G&C Podcast - Episode 222: The Long Awaited Attack on Titan Retrospective! (ft. Matt, Jared, and Slade)

[00:00:00] Hey everybody! On this episode of Gaming And Collecting, we are joined by Jared from Playalong Podcast, Slade from Driveway Studios, and Matt from Geek Addicts to talk about Attack on Titan in a full retrospective. Basically, they bullied me into watching it, and we're gonna have a fun discussion on it. But anyways guys, on with the episode.

[00:00:40] So, this has finally happened. Gampion. Attack on what now? Attack on Bill, that's really what it is. Attack on Bill. Many bullies from Bill. There's your episode title, Bill. Attack on Bill. The Collector of Bullshit. That's just my new tagline now.

[00:01:09] So, hi everybody! Welcome to Gaming and Collecting. This has been a long time coming. I think we had hyped this up all the way back in Season 2, or no, 3. I don't remember when. It was a while. So, I got bullied into watching Attack on Titan. Yes. As one should. As one should. And I thought it would be a perfect time to get the round table back together, minus a game.

[00:01:38] I'm not really sure if he's watched Attack on Titan or not. But, I knew for this we needed to get the full gang back together. So, we have once again, fellow GNC co-host Matt from Geek Addicts. How you doing Matt? Doing well. We got Slade. How you doing Slade? I'm doing good. I'm excited to be here finally. Finally, finally.

[00:02:09] Yeah. Oh boy. But, as I say in every episode, how you guys been otherwise? Like... It's been a while. Yeah, I'm sure it has been a while, huh Bill? Yeah. I mean... Yeah. We certainly didn't record last night or anything. Yeah, I know. It's been a minute. When was the last episode that I was on? I think I was on... Were you drafting anime or doing our top 10 or something? I think it was the round table. Top 10? Yeah.

[00:02:37] The last time I was out here was... What was it? It was just like, what have we been watching that year? Yeah, the year-end roundups that... Yeah. We've made a tradition, I guess, now on this channel. That was a great episode, by the way. It was great to listen. Thanks for watching, man. We gotta have you on the next one and just make this the official anime group. Just the official anime panel here. Yeah. Who wins the Weeb Award? I won last year.

[00:03:06] Is there a Weeb Award? Do you have a Weeb Award? We do need to make one at this point. We'll work out that one again. You should 3D print something and have an actual Weeb Award that you send people. What would it even look like? It would be the... It'd be their bit emojis, like Alex and... Alex and those bit emojis, like a little statue. The giant mason jar. You know you know. She'd just be the crunchy old girl with big sparkly eyes. Yeah. There you go. There you go. In a mason jar. Not the mason jar, though.

[00:03:37] Have you seen the Doki Doki Literature Club, like Nendroid of Yuri, that has the perfect face? Yeah. I haven't seen this. Okay, hold on. I look this up. There's a Nendroid of Yuri from Doki Doki Literature Club. One of the faces, like her like shocked embarrassed face. And all I... The first time it came out, someone immediately commented, perfect face for the jar. And I was just like, no. I've said before, like where my...

[00:04:04] All my figures are in the very back, there's a mason jar. There's nothing in it, but it's for the joke for people who know they get it. And I have a figure of Levi standing on top of it to guard the jar. As it should. As it should. As it should. Oh boy. So we've been planning this, but I don't even know where to begin. Like... Oh, I know. There's a lot. There's a lot to cover. That's fine. It doesn't matter. The story is a loop so we can start in a layer. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Pretty much.

[00:04:34] It's a bootstrap paradox. Yeah. Yeah. So I will say, watching it for the first time this year, I have to say immediately, I watched it using the Blu-ray sets, which have that really wonderful marathon mode. So you can just fly right through it. The only downside is you only hear the intros like once every time, but... Oh, the intros are so... That is definitely a downside with this show. Yeah. I was like, these have banger openings. Every season is like almost a 10 out of 10. They're all so good. Yeah.

[00:05:04] And then like the different variations of essentially the same one that just changed like the animation and the action. Yeah. Yeah. So I will say for this challenge that I had put on myself, I watched season one, two, three, all the OVAs, four, and the junior high show as a palate cleanser. And I honestly, that, that left me more confused than a lot of people.

[00:05:31] I made him watch it because he needed to watch the full spectrum of Attack on Titan. Yeah. Well, stay, stay tuned because at some point in the future, we will be covering the live action on our show. Oh, oh, oh, oh, I'm sorry, Bill. Yeah. I mean, we've seen worse. Probably. It's not, it's not good. I'll just let you know. But I'll let them know. But there's some very quotable lines in that. True.

[00:06:02] Yeah. So everyone knows my history with Attack on Titan. I guess we should go around and like, what's everyone else's history before we get into this? So I guess we'll go around the room. I guess, Alex, Jared, Slade, Matt. That works? Yeah. Sweet. All right. Yeah. I, I started watching it when it first came out. Yeah. Like I remember I was either in end of high school or beginning of college.

[00:06:28] Cause I distinctly remember watching it in my dorm and having some dorm watch party sometimes. Cause one of my roommates was pretty chill and she also really liked the Attack on Titan. So we'd watch it together. But yeah, so I've been kind of watching it as it came out. The only time I kind of pause was just some of the big gaps between season three and four where there was like a significant time period. So it took me a little bit to get back into it, but seasons one, two, and three, I watched like ever, as soon as they all came out.

[00:06:58] And then season four, I kind of started watching other stuff. I mean, you know, one piece is really great. I just have to say. One piece is amazing. Go watch one piece right now. If you have it. Yes. Yes. But then there was just other stuff and just also life. So didn't have as much free time to watch it. But then I finally got back into it, had watched most of season four and then realized that there was going to be a break before the movies came out. And then I was like, I'm just going to wait.

[00:07:26] And then I waited like a year and that finally finished it last year. Yeah. Well, they kept, they kept teasing. They were like, all right, it's over. It's like, no, it's not like, no, it's not just final season. Part two, part three. Yeah. 20, exactly. Part 20. Yeah. Yeah. But was a fan for quite a while. And still am a really big fan. It's great show. It makes you, I don't know, all over the place of emotions, but it's great. Geez.

[00:07:56] Yeah, exactly. Yeah. For myself, very similar to Alex. I watched this when it first came out, which the first episode dropped on September 28th of 2013. Um, I do remember watching it then. Yeah, I know. Crazy. That came out 12 years ago. So I was in high school. I was a senior in high school. Holy shit. Same. That's crazy. Uh, yeah. So I remember watching it with a friend and I, I think there was a couple episodes out by the time I started watching. Cause he put me onto it. He's like, dude, this show is great. We've got to watch it.

[00:08:26] I watched the first couple episodes and I remember just Googling attack on Titan. Just like, Oh man, this is great. I want to, I want to know more about this. And the first Google image is all of like the Titan shifters and who they are. So I immediately got spoiled of like a lot of the stuff pretty early on. Yeah. I mean, it's, I still enjoyed the show. Right. And then I took a large gap kind of like Alex. I, I think the second and third season ended up coming out. And then whenever like the bulk of it came to Netflix, I watched a lot of it.

[00:08:54] Then, um, and then when it comes to the fourth season, I had got COVID and I, when that season kind of dropped or when that first part of that season ended and I just binged through the whole first part of it, I hadn't watched season four yet. So I just binged all of season four while I was deaf and ill in bed. Um, and then yeah, when the, the last part came out, I watched that as well with the buddy and I didn't watch any of the movies or anything like that. That was just the last section, right? That movie was just like the last ending part.

[00:09:23] The one that just came out. Yeah. Yeah. The one that just came out. Yeah. Yeah. Basically like parts three and four, just put the other and the theatrical run like length, uh, different post credits, which were neat. Yeah. Yeah. I remember that. Um, but yeah, but like, like Alex, I liked from the jump. It's great. It's a rollercoaster of emotions. I, I love it because it, it, it plays around with morality and it plays around in the morally gray kind of, kind of in between that. I love, I think the mixed carriage is really interesting where they don't kind of just

[00:09:52] fit into one hole and one personality to kind of blend between that. So it's, it definitely stands out for sure. Nice. Yeah. So Slade, I know you guys might say, I forgot the order. I was waiting to see if Matt was. I knew it was Matt was next. Or Slade. Immediately. Uh, so I watched the entirety of the first season when it came out. I was like a sophomore in college, watched the whole thing, ended up getting busy with school and whatnot and work. And then I kind of fell out of anime for a bit and then it popped up on Netflix.

[00:10:22] I was like, Oh yeah, I remember this. This was cool. Started it over from the beginning and then just been straight through it. And then was weekly immediately after that with all the releases. In fact, uh, we used to have attack on Titan watch party nights here at my house. Ooh, nice. We're coming out. So it was like every Sunday night, like six or seven people would come over here and take over my living room and we'd watch all the parts together, which is really good. And it was, uh, it was nice to be in a room with close friends and like watching

[00:10:51] the, uh, the last episode and seeing people cry and everything. And it was just like, Oh, it's such a good bonding moment. Nice. Yeah. I want to say it was around like mid 2016. I was a little bit later getting into the first season cause I had heard of it and I'd seen it like around, but I never actually checked it out. And, uh, I I'm, I'm still trying to figure out whether it was a good thing or a bad thing that I, because like, I didn't have that like big gap between season one and season two. Yeah.

[00:11:21] But I also had like the, okay, I watched season one. Right. And then it was like, okay, I get what this show is about. And then like almost immediately. That mentality in season one is hilarious. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So like almost immediately, like maybe like six months after I watched season one, season two started coming out and I was watching week to week ever since. But like, that was the point where I was like, Oh, I really have no fucking clue. There are multiple points in this series. I was like, that mentality. I have an idea.

[00:11:51] No, I don't. No, I don't. And then by season four, you're just like, I don't care. I give up. Just, I don't care. No, I don't care. No. Um, so I will say as someone who watched the entire thing in one go. Yeah. Probably honestly for me was better because I would have been infuriated if I was watching this like weekly. Yeah. Well, see, I was actually, I was actually going to make the argument that I feel like, yeah, I feel like watching it all at once kind of does it a disservice because part of

[00:12:20] part of the, part of the, the draw of attack on Titan and what makes it so good, like as it was happening was the, the kind of community of it, you know, like getting together, like having the conversations at the end of every week with your friends who also are watching it and stuff like that was part of the big, the big hype behind it. Yeah. And then the other part, which comes later is eventually you're going to rewatch it and you're just going to be so mad at how obvious the foreshadowing is. That's what I was telling Bill before recording is I'm now doing a rewatch with my wife cause she had never seen it.

[00:12:50] And I only, I only did one full watch through one time. So I've only watched it all the way front to back once and just seeing like the little hints and the little nuggets they plant early on is, is so fun. It's such a fun rewatch. And it's it. Oh, it'll drive you up the wall. Cause I did the same thing with my fiance and it's like in, and here's the thing for like, and I guess, can we go ahead and say spoilers? I was going to say it. Like, I guess I'll say it now. If you haven't watched attack on Titan, stop.

[00:13:17] Go binge all four seasons of it and then come back and listen. Then come back. We're going to spoil this thing. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm going to tell you right now, Bill, there's an important spoiler in like the first frame of the show. Yeah. I don't know where they mentioned it earlier. And I went back and watch season, some of season one. I went, son of a bitch. Yeah. It's not like that, but they show you the world map in the title card. Yeah. I noticed that.

[00:13:43] And I was like, when you showed that thing with, with, with Aaron appearing in season one, I was like, no, no, no, no, no. I went back to watch and I was like, yeah, I, we were, we were talking before the recording. That was one thing that I, I saw like a YouTube video or something. Someone said that now it's like, oh, surely not. Right. That's not, that's not a thing. Right. And yeah. Going back and watching the first season, like him showing up there is, is insane. It's so crazy.

[00:14:09] It's the same as in like the first three seasons, whenever you see like the two birds flying by. Yep. Yep. That's yeah. It's just a Zeke and Aaron hanging out. Yeah. And it's so, it's so frustrating. Like I was telling them before we started, but when I finished season three, cause I, I like binged every season in a day pretty much when I, that's all awesome. When I finished the season three, I remember posting it in our discord and I just remembered the slate's comment.

[00:14:35] Ah, you finished the good ending in my, excuse me, sir. I can't imagine absorbing all that information in a day. I think that was kind of the benefit of having the gaps. Cause like, like Matt was saying, the kind of theory crafting, I can kind of like sit with a lot of these things and think through it a little bit. If I had all that just dumped on me, I feel like I would spiral. Every episode is so jam packed with, with information and just, just constant mystery. Like you really need to have that time to sit and just kind of let it soak.

[00:15:05] Well, what was fun about watching it in marathon mode is when certain things would happen, it would throw you off the guard. Like there's this very specific moment in season three where I was watching marathon mode and marathon mode usually skips the credits and all of a sudden it's like, why are the credits playing here? And then all of a sudden the screen starts glitching out and I'm like, what the fuck is going on? Yeah, that happened. I was like, okay. And then it showed, we, we get there in the next episode and I'm like, oh, this is not

[00:15:35] what they hyped it up to be at all. That's crazy. Is that a specific mode where like, does it just play through the episodes like back to back? Okay. Cool. It cuts all the openings and outros and just kind of goes in one straight go. It gives you, it gives you the first opening for like the first episode and then it just plays the episode straight through with no credits. Gotcha. Well, what happened was like, I was sitting there and I'm like, why are the credits playing? Like there's still a couple more episodes on this DVD or Blu-ray and all of a sudden that started happening. And I was like, okay. Help. I'm scared.

[00:16:07] It's just like, oh, hi, Levi. What are you doing here? Like, like the idea, Bill was like, do I have a nightlight after seeing this? What are we doing? When did I start playing Doki Doki with you? Exactly. You just start talking to you. Hi, Bill. It's been a minute. Do you have your ODM gear? Do you have your ODM gear ready and prepared? I'm hoping you get plenty of gas. I personally, I think, I think I was a little infuriating for you guys to have to listen to my reactions to things. No, it was fun.

[00:16:36] It was fun. It was so fun watching like watching all, like you react to everything else that was happening. It was so funny. If you look through me and Alex's texting like chains when I was watching this, there's a lot of comments for me being like a person went squish. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of people go squish in this. The best part too is like, we would chat like usually at the beginnings of our podcast and be like, okay, how's an attack on Titan going? And you'd be like, yeah, this person died. And I laughed when they got slammed into a tree and I was like, Bill. Bill. Oh yeah.

[00:17:07] I should tell the story about, about Aaron's not Aaron, Levi's team. How I completely shat over that scene. Oh no. This happened multiple times. He shat over many seats. Well, cause this show is such a rollercoaster of emotions. I had a very hard time getting attached to most characters in this show. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Well, cause season one basically told me, oh, don't get attached to anybody. Cause anyone can die at any moment. Yeah. That is, that is a good mentality to have for sure. That's one to have.

[00:17:36] So honestly, that kind of did you a favor. Yeah. In the long run. Well, I did get attached to characters and that shit sucks. I will say the one character I legitimately got a dear to when she dies in season four, it fucking broke me. Oh no. Cause I was like, I was like, oh, of course the one character I fucking liked. The one comic relief character. Fuck. They could have killed fucking Krillin. Anybody. Anyone in the other. Krillin? He looks like Krillin. He's bald. That's all my thoughts.

[00:18:06] Or Connie. Connie. His name does have like a CK sound. So I mean, I just saw it and I was like, oh, it's Krillin. I was expecting him to die because I was like, oh, he's the Krillin of this series. I see. Nope. Oh man. Poor Connie. Yeah. Did it hit extra hard when she comes back as a ghost to like comfort them? Yeah. I was like, but I go into that scene with Levi's team. Now to go. I was like, oh, I'm going to go up.

