Geek Addicts - Episode 21: Talking About The Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Series!!

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[00:00:30] Welcome to Geek Addicts, the pop culture podcast.

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[00:00:51] I am Matt and with me, Michael Hose, the man who my call friend, Bill Barber

[00:00:58] I am doing Matt, I am exhausted. I am exhausted today.

[00:01:05] I hit the end of this week and I literally just like my body just gave up and it was like no, you're done for a week.

[00:01:13] Yeah, I feel yeah. And you still got work again tomorrow morning don't ya?

[00:01:18] Well, work is a general term. I might be doing the same tomorrow.

[00:01:27] It's still kind of up in the air but we'll see what happens. It's not mandatory at least so if I design out you it's no big deal.

[00:01:36] Our technically is it mandatory they they ended our mandate like early because I went out of my way to like run almost run a set of work because I was trying to make a point but yeah.

[00:01:50] Yeah, so it's not really mandatory but I'd like the money because there's a somewhat long weekend apparently I just learned not for everybody coming up next weekend so.

[00:02:01] Yeah, I'm in the not everybody camp of that.

[00:02:06] Yeah, I thought good Friday used to be one of those holidays that everyone got but I found out recently it's really not a lot of people have to work work with work regardless so.

[00:02:16] Yeah, well, I mean, I guess it mostly depends on the job my work. It gives some holidays. It's weird though the ones that it chooses because you think good Friday would be one of the ones but no we get like freaking president's day off like what?

[00:02:29] I think it's a weird one. I've never understood that the weird one that we get that not a lot of people get his Columbus day.

[00:02:39] Yeah, that's an awful.

[00:02:41] It's just a day off to me. It's like I didn't even know what I'm celebrating anymore.

[00:02:46] Yeah, but yeah so I managed to pick up the most recent spy family earlier the week the magha so I.

[00:02:58] I'm still up to date on that now. I'm only like halfway through reading them just kind of been picking them up here and there.

[00:03:05] I have volume 11 sitting.

[00:03:08] I just have to pick it up and read it. I just haven't had really.

[00:03:12] I've been too tired this week to really do it. Yeah, I'm with you. I mean I haven't gotten much further on Chrono trigger either.

[00:03:19] I've only gone I've only played a little bit more. I was originally planning on playing some shibutokai since that was really the only.

[00:03:29] Boudokai game I have well I mean, technically I have all the original trilogy and stuff of them but my PS2 should be dead and.

[00:03:42] I do technically have the second one on game queue but I have to pull it out hook it up and with a two year old it's kind of hard to make all that work with courted what.

[00:03:53] Quoted controllers and you know it's just way too much more hassle than it was worth and honestly I didn't have much time to do it anyway so yeah.

[00:04:03] This week was really weird like not a whole lot like got really done productive wise outside of work.

[00:04:11] It was kind of bad than when the most exciting part of my week was going to Costco yesterday.

[00:04:16] Yeah, I almost got run I got almost run over by a mom chasing your kid.

[00:04:22] I was getting. Yeah with the shopping carriage I was like I was looking at like I was getting paper towels and like the next thing I know a kid runs by and then the mom flies by chasing after the carriage and I'm just like oh this is how I die in a costume.

[00:04:37] Cheers yeah that places a madhouse anytime I go there so you know how um yeah how people always say things like.

[00:04:49] Oh like watch this it'll ruin your childhood but a little bit yeah well I want to talk to today that I did a pretty damn good job of it.

[00:04:59] I don't know if you've heard of that new docu series.

[00:05:03] Quite how's that.

[00:05:06] Oh the.

[00:05:08] I know he was a thought I know I've known he was a freak for years so it didn't really ruin my childhood that much well yeah they talk about about Schneider a lot but that's like like yeah that that's bad and it was it was unpleasant for everybody involved but there was it was a lot worse things in there.

[00:05:25] I saw the dance netter interview where he was so fake the entire fucking time and they gave him the most softball questions I was like this is so staged like it is not even funny.

[00:05:38] Oh freaking anytime he's speaking publicly it's definitely did you see his face cry that he didn't want to play interviews.

[00:05:49] No I did because it wasn't really at least in the docu series that he wasn't really interviewed personally much with more people talking about him but there was also like some of the other stuff that was going on with Nickelodeon had a one of them in particular that came to light that was.

[00:06:09] And it's certainly shocking because when you look at the that the turret of his life like throughout the whole scope of it it makes a lot of sense but a drape bell went through some shit yeah he did.

[00:06:24] I honestly they all kind of did there's a reason why out of all of the lot all of those Nickelodeon live action shows have not age well at all no kind the only one that has and this is because it was the only one that wasn't made by a dance night or was a headstie class but.

[00:06:41] Yeah i mean it's been a while since I watched rake and Josh but at least I feel like that one wasn't super foot heavy itself.

[00:06:51] If you rewatch it you'll you'll notice a few things let's just say.

[00:06:56] Yeah neds declass was made by Scott fellows and Scott fellows from what i've heard is a very normal guy yeah.

[00:07:05] So yeah aside from that i was very disappointed this week because until you posted that thing at discord I thought we were getting the English joke for sandland this week.

[00:07:15] No I saw that pop up today as well and i was like oh.

[00:07:19] That sucks yeah so I read the manga at the beginning of the week expecting to be watching the series a couple days later but.

[00:07:29] I mean I still could it's not like i'm like ganched watching the subs but like if I really have to wait three weeks it's not that big a teal I just wait for them.

[00:07:38] I stopped by a bars of noble today and they have a giant like display of a for koryama.

[00:07:45] And it was legitimately like just like all the dragon ball see like all of the bizz Biggs like which is on the desk and it was like it was like.

[00:07:53] In loving memory of like and it was like they were it was it was clear with them trying to get sales off of his death which I was like that's lovely.

[00:08:01] Well I mean they probably saw how fast their stock of toy on the stuff went so I really.

[00:08:05] I am reading it more.

[00:08:07] That was it's funny that Barnes and Noble is one of the few that I've actually been to that actually had go g dragon ball singles which you don't see a lot anymore.

[00:08:16] No not really i guess my wife's going to be going to bar the closest Barnes and Noble is to us which is.

[00:08:23] It's a good way honestly it's like a good like 30 minute drive away.

[00:08:28] In a couple days so I'm going to have her keep an eye out like if she can find some of like they want to the toyama art book or something.

[00:08:36] Yeah there they all got pretty much wiped out so.

[00:08:40] Nice I'm going to tell her to keep an eye out for kawa just in case but it's been out of print so I highly doubt it'll they'll have it but yeah.

[00:08:49] It's hit or miss sometimes you'll find like a gem at um a Barnes and a little bit a lot of times it's like it's a lot of the same stuff it's very it's very interesting when they have.

[00:08:59] Something that's kind of obscure but usually it's because it's been there forever no one's about it yeah did you want to hear about the dragon ball theme park that's being made in Saudi Arabia.

[00:09:12] I saw a thing about it pop up but I didn't really look far into it.

[00:09:16] It's pretty interesting i it's an interesting place for it to be built I mean it's a world life phenomenon so really it could have been built anywhere but like my first guess what I mean obviously Japan would be the first guess but like.

[00:09:29] Outside of Japan like I would have guessed like Mexico or something.

[00:09:33] Yeah no the it's the Saudis have the money to do it so probably why.

[00:09:39] Fortunately it's in a part of the world where I'll never visit so yeah.

[00:09:45] Yeah the bummer I mean if I'm going to if I'm going to.

[00:09:48] Save up the money to do like a like a trip to something you know it's something dragon ball related I'm rather go to Japan over Saudi.

[00:09:58] I'm sure there will be more than just that one so yeah.

[00:10:03] Now honestly it's actually kind of sad I was looking at I have a note pad on my phone of like manga release dates just like keep up with everything.

[00:10:14] I was looking through it and I realized the final volume of Kageya summit comes out next month.

[00:10:20] Oh really yeah well it's been done in Japan for a while now but the US the official US volume 28 comes out April 2nd.

[00:10:32] And then that's done kind of sad yeah you know I also sad is that those I mean it was kind of to be expected but the super magas now going on had it is.

