That Green Parrot | The Big Deal

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Steve, before we start, I want to ask you something. So there was a game that they showed

[00:00:06] [SPEAKER_02]: what like two years ago could even be last year at Summer Games Fest. It was a game where like Jeff

[00:00:13] [SPEAKER_02]: remember Jeff described it as Pokemon with guns? Remember that and then they showed the trailer

[00:00:18] [SPEAKER_02]: and it looked like to be exactly that. Whatever happened to that game? Do you know? Because

[00:00:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not even sure if that came out or not.

[00:00:27] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think they changed the name to Peter and the Gunosaurus and then they never

[00:00:33] [SPEAKER_02]: did anything after that. Hmm yeah, name change and then you know at that point in development

[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_02]: is always interesting. Yeah, if you guys know what game we're talking about this Pokemon with guns,

[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_02]: be a pal and tell us in the comments. Let's start the show.

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Hello, party people. It's your boy Dre. Hello, party person. It's my boy Steve. How about that?

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Did I do it right? Sure, you sure did Andre. That was not convincing. That was not encouraging.

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Andre, you are valid. Your greeting was valid. Oh my god. Is this how they talk to each other

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_02]: on a fine time for healing? Did JD Vance's aides like coach you on that one? Like how did the

[00:01:46] [SPEAKER_02]: how could your response be that bad? All right, we got your mail back questions. Thank you so

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_02]: much for submitting so many of them. We're going to get to all of those soon enough. But first,

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_02]: we played a little thing called SVC chaos or if you want the full name SNK versus Capcom SVC chaos.

[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of people that mislabeled this as SNK versus Capcom chaos because I think they

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_02]: think the SVC say answer that, but it's actually both. It's SNK versus Capcom SVC chaos, which is

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_01]: weird, but here we are. Yeah, I'm sure that's the only reason why no one's really played this until

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_02]: a few weeks ago. Well, it only came out here on Xbox. That was like only US release and it's

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_02]: why did you do that? So I guess no one's going to play that. You mean you didn't?

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't have an original Xbox. So no, it would have come out on Pia have to have come out on PS2

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_02]: or cube and Sony was still in asshole mode about 2D games if you remember. So they probably said no

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_01]: in the US. You mean you didn't go to the back of EGM and their import section and be

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_01]: can go one SVC chaos, please? You know, I got to be real. I don't even know if it came out on other

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_01]: systems. Even in Japan, it probably did. It has to be the PlayStation 2 version over there. Okay,

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_02]: what do you think? What do you think? I'm going to look it up right now. What do you think?

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Did it come out on PS2 in Japan? Yes. Okay, hold please. Steve is correct. Reading from Wiki

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_02]: directly was then later ported to PlayStation 2 and Xbox, although only the Xbox part was

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_02]: released in North America and both platforms were released in Japan and PAL region. So only we did

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_02]: not get it on PS2 Europe and Japan did. Motherfuckers Wow. Yeah, that sounds early 2000s about.

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, fucking Sony man. Jesus Christ. They were so I am not even going to get into it now.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about SVC chaos because the circumstances of which this game was developed

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_02]: and released is super interesting. So in case you don't know, I'll just try to go through the facts

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_02]: here as quickly as I can and succinctly as I can. I can never say that. Succinctly.

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_02]: You have trouble with that one? Sometimes. But you did okay just now. Give me a succinct.

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Succinct. Well, you just heard me say it, okay cheater? Geez. Okay, we'll try again later.

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I'll hit you with it in a few episodes. Okay, so here's what happened with S&K vs. Capcom SVC chaos.

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_02]: As we will know, in the late 90s, Capcom and S&K entered a partnership where they would do a number

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_02]: of crossovers and the first of those crossovers were on Neo Geo Pocket in the form of the card

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_02]: game S&K vs. Capcom Cardfighters Clash and the fighting game S&K vs. Capcom, the match of

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_02]: the millennium. I always thought that was a great title and you know, those were cool, right? But

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_02]: those were also just handheld games, right? The thing people really wanted was the real deal

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_02]: arcade game specifically the one from Capcom. And that did come out finally in the fall of 2000

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_02]: with Capcom vs. S&K and was followed up in 2001 with Capcom vs. S&K 2. Steve, did you

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_02]: look I know you were a Nintendo man, did you get to play these? Did you have to wait until the Game

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Cube Capcom vs. S&K 2? No, the real Capcom vs. S&K 2 was in a number of places. I get to play that

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_01]: one a bunch and I still want that to come out in the future and all this stuff leads me to believe

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_02]: that we will soon enough. But oh yeah, all the evidence. I mean, shit, the fact that this

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_02]: game exists, right, is good enough. So the plan was that S&K would come out with their own S&K vs.

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Capcom on Neo Geo but S&K had a problem. They were going bankrupt. They were in deep, deep shit.

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_02]: The Neo Geo was 10 years old at this point which is which in arcade year Steve is like,

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_02]: it may as well be 50 years, right? I can't believe they're hanging onto that thing.

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_02]: They tried to replace it with Neo Geo 64 in 1997 and that was a humongous flop

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_02]: and Neo Geo Pocket wasn't doing that great either, right? So I'll spare you all the company

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_02]: acquisition stuff but suffice it to say they were operating under extreme duress in the early

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_02]: 2000s and their game suffered for it. And you could argue none suffered greater than S&K

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_02]: vs. Capcom, SVC Chaos. The very, very late Neo Geo answer to Capcom vs. S&K. It came out in 2003.

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't well received and outside of a port for Xbox would you just talked about

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_02]: people forgot about it immediately Steve? Do you remember this game coming out?

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember this game coming out. I remember reading it. I played this game

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_01]: before this port once where again play and trade I'm just going to keep bringing that

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_01]: defunct store up on the show. They had one Neo Geo in the corner and one of the guys big gets was

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_01]: when they stuck Garot Mark of the Wolves and this in there and Lord help me if I love Garot

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_01]: but it feels like a much more advanced game than this. 2003 feels late.

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah dude to be doing something like this but again under the circumstances that they were in at that

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_02]: time it's only understandable that it came out this way. But hey this game came back to us a few

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_02]: weeks ago for better or worse because at Evo this year S&K just shadow dropped it. That Saturday

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_02]: here's SVC chaos. Everyone go play it. Here it is guys online play all the other modern amenities.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay I just appreciate how there was like a whole day where there was no SVC chaos at Evo.

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And then they made the announcement is like what are you guys talking about? It's part of our

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_02]: booth that's right here. See come play it. Yeah like it was there the whole time. What do

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_02]: you guys didn't see this yesterday? What that's kind of a boss move huh? It is to their credit.

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_02]: That is cool and they put out the standees. Vin even told me that they changed the like

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_02]: the sizzle reel that they had at their booth to then include this SVC chaos. Okay that's

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_02]: some dedication. Yeah so they made two different sizzle reels because before all they had was

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_02]: city of the wolves and like some Kof 15 stuff right like vise and mature or whatever. Of

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_02]: course they did. Yeah but like yeah they changed their sizzle reel Steve they were that is dedication

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_02]: to the shadow drop. That is that's excellent but before we get going on the game proper

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to note that it's interesting that SVC chaos's reputation did not improve over time

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_02]: because you know how it is out there Steve if there's any game that people don't like people

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_02]: will find a way to like it whether it's justly or unjustly underrated people will find something

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_02]: right. There's people out here in these streets aka Twitter even trying to rehabilitate Sonic 2006

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_02]: of which we will not let them do that right but people are trying right nobody has ever tried

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_01]: with SVC chaos ever. Yeah like I said this is my first time properly playing this game and

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe it's because of all the other shitty games I played on this show I love to keep

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_01]: bringing those up on here but you know I didn't hate this game. I don't hate it either.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of liked it. I'm not going to call it my favorite fighting game in the slightest but

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_02]: this was pretty neat. It's neat but it's also bad but it's still neat it's very weird with

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_02]: this game I again I don't hate it either I don't know if I'd go as far as to say that I like it

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_02]: though so maybe you think more of this than me but I was just you know we'll get into it and

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_02]: there's no better way to start than the roster and the sprites too but we have to start with

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_02]: the picks here Steve because you go first tell me tell me what you think of the the people

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_01]: they picked for SVC chaos I mean you got the usual suspects on both sides the reuse the kens and

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_01]: everyone else they all have like the secret characters too here you just unlock them by pushing

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_01]: the one of the shoulder buttons and one of them is violent Ken on the Capcom side oh god

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_01]: they trot him out again for Ultra Street Fighter 2 on switch but god Andre they didn't even fill out

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_02]: the secret rosters right no they didn't and by the way he's more busted in Ultra Street Fighter

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_02]: 2 he's even more busted oh yeah but violent Ken I you know honestly before it's a fighting game

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah before that switch game though I kind of forgot that violent Ken was a thing

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I completely forgot about him I remembered evil Ryu but violent Ken was not on my radar

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_01]: this was never on my radar until Ultra Street Fighter like I said I only played this once so

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_01]: when I had to be told like oh violent Ken's a throwback to this game everyone hates

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_02]: oh yeah see do you think it's weird that okay so zero was in this game but they chose Mega Man

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_02]: 00 instead of Mega Man X zero because like every other game Marvel 3 Tatsunoko versus Capcom Marvel

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Capcom Infinite it's always Mega Man X zero not Mega Man 00 not only did they pick him they

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_01]: didn't really for lack of a better term SNK him at all they very much just took the GBA sprite it

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_01]: feels like it made it a little taller yeah and put a little filter on like yep zero's in the game

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_02]: it's very uncanny if they I I didn't I know you can't call it rotoscoping if it's from a

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_02]: sprite already but I feel like they just did that from the Mega Man zero games

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_02]: it just doesn't feel right it's weird and even even he has a little crappy gun little pew pew

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_01]: it's yeah but he's but he's got his fork and his saber and the other things he does

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_02]: it's and he's also busted as hell oh my god zero is just not fair in that game Jesus Christ

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_02]: zero is busted in every fighting game but in this one oh my I mean compare that to Tatsunoko

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_01]: he doesn't feel nearly as oppressive well Tatsunoko I forget it both of the I'd say even Frank was

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_02]: busted in that game oh Frank's hella busted Frank zero yeah no Frank's busted as hell in TVC

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_02]: anyway yeah go go on what do you think of that what did you think of the SNK side

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_01]: this in case I felt pretty standard you know you've got the fatal fury king of fighter picks

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_01]: but you you snuck in earthquake I mean Mars people was an interesting choice I feel like

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_01]: he's one of the hidden characters and I feel like someone really wanted to make that sprite

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like you could have made Marco and stuck him in a thing and call it a day but they didn't

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_02]: well they saved Marco for Neo Geo paddle Coliseum now I don't know if you ever played that game

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_02]: nope it's really good I love that game it it was I think it was their first fighting game

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_02]: that was not on Neo Geo I think it was on a Thomas wave because it has like 3d backgrounds

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_02]: of shit but yeah they reused Mars people for Neo Geo battle Coliseum as well because of course

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_02]: they did and also that game has Marco shit now that I think about it I feel like battle Coliseum

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_02]: it's like a 2v2 game a tag game it's not as crazy as like a Capcom versus game but it's like

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_02]: it's it's a very interesting game I think it's really cool and they did it almost feels like

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_02]: SVC chaos was like a stepping stone to that game but well until they re-release Neo Geo

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_02]: paddle Coliseum I guess you know we'll have to talk about that sometime later um you mentioned

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_02]: earthquake yeah going earthquake and ginger oh for the samurai shounen picks is appreciated as

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_02]: hell they could have just done haomaro and not kuru again right who the fuck is Charlotte

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_02]: oh my oh my root yeah good click here point to listen to our samurai showdown a podcast from

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_02]: last year um but yeah isn't that great that they didn't I mean shit they didn't even sniff like

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Ganon or Kyoshiro I feel like would have even been like a safer pick than earthquake and ginger

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_01]: oh that's awesome I mean attempts were made but uh I'm not going to say this is how video

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_01]: games are made but if you asked me Steve on the street why did they run out of money for

