FNGC Reviews: Final Fantasy VII Rebirth (ft. Kolby Moyer)

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_00]: What's up everyone, Nick here!

[00:00:02] [SPEAKER_00]: The Friday Night Gamecast is a Patreon-supported show and I would like to take a moment to

[00:00:06] [SPEAKER_00]: thank all the folks who helped keep the mics and lights on.

[00:00:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Once again, thank you to Lady Blake, Plox, Y.A.

[00:00:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Peerberg, Dave Jackson, The Intergalactic Pinecone, Fabulous Brianna, Chris Ware, Eric

[00:00:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Guess, Rick Firestone, Christopher Novel Console, David C. and J.D.

[00:00:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I'd also like to take this chance to welcome two brand new Patrons to the fold, welcome

[00:00:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Clanies and Diamond.

[00:00:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Will and I both greatly appreciate your support, and we couldn't do this without your help.

[00:00:33] [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to be like these fine folks, head over to patreon.com slash Friday Night Gamecast

[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_00]: to get early access and timed exclusives like DigiHate it and shoutouts on every episode.

[00:00:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Right now over on patreon.com we have our DigiHate review for Osiris Wrath so that's

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_00]: something you can jump in and listen to today.

[00:00:51] [SPEAKER_00]: But without further ado, we present to you Final Fantasy VII Rebirth.

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_00]: What's up everybody and welcome to the Friday Night Gamecast.

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_00]: You're joining us for another FNGC review where we look at one game and take a deep

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_00]: dive into all its moving parts.

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_00]: This week I'm incredibly excited to introduce a returning cast member and great friend

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_00]: of the show, Colby from the Switch It Up podcast.

[00:01:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Colby, welcome.

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you Nick for having me.

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for putting your trust in me to come back and deliver a good performance despite

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_02]: over half a year off.

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_02]: It's great to be back on the show, great to see you again.

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to have a good time.

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm excited for today.

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm really excited for this too as well man.

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you again for coming back.

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to take a quick moment before we got into the main topic of the show

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_00]: today to just catch up with you a little bit.

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I've seen mutterings on Twitter about a totally not fake return to the podcast

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_00]: space, but from what I understand you and Tyler, you met your quota in January

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_00]: of this year, right?

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And there's no talks of returning as of right now.

[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Honestly man, we got the Q1 report back for January and it was like man,

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_02]: we crushed it.

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_02]: We can just take the rest of the year off.

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, we missed doing it.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just time so hard to find.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Tyler, I'll give you a little update on him.

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I got to be better at reaching out to him, but we talk periodically here and there.

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I've seen him a couple of times this year in Pennsylvania.

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And he came down to North Carolina too over the summer, which is cool.

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_02]: But he moved in with his girl.

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_02]: He has a full-time job.

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_02]: His girl is working as a grad assistant.

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_02]: He's killing it man.

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_02]: He's happy.

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_02]: He's just living his best life right now.

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So hopefully we can get back on the airways here shortly.

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully by the end of the year we'll put something out there like where we've been or whatever.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, we missed doing it.

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure we'd love to come back and talk about video game and non-video game stuff.

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_02]: But for today, it's good to be back.

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Good to get my toes back in the water.

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And I have you to thank for that.

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a hard guy to track down.

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_02]: It's been a long time in the making.

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_02]: But we're here now.

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_00]: That's okay.

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad that you're rested and ready because we have a slam-packed show for you today.

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_00]: This week, Colby and I are jumping into Final Fantasy VII Rebirth.

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Some would argue the pinnacle of JRPGs.

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_00]: And Colby is an aficionado of the Final Fantasy VII universe.

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_00]: He knows everything there is to know about Tetsuya Nomura.

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm really happy that I dragged him on the show today,

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_00]: kicking and screaming so we can just jump in here

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_00]: and pick apart this game.

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_00]: So let's go ahead and jump in.

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Final Fantasy VII Rebirth is developed by Square Enix Creative Business Unit 1,

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_00]: of course published by Square.

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_00]: The director for this specific entry,

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_00]: who was also the director in Final Fantasy VII Remake,

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_00]: is Naoki Hamaguchi,

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_00]: who is from the Final Fantasy XIII acclaim.

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_00]: The composition in terms of the music plays a huge part in this game.

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_00]: The main themes were created by Nobuo Uematsu

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_00]: and then there were an entire battalion of other composers

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_00]: that contributed to the rest of the original soundtrack for Final Fantasy VII.

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_00]: And it is a massive piece of work,

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_00]: so yeah, we're going to talk about music a little bit later,

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_00]: but what an achievement.

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_00]: This game was released exclusively on the PS5.

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_00]: This is part of a three-game exclusivity deal

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_00]: that Square Enix signed with Sony

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_00]: to have the Final Fantasy VII remakes,

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_00]: the remake trilogy appear on PlayStation only.

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Very sorry to Xbox fans out there,

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_00]: but it's just it is the way it is.

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And now Square Enix is looking in the rear premiere,

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_00]: being like did we make the right call?

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And it clearly is not very...

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't seem to be the case.

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_00]: But when we talk about the Metacritic score,

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_00]: it's sitting at a 92 on Metacritic

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_00]: and an open credit for a 93 Mighty.

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_00]: So very, very well received critically

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_00]: and it also has high user scores.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_00]: For JRPGs or still in each genre,

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Colby does the 92 surprise you at all?

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Given the source yet does,

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think remake comes in like an 87

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_02]: which is still really high

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_02]: given the Metacritic criteria.

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_02]: So 92 is...

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot and I'm sure we're going to get into

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_02]: why that is, but

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah, it's a very high score

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_02]: and honestly, in my opinion,

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_02]: and this is just sitting at the table,

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I deserved one in my opinion,

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_02]: but yeah, it's definitely a step up from

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_02]: from remake, I think, in a variety of ways.

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely. Yeah, it's a huge step up.

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_00]: So I wanted to give our listeners

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_00]: for the show just a quick PSA

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_00]: on what they can expect

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_00]: from this episode.

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_00]: This is a huge game.

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_00]: It took me 120 hours, but approximately 120 hours

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_00]: to get through.

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And this is first time playthrough.

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I did not replay this game the same way Colby did.

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_00]: So Colby, I know you have an immense amount

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_00]: of more hours under your belt for this title,

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_00]: which is amazing.

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_00]: But it is technically, you know,

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_00]: one of the most complex games

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_00]: that we've tried to review for the show.

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's staying a lot considering the last

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_00]: one of the times I had Colby on,

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_00]: we talked about Fire Emblem 3 houses,

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_00]: which is also an immense game.

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_02]: You only have me on to talk about the games

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_02]: that are part of the most brain work,

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_02]: so I'm not sure what that's about.

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't worry, we'll get you on

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_00]: for a 3D platformer in one of these days.

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll do it, we gotta do it.

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah man, perfect.

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so you know,

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I am personally, I will say this,

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_00]: you know, I'm not the most experienced Final Fantasy fan.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I came in as a newbie, I've tried 13,

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_00]: didn't stick, I tried 15, definitely didn't stick either.

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_00]: 7 Remake was the first one to truly land with me,

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_00]: even though I'm a huge fan of Final Fantasy 7

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Advent Children.

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_00]: And then of course after that, playing Final Fantasy 16,

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_00]: a huge fan.

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_00]: So I have a lot of Final Fantasy in my backlog.

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I love the Fire Emblem games,

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_00]: so Tactics is 100% in my backlog as well.

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_00]: But when it comes to deciphering the inner workings

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_00]: of Tetsuya Nomura's minds,

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I gotta get Kulbjjon to help me out.

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_00]: So all of that being said,

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_00]: we're gonna talk about this game,

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_00]: but my biggest recommendation to listeners

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_00]: at this point is that you need

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_00]: to play this game for yourself to form

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_00]: your own thoughts and your opinions and theories.

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_00]: You're certainly welcome to listen to this

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_00]: if you haven't had the opportunity

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_00]: to buy Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth yet.

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_00]: But just come talk to us after you've rolled credits

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_00]: and then we can have a good dialogue

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_00]: back and forth.

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_00]: So I kinda did

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_00]: talk a little bit about my history

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_00]: with the Final Fantasy games.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Kulbjjon, can you share with us what your background is

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_00]: with Final Fantasy?

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah man, well first of all, I don't want to step on Eric's block

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_02]: being the Nomura

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_02]: decipherer.

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_02]: That's true.

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's still in the podcast streets.

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I've kind of resigned myself

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_02]: to my condo.

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't really want to step on the wrong block,

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_02]: but yeah.

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_02]: it started with FF7 original

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_02]: on the Switch. I've played through that twice.

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's all like,

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll give a quick backstory if you've listened

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_02]: to my show or even the show, you probably know the story.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_02]: This all started

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_02]: when Sephiroth got revealed for Smash and then

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_02]: shortly after that I watched

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_02]: on the FF7 remake play through.

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's when I kinda got the

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_02]: hook line in Sinkr. I bought

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_02]: FF7 on sale, the original one

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_02]: from 97, played through that twice

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_02]: in 2021.

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Played FF15, played like 4 chapters.

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I forgot the game's broken up.

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Played like 4 chapters, took a 2 month break

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_02]: and then came back and finished it.

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Liked it, didn't love it. I think I have a higher opinion

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_02]: of it than most people do.

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And I also played

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_02]: 16, which again, liked it,

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_02]: loved it. It sounds like you're higher on it than me.

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_02]: But I played

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_02]: remake for like 130 hours

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_02]: and rebirth I'm sitting close to like 160,

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_02]: 165. So that's kinda my

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_02]: FF...

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Final Fantasy

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_02]: background, but 7's

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_02]: my... that's where my fandom lies.

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I spent countless hours watching videos

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_02]: on theory, speculation, reading the

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_02]: FF7 Wiki. I think it's just

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_02]: a great... I think not just a great video game,

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_02]: but just a great overall piece of fiction

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_02]: that I find a lot of enjoyment in.

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_00]: It's an incredible blend

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_00]: of so many different pieces of fiction

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_00]: when it comes from just like the character to design

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_00]: to the world design to everything

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_00]: that we kind of experience.

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_00]: And I truly think that Final Fantasy

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Rebirth is like the biggest

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_00]: love letter to

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_00]: true fans of this world

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_00]: and of these characters than almost

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_00]: any other game I've ever played. Like just the amount

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_00]: of like sheer fan service

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_00]: to the extent of like what you're able to do

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_00]: and see in this world is just

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_00]: absolutely insane. Now

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_00]: the actual

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_00]: last time we had you

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_00]: and Tyler both on the show, we talked about

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Tears of the Kingdom. You were both

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Breath of the Wild fans

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_00]: but Tears of the Kingdom landed as a little bit

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_00]: of a narrative disappointment for you

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_00]: because it didn't particularly hinge

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_00]: on a lot of what was set up

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_00]: or questions that were posed in Breath of the Wild.

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Kind of laying groundwork of expectations.

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Did Rebirth live up to your expectations?

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I was so excited for this game

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_02]: and with excitement comes

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_02]: a lot of expectations and even a lot of nerves

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_02]: because when you put as much time

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_02]: and effort into something as I do

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_02]: with this in terms of knowing it

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_02]: the question of like the fear

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_02]: of it not delivering

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_02]: definitely sits in your head. So from September

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_02]: of 23

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_02]: when I pre-ordered it all the way up to February

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_02]: of this year, you kind of just wrestle with the oh my god

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_02]: like what if this sucks but

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_02]: it took one

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_02]: playthrough of the demo to be like oh like

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_02]: we're good this is going to be a great game

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_02]: and then when it when the full game came out

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_02]: February 29th it was like oh my god

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_02]: like it was kind of I was kind

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_02]: of asking myself for weeks

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_02]: on end while I'm playing it like is this my favorite game

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_02]: ever and I still ask myself

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_02]: that question when I think about it to this day

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_02]: so yeah

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_02]: all that said I'm not going to pretend to be a critical

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_02]: thinker or critic I'm approaching

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_02]: this episode and review as

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_02]: a huge fan but one that's open minded

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_02]: as well

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_02]: it's an unbelievable experience

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I think even if you've never

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_02]: touched any of the other media Final Fantasy 7

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I think you'll find something to enjoy

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_02]: in this at that because I think it's that good

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_00]: absolutely there's

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_00]: there is literally something

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_00]: for everyone in this game no matter what you like

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_00]: if there is a video game

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_00]: inside of this video game you will absolutely

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_00]: enjoy no matter who you are so

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_00]: and that's kind of one of the achievements of

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_00]: again kind of just to retread

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_00]: what I had kind of

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_00]: just glossed over a little bit when I

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_00]: talk about my history with the Final Fantasy franchise

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_00]: of course I bounced out of 15 and 13

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_00]: and absolutely adored

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_00]: 16 I'm a huge

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_00]: fan of character action action games

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_00]: you know Final Fantasy 16 is much

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_00]: closer to a stellar blade

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_00]: than it is an actual Final Fantasy

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_00]: title but that's you know obviously

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_00]: because of what Square was trying to do they

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_00]: were trying to capture a mainstream audience

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_00]: they were trying to do different

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_00]: things there with that in order to kind

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_00]: of see the mainstream success again

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_00]: they've had limited success in that

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_00]: area so it's like there's a question

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_00]: on a lot of questions that I've seen

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_00]: written on you know who is fine like

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_00]: who is the audience that Final Fantasy

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_00]: is making games for currently today

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_00]: and I would just say like literally anybody

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_00]: though because there's just so much love

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_00]: and character that are packed into these games that

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_00]: you know kids will enjoy it

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_00]: long-time fans will enjoy it

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_00]: it's something that you have to kind of like open

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_00]: exactly as you said before kind of

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_00]: keep an open mind and just approach

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_00]: just with that that mentality

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_00]: in place and

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_00]: but yes you know when we talk about

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Tessio Nomura who was he wasn't

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_00]: the director of this game but he was kind of an executive

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_00]: producer he did help form

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_00]: a lot of the

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_00]: narrative components that are packed into

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_00]: this game my primary

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_00]: exposure to him was through Kingdom Hearts 1

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_00]: and 2 so I started with that and then of

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_00]: course you know started Final Fantasy 7

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_00]: remake in 2020

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_00]: and then earlier in 2024 I finally

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_00]: finished it because I put it down for so long

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_00]: but yeah it was a I'm

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm bad about doing that to games I get

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_00]: sidetracked so easily but clearly it was

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_00]: the ending of that game was

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_00]: way way more impactful

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_00]: to me personally than like the first

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_00]: 20 hours and then obviously realizing

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_00]: what they were doing I had heard rumblings

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_00]: of like you know I had heard spoiler

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_00]: stuffs and that might have been contributory as

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_00]: like why I didn't go to finish it the first

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_00]: time I played through it but then obviously I was

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_00]: like I need to finish this before jumping into

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_00]: rebirth and I did and I really enjoyed

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_00]: my ending the time that I had

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_00]: with the ending in that game

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_00]: and then I just have a lot of love for

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_00]: turnpaste jrpg's you know going to the

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Yakuza series you know jumping into Fire

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_00]: In the Bloom and so you know obviously

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I bought 9 so far and

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I have a copy of 4 and I'm looking forward

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_00]: to maybe potentially playing 6 at some point

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_00]: in the future so those pixel remasters

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_00]: are going to be where it's at for me

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_00]: when it comes to Final Fantasy 7

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_00]: or just Final Fantasy franchise in general

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I would say that this is not a

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth is not a

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_00]: perfect game for me

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_00]: but this is 100%

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_00]: in contention

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_00]: for Game of the Year and I think it owes

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_00]: a little bit more of a replay and I owe myself

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_00]: a little bit more time to jump in do some of

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_00]: the tertiary content that's in this

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_00]: to make that assessment because I'd just be Astro Bot

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_00]: so that's another really strong one

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_00]: man and I recommend anybody

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_00]: we'll do an episode on that

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_00]: a little bit later we have that in the pipeline

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_00]: but yeah no this is just

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_00]: this game is

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_00]: it is just

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I think the thing about this Final Fantasy 7

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Rebirth is that it is defined by the fact

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_00]: that they have unrelenting willpower

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_00]: in just packing this game full of content

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_00]: there was at no moment

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Square Enix sat there

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_00]: looked at this game and said

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah I think that's enough they literally throughout

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_00]: the entire development

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_00]: went back to the drawing board and said how can we make this

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_00]: more interesting what can we do to pack

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_00]: inside of this game to make it

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_00]: better for the player or

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_00]: add more more kind of

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_00]: just like fan service moments

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_00]: for the people who truly love this

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_00]: original universe and I think

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_00]: that's kind of like what makes this game really

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_00]: special

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_00]: so let's go ahead and take this opportunity

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_00]: to jump into the story

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_00]: set up for Final Fantasy 7

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_00]: and Colby I am going to lean on you a little bit here

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_00]: because there's nuance

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_00]: that folks need to understand that I am not

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_00]: as 100% on so I'd like to

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of just clear this up but starting in

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to jump in and get us going

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_00]: the ending of Final Fantasy 7 remake was actually

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_00]: insane we killed like

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_00]: gods we like like multiple gods

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_00]: like we killed them and then Barrett

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_00]: died he got shot

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_00]: or he got stabbed something

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_00]: he died so yeah Sefiroth stabbed him

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_00]: and then he was brought back

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_00]: by the whispers that are in Final Fantasy 7

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Jesse is gunned down

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_00]: by Shinra which is like

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_00]: genuinely a tear-jerker moment

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_00]: despite how much of a

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_00]: you know pick me girl she was

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_00]: so was Big's question mark

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_00]: we explore

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_00]: that in this game as well and most importantly though

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah, Zac Fair survived

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_00]: against Shinra

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_00]: this is literally

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_00]: as a result of what happened

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_00]: to the party and their choices that they

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_00]: made at the end of the game, Zac Fair

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_00]: survives his one

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_00]: versus 100 battle against Shinra

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_00]: and was able

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_00]: to bring a decimated cloud

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_00]: back from the brink

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_00]: so almost every iteration

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_00]: of Final Fantasy 7 prior

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_00]: to the ending of remake seems to be

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_00]: representation of alternate timelines

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_00]: within the

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_00]: livestream now that sounds

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_00]: like a crazy

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_00]: theory but that's literally what this game

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_00]: is posing to you at the very beginning

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_00]: so as a result of the

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_00]: intervention of the whispers and cloud

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_00]: and his party members

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_00]: they

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_00]: at the end of Final Fantasy 7

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_00]: remake they traverse into what seems

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_00]: to be an alternate timeline

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_00]: or world and then they have this need

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_00]: to hunt down Sefiroth because

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Sefiroth is clearly posing a problem

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_00]: because he's manipulating

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_00]: the time, the

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_00]: livestream, he's manipulating

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_00]: time, he's up to no good

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_00]: as he's wanting to do

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_00]: as he's wanting to do

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_00]: he has a tendency to just

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_00]: not do great stuff for people

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_00]: but I wanted to kind of like

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_00]: give people that setup that's what

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_00]: happens at the end of Final Fantasy 7 remake

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_00]: you know cloud and the team

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_00]: make this choice they literally at the moment

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_00]: after they defeat the gods they look

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_00]: back into Midgar

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_00]: and then there's this

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_00]: like a kind of pillar

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_00]: of light or this orb of light

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_00]: that they decide to walk into

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_00]: that they cross into at the end of the game

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_00]: and that's what triggers Zach Fair

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Aerith's old boyfriend

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_00]: to survive his encounter with Shinra

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_00]: when he was originally supposed to die

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_00]: at this point in time so

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to see you know because

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_00]: you're more knowledgeable and succinct than I am Colby

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_00]: could you give us your take on what's

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_00]: going on did I hit the nail on the head

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_00]: or is there a little bit more nuance to what happened at the end there

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah so the pertaining

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_02]: the end of remake I think it's obvious

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_02]: that at that point

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_02]: in the story that

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Sephiroth has

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_02]: knowledge of what's to come

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_02]: which leads

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_02]: he's in the Midgar story

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_02]: a lot more than he is in the original

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_02]: in the original game he's only in the one scene

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_02]: it takes you like 15 hours

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_02]: not 15 but like 6 or 7 hours

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_02]: before he even shows up in the game

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_02]: whereas in remakes

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_02]: he's there from like the jump

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_02]: the first scene the first track of the game

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_02]: is a version of his theme

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_02]: so he's there

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_02]: immediately but

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_02]: you pretty much nailed it

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_02]: so the gaju referring to

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_02]: the three

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_02]: whisper harbingers they're actually

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_02]: iterations of the

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Advent Children dudes

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_02]: kadas, loz and yazo

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_02]: that's amazing

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_02]: because they have the same movesets

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_02]: in the game as they did in the movie

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_02]: so if you watch like the one of one they do the same exact moves

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_02]: as they do in the movie in the game

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_02]: so we get rid of them

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_02]: we kill the whisper harbingers now there's no

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_02]: real authority and

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_02]: teasing what happens in this game the whispers are kind of running wild

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_02]: in rebirth

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_02]: because there's no head authority

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_02]: but

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_02]: you pretty much nailed it

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_02]: do you want to

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_02]: kind of like walk into

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_02]: what the first scene of this game and what that's

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_02]: leading up to because that's

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_02]: kind of how to pick up right where you left off

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_00]: exactly

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_00]: that's exactly where I wanted to jump in because

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I started this game and I literally

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_00]: booted it up and I loaded up the story

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_00]: and Zach Fair walks out on the screen

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_00]: and I'm like no fucking way and I stand up

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_00]: and I'm like I'm playing as Zach

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_00]: what is going on here what happened there

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_02]: so I think

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_02]: at the crux of all of this

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_02]: from a developmental standpoint

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_02]: if this was a traditional like one to

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_02]: one remake

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_02]: or remaster of original FF7

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_02]: we would not be having this episode because there would

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_02]: be nothing to talk about we already know what's happening

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_02]: but since

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_02]: we again we know

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_02]: everything that was to come in rebirth and subsequently

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_02]: in the third installment but since this is a reimagining

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_02]: and a remake a true one

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_02]: they have creative freedom to

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_02]: change stuff hence the whispers hence

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_02]: the all knowing Sephiroth and

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_02]: all knowing to be Aerith

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_02]: and hence as you mentioned Zach's

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_02]: ultimate survival against the Shinra army

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_02]: narratively

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd like to get your take you wouldn't really know

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_02]: because you didn't play the original but

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Rebirth is almost it's almost entirely faithful

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_02]: to the original game like 90% of what happens

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_02]: and this game happens in the original

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_02]: with that 10%

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_02]: with that 10% being the wild

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_02]: it's a quiet 90 and allowed

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_02]: 10 so to put it that way

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_02]: but

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_02]: because we've never seen

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Zach post crisis core alive

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_02]: in this world they had free reign to kind of do

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_02]: whatever they wanted and

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_02]: you know it starts fairly easy as Zach he's on the run

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_02]: and caring for a comatose cloud

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_02]: that's the first change

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_02]: is cloud never wakes up

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_02]: from his cloud he never wakes up from his

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_02]: coma because Zach lives

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_02]: and he's on the run still from Shinra

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_02]: but because of the abnormality

[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_02]: which is his survival in the timeline

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_02]: everything else is just like

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_02]: falling apart like it's horrible

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah the characters that

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_02]: we know in the real timeline they aren't even around

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_02]: like the Mako

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_02]: is completely been depleted almost

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_02]: and despite successfully Rebirth 13 got killed

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_02]: right he did he did die

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_02]: despite successfully rescuing

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Arith from Shinra captivity

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_02]: in that first little 10 15 minutes

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_02]: it's at first hinted

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_02]: at but later obvious that Zach's

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_02]: world is just destined for destruction

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_02]: and I mean that

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Zach stuff's fascinating because then we don't see

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_02]: him again for like 35 40 hours

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah I know

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_00]: and I thought that was such an interesting

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_00]: moment because it's like Zach is

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_00]: such a crucial character

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_00]: to understanding

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_00]: who in what cloud actually is

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_00]: that like I was surprised that

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_00]: you know there were moments that Hamaguchi

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_00]: didn't decide okay let's give

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Zach another maybe

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_00]: 30 45 minutes of

[00:23:05] [SPEAKER_00]: gameplay in this moment or let's do

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_00]: these certain like you know well timed flashbacks

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I understand that this game is

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_00]: massive so there probably

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_00]: was at some point a little bit more

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_00]: inclusion of Zach that they had to kind of

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_00]: pair back simply just because of the player

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_00]: experience and I appreciate any time

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_00]: when a developer

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_00]: who despite their overwhelming love for the

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_00]: property decides to self edit that way

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_00]: because I will talk about a little

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_00]: bit later some of the issues that I ran into

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_00]: with fatigue with this game

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_00]: but yeah that's exactly right so you

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_00]: so you start out and

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Zach kind of appears and he's helping

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_00]: cloud back in the end end up making it back

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_00]: to Eryth's mom's house

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_00]: in Midgar and

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I believe she's in Midgar if I'm not mistaken

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_00]: and she is essentially

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_00]: just tasked with taking care of a comatose

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_00]: cloud and if

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not mistaken Eryth is

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_00]: no Eryth is still there with him at that

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_02]: point right yeah he so they bring

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_02]: comatose Eryth and cloud to

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah Elmira's

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_02]: house Elmira Gainsborough's house and Marlene

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Marlene is already there

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_00]: mm-hmm yeah and Marlene is still

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Marlene is there at this point and

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_00]: but essentially

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_00]: we kind of get this understanding that something

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_00]: is wrong this world is doomed

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_00]: for doom for discussion destruction

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_00]: and then slowly we transport

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_00]: back over to cloud

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Barrett Tifa

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Eryth the entire company

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_00]: and we're

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_00]: bam at the start of kind of the

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_00]: events of what happens at the very

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_00]: end once they cross through that pillar of light

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_00]: they essentially start out on the grasslands

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_00]: and that's where they begin and they're like

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_00]: okay we got to hunt down Sephiroth

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_00]: he's not he's doing something wrong we got to

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_00]: get out here and we got to start doing something after you

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_02]: after the flashback yeah they

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_00]: start out yeah yeah so they

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_00]: jump in there and then kind of your

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_00]: opened up to

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_00]: the world and that's something that

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I will say you know we're

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_00]: gonna take a moment here and we're going to talk about

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_00]: some of the gameplay mechanics after that story

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_00]: setup you know trying to get listeners

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_00]: put into the story of Final Fantasy 7

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Rebirth and understand

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_00]: where we're going with cloud and

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_00]: company at this point but

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_00]: one of the things that I think is the coolest most fascinating

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_00]: parts about this

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_00]: game and things that kind of make me feel

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_00]: the best about my experience was

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_00]: the fact that this felt like

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_00]: a personal

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_00]: intimate road trip

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_00]: that you got to take alongside cloud

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Barrett, Tifa and Aerith

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_00]: and then of course later on Yuffie

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Red 13

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_00]: and the other characters that show up on here

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_00]: so there are multiple sections this is a

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_00]: pseudo semi open world

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_00]: with open zones that they present to

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_00]: you as you're going throughout

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_00]: the different regions of the world you start

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_00]: out in the grasslands you later make your way

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_00]: through Junon to Coral,

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Gungaga, Cosmo Canyon, Nebel

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_00]: and then of course you end up in the Meridian

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Ocean kind of at the very end

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_00]: of this game

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_00]: and it's just

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_00]: insanely cool I just loved going throughout

