brought up at all during the series.

[01:20:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no kidding.

[01:20:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how much of that was thought out because I know that story wasn't told to the manga until later.

[01:20:46] [SPEAKER_02]: So I might not it might even come up with that at first.

[01:20:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Tell me was a weird character because she's kind of like a relic of the series like because she doesn't have much personality.

[01:20:59] [SPEAKER_01]: He's literally she's like symbolic more than anything.

[01:21:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.

[01:21:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Because she's essentially that she was the start of tensions like you have to from the assassin to wanderer.

[01:21:11] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I think I goofed.

[01:21:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that wasn't that guy who was killed at the beginning of the Shishio art because I believe at the end of betrayal.

[01:21:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Shishio kills the guy.

[01:21:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:21:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's that's what happens because he does get killed there.

[01:21:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And that was the beginning of Shishio as potatoes I career.

[01:21:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[01:21:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Because they also the movie ends were like they go into that final battle and Kenchen agrees to do it.

[01:21:40] [SPEAKER_01]: He was he's done after that and then it basically ends where Kenchen is now the wanderer.

[01:21:46] Yeah.

[01:21:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Which all told to trust him betrayal was a really good like a really good story.

[01:21:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that was the best Kenchen product we got.

[01:21:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I think, like which is really sad.

[01:22:02] [SPEAKER_02]: But true.

[01:22:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean what we are getting more now.

[01:22:06] [SPEAKER_02]: So hopefully that'll be rectified.

[01:22:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm curious.

[01:22:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Best of the time.

[01:22:09] [SPEAKER_01]: What is the live actions you're really good to?

[01:22:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, I think the live actions are the best Kenchen product we have ever gotten various and only which is wild.

[01:22:17] [SPEAKER_01]: You think about it besides the manga.

[01:22:21] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's interesting because like the trust in betrayal is really going to actually cure

[01:22:26] [SPEAKER_01]: as how they're going to cover trust in betrayal in the new series.

[01:22:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I had imagined they would they would cover it where it would have been in the manga.

[01:22:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it would have been a movie.

[01:22:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe.

[01:22:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's pretty much right after the Shishio or the Kyoto or Kenchen say.

[01:22:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how it takes place in the manga because I don't know if it's just going to be like,

[01:22:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this happened too or if it will be like a side or if it was like a side thing in the manga

[01:22:53] [SPEAKER_02]: or maybe like this stuff with the brother and lost starts and then he flashes back to it.

[01:22:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's I think that's how it goes.

[01:23:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that arc starts and then it kind of is just the thing that they go over because it's important.

[01:23:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Kenchen really has hide the pain Harold now that I think about it.

[01:23:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Like he's literally that he's the hide the pain Harold meme.

[01:23:17] [SPEAKER_01]: That's not sure if I know that one.

[01:23:19] [SPEAKER_01]: You ever see the meme of like it's like the old man holding the coffee mug and he has like this look of like,

[01:23:25] [SPEAKER_01]: it's like a really like forced smile and everyone just they refer to it as like hide the pain Harold.

[01:23:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Like he's like hiding the pain behind this smile.

[01:23:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And it sounds familiar. I brought I brought I have to see it.

[01:23:37] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a very it's a very it's a dead meme now, but it was a very big meme for a while there.

[01:23:43] [SPEAKER_01]: It was around a lot.

[01:23:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I probably not as that I just don't I don't know memes by name true.

[01:23:51] [SPEAKER_01]: But he is he tension really is that though because he's just like hiding like all this trauma behind a smile.

[01:23:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:23:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna go feed persona.

[01:24:01] [SPEAKER_01]: So let's talk about reflections.

[01:24:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Do we have to?

[01:24:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this movie is so fucking weird that we kind of have to.

[01:24:11] [SPEAKER_01]: There are some good things about it, but I mean I like that it tries to tell the final arc.