[00:10:44] But apparently from what I read that I guess it was already something that was going to happen and it's actually unrelated to Toriyama's passing.

[00:10:52] So I don't know because I one specific thing that I read is the only thing that said this out of all the different things that I saw but.

[00:11:02] Apparently it's the magazine itself that's going on hey it is which I really hope isn't the case because I'm fairly certain it's the same manga that Boruto is being published in.

[00:11:12] So I'm going to be very upset if they're both on hiatus at the same time.

[00:11:16] Especially since Boruto was on hiatus for like five months last year.

[00:11:20] Yeah which is weird because there's been a lot of long runners that have been kind of going through some weird stuff lately.

[00:11:27] Yeah well I mean these last year with Boruto made sense because they were making like the ship it in jump with Boruto so true.

[00:11:34] It made sense to have that hiatus there but.

[00:11:37] I always get afraid whenever a series goes on hiatus like that because like I know like.

[00:11:43] Like obviously hunter hunter we've seen for a while now he's not doing great.

[00:11:49] Apparently let's come back soon now from what I saw.

[00:11:53] I know black Clover they they're like slowing down releases because the the manga because it needs to focus on his health.

[00:12:02] That's one of the few things I guess with odah is like odah has a team of people around him that like gets him to like take a break every now and then.

[00:12:10] Yeah.

[00:12:12] It's.

[00:12:14] Yeah I was really interested with the way that uh well first of all that the way that that last super chapter ended which is so like heartwarming.

[00:12:20] And it just really fit with like the tone of what's going on with everything Dragon Ball related right now.

[00:12:27] I pretty sure I mentioned previously that like Goku is now aware of go on's power up and they had a sparring match and all this stuff and it kind of turned into like this big.

[00:12:39] Like this big like group sparring thing with Goku Vegeta and all of their kids actually except for broth.

[00:12:47] Ambroli actually broley got involved in I guess go on's new power inspired broley and now broley can control himself.

[00:12:55] Interesting it's kind of cool did go did Goku forget he was a dad again and start just beating up the sun or.

[00:13:02] No but he did forget he was a grandfather.

[00:13:06] Okay because they want to go pick up pan from kindergarten he's like pan who's that.

[00:13:12] That's even worse.

[00:13:16] Especially because they showed him as like a loving grandpa earlier too.

[00:13:20] Yeah like in Z like he was like a super good grandfather that is just like no he's the Goku even in the super anime they showed him like actually caring for once like.

[00:13:33] They'll never get Goku's personality right as far as I'm concerned yeah and then um the latest barit so it was really interesting to because they are hinting towards something pretty significant.

[00:13:49] I'm just going to ask before before I say anything um do you know anything about what happened with like Karama towards the end of like the first for a series.

[00:13:59] Well I know he dies because of the weird the weird superpower that Naruto gets yes so it's not confirmed yet but there is a significant hint or.

[00:14:17] Like for shadowing that he might have that now.

[00:14:24] Okay sure why not so I or at least has some sort of lingering nine tails power or something because.

[00:14:35] Alright I want to it would take too long to explain but essentially somebody's hunting down Naruto he's not in this dimension essentially.

[00:14:44] But he was supposedly following Naruto's power and he ended up where he marries so that leaves people to believe certain things so.

[00:14:55] That was a fandom theory for a while to just kind of interesting yeah so we'll see what happens with that I'm excited to see where it goes.

[00:15:04] Like I said hopefully that one's on hey it is too heavy very upset.

[00:15:10] Yeah.

[00:15:13] Like new new series to that are that have been a kind of interesting and spy families the one that's kind of I'm following right now.

[00:15:23] Yeah I haven't caught up to the anime yet in the manga but I just did no I think I'm in the middle of the tennis tournament part.

[00:15:32] Oh okay yeah.

[00:15:35] I get to see your murderer tennis ball yes.

[00:15:39] I just I think I just read the chapter where she's like contemplating whether or not she should kill nightfall yeah.

[00:15:48] I love yours a character.

[00:15:50] She's pretty great.

[00:15:53] She's very well written especially for her.

[00:15:56] Goofy seriousness.

[00:15:59] Yeah that's definitely that I just love the whole day making that show it's just perfect.

[00:16:05] I don't know how he's going to resolve that but I'm interested to see where it goes.

[00:16:10] I'm interested to see how long it goes honestly because if he's already kind of losing interest like I don't know how long he's going to keep it going.

[00:16:16] Yeah it's it's mega popular to the point where he's kind of stuck with it now so.

[00:16:23] Better get used to it but yeah.

[00:16:28] You can't just pull a Akasaka Akasaka and just end it because you feel like doing something else.

[00:16:34] Yeah right.

[00:16:37] Well but yeah so we've killed 16 minutes I guess we should probably jump into our topic for this one.

[00:16:46] So we're for this episode we're talking about Dragon Ball Z Budakai.

[00:16:51] Yes well the Budakai kind of franchise as a series.

[00:16:56] The OG good Dragon Ball games as people say.

[00:17:01] Yeah the classic 2d fighters style.

[00:17:06] Yeah it's very interesting to because the new one is coming out pretty soon not not Budakai it's part of the 10k AG series the shining spark whatever.

[00:17:16] I forget.

[00:17:19] Yeah it's got some dumb name like.

[00:17:24] Spark sparking zero that's actually coming out pretty soon which I'm happy for all the Budakai 10k AG fans so yeah I gotta say in your your previous G and C well I guess this.

[00:17:41] Your latest collecting episode I should say.

[00:17:45] I'm sure if I took the time to sit down and get you get used to it I'd like it but trying to play it off off the spot.

[00:17:57] Holy fuck.

[00:17:59] I just saying it's no more complicated than Z universe and that game is going strong eight years later so true.

[00:18:05] Very true but uh.

[00:18:08] Yeah I the original is a much simpler game.

[00:18:13] Almost almost too simple in a lot of ways unless you don't like doing combos like.

[00:18:20] Like how to activate your supers I should say or just spamming beam key blasts yeah that's true.

[00:18:29] So in hindsight I think it's safe to say the main reason people play Budakai one is for its wonderful story mode.

[00:18:37] I think it's a lot of fun to play with Budakai scenes and stuff everyone went nuts over the cut scenes we're kids.

[00:18:44] Yeah now it is they look Jake is shit but they're still very endearing in a in a.

[00:18:50] Interesting way I'm just they're endearing in that this is awful but I love it kind of way.

[00:18:57] See I love watching it now or playing it now and seeing the cut scenes and looking at like the J.

[00:19:03] The mouthplaps and the fact that um.

[00:19:07] You'll notice this once you get told this you'll never be able to unsee it every character has the same model.

[00:19:15] That's why that's why Vegeta is white as fuck for no reason in this game makes make so little sense.

[00:19:24] Yeah because you got like characters like that by a bird or just fucking huge and then you got like Krillin or kid go on a tiny but they're all like wide really wide for some reason.

[00:19:36] That's why everybody chose freaking like that's why everyone like playing his Krillin back of the day though because like everybody else was so tall and he's so short that like half of the punches would just go right over his head.

[00:19:48] Yeah this one was interesting too because it only covers up to the end of sell.

[00:19:56] So it's actually a very condensed and not over bloated story for Dragon Ball standards yeah it kind of skips around us and stuff too yeah it's like an abridged version of abridged if that makes sense yeah.

[00:20:12] One thing I find interesting about the original two is this is the only one that didn't use cell shading.

[00:20:18] And I honestly thought it looked really nice for the time at least especially if you're if you're playing on like an old tube TV.

[00:20:25] Like it like the models actually look pretty nice.

[00:20:29] They do look good the cell shading I will say looks much better in the later games but I think the original looks pretty good.

[00:20:37] The GameCube version of a Buddha guy one I also have that I didn't grab it because it doesn't really matter for this but they actually like kind of pseudo-cells shaded the graphics and that's so it looks slightly nicer in the GameCube version.

[00:20:55] And the other thing I really like about this game, particularly the story is the the Funimation dubbing it is a very interesting time capsule in like Funimations VVZ history because this is like that weird period in between Z was over but it was before Kai.

[00:21:19] You have like the Funimation actors right when they hit their stride but it's still like the classic like actors like I think Tiffany Valmer still ball.

