Geek Addicts - Episode 35: Matt Plays Persona 4 Golden For The First Time!

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[00:00:52] been a murder in the town but it's still where he is sunshine and rainbows everywhere. Bill, I'm Bill and this is Matt, how you doing Matt? Everything's great at my Junas. Yep. Yeah, that joke went over like a lead balloon.

[00:01:10] I was like sitting here going like, I was trying to think of a comeback and I'm like, there is no comeback because it's just how it goes. Yeah. Avoid the creepy guy out front that likes cabbages a bit too much though. That's a reference that only some people.

[00:01:26] Hmm. But yeah, fucking. It's been a week. I know we say that every time but this time it's certain is true because more trees fall in our yard. Yeah, it's kind of mental how many times that seems to happen like when I-

[00:01:47] because I went to sleep and that storm happened and I was like, wow this is a bad one. And I woke up the next morning in like the first thing I see is like Cindy posted a whole bunch of the pictures of just the carnage

[00:01:59] and I was like, oh god, not again. Yeah, it was awful. Yeah, I guess freaking out. I think it'd be a brief run down at the weekend I've had, right?

[00:02:07] So, so like pretty much all last week Cindy was in like horrible pain because she had two that really, really needed to come out. So, ultimately like Sunday Monday she was just in pain like wasn't able to do anything.

[00:02:23] Obviously she couldn't eat, she couldn't sleep, it was awful. Tuesday she goes into Boston to like the Tufts like medical, um, tick a learning center or whatever

[00:02:35] and basically she got an extraction there which was good and I ended up taking that day off as she could go do that. And then Wednesday I believe, right? And check my dears right. I think it was Wednesday that we had the big storm.

[00:02:53] I think so because it was going, I think you were. Yeah, because I was going into Thursday. I think so. All I remember is I went to sleep and it was like wow this is bad one. Yeah, yeah, because we got that later on.

[00:03:08] So, Wednesday my uncle who. Who we lit it's his house that we live in. Um, you know, just like a.

[00:03:17] Like catch up kind of thing he's had an infection but he's one of those kinds of old school like get the fuck out of my face kind of guys that no matter what we said he wasn't going to go that until things hit a breaking point he wasn't going to go to go to the doctor.

[00:03:31] We've been on his ass fucking like grandma this been on his ass his sister, you know, um, he just wouldn't do it. Uh, but then on Wednesday like afternoon around like dinner time he goes to come back from my grandma there's a cross street. Fucking falls down.

[00:03:46] I have bad fall. Like fuck fuck themselves up. And that was the point where he was like yeah, I got to go. Like, you know, no question about it. They fucking they bring him there and they tell him his infection is so bad that they had to amputated.

[00:04:00] And it's still the infection might have gone deeper so they might even have to do it higher up.

[00:04:07] So it's like it's bad and then like that night, like before like after he had had his fall was when we had the biggest dorm two trees come down one lands on our house the other one lands on Frank is a little play area outside.

[00:04:23] So we've been spending the whole rest of the time working on trying to get the tree and shit cleaned out because we want to make sure that house is like fucking for steam.

[00:04:34] Perfect 20 gets back, which probably won't be for at least a month because he's got a lot of fucking recovery ahead of them. Hmm. Yeah, if anyone hears chainsaws of the background that's why so yeah, that's what that is the chopping up the tree right now.

[00:04:49] And it's for reference, he's 70 years old. He's fucking, he's no spring chicken. He's he's got a long road out of him. I hope I can go pull our guy. Hope all the best.

[00:05:01] Yeah, it's been a fucking week and it's good to break away and do something a little bit light. Yeah, that's going. Yeah, because of all that we're actually recording later than we usually do so. We're actually following it but we don't play too.

[00:05:18] Yeah, we're recording on Saturday rather than their Friday. So somehow we're both more awake yet. I'm still really tired because I've been up since three because I work this morning. Yeah, me got fun stuff. And when I say worked, I mean, I was there.

[00:05:31] I showed up and I clocked in. I did definitely did that much. I did a job like I finished a project but I didn't like go crazy or anything because we don't have a lot of work as it is at the moment. So

[00:05:47] I spliced an airline and added a second like airline connector to like one of the main airlines by like the machines. I use a lot because I was bored now. Well, because I found an extra airline just chilling under a cart.

[00:05:59] And I'm like, hey, this is I'm like, I could do something with this. And I'm like, I'm going to just splice this in here. Do we need it? No, but I needed something to do so. That's fair enough. I can't argue with that.

[00:06:10] Yeah, so hopefully that doesn't explode because I really didn't know what I was doing. I just kind of wanted. Yeah, I feel that. Oh yeah, but Anyways,

[00:06:24] I'm not really this this has been one of those weeks where like I swear to God I got every bill imaginable in the mail. Like my water bill this month. I got my gas and electric house payment. Yeah, yeah, see it at the month.

[00:06:44] Yeah, I was faming to come in up on my internet bill and that's fun. They're like, they're like, hey, there's all these offers to lower to get them like cool things. Just like the it was like everything at once. It was like this is one of those months.

[00:07:00] Like Thankfully, water bills only every like three months or so. There you go. That's something. Not as bad as just a lot of bills plus I'm getting my tooth taken out in August. So I've got to prepare for that. Just a whole month about the August.

[00:07:22] The first the first Monday. So Okay, that shouldn't say. I hope that I was going to say maybe that'll line up with the week I'm going to main. Maybe I will see. I mean next week is a. Next week's the fourth of July. Long weekend so.

[00:07:44] There's always that if we yet, we might actually have time to record extra episodes if we need to be so. I was thinking that's what I was thinking as perfect opportunity.

[00:07:53] Yeah, but yeah, so this episode was kind of in prop to because originally we were going to cover. The anime film year name, but that got pushed back and then.

[00:08:06] Matt texted me over the weekend he was like, hey, I finished persona four golden so maybe we should finally talk about that one. I figure.

[00:08:13] Might as well do it well it's fresh and I always can talk about persona four golden so we're going to structure this one kind of similar to how we did the chrono trigger episode where. We're not really good.

[00:08:26] It's not going to be a full on retrospective of persona four. I'm going to be kind of going to be more kind of kind of how we did that one word is going to be kind of like.

[00:08:33] This was Matt's first time playing the game and I'm going to get his perspective and I'll add in my own. Knowledge and stuff as we go along so I'm going to hand hand the mic over to Matt and let him start from here. So yeah, I better present.

[00:08:50] And actually it took a lot less time to get through it and I thought you were actually dead on with that where like yes, it's a very long game but you because it probably is how fast it goes.

[00:08:59] 100% true I honestly think it took the exact same amount of time to be persona as a did chrono trigger. So the fun part about persona four golden is play through one goes very quick.

[00:09:12] And then you're going to get all these different because you're going to have max stats max you're going to be able to get all your personas right off the bat. All your money and stuff right off the bat.

[00:09:27] This is then where like the fun comes in because then you get to experiment with. All the social links you'll.

[00:09:35] And then you can't make those go faster you'll be able to do all of the bonus stuff like right off the bat basically it gives you a lot more time that you spent early on kind of like, like, laughing about trying to get your stats all max out.

[00:09:47] Yeah, so that will so you'll notice when you've eventually do a second play through some time in the future you'll notice right away that the second play through kind of feels longer.

[00:09:58] Yeah let's fair I mean the days also do go by pretty quickly because I'll unless it's something like specific story step going on or you.

[00:10:04] You know you get like pretty much two actions a day besides from like, you know going to shops or whatever like that's in California like any sort of like big like oh this is going to. Yeah work on this social link or this is going to.

[00:10:18] You know do this job or whatever to get money and like you don't have to worry about doing stuff specifically raise your stats or whatever so that's already.