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_01]: SVC chaos like point out the exact moment they ran out of money I'd say it was when they were making

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_01]: guile what the fuck is wrong with guile in this game because at a glance he looks fine

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_01]: but the more you look at him the more he's wrong he feels he he looks like guile is now

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_02]: being played by the role of so-and-so he looks just like a different guy just putting a like

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_02]: trying to do his best guile it's you know what it is it's the hair yeah the hair is fucked up

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah the hair it's weird you can't look too closely at adam in a fighting game but you know

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_02]: so don't look at guile directly kids yeah like well guile's hair is always fucked up I mean it's

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_02]: always gravity defying it's weird right but like in this game they really made a point emphasis on point

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_01]: of it I don't think they understood the angle of guile's hair so it just instead of you know

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_01]: choosing one that was wrong they just chose none of the angles and they all look wrong

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_02]: other characters in this game well I guess there's another samurai showdown character because

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_02]: shiki is from Samurai showdown 64 but who the fuck played that not me I never saw a neo geo 64

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_02]: did they ever come out I honestly don't know oh I thought they did but now that you're saying it

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe not I've never and dude I've seen all sorts of stuff in arcades that I a lot of people

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_02]: haven't seen a neo geo 64 is not one of them I am not going to sit here and pretend I have

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_02]: played a neo geo 64 yeah um yeah the capcom side is a little too safe for my liking it's like oops all

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_02]: street fighters featuring tessa and dimitri basically okay fine there's also zero but like

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_02]: that feels too safe to me I don't really like the cap because like in capcom versus s and k

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_02]: you got rival schools people you got like you said they were under duress so they probably

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_01]: picked the safest things they could that you they would know we would go play as you know even if

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_01]: sagat looks so very wrong especially if you don't use the default costume um sagat I believe then

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_02]: called him hunchback a Notre Dame I mean that is that is very fitting did they just not want to make

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_02]: a sprite too tall it's like no hunch them over more more yeah I mean earthquake's okay but sagat

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_02]: no yeah hugo whatever but why is hugo the size of the screen like he's even bigger than he is in

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_01]: street fighter three it's ridiculous I feel like he's even bigger when he's charging at you I am I'm

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_02]: sure that's wrong but it feels like he is um I think the meetry is the best spray in the game

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_02]: though Dimitri looks fucking bad ass oh that is the best a meetry ever they really really wanted

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_01]: to make that the meetry sprite happen and they did yeah that is you agree best sprite in the game

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_02]: best capcom sprite in the game you anyway yes that because holy shit vegas animations look

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_02]: kind of half finished you notice when he does the roll it doesn't really roll very well it's weird

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_01]: which is weird because you think that would be that would have been no capcom sprite s and k

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_01]: people would want to do but I guess again time constraints and the sort honestly though moving

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_02]: on from the roster my biggest problem with svc chaos is how dour this game is it's so dreary

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_02]: in tone and in look and musically too and it's not just like the 2000s edge lord dark and gritty

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_02]: shit it's just drab steve I think you know I'll put it this way I think the best thing I've ever

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_02]: heard someone say about the difference between svc chaos and the capcom versus s and k games that we

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_02]: love is that capcom versus s and k is a party right those games were celebrations of both companies

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_02]: you know in the stages and the music was so we're so lively everywhere you went it felt like

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_02]: a party svc chaos feels like purgatory in contrast like this game is hell and the backgrounds and the

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_02]: music reflect that and uh there's a there's a stage called nude place I think that's really the only

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_01]: joy I pulled from any of that you're right andre there is a stage called new place but

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_01]: more importantly you nailed the purgatory thing right because you ever actually see

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_02]: the story of svc chaos no not really outside of the intro the very dreary intro oh you mean the one

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_01]: where you and go or just stare at each other down and then mr karate shows up I love that he's

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_02]: mr karate by the way not talk about talk about talk about my favorite like s and k character

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I like that they went full onie mask with him by the way but yes that intro well anyway someone

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_01]: did pretend to write a story here and it goes to the effect of uh oh oh no following a cataclysmic

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_01]: event all life on the planet has been wiped out in purgatory a group of fighters are drawn into

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_01]: a tournament by Athena and red armor avatars were the forces of order and chaos who promised

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_01]: that the winner will receive one wish now the fighters compete to win the tournament and have

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_01]: their wish granted with the fate of all life hanging in the ballots andre they're all fucking dead

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_01]: just like s and k at this time they even killed mr reu I mean who kills mr reu they do look like

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_02]: they're in hell though they do look like they're on like a destroyed a post apocalyptic earth

[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_02]: they should you know what that should have been it in the game right they should have went to

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_02]: very famous s and k and capcom stages that are now destroyed imagine going to I know he's not in

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_02]: the game but imagine going to e honda's bath house and it's fucked up yeah or something right

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_01]: that's the game I don't know why they didn't make that yeah shit maybe they'll make it now

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe they'll make it now that they're back svc chaos too you know maybe it's good that e honda

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_02]: isn't in this game because I don't want to see his rendition in this in this era honestly

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_02]: it's just earthquake but without a shirt I don't know why earthquakes wearing a shirt honestly

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_02]: what the hell's the point of that thing no fucking idea yeah don't even bother

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_02]: there is some good stuff about this game though and one of them is the pre-fight dialogue

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_02]: literally every character has an interaction with another character they all have a pre-fight

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_02]: little tit for tat and someone at s and k wrote all this stuff out literally every combination

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_02]: of character that can fight each other there's a different conversation for it steve that is

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_01]: impressive like straight up yeah I wish they spent like more than two minutes working on it though

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I think they I think that was capcabre's contribution to this game look you can use our characters

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_01]: and the tourist dictionary we used to translate breath of fire too into English that's all we're

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_02]: giving you though yeah it was well I love that the creatures they didn't even bother like fire

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_02]: brand or excuse me red our reamer is like goo ga ga ga or something every time they don't even do

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_02]: the thing where they have parentheses what he said like big yeah right um but you know that's cool

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_02]: that's a very cool aspect of the game steve I don't know if you ever played king of fighters 13

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_02]: they do the same thing in that game and I know they got it from this so I'm glad that s and k

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_01]: sort of kept that along for a while well you know no one stops mr re you what you never saw

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_01]: that fight they call me mr re you and I've come to fight who says that though who does he fight when

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_01]: he says that I think it's I think it's uh oh god from king of fires kyo kyo yeah wow they call me

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_02]: mr rew yes that is totally in line with this character absolutely guys they call me mr rew

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_02]: who's your favorite busted character because mine is definitely the aforementioned red a reamer

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_02]: because he is might be the most busted character I've ever seen in a fighting game he has like

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_02]: three different projectiles and two of them are just enemies from ghouls and ghosts so they

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_02]: just kind of fly around the screen good luck it's like pretty much undodgeable and he can fly

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_02]: because red a reamer dude this guy is a menace I don't even know how you beat him I don't know I feel

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_01]: like he's a bit more plausible to beat than Athena you know oh god Athena's name is magic

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_01]: he might remember from the song but uh she's fucking broken I understand the boss characters

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_01]: are supposed to be broken a little bit but I think if I selected her and handed the controller to my

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_01]: niece and then picked anybody else and a reminder for everyone at home she is five years old not a

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_01]: lot of video games yet I think I'd still lose half the time you mash any series of buttons and

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_02]: things fill the screen to kill you well she she her like level three specials are like regular

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_02]: moves it's crazy you could just keep doing them over and over the thing is with Athena though I feel

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_02]: like if you weighed out some of them you can punish some of those I feel like I don't know how you

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_02]: punish red a reamer unless he just stops wearing projectiles so it's just I don't know man this

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_01]: is a good time to bring up that there is the online component and one of the categories you

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_01]: could set is all characters except bosses like yeah no no no no no bosses you guys you know what though

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_02]: okay but those other two no honestly this game is fun because it's busted that's the reason why

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm even putting it in the category of like something to do because like honestly picking

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_02]: the regular ass characters isn't really that fun because his game has like no combos or no

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_02]: ability to combo anything or chain anything I and look I'm not saying every game has to have long

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_02]: ass combos or something like you know CD the wolves is going to have them but you don't even have the

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_02]: regular stuff that you could do in Street Fighter Steve it felt like even just doing like jumping

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_02]: fierce low forward you know into fireball felt like I mean can you even do that in this game

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know look I'm the filthy casual when it comes to this games which is to say

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm never going to be able to pull off combos or never the fuck I won and win evo and this isn't

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_01]: the game I'm going to start with if I want to mend my ways because you drew my attention to this

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_01]: SNK put out a series of official videos to show you the combos of the game

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_01]: and they're like pretty much you sent me one with Vega but I watched like one or two of the others

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_01]: and they're all pretty much yeah just punch your kick once or twice and then do the special move

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_01]: how was that a combo video I got a lot more mileage playing just spamming high priority

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_01]: specials when I was able to it's it's almost a kid older games of theirs but with all these other

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_01]: meters in play it just doesn't fit together very well yeah and there's some like I don't

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_02]: know if you want to call them chain combos or target combos with some people again with Ken

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_02]: like you can do a crouching like you press light and then heavy you do like a little one two

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_02]: and it does combo but then what can you do after that you can't do anything you're too

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_02]: far away to tattoo them you can't really pull off a dragon punch like it's weird it's like okay

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_02]: they have this little thing it just doesn't feel finished in that regard that's why I say picking

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_02]: the busted characters doing wild shit is like the fun part of the game and again despite everything

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I still recommend people try this game as you said at the top it's a weird relic

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_02]: of a weird time and I think SVC chaos is fascinating also it's like 20 bucks

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_02]: you could spend a lot more money on a lot worse fighting games than this

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_02]: like SVC chaos for 20 bucks honestly is kind of a good deal if what we said today makes it sound like

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_02]: oh this doesn't sound very good but it also sounds kind of fun definitely spend your 20 dollars and

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_01]: get it I think you should Steve yeah we keep talking shit about this game but the fighting

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_01]: game enthusiasts people need to pick this up I personally would have preferred this in a

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_01]: set with the two cap con games just for the sake of neatness but I had fun playing this overall

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_01]: and you know like I said they're still online for everyone that likes that just you know remember

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_01]: where there's a boss room because holy shit if I can't pick red o' reamer I ain't playing

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_02]: online sorry I'm that I'm that scrub I want to want to spam them things like you're

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_02]: not going to call me an asshole or some sort of filthy name for wanting to cheat online we got plenty

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_02]: of time for that oh my god anyway we're going to get to the mail bag in just a second but first

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to talk to my friend Brian Rigsby who's been making a book called video game maps SNES volume

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_02]: one volume one of three by the way which should be out before the end of the year and I'm

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_02]: going to have him on right now to talk about it on the other side of this break

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_02]: all right I'm here with Brian now he is here I have made him appear thanks for joining me Brian

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Rigsby and thanks for having me I appreciate it no problem I can I please start by just

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_02]: profusely thanking you again I know I've done this already in public but I'm sorry I have to

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_02]: do it again on fine time thank you thank you for letting me be a part of this you know when you

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_02]: asked me to do this I was like cool you know this sounds great you know but then like when I saw

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_02]: like those preview images you put up on your website which we'll talk about in a second

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_02]: then it became real to me I was like oh shit this is like this is some real deal I then I

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_02]: got like really excited all of a sudden so thank you for letting me be some a part of

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_06]: something so cool no and thank you too I mean the more people that got involved in this you know

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_06]: the better these things tend to be and I totally understand your reaction you know I know there's

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_06]: a some people out there with ideas and they float things out there but they don't they don't

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_06]: always come true so you don't really think it's real until you see it all come together

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_06]: and that's how I feel when when these projects finally start to wrap up as well yeah I'm

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_02]: sure it's very exciting for you for you know you're the creator so yeah let's talk about

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_02]: it now it's a book called SNES uh what video game maps SNES volume one is that right

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_06]: that's correct and it's going to be three volumes and you know originally as with anything I

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_06]: put together I start kind of small and it ends up kind of ballooning up so it became so big

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_06]: that it was either cut something or split it into three volumes and I went with the ladder