[00:18:35] The whole reason that was funny. I found that more amusing than I probably should have was the fact that like, they're just like beating down on Aaron the entire time. And then I'm like, they're all going to die in a brutal fashion because I can already see where this is going. Yeah. And the reason I thought that the one girl in the team was funny was just because like she gets like impacted into a tree. Yeah. And then I'm like, oh, that's got to hurt. And then it just cuts to her face and her head is just like jacked up. And I'm just like, I saw it and literally in my head, I just went.

[00:19:05] Oh, I mean, no, I kind of get it right. It was the hardest cut. Like they just show her for a split second. I'm just like, oh, she did. And like, let's be real. The way she got slammed into that tree, she should have been pulp. Oh, absolutely. The reason that made it even funnier was then when they're trying to escape with the bodies and they're like, we have to throw the bodies. It's too heavy. The one that he throws off is her. It just cuts to her rolling down the hill. And I'm just like, like, why is this a comedy for me? Why is this making me laugh?

[00:19:35] This is Bill's psychopath test. Yep. He failed. So Bill, here's my question. What was the biggest plot surprise? Because there's a bunch of them that go through the show. That's a good one. There's a bunch that go through the show. Yeah. Or favorite. Like what was the one you enjoyed the most too? Yeah. Like plot twist or maybe surprise that you weren't ready for. So the first big surprise to me was.

[00:20:00] So I was spoiled to the fact that Aaron becomes a Titan very early on because I bought all the Blu-rays before I watched the show. And like pretty much shows him as the Titan most of the time on all of that. So it's like the cover of a volume of the final season. The first first Blu-ray set is literally him that iconic image of him over the wall. Yeah. I'm like, I'm like, okay, well, that's not a surprise. I didn't realize how early in the series that actually happened immediately. Yeah. And I was like, oh, okay.

[00:20:26] I'm like, and then I was like sitting there going like, oh, I get the Kaiju number eight comparisons now. Yeah. I was like, okay. So that was the first major one. Then the reveal that other people could do that. Cause I remember texting Alex. I was like, wait, so it was just everyone to tighten in this series. And I was just like, no comment. Yeah. I still think the biggest one for me though was, um, so it then kind of started clicking me.

[00:20:55] I'm like, oh, so the colossal Titan and the, the armored Titan, those must be people too. And I'm sitting here thinking the whole time, who, uh, the reveal that, um, I'm terrible at the names. Who's the armored Titan again? Reiner. Reiner. Reiner. Reiner. I was like, okay, that makes sense. When I saw a Bertolt was the colossal Titan. My literally reaction was this guy. Yeah. That's what's fun about him too. Cause he's very like, I mean, he's kind of tall, but he's kind of like gangly a little bit.

[00:21:22] He's not like, he's not too big, but him being like the largest Titan essentially is kind of a cool twist. Yeah. I just forgot about him. I was like, cause he was so like forgettable in the background and then it just, he appears I'm like, like him really? This guy. That reveal is one of my favorites in the whole show too, because it's so casual. It's so like, like if you weren't fully paying attention, you might've missed it. Yeah. Well, the characters in the show do. Yeah. The characters in the show also miss it. He's just like, what?

[00:21:49] Reiner just like casually brings up as they're walking across the wall and because I have a double take. Well, like, cause, um, I did notice like on rewatch, like you'd see Reiner and Bertolt talking in the background constantly. And I'd be like, yes. Yep. Just be pointing like, I'd be like right there. Yeah. Yep. I think that happens a lot though. Like when things are revealed and you're just like, oh, why didn't I think about that?

[00:22:16] Cause like Annie, when she was revealed as the feet, like, it all makes sense. But like, at the time you're like, you're like, oh wait, what? My favorite text to Alex was when it finally clicked with me and I, I just texted Alex. I'm like, is this blonde bitch, the female Titan? Is this blonde girl, the blonde Titan that looks like Annie? Is it? Is it? And I, I feel like I should have realized this. It's so obvious when you do figure it out, but like, you don't, don't connect the dots. Hmm. Yeah. Um, there was that one.

[00:22:45] Um, what was the other big reveal that like, I was like, what? Oh yeah. Yeah. The biggest, the biggest moment where I felt like the biggest asshole was when, uh, uh, Marco died the first time I did not give a shit in this list. I was like, oh no. And then once I found out how he died, I was like, I feel like shit. Well, I feel like, I feel like that's not as like non-valid. Cause like, yeah, you know, I feel like you end up feeling a lot more bad when you see like how it went down.

[00:23:12] Uh, cause like in the beginning, like everyone was kind of dying left and right. So you're just like, Oh no, person's fucking dead. Great. Um, but like, once you actually saw it, you're like, Oh, well that's fucked. Damn. Yeah. Well, in a lot of ways, I feel like Marco was a character who is specifically there for other characters to develop. It's more representative than anything else. Without Marco, we don't get John's character arc. You know, we don't get Reiner's psychic, psychic break. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:23:38] He was a character that was put in there to build off of other characters, to have character progression happen. Like you said with Reiner and kind of how his insanity started at that point and how he kind of slowly was questioning. Like, what am I doing? Like these people are now like my friends and I'm kind of going against them and they're not these crazy people that I was told they were for so long and everything. So yeah, Marco makes sense when you first saw Marco that you're like, I don't care about this guy, but it's cool that he has such an impact on other characters. Like his death does.

[00:24:03] Well, my, I have like a weird correlation between Marco and Maze Hughes, Fullmetal Alchemist. Like they kind of have a similar effect on the story. Yeah. Well, I was going to say like the reason, like the Marco thing to me, the reason why I was so just uncaring at the time was they had made that whole big deal about they first finally all get their like gear and they're like in the corpse and they have this whole big thing about like, this is our team. We're so cool. And then they all fucking die immediately.

[00:24:30] And I'm like back to back, including Aaron, which I was like, I was like, okay. So who's the main character again? And I was like, all right. So just that, that was when it kind of triggered with me. I was like, okay, no, don't get attached to anybody in this series. You can't do it. You can't do it. It was funny is when, when you mentioned that it actually reminded me that the first episode I saw was actually the girl, uh, the world, the girl saw the episode where you get me because his backstory, I think it was like a stream.

[00:24:59] It was like a, um, like adult swim stream or something. It just happened to be on. And that was the first episode I saw and I was really confused. Yeah. I mean, jumping in at that point, that feels like you'd be like, what is happening in this show? Yeah. And like the worst part about you seeing that first is that that's when they associate her with the praying mantis, like right there and then. Oh yeah. Yep. And it's like, fuck you attack. I'll die. I don't want to. You gave me all the answers. It just, I too dumb.

[00:25:28] I was too dumb to see it. Yeah. So for a little levity, what, who, what was everybody's favorite? Like out of all like the generic Titans, like they all had those very specific goofy designs. Which one was your favorite? Oh my gosh. Um, oh, I, I could tell you which it's maybe not of the main Titans, but of the, um, the abnormal Titans. Yeah. There's one that is, uh, designed after Bob Odenkirk. Yeah. And once you, uh, see that you just can't really unsee it.

[00:25:58] And it makes me just giggle. I love the one that like, he's got like his hands like this and he's just running around like this. Oh, his arms like his arms did. Yeah. Uh, I love the, love the short guy. The big head. He has like big, like eyes. That was great. I love him. He, he, the guy that smells real good. Yup. Yup. Yup. And then there's the ones that just have their hands flailing all the time running around. Yup. The pointy one. Yeah. Oh, pointy one at low.

[00:26:26] Why are they, why are they, oh yeah. Another reveal. The reveal that the fucking Titan that ate Aaron's mom was his dad's first. Yeah. Yeah. And then you find out Aaron's the one that's center. Yeah. But then you find out Aaron's the one that's center there. Jesus. The other thing that hits even more is if you go back and watch that in season one, you know, she says that her legs are crushed, but you can see her kicking and fighting against the Titan. Yeah. That she specifically just said that so they wouldn't try to save her or anything like that. Yeah.

[00:26:55] Hannah's going to gotten her out. I don't care. He could have. That was another death that hit me was when he died. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That was interesting. It's one of the few guys that like, you actually like got kind of endeared to. And then he just dies. It's like, like, oh, okay. We're not allowed to have any happiness. And then, you know, no, not at all. That's what you should. You should know right away. You cannot be happy. Even the ending. You're just like, well, the only time that's happy is that again, the end of season three, when they finally hit the ocean. Yeah.

[00:27:25] And you just say that was good. Credits. Undone. End of the story. They did it. I don't want to know anymore. That's it. You just do like the sitcom thing where it shows every character and where they are now. And that's all you do. And they're all dead. They're all dead. It's just a camera panning, panning through a graveyard. Like. Oh no. Oh no. I will say the biggest shock for me, like one moment that like this, the moment where I was like, what show? My reaction where I was like, what even is this show moment was when it's like, we're

[00:27:54] suddenly in Nazi Germany. And I'm like, where are we? Like what? Yeah. It was like, it was the, uh, the, the, the Scott, the was joke where it's like, did I miss a page? I think, I think everybody had that initial reaction to, uh, the beginning of season four where you're just like, who the fuck are these people? Where did the guns come from? Then you see old Reiner and you're like, oh yeah. Time skip. Time skip. Time skip baby. Zeppelins and shit. Yeah.

[00:28:22] I think the biggest shock to me was when you see Aaron in the time skip for the first time I didn't realize that was Aaron at first. Yeah. A lot of people didn't realize it. No, no. Majority of people that kind of missed it. Yeah. Cause he looks very different. He's missing, he's missing a leg or an arm. Yeah. Leg. Leg and eye. Yeah. That's right. And his, uh, eye color has changed again as well, which is. Oh, I did not. I did not catch that. That's crazy. Yeah. Aaron's eye color constantly changes through the, uh, entire like show.

[00:28:53] Well, I'm sure, uh, uh, having the coordinate probably has something to do with that because I mean, Uri has like the weird eye thing going on. And so did, um, uh, what's her name? Frida. Well, so the, the way it's like, I, and I tend to agree with this that I've seen is that everybody says it's a, uh, it's a story about how was it? It's a story actually about Makasa and it's being retold by Armin. And as Armin's getting older, he's forgetting what Aaron looked like in his eye color. And that's why there's the constant change. Interesting. That's kind of cool.

[00:29:24] Yeah. Well, no, it's a story about Aaron told from a cost perspective retold by Armin since he outlived. Yeah. Interesting. And it's just, as he's forgetting like little details about it, that comes in the, that's kind of cool. Hopefully that was the intention. They just didn't like forget to color his eyes. Like what was it? Oh, was he in season one again? Was it brown? I don't remember. They go, they go from like green to like this really, uh, it's still pretty, but it's like this gray color at like the final, the final scene.

[00:29:50] It also could like be reflective on his, his personality where he starts off very bright eyed and very hopeful. And as he goes through the show, you see that light slowly dwindle from him until the very end where it's just the, the state that he's in at the end of that show. That was a shocking revelation though. And like, I realized that like, you think the entire world is this like hell hole, but then you find it. No, it's just this one island. Yeah. I was just like, Oh, I don't know how to feel about that. You know, it's realistically it.

[00:30:18] So it's just the world map, like our actual world map, like flipped upside down and the island is supposed to be Madagascar. And some weebs over on Google have marked like the woods and where while Mario and Rose are supposed to be. Yeah. That's great. Wasn't it? And this is completely, I, this, I, this may be false as well. I don't know if this is true, but there was like a story of something similar happening with Madagascar where like people or slaves being sent to that island or sent over there for, for kind of a specific reason, almost kind of mimicking the, the events of attack on

[00:30:48] Titan sort of, but yeah. Yeah. Some point in history. I think that's right. Yeah. Yeah. There's definitely a, the author was definitely trying to say a lot of things with this show from what I noticed right away. Yeah. Hiccup. Well, I mean, just, just borderline, like I said in the beginning, just the changing up the, the watchers idea of who an antagonist and protagonist can be that, uh, that morally gray. And I think that's how like life is right.

[00:31:16] I feel like we all have that kind of in between if we're put in very specific situations, what would we do? What lengths would we go to like protect the people that we care about? And I feel like some anime tried to do that, but it still feels very like shown in a protagonist. It's all very happy and it's all very positive. But in this show, it's just like, no, no, like it, this is real. Like she is real. And Aaron's can do some messed up stuff to go to the lengths of protecting people he cares about too, which I think is, is interesting. It's really cool. I also, I prefer the morally gray, like character. Oh, it's way more interesting.

[00:31:45] It's like at the beginning, you're really rooting for like, you know, the people on the island and everything. And season four comes around and you're like, should I? Well, I'm pretty sure by season two, I was like, I side with the Titans. No, you were like, I'm on team Titan. Like the whole time he was on the team. Restart this bitch. We're done. Cause other than like Aaron and like Mika said, Arvin, most of the people in the wall sucked. That was like, well, then you just find out like everyone, everyone sucks.

[00:32:15] That's like, that's, that's the moral is like, everyone sucks. Everyone's terrible. Very true to life. Yeah. Cause I went through so many phases through the show where like, I don't know who to fucking root for at this point. And again, that that's what makes us more interesting of a story. If like, even now people are still like, did Aaron do the right thing? Do not do the right thing. Like everyone goes back and forth still between that. He did the right thing. Yeah. Oh wait, what's everyone's opinion? Did he do the right thing, Bill?

[00:32:46] Why won't you answer? Because the series ends so ambiguous. Like the end, there's no structure to this. We're all over the place. Yeah. Yeah. That ending scene of the, of the, the, the anime that fucked me up so hard. Cause the, yeah. A the fact that my theory that I'm like, okay, Mika says just her life sucks. Like that, that immediately just like hit me. I'm like, yeah. Oh my God. She's just legally not allowed to be happy. That's nice. It was in the contract when she was born.

[00:33:15] No happiness for this woman. But then when we had like the straight up Futurama time skip in the background where we just see the world completely just, it's like, ah, the cycle just never ends. It's just always shit. Yeah. The world. And then the implication right at the end, like the whole kind of like it up in the air where it's like, does it start again? Like, yeah. What are your thoughts on that everyone? It, it, no, it does start again because in, when they're fighting on Aaron's back when he's in the, uh, like doing the rumbling and everything and he's in the full attack Titan form.

[00:33:43] You can see that boy and the dog Titan on his back. Oh, interesting. I did not know. Oh, I mean, that was my inter, like at the end I was like, oh, it's just going to repeat and we're going to have attack on Titan too. Yeah. Electric. No, I had, I had that exact mentality of this is just like a vicious cycle. Like, and it never, it never does. And it never will.

[00:34:09] And, and you start getting that as you're going through the show, through all the seasons and everything like that, that this is just a cycle that repeats over and over again. Like I said, and the very ending that just implies it like, yep, this doesn't stop. It just keeps going. And then, uh, even Aaron says that while he's talking to Armand while they're just like walking and exploring the world where he's like, every time I've gone through this. Yeah. It ends up the same, which also implies that it's a perpetual loop forever. Yeah. I mean, Aaron having the ability to not only essentially see the past, but see the future as well. He knows it.

[00:34:38] Like this is something that just continues to happen. Like this is just a cycle that will perpetuate forever. Hmm. Yeah. I will say the one, so out of all the OVAs, like I thought the OVAs were pretty interesting, but one that fucked me up the most was the one, like the Mikasa one where it's like, ah, it's so she has this alternate reality where things go perfectly. Like everything goes much better. And I'm like, and she still ends up fucking miserable. I was like damn it. Even in her happy ending, she can't be happy. No, no. I, it's poor girl.