[00:21:30] Oh yeah.

[00:21:32] Freza Linda Young is still freeza which is very noticeable.

[00:21:37] It's definitely a doll and they still go on.

[00:21:40] Yeah pretty much all the original voice cast is in this and it's right when they hit their peak like right when they kind of like really figured out all these voices like there is some great work in this game.

[00:21:54] And it really makes it stand out as kind of just this weird time capsule and Dragon Ball history.

[00:21:59] My favorite things about this game though is the silly ass things like like one liners and noises that a lot of the characters will make as you're playing it.

[00:22:09] I swear to God anybody who played this game or really any of them because they reused a lot of them for the later games.

[00:22:16] That there is embedded in their memory.

[00:22:19] Just who played it like when you sidestep with that but he was born it be born it be born it be born it be.

[00:22:27] Fucking anything cell says in this in this game is like what the fuck.

[00:22:32] Oh happy because it's always it's always the imperfect cell voice yeah because they fuck that up.

[00:22:39] Well I think I think there actually is a reason for that I think they only had one.

[00:22:45] One voice track for sell so they actually couldn't record they had to pretty much settle on one specific voice for sell overall.

[00:22:55] Yeah I guess they just went with that one because it was easier.

[00:23:02] This game also uses uses rock the dragon still yes I love that I still love rock the dragon.

[00:23:10] I don't care anybody says I mean yeah child I had to child I had to live great.

[00:23:16] You know I'll never bash that but there's just something about rock the dragon just brings you back.

[00:23:21] There's just to me there's something about rock the dragon combined with the Yankee asks 3d recreation of the dragon Valz intro that like makes me just like a door this is like game for some reason.

[00:23:33] It's great yeah they literally completely redid the opening sequence from the anime but with the models just it does not look good in that in the endearing heartwarming like this is garbage but I love it kind of way.

[00:23:50] Yeah especially the scene of Gohan running away from the dinosaur and then Bulma coming in on her motorcycle like oh my god that looks terrible but I love it for sure.

[00:24:05] Also rock the dragon is just so 90s as fuck I love it of course you know it's got to have that 90s rock in there.

[00:24:14] Notice we're not talking about the combat much for the first game that's because there's not much to say it's incredibly bland combat.

[00:24:22] Yeah I mean it's your basic you know you get a bunch button you kick button your energy blast button in your guard button and that's pretty much the the long and short of it.

[00:24:32] Add flying into the equation in the game becomes fucking a mess that's all I'll say.

[00:24:38] We'll say that the way that the supers work you had to type in combos for each one in the later iterations of the games.

[00:24:48] You know there were shortcuts to activating them which you know added a little bit of spice to the matches but in this original first game you had to do the full combo every time.

[00:25:01] Yeah and I will say like the comparing this to its immediate predecessor in terms of 3d fighters for Dragon Ball which was final about.

[00:25:11] This is day or night this game it this game this game feels like a modern teching compared to that piece of shit.

[00:25:18] And I love the secret character for this game was the great say man yeah that was fun.

[00:25:24] Even though he wasn't technically by storyline in this game he wasn't a thing yet even though we knew about him by this point but.

[00:25:33] Yeah well I think I think yeah he was like the actual official like secret secret character and then I guess like the secondary secret character was just saying it's like I think.

[00:25:44] When you unlock him is when you get like that the the hercule story mode thing.

[00:25:51] Was this the first game that gave him a jetpack during combat or was that a later one?

[00:25:56] I believe it was this one okay because I know in a in Dragon Ball the ultimate battle 22 another awful PlayStation fighter he didn't even he was an unlockable character in that game as well and he didn't even have a jetpack so like legitimately.

[00:26:13] If you play to him and the other player was a saying you can just fly in the air and he could not hit you that's super funny and you can just throw key at him the whole time and it would just be like this is sad awesome.

[00:26:26] Another thing I like about this game was there was a little what if story at the end of each of the story arcs.

[00:26:35] Oh yeah Krillin the Krillin cell hybrid that's amazing.

[00:26:38] Yes when set when cell absorbs Krillin and turns into an orange cell junior with no nose.

[00:26:45] And gets his ass kicked by Yamcha and TN.

[00:26:48] What a way to go yeah the reason one wasn't really much you go I think I think that one was just oh freezer got his wish and he left and now he's going to go blow first like it was like that's kind of boring.

[00:27:01] I favor it this isn't a book of what if but because of how janky the graphics are at times one of my favorite scenes is when Vegeta kills Nappa in legit looks like he just shot him with his dick cannon.

[00:27:14] Yeah it's like Jesus Christ the way they animated it looks awful yeah.

[00:27:21] Yeah there's definitely a lot to cut it out of the way the remaster that we got wasn't great either honestly.

[00:27:28] Oh the HD collection version which is like it looks prettier and they replace the music because Yamamoto reasons or something like that.

[00:27:39] Yeah yeah I was Yamamoto but what I want to say bombed about that I love the original Budakai trilogy music it's so good.

[00:27:49] I think believe these are cheapest fuck so yeah I need to get a.

[00:27:55] Anything to get around to getting out of the PS2 or picking up that one for the first one for game cube and I had the second one for game cube which is my favorite in the three personally so.

[00:28:08] We didn't mention it to but there's also the little mini games that you could play during the story mode yeah like holding holding red it's in front of the special beam cannon.

[00:28:22] That was a god I hated that when I was a kid it just looks so.

[00:28:27] It was so annoying because he'd always you know he's do it too far or not enough and he pulled you away or you'd accidentally launch yourself all the way.

[00:28:35] I remember like when I was a kid I spent like half an hour trying to get that one right as with the worst it's the worst also the this game has kind of like a prize like system that like when you finish like a battle like you'll get like a capsule of reward.

[00:28:53] This game is great at ruining the mood of scenes with that.

[00:28:58] Like when you finish a.

[00:29:01] I cut scene it's when it gives like their rewards but like it usually will end the cut scene prematurely and it give you a reward thing so like my favorite is like.

[00:29:12] The scene right after a self-choose trunks like straight through the chest gets get the clip of trunks falling to the ground and then just like you got a capsule and it's like.

[00:29:22] Yeah, yeah, it's actually the goofy ass music that goes with it yeah as as trunks is falling to the ground slow motion.

[00:29:30] Yeah and that the capsule the whole like a capsule system in this game they made it a lot easier in the later ones but like buying new capsules and stuff in this game was such a pain the ass because first of all the only way you get money is by doing the tournament.

[00:29:46] Wait, you know that do you know the trick to beating every tournament.

[00:29:51] What's that just throw them out of the ring.

[00:29:54] Well, I mean just bring out just real.

[00:29:57] I mean I guess in the in the first two it would probably be a little easier to do that because the whole teleporting behind wasn't the thing until later but yeah.

[00:30:06] Oh and in the first game in particular it's it's the easiest way to just grab them and throw them out of the ring just like you wouldn't.

[00:30:13] But yeah, you can only get money for the tournaments and then you don't know what you're buying when you go to the store it's completely randomized so you no idea what you're getting or who you're getting in for whether it's going to be an attack or just like an equippable like stat boost item or a transformation you have no idea so that was incredibly annoying.

[00:30:37] Yeah, I think overall like this game has not aged well as a game itself but as a little piece of history and the story mode.

[00:30:50] I think it's worth going back to for that alone.

[00:30:53] Yeah, I'm just one of those games that I tend to go back to once every few years it's been a while now.

[00:31:01] I mean if I pulled up my 360 I could play the remaster version but I honestly much rather play the original.

[00:31:13] It's not a bad game but it's also like it's very clearly like the first in a series and it has not aged particularly well especially with modern advancements yeah because moving on we get.

[00:31:28] Boot a guy to yes my personal favorite out of the free I love this cover because it's like very specifically like look we're covering boo this time yeah this is like hey look Vegeta go tanks and boo like.

[00:31:43] And they get very obvious go do in the spirit bomb in the background because they had a space I guess yeah yeah well I was a lot of people's biggest gripes with the first game at the time at least was that it didn't cover boo.

[00:31:57] So they probably really wanted to showcase the fact that they were doing it but it didn't a very interesting way with the story mode in general.

