Episode 139: Palworld - You Are Replaceable

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[00:00:05] What do you say you don't know the genre 3d hyper video fantasy sex world?

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[00:00:21] Oh, you know how I made fun of you last week, you know

[00:00:24] Resident Evil 2 in Japanese well

[00:01:24] dick and I was just like I can't wait to go on online and play with these and I'm like you fucking idiot they're not gonna see it and he's like and then they tell that to him and he's

[00:01:28] like no they will because there's this red dead redemption online server where they modded in a

[00:01:33] car and you could everyone can see the car playing the car I'm like you fucking that's all the server

[00:01:39] you goon you baboon that's why you I've gotten to the point where I'm looking forward to I'm like Man when it's not cold anymore. I'm not gonna get this hot chocolate and I'm just gonna be like invite myself back on to the show It's gonna be a cool episode so I'm excited to get into it And you're so close to your ten thousand hours of gaming together We also have new guest JB from return or welcome to a game court. What's going on buddy? Hey everybody? Yeah

[00:04:23] Thank you very much for inviting me. It's it's wonderful. I know yeah Yeah, but uh so the reason why I brought up cuz that wasn't out of left field is that he he talked to this guy The guy who broke it was some ordinary gamers mooda hard a guy bring up all the time. I watch this shit all the time And he's good. Yeah, I love it especially since I always have four hours to kill at work so I'm like I guess I'm gonna listen to this shit cuz he talks for like an hour on something stupid and so he

[00:06:44] characters. And then the big sort of reveal is that there is a portal to the video game dimension that all of the bad guys have been coming through and they are the company.

[00:06:48] So it's just a very interesting storyline. We just finished our season two season finale.

[00:06:54] So go check that out. That's really good. Yeah, I went back because I you've always been

[00:06:59] in my periphery for a while and every now and then I come and check out and I'm listening.

[00:07:02] I'm like, I looking for things to steal from you value. Like there's like a whole bunch of actual creative writing. Yeah, when things going on, we were just using chat GBT and reading them into silly voices. But it was really fun

[00:08:22] and cool.

[00:08:23] It's so awesome though, JV, because like I mean, I feel like we're staring at each other in their cameras.

[00:09:42] So we've scared some guests away, but that's in the canon in the barrel. Yeah, I do. It's kind of interesting and it bounces off of what Naive was talking about earlier. I don't know if it made it into the intro of the show, but talking about the Japanese, was it Resident Evil? And it made me think of completionism and the very first game I ever 100%ed, me and my

[00:11:04] buddy, we were just hanging out and we were playing this game that was on Xbox Live games And my cohost will he is a very, very strict at Lawmaker on the show when it comes to if you start a game, you must finish it. Like he has no qualms about being like, well, hey, you started Risen Evil 7 in 2015. Where are you at in your progress on that after I'm like, I'm going to be a final fantasy seven.

[00:12:20] And I'm like, OK, all right, you're right.

[00:12:22] You're right.

[00:12:22] I should finish it.

[00:12:23] But at the same time, like I like to flush games.

[00:12:26] I like to be like, OK, I've played game.

[00:12:28] I'm going to do it. in your mind, like the ratio between how much of those are trash like one hour game, like achievement, like things that you go to check off in like versus actual like 50 plus hour. I genuinely do, I buy a good handful of those games that are 5,000 gamers score for an hour worth of game, but I don't play them unless I need a dopamine hit.

[00:13:40] If I have a really hard day at work or like, you know,

[00:13:43] my girlfriend of two weeks broke up with me,

[00:13:47] I gotta have a good day. out for us. Well I finished the walking that speaking of getting all the achievements got all the achievements in that game which is annoying because like I said last week they have divergent paths but man speaking of not having fun when you're playing a game that game is not fucking fun but it ends really well I'm not gonna spoil it obviously but it ends like in a in a surprising way and so

[00:15:01] not like surprising like they they really

[00:15:03] broke new ground because it's pretty by

[00:15:05] the books but it is just the funniest fucking thing

[00:16:21] I've ever thought each upon was like a business entrepreneur or something like that. He is but he's also an idiot. Oh

[00:17:22] which I absolutely am going to play at some point. And we've talked privately about like me going back

[00:17:25] through the Yakuza franchise and starting at zero,

[00:17:27] maybe doing one and two Kowami.

[00:17:28] I've heard maybe three and four are skippable,

[00:17:31] but I'm not 100% sure.

[00:17:32] I know that you are unabashedly in love

[00:17:34] with all of the games, but.

[00:17:37] I would definitely say that three at this point

[00:17:39] is not skippable, even though it is the worst performing game

[00:17:42] because the Kowami one and two are just the one and two

[00:17:46] being remade, because those are PS2 games. info to play infinite wealth because the game does a lot of exposition. Like there's a lot of exposition. So they're doing callbacks to like what happened in three and they do it seamlessly. My question to you though is, is how long do you give it because of our Sega's and RGG's close relationship with Xbox? How long before infinite wealth is going to be on game pass and like

[00:19:00] it'll work on my backlog in the meantime.

[00:19:03] So I don't have to like pay 70 dollars out of pocket.

[00:19:05] Yeah.

[00:19:05] I would say I bought the Mahi Mahi? And I'm like, what? They're like, hey, do you have anything with fish in it? I'm just like, I don't know.

[00:20:20] It's so good.

[00:20:21] Another question that I had for you is that looking

[00:20:23] at gameplay clips of this game is that obviously, There are some moves that do more damage the further away you are. And then now you could position yourself near weapons and be like, I want to use this weapon. I want that. So if you see a bike nearby, you can move to your view over there. Like grab it and smack somebody with it before his main tech. That's amazing. This is amazing. So have you played Yakuza Zero? I'm playing now actually. Okay, so you know how Kiryu has the three fighting styles?

[00:21:40] Yeah.

[00:21:41] That returns on this game.

[00:21:42] It is a JRPG, but he has three fighting styles.

