Geek Addicts - Episode 42: The Lost Pilot Episodes #1: Talking Video Games!

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey guys, Bill here with a little bit of a disclaimer before we get into this episode of Geek Addicts.

[00:00:06] [SPEAKER_01]: This episode coming up is a little bit different than our normal episode styling.

[00:00:12] [SPEAKER_01]: This is actually one of a few scrapped pilot episodes that we had originally done in our first attempt at what was going to be the podcast that eventually became Geek Addicts.

[00:00:25] [SPEAKER_01]: These were recorded way back in either early 2022 or very late 2021.

[00:00:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't quite remember the exact date, but we had sat down and recorded a few episodes of what was originally going to be our first go at a podcast together.

[00:00:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Some of the topics and stuff are very out of date compared to nowadays.

[00:00:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Also, the audio was not the best. We really weren't sure what exactly we were doing.

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Just a little bit of a disclaimer there. It's a little rough around the edges.

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_01]: We thought it would be fun because we're getting close to almost a year doing Geek Addicts now to showcase our original idea for the show.

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_01]: So with that, here is the first of a set of pilots that we recorded that we'll probably be getting around to throughout the rest of the year.

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Until then guys though, on to Geek Addicts.

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_01]: The following is a GNC podcast production.

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to Geek Addicts, a pop culture podcast.

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, so video games.

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, it's my forte now.

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right?

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we've been hanging out for what? A couple years now I think?

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_01]: We've known each other for about four years I want to say.

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Give or take. You were working the night shift when I first started there.

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because I didn't really know each other much.

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I met you at that Christmas party where we went to the Japanese place and then we went to the bar after and we were all just shooting the shit for another two hours.

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, and then our HR person told my wife that she was my beneficiary which is not a very, very illegal thing to do.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Nah, it was cool.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Whatever, she already knew.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of figured.

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, so my number one pick for my top three video games.

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And just for the sake of knowing, all of these lists that we've done at this point, depending on whatever order we put these in, these are objective for the time.

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Like these constantly get switched out depending on what we're in the mood for, what we're into.

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll say my number one picks are all pretty definitive.

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Me too. Yeah, me too. My number one picks are all times for sure.

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_02]: But my first one was Fable 2.

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So I started playing the first Fable, I want to say it was either late middle school or early high school.

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Actually, it must have been middle school because the second one came on 2008 and I got that right when I came out.

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_01]: So I was a PlayStation 2 guy back in the day like a Sony fanboy.

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So I didn't have an Xbox.

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Sony and Nintendo.

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I remember they hyped the shit out of Fable when it first came out.

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I actually, I didn't even hear about it until after it already came out.

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_02]: My brother was the one, my brother Brian got me into it.

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I remember because it was Lionhead Studios' Peter Molyneux.

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And Peter Molyneux is a kind of controversial figure I guess in gaming to a degree.

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Mostly for his, not so much what he does because he makes great games.

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, he did. I don't know what he does now because he's Peter Molyneux.

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_01]: His biggest thing in gaming, his biggest issue I guess you could say was he had a,

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_01]: he has a really bad tendency of hyping a game and promising unrealistic goals and then failing to deliver.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is one thing that Fable 1 kind of suffered from to a degree.

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I definitely see that that would be accurate.

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Fable 1, I like it.

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think the biggest thing with you wasn't the game itself but the setup.

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Not even the gameplay but the way the menus worked and the general way it was built kind of thing.

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_02]: But I really liked the story of the first Fable.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And they had a lot of different magic and stuff to work with.

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And that was the only one that was really strictly fantasy.

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Because from too onward it takes place way later and there's guns and industrialized CDs and stuff like that.

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was more steampunk in the later ones.

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_02]: But Fable 2 was the first one, probably one of the first games that I really was waiting for ahead of time.

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I played the crap out of the first one.

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_02]: The second one really improved a lot on general gameplay.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Well isn't the second one considered the best by most fans?

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_02]: In my opinion it certainly is.

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_02]: As far as playability, replayability and so on.

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Because they fixed a lot of the clunkiness in the first one.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_02]: The menu system was way more efficient.

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean the story was fun.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_02]: There wasn't really like a big final boss like you would expect in most video games.

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Which was different. It was more about the journey itself.

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I've heard with the Fable series.

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which is fun. Well, I mean the first one had a big boss.

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_02]: The third one did too I believe.

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the third one had that big deal at the end.

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Which we'll talk about more when we get to your stuff.

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Just in general, it fixed a lot of the clunkiness in the first one.

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Made it a lot smoother.

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Opened the world up a lot more which I liked a lot.

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I've gone back and played that game so many times.

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just a solid.

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Because it's one of those games where you have the room to stretch out and explore.

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's not so big that it's overwhelming.

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Like Red Dead or Skyrim or other games of that nature.

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Any open world game at this point?

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Anything made up of Bethesda.

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Although it's going to be three times less glitchy.

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Isn't the remake considered the best way to play the original now?

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, for sure.

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Even though it honestly came on after Fable 3 and still looks shittier than 2.

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_02]: It's very blocky.

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_02]: That kind of fixed some of the menu stuff.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_02]: But that was the one that Cindy tried playing.

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And even that was...

[00:06:51] What?

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_02]: The Fable 1.

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_02]: You played the Anniversary version.

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And it still wasn't...

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Not my thing.

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_02]: But I had a lot of fun with it in general.

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, Fable 2 is the first one for me.

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Second one.

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is a big one because I've been playing this one.

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Actually my first game for Game Boy Advance was the first in this series.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's Legacy of Goku.

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously from the anime one that we talked about.

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm very, very big on Dragon Ball.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And the Legacy of Goku game was an action RPG for the Game Boy Advance.

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_02]: There were three games.

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_02]: There was Legacy of Goku 1 and 2.

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And then there was Booze Fury, which that was weird.

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why they did that.

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_02]: The first one was very clunky.

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_02]: But I played it...

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I was so into Dragon Ball when I was a kid that I played the crap out of it anyway.

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And it got to a point where I mastered the combat system.

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I can beat that game in under two hours.

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's really short.

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_02]: That's my favorite speedrun game.

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I love the graphics on that game too.

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Like the sprites...

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_02]: They're not bad.

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_01]: What weirds me out about that...

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Those games were developed by a studio called Webfoot Technologies.

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Webfoot.

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And they made some of the...

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_01]: They're still around technically, but they're only really known for Legacy of Goku.

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And there are only other things where they made Taiketsu, one of the worst Dragon Ball fighters.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was bad.

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And Dragon Ball GT Transformation is an incredibly mediocre beat-em-up.

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if you want to play Dragon Ball, beat-em-up.

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Advanced Adventure is the way to go.

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Advanced Adventure is a really fun game.

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_01]: There might be one on them.

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_01]: No, even the Super...

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Those were all fighting games.

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Advanced Adventure was probably the way to go.

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, the first one was very...