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_00]: this world and kind of just spending time

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_00]: with the characters experiencing

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_00]: the music that was customized

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_00]: to like every individual

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_00]: region and kind of just tailored

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_00]: between going in through the open

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_00]: world exploration you're always rewarded

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_00]: for exploring in these zones

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_00]: and then at the same time you know the

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_00]: transition to the battle music which I think is just

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_00]: like Chef's Kiss one of the most

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_00]: pinnacle experiences of like

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_00]: a battle theme that you can have

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_00]: in any JRPG like this game is just so

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_00]: relentlessly good but yeah let's go ahead

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_00]: and just take that moment to jump

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_00]: into like the gameplay mechanics

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_00]: I want to talk about

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_00]: what I think is the crown jewel of Final Fantasy 7

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Rebirth and that's the combat

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I think

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_00]: without a doubt Colby and feel free to check

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_00]: me on this feel free feel free to come after

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_00]: me this is by far and

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_00]: way the best

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_00]: most well thought out

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_00]: just just actually

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_00]: just tactile combat system in any

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_00]: JRPG period like

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_00]: they did not reinvent the wheel

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_00]: because they can't you can't improve upon perfection

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_00]: because it was I think it was personally already perfect

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_00]: in Final Fantasy 7 remake this

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_00]: like essentially for those who don't know

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_00]: that is the combat system

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_00]: that's in Rebirth

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_00]: is a blend between

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_00]: a turn based ATB system

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_00]: and then a live action combat

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_00]: so you're using

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_00]: you can switch between characters you're using their base

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_00]: attacks that they have you're building up ATB

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_00]: points which are kind of like

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_00]: these chargers for super moves

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_00]: and then you're activating those ATB

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_00]: points in order to do

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_00]: something epic

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_00]: like the get downward slasher using

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_00]: limit breaks when you're as cloud

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah and to throw you the value

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_02]: the ATB commands give

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_02]: you synergy points

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_00]: exactly exactly so

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_00]: you're building up two different kind of like markers

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_00]: instead of one in remake

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah exactly because the one

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_00]: in remake it was fine and definitely

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_00]: in the one of the things that they

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of make sure that you do when you're in this game

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_00]: is because you know with any

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_00]: turn based

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_00]: a turn based game in a JRPG or turn

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_00]: based combat you're switching between the

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_00]: characters you have a you have kind of like

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_00]: an engagement system and you're going to switch between

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_00]: the characters based on like

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_00]: whatever their initiation score is but

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_00]: that you have the option to freely

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_00]: switch in between any one of your party

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_00]: you have a party load out of if I'm not mistaken

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_00]: three when you're in this system

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_00]: and what happens is

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_00]: you know so for example I can have

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_00]: cloud Barrett

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_00]: and Aerith. Aerith is my healer

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Barrett is kind of like my long range

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_00]: tank and cloud is going to be my

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_00]: up close and personal melee combat

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_00]: system everybody loves playing

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_00]: as cloud I think one of the things that's

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_00]: like most remarkable about playing

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_00]: rebirth is the fact that every single

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_00]: one of these characters were almost

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_00]: as equally fun to play as cloud which

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_00]: is a high feat to me

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what did you think about that

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_02]: no man I think there's nothing to check because

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I completely agree with everything you're saying like

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_02]: the combat is just so endlessly fun

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_02]: and engaging

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I agree with you about cloud I think

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_02]: vengeance mode red 13 might be my favorite

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_02]: character like I the things I was able

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_02]: to do with him is just like

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_02]: predatory stuff truly but

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah man

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_02]: the remake I've been thinking

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_02]: about this like I don't know if I can play

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_02]: remake because like the combat system

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_02]: albeit 95%

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_02]: the same again

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_02]: quiet 95 loud 5

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_02]: with the synergy stuff yeah it's just

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_02]: so good and I can't

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_02]: even begin to think about how they're

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_02]: going to expand on it in the third installment but

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_02]: ugh the

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_02]: the combat in this game is truly

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_02]: like the crown jewel I think it's

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_02]: the best part it's unique there's nothing else

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_02]: like it it may have even

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_02]: ruined other combat games for me

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_02]: because I'll play a game

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_02]: and be like this is really good like FF

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_02]: 16 great great combat

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_02]: like fun combat system doesn't

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_02]: hold a candle to what goes on in here in my opinion

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_02]: but yeah

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_00]: double may cry final fantasy

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_00]: is all fine and well when you're

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_00]: doing it but I think that the versatility

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_00]: in the different kind of like

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_00]: skill tree systems that they allow you to

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of just enhance and play with

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_00]: you can do builds in this game that was

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_00]: something that I didn't really

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_00]: mess with too much as I was going through

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I was just trying to make everybody as strong as I could

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_00]: with the stuff that I found that I was using

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_00]: the most like the most often excuse me

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_00]: but I would say that like

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_00]: when it came to like

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_00]: choosing where somebody to go up

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_00]: in like a skill tree I focused on

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_00]: the synergy system so that whenever I

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_00]: had anybody else in a party with cloud

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_00]: together that they were going to be able to

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_00]: do the most cool like intense

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_00]: synergy like attacks

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_00]: that you can do in the game and it's

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_00]: like whatever the case may

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_00]: be it was always like

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_00]: definitely like me sitting with like

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Arith or Tifa like and

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_00]: even like the synergy systems and of course

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_00]: if I wasn't clear about what synergy

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_00]: is it's the same thing as where you

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_00]: like have an ATB like limit

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_00]: break where every individual character has a

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_00]: special powerful move

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_00]: the synergy system is the

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_00]: same thing except their moves that two

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_00]: characters do together and they're like

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_00]: genuinely like the most powerful most devastating

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_00]: and also the coolest

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_00]: stylish stuff that you'll ever see

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_00]: there's one where cloud and Tifa

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_00]: do the thing that they did

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_00]: in Final Fantasy 7

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Advent Children where she jumps

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_00]: on his sword and he lifts her in the

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_00]: air and she does this like spinning move

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_00]: that's like a downward strike onto an enemy

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_00]: there's just like some syndrome

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_00]: cyclone or something like that. I think that's exactly

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_00]: what it's called and it's like

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_00]: genuinely like again there were

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_00]: so many moments in this game where I

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_00]: stood up from my couch and I grabbed my head

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_00]: with a controller in the hand was like no fucking

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_00]: way that just happened there's no way

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_00]: that is a lot of cool

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah so

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I just yeah I definitely am

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_00]: giving this game its laurels for how cool

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_00]: the combat is and I would say that

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_00]: it's good that it is as refined

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_00]: and as distinct as it is because you're

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_00]: going to be fighting a lot in this game

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_00]: every opportunity they get

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_00]: give you to kind of give it an encounter

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_00]: when you're going through the open world

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_00]: that happens quite often

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_00]: as I got a little bit later in the game

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_00]: my characters were already pretty strong

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_00]: and I knew I got the best sword

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_00]: because in every region

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_00]: all the characters get upgrades

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_00]: and weapons which allow you to expand

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_00]: your moveset to add more versatility

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_00]: just another layer to the system

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_00]: that the combat kind of provides but it also

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_00]: just rewards you for opening up

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_00]: chests and doing side missions

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_00]: and things like that so it's just another example

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_00]: of how those mechanics kind of

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_00]: like feedback into the overall

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_00]: loop when you're in the open world

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_00]: um yeah let's

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_00]: talk about a little bit about like the maps

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_00]: in the traversal so

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_00]: for every region

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_00]: in if I'm not mistaken this

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_00]: planet is called Gaia right

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah so in

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_00]: every region of Gaia whether it's the

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Grasslands, Junon, Corral

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_00]: um you are running around

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_00]: the map as cloud in the party but you're

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_00]: also giving because the zones are so big

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_00]: you are typically given Chocobos and the

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Chocobos have specialized

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_00]: different traversal methods

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_00]: for every different region and of course

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_00]: in the grasslands it's just you're running

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_00]: around as a Chocobo and you can do a Chocobo

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_00]: whatever the case may be but as soon as you get to

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Junon you get the ability to scale walls

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_00]: and climb up walls when you're in

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Gagaga you're using your Chocobo

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_00]: to bounce on different platforms

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_00]: to go from region to region

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_00]: and it just adds complexity

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_00]: and layers to the map how did you feel

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_00]: about that specifically

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_02]: uh the Chocobo thing it was cool

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_02]: um I yeah

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_02]: it's not my personal way of doing it

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I really enjoy like when you have

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_02]: to like in Gagaga or even in like Junon

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_02]: we need to scale the walls or

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_02]: um and I think Nebel they

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_02]: what do they do in Mount Nebel they can like

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_02]: they can fly in Mount Nebel as what they can do

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_02]: but yeah I think so yeah um

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_02]: that might be a Cosmo Canyon

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_02]: whatever but yeah I

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_02]: really enjoyed the um

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Chocobo like travel I'm personally

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I like do things on foot because I feel like it's

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_02]: more intimate um experience

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_02]: and I definitely got that um traveling

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_02]: on foot a lot but yeah there's

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_02]: absolutely nothing wrong with the Chocobo

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_02]: part of it their heck I mean there's a lot

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_02]: of side quests that involve them too so they feel

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_02]: like part of the story which is I think is really cool

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah absolutely

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_00]: so kind of just like a

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_00]: uh overall base

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_00]: layer of what you are expected to

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_00]: do you're kind of like you're put in these

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_00]: regions you're given markers on a map a

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_00]: lot of people have made comparisons

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_00]: from Final Fantasy rebirth to Ubisoft games

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_00]: and I want to be very clear now we're going to go

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_00]: into depth on this a little bit later

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_00]: on in the episode but this is

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_00]: probably the farthest

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_00]: that you can get from an Ubisoft game

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_00]: every single side quest matters everything

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_00]: that you do here there is some type of

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_00]: meaning or there's some type of

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_00]: reward for long time fans

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_00]: to be to be able to experience

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_00]: this world whether that's hearing like

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_00]: you know a vocal melody

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_00]: or like a tune that's you know in a

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_00]: very specific area that the composers

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_00]: literally refined to just one moment

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_00]: like there's a quest

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_00]: that's like the theme of that quest is about

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_00]: parenthood and like there is an

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_00]: individual like track that they made

[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_00]: just for that one side quest

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_00]: that blends into the overall motif

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_00]: of the Final Fantasy 7 main theme

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_00]: it's just again the relentless

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_00]: will to like

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_00]: make everything just blend together seamlessly

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_00]: is just insane and then that same moment

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_00]: in that same mission you getting these

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_00]: major character like

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of notes from Barrett talking about

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_00]: how much he loves Marlene and how

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_00]: sad he's going to be when she's too old

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_00]: to be his baby girl anymore and it's just

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_00]: it's incredible so that's kind of

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_00]: just an example another thing that

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_00]: people were very sad to see return to

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Final Fantasy 7 birth was Chadley

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Chadley the omnipresent

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_00]: AI that's manipulating

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_00]: this group of humans to collect data

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_00]: so he can become the ultimate

[00:35:47] [SPEAKER_00]: learning machine what did we

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_02]: think about Chadley again

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_02]: it's yeah I don't really

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_02]: care honestly like he doesn't bother

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_02]: correction he does bother me he talks a lot

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_02]: in that first playthrough like a lot

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_00]: a lot I'm pretty sure he

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_00]: talks he has more vocal lines than cloud

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_02]: does which is yeah completely which is

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_02]: first of all ridiculous but second of

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_02]: all um yeah I don't

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_02]: know it's it's whatever I they had

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_02]: to get away to get the summons in the game

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_02]: they have to get away for you to do all these combat challenges

[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_02]: he's basically just filling that

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_02]: role but I don't need him I don't

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_02]: need him in the story or anything like we're good

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_02]: there but um right exactly he creates

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_02]: cool materia um

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_02]: it is what it is like Chadley

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I know it's Dave's shout to

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Dave from Tales of Back always his

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_02]: personal like dream that we're able to kill

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_02]: him in the third part um but

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know I do

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_02]: not know if we're gonna cross that bridge

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_02]: but uh I think at this point we have to open

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_00]: anything I'm

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm personally open to that possibility

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_00]: because there are summons fights

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_00]: in this game summon fights that in this

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_00]: game that are genuinely insane

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_00]: and awesome and like all inspiring some of

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_00]: them I didn't even play

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_00]: just because I didn't have time or I just I didn't

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_00]: pursue quest lines a little

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_00]: bit farther but yeah so

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_00]: he is uh he's very funny and of course

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_00]: you're you know his ideas that

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_00]: you're doing side missions you're interacting

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_00]: with open world icons you're

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_00]: you know unlocking radio towers to unlock

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_00]: more parts in the map and that allows

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_00]: you access to new materia

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_00]: materia are the balls of orb that have

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Mako in them that allow

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_00]: that allow cloud in his team to

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of adjust um they're kind of the

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_00]: main component that allows you to do different

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_00]: types of builds in this game

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_00]: um when you add them into

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_00]: different weapons it's going to allow

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_00]: your character to do certain things whether

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_00]: that's increase their attack or whether

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_00]: that's gonna open them up for a new move

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_00]: um that sort of thing and kind of just

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_00]: allow you to create a lot of different

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_00]: versatile play styles there so

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah very cool stuff and

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_00]: uh I mean I before

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_00]: we get into the music break I do

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_00]: want to talk about summons a little

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_00]: bit because I think there are something

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_00]: that is really really interesting

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_00]: and fascinating um I was a little bit

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_00]: disappointed by the fact that

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_00]: you could not fight them

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_00]: in a lot of the environments in which

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_00]: that you would imagine that they're like

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah you'd like you do these

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_00]: like kind of lame side quest missions

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_00]: where you basically just do a

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_00]: like a guitar hero thing and you're

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_00]: just you're lining up the rhythms and you're pressing

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_00]: the QTE sequences in order to

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_00]: unlock the ability to

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_00]: access them and then you have to go back

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_00]: to Chadley and then fight them

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_00]: at Chadley

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_00]: and you're fighting them in a VR

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_00]: space right so it's like in order to

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_00]: have the ability to use the summons

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_00]: summons are same thing as ATB

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_00]: same thing as

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_00]: synergy

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_00]: synergy bar that you have they fill

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_00]: up over the course of the fight and you can use

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_00]: them as kind of like a trump card

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_00]: when you want to pull out against

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_00]: really powerful enemies

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_00]: but yeah like did you have any thoughts about that

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_00]: like what did you have any favorite summons

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_00]: starting there

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean I'm kind of indifferent on the summons

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_02]: they don't really do anything for me

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_02]: besides look cool

[00:38:59] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah besides look cool and give you something to fight in the combat system

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the chance to make them

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_02]: like matter

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_02]: was in this game and they

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_02]: didn't do it for whatever reason one of the things

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_02]: they did not decide to do one of the two things they

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_02]: decided to do when making this game was

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_02]: make the summons cool and interactable but

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean I get it like if there's a lot of

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_02]: game in here and I guess they don't really

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_02]: fit in the terms of the overworld

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_02]: they weren't really in the overworld either

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_02]: and in the original

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_02]: game you kind of just got them in weird ways

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_02]: like the

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_02]: girl from under June on

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_02]: what's her name Patricia

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it is yes so yeah

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_02]: in the original game she just gives you the sheave

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_02]: materia like she just gives it to you

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_02]: so weird stuff like that happened all the time

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_02]: which I think would be really cool if like

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_02]: you know the salmon dog like was just

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_02]: carrying Titan and he just gives it to you

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_02]: but like that becomes sweet but

[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah I don't really have any

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_02]: strong takes on them they're fun to fight

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_02]: they're really fun to fight

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_00]: mm-hmm yeah no absolutely

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_00]: they're they're incredibly fun to kind of

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_00]: like fight and then of course there are

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_00]: moments where

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_00]: if I'm not mistaken is it the proto-relic

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_00]: quest chain where

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_00]: you're going down the line and it eventually

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_00]: unlocks proto or rather summons

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_00]: battles where you have to fight two at once

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_02]: is that right? Oh god yeah so

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_02]: we'll get into the more

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_02]: spoiler stuff because I already read it you didn't do the proto-relic

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_02]: stuff because it's a pain no it's a

[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_02]: first off the pain but it is really rewarding

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_02]: that's why I did it but okay

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah you get to like fight Phoenix

[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_02]: and like tie in they like team up and like when

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_02]: you defeat Titan Phoenix brings them back to life

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_02]: and to beat them again like it's

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_02]: it's crazy but

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_02]: like it's so

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_02]: fun like it's so worth it in my opinion

[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_02]: it's such a good time

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_02]: like it's just eye candy like you're doing

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_02]: synergy abilities they're teaming up and

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_02]: they have their own synergy abilities like

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_02]: it's crazy that is

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_00]: just so that's insane and I love to hear

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_00]: it I love to hear when they like kind of play with that

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_00]: system because fighting them one on one some of

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_00]: them were like already hard as it is

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_00]: but yeah definitely I can imagine fighting two

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_00]: at once is like you're kind of edging

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_00]: yourself dangerously into the territory of a

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Dark Souls fight especially

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_00]: with like the you know bringing them back to life

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_00]: so that's incredible

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_00]: let's go ahead and take a quick music break

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_00]: and listen to one of the amazing tracks

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_00]: from Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_00]: do you have one do you have one picked out or is it just

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_00]: gonna be random?

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_00]: it's gonna be random I talked about a little bit

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_00]: later on but I have three favorites

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_00]: that I'm most likely gonna lean on and that's

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_00]: the material Guardian, Queens Blood

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_00]: theme and then wow wow wow

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_02]: okay I like that

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_02]: this is pretty good I mean there's I mean

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I was watching a stream one time and the

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_02]: one of the Queens Bloods theme came on

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_02]: during the one of the chapters and

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_02]: like the one of the comments was just like

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_02]: how'd they go 400 for 400

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_02]: like I don't know man like it's crazy

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_02]: like it's a hall of fame

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_02]: performance for sure

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_00]: do you have any

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_00]: votes on what I use

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_00]: for like the theme

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean the one

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_02]: the one battle theme

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_02]: it's really on my gym playlist is

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_02]: it's one of the more

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_02]: you only fight at once and it's not like a

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_02]: crazy fight in terms of

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_02]: story and narrative but it's the

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_02]: it's the fight where you fight Palmer in the

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_02]: robot right after in chapter

[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_02]: 8 or 9

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_02]: it's called the

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_02]: anurans suppressor it's so freaking good

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_02]: like I that's after

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_00]: cloud slashes Tifa and she

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_00]: falls into the

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_02]: right before

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_02]: like literally right before that okay it's the

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_02]: end of chapter 8

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_02]: when the whole thing with bearer happens it's the fight

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_02]: right after that

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_02]: it's um

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_02]: it's so it's so good

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't explain it it's just like a

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how to explain it's just so

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_02]: it's just it just bangs all the all the tracks

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_02]: bang again yeah

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_00]: they're all so good the one

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_02]: on the one I was the one I was referring to

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_02]: was the red 13 queens blood match on the

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_02]: ship which is just like what the fuck

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_02]: listening to

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_00]: in the fact that yeah

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll definitely we gotta read

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean I don't know if this is gonna make the final edit but like

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_00]: the moment where red 13

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_00]: is revealed as like the

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_00]: final competitor in the queens blood

[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_00]: tournament on the yacht and he's doing a

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Michael Jackson thriller

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_00]: impression and any

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_00]: general outfit like

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_00]: just this game is just

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_00]: unabashedly just insane

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_02]: so much I went and like

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_02]: okay we're the first like 10 content careers

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I can think of their planes game like I have to know

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_02]: if they've seen this I have to

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_02]: know

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_02]: and then the music after it was crazy

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah were there any fate like

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_00]: any of your favorite streamers out there that

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_00]: like really enjoyed this one

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm actually really do is just or he's over the moon about

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_02]: this game like over the moon

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_02]: you can't stop thinking about it or talking about it

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_02]: and he's a fighting game dude so like the fact that he's

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_02]: up in arms about this

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_02]: one is really cool to see but yeah

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean every I haven't met anyone that doesn't

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_02]: like the game

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah no absolutely yeah there's

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_00]: there's not there's not many people that I can say

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_00]: that will

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_00]: come forward and like say like

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_00]: they didn't enjoy even a piece of this game

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I can understand if somebody's going to come forward

[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_00]: and say some of this isn't for me some of this

[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_00]: isn't for me but there's legit so much

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_02]: video game there's so much video game

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_02]: in this game like legit like maybe too much

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah maybe maybe a little bit

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_00]: too much and yeah we can jump into

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_00]: that a little bit later when we get

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_00]: like kind of a little deeper into some of the open

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_00]: world critiques that I have

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of lined up for the game

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I did want to take a moment

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_00]: to talk about the

[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_00]: main characters that were

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_00]: in Final Fantasy 7

[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Rebirth and the character arc

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_00]: because it's to me what's interesting

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_00]: about Rebirth is the fact that like

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_00]: it's a sequel

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_00]: and it takes place in a game

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_00]: where like the the course

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_00]: of the narrative that this game

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_00]: takes places like if I'm not mistaken like six

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_00]: hours of the original right so this is

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_00]: stretched out over the course of time is that

[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_02]: on point yeah the original

[00:45:13] [SPEAKER_02]: like the original Midgar story

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah the original Midgar

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_02]: story is like seven to ten hours max maybe

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_02]: whereas like this part

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_02]: of the game is like closer to 15

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_02]: 20 and they quintupled

[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_02]: that which is yeah

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_02]: nuts but

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah you've got it pretty much on point

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean it took me 35 40 hours

[00:45:33] [SPEAKER_02]: to beat the original in its entirety

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_02]: so I would say in terms of scale

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_02]: we've about 15 to 20

[00:45:39] [SPEAKER_02]: hours of the original story left

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah how

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_02]: what they're gonna do with that in part 3

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea I find it hard

[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_02]: to believe that they're gonna make it as big or even bigger than this one

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_02]: but

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_02]: there's room for it I mean there's plenty of room

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_02]: for we can get to that in the spoiler section

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_02]: but yeah it's just it's just fascinating

[00:45:57] [SPEAKER_02]: like it's just fascinating to think that like these three

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_02]: games are an equal like 400 hours

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_02]: of game

[00:46:04] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah no it is it is

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_00]: really insane to think that and just the

[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_00]: the sheer I think

[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_00]: like these games more so

[00:46:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I would argue that in rebirth

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_00]: there's a built-in level of replayability

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_00]: that a lot of players can experience

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_00]: in this title versus remake because remake

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_00]: is fairly linear whereas

[00:46:21] [SPEAKER_00]: in this one depending on how much of a fan

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_00]: you are this world how much of this like

[00:46:25] [SPEAKER_00]: how much of the offerings

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_00]: in this one that you're willing to kind of like

[00:46:29] [SPEAKER_00]: you know partake in

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_00]: or challenge yourself with

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_00]: like there's so much replayability there because

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_00]: there's guaranteed stuff that

[00:46:36] [SPEAKER_00]: you probably miss your first pass like I did

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_00]: whether it's the proto relic quest chain

[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_00]: or not getting the right date

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_00]: at the end of the golden saucer

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_00]: you know sequence

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_00]: that you get it's a it's really really funny

[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_02]: rumor ever you know we would both live

[00:46:51] [SPEAKER_02]: in North Carolina there's been rumblings up

[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_02]: from your area that you are still

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_02]: not over your your final

[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_02]: date result no

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_00]: no I was clearly

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_00]: team Tifa can't with entire experience

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_00]: we can we can absolutely confirm

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_00]: that you know and honestly how much

[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_00]: you're out of 10

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_00]: 0 out of 10 for not allowing me to

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_00]: do to get the date

[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_00]: that I wanted at the end of this game

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe I think how much he's gonna hit you with this

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_02]: it's a skill issue

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_00]: you should have

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_00]: you should have paid closer attention to the side

[00:47:23] [SPEAKER_00]: question you should have

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_02]: randomized those three option screens

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_02]: you shouldn't just hit random on those those matter buddy

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_00]: oh my god

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_00]: oh my god don't I can't I can't with you

[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_00]: no this is this is insane

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I would say so something that like

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_00]: what I was driving at earlier

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_00]: about the length of this game and about

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of like the impact is that like the

[00:47:43] [SPEAKER_00]: narrative is a little bit meandering

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_00]: the narrative like the core

[00:47:47] [SPEAKER_00]: narrative structure like if you look at like

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_00]: beat by beat what happens in this game

[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_00]: like the end the end like ladder

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_00]: 25% is so packed full

[00:47:55] [SPEAKER_00]: of like really significant

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_00]: important character moments and things

[00:47:59] [SPEAKER_00]: that happen in this game

[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_00]: it that it's it's fun to experience

[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_00]: that but I would almost say that the character

[00:48:05] [SPEAKER_00]: arcs and the development for

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_00]: your main core party

[00:48:09] [SPEAKER_00]: was vastly more significant

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_00]: and impactful to me than the actual

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_00]: storyline like I know at the end of this

[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna fight Sephiroth again I know at the

[00:48:17] [SPEAKER_00]: end of this something is gonna happen

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_00]: because that just seems to be

[00:48:21] [SPEAKER_00]: her fate it seems to be

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_00]: you know to use Marvel turn out terminology

[00:48:25] [SPEAKER_00]: a what do they call it like an irrevocable

[00:48:27] [SPEAKER_00]: moment in time something like

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_02]: they said it in Deadpool I think

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_02]: um

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I forget the term for like a was

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_02]: is it anchor being like there's like the anchor

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah they use different terms for it in

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Marvel so that's even a bad thing but like

[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_00]: her being an anchor she would absolutely be

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_00]: an anchor being in this world and her

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_00]: destiny is to like

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_00]: not be alive after encounter

[00:48:49] [SPEAKER_00]: with Sephiroth so it seems to be

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_00]: really interesting like the ideas of

[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_00]: what they're playing with to you know

[00:48:55] [SPEAKER_00]: talk about like the subverting expectations

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_00]: but something that I definitely wanted

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_00]: to cover when we talk about character highlights

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_00]: is the fact that Barrett

[00:49:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I would have never if you would have come

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_00]: to me in January of

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_00]: 2024 and said Nick Barrett's gonna be

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_00]: your favorite video game of

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_00]: this year potentially of all time

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I would be like what the fuck's wrong with you

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_00]: then no it's not and then I played this

[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_00]: game and Barrett is legitimately like

[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_00]: the standout character for

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_00]: me in this title and like I used

[00:49:23] [SPEAKER_00]: to think he was just comic relief he's

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_00]: way more than just comic relief he actually

[00:49:27] [SPEAKER_00]: has multiple overtones like

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_00]: his narrative arc what happened to him

[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_00]: like I think like

[00:49:32] [SPEAKER_00]: we talk about Final Fantasy 7 like one of

[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_00]: the sub themes of it is like

[00:49:37] [SPEAKER_00]: environmental terrorism and like why

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_00]: environmental terrorism is important or like

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_00]: what drives people to do that like Barrett

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_00]: is kind of like the central figure of what

[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_00]: solidifies one of those core themes

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_00]: and like that kind of just

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_00]: absolutely plays into full effect when

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_00]: you and the team go to Matt Correll

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_00]: in his hometown you learn like what

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_00]: happened to him what happened to

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_00]: the family his family what

[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_00]: happened to his arm and everything there