[00:32:07] The board game yeah the board game is the most hilarious thing ever it is and honestly like it's a fun spin on it because if you're going to do bad to boo you should I mean it wasn't over done at this point so I guess it wasn't that big a deal.

[00:32:23] This was the beginning of it being over done we're like every game was like we're going to tell DVZ again but this time it's going to be a board game yeah but like I mean there was a lot of like goofy little like not what ifs necessarily but like kind of twists on it where.

[00:32:42] Like they tell the story but there's no like cut scenes or anything it's literally just.

[00:32:47] You're on the board game that the characters the characters jump up on screen and then they just taught you and then they jump off like little like suction cup game pieces that just kind of pop around the map.

[00:33:00] Yeah it was it was an interesting way to handle it not honestly I found it extremely fun personally.

[00:33:06] The music in this game is the fuckiest shit ever oh yeah it's the best and the opening song for like that opening cut scene.

[00:33:16] The one that sounds straight up like tower of power I think I don't remember the name of it but I know what's the Jonathan Young on YouTube does an English cover of it and it's it's fucking fire.

[00:33:29] Let me look up here the soundtrack who composed this game.

[00:33:33] I'm pretty sure it was young about it but the what's his name the guy who's saying child ahead shall I sang the opening song in the Japanese version so it was like an actual song with lyrics but they took the lyrics out for our version which is a shame.

[00:33:50] Yeah unfortunately they got it was still during the time period where people putting these out were like.

[00:33:58] Oh Japanese words bad take them out every every tail series game had that stuff like ripped out sucked.

[00:34:10] Oh man yeah the music in these games in this game in particular was funky as shit.

[00:34:19] Oh yeah I loved it too like this is one of those games on tracks that I will just put on because I just I love everything about it it's amazing.

[00:34:28] Oh tower of power was involved with the soundtrack that's why I thought that in the guitarist of Toto really how random but it makes all you know what you know what I think that's why this one didn't get re-released license right there.

[00:34:46] You know I do remember licensing being a reason I just didn't know the specifics of it that makes a lot more sense now because this game has so much jazz funk like.

[00:34:56] Like you're just expecting to hear like what is hip by tower power the whole time.

[00:35:01] Yeah it's I mean I love it but my god it's such an interesting thing yeah it's really fun though it's.

[00:35:10] And they they polished up a lot of mechanics from the first game.

[00:35:15] The fighting is significantly better.

[00:35:19] Yeah it made it a lot smoother you still have the combos for your attacks but for like at least like the basic supers you have like shortcuts so you could just do like a single button push to activate them but then like the more powerful like finishing moves you had to actually do the combos for.

[00:35:36] And then there was there was a lot of like goofy little not not like what of story lines but what if fusions and food absorptions and stuff.

[00:35:48] Because you could do TN and TN and Yamcha to the fusion dance and create TN.

[00:35:54] I love shit like that because it was either like the coolest thing ever just fucking nightmare fuel like that fucking Yamcha.

[00:36:02] Chow two fusion we saw in that yeah.

[00:36:08] Oh and I'll be goofy fusions to a great like he could he could absorb freeze that or sell or Vegeta or you know obviously the cannon ones like go tanks and go on.

[00:36:23] I think there was one where you would absorb TN and Yamcha at the same time what a combination there yeah.

[00:36:31] He would even do it like in the story mode to because for some reason in this in the board game story modes whenever a villain would be like a main villain would be defeated.

[00:36:39] For some reason it would be revived and like the following board game so like you're in the hyperbolic science and fighting boo and for some reason freeze and seller there so if booze little like game piece token landed on one that freeze or sell were on he would absorb them and he would like game features from them it was pretty cool.

[00:37:01] It was definitely interesting it is still like the most bizarre single player I think in a Dragon Ball fighter.

[00:37:09] I definitely think they did it better than fighters personally while fighters single players just boring yeah I see fighters they should have just done away with the game forward aspect of it and just made it like mortal combat.

[00:37:22] Yeah just like a linear story yeah it's just a storyline with cut scenes and this fight in the middle of the cut scenes like you're telling the story that was you will fight and then you continue the story right after like that would have been way better.

[00:37:35] Yeah they were like afraid to not have the game padded out so they like just like added it out so unnecessarily less than thing is what when when you make a really competent fighting game with a big online scene.

[00:37:51] Nobody plays the story mode yeah most Dragon Ball fans played it once or and the others just looked up the cut scenes on YouTube yeah exactly which I don't know you think people making who were used not only making a fighting game but used to making fighting games would know that but.

[00:38:09] What are you well arc has always been known for their fucking stories being annoying is fucking complete so.

[00:38:17] Now this is the only one of their games that I actually played all the way here so if you played persona for you know oof the original and getting everything in that story was fucking annoying.

[00:38:29] I can imagine but yeah the board game on the other hand other than being just weird is pretty simple street forward yeah there's a lot of like fun character interactions throughout.

[00:38:41] And the cool thing was you can kind of like pick your team as you're going through yeah because you almost always have Goku on the board because he's just always going to be there for some reason to deal the one who is just himself and out of game piece.

[00:38:54] Cuz go because Goku yeah but you know you whatever you go to a new like board I guess you would get the option to pick like one or two characters to be on your team and you give you a list of like ten or so to choose from which is really weird because if you choose go on the same soggy as it's all go on.

[00:39:17] So that was kind of weird.

[00:39:20] Yeah.

[00:39:25] Yeah aside from that I mean there's not really a whole lot else to say.

[00:39:30] I forget which I think there was also a side like not really a story mode but it was kind of like a side game mode called Bobbie's spaceship which is basically just like a big fighting arena where you just fight a bunch of guys and

[00:39:49] I think you get.

[00:39:51] You get a lot of like the capsules and stuff that way.

[00:39:55] That's why I learned a lot of the moves.

[00:39:57] Yeah I think you get like um.

[00:40:01] I think you get a lot of stuff for like the villain character is like DeBora and Boo and stuff from doing that.

[00:40:09] I may even get a couple of characters that way and that 100% sure.

[00:40:12] Was this still pre-kai I don't remember yeah.

[00:40:16] Okay so it was still using classic fundamental voices.

[00:40:20] I don't think I think um ultimate ten kai chi was when when they were starting to phase out some of the original actors and add in the new ones because that was the weird one where like when you're playing the story like freezer would switch like mid cut mid cut scene between Chris ares and Lenny young.

[00:40:44] You're not even close like literally like in the same cut scene he'll say a line in Linda Young's voice and then somebody who says something to him and then he'll answer in Chris ares voice.

[00:40:57] See as far as far at least like nowadays like Chris ares and Damon Mills sound very similar.

[00:41:05] But that's like not even close like going back.

[00:41:10] That's going forward is pretty much just going to be Damon Mills.

[00:41:13] Yeah true um that's sad.

[00:41:18] But I mean even like like ball ma like unless you're really paying attention you really won't notice as much of it between Tiffany Volmer and Monica real.

[00:41:27] Yeah.

[00:41:29] Yeah Linda Young and Chris ares though that's like that's like not even close.

[00:41:34] Yeah that's like not even close.

[00:41:43] It's like a nine day.

[00:41:46] Anything else really about two two is a weird one because it's like.

[00:41:52] It's very significantly improved but it's really not that remarkable.

[00:41:58] I mean.

[00:41:59] I mean like game mechanic reasons why this one is my favorite on top of like the silly shit.

[00:42:05] Like the fusions and these options stuff like go cool go cool is actually an extremely powerful character in this game.

[00:42:11] Yeah and it's just goofy as fuck to have for again a few to go who character with an after when I must ask it's just.

[00:42:19] It is like this weird trick theme thing.

[00:42:22] Yeah.

[00:42:23] Yeah.

[00:42:24] Yeah I mean aside from that there's really not a whole lot to say because I mean aside from all that it's pretty much the same deal you know you got your story mode you get capsules through it capsules of Dragon Balls from it.

[00:42:40] None of that hilarious yank like the first one though because the story isn't.

[00:42:46] The story is are honestly more professionally done this time around but at the same time it's a board game so it's not nearly as exciting.

[00:42:53] Also I think this is the game where you can cheese the capsule system.

[00:42:57] Yeah because I think this is the one I believe Balmo was the I don't know was it I think it was launch.