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_02]: It went up to Frieza.

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_02]: It was one of those games where you have to line up your punch perfectly.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And unless you overlevel the crap out of yourself, you'll get taken down by grunts super easy.

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_01]: That game is literally like the definition of jank.

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Which sucks because it's the best part of the series to in my opinion.

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Part of its jankiness though is its charm.

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I love... and the original soundtrack for it was fun.

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was pretty cool.

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I had a lot of fun with that one.

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_02]: The second one was when they really made all the changes.

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Because that was when they were like,

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, we can actually make money with this.

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's put some money into it.

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And actually competently develop it.

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_02]: They made a lot of changes with that one.

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And that one is probably the most solid in the series in my opinion.

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's definitely the most balanced.

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll say that for sure.

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_01]: In terms of gameplay and story and progression.

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_02]: The third one had this cool thing where you could kind of allocate your stats however you wanted.

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Which the other ones didn't.

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_02]: But in a way that also was part of what made that game broken and super easy to cheese.

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Because if you just put it all in strength, they're good to go.

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_02]: You really don't have to do anything else.

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_01]: The series was basically in a lot of ways, it was the predecessor to Kakarot.

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_01]: In a lot of ways just an action RPG.

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_02]: You have no idea how long I was waiting for a game like Kakarot.

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_02]: They did a decent job with it, but I just wish it could have been more.

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I still to this day wish they would do a freaking OG Dragon Ball game.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_01]: No one wants to touch that and the only games we've gotten are...

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Advanced Adventure is great.

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Solid.

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_01]: There's Origins, which is like...

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Which I played the first one.

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_02]: It's alright.

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the touch screen that kills me though.

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_02]: If it wasn't a touch screen game, I'd be okay with it.

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like Phantom Hourglass, but Dragon Ball.

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_01]: You ever play Dragon Power?

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh you mean the NES game?

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I have that game.

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I do too.

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I got it at Bowser's base for $2.

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I bet.

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah that game...

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_01]: You have to use cheats in that game.

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_01]: My favorite part is the Roshi scene where he's...

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_01]: It's basically the scene where...

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Give me lunch!

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, in the Japanese version it's panties.

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Because of the Bulma scene.

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Well they make it sandwich slices in the American version.

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I think I saw a reviewer once who was like,

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Did I just witness a sandwich orgy?

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like the Murphy-ist thing and they...

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Dragon Ball games have a very hit or miss legacy.

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_01]: There was also that weird one on the Wii that was like

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_01]: the Revenge of King Piccolo or whatever.

[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I heard good things about that one.

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_01]: It's okay.

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean it's... for Dragon Ball standards it's...

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I still need to play Attack of the Saiyans.

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Attack of the Saiyans is where it's at because that's a turn based RPG.

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And that one actually starts right at the end of Oji Dragon Ball

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_01]: so there's actually a little bit...

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_02]: You could actually pick that one up after Advance Adventure

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_02]: because Advance Adventure ends with King Piccolo.

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, in a sense.

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_01]: It kind of takes place right at the end but it adds some stuff

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_01]: because you start out playing as Krillin and Yamcha and Tien

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_01]: and they go each to their own little mini adventure.

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Krillin goes back to his original school and you fight a boss.

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yamcha goes back to his original hideout

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_01]: and you actually fight the carrot.

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Masha carrot.

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Masha carrot.

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_00]: That's what all Yamcha could be.

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And then you eventually get to the actual tournament

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_01]: although the tournament part is a little bit...

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_01]: is kind of disappointing because it literally glazes over everything.

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Like all the lead up to the Piccolo fight.

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Really?

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's kind of a bummer.

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Even though you start with the other characters that are in the tournament?

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you just go cut right to Goku.

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of lame.

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is. But then we get to the game proper.

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Does it go through all of his fights or just Piccolo?

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Just Piccolo.

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of stupid.

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's lame.

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Whatever. I guess it's called Attack of the Saiyans

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_02]: but they got to get to it.

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's very much build up.

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a great game. So what was your third game?

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Witcher 3.

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Witcher 3.

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Witcher 3 is a solid RPG.

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_02]: It's... honestly if we had this podcast like six years ago

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Skyrim would be in that spot.

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_02]: But Witcher 3 overtook that for me because it's just such a...

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_01]: That's CD Projekt Red, right?

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. And I actually have since playing the game I've read the books.

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And that was... it definitely provides a lot of...

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So as someone who doesn't... I haven't played it yet.

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't really gotten around to it.

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh you haven't?

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_01]: No, well I'm more...

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a long game.

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm more of a JRPG fan.

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_02]: That's fair. But Witcher does have like... it's a very smooth...

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Was Witcher 3...

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Very smooth mechanics.

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Super hyped or was it just kind of came out?

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I honestly don't know because that was another one that I...

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I don't really like go super into like hype for new games.

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_02]: If a game comes out and I hear tons of good things about it

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_02]: then I'll give it a try.

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Well because I just...

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_01]: When I think CD Projekt Red right now I can't help but think about Cyberpunk.

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well...

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_01]: The definition of overhype.

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh well they definitely overhyped that one.

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_00]: See because I haven't played that but I heard when it was coming out all this stuff

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_00]: and the concept of it sounds amazing to me.

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_01]: The game's not bad, it's just...

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_01]: They acted like it was going to be this revolutionary thing and it just ended up being achieved.

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_00]: They pushed it out before they actually really got it to that hype point.

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Well the PC version was better than...

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_01]: The problem was the PS4 and Xbox One were not ready to run that game.

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Like it was not optimized at all.

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Well they probably made it with the new systems in mind.

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_02]: They also...

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_02]: That's probably one of the big reasons.

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_01]: It was a victim of sheer overhyping.

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_01]: When I saw just how many people were already claiming it was going to be the greatest game ever made

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, it's going to bop, it's going to fail to meet that so hard.

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_00]: None of them knocked on wood.

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_00]: That's what happened.

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_01]: But Witcher's highly acclaimed.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I never played the second...

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Well I started the second one, I didn't get very far.

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Because the gameplay is very different from the third one.

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I've heard, like the third one is like the definitive game that they made essentially.

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go after you because then I'm going to smoke a butt and lay on the couch where I can listen.

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_02]: After me or after...

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to have to be pushy.

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, whatever.

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Mine are pretty long so...

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Fair enough.

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, Witcher 3, like...

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_02]: The story is very engaging and it's one of those games where you could literally...

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_02]: If you just want to hang out and just like enjoy a quick one shot story, you just do one of the side quests.

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Because each side quest has its own immersive story.

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_00]: It is deep.

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, can I tell the story?

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_00]: What happens?

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Like my bad luck fucking run with that shit.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_00]: So like I have this curse that every time I'm into a game or I beat a game and I'm just at this point

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_00]: like with Witcher I was down to the DLC.

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Our system crashed.

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Whatever it was that we were playing on, it fucked up.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And like every single time, so Witcher I got through all of it.