[00:35:07] The only like fun and like happy episode is an OVA and it's the cooking contest. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's, it's like the one slice of life episode and it's really off putting kind of for attack on Titan, but it's also a bit fun to see as well. Well, that's what kind of made this show different from a lot of shows that I've watched. It's like, there's this like just action or exposition exposition all the way through. There's like no downtime really that these characters really ever get, which is another like sense.

[00:35:35] Like, I feel like if I watched this all at once, if like these characters just would never get a break because I got a break in between not watching. I was like, oh yeah, they took a year off too. They took like two years off as well. But if you do a back to back, you're like, man, these guys just like, they don't catch a break. It is back to back. And even when it is like an exposition, uh, heavy episode bill, because you, the way you watched it, you didn't get to experience this. There's a, an episode in season four part two where it's like everybody it's, uh, the Marleyans and like the, uh, what's the?

[00:36:06] I'm lost for words. It's like Hange, uh, Levi and all them. They're having like a conversation in the woods and they're trying to sort this out and the episode skips the intro and then suddenly the credits roll and they're still like expositing the plan. Yeah. And I remember being in the house here watching it and we're all like what? That was it. Yeah. I think Marathon mode actually take took that into account because I remember I being like, what? Oh, interesting. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:36:33] Um, I will say like some of the reveals too, like, cause like there would be a lot of points where like, it would like lead you on to making one conclusion and then it would just completely throw you a loop later when it explodes. Absolutely. Like, uh, who's the, uh, the girl that becomes the jaw Titan in the middle? I forget her name. Ymir. Oh, uh, Ymir. Ymir's backstory. Like that was like, what? And I don't know what that was like, but because like it shows her get thrown off the wall, which we don't know about the, what the context of that wall is. Nope.

[00:36:59] And I'm like, so she fell off a wall, just became a Titan overnight, I guess. And then suddenly she's a shifter. Okay. I was like, that makes sense. Um, how, Oh, go ahead. And I was just gonna, and then you find out later what exactly actually happened there and how she actually completely derails the three infiltrators plot by accident. Yeah.

[00:37:21] So my question to you was going to be, uh, how, how'd you feel it was in season three when they reveal Marley for the first time and you get to really see like Aaron's dad and the owl and everything. How did this, what was your, you know, what was your thoughts on that? Um, it was a lot of mood whiplash because I was like, wait a minute. So I was like, I'm like, my brain's trying to put the, I'm like, at first I was like, is this a flash forward or a flashback? I was like, it was like a processing kind of thing.

[00:37:51] And then I was like, I was like a lot of like world war two, like elements coming in and I'm just like, okay. I'm like, I'm interested. Where are we going here? Um, and then the second I realized that was Aaron's dad, I was like, Oh yeah. I see now. Yeah. Well, we're made to believe that the world is, is big. I mean, even coming from the first season and talking about the walls, Aaron talks about like wanting to go see the rest of the world.

[00:38:18] Like you have the implication that the world is bigger, but even that area in season one still feels pretty large. So when you get that aspect and you get to peek behind the curtains of like, Oh, this is how the rest of the world lives. Like this is just the Titans and everyone here. Like this is their life kind of sucks. And this is how everyone else gets to live. And it's interesting to see kind of like those two side by side. Hmm. I also, I want to know for anybody else, uh, if this was as frustrating for y'all as it was for me that. We could figure out ODM gear.

[00:38:47] So, you know, you can zip across trees and everything, but not the internal combustion engine when you see everybody else has trains and cars and whatnot going on that, that drove me up the wall. But I saw that. Well, that, that was a part of the, the oppression of, of life inside the walls is the government was specifically putting a halt to all the progression of technology. That's why like once they overthrew the government and they found all this stuff, that's when they made the thunder spears. So they said, Oh, all this technology exists. People thought of this.

[00:39:15] They were just pushing us down and not letting us continue. Yeah. Cause well, you get a glimpse of that too. And like, what is it season one where Armin's parents were like trying to get out on the hot air balloon. Hmm. Hmm. Well, actually I was another like big reveal to like, I always remember like middle of season two. I want to say, uh, the reveal of the, uh, the talking, the, the beast Titan. Oh yeah. I was just like, I was like, I texted. I was like, Titans can talk question. Mark. And she was like, Oh, you found him.

[00:39:46] Um, yes. And then the reveal once Zeke first makes his appearance and I was, my brain was like already kind of putting process together. I was first, I was thinking like, was that Aaron's dad? And then I was like, no, he wasn't blonde, but then it hits me later. I'm like, Oh, that's why they look similar. Yeah. Yeah. That, that was going to be my question was, uh, did you also think it was Aaron's dad? Cause I think the whole internet, I think everybody, I also thought that too. I didn't, there was so much. Oh, I didn't, I didn't realize Aaron ate his dad for the longest time.

[00:40:13] Cause I was like, we figure out how like the Titan stuff works. Like, Oh, he straight up ate his dad. That's crazy. Yeah. And they practically told us that too. Like, uh, when, when Aaron and Yamir got taken by Reiner and Berthold and they're having that conversation as Aaron's passing out, like they basically explain it right then and there, but without explaining it. Yeah. Right. So like you easily could have picked it up from there, but it's one of those things where like, there's always so much going on that there's so many things that you just don't catch. And it's, and it's wild that they can do such subtle storytelling too.

[00:40:43] Yeah. Like, and, and, and play this out. Like this must've been a crazy cork board of like string attached, like theories when they were like, yeah, exactly. They must've worked backwards or something because like the little dots you can put in that are all over the place. Right. It'd be different if it was just like a couple of things in season one, but throughout the entirety of the show, if you watch it back, there's subtle hints to every event that's happening going forward, which is crazy. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Yeah.

[00:41:12] I wonder if like the crew, like animating it and like putting, putting the animate together almost had to like sign like, like NDAs or something because they must've known like, especially putting in those little pieces of like Aaron being in the background. Like they must've known like that was him. So I wonder if they were kind of told the story ahead of time to help them put it into the actual anime, but make it very subtle. Like that's what I wonder almost. Cause like, I feel like you might miss that.

[00:41:42] Sure. I had this image in my head of Isiaba just walking around Mapper and a wit just like with a whip in his hand. Like, you gotta put that there. Put that there. That's what you can't forget the birds. Don't forget the birds. Don't forget the birds. That is an interesting thought too, of just like, are they explained like context a little bit for these things when they're, when they're drawing or animating scenes because of like, does it help them with the prevalence of the scene? Like, Oh, here's the context for it and everything too. Yeah.

[00:42:12] Well, especially like, cause sometimes shows have to take liberties when it comes to animating them to translate it into animation. Sure. So I'm sure like some of the things, like maybe like the birds might've been cut out because maybe they didn't think that was such a impactful scene, but it was, but at the time they animated it, maybe, maybe it wasn't. Like the animators are also going through this like rollercoaster of emotions. Oh yeah. They're like, what is happening? As they're like animating it themselves. Yeah. I just have this strange thought of like, they're animating season one episodes and they're

[00:42:42] like, this guy looks a lot like Aaron. And then he's like, he knows too much. Let's post them a photo, but there is stuff they omitted. Like this is in the manga. Right. And yeah, this is in the manga. If you look at the red circle, there's two figures back there in the background. And then the animation, they're not there. They're missed. Oh yeah. That's interesting. Yeah. There's two figures on the street. That's when the whip came out after that.

[00:43:13] Yeah. I was like, fuck it up. So was anyone here? That was important. Was anyone here reading the manga around the same time it was coming out or. Uh, yeah, no, I was not, but I started reading it at the end of season three because I was like, I have to know. I have to know. I can't. Yeah. Okay. I did the same, but, uh, my wife would have divorced me if I read ahead. So I, I stopped. I've never, I've never read the manga. Yeah.

[00:43:43] I read it consistently. It was actually one of the first mangas I really read, but I read it online legally. Um, and I read it basically all the way up until the final chapter. And then I was like, I was like, Oh, I kind of, I don't know if I want to know what the ending is because at that point I was like, I kind of wanted to see it happen. So I never read the last, last chapter. I just never read it. So I should really go back and read it at some point.

[00:44:11] But yeah, I still can't believe shown shown and jump famously passed on a deck. I mean, hindsight, obviously you're like, that's, that's a fucking ridiculous like pass. Like what a, what a miss. But I mean, how, how would they know? I couldn't picture the pitch for this. Right. And you know, you're like pitching it to the board and they're like, so it's about humans versus Titans. And I was like, kind of. Yeah. Sure. Can you elaborate? No, no, no.

[00:44:39] It's like when, it's like when Robert Kirkman pitched the walking dead and he told them that there was aliens at one point. And then after he gets like 12 issues and he's like, there's no aliens. I was going to say, I actually, uh, one of my volumes of attack on Titan is, uh, signed by the English actor for, uh, captain Erwin. Oh, nice. And, uh, Patrick States. Yeah. He, uh, he didn't like the page. I got him to sign there. Cause it's the last time you see captain Erwin and it's him in ghost form.

[00:45:11] Yeah. Well, that's the thing too. It wasn't him. Yeah. As I watch most of my inmate sub, but this is one of them that has like a very good dub, like the dub in this. And there's some scenes too, like that scene with, with Armin or Erwin and everything where they're, they're charging the Titans and the rocks are being thrown at them. Like that is such like that speech that he does. The dub is so good. Like the dub is great in this. Especially when he gets like pick, you know, picked up and his arms getting bitten off. And he's just yelling, I said advance. God damn. Yeah.

[00:45:40] That was like, that was the scene where I was like, this is the fucking, I would ride into hell. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like where's my horse? I'll go. I'll go right now. I'll fight for you. One of my favorite, uh, captain. I think it's for everybody that for captain Erwin is him standing on the wall and just side. I, the fuck out of the armor. Titan. Like, I just, like, I got one arm and one sword. I will take you down. Yeah. The dub is fantastic. The dub is also, everyone in the dub does such a good job.

[00:46:10] Yeah. It was the role that made Bryce Papinbrook's career. Yeah. Pretty much. Even though he had a very long prolific career before this game, the lumpy of this movie that a lot of people forget. Uh, Bill, here's another one for you. Uh, when they, so in like season three, when you started, uh, I still argue red swans, like the best intro might be, I think it's the prettiest, just like the way it set itself everything, but you get into it and you meet, uh, the man who raised Levi.

[00:46:40] Yes. For the first time. And it's a shootout going on. Yeah. Were you ready for ODM gear with guns? Cause I was absolutely not. I was neither. Yeah. Yeah. I was kind of all there for it. Good old Kenny, the Ripper learning about the Ackermans and then realizing really like what, what was you guys reaction when you realized that Levi and Misaka were related? I kind of thought like the whole time I kind of thought it. Yeah. Because you know, technically everybody's supposed to be European or whatever. Cause you know, I know it's anime.

[00:47:09] So pretty much everybody kind of looks identical minus haircuts. Sure. But those two are given very prolific. Yes. Asian like. Yeah. Features. And then Mika says, even though I don't believe Levi is. I saw, I saw that video of someone breaking down like the races of the characters. That was funny. Uh, yeah. Um. Sorry. What'd you think of the chair scenes in season three? Oh God. Oh God.

[00:47:39] Oh God. Aisama. Aisama is too, too scared the show, Aaron and Mika's a kissing, but he'll draw that. Right. Exactly. I was like, this isn't shown in. I just remember it flying out the window and being like, Oh, we. Well, I was like, cause my thought was like, why are they showing this chair? Like what is important about this chair? And then that happened. I'm like, that's what was important about this chair. Oh no, no, no.

[00:48:08] She she's referring to the original introduction to the chair. Well, after they, after they did the coup. Hmm. Yeah. I remember seeing that scene just be like, what the fuck am I watching? What show is this? What am I watching right now? Oh, so another, um, another thing that was like, really cool. Like the big, like hype moment too, was like the, the constant, like what's in the basement?

[00:48:37] Yes. Yes. Basement. Basement is the big point of contention and the big secret thing that they build up to so much as they're leading up to that. When they finally get there and the key doesn't work for the door. I was just like, if I just breaks it down, if I kicked it down, I was like, thank you. Somebody has fucking common senses. Yeah. It's funny. Cause I do remember watching that and part of me was like, they're not gonna open this fucking door. Are they? They've been building up for so long. They're not gonna open this. Psych. Levi's Levi was like literally all the fans just kicking it down. Like, yeah, we're not doing this.

[00:49:08] It's like a good 20 episodes. They don't mention it. And suddenly they're like, oh yeah, we need to go get the door. And you're like, oh yeah, the door. Sasha is like, oh yeah, that's important. I love Sasha's character, by the way. Just like, she's so aloof to everything, but then she'll have like a moment where you're like, fascinating. All right. So she goes back to being herself right after. Yes. I just wanna ask everybody. What is like, like as far as like, this is the best person in the show.

[00:49:38] As far as like, this is the best person, not the best character. Like, who would you say? Like morally, the best person morally? Yes. Sasha's dad. Yeah. Oh yeah. That's a good shout for sure. Like, I was like, this man is too good for the show. Like, yeah, he should be somewhere else. Like, someone protect him, please. I was like, why is this like wholesome dad just here? Yeah. Well, I think, I think Sasha too, in general, I think she's the character that kind of, kind of grounds everybody.

[00:50:08] She's very, like, it's a very like aloof a lot of the time, even though these terrible things are happening, you can always like come back to Sasha. She's doing something silly or not. I wouldn't say comedic relief. Cause not necessarily, but almost cause like a little bit of light in like the show. She's a, she's a flawed character though too. She's a therapy. Her debut scene is the famous, like she's eating during formation. Yup. Yup. And famously she's like, here, you can have half. And she very clearly gives him the smaller half. And I'm just like, I'm like, oh, I see.

[00:50:37] Are you asking me why people eat potatoes, sir? Hey, I love how that constantly. Oh God. I was in knowing her character, her sharing anything though. That's big. Yeah. Yeah. And I love that they recreate that scene in the junior high shit. Yeah. Right. I'm going to, I'm going to go out there because, uh, I think it's their redemption. It's two characters. It's, uh, Keith shot us and, uh, the M. I got, they're the two different people who like basically trained all the kids and the way they go out in the end, I think is redeeming.

[00:51:07] And it shows that, uh, they both were doing what they thought was the good thing. Yeah. Yeah. For their people. Yeah. I don't, I don't want to say it cause nobody in here is perfect or good, but, uh, they, they can do good aspects. And I think for those two. Yeah. That scene where they go down in the ship. I was like, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good. I salute you, sirs. And I, and as much as like, he's played up to be like a shitty guy, like for a lot of

[00:51:34] it, like, I really like Theo Magath as a character because you can tell like a lot of what he's doing is just putting on airs for like the public image, but like, he doesn't really believe any of this shit. Like. Yeah. Yeah. So I, you know, if he was truly good, he would have just acted like it. But the fact that he still participates in the beratement and the beatings and tossing them as cannon fodder. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Also like who was the, I'm terrible at the names. Who's the, the, the drill instructor early on. Keith.

[00:52:04] Yeah. Yeah. There you go. The scene where like you discover his backstory where you find out he was in love with Aaron's mom and the entire thing to bystander went stealth for him. And then he deliberately sabotaged Aaron's gear. And then like, you find out like Aaron is that fucking determined. It's like, holy shit. Yeah. Well, that was another one that I remember seeing is like when he hits his head and he has like the steam coming off of his head, like the other, like nod, the little Titan nod and everything. Yeah. It's right there. Yeah. Right in front of you. I just didn't see it. Right there.