[00:43:05] Either Balmara launch was the one who would like host at the shop in this game and there was a glitch where if you just enter and leave the shop over and over again.

[00:43:14] You're like percentage of capsules collected will go up over like the more and more you do it by the end of it you'll just have all of them.

[00:43:27] Interesting so literally if you just go into this shop and leave over and over and over again you'll have everything.

[00:43:35] That's a that's one of those glitches that's like how did they miss that yeah right.

[00:43:40] So like a lot of times whenever I play that game I would just end up doing that because it's just a lot easier than.

[00:43:47] I mean I wouldn't always do it sometimes I would play the game the way it was meant to be played but you know you can all you determine so many times you don't make.

[00:43:55] Story mode you can only throw the guy out of the ring so many times exactly so I'm pretty sure this game you could still do that yeah I think the following game when a when that teleporting thing came into play.

[00:44:07] Yeah speaking of the following game.

[00:44:10] What a guy three I'm not going to lie this cover is incredibly boring compared to the other two.

[00:44:16] Yeah I think I think there is an alternate cover for it but I believe that's the one I have to.

[00:44:23] This was definitely the North American cover that I know of.

[00:44:27] Yeah this is this is the one that post people remember oddly like this the one that most people consider to be the best out of the three.

[00:44:36] It's mostly for the fighting mechanics from what I've seen see that's exactly where I have I have issue with it personally and I'm not saying it's a bad game because I played this shit out of booted high three I don't think it's a bad game but I fucking hate that stupid like ultimate mode dragon rush shit.

[00:44:56] That they implemented which basically turns a competent fighter into a game of rock paper scissors.

[00:45:02] Yes it's just so fucking frustrating especially when you're playing this story mode because the computers.

[00:45:08] Spam that spam it over and over and they never miss like it's just it's so irritating I hate the rocket versus it aspect of it.

[00:45:18] I love the back of the box though like the greatest warriors a tournament of champions only one will prove it.

[00:45:28] Yeah which is funny because there's no tournament to all decide what's this I mean yeah there's like the tournament mode but I don't know why you would like.

[00:45:37] Advertise it as like oh the big tournament one will prevail like when we talk about it's just the story that's such a jump to because the first game.

[00:45:47] The tagline was really a showdown of legendary proportions and then the second game was really drop in power up throw down.

[00:45:57] This one though only one will prevail.

[00:46:00] But one thing I will say that this game definitely has going for it is a story mode.

[00:46:07] So this is the game that had the flying around right yeah.

[00:46:11] That I remember just like doing that for hours just flying around aimlessly.

[00:46:16] Oh yeah and it was so cool because like like this was I don't I don't remember if this game came up before or after legacy go kuchu.

[00:46:25] Do you know if the top of your head when this game came out I can do a quick search or I can figure that out.

[00:46:34] I know it's one of the other I want to say I think legacy go to might have been first but this is one of the first things that introduced the full dragon world map at least to US audience or Western audience in general.

[00:46:52] And like we had never actually seen what it looked like before and it's really interesting because it's like this like panji a type like single land mass map with like a few islands here and there and stuff but like for the most part.

[00:47:10] It's literally like if panji it was still a thing that's essentially what the dragon world is so legacy a go kuchu to release to one year before this.

[00:47:19] Okay. Did you know this came out in America before came on Japan did it really yeah came on oh for an America Japan didn't get it till oh five.

[00:47:29] Wow that's weird yeah I just noticed that.

[00:47:36] But yeah um there's a lot of fun like character stuff to with this one too because quick because like having the aspect of being able to fly around the map.

[00:47:45] It gave a lot of opportunities to have these kinds of little character moments and to spin the story off in a different directions.

[00:47:53] Oh we didn't even mention the fact that there were different story lines for each character.

[00:47:58] Yes which is also a really interesting part not every character unfortunately I would have liked if there was a few others some reason they gave Broly his own story which is weird.

[00:48:09] And keep in mind this was annoying crappy both Broly not the current one that we have yes.

[00:48:18] Yeah so it was really bizarre and there was a lot of stuff that a lot of stuff in this game that really confused me as a child because growing up when we did.

[00:48:29] But we didn't have any youngens. There was no streaming there was no rush roll there was no nothing so.

[00:48:36] We had to nommy we got one episode a day and they liked to reset it a lot.

[00:48:44] Oh yeah like Raditz without the spaceship Raditz coming in.

[00:48:47] Yes that's what I mean by that is that they'll be going through and we'll be watching along and enjoying the story and excited to see what happened next.

[00:48:56] Then the next day would come and Raditz is spaceship is landing.

[00:49:01] And we get to go through all those episodes again so very few of us actually got to watch the whole series beginning then.

[00:49:08] So a lot of people would experience the story through the video games.

[00:49:14] So with games like this where they like to add different.

[00:49:19] So different creative ways to kind of tell the story in different ways.

[00:49:24] It would be a lot a little confusing for a lot of us like for instance when Broly is introduced in the story mode because you can really access some of these like side paths on like your second or third run through.

[00:49:40] And I believe you encounter Broly Goku story mode but when you encounter him he goes oh this is that Broly guy that Trunks told us about.

[00:49:51] What?

[00:49:52] What was that?

[00:49:54] That was really confusing for me as a child.

[00:49:57] That was in the non cannon movie that never came out right.

[00:50:01] Yeah and that was the other thing is I'm pretty sure at that point the Broly movie had to even come out.

[00:50:05] Broly was just a rumor over here.

[00:50:08] People like had seen pictures of Broly but nobody knew really who he was we didn't have the movie yet.

[00:50:15] And then we got into her like oh that's underwhelming his backstory is terrible.

[00:50:22] Yeah, which actually the opening like cut scene song of Budakai 3 fucked me up when I was a kid because as I said before we didn't have the Broly movie right away.

[00:50:32] So when we see this big like epic animation of all these people fighting and that the end you see Goku Vegeta fuse into go Jita and go Jita fighting Broly.

[00:50:47] I thought that was fucking amazing and I couldn't wait to see the Broly movies to see this happen.

[00:50:54] And then it doesn't as then it didn't happen.

[00:50:57] But at least we had drowning pool and disturbed true, but did we fair we did eventually get that fight.

[00:51:04] And I am happy about that yeah we did actually in hindsight years later and it was a decade later we did finally get that fight with a completely different version of the character.

[00:51:14] But that's besides the point.

[00:51:16] How a completely different version of both characters honestly but yeah, but I'm still happy with it honestly.

[00:51:23] But yeah that was one of those things that I really wanted as a kid because this game made me want it is something I never even thought of until it until it showed it for me.

[00:51:34] Yeah, I know I always wonder if the writers for Dragon Ball ever like look back at the games and you're like that's a good idea I'm going to use that.

[00:51:44] You know honestly I wouldn't be surprised because I feel like the fanmonger is too honestly.

[00:51:50] Because there's a lot of stuff in multiverse and AF and stuff that you definitely see elements of and super nowadays yeah.

[00:52:02] But you know what's funny though like I remember playing around and just messing around with the free flying for so long.

[00:52:09] And I was just like I wish we could get an entire game where you could just free fly around the Dragon Ball world.

[00:52:14] And then now we have it it's called Gakara.

[00:52:17] Yeah, but I mean yeah you can kind of fly around but like you can't really fly around the whole map like you got to like go to different sections and stuff that's like true, but it's it's.

[00:52:28] I really like it's just a true open world Dragon Ball game.

[00:52:35] But yeah, I like the way Kakara did it though I think it was just big enough that it was like fun.

[00:52:41] Yeah well I'm not I'm not shooting on Kakara right I just.

[00:52:45] It could have been so much more.

[00:52:47] See I want it as a kid I like the flying in Utica 3 and I was like I want a game that's like just like that but with an actual game attached to it.

[00:52:55] Yeah, and then we got that and it was awesome.

[00:52:58] Yeah the flying around was cool and I like that it was a lot easier to get the Dragon Balls in this particular story mode than the previous names.

[00:53:08] Yeah, I forgot about that entirely because if you fly around enough and just encounter because when you're flying around event occasionally.