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_06]: because I figured people will appreciate having more content at the end of the day

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I certainly will for sure yeah I mean I remember I remember that too when you asked me it's like

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_02]: how many do you want me to submit you know it's like okay I'll just do I'll just do some whatever

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_02]: you use is whatever you use you know that's great if I make it in great if not okay

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_02]: you know I'm glad you even asked me but this first volume covers axolay what's the first

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_02]: game on the list axolay to Final Fantasy Mystic Quest am I am I wrong uh I think actually the

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_06]: first game is uh Seventh Saga Seventh Saga numbers that's right ahead of my life yeah no I do the

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_06]: same thing when I alphabetize stuff yep no it feels right to me uh and it goes through uh the

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_06]: Final Fantasy games and a lot of people might be thinking like oh a through f that doesn't seem

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_06]: like is that really a third but really it just comes down to you know the way the content's broken

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_06]: out these books are going to be roughly 300 pages each um and you know some games just have uh just

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_06]: a lot more content to kind of cover as far as like the map themes go um and you know as far as

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_06]: like you know which games go in there it's not even necessarily about like what are the most

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_06]: popular ones what are the ones people remember the most are the best games I mean those ones

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_06]: are all pretty much in there because they have so much content that surrounds them and write you

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_06]: know great materials to kind of like parse through and curate uh but there's also a lot of stuff people

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_06]: will not have heard of a lot of Japanese exclusives and it really just comes down to like the maps

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_06]: you know the theme of the book um is there was there like a really cool poster was there

[00:33:44] [SPEAKER_06]: stuff in the instruction manuals in game maps was there fan art created more recently um was

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_06]: there a lot of magazine spreads advertisements um possibly Japanese exclusive ones uh guidebooks

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_06]: etc etc so um that's that's how it breaks down uh a lot of people assume the super games were going

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_06]: to take up so much space it had to be their own volume but this is this is how it broke down

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_02]: it it all worked out yeah you know I was thinking the same thing I was like because

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I remember uh I don't know if it was on blueskate or something someone said the same thing it's

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_02]: like oh it only covers you there and I thought to myself there are so many super Nintendo games

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_02]: to start with the word super it's insane like so you know those might be a chunk you know and I'm

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_02]: sure they are a chunk I mean I'm sure when we get to those other volumes and you reveal those

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_02]: and sure it'll be a sizable portion see and now I don't even remember the process now did you

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_02]: send out a list of games to me and everybody or do you read just like pick the games that

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_06]: you want or how did it work yeah so the way it worked is you know I started my own list of like

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_06]: well these are the must haves they must be in there and then I started doing this is true with everything

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_06]: right I started doing my research what's the right games what's the right content what I want to say

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_06]: about them etc and it starts building out from there then I get even deeper in the research

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_06]: I start scrubbing through archives like my own materials etc etc to like really find like where

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_06]: the you know the lesser known games are the ones that would fit in really nicely but yeah then I

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_06]: produced a list and I basically said like you know I want to get a diverse set of quotes you

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_06]: know diverse meaning like I want podcast hosts but I also want game devs I want artists writers

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_06]: really everything like there's some comedians in there as well there's like there's a little bit

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_06]: of everything I used to work in game development back in the day and so like I also hit up some

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_06]: of my old colleagues you know people I used to work with so there's some people in there but

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_06]: basically I put it out there and I said like look these are the games you can take on as many as

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_06]: you want some things might get cut you know people that have like you know put stuff

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_06]: like this together before they'll know like you know when it comes to words and photographs

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_06]: and imagery and assets like the more stuff you have up front the easier it is to do these

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_06]: things because you need to have like the the pieces to play around with and then you can

[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_06]: kind of edit and cut back so something's got kind of cut for space that happens

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_06]: but you know my goal was that like that most games would have at least one quote in it to

[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_06]: kind of round it out and so I started kind of like marking things off and letting people know

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_06]: like hey these are the ones that are kind of the gaps still that kind of stuff so some people

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_06]: did one or two some people did you know a nice handful and most of them made it in

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_02]: that's great yeah that's why I gave you a handful and that's also why I didn't necessarily go for

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_02]: chrono trigger or something I figured a million people will want to talk about that which is great

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_02]: right yeah we're donkey kong country I kind of picked some stuff that was not necessarily obscure

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_02]: but just kind of off the beaten path obviously I don't want to blow your cover reveal what those

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_02]: might be but you know I can uh yeah but yeah I know what you mean a lot of people had

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_06]: that feeling too they're like oh I see someone already locked in chrono trigger it's like uh

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_06]: 10 people have already locked in chrono trigger if you also want to say something I understand

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_06]: it is one of the most popular games of all time for a really good reason that's okay yeah

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah that's yeah that's that's the thing you know because honestly right now as of this recording

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_02]: anyway I don't know when I'm gonna I'm gonna put it out but I'm planning a solo episode about

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_02]: my five favorite SNES games and I'm doing that because almost like what we just said it's like

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_02]: you can almost name people's you can we can name them right now right super mario world earthbound

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_02]: chrono trigger and they should say those games right because they're like some of the best

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_02]: games of all time like of course people are going to say that and they should but like when I think

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_02]: about like my favorite not necessarily the best but like the things that come to mind the thing

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I love about the super nintendo is that I think the hit rate of the system of any given game is

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_02]: absurdly high like I feel like I could just dig through the library and just pick up something

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I never heard of and I have a pretty good chance of it being good or at least like right right

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_06]: it's kind of like the opposite argument for Nintendo 64 right like a lot of people

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_06]: will dump on it but then you realize like if you really get into the good games there are

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_06]: excellent games on it but there's just far less above average games and the SNES

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_02]: absolutely true yeah and I feel like you know the 8-bit era has a lot of crap I mean there's

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_02]: obviously a lot of good stuff too but there's a lot of games that are bad in fact maybe I should

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_02]: mention that I think we found each other on Twitter because of our mutual love of Rygar

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_06]: oh I mean that would that would make sense that was the first book I wrote and put out

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_06]: so yeah that's one of those NES gems well plus other systems so

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah I if anyone's a fan of that I'm a fan of them yeah I the NES version is the version for me

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_06]: if I if I'm honest you know that's most people right some people are familiar with the arcade

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_06]: version most people are familiar with the NES version I've barely anyone is familiar with

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_06]: the rest which is where I ended up doing you know the bulk of my research because I had far

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_06]: less familiarity with those other games and now I have a nice collection of all the Rygar things

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_02]: on my shelf to look at occasionally yeah it's it's it's very interesting I remember when

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_02]: they did Rygar 2002 and I was thinking like okay how are we gonna how is this gonna work

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_02]: and it worked I actually did really like that game you know at that time you know things going

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_02]: 3d that was still like a big deal right because not everything had made the jump if it was going

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_02]: to make the jump at all and can I get your thought just randomly can I get your thoughts on Rygar

[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_02]: or PS2 or 2002 or like what did you think of that game so I played it when it came out

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_06]: so I was you know it was fresh for me you know it was like I you know looking back on it

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_06]: now it doesn't age too well right like the way the cameras are often kind of fixed and swirl

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_06]: like can be a little disorienting I don't think it's a bad thing it's it's kind of it's kind of nice

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_06]: looking but doesn't age super well but like at the time I thought this is this is great they

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_06]: were trying to do something new and different of course they were going to explore 3d they really

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_06]: have no choice at that point you know it's not like now where it's like oh maybe we'll do 2d or

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_06]: 2.5d and do some throwback and like which is great I love that we're doing a lot of that

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_06]: still but back then okay we're like turning a corner we're turning into 3d um you know story is a little

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_06]: you know it's whatever um but like combat was fun I love that they had all these different disc

[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_06]: armors which is something this is a new addition right it's like do you want to be quick and

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_06]: weak or do you want to be like really heavy but short just like in between I thought that was

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_06]: great um and of course like now we look at games like God of War that came like soon after

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_06]: and I just and I start to make the argument at the end of the book it's like this could have been

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_06]: God of War like really has nothing to do with the IP the property like but it's like they're very

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_06]: similar types of game this chain whip attack the combos like 3d space like just destroying enemies

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_06]: just beating them up and just moving forward like they're kind of the same thing but you know

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_06]: which one you know ended up being the thing with lasting power it doesn't matter that much

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_06]: in the end but it just goes to show like that formula uh worked it still works it still does work and I

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_02]: do like fixed perspective games at the time at the time that was still like I mean I love all the

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_02]: tank controls game so there's risen evil oney moosh or whatever like I love those games

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_02]: those are all fixed perspective and so then when you get into the ps2 area you stop having

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_02]: the tank controls but you still have fixed perspectives like devil may cry had a lot of

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_02]: them right and rigar does it too so it's just kind of what you did at the time you know to kind of

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_02]: tamp down the 3d it's like okay if you could only look at it from this perspective and only do

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_02]: this it makes it a lot easier to craft this which I did appreciate the time was the right move

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_02]: there was there was the battle arena part of rigar 2002 where it plays a version of rigar

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_02]: NES the first level the japanese version and I did not know because rigar is my favorite 8-bit

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_02]: soundtrack of all time straight up like no doubt it's incredible yeah yeah it's so good and I didn't

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_02]: realize that the japanese version at that time had basically like half the music was different

[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_06]: which is crazy because every song is so unique by itself just in the in the in the western

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_06]: release but it's and it's already perfect yeah yeah yeah it's it's it's it's incredible and then I

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_02]: have to seek that out I was like wait a second right and then I listened back and I was like oh

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah and then of course then I felt like I had an entire new soundtrack to explore there was

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_02]: something that was already my favorite and then it was like here are like some b sides for you

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_02]: better than b sides they're just as good in my opinion I love I love both of them all all

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_02]: the japanese and us tracks together are like my favorite 8-bit stuff yeah excellent soundtrack

[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_02]: did you for this book though for this s and e s book did you have any like influences as far as

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_02]: like the way this thing was going to be laid out because again when I saw the preview images I

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_02]: think you put one up of Dracula x or maybe a super Castlevania 4 a Castlevania game nonetheless

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_02]: and the way it was laid out with the castle and the I was like wow this looks like every magazine I ever

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_02]: loved growing up like this is incredible I used to love a magazine called game fan do you remember

[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_02]: that one of course bag okay yeah that was my favorite magazine right and I that's what the

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_02]: vibes it gave me when I saw that stuff I was like this gives me game fan vibes nothing has ever

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_02]: given me that you know so oh that's that's great to hear yeah dude for real so did you have any

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_02]: influences like that or was it just kind of happens it just kind of worked out that way well I mean

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_06]: it's it's kind of a combination of things I mean first of all yes um yeah I grew up with a lot

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_06]: of these magazines you know I had like the first year of nintendo power and then I kind of like

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_06]: I was one of those kids that like go to like the local uh bookstore and we just flip through all

[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_06]: the magazines maybe not actually buy anything but like just kind of sit there for half an hour

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_06]: as a lot of kids did when they couldn't buy all the magazines well the magazine was like you know

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_06]: five whole dollars I didn't always have that right so of course or like you know you're at a friend's

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_06]: house maybe they have a subscription to something and someone else has one to another and you

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_06]: borrow and you trade and all that and of course like I I still love magazines you know you know

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_06]: hearing like the the last of the magazines starting to kind of die off like lately in the

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_06]: nearest it's like it's really sad to hear I um but the other thing about influence was

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_06]: as I'm going through archives um which I spent an ungodly amount of time doing um I'm being just like

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_06]: just inundated with these visuals in particular a lot of the Japanese magazines like I find to be

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_06]: really influential for me and I feel like they they cross cut with today's kind of uh graphic

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_06]: design in a really interesting way because in a way they kind of came full circle where like

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_06]: you see a lot of graphic design these days where it's like very blocky simple very straightforward

[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_06]: which is nice like I actually like a really clean aesthetic like a lot of color a lot of like fun

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_06]: popping stuff going on but also just like simple shapes right that just kind of like tie everything

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_06]: together and so a lot of the Japanese magazines I was looking through actually influenced me a lot