[00:21:45] So he could be brawler or, never replayed a game besides before the first one I ever played but that was like years years later. Yeah. And so I do feel like going back and played through them again but I it just feels strange because these lack of dragon the our JRPGs are like 80 hours long. Yeah. So I like the bellows. Yeah. Our RPG versions of this like new game plus I love new game plus and like resident evil

[00:23:01] where I get to go back with a grenade launcher and shit but I'm pretty sure the new game

[00:23:05] plus in this in this game is going to scale everyone with you. That makes sense because a lot of Japanese people vacation in Japan. So maybe there's a little little place like that Just like you'll hear. You'll find a surfer to and he's just like Just like oh, it's so weird English in Japan and then you hear the Japanese people speak English and it is the voice actors speaking really broken English

[00:24:21] That's so funny though. It's so funny like English like spoken't worry. I'll save some time. For my games, I've been playing the same thing I was playing last week. Drank West Treasures, which is the side story spin off of Drank West 11 where you play as the thief. I don't remember his name, Eric, maybe Eric and his

[00:25:40] sister. I don't know. I've been got a good idea of what it's gonna look like much than that anyway. Oh Man, it's gonna be some Akira Toriyama shit. It is Oh, man, you know, it's actually not showing up. I mean, there's a like

[00:28:04] puzzle. I don't know if you guys are playing. Yeah, dude. I was wondering how the first thing I thought, but I was like, I'm just going to let him have let it happen. But the first

[00:28:07] thing I thought up was like, Phil doesn't understand chess. And it's so you have to read

[00:28:11] it and be like, Hmm, like, all the names of the pieces don't change in Japanese, at least

[00:28:19] maybe not in traditional chess or classic chess. Yeah. So the still rook, queen, king, got it right just for reinforcing and I'm like I knew it had to be one of these. I was really curious because like you know in Japan they don't play when they some do play chess but like they're they play a game called Shogi which is Japanese chess which is way different man it is way different and I know Nick knows all about it because he had to he probably had to play a lot of it to get the completion and like a dragon yeah but man Shogi is so cool but I was

[00:29:43] wondering man wouldn't it be funny if they switched it out with Shogi pieces And he has a lot more involvement with mr. X in that game than Claire does in the Claire run and it was really cool because like I didn't know what nape is talking about now Where it's like you have to play both a and b to get the true ending But I recently did a show with Dave Jackson on tails from the backlog And so I did my Claire B run and I just want to say play it on standard difficulty no hardcore over here

[00:31:00] But I did it in three hours got an s-grade. So I was very you know

[00:31:04] I'm patting myself on the back for that one right there, but I

[00:32:03] It's pretty similar in the beginning, the prologue section. If it is like the exact same prologue.

[00:32:06] Just like in your prologue.

[00:32:07] Yeah, you're gonna see once you're in the mansion itself,

[00:32:10] you're going to go in a like different direction.

[00:32:13] Like you, I think you start in a different place, right?

[00:32:15] Yeah, you start.

[00:32:16] And then you, so I think Claire starts at the bottom

[00:32:18] and Leon starts at the middle.

[00:32:20] And then you kind of snake your way through the mansion.

[00:32:23] And you're going to see things that Claire did.

[00:32:25] Like you're gonna see like things that puzzles

[00:32:27] that you did as Claire, Amazing cat though, they're finest. Which reminded me, man, that there was a whole discourse about who would win between Leon Kennedy and Joel for the Last of Us. And I'm like, are you guys fucking insane? Like, dude, the Resident Evil characters are superheroes. Leon Kennedy would kill every fucking character in the Last of Us simultaneously coming at him with guns and everything.

[00:33:42] Like, he would dodge out of the way of the bullets.

[00:33:45] Like, he would wave a little two-man guy. That's very fair. I also I see the drums in your background right there And I used to play a guitar hero rock band. I would play on expert with my feet, you know like I would understand that rhythm game life and Having a family and having kids that come in and you whack him in the head with the controller that helps kind of your game But then for like a longer-form RPG have been playing Asgard's Wrath 2 which is you know gotten a lot of

[00:35:06] critical acclaim and stuff for the rest three and

[00:36:05] But I don't know as far as VR games it just is what it is. So we'll see

[00:36:08] Yeah, I'm looking at it looks pretty cool

[00:36:10] like the There's it gave me a vibe of like almost like Elden ring or Dark Souls as far as the combat goes

[00:36:16] Which is really cool in VR like

[00:36:19] timing out the moves and dodging out of the way and then striking and

[00:36:22] Some of the combat's really cool, but I found it to get pretty samey and repetitive after a while

[00:37:24] He posts a thing, but he always goes on VR and he does part of his video It'd be are just fucking with people online and he's just like hey

[00:37:27] So what do you guys think about the vaccine and it'll be a kid be like?

[00:37:30] I don't really want to get touched video

[00:37:31] He's like well that means you're gonna die damn and they shared some team kills over the gun

[00:37:35] And I was just like dude, I love it or like he'll be talking

[00:37:38] He'd be like okay. Well anyways, I think I dropped a grenade on accident you guys might want and then it blows up every

[00:37:44] He's like oh well, that's a shame and then he starts talking on a video I inevitably like just fell naturally. There were several times where I was just playing and I just automatically solved what I was doing as I was going from world to world. It honestly is a really, really cool concept and it like the idea of the mechanic of the game is that you're this bug character and you wake up in this world and you realize that when you get to this certain platform,

[00:39:00] you jump through the platform

[00:39:02] and it's like you're exiting that world into another world.

[00:39:05] And then at that builds upon itself

[00:39:07] and then there are four worlds The whole premise is that you are in a recursive world so that like you can always go into the world that you are currently in by going towards the center of the world pretty much. Oh, interesting. But you can also leave the world, but then you end up in the same world. Yeah. And I was like going off one side of the screen and coming back on the other. That's a really good, a Fred X sentence.

[00:40:20] Just like it's like, let's describe physics where the, you know, it's all in theory, like

[00:40:26] not in natural occurring physics. right? So the short of the short of the length of time between when your brain solves the puzzle and when you finish the puzzle and the Game is what makes a good puzzle? Like whenever like when you're like moving boxes around a cocoon or whatever Like it's like how long until you're like oh, I know what to do and then you're done and moving on to the next puzzle I'm like in a shooter game where the fucking dopamine you get is when you shoot the guy and you're like yes

[00:41:43] I shot the guy you know what I mean the puzzle solving itself isn't what you're getting a dopamine it from it's a really good video

[00:42:41] is the way to play it. However, if I can recommend to anyone out there,

[00:42:43] any listener with us on the show right now,

[00:42:47] I would recommend before going to get

[00:42:50] like any of the initial endings,

[00:42:52] because essentially Cyberpunk,

[00:42:54] like many other of the CD project games,

[00:42:57] it has different types of endings depending on the choices

[00:42:59] that you've made throughout the game

[00:43:00] or the relationships that you've built.