[00:10:31] And so my the amount of personas like it hold would go up higher it only like I only got like one increase to like 12 right maybe it was one to 10 and then one to 12 and then it was like not that's just how many you have.

[00:10:42] Yeah, you're limited there you can essentially have one persona of almost every Arcana which is good because. So you want to have high level personas of specific Arcana's because it helps raise those.

[00:10:59] Social links up like say you have a priestess our like persona that'll make the you keep going social link go faster because it's you get a boost from the priestess persona in your party. Hmm, thank you.

[00:11:13] Um, no, I mean all and all like I thoroughly enjoyed the story it was it was a great time all the way through. I totally called it by the way I texted you and told you that.

[00:11:24] Yeah yeah yeah I mean it was kind of obvious anytime you mentioned that I wouldn't say a word.

[00:11:29] So yeah well you mean you kind of claimed up anytime I asked you anything about persona so I mean that was just kind of whatever but I was pretty so even before they gave us any sort of inkling or clue I will. Before we go for.

[00:11:40] I got over here before we go forward spoiler wall just for anyone who has not played for so to for just put it up now. Before we go too far into this.

[00:11:50] Yeah, so that being said yeah, a dodgy is pretty obvious from the start if you pay if you pay really close attention.

[00:12:01] I mean everything points to him as like it's like I said before it's like he you know he's always hanging out at you and ask which is where we do the meetups is where we go into TV is where we do all that shit.

[00:12:10] He has access to you know he knows where do jima lives he you know he's been there a bunch of times fucking.

[00:12:17] I mean obviously with the holding the number time they kind of threw a wrench and things at first but like you know the color concept of like you know a cockles or door you're not kind of questioning it, you know you're going to talk to him.

[00:12:28] I mean like everything lined up perfectly before I gave you any sort of like real clue to point to him like well if you fit the bill and all aspects plus hit the only social link that only goes to six. Kind of we'll get into that later.

[00:12:44] I will say now there is a major giveaway early on that you won't get it first but when you play the game again. It's very obvious you notice when the murder happens right at the start like the first further he runs away and throws up.

[00:12:58] Hmm, because he's like holy fuck that was me. Yeah. That's a that's a pretty interesting little thing that you only kind of notice. You don't notice right away because it's kind of irrelevant at first but then later play through as you realize oh. That makes sense. Hmm. Yeah.

[00:13:19] Definitely. Definitely. I wasn't expecting like you know what a lot of these kinds of convoluted stories and stuff like I didn't expect to get like a real answer about the midnight channel.

[00:13:30] Like what that actually is and I was really so I mean you have to do like the perfect ending to you're like the true ending or whatever to get that explanation but it is there so that. That that nice.

[00:13:40] Yeah, it's basically the midnight channel is just a dimension that is essentially fueled by the thoughts of the people so when people have negative thoughts it causes chaos and disorder in this world that for some reason the portal's to it are televisions.

[00:13:57] It's a very wacky Japan game that's all I'll say right now but that.

[00:14:02] Yeah, and the whole like concept like it makes sense with the whole like oh like everyone starts or tied to like whatever because everyone's like dungeons for each person like fit there whatever it is that they got inside and like I was thinking specifically about nonacos dungeon and how it's you know heaven and it's like you're pretty and flowers and you know and sunshine and all that like it makes sense because you know.

[00:14:27] But it's also she's innocent she's gone to trauma, she lost her mother like yeah but it's also somewhat eerie and has kind of a sinister vibe to it at the same time. Hmm.

[00:14:39] Like one thing that a lot of people miss when they play for some of four for the first time and it's understandable because it's not exactly clear is the dungeons and the status which we'll get into later are essentially.

[00:14:57] They're kind of like the or the host of said dungeons like internal thoughts that they're keeping suppressed the thing that a lot of people miss though is that in the dungeons they're heavily exaggerated.

[00:15:13] They're essentially like a met you it's your inner your most inner repressed like feelings if they were taken to an extreme and like exemplified reality because we'll get into like some of the specifics later but I know one character later on congee.

[00:15:31] His dungeon is like the most complicated one that is the hardest to explain and like there is a bunch of layers to that one and we'll get into that a little bit later. I just love what yo skates just doesn't let them whip it down.

[00:15:43] Just all the time. Yeah yo skates kind of a dick but I love him at the same time. Yeah congee was congee was my favorite not about the dudes like he's cool.

[00:15:53] I will say like one of the reasons so it's no see your person of four goals is my favorite game ever and one of the reasons why I love this game so much is.

[00:16:04] The cast and characters is so likable like I love every single character in this game even the villains. Like dodgy's a piece of shit but I still love him as a character because he's such an effective character for like what his role in the game is.

[00:16:21] He got to have like a like a to be situation going on like from our toe. Yeah like also did you did you notice kind of the met a funny coincidence that the main character in a dodgy share of voice actor.

[00:16:36] You know, not that you say that I definitely but the main character doesn't really talk. It's a different in battle ways the old persona or the name of his persona or whatever like that's not me ever talks.

[00:16:49] It's not as noticeable in the main game itself but in like the anime and like all of the sequels and like a. Like a dad like continued continued media like the the some for re-defining game.

[00:17:05] Dancing all night all the all the spin offs and stuff he's fully voiced and Johnny on Bosch does both voices and it is really interesting because they are kind of.

[00:17:15] One thing that that is interesting about the main character his cannon his cannon name is you and our comedy but you can name him whatever you want.

[00:17:25] Yeah it didn't give any sort of indication that he had a cannon name so I just want whatever but he didn't at the time. The cannon name was established in the anime and then they kept it for all the bonus spin offs.

[00:17:38] Gotcha, but yeah the character I'm going to call him you just to a. For a consistency sake but it's kind of interesting where you know are coming in a dot you are essentially.

[00:17:51] They are like the same character but like polar opposites of each other in a lot of ways. Yeah. Which is a it's interesting when you replay the game and you see a lot of the similarities between them but also massive differences.

[00:18:08] Yeah, it's just so much about this game that I just found really entertaining. So I know you you jit yeah. I was going to say it has a phenomenal voice cast. Oh for sure.

[00:18:26] I was actually before I go forward how you mentioned all the spin-out games are any of those worth putting time into like do they add anything story wise or character wise or is it. Just like a fun little hey, you're all these characters back together again.

[00:18:41] So persona for arena makes place a couple months or so after or maybe it's like a year after the events of. The not that so this is going to get a little confusing persona for ends and then there is a bonus epilogue which takes place like.

[00:19:04] I think a good like a full year after the end of the games events because the game ends. The game starts at the beginning of their second year of high school. There's Japan only has three years of high school rather than four.

[00:19:19] It starts right at the beginning of the second year and then it ends right at the end of the second year. The the epilogue takes place after they've completed their third year and they are graduated so. Okay. So the arena games take place after.

[00:19:40] You leave some you know but before that the events of that epilogue. I think it's actually during the golden week of their third year of high school so he comes back to in above for.

[00:19:53] Golden week and then a bunch of crazy shit happens which with the whole so for arena thing is persona for arena is a fighting game. Okay.

[00:20:01] Arena ultimate the sequel to arena takes place directly after arena so it's like basically the arena ends and then you go right into all the mix. Um, because all the mix ends with you going back to where his parents live in the city.

[00:20:20] Dancing all night the rhythm game spin off that takes place sometime after the events of the arena games but before the epilogue. And it's it's kind of like um. It's another little spin off thing it it's fun enough I enjoy it.

[00:20:41] They have stories the stories are fun if you like the cast of persona for like you get more with them. Oh there's also the persona few games on 3DS those are essentially eTree and Odyssey games but they use persona the persona world. Okay.