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_00]: All those little tiny witches, there are so many.

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_00]: It's such a big world.

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_00]: It's such a big story.

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_00]: It could take you a long time to get through the whole game.

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I got through all of that shit.

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_00]: It was just down DLC pretty much.

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And it fucked up and...

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I haven't played it yet.

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_02]: The last DLC too, you had just started it.

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I haven't played it since because I'm still butt hurt about that two years ago.

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, longer than that.

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_02]: We were in the apartment still I think.

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_00]: It was bad.

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, that's a really fun game.

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyone who hasn't played it, I highly recommend it.

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Especially if you like open world games.

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I love that game.

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_00]: It was just the fact that I put all that time and effort into it.

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Now it's like I have to do it again.

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know what I really like about Witcher is like with the most of the quests and stuff,

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_02]: even if you're outleveled by a wide margin,

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_02]: even if they have you outleveled by like 20 levels,

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_02]: if you are determined enough and you utilize the fuck out of that combat roll,

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_02]: you can beat it.

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just gonna take some time.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's gonna take forever.

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_00]: But you can.

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what I would always do because the quest to get the Master Blacksmith

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_02]: to make the really good equipment,

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_02]: that's like a higher level quest,

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_02]: you have to get like a good ways into the main story before you get to a level where you can take it

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_02]: and not have too much trouble with it.

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_02]: But I always do that almost immediately

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_02]: so I can get like the highest level equipment and all that other stuff.

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's,

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_02]: there's this one part where you have to fight like a whole bunch of dwarves

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_02]: and they're all way higher level than you.

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_02]: So you literally can't get hit twice.

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And you have a spell that will make like a little force field thing.

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_02]: So you get like one free hit.

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_02]: They can get one hit on you.

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_02]: So I would just be using that over and over

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_02]: and I'd roll in,

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd kind of like knock them back for a second,

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd get a couple hits and then I'd have to roll away before they could hit me.

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And I would do that over and over and over until I could get it.

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I remember when I first started playing it,

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I was at very low level.

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And I just decided to like take a break and start adventuring around

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_00]: and seeing what the world was like.

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is part of the huge fun with that game.

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I'm riding my horse

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_00]: and riding a roach.

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going up and I'm venturing the mountains

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_00]: and then there's a fucking giant.

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And I just whoop!

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Right back to where I came.

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_01]: He's just going to be like nope, nope, nope, nope.

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you remember Trollolo?

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sweetie pie.

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_00]: The rock troll Trollolo?

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the best.

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_02]: He was working for the soldiers

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_02]: and something happened and he accidentally killed them all.

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_02]: He was still working for them even after he killed them all by accident.

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_00]: So sweet. I loved him.

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, so yours, Cindy?

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I forgot what I wrote.

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_00]: That's a lot.

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, okay, so I'd say Fable 3

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_00]: would be my first favorite.

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Mostly because of the connection I have with it

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_00]: because not to get into my sad fucking life

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_00]: but I was in a really bad relationship at one point.

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And at night while he was working

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I would play Fable 3 to like zone out

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_00]: and just go into my own world.

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And this was my relationship before my husband.

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And that was like my solace.

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Like going into that Fable 3 world

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_00]: and it was great.

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing will compare to that

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_00]: because of how good and safe and happy I felt in that world.

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I love the story for Fable 3.

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And that too, yeah.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I mean.

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I could pop into it like I could pop into a book.

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And it was just...

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, it's a more direct continuation

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_02]: to what I said with Fable 2

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_02]: because in Fable 3 you're literally playing

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_02]: as the child of the character from Fable 2.

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it was just so good at the time.

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_00]: The way that the story captivated...

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_00]: At this time in my life I was newly recovering again

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_00]: and I was smoking a bunch of pot.

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I was in a really bad abusive relationship.

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And this, the way...

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Like nothing could get me out of that world

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_00]: that I was really living my reality.

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing could get me past that

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_00]: and I was just totally fucked.

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And Fable 3 came along and it was like, wow.

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_00]: That was the best eight hours at night.

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_00]: My ex would come home and my eyes would be totally red.

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Like just fucked.

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_00]: But it was...

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_00]: And I love the way it played.

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I love the story.

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I love the smoothness of it.

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I know it was kind of glitchy too but...

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I've heard there's a big split in the fan base.

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people love 2 and then a lot of people love 3

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's kind of like a...

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a weird split there.

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_00]: It depends on what type of games you like, I think.

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Because for me I like games like 3.

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I like games like that and Witcher and Assassin's Creed.

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Things like that.

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_00]: But the one, like 2 I liked but it was just more...

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_00]: You couldn't get into the story.

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I had to constantly remember this menu is this...

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And Fable was very easy flowing for me.

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Fable 3.

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's why some people are into that.

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like depending on what kind of style.

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_00]: At least from my point of view.

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_00]: My second game, always forever, again nostalgic from childhood would be Crash.

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that applies for all three of us.

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think everybody feels that.

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Crash 3 Warped. That was my childhood.

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I played the crap out of 3.

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I played a lot of first one too but...

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Actually Crash 3 and Spyro 3 I played a lot of.

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I never played Spyro back in the day.

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I missed out on Spyro because games were expensive.

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is honestly very sad.

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Because Spyro was such a good game.

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I really had Spyro.

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I was buying RPGs.

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Well honestly I think Spyro was way more RPG-ish than Crash was.

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Well Crash was a hallway game.

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Spyro was more Mario 64-ish.

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_01]: That's better.

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess you could say.

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Now Crash 3...

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_01]: That's nostalgia right there.

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like one has aged terribly the first one.

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_01]: But two and three I can go either way.

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_01]: The remakes are good.

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_01]: The remake is the definitive way to play one.

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Because it fixes all the problems that one has.

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_02]: We need to pick that one back up because we got pretty close to the end of the first one.

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_02]: We got further than the last time.

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_00]: But it's just so hard because it's like...

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Crash is one of those ones that is so happy, nostalgic and fun.

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_00]: But I will fucking rage and want to throw shit out the window.

[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_02]: You tried to throw my PlayStation out the window.

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I did. I was a little angry that day.

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Crash 1 is a very frustrating game.

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_02]: That's one of the top tier ragequit games.

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And there's no reason to 100% it because all the 100%ing does is get you an alternate ending that isn't even as good as the actual ending.

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I've never been gone in the ending.

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_01]: All you get for getting all the gems is you get this alternate ending where you skip the final boss and in a crash and Tana fly off into the distance on a dragon.

[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_01]: We take us?

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Is the dragon Spyro?

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_01]: No.

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_01]: That was before Spyro.

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Nah, fair.

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Because Spyro 1 came out when Crash 3 was coming out.

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh really?

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't realize it was coming out.

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_02]: That's why Spyro was a demo for Crash 3.

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I always associate the two with each other so...

