G&C Podcast - Episode 215: From Zero To Hero: A Sonic The Hedgehog Film Retrospective!

[00:00:00] Hey everybody! On this episode of Gaming and Collecting, me and Alex are going to be talking about the Sonic The Hedgehog Film Trilogy, going over the three films and giving our thoughts. But anyways guys, on with the episode.

[00:00:13] I said no! I want to! I said jump! I said jump! I instantly don't care anymore. Um, how you been?

[00:00:47] Uh, I've been good. I, well, I, I've been like very anxious but I'm no longer anxious because I got good news. Well, I guess I get, I can tell people now that it's all confirmed. Uh, I found a new job! It didn't take that long thankfully. Um, I found a new job. I started at the end of March so I muted my mic by accident. Oops. Uh, I was messing with the, how it was sitting and then I pressed the mute button.

[00:01:15] But anyways, I will no longer be job unemployed at the end of March. That's what I'm saying. Yay! So I'm sick, got a new job! Yay! Um, which is exciting. Should be a good opportunity. Uh, it's definitely, I mean, I'm looking forward to it. But you know like when, like, do you ever just have like crippling anxiety of like,

[00:01:41] I, like, there's no reason I'll fail a background check and there's no reason I'll fail a drug test. But in my mind, I'm like, what if I happen to eat a poppy seed or something that day and it fucks it up or so? Like, that's just where my brain goes. So I was kind of just waiting. And like, this was like, because like, I think it has to do with um, just the nature of the job that I chose. It was the background check was so much more in depth than anything I've ever had to do. Like,

[00:02:09] I had to send them like confirmation of like, I'd send like 50 w2s. I had to send like my a picture of my diploma to show that I like it was crazy. Um, so it took like a while. I think it was just making me anxious because I had to go back and forward and send like a whole bunch of stuff back. Um, but it's confirmed. So I have a job. So hooray. So then I won't be as anxious and uh,

[00:02:33] I'll be back to the grind. But I still have like basically all of March and like, honestly, like, I know some people like would enjoy being home all day, but it sucks. I would much rather not be here. I want to be working. So yeah, because all you're doing is watching anime basically. Well, yeah. So I haven't. Well, I finished drag. We already talked about that. I finished dragon.

[00:02:58] Well, you finished the OVA, the, uh, attack on Titan. Yeah, I'm I've just got season four in the, in the, uh, the two parter to get through. So that'll be my plans for sometime this weekend. Yeah. I have time. Yeah. Well, it's a bill. Tell the listeners what this weekend is.

[00:03:22] It's Alex's birthday. Yay. It's my birthday. 29. She's got one more year before she reached joins us. Shut up. Shut up. No, I'll never be 30. No, just kidding. Uh, yeah, I'm turning 29. Uh, it's like, I have, it's my birthday weekend, but it's technically not my birthday. So you've got your, you have that, you have that fun birthday that only happens for like once every

[00:03:50] four years, but then you, every other year, you just get to choose whether you want to have it on the day. That's more convenient. Well, it's funny though. Cause like mom and dad, like still, like dad is dad usually tells me happy birthday on the day after on a March 1st, but mom's always 28. So it's funny how dad's dad's logic does make sense. Cause you were born the day after the 28th. So theoretically it makes sense, but you have that wonderful choice where you can choose.

[00:04:18] I mean, also I could just take both, which is kind of what we're doing. Cause well, building one go painting, but, uh, my, our mom and I, do you really want a miserable bastard there? Yes. Yes, I do. You, you would have got cheesecake after it, but I don't really like cheesecake that much. Like it's okay. Every now and then. Who are you? Are we related? You don't like to,

[00:04:44] that's one thing I was trying to learn. Sorry. I like brain distracted. Uh, but first I, we are no longer family. How dare you? I'm deporting you from the family. You are no longer a barber. Barbers like cheesecake. I mean, I do have our mother's genetics. So mom, mom, shit, mom likes cheesecake. Just not as much. All right. Nevermind. Nevermind.

[00:05:13] Alex is like, I did not think this through. Oh, but anyways, he didn't want to come. So that's what I'm doing on Friday for my birthday. And then on Saturday, we're going to go to, uh, the Jordan's furniture in new Havens just has an indoor ropes course. Well, Jordan's furniture is also famous for having a movie theater, rollercoaster thing. So yeah, IMAX. So they also have a role formerly known as mom. Yes. I remember when it was mom.

[00:05:43] So we're going to do that, which should be really fun. We haven't done that in a while. Uh, so I'm looking forward to that. And then I sent bill. Well, it's like a flea market down in a new Haven. That looks pretty cool. So maybe we'll go there after, after, um, it should be pretty neat. So it should be a pretty fun birthday weekend, but other than that, just go chill time. This episode comes out. It'll already have happened. I know.

[00:06:10] Oh, well the episode after that, I'll let you know how it went, but it should be fun. Should be fun birthday weekend. Uh, anything else you've been watching in between attack on Titan, or do you need to like decompress after it? Uh, just, just the ongoing, like in between, like the OVAs were surprisingly, like, I was very like indifferent to them for the most part, because like only like one of them really mattered. Yeah. And even then it really didn't matter that

[00:06:40] much in the grand scheme of things. It just kind of explained why Levi is Levi. Yeah, no, I agree. I think like the spoiler warning, it introduces all these characters that are like really close to Levi. I'm like, Oh, these characters don't appear in the main show at all. I wonder why. I wonder why. And then like two scenes later, just dead. And I'm like, uh-huh. Yeah. That was pretty like sad though. Like when they all join and then they like just

[00:07:08] immediately die and he survives. They weren't on screen long enough for me to get attached. So I was just kind of like, yeah. Yeah. Well, that's one thing we've learned. I also outed you in the survey, in the, not the survey, in the server, uh, for not knowing if you liked attack on Titan or not. I'll see once I finished season four, people have the reactions to season four I've gotten from people

[00:07:33] so far are leaving me concerned a little. So, uh, you know, it's a time I'm just gonna leave that there, you know, I expect the unexpected. I will say though, the, um, out of all the OBAs, because the Lost Girls ones were pretty also boring. Like the one about the blonde bitch, I didn't really care. Um, I mean, she was not a really likable character to begin with. When you find out she's a Titan and you're like, I don't like her anyways. Um, but, um, she,

[00:08:03] I'm not gonna say it. I can't spoil. I'm sure something will happen. Anyways, the last one was literally just Mikasa having a fucking mental breakdown where she imagines her life if it was different, but she still ends up being miserable in the end. And I'm just like, like, great happy show. Yeah. That's what they feel like. I mean, like no one lied to you and said it was a happy show. Like we all told you it wasn't a good time. I mean, like it's great watch,

[00:08:32] but it's not like a happy story. I know about giant people, monsters that eat people. Yeah. And they might not even be the villains. You'll see. You'll see what happens. I'm not going to spoil anything else, but I mean, I've been watching shows just because, I mean, I don't have that much to do right now. So I've just been watching random stuff and I saw Bill's list and

[00:08:58] I was like, fuck I'm behind. So I need to get caught up. So I'm just binging range on Titan gave me like seven entries. So yes, well, I go by, I, I go by what Annie list describes as like an entry. So it's, um, basically like attack on Titan is broken up into like seven. Yeah. Well, I, uh, well, I watched Dragon Ball super too after Dragon Ball because I, all I wanted

[00:09:26] to do watching Dragon Ball Z was just watch super. So I did. And I had a great time. Uh, Goku forgot his tractor, my favorite scene. Uh, and then I watched the Brawley movie. And then I also watched the, uh, super superhero movie. I forgot how fricking good that movie is. Mm-hmm. Like that was one thing of like watching the Brawley movie versus watching the super movie. I feel like, um, the superhero one was just, I don't know. It just felt more like a movie.

[00:09:56] Well, it was to be fair. The Brawley movie is a very pretty fight scene. Um, yeah, well, it just like, also it just didn't like, I don't know. It just didn't feel like, like, it felt like it could have just been a couple episodes that were pieced together. It looks too pretty to be episodes pieced together. It's just, the problem is the majority of the movie is a fight scene. Yeah. Good fight scene. I think that's where the problem is. But it's a fight scene. Well, but even superhero is like basically a big fight scene. Yeah, but

[00:10:24] superhero has a lot of plot though, or all around it. The plot in Brawley is literally, there's the little opening part. There's some backstory in Brawley. It was nice to see Goku's mom and dad. Yeah. Well, you got to watch the Bardock movie to, you'll get more of a, at least his dad. Well, I'm waiting on the list from Matt and he never sent it to me. So if he doesn't send it to me, I'm not watching any of those other movies.

[00:10:51] Oh, but I watched he's still going to do that. I'm calling him out. Um, but I, I watched those and I was like, yay, I got my Dragon Ball filled. And I was like, okay, no more Dragon Ball for until Diamond's dub is finished and then I'll go back into it. Um, but then I watched, so I just like decided to pick a bunch of the ones that have those stupidly long titles. So I watched the Osan newbie adventurer

[00:11:21] trained to death by the most powerful party became invincible. It was fine. It wasn't anything. Most of those aren't very good. They're just like slop. They're mostly watching because it looks ridiculous. Well, that was like what intrigued me about it was like, it was centered around like the idea of like, rather than a guy who was like young and like immediately went to be an adventurer. He like worked for a bit and like, didn't follow his dreams, but then was like, you know what?