[00:21:00] Those take place during those are confusing because those take place during the events of four. But it's like a weird kind of bubble continuity that happens and it's like a crossover between persona three four and five. Okay.

[00:21:15] They're good games I wouldn't recommend playing them unless you're into like dungeon crawlers because they're kind of expensive and they're story wise they really don't add anything. Okay. The arena games I'd say check out just because they're fun fighters and they're pretty harmless.

[00:21:36] Dancing on nights also fun just because I enjoy the music like remix isn't stuff and it does have a fun story you just if you like rhythm games go for it.

[00:21:44] But I guess the answer your question they're not essential but they are fun addons if you'd like some more persona for cast. Okay where does a where does blaze blue fit in there because I know that the four main ones are in that. I think that's non-cannon. Okay.

[00:22:07] I think they involved in the story of that or is it they just character you can play as. I have the game I just never bothered with this story just how I played like multiplayer. I think the blaze blue cross tag tournament thing is just a.

[00:22:21] I'm not sure that's cannon honestly because I haven't played the story either to be honest on that. Fair enough I was thinking about doing it at some point I just.

[00:22:29] I got a bunch of games that I started a while ago that I want to beat though is before I jump in there was something new so. I think arena alternate is on switch as well.

[00:22:40] I'm not sure if arena one is though so that might be a little confusing story was. So you you say that you'll generally always go for you can go correct. Yes. I would like to say that.

[00:23:01] I would also kind of like lock myself into that like early before I had like met any of the other girls. Well, she is the first girl that will technically the second girl if you count Mary but the first real girl that matters. I mean they're all fine.

[00:23:21] I just like you know. Well, I mean technically I ended up dating G a you can go and what the house I need. Recyte but I. I only did like the cutscene to step a G a just because at that point I don't lock it in.

[00:23:39] Like as I said before I'm not I'm not doing my first run right unless I'm breaking her it's along the way so. Yeah, and a person of four gold just makes you feel like a dick for doing it at the end. Yeah, that's true.

[00:23:52] It's not played for laughs like five was. Yeah. So like what what's your personal favorite aspect of the person of four? Um. I love the gameplay loop like um. So for so no four has a very fun gameplay loop where. It is a combination hybrid.

[00:24:20] Turn based RPG along with social sim. And the game is split up into two distinct halves. There's obviously the dungeon crawling like turn based RPG stuff. And then you get the social stuff and the way the gameplay loop works is in between every like.

[00:24:38] Dungeon section where you have to rescue a party member or a significant character. There are you get essentially a time limit of. A certain amount of days before you have to go in and. Save set character complete the dungeon.

[00:24:54] So the game the way the gameplay loop works is essentially every day on the calendar is like. The game has it there you have a set amount of time essentially in game. And then it's like you can see four out of the game ends.

[00:25:08] So every day you kind of have a bunch of tasks you can do you can completely free roam like go around. It is a very small kind of overall pound so it's not it's very easy to like not get lost like you can.

[00:25:20] Find everything pretty easily and you essentially go through your days you get it build up stats. Improve relationships which then help you in battle. And then the loop will reset and you'll go back to social stuff and it it's just a very quick loop.

[00:25:36] And there's always something happening like in any of them like there's say one day you'll run into say this character or another character. Certain social links then unlock other social links like. Say there's the death archive it's an older woman that you'll encounter.

[00:25:54] I believe that to unlock her social link you have to do the devil. Our kind of which is the nurse because they there's a bit of overlap there.

[00:26:04] Yeah, it's it's kind of cool like there's specific like this the way the whole game works together and like everything kind of connects and every play through's different that's kind of my favorite part about it. For sure.

[00:26:18] Yeah, I was sort of bringing it up just because we didn't I forgot to mention it a week or two ago. But the. The beauty patching.

[00:26:30] Yes that was interesting because there was a regular beauty page with all the female characters and then there was also a cross dressing. Yes, all the male characters and they only reason they they get entered in is because the.

[00:26:44] The Josuke entered all the girls without their consent so then they decide to enter all the boys so there's a as a revenge and they end up being the only guys in the the drag competition.

[00:26:57] I will say just a little forward note this game is very Japan and Japan obviously has very different standards than America so some things in this game maybe a little off putting but that's it's just it's different cultures so we kind of. To move past that.

[00:27:13] It was also a PS2 game so you also got to think like early to that early make sure I mean they're still doing it in five so and a five obviously there even more believe it. I mean, what did I do 2017. Okay so it's still fairly recent.

[00:27:30] Yeah for the most part I mean seven years that's that's still pretty new. We're. Persona 4 came on oh wait by the way just to put that one out there. Okay very late yes to you. Yeah the drag competition though is.

[00:27:54] Interesting it's honestly more entertaining in the anime because they play it up for laughs even more but. This is the the original person for anime correct. Yes the golden anime is pointless I wouldn't bother even.

[00:28:09] I'm probably still going to watch it just because because at this point I like. I like the story and the characters so I can jump into that world for the longer I will but.

[00:28:20] It's a shame that it's it's more difficult to find the original one it sits at least encouraging to know that you have it on DVD so the next time you're hanging out we can watch it but. Yeah yeah. Um.

[00:28:37] What's funny about that that whole beauty page in adventures though it literally like adds nothing to the story literally just kind of happens.

[00:28:45] Well it's kind of how like a lot of these kinds of like in game events go like it was the same kind of thing with like the the the the the the the the. The the the camping out trip and. Um.

[00:28:57] Was the other one the this I mean this is a one important. Well yeah the ski trip so the ski trip was added for gold that was not in the original game.

[00:29:06] Oh like the city trip like I know that was supposed to be like a reference to persona 3 whatever but then I went to the. Like little like my club area and all that of the stuff so.

[00:29:16] I mean that stuff wasn't like a port to the story but it was world building it was character development it was just goofy times with your characters that we've been getting to know and. I don't know it's still enjoyable.

[00:29:26] Honestly, it got to a point where I like I like done in crawling games like they're giving her on but I got to a point at some point in that game where I was enjoying the story beats and the social link stuff more than I was enjoying the danger crawling.

[00:29:41] That's the thing about four that I really like is that the story is. So engaging and there's so many like little aspects to it like.

[00:29:51] What one of the jokes some people have made up about you know are commies that he's kind of like Mr. Perfect at times like he's always like always right kind of thing and they the.

[00:30:02] In the later games in the anime, they kind of played that up as he's like the magnetic badass who like everything just goes perfect for him at all times. I would just fun.

[00:30:14] What's cool though is like your interactions with the people in the game do matter in the long run like this jumps like way far ahead but um. The final day of the game.

[00:30:27] When you're at the train station ready to leave every social link that you maxed out they're all at the at the station platform waiting for you and like they all basically have things to say like they want to say goodbye.

[00:30:39] So if you max out like almost every social link literally like you'll run into like all the characters that you like met along them, which is really fun. Or another cool event is like during a Christmas time like when you go around town and you actually like.

[00:30:54] You'll run into pretty much all the social links you've maxed out and you can. They'll chat they'll chat you up and be like hey how's it going Merry Christmas stuff like that which is kind of cool.

[00:31:04] Yeah, I'm definitely going to make more but effort to try to do more social link stuff because I like I was like doing it early on but like I was also working on like you know.

[00:31:14] Boosting like my my stats and training my personas and stuff like doing a lot of that early on. It is organized how before I really tell important social links were. It's very hard to play a month.

[00:31:28] I kind of wanted yeah it's very hard to max them on a first playthrough it's usually. Subsequent playthroughs where you really get everything down. Yeah, you got a new game plus that shit. Yeah new game plus is my favorite aspect of this like game because you basically.

[00:31:46] It makes it makes the replays almost infinite because you there's so many different things you can do like there's also like different. So some of the social links have different chains too that you can follow like the the strength of our con is.