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Well because Insomniac Games and Naughty Dog are just forever entwined.

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh okay.

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_01]: But I love Crash 3 too because when you start the game it's like Crash Bandicoot War!

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_02]: That will always stick on my mind for sure.

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_00]: It was great. I loved it.

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_00]: But my third...

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_02]: It was like the evil Oogie Boogie.

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_00]: How did you say it earlier?

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_02]: What?

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess like...I'm trying to remember your words but they're gone.

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Well we're drinking so...

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so my third favorite like interchanges is I guess how I'd say it.

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_02]: It's always different depending on the time.

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so right now in The Assassin's Creed I've only played a few of them.

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_02]: You played what? Two origins and the one you're playing now Black Flag right?

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Black Flag is the greatest pirate game I've ever made.

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_00]: It's so fun, I've always wanted to be a pirate ever since I was little so it's really fun.

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's funny how people don't like Assassin's Creed but they love that game because it's just a great pirate game.

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_00]: See I like it because one of my games that got me into gaming that I've always liked when I was a little bit older was Prince of Persia.

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of like the same type of like...

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_00]: They're remaking now.

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_00]: ...Bondi and stuff like that.

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_00]: They're actually remaking Sands of Time.

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_00]: No they're not!

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, we're getting that.

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I love that. Oh my god.

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Is it going to be for the Switch?

[00:23:41] Probably.

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't see why it wouldn't at this point.

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean they ported so much over at this point.

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah I think Switch is going to take over.

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm surprised they haven't ported those games just to Switch in general.

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of games that I'm surprised they haven't ported yet.

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah but I like Assassin's Creed.

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what, I'm going to say this right now, if they ever did a Fable collection, like the Fable trilogy and just ported it over as is over to the Switch,

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_02]: the Switch would forever be my favorite console.

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I just wonder if Microsoft would be that...

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they'd let it go.

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah because Microsoft and Nintendo are chummy now, but I'm not sure they're that chummy.

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's just disappointing.

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Because there's some games that I really would like.

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_01]: They're starting to let Nintendo have some rare stuff again so...

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean Fable is kind of like a...

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like a much more focused fan base.

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah but why the fuck is Fable?

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not like Halo.

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Fable's not...

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Halo was like Microsoft's baby for a long time.

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Fable's not on Switch is it?

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_00]: It needs to be.

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_00]: It's an Xbox, Microsoft probably.

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah but they need to deal with that because that needs to be on Switch because all the fucking Xboxes...

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I would love to play that game with a girl.

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Xboxes, that's the thing, is again those...

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Xboxes like to die.

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Brand-Bringing death.

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and they like to lose all your progress in all your games.

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_00]: So if they could put Fable on Switch so I could feel a little bit better and safer about it and have a wonderful time...

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_01]: That would be nice.

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just one of those things where exclusivity has to be a thing.

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Especially when Microsoft doesn't have like any exclusives period.

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Well they're assholes, it's all about money.

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean what Microsoft has...

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Nintendo are like the king of assholes.

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Microsoft has Halo and it has Fable and maybe a couple other things but...

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Gears, maybe.

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Gears of War.

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I never really got into that one.

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I would just really love it.

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Like if Fable came out I probably would do like I did before where I don't come out of the video game.

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm playing it so much.

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Hunting gargoyles.

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like when we play, when I play Assassin's Creed...

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh no I'm sorry Gnomes.

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the third one.

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_00]: When I'm playing Assassin's Creed Matt has to remind me like Cindy you have to wake up in the morning.

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Like usually I...

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_00]: We have a four month old baby.

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I have to use...

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_02]: He needs to get sleep.

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes like the baby is going to wake up at six.

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I just I have to use some...

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_00]: She's not going to sleep then.

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Time management.

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Like tonight would be a good night to play because...

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_02]: The baby is at my mom's house.

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_00]: He's gone and Xander is with his dad so like I could play tonight because I could stay up all night and sleep in tomorrow.

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Because I don't realize it's like how other people played Skyrim.

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Other people played Skyrim.

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Like you don't realize how long you're playing it for and then next morning it's like the sun's coming out with the roosters.

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_01]: My favorite thing was...

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah my favorite thing was Skyrim was like the amount of people where it's like oh how's the plot?

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a plot.

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah nobody even bothered with the main storyline.

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I just couldn't play it.

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I tried but I could watch people play it.

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_02]: It was something about the mechanics, the battle combat style and stuff.

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_00]: It was just...

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah it was difficult for me.

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I just never was into that style again.

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I loved watching other people play it like wonderful.

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I love...

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I never really got into Fallout but Skyrim I was crazy about it.

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh Fallout.

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I loved watching my brother John plays Fallout especially with the music and shit.

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Like it was great.

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_02]: That's another thing I love about the Fable games is the music.

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I love the music in Fable.

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_02]: It just that those soundtracks all three of them are so nostalgic to me.

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Well going back to Witcher that like we actually bought the Witcher soundtrack.

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_00]: My son used to fall asleep to it when we first started dating.

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I loved the music in that because I'm really into that like shanties and Celtic music.

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Bard tavern music.

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Bard tavern yeah all that type of stuff.

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm really into that.

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I always...

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I hate that argument where people are like, are video games actually art?

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like yeah they are.

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah for sure.

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Video games are multi-layered art because there's the art of the story telling, the

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_01]: art of the actual graphic presentation, the music.

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh for sure.

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean just everything.

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_00]: And then to think about how they make up all these sides of the...

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_00]: You have your story that's one thing but all the sides shit they put into it

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_00]: too.

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Like you have to be artistic to be able to make a linear story with all the sides

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_00]: shit that intertwines in some way or another.

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I also hate the whole argument of video game music doesn't count as real music.

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_01]: No it's real music.

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I listen to video game music all the time dude.

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I would rather...

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_00]: These days at this point if I'm not listening to old school rock or whatever

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_00]: like I would rather listen to like video game shit.

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Dude I rock out to video game music and anime music all the time.

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh well it's funny at work while I was doing inspection I had my ipod and I was

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_01]: listening to the freaking Final Fantasy 4 soundtrack so yeah just jamming out over

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_01]: there.

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_02]: The only one that I'm really familiar with at this point is 7.

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_02]: 7 is the only one I've played to completion.

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm about 12 hours into 8.

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_02]: 8 has the best soundtrack in the series.

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I like it.

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_02]: That being said I've also heard a lot more remixed versions of 7.

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_01]: See you gotta get when you get to farther into 8.

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_01]: There's like some bangers in it.

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Some bangers.

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Banger.

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Banger.

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Banger main.

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not banger.

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Or the kids like to say some bops.

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Bops?

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah that's another...

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Kids bops?

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Kids bops?

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Kids don't even know what kids bop is.

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I know that's so weird.

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Alright so I'm gonna go for a cigarette and you guys can keep talking as Bill's

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And then I'm probably gonna lay on the couch and either pass out because I'm drinking or

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_00]: play a video game.