[00:52:34] It's just an anime. It's just a goofy anime thing. I just wrote it off. Yep. Yep. There's so, there's so many times where you just like write the stuff off where you're just like, ah, it's whatever. Um, here's another one for you, Bill, the underground. I feel like we don't get to see enough of it, but we were you surprised about the lifestyle down there or did it make sense to go underground to hide from the Titans? It made sense. Cause I got a lot of, I got a lot of, uh, city of Ember vibes from that. Mm-hmm . Like right away.

[00:53:04] Like I, it made a lot of sense. Like I understood like Levi's like, cause that's, that's where Levi came from. Right? Yeah. Cause that OVA also was another case of, um, I remember watching and being like, ah, Levi's got these two friendly characters that you don't see in the show proper. I wonder what's going to happen here. And then I didn't, I didn't expect it to be that fucking dark where it's like, they're just straight up. They're just destroyed. Like they're not, it's not even a pleasant death. It's just like, oh shit. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:53:33] You don't even see it either. You just, it happens to come across their bodies. Yeah. And I was like, there's a reason why this guy is a cold motherfucker. Well, it also shows how cold captain air of it is when basically he dragged Levi kicking and screaming. Like, yeah. I will say like one thing I wish was a bit more fleshed out is that brief period in between seasons three and four, like all the development of like technology is happening. We don't see a ton of that. And I wish we got a little bit more. Yeah.

[00:54:03] I could get that. Cause I'd also like to just see more about like, uh, the old world, like, you know, underground stuff. Yeah, for sure. I have been reading, uh, attack on Titan before the fall. It's like a offshoot manga. That's a prequel. Oh, yeah. It's not animated or anything, but I've got like the first five volumes. I'm on the second one at the moment. It's been interesting to read about like royalty and whatnot. And it does answer a couple of questions, so I won't spoil any of that here. Oh, cool. That is interesting.

[00:54:30] Well, like they, they build up a lot of lore and everything for this world. So it's cool to like learn about a lot of the backstory. Yeah. Who does everybody think is the most tragic character? Oh, everybody. Uh, oh, where do we start? Where do we start? Uh, here. I got the wiki up with everybody's name. So I'm just gonna be an alphabetical order.

[00:54:55] I'm just gonna be like, you know, like we're saying Mikasa just like, yeah, every time it feels like something good's going for her, which doesn't happen very often. It just gets shut down and it just feels like at every turn she's trying her best and it just like to no avail. I know a lot of people probably want to say Sasha as well, just because of the way she gets taken out at the very end. Yeah. I mean, everybody's like, I'm scrolling through the list of characters and I think a good reason why every single one of them. Yeah. I really don't think anyone has a good time in the show.

[00:55:25] I don't know if he's necessarily the top, but I feel like there's a big argument to be made for Krisha. Yeah. Okay. Because he, he went through some shit. Yeah. Yeah. I, and I'm gonna hate myself for saying this, but there is a good argument for Gabby. Yeah. Sure. Because she's fully invested in like the brainwashing and everything. Yeah. She's being manipulated by the culture that she's living in. Mm-hmm. That's why I like it.

[00:55:53] She is like, everyone hates her, so. Well yeah, she's, isn't she still the worst? The least popular character in the series. Yes. Yeah. But I don't know about everybody else, but I came around to her towards the end because it's, it's really not her fault. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's her fault. She pulled the trigger. No, she, like Alex was saying, it's like with all of them. And this is like, this brainwashing to believe like a certain thing for these people that you've never met. But then like, as you said, you kind of come around to her.

[00:56:19] Cause as they kind of co-mingle, as they're both working together for one common cause, you can kind of see those lines blurred a little bit. And like, Oh, these people aren't as bad as I was being told for so long, but it is tragic because like you said, you were being brainwashed to, to believe a specific thing for so long. And, but I mean, Slade, right. She did. She did. I was going to say, she also, she also, it was responsible for like the whole Aaron fucking likes. That's true.

[00:56:44] The end of like the, the beginning of the rumble where Aaron's about to get the, um, talk, talk about, talk about twists that got me. That was, that was a big one too, because that one's more memorable. Cause it happened sooner. I remember it sooner. And I was just like, Oh shit, he's dead. Like it's done. When I saw his head flying off as he's like about to get the Zeke and also that just that happened. And I was just like, Hey, I'm pretty sure it was pretty mind blowing for him as well. Yeah. Oh yeah.

[00:57:12] But you know, when you think about it with all the baseball symbolism and then Zeke catches him. Yep. Yep. So good. He was practicing. He'd been practicing for years to catch that head. I was going to say one of the scenes like that was like an absolute, like, Oh shit. But what for me was, um, so after Aaron escapes from confinement, he's kind of like missing for a while. Like there's the scene with, uh, Armin and Mika. So they're just chatting there when he just shows the fuck up. I was like, it's like, that actually jumpscared me.

[00:57:40] I was like, Whoa, how long have you been here? Yeah. Once again, with the casual reveal. Yeah. And he is such a bastard in that scene too. And I was like, God damn it. Like, I know he's like playing it up because of his, he knows shit, but. And he, he hates himself for doing it too. You can tell, but like had to be done. But it's the right move. You argue with Mika and then you beat the shit out of Armin. That's, you know, cause he can't win a fight against her. Yeah.

[00:58:09] The only way he can, the only way he can win against Mika says by verbally just like beating her down. And it's like, God, breaking their heart. Oh God. So bad. So the worst part too, is you find out later he actually does love her, but he just can't. Yeah. So dumb when he's talking to like Armin and everything. And it's just like, Oh, come on, man. Yep. I want like, she was subtle. She was very obvious. I really want you to see, I'm going to just write like multiple volumes.

[00:58:36] Just, I just want to know the conversations you've had with everybody else. Yep. Yeah. That was, what did he say to Annie? Like, that's what I want to know. Like what the hell? I will say that was one of the most, that was one of the most satisfying moments when, when Armin just fucking like slaps the fuck out of Aaron. I was like, I was like, thank you. Finally. Somebody. So did anybody else here think that Historia's kid was Aaron's? Wasn't that a fan theory for a while? Yeah.

[00:59:06] That was a fan theory for a long time. Cause I, I was really like all the way to the end. I was so convinced, convinced that that was Aaron's kid, especially because they like started forming a bond like towards the mid season three point. Hmm. So it was like, they were really kind of like setting it up for that and then it didn't go anywhere. No, but you did make me think of something cause they showed the attack on Titans, the attack Titans, uh, final form in season three. When Historia.

[00:59:34] No, when, uh, no, when Historia puts the necklace on Aaron. Yeah. Cause it is the attack Titans like final form. Like they showed it to you then. Like when she's holding it, you can kind of see the same like arch that is when they show the shot of the attack, the final form of the attack Titan. It's wild. God, the show is good. Yeah. I was going to say though, I did, I did think that final fight with the, the final true final form of Aaron. Like that was very anticlimactic.

[01:00:01] I was like, I was like, okay, I guess you don't like long hair, skinny boy. Yeah. It was just like, he gets into that giant colossal form and like Armin just like walks up to him and then just throws Mikas in and she just cuts the thing. I'm like, Oh, okay. Yeah. That's fair. That's fair. That was very anticlimactic. But Aaron was really just a conduit. Like they were really fighting in here. Yeah. And it's so funny that over all of this, you know, he just wants to be free, but he is the slave to freedom. Yeah. The entire time.

[01:00:31] Yeah. Did any of you guys get a chuckle when, uh, when Zeke popped out of the skeleton and was like, Yo Levi, I'm over here, buddy. And then just immediately gets killed. And I was like, yep. So that guy, it was so, it was, it was, it was funny. And then so satisfying for Levi to just like beat the shit out of him. It was, it was great. Kept his promise. Give me one second. I'll be right back. No worries.

[01:00:52] Um, I was gonna say though, like one of the moments that like drove me up a wall just because at this, just, this was like Levi's biggest blunder in the entire series is when he puts that, the, the rocket sphere in a Zeke and he's like, yeah, here's a spear in there. It's like, that'll blow you up if you move in. I'm just like, this guy's unstable Levi. He's gonna move. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, what are you doing? And then he blows up. I'm like, I'm like, you moron. Like you deserve this. Like, did you think he died there?

[01:01:25] Uh, yeah, maybe I was worried. I was worried, but I, I, this, it would have had to have a much more like ceremonial end. Sure. That, that, those are my thoughts too, where I was like, not, not like this. They're not taking our boy out like this. Right. Armin though. Armin. I was convinced that boy was dead. Yeah. Me too. They had like a whole big, like he had his speech and everything. And he's like, I'm gonna sacrifice myself for you guys. And I was like, oh yeah, he's charred. Like he's, he's done. Yeah. Another comment.

[01:01:55] I, I, I, me and Alex text chain him. He being like, oh, I think Armin died. And I just like, Armin's crispy now. I'm just like, like when they're, when they're deciding on who to give the powers to essentially, I have, I assumed it would have been like, or like that makes in my mind at that moment that made the most sense. Yeah. And then the corpse coughs. Yeah. Oh no. It's like the most, it's just like a little, I'm like, oh no, I'm still here. That's worse, man.

[01:02:24] That's a wonder though. Like how, what, what form would this series have taken if they had used it on urban? Yeah. How would things be different? I don't know. To be honest. Like, I always think, cause like Armin was like famously the tactician and he would like, sure. He was ahead on everything. Well, so was urban. Yeah. Urban was, but they had very different ideologies. And that's why I'm always wondering. I think, I think Armin probably because maybe cause he's younger.

[01:02:52] I'm not sure, but he's obviously more open to a lot of this too. So maybe he would have like when, when presented the idea and the plans and everything would have been more open to a lot of different possibilities where urban, you know, very one track mind, very us against Titans, where if it was like the decision again to go after Aaron or not, or save him or anything like that, you know, Armin's a little more level headed with that. Yeah. But at the same time, like once air been as a symbol was gone, who was the one who stepped

[01:03:19] up and took, took the dedicate your heart fucking flock. Oh, speaking of characters that I fucking can't stand. That's why like, that's why like a lot of people say, Oh, Gabby is the worst kid. No flock is the worst character. That's fair. Biggest piece of shit. So I'll put it. You kind of have to respect his, his like dedication. Yeah. He died for what he believed in. So like, I respect that part of it, but like, no, he is just a total piece of shit. Oh, no, no. Yeah.

[01:03:46] The way I'll say it is like Gabby is the most irritating character. Block is the most dislikable though. Like everything about that guy. I was just like, like, it's right. Cause he shows up wicked late in the series. Yeah. And then he's just here now. Yeah. And he immediately is like presence. Yeah. And he's immediately just like being this big, like, you're like everything about him. You're like, I just don't like this guy. Like where is this going? And like pretty much overnight, he goes from like the biggest, like what's in the show

[01:04:14] to I'm just a Nazi general now. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Um, I will say though, that entire scene, the, the scene where they're trying to choose who to give the Titan formula to. The thing about that scene that makes it unintentionally funny is the fact that Bertolt's just chilling there as a corpse the entire day. Like, like this is wonderful. He's just chilling there. Armand's weird baby Titan form. Oh yeah. Yeah. It starts coming towards him. Yeah.

[01:04:43] He's like, ah, it starts going towards him. I will admit though, that scene was super satisfying. I was like, ah, yes, get rid of this guy. Who didn't. Yeah. This is for Marco. Asshole. This is for Marco. Yeah. So what was your guys thoughts when we got the reveal that there's Titans on the wall? Ooh, that was, that was a big one. That was a, that was such a fun reveal because again, it just, it continuously building on this lore and the whole idea is these walls are supposed to protect them from Titans.

[01:05:12] But the idea that the Titans were there the entire time is, is so cool. Yeah. And then the reveal that the, the, the cult of the walls are actually important and no shit that everybody else doesn't like. Yep. Yeah. I thought those guys were just like a one-off kind of like gag thing. And then it was like, when you guys first saw the Titans in the wall, were you expecting that it was going to turn into like the rumbling? Like, did you have any inclinations of the purpose of them being in the walls besides them

[01:05:40] just being there to protect the people in there? Yeah. I didn't know. I don't know what I thought. I mean, and I think I just, I don't think anybody really had a full idea of this scope of just how fucking many of them there were. Yeah. And like in my mind, I didn't have like the rumbling obviously that in, in mind. I didn't even think they were like there to protect. I was like, I thought they were there to keep the people in on the island in check. Essentially. Like they were intent.

[01:06:08] I felt that they were intentionally put there, but they were there to keep everybody in check. If anything did happen, these would essentially keep all these people on the island. That was kind of like my theory when I first saw the Titans in the wall. Yeah. That, and you keep questioning so much of how much does the church actually know? Yeah. Yeah. Because they're doing everything to that guy, like ripping his fingernails out and he will not talk. Yep. I always remember too, because they kind of play with your expectations with that in a

[01:06:36] bit, because later on when they're trying to take back the original wall, there's a scene where like, they're like looking into the wall and I'm like, Oh no, are they going to see another Titan? And there was a Titan. It was just Raynor instead. It was a different Titan. I was like, Oh, that was not what I was expecting that, but that was a good twist. Yeah. The sword. I just love that the wall cracks and it's just like basically a colossal space. Yep.

[01:07:02] And it's just so mundane looking and they're like, cover it up, cover it up. I don't want anyone to say. I didn't still remember. Like that was another text to Alex. I was just like, I didn't wall question mark. Man, the text thread between you two about this must be hilarious. Like it must've been so fun. I want to go back and see. Well, the best. I want to scroll back. The best is she was watching other shows at the time. So she would ask me questions on like things she was like, I was watching Dragon Ball. Well, you were. Oh yeah. Oh man.

[01:07:32] Her questions about Dragon Ball Z were equally funny, but mine were a lot more confused. The entire time. I'm trying to scroll back. So I guess here's the question. I don't know if anybody's asked this yet, Bill. Did you attack on Titan? Right. Obviously for some of us, this is obviously a top three anime. Yeah. Easily. In all the shows you've watched, where does this sit? Hmm. Well, we are going to do another top 25 later this year. Ooh. Yes.

[01:08:01] You're all welcome to join. I might actually, we might actually get the round table back together. Oh, I'm here for it. I can't wait to see where attack on Titan settles. I, so I will, I'll, I'll preface it this way. I enjoyed my time watching the show, but I still don't know how I feel. Okay. That's a good, you know, that's pretty normal. Yeah. There wasn't a point where I was like, I was like hate watching it where I was like, I don't like this. I'm sure you just don't watch it the whole time. I was like, all right, I need to know what happens.

[01:08:31] Yeah. Getting the whole way through. I was like very interested, but by the time I finished it, I was like, I'm still kind of in a perpetual state of, I don't know. And you also like you, you recently relatively recently had finished the show, right? You just watched through it this year and finish it this year. Yeah. I think a lot of that too comes afterward with like sitting on the ending for a while and having conversations like this, where you're like talking about some of like the hints and they were throwing in the first couple of seasons.

[01:08:57] Like that all these kinds of conversations build up for the show for me as well. Hmm. Cause it was fun listening to gaming and collecting and you just hear Bill being like, I don't know if I like the show or not. That's my favorite Alex moment where Alex was like, do you even like this show? And not me being like, I don't know. I've scrolled back to the beginning and I keep seeing the spots of like, oh, she dead. She's flat. Yeah. That happens a lot.