[00:50:01] [SPEAKER_00]: and like obviously his connection to Nina

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_00]: and her family

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_00]: so yeah just like Bravo

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_00]: honestly like I love that moment at all

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_00]: like did he was he up there for you as well

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah I mean the whole

[00:50:13] [SPEAKER_02]: roster stacked first of all

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_02]: second of all the tiebacks from music

[00:50:16] [SPEAKER_02]: point earlier the

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_02]: song that plays when you're climbing

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Mount Correll and the battle theme along

[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_02]: with it just literally

[00:50:24] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe one a 1b for me personally

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_02]: but okay yeah

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Barrett in the

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_02]: original game like and the voice actor

[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_02]: John Eric Bentley has been

[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_02]: he has talked about this at length where he

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_02]: can't just take his you can't just make

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_02]: him like the big loud black guy because

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_02]: you don't want to stereotype him and

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_02]: he's been very open about saying that

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_02]: and he does such a good job of

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_02]: giving Barrett depth as do the writers

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_02]: honestly like they do so much

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_02]: what he did I want to let that

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_02]: get lost and John Eric Bentley's performance

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_02]: because it's amazing but the writing

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_02]: for the character was

[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_02]: so well done and not

[00:51:00] [SPEAKER_02]: just like his shiny moment in

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_02]: in his hometown of Correll but throughout

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_02]: the entire game he's someone

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_02]: you can relate to he's someone

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_02]: you feel stuff for and

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_02]: it's just it's just so

[00:51:12] [SPEAKER_02]: well done again so as someone

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_02]: who's played the original

[00:51:16] [SPEAKER_02]: his character I think has been more

[00:51:18] [SPEAKER_02]: fleshed out than any of them because of

[00:51:20] [SPEAKER_02]: what he what he could

[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_02]: represent in terms of like

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_02]: as being a figure in fiction

[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_02]: and in gaming like he can represent so

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_02]: much more than what he did back in 1997

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_02]: and yeah he definitely does

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_02]: now and it's exciting to see

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_02]: where he goes in part 3

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_02]: because his role is going to be even more amplified

[00:51:38] [SPEAKER_02]: with what's to come given the story of the

[00:51:40] [SPEAKER_02]: original

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Gotcha

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah no it's it's

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_00]: so intense and I think that he's

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_00]: good and as you said like

[00:51:48] [SPEAKER_00]: the entire core like

[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_00]: cast is insanely stacked

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_00]: of course like red yeah

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_00]: it's the all-star team like I

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_00]: really like red 13 a lot

[00:51:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't expecting to like him as much

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_00]: as I did I just think he was going to be a cool

[00:52:02] [SPEAKER_00]: he's got a cool like voice this like

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_00]: gruff voice and to find like like that's

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_00]: that's an affect that's not actually

[00:52:08] [SPEAKER_00]: his voice whenever you get to the Cosmo

[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Canyon region which is where he's from

[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I yeah definitely did a

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_00]: double take when he's because the moment

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_00]: when cloud is checking on Arith

[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_02]: they check it out because they tease it a couple times

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah yeah they tease it

[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_00]: a couple times and like cloud is like checking in

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_00]: on his party members you're playing as him to

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_00]: make sure that everybody's cool because you're going through a lot of

[00:52:29] [SPEAKER_00]: traumatic stuff at this point

[00:52:30] [SPEAKER_00]: and like you checking on Arith and you see

[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_00]: here this like little boy voice

[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_00]: in there and then like Arith like pops

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_00]: and she's like hey what's going on how's it going

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_00]: like everything's good here no need to worry about

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_00]: about me and

[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like what what

[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_00]: what's going on what's what's what kind of weird

[00:52:46] [SPEAKER_00]: shit are you doing in there tomorrow like what's

[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_00]: happening but no it's

[00:52:50] [SPEAKER_00]: definitely going to Cosmo Canyon

[00:52:52] [SPEAKER_00]: and learning about his relationship to his dad

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_00]: and like what his father did

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_00]: also like the fact that you're fighting

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_00]: the G is that is that correct is that

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_00]: you've been on to the the the G

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah like the fighting these this kind

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_00]: of like cosmic force

[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_00]: this entity were they can you talk

[00:53:08] [SPEAKER_00]: about the G what what were these these people

[00:53:10] [SPEAKER_02]: they're kind of like the undead army

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_02]: but in this game so in

[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_02]: the original they don't have that much impact

[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_02]: on the story but here it's

[00:53:18] [SPEAKER_02]: completely different like they are

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah like the harbingers of the

[00:53:22] [SPEAKER_02]: the black materia which comes

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_02]: to play a big part in the story which that never

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_02]: happened in the original game but

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah they're kind of like the undead army they

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_02]: they can't find

[00:53:33] [SPEAKER_02]: rest because they're not from the life stream

[00:53:35] [SPEAKER_02]: so they kind of just live their entire

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_02]: so when they die they kind of just live

[00:53:39] [SPEAKER_02]: in anguish and hatred for the

[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_02]: for all of eternity and they

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_02]: kind of set that up as like the black

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_02]: interior is the only thing that can grant them

[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_02]: a resting place if you will but

[00:53:49] [SPEAKER_02]: they don't have that. And that's why they built it

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_02]: in the original right yeah so they can

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_02]: well in the original you don't really that's

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_02]: never said in the original you kind of just get

[00:53:56] [SPEAKER_02]: the other the undead army they want to destroy everything

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_02]: whereas in here it's like no they literally

[00:54:01] [SPEAKER_02]: can't die because they're not from the life stream so

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_02]: this black materia is a grant them

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_02]: release and yeah

[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah that's a that's all that's all new and it was hard to digest it first

[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_02]: and you know took liked it didn't like it at times

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_02]: but but yeah you nailed every you nailed

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_02]: every point about red 13 I have a thing I have a

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_02]: theory that's totally not legit that he's

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_02]: stronger when he's stronger in chapters one

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_02]: through ten when he has the old man voice

[00:54:27] [SPEAKER_02]: and then you kind of comes like a little

[00:54:29] [SPEAKER_02]: you know little bitch boy when he's the little

[00:54:32] [SPEAKER_02]: little kid voice in combat but yeah it is what it is

[00:54:35] [SPEAKER_02]: it's red 13 like he's definitely um

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_02]: like when you second play through when you don't take him as

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_02]: serious he's so much funnier like he's

[00:54:43] [SPEAKER_02]: so funny really game yeah like when you when you

[00:54:46] [SPEAKER_02]: when you because when you find out like oh

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_02]: he's just like a kid like and doing the old man stuff like

[00:54:50] [SPEAKER_02]: when he's doing the Michael Jackson thing like it's so much funnier

[00:54:55] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah honestly and I just like I love the

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_00]: fact that they allow him to be playful

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_00]: they allow not only him but just like all the

[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_00]: characters to have like this range of emotion

[00:55:05] [SPEAKER_02]: he's a super smart and in-depth character

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah yeah and it's like he is alongside Barrett

[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_00]: like one of the core members that are

[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_00]: keeping the party together because the cloud

[00:55:15] [SPEAKER_00]: spoiler alert not a good protagonist not a

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_00]: solid not a solid part party leader

[00:55:21] [SPEAKER_00]: honestly not a solid leader just period point blank

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe not protagonist but definitely narrator

[00:55:27] [SPEAKER_02]: not a good narrator

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah definitely not a good narrator he's not

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_00]: he's not as uh yeah he's not as uh eloquent or

[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_00]: erudite if you will uh when it comes to

[00:55:37] [SPEAKER_00]: trying to convey his own feelings and emotions

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_00]: but I think that yeah red 13 is really cool and

[00:55:42] [SPEAKER_00]: obviously the moment when you find out you know

[00:55:45] [SPEAKER_00]: what happens with his dad and the sacrifices

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_00]: he makes of course that's very spoilery inclusive

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_00]: so we won't dig into it but just like the

[00:55:51] [SPEAKER_00]: the notes that you have from him um you know

[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_00]: we talked about a good amount about erith

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I cried multiple times learning about

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_00]: the backstory of erith here again more

[00:56:02] [SPEAKER_00]: spoiler content that's kind of involved

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_00]: here but I really there's something that's

[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_00]: interesting that's happening in this game

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_00]: that I will be willing to talk about

[00:56:11] [SPEAKER_00]: upfront and so if folks were in kind of

[00:56:14] [SPEAKER_00]: character highlight moments so again uh for

[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_00]: our dear listeners out there if you're

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_00]: feeling very sensitive about the things

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_00]: that we're discussing right now feel free

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_00]: to jump in the marker uh that I'm going

[00:56:25] [SPEAKER_00]: to put in this episode to the minigames

[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_00]: and open world critiques uh when we jump

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_00]: there and so you can kind of just ignore

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_00]: some of this middle block of the

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_00]: the review but I would say that like

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_00]: the thing that erith and titha are

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_00]: doing talking about cloud like it's

[00:56:40] [SPEAKER_00]: very fascinating when I think it

[00:56:42] [SPEAKER_00]: might have been either june on or

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_00]: maybe even a little bit later uh when

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_00]: you get to gungaga but you realize

[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_00]: that cloud is an unreliable narrator

[00:56:52] [SPEAKER_00]: because what he's saying didn't happen

[00:56:55] [SPEAKER_00]: the rest of the party knows that cloud is

[00:56:58] [SPEAKER_00]: literally imagining things or

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_00]: mentally unhinged they're not telling

[00:57:04] [SPEAKER_00]: him this because they want to give him

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_00]: the space to work through some of that

[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_00]: on his own is how I'm interpreting it

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_00]: but like erith and titha are seen

[00:57:11] [SPEAKER_00]: at multiple points in time talking with

[00:57:13] [SPEAKER_00]: each other about the things that

[00:57:15] [SPEAKER_00]: cloud's saying to them um re-counting

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_00]: events not happening things that

[00:57:19] [SPEAKER_00]: happened in their life that they

[00:57:22] [SPEAKER_00]: remember that they lived through but

[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_00]: cloud not being there for those events

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_00]: right so how could he possibly known

[00:57:28] [SPEAKER_00]: that this is happening and so again

[00:57:30] [SPEAKER_00]: this is going to lead into like major

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_00]: spoiler territory for like who and what

[00:57:35] [SPEAKER_00]: cloud is and like what he represents

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_00]: the story overall but like how did that

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_00]: make you feel playing this for the

[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_00]: first time and realizing that

[00:57:41] [SPEAKER_00]: titha and erith are kind of like

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_00]: the rest of the party is talking behind

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_00]: clouds back and he just doesn't know it

[00:57:47] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah it's not surprising on the titha

[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_02]: front because that happens in the original

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_02]: the erith front's different um because

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_02]: okay get knowing that erith has

[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_02]: knowledge of what's to come uh

[00:58:01] [SPEAKER_02]: you would think there's a reason that

[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_02]: they don't tell cloud these things or

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_02]: don't tell him that like hey man like

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_02]: this stuff like didn't actually happen

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_02]: but again you don't want to break

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_02]: the mind of your leader who because

[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_02]: like at the same time like he does know

[00:58:14] [SPEAKER_02]: stuff and like he does have information

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_02]: that is valuable and we'll get to it

[00:58:19] [SPEAKER_02]: later with the sephiroth point but

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_02]: you know pursuing him like is that even

[00:58:23] [SPEAKER_02]: like is that a choice that they're

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_02]: willingly making or is it not like so

[00:58:29] [SPEAKER_02]: it's interesting it's interesting on

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_02]: that front and I do think like

[00:58:32] [SPEAKER_02]: yufi and red and barrett like they

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_02]: don't completely know that he's like

[00:58:37] [SPEAKER_02]: insane and crazy and not reliable

[00:58:39] [SPEAKER_02]: but tiffin erith definitely do and um

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think there was a lot of reason

[00:58:46] [SPEAKER_02]: for given for them not like being more

[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_02]: open and stopping him but say a thousand

[00:58:51] [SPEAKER_02]: thousand happened in the original so I

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_02]: get that you kind of just leave it up

[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_02]: to interpretation for the audience but

[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_02]: it's definitely interesting on the erith

[00:58:58] [SPEAKER_02]: front because that did not happen in

[00:59:00] [SPEAKER_02]: the original game and it makes what it

[00:59:03] [SPEAKER_02]: makes what's to come that much tougher

[00:59:04] [SPEAKER_02]: to swallow

[00:59:06] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah no definitely like the things that

[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of happened later on at the end of

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_00]: this game make it definitely significant

[00:59:13] [SPEAKER_00]: particularly with the way that cloud

[00:59:15] [SPEAKER_00]: behaves and I'm hoping that you might be

[00:59:16] [SPEAKER_00]: able to unpack some of his character

[00:59:19] [SPEAKER_00]: shifting that occurs later on

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_00]: throughout the latter half of this game

[00:59:22] [SPEAKER_00]: but I just thought it was like really

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_00]: interesting the fact that like on

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_00]: its surface as you're playing through

[00:59:27] [SPEAKER_00]: this game they're a big happy family

[00:59:29] [SPEAKER_00]: the root and tootin they're going

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_00]: through this world they're hunting down

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_00]: sephiroth nothing can stop this party

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_00]: because legitimately nothing can stop

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_00]: this party and but like at the same

[00:59:39] [SPEAKER_00]: time it's there's this there's discord

[00:59:42] [SPEAKER_00]: that you can pick up on subtly and it was

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_00]: something that truly came into full

[00:59:46] [SPEAKER_00]: effect for me when I was in gangaga

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_00]: again this is coming from a guy who

[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_00]: doesn't know anything more about the

[00:59:53] [SPEAKER_00]: narrative beyond some research into

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_00]: what happened in crisis core advent

[00:59:58] [SPEAKER_00]: children in Final Fantasy 7 remake so

[01:00:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's really interesting approaching

[01:00:02] [SPEAKER_00]: this as a newcomer and it definitely kind

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_00]: of like lend some credence to the fact that

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_00]: maybe I really should go back and play

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_00]: the original game regardless of how hard

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_00]: it is to potentially access some of those

[01:00:12] [SPEAKER_00]: older JRPG mechanics but I might owe it

[01:00:15] [SPEAKER_00]: to myself to add it to the old backlog

[01:00:17] [SPEAKER_00]: and jump back in the ever growing

[01:00:19] [SPEAKER_00]: backlog exactly the ever growing you

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_00]: know it's like we got our friend Dave

[01:00:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Jackson he's got a whole podcast dedicated

[01:00:25] [SPEAKER_00]: to it so yeah definitely gonna need some

[01:00:28] [SPEAKER_00]: time there a couple more moments before

[01:00:29] [SPEAKER_00]: we move on from character highlights I

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_00]: wanted to ask you about you fee a lot of

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_00]: people hated her a lot of people like in

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_00]: the review like reviewer space even just

[01:00:41] [SPEAKER_00]: like friends of mine hated her character

[01:00:43] [SPEAKER_00]: and I just thought she was an idiotic

[01:00:45] [SPEAKER_00]: teenager but like a fun like a lovable

[01:00:48] [SPEAKER_00]: like a lovable idiot to a certain

[01:00:50] [SPEAKER_00]: degree yeah like how did you how did

[01:00:51] [SPEAKER_02]: you feel about her oh you fees the

[01:00:53] [SPEAKER_02]: best I mean you fee provides

[01:00:56] [SPEAKER_02]: you think about some of the biggest

[01:00:57] [SPEAKER_02]: laughs in the entire story I think but

[01:00:59] [SPEAKER_02]: that's also like her role as it was in the

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_02]: original game like again we're being

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_02]: faithful we're being faithful here as much

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_02]: as much as things are changing and that's

[01:01:06] [SPEAKER_02]: the talking point we're staying faithful

[01:01:08] [SPEAKER_02]: for a lot of it but yeah you fee was

[01:01:09] [SPEAKER_02]: got so much fun like complete badass

[01:01:11] [SPEAKER_02]: in combat to which helps her case

[01:01:13] [SPEAKER_02]: yes when you when you get her you

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_02]: get access to a variety of things that

[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_02]: just unlock the combat even more but

[01:01:20] [SPEAKER_02]: yes she's so she's so much fun

[01:01:23] [SPEAKER_02]: when she first joins the party and

[01:01:25] [SPEAKER_02]: you're climbing up Mount Corral's like

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_02]: she's can't like shut up and bear it's like

[01:01:28] [SPEAKER_02]: sure you can do all that where you're sitting on the bench

[01:01:30] [SPEAKER_02]: like all like all that stuff

[01:01:33] [SPEAKER_02]: and then and then we get to

[01:01:34] [SPEAKER_02]: like play as her like when you're climbing up

[01:01:36] [SPEAKER_02]: the like the Mount Corral to access

[01:01:38] [SPEAKER_02]: the rail cart so you can lower

[01:01:40] [SPEAKER_02]: the drawbridge like being able to grapple

[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_02]: hook and move around the world is

[01:01:44] [SPEAKER_02]: like she's so fun to play as I

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_02]: love you fee she I love her

[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_02]: in intermission the DLC I loved her

[01:01:50] [SPEAKER_02]: in the I love her in the original game

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_02]: and she's another character that's

[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_02]: gonna get so much more substance and

[01:01:57] [SPEAKER_02]: context and room to grow

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_02]: as a character that she did in the original

[01:02:00] [SPEAKER_02]: and all the more for it because

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_02]: the voice actor Suzy Yang she loves

[01:02:04] [SPEAKER_02]: playing her she loves portraying her that's obvious

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_02]: in the performance that she delivers so

[01:02:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad that I'm

[01:02:10] [SPEAKER_02]: kind of sad we didn't get her earlier than we did

[01:02:12] [SPEAKER_02]: honestly it we wait till chapter 7

[01:02:14] [SPEAKER_02]: to get her which is a long time given there's only 14

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_02]: chapters like that's halfway through the game so

[01:02:19] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah happy we did

[01:02:20] [SPEAKER_02]: end up getting her she was she's so much fun I love you

[01:02:22] [SPEAKER_00]: fee yeah I love her so much yeah her moment there

[01:02:25] [SPEAKER_00]: when they were

[01:02:27] [SPEAKER_00]: trying to assassinate Rufus that whole sequence

[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of at that's all new when they're at

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Junan yeah that's a completely all new and I

[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_00]: loved it just like this there's a certain

[01:02:36] [SPEAKER_00]: level of intrigue that was baked into that

[01:02:38] [SPEAKER_00]: not to mention the insane like

[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I want to go back and just pull back

[01:02:42] [SPEAKER_00]: for a moment you know we're talking about

[01:02:44] [SPEAKER_00]: you fee but like I'm thinking of the moment

[01:02:46] [SPEAKER_00]: where you see her

[01:02:48] [SPEAKER_00]: and she's like trying to race

[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_00]: cloud Barad and Tifa to killing Rufus

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Shinra to take revenge

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_00]: for what happened to her party at the

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_00]: end of intermission

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_00]: and there is a sequence where you have to

[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_00]: like Barad gets dressed up as a sailor

[01:03:03] [SPEAKER_00]: cloud

[01:03:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Tifa and Aerith

[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_00]: dress up as Shinra uniforms which is

[01:03:08] [SPEAKER_00]: honestly like it's the cool one of the coolest

[01:03:10] [SPEAKER_00]: uniforms ever right and

[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah it's it's insanely awesome but

[01:03:14] [SPEAKER_00]: it's a they jumped in there

[01:03:16] [SPEAKER_00]: and you have to do like a QTE

[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_00]: sequence of like a military

[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_00]: parade to like ROTC style

[01:03:22] [SPEAKER_00]: like it's so good

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_00]: which is so fun

[01:03:26] [SPEAKER_00]: like it's so fun like I if you would

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_00]: have said that to me in any other context

[01:03:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I would be like no don't care

[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_00]: moving on but like if I don't think

[01:03:33] [SPEAKER_00]: it's the funnest thing

[01:03:36] [SPEAKER_00]: ever and I'm just thinking about the camera

[01:03:38] [SPEAKER_00]: work that they had to do to move

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_00]: around those environments and like

[01:03:42] [SPEAKER_00]: doing the QTE moments and just

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_00]: like the fanfare and then

[01:03:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Roche shows up and then like he's competing

[01:03:48] [SPEAKER_00]: with you and it's it's all

[01:03:50] [SPEAKER_00]: insane so again I'm giving this

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm fan I'm fanboying too hard

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_00]: right now but I would say that

[01:03:56] [SPEAKER_00]: like Yuffie as a character

[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_00]: is 100% believable to me

[01:04:01] [SPEAKER_00]: because she's just a teenager

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_00]: she's just a materia obsessed teenager

[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_00]: who has her mind fixated on one thing

[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_00]: she's experienced a good amount of trauma

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_00]: she's also like kind of a child

[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_00]: soldier I don't know a lot

[01:04:12] [SPEAKER_00]: about Wu Tai or what Wu Tai's

[01:04:14] [SPEAKER_00]: relationship was to Midgar

[01:04:16] [SPEAKER_00]: and the Shinra

[01:04:18] [SPEAKER_00]: military complex

[01:04:20] [SPEAKER_00]: but like I imagine that like

[01:04:22] [SPEAKER_00]: it's I thought it was really interesting

[01:04:24] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of bringing her into the fold

[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_00]: and then having her be this like funny

[01:04:28] [SPEAKER_00]: relief that's just

[01:04:30] [SPEAKER_00]: opposed to like really serious moments

[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_00]: that are happening and then she's just

[01:04:34] [SPEAKER_00]: still like a oblivious teenager

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_00]: that's obsessed with like oh I gotta steal

[01:04:37] [SPEAKER_00]: the the the materia or about

[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_00]: of the giant protector

[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_00]: or planet protector thing like it's

[01:04:44] [SPEAKER_00]: it's funny like the whole idea for like

[01:04:45] [SPEAKER_02]: wanting to like steal the black materia is

[01:04:47] [SPEAKER_02]: just like so funny because like girl

[01:04:49] [SPEAKER_02]: girl you do not want to do that

[01:04:51] [SPEAKER_00]: you do not yeah you have no idea

[01:04:53] [SPEAKER_00]: you have no idea what you're getting into

[01:04:55] [SPEAKER_00]: right now

[01:04:57] [SPEAKER_00]: last final thoughts obviously Kate

[01:04:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Sith highlight character for

[01:05:01] [SPEAKER_00]: the end game wish we got a little

[01:05:03] [SPEAKER_00]: bit more Kate said the voice actor did

[01:05:05] [SPEAKER_00]: a fantastic job being a

[01:05:07] [SPEAKER_00]: scotsman in this game

[01:05:09] [SPEAKER_00]: insanely well done and I just

[01:05:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I also was surprised I thought

[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I was gonna hate his battle

[01:05:14] [SPEAKER_00]: system that was adding an additional

[01:05:16] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of moment to it but it creates so much chaos

[01:05:18] [SPEAKER_00]: on the battlefield that I was like this is

[01:05:21] [SPEAKER_00]: very appropriate for

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_00]: this character right now

[01:05:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I love Kate Sith

[01:05:26] [SPEAKER_02]: even the original when he's

[01:05:28] [SPEAKER_02]: just a giant pain in the behind

[01:05:30] [SPEAKER_02]: not fun to use at all I still find

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_02]: enjoyment in him so we finally got

[01:05:34] [SPEAKER_02]: access to him like I

[01:05:35] [SPEAKER_02]: his combat is fun like again

[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_02]: like it doesn't make a ton of sense but

[01:05:39] [SPEAKER_02]: you know the fact you can mount and dismount

[01:05:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Mugl when you dismount him it's like a 4

[01:05:43] [SPEAKER_02]: you four characters out there because he operates on

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_02]: his own his limit break is completely

[01:05:47] [SPEAKER_02]: cracked like his level three limit break

[01:05:49] [SPEAKER_02]: is unreal but

[01:05:51] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah he's um he has his own playable

[01:05:53] [SPEAKER_02]: section for for better or worse

[01:05:56] [SPEAKER_02]: he's I love

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_02]: just the randomness of that character

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_02]: it's such a strange concept even in

[01:06:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Final Fantasy which is known for like

[01:06:03] [SPEAKER_02]: just making strange concepts in the game

[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_02]: like him alone his existence

[01:06:07] [SPEAKER_02]: is like even wild for that

[01:06:09] [SPEAKER_02]: genre or that like franchise

[01:06:11] [SPEAKER_02]: so right he fits

[01:06:13] [SPEAKER_02]: perfectly into the into the game

[01:06:15] [SPEAKER_02]: whether that's because we made him fit

[01:06:17] [SPEAKER_02]: or because he fits naturally remains to

[01:06:19] [SPEAKER_02]: be seen but I think he did such a good

[01:06:21] [SPEAKER_02]: job in FF7 re-birth he has so many he's

[01:06:23] [SPEAKER_02]: so funny in the game um the

[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_02]: first pops in he calls like he

[01:06:27] [SPEAKER_02]: cancels the reservation for the Turks

[01:06:29] [SPEAKER_02]: and gives it to you

[01:06:31] [SPEAKER_02]: like that's so so it's like stupid

[01:06:33] [SPEAKER_02]: stuff like that just makes me laugh so hard

[01:06:35] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah no it's

[01:06:37] [SPEAKER_00]: it's fantastic yeah cancelling the

[01:06:39] [SPEAKER_00]: reservation and like having them you know

[01:06:41] [SPEAKER_00]: accessing the mainframe to give them a

[01:06:43] [SPEAKER_00]: new room whenever they're at the spooky mansion

[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_00]: in the golden saucer

[01:06:46] [SPEAKER_00]: it's it's fantastic stuff and he has like so many

[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_00]: human moments for a character that is

[01:06:51] [SPEAKER_00]: not a human he has like incredibly human

[01:06:53] [SPEAKER_00]: moments um that are there and it's

[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_00]: like he's trying to win their trust

[01:06:56] [SPEAKER_00]: and it's an upwards battle for them

[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_00]: because they know he's just a Shinra robot

[01:07:00] [SPEAKER_00]: so it's uh really really interesting

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted like one last final note

[01:07:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to make in terms of character highlights here

[01:07:07] [SPEAKER_00]: um Matt Mercer

[01:07:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Vincent Valentine

[01:07:10] [SPEAKER_00]: we get him in like

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_00]: the last five hours of this game

[01:07:15] [SPEAKER_00]: but

[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_00]: he's like one of the coolest characters I think

[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I've ever seen in my lifetime I can't under

[01:07:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I nobody will ever

[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_00]: be able to make sense to me like why vampires

[01:07:25] [SPEAKER_00]: are a thing in this world but we're already fighting

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_00]: like monsters and deities and so all

[01:07:29] [SPEAKER_00]: sorts of things in fun ways in seven so

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_00]: it's like so so like the world is

[01:07:33] [SPEAKER_00]: open you want to throw in monster the vampires

[01:07:35] [SPEAKER_00]: and werewolves go for it um

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_00]: it was funny I was

[01:07:39] [SPEAKER_00]: watching a video on Twitter and apparently

[01:07:41] [SPEAKER_00]: somebody was making compilation or Matt

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_00]: was doing an interview talking about it was

[01:07:45] [SPEAKER_00]: this on YouTube actually he was doing an interview

[01:07:47] [SPEAKER_00]: talking about how he got the role of

[01:07:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Vincent Valentine he thought

[01:07:51] [SPEAKER_00]: he was yeah he thought he was brought in to

[01:07:53] [SPEAKER_00]: do additional voice work which is

[01:07:54] [SPEAKER_00]: essentially just NPCs in the background

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_00]: they thought he thought that Square was just bringing him