[00:53:17] You'll fly over a spot where the little question mark will appear in the corner of the screen and you can jump down to that and I have our character direction or you'll find an item or money or capsule or whatever.

[00:53:30] But you can find the Dragon radar like that.

[00:53:34] And with that you can fly around until you see an orange dot on the radar what they don't tell you is that you can only get like maybe two or three and then you won't be able to get another one until the next arc.

[00:53:50] So yeah that was a little annoying but that was how you got the breakthroughs for each character which which is basically just a fancy way of saying that you get pretty much every transformation and skill for our character.

[00:54:04] And it cooks them all once so yes, the ultimate as they say yes exactly.

[00:54:15] All together, I mean this game did a lot it was very pretty music was good 40 characters.

[00:54:23] Yeah which they added a lot of characters that we didn't have previously like which Broly Bardock was Genemba in this game.

[00:54:33] I think so.

[00:54:35] Yeah it was cool it was cool it was.

[00:54:38] I don't remember if I don't remember if Genemba was or not but um I run at the time I was like I don't think we could get any more characters this is epic and then like we get fucking Buddha guy 10kg3 with like it's like 80 90 something character so it's like holy shit.

[00:54:58] I think it's you three and like 160 yeah something ridiculous like that even even the first one though had a ton of characters.

[00:55:08] You only think about that one though is a used transformation count as a separate character in that particular in the first one.

[00:55:16] The later ones like yeah there were different versions of each character based on the time period but you could actually act into transformations in battle which was cool but we're not talking about those games today.

[00:55:27] No I also give them credit at least like with these games they weren't overly reliant on Goku's to fill out the roster.

[00:55:34] Yeah for sure oh yeah kid Goku was in this game wasn't he.

[00:55:39] Yes I believe so that's right it goes.

[00:55:43] I love it. He makes interesting he makes interesting appearances in some of these fighters yeah I always loved playing his kid Goku.

[00:55:52] It's always one of the best because he always has like the rock paper scissors attack and you know we messed around with the power pole and um usually flies around on the nimbus is quote unquote dragon fist usually it really knows a roof is.

[00:56:08] Yeah I always they always miss name stuff like that boot guy three was definitely the one I would see it parties all the time like the one where like someone would have the PS2 set up and that was like the game.

[00:56:21] Yeah for sure.

[00:56:23] One thing that I did like like one of the little detail about three.

[00:56:28] It might have been a thing in two to I'm not sure but when you have spirit bomb equipped to go to and you use it you know you do the spirit bomb but if.

[00:56:38] You're already transformed into a super saiyan or higher um you would it would activate dragon fist instead yeah which was kind of cool.

[00:56:49] They um this game had GT elements to didn't it that's right yeah you could uh oh mega shine wrong was in it and um uh super saiyan 4 go go Vegeta and I believe super saiyan 4 go G.

[00:57:01] Well super saiyan 4 is like still that like lost thing that like sadly we'll never get back but it's like the one thing from GT that everyone still remembers fondly.

[00:57:12] It'll always be the video games in the very least and I'm sure heroes heroes will never let that die.

[00:57:19] That would be it's sad because we'll never know but that would have been the most Toriyama shit if like he just like pulled out of nowhere like oh yeah 4 is more powerful than ultra instinct it was like what?

[00:57:30] He totally would have done that too yeah there's one massive people just to let Vegeta have it and he wasn't drawn the mug anymore so you wouldn't give a shit no I mean that was why he got rid of tails in the first place because you sick of drawing them.

[00:57:46] That's why super saiyan was made because he was lazy didn't want to color in the hair yeah that's true I love the backgrounds of mag artists like sometimes the reasoning for things is hilarious.

[00:57:58] Yeah so many of the things that he did were just to make his life easier like making freezes final form like that sleep simple yeah just so we wouldn't have to work as hard.

[00:58:09] Imagine how much effort it took to draw like third form freeze like fuck that you know and then meanwhile the artists for like the cooler movies created the fourth form which was this extremely over designed thing yeah.

[00:58:23] And when I went to reaama came back with like yeah freezes coming back he's given new form is gold is old one just gold very very toriam.

[00:58:35] It's like Goku's getting a new form it's pink like and he's less muscular mm-hmm.

[00:58:43] Yeah it's just silly.

[00:58:47] But yeah overall yeah I see put a guy three was it's a solid game it's just that that one aspect about the mechanics that just bought the hell out of me and make the game incredibly frustrating for me personally.

[00:59:00] And it's like all the combos too and I like I like in putting the combos to do the special moves because it felt satisfying when you actually pulled off.

[00:59:10] Yeah you can't choose the tournament anymore.

[00:59:15] Yeah the teleporting aspect definitely made that more difficult.

[00:59:19] I will say by three though like they had perfected like air combat considerably because like you could actually do full battles in the air now.

[00:59:27] Oh yeah for sure in fact I think there might have been some that were you had to do in the air I'm not 100% sure on that but.

[00:59:35] So we also I don't own them so I can't really show them but you wanted to mention the shin boot a guy games as well.

[00:59:42] Yeah those were those were really interesting games because when I was a kid I got a PSP one year for Christmas and I didn't really know what the hell they're getting for whenever but one day I saw the shin boot a guy games in game stop and I got super pumped it was like awesome like a boot a guy game that I have handheld that's great.

[01:00:02] And it's honestly there's solid games but it's basically just the boot a guy system but like more simplified.

[01:00:10] You don't do any combos for your special moves or ultimate moves or anything like that you just I think you get two supers and then a transformation and an ultimate and it's all just variations of a direction and the energy button which you know like I said well simplified.

[01:00:30] And what I remember it's essentially the boot a guy three engine but like dumb down for handheld pretty much.

[01:00:39] I mean they handle the story modes in interesting ways I've been replaying the first one for the first time in a long time because my my copy was unplayable for a while because the little anybody who remembers PSP games they had that weird little classic case around the disc because yes this handheld that disc games.

[01:00:59] So bizarre I still don't understand why they did that but so yeah so the little plastic casing around the disc of that particular game like the little like plastic window to look at the game kind of popped a little bit so wouldn't read the disc anymore but I ended up recently I popped open like a demo disk case thing that I had and I just wish the discs on it works now so.

[01:01:24] You can actually buy replacement cases for the discs now to but actually like third party versions of those that actually work now so it's kind of cool.

[01:01:34] That might actually be better because I couldn't get the thing to put closed again so it's just kind of it's not like open open but if I if it caught on something it could definitely open opens for the game but.

[01:01:48] So yeah I'm replaying that for the first time in a while for that reason and I had totally forgotten that it was basically like a weird retelling of fusion reborn.

[01:01:59] Yeah it's like a story yeah it's got like these like timelines with like diverging story lines and stuff and depending on like decisions and stuff that you make throughout it can kind of affect the line and ultimately you can go back and redo them in different ways but.

[01:02:16] Isn't it some isn't it some shit that the like arguably the most interesting fucking story mode I think we've had yet was the one that they stuck on the handheld that barely anyone bought.

[01:02:27] I mean honestly I think I think that is the case I personally like the story mode in the second one better but the question one other yeah I'm definitely enjoying it because it it takes the whole concept of fusion reborn where.

[01:02:45] Where heaven and hell are out of balance so all the dinner coming back so that explains why all the villains are there.

[01:02:52] And apparently it takes a step further and now time is becoming a problem as well so like the younger versions of some of the characters like go on and so forth are also showing up.

[01:03:05] The icon is there for some reason I guess the fusion reborn so you should be there but he's got a yellow the wall yeah he's going to yell the wall and you know do his old thing.

[01:03:17] I'm only on chapter three at the moment so I haven't gotten all the way to the end yet but it's been pretty cool so far and it's actually a surprising amount of characters in the game.

[01:03:30] So I mean that was the basic idea of the first game the second game is a little bit more interesting with the story mode because.

[01:03:37] It actually has like kind of maps that you lie around because basically the way that that one works is the story is that trunks is your in trunks world trunks this future and poverty and divorce show up and they're causing havoc and.

[01:03:56] Trunks is like oh well I gotta go get some help because they are out of my league so he hops in his new improved time machine that has a room for literally anybody who can fight in it.