[01:24:18] [SPEAKER_01]: It does it very poorly, but it tries.

[01:24:21] [SPEAKER_02]: It's it's the only bit of of that final arc that I ever got.

[01:24:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Is the only reason why I had any understanding about that final arc?

[01:24:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, because it goes into the whole like he kidnapped a car a car room and basically just like keeps her kidnapped in his island to mansion to lore tension there because

[01:24:42] [SPEAKER_01]: He knows that's all the she's the only thing.

[01:24:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I think they I believe they you confessed to each other right before that and then that's kind of what triggers the whole arc is about it.

[01:24:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that is kind of like surprise I've been married before.

[01:24:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Like kind of thing.

[01:25:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, I the basic understanding of it that I have is that something something.

[01:25:08] [SPEAKER_02]: He kidnapped her and.

[01:25:14] [SPEAKER_01]: For some reason, Kenchen thinks she's dead for a while because he leaves him I've seen this panel before he leaves a.

[01:25:22] [SPEAKER_01]: A fake like corpse of car room like it's like a dummy that looks like her that's dead.

[01:25:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And Kenchen goes through this massive like.

[01:25:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Petus D like trauma moment.

[01:25:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Understandable.

[01:25:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, because it's like oh no, two love interest dead now.

[01:25:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Like great.

[01:25:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I think we brought attention to it but the the brother and law did witness his sister being killed.

[01:25:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but he was a little kid at the time too.

[01:25:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So he also wasn't.

[01:25:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it couldn't process it correctly.

[01:25:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's an initiative but his name and a she.

[01:26:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but he has zero of the actual context of what happened so he just assumes Kenchen murdered her in cold blood.

[01:26:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:26:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's it's really his his motive is fascinating.

[01:26:15] [SPEAKER_01]: The whole like kidnapping car who thing is very interesting to me because he basically kidnaps her.

[01:26:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And just kind of keeps her in his mansion and like literally he's like I'm not going to kill you because I need Kenchen here, but I don't give a shit if you die either way.

[01:26:28] [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to die eventually, but I'm just going to leave you here for now.

[01:26:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Still by.

[01:26:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And he ends up like.

[01:26:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Doring that point like one of the things is like he ends up not being able to kill her because whenever he sees her he just sees his sister.

[01:26:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which is weird, but that's besides the point.

[01:26:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, not similar at all.

[01:26:53] [SPEAKER_01]: But no, if they really aren't other than both being Kenchen's love interest but.

[01:26:59] [SPEAKER_01]: The I will save the actual fight between the two that they didn't reflections is pretty good.

[01:27:06] [SPEAKER_01]: For what it is, it's very abridged.

[01:27:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

[01:27:10] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what they come really looking forward to for both watching the rest of the live action movies and for when the remake gets there.

[01:27:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to read the manga I really do me too.

[01:27:22] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I've decided that that's what I'm going to be putting up with Dr. Slump.

[01:27:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to read for an occasion. Nice.

[01:27:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but let's get into like that.

[01:27:32] [SPEAKER_01]: So that that part of reflections is pretty okay.

[01:27:35] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not a good retelling because it's very half asked but it's the best we could have done something.

[01:27:41] [SPEAKER_01]: It's the best part of this movie and it's very it's like this one specific thing because the overarching plot of this movie is.

[01:27:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Kenchen left because he's dying because he got some weird disease that.

[01:27:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't make sense, but it just happened.

[01:27:57] [SPEAKER_02]: The way they make it, they make it seem like he got like syphilis or something because it.

[01:28:03] [SPEAKER_02]: They play it off like he passed it on to cow roo like and the way they told the story, I made it.

[01:28:10] [SPEAKER_02]: It made it seem like it was an STD.

[01:28:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it definitely passed that way because there's a whole car was healthy.

[01:28:17] [SPEAKER_01]: He's dying and then cars like I want to share your pain and then they fuck and then she's dying after that.