[01:07:58] [SPEAKER_00]: into add like his special layering

[01:08:00] [SPEAKER_00]: so they could do world building they surprised

[01:08:02] [SPEAKER_00]: him in the booth with a character

[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_00]: that he was actually going to be playing and I

[01:08:06] [SPEAKER_00]: imagine it was probably like a half hour

[01:08:08] [SPEAKER_00]: recording session for him because Vincent

[01:08:10] [SPEAKER_00]: barely has any like vocal notes

[01:08:13] [SPEAKER_00]: um but

[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was really fun how he like loved

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_00]: this world he loves this character so much that

[01:08:18] [SPEAKER_00]: he was just floored whenever that happens so it's like

[01:08:20] [SPEAKER_00]: a cool little moment from Matt in this but

[01:08:22] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah did you want more of Vincent in this was

[01:08:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Vincent more prevalent in the original game

[01:08:26] [SPEAKER_02]: again not to sound like a broken record but

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_02]: in the original game he's completely

[01:08:30] [SPEAKER_02]: optional character you only need to get him

[01:08:32] [SPEAKER_02]: okay you can beat the story without him so

[01:08:34] [SPEAKER_02]: but in the original game he does appear where he

[01:08:36] [SPEAKER_02]: appears in this game and given that it's

[01:08:38] [SPEAKER_02]: towards the end it's not surprising we don't get a lot of

[01:08:40] [SPEAKER_02]: them but yeah I mean his gameplay

[01:08:42] [SPEAKER_02]: in part three is going to be absolutely

[01:08:44] [SPEAKER_02]: nuts like he's going to be crazy

[01:08:46] [SPEAKER_02]: insane the same the same thing you're going to

[01:08:48] [SPEAKER_02]: be able to do with him is going to be good lord

[01:08:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know it's gonna be a scary scary thing

[01:08:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited I'm excited it's very

[01:08:54] [SPEAKER_00]: scary to think about I don't know

[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_00]: when we if we expect to see this before

[01:08:58] [SPEAKER_00]: 2030 I hope so because I hope that the same

[01:09:01] [SPEAKER_00]: thing that happens for

[01:09:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember if reunion I'm assuming

[01:09:04] [SPEAKER_00]: is going to be the name of the third entry

[01:09:06] [SPEAKER_00]: but I imagine that

[01:09:09] [SPEAKER_00]: for reunion

[01:09:10] [SPEAKER_00]: at the very least that the same

[01:09:12] [SPEAKER_00]: thing that that Hamaguchi is going to do his

[01:09:14] [SPEAKER_00]: best to work with Square to make sure that they retain

[01:09:16] [SPEAKER_00]: all the talent they got in this game

[01:09:18] [SPEAKER_00]: because I think that's what made this game so incredibly

[01:09:20] [SPEAKER_00]: successful from a development

[01:09:22] [SPEAKER_00]: standpoint is that all of the people

[01:09:24] [SPEAKER_00]: that had that knowledge share when they were

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_00]: working on remake

[01:09:28] [SPEAKER_00]: stayed on which is almost unheard

[01:09:30] [SPEAKER_00]: of in the video game space because it costs

[01:09:32] [SPEAKER_00]: a lot of money to do that and then people are

[01:09:34] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of like expecting to see a certain

[01:09:36] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of progression and you know merit

[01:09:38] [SPEAKER_00]: increases year over year but like

[01:09:39] [SPEAKER_00]: that's what made them have

[01:09:42] [SPEAKER_00]: the opportunity to go so

[01:09:44] [SPEAKER_00]: thorough and have so many fleshed

[01:09:46] [SPEAKER_00]: out moments whether that's cinematic or

[01:09:48] [SPEAKER_00]: gameplay like it's it's a hundred percent

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_00]: of a valid thing that that

[01:09:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Square did and I really hope that they just

[01:09:54] [SPEAKER_00]: they open up the pocketbook and they just let it go

[01:09:56] [SPEAKER_00]: and they just acknowledge this is Final Fantasy 7

[01:09:58] [SPEAKER_00]: it has to be done right. Correct

[01:10:00] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah and I imagine it will be I think

[01:10:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I think they've already

[01:10:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I think a lot of the crew that

[01:10:06] [SPEAKER_02]: did part two and one are back for part three

[01:10:08] [SPEAKER_02]: and development started underway so

[01:10:10] [SPEAKER_02]: 2020 2027 is the date

[01:10:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I would think it because that's the third I think it's the date

[01:10:14] [SPEAKER_02]: that's the 35th anniversary of FF7

[01:10:16] [SPEAKER_02]: original so I would

[01:10:18] [SPEAKER_02]: or no sorry 30th anniversary of FF7

[01:10:20] [SPEAKER_02]: original so yeah I would circle

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_02]: 2027 I mean the fact

[01:10:24] [SPEAKER_02]: now that the fact that lines up perfectly

[01:10:26] [SPEAKER_02]: the fact that they did DLC

[01:10:28] [SPEAKER_02]: and this in only three years is

[01:10:30] [SPEAKER_02]: nuts so it's yeah

[01:10:32] [SPEAKER_02]: and now there's no there's not gonna be DLC

[01:10:34] [SPEAKER_02]: for this game so we can just go straight to part

[01:10:36] [SPEAKER_02]: three right. Yeah

[01:10:38] [SPEAKER_00]: or if you want more of this game just

[01:10:40] [SPEAKER_00]: go do the side content and I think that

[01:10:42] [SPEAKER_00]: that's plenty of purpose

[01:10:44] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah purposefully does doves tail

[01:10:46] [SPEAKER_00]: us into the mini games

[01:10:48] [SPEAKER_00]: in the open world thoughts

[01:10:50] [SPEAKER_00]: okay so the

[01:10:52] [SPEAKER_00]: unending dedication that Square Enix

[01:10:54] [SPEAKER_00]: was able to put into this title

[01:10:56] [SPEAKER_00]: is just like a parent

[01:10:58] [SPEAKER_00]: on so many so many levels

[01:11:00] [SPEAKER_00]: so many layers whether it's

[01:11:02] [SPEAKER_00]: like the suit of the kind

[01:11:04] [SPEAKER_00]: of the silly side quest that you get whenever you

[01:11:06] [SPEAKER_00]: are in the

[01:11:09] [SPEAKER_00]: correll region and you go to

[01:11:12] [SPEAKER_00]: what is the name of the beach area

[01:11:14] [SPEAKER_00]: close to the soul

[01:11:16] [SPEAKER_00]: close to the soul the close to the soul

[01:11:17] [SPEAKER_00]: moments when you're trying to

[01:11:19] [SPEAKER_00]: you know you modify the outfits

[01:11:21] [SPEAKER_00]: for clad and the company just to have this like fun

[01:11:23] [SPEAKER_00]: little beach vacation and all

[01:11:25] [SPEAKER_00]: of the all of the cool stuff that you get to do there

[01:11:27] [SPEAKER_00]: the it you have red 13

[01:11:31] [SPEAKER_00]: rocket league

[01:11:31] [SPEAKER_00]: which is insane and then of course like the

[01:11:34] [SPEAKER_00]: pirate themed yeah no that was

[01:11:35] [SPEAKER_00]: so fun it's just so fun like

[01:11:37] [SPEAKER_00]: all of the run all of the different

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_00]: mini games that are available

[01:11:42] [SPEAKER_00]: here just like it's insane

[01:11:44] [SPEAKER_00]: to me to think about like that level of dedication

[01:11:46] [SPEAKER_00]: but I have to say the pinnacle of

[01:11:48] [SPEAKER_00]: it all

[01:11:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Queensblood Queensblood

[01:11:52] [SPEAKER_00]: had me in its clutches

[01:11:54] [SPEAKER_00]: from the very first moment I played

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_00]: it and it is so similar

[01:11:57] [SPEAKER_00]: to Gwent like mechanically it operates

[01:12:00] [SPEAKER_00]: very differently from Gwent when you're playing

[01:12:02] [SPEAKER_00]: in the Witcher 3 did you ever get the chance

[01:12:04] [SPEAKER_00]: to play the Witcher 3 Wild Hunt I play

[01:12:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Witcher 3 I didn't do any of the Gwent stuff

[01:12:08] [SPEAKER_02]: okay

[01:12:09] [SPEAKER_00]: gotcha yeah so if you're a card game

[01:12:11] [SPEAKER_00]: aficionado definitely like you know Gwent

[01:12:13] [SPEAKER_00]: was up there for me for being

[01:12:15] [SPEAKER_00]: like one of the best in game card games that you

[01:12:17] [SPEAKER_00]: ever played last year I reviewed Jedi

[01:12:19] [SPEAKER_00]: survivor for the show and

[01:12:21] [SPEAKER_00]: absolutely loved holo tactics

[01:12:23] [SPEAKER_00]: which was kind of more of like an RTS

[01:12:25] [SPEAKER_00]: style like you know

[01:12:27] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah more just kind of like throw

[01:12:29] [SPEAKER_00]: three units in their commanding conquer style

[01:12:31] [SPEAKER_00]: and see what happens but Queensblood

[01:12:33] [SPEAKER_00]: just like from the presentation

[01:12:35] [SPEAKER_00]: to the card designs

[01:12:37] [SPEAKER_00]: to the ability to use different summons

[01:12:40] [SPEAKER_00]: in there and obviously just like

[01:12:41] [SPEAKER_00]: the mechanics of how to use

[01:12:43] [SPEAKER_00]: the different card loadouts

[01:12:45] [SPEAKER_00]: what did you think about this Colby like

[01:12:47] [SPEAKER_00]: did you do the entire quest change

[01:12:49] [SPEAKER_00]: you get to the very end yeah I did

[01:12:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I did all the Queensblood stuff I had to

[01:12:53] [SPEAKER_02]: admittedly I had to get an IGN guide

[01:12:55] [SPEAKER_02]: for the final battle because it just kicked my ass

[01:12:57] [SPEAKER_02]: so many times but

[01:12:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Queensblood man it was so fun

[01:13:01] [SPEAKER_02]: again I'm going back to the

[01:13:03] [SPEAKER_02]: like reading comments under

[01:13:05] [SPEAKER_02]: video creator boards like

[01:13:06] [SPEAKER_02]: when you're in chapter 2 and calm when you're

[01:13:08] [SPEAKER_02]: going like you're just starting out the game

[01:13:10] [SPEAKER_02]: like when you catch up with Barrett

[01:13:12] [SPEAKER_02]: someone for like hey like what'd you do today

[01:13:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Clouds like oh nothing I spent all of our money

[01:13:16] [SPEAKER_02]: on a card game I just learned how to play

[01:13:17] [SPEAKER_02]: like just like

[01:13:19] [SPEAKER_02]: like wait what like you had stuff like that

[01:13:22] [SPEAKER_02]: it was it was so fun

[01:13:25] [SPEAKER_02]: um yeah I didn't

[01:13:26] [SPEAKER_02]: expected to be what it was

[01:13:28] [SPEAKER_02]: honestly like that really

[01:13:30] [SPEAKER_02]: like I could have gone without like

[01:13:33] [SPEAKER_02]: it being

[01:13:34] [SPEAKER_02]: like a B plot I could have gone without that

[01:13:36] [SPEAKER_02]: like I didn't need all that but

[01:13:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I would have done it even if it like wasn't

[01:13:40] [SPEAKER_02]: because they really tried to hammer home that was

[01:13:42] [SPEAKER_02]: part of like some story like it had some

[01:13:44] [SPEAKER_02]: story relevance but I could have done without that

[01:13:46] [SPEAKER_02]: if that wasn't there I still would have done all the matches

[01:13:48] [SPEAKER_02]: and there's 24 28

[01:13:51] [SPEAKER_02]: overworld opponents

[01:13:52] [SPEAKER_02]: something like that so I beat

[01:13:54] [SPEAKER_02]: as part of completing it like I'm far from

[01:13:56] [SPEAKER_02]: completing the game as a whole but

[01:13:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I've beaten all the Queens blood players

[01:14:00] [SPEAKER_02]: it's a lot of fun there's a lot of variety

[01:14:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not personally good enough at it

[01:14:04] [SPEAKER_02]: to make get the most out of it as far as

[01:14:05] [SPEAKER_02]: like different cards and decks but I had so much

[01:14:07] [SPEAKER_02]: fun playing it honestly any time

[01:14:09] [SPEAKER_02]: it was available I did it

[01:14:12] [SPEAKER_02]: the Coast of Del Sol part

[01:14:13] [SPEAKER_02]: is the highlight of it it's the cream of the crop

[01:14:15] [SPEAKER_02]: the tournament it because

[01:14:17] [SPEAKER_02]: that ship part in the original games like it's maybe

[01:14:19] [SPEAKER_02]: a half hour long total so

[01:14:21] [SPEAKER_02]: really the fact that they dragged that out and

[01:14:24] [SPEAKER_02]: gave it that moment to shine

[01:14:25] [SPEAKER_02]: so cool so worth it I had a lot of fun

[01:14:28] [SPEAKER_02]: with Queens blood and by the

[01:14:29] [SPEAKER_02]: sounds of it you might have had even more fun

[01:14:31] [SPEAKER_02]: with Queens blood. Yeah, no I just

[01:14:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I loved how it kind

[01:14:35] [SPEAKER_00]: of like that was one of the things that I was

[01:14:37] [SPEAKER_00]: most excited about in any

[01:14:39] [SPEAKER_00]: new area I was like alright where are my Queens

[01:14:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Blood players I'm looking up the map and I'm finding

[01:14:43] [SPEAKER_00]: them and I'm going to play them and

[01:14:45] [SPEAKER_00]: like there's one moment where you like fight a dog

[01:14:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty sure that you

[01:14:49] [SPEAKER_00]: play against a Chocobo

[01:14:51] [SPEAKER_00]: at a different point this game is so

[01:14:53] [SPEAKER_00]: stupid but I love it

[01:14:55] [SPEAKER_01]: you play against a robot

[01:14:57] [SPEAKER_01]: in the curl yeah you play against

[01:14:59] [SPEAKER_00]: a robot yeah

[01:15:01] [SPEAKER_00]: and then like

[01:15:03] [SPEAKER_00]: just like the amount of surprises

[01:15:05] [SPEAKER_00]: and just sheer joy and wonder that's

[01:15:07] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of like packed into this are like indicative

[01:15:09] [SPEAKER_00]: of almost all of the other ones there's

[01:15:12] [SPEAKER_00]: and like there's an iron

[01:15:13] [SPEAKER_00]: condor mini game that if I'm not

[01:15:15] [SPEAKER_00]: mistaken is in

[01:15:17] [SPEAKER_00]: the I think that's

[01:15:19] [SPEAKER_00]: also in the Coral region when you open

[01:15:21] [SPEAKER_00]: up that second half of the

[01:15:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Coral map and you're kind of exploring it

[01:15:25] [SPEAKER_00]: a little bit more

[01:15:27] [SPEAKER_00]: and that's just so much fun

[01:15:30] [SPEAKER_00]: and like obviously the

[01:15:31] [SPEAKER_00]: like kind of that throwback design that they put in

[01:15:33] [SPEAKER_00]: there to the PS1 graphics where everyone is

[01:15:35] [SPEAKER_00]: like polygonal and pixelated and stuff

[01:15:37] [SPEAKER_00]: oh yeah the Fort Condor

[01:15:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Fort Condor excuse me yes

[01:15:41] [SPEAKER_00]: that's in June on that's in June on

[01:15:44] [SPEAKER_00]: is that in June on okay got it

[01:15:45] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah the Fort Condor that's right and that's the same

[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_00]: point in time where you fight the

[01:15:50] [SPEAKER_00]: mindflayer right is that the same

[01:15:51] [SPEAKER_00]: area where that's the secret hidden

[01:15:53] [SPEAKER_02]: yes you fight the mind yeah the one you that

[01:15:55] [SPEAKER_02]: only status if you use synergy abilities

[01:15:57] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah that's him yeah

[01:15:59] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah now so so really really fun

[01:16:01] [SPEAKER_00]: moments there but like yeah cleans

[01:16:03] [SPEAKER_00]: blood as we go forward throughout the game

[01:16:05] [SPEAKER_00]: they tie in Vincent Valentine I don't

[01:16:07] [SPEAKER_00]: know why I think I feel like Vincent

[01:16:09] [SPEAKER_00]: might be like a character that you play

[01:16:11] [SPEAKER_00]: as against one point or you play against

[01:16:13] [SPEAKER_00]: in like the built

[01:16:15] [SPEAKER_00]: way to get up to the ultimate like

[01:16:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Queens blood thing but like the idea

[01:16:19] [SPEAKER_00]: that they have this like hidden like

[01:16:21] [SPEAKER_00]: spiritual force that's behind the original

[01:16:23] [SPEAKER_00]: creator of the game that's kind of like

[01:16:24] [SPEAKER_00]: manipulating things in the background it's

[01:16:26] [SPEAKER_00]: so cool definitely nerding

[01:16:29] [SPEAKER_00]: out about that sort of thing

[01:16:31] [SPEAKER_00]: but yeah

[01:16:33] [SPEAKER_00]: so we talk about just like the

[01:16:34] [SPEAKER_00]: unrelenting amount of side quests

[01:16:37] [SPEAKER_00]: and stuff there like when you get to

[01:16:38] [SPEAKER_00]: the golden saucer like every different area

[01:16:41] [SPEAKER_00]: is its own

[01:16:43] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of like either it's a combat

[01:16:44] [SPEAKER_00]: based mission or it's just a

[01:16:46] [SPEAKER_00]: different mechanically

[01:16:48] [SPEAKER_00]: alternate

[01:16:50] [SPEAKER_00]: side mini game that they have like presented

[01:16:52] [SPEAKER_00]: whether it's kind of like a star fox

[01:16:54] [SPEAKER_00]: styled mini game or you're racing on

[01:16:56] [SPEAKER_00]: a bike as cloud and doing that sequence

[01:16:58] [SPEAKER_00]: again in like a different virtual space

[01:17:00] [SPEAKER_00]: like just so much fun

[01:17:02] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah the chocobo racing didn't really do

[01:17:04] [SPEAKER_00]: it for me and I also as I went through

[01:17:06] [SPEAKER_00]: the Cosmo Canyon region I didn't realize

[01:17:08] [SPEAKER_00]: that there was like flying missions

[01:17:10] [SPEAKER_00]: that were dedicated to you fee

[01:17:12] [SPEAKER_00]: where you got to see some of her

[01:17:14] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of like characters shine a little

[01:17:16] [SPEAKER_00]: bit there I was curious like

[01:17:18] [SPEAKER_00]: did you have any favorites like what was

[01:17:19] [SPEAKER_00]: some of your favorite like mini game moments

[01:17:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I did like chocobo racing just because

[01:17:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a Mario Kart fiend

[01:17:26] [SPEAKER_02]: so like the fact that there's just a one

[01:17:28] [SPEAKER_02]: of one like that it came naturally

[01:17:30] [SPEAKER_02]: to me like oh this is Mario Kart perfect let's

[01:17:31] [SPEAKER_02]: just do this let's run through this real quick

[01:17:34] [SPEAKER_02]: mini game moments

[01:17:35] [SPEAKER_02]: God I mean there's so many of them

[01:17:38] [SPEAKER_02]: there's so many I mean

[01:17:40] [SPEAKER_02]: playing red 13 Queens blood that's gotta be

[01:17:42] [SPEAKER_02]: like number one just because it's so

[01:17:44] [SPEAKER_02]: we talked about it I don't know if it's gonna make

[01:17:45] [SPEAKER_02]: the final cut but we talked about it on or off

[01:17:47] [SPEAKER_02]: air and it's just like so unexpected and

[01:17:49] [SPEAKER_02]: crazy and it comes out of left

[01:17:51] [SPEAKER_02]: field completely

[01:17:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I hated the

[01:17:56] [SPEAKER_02]: the gizmos and gadgets one

[01:17:57] [SPEAKER_02]: the robot one in Cosmo Canyon I

[01:17:59] [SPEAKER_02]: despise that video game completely

[01:18:01] [SPEAKER_02]: it really okay

[01:18:04] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah for whatever reason it just wasn't fun

[01:18:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean there's I think there's 88 mini

[01:18:08] [SPEAKER_02]: game trophies you can win so there's 88 different mini

[01:18:10] [SPEAKER_02]: games there's so many of them they're not

[01:18:11] [SPEAKER_02]: all gonna hit but that one

[01:18:13] [SPEAKER_02]: like run run wild with red 13 that was a lot of fun

[01:18:17] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah

[01:18:19] [SPEAKER_02]: the piano was surprisingly

[01:18:20] [SPEAKER_02]: difficult like learning all the sheets

[01:18:22] [SPEAKER_02]: of music that was hard

[01:18:23] [SPEAKER_00]: really hard that was hard but oh my god

[01:18:26] [SPEAKER_00]: the amount of dopamine that I got from playing

[01:18:27] [SPEAKER_00]: the piano and I'm so glad that you brought that up because

[01:18:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't write it down and I might have forgotten it as

[01:18:31] [SPEAKER_00]: we were viewing it but I got so

[01:18:34] [SPEAKER_00]: obsessed with trying to do the piano

[01:18:35] [SPEAKER_00]: like mini game as you're playing through a piece of music it's kind of like

[01:18:39] [SPEAKER_00]: guitar hero you have to hit the certain

[01:18:40] [SPEAKER_00]: notes using your joystick

[01:18:42] [SPEAKER_00]: at the right moments I stayed up

[01:18:45] [SPEAKER_00]: till like 2 30 in the morning on a

[01:18:47] [SPEAKER_00]: work night trying to get

[01:18:48] [SPEAKER_00]: a perfect score on one of those piano

[01:18:50] [SPEAKER_00]: moments just because I was so obsessed with

[01:18:53] [SPEAKER_00]: it because like when you get it

[01:18:55] [SPEAKER_00]: right the music becomes more and more

[01:18:57] [SPEAKER_00]: complex and they literally like

[01:18:58] [SPEAKER_00]: created new compositions for

[01:19:00] [SPEAKER_00]: the original pieces that you get in every moment

[01:19:03] [SPEAKER_00]: like I wasn't a huge fan of like

[01:19:05] [SPEAKER_00]: the Barrett theme

[01:19:06] [SPEAKER_00]: or some of the other ones that are kind of at the later

[01:19:08] [SPEAKER_00]: when I'm sure people are like gasping

[01:19:10] [SPEAKER_02]: the Red 13 one I couldn't get it

[01:19:12] [SPEAKER_02]: the two legs nothing to it one

[01:19:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I could not get that one for the life of me

[01:19:17] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah definitely not so there are a few

[01:19:18] [SPEAKER_00]: ones that I kind of settled at A

[01:19:20] [SPEAKER_00]: but the first three well especially Tifa's theme

[01:19:22] [SPEAKER_00]: and like the main theme like I

[01:19:24] [SPEAKER_00]: nailed those down like I was like

[01:19:26] [SPEAKER_00]: this piece of music is so

[01:19:28] [SPEAKER_00]: important to me I have to get it right so

[01:19:30] [SPEAKER_00]: it's a it's really fun so

[01:19:32] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah I definitely finding those new piano

[01:19:34] [SPEAKER_00]: pieces were just a highlight moment there

[01:19:38] [SPEAKER_00]: and

[01:19:38] [SPEAKER_00]: you know I will say this this is kind of like

[01:19:40] [SPEAKER_00]: super pivotal we talk about the open world

[01:19:42] [SPEAKER_00]: we talk about checking off the boxes

[01:19:44] [SPEAKER_00]: the quest markers going from point to

[01:19:46] [SPEAKER_00]: point to point I got

[01:19:48] [SPEAKER_00]: tired I got fatigued

[01:19:50] [SPEAKER_00]: you know hundred fifteen hundred twenty hours in this game

[01:19:53] [SPEAKER_00]: adding moogles in there

[01:19:54] [SPEAKER_00]: that look like chaos demons from a

[01:19:56] [SPEAKER_00]: warhammer forty thousand like

[01:19:58] [SPEAKER_00]: setting did not

[01:20:00] [SPEAKER_00]: come on this game any favors

[01:20:02] [SPEAKER_00]: not enough those those little

[01:20:04] [SPEAKER_00]: things I wanted to strangle them by the

[01:20:06] [SPEAKER_00]: time it was done and then like the mini game like you go

[01:20:08] [SPEAKER_00]: how much you just go push them

[01:20:10] [SPEAKER_00]: with your character into the things like

[01:20:12] [SPEAKER_00]: what are we doing here like anyway

[01:20:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just like I'm mad more so

[01:20:16] [SPEAKER_00]: that at the design like I don't care that they're

[01:20:18] [SPEAKER_00]: going for like a cutesy thing with it

[01:20:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I respect that they want to be

[01:20:22] [SPEAKER_00]: different but why couldn't we have kept the final fantasy

[01:20:24] [SPEAKER_00]: sixteen moogles the peak pinnacle

[01:20:26] [SPEAKER_00]: moogles right

[01:20:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't really have a strong take on the moogle

[01:20:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I just like Kate's this moogle

[01:20:32] [SPEAKER_02]: he's the dude for me so I think in the moogle

[01:20:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I think of him and he's cool he's big

[01:20:36] [SPEAKER_02]: fluff big big jelly

[01:20:39] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah actually moogle is he also just

[01:20:41] [SPEAKER_02]: he's a robot but I call him

[01:20:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I call him moogle mohomes because of

[01:20:44] [SPEAKER_02]: the narrative what he plays later

[01:20:47] [SPEAKER_02]: in the game I think you know what I'm talking

[01:20:48] [SPEAKER_02]: about but yeah I do

[01:20:50] [SPEAKER_02]: four star four star

[01:20:53] [SPEAKER_02]: lefty from California

[01:20:54] [SPEAKER_02]: but no

[01:20:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I the moogles were

[01:20:59] [SPEAKER_02]: moggs house drove me nuts

[01:21:00] [SPEAKER_02]: sometimes but you know

[01:21:02] [SPEAKER_02]: they give you rewarding stuff you get the

[01:21:04] [SPEAKER_02]: the what are they called

[01:21:07] [SPEAKER_02]: blank on the name of the textbooks

[01:21:08] [SPEAKER_02]: you get the skill points the folios

[01:21:11] [SPEAKER_02]: they give you those so that's

[01:21:12] [SPEAKER_02]: that's helpful but yeah I don't have

[01:21:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I clearly don't have a strong opinion

[01:21:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I will let you fight this block this is all you

[01:21:18] [SPEAKER_02]: man if you really hate it I don't think

[01:21:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I won't get in your way see that's the thing

[01:21:22] [SPEAKER_00]: that I'm that's fair and I appreciate

[01:21:24] [SPEAKER_02]: 16 moogles I'm gonna look those up real quick

[01:21:27] [SPEAKER_00]: they're all yeah

[01:21:28] [SPEAKER_00]: they're they're really cute

[01:21:30] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah they're really cute and like

[01:21:32] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah no he's he's definitely

[01:21:34] [SPEAKER_00]: like those they just like kind of like

[01:21:36] [SPEAKER_00]: the where they have a slight fur textures

[01:21:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I was like let's go can we