[00:11:50] I'm in my thirties, but I can still do this. And they went back to follow his dreams, which was kind of charming, but also it was just, I don't know. It was just kind of boring. Um, and then I watched, so one thing I've noticed too, I've been picking all the ones where they get Isekai'd, uh, I don't know why it's just like they keep popping up. So I was like, all right, why not? I'll watch garbage. Uh, so then I watched failure frame. I became the strongest

[00:12:16] and annihilated everything with low level spells, which the story is actually kind of interesting. So, but it also, while I was thinking about it, it kind of reminded me a little bit of shield hero, but it also gave me that vibe of like, oh my God, I fucking hate you. Um, so in this one, they get summoned and like the whole class gets stuck. It's not just like a couple random people. It's the whole class got Isekai'd and they're going through and like, there's this

[00:12:44] goddess and she's being like, oh, you're a B rank, uh, warrior. You're a C rank. You're an A. Oh my God, you're an S class. And there's like three S classes. And then the main character goes and like, she's like, all right, it's your turn. And then he's like, what rank am I? And she's like, get the fuck out. Uh, like ignores him. Uh, and basically what happens is they all get their rank and she basically goes, all right, this guy's the weakest. We don't want him. And she basically

[00:13:11] flicks him away and puts him in a dungeon to die. Cause in this world, um, like status afflictions, like don't work. So like paralyzed, poison, frozen, like all of those ones, they don't work in this world and that's his ability. But then like he soon finds out, oh wait, it actually works for him and just no one else. But the main thing is, is like the thing I

[00:13:40] found interesting about it was like the goddess rather than being a nice character. She's actually a big old bitch. And I feel like she's the evil villain of the story. It's kind of like Kono Suba where like the goddess is just sarcastic bitch, but then she gets sucked into the plot because the main character is also an ex soul. No, no, no. I wouldn't. I know it's not the same, but it just reminds me of the thing where the characters are subversions. Yeah, I would definitely,

[00:14:06] I mean, I would not relate cause it's not like this lady's just a, well, I'm just saying a subversion. I'm not saying it's identical. Yeah. Yeah. I, I would just, I wouldn't relate them. Uh, but the thing that makes it kind of like bad, like I was looking at the reviews and I was like, oh, like this kind of sounds interesting. Like it, the plot seemed a little bit interesting about a guy who basically has to kill people with only status afflictions. Like he doesn't have any actual physical attacks. Uh, but then I figured out why the ratings

[00:14:36] were bad. And like, then I noticed it started becoming a trend. Why do all of these isekai animes like rely on really fucking awful CGI 3d animation? Uh, it's cheap. And it's just like, it just ruins it. Like it's cheap. Like some of them, like they use it just for the monsters, but some of them use it in this one, particularly they use it for even just like the main character. And I'm not kidding. There's like scenes where

[00:15:04] they're just like they're 3d and they just go like, yay. Yeah. Yeah. Like they just had the move and like weird ways just to like do something instead of it. Oh, it just, it's, it's bad. Like the 3d is just really bad. So it takes the interesting story and then just like ruins it with the fucking awful CG animation. It's like whenever I see a CGI Titan and attack

[00:15:32] my brain just goes, yeah, I would say these, some of these look like there are some of the scenes in this where I'm like, it reminds me of like the berserk 3d 3d animation, which was terrible. I just always laugh because like, I always think the colossal Titan, the first two times you see him, he looks bad-ass. And then like the third time it's the CGI abomination. It looks horrible. And I'm just like, ugh. Yeah. But it's like, it's interesting how like the

[00:16:02] animation can just really tank a show because there's a lot of people who like left reviews of like, Hey, this, the concept is actually interesting. Cause I mean, but that's what I'm saying. It also reminds me so much of shield hero where the shield here, like the same thing, like he can't really attack. He kind of has a shield and then he kind of also has a little bit of a dark side and like, it's the same thing. Like I'm, I see a lot of connections to shield here and I'm like, huh? Well, I hope they get rid of the egregious CGI and I hope they don't like

[00:16:32] make it suck. Like shield hero. Make it not fall off a fucking cliff after season one. Yeah. I mean their season one was only like 12 episodes. Um, besides the bad animation, like the bad 3d, like I was pretty interested in it was the same vibe of like, that's what I think I texted you. It was the same vibe of like, Oh my God, like I hate this goddess and there's something

[00:16:57] up with her. Like, you know that she's not necessarily a good person. Like I almost feel like it's going to be like that the goddess, like this is all just a game for her and she's just having fun fucking with people. That's why I feel like it's going to happen. But what was that? Sorry. I just like, I don't know. I thought I saw something move, but I think it's just like,

[00:17:21] I think it was just a shadow and I'm, um, but yeah, that was my anime talk. I want, I watched two others, but like one of them was just like, it was like 12 episodes. It was stupid and boring and I didn't really get much out of it. I gave it like five and I was like, whatever. And I started watching another one that has three seasons. I'm on season two and I'm like, all right, it's not too bad. Um, so yeah, I'm going to keep watching cause I need to, I need to win because now I know I have

[00:17:47] competition, Matt. I'm going to win again. Don't even try. Why do you signal out Matt? Cause he brought it up. He brought it up the last time we chatted. He said he was trying. Watch, watch, watch Alex, watch Slade just annihilate all of us. Slade, don't you, not you either. I'm winning the competition and Bill, I know you're not going

[00:18:15] to win cause I know you and you don't have enough time. So, but I'm winning. Yeah. Non-competition. I'll hit a like, watch 200, 200. Let's go. I'm going to, that's why I'm getting attack on Titan out of the way now. Cause I know if I tried it later in the year, I would, it would just be like a, a, a run ender basically. 200, 200, 200, 200. I'm going to watch 200 jokes. I'm going to watch 200 cause I'm insane.

[00:18:45] I'm going to win. No one else will win. So, Bill, so wait, we haven't done everyone's favorite segment. Bill, what are you drinking today? Well, Alex, I'm drinking the same thing I drink every episode. Uh, Bill, you can't talk until the music is cute. The music is playing right now. It is? You probably can't hear it.

[00:19:12] Well, well, that's all right. Well, at least the listeners will be able to hear it. So anyways, give us a fact. Stupidest one I can find. Talking rain beverage company, Preston, Washington. That's where it was made. That's where it was made.

[00:19:39] That's your fact. Oh, well, that was interesting. Thank you for sharing. All right, Bill. Aren't you going to ask me what I'm drinking? What are you drinking, Alex? I am drinking something new. I bought new drinks so I could spice up the show this week. What? I am drinking a Zivia cream soda.

[00:20:05] Oh, so you went naturally. You went to big wide naturally flavored. I think you were there when I bought this. Uh, zero sugar soda. I lost you after like three minutes in there. Yes. Well, I forgot to get your damn thread. I'll tell the story after. Uh, it's a zero sugar soda. And I have to say, you know how like some of the zero sugar stuff, like it just has that really gross, like fake sugar

[00:20:31] taste. This is not too bad. It's actually pretty good. Uh, I got the cream soda because I just remember drinking them a lot when we were kids and I was feeling a little nostalgic, but didn't want the calories. Fun. Anyways, this might only be a one time only special. So I got to give you all the facts. So

[00:20:54] calories, zero. Fat, zero. Sodium, zero. Carms, zero. Sugar, zero. Protein, zero. So what am I drinking? What is it? No. Uh, serving size is one can. 355 milliliters. Uh, I can't read that. What else?

[00:21:16] Cause I see. Uh, here's the barcode number 492, 494, 29, 00, 330. No one needs to know that much. 355 mill. Everyone wants to know. Okay. Everyone in case they want to get it. Maybe they want to try it. They might really love this segment. Everyone loves it. It's not a might. Everyone loves the segment.

[00:21:41] Alex, it's an off brand at a regional supermarket. No, it's not an offer. No, it's a whole brand. It's Zevia. They do all different zero sugar sodas. Do they sell that at other stores or is it just a big one? I don't fucking know. No, it's not just a big one thing. They sell it at other stores. I don't drink soda anymore. I don't either. No, you drink like a ginger ale every week. Oh yeah. Ginger ale's a soda, right?

[00:22:08] I called you out. Uh, but anyways, quick grocery story story. And then we can get into the podcast because it's 20 minutes in. Uh, but basically Bill and I went to the grocery store and look at first, we kept going to the same spots and then I decided to be really annoying and just start following him, even though I didn't need to go down those certain aisles just to be annoying. And by doing that,

[00:22:36] she forgot to go to the bread aisle. Yeah, I skipped the aisle I needed to go to. Uh, so yeah. Uh, whoops. That's really all the story was. Uh, uh, oh, excuse me. Eh, I thought I was gonna burp and I want to mute myself I hope you're not hearing it because I'm drinking a soda. Great. Hey, I was trying to save you from

[00:23:01] having to edit it out. So I was trying just to mute it. Hey, if I edit it out, everyone will still know it was there. So yeah, they won't hear it. Uh, and that was also me just coughing up some phlegm. One of these days I'm gonna just insert in like a comedy like cartoon fart or like burp sound. Thank you! That's so rude! I know, I'm asking you to come in good. I can't hear it, but I'll dance. Is it still going?