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_02]: You might as well.

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_02]: You got the time.

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Play some Assassin's Creed.

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_02]: You could keep going to Stick of Truth.

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Stick of Truth is like I'm pissed off about this part I'm in.

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_02]: What part are you on?

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh right you're on Canada.

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_02]: You're on the Dire Bear.

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh the Canada part.

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_00]: The Dire Bear.

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Where it's an 8 bit game for no reason.

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_00]: What the fuck dude.

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry but like I'm in this cave and I have to kill these few things but

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_00]: It's 5 against 2 and they're so overpowering.

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I've tried like a million times and I can't do it.

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't played Stick of Truth in a long time.

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't get past the abortion part either.

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I did that part for you.

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_02]: That was so fun.

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Out of context.

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_02]: It's South Park.

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_02]: It's South Park.

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what South Park is.

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_00]: It could be anything.

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And what's his name?

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_00]: It's Randy.

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Randy.

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah Randy.

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_00]: So if you know, you know.

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Alright.

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_01]: So now I guess getting into my final three.

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm a mega RPG fan for people who listen to my podcasts or just follow me on Instagram.

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I've said it a lot in the past but my favorite game of all time is

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Persona 4 Golden.

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And Persona, so the Persona series in recent times has exploded in popularity.

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Like back in the day it was very underground and 4 was kind of like the first one that

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_01]: started to get a notice because I knew about 4 because 4 was all over like internet culture,

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_01]: like YouTube videos.

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Like you'd always see like 4 references.

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_01]: But I never knew what Persona 4 was.

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_01]: So I went to GameStop back when GameStop still carried PS2 games regularly.

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And I saw Persona 2, not Persona 2, Persona 4 like up on the PS2 wall.

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_01]: It was like 40 bucks I think because some PS2 games held their value.

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Actually nowadays all games hold their value.

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_01]: So I remember this is like just when I graduated from high school and I was just getting a

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_01]: financial, having financials.

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_01]: So I saw it there and I was like when I have the money I'm going to buy that.

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Well that was right around the point where Persona 4 Golden, the Vita port comes out.

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_01]: So I go to GameStop and I literally like, I'm like oh Persona 4 Golden I can get that one.

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_01]: But then I'm like but I also want the original because it's there.

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_01]: So I buy them both.

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And the guy at the GameStop on the thing he's literally like you know this is the same game right?

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_01]: He's like well you don't have to buy both.

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_01]: It's the same game.

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I'd like both please.

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like why is the GameStop employee fighting me over this?

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Why does he not want my money?

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I know.

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he wanted the game himself personally but.

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Well I've never played it.

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I've heard a lot about it especially from you.

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I do plan on playing it at some point.

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Has there been any news about the possible Switch port?

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Basically that rumor came around and that's been it.

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm hoping it actually happens because I would like any excuse to play it.

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_01]: It's worth playing.

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_02]: You have to chip for the Vita version right?

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you have the chip or do you have download?

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I have the chip.

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like eternally in my Vita because I'm playing.

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright well if the Switch rumors end up being groundless then I might have to borrow that from you at some point.

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I still have a bunch of Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest to get through before I get to it.

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not a super graphically intensive game.

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_01]: It's also on Steam.

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I know. I don't mess around with it.

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not technically...

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Even just doing this podcast is pushing my technological know-how to its limits.

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll have to see because who knows it might get announced.

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't get why Atlus is weird about the Switch like that.

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_01]: So the game itself is basically a turn-based role-playing game.

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And the whole gimmick is it combines turn-based role-playing with visual novel like life simulation.

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_01]: So the game is kind of split into two halves.

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_01]: There's the life sim parts where you play as the protagonist in a small town.

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_01]: He's moved there from the city because his parents are working overseas so he's living in this small town at the time.

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And you're basically going to school and being a typical high school student at the time.

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_01]: As you're going through the game suddenly murders start happening and it's a murder mystery all of a sudden.

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And then you get...

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Personas are weird by the way.

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_01]: So then all of a sudden you get sucked into the TV.

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And then this is where you discover your personas.

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And the personas are like incarnations of...

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_01]: They're basically like your characters' wants and desires or true inner self personified.

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And when you reject yourself, your persona becomes a shadow which is like an evil thing.

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Basically the shadow will try to kill you and that's how you die in the TV world because that's how the murders are happening.

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Basically people are getting thrown into the TVs and then they're facing their shadows.

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Their shadows kill them in the TV world and then they die in the real world.

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_01]: It makes sense in kind of a...

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll have to just play it honestly because that's...

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_01]: We've got to watch the anime at some point because the anime is great.

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_02]: That's fair.

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_01]: So you start that and basically as the game progresses you start gaining more and more party members.

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Because all the party members are obviously people that were thrown into the TV.

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And once you start saving them you go in and do the thing.

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously each dungeon ends with the final boss is one of the party members and it's them against their shadow.

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_01]: The whole plot of the game is they're kind of repressing their inner selves, like who they are.

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Because the shadows are like exaggerations of their inner selves that they're suppressing.

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_01]: One of the characters is he's not really a god, he's more of a punk kind of character.

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_01]: But he's secretly into knitting and home making stuff.

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_01]: He's like a softy.

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_01]: So he's Kubara.

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_01]: In a sense.

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_01]: But his inner shadow in the game is like super camp to the max.

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_01]: To the implication where it confuses him thinking...

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Because at one point another party member shows up early and it's a...

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's an over 10 year old...

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Actually it's almost like...

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like an over 10 year old game at this point.

[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_01]: One of the characters is at first you think it's a boy but it turns out to actually be a girl.

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Because of her inner thing.

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Reverse Haku.

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_01]: In a sense is explained.

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_01]: He develops an attraction to them but at the time he thinks they're male so he's questioning his sexuality.

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_01]: So his persona, his shadow is like a personification super camp to the max as an exaggeration to what it gets.

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_01]: But then we later discover that character is actually a girl.

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And he was attracted to that character in general.

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_01]: It's one of those things where every character is like the way they're written makes sense.

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Just exaggerated personifications of what they're trying to repress from the inside.

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_02]: That's interesting.

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_01]: It makes sense when you play the game.

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Because one of the characters is like the heiress to a traditional Japanese inn.

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And she feels shackled that she's going to be forever stuck at that inn.

[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Like she's never going to break out and become her own person.

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel that.

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_01]: But then like...

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_01]: But then as you go through her thing she finds out that she doesn't actually hate the inn.

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_01]: She just is afraid of being stuck and then...

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_00]: That makes sense.

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_01]: It makes a lot of sense when you play the game because then each of these characters also has a social link which is part of the life sim part of the game.

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And during the life sim sections where you're out in the dungeons you can interact with characters that unlock more of their social link.

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is where all their character development is.

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's where you learn more about them.

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_01]: By completing their social links you unlock their second form personas.