[01:04:08] And he goes and picks everybody up and brings them to the future and it starts this whole story where like you kind of have like the flying around aspect a little bit of boot of Catherine not to the same degree but you have these little maps where you fly around to.

[01:04:25] If I around you find all the enemies and you have to defend the cities that have been rebuilt after the Androids from the enemies and that was like a big part of the story as well and it's really interesting mechanic for the game adding that little bit of like oh well I want to go fight this guy but I have to defend the city or else I'll fail the quest you know.

[01:04:47] As that little extra like urgency to the game and I like that a lot.

[01:04:52] Not definitely not technically a boot of Kaya game but it runs off the boot of Kaya engine we should probably mention dragon ball evolution the game.

[01:05:05] Oh yes that's right yeah that's also a PSP game it's that's the only system it came out for.

[01:05:10] Yeah and it's it's better than the movie it's based off of kind of yeah it basically the story mode just retails the story of the movie very very abridged.

[01:05:24] Yes and the combat is literally the exact same as the shinbu no kai games just with dragon ball evolution skins.

[01:05:33] Yes which is just silly it is one of those weird games that exists so one other thing we didn't we haven't mentioned yet but all of these games were developed by a company called Dimps who they've been around for a very long time.

[01:05:52] They they're actually an offshoot of SNK.

[01:05:56] Or that's the studio that makes like the king of fighters Sam right show down art of fighting just a whole bunch of like classic arcade fighters.

[01:06:09] They spun off from SNK and they famously made handheld sonic games for years but they also made a ton of dragon balls e games like all the booted guys.

[01:06:21] All the PSP ones they Xenoverse they made Xenoverse.

[01:06:29] They also helped develop street fighter for so they've been there they're fighting game pedigrees very very strong yeah but these games particular some of the ones they're most well known for they also made an any asha fighter on PlayStation.

[01:06:45] Oh no kidding yeah.

[01:06:50] Yeah they also did one other game that we should probably cover even though it's not technically a boot a kai game but it's basically one and that's an infinite world.

[01:07:04] Yes that's one of the one of the few PS2 DBZ games that I never touched personally.

[01:07:11] This game is very mediocre in a lot of ways.

[01:07:19] Famously like the balancing in this game is horrendously bad to the point where like I believe with like the right items Yamcha is like the most OP character in the game.

[01:07:31] So yeah it was basically that engine there was 40 characters 100 transformations.

[01:07:44] It was basically kind of just like another they hyped it up as literally the best of the booted guy series.

[01:07:52] Yeah but in reality it was like they took popular elements of the booted guy series and just slapped them together didn't polish the any of it.

[01:08:04] And we got this game that's hard to find now and not very good.

[01:08:10] I mean I still give it a try and nowadays if I get my hands at a PS2 again and get a copy of it I still give a shot just to have it under my belt the very least.

[01:08:23] Yeah it's interesting it's definitely I don't know if I'd say it's better than sagas.

[01:08:33] So I guess isn't a good game but it's a fun game.

[01:08:40] It's fun with the great. Yeah it's fun collab because it's like the only Dragon Ball collab game.

[01:08:45] Also the only Dragon Ball game to release the next box.

[01:08:49] Yeah that's true at least original Xbox.

[01:08:53] I'm hoping to be fair the best Dragon Ball fighter on PS2 is the one that's not even related to booted guy in the slightest.

[01:09:02] Super easy super DVZ the one that plays like an actual fighter.

[01:09:08] Really threw me off the first time I played it.

[01:09:11] Yeah you're used to this like weird goofy Dragon Ball style fighting and then you played that when you're like oh this one is actually like you need to know how to play a fighting game to play.

[01:09:20] That's why I was bad at it.

[01:09:23] It's also one of the few that has Chi Chi as a playable character.

[01:09:27] Yeah well aside note the Dragon Ball Evolution game if I remember correctly is to my knowledge the only game where you play as Balma.

[01:09:38] Well actually that's not true now because Dragon Ball the breakers.

[01:09:44] I still don't know what to think of that game as you play as first arc Balma 16 year old Balma.

[01:09:54] With like the weird like Middle Eastern outfit.

[01:09:59] Oh yeah one of her many outfits during that first arc.

[01:10:04] Yes ginger close a lot in that.

[01:10:07] She wore a bunny girl suit at 1.2.

[01:10:11] And then kept the ears later on.

[01:10:14] Yeah because they needed a plot for reasoning for the monster carrot thing.

[01:10:19] Yeah but yeah freaking.

[01:10:22] Who do you guys games are good? I enjoy them a lot.

[01:10:26] What are those games here is that I always end up going back to at some point.

[01:10:30] Unfortunately right now the only yelling games I can play are the Shinbudo Kai ones without a whole lot of effort with the measuring returns.

[01:10:40] Yeah well my daughter gets older I'll be able to have all my stuff out and available but as a right now I pretty much just the main ones I have up.

[01:10:52] Yeah sadly though like Boudokai kind of ends on the PS2 the closest thing after that was burst limit which was.

[01:11:03] Yeah it's a weird kind of like attempted doing the 2d style fighters on like next gen hardware but it like completely flopped and everyone jumped right towards the raging blast games.

[01:11:17] Yeah which is a little bit of bummer because we didn't get another 2d fighter for a while after that not until fighters I believe.

[01:11:26] It was the extreme voted 10 on 3ds which was essentially beta fighters in a way.

[01:11:34] Yeah it pretty much was beta fighters because they came all at what year before and it was made by the same people so yeah there was also I guess the supersonic warriors games were kind of 2d but also 3d at the same time.

[01:11:48] That was a weird hybrid kind of deal also made by arc interestingly enough.

[01:11:57] Yeah because other than that like the only other 2d fighter I could think of is 10kitesu and enough said.

[01:12:07] Yeah it's not a good game. That would just an objectively bad game.

[01:12:14] It's like God web webfoot technologies made a lot of Dragon Ball games and they're either really good or really bad.

[01:12:22] That's like there's no in between pretty much.

[01:12:26] Pretty much.

[01:12:28] Yeah because up to before fighters though it was really just those couple.

[01:12:33] Yeah which and we haven't had another one since fighters I mean fighters is still going strong.

[01:12:39] It has a really big like tournament scene.

[01:12:43] To be fair until until recently fighters was still the final actual fighting game released.

[01:12:50] Until recently I guess I won.

[01:12:53] Well the the new one that's coming out.

[01:12:57] Oh okay yeah I gotcha.

[01:13:00] Which I mean that wasn't going to be more like the 3d fight style that has been kind of all the rage ever since the 10k 8g games.

[01:13:08] Yeah it's basically a love letter to the 10k 8g fans which I mean.

[01:13:13] Good for them I was never a huge 10k 8g guy myself but.

[01:13:17] I'm personally excited for it.

[01:13:19] I love the idea of having another 10k 8g game but with all the new characters.

[01:13:25] Oh yeah I mean I'll buy it definitely just to experience.

[01:13:28] I mean hell they could just make like sparking T.O.P.

[01:13:31] and just have all characters in the server to power that alone would be a wild game.

[01:13:37] They should just do like super smash brothers ultimate everybody's here every character ever from dragon ball.

[01:13:43] That'd be amazing including including the random NPCs that no one cares about.

[01:13:48] It would be like the definitive dragon ball game if they did that and they'll make everybody happy.

[01:13:54] Well there's still be someone who would complain because that's just how the internet works but.

[01:13:58] Yeah well I mean for a long time there was definitely a lot to complain about because I forget exactly what the situation was

[01:14:06] but for a long time there was a reason why we were getting so many dragon ball games.

[01:14:09] It was because the people who were putting them out there were they had like a contract that they had to put out a dragon ball game once a year.

[01:14:21] So there's a lot of these games that had the potential to be really really good but because they had to just get it out there so they could have that one check mark and.

[01:14:30] And get to work on the next one for the ball in here like a lot of them ended up pretty much coming out unfinished wish yeah it was a bummer but.

[01:14:40] We kept this busy while we were still waiting on new you know new dragon ball that started coming out.

[01:14:45] Yeah honestly the games are what kept Dragon Ball alive during that period before Kai after GT ended honestly I can't see any other series doing that really like any other series that have just been.

[01:14:59] Gone for like a significant period of time that they just consistently making games for.