[00:23:31] No. You just look like a fool. Well, no one can see me, so... I'm gonna just screen cap that one day and make it an emoji. No! No, I look hideous. Oh, no one cares. I've been trying to give my skin a break because I was having so many bad breakouts. So I've been trying to just not doing any makeup or anything. Uh, but then I look hideous without it. So like that's why you guys can't see the video version. Uh, but I'm trying to give it a break because I honestly think I was getting like

[00:24:00] breakouts from all the stress, but it's clearing up quite a bit, which is good. Speaking of breakouts, um, our topic for this episode, uh, we're talking... What? Just go with it. Um, no! No! We're talking about a recent trilogy of video game-based films. Uh-huh.

[00:24:25] That were probably the most unlikely success story I think we've had in the history of video game films because let's face it, video game films are like the most hit or miss fucking thing there is in when it comes to movies. Um, well, and I think it's a good way. The good way to write it too is that this could have been a failure. Oh, there's an alternate universe where this was... There's a horror movie based off of this, uh, franchise.

[00:24:54] There could have only been one of these. Not three. Four. Well, maybe, maybe two because a lot of people were going to hate watch it. Um, yeah. That being said, though, if you could take the guess, we're talking about the Sonic... Or if you didn't read the title. Some people don't. Some people just autoplay. You never know. Um, we're talking about the... Well, actually, the opening stinger also says... Never mind. It doesn't matter.

[00:25:22] Um, anyways, we're talking about the Sonic the Hedgehog film series that, uh, debuted... God, when... How long has it been since the first one? It was... It was... It was... It was... Damn. Damn. I don't even remember that. That makes me think. I thought, uh... Didn't we see this in person? Oh! No, we did. We posted on Paramount Plus in your apartment. Didn't we? I thought we saw this in person.

[00:25:49] I didn't go to a theater once during COVID. Well, technically, it came out before. Did it? In 2020. It came out before COVID because it came out in January. Oh, yeah. No, I didn't see this. No, we watched... I thought we did. No, no, we saw them. We saw Mario. We saw Mario. Okay. I don't know. I thought we saw this, but... I guess not. I do... Well, I guess... Well, we can talk after. But, uh... Yeah.

[00:26:19] Sonic movie. The... You know, they were giving video game movies a shot again after just failing all of them. Because what were some of the ones before that that led up to this movie? Because the Mario movie... The original Mario movie is like the original pinnacle of... How video game movies don't work. There was the rare success, though. Like, there was, like, the first Mortal Kombat movie.

[00:26:46] Which isn't an amazing film, but it's, like, one of those, like, kind of, like... So bad is good? No, it's not even bad. It's just, like... It's very much a product of its era. Like, it is very cheesy and kind of bad now. But, like... I still... You can watch the first Mortal Kombat film and still be like, this is a good movie. Like, I like this. There's the Street Fighter film, which is kind of... Eh. Depends on who you ask. Mm-hmm. There was... There's been two Doom films, and both of them have been ass.

[00:27:16] There's the Resident Evil series, which is, like... The first one is, like... Is good in a really awful way. Like, it's so bad. It's kind of good. Oh, great. The, like, seven sequels, though, are shit. There's no reason to watch those. Basically, any horror video game franchise that gets made into a movie probably is going to suck. Did Five Nights at Freddy's come out before this or after this? After. I feel like after. Five Nights was okay. Not amazing, but okay. Yeah.

[00:27:46] The Final Fantasy film, that was a colossal failure. No. Well, it was, like, they made an original plot, like, that wasn't based off... Any of the games, but it was, like, a Final Fantasy plot. Yep. It's a... It is a weird movie. It is a very weird film. Hmm. I'm trying to think that, like, other than that, like, not a ton of films, like, have done well. Most of them... Most... And that's also probably why there hasn't been a lot of follow-ups or, like, any other one. Because most of them have done not great.

[00:28:16] Done poorly. And I probably... Well, it's like Mortal Kombat was one of the ones that was good and then the sequel was terrible. Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, it's interesting. And then... So, do you remember when the first trailer for Sonic the Hedgehog came out? Do you remember that amazing day? Let's... Let's talk a little... Well, you gotta remember, this was a multi-tiered thing. Um... This movie began production...

[00:28:46] The idea for a film adaption of, like, Sonic dates back to fucking 93. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. They were... They had been toying with this idea for quite some time. It basically was one of those things where it was constantly like, yeah, we'll make a movie. And then, like, Mario Brothers and Street Fighter failed. And people were like, maybe not. But they were still kind of like, we want to make a movie. Well, they did do a digital one. Technically, this is the first Sonic movie.

[00:29:16] The first official movie. There is... There is the Sonic OVA, which was released over here as Sonic the Hedgehog the movie. But that's just a can't... That's just an OVA, like a two-episode OVA that they edited together. That they made into a movie. Yep. Which has one of the greatest, like... It's so bad, but amazing. Like... You might think, you might know everything I'm going to do, but that's not gonna help you. Because I know everything you're going to do. Strange, isn't it?

[00:29:44] I forgot that was from that movie. That's so... Well, OVA. That is a... I enjoy that film because it's terrible. But, like, it's not really a movie. It's a two-episode OVA anime. Yep. Other than that, though, it's kind of like... They would toy with stuff. Like, there was that famous Sonic, like, Man of the Year cartoon. Which was, like, a very short thing that I'm not even sure what it was for. You can find it on, like, Sonic Jam.

[00:30:14] That's the one where Eggman cosplays as Sonic. And, like, causes the entire... Oh, yeah. That's weird. It causes the entire world to hate Sonic. It's bizarre. There was that Night of the Werehog CGI thing that was made by Mars A Planet. That's Sega's in-house CGI studio. They actually also assisted with this film, where the films we're talking about. Hmm. But, yeah. It was a very arduous process.

[00:30:39] And, like, it's interesting because, like, on paper, this film should have failed. Yeah. Because everyone remembers... So, I always remember the first shot we saw of this film wasn't the trailer that everyone remembers. It was this silhouette of Sonic that was, like, a black silhouette. And everyone took one look at it and went, that's a dude in a Sonic costume. Like, it looked... I need to look this up.

[00:31:09] Oh, yeah. Like, Rey's, like, crouching. Yeah. It looks like a dude in a Sonic costume. It just looks bizarre. But I remember the thoughts on it... Little did we know. Little did we know. It was gonna get worse. The thoughts were, basically, people were like, I don't know, but I'm gonna wait and see more. Then they showed that second poster, the one of the Golden Gate Bridge with his, like, weird spindly legs. Which is also unsettling in so many ways.

[00:31:37] And people still were continuing to go, I don't know. Let's see a trailer. Then we got the first promotional image, which was before it was the trailer, but it was an actual image of what he was gonna look like in the film. And the thought was continuing to be, I don't know about this. With even, like, the creators of Sonic being like, no. They were, like, not happy. You know, like, that's bad.

[00:32:03] Like, when you put this whole movie together, and then, like, the creators are like, what the fuck is this? Yeah. And then we got that first trailer. And holy shit. Oh, yeah. Which is sad, too, because aside from the CGI model, the trailer's not bad. Yeah. But that CGI Sonic, it's in the thumbnail for this episode. It just looks so... I just...

[00:32:29] The thing that, like, kills me the most is, like, just how human the face looks, but also he's not human. And his teeth. Why do his teeth look so human? His teeth, his little beady eyes, the two. Like, everything about the Sonic CGI model, original one, was... Everything about that trailer was just, like, everyone, like, saw it and went, this is gonna be a fucking dumpster fire. Like, oh my god.

[00:32:56] It didn't help, too, that, like, Detective Pikachu got announced, like, a few weeks later with its beautiful... Oh, yeah! And it looked so good! Yeah. And the film debate, like, we can debate on what our thoughts on that film for another time. But, um... Yeah, that trailer did not do this one any favors. Like, I remember the memes being, like, of, like... It was the, the, this sparks joy meme, where it was, like, her pointing at the Pikachu, like, this sparks joy. And then pointing at Sonic and goes, this does not spark joy.

[00:33:27] Oh my goodness. That being said, though, the director, Jeff Fowler, I think his name is? Yep. He flat out admitted, he's like, we fucked up. Um, and he, they completely put the film on, like, delay, they delayed the film and basically said, we're going to fix it. We apologize. This was bad. And they basically, like, the film kind of went quiet for a while. And it was, um, it was weird because everyone kind of had just forgotten about it.

[00:33:56] Everyone assumed, okay, this film's... Most people were, most people legit were like, we're going to watch this movie because it's terrible. Not because we want to actually see it. That, honestly, like, looking at the date, because it says it was announced, like, he announced that they were going to change it on 2019. And, like, the film, like, released, uh, well, it looks like it released in February, not January, of 2020. Um, but, like, that's still, like, that actually is a pretty quick turnaround.

[00:34:26] I mean, for redoing the whole animation part of the movie, that's pretty quick. I mean, thankfully, in the first film, the only real character is Sonic. I can't imagine. Yeah, but I want to know, like, because at the end... So, just quick... Spoiler warning. Spoiler warning. At the end, they reveal the next Sonic character. And I want to know what that fucking design looked like. Because they must have done it. The Tails one.

[00:34:53] Like, I was going to try not to completely spoil it. Oh, no, we're... You spoiled it. Alex, we're doing a retrospective on these films. It's a spoiler podcast. Well, Tails, like, appears. And, like, I want to know what the ugly Tails design looked like. I want to see his beady fucking eyes. I don't buy the whole conspiracy theory that Sega deliberately made it bad to drum up interest. No. I don't buy that for one minute. I think they legitimately...