[00:43:02] So why I recommendation would be to play through the events

[00:43:06] of the Phantom Liberty, but yeah, you have to go play the game Idris Elba and the other actors who are the main core cast of family literary absolutely

[00:44:20] Stunning the way that they like wrote the story and crafted the story see the

[00:44:24] Cyberpunk main story a lot of the main Yeah. My position is always good. I would agree with you. Okay. So even like when Cyberpunk first came out, I played it and I was like, this is a really good game. And even Cowboy, he's an ardent supporter and he will fight anyone who says otherwise. So it's always been good. Yeah, it's always a push and pull because like we as like consumers and as people who

[00:45:42] are practicing armchair, like video game journalism I don't fucking show you what did you do who did you choose to know what koroshi the car he didn't do anything what car guy there's a guy he's like all my cars are going wild robots around town you go and handle them and I'm like he's

[00:47:03] talking about Delamain yeah he was my boy he was my best friend he didn't do any Yeah, listeners, this is major spoiler territory. I'm gonna have to cut all the end of Cyberpunk. So please, yeah, anyway, but please, please go do a romance, whether I don't know if you played male or female, but like romance, Pan Am or Judy or whatever and see up because like the implications in like, these are just really breathed in characters,

[00:48:21] like lived in characters that have done like,

[00:48:24] like they've just really affected me

[00:48:25] and they're like, I think about them in my brain

[00:48:28] whenever I'm not I wasn't depressed. I was like fucking I was angry at one of the people I was like why are you why at every point you could fuck up are you fucking up? You're talking about yeah, I've got a go with the dark dude Elba I started with the Idris elbow because I loved the wire and I loved Luther

[00:49:44] Elba and his cinematic user I was like that's the well that's the homie So this Prince of Persia, does it play like the Prince of Persia, the movie game? Or does it play like it's a two-D? It's a two-D. It's two-D. Yeah, so it's two-D side-scroller. So it's like they're it's harkening back to the classic Prince of Persia. But if you ever played Rayman Legends, it's created by that same development team.

[00:51:01] Over into Legends. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:51:03] Yeah. He's got to get it though.

[00:51:04] Yeah, it's really, really good.

[00:51:05] The platform is crisp.

[00:51:06] It's got some of the best backflips But this also just like the traversal itself is really, really cool because he has like an air dash that you can combine with like jumping on and off walls. So it's, it's incredible. So definitely the, the, the demo is on it. The demo is hard to get to. So just to let folks know, I feel like they hide demos like this. So go to the Xbox store, look up the Prince of Persia webpage and then you'll be able

[00:52:20] to find it.

[00:52:21] Maybe we can post a link in the episode description.

[00:52:24] But yeah, definitely check out the, the demo at the very least because I think it's,

[00:52:27] it's sold me for sure. parents from our last episode, no, our second to last episode, says awesome milestone, congrats. And then Alejandro, one of our good friends, he runs the random gamers corner, he says congrats as well deserved. So thanks guys, thanks for everyone that's just talking to us over there. I promise I'm gonna stop console worrying, I promise. It's gonna, I'm not that.

[00:53:40] No you won't. We expect it now. We expect it. Yeah, this is the content that I'm getting.

[00:53:44] I am literally getting followers and shit because I'm like just saying the meanest But you already know what Patreon is and we're trying to save some time. So move it along time for the am I the assholes section. It's time to go online and assist gamers in need to help them know if they are in fact assholes or not. Probably the part that a lot of people are most looking forward to.

[00:55:00] Unfortunately, this is what our podcast is turned into.

[00:55:04] It's the am I the asshole for banning someone from D&D?

[00:56:21] And the account is, am I the asshole throwaway sis?

[00:56:23] We already discussed that he's banned,

[00:56:25] so we can't check, but it is a throwaway.

[00:57:35] trust me. He got offended and started berating me. So I told him not to come to any more sessions. The next day, one of the players told me I overreacted. But I don't think I want someone like that in my home. Am I the asshole?

[00:59:03] No, no asshole here. No asshole here. If OP is to be believed, there of all, reacted that way quite obviously being like, what's going on with your sister lady? And then once she was like, oh, that's not something that we really need to talk about here.

[00:59:08] I think for him persisting after that got that for privacy, privacy wall. And then and then says I think like at that point there, nothing wrong has happened, right? Up until this point, I don't think there's anything sort of wrong that's happened.

[01:00:23] And then her response is in classic as a D&D player myself, we're all a bunch of weirdos.

[01:01:23] Specifically happens we have her dialogue and we have none of his dialogue So the only thing she says is that he started berating her which is bad

[01:01:26] You shouldn't do that, but is he really berating her or is he just annoyed that she's like stonewalling him

[01:01:31] You know, I was like we don't actually have a starting creative writing here in your diver

[01:01:36] The sacred text that is the am I guess I'll post I don't know if we're to take this at face value

[01:01:43] And of course she is give me that satisfaction. Right. And that's not an actual thing to do to try to like be reactionary. So people like show their emotions. What if it wasn't reactionary? What if it was like he was trying to he felt

[01:03:02] uncomfortable with the situation? He's like, Oh, we need a bar. We need a bard. We need an elf or some bullshit like that. Like, he's like, are you kidding?

[01:04:20] You're kidding?

[01:04:21] You're kidding?

[01:04:22] You're kidding?

[01:04:23] You're kidding?

[01:04:24] You're kidding? Anicdotal Story for this that kind of relates to it a little bit. I used to play match at the gathering. I know everyone don't don't go crazy I definitely would like the match at the gathering player But uh the I would go to commander nights and I would play and I am a hard cool. I am so good at commander I'm so good at magic and oh, what is that? Is that one of the new deck boxes? In is it's this this one right here. Yeah, my brother bought it for me for Christmas. Is it vampires?

[01:05:45] What is it? It's a van wolves. Yeah, yeah

[01:06:47] And I'm, even though I'm like being clearly playful to everyone else in the game, that one person, it feels personal. You know what I mean? Because he is taking the damage and stuff like that.

[01:06:49] I've had multiple times where in my magic games, somebody went away like not feeling great.

[01:06:54] And it was just like, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to like, I was just goofing with you.