[01:28:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they straight up do it.

[01:28:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Like what the fuck?

[01:28:25] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not even something.

[01:28:26] [SPEAKER_01]: What happened to my family friendly, Samurai show.

[01:28:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And then what's fucked up is like the movie starts with car who just kind of wandering around and like she's hiding the she's hiding the fact that she's dying.

[01:28:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And she's just kind of like hi everybody, hi going back to the dojo where she like passes out and yahiko finds her.

[01:28:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Also like her their kid, keg.

[01:28:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Kenji, I think his name is.

[01:28:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm good not, I don't remember.

[01:28:59] [SPEAKER_01]: He's he so for some fucking reason they really wanted him to have daddy issues in this.

[01:29:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Because he like he's a reason he hates Kenchin for some reason, but loves his mom.

[01:29:11] [SPEAKER_01]: So he's got like he's it's weird.

[01:29:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I've daddy issues so I'm going to go to my daddy's master and learn from him like yeah.

[01:29:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And just ignore my family is there these like my mom's dying, but I don't care if I'm going to go train here.

[01:29:26] [SPEAKER_01]: My dad's an asshole he did that to her.

[01:29:29] [SPEAKER_02]: They're also for some reason Kenchin and Sino's gay are like, like on the battlefield again for some reason Ken.

[01:29:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Kenchin's just like often like this hobbit shed up in the woods and said, I was gay finds him and he's like, oh, I got to get you back to car because she.

[01:29:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Before you die because you need to see each other one last time.

[01:29:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, but you can't you're not healthy enough to travel.

[01:29:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to kill a lot a tiger and give you its liver so you live.

[01:29:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's like like Kenchin's like sitting there in the hot like mud or inghum cell, like nonsense like he's losing his mind.

[01:30:04] [SPEAKER_02]: That's why I swear to God at Sifull is because they're like straight up losing their minds.

[01:30:07] [SPEAKER_01]: This is I just want to work he got it because.

[01:30:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they should have checked that woman for diseases after all.

[01:30:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think he would have been see.

[01:30:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Does that imply he was cheating on car.

[01:30:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Who knows?

[01:30:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he just had dormant Sifull as far as years and it just didn't take effect until later.

[01:30:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how much Sifull has takes to manifest.

[01:30:32] [SPEAKER_01]: We're thinking way too deep into this.

[01:30:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but Kenchin like Kenchin is so out of fucking character in this movie.

[01:30:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, actually, like extremely like he's gone for like most of it then they find him.

[01:30:47] [SPEAKER_01]: He's just he's like this pathetic like in this.

[01:30:50] [SPEAKER_01]: It is like the saddest thing, especially after you finish watching the series and you're like what the fuck happened?

[01:30:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Like this is this is not the show that I like I enjoyed.

[01:31:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the show that I came to love.

[01:31:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Like this is not that like this is just like a fucking slap in the face.

[01:31:07] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh we're killing everybody.

[01:31:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Making all the care I mean, Sanosuke was kind of cool.

[01:31:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was nice that he like that's that like they seem to have more of a brotherly bond now than they did during the series.

[01:31:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.

[01:31:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I liked growing up the IHICO.

[01:31:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, HICO is cool.

[01:31:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I like the they handle he was handled very well.

[01:31:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he was actually ridden more in character than he was in the show because he doesn't just like hit on car 24 seven this time around.

[01:31:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think that was just like a stereotype young you know, pre-pupress and boy thing in an anime at the time.

[01:31:47] [SPEAKER_02]: She's calling it a woman not wait for some reason.

[01:31:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I remember because like the scene like where like cars like basically like she passes out like because that then we get a goomy makes a reappearance and she's taking care of her and it's basically like yeah, she's going to die and there's really nothing I could do.

[01:32:05] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like all these characters you all these characters you like they're all dying.

[01:32:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, it's a great that's exactly what I wanted to leave off on the series with and then like they try to introduce us to Kenji but he's such an unlikable character because his.