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_06]: and like I love having that Japanese or sorry that magazine feel um the thing I try to be a

[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_06]: little careful of is like I mean this is a book and this is also like the first hard cover

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_06]: for retro game books so it's like I want to also make sure like on the cover you see it

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_06]: and you're like oh no this is not a magazine this is a book this is a big 300 page like glossy

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_06]: paper full color book so you're not like you know thinking you're getting something less than

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_06]: but then inside I want to invoke that feeling you know that nostalgic feeling of the magazines

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_06]: and you mentioned that Castlevania page like something I kind of did uh throughout the book

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_06]: is if there's a if there's a game that's like highlighted more prominently like it's

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_06]: like 20 pages 15 pages right it's more than just like a one or two page thing I try to have that

[00:46:21] [SPEAKER_06]: nice big like two page like introduction or it's like you're going into a cool space here right

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_06]: like this is something big like get ready this is going to be exciting and then you move into

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_06]: the next kind of phase and it all kind of just keeps like moving and moving um but yeah I mean

[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_06]: I've like with the Metroid the pixel art Metroid book um it's a soft cover it's like

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_06]: like a magazine and I just it just kind of felt right aesthetically so like you see like the text

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_06]: in the cover it's like who contributed some stats like throw some numbers out there like what's inside

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_06]: and with that book as well as um this new book the SNES one something I always plan to do is like

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_06]: what can I do in addition to the primary theme of the book so the primary theme of this book

[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_06]: of course is maps and SNES but like I want some I want a forward in every book I want some

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_06]: articles in every book maybe a tutorial maybe an interview there's like an interview coming up in

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_06]: the next one based on an archivist for for the Zelda series um there's some articles and all of them

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_06]: as well they of course tie back to the theme like they have to tie back to SNES or maps in some way

[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_06]: often both but they're in there and like that way you when you're flipping through the beginning

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_06]: you know part of the book you're like yeah it's just kind of like a magazine I'm flipping

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_06]: through I'm reading some things I'm getting into it before I get into like the big

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_06]: gallery portion of it so that's that's how I put these together that's so cool to hear I love hearing

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_02]: that thought process because in my opinion like I think you're right the language if you will

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_02]: not literally the printed word but just the visual language of the those magazines that's

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_02]: video games man I think that's like you know I think that's important I'm not saying the

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_02]: entire all 300 pages should look like that but I think invoking that is important and I think

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_02]: there are some books that forget about that or maybe that's just not their aim which is totally

[00:48:17] [SPEAKER_02]: fine right but for me and the way I think about video games I think that is definitely

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_02]: what it should be well thanks for coming on I really appreciate it retro gamebooks.com

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_02]: everybody go definitely go there check out Brian's books the SNES book they're still

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_02]: as of this recording anyway there should still be some copies I think you can you can still

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_06]: pre-order it's actually being printed right now but you know we're pulling in some extras

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_06]: but once those are gone they're gone so I do encourage people to get on it sooner rather

[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_06]: than later I'll also be at the Portland retro gaming expo that's September 27th through 29th

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_06]: retro gamebooks we'll have a booth there I'm pretty sure we'll have the book in time for that so if

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_06]: people want to like get it in person they can or any of the other books you know we have about

[00:49:10] [SPEAKER_06]: seven books and plus some other things like cards and stickers and bookmarks and all that fun

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_06]: stuff you can check out there or purchase directly from the site. The Rygar book I have came with

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_02]: some cards and they were excellent so nice nice little fun trinkets okay before I let you go

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_02]: could you pick a favorite SNES game could you pick one could you pick one to rule them all

[00:49:32] [SPEAKER_06]: so I thought about this a little bit before I came on and I put together a list of my top four

[00:49:37] [SPEAKER_06]: and so first let me say those so Chrono Trigger a link to the past Final Fantasy 6 and Super Metroid

[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_06]: was not a big surprise here these are all very popular games my full list is all popular games

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_06]: but they're great games they deserve to be up there. Yeah of course they do. It's

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_06]: turn-based RPG you got like action adventure RPG you got like your Super Metroid which is

[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_06]: his own class of its own you know your your Metroidvania if I had to pick one oh my gosh

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_06]: just terrible like I keep moving around I'm just gonna say I'm gonna say a link to the past

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_06]: it changes every month I'm just gonna I'm gonna go with it I'm just gonna lock it in. Yeah I

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_02]: mean yeah you can't argue with it I think I would pick Super Ghouls and Ghosts.

[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I think if I really just get down to it in my heart of hearts that's that's it for me

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm a Capcom freak so I gotta. No me too yeah Mega Man Street Fighter Resident Evil like are some

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_06]: of my all-time favorites so I hear you on that. For me we had Ghouls and Ghosts on the Genesis

[00:50:47] [SPEAKER_06]: and I didn't play the Super Nintendo version until like a year ago and it's very very very different

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_06]: it's totally different. I just grew up being like hey this Genesis game is awesome you know we only

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_06]: had like four or five games so of course I played it to death so I love that game and but I don't

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_06]: have an affinity for the SNES version because of that. Yeah I did well see that's the thing too

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I kind of approached that way too because when I was a kid I was on arcade head growing up too

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_02]: that was my favorite thing I mean it wasn't damn near until I was an adult where I played

[00:51:17] [SPEAKER_02]: games at home more than at the arcade I love the arcade so Ghouls and Ghosts was a favorite of mine

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't have a Genesis like everyone else I knew had one but I didn't have it so I played

[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_02]: it at the arcade and then when Super Ghouls and Ghosts came I was like okay is this just

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_02]: the same thing but the Super Nintendo version I thought it was like a you know what I mean

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like oh this is a totally different game you know and it's wild so yeah I part of

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Hearts I got a pick Super Wilson Ghost that's my favorite but not Ghosts and Goblins for the NES

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I take it. Not that. Real grind. The arcade version maybe I mean like it's better and I think it's

[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_02]: like a pretty good game but NES no thank you. Alright Brian, Brian Rigsby thank you for joining

[00:52:03] [SPEAKER_02]: me on fine time we'll be right back with the mailbag. Alright it's mailbag time thank you again Brian

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_02]: for talking about the book I hope all of you check the description of this podcast click the link

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_02]: there to go to retrogamebooks.com and see see his cool stuff there it's really great stuff

[00:52:46] [SPEAKER_02]: the SNES book or not all of it's great. You might say it's super. Wow dude where you could

[00:52:54] [SPEAKER_02]: have said that during the interview where were you by the way where'd you go you just reappeared I

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I had the pee man for like 20 minutes. Yeah I had a nice red dead redemption to pee to do you know

[00:53:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Jesus Christ how long okay this is not Potter for a mailbag how long would you have to pee

[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_02]: before you got concerned that it wouldn't stop like how long would that be oh before I got concerned

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_02]: three minutes three minutes I think I would be concerned before that three minutes I drink a lot

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I drink a lot of water okay but like I feel like if you stood there and peed for like two minutes

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_02]: in 30 seconds you wouldn't be like ah just totally normal yes I mean sooner if I you know saw

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_01]: blood but no just just regular pee yeah I don't time myself but you know I guess I don't know I feel

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_01]: like I'd be concerned before that but I don't usually unzip my fly pull up the stopwatch on my

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_02]: phone go and okay well next week segment you're going to like tell us your average pee time over

[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_02]: like one day one week one for medical science I don't get shit done enough as it is now you're gonna

[00:54:15] [SPEAKER_02]: have me track my pee yeah just have a little timer have like a permanent timer next to the can and

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_02]: just hit it when you when you start peeing of all the things oh boy okay we're gonna get to your

[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_02]: real mailbag questions that are not about nobody asks us any questions about pee but thank you

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I know it's incredible honestly considering the show but thank you thank you thank you for

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_02]: sending so many questions you guys always turn out for this stuff even like more than two years ago

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_02]: when we had many less listeners do we then we do now people still gave us questions for this stuff

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_02]: and we always always appreciate that we have honestly just loyal listeners of this show

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_02]: to be able to do that with so that is great thanks guys just incredible it really is it

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_02]: really is great so let's start with Alejandro asks us on discord if you could make video game

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_02]: themed food for a restaurant menu what would you make and similarly the kathusia's Jeff also asks

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_02]: us from discord you are to create a video game themed food entree what is the entree and what

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_02]: is the name of the food entree and we are to fat guys we have done shows about food

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_02]: subtitled to fat guys and I feel like we're uniquely qualified to answer this question

[00:55:37] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah for my entree I reached into fairly recent news topics and I'm gonna make the

[00:55:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Famicom Detective Club sandwich it's a it's a BLT with roast beef a Colby Swiss blend

[00:55:53] [SPEAKER_01]: and horseradish mayo and for two bucks more I'll make it smile with french toast I would order that

[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_01]: four times a week that sounds incredible yeah I wrote all that down I'm like I want to make

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to smoke a roast beef like right now I'm gonna go okay so it was like personally motivated

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna go a little more like literal with it because I always think of those Japanese

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_02]: cafes a pop-up cafes that are there for like a few years that are you everyone's seen the curbie

[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_02]: ones online right the curbie one that looks so good right it looks amazing um I would love

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_02]: a Metroid burger man that would be great imagine a but the bun is the Metroid so you split it in

[00:56:43] [SPEAKER_02]: half you have the top of the Metroid right but then you have the little like not tentacles what are

[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_02]: they like thorn things like fangs little three fangs and you kind of stand up the burger on that

[00:56:55] [SPEAKER_02]: so it just kind of stands up like a Metroid obviously it's colored and looks like a Metroid

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_02]: as well and then like the the on top of the burger you can just have like that sort of you ever

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_02]: no you don't eat sushi god damn it Kevin where are you hey Kevin have you ever had the sushi with

[00:57:15] [SPEAKER_02]: like the mixed seaweed on top the seaweed topping that's kind of weird and slimy like okra but

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_02]: it's good Kevin yes I have Andre all the way from Canada okay yes oh yeah hey so yes that

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_02]: that's what I would have on the burger a plus other spooky spooky accoutrements but yeah the

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Metroid bun is key for me well what he done Mr. Arts and Crafts wow

[00:57:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Adam from backlog bloggery asks us on discord do you have a yearly playthrough watch read

[00:57:54] [SPEAKER_01]: that we do when I was a kid with zero or a smaller backlog yeah I like to keep complaining about that

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I played through earthbound every summer now I don't I'm a I'm an adult kind of I'm trying to

[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_01]: experience more things so purposeful repeat playthroughs don't really happen as much as

[00:58:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd like sometimes Nintendo eggs me on with platinum coins to play stuff and it happens that way

[00:58:24] [SPEAKER_01]: that's neat but nothing I visit annually anymore little sad but that's life um I don't have one

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_02]: throughout my lifetime that I've done this with but I have games throughout a generation

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_02]: that I will do this with like throughout the GameCube generation I probably played through

[00:58:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Luigi's Mansion at least once a year probably not on the schedule though like oh god I got to

[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_02]: play it every you know winter or something like that but I do have games like that in a generation

[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I've probably played through Mario Odyssey just done a story run if you will probably maybe not

[00:59:03] [SPEAKER_02]: every single year but definitely at least like five times right so I will I will do stuff like

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_02]: that I'm trying to think if there's a super Nintendo game that I've done this with I feel

[00:59:16] [SPEAKER_02]: like rail shooters and stuff like Hyperzone or Star Fox don't count so I really that's not really

[00:59:22] [SPEAKER_01]: what we're talking about here I don't think I mean I mean I could play Star Fox 64 as soon as

[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_01]: we're done and it wouldn't mean anything I'm not like that but you know yeah yeah of course yeah

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_02]: but no throughout so not throughout my whole life Adam but through a generation yes that can happen

[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Bill from Gaming and Collecting podcast and many other podcasts including the 3DO

[00:59:47] [SPEAKER_02]: experience I think it's called I'm sorry I don't remember the exact name but that's like one of

[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_02]: my favorite things to listen to I love that thing with him in Thrack he asks us on Discord

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_02]: if you could pick any anime to get a video game adaption which would you choose and what type of game