[01:09:27] Or just, oh, this is funny. This is funny to read. Yeah. I think, I think for me, it just like, I mean, there's, there may be other shows like that. I mean, I just haven't seen them, but like there has been, hasn't been another show that does like storytelling like this that I have watched to this extent. It feels like it's so intentional with everything, like every detail is intentionally placed there. Again, the kind of almost working backwards in the narrative and.

[01:09:56] Oh, it's so good. Bill just sent me that at one point. So we need to just add captions to just have like Bill's name on Aaron and then the bread is just a type of type. Yeah. All he said was bread. Bill did all. Oh, there is one. I was going to say there is one point in that thread. Because there was a point where we hadn't seen Sasha in a while and then she pops up again. And I think my comment was this was like mid season two, I think. Yeah. Where I went, oh, yay. Potato girl lived.

[01:10:25] Yeah, because. In hindsight. I was like, oh no. She was actually supposed to be killed off and like not around the season four in like production wise. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. That was something else that I read. So her death was already, you know, targeted. Yeah. A quote from Bill. Big naked guy appeared. Oh, yes. People about to go squish. And the mom's dead. That was episode one.

[01:10:55] Yeah, probably. Big naked guys. Oh, big boys back. I'm also going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I was drinking a lot during these watches. It's a good. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah. So like for me, because once you have like you've watched attack on Titan, it's hard to find something to fill as Jared was saying how much sets up and how good the storytelling is. It's so hard to find something that fills that void in it.

[01:11:24] And the closest thing I think I have found lately is free run. God, I need to watch that. I have not watched the. That is. Oh, you have. I have a Jared. Thank us later. Just and I know, I know, I know nothing about it. I have no idea what the shows he's been about. I didn't know anything either. And I went in blind like that. And it was, I ended up binge watching it in like two days. Another really good one right now. That's like filling the void. Um, apothecary diaries. Like that's. Yeah.

[01:11:50] I literally, I was watching the recent, the most recent episode right before I came over here. I was a spoil for Alex because the, uh, Alex. Oh yeah. I'm waiting. I want to binge it. All I know is I understand what the frog thing is now. And holy fuck. Yep. I wasn't expecting that one. That's what I was about to put up on the second monitor while playing Stardew because I've heard y'all talk, you know, say such good things about apothecary diaries. Yeah. It's a good watch. I'd recommend. I will say the only other show that I've been, I think all of us, I'm not sure if

[01:12:20] slate has, but, um, soul leveling that has been, uh, oh yeah. No, I haven't. I still, I still haven't gotten started on it. I've read. Yeah, it's done now. You can watch it. Season, the dub for season two comes out. Like I think I'm like, the final episode is like a few hours. I think a few hours from now it's out. Oh, perfect. So that's, that's again, that's what your second monitor is for. You're for discord and crunchy roll. And we talk about a show that like, that's a show you should watch.

[01:12:47] You should binge because Jesus Christ, the, the, the, uh, cliffhangers. That's what I'm trying to say. Yeah. It's a great bingeable show too, because in a lot of ways it's not like, it's not like the writing is like super stellar, but it's a visual Marvel. There's lots of fun. It's like, yeah, this show solo leveling is like a bag of lays. Like you just plow through it. Yeah. I've heard it be described as like a good sugary snack. Like it's fun to enjoy in the moment. Absolutely. And then I've also seen people call it a solo edging because the way of those cliffhangers.

[01:13:17] Yes. Yeah. Jesus Christ, man. So it's like they get you right when you're like at the peak, you're at the precipice of this episode and you're like, oh shit, let's go. And then it's like credits and you're like, fuck. Yeah. So Bill and I have also been reading it. I think all of us here. I'm sure we all caved because we were like, we need to know what happens next. Oh, I don't, we can't say anything because Slade has not watched it. So we can't spoil it. I'll be a good noodle and I'll start either at our apothecary diaries today. I'll do one or the other. Watch season one.

[01:13:47] It's a 24. It's okay. Very, very good. To be fair. You could also watch both seasons of soul leveling in that time. Yeah. And like, like they were saying, like, it's doesn't, it's a visual marvel and it's just like a fun time, but you're not going to feel like overwhelmingly emotionally exhausted. Like attack on type. Yeah. Well, I think that's where I'm coming to is that there's nothing that like you get done with an episode and you're just like, man. And then you're thinking about it, processing it and you're discussing it with your friends. Like I don't, nothing's really set in that. Yeah. In the same way.

[01:14:17] Yeah. You guys watch Vinland saga. Oh, I need to watch that too. I've heard Vinland saga is good. I will say. I would say that that one, it's not like attack on Titan at all, but there was a lot of moments where like, it gave me like those same vibes of like, Oh, like you just emotionally were very much dialed in. I will recommend. Like emotionally drained by the end of an episode. You're like, God, that was a lot. Yeah.

[01:14:53] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a G and C. It's it's. So that's like our theme of season five, but one thing throughout attack on Titan that like kind of stuck with me in this like song will pop into my head all the time. Yeah. The little like motif that you hear constantly throughout the show that the one that's like really mysterious sounding. It's like, anytime there's like a big, like, uh, like serious thing happening. Like that, that motif to the point where I heard it in the junior high show. I was like, yeah.

[01:15:22] I was like, Junior high. Tell us your thoughts on that. I was a fucking fever dream and a half. Like that's all I'm going to say. Yeah. Even junior high has the little hints and clues throughout. Oh yeah. The second the colossal Titan showed up in junior high, I was like, where the fuck is that boring? Fuck? Where is he? Yeah. Chee bird bastard. I was like looking around for him and I'm like, Oh, he's not here. They actually thought ahead. So funny. So funny.

[01:15:52] I made them watch it also as like a palate cleanser. Yeah. It must be more confused. Fair. Yeah. But not emotionally drained. Exactly. Not emotionally exhausted. Just like, what the fuck was that? It was literally the, um, the, the Simpsons, like crust, uh, crusty, the clown. Like the hell is that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My favorite. It was in the first episode when Aaron, Aaron's running to school and like, he knocks over.

[01:16:20] He keeps knocking into people. And then she's like, Hmm, I should knock into him. He like my favorite. It was all the way around. My favorite though, is like he helps each one of them and then he knocks over John. He just fucking, he's like, I don't have time for this. Just stomps on his face. And then keeps running. And I'm just like, I'm like, I was like, okay, that makes sense. All right. Bill. Uh, go ahead, Alex. Oh, well, what are you going to say? Cause maybe. I was going to, I was going to ask what Bill's favorite characters were. We know what, like the favorite is Sasha, but sure. Yes.

[01:16:48] If you had to give like a top five. So the fun of this is finding out what Bill actually liked in here. And I'm making sure that the show gets bullied into the top three at least. Yeah. Uh, that's going to be tough. Cause you already know like what my top shows are, but right. Um, so obviously Sasha, I like Sasha just cause she was like that breath of levity, which I think was very much part. I'm actually, when I was thinking about it later, I'm like the fact that they killed her when they did was perfect. Yeah. I hated it, but it made sense.

[01:17:17] Cause it was like the one character that like, I think universally everybody liked. Yeah. And then they, she's the one that dies out of all of them. Like out of all the recurring characters. It was a character that kind of, you know, more or less kind of bled into the background, kind of like main cast B kind of situation where was that levity? Was that light, but never had a lot of the focus on, on her solely. And so when she died, you're just like, that was a character that I did care about. And you know, didn't really have a lot of stakes in here besides trying to like survive with her friends. And she's the one that fucking died.

[01:17:47] And I feel like it burns extra cause Aaron starts laughing. Oh, yeah. I think, I think that makes it hurt like extra. Yeah. But I never took that as like a, Oh, haha funny. That's just like, Oh, the irony of all that I'm doing to do. I'm doing to protect my friends. And now she's dead. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cause it was just the way they handled it. I was like, I was like, damn, they really know how to get you because like, they could have killed anybody there and it probably would have. Well, the scene, the scene sets up that way too.

[01:18:15] And you pan over and it's going like everyone's faces looking to everybody. And then you see Sasha look down and everything, but he's just like, Oh, which, where, who, who did this bullet hit? Like who is dying right now? And they give you a little bit of hope that you think she might live. And then it's like, no, no, no, no. They took her away. Only she had hit flock. Only. Only. I, uh, so Slade wasn't here for our five minutes of shit talking flock. Oh, good. No, no, no. We can do another five minutes.

[01:18:41] Well, cause we, we established that Gabby's the most irritating character, but flock is definitely the most unlikable character in the show. You know, you know, you know, here's the thing though. And I'm, I'm going to try to justify flock in a way for you. Okay. Okay. Okay. Let's go. All right. So when they're doing the charge against the beast Titan and commander air,

[01:19:10] And I think that's what sets him up to be the way that he is for you to hate him so much. Yeah. And I mean, even in that moment, he's just like, like, if we're going to die, I don't want to like, he already has these like sprinkles of rebellion. He's like, if we're going to die, like, why do I have to listen to you? Why am I doing this? If like, we're going to die anyways, like, why am I, why am I doing this right now? Yeah. Yeah. And he's the only one to survive. That's very true. And he's the one who brought commander air, then back. Like remember, he drug his body back.

[01:19:40] Yeah. I was the one to point out. Okay. Oh, and then you see them pick Armin. Yeah. Yeah. So I think, I think that sets him up to be not only rebellious, but to be just like a great, like, I can't believe these people would be so psychotic. Why would they ruin all of this? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I just want to point out that in the, in the dub, at least, which this is like an issue with the dub because it's like the one issue I have with the dub is they don't

[01:20:10] use the word devil as much as they should, because like in the Mothaga they use devil throughout the whole, the whole thing. But in the dub flock is the first person to use that word referring to another LBN. Yes. Hmm. Oh, I was going to ask me and Bill were able to get to the movie theater. I was going to ask you to see the alternate ending. How many of you guys saw it and spoil us? Cause I, I didn't get to see it.

[01:20:39] I don't know if I can see it. I didn't see it in theaters. I saw it. You did. Was it worth it? Uh, no. It was. Well, wasn't it like I remember, wasn't it that the manga had a different ending than what the anime came out with in the new version that you saw was the manga ending. Yeah. It was a manga ending with a couple of other little touches. Cause you know, so the whole idea is that, uh, you know, it's a loop. It's a cycle. It goes on forever.

[01:21:06] So you cut and that's where the, uh, photos that everybody loves of goth, Mikasa, nerd, Armin. Yeah. Yeah. And Aaron, and you know, what's funny is that Armin is like a, in that he's such a great reflection on, uh, the toxic part of the fandom where he's just like, Hey, this wasn't adapted. Right. And I swear there was a dude in the theater who was doing that exact thing. Oh my God. I'm not rodrigy. Oh no. Yeah.

[01:21:32] And, uh, I was loudly shit talking him from our group behind him for doing that. Yeah. Uh, but he was that exact person. But the thing is, so when they leave, uh, they're like leaving the theater, you see Levi in this alternate universe cause they have phones and whatnot. So it's like modern day and Levi is like a cleaning person, but he's still doing like the moves. And that's funny. And he's taller because you know, he wasn't raised underground. You see the, uh, chef.

[01:22:00] He's got like a restaurant and a little side for the special. Yeah. You see, uh, the Fritz family walking by, which is really, you know, it's their haircuts and everything. So you can kind of tell us I'm walking by and, uh, as they're crossing the road, the crazy thing is in the distance on top of a hill, you see the tree. Ah, and then it's the end. So it's pretty much the same anyways. Yeah.

[01:22:26] My thing is, uh, for the one that everybody else saw on crunchy roll, uh, the part that haunts me the most about it is what it's doing the Futurama thing and going through the, uh, what happened. The singing when it's the female vocalist, that's Mikasa's Japanese voice actress. Oh, and she sings until she dies in the timeline. Oh, and then that's when the male, that's when the male voice kicks in. Interesting. Well, that just made that scene even more fucking. Yeah. Thanks.

[01:22:56] Crazy. You're all, did anybody know? How many of you know about the baby? And, uh, during like the whole like rumbling scene, remember the, the baby. Yep. Yep. So in Jap, in Japanese, the, the cries of the baby, and I don't know if they redubbed it or if they use the same voice file, but that is the, uh, Japanese actor who plays Aaron's actual baby that they recorded. That's crazy. That's wild. Yep.

[01:23:23] There's so many like just good little details like that throughout. And, uh, I mean, I remember starting, you know, right where the rumbling is in the final, the final season part three. And, and when you started and you see, you know, what's just happening to all these people and basically innocent bystanders getting stepped on and squished and crushed.

[01:23:50] And it doesn't leave me because occasionally think about it, but thus the, uh, the colossal titan stepping on that one kid. Yeah. Ethan, everything coming out and you see the last thing he does and it's the ghost of Ymir. Yep. Yep. So this is a good time to bring that up. Like Ymir, right? Yeah. So we're constantly getting like, oh, Ymir was like this. Ymir was like that. She was a devil. She was a goddess. She was this. She was that. Mm-hmm. What was everybody's reaction when we actually learned the history of Ymir?

[01:24:20] That was fucked up. I mean, he's tragic a lot. Like Jesus Christ. What? Talk about tragic character. Yeah. I think she might top the list for tragic characters. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But like, even then though, Aaron's doing her will. True. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So just cause this one family was mean to you a couple thousand years ago, the entire world has to die. Yeah. Yeah. In her mind. Yes. Yeah. When you put it like that, that's true. Relatable.

[01:24:50] Yeah. Yeah. I mean, slavery goes a bit beyond being mean, but all right. No, that's weird. They bullied me. Yeah. Well, that and they got, uh. Bill's the Ymir of this group. Bill's the Ymir of this group? So this is where I, this is where, so then this is where I start my arc where I take out all the gaming podcasts. That's good. I'm not on one anymore. That's fine. There you go.

[01:25:21] Um, yeah. But you know, when you find out hers and you see like the children being forced to eat her, eat her. Yeah. They were trying to pass on the powers that way. It's just like, and then it's one of those. People always point out. Cena. Yeah. Yeah. And then you see that and you're like, that's the fucking walls. And then suddenly you're also like, oh, and they're made of Titans. Yeah. Oh, oh. Yeah. Wow. Everything in this show is a mind fuck. Yeah. Everything. Everything is a plot point.

[01:25:50] Like, that's the thing I love about the show too, is that it doesn't waste time. Right. You know, like I've said before, I've watched all of Naruto, no filler guide. There's so much wasted time. There's. Yes. You're a stronger man than I. You didn't want to watch the flashback to the previous episode. No, I didn't. The first 10 minutes of the show. Yeah. I did all of Naruto and Shippuden like that. And it makes me really appreciate attack on Titan even more because it's just like, yep, here's characters. That one, that one, that one died. All right. Next episode.

[01:26:19] Like you said, it doesn't, it doesn't waste the, the viewers time. Right. Yeah. It doesn't like, I mean, those shows like Naruto have, have big, heavy plot points and they have very emotionally taxing episodes as well. But then you have like in between episodes that are just like, that are very fillery and supposed to be lighthearted, which I, I understand, but there's something about this show just being back to back and it's like everything that you see is, is, is substantial and it's going to benefit some plot point. Yep.

[01:26:46] So we had mentioned characters that I liked throughout the entire thing. Yes. We got a bit side. Oh yeah. Your top five. Another, another character that I, we've, we've mentioned her a few times. Uh, Hanji. Oh yeah. That's my favorite character. The most is great. Her death was really sad, but she had the most bad ass death in the series. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Going against all those. I feel like had the most beautiful send off. Like seeing all, all her dead comrades and just being welcomed in. Like, yes, you did a great job.