[01:21:40] [SPEAKER_00]: not give moogles teeth can we just

[01:21:42] [SPEAKER_00]: that's all I'm asking that's all

[01:21:44] [SPEAKER_00]: let's not give them teeth okay please

[01:21:46] [SPEAKER_00]: because that just that leads us down

[01:21:48] [SPEAKER_00]: route where I just I don't want to

[01:21:50] [SPEAKER_00]: go there anyway so just like yeah their eyes

[01:21:52] [SPEAKER_00]: they're they're designed it just it didn't

[01:21:54] [SPEAKER_00]: hit me but I don't think I'm alone in this

[01:21:56] [SPEAKER_00]: fight I think that everybody was like sad

[01:21:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty sure that like the Japanese

[01:21:59] [SPEAKER_00]: side of Twitter was like roasting

[01:22:02] [SPEAKER_00]: the moogles in Final Fantasy 7

[01:22:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I saw yeah yeah they were

[01:22:06] [SPEAKER_00]: up and arms about it so it was uh it was definitely

[01:22:08] [SPEAKER_00]: funny so if anybody does want to

[01:22:10] [SPEAKER_00]: argue with me about they think that

[01:22:12] [SPEAKER_00]: the Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth moogles are

[01:22:13] [SPEAKER_00]: peak then go ahead and leave us a comment

[01:22:16] [SPEAKER_00]: on this video on whatever your favorite

[01:22:17] [SPEAKER_00]: podcasting platform of choice is

[01:22:19] [SPEAKER_00]: um I want to go ahead

[01:22:21] [SPEAKER_00]: and take another moment I mentioned

[01:22:23] [SPEAKER_00]: this earlier in the game I don't want to

[01:22:25] [SPEAKER_00]: retread old ground because they don't want to just

[01:22:27] [SPEAKER_00]: bog you down too much Colby but like

[01:22:29] [SPEAKER_00]: again I think this open world

[01:22:31] [SPEAKER_00]: is really well done

[01:22:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's too much

[01:22:35] [SPEAKER_00]: in this open world and I feel like it's very

[01:22:37] [SPEAKER_00]: fair for people to critique

[01:22:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Creative Business Unit 1 for

[01:22:41] [SPEAKER_00]: not doing a little bit more of self editing

[01:22:43] [SPEAKER_00]: like I know that there are probably

[01:22:45] [SPEAKER_00]: folks out there who lost their mind when they played

[01:22:47] [SPEAKER_00]: like Fork Hondo or they had

[01:22:49] [SPEAKER_00]: like 11 or 12 different minigames that

[01:22:51] [SPEAKER_00]: they could choose to do you know the fight of the

[01:22:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Rockham Sockham fights you know in the Golden

[01:22:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Saucer but just like I feel like

[01:22:57] [SPEAKER_00]: we didn't necessarily need radio towers

[01:23:00] [SPEAKER_00]: we didn't necessarily

[01:23:01] [SPEAKER_00]: need the proto relic quest chain

[01:23:03] [SPEAKER_00]: in there that we can go

[01:23:05] [SPEAKER_00]: ahead and get into the spoiler moments

[01:23:07] [SPEAKER_00]: when we cross that threshold but

[01:23:09] [SPEAKER_00]: um I

[01:23:11] [SPEAKER_00]: did uh

[01:23:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I do think that like the comparisons

[01:23:15] [SPEAKER_00]: to this would be like oh yeah

[01:23:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Square has totally you know taken a turn

[01:23:18] [SPEAKER_00]: for the worst I've heard so many people saying

[01:23:20] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah they're just copying and pasting from Ubisoft

[01:23:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I personally think that it couldn't be farther

[01:23:24] [SPEAKER_00]: from the truth like do you 100% agree with me on that

[01:23:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know enough about

[01:23:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not as plugged into the video game landscapes

[01:23:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I once was to make the Ubisoft

[01:23:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Square comparison but

[01:23:34] [SPEAKER_02]: listen this comes back to me being open like

[01:23:36] [SPEAKER_02]: a huge fan but open minded yes there's a lot

[01:23:38] [SPEAKER_02]: to do this game probably didn't need the remnant way of

[01:23:40] [SPEAKER_02]: the towers it probably didn't need a crafting system

[01:23:42] [SPEAKER_02]: which we haven't touched on it probably didn't

[01:23:44] [SPEAKER_02]: need that yes um

[01:23:46] [SPEAKER_02]: probably didn't need

[01:23:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I think we can cut 20 mini games let's get

[01:23:50] [SPEAKER_02]: let's get like 68 65 I think we could have done

[01:23:52] [SPEAKER_02]: that too but um

[01:23:54] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah so

[01:23:55] [SPEAKER_02]: they might just be suffering from success

[01:23:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know just kidding but um

[01:24:00] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah no dj call it

[01:24:02] [SPEAKER_02]: exactly uh we the best

[01:24:04] [SPEAKER_02]: but um

[01:24:07] [SPEAKER_02]: lost my train

[01:24:08] [SPEAKER_02]: no so yeah

[01:24:10] [SPEAKER_02]: there's a lot in the game admittedly but

[01:24:12] [SPEAKER_02]: the fact that you can choose not to do it

[01:24:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I think

[01:24:16] [SPEAKER_02]: is very important because the stuff you do have to do

[01:24:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it does have actual meaning

[01:24:20] [SPEAKER_02]: and does have actual like substance to it

[01:24:22] [SPEAKER_02]: so yeah the fact that

[01:24:24] [SPEAKER_02]: like

[01:24:26] [SPEAKER_02]: 70% of this game is completely

[01:24:28] [SPEAKER_02]: optional content that you can choose to do

[01:24:30] [SPEAKER_02]: is crazy and we probably didn't need to be that much

[01:24:33] [SPEAKER_02]: but I'm not going to complain that it's there

[01:24:35] [SPEAKER_02]: because if if ever

[01:24:36] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah let's say I didn't do the pro-roll quest

[01:24:38] [SPEAKER_02]: and like I go back through a playthrough

[01:24:40] [SPEAKER_02]: one of the coolest features is if you go back to

[01:24:42] [SPEAKER_02]: chapter select you can choose if you want to retain

[01:24:44] [SPEAKER_02]: all the quest data or not you can redo all the

[01:24:46] [SPEAKER_02]: quests from scratch or you can have them completed

[01:24:48] [SPEAKER_02]: as soon as you get into the chapter but

[01:24:51] [SPEAKER_00]: that's fantastic so it's like

[01:24:52] [SPEAKER_02]: okay yeah I do want to do the pro-roll quest

[01:24:54] [SPEAKER_02]: it's there for you okay yeah I do want

[01:24:56] [SPEAKER_02]: to travel the meridian ocean and get the pirate

[01:24:58] [SPEAKER_02]: treasures okay yeah you can you can do that

[01:25:00] [SPEAKER_02]: so there's plenty

[01:25:02] [SPEAKER_02]: of stuff like that that you can choose to do at a

[01:25:04] [SPEAKER_02]: later date but none of it's mandatory so

[01:25:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't see a problem with there

[01:25:08] [SPEAKER_02]: being so much it's just like for

[01:25:10] [SPEAKER_02]: me I'm more worried about like okay well on earth

[01:25:12] [SPEAKER_02]: can they do to add on to the third game

[01:25:15] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah and again like that's another question

[01:25:18] [SPEAKER_00]: that comes to mind that like I

[01:25:20] [SPEAKER_00]: really hope that creative business

[01:25:22] [SPEAKER_00]: unit one like listens to feedback

[01:25:24] [SPEAKER_00]: and is a little bit mindful about when we jump

[01:25:26] [SPEAKER_00]: into that third entry like like you said

[01:25:28] [SPEAKER_00]: 400 hours of playability

[01:25:30] [SPEAKER_00]: it sounds wonderful right for people who

[01:25:32] [SPEAKER_00]: are diehard fans of the Final Fantasy 7

[01:25:34] [SPEAKER_00]: universe if we talk about something that

[01:25:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Square has come back to time and time again

[01:25:38] [SPEAKER_00]: of wanting to achieve mainstream

[01:25:40] [SPEAKER_00]: success and like access

[01:25:42] [SPEAKER_00]: or tap into like the mainstream appeal

[01:25:44] [SPEAKER_00]: in a Final Fantasy game

[01:25:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I think like what's really important for them

[01:25:48] [SPEAKER_00]: to do is that like I don't know who would jump

[01:25:50] [SPEAKER_00]: into the third entry of a trilogy

[01:25:52] [SPEAKER_00]: of remakes without playing

[01:25:54] [SPEAKER_00]: the first two but like I think

[01:25:56] [SPEAKER_00]: that if they were to find a way to do it

[01:25:58] [SPEAKER_00]: the best way to be to streamline that

[01:26:00] [SPEAKER_00]: experience in a way that

[01:26:02] [SPEAKER_00]: wasn't necessarily true here

[01:26:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I think like the biggest point for me

[01:26:06] [SPEAKER_00]: when I'm critiquing this open world

[01:26:08] [SPEAKER_00]: is that there are super

[01:26:10] [SPEAKER_00]: interesting and pivotal

[01:26:11] [SPEAKER_00]: side plot moments like what I had mentioned earlier

[01:26:14] [SPEAKER_00]: about you know doing the

[01:26:15] [SPEAKER_00]: side quests with the dog or maybe like

[01:26:17] [SPEAKER_00]: the frog minigame with Tifa

[01:26:19] [SPEAKER_00]: like there are really pivotal

[01:26:22] [SPEAKER_00]: character moments that happen

[01:26:24] [SPEAKER_00]: outside of the main story and the side

[01:26:26] [SPEAKER_00]: story that adds so much texture and context

[01:26:28] [SPEAKER_00]: to these incredible characters

[01:26:29] [SPEAKER_00]: and they're already incredible writing that like

[01:26:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it's hard for me

[01:26:33] [SPEAKER_00]: as a good player who like leans

[01:26:36] [SPEAKER_00]: towards wanting to be on the completionist side

[01:26:38] [SPEAKER_00]: but just being prevented from doing

[01:26:40] [SPEAKER_00]: that by time

[01:26:42] [SPEAKER_00]: there's got to be a balance that you have to strike

[01:26:44] [SPEAKER_00]: there as a narrative designer

[01:26:45] [SPEAKER_00]: as a gameplay designer to say like

[01:26:47] [SPEAKER_00]: okay here's cool stuff that's not necessary

[01:26:50] [SPEAKER_00]: in the side content but all

[01:26:52] [SPEAKER_00]: of the stuff that you need to know about these characters

[01:26:54] [SPEAKER_00]: being through the golden path

[01:26:56] [SPEAKER_00]: through the main quest and I think they achieved that for the most part

[01:26:58] [SPEAKER_00]: but there are moments here and there

[01:27:00] [SPEAKER_00]: that are just like

[01:27:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I would feel bad for somebody if they missed

[01:27:03] [SPEAKER_00]: seeing the great you know the giant

[01:27:06] [SPEAKER_00]: bird

[01:27:07] [SPEAKER_00]: in like the grasslands regions

[01:27:09] [SPEAKER_00]: or maybe that was in June on

[01:27:12] [SPEAKER_00]: show up in that moment you know that they have

[01:27:14] [SPEAKER_00]: with the characters or seeing what happens

[01:27:16] [SPEAKER_00]: to like the queen at the end

[01:27:18] [SPEAKER_00]: of like the queen's blood endgame

[01:27:19] [SPEAKER_00]: like that's super cool stuff that

[01:27:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of wish that there was a way to strike

[01:27:24] [SPEAKER_00]: that balance but again is a jrpg

[01:27:26] [SPEAKER_00]: you get out of it what you put into

[01:27:28] [SPEAKER_00]: it and so that's something that we can leave

[01:27:30] [SPEAKER_00]: off there let's go ahead and just

[01:27:32] [SPEAKER_00]: do a final

[01:27:33] [SPEAKER_00]: conversation about like the music

[01:27:35] [SPEAKER_00]: that is in this game again

[01:27:38] [SPEAKER_00]: as we had said previously

[01:27:39] [SPEAKER_00]: profoundly well done in every

[01:27:41] [SPEAKER_00]: area has a very specific narrative

[01:27:44] [SPEAKER_00]: moment with its own unique theme attached

[01:27:46] [SPEAKER_00]: to it everything

[01:27:48] [SPEAKER_00]: that Final Fantasy 16 lacked

[01:27:50] [SPEAKER_00]: specifically with regards to

[01:27:52] [SPEAKER_00]: the battle completion melody

[01:27:53] [SPEAKER_00]: da da da da da da da da

[01:27:55] [SPEAKER_03]: let's go

[01:28:00] [SPEAKER_00]: that like I don't know just that

[01:28:02] [SPEAKER_00]: perfect note that series

[01:28:04] [SPEAKER_00]: that nobuo uematsu wrote for

[01:28:06] [SPEAKER_00]: the original game being here in spades

[01:28:09] [SPEAKER_00]: our friend that we've already

[01:28:10] [SPEAKER_00]: mentioned on the show Dave Jackson referred to this

[01:28:12] [SPEAKER_00]: game as the go-to title for

[01:28:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Leetmateef sickos out there who have

[01:28:16] [SPEAKER_00]: and I really have no choice but to agree with him on

[01:28:18] [SPEAKER_00]: this the way that they incorporate

[01:28:20] [SPEAKER_00]: the themes

[01:28:21] [SPEAKER_00]: from in that blend from

[01:28:23] [SPEAKER_00]: you know from one moment to the next

[01:28:25] [SPEAKER_00]: is just like insane like

[01:28:27] [SPEAKER_00]: like the moment where you hear like the main

[01:28:29] [SPEAKER_00]: theme

[01:28:30] [SPEAKER_00]: like eras theme I think almost

[01:28:33] [SPEAKER_00]: in the middle of a battle

[01:28:35] [SPEAKER_00]: like in the middle of like a heated battle

[01:28:37] [SPEAKER_00]: and like you're struggling like as

[01:28:39] [SPEAKER_00]: cloud you're almost on the like the brink

[01:28:41] [SPEAKER_00]: of like death here and then you finally

[01:28:43] [SPEAKER_00]: get like a heal or something like again

[01:28:45] [SPEAKER_00]: there are moments in this game that just

[01:28:47] [SPEAKER_00]: cannot be like first of

[01:28:49] [SPEAKER_00]: all they have to be experienced is hard to almost convey

[01:28:51] [SPEAKER_00]: that in just in a podcast format

[01:28:53] [SPEAKER_00]: but like they can't be

[01:28:55] [SPEAKER_00]: compared to in other titles

[01:28:57] [SPEAKER_00]: like there's just too much cool stuff here

[01:28:59] [SPEAKER_00]: that has never been done before I think

[01:29:01] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah nothing more to add really I mean

[01:29:03] [SPEAKER_02]: the

[01:29:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't pretend to be like a musical genius

[01:29:07] [SPEAKER_02]: or anything like that but the transition from

[01:29:09] [SPEAKER_02]: overworld theme to battle theme is something I've never really

[01:29:12] [SPEAKER_02]: it's

[01:29:13] [SPEAKER_02]: can be a weird comparison because we've never been there you wouldn't know

[01:29:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm talking about but it's almost reminds me like

[01:29:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Disney World parks like when you walk into one section

[01:29:19] [SPEAKER_02]: in Disney World

[01:29:21] [SPEAKER_02]: you the section you just left

[01:29:23] [SPEAKER_02]: the music completely fades out perfectly

[01:29:24] [SPEAKER_02]: and the music that you in the part that you walk

[01:29:26] [SPEAKER_02]: into picks up right where it left off

[01:29:29] [SPEAKER_02]: into into a different kind of theme like

[01:29:30] [SPEAKER_02]: when you're walking away from Space Mountain

[01:29:32] [SPEAKER_02]: towards Tron the Space Mountain theme like fades

[01:29:35] [SPEAKER_02]: out and Tron theme fades in and

[01:29:36] [SPEAKER_02]: same thing when you traversing through the through the sections

[01:29:39] [SPEAKER_02]: of the parks like if you've never been there you've

[01:29:41] [SPEAKER_02]: no idea I'm talking about if you have been

[01:29:43] [SPEAKER_02]: there that's kind of like what I get from it

[01:29:45] [SPEAKER_02]: it's just so cool

[01:29:46] [SPEAKER_02]: something I didn't even think that was like

[01:29:49] [SPEAKER_02]: possible because like in remake it's drastic

[01:29:50] [SPEAKER_02]: like you've like your overworld theme

[01:29:53] [SPEAKER_02]: and then bam like battle theme completely different

[01:29:54] [SPEAKER_02]: still great but completely different whereas this it's like

[01:29:56] [SPEAKER_02]: a constant constant flow

[01:29:58] [SPEAKER_02]: constant transition constant rhythm which

[01:30:01] [SPEAKER_02]: pays dividends honestly

[01:30:04] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah 100%

[01:30:05] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah I think we I think we nailed it there

[01:30:07] [SPEAKER_00]: again

[01:30:09] [SPEAKER_00]: no blue Montsource contribution to

[01:30:11] [SPEAKER_00]: refining some of the main themes for this new

[01:30:13] [SPEAKER_00]: OST and then just the other tracks that are in this

[01:30:17] [SPEAKER_00]: this game you owe it to yourself to just go on YouTube

[01:30:19] [SPEAKER_00]: look up Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth OST

[01:30:22] [SPEAKER_00]: playlist and just throw it on while you're at work

[01:30:24] [SPEAKER_00]: you're pushing through spreadsheets you're writing up board documents

[01:30:26] [SPEAKER_00]: just throw it on

[01:30:28] [SPEAKER_00]: and enjoy yourself because it's a true

[01:30:30] [SPEAKER_00]: it's magic to listen to

[01:30:32] [SPEAKER_00]: but with that let's go ahead

[01:30:34] [SPEAKER_00]: and take another break and

[01:30:36] [SPEAKER_00]: we'll listen to another track

[01:30:38] [SPEAKER_00]: from Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth and when we come back

[01:30:40] [SPEAKER_00]: we're going to talk about

[01:30:41] [SPEAKER_00]: spoiler inclusive narrative moments

[01:31:33] [SPEAKER_00]: we're back here and we're going to be talking about the

[01:31:36] [SPEAKER_00]: spoiler inclusive moments from

[01:31:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth

[01:31:39] [SPEAKER_00]: what happens here I have

[01:31:41] [SPEAKER_00]: you know Colby here to help me

[01:31:44] [SPEAKER_00]: break down get into the theory crafting

[01:31:46] [SPEAKER_00]: understand what's happening in this like

[01:31:49] [SPEAKER_00]: wild

[01:31:51] [SPEAKER_00]: this wild narrative just this wild game

[01:31:53] [SPEAKER_00]: like things that are happening like I really enjoyed

[01:31:55] [SPEAKER_00]: talking with you Colby about like a lot of the more

[01:31:57] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of simple

[01:31:59] [SPEAKER_00]: narrative moments that occur to these characters

[01:32:01] [SPEAKER_00]: things that are relatively straightforward that I think

[01:32:03] [SPEAKER_00]: are really profound and like

[01:32:06] [SPEAKER_00]: powerful then speak to like who they are

[01:32:08] [SPEAKER_00]: and why it's important that they exist in this world

[01:32:11] [SPEAKER_00]: but you know I my first

[01:32:13] [SPEAKER_00]: note here in the spoiler inclusive section is like where to start

[01:32:16] [SPEAKER_00]: where to even begin

[01:32:17] [SPEAKER_00]: and I just think that like one of the

[01:32:20] [SPEAKER_00]: one of the places that we can start is the

[01:32:21] [SPEAKER_00]: just this being a multi verse

[01:32:24] [SPEAKER_00]: story a multi verse timeline

[01:32:26] [SPEAKER_00]: and arguably a better multi

[01:32:28] [SPEAKER_00]: verse story a better multi verse

[01:32:31] [SPEAKER_00]: narrative plot thread

[01:32:32] [SPEAKER_00]: that marvel then marvel could ever do

[01:32:34] [SPEAKER_00]: ever even hope to live up to

[01:32:36] [SPEAKER_00]: so yeah they try

[01:32:38] [SPEAKER_00]: to try it again it just they can't seem to nail

[01:32:40] [SPEAKER_00]: it on the on the head

[01:32:43] [SPEAKER_00]: so starting out

[01:32:44] [SPEAKER_00]: like let's we'll start here

[01:32:46] [SPEAKER_00]: and something that I didn't experience something that I

[01:32:48] [SPEAKER_00]: didn't play is that like you get in this

[01:32:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I you're given this idea that there's

[01:32:52] [SPEAKER_00]: a proto relic in every region

[01:32:54] [SPEAKER_00]: in every region they have a silly quest line

[01:32:56] [SPEAKER_00]: where cloud and his team have to

[01:32:58] [SPEAKER_00]: hunt down these miscreants

[01:33:00] [SPEAKER_00]: and do something that's like affecting that

[01:33:02] [SPEAKER_00]: region in order to stop whatever

[01:33:04] [SPEAKER_00]: they're doing and they get a piece

[01:33:06] [SPEAKER_00]: of the proto relic to add

[01:33:08] [SPEAKER_00]: up and it seems like you're building up to this

[01:33:10] [SPEAKER_00]: fight with this cybernetic samurai

[01:33:12] [SPEAKER_00]: what is this what's going on here

[01:33:14] [SPEAKER_00]: the film even on this part okay so yeah

[01:33:16] [SPEAKER_02]: you you pretty much nail it perfectly the proto

[01:33:18] [SPEAKER_02]: relic quest

[01:33:20] [SPEAKER_02]: there's so it's so it's pieces

[01:33:22] [SPEAKER_02]: of genji armor which

[01:33:24] [SPEAKER_02]: genji is like a term

[01:33:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't really know all that much about it but it's

[01:33:28] [SPEAKER_02]: reference in crisis core get genji armor

[01:33:30] [SPEAKER_02]: is like super strong it's in this game you can craft

[01:33:32] [SPEAKER_02]: it when you get to the max level of crafting

[01:33:34] [SPEAKER_02]: like genji gloves you can do

[01:33:36] [SPEAKER_02]: it breaks the 9999

[01:33:38] [SPEAKER_02]: damaged cap like you can do more

[01:33:40] [SPEAKER_02]: damage so it's really powerful

[01:33:42] [SPEAKER_02]: armor that specifically tailor made for

[01:33:44] [SPEAKER_02]: hard mode but

[01:33:46] [SPEAKER_02]: it's like this sacred samurai armor

[01:33:48] [SPEAKER_02]: and the more you collect you

[01:33:50] [SPEAKER_02]: keep getting transported this real world cloud only

[01:33:52] [SPEAKER_02]: where chadley's aware of it

[01:33:55] [SPEAKER_02]: where you again you're fighting the cybernetic

[01:33:57] [SPEAKER_02]: samurai and he's just like

[01:33:58] [SPEAKER_02]: pestering you pestering you pestering you pestering you

[01:34:01] [SPEAKER_02]: when you finally get to mount nebel

[01:34:03] [SPEAKER_02]: and you fight that giant bird

[01:34:04] [SPEAKER_02]: and get that last piece sephiroth appears

[01:34:07] [SPEAKER_02]: and

[01:34:08] [SPEAKER_02]: he um

[01:34:10] [SPEAKER_02]: he summons he takes like all your gear

[01:34:12] [SPEAKER_02]: and summons the samurai

[01:34:14] [SPEAKER_02]: samurai who is gildamesh

[01:34:17] [SPEAKER_02]: that's who it is

[01:34:18] [SPEAKER_02]: um oh my gosh really

[01:34:20] [SPEAKER_02]: okay so he summons gildamesh

[01:34:22] [SPEAKER_02]: so he summons gildamesh and this

[01:34:24] [SPEAKER_02]: gildamesh has like lost

[01:34:26] [SPEAKER_02]: his ability to control his

[01:34:28] [SPEAKER_02]: multiverse and timeline

[01:34:30] [SPEAKER_02]: trap trip of travel like he's lost

[01:34:32] [SPEAKER_02]: the ability to control it so

[01:34:34] [SPEAKER_02]: sephiroth's like he's joking he calls him a wayward soul

[01:34:36] [SPEAKER_02]: and he looks at cloud he's like yeah he's all yours

[01:34:38] [SPEAKER_02]: and he sephiroth just dips and you fight

[01:34:40] [SPEAKER_02]: him

[01:34:41] [SPEAKER_02]: and you fight him like and you take down like half his damage

[01:34:43] [SPEAKER_02]: and he like he flees he leaves because

[01:34:45] [SPEAKER_02]: he's getting he's getting pulled away from you

[01:34:48] [SPEAKER_02]: so when you get all the um

[01:34:50] [SPEAKER_02]: so you've

[01:34:51] [SPEAKER_02]: continued the quest line a little bit longer

[01:34:53] [SPEAKER_02]: and when you get access to the meridian ocean

[01:34:54] [SPEAKER_02]: his section of the map like opens up

[01:34:57] [SPEAKER_02]: and that's when you bring all the genji armor

[01:34:59] [SPEAKER_02]: there and like he

[01:35:01] [SPEAKER_02]: but like it's incomplete so he

[01:35:03] [SPEAKER_02]: enhances it takes it back

[01:35:05] [SPEAKER_02]: and then he summons

[01:35:07] [SPEAKER_02]: three pairs of summons at you

[01:35:09] [SPEAKER_02]: so it's like phoenix

[01:35:10] [SPEAKER_02]: and it's phoenix and kajada

[01:35:13] [SPEAKER_02]: i don't know all of them but like titan bahamut

[01:35:15] [SPEAKER_02]: and um

[01:35:17] [SPEAKER_02]: alexander and like oh and

[01:35:18] [SPEAKER_02]: like those are like the six you fight and they're like

[01:35:20] [SPEAKER_02]: they're teamed up against so it's a 2v3

[01:35:23] [SPEAKER_02]: and when you beat all that

[01:35:24] [SPEAKER_02]: you fight gilgamesh and when you beat

[01:35:27] [SPEAKER_02]: him you can then summon him he's

[01:35:28] [SPEAKER_02]: he becomes a summon

[01:35:30] [SPEAKER_00]: incredible okay is he a good summon how

[01:35:32] [SPEAKER_00]: is he when he's on the field he's unreal

[01:35:34] [SPEAKER_00]: he's a really good summon but

[01:35:36] [SPEAKER_02]: um okay so his moves his

[01:35:38] [SPEAKER_02]: moves are great uh he's a he's super

[01:35:41] [SPEAKER_02]: fun to fit the fight against him might be my

[01:35:43] [SPEAKER_02]: favorite in the game the music's banging

[01:35:45] [SPEAKER_02]: he's fun to fight against and the coolest

[01:35:47] [SPEAKER_02]: thing about it is when you beat him

[01:35:48] [SPEAKER_02]: you unlock zack and sephiroth combat

[01:35:51] [SPEAKER_02]: challenges in the combat simulator

[01:35:54] [SPEAKER_00]: really okay that's actually

[01:35:55] [SPEAKER_00]: really awesome so yeah

[01:35:57] [SPEAKER_02]: you get to fight sephiroth and zack and i just

[01:35:59] [SPEAKER_02]: like last week

[01:36:01] [SPEAKER_02]: finished the sephiroth one

[01:36:02] [SPEAKER_02]: like because you can do cloudy and sephiroth

[01:36:05] [SPEAKER_02]: but i only did sephiroth i wanted to beat it

[01:36:06] [SPEAKER_02]: solo it i had to

[01:36:09] [SPEAKER_02]: have poured 10 hours into that thing and i've

[01:36:11] [SPEAKER_02]: gotten to the final round like i got to the

[01:36:12] [SPEAKER_02]: final round six times and lost six times in a row

[01:36:15] [SPEAKER_02]: and i finally beat it yeah jubilation

[01:36:17] [SPEAKER_02]: honestly like i haven't played the game

[01:36:18] [SPEAKER_02]: since yeah but it's it's so

[01:36:21] [SPEAKER_02]: freaking cool because you get a tease of

[01:36:22] [SPEAKER_02]: sephiroth's gameplay like in the beginning

[01:36:25] [SPEAKER_02]: and he's yeah the very beginning yeah

[01:36:27] [SPEAKER_02]: super fun and overpowered and just

[01:36:29] [SPEAKER_02]: being able to use that against the summons

[01:36:30] [SPEAKER_02]: and other powerful enemies is

[01:36:32] [SPEAKER_02]: it's bliss but yeah that's the um that's

[01:36:34] [SPEAKER_02]: the proto one you get access to gilgamesh

[01:36:37] [SPEAKER_02]: summon and some cool fun story beats and

[01:36:39] [SPEAKER_02]: it's a lot of fun i highly

[01:36:41] [SPEAKER_02]: recommend doing it as much of a pain as it can be

[01:36:43] [SPEAKER_00]: at times yeah definitely i think that you

[01:36:46] [SPEAKER_00]: know if i'm doing a second playthrough and

[01:36:47] [SPEAKER_00]: i'm putting this back up like i will or

[01:36:50] [SPEAKER_00]: like going back through and i could do a

[01:36:51] [SPEAKER_00]: chapter select because if i'm not mistaken

[01:36:52] [SPEAKER_00]: you could do chapter select and get

[01:36:54] [SPEAKER_00]: through the different narrative moments

[01:36:56] [SPEAKER_00]: relatively quick quicker than if you're

[01:36:58] [SPEAKER_00]: just like slogging through the game the first

[01:37:00] [SPEAKER_02]: time especially if you retain quest data you

[01:37:02] [SPEAKER_00]: just breeze through it yeah yeah you just

[01:37:05] [SPEAKER_00]: you're able to do those narrative moments and i think that's