[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_02]: uh man I have a lot of things on my head but Steve you go ahead yeah after

[01:00:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Sandland kind of disappointed me I didn't want to go direct into something actually I'm so

[01:00:19] [SPEAKER_01]: sells it work with something I enjoyed a while ago it's kind of like Carmen's head or

[01:00:25] [SPEAKER_01]: a more recently uh inside out but you know with how your body works you have all these

[01:00:33] [SPEAKER_01]: anthropomorphic body functions like red blood cells and things running around taking care of

[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_01]: yourself and I just turned that into a sim game run the central nervous system and try to make

[01:00:43] [SPEAKER_01]: sure the person all these little cell people are running you know don't die maybe even have a

[01:00:50] [SPEAKER_01]: few scenarios like the old sim cities where you have to take care of extreme situations

[01:00:53] [SPEAKER_01]: already in progress oh no our person has extreme diarrhea we need to weather the storm or else

[01:01:01] [SPEAKER_02]: that I've never heard of cells at work but honestly that sounds like fun it could be like

[01:01:08] [SPEAKER_02]: while you said city management but as long as there's a mini game where I can play like

[01:01:13] [SPEAKER_02]: fake foes on to fight off some cells then I might be I might be cool with it

[01:01:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure that could be fudged in there somewhere um I so long time listeners of fine time will know

[01:01:28] [SPEAKER_02]: our first summer of the show we covered a little thing called bubble gum crisis and also bubble

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_02]: gum crash and also 80 police and also regrettably parasite dolls but everything in that sort of

[01:01:44] [SPEAKER_02]: bubble gum crisis universe Steve I think bubble gum crisis could be an excellent

[01:01:51] [SPEAKER_02]: elevator action type of game right because you think of those buildings and stuff not just

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_02]: the piss building from bubble gum crash but uh the uh all the other stuff in that anime

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_02]: and the way that series looks and feels that I think that would translate come on

[01:02:12] [SPEAKER_02]: priss as like the elevator actioner come on perfect right real piece of cookie andre

[01:02:21] [SPEAKER_02]: you fucking asshole

[01:02:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Chris from retro hangover asked us two things on discord to start with if we could make any

[01:02:33] [SPEAKER_01]: smaller developer become mainstream and big who would it be ah man by the way retro hangover

[01:02:41] [SPEAKER_02]: if you like fine time you will also love retro hangover they're basically a better

[01:02:46] [SPEAKER_02]: version of us with less dick jokes they're still dick jokes but in all seriousness the way they

[01:02:52] [SPEAKER_02]: break down games and the way they talk about them together probably reminds me the most of us so

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_02]: and I'm sure chris will probably roll his eyes at that because he doesn't want to be associated

[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_02]: with us at heart but uh yes retro hangover is a great podcast any current smaller developer

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_02]: becoming mainstream and big Steve I think you know my answer it's tribute games it's got to be

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_02]: tribute games they got a little bit of a bump up for last year because of shredders revenge

[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_02]: and now a lot more people know who they are but I've said it before and I'll say it again

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_02]: tribute games is the best indie developer in the business hands down full stop bar none like

[01:03:34] [SPEAKER_02]: they are so good at making yeah they do 2d pixel art right but they don't fucking cheat man they do the

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_02]: real deal animations and everything and and look I'm not out here saying anything bad about tweening

[01:03:49] [SPEAKER_02]: or other types of animations or quote-unquote shortcuts I'm not that guy I'm just saying

[01:03:56] [SPEAKER_02]: that the fact that they go full on with it and they're so good at it is incredible whiz orb

[01:04:03] [SPEAKER_02]: mercenary kings flint hook god pansor paladins and shredders revenge their games are incredible

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Steve I think they deserve to be I don't know who's a big indie now yacht club super giant

[01:04:19] [SPEAKER_02]: whatever like I deserve I think they deserve to be on that level

[01:04:24] [SPEAKER_01]: see I guess I'm a bit more of a bummer with this question because

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_01]: a year full layoffs and mergers and acquisitions that lead to layoffs that we talk about every week

[01:04:34] [SPEAKER_01]: on this show this just feels like the worst question would I want an anti-creator yacht club

[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_01]: or even good feel who just finally announced their fake uh goman game coming to you know

[01:04:47] [SPEAKER_01]: America next month to get any bigger than they are because I feel like that's suddenly when they

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_01]: would get bad or lose the people that make their stuff good I I don't know that that's the way I

[01:04:57] [SPEAKER_02]: think about this shit yeah you're right that was uh that's pretty bummer I gotta say pretty bummer

[01:05:03] [SPEAKER_02]: summer anyway anti-creates can't be making that because they're making the secret zilda 2 remake

[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_02]: that we've been telling them to make for like 15 years just let them make it all right chris also

[01:05:19] [SPEAKER_01]: asked us if it wasn't falcom yeah we didn't say that what would you do to make falcom and its

[01:05:25] [SPEAKER_02]: games a household name would we even want that I would want that because it would put the

[01:05:34] [SPEAKER_02]: pressure on them game freak style to step up those really ghetto graphics man look I love

[01:05:41] [SPEAKER_02]: falcom games I I love east everyone knows that but yo dude like I'm sorry they're not lookers and you

[01:05:52] [SPEAKER_02]: could argue that east has never been a looker and that's true but Steve like look at those look at

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_02]: that trails game that came out like earlier this month like come on man oh you mean the last one

[01:06:04] [SPEAKER_02]: ever allegedly allegedly or come on look at east 10 that's gonna finally come out here in October

[01:06:09] [SPEAKER_02]: dude like that shit they targeted switch for that and you could tell like please do a little better

[01:06:16] [SPEAKER_02]: please I don't know man that's that I don't okay the answer to his question strictly no I don't

[01:06:22] [SPEAKER_02]: really want them to be like that that big but if they did it would put pressure on them in a way

[01:06:29] [SPEAKER_01]: that I think would be good yeah but how would you do that just stick ads across the board

[01:06:34] [SPEAKER_01]: like okay we're watching adult swim and then suddenly the east 10 ad comes on yeah I don't know

[01:06:40] [SPEAKER_02]: how you well honestly the trail series is as popular as they will have probably ever gotten here

[01:06:47] [SPEAKER_02]: and that's gonna end allegedly oh they I don't think they mess around with that stuff I think they

[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_02]: that when they say stuff's over it's it's over I think I think

[01:07:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I think trails is jover you heard it trails is jover can we still say jover I don't know

[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know I don't know what's allowed anymore I'm getting too old

[01:07:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Brooks at our brook c2 on twitter thank you brooks for being a listener from day one

[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_02]: thank you thank you he asked us various pizza questions so we're just gonna go through them here

[01:07:29] [SPEAKER_01]: there's pizza topping Steve go ahead and cheat it's cheese we cannot have pizza without okay okay

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll stop being a jackass of the traditional toppings it's pepperoni yes I know it's basic

[01:07:44] [SPEAKER_01]: bitch answer but you can easily screw up so many of the other ones this is so much harder to get

[01:07:51] [SPEAKER_01]: wrong you certainly can but I feel like you have to try to fuck up pepperoni there's a reason

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_01]: why it's the you know default picture of every pizza you've ever seen you know I gotta agree it's

[01:08:02] [SPEAKER_02]: pepperoni how you can't fuck with it how can you do better than pepperoni you can't name I feel like

[01:08:08] [SPEAKER_02]: one of those like twitter posts for engagement name a better blah blah blah I'll wait like you

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_01]: can't oh god we're reaching into all the old internet tropes today we sure are okay but

[01:08:26] [SPEAKER_02]: what's the worst pizza topping brooks also wants to know the worst look I'm gonna be intimate with

[01:08:34] [SPEAKER_01]: you people for a second I can no longer have mushrooms regularly because of bathroom issues

[01:08:40] [SPEAKER_01]: so it's gonna be that point to fall I know I'm the pizza snob on this show but it's honestly

[01:08:46] [SPEAKER_01]: about the crust if you get that base right I'm probably gonna try anything you put on top of it

[01:08:51] [SPEAKER_01]: at least once even pineapple I like pineapple but you know you gotta have ham too it can't just be

[01:08:57] [SPEAKER_02]: a whole thing of pineapple I do not desire fruit on my pizza that goes for I don't know I shouldn't

[01:09:04] [SPEAKER_02]: say that because sometimes the I'm not a big fan of tomatoes but if we're doing like a chicken garlic

[01:09:09] [SPEAKER_02]: onion thing I guess a few diced tomatoes that are you know that's that's fine I guess it goes

[01:09:14] [SPEAKER_02]: with it and it's cooked enough to the point where it doesn't make me feel disgusting for eating it

[01:09:20] [SPEAKER_02]: but god you know I'm also gonna say mushrooms not because I don't like them but because I think

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_02]: they're mostly bad on pizza because I like I don't like mushrooms if they're like cooked they better be

[01:09:34] [SPEAKER_02]: fucking roasted right and they don't really get that way on pizza unless you like pre-cook them

[01:09:39] [SPEAKER_02]: but I don't think most places do that they I think they just put like the raw mushrooms on

[01:09:43] [SPEAKER_01]: and let whatever happens happens most people do that and what's really weird are the people

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_01]: that just get mushrooms on their pizza oh no like the people that make it their life's business

[01:09:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna get a mushroom pizza and nothing with nothing else it can't just be the only

[01:10:00] [SPEAKER_02]: topping you get on there doesn't Mario do that in the cartoons I feel like he does that well yeah

[01:10:05] [SPEAKER_02]: because he's surrounded by I understand that but like you know even in the quote unquote real world

[01:10:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like he does that um okay most underrated topping Brooks wants to know and I'm gonna go

[01:10:18] [SPEAKER_02]: total coastal elite Californian on here on you here it's artichoke hearts

[01:10:25] [SPEAKER_02]: artichoke hearts are so good on pizza they're great think of like and if people think I'm insane

[01:10:31] [SPEAKER_02]: right now and turning this off hear me out think of like olives or anything else in the

[01:10:36] [SPEAKER_02]: briny category that you might put on a pizza artichoke hearts is that times a million I love

[01:10:42] [SPEAKER_02]: olives on a pizza too don't get me wrong but it's really good if there's some place

[01:10:46] [SPEAKER_02]: out there that our offers that on a pizza try it it's really good stuff I promise I can't

[01:10:53] [SPEAKER_01]: agree or disagree we just don't put that on here too if someone ever does I'll give it a try

[01:10:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I promise it's good do you like artichokes in general like pizza yeah okay then yeah I

[01:11:04] [SPEAKER_01]: there's no reason why you wouldn't then yeah I'm gonna be stereotypical again and you know

[01:11:13] [SPEAKER_01]: again this is very easy to mess up because you can easily get a bad one as easily as you get

[01:11:18] [SPEAKER_01]: good one but meatball you get a great meatball in a place it suddenly becomes

[01:11:23] [SPEAKER_01]: one of the best toppings you can get especially on a Sicilian crust now of how I'm gonna be east

[01:11:28] [SPEAKER_01]: coastily for a second that's the rectangle one that's sort of that's almost a pan pizza kind of

[01:11:34] [SPEAKER_01]: it's like nice and doughy yeah stick the meatball on that that that's where it sings

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_02]: almost so like focaccia territory but not like really doughier than that but really okay interesting

[01:11:46] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah meatball is a fantastic topping and I've had good and I've had bad on the pizza you were

[01:11:53] [SPEAKER_02]: absolutely correct when it is good holy shit it's so good and then he also asked us the last pizza

[01:12:01] [SPEAKER_02]: question from Brooks least terrible national chain which is just knows how to play the game

[01:12:09] [SPEAKER_02]: oh my god which is just very loaded question but go ahead Steve thank you for playing the game

[01:12:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Brooks to make me answer the question directly as possible the answers pizza hut yeah the heyday's

[01:12:22] [SPEAKER_01]: long gone but I'd still rather go there than dominoes or papa johns like every time admittedly

[01:12:30] [SPEAKER_01]: though I haven't been to one since before the pandemic the one closest to me shut down right