[01:27:16] Hanji. Good for you. And then just like smiling the, like a lot of the time too. Cause she had this, like this, this interesting obsession with Titans and how they worked and just like almost a love for them. So the send off was, was, was, was nice. And then it's also like the other part that hits is that it's the first time Levi tell somebody to dedicate their heart. Yeah. And then it's like, Oh, it hits harder. Well, cause like you, you knew in that moment that he also was aware he was coming to terms

[01:27:44] with like, yeah, she's going to try, but she's, she's going to die. She's, this was also, this was also broken post to like, uh, Levi's dumbest moment. Levi. So. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Talk about the spear. I'm just saying that scene pissed me off on so many levels. Cause you know, Zeke's the psychopath. He's going to move. I'm like, this, this man is unstable. He you're, you're, you're dumb. Levi. You're extremely dumb. Yeah. So. All right. So we have Hanji Sasha. Who else? Yeah.

[01:28:14] Um, obviously Aaron, I liked Aaron. Okay. He's all right. I get what he did. I don't know if I agree with it. He didn't have a choice though. He didn't have a choice. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Um, I liked Mikasa for the most part. I felt bad. I was like, why is this poor thing just never allowed to be happy? Yeah. Um, the last character is hard. Cause there, there are a few, like I do like Armin, like for what he is.

[01:28:43] He's like the only sane character for a while. I did like the, uh, so we had the leaders inside the walls, like the, uh, the, the guy that's always drunk. I liked him. Oh yes. Yes. Yes. Cause he gets, his death is so like unceremonious. Like he just gets started to a Titan. Yep. Um, I liked him a bit. Um, who was the, the, out of like the three leaders of the three like houses, who was like the douchey one that was like the secret police leader?

[01:29:14] Oh, um, his name was, he was Airvin's buddy from, from school. Yes. Oh my God. I'm blanking on his name. I'm looking through the characters right now trying to see if I can. Yeah. Find it. But I, you know who I mean like that. Yeah. Like he, his entire time in like, he is such an unlikable, like douchebag. Like every time he shows up and then he has his one moment where he actually has a heart right at the end where he lets, um, the little blonde kid.

[01:29:45] He doesn't alert. Yeah. He doesn't like alert like his presence. And then he gets turned into a Titan like shortly after. And I'm like, yeah. Almost immediately. Yeah. And it's like, yeah. And then we never see him again either. Oh, there's a, another parent. What if we do? He just a Titan. That's another parent that has a sad story. It's Armin's grandfather. Oh yes. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like my characters that I, I, I loved changed as I like it fluctuated all the time

[01:30:12] as the show went on, like from season one on, I feel like that list changed all the time. Oh my God. My cat. She's like. Yes. Oh, do you mean dot pixels? I was wondering. Black, black hair. Like, no, no, no, no. Dot pixels was the alcoholic bald headed dude. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I will say his whole thing is really sad when everybody, you know, Zeke yells.

[01:30:43] Yep. And everybody gets turned. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they use, they used it to disinfect fucking Ryan's arm. Hey, he's like right before he dies, he's just like who drank my booze? My other one.

[01:31:11] It's in that same thing in season like one. And it's, I think he is the most rational person, one of the most rational people in the entire show, when it's the people who are supposed to be running the supplies. Hmm. Yeah. They're all hiding in the office and you see him loading the gun. and they're like that's not gonna help in this situation yeah he's just big old smile on his face yeah hurt cobain pov'd that's yeah the most rational person in that situation honestly

[01:31:41] yep geez so yeah like what do you do right these giant monsters are attacking you it's like that and then in season four as well like the rumblings coming you see somebody do that in the middle of the street and it's just like yeah i caught that and i was like oh god yeah which one would you rather do would you rather be stepped on or yeah and not in a good way stepped on i'll say well i was gonna say too i like that like because season four season four is such a weird like

[01:32:10] the way it's structured is just bizarre it's all over the place there's that one scene we get where we show like the gang like levi and friends basically makes it over to the that's what i'm calling them though levi and friends that's his club in the junior high show um anyways um they go visit uh marley for the first time and they're all in incognito and disguise i just like it's like

[01:32:36] that's just such a very interesting scene to me and it's just like i wish we saw more like of that brief period of levity before everything goes to shit really fast yeah i want to see more of just aaron's time sneaking around marley yeah yeah yeah he was there for a while yeah there's there's a lot the show could do for like spinoffs and everything where it left things very open but i also appreciate that it is open because then it allows you to have a good conversation and theories and

[01:33:03] a lot more they fill those gaps i feel like the more opportunity they have to it up yep yeah very true very true leaving it open-ended like this where it's just like we can theory crafting and do whatever with it kind of helps because like you said if they do try to like give a definitive answer for certain things it does open up the opportunity for it's just ruined the entire like lore that they created so then bill when uh falco yeah is it falco i'm thinking of the little kid

[01:33:31] that brings aaron to reiner yeah falco yeah yeah so when he brought when he brought him in is that the point when you found out that it was aaron jaeger yeah yeah were you as surprised as reiner yeah yeah well fun fact i i hated reiner up until that point like i could not stand that guy like i was so mad when he didn't die in the in the wall um when we got to see him in the future like in

[01:33:58] the future we see it from his perspective i kind of started relating to him where i was like well he's just he's just burnt out and done with everything and i'm like i'm like he's me he's literally me well that's what's that's what's cool about the show too it's like you said you get you get these uh ideas of what characters are very blanketed as they're they appear but as you learn their history and learn what they've been through you can sympathize with them like you said reiner is like antagonist as like around season one season two starts to happen and as you get to see his

[01:34:28] backstory you're like he's just as up as the rest like he also didn't really have this life he was put in this he didn't have a choice in this either too yeah oh there's another bad parent his mom basically like forcing him to go into it yeah yep yep oh yeah and then the reveal once he like meets his dad how fucking i was like damn like that's harsh also he wasn't even supposed to go yeah yeah that he wasn't even supposed to go yeah yeah see reiner is definitely one of my absolute top

[01:34:54] characters because i'm just i'm such a sucker for complex characters yeah and he seems very one directional especially like season one and two yeah and then i think season three it starts to break yeah and then definitely he starts to break yeah yeah season three definitely starts to break and then season four he is very flushed out yeah like the like when we really started getting that the closer look of him like in marley at the beginning of season four like going through like uh even when

[01:35:24] he's just sitting at the dinner table with his family and they're having that whole conversation they're asking him about what it was like being in the walls and he's he's going through this whole thing he's telling the potato story yeah and like there's so much complexity just through the way he tells that story and then like you get to the end of it and he's got the musket in his mouth he's ready to just end it all yeah yeah like he's such a such a well-written character absolutely

[01:35:50] absolutely how did you feel i was gonna say how did you feel about the kind of animation studio changing between wit and mapa because it seemed pretty like when i first watched him i remember feeling it was pretty abrupt but then i got used to papa style and everything after that i will say watching from beginning to end aside from like a few cases like the claw that cgi colossal titan is the worst thing i've seen in the entire show um i i did not like that at all but that

[01:36:16] that's more of an animation thing sure i will say the shift for the most part between wit and mapa i didn't really notice until we started seeing the actual titan fights and i was like oh yeah yeah i see now yeah because aaron's aaron's titan specifically makes a huge shift with the animation change yeah yeah yeah because apparently from what i've read is that uh wit studio wouldn't draw

[01:36:40] like shirtless levi or zeke's butt cheeks in that one scene at all which is part of why they switched over the map interesting it was for the butt cheeks i mean you really do see his cheeks in the last episode right before he gets killed you do see them cheeks good just thank you as we should

[01:37:05] i'm just thinking like mapa has mapa doesn't have standards i'm like what was like cheeks sign me up i'll draw cheeks that doesn't make sense because you stop talking in the ass all the time that's true there's an entire scene where they're talking about annie's ass i'm like yeah this is true hmm that's from what i hear is that there were certain things they just did not want to draw and have their studio title on and that was some of it interesting they wanted to go on and do wholesome

[01:37:32] stuff like spy family yeah yeah um so like i don't know uh for for all the the manga readers here like did you pick up on like some of the scenes that were actually filler yeah sometimes not always though but it's one of those things where like the filler adds to it like like for instance when um when aaron's having kind of his existential crisis about fighting annie like that whole bit where he gets

[01:38:01] like impaled by the the the giant wood steak and everything else like that was all filler he he had no qualms in the manga he just immediately jumped in oh interesting i think it kind of helped with the uh exposition though in this like because that's something you can do an animation that's hard to come across and just you know a drawing with text yeah another big one that comes to mind is when um uh levi and kenny's uh final showdown that wasn't in the manga yeah oh interesting that and they also

[01:38:28] changed in the uh when uh armin and aaron are doing like their walkthrough the text is more flushed out like the dialogue between yeah the dialogue between the two of them is a lot more flushed out because basically instead of armin's hole like punching him and then yelling at him it was more like that's okay it'll be fine here's a hug oh so the scene where he like hits him was not even there yeah so it's way

[01:38:54] more flushed out well i feel like the the scene with aaron being impaled by like the wood i feel like that is beneficial to it because i mean that whole scene he's struggling to like figure out how to like oh my god that photo i i wasn't going to acknowledge it i was shaking my head it took me a minute to figure out what i was looking at you can see everybody in the video version just being like yeah

[01:39:25] that's so good but i mean that whole time in that scene aaron's struggling to like figure out how to transform and everything like that so him like struggling with being impaled and everything and trying to stand up it kind of adds to that struggle of him trying to figure out how to even use this power in the first place yeah i think like i said i think it's fine it just gives more um oh there was something else that was cut uh from the manga to the show and it was that the uh when

[01:39:51] grisha is alex off when grisha is uh talking and has the key and he has that worried look on his face oh yeah yeah yeah yeah he's supposed to be talking to aaron in that moment like adult aaron yeah and that's more implied in the manga and like not at all in the anime yeah when they when they go back and like put emphasis on that that scene it makes more sense but you're right it seems like it's more um

[01:40:18] uh in the manga they flesh it out more what am i looking at here what is this now i'm in the rabbit hole yeah i will say i did love the scene where like they're trained they're trying to train aaron to be like a titan weapon for them and aaron's like all right guys i'm gonna transform he just starts gnawing his hand on it's just not working and i'm just like this is yep very typical but then it happens during lunch and they all immediately want to kill him

[01:40:44] yep yep oh that's so funny all for the spoon all for the spoon all for the spoon i want this photo of aaron as my profile picture on discord now i'm putting that so there isn't that many now that i'm searching but i did find some some good don't pause um so another scene like right in the middle of season three i want to say is the whole scene with

[01:41:13] like uh historia's background in the aaron up in chains up on the thing and like that whole that was i was like that was one of the many points where i was like i'm like where's the show it's like what what is this even anymore yeah story is another one of those interesting characters that like you think she's such a nothing character at the beginning and she ends up being one of the most important people in the show yeah because she really is played as the archetype like oh i'm the

[01:41:39] helpless damsel in distress no she nope yeah well it's interesting because like she's like very she's very nothing at the start yeah massively important throughout the middle and then by the end she kind of like is off disappears fades back into nothing yeah she's super pregnant even though she basically even though she basically causes aaron's mental like revelation decline whatever you want

[01:42:05] to call aaron's choice at the end yeah it makes sense how freaking depressed she looked that one little glimpse we got of her before the rumbling started so she knew it all yeah slip in so bill shut up bill here's the question do you support the rumbling are you pro rumbling are you are you what's

[01:42:29] your political views on rumbling um well i did not feel bad for everyone who got smooshed but at the same time a little theme a lot of the unfortunately the people i cared about by that point were already well hange was about to die sasha's dead aaron's gonna die it's pretty apparent um hell the only people that lived at the end that i liked were like mikasa and armin and even again we know we know they die too so

[01:42:59] i came around at the end to really liking john so yeah john came into that leader leader role yeah yeah yeah i liked him as like i i liked his back and forth with aaron like just the whole like like his like subtle crush on mikasa from the beginning yeah i love her hair and aaron's like cut it off and he's like i hate you aaron i hate you

[01:43:24] oh man so good you think that was a adult aaron just being like tell her to cut her hair cut your hair cut your hair yeah i did i like their back and forth i felt i was like i know it got reversed like really quick but when they got turned him and uh uh uh krill and gani caught when him and connie

[01:43:49] turned into titan when him and connie turned into titans right at the end i was like i was like i feel bad yeah yeah yeah i think that uh that scene right at the end was really dark where they're all up there's the standoff between the marleyans and the uh and everyone else they're up on the uh like the big rock or up on the plateau thing and like it deceptively there's the confrontation it deceptively cuts to that gunshot shot going off yeah and it leaves you hanging for a good like

[01:44:18] 20 minutes yeah what happened there i was like damn like this dark the other one i was gonna ask for when it's like a big reveal point is when you finally find out who the owl is and grish is about to get kicked off the wall yeah and uh the last thing the owl says to him he's like yeah make sure you tell mikasa and armin hello for me yeah yeah and that was like i don't know what that is yeah how does he

[01:44:43] not my memory names yeah even he questions it he's like who who are these people they hadn't even been born yet yeah that was that was another character i liked um the um the guy who uh the previous uh the owl yeah the attack died like i thought he was interesting like just like those the stocks of like when he punched that guy down into the pit i was like oh thank you i'm like this guy deserved it

[01:45:12] so much oh yeah how about that that hype moment in the paths when like all the the previous titan holders like pop up and they're like we're gonna help you yeah yeah oh yeah like that was a serious fist pump moment yeah yeah absolutely i also could you imagine like you're just sitting there and it's like a meme of like you know you're sitting there having breakfast or whatever and you just get called into the paths and it's like yeah right what just sitting on the toilet

[01:45:46] get somebody to the past as you are so are you just squatting there with your pants down just in the middle of the desert it makes it makes it worse you'd like you pop in there and you're like mid wipe so your arms like you're like oh i was gonna say though that scene where like they were showing like how the titans get to uh the walls like oh yeah i was like whim the scene where it's like they they start like uh they have them all up there before they turn them

[01:46:12] into titans and they kick the one guy off and they're like we need someone to lead them to the walls yeah and i'm just like that's fucked like that was that was falco's uncle what was it yeah damn oh yeah yeah honestly just even talk about the show you need that like beautiful minds room with the red tape and everything the show character relationships like that jesus yeah for real like it's it's actually kind of embarrassing how long it took me to realize that zeke was erin's

[01:46:40] brother like that the beast titan was erin's brother also like out of all the so out of all the titan shifters who was your favorite one ooh it's still reiner yeah i was saying it has to be reiner for me too just because like i said his whole his whole arc in general it kind of leads into that idea of like protagonist antagonist throughout the entire show like almost him and aaron switching roles

[01:47:07] more or less to like almost exactly what's happening in the first episode with reiner and walls and everything i thought was so cool so for me it's actually kind of interesting just because she comes out of nowhere i love peak yeah me too i loved how i loved how little she gives a about anything like she's like i'm just here because i have to be i'm not yeah i don't actually

[01:47:33] give a i love her little sarcastic comment at the end where like they're all talking about oh my god aaron talked to me and he talked to me and she's like well i would have liked i don't even know him but i would have liked the conversation it's like what the fuck that and the infamous thing of like her running down his like neck or whatever i love my own neck well because we find out her titan's kind of fucking op where she can just keep making multiple

[01:47:59] ones like oh yeah in there like that i'm like that would have been helpful like earlier yeah she's like nah i'm a cart i'm like i'm a card yeah i'm a cart that and like the uh basically like giant pillbox they put on her back for like combat yeah yeah yeah i the like reveal when you find out those were all uh all the people that she hugged were like oh those are her like the people yep yeah those are the people who pilot that and then they all get taken out yep by sasha yep