[01:06:58] You can kill me first next game, I don't care.

[01:07:00] Like, it's like, I really don't care if I die first, because I'm just gonna get on Twitter and fucking scream at console warriors.

[01:07:05] Like, I'm gonna have fun either way.

[01:08:03] that men are pretty women are pretty cats are pretty that doesn't mean I want to date any of them. And I'm just going to say, I mean, this might be a little bias, but anybody

[01:08:07] who uses a word like that in normal conversation is the asshole every time. So she didn't specifically

[01:08:12] say that though. Yeah, this is like that's her personal belief. But if you would have

[01:08:17] said that out loud, that would have not not been cool. It's in no, but this this sentence

[01:08:24] is the sister describing what her sister has relayed to her about her interpretation You need YouTube thumbs like If you you give you I'm gonna ask you afterwards like send me like one or two pictures of yourself You could send me whatever you want whatever you want. I'm gonna do it Alright quick roundtable assholes here Nick I think that the guy who is at the Party who got kicked out was the asshole and the the 25 female OPs

[01:09:44] In her well within her rights to remove him from her

[01:10:46] Obviously not the asshole for the host and the dude was an asshole. Yeah for sure. Hmm. All right So you got two hard assholes and one soft asshole to the guy

[01:10:49] The jury has spoken

[01:10:51] Naive you're doing the edit on this one. Do you want to do another am I the asshole or let it go?

[01:10:55] You the fuck we I will get crucified by the listeners if we don't do another am I the asshole? All right here's one

[01:11:02] All right, so JB do you have time constraint?

[01:12:02] for thinking this is not appropriate, Dash, wife talking to male co-worker about adult video games.

[01:12:06] It reads, like, my wife told me that she discussed

[01:12:08] developing an adult video game with an unmarried

[01:12:11] same age male co-worker, same cohort opposite genders.

[01:12:17] Specifically, the game is to include nudity

[01:12:20] and sex between human and or fantasy characters.

[01:12:24] Based.

[01:12:25] But my wife is not This is not a game. We are talking about a gamified porno here that, and that is very obvious, not 8-bit boobs running around through a maze looking for treasure. Someone sounds a little spiteful. That last part seemed a little frustrating. OK.

[01:13:41] Yeah.

[01:13:42] Yeah, I don't know.

[01:13:43] This is a weird one to unravel because I think that this

[01:13:47] is there's this.

[01:13:48] Yeah. It was never been discussed with him right. He's a vinyl game though, and it says hyper sex describes it yeah, and I think that the thing is here it seems as though OP may be Kind somewhat unfamiliar with like video games in general. I don't play porn game So I don't know what the vast diaspora of porn games that are available on steam

[01:15:00] What do you say? You don't know the genre 3d hyper video fantasy sex world?

[01:16:04] like, yeah, I'm gonna go get my rocks off by like watching this VR porn game. It sounds like that they're a developer and number one, so they might be related to their

[01:16:09] job.

[01:16:11] And then I don't know.

[01:16:12] This is the tough one in the rabble.

[01:16:14] I, so Phillip, you remember when we were, when we would go to Boy Scott, so we would just

[01:16:17] abandon the fucking place and we would walk around town and we would talk to our friend

[01:16:21] JP about like, hey man, wouldn't it be cool if we made this game, this zombie game.

[01:16:25] We would talk.

[01:16:26] You know what this kind of reminds me of. She seems like a person that I can craft open a post one way but no, but there's also really important context here that OP is marking down that was posted by AutoMod below the initial post saying it's pretty clear from my post the action I took is in thinking doesn't he still doesn't make the grammar here doesn't make any sense but I'm thinking that my

[01:17:41] wife's actions are inappropriate. My wife doesn about nothing. But yeah, he is clearly putting his insecurities on display here. Yeah. I think it's one of those things. Oh, there's so much more. I'm glad you have you guys. There's like a scroll and take a look at the comments. Dude, there is. He's commenting all over the place.

[01:19:01] Oh my God.

[01:19:02] Everyone.

[01:19:03] And this is not about the porn game with the male co-worker, whatever.

[01:20:01] But she's just like that with everyone later. I found out that yes, my wife was very concerned because we worked and traveled

[01:20:05] close together for a period, but unholy unfounded on my part, no interest in

[01:20:10] former friend or other than friend.

[01:20:12] And so that's a non starter.

[01:20:14] Now, at my wife's request, I discontinue contact with said friend without a

[01:20:18] question, the moment my my wife asked before all this, my wife and coworker

[01:20:23] both started working at this company around the same time.

[01:21:22] Do you think she's gaslighting boundary disputes?

[01:21:25] Yeah, she's no she's trying to say that there's nothing going on

[01:21:31] Even though like he feels like this is a step too far even though for you know What could be conceived as even less of a boundary crossing as in a forearm being glanced?

[01:21:37] She here's another destroyed him. Yeah. Here's another comment. This is confirming the what I thought was the case

[01:21:44] It's also a reply to someone with I

[01:22:41] He grilled her about it. Yeah. Well, my thing is is that like, okay,

[01:22:44] all right, that's all fine and well,

[01:22:45] but at the same time, like, and it's clearly like Philip

[01:22:49] was saying they've both been cheated on

[01:22:50] in their previous relationships before.

[01:22:52] So they're both bringing in insecurities

[01:22:54] into this marriage, but they have established boundaries.

[01:22:57] My question is, is that if the other person

[01:23:00] that she was talking to in the workplace was a woman,

[01:23:02] would he be having these same issues?

[01:23:05] And if the answer is, well that we don't have to bang the gavel yet, but I'm almost teetering onto the verge of saying like we're dealing with a dual asshole situation here. Dual assholes, everyone sucks here. Everyone sucks, I feel like. Even the coworker? The coworker is a weak cock. We caught stray.

[01:24:20] The coworker caught a stray for sure. The coworker stumbled into the situation and didn't know

[01:24:24] what he was unpacking, but I feel like talking to a man about it. And it's not even like talking about sex or porn is the problem because he and I quote right here, like three years prior to this, she was at a small meeting with all women. One of the attendees made a comment about female masturbation and a light convo in the group ensued.

[01:25:40] It wasn't a serious talk and about nothing specific.