[01:12:36] [SPEAKER_01]: before lockdown and left the hut behind it's still up it's waiting to be repurposed but the nearest

[01:12:43] [SPEAKER_01]: pizza that's at least almost a half hour away it's not worth driving to anymore yeah don't go that far

[01:12:48] [SPEAKER_02]: for pizza I um I will have to agree with you the answer is pizza hut and it's because of the

[01:12:54] [SPEAKER_02]: pan pizza crust I agree with you what you said earlier it's all about the crust and I feel

[01:12:59] [SPEAKER_02]: like that is the best national chain crust there is nothing even comes close to a pizza hut pan pizza

[01:13:07] [SPEAKER_02]: you can't you can't beat it in my opinion no one out pizzas the pan pizza crust at pizza hut is

[01:13:13] [SPEAKER_01]: that how the is that how the slogan goes think out think outside the bun yeah I think I think we

[01:13:19] [SPEAKER_01]: got it Edward Varnell from the boss rush network asks do you think Nintendo and the games come

[01:13:32] [SPEAKER_01]: out this fall and winter are saving holiday gaming and have they been doing that for the past seven

[01:13:38] [SPEAKER_02]: years since the switch is release yeah like I think you're right Edward like Nintendo's the only ones

[01:13:45] [SPEAKER_02]: out here still respecting Christmas nowadays like we used to see all sorts of deep December releases

[01:13:51] [SPEAKER_02]: or even early December but like now it's all September October shit what even comes out

[01:13:57] [SPEAKER_02]: November anymore besides Pokemon I don't even know like so yeah I feel like Nintendo does keep that

[01:14:05] [SPEAKER_02]: alive and that is their wheelhouse and they will probably just always continue to do that

[01:14:11] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah I mean I never really thought of it like that till now but yeah like under said

[01:14:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Pokemon's been landing in November for a while now this year I'm sure Mario and Luigi will see

[01:14:21] [SPEAKER_01]: a lot of ad time for its November release and I'm very sure that the Mario Kart 8 bundle will get

[01:14:28] [SPEAKER_01]: one last trot around the track this year you know come on guys it's got Mario Kart 8 you love that

[01:14:34] [SPEAKER_02]: game right a selling game of all time I think they updated the skew to have all the DLC now

[01:14:41] [SPEAKER_02]: did they I think they did I have I wouldn't know yeah so I mean yeah so I feel like

[01:14:48] [SPEAKER_02]: the why not why why not how could you not unless you're one of us waiting for the next one oh yeah

[01:14:54] [SPEAKER_02]: it's only it's only sold 700 million copies at this point just you know geez sumo Kirby

[01:15:02] [SPEAKER_02]: on blue sky asks us pick a franchise to reboot they said they want a new ssx game or star tropics

[01:15:12] [SPEAKER_02]: uh kevin is that you are you secretly submitting star tropics questions to us because god damn uh

[01:15:18] [SPEAKER_02]: anyway I'm gonna be a basic bitch here and say star fox I know Nintendo doesn't do strict reboots but

[01:15:26] [SPEAKER_02]: if they were going to go for anything it should be star fox I don't think that series can ever

[01:15:32] [SPEAKER_01]: come back without a reset Steve but but Andre star fox zero is already a reboot mother fucking please

[01:15:41] [SPEAKER_01]: no it is and so with star fox 64 if we're gonna be that technical oh please well yeah it is how many

[01:15:49] [SPEAKER_01]: times are we gonna make this same game with different technology andre that's the whole

[01:15:54] [SPEAKER_02]: point it should be their east book one and two it should be their mad max just throw stuff out

[01:16:01] [SPEAKER_02]: the wind it doesn't matter just make the star fox game it continuity god damned the star fox

[01:16:08] [SPEAKER_01]: game the star fox game yeah technically there's only one entry well one and a half if we count

[01:16:17] [SPEAKER_01]: arcades but suda 51 percent smock writer come on make it happen let's go yo that would be great

[01:16:27] [SPEAKER_02]: that kind of futuristic world the outfit she would wear yeah baby I'm here for it I mean

[01:16:35] [SPEAKER_01]: the game makes itself just well not by me but you know come on sumo Kirby asks us one more thing

[01:16:45] [SPEAKER_02]: is the n64 a bottom tier console and uh I'm you go first what do you think Nintendo man

[01:16:56] [SPEAKER_01]: look Andre by default I don't think any system that sees consistent support from the manufacturer

[01:17:04] [SPEAKER_01]: through a traditional console cycle can be bottom tier you might not like what's on there in retrospect

[01:17:11] [SPEAKER_01]: but if I had to pick through reliving the n64 and we you libraries as they were during their releases

[01:17:18] [SPEAKER_01]: versus something like oh the amiga cd 32 or the jaguar you know I'd pick those the Nintendo

[01:17:25] [SPEAKER_02]: ones all over again if god I forgot about the amiga cd god damn I feel like I had a bit more

[01:17:33] [SPEAKER_02]: support than jaguar though I mean we never really had a mega much here but still I'm going to be less

[01:17:41] [SPEAKER_02]: diplomatic than Steve and say that out of all the consoles I've actually owned yeah in 64 is

[01:17:49] [SPEAKER_02]: pretty down there because like let's go through it I don't know NES super nintendo game cube

[01:17:57] [SPEAKER_02]: game boy I don't think it's better than any of those game boy advance not better than that

[01:18:04] [SPEAKER_02]: it's not better than we it's not see we you is like the only contender I guess it's better than

[01:18:11] [SPEAKER_02]: we you if we're just going to nintendo consoles and out of everything else I've owned it's not

[01:18:15] [SPEAKER_02]: better than ps1 ps2 xbox 360 ps4 absolutely certainly not so like yeah I'd have to put it yeah it's

[01:18:23] [SPEAKER_01]: bottom tier one out of stuff that I've owned sure well you know if we qualify with other things that

[01:18:30] [SPEAKER_01]: only you add in then yes I guess we can call it a bottom tier console yeah but okay is in 64

[01:18:40] [SPEAKER_02]: better than virtual boy obviously yes obviously I don't know the virtual boys kind of all killer

[01:18:47] [SPEAKER_02]: no filler huh gotta gotta me there's a few stinkers on the virtual boy but the hit ratio is absurdly

[01:18:55] [SPEAKER_01]: high for such a tiny little console and I'm pretty sure I might be the only person on

[01:19:01] [SPEAKER_01]: in these coast that owns jackbros so he ho ben and either advance on blue sky asks us what games

[01:19:13] [SPEAKER_01]: on saturn did we feel like we missed out on the most um well there's two ways you could look at this

[01:19:21] [SPEAKER_02]: right like at the time or just like in general and if we're talking at the time it's definitely

[01:19:27] [SPEAKER_02]: the fighting game stuff because as a fighting game freak as we as we uh established during svc chaos

[01:19:33] [SPEAKER_02]: at the front here the Saturn ports of capcom games and snk games were so much better on saturn

[01:19:41] [SPEAKER_02]: than playstation you know some games fair it okay on ps1 like the alpha series or whatever but like

[01:19:47] [SPEAKER_02]: the marvel versus series or king of fighters forget about it like saturn was the place for that I would

[01:19:53] [SPEAKER_02]: have made the transition to primarily playing fighting games at home much faster if I had had a

[01:19:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Saturn because I would have had something close to the real shit but if we're talking about

[01:20:03] [SPEAKER_02]: what game I would want to play today that I just never have it's definitely guardian heroes

[01:20:08] [SPEAKER_02]: it's like the one treasure game I've never explored so I I cannot believe I've never played

[01:20:13] [SPEAKER_01]: guardian heroes I would love to play guardian heroes in a similar vein to andre I'd say if I was fed

[01:20:19] [SPEAKER_01]: more of the artc2d games and less of the 3d stuff and advertising I probably would have

[01:20:26] [SPEAKER_01]: enviously been wanting a Saturn 2 instead of you know you know what I'll just refer to an

[01:20:30] [SPEAKER_01]: 64 but to more precisely answer along many years later I'd play diehard arcade somewhere

[01:20:40] [SPEAKER_01]: either someone's house or at playing trade again and man that game is stupid fun I mean remember

[01:20:47] [SPEAKER_01]: the part in the movie where john mcclayne blows up assholes with a grandfather clock no you don't

[01:20:53] [SPEAKER_01]: well who cares it's just too funny to give a shit about it but uh there's just so many games

[01:20:59] [SPEAKER_01]: on the Saturn left behind like I'd love for someone to sit down and actually remake those

[01:21:06] [SPEAKER_01]: shining forces as intended instead of what they did here that has tactics man I would love that but

[01:21:12] [SPEAKER_02]: you know that's not happening that would be fun I think we would have to get stuff on a sega cd

[01:21:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Nintendo switch online first have like shining for cd or whatnot before we get to shining for

[01:21:26] [SPEAKER_01]: so many years since the last sega update guys more than that actually what the hell are you people

[01:21:30] [SPEAKER_01]: doing and the last and the last big thing you gave us was crusader of senty

[01:21:38] [SPEAKER_02]: well you know what the next thing is gonna be there's something new to play and you get to

[01:21:42] [SPEAKER_01]: flip over sewer shark you know for the novelty of it he also asked us if there were any other

[01:21:54] [SPEAKER_01]: niche console escapees like from the jaguar or 3do or things like that we might have missed that

[01:22:01] [SPEAKER_02]: we were kind of you know itching to play man as far as those consoles go not really the only

[01:22:08] [SPEAKER_02]: thing that really comes to mind would be tempest 2000 but I had that on like cd rom for pc

[01:22:16] [SPEAKER_02]: so I did get to play that it was a few years later but I did have it but that would have

[01:22:22] [SPEAKER_02]: been the only game and I did get to play that relatively at the time so no I don't really

[01:22:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't even think of like a 3do game I mean tempest 2000 is on the Atari sets now so I mean

[01:22:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I can grab that anytime and that's the thing though I feel like if I wait long enough I could

[01:22:37] [SPEAKER_01]: play most of these things on our console we live in that magical edge right now at for as

[01:22:43] [SPEAKER_01]: much as we're missing we're getting a lot of things too I will not get over how I have

[01:22:46] [SPEAKER_01]: a physical copy of plumbers don't wear ties sitting in my in storage because holy shit why would you

[01:22:53] [SPEAKER_02]: even do that yeah that's I mean I can't I still can't contemplate that game actually existing

[01:23:00] [SPEAKER_02]: like then or now it is it is something it's a fascinating package to say the least all right

[01:23:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Steve we got some questions ago but you want to do a lightning round how about a lightning

[01:23:10] [SPEAKER_02]: round in the middle of this lightning round activate activate activate activate

[01:23:22] [SPEAKER_02]: all right all of these questions are from scoden on blue sky he asked us several questions we're

[01:23:28] [SPEAKER_02]: going to lightning round then first of all Steve what music genre slash style would you like to

[01:23:33] [SPEAKER_01]: see make a comeback man scoden I'm not the music guy adres I'm sure has got an answer though I

[01:23:38] [SPEAKER_02]: sure do scoden you nailed it in your initial question to us I want r&b back 90s or otherwise

[01:23:44] [SPEAKER_02]: we don't have r&b anymore and I want that shit back next question if you're tasked to make two

[01:23:50] [SPEAKER_02]: video game music compilation mixtapes what themes games or songs would you include

[01:23:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I just make sounds of hip to knocker and call it a day honestly you can't argue with that

[01:24:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I would definitely go yuko takihara the famed capcom composer versus series also stuff like

[01:24:07] [SPEAKER_02]: making man six mighty final fight next question music and rhythm game comebacks

[01:24:12] [SPEAKER_02]: yes no or potential what would you want to see ignoring licensing assuming it's possible and

[01:24:18] [SPEAKER_02]: mine Steve is definitely bust a groove that would have to be it for me the ps1 series those games were

[01:24:24] [SPEAKER_02]: so much fun they're so lighthearted so bouncy and just pure you know I think most people

[01:24:30] [SPEAKER_02]: would enjoy those and I'm not I'm not a rhythm guy you know that but I love those games and