[00:32:04] But you get by joining the sports club and you can either join the soccer team or the basketball team and they both have completely different story lines that they follow depending on the.

[00:32:15] Just kind of I was going to ask about that because I didn't do any of the clubs. And I didn't know like what did it work like social links was it like that kind of thing or just like so.

[00:32:26] That boosting thing the sports clubs are the strength of our kind of and then the drama or music clubs are the son arcana. Okay, maybe it's moving out there.

[00:32:40] See there's some of them. It's one of those because then the the girl the there's the girl in the school that you can talk to right by the main entrance she's also one of the Arcana's.

[00:32:52] I also didn't do very many of like the quests like it was a one point where I was kind of. Yeah, we can do a dungeon crawl I just run around and give everybody whatever item is they wanted but I.

[00:33:02] I like did that like a couple times and then I just got a lot of go. They're kind of pointless like because you don't really get anything it's mostly if you want to get better items and stuff. Because you get even a lot of that.

[00:33:14] I was going to say even a lot of the chests weren't really like that. It usually like go homes and stuff like go home is my favorite pond. Yeah, right I picked up on that right away and so those hilarious. Did you run into the Reaper at all?

[00:33:29] Yeah, I killed it in the final London. Oh, so you did get the Reaper. Um, fun fact you can get the Reaper and like you keep those dungeons if you're like you're lucky. I did actually in it. Absolutely ruin me.

[00:33:45] Like oh, what's this? And it's like, oh fuck. I can't remember it was either you could go dungeon or. Cajito it was early it was within the first like three months in the game. You can get you can get the Reaper in.

[00:33:59] Uh, you keep those dungeon on the first run and it is hilarious when it happens. Yeah, I only ran into it twice.

[00:34:08] Um, and this like a time like I said was in the final London so at that point like everybody I have was in the 90s like mid 90s for level. So I wasn't worried about it. Yeah. I knew it.

[00:34:21] Okay, well, I was going to say in persona three the Reaper was more of an annoyance that would roam around the dungeons and you kind of had to avoid it because you couldn't it wasn't just like a chest chest I think that would happen.

[00:34:35] It was more of a careful this thing roams the hall sometimes and you might run into it. Hmm. I should ask my shenanet thought. You would just say a while on you were just saying how you are you your strategy I believe for fighting it.

[00:34:54] Uh, oh no, it's just saying like that how it you know when when you bump into the chest it'll be like oh you share you want to fight it is pretty tough.

[00:35:03] Well, so either um, Teddy or later, Risa will basically be like don't open this chest it is dangerous and you're like what I'm going to do it I was. Hmm. I'm speaking to that is something cool there I know it.

[00:35:18] Speaking of that who did you prefer as your navigator Teddy or Risa? No, Risa, 100%. Well, you didn't like their puns. But I didn't mind the bare puns at all. It's she just has way more like abilities that help out.

[00:35:35] She's ran of a heal you wish you ran of a randomly restored your SP or. Um, oh here's an attack booth here's a defense booth you know like that was just useful.

[00:35:46] Yeah, we're just kind of like you know goofy you know like yeah which is fine I have no problem with goofy characters and games but you know it's it's not really helpful and a dungeon situation. Yeah, yeah, Risa is definitely the better navigator just because she.

[00:36:04] Persona is literally designed for it. Um, yeah, which what the fuck is up with the telescope had like that and it gets to find a form and it's head is literally just a giant as fucking telescope. Telescope with the fucking solar system floating around it.

[00:36:21] Um, I don't know. I don't know. It's not. bizarre. I mean, your skin's got razor blade man as his persona. So. Well, I didn't. You didn't. I didn't I didn't he was still on level one percent of all time. You didn't get a Susan.

[00:36:43] Uh, with as like razor blade flying around him and it's disco effort. No, I didn't I didn't get that one night. I pretty much prioritized the social links for my party members and Josuke got booted really early so.

[00:36:58] As soon as I'm like, Kaji, Josuke you guys gave us gone. Yeah, Josuke's got a great social link to the. Oh, I'm sure. I mean, I'll probably going to. Uh, next time around. I'm going to swap out on my party members and just have.

[00:37:13] With a Josuke Teddy and. Um, now to. Yep. Great. That's all right. Yeah, so it's a. Shea. Josuke. Yukiko. Congee. Teddy. Recy and now to. Yeah, okay.

[00:37:33] So yeah, I'll just swap out those three and put in the other three because I was looking at some of their abilities and stuff because Teddy's just upgrade automatically since he's. His social link goes up as you progress the story. Yeah, his plot relevant.

[00:37:47] I saw that he had some of it. So I feel like he's supposed to be like the healer out of those three. Uh, he is you can go still. The superior healer in like the long run, but Teddy has some decent healing moves as well.

[00:38:01] I know I totally understand. I'm just saying like, like, like if I were to swap out the three that I've been using for the other three, like out of the three that I didn't use Teddy would be the healer. So. Add of all the party members.

[00:38:14] Teddy is my least used party member. Uh, just in general. You want to know why. It is the most. Teddy reason ever. When he walks in the dungeon. No, the bare puns don't bother me. It's when he walks in the dungeon.

[00:38:30] He makes that squeaking sound everywhere and it drives me fucking up a wall. So I'm just like, yeah, I can't. I just thought he immediately gets sent to the storage bin basically forever. That's fair. I understand. Oh, yeah, you get. I do like that.

[00:38:47] I do like the not to just use his guns. Yes, yeah, her. Uh, handgun, which is a reveal on it all at its own. The fact that she's a her. Yes, although her voice actress doesn't do the greatest job hiding it.

[00:39:06] I won't say true, but with how often women play younger boys. I, I, I noticed it and I said, yeah, that's obviously women's voice, but it could have just been playing a younger boy. A younger boy, a younger, more than a boy. True.

[00:39:26] I saw through now, too, as if female real early on, I think it might just be the, I don't know. I, that reveal kind of like, was it wasn't a shock to me, but I think I might have just.

[00:39:41] But by the reveal that she had the biggest boobs at all. That was played for laughs and then you, and then the bathhouse scene happens and the ending, the ending, eapologna, like, oh yeah. Okay. Yeah. When she actually starts to ask them like, you're over the end.

[00:39:57] Yeah, where she accepts herself. Also if, um, if you do, if you romance just now, it's for Chris Beseeb, she wears a female uniform. Okay. Wow, she's even wear like a fucking, uh, kimono or anything. She just wears it.

[00:40:18] Well, it's for the, the, she wears her like little like suit thing on a, actually, you don't get now to know. It doesn't have to be partying during the festival or I don't think. I don't think so.

[00:40:36] Yeah, so I don't think no if you ever get it out for two to do this year in a kimono. Yeah, I didn't, I didn't work on her social links. I didn't realize until it was way too late how to start it.

[00:40:46] Yeah, hers is a pain in the ass to start. But she got it to do this. Yeah, I literally had to go and talk to somebody at the, at the shopping center and then go back to Naruto, like, hey, let's guy.

[00:40:58] Yeah, it's, it's, but you have to go through oops, which is a little annoying, especially if you don't know it first. Hello, conjures all of that. And then conjures like my favorite character and all the thing. Conj, we should probably get into conjure now.

[00:41:10] Conj, is he is one of the best characters in the game. And he is also one of the most complicated and complex characters overall. Well, that's part of what makes him a good character. I mean, nobody, nobody likes to, it was a Gary's too.

[00:41:26] Is that the male version of that? Yeah. So Conj, I mean, first off he's, he's voiced by a, Cory Baker for, seven eighths of the game. Fun fact, all the bonus scenes for Golden. He was voiced by Matt Mercer because Troy Baker was unavailable at the time. Mm-hmm.