[01:25:43] Someone mentioned they found some toys they like and they were sharing info is all. where either both of them are at the same time having asymmetric understandings of where their boundaries are in their personal relationship. And he's also bringing his past trauma and his past issues from being cheated on another relationship. Sounds like she's doing the same thing. So they both have inner work to do to go on here. But I'm also willing to call them both assholes for not conducting themselves in a professional

[01:27:04] way in the workplace.

[01:27:05] Or him, obviously, she doesn't even play games. But they both work in a completely unrelated field. She's never showed any interest in computer games or developing games. He approached her and showed her the artwork for the game. So he approached her with. No, that's too far. You can't do that work. Especially to a married person, like just in general, you just don't do that.

[01:28:20] Paul, for my client, I don't know which one is my client.

[01:28:24] But so this sounds like, you know what this sounds like?

[01:28:27] This sounds like,'s gotta be like, oh gosh, okay. But Pause, three years ago, she already talked about sex to coworkers, but when they were female, it was okay. When it's a guy suddenly it's a big deal.

[01:29:40] So it's like she already, he brings up in the one

[01:29:42] that JB was just talking about.

[01:29:44] He says, short

[01:31:03] of you just trusting, I know my life and taking crazy pills here. Well, no, one very important thing I just want to real quick throw in there. It's he says, Oh, this person secretly her type. And oh, this is totally unlike her. Well, no,

[01:32:22] because people act differently around other people. Like the way that you act around you, as being a reliable narrator or do we see like I don't know how often in the Emily asshole posts like where the posters are trying to like change the story in order to make them look in a better light you know what I mean so I'm curious as to see if like how much of that is going on here it seems like he's very emotional right and and it's even says there's mental health issues in

[01:33:42] play here and I read a lot of his outburst it shouldn't be like, it's okay when you talk about it with women, but when you talk about it with men, it's a big no-no red flag. Like obviously there is some like, you know, implied misogyny or internalized misogyny that's there as well as in securities, yeah, Dave. So like you gotta, you gotta account for that, but I don't think that necessarily, I mean, I want to give him the benefit of the doubt

[01:35:02] to look at it on a case-by-case scenario.

[01:35:04] And from what he's describing,

[01:35:06] the scenario between her and the office co-worker Yeah, six tags. You're like digging all the best team tags to throw in there. Yeah. One last round table, Dave. Oh, man, therapy is my decision therapy for everyone. JB. I've been married for 10 years. Therapy communication. They suck at both. I'm going to say everyone sucks here.

[01:36:21] Yeah.

[01:36:22] Uh, definitely agree with JB.

[01:36:23] There's the everyone, everyone sucks.

[01:36:25] There are everyone's an asshole in the scenario. They all are clearly just there's no indication that he's being particularly cruel to her or she's being particularly cruel to him It just seems like there it is a it is a total Like communication breakdown and neither of them are able to even like understand each other at this point They're talking about each other. They just need to figure they need to get a third party in here Which I guess has read it at this point

[01:37:41] Just to just figure something out with their relationship because it's it's that's the thing

[01:37:45] He's like you got to have that conversation. What is the boundary that get the horn and you get I swear to God and so like especially when you're around other fucking old people That's why every time you look at the swingers. It's always fucking 50 year olds You know what I mean? It's always a 50 year old couple that are in the swingers parties And so there's something about like being older that just turns you into a horn dog when you're around other people that you're forced to be around

[01:39:00] You know what I mean? Something that everyone relates to

[01:39:05] All right, and with that let's take a quick farm and build and work alongside mysterious creatures called pals in this new completely new multiplayer open world survival crafting game 29 99. I really fumbled that steam store completely new. Yeah, completely

[01:40:22] new. So hours played. I put in about 10 hours. Navy put in about 35 JB around six and Nick So every time I hear people describe it as Pokemon with guns, I whistle a little bit, but it's also the, um, the contrarian, uh, cringy white nerd in me or whatever, like what, what would be described the, the guy in the last day by the asshole computer nerd. Like that's just me being like, that's not even what this game is. This game is closer to like almost

[01:41:40] like an arc or something like that. Like it is.

[01:41:43] There's so many other titles you could link to this game.

[01:42:44] Oh, well, I mean, we can go run to the artwork. You guys want to talk about it,

[01:42:45] unless you had like some preconceptions you wanted to lead in with.

[01:42:48] That's all swing with our preconceptions. Go neck.

[01:42:51] Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I'm going to do my best to try and try not to hug up space or time

[01:42:56] on the air, but yeah, I didn't know anything.

[01:42:59] I have heard of craft.

[01:43:00] Well, yeah, I don't know if it was on game pass.

[01:43:03] I didn't know anything about what this company has done before.

[01:43:06] Power world. garbage and I think that like I was like my expectations and understanding of the game was completely subverted when I started playing the game. So I definitely had no idea what this developer was doing before and I had no idea like what this game was going to be but the end result of this game was largely largely different from or where I landed with the game was largely different from what I went into it thinking.

[01:44:24] Jamie, you got any preconceptions of this? the fact that it was on Game Pass. I was like, yeah, let me try it. And I am waiting for the guys to jump back into this. I want to play it more. It's so fun. It's a hoot. I love it. Yeah. I agree. As for me, whenever I saw that, someone referenced the trailer when I got announced like two years ago. For months after I saw that trailer, before I went to bed,

[01:45:40] I would lay in bed thinking about the image

[01:45:42] of those sheep making those AK-47.

[01:45:44] Yeah.

[01:45:45] Like I just-

[01:45:46] Stuck in my brain in plants, yeah. my head was that when I first started playing. All right. So this game is interesting in that it like we almost have two different major topics to crossover. One would be the actual game itself in the gameplay ever since. Another thing is the huge amass of politics and emotions that are now stirred up around the game, not even like.

[01:47:01] So I think we can probably let's try sticking with the big Zeitgeist issue right now first like, tree generation foliage placement is a huge thing in the Unreal Engine. Dude, fucking... Like, that's one of the major features that they push. It's like, look at these rocks so you can just spawn and it will procedurally put them in good places so it's not fucking ridiculous. You're looking... Fucking a Bolivian back in 2006 used AI to fucking generate most of the fucking terrain. And you can tell when you play it because it's 2006 procedural generation, but it's

[01:48:23] like, who...