[01:24:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I would love to see them come back I'm not the biggest rhythm person either but you know

[01:24:39] [SPEAKER_01]: what it's time for neo donkey conga I want crazy plastic drums in my living room again let's go

[01:24:44] [SPEAKER_02]: of me too I'd love the bongos he also asks hot take custom soundtracks or ost give me the ost

[01:24:51] [SPEAKER_02]: someone worked on those yeah I know I was never a custom soundtrack guy the most I ever did is when

[01:24:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I first got my s3 6a play some crystal method while playing geometry wars and that was it

[01:25:02] [SPEAKER_02]: it's the most I ever fucked with it next question what game soundtracks would you change why and how

[01:25:08] [SPEAKER_02]: did they miss the mark for whatever reason and my answer Steve is splatoon 3 sad to say I feel like

[01:25:15] [SPEAKER_02]: the music in splatoon 3 is not nearly as good as the first two I don't think it's bad I just

[01:25:20] [SPEAKER_02]: think the first two games set such a standard that I I just don't think splatoon 3 gets there

[01:25:26] [SPEAKER_01]: at all I will say that cycle is no just kidding I'm just trying to cover up that consider all

[01:25:32] [SPEAKER_01]: that as part of the package of your music's bad the rest of your games probably bed and I'm not

[01:25:36] [SPEAKER_02]: probably looking to save your soundtrack he also asks what is the most unappetizing food in

[01:25:43] [SPEAKER_02]: video games and I have a very easy answer for this it's the resident evil seven family meal

[01:25:48] [SPEAKER_02]: that was pretty fucking disgusting so nothing can really top that for me yeah that was pretty

[01:25:54] [SPEAKER_01]: gross earthbound and mother 3 still has a bunch of food items I want to try in some capacity

[01:25:59] [SPEAKER_01]: none of them are trout yogurt I don't care for strawberry tofu in the original Japanese

[01:26:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I live in America where that quest centered around trout yogurt that's so disgusting next

[01:26:11] [SPEAKER_02]: question video game that piqued interest in a subject outside of the game and it's very easy

[01:26:18] [SPEAKER_02]: to say that I got into feudal Japan history because of samurai warriors samurai warriors is

[01:26:24] [SPEAKER_02]: my favorite warriors or slash muso series and yeah I learned a lot about Japan not just from

[01:26:31] [SPEAKER_02]: the games but it's researching on my own because of samurai warriors I guess this is sort of

[01:26:37] [SPEAKER_01]: cheating but playing sim city without the you know make have all the money code on super

[01:26:42] [SPEAKER_01]: NES encouraged me to pay attention read a newspaper about the you know world around

[01:26:48] [SPEAKER_01]: me when I was younger on occasion all right no that's cool that makes sense I understand that

[01:26:54] [SPEAKER_02]: okay next question you're trapped in your most hated franchise how fucked are you

[01:26:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Steve I would be trapped in Call of Duty so I'm pretty fucked I gotta say I mean it's probably

[01:27:03] [SPEAKER_01]: maddened for me and unless I get to sit in the stands and eat nachos I'm pretty fucked

[01:27:08] [SPEAKER_02]: dude no this is goes this goes back to our question of how how long could you fake a sport

[01:27:14] [SPEAKER_02]: you are definitely the prototypical white dude offensive lineman come on I barely understand

[01:27:20] [SPEAKER_01]: the football though and I live here in America where we play American football

[01:27:27] [SPEAKER_02]: football just stand there and look thick that's all you gotta do

[01:27:34] [SPEAKER_02]: okay jeez right stand next question where are consoles headed technology wise where do you

[01:27:41] [SPEAKER_02]: envision or would like to see in future generations and personally and this goes for the current

[01:27:47] [SPEAKER_02]: generation and beyond I want stuff pushed in quote-unquote silly ways not making the highest

[01:27:53] [SPEAKER_02]: resolution thing not making the most realistic looking thing I want like can you have 10 000

[01:28:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Pikmin on screen at 60 frames a second on a ps5 I would like to know the answer to that

[01:28:06] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah I like that question but I also want it to be smushed down into tablets that I can carry

[01:28:12] [SPEAKER_01]: around the house because I don't have as much time to sit at my tv as I used to then we will not

[01:28:16] [SPEAKER_02]: have the future of technology Steve we will if everyone just makes things small oh my fucking

[01:28:23] [SPEAKER_02]: god last question as a follow-up to the one we just answered where should they not go with

[01:28:29] [SPEAKER_02]: technology what advancements should they not do and a very easy answer AI please don't do AI guys

[01:28:36] [SPEAKER_01]: please quote-unquote AI yeah no AI and no attempts at photo realism that AI tries to do either none

[01:28:45] [SPEAKER_02]: of that yeah all right that concludes our lightning round Aaron our friend from super pot

[01:29:11] [SPEAKER_01]: saga asked us on discord and in person too but we'll start with discord if we could revive

[01:29:16] [SPEAKER_01]: any dead series from the 8 bit or 16 bit error what series would you revive

[01:29:21] [SPEAKER_02]: hmm always a good question always so many good answers to this question and right now

[01:29:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna say I think it's insane that we don't have adventure island anymore

[01:29:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Steve like okay I get it we don't have Hudson soft anymore but even way before Konami ate them

[01:29:42] [SPEAKER_02]: we still didn't have adventure island the most we had gotten was that like

[01:29:47] [SPEAKER_02]: really weird looking remake on Gamecube that we didn't get here you ever see that thing

[01:29:52] [SPEAKER_02]: oh yeah remember that shit that looked like hella weird I mean I guess it probably plays fine

[01:29:59] [SPEAKER_02]: but it was just like well yeah this is a game from 2003 we are picking on 2003 today we really

[01:30:06] [SPEAKER_02]: are man 2003 needs to get their shit together you know what can I say um yeah I guess adventure

[01:30:13] [SPEAKER_02]: island was just one of those casualties of games going 3d because how do you convert that gameplay

[01:30:17] [SPEAKER_02]: to 3d I don't think you really do but now that 2d lives with us again adventure island should

[01:30:24] [SPEAKER_02]: also live with us again master Higgins needs to be out here representing us thick kings you

[01:30:29] [SPEAKER_02]: know what I mean we don't have enough we don't have enough of that right now enough representation

[01:30:34] [SPEAKER_01]: no I guess not you know honestly this is a tough question because I feel like a lot of things just

[01:30:40] [SPEAKER_01]: get revived all the time I mean even Kid Icarus is I'm pretty sure is also getting a second

[01:30:45] [SPEAKER_01]: second chance but we're not talking about that right now the answer is Gargoyle's quest I want

[01:30:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Capcom to get their fucking search action on for a new Gargoyle's quest game because that's

[01:30:57] [SPEAKER_01]: what demons crest pretty much was at the end but they didn't they didn't quite find their

[01:31:01] [SPEAKER_02]: voice there I think they can today demons crest is really admirable for what it tries to do and I

[01:31:09] [SPEAKER_02]: think it's mostly good but you are right if they could refine that idea yeah I absolutely

[01:31:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad you said that honestly because I think a lot of people just oh demons crest is the best

[01:31:23] [SPEAKER_02]: or whatever and it's like nah I mean it's really good and it's fucking beautiful but let's not

[01:31:29] [SPEAKER_02]: say it's a you know paragon of oh I like the game but it's not even one of cap comes best

[01:31:36] [SPEAKER_01]: no not even on that system he also asked us if we could gain any superpower at the cost of

[01:31:42] [SPEAKER_01]: one of our five senses what superpower would you have and what sense would you sacrifice

[01:31:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Andrew I just get the power of flight at the cost of my vision because I don't deserve nice things

[01:31:55] [SPEAKER_02]: what the hell did you just do to this show why why did you what just happened

[01:32:04] [SPEAKER_02]: wow um Jesus Christ I just didn't even need any point for me to answer now I guess I will

[01:32:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I would give up my sense of smell because I have a shitty sense of smell as it is

[01:32:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I do so like I'll give up the rest of it I want to freeze time man I want to freeze time I want

[01:32:22] [SPEAKER_02]: to be able to like I don't know the streets busy just go zap my fingers together like out of this

[01:32:29] [SPEAKER_02]: world the sitcom from the early 90s is syndicated sitcom you know what I'm talking about right

[01:32:34] [SPEAKER_01]: like the yeah the uh the uh cinematic video game from 19 I'm just kidding I know the one you're

[01:32:41] [SPEAKER_02]: um and just boo zip and just cross the street instead of waiting for a light I'm not going to do

[01:32:46] [SPEAKER_02]: anything perverted I mean I might but I'm not going to tell you about it I just want to do

[01:32:50] [SPEAKER_01]: stuff like that okay so well pretend you're not going to do anything perverted but that's the

[01:32:54] [SPEAKER_01]: most you're going to use your power for you're going to give up the ability to smell just

[01:32:57] [SPEAKER_01]: across the street a little faster I mean I would get a lot I would do a lot of stuff

[01:33:03] [SPEAKER_02]: that could be I mean look I'm not going to tell you all my shit okay just imagine that you

[01:33:09] [SPEAKER_02]: imagine the stuff that you could do by freezing time that isn't perverted

[01:33:13] [SPEAKER_02]: you'll understand okay okay Jesus I'm just saying okay mind your own business okay

[01:33:27] [SPEAKER_02]: a new best hero aka alex asked us on discord alex asked is very hard to say

[01:33:35] [SPEAKER_02]: um what do you think of video game crossovers into other forms of media

[01:33:41] [SPEAKER_02]: and I asked him for elaboration on this and he said further I am a board gamer enthusiast

[01:33:46] [SPEAKER_02]: outside of video games and I see a lot of video game board games plus animated series and all kinds

[01:33:51] [SPEAKER_02]: of stuff so I guess he just means like either products or I guess it could be a cartoon or

[01:33:56] [SPEAKER_02]: something like that but just general what what do you want to see leap from the video game world

[01:34:01] [SPEAKER_01]: into something else Steve I mean I think it's just a matter of course as far as business goes

[01:34:07] [SPEAKER_01]: right I mean we've been crossing over shit into video games since forever the other day someone

[01:34:13] [SPEAKER_01]: now had someone cartoon twitter was getting excited because it's been five years since Sonic

[01:34:18] [SPEAKER_01]: the Hedgehog appeared on okay KO right before it got cancelled I'm like I never saw this show

[01:34:23] [SPEAKER_01]: but I'm glad you're all happy about that you kids yeah like every I mean look we're like adult

[01:34:31] [SPEAKER_02]: swim people right as as younger as younger adults so like we've seen the Hannah Barbera stable get

[01:34:39] [SPEAKER_02]: just just thrown into god knows what over that time period in the 2000s right because Hannah

[01:34:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Barbera is going bigger it's like fuck it do whatever you want whatever you want and they did

[01:34:54] [SPEAKER_02]: oh okay I got it I want real life Queensblood dex from Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth real fucking

[01:35:06] [SPEAKER_02]: life Queensblood I would buy that shit I spent so much time playing Queensblood and Steve when

[01:35:13] [SPEAKER_02]: you get to rebirth you will too I guarantee it it is so good yeah it bugged me about a

[01:35:21] [SPEAKER_01]: ufee I refuse to learn the use the actual name of the chapter most of that game was padded out by the

[01:35:27] [SPEAKER_01]: miniature foe strategy game oh like what's it called for kondor for kondor yeah for kondor once you

[01:35:35] [SPEAKER_01]: stop playing for kondor you pretty much steamroll the rest of it uh Steve guess what's back in

[01:35:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Final Fantasy 7 rebirth is it a better version of kondor it's the same shit among many other

[01:35:50] [SPEAKER_02]: games so obviously rebirth has tons of mini games but that one does just come back intact you don't

[01:35:56] [SPEAKER_02]: have to play it it's optional but you know you know what I did because I wanted to see the story

[01:36:01] [SPEAKER_02]: stuff behind it I just turned the game down to easy and I just face rolled the controller

[01:36:06] [SPEAKER_02]: he just went it's so good kefir from the select and start podcast you know the one