[00:35:21] I do not think they would have wasted all that money to do that. I do not. That and, like, people were going to... It's Sonic. People were gonna see it regardless. Yeah. Um... I just... I don't buy that conspiracy theory that they went out of their way to make it bad just to... No. As, like, a way to drum up attention. I think he... Like, it was a legitimate of, like, we're gonna fix this. Because, honestly, it's really great they did. Because, I mean, I think we can both say, like, coming out of watching it, it was a great movie. The... It was. In a lot of ways.

[00:35:51] Um... And just imagine if it had that bugly-ass hedgehog. I mean, the thing, too, is, like, the redesign... It's not a perfect replication of the game design. It's close... Much closer, but it also feels original enough that I feel like it was an honest, like, good film interpretation. Yeah.

[00:36:16] Well, I think the main thing that wouldn't have worked is the whole Sonic's Eyes situation. Like, that would have been fucking freaky. That would have been, like, in a cartoon sense, it's fine. But in, like, a almost this-is-a-real-life creature sense, that would have been really fucking weird. So, I'm okay with them doing that. And, like, you know, there were some style changes, like, in the games. And Preza and his arms aren't blue. Don't tell Christian about that. Oh. I know that.

[00:36:43] So, they made a couple changes that I think made sense. Yeah. No, they did... Honestly, his design in the film looks great. And then we should talk about the casting choices for this film, because they are interesting. The most notable one to me is Benjamin Schwartz as Sonic. They did not use the game voice for this one. They didn't use Roger Craig Smith. And that follows for the other... Well, mine is one character. That follows for the other films as well. Yeah.

[00:37:13] They went with a different voice for Sonic. And I have to say, I really like Ben Schwartz's Sonic portrayal. It's very akin to Roger Craig Smith's version of the character. Like, it's got that same style, but it's got its own, like, kind of... It has a lot of personality. That's how I'll put it. Yes.

[00:37:34] And then the main cast for this film was James Marsden as the human character, which I know Sonic fans don't like human characters, but I think he's fine for what he did. He's no Chris Thorndyke. Or the grandpa with a screwdriver. Or any of the human characters in the series. He plays Tom Wachowski. I think that's how you say it.

[00:38:03] Who is essentially the guy who is Sonic's companion throughout the film. And then the star, the real star of this film, Jim Carrey as Dr. Ivo Robotnik or Eggman. He... What a choice. What a great choice. Because honestly, if they had chosen anyone else, I do not think this film would have been as successful as it was. He carries this film at points. Yeah. Like, there are...

[00:38:32] The first film, I will say in hindsight, it's not perfect. It's definitely the weakest of the... This is a rare case where the sequels get better each time. No, yeah. I completely agree. But I also feel like one of the things that really helps is that the first one, I like to describe it as, like, this is the introduction to the big story. And we are... We're basically making it make sense that, like, Sonic's on Earth. Where's his team? All right. They're going to follow up in the next movie.

[00:39:00] And it's basically that introduction to the story of, like, how he ended up there and how he first confronts Eggman. It's also kind of like an Eggman origin, kind of, too. Kind of. Because he really wasn't Dr. Eggman at that point. Like, he was just, like, this rich millionaire who was just like, I'm rich. And here's my barista. With his henchman, the barista. Who I love. I love the henchman. What's his name? He's great. Agent Stone. I love Agent Stone so much.

[00:39:29] Because he clearly loves Eggman. And it's so great. They're bouncing off each other, too. It's just so good. Also, I love Eggman's, like, the design of Eggman throughout these films, like, of Robotnik. Because they kind of kept in some of the American canon. Like, combined it with the Japanese canon. Yep. And he starts out, like, with hair, like, all skinny and, like, put together. Yeah, that was my favorite Alex quote when we were watching the second movie. Alex was like, he's not hot anymore.

[00:40:01] And I was like, what are you talking about? Never mind. He's sexy. Now, no. Like, that mustache is fabulous in the later film. Well, the first one, like, if you didn't know, necessarily know he was going to become, like, you know, the video game Dr. Robotnik, you probably wouldn't have thought that based on the first film. But it's really fun. It's also, like, the first film is also, like, a story of, like, find your family. Yeah.

[00:40:29] Because, you know, like, it starts off, like, with Sonic as, like, a kid. And he basically, well, I don't know if it started that way. I think it might have started with just Sonic kind of being a menace at first to society. But then it goes into his background about how he was raised by his guardian owl, by the guardian longcloth. She's an owl. And basically. Fun foreshadowing. The reason why he gets separated from her is Echidna's attack. Yeah.

[00:40:58] Which gets followed up in the sequels. Yes. And they give. And she gives him a bag of rings. And all the rings in this one, rather than being, like, he gets hit by something and they explode out of him. They're, like, the transportation rings. So. Yeah. They borrowed that from the comics. They borrow a lot of elements from all over the Sonic. I think it says that they actually did work with some of the writers from the Sonic comics. Well, if they did when this came out, it would have been Ian Flynn.

[00:41:28] I'm not sure if Ian Flynn was involved, though. I think. I thought I saw something on it. But that said they at least, like, consulted them or something. But it made sense. And I liked how they did that. I thought that was a good tool of, like, how he got there. But basically, he kind of was raising himself after being, like. Because he was sent there as, like, a little kid. He basically raised himself up to be, like. I would say he's, like, a teenager in this movie. Well, that's what he is in the games. He's, like, 16.

[00:41:57] I think of 13 or 16 in the games. But basically, like, I think one of the big starting plot points is he's really lonely. You know, he's, like, kind of sad. He's by himself. He doesn't have any family. He's living in his slum cave underground. Yeah. And then he plays, like, that baseball game, which they follow back up on. Which is actually really cute in the second movie. And he's playing by himself. But by doing that, he actually basically causes an electromagnetic pulse.

[00:42:26] And that's what gets the interest of Dr. Ivo Robotnik. Dr. Eggman. And that's how we're going for a chick. We should also mention Tom's girlfriend. I don't remember if they were married in the first film or not. I think they were engaged. That might be what it is. But his partner, Maddie, played by Kika Sumpter. Did you notice the little Easter egg with her in every film? No.

[00:42:56] I noticed this just recently. Because I was looking at, like, little Easter eggs. The color, like, of the outfit she wears. In the first film, she wears yellow. In the second film, she wears red and black. In the third film, she wears pink. Think about that one for a minute. And each one kind of reveals who's going to be foreshadowed. It's like a foreshadow for the post-credit reveal. I just noticed it.

[00:43:25] I was like, that is... That's pretty neat. I want to say that's genius and not a coincidence. Because, holy shit. Yeah. She's a fun character, too. I really like their dynamic. Honestly, the whole dynamic is pretty fun. And it's basically, at some point, like, Sonic runs into Tom. And Tom and... I'm already playing for her name. What? Maddie. Yes. And Maddie.

[00:43:54] And then he basically ends up, you know, creating a bond with them. And, like, this one's basically of, like, okay. Robotnik wants his power. So, he's trying to capture him. And he finds the quill. And he just really likes to lick it. Lick the quill? Yeah. That'll come into play in the third movie. Yeah. I believe he does in the first one, too. And basically, the goal of this one is, you know, he's finding his family. And it's his first encounter with Robotnik.

[00:44:22] It's basically the big story plot of this one. And honestly, that's why I like to call it, like, the introduction. Because it really is just introducing the world. The plot is very basic. Like, the only really other significant thing is... It's a fine family story. Like, the only other significant thing is the introduction of, like, the military and the gun unit. Is that the story? Yeah. They're not gun yet. But they're just basically the military. Like, the commander shows up. Commander Walter. Who loves Olive Garden.

[00:44:52] They really play that one home in the second film. But also, fun fact. One of the military guys, just a little fun little Easter egg. Is played by an actor named Gary Chalk. He famously played Grounder in Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog. And Robotnik himself in Sonic Underground. Oh. Fun fact. Interesting. But yeah, the first film, very satisfying. Cool ending. Like, great.

[00:45:21] Like, when he gets his race car bed and everything. Because he lives in the attic of their house. Which is really cute. And then the tales reveal. Well, also, like, you figure out. So, Robotnik basically gets sent away to this mushroom planet. Yeah, he ends up in a mushroom planet. Which just happens to be, you know, a jab at a certain Italian plumbers game. Um. You know. It was definitely a joke relating to that. And he basically is stuck there. Which will lead into the next film.

[00:45:49] And he shaves his head. And he starts. You can see the. You can see the beginning of, like, his downfall. The stash. Of when he truly becomes, like, the Dr. Eggman we know. Um. And then Tales is revealed. Which is, like, the big, like, reveal of that one. The stinger. Because there is, um. I truly think they should do justice by the fans. And release the ugly tales. Give us the original cut. We want to see it. I want to see what ugly tales would look like.

[00:46:19] I wonder if I. Give us the night. Give us the nightmare cut. Uh. As, like, a. As, like, a joke years down the line. I'd just like to see what that felt like. So, some more of those scenes. I just want to know what the ugly tales would look like. Also, this movie wasn't super long. It was only 99 minutes. Like, that's not the longest for an hour and a half. Yeah. It wasn't that long. But, I mean. I think it was short and sweet. It was good attention span for the children.

[00:46:49] Because, remember. It was very, very well received. But. And what's nice, too. Is it was well received by not only, like, a younger audience. But the people who were nostalgic for Sonic. It was well received by Sonic fans. Who are some of the most. Yeah. Unpleasable little cry babies sometimes. Yeah, I said it. And just a little weird. A little weird when it comes to Sonic. Any fandom's weird. The Sonic fan base in particular is kind of weird. It's weird.