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_01]: But you also uncover more of their backstories and they get a proper resolution at that point.

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And the whole game is about...

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Because the game has like a day system where there's only a limited amount of days before the end of the game.

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And you have to manage your time between the dungeons and the social links.

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_01]: So you have a time limit?

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not as bad as it sounds.

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Three was a lot worse.

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Like three you needed a strict schedule if you were going to complete it.

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And then the game also offers New Game Plus where you keep all your stuff for your second playthrough.

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Witcher 3 had a New Game Plus system too which is pretty cool.

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_01]: But it goes on that and the reason I love the game is it's basically like you're playing an anime because it's super anime styled.

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_01]: The entire soundtrack is nothing but J-pop.

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Really?

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And Japanese rock, like anime music basically.

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Soji Maguro, or Maguro, whoever you say his name is one of my favorite composers of all time.

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_01]: He puts some genuine bops into his music.

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not a bad thing.

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_02]: It sounds like I'm walking away because I walked a few feet away so I can make a direct south.

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Persona 4 is...

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_01]: It's one of those games where you either like it or you hate it.

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_01]: It's also one of those games that you need to dedicate a large portion of your time to because it's a 100 hour plus game.

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_01]: But once you get in you can't stop.

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_02]: So Lee shares it that much with Widget, right?

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean it's my favorite game of all time.

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I do a yearly playthrough of it.

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_02]: That's fair.

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm currently in it.

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Actually my current playthrough I finally got the main character Yu.

[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_01]: He's Yu.

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_01]: He has an alternate persona but it is like a side quest to get in itself.

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And I finally did it on this most recent playthrough.

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_01]: It's super engaging and doing the social links.

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_01]: A. You unlock more story but also it helps you in battle during the dungeons.

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just a great game overall.

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I've done two podcasts talking about persona.

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_00]: We're still talking about that?

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_02]: He loves persona.

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't have to tell you.

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_01]: This is my favorite game of all time.

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And even though I objectively say five is a better game in terms of technically, in terms of gameplay, four just hits.

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Four hits differently.

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_01]: It is the happiest murder mystery game you'll ever play.

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Alright.

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_01]: It makes sense in context.

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll just have to take your word for it until I get to it.

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Now that's my definitive favorite game of all time.

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Everything else kind of fluctuates.

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_01]: But my second favorite game, which I've kind of settled on is a game called Tales of the Abyss.

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Really what?

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Tales of the Abyss.

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, never mind.

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_01]: It's part of a series called the Tales of series.

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Like every entry is like Tales of blank blank, some weird word.

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_01]: But Abyss was the one that I played back in the day because the one that most people know is like Symphonia.

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Because that was like the big one on GameCube.

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_01]: But I didn't have a GameCube back in the day.

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I had a PlayStation 2.

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_01]: So I went with what the PlayStation 2 had and I had two choices.

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_01]: There was either Tales of Legendia or Tales of the Abyss.

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And I had a 50-50 shot and I went with Abyss because I thought the cover looked more interesting.

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Turns out Legendia is like the black sheep of the franchise.

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_01]: So I dodged a bullet there, not that Legendia is a bad game.

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_01]: The Tales series is very love it or hate it.

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, they're super anime.

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Like they look anime, they play anime.

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_01]: They're like action RPG, traditional RPG hybrids.

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Because you walk around like a regular RPG, you run into battles on the screen and then you transition into battles.

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_01]: But the battles are action based.

[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_01]: They're like hack and slash, you control the character in the field with swords or magic.

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_01]: But what's cool is they're multiplayer.

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Like battles you can have a friend with you and one person controls one character and the other controls another.

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Up to four players for four party members.

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Really? What did this come out for?

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_01]: It was on PS2, it's also on the 3DS.

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_01]: There's Tales games still coming out to this day.

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Like one just came out on the PS5 and Xbox.

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_01]: One I want to say called Tales of Arise.

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh wow.

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're like cool games but they're super cliche at times.

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Like so many anime cliches.

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_01]: But you kind of go around the world, you follow.

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_01]: They're also very big games, super expansive.

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And one criticism with them is it's very easy to miss out on things if you're not paying attention.

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Because there's a lot of side quests that you get locked out of if you're not diligent.

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Like paying attention.

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd recommend a guide when playing a Tales game.

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_01]: But Tales of the Abyss, it gets kind of a bad rap because its main character is kind of controversial.

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah?

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Well his whole...so spoiler warning for anyone who has never played or...

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean it's an over 10 year old game.

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_01]: It's 2006 when it came out.

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh wow, yeah.

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_01]: That's almost 20 years.

[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_01]: The main character in the game starts out as like a privileged noble.

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's never left his...his plot line is he was kidnapped as a child so he never leaves his mansion.

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's super sheltered.

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And because of that he's like a massive dick starting off the game.

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_01]: He's just an arrogant jerk.

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of like Squall from 7 only he has voiced him.

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_01]: You mean 8?

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_01]: 8, yes.

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Only he's voiced so it's a little worse.

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm kind of hoping Squall evolves a little bit more as it comes along.

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_01]: He gets better, it's harder to...I don't want to spoil anything.

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm in the middle of playing it so...

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_01]: But the difference is the main character Luke, he is actually voiced...

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Ironically he's voiced by Yuri Lowenthal or Soscape.

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh really?

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Who's also a character in Persona 4.

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like games like Persona and...I forget the name of the game.

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_02]: There's this farming game that my buddy Matt plays and there's a bunch of anime people in it.

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Is that what it is?

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Well maybe.

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a bunch of anime people in that.

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Big Manana and Bright Papenbrook are all in it.

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_01]: It's actually kind of funny.

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_01]: In Persona the main character is voiced by Johnny Young Bosch and then like the second...

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_01]: The first party member you unlock is voiced by Yuri Lowenthal.

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_01]: In Tales of the Abyss the main character is voiced by Yuri Lowenthal

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_01]: and then one of the first party members you run into is voiced by Johnny Young Bosch.

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Huh.

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just funny how it is.

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_01]: But the way the game starts out is the character is very unlikable from the beginning.

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's actually part of his character development because you later find out he's actually...

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_01]: So this gets very anime.

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_01]: He's actually a replica like clone created of another character you encounter later on

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_01]: and they were switched.

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_01]: So he's lived his whole life thinking he's this one character when in reality

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_01]: he's actually a clone of said character who he's replaced.

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's actually only seven years old technically

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_01]: but he was cloned at the age the other character was so he's like physically like 19.

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's actually kind of similar to the first season of Picard.

[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a storyline in that show that's very similar.

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_01]: But the whole reason why he's so like...

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_01]: The way he is is because he's only ever known that

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_01]: because he was sheltered in the mansion so he just lives a privileged life.

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And eventually a plot happens where he gets teleported away from the lead female in the game, Tire

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_01]: who is like the main like mage healer of the game.