[01:32:20] [SPEAKER_01]: He's just like has no character his character as he hates his dad.

[01:32:23] [SPEAKER_02]: That's it.

[01:32:25] [SPEAKER_02]: They also can't just master still has an age still looks like 28.

[01:32:29] [SPEAKER_02]: All that it's all the sake it's the sake of being here got to be preserving his insights.

[01:32:35] [SPEAKER_01]: It was pretty much I did like the symbolism though we're like.

[01:32:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Because we talked about the actually did we talk about the crosses no that was in that was interesting betrayal the the great markers.

[01:32:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure because there was the there was like crosses were like all the the people the women got murdered were buried.

[01:33:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right he's master pores the sockies like everyone deserves good socky once and because they end where like he puts like tomos like scarf thing around it after she dies.

[01:33:13] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I thought that was in reflections from it.

[01:33:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that's in it was interesting betrayal.

[01:33:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not that's a good scene.

[01:33:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that that was from a good film not not this.

[01:33:25] [SPEAKER_01]: The ending is so fucking depressing to like it's just like.

[01:33:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And she's like is barely makes it back and car also is like have she's like fucking losing her mind and wandering around and they're both just fucking lunatics out in the street and then they run into each other and he just dies.

[01:33:42] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like it's filled ends with tension dying.

[01:33:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And like not like a like a fun death.

[01:33:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean obviously like you know, you don't you know what your your favorite character to die at all but you know there are you know honorable deaths there are meaningful deaths.

[01:33:58] [SPEAKER_02]: This was just he just died of his disease and it was just sad.

[01:34:03] [SPEAKER_01]: He died of his disease like it also.

[01:34:06] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't even like get the the if it's like car would like he dies in car resounds and it's like also like a car is going to die pretty soon too.

[01:34:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And then it's weird because like what I hate is like he never they never resolved like the thing with Kenji like,

[01:34:23] [SPEAKER_01]: like, doesn't come back until after he's dead.

[01:34:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And then it just kind of ends with like this like flash forward where like.

[01:34:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Kenji's now like at a delta delta back there while just walking by with a woman that looks mysteriously like car route.

[01:34:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess that family has a type.

[01:34:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's basically like it it's quote unquote his fiance and like she's like are you ever going to tell me about your dad and he's like maybe at some point.

[01:34:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And it just ends there.

[01:34:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we know it's more than I do.

[01:34:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's it's the symbolism is he's walking right past the spot where Kenji died.

[01:35:03] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's such a look on a wet fart of an ending like.

[01:35:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if it's like that's where the series ended and it's depressing.

[01:35:12] [SPEAKER_02]: It's bad as it was I it's been so long since he did I do feel like I should watch again just as a refresher but.

[01:35:20] [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's like it's bad in the sense that it's just like infuriating like.

[01:35:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Wait you're like why blinded this is not this is not what I wanted to end off this fun romp with like at all.

[01:35:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean you can tell it was definitely written by a team that was not the is probably written by the same people they wrote the goddam filler.

[01:35:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Um probably.

[01:35:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I wasn't if you're going to go to the trouble of making this fucking train wreck of an OBA.

[01:35:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Why didn't you just do the last arc just to the last arc make it a movie you can you could bridge it if you need to just do the last arc that's all he needed to do and everyone have been happy.

[01:35:59] [SPEAKER_02]: The best part of this movie is the very path as attempted covering the last arc.

[01:36:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly like there's no reason to do this.

[01:36:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I was so frustrated that first when I watched it that first time was why just why it's it's like for the drama but it's also like they just didn't it's like.

[01:36:18] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like car would catch and just can't have their happy ending because it's like nope.

[01:36:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Not a lot.

[01:36:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is hilarious because there is actually a sequel series going on now that's it's only in Japan because this is never going to publish it over here,

[01:36:32] [SPEAKER_01]: but um.