[00:41:50] But yeah, he's voiced by Troy Baker, which is just awesome and, inherently. This was actually one of Troy Baker's first major roles too. Mm-hmm. Um, he's, he, where do I begin with Conj? He is, he's outward appearances.

[00:42:10] He's a punk because he's got the bleach blonde hair and the jacket. But what makes Conj so fascinating is the fact that he's secretly a softy mama's boy inside. Mm-hmm. Yeah, because he definitely has like the whole, like, Delinkquent style about him. Yeah.

[00:42:28] And to me, like, what I find the most interesting about, um, Conj is there is a bit of a, uh, the game kind of like throws you for a loop with him at first because one of his, one of his big introduction, like character moments is

[00:42:47] uh, when you're trying to find information on him for his, uh, cause he's the next target for the TV world. Um, because the way that works is basically they watch the midnight channel, which is like this weird channel

[00:42:58] that shows like the, uh, it shows weird shit on TV, essentially before they, uh, they muttered. And, um, basically, whatever a character appears on the channel. It's because they were on TV previously or something like that. It's weird. That works. Mm-hmm.

[00:43:16] But, um, yeah, well, while they're trying to get information on Conj, cause they know he's the next target, there's actually Nautos first appearance. Um, at this point, we still think she's a he and, she's, um, trying to get intel on Conj, as well.

[00:43:36] But her, because she's kind of not great with, um, speaking to, uh, people, basically, because she's kind of sheltered. Uh, she kind of makes Conj, think it's a date. And Conj is confused because he thinks she's a he at the time,

[00:43:53] which sends his brain through this whole weird thing. He's not sure what's going on. And then, because he's also into more cutesy feminine stuff. I like sewing and like knitting all that fun stuff. Um, his dungeon is essentially an exaggerated, like, reality where,

[00:44:16] like, all that repressed, like, nature comes out. And it's like a bathhouse and his, um, shadow is extremely camp, like, through an extreme. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, great time. And that has led to a lot of theories that Conj is secretly, uh, gay.

[00:44:38] I don't think he is personally, I think he is just in touch with his feminine side. And the exaggerated dungeon is just expressing that. Uh, because later on when he finds out that now it does a girl. He's just into now it though. That's kind of his thing.

[00:44:56] He's not really, it didn't matter her gender. It was literally, he's just into her. Basically, it's like her in general. Yeah. Yeah. So it's, it's a, it's a weird dynamic that's going to be debated. It'll be debated for probably as long as this game exists.

[00:45:10] That's my personal take on it. But yeah. No, I, I don't, I'd have played with you there. Um, yeah. Conj is an interesting character in general. Um, also his social interests were like, oh, yeah, for sure.

[00:45:32] Um, yeah, I was just going to say like, no, I totally agree with you because it mean, like, you can say like, oh, this is like a, you know, this is what he's hiding. But it, like you said, it's like a big exaggeration, like, resays not a stripper.

[00:45:44] But her only, well, shadow persona was literally a stripper. Like, or how a Yuki goes shadow persona was like extra sluddy. Yeah. But it's just like, you know, it was a whole thing. I actually kind of disappointed that she ate and get a whole dungeon.

[00:46:00] But at that point, I only had Yosuke as a party member. So yeah, they, they, unfortunately, Yosuke and she, kind of get the short end of the stick there, they still get exaggerated, shadow persona's like where Yosuke is like an extra prick.

[00:46:20] And um, she is like, she is weird because it's like it's highlighting her protective nature of um, Yuki go who is like one of her only friends in this at the time. So it's kind of like, one of those things were like, like,

[00:46:36] Yosuke and she is, we're basically just kind of like, bitching about the people their closest to. So like, Yosuke was close to his sempli lady who was killed. And then it was the same thing with G.A., where it was Yuki go and yeah, went from there.

[00:46:53] So you like, you jump around with personas a lot. That stuff like that, making new ones as such. I, I didn't. I mean, I was still making new personas and like, you know,

[00:47:07] playing around with it and stuff, but I pretty much used the same persona for the vast majority of the game. Um, you can get away with that. The, the main reason you want to make new personas is just for social link stuff. Also, um,

[00:47:22] It's partially how you have to fuse new personas to make to make new personas. It's a confusing system like that. Like for me, one of the, one of the social links is Margaret who's one of the velvet remitandance.

[00:47:41] And her social link is unique that you can actually max it out in one day, like you don't need to like go multiple visits. Um, essentially hers is just she wants you to make personas for her.

[00:47:53] So you have to go into like the dungeons and just fuse specific personas with like specific attributes. Um, It's essentially a way of teaching you how to use the persona system. But um,

[00:48:06] And if you max out of your social link, you get a smooch in the final day. Yes, you do and, and if you, if you max out Margaret, socially, you get a super bus. Oh, I think you're thinking of Mary. No, Margaret gives you this mooch. Does she?

[00:48:29] Yeah, I think Mary gives you one on Valentine's Day. So you, you did max out Margaret's right. Hmm. Okay, I should have, I should have warned you about this.

[00:48:43] To get the super boss you have to go into one of the dungeons because the she's at the end of one of the dungeons. And that's where you face it. Oh, okay. I forgot about that. It doesn't, it doesn't direct you directly to a you have to.

[00:48:55] I think it's the end of. I think it's heaven. She's at the end of heaven and that's where you fight. Okay. She's a super boss and like if you thought the Reaper was hard. Hmm. Well, I mean by the time I actually fought the Reaper,

[00:49:09] like like I said, oh my guys were like my, the person I've been using had had max stats for a while at that point. So as stats were all there. All of my party members were like mid 90s.

[00:49:21] I had the best equipment they could possibly get at that point. So I wasn't exactly hurting when I fought the Reaper. Oh, Margaret's hard. Like even at max stat like she is a very challenging boss. And even with like use ultimate persona, which you can only.

[00:49:39] So you couldn't get it on this playthrough. You can only get used alternate persona on a new game plus play through. Um, because you have to uh, you have to see the cutscene in the final boss fight who I'm locked use persona in like new game boss mode.

[00:49:55] Right, right. Yeah, because it's his original persona like evolves. Yeah, I can't. I'm like the final hit against that one. Yeah, you could actually use that persona in like re in like a new game plus play through.

[00:50:11] You have to fuse it and it's very complicated persona fusion that involves. It's like an eight, I think it's like an eight way version fusion or something like that. It's crazy. Jesus. It's easy with a guide, but it's um, it takes a lot of time to get.

[00:50:25] That's all I'll say there. Yeah, what they got didn't notice is that like when you're just going through like regular gameplay and like working on social links done to crawling all that stuff like the fact that you're a sound protagonist is it fits perfectly.

[00:50:40] But when like there's like big cutscenes of stuff happening and he's just sitting there with a straight face the whole time while this stuff is going on it's pretty goofy. Like when after the ski trip event were.

[00:50:55] Yo Skate and Teddy you're trying to people over the fence and he's just standing there watching like some of the distance not sure what to think. Yeah, or like even one is he's riding the train away on the last day and who's there's a you can go.

[00:51:10] And with the yo's gay who are chasing the train or maybe was Teddy I don't remember. I think it's all like they're looking to get there they're like chasing chasing it down you know doing the whole like train leaving thing and everyone's like doing this big emotional like.

[00:51:26] Oh, like we don't be back and also the stuff where we had a great time with love you. You've got the claw and you just sitting there. It dead face completely like nothing just yeah nobody's home. Yeah, the enemy actually makes some jokes about that.

[00:51:44] It's a goes on so that's pretty long yeah I'm definitely looking forward to watching the enemy for it. It is surprisingly funny like there is some really funny stuff in that enemy. I get imagined. What else what's another good topic the soundtrack for this game is fucking phenomenal.