[01:48:28] yeah yeah i mean they deserved it i mean yeah there's another character nobody's brought up yet uh yelena is that the frown girl yeah yeah yeah uh i did not like her at all i'm not gonna lie yeah i think i think she's kind of up there with flock yeah i was like well because i was like is she a hero or a villain i have no idea i have a photo of her in my office's uh bathroom for the

[01:48:58] technicians and it's her is it that one is it that one yeah yeah yeah he's doing yeah and it's in where i put it on the wall it said that when you're sitting on the toilet it's like staring at you that's great i will admit that entire scene is glorious for how like insane it is like the whole like the missiles flying through the air and then it's just standing on the yep and then there's the look

[01:49:25] down at arvin i'm just like yeah hey this this girl is insane well that's the only thing you really can't think because she goes from that face to oh yes please help him like god you got problems lady then when you find out that she's actually like biologically 100 marley and like yep yeah you're like oh yeah you got some stuff going on and then trying to you know fulfill uh zeke's euthanasian plan

[01:49:54] it's like oh man that is that is such a dark plot point too it really is it really is well especially like the amount of people that are low like yeah this is fine and it's like no it's what no are you what i did like how aaron like sight like psychs him out too where he's all like oh

[01:50:17] yeah i'm totally for that and he's like psych yeah especially when it gets back to the royal family and they're in you know the giant cave and everything how was that plot twist for you when uh aaron's aaron's dad didn't want to go through with it and then aaron just gets in his ear fight yeah yeah i was like god damn it aaron the entire time yeah realizing that aaron was like more or less kind

[01:50:43] of pulling the strings through most of these big plot points that were happening like i said you know following ymir things like that too but it's still being aaron that whole time is just like it's a crazy revelation especially when aaron finally realizes it himself and then he goes wait a minute yep yeah and he just says you you know if you're watching japanese and then that to me is the most mind-blowing bit when you're like he he started all this yep or like we said we kind of

[01:51:10] offhandedly said it earlier in the show but like sending the titan essentially to eat his mom so he can get these events going so he can start this obsession with the titans and everything to kind of set the events going forward yep well it's like it's like that meme of like the guys like the puppet master like and it keeps getting progressively bigger and it like starts with aaron and then it ends with aaron it's like it's like what yeah i love the whole the whole bit where they're going through

[01:51:37] grish's memories like how it starts with zeke just being like our dad did this and our dad did that you're brainwashed and then as he's going through and he's like you can see his like on his face like he'd just like slowly come to the conclusion like no you actually had a pretty good childhood up until yeah yeah he's like oh like that would have been he was like oh you actually had a nice dad must be nice there's that that heart-wrenching moment where like uh grisha actually gets to tell zeke how much

[01:52:07] he loved it and then zeke's like yeah what like you have to stop perry yep yeah but that was such a like my draw hit the floor like yeah it's and honestly this is my favorite experience of attack on titan is just this where we have bill who's like fresh-eyed into the whole thing yes i need to rewatch attack on titan i was just thinking the same idea there was i did in

[01:52:33] preparation i mean there was like a ton of moments too where i was still trying to think like certain things out like because early on i didn't realize how the titan shifters worked so i thought you that formula just made you a titan shifter for a while yeah and i was like i was like oh okay that's how this works and it's like no that's not how this works because then the historio's dad turns into giant slug monster which was perfectly fitting for what that man was oh yeah yeah yeah it's that image of

[01:53:02] him like yeah honestly he was definitely the ickiest titan oh yeah yes the goopiest one out of the box the fact that he dragged his face all the way there then by the time he goes over the wall he's just yeah yeah yeah have you have you ever came across the uh the animator cane pixels that sounds so he's he's the one who made the really good backrooms uh series oh gotcha yeah

[01:53:30] and he has this tremendous and you've probably seen it before in the zeitgeist but i'm gonna put it in our chat here but he has this awesome uh thing he did of attack on titan but what if it was in real life oh god yeah and it's i don't want to know that it's supposed to be like um it's supposed to be like old found footage kind of thing oh so i'll put this here it's all uh he did these animations early on but they're really really cool to look at and if you have extra time his backroom series

[01:54:00] is really good we'll sign i've seen all that also they found the backrooms recently and that was kind of crazy but um yeah they did did you see he got picked up by h24 to make a movie out of that that's kind of cool yeah for his backroom series yeah interesting but yeah that attack on titan series by kane pixel is really really good i'm just like watching the first like couple seconds this is wild yeah so i'm trying to think more some more moments just like throughout that were like oh like big oh

[01:54:29] shit moments um the warhammer titan was interesting that one was cool oh yeah the fact that like didn't last nearly long enough i love the warhammer yeah yeah i really wish it would have lingered a little a little more but uh i get why it didn't but i also really appreciate the fact that she's like halfway through explaining her plan and then erin just punches her in the face halfway through transformation and then he hit yeah yeah yeah like thank you for breaking these anime rules i appreciate it

[01:54:59] because like hers was interesting because of the fact that she doesn't like become the titan she just is hides in the ground and it comes out of yeah yeah really cool idea just that image of like erin like forcing the uh the jaw tight into the crystal and she's just staring the entire time yeah i'm just like honestly is one of the most brutal scenes when he's just like forcing that yeah yeah because he because he he tries to break it with his jaw and it doesn't work and i'm like okay

[01:55:28] yeah how's this gonna work it shatters his whole jaw like also the fact that he can just immediately make another one out it showed how much far he's come since then it's like yeah yeah you also got to consider the first three seasons is only like three months yeah yeah yeah like so much happens in a short amount of time for those first few seasons and then you know we got the four-year time skip he's got he's had all that time to really work on it and perfect it yeah yeah that's one of the nice things

[01:55:58] that they show you dates so you get a really good idea of uh yeah time yeah i mean not only that but you can get that he has more of a control over this power because when he does get the warhammer titan power he like almost could can use it pretty immediately like he has pretty much control of these powers even though he's they're fresh they're brand new to him pretty pretty quickly did it make anybody else highly annoyed that uh falco literally became a bird

[01:56:24] i knew i love it immediately i knew the second season four started we're like this guy's gonna be a titan and he's gonna fly yeah like there's no yeah he's gonna fly yeah yeah yeah i just didn't think twice about it that he flew and i just you know head on desk like annoyed that's like bird uh isn't that the titan that gets past the most throughout the series the job it's like it was

[01:56:49] marcel to yamir yamir to um galliard yeah and then he's a bird he got sucked yeah well he shows up for like a scene and then dies and dies he's just there to shit on reiner he gets used as a nutcracker at one point and then yeah well it's it's shitting on reiner that's kind of uh earned though when it's the

[01:57:18] reiner's fault that his brother died yeah well technically it's his brother's fault that his brother died it's also reiner's fault right you wouldn't reiner wouldn't have been there if it wasn't for you know him lying about the whole thing hey he was just trying to take a nap and they stepped on her ground so she came out and ate him it's just yummy um does anybody think it's kind of odd that yamir is the only one who's pure tight who's like titan shifter form is the same as her

[01:57:46] pure titan oh that's true i never really i didn't even think about that hers is pretty so i don't you'd have to argue annie's that was like well we never saw annie's pure titan oh i see what you mean yeah yeah like before she ate the shifter to become the oh that was another one bill did you notice that in the tower when yamir's like fighting off they're about to like bite their hands yeah thing and yeah bertal's in the background like ah he's about to he's about to do and the tower's crumbling yeah yeah

[01:58:13] yeah any basically any when i re-watched specific scenes i was like always watching like reiner and bertal i'm like yeah to see what they're doing where are you well because that whole scene when they're training where like uh aaron's chatting with ryder and he's like you think you can take her and they like immediately go to annie and i'm like like these three know each other and then it's like you realize that you realize it later and you're like son of a they really do know each other yeah i was like

[01:58:40] one of the best moments of the whole show annie and the pie yeah yes she's just like stopped like a chipmunk she's got a pie and connie just like before they any of them even really acknowledges he's there connie just starts losing his shit laughing at her yeah yeah oh connie's mom that's another really sad thing oh yeah it worked out by the end though yeah aaron did him that one solid yep

[01:59:11] yeah although this i'm thinking of like scenes that alex ruined for me and one of the ones permanently is the scene when when they capture when they capture aaron and he's up in the tree with them and now i just think of that stupid fucking reel video they did little arms they edited like chipmunk sounds over it it was a fish it was actually a fish whatever i can't unsee that goddamn reel now

[01:59:38] just the scene of like of reiner yeeting erin away there i'm just like i can't unsee it i'm gonna find it so we were talking about the dub actors earlier like we i mentioned like bryce pappenbrook me and alex had been to uh we went to kineticon earlier this year or earlier last year and he was one of the guests there the line the line for for bryce pappenbrook was insane

[02:00:06] i believe it like every other booth was pretty manageable the two booths that were like in like mental like you could not get get to was bryce pappenbrook and then the bluey voice uh bluey's dad that's so funny i love that so much they put them right next to each other so there's just this giant clusterfuck of people right there i'm like they did not think this through how many

[02:00:31] people do you think went from one line to the other like they got from blue yeah like got got both autographs you know what's funny though about bryce pappenbrook like before aaron he was famous for he'd always play like the young boy protagonists like he was always known for that one voice and then he goes and does aaron and that's literally the same voice he does for aaron yeah but now it's like it's it's it's just the aaron yeager voice yeah yeah i just watched the

[02:00:58] show with him and i'm just like oh it's just aaron yeager yeah it's pretty wild though how even like before attack on titan really blew up like how many main characters he got like i think he might he might be in the top running for like voice actors who have the most main roles yeah well there he was he was controversial when he got aaron because a lot of people he was so typecast into one specific role no one thought he could pull it off no the other one i was gonna say that's a fun one

[02:01:24] once you hear in the english dub you can't really unhear it uh english connie is the same as uh i can't think of the voice actor's name but he also does bakugo in my hero academia oh really oh yeah yeah yeah so it's uh it's really funny you're like oh it's just really stupid bakugo i actually i actually just went through all of my heroes so yeah i don't know i picked that up pretty quick that's crazy i did not pick up on that let me uh who is that i can bring it up real quick

[02:01:51] clifford chappin oh it's it's replacement uh mayuki and um kaguya sama yep for that one season that uh air disc me was busy was uh sick uh he was he was in that too i think he just did like a lot of like minor roles in attack on titan like there's most of the the the funimation like uh people are we're here like matt mercer is levi that's just iconic yeah yeah well like you hear that voice you

[02:02:18] just know it's matt mercer oh absolutely if if this anime was made like 10 years earlier it probably would have been troy baker so i mean let's be real here um yeah j j uh j michael tatum as uh erwin like that's a pretty good one i like how i like how it has i like how it has attack titan listed here i would just question mark on who voiced it it's like it's like oh um who could even do that

[02:02:43] like right yeah now there's a ton of like well-known uh yeah dub is good dub is really good yeah i think it's one of like the best english dubs yeah like it's funny for me oh god well i was just gonna say like early on there's like like when i think of like actually no i lost it someone else go i just lost what i found the video bill oh jeez oh no here we go

[02:03:15] so stupid oh yeah this i had a good chuckle i don't know why she sends me this on the daily what the hell he kicks him off and he goes flying you see the little nub arms go he kicks him off and he goes flying you see the little nub arms go he kicks him off and he goes flying you

[02:03:38] like he's like oh yeah i'm just gonna say like it's funny how like when you look at like how serious attack on titan is like with some of these actors and then you look at some of their other roles like like when we mentioned uh j michael tatum like i can't like one of the first roles that like i really noticed him as an actor was from uh i believe bill is the only one who would get this

[02:04:06] but bacchano his character of bacchano such a contrast between the two like yeah um i'm trying to see it another well notable ones i mean uh reiner robert mccallum oh yeah right reiner is um reiner is like adult goten yep you'll never really hear that you'll never ever knew that but yeah i've heard him in a ton of stuff but i never i never knew that he played goten oh yeah

[02:04:35] that's crazy yeah he's he's adult goten when he during his player phase in gt i was gonna say i'm really happy to know about the only one who puts up like behind the voice actors when i'm watching an anime like who the hell was this i know i know this all the time because i'm always like oh yeah no definitely oh he plays in kaiju as well i like need it all right bill do you have any other good standout moments uh well i was gonna say like they i loved like little subtle things too like

[02:05:03] early on in season one when we have like the whole like the gang of all like the fresh recruits who are all doomed to die uh there's the there's the two of them that are like lovers and they're like always like like with each other yeah and i'm like i'm like oh they're they're they're gonna die first but then like i had the uh i literally had the um the uh leonardo dicaprio like a meme like the point meme yeah where uh in uh the junior high they're in the background kissing at one point i'm like

[02:05:30] there it is hey i saw those two i saw those two i'm like ah like yes that meme is essentially like when you're doing the re-watch of the show oh that's the entire time yeah that's me at every second of that we're watching this show it was so hard uh re-watching it with my fiancee on the couch and just tried to not like hold things in yeah just not to give expose or be like you know like a gasp

[02:05:56] for something new i noticed yeah do the stereotypical like pause and explain kind of situation like the lord of the rings kicking the kicking the helmet thing yep broken toes broken toes yeah so funny so what was everybody's favorite opener oh i mean the first one the first one is very iconic yes i

[02:06:22] have a lot of nostalgia with that because i didn't watch it when it came out so i have like that that sound is like embedded into my brain now that and then the junior high does like the weirdly happy version of it yeah i love the the uh cooking episode ova where they do the same opening but it's all about sean yep yeah that was good that was very good i mean they're all really good i yeah i

[02:06:49] like the ones like the ones with like the grit uh like gratuitous like latin choir just in the background yeah that just gets me hyped i i really i really love rumbling though i love when you listen to the full song and for five seconds just like hey let's be reggae for a second like yeah sure rumbling is a great gym song if you need a good workout playlist it's i end up listening to it so much just because

[02:07:16] it's a really good workout song i mean i me and alex both have like full playlists of just anime openings yeah oh yeah absolutely spotify they're perfect gym music yep i love when you're growing anybody do what i know my war my war grew on me over time yeah yeah that's the same thing i feel like everybody hears it initially like this is awful and then the more you hear it you're like all right i guess i can kind of dig it then by the end you're like yeah that's good yep there's one it's i think it's

[02:07:46] season three it's a slower opening but that one also grew on me too that one's red that is red swan yeah that's that one's my favorite i just think red swan's really good red swan's really good yeah it is i think this might still be my favorite so yeah it's good too i will say the outro and at the end of season three with like the water and stuff i was like this is so happy i shouldn't be happy

[02:08:10] i'm not i'm not allowed to be happy i'm like i'm like i hate you anime i told you that was the good ending if you wanted the happy ending you stopped there yep man there was stories to solve though i know the reveal when he when he's first getting grisha's memories and like when they're on the wall and they knock the wife off and she transforms and you like realize yeah yeah like holy shit like that was such a

[02:08:37] like those last few episodes of season three were such a like like i was glued to the screen yeah i like how they have like reveals and then they have reveals about said reveals later on reveals on reveals yeah i i'm curious because obviously with shows like this and not watching them when they're out or when they're like they're they're hype and everything like there's a lot of hype especially with this i imagine there's a lot of hype built up to this did it live up to the hype for you so i will say

[02:09:07] so i'll i'll i'll i'll two tier this a little bit oh my god the fact that i somehow avoided spoilers the entire time yeah that i don't know because i mean i famously got spoiled for oshinoko in the formula one subreddit of all things yeah like like that's crazy stuff like that like i like yeah but i've some i somehow avoided um spoilers for attack on titan i think it's because i i instinctively like