[00:47:20] I say. And, by the way. I call them cry babies as a member of the Sonic. As a member of the Sonic fan base. Like, I love the series. But I will admit. They cry about fucking everything. Yeah. I swear to God. Like, they could make a perfect game. And they'll still bitch about it. Sorry. Rant over. That being said, though. The film had an 85 to 90 million budget. Million dollar budget. It made 320 million back. So it was a big success. Yeah.

[00:47:49] And it led right into. Let's make another one. That being said, though. It did have to compete with the Mario movie in between. And. Well, as much as I enjoyed the Mario movie. And I know it was a huge success. It did way better than this movie in terms of sales. Yada, yada, yada. I think Sonic. Yeah. I also agree. I think Sonic did. I think Sonic was a much better film. Did the second one beat it, though?

[00:48:20] I don't. One second. Let me look up how much. What was the box office for Mario? Because I have the Sonic one up now. Let me check. No, not the original Mario movie. I mean, the only thing. Okay. Alex. The budget for the Mario movie was 100 million. It made 1.36 billion. Oh, okay. Yeah. The second one also didn't make that at the box office. But.

[00:48:48] The Mario movie was a smash hit. We get it. I still think Sonic movies are just better. I mean. I feel like what carried the movie was the Peaches song. But. I feel like. Well, I mean. It was. It was. It was fine. Peaches. Peaches. Peaches. The Mario movie. It's still my brain to this day. So. I know. The Mario movie is fine. Like, it's a good movie. But. We did a podcast on it. If you want to hear us talk more about it. Honestly. Come back in my time. Honestly. We might have.

[00:49:18] Honestly, my opinion is probably super different now in that film. But. That being said. These movies are way more adventurous and challenging to the franchise. Also. Like. I feel like too. They're more. Like. The Mario one. I like. Put that in the category of like. This is a kid's movie. Like. I don't think it says like. Adult. Watcher. Friendly. Where these movies. Yes. They're great for kids. But they're also like.

[00:49:47] These are just good movies for adults too. Um. The thing. My. My way of putting the Mario movie was. It was incredibly safe. Yeah. Which isn't a bad thing. That just. It is what it is. The Sonic movies. They could take chances. Wait. You know what we haven't done in a while? What? It's a me. Chris. Chris Pratt. Also. Garfield the Cat. Did that movie ever come out? I don't fucking know.

[00:50:16] The Garfield one? I really didn't care that much. Yeah. It did. Because of the popcorn buckets. I forgot about that. That being said though. Sonic 2. Um. Also directed. So Jeff. Jeff. Uh. Fowler. Actually did all three of the films. And. He was. Interestingly enough. He also was an animator. On Shadow of the Hedgehog. The game. Yep. Which I found interesting. Mm. But. Yeah. Sonic 2.

[00:50:46] Great film as well. Um. How do we. This one is weird to me. Because it has a very quick plot. Yeah. Well. I mean. I think the main thing is. Is that. Uh. Well. Tails is introduced. But also. Surprise. Um. Yeah. I mean. You saw in the trailers. But like. Before leading up. You only thought. Tails was in it. And then. Surprise. Knuckles was also here. So I think the main one. Well. This game. This one starts out.

[00:51:16] Is that like. Sonic is now. You're seeing that. Sonic is now living there. But he's. You know. Also getting a little bored. And he kind of wants. This one is a. He found. He found his family. Now he needs to find his friends. Uh. That's the best way to describe this one. It's a fine friend. I love the opening scene. Where he's like. He's assisting with the bank robbery. And he. He completely. Well. He does. Stop it. Yeah. The guy. The guy. The guy's like. The guy that he saves. His entire fucking. Not without stealing some of the cash. Well. He didn't steal it.

[00:51:46] He got stuck to his shoe. And he didn't know what to do with it. That never gets followed up on. No. But. I love that when he leaves. He's like. Thank you citizens. I am Sonic the Hedgehog. And like. Runs off. And the guy down below is like. You're a terrible hero. And I think it also bounces to like. Dr. Robotnik is on the mushroom planet. And he's like. Basically losing his mind at this point. But it just so happens that a bunch of random. Which also.

[00:52:16] What happened to the other people? Because it wasn't just Knuckles who appeared. There was other people. And then they never get followed up on. Which I'm just realizing. They weren't important. They weren't close. But like. I'm just like. Making that connection. Of like. Wait. We have no idea. They were so. They were so insignificant. I fucking forgot about them. I was in 18 too. But then I was like. Wait a minute. There was other people. But basically. He runs into Knuckles. And. One of my favorite parts. About this movie. Is that Knuckles is a fucking idiot.

[00:52:46] No. But in the best way possible. He's. He's not an idiot. Like. He is in the games nowadays. Like. In Boom. Boom. Even the games. He's pretty dumb. Um. He is a naive. Dummy. He's a naive dummy. He's. He's. Cause he's not. He's not like. Rock stupid. Like the current Knuckles is. Who doesn't know left from right. Yeah. This Knuckles is. He's very obviously a sheltered character.

[00:53:16] And he's just kind of naive. He's like a dumb naive character. That being said though. His voice actor. Idris Elba. Is. Such. A great casting. He does such a good job. Nails that role. It's. Cause it's such a different. Take on Knuckles. Compared to like. Any of his other voices. To the point where I'm like. I can't. I actually don't know if I'll be able to go back to the games anymore. I really like this voice. Like.

[00:53:43] I just think it actually suits Knuckles character. So much better than all of his past. Also. The other thing too. In this movie is Knuckles actually does stuff. Yes. Like he actually is a. Like a comparable like threat. Cause he. Cause this game kind of is a play on. Sonic 3 and Knuckles. The game. Yep. And it kind of. It does the whole like. Eggman tricks him. Very easily. Because he's very naive. And then he basically tells him. Sonic is the one that he needs to. Look out for. Cause Sonic.

[00:54:13] Knows the secret to finding the Master Emerald. Which is the thing Knuckles is looking for. And it was given to him. So. And he basically has a secret. Because it comes back to like. His Guardian Longclaw. And how she. Used to be the Guardian from the Master Emerald. And they hid it away on Earth. So that's why she sent Sonic to Earth. And she leaves him with a map. And using the map. Is how he's supposed to basically find. The Master Emerald. I do love too. The scene where.

[00:54:43] Where like Knuckles. Like. Where you think. Robotnik steals. The Mars. Steals. Tom's tractor. To go chase after. Them during the fight. And then he's like. You think he's about to betray Knuckles. But then Knuckles is like. I will fight. And he's like. Oh. You're making steps. Okay. And then he climbs up the thing. Doop. Doop. Doop. Doop. Doop. Doop. Doop. Doop. Well. The thing I love with Knuckles though. Is like the whole. The fact that like. The whole time he thinks. Eggman is his friend. But then like. You can slowly see.

[00:55:13] He's starting to realize. Like. Wait a minute. Yeah. This guy's kind of a scumbag. Yeah. Well. And that's kind of the thing. Is like. So. And that's one of the things too. That's kind of fun about this. Is originally like. You know. Sonic. Sonic. Tails finds Sonic. And basically warns him of what happened. What's going to happen. But. Uh oh. They get attacked. Basically right in the beginning. But thankfully the map is still there. So they go on an adventure. To basically follow the map. And find. What they need to find. The master emerald.

[00:55:43] They have a dance battle. Along the way. Which is. That. That was highly entertaining. Um. And then eventually. You know. During this time. Like at first. Or like. In the beginning. Like Tails was like. I'm just here to warn you. I'm not going on an adventure. And Sonic's like. Well. Yeah. You are. You're going on this adventure. Were you like it or not. Um. And it's eventually them becoming. You know. Friends along the way. Which is really. The subplot. With the. Uh. Tom and Maddie's subplot. With like. Oh yeah. Maddie's sister's. Well her sister's getting married.

[00:56:13] And she's one of the best characters ever. That subplot is so. It's weird how it's kind of unnecessary. But I also kind of like it. Yeah. Um. Cause. Well. It's like a. It's like a good way of putting them like. Okay. Like. Sonic is on his own right now. Uh. And they're at the wedding. Cause Sonic can't go to the wedding. So they have something to do. But it's actually really funny. Everything that's happening. Because. Uh. Tom is just like. In. Inferior to everyone there. Or at least he feels it.

[00:56:42] Compared to her family. Hmm. Uh. My favorite part too. Is then like. When. The reveal is that the entire wedding. Was a setup. Just to capture Sonic. Yep. They. The gun officially gets announced. They're like. We're the guardian units of nations. Also shortened as G-U-N. And there. And Tom and Maddie are like. Wait. So you mean. And the commander's like. Yeah. Gun. You know. Which is totally a reference. To the fact that in the games. It was originally gun. And then they had to abbreviate it. To G-U-N. Because of freaking. Yeah. You understand why.

[00:57:12] But I just. I was like. Yeah. Yeah. You know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You get help. I think it happens in both. To be honest. Does it? Maybe. Yeah. Well. They escape. And they basically. Have to go. Like.

[00:57:42] And Robot. They end up. Going to the temple. Where the master emerald is. And of course. What does. Robotnik do? Like. They're all fighting. And what is Robotnik do? He betrays Knuckles. I love Sonic. Like. Being like. He's stealing the emerald. And Knuckles. Like. No. Friend would never steal. He'll lead towards him. And he goes. Son of a bitch. Basically. He betrayed me. What? And then. We also got an. We got an interesting twist. Though. On like. The games. Where Eggman gets the emerald. And actually like. Merges with it.