[01:48:24] These fucking dumb dums are like... you know, doing copyright infringement against Game Freak and about how like, it's just a copy game. It's just a meme game. They legitimately, more so than even other games, have never played this game. They have never booted this game up and actually tried it. I literally think that they looked at the YouTube videos or maybe they saw a couple of pieces of gameplay footage or they saw the Twitter comparisons of the different characters in between the

[01:49:41] Pokemon comparison and the Power World model and was like, ah, garbage, you know, AI meme link I just sent. It's a video of a guy flying on a dragon towards what looks like two towers. He jumps off the dragon and fires a rocket into the towers. So it's a creation of 9-11 in power. Amazing. And that is our arbitrage. That is our 11. What is this? Yeah, our 9-11

[01:51:01] reference for the episode. Do you guys have 9-11 references in every episode? is Powerworld giving new meaning to a lion or a sheep Pokemon? What does that mean? What does that mean? What does that mean? As far as it means. So like they're giving new meaning like are they iterating enough? Or is that Pokemon doing it? Or is that Pokemon or PAL doing exactly what that Pokemon or PAL is doing in the original usage of that IP?

[01:52:20] So is like is the Vulpix in Powerworld using Flamethrower?

[01:52:23] And if the answer is yes or no, like none of the pals look enough like Pokemon for you to truly say that IP has been taken and I think that's where there's starting to be nuance. They're so close. Like with the, if you take a person that, I don't know, has only like a sparse knowledge of Pokemon and you're like, Hey, look at these point of the Pokemon and

[01:53:41] point at, I don't know, like Pokemon reference to Pokemon that's what they're supposed to look like purely derivative Yeah, but this is the thing like for one I just I can't have any respect for these fucking people on Twitter going on a jihad over this fucking billion dollar

[01:55:03] Corporation like I don't I just don't respect you

[01:56:03] right choose color and then he looks like an Egyptian and I'm like that's cool They're allowed to do that you can make your character have Goku's eyes in an anime like video game and be like dude

[01:56:09] This is just Goku's face on

[01:56:11] One piece his body. I don't know any character for one piece, but it's like you're allowed to do that like unfortunately

[01:56:16] That's just what you're allowed to do and I wouldn't the final thing is that is so if if Pokemon company had a

[01:56:23] Case they would have already use AI to be derivative.

[01:57:42] Well, it's like, well, you clearly don't fucking like games

[01:57:45] then because if that's the truth and that's on Xbox now, and Xbox has like the best argue, like not even arguably hands down the best multiplayer infrastructure in gaming today. And so people are, it's really easy for them to play together and do all this stuff. So there's comparisons on like how much money Nintendo is losing in terms of like, you know, using Kida, having their copyright being infringed upon

[01:59:00] except the copyright in my view,

[01:59:02] not that I'm an attorney or anything.

[01:59:04] From my assessment, it doesn't really,

[01:59:05] there doesn't seem to be any smoking gun here. like power I think that's totally fine and you can see this you can come from an artist point of view and be like This is gross though How much they are taking from this and I do agree is a little gross But I can't shoot Pikachu with a musket and I can do that in this game So it is like there's just a completely different experience that we're here that we're having with these two separate IPs

[02:00:20] And you can't have an entire base of cheap Pikachu's be your slaves to go mine or so you can make more guns

[02:01:24] like have leaned into the idea of it being like a goofy ass meme game a.k.a. you can catch humans and have a base full of yes do what you want to do

[02:01:29] without being able to leave and I have a pen that you have this like you can

[02:01:34] build a thing that is a pen where you can display your favorite Pokemon

[02:01:37] if they don't get hungry anything I have a fucking human pen a penitentiary if you

[02:01:42] will and I am catching I'm catching I was like, what do I do now? What do I do now? It's too late. How do I get rid of that? How do I release it into the wild? But yeah, so it's I don't know.

[02:03:00] There's this other link here.

[02:03:01] I don't know if you guys really want to kind of dig into it.

[02:03:04] It's the one.

[02:03:05] Do you know who this streamer is, Naive?

[02:03:06] It's the second link with and life is it is that's not obviously what they did but like You you you you feel for those people but at the same time. This is what he's saying the customer in general Just doesn't care about the artist's perspective I think he also holds this this purview But he's saying specifically that the consumer doesn't and you can look at the nine million copies of this game

[02:04:23] So that go yet apparently the customer doesn't fucking care if the if the artists are clearly stealing something from other that's complicated. I just wish that like, I mean, like, I think it's way, way, way, way too much to ask for a reasonable, like, logical discourse on Twitter specifically these days. Like, I feel like in the past three or four years or ever since Elon Musk takeover just has turned into even worse dumpster fire than it already was. But I think like to a degree, like the conversation is almost less about nothing wrong with it like Xbox and Activision if they want to buy each other than fucking whatever its companies But everybody but not everybody most people who were in that point in that camp We're looking at this going people are going to get fired like that's just gonna have sure I think the reason is gonna be a lot of it's gonna be duplication and roles for sure

[02:07:02] I think that people have largely said though and just specifically if you're utilizing. And I think that's where a lot of people are playing double advocate with I completely understand that and I am, you know, I'm a software engineer by trade. That's what I do. So like this whole AI conversation is something that, you know, I've, I've been seeing go on for, for a long time and, and I have, my takes are probably not the most popular amongst people,

[02:08:23] but they're very popular amongst software engineers.

[02:09:22] for people who lose their job. But I would hesitate to say that there has been very many people who have lost their jobs

[02:09:28] due to AI.

[02:09:30] And the people who have lost their jobs because of AI, it's their bosses fault really, because

[02:09:35] they don't understand how AI should be used.

[02:09:38] And if you will run a company and you fire your people because you're like, oh, I'll

[02:09:41] just get chat GPT to do it, you're going to realize very quickly, you don't have the

[02:09:44] skills necessary to take what you want. Does it on him? Does it on him? Does it on him? Did they have the fucking shit in like a three step program? Like right there? Like a print out on the thing. Yeah. What do you do not use? I mean if it's military standard usually they print the instructions on the inside of the panel.

[02:11:00] So it's like you open up the control panel and it's right there.

[02:11:02] Dude, that shit is in a cave in the middle of Spain.