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And she's coming to the mansion to kill Luke's sword fighting instructor

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_01]: who is actually her brother.

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_01]: It all gets explained later on.

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And then you kind of from there you're on a quest basically

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_01]: because you're out in the middle of nowhere in the teleport.

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_01]: You're on a quest to get back to the kingdom where Luke's from.

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And along the way you meet a whole bunch of things, the plot unravels.

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Eventually at one point Luke destroys an entire freaking city

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_01]: and kills a bunch of people because whoops!

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Makes sense in context.

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And then that begins his whole character development of basically like...

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Because that's also where he finds out, hey I'm a clone.

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_01]: He goes through the cloning blues.

[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And then the whole rest of the game is him basically like...

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_01]: He does the anime cutting the hair basically and starting over

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_01]: because he has super long hair to begin with.

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And then the rest of the game is him basically redeeming himself.

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like a coming-of-age story kind of.

[00:44:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to get into it because it's a super tale story

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_01]: and it gets super weird as it goes on.

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Super fun gameplay, like super solid story.

[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_01]: The tale series is very like...

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_01]: It has a very dedicated following but it's not for everybody in a way.

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like you play one and if you like it then you'll like them all.

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Or sometimes you only like the one you've played.

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Like Tales of the Abyss I can play at any time.

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_01]: But I haven't been like Symphonia like is to...

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_01]: The problem with the tale series is that the newer you play

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_01]: the harder it is to play the older ones because they just get better with each one.

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And then getting into my final game.

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Now this one is probably the most obscure one

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_01]: but it's Lunar 2 Eternal Blue

[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_01]: which was originally released on the Sega CD back in the 90s.

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_01]: So unfortunately Lunar 2 is a very unfortunate game

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_01]: where it's only been released twice

[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_01]: and both versions of it are extremely rare.

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a bummer.

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Because Lunar 2 came out at the tail end of the Sega CD's life and no one bought it.

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And then Lunar 2 Eternal Blue Complete the PS1 remake

[00:45:39] [SPEAKER_01]: came out right at the end of the PlayStation 1's life and no one bought it.

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_01]: An old school...

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_01]: It's made by a company called Game Arts

[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's a very old school turn-based RPG.

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's notable for it was published over here

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_01]: and localized by a company called Working Designs.

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And Working Designs was like the OG localization studio

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_01]: for old RPGs back in the day.

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Back in the day like RPG localization wasn't super like standardized yet.

[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_01]: So you had some very like jank, awful translations

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_01]: like the original Final Fantasy 4 translation is horrendous.

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Hell even Final Fantasy 7's translation isn't particularly good.

[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I never had any problem keeping up with it.

[00:46:21] [SPEAKER_01]: It's easy to follow but if you actually like break it down

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_01]: and you notice a lot of things are very poorly translated.

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm guessing people who have played both the Japanese and the English versions

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_02]: wouldn't catch better.

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_02]: People who speak both and read both.

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_01]: There's some odd like grammar issues to here and there

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_01]: and like misspellings and typos

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's a little confusing how they like change a few things that don't make sense.

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just a product of the time.

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_01]: They still haven't figured it out by then.

[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_01]: But even 8's translation is not particularly good either.

[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_01]: But Working Designs, their whole thing was like

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_01]: they did some things that weren't great too

[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_01]: like they'd make games deliberately harder at times

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_01]: or change like the way they were designed

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_01]: because they did a lot of shoot-em-ups as well.

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_01]: But for Lunar 2, Working Designs and RPGs

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_01]: they would take a lot of things like

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_01]: they would do true localizations where they would take

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_01]: they'd find something in the game

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_01]: that culturally over here doesn't make sense.

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And rather than doing a straight up translation

[00:47:23] [SPEAKER_01]: they'd change it up to make sense for an American audience.

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_01]: So it would work.

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And they'd also

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_01]: they also would do like

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_01]: they did full voice acting at the time

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_01]: with actual decent voice actors

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_01]: which wasn't super common back in the day.

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_01]: So Lunar has a ton of voice acting

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_01]: and Lunar also has full anime cutscenes at times

[00:47:43] [SPEAKER_01]: even on the Sega CD which was very impressive.

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_01]: The plot itself isn't the most deep

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I only say Lunar 2 right now because it's one of my favorite games

[00:47:52] [SPEAKER_01]: but it's also one of those games that

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_01]: some people prefer Lunar 1, Silver Star Story

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_01]: which has been remade like five times.

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Lunar 2 has only been remade once

[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's very hard to find. I just prefer the story.

[00:48:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's the typical

[00:48:04] [SPEAKER_01]: the main character protagonist meets the strange girl from nowhere

[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_01]: and just decides, I am in love with you now

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to follow you to the end of the earth.

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And it kind of you go from there and there's a whole like evil

[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_01]: it's very traditional JRPG for the time.

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not really great at explaining it

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_01]: because I haven't played it in a while

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_01]: so I'd have to actually like break it down.

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_01]: But super anime, super great art

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_01]: cool story, like soundtrack

[00:48:28] [SPEAKER_01]: it's like an old 2D one too so it's not like

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_01]: it's not like

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_01]: it's not that awkward phase of 3D where it was kind of like

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_01]: like FF7's overworld models.

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_01]: So it was still 2D and stuff and it used like

[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_01]: the battle system was cool because it was

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_01]: the sideways turn-based style

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_01]: and the characters kind of moved around the board

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_01]: a little strategically

[00:48:49] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of like a tactics game?

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of like tactical but it was still turn-based combat.

[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:48:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to get into it because I don't want to

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_01]: butcher the plot right now.

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Just one of those favorites

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_01]: and like it's a shame that it's

[00:49:03] [SPEAKER_01]: so freaking rare.

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I mean my first

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_01]: RPG going back if we were going to really

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_01]: go into that is FF8

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_01]: and the whole reason I got FF8

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Whoops. I knocked a box in.

[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_01]: The whole reason I picked

[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_01]: FF8, I got FF8 as my first RPG

[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_01]: was because I wanted 7 but

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_01]: as a 4 year old I screwed up the Roman numerals.

[00:49:23] [SPEAKER_01]: So instead of 7, I got 8.

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well that will happen.

[00:49:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And 8 is, I love it

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_01]: but it is objectively a flawed game in a lot of ways.

[00:49:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I defend it purely based

[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_01]: off nostalgia.

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean I'm enjoying it so far. It's not awful.

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm really looking forward to 9 though.

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like 9 is the one that really kind of focuses

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_02]: more on the fantasy. Oh 9 is

[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_01]: like one of the, so I always say with Final Fantasy

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_01]: is like the way

[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_01]: like the perfect place to start with a Final Fantasy

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_01]: is either 4,

[00:49:53] [SPEAKER_01]: 6 or 9.

[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Those are my

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_01]: definitive 3 because they

[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_01]: 4 and 9 especially

[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_01]: because they are the easiest ones to pick out.