[01:37:07] [SPEAKER_00]: like 60 hours potentially of like core

[01:37:09] [SPEAKER_00]: gameplay so that would be that would be a fun

[01:37:11] [SPEAKER_00]: thing to do in 2027 to get ready

[01:37:13] [SPEAKER_00]: for that reunion drop in the 30th

[01:37:15] [SPEAKER_00]: anniversary so yes i am i'm very hyped

[01:37:18] [SPEAKER_00]: for that and i think that's so cool i

[01:37:20] [SPEAKER_00]: know that gilgamesh has been a classic

[01:37:21] [SPEAKER_00]: summons in previous games

[01:37:23] [SPEAKER_00]: um i would say that when in terms of summons

[01:37:25] [SPEAKER_00]: i found like a really hard skill check was

[01:37:26] [SPEAKER_00]: odin um getting to odin because he's

[01:37:29] [SPEAKER_00]: basically got a timer on him and i

[01:37:31] [SPEAKER_00]: can only imagine what i played playing on normal

[01:37:33] [SPEAKER_00]: mode i can only imagine what it was like

[01:37:34] [SPEAKER_00]: going back through on hard and trying to get

[01:37:36] [SPEAKER_00]: to him in the right very specific

[01:37:39] [SPEAKER_00]: ways that you have to interact with him

[01:37:40] [SPEAKER_00]: he's the one that kept jacking me up

[01:37:43] [SPEAKER_00]: every hit he gets in like loads

[01:37:45] [SPEAKER_00]: his ultimate which

[01:37:47] [SPEAKER_00]: basically just cancels you

[01:37:48] [SPEAKER_00]: it kills you instantly yeah unless

[01:37:51] [SPEAKER_02]: you have reprieve or um like the earrings

[01:37:53] [SPEAKER_02]: or something or re-raise

[01:37:55] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah you're just you're cooked immediately

[01:37:59] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah um so yeah

[01:38:01] [SPEAKER_00]: that's that was that's really interesting i definitely

[01:38:03] [SPEAKER_00]: love that moment and then kind of like just

[01:38:05] [SPEAKER_00]: to circle back with what you were talking about

[01:38:07] [SPEAKER_00]: um the recreation

[01:38:09] [SPEAKER_00]: of the scene of what

[01:38:11] [SPEAKER_00]: happened at the very beginning of this game because i think it goes

[01:38:13] [SPEAKER_00]: from zack to then a flashback like

[01:38:16] [SPEAKER_00]: cloud is talking to the team and then

[01:38:18] [SPEAKER_00]: he's like they're asking him like what

[01:38:19] [SPEAKER_00]: happened to between you and sephiroth

[01:38:21] [SPEAKER_00]: and he literally is like okay here's

[01:38:23] [SPEAKER_00]: what happens and then he gives them the

[01:38:25] [SPEAKER_00]: story of like he and tifa

[01:38:27] [SPEAKER_00]: are living together

[01:38:29] [SPEAKER_00]: and uh and i think if it's a phone

[01:38:31] [SPEAKER_00]: mistake that's nebelheim right

[01:38:33] [SPEAKER_00]: and that's where they're from

[01:38:35] [SPEAKER_00]: they're living together but they're neighbors yeah

[01:38:37] [SPEAKER_00]: right right they're neighbors

[01:38:38] [SPEAKER_00]: their neighbors are around

[01:38:41] [SPEAKER_00]: each other they we only we only need to pour gas

[01:38:43] [SPEAKER_02]: in the in the shippers in the shippers

[01:38:45] [SPEAKER_02]: crap no need to do that

[01:38:46] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah we don't have to we don't have to get

[01:38:49] [SPEAKER_00]: too too deep into that but yeah

[01:38:51] [SPEAKER_00]: they um and cloud kind of talks about

[01:38:53] [SPEAKER_00]: how he

[01:38:54] [SPEAKER_00]: it's interesting because he has like a

[01:38:56] [SPEAKER_00]: again this is something that i didn't talk about when we

[01:38:59] [SPEAKER_00]: talked about character highlights cloud

[01:39:01] [SPEAKER_00]: is so fascinating to me in this game

[01:39:03] [SPEAKER_00]: because you get more notes from him how he had

[01:39:05] [SPEAKER_00]: like a good and like

[01:39:07] [SPEAKER_00]: he talks about how he had an enjoyable

[01:39:08] [SPEAKER_00]: upbringing from his mom and that he didn't

[01:39:11] [SPEAKER_00]: have too complicated of a relationship with her but he

[01:39:13] [SPEAKER_00]: had this desire to go be a soldier

[01:39:14] [SPEAKER_00]: and so he becomes a soldier and this is his first

[01:39:17] [SPEAKER_00]: like he's a rookie in this

[01:39:19] [SPEAKER_00]: moment that he's recounting essentially

[01:39:20] [SPEAKER_00]: he's surprised that he actually got

[01:39:22] [SPEAKER_00]: teamed up with sephiroth to go on this

[01:39:24] [SPEAKER_00]: trip on this mission um to nebelheim

[01:39:26] [SPEAKER_00]: and like obviously they're going there

[01:39:28] [SPEAKER_00]: to go take down monsters that have messed

[01:39:30] [SPEAKER_00]: with the reactor and something is wrong

[01:39:32] [SPEAKER_00]: with the the shinra reactor in this

[01:39:34] [SPEAKER_00]: region or the shinra laboratory

[01:39:36] [SPEAKER_00]: facility feel free to stop me if i'm getting any of this

[01:39:38] [SPEAKER_02]: no you're right yeah but um exactly right

[01:39:41] [SPEAKER_00]: and and it's like they

[01:39:42] [SPEAKER_00]: they show up there to

[01:39:44] [SPEAKER_00]: this they show up to the the

[01:39:46] [SPEAKER_00]: village and like tifa is there in her cowboy

[01:39:48] [SPEAKER_00]: outfit which is hilarious

[01:39:51] [SPEAKER_00]: and then um

[01:39:52] [SPEAKER_00]: and then they like are there and realize

[01:39:54] [SPEAKER_00]: that they need a guy to get up there and so

[01:39:56] [SPEAKER_00]: tifa is the only one

[01:39:58] [SPEAKER_00]: available at this point in time and she

[01:40:00] [SPEAKER_00]: leads cloud sephiroth and

[01:40:02] [SPEAKER_00]: like a couple of the other grunts the shinra

[01:40:04] [SPEAKER_00]: like soldiers up there to go

[01:40:06] [SPEAKER_00]: check out and see what's going on

[01:40:09] [SPEAKER_00]: if i'm not mistaken

[01:40:11] [SPEAKER_00]: this is the moment

[01:40:14] [SPEAKER_00]: when sephiroth

[01:40:15] [SPEAKER_00]: realizes

[01:40:16] [SPEAKER_00]: please please correct me for a moment

[01:40:18] [SPEAKER_00]: because i'm taking a kind of like a mental

[01:40:20] [SPEAKER_00]: leap here but the moment

[01:40:22] [SPEAKER_00]: when sephiroth gets into

[01:40:23] [SPEAKER_00]: the the reactor and they realize

[01:40:26] [SPEAKER_00]: that they were testing

[01:40:27] [SPEAKER_00]: on subjects testing on

[01:40:30] [SPEAKER_00]: experimenting on humans

[01:40:31] [SPEAKER_00]: using the genova cells

[01:40:34] [SPEAKER_00]: this is when he realized

[01:40:35] [SPEAKER_00]: that he is like actually

[01:40:37] [SPEAKER_00]: a creation like he's

[01:40:40] [SPEAKER_00]: he's not he's like a creation

[01:40:42] [SPEAKER_00]: of genova that he's not

[01:40:43] [SPEAKER_00]: actually a human being is that right

[01:40:45] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah no that's that's absolutely correct

[01:40:47] [SPEAKER_02]: so he was told from young age

[01:40:48] [SPEAKER_02]: and this this is

[01:40:50] [SPEAKER_02]: stated on ever crisis which is

[01:40:52] [SPEAKER_02]: has which is a

[01:40:54] [SPEAKER_02]: mobile game that has

[01:40:56] [SPEAKER_02]: that features like a young sephiroth story

[01:40:59] [SPEAKER_02]: something they've never done before so it's completely new but

[01:41:02] [SPEAKER_02]: he's he's told

[01:41:03] [SPEAKER_02]: from early on that his mother's name is genova

[01:41:05] [SPEAKER_02]: she died when she when he was young

[01:41:06] [SPEAKER_02]: that he's um so when he walks

[01:41:09] [SPEAKER_02]: in there and sees the genova name and sees like

[01:41:11] [SPEAKER_02]: the genova name because the door is not

[01:41:13] [SPEAKER_02]: open to actually to what genova actually

[01:41:15] [SPEAKER_02]: is yet but you can see like the pumps

[01:41:17] [SPEAKER_02]: and cells going into these

[01:41:19] [SPEAKER_02]: once humans now turned

[01:41:21] [SPEAKER_02]: monsters so he um he

[01:41:23] [SPEAKER_02]: is the mental break of like it like my mother's name was

[01:41:25] [SPEAKER_02]: genova um

[01:41:27] [SPEAKER_02]: am I the same as these monsters am I even human

[01:41:29] [SPEAKER_02]: that's like stuff he says but

[01:41:32] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah you hit the nail around

[01:41:33] [SPEAKER_02]: the head that's uh that the whole

[01:41:35] [SPEAKER_02]: flat the whole point of the flashback is to give

[01:41:36] [SPEAKER_02]: sephiroth um his his backstory

[01:41:38] [SPEAKER_02]: and why he was driven insane

[01:41:40] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah he goes to the manor locks himself

[01:41:43] [SPEAKER_02]: in the basement for seven days and then

[01:41:44] [SPEAKER_02]: comes to the incorrect conclusion that

[01:41:47] [SPEAKER_02]: he is the the last ancient

[01:41:48] [SPEAKER_02]: er like yeah

[01:41:50] [SPEAKER_00]: and he's he but he's actually not

[01:41:52] [SPEAKER_00]: and he's not in any way really related

[01:41:54] [SPEAKER_00]: to erithite she's actually the last there's

[01:41:57] [SPEAKER_02]: zero there's zero ancient in him

[01:42:00] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah

[01:42:00] [SPEAKER_00]: which is kind of crazy and if

[01:42:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not mistaken so the thing that fucked

[01:42:04] [SPEAKER_00]: me up about this colby is that before

[01:42:06] [SPEAKER_00]: because they hit you with all of this like

[01:42:09] [SPEAKER_00]: really heavy like kind of complex

[01:42:11] [SPEAKER_00]: narrative stuff at the very beginning

[01:42:13] [SPEAKER_00]: of this game before actually playing it

[01:42:15] [SPEAKER_00]: like the night before I watched

[01:42:18] [SPEAKER_00]: a youtube

[01:42:19] [SPEAKER_00]: summary like somebody did like

[01:42:21] [SPEAKER_00]: a quick cut like summary that

[01:42:23] [SPEAKER_00]: like and I say quick cut this was like a 45

[01:42:25] [SPEAKER_00]: minute like video essay that

[01:42:26] [SPEAKER_02]: short for a f7 that's really sure

[01:42:29] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah yeah they were talking about like

[01:42:31] [SPEAKER_00]: what happened in final fantasy

[01:42:33] [SPEAKER_00]: crisis core because I knew that as soon

[01:42:35] [SPEAKER_00]: as I realized that Zach was a part of this game I was like

[01:42:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I have to figure out what's

[01:42:39] [SPEAKER_00]: significant about crisis core like what's

[01:42:41] [SPEAKER_00]: going on here and like why he

[01:42:43] [SPEAKER_00]: is important and I think that like I

[01:42:45] [SPEAKER_00]: definitely found

[01:42:47] [SPEAKER_00]: something that it was

[01:42:49] [SPEAKER_00]: um that that

[01:42:52] [SPEAKER_00]: was really interesting to the

[01:42:53] [SPEAKER_00]: extent of that

[01:42:56] [SPEAKER_00]: when I was playing this

[01:42:57] [SPEAKER_00]: game a lot of the stuff that I was learning about

[01:42:59] [SPEAKER_00]: what happens in crisis core is not

[01:43:02] [SPEAKER_00]: really true for

[01:43:03] [SPEAKER_00]: the way that they were laying out the narrative

[01:43:05] [SPEAKER_00]: presentation of like what happens to sepheral

[01:43:07] [SPEAKER_00]: the whole thing with like

[01:43:09] [SPEAKER_00]: genesis and everything that happens

[01:43:11] [SPEAKER_00]: with him and like Zach like do you

[01:43:13] [SPEAKER_00]: think that they're being like true

[01:43:15] [SPEAKER_00]: to like what happens there or

[01:43:17] [SPEAKER_00]: they kind of just run in with their own

[01:43:19] [SPEAKER_00]: thing and like what their interpretation

[01:43:21] [SPEAKER_00]: of what happens in the main final fantasy

[01:43:23] [SPEAKER_02]: story. So yeah crisis core kind of like

[01:43:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying not to swear

[01:43:27] [SPEAKER_02]: but they kind of fucked up the flashback

[01:43:29] [SPEAKER_02]: by putting genesis in it

[01:43:31] [SPEAKER_02]: like it was perfect the way it was but

[01:43:34] [SPEAKER_02]: like they put genesis in there because

[01:43:36] [SPEAKER_02]: genesis is like

[01:43:37] [SPEAKER_02]: his whole his whole character model

[01:43:39] [SPEAKER_02]: and voice actors like this real life

[01:43:41] [SPEAKER_02]: jpop star um

[01:43:43] [SPEAKER_02]: so wow so and he like

[01:43:45] [SPEAKER_02]: and like to get him in the game they

[01:43:47] [SPEAKER_02]: had to meet certain like contract requirements

[01:43:49] [SPEAKER_02]: and part of that was him being in the flashback

[01:43:52] [SPEAKER_02]: scene with sepheralth and like telling

[01:43:53] [SPEAKER_02]: him that he's a monster and telling him that he's

[01:43:55] [SPEAKER_02]: not actually a human being

[01:43:57] [SPEAKER_02]: but yeah so the crisis core

[01:43:59] [SPEAKER_02]: one is kind of like retcon it's not really

[01:44:01] [SPEAKER_02]: what happened what happens in the ff7 original

[01:44:03] [SPEAKER_02]: and in rebirth that's much more

[01:44:06] [SPEAKER_02]: focus on those two

[01:44:07] [SPEAKER_02]: much more primarily than

[01:44:10] [SPEAKER_02]: what happens in the crisis core one.

[01:44:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Got it yeah because

[01:44:13] [SPEAKER_00]: if I'm not mistaken like there were like

[01:44:15] [SPEAKER_00]: hojo was a lead

[01:44:17] [SPEAKER_00]: scientist at shinrun then he had another

[01:44:19] [SPEAKER_00]: scientist who was like vastly

[01:44:21] [SPEAKER_00]: more superior like intellectually

[01:44:23] [SPEAKER_00]: gifted yeah professor that

[01:44:26] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah he was the one

[01:44:27] [SPEAKER_00]: that created sepheralth

[01:44:29] [SPEAKER_00]: and then hojo was the one that like made

[01:44:31] [SPEAKER_00]: genesis and all of these other kind

[01:44:33] [SPEAKER_00]: of mutated human like variants

[01:44:35] [SPEAKER_00]: like variants yeah and they were

[01:44:37] [SPEAKER_00]: all kind of like lesser imitations but

[01:44:39] [SPEAKER_00]: apparently like the first professor got

[01:44:41] [SPEAKER_00]: killed or he died somehow

[01:44:44] [SPEAKER_00]: um that'll be covered in part three don't worry

[01:44:47] [SPEAKER_00]: okay okay so they're gonna

[01:44:49] [SPEAKER_00]: they're gonna bring it back they're gonna

[01:44:50] [SPEAKER_00]: they're gonna pull it forward yeah the origin

[01:44:52] [SPEAKER_02]: story is not over yet trust me

[01:44:54] [SPEAKER_02]: it gets it's it gets even better

[01:44:56] [SPEAKER_02]: like in a good way it gets better

[01:44:59] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah so it's uh it's definitely

[01:45:01] [SPEAKER_00]: really interesting kind of seeing where

[01:45:02] [SPEAKER_00]: sepheralth came from and then the idea

[01:45:04] [SPEAKER_00]: that he

[01:45:06] [SPEAKER_00]: you know is responsible like the falling out

[01:45:08] [SPEAKER_00]: that happens between him and cloud like the

[01:45:10] [SPEAKER_00]: thing is that he's he's raises

[01:45:12] [SPEAKER_00]: and destroys the entire clouds hometown

[01:45:14] [SPEAKER_00]: um and you see this moment

[01:45:16] [SPEAKER_00]: where tifa dies

[01:45:18] [SPEAKER_00]: she dies in this flashback too

[01:45:20] [SPEAKER_00]: does she die what is

[01:45:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm still I'm still kind of like a

[01:45:24] [SPEAKER_00]: little bit perplexed on this because of course

[01:45:26] [SPEAKER_00]: we're seeing this from the perspective

[01:45:28] [SPEAKER_00]: of cloud and the spoiler for

[01:45:30] [SPEAKER_00]: cloud is that cloud is not a fucking real

[01:45:32] [SPEAKER_00]: boy he's he is not a

[01:45:34] [SPEAKER_02]: dude he's

[01:45:36] [SPEAKER_02]: that's a good way to put it he's not a dude

[01:45:38] [SPEAKER_02]: he's not he's a he's a player

[01:45:40] [SPEAKER_02]: he's a player not a player

[01:45:42] [SPEAKER_02]: that's right that's right

[01:45:44] [SPEAKER_02]: so but so yeah the

[01:45:46] [SPEAKER_02]: twist on this is

[01:45:49] [SPEAKER_02]: in the original game like

[01:45:50] [SPEAKER_02]: everything with tifa happens and there's

[01:45:52] [SPEAKER_02]: there's actually if you've any interest there's a

[01:45:54] [SPEAKER_02]: book that came out last year called

[01:45:56] [SPEAKER_02]: traces of two paths and it's about tifa

[01:45:59] [SPEAKER_02]: okay it's about tifa and erith

[01:46:01] [SPEAKER_02]: and it's about conversations they have

[01:46:03] [SPEAKER_02]: in between the end of remake

[01:46:04] [SPEAKER_02]: in the beginning of this game

[01:46:06] [SPEAKER_02]: and it covers and it covers what happens

[01:46:09] [SPEAKER_02]: to tifa in between the time

[01:46:11] [SPEAKER_02]: of the nebelheim incident

[01:46:12] [SPEAKER_02]: and where remake picks up so if you've any

[01:46:14] [SPEAKER_02]: interest in that highly recommend it

[01:46:16] [SPEAKER_02]: it's really good um okay but anyway

[01:46:19] [SPEAKER_02]: the whole tifa getting

[01:46:21] [SPEAKER_02]: slashed by sephiroth thing that happens

[01:46:23] [SPEAKER_02]: in the original the twist is

[01:46:24] [SPEAKER_02]: there's no mention of her dying in that event

[01:46:26] [SPEAKER_02]: sephiroth can manipulate the cloud

[01:46:28] [SPEAKER_02]: into making her believe that she died

[01:46:30] [SPEAKER_02]: and he does it successfully because in chapter

[01:46:33] [SPEAKER_02]: nine all hell breaks loose

[01:46:34] [SPEAKER_02]: and it's super cool and it's in your

[01:46:37] [SPEAKER_02]: notes um like what happens

[01:46:39] [SPEAKER_02]: to tifa at that point in the game but

[01:46:40] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah her dying is a completely new twist

[01:46:43] [SPEAKER_02]: i think they did it super freaking well

[01:46:44] [SPEAKER_02]: it was unexpected and

[01:46:48] [SPEAKER_02]: it didn't

[01:46:49] [SPEAKER_02]: it was something new that

[01:46:51] [SPEAKER_02]: didn't have an lasting

[01:46:52] [SPEAKER_02]: like implications on

[01:46:54] [SPEAKER_02]: the ending of this game

[01:46:57] [SPEAKER_02]: because they kind of like they kind

[01:46:59] [SPEAKER_02]: of overcome like okay like she never

[01:47:00] [SPEAKER_02]: actually died like in chapter nine

[01:47:03] [SPEAKER_02]: she didn't actually die she's a real

[01:47:04] [SPEAKER_02]: she's not genova she's not manipulation

[01:47:07] [SPEAKER_02]: so it was a cool little

[01:47:09] [SPEAKER_02]: like whoa like what's happening

[01:47:11] [SPEAKER_02]: here is and then it came to a

[01:47:13] [SPEAKER_02]: climax in chapter nine so

[01:47:14] [SPEAKER_02]: that's all completely new i thought it was done

[01:47:17] [SPEAKER_02]: super well and again that's just more

[01:47:19] [SPEAKER_02]: evidence of what sephiroth can do to

[01:47:20] [SPEAKER_02]: manipulate cloud and the party into doing

[01:47:23] [SPEAKER_02]: whatever he wants

[01:47:24] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah like this whole game like the the

[01:47:26] [SPEAKER_00]: ideas that this party is like hunting down

[01:47:28] [SPEAKER_00]: sephiroth but sephiroth is literally like

[01:47:30] [SPEAKER_00]: they're in their shadow the entire

[01:47:33] [SPEAKER_00]: time like watching what they're doing

[01:47:34] [SPEAKER_00]: he's three steps in the course of events

[01:47:36] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah he's three steps ahead and like as

[01:47:38] [SPEAKER_00]: soon as like cloud answers

[01:47:40] [SPEAKER_00]: at any moment there's a period

[01:47:42] [SPEAKER_00]: of stress that they're experiencing

[01:47:46] [SPEAKER_00]: or he's trying to like get any sort of

[01:47:48] [SPEAKER_00]: like peace

[01:47:49] [SPEAKER_00]: sephiroth never fails to show up there

[01:47:51] [SPEAKER_00]: and be like hey listen you're like

[01:47:53] [SPEAKER_00]: you're my little puppet boy you're supposed to do

[01:47:54] [SPEAKER_00]: what i would what i tell you to do and it's

[01:47:56] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah it's very interesting kind of seeing

[01:47:58] [SPEAKER_00]: the dynamic that they have in there we

[01:48:00] [SPEAKER_00]: get more sephiroth in this game than i imagine

[01:48:02] [SPEAKER_00]: that we would which i'm very grateful for

[01:48:04] [SPEAKER_00]: because he's such a cool character it's nice

[01:48:06] [SPEAKER_00]: to have him kind of be a little bit more fleshed out

[01:48:08] [SPEAKER_00]: as opposed to just being the the big bad

[01:48:10] [SPEAKER_00]: that's like the for lack of a better word

[01:48:12] [SPEAKER_00]: of macguffin to pull these characters

[01:48:14] [SPEAKER_00]: through the story but what you were talking

[01:48:16] [SPEAKER_00]: about with erith there i think is like

[01:48:18] [SPEAKER_00]: one of the pivotal like standout moments

[01:48:20] [SPEAKER_00]: like so many moments in this game where

[01:48:22] [SPEAKER_00]: i just like i stood up i was like no way

[01:48:24] [SPEAKER_00]: that this is happening this is insane it's

[01:48:26] [SPEAKER_00]: when exactly as you said

[01:48:28] [SPEAKER_00]: um you're you're battling

[01:48:30] [SPEAKER_00]: the the shinra the the lady

[01:48:32] [SPEAKER_00]: executive for shinra i can't remember her

[01:48:34] [SPEAKER_00]: character's name either scarlet

[01:48:36] [SPEAKER_00]: scarlet that's right yes scarlet

[01:48:38] [SPEAKER_00]: because she's always wearing the red dress

[01:48:39] [SPEAKER_00]: and she's the one that actually

[01:48:41] [SPEAKER_00]: was responsible for

[01:48:43] [SPEAKER_00]: the the you know obviously

[01:48:45] [SPEAKER_00]: for kind of destroying

[01:48:47] [SPEAKER_00]: barrett's hometown after the reactor meltdown

[01:48:50] [SPEAKER_00]: because they threatened

[01:48:51] [SPEAKER_00]: them and everything and so she

[01:48:53] [SPEAKER_00]: essentially has it has beef with barrett

[01:48:55] [SPEAKER_00]: and that whole area but like

[01:48:57] [SPEAKER_00]: she comes back and obviously she's trying

[01:48:59] [SPEAKER_00]: to hunt down a cloud in the

[01:49:01] [SPEAKER_00]: team because rufus realizes that something

[01:49:03] [SPEAKER_00]: is going on and that the this this party

[01:49:06] [SPEAKER_00]: is somehow connected to sephiroth which

[01:49:08] [SPEAKER_00]: is related to the the fate of the world

[01:49:12] [SPEAKER_00]: and you know at this

[01:49:14] [SPEAKER_00]: moment obviously after they fight her

[01:49:17] [SPEAKER_00]: cloud is having this like this

[01:49:19] [SPEAKER_00]: period of like kind of

[01:49:21] [SPEAKER_00]: i guess

[01:49:22] [SPEAKER_00]: cognitive dissonance he's like going in

[01:49:24] [SPEAKER_00]: and out he's very clearly like the allegory here

[01:49:26] [SPEAKER_00]: is that he's experiencing some type of ptsd

[01:49:28] [SPEAKER_00]: because he's a soldier that's been in

[01:49:29] [SPEAKER_00]: all kinds of battles and stuff before but

[01:49:31] [SPEAKER_00]: like literally when you look at the story

[01:49:34] [SPEAKER_00]: you kind of pick it apart that he is being

[01:49:35] [SPEAKER_00]: his mind is being torn apart

[01:49:38] [SPEAKER_00]: because his consciousness is existing

[01:49:40] [SPEAKER_00]: in two different timelines simultaneously

[01:49:42] [SPEAKER_00]: and

[01:49:43] [SPEAKER_00]: and he's seeing sephiroth sephiroth

[01:49:45] [SPEAKER_00]: is manipulating him and at one point sephiroth

[01:49:48] [SPEAKER_00]: takes the place of tifa and

[01:49:50] [SPEAKER_00]: in the real world cloud

[01:49:51] [SPEAKER_00]: almost cuts her in half with his buster sword

[01:49:54] [SPEAKER_00]: which just causes her to fall

[01:49:56] [SPEAKER_00]: into the life stream

[01:49:57] [SPEAKER_00]: where the original game

[01:50:00] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah and this never happens in the