[01:36:15] [SPEAKER_01]: that's much smarter than ours and oh ho did you do all your homework before coming on to our

[01:36:20] [SPEAKER_01]: show yeah so is there a game in development hell that your adamant will come out one day

[01:36:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think there is one I I mean honestly my answer would have been wu kong but as of this

[01:36:37] [SPEAKER_02]: recording it's coming out in a few days allegedly I'll believe it when it appears on the store

[01:36:44] [SPEAKER_02]: but yeah that's my answer but it's happening so I don't think I have one currently

[01:36:50] [SPEAKER_01]: you know if you asked me this a month ago I would have said not perfect dark but you know

[01:36:55] [SPEAKER_01]: here there they all were at the Microsoft carpet saying it still exists so what the

[01:37:00] [SPEAKER_01]: fuck do I know so so I'm gonna say be on good and evil two instead and the only reason I even

[01:37:07] [SPEAKER_01]: believe this at all is because they reissued the original just now I should also note I

[01:37:13] [SPEAKER_02]: don't think it will be good it can't be it can't be good how can it be good after all this time

[01:37:21] [SPEAKER_02]: it's not even a game like whatever it was over all these years doesn't even exist so in my opinion

[01:37:32] [SPEAKER_02]: john from the extra napkins podcast aka bernie lo-max on blue sky asks us in the tradition of

[01:37:39] [SPEAKER_02]: games like yo noid cool spot and mick kids what modern-day food item brand or mascot would make the best

[01:37:45] [SPEAKER_02]: shameless promotional video game man I I don't know you know when he asked this I thought of those

[01:37:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Xbox 360 games like there is a yaris game yeah there was a doritos game I don't remember what

[01:38:02] [SPEAKER_02]: you did in it I think it was just a shitty no those shitty racing game where you just

[01:38:06] [SPEAKER_02]: collected doritos instead of coins or whatever like Mario Kart yeah yaris was the free one where you

[01:38:12] [SPEAKER_01]: drove a futuristic yaris instead of you know driving a yaris yeah they did not forza that you just

[01:38:19] [SPEAKER_02]: drove like a weird little micro machines yaris obviously like sneak king is like the holy grail

[01:38:27] [SPEAKER_01]: right if you can call it that I think I wouldn't call it a grail in the way other people shout

[01:38:33] [SPEAKER_02]: for it I think you can get it for 10 bucks on eBay not how much it fucking costs just like in terms of

[01:38:39] [SPEAKER_02]: like you know like like promo promotional material in a video game promotional material yeah I guess so

[01:38:50] [SPEAKER_01]: none of the cool spots were ever given away people love cool spot cool cool spot is uh

[01:38:57] [SPEAKER_02]: it was a good one too but I'm trying to think if there's a current did they ever do anything with

[01:39:04] [SPEAKER_01]: like the teddy grand bears do we even still have those I mean we do but not on TV that's the thing

[01:39:09] [SPEAKER_01]: like they're still on the box okay they're all shy and away from mascots that's that's what made

[01:39:15] [SPEAKER_02]: this question hard to answer yeah it's tough yeah see we're sitting here talking about old ones

[01:39:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like as soon as we stop recording I'll think of one but I wanted to have this

[01:39:24] [SPEAKER_02]: question here anyway even though I don't really have an answer just because I think it's interesting

[01:39:28] [SPEAKER_02]: that we don't really have that kind of mascot e-ness well I do have a sort of cheat answer because

[01:39:36] [SPEAKER_01]: it's an old mascot we're still using Tony the tiger he's out here still presenting himself as a

[01:39:43] [SPEAKER_01]: paragon of athleticism while peddling some very sugary cereal so you know it's only very

[01:39:51] [SPEAKER_01]: appropriate that he headlight a bunch of very arcadey sports titles remember they made Tony

[01:39:56] [SPEAKER_02]: the tiger a twitter account and the furries went fucking ballistic oh my god they were the comments

[01:40:03] [SPEAKER_02]: were fucking walking they even the account even tweeted like hey we're glad everyone's having

[01:40:11] [SPEAKER_02]: fun with the account but remember uh kids might read this too so be sure to keep it be sure to

[01:40:17] [SPEAKER_02]: keep your comments great or whatever he said but that didn't stop anybody oh man you know in the end

[01:40:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd stick digital clips on like you know an ice hockey any estuary make but with Tony the tiger

[01:40:33] [SPEAKER_01]: because you know they're more than good they're great Tommy Reynking on twitter asks us hello fine

[01:40:43] [SPEAKER_01]: time hey Tommy how's it going hey what city would you describe as the video game capital of the world

[01:40:49] [SPEAKER_01]: please discuss and then open this other tweet revealing the which city has this official distinction

[01:40:55] [SPEAKER_01]: of video game capital of the world then give us your thoughts on that that's not a question Tommy

[01:41:03] [SPEAKER_02]: it's not a question at all that's why I love it um okay I'm gonna answer his question though

[01:41:10] [SPEAKER_02]: the video game capital of the world is new donk city yes it's a real city and yes you really have

[01:41:16] [SPEAKER_02]: streets called you know uh rambi avenue stuff okay it's real it's real to me god damn it

[01:41:24] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah man I don't have a real answer to this question either like how can you have a capital of a thing

[01:41:32] [SPEAKER_02]: the capital of the world I just told you new donk city if that's not a video

[01:41:35] [SPEAKER_01]: a real capital of the thing it is real I just told you it's real okay right new dog city well of

[01:41:43] [SPEAKER_02]: course it is what was I thinking all right we have one more question from Kevin from the fine

[01:41:52] [SPEAKER_02]: time podcast don't ever listen to fine time Jesus Christ bunch of assholes oh my god sounds like

[01:41:59] [SPEAKER_02]: shit stupid music they play dumb they just laugh and just giggle giggly girl radio that's what I

[01:42:06] [SPEAKER_02]: call fine time and then they take a shower I'm fucking believable it's disgusting man they just think

[01:42:11] [SPEAKER_02]: they're so funny and it's just like whatever Kevin from that show fine time asks us if you were given

[01:42:17] [SPEAKER_02]: direct control over what sega is working on and releasing for the next five years including new

[01:42:24] [SPEAKER_02]: games or retro throwbacks products like the genesis mini whatever you want what would you

[01:42:30] [SPEAKER_02]: develop this is a very good question very good because sega is the most directionless

[01:42:37] [SPEAKER_02]: old company that we have right like we can talk shit about konami or whoever else at least they

[01:42:43] [SPEAKER_02]: have a thing and they're sticking to their thing I don't what is sega I don't know it used to take

[01:42:51] [SPEAKER_02]: ages but wow who was even gonna get that beside okay like then thought that was funny okay

[01:42:58] [SPEAKER_02]: congratulations you just made him laugh as long as I make someone laugh on this show

[01:43:03] [SPEAKER_02]: um you go first I because this is a toughie for me sort of but go ahead it's tough it was it's

[01:43:09] [SPEAKER_01]: tough for me too but with all the other things they are doing right now I'm just saying fuck it

[01:43:13] [SPEAKER_01]: it's time for the open world skies of Arcadia sequel doing a traditional jrpg sequel I say

[01:43:19] [SPEAKER_01]: traditional but I mean a traditional follow-up to what that first game was Andre keeps pointing

[01:43:25] [SPEAKER_01]: out you can't do that anymore and I agree you cannot so I say we make the game into a

[01:43:31] [SPEAKER_01]: where you're a skyfaring privateer who may or may not be related to the old cast and just piss off

[01:43:37] [SPEAKER_01]: the hierarchy or just piss off with all that main plot garbage and build a trading empire or go

[01:43:43] [SPEAKER_01]: treasure hunting you know one of those games where you just get lost in the sky and do sky

[01:43:49] [SPEAKER_02]: pirate shit that sounds very appealing I love sky pirate shit and with today's graphic spec

[01:43:58] [SPEAKER_02]: you could really make that shit saying I would love to I can see the I can see the volumetric

[01:44:04] [SPEAKER_02]: clouds right now honestly flying through them shits unless they make it a switch to game in which

[01:44:10] [SPEAKER_02]: well that's that's a waste of opportunity right but if they put it on a real system

[01:44:15] [SPEAKER_02]: and spec it for a real system that shit could look really good I okay I think Sega really needs to

[01:44:25] [SPEAKER_02]: establish Sonic as a thing you can rely on I understand they haven't had that for 20 years

[01:44:36] [SPEAKER_02]: but I think the problem is in order for Sega to do anything else including the concept you

[01:44:41] [SPEAKER_02]: just talked about Sonic has to be the bedrock of everything they need that steady cash flow

[01:44:48] [SPEAKER_02]: that's the problem with Sega nowadays they don't have any fucking money if people could like truly

[01:44:55] [SPEAKER_02]: trust Sonic again and not like every year being a toss up okay is this gonna be good

[01:45:02] [SPEAKER_02]: or not every year I think that would give them the funds to make a new console no I don't

[01:45:09] [SPEAKER_02]: think they're gonna make a new console I think that is never happening but Andre other than actually

[01:45:13] [SPEAKER_01]: making a good Sonic game all the time haha is there really more to it than that I think yeah

[01:45:22] [SPEAKER_02]: because I don't know okay well what what else could Sega do to have that kind of steady cash

[01:45:28] [SPEAKER_02]: flow to make a true profit every year if not Sonic I feel like they they've ruined or haven't

[01:45:36] [SPEAKER_02]: done anything else with all their other stuff in so long that that other stuff doesn't matter

[01:45:41] [SPEAKER_02]: yet the game awards last year they did announce that initiative hey we're bringing back these things

[01:45:46] [SPEAKER_02]: but those may not be what they're cracked up to be right and even if they are I don't know man

[01:45:52] [SPEAKER_02]: that appeals to people like us Sonic is a crazy taxi yeah Sonic appeals to everybody so

[01:46:00] [SPEAKER_02]: they just need to establish the bedrock of Sonic we could we could trust that in the 90s

[01:46:05] [SPEAKER_02]: we can't trust that anymore Sonic needs to be money literally and figuratively well look at you

[01:46:12] [SPEAKER_01]: like really really answering the question and thinking about the future there I know sorry

[01:46:17] [SPEAKER_02]: God God forbid and I know I'm saying that because I'm a Sonic guy but like I really do think it's

[01:46:22] [SPEAKER_02]: true you know I mean we can trust Mario to be good we need to trust Sonic to be good too we

[01:46:30] [SPEAKER_02]: have to otherwise the whole thing just doesn't work and that's why Sega does not work nowadays

[01:46:36] [SPEAKER_01]: so how many of Sonic's animal friends do we shove into a blender until that happens

[01:46:42] [SPEAKER_01]: what's Sonic character would taste the best and why is it knuckles

[01:46:48] [SPEAKER_01]: knuckles and not that green parrot that's in the surfboard games snowboard

[01:46:54] [SPEAKER_02]: it's

[01:46:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Sonic fans are mad at you boy let me tell you yeah come at me Sonic fans all of you

[01:47:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I would already just said uh you know all those games aren't so great you think I played all of them

[01:47:11] [SPEAKER_02]: clearly not oh man read the part on that note I think we should get the fuck out of here

[01:47:18] [SPEAKER_02]: we said enough thanks for joining us for this nice mailbag everybody the summer mailbag

[01:47:24] [SPEAKER_02]: sorry you've had another lazy summer show but hey that's that's July and August right there isn't

[01:47:29] [SPEAKER_02]: much coming out but around the corner here God what do we have at the end of the month Steve

[01:47:34] [SPEAKER_02]: we have Emil the smiling man Famicom Detective Club and Vision Zamanoh holy shit I mean obviously

[01:47:40] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah but isn't gamescom soon oh man we'll see oh yeah gamescom hopefully usually something

[01:47:47] [SPEAKER_02]: cool happens there something has some of the top some of the chew on I sure hope so for the sake

[01:47:53] [SPEAKER_02]: of the topics an hour and 45 minutes on gamescom 2024 next big deal uh check the description

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[01:48:08] [SPEAKER_04]: catch you next time it is has been five