[02:11:05] That is that is an Iron Man one movie situation where it's like they hobbled that shit together world clone of like, hey, they made a rolling sheep. And I'm like, oh, I loved rolling sheep. Wulu and Pouleux has a Gatling gun. Yeah. I love more rolling sheep. Like I'm glad to see more of that. Is this isn't gonna make the same thing as a game? Odds are, no, I don't think so. I don't even think they're paying attention. Like I assume someone is looking somewhere,

[02:12:21] but at this point, Nintendo's able to just like

[02:12:24] crank out a yearly Pokemon, whatever, an eldritch horror monster build of what a Pokemon game should be. It's a problem too because it's been that way for fucking decades. It's the same people that buy every single Madden, every single FIFA, every single The Last of Us when it gets remastered, every single game. Hold on. I want to get my upgrade. I want to get my upgrade, Dave. I want to play no return. This is the thing. Okay. So people have been asking me about this.

[02:13:40] I don't.

[02:13:42] My stance is loosened a little bit on The Last of Us.

[02:13:44] But it's so annoying that God of War you yeah like crafting materials big Ubisoft energy yeah yeah Capcom's huge on that shit if it has been for a long time they sell like orbs and Devil May Cry 4 still then I buy them so it's like I'm part of the problem there but I fucking love it like there it's just everyone's got their fucking thing that they're

[02:15:02] they're contributing to right I'm and said that like the game freak

[02:16:22] devs in like the Pokemon TGA or whatever came forward and was saying that they are making millions of dollars and that's why they keep pumping them out because the consumer just doesn't care they just want slop they just want it like that it's just entertainment to be entertained the post that he's making it like it it's like a situation where it's like both is true at the same time where it's like yes the effect of the medium that is being portrayed here whether it's a marvel movie or it's a pokemon game or it's pow world ripping off pokemon like the effect is is that the consumers are

[02:17:43] going to buy the game and they're going to play it and they're going to have a

[02:17:45] good time that doesn't make the everybody's gonna, even if they side with you, it doesn't mean that they're gonna make the steps necessary to solve it. And one of these examples would be when Photoshop and digital art was coming onto the scene. I'm old enough to remember when this wasn't really a thing back in the day.

[02:19:00] And there was a lot of discourse thing and then it goes. Yep. I'll pull that out

[02:20:23] I'm like yeah

[02:20:24] Thank you

[02:20:24] I didn't want't do that, unfortunately, but that's the, I think that I'm thinking of. You can have AI implemented in your games

[02:21:41] in a net that go away.

[02:21:42] And I think that a lot of people,

[02:21:43] when they see AI and video game,

[02:21:44] they get instantly angry.

[02:21:46] And like, because it never gonna go away,

[02:23:00] but things are always changing.

[02:23:01] And I think that people are just naturally scared of change.

[02:23:04] And AI is naturally scary,

[02:23:06] because it is not out of a job, but it was the artist that used that AI to create it. So it's like, where is the line?

[02:24:21] There's a lot of nuance here that I think is missing.

[02:24:23] Yeah.

[02:24:24] I mean, goddamn, that show was absolute fucking dog shit. Generated generiffs like and it was fucking awesome like there would be fucking 500 people all it's a live stream that just goes on for days And it is just constantly procedurally generating generiffs and every now and then it almost always sucked But every now and then there'd be a really juicy riff and everyone the whole time like oh shit I was here. They made a good one and but on top of that. I love AI visuals

[02:25:42] I think that it's so cool, especially somebody who's really into psychedelics

[02:25:45] there's this band called King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard and

[02:26:43] mixed with like Geiger mixed with mixed with Junji Ito.

[02:26:45] Like there's so much insane imagery

[02:26:48] constantly going around throughout

[02:26:50] they move below by Meshuoka.

[02:26:52] And it's something that I watch all the time,

[02:26:54] especially when I'm like on an edible or something.

[02:26:56] I just get lost in it.

[02:26:57] And every time I watch it,

[02:27:00] I just think about how AI can be embraced as a tool

[02:27:03] to creatively express yourself as a human.

[02:27:06] Because in the end, you know, the little peninsula that has like little fortress right down the hill from where you start the game.

[02:28:22] I made it there twice in his crash both times.

[02:28:26] And so I'm like, I guess I'm done because assume it's going to be separate servers because of the hardware. So Xbox is going to use their own internal servers, and that's why you can't have dedicated servers on the Xbox. And then Steam will use the Steam servers. Gotcha. That makes sense. But yeah, I actually went to the PC Game Pass version

[02:29:43] of this game after I was like, oh, I'm crashing out here

[02:29:45] a little bit.

[02:29:46] Let me go and check out the Game Pass version Most of my games like a lot of the games that I do play on game passes on the PC game pass version and generally speaking painting with Broadstress, I've had a wonderful experience with so many games. I played Signales that way no issues at all. I played other like indie games with small Small dev teams and probably not a lot of budget for like ongoing performance updates

[02:31:00] And it's it performed wonderfully

[02:31:02] So it's just I mean of course if this is a new thing and I get the sense Those two have parity and there are also multiple things behind. I think that makes it difficult to make sure the PC Game Pass specifically is working properly since it has to have parity with the Xbox because they have cross play. That was probably something that Microsoft forced upon the dev, where the PC Game Pass and the Xbox version have to have cross play or something like that.

[02:32:21] I think that that probably is why the PC oh man, I'm trying to think the last thing unlocked, the grappling hook was the last thing I was in a rock. Oh, yeah, that was so much. There is so much in this game. It's cool. And I was like, hey guys, let's go kill the first boss.

[02:33:40] Let's go kill this electibus with a Gatling gun.

[02:33:44] And they're like, well, we're not strong enough yet.

[02:33:46] I'm like, come on, let meta hack for anybody who's made it to two hours and 40 minutes in this episode is that really, and Dave and I agree on this, we aligned, like building the basis is fun and it is like really engaging and I enjoyed a lot about it because there's so much you can do. You can build up higher work benches, you can create a little farm, you can throw certain pals in there that will dig up pals

[02:35:02] fears and arrows for you to do in that initial gameplay through. But the real meta is just Particle effects flying across the screen everywhere. There's really really cool interesting moments that happened in this game It's just really funny video on Twitter where this guy said he said I got rated in power I almost cried real tears and then the video is him watching his bass burned down

[02:37:42] Yeah, and like the player traverse I spirit bomb. It's like a spirit bomb literally. And so they're really, really cool. There's emergent gameplay that's here. The boss battles are fun. I beat the first boss. You know, when Melissa was in my party last night and we were playing and doing all that fun stuff. And it's just like, it's really interesting because I was looking at tips and stuff online about how like optimize your party or stuff or like how to like, you know, engage in

[02:37:46] combat. base thing because that's probably one of the most interesting parts of the game is that you can make the base and as You level up the base you get more slots we get up to 15 I think there's more on PC like for steam But like it's limited to 15 right now And it's that's as high as I would want to go anyway because man the game gets really crunchy when you get rated And there's 15 yeah, 15 different particle effects happening

[02:39:00] It's crazy

[02:39:01] But what I really like about this game is that each them a little sauna, a little hot tub, and they go and they soak in the hot tub. Like there's some little things. Who was the, you see a little fuzzy, I don't know, an animal Pokemon just going there.