[01:50:02] [SPEAKER_00]: original and and this is

[01:50:04] [SPEAKER_00]: a really cool moment because this is

[01:50:05] [SPEAKER_00]: where you realize where we talked about

[01:50:08] [SPEAKER_00]: that the whispers in this

[01:50:10] [SPEAKER_00]: game are having a war

[01:50:12] [SPEAKER_00]: with each other within inside

[01:50:14] [SPEAKER_00]: of the life stream of gaya because

[01:50:16] [SPEAKER_00]: there's no what they call arbor

[01:50:17] [SPEAKER_00]: fate there's no like i guess because

[01:50:19] [SPEAKER_00]: we kill them in remake

[01:50:22] [SPEAKER_00]: exactly because we we kill them

[01:50:23] [SPEAKER_00]: there's there's nothing that's kind of like

[01:50:25] [SPEAKER_00]: making sure that the events that

[01:50:27] [SPEAKER_00]: the timeline of events that are supposed

[01:50:29] [SPEAKER_00]: to happen in this universe

[01:50:31] [SPEAKER_00]: in this world are happening the way that

[01:50:33] [SPEAKER_00]: we expect them to

[01:50:35] [SPEAKER_00]: and so at this point like the

[01:50:37] [SPEAKER_00]: planet has deployed these like

[01:50:39] [SPEAKER_00]: guardian spirits that have just these

[01:50:41] [SPEAKER_00]: massive orbs of mako that are tied

[01:50:43] [SPEAKER_00]: to them and

[01:50:45] [SPEAKER_00]: tifa is kind of like sucked into one

[01:50:47] [SPEAKER_00]: and through this like it's something

[01:50:49] [SPEAKER_00]: i'm trying to remember if something was conveyed

[01:50:51] [SPEAKER_00]: to her it's just that i think this is the moment where

[01:50:53] [SPEAKER_00]: the game is trying to tell you that like

[01:50:55] [SPEAKER_00]: the fate of the world is kind of sitting

[01:50:57] [SPEAKER_00]: in the hands of cloud and the in the team

[01:51:00] [SPEAKER_00]: but that like there's

[01:51:01] [SPEAKER_00]: that she as

[01:51:03] [SPEAKER_00]: an outsider who is not cloud

[01:51:05] [SPEAKER_00]: is given access to information

[01:51:07] [SPEAKER_00]: that like you have to make

[01:51:09] [SPEAKER_00]: sure that things happen the right way that you have to defend

[01:51:12] [SPEAKER_00]: the planet

[01:51:13] [SPEAKER_00]: and i thought that was really really interesting

[01:51:15] [SPEAKER_00]: i mean was it was there more to that

[01:51:17] [SPEAKER_02]: so it's definitely again

[01:51:19] [SPEAKER_02]: it's setting up something that's going to come in part

[01:51:21] [SPEAKER_02]: three so it's kind

[01:51:23] [SPEAKER_02]: of like a throwing out a uped part

[01:51:25] [SPEAKER_02]: three for what's going to happen in that game but

[01:51:27] [SPEAKER_02]: now you hit the nail in the head

[01:51:29] [SPEAKER_02]: because in the original

[01:51:31] [SPEAKER_02]: in ff7 lore

[01:51:33] [SPEAKER_02]: the idea of sephiroth

[01:51:35] [SPEAKER_02]: existing in the light stream and doing

[01:51:37] [SPEAKER_02]: stuff in the light stream

[01:51:38] [SPEAKER_02]: has always been around like that's always

[01:51:41] [SPEAKER_02]: existing and here we actually see it

[01:51:43] [SPEAKER_02]: which is super cool he's in the light stream

[01:51:45] [SPEAKER_02]: fighting alongside

[01:51:47] [SPEAKER_02]: his band of whispers against the weapons

[01:51:50] [SPEAKER_02]: and yeah he

[01:51:51] [SPEAKER_02]: almost cuts one of them in half which i thought was

[01:51:53] [SPEAKER_02]: the cool one of the coolest parts of the whole game

[01:51:55] [SPEAKER_02]: is like sephiroth cutting in half

[01:51:57] [SPEAKER_02]: this um

[01:51:59] [SPEAKER_02]: this basically guardian of the planet

[01:52:01] [SPEAKER_02]: as red 13 calls him but

[01:52:03] [SPEAKER_02]: it's just yeah i think you hit the nail in the head

[01:52:05] [SPEAKER_02]: it's giving a character

[01:52:08] [SPEAKER_02]: that is not

[01:52:10] [SPEAKER_02]: intently connected to the

[01:52:11] [SPEAKER_02]: fate of the planet because claus sephiroth and erith

[01:52:13] [SPEAKER_02]: they're so intertwined with what's going to come

[01:52:16] [SPEAKER_02]: tifa not so much

[01:52:17] [SPEAKER_02]: so it's giving another character

[01:52:19] [SPEAKER_02]: an outlet of information that

[01:52:21] [SPEAKER_02]: is very important

[01:52:23] [SPEAKER_02]: and you know you can rely on tifa because she doesn't have

[01:52:26] [SPEAKER_02]: jenova cells in her she can't be manipulated by

[01:52:27] [SPEAKER_02]: sephiroth um you can count on her

[01:52:29] [SPEAKER_02]: you can count on her with that information whereas

[01:52:31] [SPEAKER_02]: like another if another if it was another character

[01:52:33] [SPEAKER_02]: it might be a little different but

[01:52:35] [SPEAKER_02]: no that was definitely a cool scene it's um

[01:52:38] [SPEAKER_02]: you know tifa is like she gains

[01:52:39] [SPEAKER_02]: knowledge of the light stream she gains knowledge

[01:52:41] [SPEAKER_02]: she gains knowledge of what's going on in the

[01:52:43] [SPEAKER_02]: light stream uh and the urgency

[01:52:45] [SPEAKER_02]: is ramped up

[01:52:47] [SPEAKER_02]: as soon as you leave that part of the game which

[01:52:49] [SPEAKER_02]: i think is really cool

[01:52:51] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah it is cool there are moments

[01:52:53] [SPEAKER_00]: from that point where i was like

[01:52:55] [SPEAKER_00]: this is a really strong start to like

[01:52:57] [SPEAKER_00]: build towards like the plateau of the

[01:52:59] [SPEAKER_00]: client climactic like well into the game

[01:53:01] [SPEAKER_00]: you get stalled

[01:53:03] [SPEAKER_00]: by more open world side quest activities

[01:53:05] [SPEAKER_00]: which i think like again like

[01:53:07] [SPEAKER_00]: if i were to want to experience this

[01:53:09] [SPEAKER_00]: game purely on the narrative thread i

[01:53:11] [SPEAKER_00]: i would imagine that it flows much much

[01:53:13] [SPEAKER_00]: better um if i'm able to just kind

[01:53:15] [SPEAKER_00]: of like keep all of the map data and

[01:53:17] [SPEAKER_00]: then just go through the game just purely for

[01:53:19] [SPEAKER_00]: the narrative in one play through at one

[01:53:21] [SPEAKER_00]: moment so i'm sure that that would flow

[01:53:22] [SPEAKER_00]: very well in that way uh but yeah

[01:53:25] [SPEAKER_00]: no it's definitely was really interesting

[01:53:27] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of giving her that character

[01:53:29] [SPEAKER_00]: moment and like obviously

[01:53:31] [SPEAKER_00]: solidifying for both her and

[01:53:33] [SPEAKER_00]: erith that we've already

[01:53:35] [SPEAKER_00]: established that they are talking

[01:53:37] [SPEAKER_00]: behind clouds back or they're talking to

[01:53:39] [SPEAKER_00]: each other about what's happening in the cloud because they realize

[01:53:41] [SPEAKER_00]: that he's either not who he says he is

[01:53:43] [SPEAKER_00]: or there's something

[01:53:45] [SPEAKER_00]: that like they know that

[01:53:47] [SPEAKER_00]: we as the player slash audience

[01:53:49] [SPEAKER_00]: aren't supposed to know yet which i

[01:53:51] [SPEAKER_00]: think is like just endlessly fascinating

[01:53:53] [SPEAKER_00]: when we look at these two you know on

[01:53:55] [SPEAKER_00]: their face very altruistic characters being

[01:53:57] [SPEAKER_00]: a little bit underhanded um

[01:53:59] [SPEAKER_00]: so yeah and i think like at this

[01:54:01] [SPEAKER_00]: point we talked about a lot of like the nuts

[01:54:03] [SPEAKER_00]: and bolts um you know when it comes

[01:54:05] [SPEAKER_00]: to the mount correll region

[01:54:07] [SPEAKER_00]: the apex for me obviously going out of the

[01:54:10] [SPEAKER_00]: golden saucer hanging out with

[01:54:11] [SPEAKER_00]: uh what's his name dio the mayor dio

[01:54:14] [SPEAKER_00]: who's just absolutely

[01:54:15] [SPEAKER_00]: juicing juice monkey insane like that man

[01:54:17] [SPEAKER_00]: is on like a round of tests and just

[01:54:19] [SPEAKER_00]: like all kind of you know adh or

[01:54:21] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah he's on all kinds

[01:54:23] [SPEAKER_02]: he gives him a cloud i mean my god

[01:54:26] [SPEAKER_00]: i know cloud could use a little bit but

[01:54:28] [SPEAKER_00]: you know the boy is strong enough

[01:54:30] [SPEAKER_00]: as it is but no there's

[01:54:32] [SPEAKER_00]: uh you know the client the emotional

[01:54:34] [SPEAKER_00]: climax for me is definitely

[01:54:35] [SPEAKER_00]: um barrett coming back to town

[01:54:37] [SPEAKER_00]: realizing that he is kind of the

[01:54:39] [SPEAKER_00]: the bad guy of his

[01:54:41] [SPEAKER_00]: of his hometown uh

[01:54:43] [SPEAKER_00]: he was the one that was responsible for trying to

[01:54:45] [SPEAKER_00]: push for the reactor the reactor went

[01:54:47] [SPEAKER_00]: bad to cover it up shinra

[01:54:49] [SPEAKER_00]: obliterated the people in the town

[01:54:51] [SPEAKER_00]: they killed barrett's wife

[01:54:53] [SPEAKER_00]: they killed uh barrett's best

[01:54:55] [SPEAKER_00]: friend could you remind me his

[01:54:57] [SPEAKER_00]: name do you know what his name is

[01:54:59] [SPEAKER_00]: dying yes see barrett's best friend

[01:55:01] [SPEAKER_00]: they killed his family they were going to

[01:55:03] [SPEAKER_00]: kill um nina his uh who

[01:55:05] [SPEAKER_00]: was dines actual daughter

[01:55:07] [SPEAKER_00]: marlene and then

[01:55:09] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah marl excuse me you're right marlene

[01:55:12] [SPEAKER_00]: they were going to kill marlene and uh

[01:55:14] [SPEAKER_00]: in the conflict of while shinra

[01:55:16] [SPEAKER_00]: is trying to kind of like obliterate

[01:55:17] [SPEAKER_00]: the town like dine um

[01:55:20] [SPEAKER_00]: it gets knocked off of the cliff and

[01:55:22] [SPEAKER_00]: barrett tries to save him and

[01:55:24] [SPEAKER_00]: they literally shoot barrett's arm off

[01:55:26] [SPEAKER_00]: causing dine to fall into this like pit

[01:55:27] [SPEAKER_00]: of this abyss and it's like super

[01:55:29] [SPEAKER_00]: sad and poignant and then of course like later

[01:55:31] [SPEAKER_00]: on dine has just like existed

[01:55:34] [SPEAKER_00]: for years and years in this

[01:55:35] [SPEAKER_00]: in this world in this version

[01:55:37] [SPEAKER_00]: of final fantasy seven just being like a

[01:55:39] [SPEAKER_00]: mercenary or just being like crazy

[01:55:42] [SPEAKER_00]: unhinged and uh finally

[01:55:43] [SPEAKER_00]: he's re confronted with with barrett

[01:55:45] [SPEAKER_00]: and that's just that was such an important scene for me i felt

[01:55:47] [SPEAKER_00]: like the it was really necessary to break

[01:55:49] [SPEAKER_00]: it down because they just had such touching

[01:55:51] [SPEAKER_00]: dialogue moments before barrett realizes

[01:55:53] [SPEAKER_00]: he has to kill this guy and

[01:55:55] [SPEAKER_00]: you get his uh you get his

[01:55:57] [SPEAKER_00]: his uh gun mounted arm at the

[01:55:59] [SPEAKER_00]: end of that little quest chain and i thought that was

[01:56:01] [SPEAKER_00]: just it was so important and so cool

[01:56:03] [SPEAKER_00]: and just an example of like how they

[01:56:05] [SPEAKER_00]: really really care about the characters in this game

[01:56:08] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah that moment isn't the original

[01:56:10] [SPEAKER_02]: and they do a good job in there as well

[01:56:11] [SPEAKER_02]: um of doing it so

[01:56:14] [SPEAKER_02]: i thought the fight was a little drawn out

[01:56:15] [SPEAKER_02]: there's some weird stuff going on in the fight

[01:56:17] [SPEAKER_02]: that um like him getting like the

[01:56:19] [SPEAKER_02]: tentacle arms like that that i don't really

[01:56:22] [SPEAKER_02]: know where all that came from but overall

[01:56:24] [SPEAKER_02]: a little probably

[01:56:25] [SPEAKER_02]: four or five minutes longer than it had to be

[01:56:27] [SPEAKER_02]: but still a really emotional moment you feel for the character

[01:56:30] [SPEAKER_02]: um

[01:56:31] [SPEAKER_02]: and then you get thrown into um i think

[01:56:33] [SPEAKER_02]: the minigame after that where he's like shooting all the

[01:56:36] [SPEAKER_02]: shinra helicopters and the bikes like that's a cool little

[01:56:39] [SPEAKER_02]: um like

[01:56:40] [SPEAKER_02]: nod to the yeah

[01:56:41] [SPEAKER_02]: nod to the character so yeah

[01:56:44] [SPEAKER_02]: barrett definitely gains a lot of substance after

[01:56:46] [SPEAKER_02]: that moment and it's really done really well

[01:56:49] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah it's just any and he kind of for me

[01:56:51] [SPEAKER_00]: becomes the party leader becomes kind of

[01:56:54] [SPEAKER_00]: the core of this of this

[01:56:56] [SPEAKER_00]: party that we have here uh from that moment

[01:56:58] [SPEAKER_00]: onwards and obviously you know everything

[01:57:00] [SPEAKER_00]: happens in this game leading up to it we don't

[01:57:03] [SPEAKER_00]: necessarily need to go plot by plot but

[01:57:04] [SPEAKER_00]: like all of the reveals that we get in

[01:57:06] [SPEAKER_00]: cosmo canyon the moment where

[01:57:08] [SPEAKER_00]: they go to like the planetarium at the

[01:57:10] [SPEAKER_00]: top of it and it's just like the most

[01:57:12] [SPEAKER_00]: beautiful like

[01:57:14] [SPEAKER_00]: camera work and just like artistry

[01:57:16] [SPEAKER_00]: like i have several screenshots that i posted

[01:57:18] [SPEAKER_00]: on twitter as i was playing through this game where i was

[01:57:20] [SPEAKER_00]: like i cannot believe i'm seeing this stuff

[01:57:23] [SPEAKER_00]: right now like this is like the the resolution

[01:57:25] [SPEAKER_00]: and just kind of like the emotion that

[01:57:26] [SPEAKER_00]: they pack into that that narrative portion

[01:57:29] [SPEAKER_00]: of the game is just unreal but

[01:57:30] [SPEAKER_00]: you know we're jumping through and

[01:57:32] [SPEAKER_00]: obviously skipping over a lot but i want

[01:57:35] [SPEAKER_00]: to kind of get into the meat of what

[01:57:36] [SPEAKER_00]: we could do to start theory crafting and that's

[01:57:38] [SPEAKER_00]: the end they show up at the temple

[01:57:42] [SPEAKER_00]: and this is where they know

[01:57:44] [SPEAKER_00]: was that what you think of the temple

[01:57:47] [SPEAKER_00]: um i thought it was

[01:57:48] [SPEAKER_00]: really unnecessary and i thought that

[01:57:51] [SPEAKER_00]: like playing from different perspectives

[01:57:52] [SPEAKER_00]: and getting like split up was really annoying

[01:57:54] [SPEAKER_00]: like i again like

[01:57:56] [SPEAKER_00]: this was probably our like 90 or

[01:57:59] [SPEAKER_00]: 95 in the game and i was like please

[01:58:01] [SPEAKER_00]: just make this straightforward please just let us get

[01:58:03] [SPEAKER_00]: through it like they didn't need to make

[01:58:05] [SPEAKER_00]: it it was it was simple it was

[01:58:07] [SPEAKER_00]: simple to get through like it was very easy to

[01:58:09] [SPEAKER_00]: get through but i didn't particularly enjoy

[01:58:11] [SPEAKER_00]: it i didn't think i thought like the best

[01:58:13] [SPEAKER_00]: part of it was the moment where they get to the

[01:58:15] [SPEAKER_00]: pillars and each of them have to go into their

[01:58:17] [SPEAKER_00]: separate section of like

[01:58:19] [SPEAKER_00]: this area there's like a little like a gray like

[01:58:22] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah that their own individual trials and it's like

[01:58:25] [SPEAKER_00]: this is the moment when you realize you have

[01:58:27] [SPEAKER_00]: the flashback with erith and you see what happens

[01:58:29] [SPEAKER_00]: between her and her mom how her mom was like

[01:58:32] [SPEAKER_00]: experimented on so horrifically by hojo that she tries

[01:58:35] [SPEAKER_00]: to escape and like but the damage is too far

[01:58:38] [SPEAKER_00]: gone and she dies in the street

[01:58:39] [SPEAKER_00]: and it's erith like trying to ask

[01:58:41] [SPEAKER_00]: strangers for help like so like so in the

[01:58:43] [SPEAKER_02]: book i mentioned earlier that's where

[01:58:45] [SPEAKER_02]: her section starts and they build a lot

[01:58:47] [SPEAKER_02]: more off of that

[01:58:49] [SPEAKER_00]: wow okay okay yeah because like for me

[01:58:51] [SPEAKER_00]: seeing this for the first time i'm

[01:58:53] [SPEAKER_00]: like oh my gosh like i care about erith

[01:58:56] [SPEAKER_00]: like i of course i talked you know

[01:58:57] [SPEAKER_00]: jokingly about how i want cloud you know i'm

[01:58:59] [SPEAKER_00]: the cloud i'm in team cloud and tifa but

[01:59:01] [SPEAKER_00]: like come on i wasn't

[01:59:04] [SPEAKER_00]: sign that paper like john yankog

[01:59:05] [SPEAKER_00]: but like

[01:59:08] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah exactly but

[01:59:09] [SPEAKER_00]: you know i

[01:59:11] [SPEAKER_00]: loved erith so much in this game because she gets

[01:59:13] [SPEAKER_00]: a lot of moments like we talked about a lot

[01:59:15] [SPEAKER_00]: about barrett how barrett is just like the stand

[01:59:17] [SPEAKER_00]: out but she gets a lot of moments and it's

[01:59:19] [SPEAKER_00]: the moments after this

[01:59:21] [SPEAKER_00]: where every one of the characters has

[01:59:23] [SPEAKER_00]: their own trials tifa is confronted with

[01:59:25] [SPEAKER_00]: the dead ghost of her former teammate

[01:59:27] [SPEAKER_00]: um you know uh

[01:59:29] [SPEAKER_00]: red 13 has to relive getting tortured by

[01:59:31] [SPEAKER_00]: hojo and it's like this moment like after

[01:59:34] [SPEAKER_00]: that where erith comes back

[01:59:36] [SPEAKER_00]: knowing she's intimately aware

[01:59:39] [SPEAKER_00]: that she's about to walk into her death

[01:59:41] [SPEAKER_00]: and she's like arguing or she's trying to like

[01:59:44] [SPEAKER_00]: give this morale boost to the entire team

[01:59:46] [SPEAKER_00]: and it's like this most beautiful eloquent

[01:59:48] [SPEAKER_00]: speech

[01:59:49] [SPEAKER_00]: and at the end of it cloud cuts her fucking down

[01:59:52] [SPEAKER_00]: and it's like all right let's move on

[01:59:54] [SPEAKER_00]: like

[01:59:56] [SPEAKER_00]: i just like first of all i was so taken

[01:59:58] [SPEAKER_00]: back and like i hit me so hard about like how

[02:00:01] [SPEAKER_00]: cruel that was that like i wanted to

[02:00:04] [SPEAKER_00]: ask you like what is going on with cloud at this moment

[02:00:07] [SPEAKER_00]: where is his head at what does this mean for his

[02:00:10] [SPEAKER_00]: character at this point in time is he more interested

[02:00:12] [SPEAKER_00]: in doing what sephiroth wants him to do

[02:00:15] [SPEAKER_00]: versus

[02:00:17] [SPEAKER_00]: actually being a like a friend to the team

[02:00:19] [SPEAKER_02]: at this point at that point yeah um

[02:00:23] [SPEAKER_02]: because we're in spoiler territory so

[02:00:25] [SPEAKER_02]: the temple is the black materia as it is

[02:00:28] [SPEAKER_02]: in the original game which we come to learn

[02:00:30] [SPEAKER_02]: and the black materias

[02:00:33] [SPEAKER_02]: like presence is like so

[02:00:36] [SPEAKER_02]: strong that it's just meant it's mentally

[02:00:38] [SPEAKER_02]: ruining cloud psyche because

[02:00:40] [SPEAKER_02]: okay sephiroth wants him to get this thing

[02:00:42] [SPEAKER_02]: for him so he can use it

[02:00:45] [SPEAKER_02]: and at that point in the game like he's

[02:00:47] [SPEAKER_02]: so close because you see it later after

[02:00:49] [SPEAKER_02]: the after you fight the final battle he

[02:00:51] [SPEAKER_02]: he's unhinged and yeah the voice actor

[02:00:54] [SPEAKER_02]: does such a good job of portraying

[02:00:56] [SPEAKER_02]: this unhinged cloud throughout the entirety

[02:00:58] [SPEAKER_02]: of the temple like he's trying to kill

[02:00:59] [SPEAKER_02]: turks he's got blood on his face he's

[02:01:02] [SPEAKER_02]: telling erith like you finished like

[02:01:03] [SPEAKER_02]: clock ticking let's go like he has his

[02:01:05] [SPEAKER_02]: own trial that drives him even more mad

[02:01:07] [SPEAKER_02]: like he's just such a does such a good

[02:01:10] [SPEAKER_02]: job but yeah at this point in the game

[02:01:11] [SPEAKER_02]: it's more sephiroth than it is cloud

[02:01:14] [SPEAKER_00]: okay because that's what i was thinking

[02:01:15] [SPEAKER_00]: i'm sorry i didn't even kind of put those

[02:01:18] [SPEAKER_00]: pieces together that the temple was the

[02:01:19] [SPEAKER_00]: black material i remember at the end

[02:01:21] [SPEAKER_00]: after the final sequence where you do

[02:01:23] [SPEAKER_00]: fight sephiroth that it implodes

[02:01:26] [SPEAKER_00]: and you know vividly i remember

[02:01:28] [SPEAKER_00]: at the end of the game you know when

[02:01:29] [SPEAKER_00]: you're this beautiful moment after

[02:01:32] [SPEAKER_00]: after the entire fight with sephiroth

[02:01:34] [SPEAKER_00]: after erith you think she gets saved

[02:01:36] [SPEAKER_00]: but then she gets killed and then

[02:01:39] [SPEAKER_00]: like cloud goes into this alternate

[02:01:41] [SPEAKER_00]: reality in order to fight sephiroth

[02:01:42] [SPEAKER_00]: again and then erith comes out of

[02:01:44] [SPEAKER_00]: like the light the live stream to fight

[02:01:46] [SPEAKER_00]: alongside like her spirit or whatever

[02:01:48] [SPEAKER_00]: fighting alongside you know cloud

[02:01:52] [SPEAKER_00]: or like the question that i'm having

[02:01:53] [SPEAKER_00]: in my mind is she just a manifestation of

[02:01:55] [SPEAKER_00]: clouds consciousness at this point like

[02:01:57] [SPEAKER_00]: is she even real after after all that

[02:01:59] [SPEAKER_02]: happens yeah yeah she's not she's

[02:02:03] [SPEAKER_02]: dead like she's dead okay she's

[02:02:06] [SPEAKER_02]: definitely gone um i think

[02:02:08] [SPEAKER_02]: because in the it couldn't portray

[02:02:11] [SPEAKER_02]: in the original game but like it

[02:02:13] [SPEAKER_02]: just you have to keep her around one

[02:02:15] [SPEAKER_02]: she is a voice actor to its

[02:02:17] [SPEAKER_02]: you're not gonna leave erith out of part 3

[02:02:19] [SPEAKER_02]: that's what they're not going to do that

[02:02:20] [SPEAKER_02]: right but in that last little cut scene

[02:02:24] [SPEAKER_02]: like she doesn't have any speaking lines

[02:02:26] [SPEAKER_02]: like no one really can sense that she's there

[02:02:29] [SPEAKER_02]: like tifa still destroyed red still

[02:02:31] [SPEAKER_02]: destroyed like everyone's just

[02:02:33] [SPEAKER_02]: all everyone but clouds like the

[02:02:36] [SPEAKER_00]: straw like that she died and then he

[02:02:38] [SPEAKER_00]: he puts the black material inside of

[02:02:41] [SPEAKER_00]: the buster sword that's what i'm

[02:02:42] [SPEAKER_00]: trying to figure out like what is going on

[02:02:44] [SPEAKER_00]: with that like why is he because he's hiding

[02:02:46] [SPEAKER_00]: the black material and then there's this whole

[02:02:48] [SPEAKER_00]: thing about the clear materia in the

[02:02:50] [SPEAKER_00]: world that they've been in the entire time

[02:02:52] [SPEAKER_00]: not working correctly or it being empty

[02:02:54] [SPEAKER_00]: and it's supposed to be like the white

[02:02:55] [SPEAKER_00]: material to combat though the black

[02:02:57] [SPEAKER_00]: material and i'm assuming that like

[02:03:00] [SPEAKER_00]: the third entry go ahead sorry

[02:03:02] [SPEAKER_02]: so yeah the white material holy was

[02:03:04] [SPEAKER_02]: depleted by the whispers and remake

[02:03:06] [SPEAKER_02]: holy's the counter to the black

[02:03:09] [SPEAKER_02]: material um they had to go get a

[02:03:11] [SPEAKER_02]: new one in the in zaks timeline

[02:03:14] [SPEAKER_02]: but because they had to do that zaks

[02:03:17] [SPEAKER_02]: timeline is now you get destroyed by

[02:03:18] [SPEAKER_02]: meteor because there's nothing to

[02:03:19] [SPEAKER_02]: counteract it so that explains that

[02:03:21] [SPEAKER_02]: like bunny hopping through realities

[02:03:24] [SPEAKER_02]: um

[02:03:26] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah so him putting the black