[00:58:13] Which was weird. Yeah. It was weird. And then he used it. Basically. To power his. Giant robot. Which was. Honestly. I feel like. The robot design. Could have been. A little cooler. Yeah. It was very. Game-ish. But not super flashy. Yeah. We did get to see. Tails in the tornado though. Which was fun. When Tails finally makes his appearance. Yes. And then like. I think too. They made fun of like. Knuckles. He's like. He's like. Are you sure you want to deal with this guy? And Knuckles is like. I can hear you.

[00:58:44] Also. Then. We also got like. One of the coolest. So the lore. In the movies. They kind of change it up. Where the chaos emeralds. Were used to forge the master emerald. This time around. Yeah. So they're like. In the master emerald. Because at one point. The master emerald. Gets knocked out of Eggman. And gets damaged. And Sonic. Like basically. Maddie and Tom. Show up to. Sonic. Knuckles and Tails. Are basically trying to fight. The robot. And they do eventually. Get the robot. Like. They do eventually. Get in. And get. Basically. Knock the.

[00:59:15] Emerald. Out of him. But at some point. They all kind of. Sonic falls to the ground. Actually gets hurt. And then Tails. They all kind of get separated. And then. Maddie and Tom. Go in there. Basically. Steal someone's junker. They steal some guy's junker. Yeah. And. There's a point where. The robot's about to stomp on. Stomp on them. But Sonic. Like. The emerald breaks apart. Essentially. And Sonic. Like. In like. Desperation. Ends up triggering. Supersonic. Yes.

[00:59:45] Super sonic. And we get this. Awesome. Yeah. Basically. But we get this awesome. Like. Supersonic fight. Where he just basically. Annihilates Eggman. And it's left ambiguous. Whether Eggman survives or not. Like. Yeah. Because the robot kind of just explodes. But then it's kind of shown. Sonic lets the. The emeralds fly away. A la Dragon Balls. And. When Knuckles. Questions him on it. He's like. I don't need the powers. I have friends. Yes. Which.

[01:00:15] Um. And then. After that. You know. It's a nice little. Return. And it shows them all. They're all friends. They're all living together now. And it doesn't end with the. And they go and they play baseball. Which is really cute. Because it ties back to like. When Sonic was really lonely. And he was playing by himself. And now he has a bunch of friends. He can play baseball with. Also the running gag of Knuckles. Shaking people's hands. Breaking their hands. Yes. I love it when he breaks Eggman's hand.

[01:00:45] And then Eggman's like. Oh. That's gonna be a big one. He like. Pops it back into place. Oh. Yeah. Oh. But then. At the end of this one. We get the. You know. The teaser scene. Credit reveal. Where it's like. Hey. Shadow's in the tube. He's gonna be in the next movie. He's in the next film. I like. I like Sonic 2 a lot. I think one of the things. We forgot to mention too. Is that. This is also where it's revealed. The only person. Who kept their.

[01:01:15] Original game. Voice actor. Which was Tails. Oh yeah. Voice actress. It was Colleen. Her name is. O'Shaughnessy. O'Shaughnessy. Yes. Something like that. Who is the. Irish name. She is the current. Voice actress for Tails. She's been the. Voice actress since Boom. Um. She was also. A lot of things. She's. You know. In Naruto. And she is. She was like. The original Sora. In Digimon. So.

[01:01:44] She's been around for a while. She does a really good job. With Tails. Because he doesn't sound like. A little girl. He sounds like a boy. Like it's one of the things. That it's like. A good actress. Can make Tails sound great. Um. Tails and Knuckles designs are amazing. Like they look so good. They do look really good. And I like. How Eggman is slow. Like Jim Carrey is slowly just turning into Eggman. Yes. The slow transition. Well. And then the next film. Is where you really see him become. Eggman. Like he's.

[01:02:13] Like he gets the jackpot. And everything. Jim Carrey. Retired from acting. But then came back to do this movie. Yeah. Which was cool. Will do this franchise. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Because he freaking. Steals the show. In every scene. And you can just tell. That he fucking. Loves. He's having the time of his life. I am convinced. He ad-libbed most of the lines. Oh yeah. Like. I truly do not think. These movies. Well one. I don't think they'd be as successful. Without him. But two. Like.

[01:02:43] He brings just so. Like he is having the time of his life. He is the only. He is just having so much fun. He is legit. And it shows. And that's why it's so good. He's legit. The only other person. That I can think of. That can do Robotnik. Other than. Mike Pollock. Yeah. No. He does a really. Great job. Do you think. They're going to make a Sonic. Movie. The game. I doubt it. It's been. If they were going to. They would have done it by now. No. Yeah. It's also.

[01:03:12] We're not in the era anymore. Star Wars. The game. Yes. We're not in that era anymore. It's a lot more expensive to make games. So. Most likely. It wouldn't happen. So. This movie's budget was 90 to 110 million. And it made 405.4 million. So. Once again. A success. And this movie was significantly better than the first one. Yeah. There was also the Knuckles series. Which does take place between the events of two and three. We did not watch it for this.

[01:03:42] So we're going to. We're going to not comment on it. From what I've heard. It's pretty good. I know the biggest thing in it is it explains how the master emerald ends up with. We didn't talk about the. The other. The sheriff. He's a good time. He's he's a comic relief character, but he's funny. It explains how he why he has the emerald in. The third movie. In the next one. Yes. What's the next one? Sonic 3.

[01:04:13] Shadow. Sonic 3. What game was this based off again? Heavily. Very heavily. It was. It's not directly based, but it's heavily. It's a heavy interpretation of Sonic Adventure 2. Yes. There's definitely a lot of differences, but I mean. Come on. It's very much Sonic Adventure 2. So. So. So even side by side.

[01:04:38] Like of like when the shadows first introduced to the Sonic team and then he like pops up there and how it's basically like the same exact. Like movement. Dialogue. That's the game. So. The film once again. Directed by Jeff Fowler. It's amazing how three successful films all the same director. Like that doesn't happen a lot. Yeah. Especially with spinoff movies too. Because technically I mean like there was the first, second, third and second and third are spinoffs.

[01:05:08] Like a lot of the times they don't keep the same director. So. But I think that just shows how great, you know, the film is. The man knows how to make, how to direct these films. Yes. Same cast. Everyone returned. A couple new actors here and there. The most notable was we had the introduction of Shadow played by Keanu Reeves. It works way better than I thought it would. Yeah, it does. It does.

[01:05:37] Shadow is very interesting because Shadow is an interesting character. He's kind of controversial. Well, at least the series made him controversial. Well, the problem was he was supposed to die in Adventure 2 and then he was so popular they brought him back. They had to write an entire plot around how he came back. But also like, I'm sorry. They made an emo hedgehog like when like emo was like the biggest thing in the world.

[01:06:08] They made him a Vegeta. They made a Vegeta. Yeah. Yeah. Sonic is just heavily inspired by Dragon Ball. The parallels are pretty, pretty apparent. But this one, it's start. Well, it kind of starts out with a flashback, right? Of like the meteorite falling. That so shadows and alien. Confirmed. Well, I mean, that was canon to the. Well, no.

[01:06:35] And again, the games he was created with aliens. Yeah. It's dumb. In this one, she's just a straight up alien. Yeah. This one, he just fucking a meteor strikes and shadows just in the meteor. It's like, okay, whatever. It's like, sure. And then he gets, you know, the government is like, oh, that's a that's an alien. We got to bring it to Area 51. And then he gets experimented on by Dr. Eggman's grandpa and Gerald Robotnik. Well, gun didn't exist.

[01:07:05] It was just the government at this point. Yeah. But it was Gerald Robotnik, who is played by Jim Carrey as well. And holy shit, his range between the two of them is fucking amazing. And then we also had Gerald Robotnik's granddaughter, Maria Robotnik. Maria. They don't have the plot of her having like some sort of disease in this one. She's just kind of there. She's more of just like the granddaughter who's just living there and just, you know, living there with her grandpa.

[01:07:35] Hmm. She was played by Isla Brown, who did a good job. I love the whole throughout the movie. They constantly use the because one thing about these films is they use like a lot of real world soundtracks, which are fine. There's a lot of nostalgia. But this movie is the first one that actually uses a lot of sonic music. Yes!

[01:08:01] Like the previous films used like Green Hill Zone and like a few themes here and there. But it was also just for like a cell phone ringtone. A cell phone or like maybe like a little chime here and there. Yeah. Nothing like the actual songs. This one actually has sonic music in it. As a le motif throughout the film, you hear live and learn. Live and learn!

[01:08:26] Live and learn! And right before he breaks out, like he hears that guitar riff and then he opens his eyes and breaks out of the glass chamber he was locked in. And it's just like I remember both of us going, live and learn! Like we're both like...

[01:08:56] Because it's such an iconic rift. Yes. And going through the film, it's essentially like they kind of... So they don't immediately go with the whole plot of like people, everyone is dumb and mistakes shadow for sonic. Yeah. They don't want to do the whole... But it's not like... It's more of like he's a hedgehog like you. Yeah. Well, they don't do like in the games where like, oh my god, sonic did this. It's like it doesn't look anything like sonic. Yeah. He's a completely different color. Yeah.

[01:09:24] That being said though, in this one, the way they introduced the Chows was very entertaining. They're like a little restaurant in Japan where they meet up with the gun commander again. Well, so like I think what happened was that Shadow escaped and he was basically held at this cell in Japan. So like the beginning of the movie actually sets place in Japan. And gun actually...