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_01]: There's no complex like systems

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_01]: like the Materia system

[00:50:06] [SPEAKER_01]: or the Junction system. Oh my god.

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah well, the Materia system was

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_02]: definitely easy to understand. The Materia system is

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_02]: simple enough. Okay your magic is an item

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_02]: and it can be interchanged between different people.

[00:50:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. You know and it can level up.

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_02]: So you can switch it from one person to another

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_02]: and keep it the same level.

[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Well the problem I have with the Materia system isn't

[00:50:24] [SPEAKER_01]: so much the system itself. It's kind of the fact that it makes

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_01]: each character not feel

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_01]: unique in a sense. I get that.

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_01]: You can make any character, basically the characters

[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_01]: are like blank canvases. Yeah. And you can

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_01]: basically just make them whatever you want with the Materia.

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_02]: True. To a point.

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean they do have

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_02]: different styles in general. They do well obviously

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_02]: in terms of like. Like you don't want to load

[00:50:44] [SPEAKER_02]: a bunch of magic on Tifa because

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_02]: she's a brawler. Like her whole thing.

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_01]: True, but you can still like. Strength and durability.

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_01]: You can still teach her things because she is good at certain

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_02]: things. Yeah you can for sure.

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And also she has certain armor that has

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_01]: different growth rates.

[00:51:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And then like, what I say about four

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_01]: and nine is they are so

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_01]: simple and easy to pick up because it's like every character

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_01]: has a defined class. There's no like class

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_01]: systems or

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_01]: different weird. Because

[00:51:12] [SPEAKER_01]: the reason I say six. Six is a great game too

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_01]: but six has kind of a

[00:51:17] [SPEAKER_01]: more basic version of what

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_01]: seven has with the Materia system.

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not as like

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_01]: all the characters have definitive

[00:51:24] [SPEAKER_01]: classes in that game but later on in the story you can

[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_01]: give everybody magic and stuff. Yeah.

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_01]: nine and four where you have your

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_01]: mages, you have your brawlers, you have your

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_01]: sword fighters. You have your. I like

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_02]: that. Honestly that's kind of what I was expecting

[00:51:38] [SPEAKER_02]: when I started playing seven. I was really surprised

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_02]: by the way they ended up doing it because it's very different

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_02]: than what I'm used to.

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_01]: You'll like nine. Nine is like

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_01]: the throwback to the classics. Cool.

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just great story, great games.

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Honestly one of the ones I'm

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I know it's a different series

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_02]: altogether but I'm really looking forward to playing Dragon Quest 3.

[00:51:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Because from what I hear

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_02]: that's when Dragon Quest really

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_02]: starts to take a turn and get more

[00:52:02] [SPEAKER_01]: It does. Three is a bit more complicated

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_01]: because three introduces a job system.

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Well from what I

[00:52:09] [SPEAKER_02]: understand three introduces a lot of stuff.

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_02]: It does. I prefer four.

[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately four is not available.

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Actually I think four is available. I have it. Oh yeah you do.

[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I cheated

[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_02]: and I got one of those big compilation DS

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_01]: games. Okay so you kind of

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_02]: play four now. So I actually have Dragon Quest

[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_02]: four, five and six.

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Nine. Yeah, yeah. Four, five, six

[00:52:29] [SPEAKER_02]: and nine. So I just

[00:52:31] [SPEAKER_02]: need seven, eight and eleven.

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Those are on. Seven and eight are on

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_01]: 3DS and eleven's on Switch.

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that's probably what I'm going to end up doing.

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_01]: We can't play ten because we can't have nice things.

[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah exactly.

[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Plus I don't have time for an MMO anyway.

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I've played enough RuneScape

[00:52:46] [SPEAKER_02]: to know that. I'm too busy chasing kids around.

[00:52:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:52:50] [SPEAKER_01]: But that's my gaming

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess top three for now.

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I said those interchange. Some days it's

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Pokemon Emerald, other days it's

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Dude I fucking put this shit out of Pokemon.

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Third gen gets a bad rep.

[00:53:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Third and fourth both get a bad rep.

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Fourth gen gets a bad rep. Fourth gen gets an even worse rep.

[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I know.

[00:53:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't make me start it with that.

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Everyone talks so much shit

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_02]: about fourth gen. I love fourth gen.

[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Fourth gen is probably one of my favorites.

[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Platinum is like the best way to play fourth gen.

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the one. I have that one.

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And I have the remake of Pearl.

[00:53:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Which I barely have. I only have one gem badge on it.

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm finally getting some more in that and I will admit

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I've grown out of it but I still hate the friggin arc.

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't hate it.

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_02]: It definitely

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_02]: bothers me that the 3DS remake

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_02]: of third gen looks better than

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_02]: the Switch version.

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_01]: It's also a reimagining. It's not like

[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_01]: a straight...

[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean it is

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_01]: but it follows the story pretty...

[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_01]: and it actually takes elements from the manga.

[00:53:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Believe it or not. Well what I mean by reimagining is

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_01]: it actually changes

[00:53:52] [SPEAKER_01]: things and puts different twists.

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah like Mowile Town.

[00:53:57] [SPEAKER_01]: They're vastly different in the

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_01]: remake. Vastly. And there's like the whole side

[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_01]: of the story with Steven at times.

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. But I did like that.

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And Cynthia, hey Cindy.

[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Hi. Is the champion

[00:54:08] [SPEAKER_02]: in Gen 4 and she was...

[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I remember her being one of the hardest fucking

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_02]: champions to beat. Oh yeah she was unforgivable.

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_00]: It's the name. It is.

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Well not so much her.

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_01]: It's her Garchomp. Well the Garchomp's bad but also

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_01]: like oh you're about to win.

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh no full restore. Yep.

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Well I mean that's a champion thing in general.

[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah but she was the worst when it came to those.

[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_01]: It would be like come on.

[00:54:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Just let me win.

[00:54:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Full restore. No.

[00:54:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Garchomp.

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Why? You remember the days of fucking playing

[00:54:38] [SPEAKER_02]: the old Pokemon games and you get all

[00:54:40] [SPEAKER_02]: the way there and like when you're a kid

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_02]: you don't want to fight every single trainer

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_02]: so you end up skipping a bunch of stuff.

[00:54:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Also you never switch your Pokemon so your starter

[00:54:48] [SPEAKER_01]: is just way more powerful than ever before.

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Honestly I beat

[00:54:52] [SPEAKER_02]: 3rd gen and 4th gen with

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_02]: like a maxed out...

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I did the fire starter for both so I had

[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_02]: firefighting on both. I beat leaf green

[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_01]: with just a charge start.

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_02]: It's possible but it's

[00:55:06] unforgiving.

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Classics. Hey we almost hit an

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_01]: hour with this one. Yeah.

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Probably won't be once you add the intro and outro.

[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh certainly will. Alright I'm gonna cut it out now

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_02]: just to...