[02:03:27] [SPEAKER_02]: material in the sword one he's going to be

[02:03:29] [SPEAKER_02]: absolutely correct at the beginning of

[02:03:31] [SPEAKER_02]: part three he's going to be doing like

[02:03:32] [SPEAKER_02]: right he's gonna be on stop unstoppable

[02:03:34] [SPEAKER_02]: his combat's gonna be crazy but

[02:03:37] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah sephiroth

[02:03:40] [SPEAKER_02]: are you you know that like the

[02:03:41] [SPEAKER_02]: the sephiroth that has appeared it's not

[02:03:43] [SPEAKER_02]: actually him right like it's not like the

[02:03:45] [SPEAKER_00]: real him the sephiroth of that has been

[02:03:47] [SPEAKER_00]: appearing the entire time i have a

[02:03:49] [SPEAKER_00]: suspicion i had a suspicion that that he

[02:03:52] [SPEAKER_00]: was never actually there because

[02:03:54] [SPEAKER_00]: every time you fight him he kind of

[02:03:55] [SPEAKER_00]: just fades off into nothingness and it

[02:03:57] [SPEAKER_00]: was just kind of like a trial so yeah

[02:03:59] [SPEAKER_02]: the sephiroth that we keep seeing can't

[02:04:02] [SPEAKER_02]: physically get the black material

[02:04:04] [SPEAKER_02]: so he needs he needs cloud to bring

[02:04:06] [SPEAKER_02]: it to wherever he's at and that's what

[02:04:08] [SPEAKER_02]: cloud right gonna do because like when

[02:04:11] [SPEAKER_02]: cloud had the black material he was

[02:04:12] [SPEAKER_02]: losing his he's losing mind like he

[02:04:13] [SPEAKER_02]: could not yeah could not get it together

[02:04:15] [SPEAKER_02]: and like when sephiroth appeared he

[02:04:17] [SPEAKER_02]: just would willingly bring it to him and

[02:04:19] [SPEAKER_02]: like was willing to kill erith and shove

[02:04:21] [SPEAKER_02]: teeth off of them like he's when sephiroth

[02:04:24] [SPEAKER_02]: around he can't he loses grip and

[02:04:27] [SPEAKER_02]: again it's portrayed so well but

[02:04:29] [SPEAKER_02]: that's what's kind of going on and

[02:04:32] [SPEAKER_02]: now we have now we have a white

[02:04:33] [SPEAKER_02]: materia or had a white materia that

[02:04:36] [SPEAKER_02]: worked that's why erith was praying

[02:04:37] [SPEAKER_02]: with it and now she's gone the

[02:04:39] [SPEAKER_02]: question is did the prayer reach the

[02:04:41] [SPEAKER_02]: planet or are we just all doomed for

[02:04:44] [SPEAKER_02]: the same fate that zax world was doing

[02:04:45] [SPEAKER_00]: for yeah which I think is get a really

[02:04:48] [SPEAKER_00]: interesting place kind of started off

[02:04:50] [SPEAKER_00]: because there was a moment where the

[02:04:52] [SPEAKER_00]: white materia fell out of her hair

[02:04:54] [SPEAKER_00]: after sephiroth cut her down and were

[02:04:56] [SPEAKER_00]: unclear as to like what actually

[02:04:58] [SPEAKER_00]: happened to that the only thing that

[02:05:00] [SPEAKER_00]: we do know for sure is that cloud has

[02:05:02] [SPEAKER_00]: the black material at the very end and

[02:05:03] [SPEAKER_00]: you see that final beautifully rendered

[02:05:05] [SPEAKER_00]: cutscene where he's shoving it into

[02:05:06] [SPEAKER_00]: the buster sword which is just

[02:05:08] [SPEAKER_00]: insanely insanely interesting but

[02:05:10] [SPEAKER_00]: like something that is interesting that

[02:05:12] [SPEAKER_00]: you don't understand yet as an audience

[02:05:14] [SPEAKER_00]: member this is also future spoilers but

[02:05:17] [SPEAKER_00]: it's also for people who play the

[02:05:18] [SPEAKER_00]: original Final Fantasy 7 realize and

[02:05:21] [SPEAKER_00]: this is something that I kind of wanted

[02:05:22] [SPEAKER_00]: to talk with you in terms of theory

[02:05:24] [SPEAKER_00]: crafting is that cloud alluded to

[02:05:26] [SPEAKER_00]: before is the same way he's the same

[02:05:30] [SPEAKER_00]: thing that sephiroth is except he is

[02:05:33] [SPEAKER_00]: a artificially created human that had

[02:05:36] [SPEAKER_00]: zack fairs consciousness put into his

[02:05:39] [SPEAKER_00]: body is that right so clouds are real

[02:05:41] [SPEAKER_02]: person like he he was he is he was a

[02:05:45] [SPEAKER_02]: kid the same way Tifa was he's a kid

[02:05:47] [SPEAKER_02]: the same way they like all the stuff

[02:05:49] [SPEAKER_02]: that happened in evil time like they

[02:05:51] [SPEAKER_02]: did grow up together that did happen

[02:05:53] [SPEAKER_02]: oh okay he like he's a he's a grunt

[02:05:56] [SPEAKER_02]: in crisis core that never made

[02:05:58] [SPEAKER_02]: soldier so that's the first he tries

[02:06:00] [SPEAKER_02]: to get in but doesn't make it like

[02:06:02] [SPEAKER_02]: that isn't cut out for so he's forced to

[02:06:04] [SPEAKER_02]: be a grunt he goes on he goes to zack

[02:06:07] [SPEAKER_02]: on these missions and in nebelheim

[02:06:10] [SPEAKER_02]: like zacks in the place of cloud

[02:06:13] [SPEAKER_02]: obviously because cloud didn't do those

[02:06:15] [SPEAKER_02]: things like Tifa knows cloud didn't do

[02:06:17] [SPEAKER_02]: those things but so he throws sephiroth

[02:06:20] [SPEAKER_02]: into the live stream but is like wounded

[02:06:23] [SPEAKER_02]: in the process so he is like the one

[02:06:26] [SPEAKER_02]: successful sephiroth clone that hojo

[02:06:28] [SPEAKER_02]: creates he's like the only one because

[02:06:30] [SPEAKER_02]: he doesn't agree and he wasn't turned to a

[02:06:31] [SPEAKER_02]: monster so he is so yeah when zacks

[02:06:35] [SPEAKER_02]: dragging him out and when zacks dragging

[02:06:39] [SPEAKER_02]: him out like trying to care for him and

[02:06:40] [SPEAKER_02]: all that and in crisis core when he does

[02:06:42] [SPEAKER_02]: wake up and zack dies like the him

[02:06:45] [SPEAKER_02]: like having a maca infused brain with

[02:06:47] [SPEAKER_02]: the trauma of his town burning down

[02:06:49] [SPEAKER_02]: with the trauma of zack dying right

[02:06:51] [SPEAKER_02]: in front of them with the trauma

[02:06:53] [SPEAKER_02]: of being comatose all kind of like

[02:06:55] [SPEAKER_02]: meshes into this fake reality where

[02:06:57] [SPEAKER_02]: he was zack and did all the zack stuff

[02:07:01] [SPEAKER_00]: interesting okay because I I have

[02:07:03] [SPEAKER_02]: sephiroth knows that and that's why he's

[02:07:05] [SPEAKER_02]: able to fuck with them

[02:07:07] [SPEAKER_00]: okay okay so that's that's so interesting

[02:07:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't realize it was like the result

[02:07:11] [SPEAKER_00]: of his trauma I had assumed that he

[02:07:12] [SPEAKER_00]: was just a an artificial being that

[02:07:15] [SPEAKER_00]: hojo made that he deemed

[02:07:18] [SPEAKER_00]: unsuccessful but because of like

[02:07:20] [SPEAKER_00]: clouds exposure to the maca

[02:07:22] [SPEAKER_00]: that he you know was able to that

[02:07:25] [SPEAKER_00]: he was able to live on it actually

[02:07:27] [SPEAKER_00]: be successful but something that I'm

[02:07:29] [SPEAKER_00]: curious about is that all of the moments

[02:07:30] [SPEAKER_00]: of like mental like mind lapsed like

[02:07:33] [SPEAKER_00]: the his mental lapses

[02:07:34] [SPEAKER_00]: in the schisms that he experiences

[02:07:36] [SPEAKER_00]: like the physical pain that he's experiencing

[02:07:38] [SPEAKER_00]: is that a result of him degrading

[02:07:41] [SPEAKER_00]: as a clone or is that a result

[02:07:43] [SPEAKER_00]: of just the life stream slash

[02:07:46] [SPEAKER_00]: sephiroth messing with

[02:07:47] [SPEAKER_00]: him because he's trying to

[02:07:49] [SPEAKER_00]: essentially corrupt cloud into just being

[02:07:51] [SPEAKER_02]: his puppet so it's funny do you remember

[02:07:53] [SPEAKER_02]: in the very beginning of the flashback

[02:07:54] [SPEAKER_02]: like when sephiroth is looking out

[02:07:56] [SPEAKER_02]: the window and cloud ask him

[02:07:59] [SPEAKER_02]: what's wrong and he puts his hand on his head like this

[02:08:01] [SPEAKER_02]: and he's like this landscape I've seen it before

[02:08:02] [SPEAKER_02]: like do you remember that yeah sephiroth

[02:08:05] [SPEAKER_02]: in that moment has a schism

[02:08:06] [SPEAKER_02]: that cloud has wow

[02:08:08] [SPEAKER_02]: so it's it's like

[02:08:10] [SPEAKER_02]: this genova headache this genova pain of like

[02:08:14] [SPEAKER_02]: it's genova's

[02:08:15] [SPEAKER_02]: will basically pulling you

[02:08:16] [SPEAKER_02]: towards her so sephiroth that that's that's

[02:08:18] [SPEAKER_02]: the beginning of sephiroth recognizing

[02:08:20] [SPEAKER_02]: what he is in the same way that cloud

[02:08:23] [SPEAKER_02]: is now beginning to realize what's

[02:08:25] [SPEAKER_02]: happened to him and what he is so

[02:08:27] [SPEAKER_02]: those those schisms

[02:08:29] [SPEAKER_02]: have sephiroth hasn't had them too

[02:08:31] [SPEAKER_02]: he has them in um if you watch the last

[02:08:33] [SPEAKER_02]: the last chapter of ever crisis

[02:08:35] [SPEAKER_02]: in the sephiroth story

[02:08:36] [SPEAKER_02]: he has one he has it he has a schism

[02:08:39] [SPEAKER_02]: of like because everyone's like lauding him as this hero

[02:08:40] [SPEAKER_02]: and he has a schism that has like

[02:08:42] [SPEAKER_02]: is foretelling his demise and like what he actually

[02:08:45] [SPEAKER_02]: is so these like

[02:08:47] [SPEAKER_02]: genova schisms are just like ways

[02:08:49] [SPEAKER_02]: of

[02:08:50] [SPEAKER_02]: genova like manipulating you

[02:08:51] [SPEAKER_02]: and pulling you into her trap

[02:08:54] [SPEAKER_02]: and making you do her bidding

[02:08:55] [SPEAKER_02]: and that's what the black materia thing

[02:08:57] [SPEAKER_02]: is like clouds holding the black material

[02:08:59] [SPEAKER_02]: he has a schism okay I gotta bring the black

[02:09:01] [SPEAKER_02]: material to genova or bring the sephiroth

[02:09:03] [SPEAKER_02]: or whoever so then he puts it in the sword and off he goes

[02:09:05] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah okay

[02:09:07] [SPEAKER_00]: that's that's starting to add up

[02:09:09] [SPEAKER_00]: that's starting to make a lot more sense to me now because

[02:09:11] [SPEAKER_00]: like you know I've had other people tell

[02:09:13] [SPEAKER_00]: me that like cloud

[02:09:15] [SPEAKER_00]: isn't actually real that he

[02:09:17] [SPEAKER_00]: he's basically just a shell of a human being

[02:09:19] [SPEAKER_02]: so it's funny

[02:09:20] [SPEAKER_02]: the cloud being like artificially created

[02:09:23] [SPEAKER_02]: like

[02:09:24] [SPEAKER_02]: we're gonna go back to the nebelheim flashback multiple times in part 3

[02:09:27] [SPEAKER_02]: and that's one of the conclusions

[02:09:29] [SPEAKER_02]: that is drawn

[02:09:30] [SPEAKER_02]: by a character okay so

[02:09:34] [SPEAKER_00]: interesting okay

[02:09:35] [SPEAKER_00]: so yeah you have that

[02:09:37] [SPEAKER_00]: that moment there and obviously

[02:09:39] [SPEAKER_00]: what's impactful there

[02:09:41] [SPEAKER_00]: um I'm curious as

[02:09:43] [SPEAKER_00]: to like what happens because

[02:09:45] [SPEAKER_00]: because there's a there's a moment in the game obviously

[02:09:47] [SPEAKER_00]: and I'm curious into your interpretation

[02:09:49] [SPEAKER_00]: because we fight this is very

[02:09:51] [SPEAKER_00]: significant that I think that

[02:09:52] [SPEAKER_00]: a lot of people may have like either glossed over

[02:09:55] [SPEAKER_00]: or missed is that like at every

[02:09:57] [SPEAKER_00]: moment that you have

[02:09:59] [SPEAKER_00]: a confrontation with sephiroth

[02:10:00] [SPEAKER_00]: you're having a confrontation with

[02:10:03] [SPEAKER_00]: genova like in remake you have

[02:10:05] [SPEAKER_00]: like essentially the mind flayer genova

[02:10:07] [SPEAKER_00]: that you're fighting against and it's one of the

[02:10:09] [SPEAKER_00]: it's a manifestation of genova

[02:10:11] [SPEAKER_00]: that you have to like battle

[02:10:12] [SPEAKER_00]: there's no like there's no conversation

[02:10:14] [SPEAKER_00]: about it being there you literally just fight it

[02:10:16] [SPEAKER_00]: like there are people that talk about

[02:10:18] [SPEAKER_00]: genova outside of these moments but very

[02:10:20] [SPEAKER_00]: very few and far between but you're fighting

[02:10:22] [SPEAKER_00]: her again or manifestations

[02:10:24] [SPEAKER_00]: or

[02:10:25] [SPEAKER_00]: like corporeal manifestations of like

[02:10:28] [SPEAKER_00]: genova

[02:10:30] [SPEAKER_00]: in this final moment

[02:10:32] [SPEAKER_00]: after you know essentially you

[02:10:34] [SPEAKER_00]: get through a couple of rounds with sephiroth and then

[02:10:36] [SPEAKER_00]: sephiroth kind of like merges with her

[02:10:38] [SPEAKER_00]: this version of sephiroth that you're fighting

[02:10:40] [SPEAKER_00]: merges with her and that's you know becomes

[02:10:42] [SPEAKER_00]: the big thing and there's a moment

[02:10:44] [SPEAKER_00]: where zack

[02:10:46] [SPEAKER_00]: comes to back up cloud

[02:10:48] [SPEAKER_00]: and you have a fight with cloud

[02:10:50] [SPEAKER_00]: in zack against a genova

[02:10:52] [SPEAKER_00]: infused sephiroth which is again

[02:10:54] [SPEAKER_00]: we talk about moments of just

[02:10:56] [SPEAKER_00]: jrpg hype i was losing

[02:10:58] [SPEAKER_00]: my fucking mind when zack

[02:11:00] [SPEAKER_00]: fair stepped out of that like live stream

[02:11:02] [SPEAKER_02]: think that part three thing and they

[02:11:04] [SPEAKER_02]: just did in part yeah yeah

[02:11:06] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah they just they just did it here and i was like

[02:11:08] [SPEAKER_00]: there's no fucking way that this is happening

[02:11:10] [SPEAKER_00]: right now there's no way that they're doing this

[02:11:12] [SPEAKER_00]: to me also the synergy did you

[02:11:14] [SPEAKER_00]: did you get to do a synergy skill for two of them

[02:11:15] [SPEAKER_02]: it's crazy oh my god

[02:11:18] [SPEAKER_00]: it's yeah anybody

[02:11:20] [SPEAKER_00]: who's like listening to this if you either

[02:11:22] [SPEAKER_00]: didn't do it or maybe you haven't like

[02:11:24] [SPEAKER_00]: seen this part just look that up that

[02:11:26] [SPEAKER_00]: that fight as somebody who's like

[02:11:28] [SPEAKER_00]: maybe maximillion dude who's doing something like really

[02:11:30] [SPEAKER_00]: really cool with the two of them because they have

[02:11:31] [SPEAKER_00]: because you don't ever fight with them together the entire

[02:11:34] [SPEAKER_00]: game so you don't necessarily have

[02:11:36] [SPEAKER_02]: their there's their battle zack in that fight

[02:11:38] [SPEAKER_02]: you literally get the tutorial

[02:11:39] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah

[02:11:41] [SPEAKER_00]: which is insane we're talking about

[02:11:44] [SPEAKER_00]: the last like hour and a half of a game

[02:11:45] [SPEAKER_00]: not even our half less 30 minutes of a game

[02:11:47] [SPEAKER_00]: getting tutorial on how to play a character

[02:11:49] [SPEAKER_00]: that i imagine that you're going to play

[02:11:52] [SPEAKER_00]: as more

[02:11:53] [SPEAKER_00]: and now that we have zack here or

[02:11:55] [SPEAKER_00]: before we move on to zack i know and i

[02:11:58] [SPEAKER_00]: know i'm going a little bit long but feel free

[02:11:59] [SPEAKER_00]: to push me in whatever direction but like

[02:12:02] [SPEAKER_00]: talking about the jenova

[02:12:03] [SPEAKER_00]: what do you think is significant

[02:12:05] [SPEAKER_00]: about her being there

[02:12:07] [SPEAKER_00]: every time cloud

[02:12:09] [SPEAKER_00]: fights sephiroth other than the fact that like

[02:12:11] [SPEAKER_00]: sephiroth is just hanging out with her in

[02:12:13] [SPEAKER_00]: some weird region of gaya

[02:12:15] [SPEAKER_02]: so her body is dismembered

[02:12:18] [SPEAKER_02]: um

[02:12:19] [SPEAKER_02]: so like sephiroth's like holding a piece for

[02:12:21] [SPEAKER_02]: arm on coast of del sol and that's like

[02:12:23] [SPEAKER_02]: when it merges with the

[02:12:25] [SPEAKER_02]: reunion rogue people it's able to create

[02:12:27] [SPEAKER_02]: the monstrosities that you see so

[02:12:29] [SPEAKER_02]: i see okay

[02:12:31] [SPEAKER_02]: uh it's weird so

[02:12:33] [SPEAKER_02]: sephiroth isn't so much like

[02:12:36] [SPEAKER_02]: manipulated by jenova

[02:12:39] [SPEAKER_02]: i think sephiroth's like ascended beyond that

[02:12:40] [SPEAKER_02]: where he's going to be able to manipulate jenova to do what

[02:12:43] [SPEAKER_02]: he wants because he's so powerful but

[02:12:45] [SPEAKER_02]: wow

[02:12:46] [SPEAKER_02]: jenova is not an ancient jenova like

[02:12:49] [SPEAKER_02]: killed all the ancients way back when she got

[02:12:51] [SPEAKER_02]: trapped um

[02:12:52] [SPEAKER_02]: then shinra discovered shinra

[02:12:54] [SPEAKER_02]: for some unforeseen reason

[02:12:57] [SPEAKER_02]: extracted her out of a rock layer

[02:12:58] [SPEAKER_02]: did experiments with her and

[02:13:01] [SPEAKER_02]: they are creating the monsters

[02:13:02] [SPEAKER_02]: that the world sees today

[02:13:04] [SPEAKER_02]: and yeah

[02:13:06] [SPEAKER_02]: i don't really have much

[02:13:08] [SPEAKER_02]: good insight on it because there's a lot of it's going to be in part 3 but

[02:13:11] [SPEAKER_02]: uh

[02:13:13] [SPEAKER_02]: it's gonna be

[02:13:14] [SPEAKER_02]: interesting like jenova is eventually gonna

[02:13:17] [SPEAKER_02]: be a more prominent character

[02:13:19] [SPEAKER_02]: like as a whole

[02:13:21] [SPEAKER_02]: instead of like these

[02:13:22] [SPEAKER_02]: you know jenova life clinger these like jenova

[02:13:25] [SPEAKER_02]: emergent monsters that we see

[02:13:27] [SPEAKER_02]: or like these it's gonna be much more

[02:13:29] [SPEAKER_02]: of like a humanoid person eventually

[02:13:32] [SPEAKER_00]: okay interesting

[02:13:33] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah i think that that's that's fascinating

[02:13:35] [SPEAKER_00]: there um and that

[02:13:37] [SPEAKER_00]: definitely perfectly segues us into

[02:13:39] [SPEAKER_00]: what's happening with

[02:13:41] [SPEAKER_00]: zack in this alternate dimension because you

[02:13:43] [SPEAKER_00]: get moments with zack and then you get

[02:13:45] [SPEAKER_00]: moments with uh wedge if i'm not

[02:13:47] [SPEAKER_00]: mistaken where wedge like shows up and he

[02:13:49] [SPEAKER_00]: realizes something is wrong

[02:13:51] [SPEAKER_00]: like he realizes that he actually died

[02:13:53] [SPEAKER_00]: in the primary timeline

[02:13:55] [SPEAKER_00]: that we play as excuse me

[02:13:57] [SPEAKER_00]: yes bigs right right and then so like

[02:13:59] [SPEAKER_00]: bigs is showing up and he's actually having a conversation

[02:14:01] [SPEAKER_00]: with zack and this

[02:14:03] [SPEAKER_00]: is the moment where he kind of like he's responsible

[02:14:05] [SPEAKER_00]: for convincing zack to like

[02:14:06] [SPEAKER_00]: get out of elmyra's house and like go

[02:14:09] [SPEAKER_00]: there and do something and that's what eventually

[02:14:11] [SPEAKER_00]: leads zack to crossing over into

[02:14:13] [SPEAKER_00]: the threshold with um

[02:14:15] [SPEAKER_00]: with cloud in his company

[02:14:17] [SPEAKER_00]: uh but like is there

[02:14:19] [SPEAKER_00]: like any significance to like

[02:14:21] [SPEAKER_00]: what zack is doing in that

[02:14:23] [SPEAKER_00]: alternate reality like it what how does that

[02:14:25] [SPEAKER_00]: play into the main timeline you think

[02:14:28] [SPEAKER_02]: so zack's world

[02:14:29] [SPEAKER_02]: is destroyed at the end

[02:14:31] [SPEAKER_02]: of the game but zack is able to

[02:14:33] [SPEAKER_02]: okay i think zack's in our

[02:14:35] [SPEAKER_02]: timeline at the end of the game that's just my personal

[02:14:37] [SPEAKER_02]: take because there's nowhere else for him to go because stuff

[02:14:39] [SPEAKER_02]: roth even says like there's countless worlds out there some die quick

[02:14:42] [SPEAKER_02]: some die some take forever to die but

[02:14:45] [SPEAKER_02]: they all eventually die like

[02:14:46] [SPEAKER_02]: so i'm gonna just merge them all into one

[02:14:50] [SPEAKER_02]: and rule over it forever like because he says in

[02:14:52] [SPEAKER_02]: at the temple like eric says like there's

[02:14:55] [SPEAKER_02]: no such thing as forever and he goes like oh there's

[02:14:57] [SPEAKER_02]: gonna be like i'm gonna create it

[02:14:58] [SPEAKER_02]: and for some reason that's not the way it's

[02:15:00] [SPEAKER_02]: supposed to be because like the beauty

[02:15:02] [SPEAKER_02]: of life is death and

[02:15:04] [SPEAKER_02]: all things need to come to an end and sephoroth

[02:15:07] [SPEAKER_02]: wants to live forever um and he already

[02:15:09] [SPEAKER_02]: has knowledge that he fails once so now

[02:15:11] [SPEAKER_02]: he's gonna try to do it again

[02:15:12] [SPEAKER_02]: in a different way but yeah

[02:15:15] [SPEAKER_02]: with zack anyway

[02:15:18] [SPEAKER_02]: the significance is that um every

[02:15:20] [SPEAKER_02]: choice he makes like creates a new timeline

[02:15:22] [SPEAKER_02]: so like when he chooses to go um oh

[02:15:25] [SPEAKER_02]: so like when so every so every choice

[02:15:27] [SPEAKER_02]: he made so when he's in the motorcycle and

[02:15:29] [SPEAKER_02]: he's choosing between everything cloud and he

[02:15:31] [SPEAKER_02]: i think he chooses um cloud in that

[02:15:33] [SPEAKER_02]: moment he like dry he chooses to drive off

[02:15:35] [SPEAKER_02]: and then the the other lane that he

[02:15:37] [SPEAKER_02]: didn't drive to there's a white like light

[02:15:39] [SPEAKER_02]: that pops out of it new timeline yeah like

[02:15:42] [SPEAKER_02]: when bigs gets shot in the head and the

[02:15:44] [SPEAKER_02]: shinner troopers rush him at the reactor

[02:15:46] [SPEAKER_02]: and he's able to escape new timeline

[02:15:48] [SPEAKER_02]: like he's just like yeah he's essentially

[02:15:50] [SPEAKER_02]: like the timeline hopper at that point and

[02:15:53] [SPEAKER_00]: so he's the anchor being that's causing

[02:15:55] [SPEAKER_00]: the split in the sacred timeline yeah

[02:15:57] [SPEAKER_02]: he's like ruining he's ruining everything

[02:15:59] [SPEAKER_02]: he's ruining everything and that's why

[02:16:01] [SPEAKER_02]: i think he's in our timeline now and

[02:16:03] [SPEAKER_02]: he's eventually going to be with our party

[02:16:05] [SPEAKER_02]: and like sephoroth doesn't seem to

[02:16:07] [SPEAKER_02]: realize it because

[02:16:09] [SPEAKER_02]: zack being alive was not something he

[02:16:10] [SPEAKER_02]: had to account for the first time but

[02:16:12] [SPEAKER_02]: now that he is yeah he's gonna play

[02:16:15] [SPEAKER_02]: some kind of some kind of foil and

[02:16:16] [SPEAKER_02]: sephoroth plans and he's gonna

[02:16:19] [SPEAKER_02]: play a major role in part three i mean

[02:16:20] [SPEAKER_02]: they don't keep them for this long

[02:16:22] [SPEAKER_02]: unless he's going to definitely