[00:52:07] Oh, yeah it's best luck on my head for like two months. Show G Magoro's probably my favorite video game composer of all time like you're so on a four soundtrack is amazing because it's so upbeat.

[00:52:20] But it also offers like consistently and it covers so many styles like there's heavy metal hard rock J pop like folk like just all sorts of stuff and 16 bit. Yeah yeah with that with the bonus boss.

[00:52:36] Yeah well, while the main boss I should say it in the golden version is to be does eat bit stuff. Oh speaking of speaking of golden I should bring up some of the bonus events what did you think of the.

[00:52:50] The trip up to the so when you get the motor scooter. You get to go to all these different areas what do you think of the trip up for the dating quest. The dating quest.

[00:53:03] When a yo skate wants to go pick up girls and you have to go along you. Oh right I don't remember how that went. Yeah, they're on.

[00:53:13] So basically you got all three go up to the city after a yo skate after you get your scooter and yo skates a scooter and congee is on a bicycle. This funny. Yeah.

[00:53:27] Basically you're all in the city and yo skates wants to pick up girls so you have to walk around and like try to get numbers from all the different girls right and my favorite is one of them is like this like kind of like.

[00:53:39] Activist girl who's like protesting something and like you'll start like joining her in her protest and then like eventually you'll realize this is going away. You can just leave. Um, Then like you get like a couple numbers and stuff and like one of my favorites is like.

[00:53:57] You call the number it's like some guy it's like you was like some guys wife and you like threatens you over the phone. I think I remember that yeah. Congee, congee picked up a hooker. And then a yo skate got pranked and got a be a.

[00:54:15] The the stereotypical overweight girl her number jeep. Blattens his motorcycle. All right. Grab on that and he dies inside. All right, but then you act then you get accent. Go on again. I was going to say you go.

[00:54:40] I was going to say after that you get access to that city as a bonus place for raising up social links and stuff. Okay, is it right? Yep.

[00:54:50] Yeah, because I said I think you ever get to go back to that other city that you did the fuel trip on. No, because that's in it that's on an island. I believe.

[00:55:00] Yeah, I was going to I was going to move on to the big beach trip where we went to the beach and everyone's writing writing mope heads there and then. I said, can you just write it? Can you just write it?

[00:55:13] Is that a really good idea that congee is just writing is by a get Teddy just running for whatever reason. No, he's on roll skates. Was he on roll skates?

[00:55:20] Yeah, he had roll skates because because during one of the group meetings like they were talking about how they were going to get there and then you could go things. It's really funny that it would be hilarious if Teddy got their own roll skates.

[00:55:29] So he just went a lot with it because he wanted this go with you. Yes, Teddy never scores. Anyone even tries to score with not a go. Yeah, that was weird. Yeah, well, he's not technically human so you can't really hold it against them.

[00:55:46] Well, he grows up he grows a body of kind of didn't air. Yeah, that was see that something that's never really explained.

[00:55:54] Well, Teddy is a bit of a conundrum himself because he's essentially a shadow that grew a personality and then gained its gain to persona which then caused him to get a lot of money. He's just gained his own conscious life. Some weird shit like that.

[00:56:10] Yeah, it was really bizarre. But yeah, the big thing was fun. Oh yeah, we're watching. On G loses speedo. Yep, he had a fucking speedo. That was his B1 right?

[00:56:28] The girls walk over there like, well my favorite part is when Teddy, when he walks out of the ocean he's holding Teddy like a surfboard.

[00:56:35] And it's like covering his, you know, and the whole time like Teddy's like freaking out there. Well they're like trying to figure out what to do.

[00:56:43] And so they covered with seaweed and of course the girls walk over and they're like, fuck are you doing it? They're like we're just recreating the birth of Venus. And then actually that's that scene has one of my favorite lines in the entire.

[00:57:00] I, my favorite lines in the entire series where. Well actually no, this didn't happen at the beach event. This happened during the the school camping trip. Like, why is going across during the school camping trip? There's a point where they're going to go Bayther in the river.

[00:57:18] And the girls are like, oh we forgot our swimsuits. We can't do that. And then yo, yo's gauges pulse swimsuits out of his camera space. And he's like, don't worry. I came prepared and the crows are just like, dude that's so messed up. So many level.

[00:57:35] We don't have a girl crazy and I was going to say like, oh girl crazy and shitty is surprised he didn't suggest any living. Yeah, honestly. It's kind of funny though, like the, the anime plays that scene up a whole lot more, but

[00:57:56] Yeah, there's a lot of really great ways up to this spot or not this spot. If I can hot springs stuff too. Yeah, not as much as you think though, honestly it's about on par with the anime.

[00:58:14] The only difference is on in the game they're wearing towels for censorship in the anime not so much. That's surprising. I would have thought that, Could you know, I get the hot springs trip that's always such a big anime trope that's in like every slice of life ever.

[00:58:33] I mean they play it up, but it's about as it's about the same on the as the game like where the girls, like one of the funniest things about the hot spring thing is like the girls kind of screw it up and they go in during the males bathing hours by accident.

[00:58:48] So then the guys show up and they're the girls are like calling them parverts like usual. And they start just hooking like wash baskets at them, which is hilarious. And you get a couple options. You can either

[00:59:01] You can either like run away or try to talk it out of my favorite is stand your ground and basically all stand your ground does is you continue to get pelted with baskets until finally all the gear given run away.

[00:59:15] And then the girls realize we screwed it screwed up the times we were treated. We're like, no we're not not dealing with that. I always stand my ground because I just think it's funny it's the watch them get a few more minutes. Yeah.

[00:59:34] So out of like all like the side social links which one do you like the most side social links? So there's a good amount of ones that aren't part of members are like we're either in the gym is.

[00:59:47] I won't count Mary either because hers is kind of special as well. I enjoy the sports club one particularly the you do the basketball team because his story is pretty interesting. Honestly, the the devil Arcana is surprisingly.

[01:00:12] Deeper than it seems that that's the other nurse on you can work during your night job. That one's pretty deep there there's one where like you two to like a like an elementary student. Middle school where I think actually. That one's got a cool out resolution.

[01:00:35] That's another good one. Oh the the hanged man Arcana that the that is the younger brother of the girl that gets murdered at the start of the game.

[01:00:46] Right, I pump I pumped into him and I think like I got to the point where he wasn't told me to go fuck myself. But yeah, never like developed past that I didn't even see him after that.

[01:00:59] So he is his annoying because he he has a tendency to just like if you miss if you miss his start day. Because you need to have a certain amount of stats I believe to start his if you miss his leg or something.

[01:01:16] Yeah, if you miss his start date. He like doesn't appear for a while and it's like you have to wait till much later in the game and you can miss a lot you can easily miss his is a. Social link.

[01:01:30] The reason I bring up his social link in particular, though is it is one of the most interesting ones because it's it's really an interesting. Idea behind a guy who. He just lost his like.

[01:01:43] He just lost a family member and he's going through a lot of shit, especially with his like family business, which is getting ruined by the fact that there's a giant grocery store chain that's kind of killing all the smaller businesses.

[01:01:55] And the whole time he's basically being people are walking around him on excels because of is sister dying and they're basically over pitting him and he hates it and it's like. The whole thing is essentially you're just kind of have to.

[01:02:09] Treat it, it's basically the whole thing is around just treating him like a normal person and like letting him. She'll even grieve the whole situation. Hmm. Which is um it's kind of dark. It's fair.

[01:02:26] What thing I will say is that that was really interesting how um all the personas are based off of terocards like for like different our connotipes. And I thought that was really interesting because that's almost exactly the way stands are introduced and Joseph is our adventure.