[02:09:33] because my main thing i always said with it was i don't want to watch it till it's over because i want to know if it has a good ending or not before i because i i didn't want it to have a situation where i i get halfway through and i find out the ending was and then i'm invested and then it's yeah i will say watching it the ending despite it breaking my brain and i'm still not sure about it was very satisfying like when i finally saw the the end title card i kind of like took a nod and was like

[02:10:03] i did it like yeah we all felt that way especially after the how they broke up season four it was like i mean i was sad that it was over but it was like i'm done yeah finally we're done with this end of an era yeah for sure like i think i did an all-nighter watching season three watching season four i think i i think you did yeah well because it was it was a vacation weekend and like i was i had nothing

[02:10:28] planned for the next day so i think i straight up started watching it at like six and then the next thing i knew it was like six in the morning yeah and i was just like i was like i i'm dead inside oh no i watched everything but the two final specials yeah that's good too because now you'll have that like association right you'll get like nostalgic feelings of like oh remember that time that i did that all-nighter and watch like almost the ending of attack on titan like you're gonna start associating those memories with it and that's fun those are cool to do it was interesting

[02:10:57] because like i i'm very burned out on like long animes right now like episode 800 of one piece i'm almost there guys i'm kidding like i i think about it like i think i think uh naruto ship it and was the one that kind of did it for me whereas yeah because i watched a lot of filmics want to rip my eyes out in that yeah i watched all of that and it took me like an almost an entire year i mean i did most i did most of it in covid so that was kind of what helped but getting through that it was kind

[02:11:27] of like i was like i just i don't want to watch long animes anymore i just want to watch short ones so i kind of had this like thing for a while where i was only watching like 26ers at most yeah then i watched uh i the the next long series i watched after that which was a mistake just because the way i did it was ronnie kenshin um which first two seasons great season three is a dumpster fire because it was all filler but um oh god a filler season awful yeah it took me so long to get through

[02:11:54] that that i just kind of like because if you if you listen to um our episode last last year going through all the animes we watched i mentioned how like i watched veroni kenshin then i took a break for like five months so animated out so burnt out yep yeah yeah you haven't been this year though you've been watching other stuff after you did attack them yeah we could sing the shoes song again yeah you might want to watch the gnc episode that came out earlier uh at the time of this recording

[02:12:25] not gonna lie the scene i got tired of seeing that like that um transformation sequence after like four episodes but the one where the one where they actually remember i'm just saying the one where they noticed they actually took into account the fact that she wasn't wearing pants at the time i was like like god damn they actually thought of that so have you jared have you seen this no i haven't it's

[02:12:49] it's a map original it's a map original where a animator dies at work and then gets isekai'd which i think is kind of on the nose what's what's it called zenshu oh yeah it's a 12 or it's quick it's worth it so i i watched it week to week and by the way i was also annoyed with the zenshu i was i was like skipping at that but i was like yep i don't need to see her get teleported again i'm good see i binged it in one sitting so i just saw that about 12 times over and over and

[02:13:18] that's funny best magical girl transformation ever i like that this is also a bill's long way to avoid saying that yes he liked attack on titan yeah i'll see i never got an answer yeah yeah i don't think he wants to admit that we were right i enjoyed i enjoyed the experience i still don't know what i think of the show though that is where you don't regret it though you don't know i'm glad i finally got it that's that's all that matters great so that was the part that's the part where you watch it again yeah

[02:13:47] well he's watching it a second time already so obviously yeah he's he's invested we got him i watched um i i have it i will say i haven't watched it fully through i've i've picked out specific sections just because i'm like i need to know yeah but um yeah no i i enjoyed it a lot um good i'm still not we get we got him we got him boys we got i still now we bully him to watch joe yes yeah that's what i was thinking

[02:14:17] together i haven't watched it either we'll just do it together all right double bullying that'll be next year's challenge like jojo's is also long i'm watching one piece guys jojo's so long jojo's not long jojo's is different because it has the benefit of being separate that section yes yes so you could watch like you know part one and then take a month break and then start part two that's fair and these these seasons are this is what 26 episodes uh yeah except for season three which is

[02:14:46] like 50 or 60 episodes i mean you're right i'm watching one piece arcs that are like 110 episodes long so i guess that's yeah part no part three of jojo is really long trust me once you once you really start getting rolling especially in part three you're you're not going to want to stop yeah isn't there new jojo did i see a ball run yeah okay steel ball run we get like jesus this time yeah what the fuck is happening it's a jojo reference jesus is a jojo reference that's all

[02:15:16] you need to know everything i will say though anytime i hear walk like an egyptian come on at work i still think jojo's so or um what was it round about yeah yeah yeah i just think of that bass line though yeah i'm putting jojo's on my watch list i will finish it well and that's like the fun part about jojo's is all the endings are like different songs my

[02:15:43] favorite one is from uh part part five oh of course it is of course it is how can it not be i'm feeling so horny oh boy look i don't think they picked a bad song for any of them though like they've always been bangers and that's the other thing is that like you know all the characters on jojo are uh like musical references so you know a lot of people interesting a lot of people would have just made

[02:16:12] like a playlist to share with their friends not iraqi you made a fucking anime job kind of ruins it though yeah you had to for legal legal reasons yeah but uh no it's good all right so bill next we'll see you again in two years when you finally wrap up jojo jojo's yep well we can check yeah i'm down let's do it let's do it so when we get to the end of the year the the round the roundup uh wrap up that'll be a good

[02:16:42] noodle homework we'll challenge we'll challenge each other to different shows again and then we'll see where it goes yeah yeah we do not watching people in the water dragon ball what i was just so good it's the best one i watched it front to back for the first time last year and it's good it i mean there's there's peaks and valleys for sure right there is times where i was like man this is just slugging but at the end of it i was like this is great i almost i need to watch c again but i almost

[02:17:08] liked it better than z i think it's better than z okay yeah i definitely is but you know what alex you you signed yourself up for that because i told you you should watch kai you said no i'm gonna watch no no no no i bullied her into watching the original bill bullied me into watching the whole thing and i because she had to see the filler she had to experience that the filler is part of the journey well you had to watch the driver's license oh yeah garlic that actually was good uh the garlic

[02:17:37] junior arc i like fell asleep halfway through and i said i don't need to i don't need to go back that's fair that's fair have you watched any of the movies yet not so good no bio broly i came and bullied you and i proceeded to not watch they ambushed me that's crazy on uh alex alex crashed a geek addicts episode to bully matt into that i was like mid-sentence she just pops up like where's my list

[02:18:05] matt the best part is i was listening the whole time yeah she was in the green room that's i'm over here trying to talk about 70s superman and nope when are you guys watching one piece when is that when is that gonna happen yeah and then this is where i was watching what if they do have uh like a condensed you know chopped up version of the show that's not like no filler

[02:18:31] it's like almost like hi would you watch it then again feels good i said one piece and he vanished into the ether i tried to do like this fun little like um i tried to do this like fun little like fade out of existence then i got a charlie horse and fell on my ass no so i've said it before so i tried one piece i gave it like the first hundred episodes okay that's that's and i i i couldn't do it the the voice casting the voice casting was grating on me

[02:18:57] do you watch it are you sure you watch the animation dub no i didn't watch it so i watched i tried both japanese and english and i hate both i hate both i just what about the early one piece when it comes out so if it does sorry about the blue blue yeah they're no like the remake i'm gonna give it a shot i said i would give it a shot and i will i'm hoping the voice cast is new because the voice cast sucks yeah i just considering it's netflix i'm i'm kind of have a suspicion that they're going to use the

[02:19:27] live action cast but let's sleep it's funimation half those actors are in jack on titan as well i know but i just can't listen i just can't listen to luffy's voice it's like trying to listen to goku in japanese i can't do it no there's definitely peaks and valleys which is funny because colleen yeah colleen click and beard actually voices kid goku in some media yeah is that like i'm glad they fixed that for daima yeah

[02:19:53] no there definitely is peaks and valleys for for one piece but like when it hits dude i think it's i think it's just stockholm syndrome because you're like i gotta justify these 300 500 episodes that i've been watching it has to be good if i've been around i mean no i think there's there's emotional roller coasters there is bro just i want you to watch water seven get to that arc that arc's really good the summit war summit war is really good too you just gotta get to episode 250

[02:20:18] and then it gets good yeah yeah but i hear that this is like even like people don't think are as good like skypea like a lot of people hate on it but it is really good i know so many people hate it and i'm like let's see you're talking about these arcs that are so far away but you know if i said hey it's not that far away oh how far away is it i think it's hundreds yeah i think it's a little yeah yeah that's a good far away but versus like hey go watch where you're like hey go watch attack on titan

[02:20:45] if you don't like it by episode six that's fine yeah i i mean slay there's there's for sure some validity to it too because i'm like i am liking it but it's also like man i spent this much time i have to finish it like i can't not see that's what happens yeah yeah that's what happens to you one piece people no i tried to watch it yet right i have not got to one on it see once you get to one oh it's i'm scared because one of the longest arc can you see how far away that is it's my point

[02:21:11] second wano is like as long as dragon ball z that's crazy yeah i thought dress rosa was long the i love the payoff of wano is so worth it though oh yeah no i'm i'm hyped for it i'm ready it's just it's gonna take me it's gonna take me a minute honestly i tried which was really fun i tried to watch one these years ago and i just couldn't do it i had to read it first and then i

[02:21:37] was able to watch it so maybe you should read it slade i can't read bill i can't read i don't know how i can't read um i mean if you guys want you can all just watch a new yasha it's it's quick it's simple true yeah i i put uh yu hakka show on my list because i never front to back finished that and i really want to watch you that's the show that's a service i need to do that in yasha like just

[02:22:04] front to back like because i remember watching it on a you know adult swim yeah when i was a kid i got up at 5 a.m to watch you new yasha yeah yeah phil i have a question what what are you drinking we're not doing this today we're long past that you missed you missed the water bottle that's in the beginning of the episode i know coming up bill we still have time what are you drinking

[02:22:27] we were two and a half hours in alex no that's the wrong the hell that's the wrong music you know what's really about that i just listen re-listened to the ghibli episode you guys did oh where you lost your because of slate it wasn't even in the episode and the clown music or rick was just sitting there like like he didn't know i do what was going on

[02:22:55] sometimes like something gets in your brain and it just won't leave and you just you gotta laugh that's all i could think of i don't know why bill just fast forward you trying to explain it but you just couldn't i didn't actually fast forward her i pitch shifted her up so she just talked faster so that was actually that was that was real time speed jesus christ i'm sorry

[02:23:19] but um but where are you drinking i'm not letting this go just talk around her bill talk around her

[02:23:49] um i appreciate everybody bullying me into watching an anime um you're welcome for the we'll continue yep to bully you judge i was next yeah yep i'm i'm down it was already on like a list of i wanted to watch so i'll do it just just do a part at a time take yeah yeah just do a part of the time because like part one is maybe 16 episodes it's really short yeah yeah take each part as like its own series don't look at it as one thing because there are things that will connect

[02:24:18] it like back and forth but they're very isolated so with the exception of part one and part two like those are very closely connected yeah and then part three everything changes yep everything changed everything changed i just realized that's a fire nation attack i just realized now though like this ticker is useless now like i can't use this ticker anymore that's true nope you can't you you know

[02:24:43] what the what is now i talk on titan you know yeah yeah it's it's no longer funny um oh i can use this one though how dare you you take that down right now bill just give me one fact please i got a charlie during this episode it was caffeinated yeah i did oh yeah you didn't play the music that's fine um come

[02:25:09] on we've we've we've had our guests here i'd like them to actually take some time to shout out their shows though so jerry you've been here you haven't been here um in quite a while so would you like to shout out your show yeah yeah yeah so thanks for having me on i was so excited to talk about the show and that you finally got around to watching attack on titan but yeah i'm the host of play along podcast with my other two co-hosts kai and ben essentially what we do is kind of a book

[02:25:37] club for video games so each of us will take a turn picking a game then break it down into sections and then every other week we come together and kind of talk about that go through the narrative the music everything within that section and then kind of gauge how we're feeling each point of of of the the narrative there it's cool because all three of us have a very vast array of video games that we like so we've played like indie stuff i'm the nintendo guy so lots of pokemons and zeldas and everything

[02:26:02] too uh ben's the sony head on there so we've done uh we've had death stranding episodes we did metal gear solid so kind of the the the full spectrum of video games on there but yeah that's that's play a log pod and you can find it when you wherever you're listening now you can listen to our show there too nice i'll be sure to include a link down in the description for that yeah and uh slade hey i'm slade from driveway studios you can find us on our weekly show called driveway beers uh the essential point of the show is that supposed to feel like you and your buddy getting

[02:26:28] together after a long work week and talking about whatever is on your mind no real format or flow you can find us everywhere at driveway studios or on the twitter's uh everything well wherever you'd find this we're there it's a cat yeah i saw him earlier and i was i just couldn't not focus on him yeah i i could feel myself sneezing already yeah it gets like her fur gets like stuck in my facial hair and i have allergies

[02:26:55] too so that also doesn't help yeah i'm definitely allergic to cats oh yeah my cat is also very furry yeah so it's alex's i around cats i turn about as red as like the recording notice oh wow so you're like you're like allergic allergic like yeah yeah swell up kind of thing yes well eyes turn like bloodshot red yeah wow yeah and the only solution is like i gotta start eating benadryl like skittles

[02:27:20] that's crazy yeah they come in like little skittles bags yeah yeah yeah basically like four of them will fix me and that's i hate to say that i just noticed this but i was looking in the background of slate shot and i just realized you have the son of chew up there oh oh do you like do you like my christian son of shoe poster for the longest time i was like is that like a where's waldo poster just like it hit me and i was like oh no i don't know if you can see it here let me that right

[02:27:47] there little yellow thing yeah so that is a son of shoe medallion oh don't wear that that was happened when you wear that so that was made by the guy who makes the documentary oh gino samuel yeah yeah so i bought one from him so that's what that is and i put it up there on the shelf but it's nice for people like bill it's like the mason jar by the anime figures those who understand get why that's funny free face for um anybody who has no idea what chris chan or son of shoe is

[02:28:12] if you don't know it's good keep it that way you don't need to know if you want to know there's an excellent documentary made by gino samuel it's ongoing because the saga never ends anyways yeah thanks for joining us on the show guys this was an awesome yeah it's fun man it was a lot of fun we'll be sure to have you guys back i think this year for the um our annual top 25 i think we're gonna bring back the round table and we're gonna let's do it i'm down that'd be a lot of fun we still

[02:28:41] need to do a movies one too oh yeah we do we do i forgot about that oh yeah i actually have quite a few under my belt now so i i have something that i bring to the table i've gotten one at the moment i don't know if y'all watched it you like well y'all like chainsaw man right like jazz yeah go watch go watch look back on amazon prime it's made by the same creator oh interesting it's like an hour long called i think i've seen like previews of that you should i love this art style

[02:29:07] yeah it's nice see i just have solid recommendations there you go but um yeah anyways guys uh once again thank you for joining us on the gaming collecting podcast you can find the gaming collecting podcast on all the major podcasting platforms particularly apple podcast and spotify and be sure to check us out over on the super pod network that is superpodnetwork.com awesome site where you can find a whole bunch of different shows videos blogs and a whole bunch

[02:29:32] of other different podcasters um i used to name them all but my voice hurts but anyways guys once again thank you for joining us and we will see you all next time no you won't pizza oh oh

[02:30:07] i'm drinking a sprite today it's uh let me you you you you you