[02:40:20] I see my deer Pokemon all the time,

[02:40:21] just chilling with his head poking out of there.

[02:40:23] And it's honestly, there's some really cute stuff.

[02:40:26] And there are really, really cute designs more more. Yeah. Let's up the animal. I love getting them like so you can upgrade and I think that was nave was referring to literally hit they have special attacks. Some of them are mounts. So you can craft some mounts for them. But some of them have like combat upgrades where like there's like a grookey clone that's in this game where you can give them a machine gun. Yeah. At some point like they're literally just running around and me I'm like doing

[02:41:43] this whenever like the humans raid the base. It is really fucking cool and we should put that into our like other more serious game right and that's my hope that's my my biggest takeaway from from Powerworld. I would really love Pokemon to have some sort of mechanic that got a bunch of your Pokemon out because that was something I didn't realize I liked so much until I want to go back to that

[02:43:02] base building when I had my 15 dudes walking around I told myself I was gonna read it. I didn't read a single one of those logs for the games. And I also think that like, the lore in this game doesn't fucking matter. Like there is no story in this game. You're just leveling up, you're doing the Pokemon thing. But yeah, there is a lot of fun to be had here.

[02:44:22] A lot of capital F fun to be had here.

[02:44:23] And I feel like that people just needed kind of like the feeling of seeing all your dudes like defend your base with their lives. There's something really silly about that. But the Dungeons, they're all, it is the same dungeon every time. So that's kind of boring. But then you have the towers, which is the main, the end goal of the game. That's the story and quotes is going around basically challenging the gyms.

[02:45:40] What I really wish, there are little villages.

[02:45:42] There's like two as far as I've seen.

[02:45:44] There's like little villages where there's a whole new pal that I've never seen before. Sometimes it looked very similar to other, like, Pokemon, but sometimes it didn't, right? And so, like, what is this giant creature? What level is it? Can I catch it? Like, what's going on? And, you know, when I found the first village, I was like, there's a village in this game?

[02:47:03] Like, it was so, like, every if you die, you drop all of your loot and gear. Yeah. Dude, it would be so funny if I like Russian roulette

[02:48:20] and then you're gone.

[02:48:21] Like, yo, your gear falls down.

[02:48:25] Like it, RuneScape, all your shit falls in the floor.

[02:48:27] All right, so it says, game like real fishing three. Oh, asking the hard questions. Like a fishing mini game in power world. No, just a game in general. Oh, no, there's a lot of fish games on game pass. I think there's three different ones that I've been pressuring their bad play. They're fucking bad. The national fishing league. I mean, the best fishing game by far is just dredge

[02:49:41] and everybody else to fucking play that game ASAP.

[02:49:44] Dude, there is a fucking Count Dankula video of a guy who was cheating.

[02:50:42] fun about like just, I don't know. And also when the game game was like Black Bass Adventure or something like that, where

[02:50:48] it was like Pokemon.

[02:50:49] It was like a JRPG but for fishing where you had like real like your options were just

[02:50:55] like Pokemon where you had like four little boxes in there.

[02:50:57] I'll have to pull it up, but it was literally a fishing JRPG.

[02:51:02] That sounds tight.

[02:51:03] Like Shin Megami Tensei but with, oh my god.

[02:51:06] It doesn't matter. do a lot of work. I don't always have that much time. I don't play a lot of survival games, but I enjoy this. I'm probably going to leave it installed actually, but I'd say it's a recommend. It's on game pass. Why not? Yeah, three, I had one thing we forgot to talk about is that like whenever you go to different, when you play with different people, you have different character, like similar to rust. Like when you play, when you go to different servers and rust, you have to start

[02:52:22] from scratch again. Like this game is a lot from rust. Yeah, interesting. It's all similar mode where you drop all your loot when you die and well by the way Phillip I fixed that so I turned that off I was like no one would drop when you die that's so fun so never fun but um like you can do all kinds of different like little tiny tweaks to your game to make it your own full accessibility options for people who are like yeah kids or old people or people who don't understand

[02:53:41] these these mechanics in games so it's wonderful I know I cranked up like the

[02:53:44] resources and building time and stuff like that and then I joined naves and whatever she wants to do and I was like in my bed just laying there like just trying to not freak the fuck out You can't make the game extreme cakewalk But like you can speed things up So if you don't like the grind if you don't like waiting for things to be complete There's another thing too is that you can have pals in your base that specifically work on workbenches whenever you're like

[02:55:01] I want 500 gunpowder here and then you just fuck off and it's basically the same whenever they fully release it as some people tend to do. But I do recommend it a lot.

[02:56:21] I even recommend purchasing it on Steam if that's because Steam is the most up-to-date

[02:56:25] and it's also the of places that you can just establish a base. Whenever you first spawn and every time you die, there are multiple spawn points. And so the way the game works is the way the level scaling works is the closer you get to the center, the higher the level everyone becomes, and then also there's the spots where the towers are at and that's the highest level places. But you can spot, there's a bunch of different areas

[02:57:41] where you spawn and everyone's level one and you can start out. So it seems like it would be a player with a smattering of me jumping into Navy Melissa's world as well as most coming into mind. And so that's been really, really fun and having people there. I will say that just like a bulk of my time though has been playing solo and just juggling all the mechanics that they throw at you. But in terms of a gaming together focus on Power World, this is a must recommend and this is a good co-op game.

[02:59:01] So yeah, that is a huge takeaway that I think all listeners need to kind of be mindful

[02:59:06] of and give it a can do. All right. And with that, I want to thank our dear listener for hanging in with us so long this week talking about power world. It's a surprisingly serious episode. Yeah, there's a lot of serious comments. I did it

[03:00:24] again. I did it again. Sorry, boys. Well, maybe we can all be pals together next