[01:36:34] [SPEAKER_01]: It takes place right after and it's like, can you just a double kid in that so it's like.

[01:36:41] [SPEAKER_01]: They just really wanted trying not to try to find a fan trade is like something you can find them online I started reading a little bit of it just that a curiosity.

[01:36:51] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, um, Rooney Kenchin it it's a weird ride.

[01:36:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for sure.

[01:36:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately as far as the.

[01:37:02] [SPEAKER_02]: The good up with the old series you can't experience it unless you either buy the DVDs or sell the sentences.

[01:37:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, yeah because it was only available the last place it was legally available was a country roll the.

[01:37:17] [SPEAKER_01]: The original has since dropped it in favor of the new series.

[01:37:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why they wouldn't just have both but whatever.

[01:37:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, honestly.

[01:37:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure if they have old fruit baskets up there either.

[01:37:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I think about it.

[01:37:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they don't I know who the does.

[01:37:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean there's no reason to watch old fruit baskets but that's for a different some point but.

[01:37:42] [SPEAKER_01]: If you want to get angry.

[01:37:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I don't know.

[01:37:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I might think I might just irrationally keep that in.

[01:37:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I should bear.

[01:37:53] [SPEAKER_01]: That being said if you if you don't care about the dub situation you just want to see the series.

[01:37:59] [SPEAKER_01]: The Sony dub is available on who you want to subject yourself to that.

[01:38:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, you better opt as watching the remake the remake is really well done the animation is beautiful.

[01:38:12] [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's much more faithful from what I've heard so that's a good sign.

[01:38:17] [SPEAKER_02]: It's basically the first season pretty much covers everything pre Kyoto so.

[01:38:23] [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's basically like a full metal alchemist brotherhood like fruit baskets 2019, essentially just or 120 11.

[01:38:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and we should be getting a season too soon.

[01:38:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm really looking forward to it because I really want to see some of that Kyoto stuff with the new animation style.

[01:38:42] [SPEAKER_01]: It's definitely been announced.

[01:38:44] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's I think they're actually another trailer draught recently.

[01:38:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I don't know if you think that's for the first trailer.

[01:38:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm excited for that.

[01:38:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm looking forward to once I once I have enough of a break in between the two.

[01:38:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to jump into the.

[01:38:59] [SPEAKER_01]: New series because I'd like to see the differences.

[01:39:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to see if they give the the sword collector guy that same cringey Southern accent.

[01:39:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm, you remember that guy?

[01:39:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and like the weird like we're believe laid that was like half sword half whip.

[01:39:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was a weird there was some interesting weaponry in this series.

[01:39:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I will say for sure.

[01:39:23] [SPEAKER_02]: They like I said, like they really fucking told the line.

[01:39:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Like as far as like realistic versus super power shit.

[01:39:31] Hmm.

[01:39:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, not definitely.

[01:39:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, any any other final thoughts on Maroni tensions?

[01:39:41] [SPEAKER_02]: No, it's a solid it's a solid classic series if you like this style of 90s anime or if you if you say watched.

[01:39:50] [SPEAKER_02]: The old tri gun and enjoyed that you would probably enjoy the old Maroni Genshin.

[01:39:56] [SPEAKER_01]: It keep in mind it's very 90s like it's it's on the same level as like night like original sail and moon dub.

[01:40:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Or like old Pokemon where it's just kind of.

[01:40:08] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a kind of capsule.

[01:40:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's very dated it's a very dated anime in general.

[01:40:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but it's a good story so it's kind of like you that's kind of why you sit through it.

[01:40:22] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, all of that.

[01:40:25] [SPEAKER_00]: That's pretty much it.

[01:40:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, good one.

[01:40:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but I have to end it now.

[01:40:38] [SPEAKER_01]: The ending great.

[01:40:40] [SPEAKER_01]: My brain is falling apart.

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