[01:09:52] Sonic, Knuckles, and Tails are actually camping with Tom and uh... I can't remember her name. Maddie. Tom and Maddie. I don't know why I want to call it Gabby. Uh... Tom and Maddie are camping and they actually end up throwing like Sonic a little surprise party. Uh... But basically... First year on Earth. Yes. But it basically gets interrupted by like a helicopter coming down. They're like, hey, we need your help to save the world. And they're like, I guess we're on the same side now. Uh...

[01:10:21] And that's how they end up in Japan. So they actually... And that's how they end up in the Chow place too. Yeah. Yeah. But like, of course, while they're in the Chow place, he kind of talks about like Shadow's backstory. And then the place gets attacked by Eggman robots. Yes. Um... And... But not Eggman robots. It's... They're weird because they're like... They're very ambiguous. But in the attack, the uh... The gun commander is injured.

[01:10:50] It's left very ambiguous whether he survived or not. Yes. Um... Did he give... Did he show at the end if he did? It's completely ambiguous. We have no idea. The only reason why it's ambiguous is because later on in the film, one of the gun commanders sees one of the characters disguised as him. And they don't act shocked that he's alive. So it leaves me to believe that he probably is just in a coma somewhere. Yeah. Um... But he gives them this key card, which is apparently one half of the keys needed for this ultimate weapon.

[01:11:20] Yeah. Um... And this movie is about revenge. Yeah. And also learning that revenge isn't gonna make things better. Revenge is only gonna prolong the pain. Hmm. And what's interesting is... That's kind of the theme of this one. The guy who saves them from the Eggman robots is later revealed to be Agent Stone. Um... And he's like, these aren't Eggman's robots. They're just copycats. Follow me. And then they end up in a giant enemy crab. And they get...

[01:11:47] We get to see what has become of Dr. Eggman. And by that, I mean we get to see... He gets the Thor treatment. We get to see Jim Carrey playing mongos with his fat stomach. Yes. Which is one of my favorite scenes where he's, like, going super into it. And then he turns around and they're just chilling there. And he's like, why didn't you tell me they were here? Yeah. And I think Tails even, like, says he's like, you look terrible. Well, yeah. Because he let himself go. He's got this big gut.

[01:12:14] And his hair is so fucking long. Yeah. Ugh. But he gets upset that someone's copying his work. So he ends up... That's what kind of motivates him to get off his ass. Yeah, he immediately shaves the head back. Um, he doesn't fit in his jacket anymore. So he basically steals Agent Stone's shirt. And he's like, I need... He's like, you need to alter this. He's like, with what material? He rips off Agent Stone's shirt. He's like, that'll work.

[01:12:41] And Agent Stone was very into it. We're just gonna say that. He also never replaces... He never replaces said shirt after... He just has a shirt after that. But he still has the bow tie. Yes, the blazer and the bow tie. Ugh. But they end up, you know, tracking down the location of it. And then what it turns out they run into is one shadow. But also, Eggman's grandfather is also there. And they end up teaming up.

[01:13:12] Instead of him being bad, they end up teaming up. Because he's like, well, Papa. They instantly betray Sonic and company. And then we get this montage of, like, Gerald and Ivo being, like, children, essentially. Well, Gerald is the dotting grandpa to Ivo that Ivo never had. And they go through some of the goofiest stuff in BR. Yep. And then... And for Agent Stone, not allowed to have that. Agent Stone, he's the third wheel.

[01:13:41] He's third wheeling it very hard. And at one point, he just gives up and goes, I don't want to be the third wheel anymore. He just goes and hangs out with Shadow. Yeah. But this whole time also... So right now, their relationship with Gunn is not good. Because when they had... After... I'm brain farting his name. After he gave the Sonic team the key card, they had left... Captain Walters, I think, or Waters. Yeah, Captain Walters, Captain Waters, Captain...

[01:14:11] I don't know. They see him incapacitated. And they're kind of almost jumping to conclusions that the Sonic team did it. Even though... And they stole the card. Even though he handed them the card and told them to go and save the world. Yeah. The new character, the female gun commander, she is very no-nonsense and kind of a villain, to be honest. And so as... At some point, you actually learn a little more about Shadow's past.

[01:14:40] The whole montage of Maria befriending him, it's so much better than the games. Yeah. Where Maria is just more of an artifact than an actual character. Yeah. In this one, she's a character. And I will say, when her death happened, it was really sad. Well, because her death is sadder in this one, because there's more meaning behind it. Because eventually, one of the experiments... No, they turn on Shadow, and they're basically trying to escape.

[01:15:08] And one of the soldiers is like... Well, because Shadow... And it's funny, too, because this one, it's Shadow, Dr. Gerald, and Maria are all trying to escape. Yeah. Are all trying to escape at this point. Like, as a group, and just leave everything behind. And, you know, like, go and be a family together. And that's kind of where the whole revenge is stemming from. Well, because what I hate to do is, because we see Captain Walters, like, as a younger man.

[01:15:36] And he sees them, like, firing at them as they're running. And he's like... And he's like, stop, that's a kid. There's a child there, what are you doing? And the one... He tries to stop this one soldier who fires anyways. And hits, like, one of the energy cylinders, which explodes and kills Maria. Yeah. Also, in this film, it's implied... Like, basically, Gerald doesn't die, because in the games, he gets publicly executed. Yeah. Which is pretty dark. Yeah, for a Sonic game. Well, it's never shown, but it's implied heavily. Yeah.

[01:16:06] But in this one, like, they escape. And basically, you know, the plot is that, like, the Sonic team has to go get the other card before Robotnik and Gerald, like, get it. Which leads to one of the best sequences in the movie. Of them dancing. Well, before that, though, we also get the scene where they're like, Shadow, you wait here with Age of Stone. We're gonna do our thing. And Age of Stone's like, all right, let's make guac. And Shadow goes, revenge guac.

[01:16:37] Oh. But then we get the fabulous dancing scene, which... Some people hate that scene. I loved it. I loved every part of that scene. Also, knowing that they had to film that scene, like, probably multiple times, because they had to piece it all together. Yeah, because it's Jim Carrey dancing with himself. Like, it's so ridiculous. Oh, it was so good. And the stupid jumpsuits. Also, I love the scene of them trying... Sonic and Tails planning the intro, and they're like, oh, yeah, if you hit this thing, you die instantly.

[01:17:05] And Sonic's like, this is a terrible idea. I don't want to do this. Like, don't worry. You'll get through that. But then the next part, if you touch one of these lasers, you die instantly. And Shadow and Sonic's like, this is once again an awful plan. Oh, but they're all kind of... It's like a race to get the cards at this point with, like, the revenge group and then the Sonic group all trying to get there. And they eventually all get to the room, and then it has a security system, which is this anti-gravity.

[01:17:33] So some of the little hexagons on the floor are, like, will raise you up in the air. Well, some of them will give you more... Will decrease your gravity versus the ones that will increase your gravity and make it gravity and make you, like, fall on the floor. So at this point, it ends up being a free-for-all of them all trying to, like, get to the card. At this point, though, Tom and Maddie were disguised as Maddie's sister and her husband, which was a hilarious scene.

[01:18:01] It was great because I wanted a cameo of her because she was the best character in the world. But during that scene, some debris starts falling from the ceiling, and it's, like, going to hit Tom and Maddie. Well, so what first happens, though, is, like, Knuckles, not using his brain and using his fist, just smashes the controller rather than just fixing it. So the whole system is wonky, and they basically can't control it.

[01:18:26] And then some of them end up, like, are basically pinned to the ground with the gravity, and then that debris starts basically falling, and it's basically aimed right at Maddie and Tom. Tom and Maddie. And Tails, I believe. Yeah. Yeah. And Sonic basically has to, like, make the decision of, like, okay, screw the card. I got to save my family.

[01:18:49] And eventually, Robotnik and Gerald end up getting the key, and they end up going to space with the space laser. Well, we forgot to mention. Space laser! The gun commander lady. She actually gets the card, and the whole reason she loses is because Tom disguises himself as Captain Walters. Yeah.

[01:19:14] And because of that, though, Shadow sees him and thinks it's Captain Walters. Yeah. And, like, attacks him and basically, like, almost kills him. Yeah. And this causes Sonic's roaring revenge plot. Yeah. Which leads to, like, the big climactic fight. Which I actually read, apparently in the original script, Tom was supposed to die there. Oh, really? Yeah. But they changed it last minute, which is probably for the better. I'm glad they did that.

[01:19:45] Because basically, what the fight, they end up going to the moon, they end up fighting. And basically, Sonic and Shadow end up having a really good heart-to-heart. Because at first, Sonic is basically fueled by rage. But then eventually, you know, realizes that, like, and he goes, like, supersonic. And Tails and Knuckles are, like, trying to tell him that, like, you can't go supersonic with rage in your heart. You have to do it, like, out of goodness.

[01:20:14] And he eventually realizes that. And they have, like, this really good heart-to-heart of, like, Sonic saying, hey, like, if I took revenge on you right now, it's not going to change anything. It's not going to fix Tom. It won't do anything. It's just going to make things worse. And then, like, Shadow also realizes the same thing. I'm like, it's not going to bring Maria back. And it's not what she wanted. Meanwhile, though, at this point, like, the Eggmans have already, like, they've already

[01:20:42] started the Eclipse Cannon, which was, it gets powered by, like, Shadow causes this, like, weird, like, speed, time, power thing. But it's very unstable. And it's also going to destroy the planet. And Ivo's like, you can't destroy the planet. I'll have nothing to rule. Yeah. And then Gerald's like, fuck you. I want to destroy the world. Gerald's like, I never liked you anyways.