[01:02:42] There is a lot of our based on terocards and like stands are pretty much exactly the same thing as per personas. I believe persona was heavily inspired by Jojo's bizarre adventure. Makes sense. So persona has been out of shimmigame tenseq right? Yes.

[01:03:01] Does shimmigame tenseq do similar things or is are they like, you know, actually super proud kids or whatever. Um, so they're similar to a degree rather than having personas and shimmigame tenseq instead recruit demons. Okay. Interesting. Um, apologies for the chainsaw on the back of our different body.

[01:03:31] Yeah, the chop up the tree outside. Yeah. In shimmigame tense though, it's more um it's not so much like the big difference between persona and shimmigame tenseq is persona is very kind of real world inspired like it's more down to earth in a like a school setting. Okay.

[01:03:55] So shimmigame tenseq games tend to be a bit darker and more fantastical at times, but they also feel they also feature real world stuff. Um, the big difference though is rather than having personas that you recruit demons into your body.

[01:04:10] But like, I added it's core it's essentially the same thing. It's an external beam that's doing this crazy stuff for you. Kind of the, also the social aspect is much less is a lot lesser in the main line shimmigame tenseq games.

[01:04:26] Because I mean, persona one and two are also significantly different from reon word like they were a lot more should make them a tenseq and yeah what persona became. Thank you. Oh excuse me. Little tired.

[01:04:52] So I have to ask the uh so after the the the nomatami reveal, did you screw up the first time or did you make the right choices on your first confrontation? Uh, whether or not the chef and the TV. Yeah.

[01:05:10] I did not do that, but I also kind of cheated a little bit because um, I think that was one of the one of the decisions you had to make that would lead into the. Um,

[01:05:26] I remember I think at the beginning of that whole thing it said be careful your choices batter or whatever. Yeah, it gives you a save option before that's that um, that section.

[01:05:37] Yeah, so when that happened I was like all right. I because I wanted to make sure I got the real ending like the full complete because I wanted to know like the whole story and I want to miss anything. Um, okay.

[01:05:50] So I I I knew going into it that I had a specific way I needed to do it and I'm sure even without looking it up. I probably would have gone into the assumption that sparing him is the correct thing to do. But yeah, so. Excuse me.

[01:06:09] So spoiler, thanks spoiler here even though we've already put the spoiler warning. After you uh, you go to non-accos a dungeon and you face off against nomatami who is nomatami's interesting because he's introduced right at the start of the game and he um,

[01:06:29] throughout the game you're kind of he's just kind of a background element that isn't major to the story. And then you find out oh wait he's this he's the actual guy that's been throwing everybody in the TV. Hmm, since starting with you can go specifically.

[01:06:48] Well, because we find out later a dodgy is the one that what it did do is mind that that's how he should uh, go forward with his mission. Um, and.

[01:07:02] Essentially what happens is you face off against him in heaven and he ends up having a mental breakdown in there. And essentially once you pull him out of the TV. He's in the hospital but also non-accos in the hospital because going into the TV world kind of.

[01:07:20] It takes a lot out of you, especially if you're a, especially if you're a young child who doesn't have a persona. It can actually be almost deadly. Yeah, because this is a bad route where non-acco dies because of it and correct?

[01:07:35] So, non-acco is that this is the biggest gut-wrenching part of this game is where non-acco temporarily dies during a machine here. And the game. Apologies. The game does this pretty effectively where they have non-acco temporarily die right before you have this major plot decision.

[01:08:05] Just to kind of mess with your emotions. So what happened? We're going to be fighting this chase offer a minute here. Yeah, it's with Prague going to go on for a bit of being totally honest. Is it really loud in your end? Well, I can't hear myself talk.

[01:08:36] Oh, really? Oh, like I don't always canceling headphones so I can't really. Yeah, yeah. All right, it's a little quiet or no. But essentially this is not soundproofed. Essentially what happens though is you get this gut-wrenching moment where your emotions are at all time high.

[01:08:59] And then the right, you get the next choice was essentially now everybody's pissed because like, not ecologists died, so everyone's at emotional high. And basically you get the choice of like, hey, this guy caused all our problems.

[01:09:17] We could just throw him in this TV and be done with it. Except if you've been paying attention, you'll notice like really fast that there's clearly something not right here. Like something else is clearly going on. And this guy clearly probably knows the answer.

[01:09:35] So if we throw him in the TV that basically ruins everything and think we lost Matt. There you are. Okay, he's back. Get it. You had a fruit out of the minute. Yeah, so did you. But yeah, yeah, the whole thing will not have a time.

[01:10:10] I feel like there were a bunch of things and what's the other kid's name? Oh, uh, Missio Kubo, I believe his name is. Yeah, that guy, he killed Mr. Moron there. Yeah, the buck tooth guy. Hmm, who somehow isn't as bad as his replacement.

[01:10:31] He's somehow better than his replacement, which is hilarious for them. Catch you, Aggie. Yes, she's annoying. And so many levels. Yeah, for real. Like when I was like when I was recate comes to town and she's like, like, oh, I don't know anybody cares about her.

[01:10:52] She should like more experienced girls like me and you know, just stuff that a teacher shouldn't be saying to her students. Oh, but yeah, going back to the TV segment. And if you do throw nomatame into the TV, the game essentially ends right there.

[01:11:12] It cuts right to the end of the year. The town is still covered in fog and non-acoustes dead. And you basically leave on the saddest ending possible. Hmm. What's really fun though is right after that scene.

[01:11:32] If you make the right choice and don't throw them in the TV, you can still get locked into another bad ending like immediately right after if you make another choice wrong.

[01:11:43] Which one was that? I know I had it in front of me before, but I didn't actually read what happened in that ending. So what happens next is then so you spare his life. But say you don't understand why you spared his life.

[01:12:00] You have to essentially talk, you escape down into basically being like we need more information essentially. And that's something doesn't add up. So essentially if you make the wrong choice there and just kind of you spare him but you don't find any resolution.

[01:12:19] Non-acoustes but she's like hospital, like she's stuck in the hospital for a long term. Any disappears forever. The fog still covered in the town still covered in fog, and the game then also just ends right there. Okay. So it's like our...

[01:12:40] It's another bad ending only non-acoustes and die this time. It's essentially a slightly less bad ending. Yeah. So like the whole thing with Teddy, like the big reveal of like he's actually a shadow that gained sentient sort of whatever.

[01:12:55] Where was he going? Like in that case, like is he just going back into the TV or is he seasoned to exist like Murray was trying to do? I think it's a little of both. I think...

[01:13:07] It probably makes more sense that he was just going to go disappear once you play Murray's... Yeah. Murray's like backstory. But he essentially was just kind of... he went back into the TV world and just kind of gone lost. Okay.

[01:13:25] Yeah, because at some point you kind of find out that Namotami and Adachi were kind of like semi-possessed by like these big mega shadows. And they were also like two parts of like one hole and the third part is actually Murray. Yes.

[01:13:48] And then also Adachi and Namotami are also significant in they all... all three of them gain the ability to enter the TV from... From the same person that you gain your ability into the TV and... Yeah.

[01:14:09] Which you only find out about if you do that final day correctly. Yes. So probably the easiest thing to miss in this entire game. On the final day of the game you get a... Yeah, essentially you're packing up and getting ready to go home.

[01:14:29] And you get the option to go explore around town and say goodbye to like all of the people you've met along the way. Say bye to all the party members. Have one last little moment with Dogey Mignonico.

[01:14:42] And after you do that you're basically you head back to Dogey Mignonico's house and you get the option on the screen that basically says Go home or continue exploring.

[01:14:53] And if we hit go home, the game ends there and you get the semi... you get the good ending technically. Where it's a good ending but it doesn't feel it feels unfulfilled. If you continue to explore you eventually find your way to Jeoness.