[01:15:05] No not really because it's like I'm thinking of other big enemies and like you can't say Naruto because Naruto has kind of been always going.

[01:15:12] Yeah pretty much it's a came out or like never stopped because she would have ended anything we're like alright forward to yeah cuz like even like thinking about Naruto.

[01:15:20] Naruto is probably the only other enemy that consistently gets games like as much as like Dragon Ball.

[01:15:28] I mean at least from the time when Naruto started yeah I'd say one piece is catching up if you want to get one piece how do I how could I forget one piece.

[01:15:41] How dare you.

[01:15:43] How could I especially with your neighbor how could I forget one thing.

[01:15:50] I get rid of that before she gets the fourth summons or.

[01:15:55] Here now get your door any second now yes I didn't I yeah I should have thought about that one piece has probably more games than anything now.

[01:16:05] I don't remember the name of it but I know there was a like you know like how we have like the jump victory versus and jump for us.

[01:16:15] Oh yeah like the combo games those are interesting.

[01:16:20] But they had we never got them in the west of my knowledge but they were like like original DS versions of those kinds of games which were much more.

[01:16:31] Smash Brothers style with like those kinds of like platform stages where you knock get knocked off or stuff and they had way more characters available and like.

[01:16:39] I wish we had gotten those games or they would release another one.

[01:16:44] Like one that isn't like jump for us her jump victory versus like one that's actually finished not was yeah well I mostly mean like the style of it like the super smash brothers style of it but with anime characters from across all shown in like that.

[01:17:00] That would be sick I would love that I'd be into that yeah because I'm still thinking game wise like even like this even the other big ones like bleach really didn't have a ton of games.

[01:17:14] Now it didn't which we are because bleach had a huge falling over here for a while.

[01:17:19] Yeah did like any yasha had more games than people seem to think.

[01:17:25] You Haka show didn't have much to my knowledge now you you Haka show had like one game on the PS2 and then a couple GPA games.

[01:17:34] Yeah it's the PS2 fighter was decent obviously term attack thanks which I'm still in the middle of a play run of that.

[01:17:42] It also had a fighter of 3DO yeah the sure set throwing that one out there but when you guys cover that one.

[01:17:52] Whenever Thrac finishes watching the show was you watching right now he was I don't know if he still is.

[01:17:59] Oh yeah you know what I think I do remember him mentioning at the discord.

[01:18:03] I'll have to mention it again he probably got distracted by something else.

[01:18:07] It's possible yeah FMA only had a couple games.

[01:18:13] Yeah it's well though I mean a lot of these newer game these newer enemies are getting games really fast like.

[01:18:21] Did you two guys and only just finished their second season they have a game.

[01:18:24] Oh yeah that games of hunk of garbage.

[01:18:27] I wouldn't know I just know that it has one.

[01:18:30] I saw a video of a youtuber playing on my camera's blurry.

[01:18:34] That's nice.

[01:18:36] I had a I saw video of a youtuber playing it and he was like this game is garbage.

[01:18:42] It is like the most generic arena it's basically like the.

[01:18:48] Naruto Ninja Storm style but like lazy years on how.

[01:18:54] I did see put into the Jojo fighting game at that one actually looks decent.

[01:18:59] Those are pretty good.

[01:19:01] I just been getting a pretty consistent amount of games over the years.

[01:19:08] Yeah I think I can't really think of any other ones that are even remotely comparable to the library of Dragon Ball Naruto and one piece games that we've gotten.

[01:19:19] It really isn't.

[01:19:24] Yeah yeah that's that's the way you do.

[01:19:32] You you I feel like it's cheating to be honest kind of is I mean.

[01:19:37] I'd say it's less cheating than Pokemon because Pokemon was a game first.

[01:19:42] I mean you wasn't you technically it was a manga first.

[01:19:48] You use a weird one that's like its own rabbit hole.

[01:19:51] We should do an episode on what the hell was it called?

[01:19:55] Dual to the roses do oh actually.

[01:19:59] The most of the roses I would like I thought you were going to say sacred cards is gonna be like like we.

[01:20:06] The easiest game ever yeah do as the roses was hardest balls.

[01:20:10] Yeah because it's a tactical game for some reason.

[01:20:13] Yeah it's a tactical game where they just kind of make up their own rules like the way that you put down the cards and do fusion stuff.

[01:20:20] It's so bizarre and you can't have close to all the cards and it should but we could do a whole episode on you games probably because like.

[01:20:29] The you you forbidden memories was the technically the pre the prequel to a duals to the rose.

[01:20:37] Because it has the solomans ancestor in it the blue guy in the beginning.

[01:20:44] Yeah yeah yeah yeah the guy are they like a mask or something.

[01:20:50] What the hell did they call him in that I remember him and duals to the roses and they called them something weird.

[01:20:55] He's in a forbidden memories as well forbidden memories is great because it's hard as.

[01:20:59] Fuck and like they just make up the rules since they go along.

[01:21:03] The only thing that was really we're going off on a tangent right now but you know what I thought was really bizarre about the you know anime when they actually like went deep into like the.

[01:21:10] Ancient G. Your stuff was how like you guys grandfather was pretty much there in ancient Egypt but apparently had no relation to you.

[01:21:20] Or to the Pharaoh or the Ferris father so it's just like why are you here like if we're part of the same bloodline then what is going on here this makes no fucking sense.

[01:21:32] You can't you know doesn't make a lot of sense when you think about it.

[01:21:37] And you know it's funny though they did a third game in that quote unquote series the one on Gamecube that the false bound kingdom.

[01:21:47] And they completely got rid of the card game and just made it a strategy game for no reason.

[01:21:53] It is the weirdest trilogy ever because there it's three games all somewhat related on three different systems with three drastically different gameplay styles.

[01:22:05] Yeah, that's bizarre one thing I will say about the dualist of the roses that was I fucking like they was one of the only you games that actually made an effort at having individual models for each monster and like it was slow as balls with the loading and everything but like.

[01:22:22] Essentially it works the way it did in the show where you some of the monster and the thing appears and they doesn't attack and you believe they're killing or not and then.

[01:22:32] You know you go back to the board but if it was faster it would have worked a lot better but most I was also skipping it that was also during the period of time where you could just fuse fucking anything.

[01:22:45] Yeah, which was kind of awesome.

[01:22:48] He just have a whole hand of cards and you just summon them all at once just to see what reviews and what wouldn't like it's like nothing here is good just these two randomly fuse see what happens.

[01:22:59] The best was the best was when you would just lay down all your cards like that and like three would fuse all in a row like it fuse two cars together then that would fuse the next card and so on it just like holy shit what did I just do.

[01:23:12] And then it would end up being so detrimental to you in the long run because you didn't plan it out and you're like fuck yeah.

[01:23:19] That came a weird game that came is great and awful like I love it and hated it's a game I'd love to do a replay of just for the fuck of it.

[01:23:29] I kind of pull that out again at some point but the thing I remember most about that game was it gave you the magnet warrior cards.

[01:23:35] Yes, yes, I remember that.

[01:23:37] That's like my favorite line of cards and there's like a more of them now that I have to track down apparently so yeah, there's a bunch of the electro magnet warriors and stuff and like different variations.

[01:23:48] Yeah, I have a whole like magnet warrior deck and dual links that's like based around all those they're fine cards nice.

[01:23:56] But yeah, I'm thinking we should probably wrap this up now mostly because I got to work tomorrow but yeah, I know what you're talking about you.

[01:24:04] Yeah, we've lost the plot so we said last week that this was going to be the end of our Toriyama kind of retrospective tribute for a little while.

[01:24:15] We just wanted to get a few of these out yeah, now we're going to go back to covering our normal randomness again our regular schedule programmer.

[01:24:24] Yeah, I'm not sure what we're going to cover next yet. We'll probably talk about it off camera but uh yeah, we are we are due for another live action.

[01:24:36] Yeah, we got to find more you sound so enthused.

[01:24:42] I'm very tired understandable.

[01:24:45] Well, the last one we watched was a death note wasn't it? Yeah, I believe so.

[01:24:52] Yeah, that left an impression yeah.

[01:24:57] Yeah, well, we'll figure something out off camera but all right.

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