[01:21:10] And we get this whole scene where, like, we got the two Sonic and Shadow are fighting, like, in. And the two Eggmans are fighting. Yeah. And then. Gerald's death. Holy fuck. He just, like, like, fly swatted. He gets a supersonic quill shoved up his ass. And then he flies into the weird, like, energy thing and just goes, boop. And he's just gone. It is, like, it's graphic, but, like, cartoony at the same time. It's hilarious.

[01:21:39] Like, that he just gets fly swatted. It's, like, straight up death in the series. And it's, like, goddamn. But by this point, the whole Eclipse Cannon is basically coming apart. Like, it's collapsing on itself. And Sonic and Shadow basically have to move it. But as they're moving it, Sonic loses consciousness and loses the super form and starts falling. And essentially, Shadow basically, he's, like, basically, like, you guys save your friend.

[01:22:09] I'm going to keep pushing this thing. Yep. And it ends up getting the laser just far enough away from Earth where it doesn't blow up Earth. But it does still cut the moon in half because they had to make that joke again. Yeah. Well, it's not, like, fully in half. It's, like, just, like, a little sliver. Yeah, but in the real world, that's going to cause some serious fucking problems. No, but they have. It's movie magic. It's movie magic. It'll be fixed by the next movie. Yes.

[01:22:37] But because the station's still going to explode, they have to push it farther away. So Shadow basically gets it far enough and it explodes. And it is very ambiguous whether Shadow or Eggman survived. Yeah. Yeah. But we get the kind of. Guess what? There's another movie. They survived. Well, we still don't know about one of them. We'll get to the stinger at the end. Yeah. I mean, I think it's pretty obvious he didn't survive. Well, anyways.

[01:23:07] But after that, they get back to the end. They get back home. Tom recovers from his injuries. And then they have another camping trip. And this time, Sonic Knuckles and Tails actually race. Because the first race was just a trick. Sonic. But Sonic gets lost. But Sonic actually ends up in New York. Yeah. And he gets surrounded by Metal Sonic. Which. Which I must say. We. Yeah. Fucking looks amazing.

[01:23:36] They looked sick. Like. Even though they're kind of. So. Pathetic. Basically, what happens is he's surrounded by a bunch of Metal Sonics. Which kind of implies Eggman survived. It's not clear yet. But. We'll find out. Yes. In the fourth movie. But then right before he gets ambushed by them. A pink hammer flies in. And it's Amy. And she looked great. Yes. Like. She doesn't say a word yet. So we don't know what her voice direction is going to be. But I.

[01:24:05] Just from the way she comes in. I'm hoping that they're using more of like her boom personality. Where she actually is a character. I hope that they make her more of a. A badass. Rather than. Sonic. Honestly. I was reading some. I was reading some fan theories. And a lot of people actually think that it's going to be flipped. And that rather than like. Her pining for Sonic. Sonic's going to have a little crush on her. Instead.

[01:24:34] Which I honestly see that more likely happening. Because at this point. Like he. Like. Like. I feel like that's the route they're going. And I really hope so. I hope they make her a much better character. See. We're never going to get the awesomeness. That is Fleetway Comics. Amy. Where she was a fucking badass. Who used a fucking crossbow. Oh man. Yeah. Hey. She has a badass hammer though. And she actually was using it. And like. Yeah. It's doing really well. This. I'm looking for.

[01:25:04] It's clear that she's going to be important in four. Yeah. That being said though. There is another post credit scene. That me and Alex forgot to watch. Because we thought that was it. We saw this. So. But yes. It is confirmed that. Shadow did survive. I will look up the credit scene. Basically. It's shown that he survives. And he also is fully aware of everything. So they're not doing the stupid amnesia plot. Hopefully. Yes. That they did in the games. But yeah. Shadow did survive. Because they're not going to just get rid of Keanu Reeves. Yeah.

[01:25:34] So. Who do you think. Because. With most of them. Or. Not all of them. Well. Like you know. With Tails. They kind of had that bonus character. Do you think there's going to be another bonus character? Do you think it's just going to be Amy. And Metal Sonic. Probably Amy and Metal Sonic. Because I think they're going to go for like a CD kind of thing. Like. I don't think like. Like people were giving like other characters. And I'm like. I'm sorry. I don't think Rouge the Bat. Is going to be in the Sonics. In this movie.

[01:26:03] I don't think we're going to see. Who else? Who else? I don't. I hopefully. We don't see Cream. The rabbit. I'm good with her not being in the movies. I. The only thing that would be interesting. Is if. Because a lot of people are also saying. That this one's going to be the final one. And they're going to cut it after this. That depends how well it does. Yeah. Because it's crazy that the third movie in the series. Is arguably the best one. Yeah. Oh yeah. We didn't even talk about orchestral live and learn.

[01:26:34] Oh yeah. With like. The actual. When that came out during their fight. Was so good. Like with Johnny Gioeli's vocals and shit. I was like holy. I'm like. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But. I do think you're going to have a CD. A Sonic CD plot. I do really think that's what it's going to be. I hope so. But I hope it's a more interesting one than CD. Because Amy's useless in that game. Yeah. Well. I mean. Just by the scene that we saw of her. I definitely think she's going to be a more. Uh.

[01:27:04] Helpful character. I hope so. I just hope she's not whiny. Like. I hope they make her like a cool strong character. I hope they give her a character. Well. Because that's one thing that's really lacking in the Sonic franchise. Is like. Strong. You know. Female characters. Like there really wasn't that many. Or. If they were. They kind of wrote them off pretty quickly after. So it'd be great to see. I don't know. Like. A strong female character in the franchise. Yeah. That does more than just like. Appears in spinoffs. Yeah.

[01:27:36] But. Yeah. It's crazy. The third movie was just as successful as the other two. Just as well received. Like. Honestly. It was my favorite. Out of all of them. This one was my favorite. Well. Because they. Touching. Sonic Adventure 2's plot. I thought was going to be a disaster. Just because that game's fan bases. So. I love that game. But. No. They did a great job. Like. Through and through. Like. I thought. When they. When I first saw they were doing Shadow. I was like. Oh.

[01:28:05] They're jumping the shark here. But no. No. They made it work. They did the best one. So far. It's crazy that. Like. For a series. That has so many ups and downs. Like Sonic the Hedgehog. The films. Were where they got it right. Yeah. And it was this close to being a fucking disaster. And. It also just like. Basically improved. A lot of Sonic's. Reputation. And report. After that. As well. Because a lot of the games have been good. Really successful after. Yeah. They've been on an upswing lately.

[01:28:35] The comics are really good. The. The IDW comics. Like. Everything Sonic related. Is really. Good at the moment. It's. It's. It's kind of cool to watch. Yeah. I'm really excited for the fourth one. Like. I honestly feel like. When that comes out. We gotta go see it in theaters. Because. I'm pumped. Like. Those Metal Sonics looked great. And I want to see it. Amy looked great too. Like. Yeah. Her design looked cool. Because they. It's her modern design. But it. It fits in with the new style. Yeah. So. Yeah. I'm excited.

[01:29:05] I. I'm. I'm hyped. Like. These were great films. All in all. But. Yeah. So. I can't wait. Oh my god. What? Sorry. I just like. Saw it pop up. Remember. It was like. One of my favorite movies. Growing up. That movie. Ice Princess. Which was like. About the girl. Who became like. The ice skater. Hayden Pantheer. Was in that movie. Was that the one where she was blind?

[01:29:34] Or am I thinking of another movie? Oh. You're thinking of a different one. Okay. It was like. She was like. Her mom didn't want her to skate. But she wanted to skate. And. She basically like. Was also very. Like. Brainy. And. Her mom wanted her. Pursue school. But she wanted to pursue. Both. Skating. Both of her passions. Okay. I don't remember it. But go on. I love this movie. Well. The main actress. Michelle. Trotchen. Trotchen. Oh. Buffy. Yeah. Buffy. Buffy. Yeah. But she was.

[01:30:03] Buffy the vampire slayer. Also. Gossip Girl. She did a lot of other stuff. I just. She passed away today. She passed away. That's so. 39. That's not old at all. No. Did they say what. She. I was reading though. That she did recently. Have a liver transplant. Oh. That might have been a medical thing. Yeah. I know like that. She had. Because like. A lot of people were being jerks. Like they were commenting on her. Like Instagram and stuff. And being like.

[01:30:33] I know. People. People suck. But they were saying like. Oh. She looks like she's on drugs. She's like. And she was recovering from surgery. Like. It just wasn't. That's shitty people on the internet. That's. You can't escape it. That made me really sad. When I saw that. Because like. That was my favorite movie growing up. Like. That was one of my favorite movies growing up. I love that movie. I think I watched it like. Probably like a hundred times. Like. That's just really sad. Oh my god. Damn. Well. Rest in peace to her. Yeah. But.

[01:31:03] Yeah. So. Anyways guys. I think this is a good time to wrap it up. Jesus. What? I was looking at the time. I know. We haven't done an hour and a half in a while. Yeah. Well. We had two hours for the last anime swap. Because you couldn't stop. All right. All right. All right. Well. Both of them are fine. So. Yeah. But anyways guys. Once again. Thank you. Good show next time.

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