[01:15:17] And everybody is essentially at Jeoness. And you guys can all reminisce one last time and then everyone kind of realizes... I think Matt froze again. Yeah, I'm standing here and froze again. It's like it can't handle all the noise or something I don't know.

[01:15:54] I also could be like that multiple people because my grandmother's sister is also here and they're trying to work out a bunch of things. You could be multiple people in the Wi-Fi. It's low on a jam. Gotcha.

[01:16:11] But what I was saying before is that you go to Jeoness and everybody's there and you all kind of reminisce about all the stuff that happened and then everyone kind of realizes, wait a minute. Something doesn't fit quite at up and then it kind of hits on everyone.

[01:16:26] There has to be some greater scope to this entire thing. And that's where you kind of find out surprise. The actual villain of the game is the gas station intended that you met at the start of the game. Yeah, right? Like how fucking random is that?

[01:16:42] You never do get that damn job either, that they offer. And I was actually looking out for that the whole time.

[01:16:50] And I thought it was kind of funny because when they first were trying to break everything down and say, okay, ask me somebody like that would be sort of trigger for this the beginning.

[01:17:03] I thought it was going to lead back to the fucking long nose guy for the bubble room because he showed up before anybody was like, hey, this is. Sorry, sorry. Please. There you are. I know that he's like. Kind of a staple in all the persona games.

[01:17:31] Yes, from what I understand. Yes, so I didn't think necessarily he was like the the main drive, but I thought maybe he was like the reason why you was able to enter the TV for the beginning without dealing with the whole shadow part.

[01:17:45] But no, so for that aspect of it, I was really surprised in that end of being the gas station intended.

[01:17:52] So what's fun is this is something that's very easy to miss, but occasionally when you're exploring around in a the gas station attendant will just be standing there and you can chat with them every now and then.

[01:18:04] And if you actually look at their dialogue, it kind of hints that they know more than they're letting on, but you kind of overthinking it first because you're like, oh, this is just some random NPC that doesn't do anything. Yeah, yeah, it was.

[01:18:20] I know, just over all it was it was a very enjoyable game. I had a lot of fun with it. I had some point that will book both eventually do a second play through on new game plus and.

[01:18:33] At some point or another, I will get around to playing five royal and probably three reload as well. There were the. What when did three originally come up. And then there was a six or maybe seven actually, I think.

[01:18:49] It's like, so only a couple years separated between three and four. So there wasn't a lot. So one came out in the 90s and then I believe like two came out in like 2000. Then there was a big gap between two and three.

[01:19:06] Three came on 06 and then four was a couple years later in 2008. And then there's another giant gap between four and then five. Mm-hmm. A lot of that I think had to do with like they were building a new engine because like, re-enforerunought the same engine.

[01:19:23] And then they had to basically build a brand new engine from scratch for five. So. So you want to ask the way the whole persona aspect of what works is going into the TV and persona for how does the persona work. And other games.

[01:19:39] So there's still like going into the TV or they're like a totally different thing. So the TV only exists in the four universe. Well, they're all in the same universe. I think just in four. The TV world is where things are going crazy. In three it is a.

[01:19:59] An extra hour at the end of every day called the mid like the the midnight hour, I think. Where there's just a one hour where the world goes wacky and like their shadows everywhere. Okay. In five, it's a phone app. All right. That's interesting.

[01:20:20] Yeah, it's it's basically the same thing just a different source point on how you they get there. Same result of different medium kind of thing. Yeah, it's. Five is pretty interesting how they handle it.

[01:20:35] Three three I have issues with just because three is a bit more restrictive at times. I got you well at some point I mean, they did just release a remake for three. I believe that remake fixes all of my problems with the original so.

[01:20:55] So I'll probably end up picking that up for a PS5 at some point in the future probably won't be any time soon. I mean, part of the reason I was able to get through persona four as quickly as I did is because it's playable hand out.

[01:21:09] Yeah, so technically you can play five royal on the switch. So that is an option. That probably how many get that one three is going to be a little more.

[01:21:22] Difficult or not difficult but it's going to take longer to get through that one either one way or the other because you know, locked on a console.

[01:21:31] Having a game on hand help makes all the difference for me with the limited amount of time that I have to play video games having the versatility of a handheld.

[01:21:40] I would be able to get through those games a lot quicker than that a game where I block that console. We'll get that it down. Yeah.

[01:21:50] Just because I don't have as many opportunities to sit down and take over the TV and deliver them and do that, you know. Yeah, that's understandable.

[01:22:01] But yeah, overall I think this is probably one of the best games I played this year which is saying something because I really enjoyed chronojigger.

[01:22:11] I have been going back like I said, I'm probably going to hold off and start again new game until I beat some of the games that I already have started.

[01:22:21] I've been here for a few levels left of you Haka Show tactics, but I started way back when we did the Haka Show episode.

[01:22:31] I don't have a few levels left of that so I'll probably finish that off maybe tonight we'll see what happens whenever we stop doing stuff. I've got to finish up which I think was also pretty close on Shibu-Dokai, like I see Goku too.

[01:22:48] I have a few other games that I either got most of the way through or just barely started. I've got to finish fractured bottle too. Yeah. Let me.

[01:23:01] So I mean, I have plenty of stuff to keep me busy now but most of it I don't have too much time left on so I'll be all the bang out of bunch from in quick succession. Yeah. Not it's definitely worth it.

[01:23:17] Yeah, after that I probably just going to do like a... I definitely won't play something new but I'll probably try to go for a shorter game maybe I'll play a...

[01:23:27] Let's think about playing Battle for Behaviour because it's all the estimated play time is like 15 hours or so it's pretty short. Yeah it's not a huge game. I thought that would be like a fun little like in between game, between big, long RPGs you know.

[01:23:43] Yeah, that's a good one too for kids. That's a very easy to get into old school. It's kind of game. Hmm. Um, yeah. So are we going to try to do your name next or... We could do that, yeah. Yeah, well we all made that work. Yeah, yeah.

[01:24:07] I'm kind of in an anime kind of binge mode right now so I've been kind of catching up on a bunch of shows. So I might have might rewatch your name at some point this week before we record it.

[01:24:18] Not sure when we'll record it because we have a good amount of time to do stuff next week. Yeah, because you mentioned... You know, as I said you mentioned in the last 3D episode that you were trying to... Try to build up your...

[01:24:31] Your anime's washed for the year because you don't want to be... You don't want to pull a me and have to lease it on a show. Like, like last year. Yeah, I mean my list wasn't that great last year either. I'm not gonna lie.

[01:24:44] It was more than I had. And I watched a lot of anime for me last year. I watched like 20 shows in a handful of movies last year which was big for me. Um... I was gonna say it's...

[01:25:00] It's show it enough because I'd love it if you had Bach and I won your list when we get through the year rack up. Year wrap up. I'll try. I got a few I got to do for commitments first.

[01:25:10] I just finished some 100s so you'll be hearing about that in a couple weeks on a GNC or maybe a certain series is coming back. Um... But yeah, I've got a few on my bucket list. I want to get through.

[01:25:24] I want to knock out a bunch of 12 or so I might actually try to... I might try to knock back and know how pretty soon. Yeah, but you know if... If it slates on the next year wrap up.

[01:25:34] He's gonna give you shit if you haven't watched a second, I'm dying yet. Oh, I'm already expecting it. So... I'm not making any promises on that. I'm just gonna say now because the way these are... I'm gonna say... I'm just saying like with...

[01:25:48] It's just like full metal where once you get in it like you're gonna want to like sit and make times. I like sit and make time for it. So... Yeah, see, full metal was a different... Different timing though. Now it's like it's harder to sit down and watch.

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