Card Games RANKED: Hearthstone, Gwent, Pokemon, Marvel SNAP!

[00:00:29] Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of The Elder Trolls Gaming Podcast if you are new and joining us, we are three brothers who get together and talk about gaming.

[00:00:43] We also talk tech, TV, movies, nerdy things, other geeky nerdy things too but first let us introduce ourselves I am take it easy you, John, and with me my two co-hosts, nasty Nate here and Dan Dough the Wise.

[00:01:00] That's right now viewers and listeners I should say this week's episode if you are a fan of Marvel, if you are a fan of the Witcher, if you are a fan of Warcraft and Pokemon we have a show today that you may find interesting.

[00:01:18] We will be discussing online deck building card games, free to play I may add that being Hearthstone Heroes of Warcraft, Pokemon the Trading Card Game Online, Marvel SNAP and The Witchers Gwent.

[00:01:34] We are going to kind of agree on a rating for five different categories at the scores up and we shall see who is dubbed the victor and I must say we will be interesting to see Dan Dough's thoughts as someone brand new into the genre.

[00:01:53] He has never played these games before and now I would say that is who this episode may be geared towards. Would you agree? Yes, I would call myself a non-intrusious slash beginner. A non-intrusious. All right well but that being said what is up my British?

[00:02:09] What is up my British? Jillian? Well everyone, I just want to say tomorrow is Chinese New Year so happy New Year to everyone who's celebrating that. I will be celebrating tomorrow and you know what comes with that guys. Mooncakes.

[00:02:26] Yes and don't clean your house or throw any garbage. I celebrate Chinese New Year every day then. For the really big die hards don't shower for a week. Perfect great. Really? I can do that. I'm just right but in yourself really. I'm out.

[00:02:46] So the thing about that is it's like you if you clean your house you're cleaning all the luck away from that year. So this year I need a little bit more luck so I'm going to be a lot more vigilant on not cleaning. Not cleaning. Lucky lucky.

[00:03:07] So I was playing with the dogs in the backyard and while I play with the dogs I don't put Finn on a leash I can watch him and I can see him right.

[00:03:19] And then I'm like oh shit it's snowing and there's probably like a foot of snow on the driveway should go clean that up real quick. So usually I can get the driveway done in about five minutes and then I'm back to playing with the dogs in the backyard.

[00:03:33] So I go up front and I'm shoveling the snow on my holy fuck this is more than I thought. And there's like this little thin layer of ice that keeps getting my shovel stuck and it brings me down to like maybe ten minutes.

[00:03:47] I'm cleaning the driveway for so I'm almost done no I was actually finished. I'm finished the driveway and I put the shovels away and then I see these little yippy dogs coming down the street.

[00:03:58] Oh my gosh shit I better go make sure that Finn hasn't escaped the backyard. While I'm walking up the driveway I hear the dogs barking behind me. Okay because I was heading towards the backyard to make sure Finn was still in the backyard

[00:04:17] and then I hear them barking and then the guy's like oh hello doggy I'm like what and I turn around and fucking Finn is there in front of your in front of the on the road with these little yippy dogs and he's like staring down as a guy.

[00:04:30] Yeah he just escaped the back and I'm like Finn what's so I go to get Finn. And he's being a good pop he's like sniffing he's saying hello. And then the woman because she gets nervous it's always the humans that fuck this up.

[00:04:52] She gets nervous and scoops the dog off the floor off the ground right because she's nervous that Finn's gonna attack. And the moment she scoops him off the ground the other dog starts yapping and barking

[00:05:05] and jumping and barking and then Finn's like and then like pins this dog down I'm like fucks six. So then I fucking grab Finn and I'm like pulling up the driveway I'm like sorry guys he's

[00:05:16] escaping the backyard the clasp on the leash must have been crazy open he's like oh she opens the fucking gate runs out but the guys like oh no that's not his problem.

[00:05:27] The dogs were barking at him as a call fuck I thought you were gonna say kill as you're walking up the driveway you heard like a bullet like just right by you. See I'm like this white boy sneak because what I'm walking up the driveway I can

[00:05:46] see the house right I can see the house I can see the hedges where he would have escaped on the left I can see it but he must have escaped and while I was

[00:05:57] turning to see the house he must have went oh my god is hilarious fucking little bastard God that was huck if that was huck those two dogs would be dead. Yeah that was a fucking dead nice oh my gosh so how'd you feel last night there

[00:06:20] Nate played some hockey my back my I was playing some hockey and then like halfway through the game I was like nap I could feel the tension on my back really just because

[00:06:32] I didn't get to stretch because I had to get my mouth guard ready I had to find all my gear like I was all on scramble before I left I didn't get the stretch so halfway

[00:06:41] through the game I could feel my back like tensioning up and I was like fuck so I went back to the and I played D for like half the game so I didn't have to really

[00:06:49] I played D to go I actually like I never played D and actually like I can't in the whole ice you know from the back side is it's cool yeah I can't really I

[00:07:00] can't escape backwards properly I just do like the I just do like the C cuts the C's I don't do that crossover like pro stuff I just do the C's yeah that was fun

[00:07:11] it was fun I didn't play in like two months yeah yeah man that was brutal after eating a bunch of Chinese food oh god I thought that was tonight no well we went yesterday

[00:07:22] with her cousins with Almas cousins oh my god to to the Chinese restaurant oh I had good Chinese in a while oh it was so good though oh like their crispy beef oh of course I can't hold that's like the only full fucking plate like Chinese

[00:07:37] restaurant food that I like it's crispy beef I think what oh where did you go about the crispy one of the crispy egg noodles and it's got like the chicken in it I love that shit dude like crispy beef and like Sichuan anything

[00:07:50] Sichuan is fucking delicious all right well what do you say we get into this let's throw it over to a quick game time and then we're gonna get into our main topic here okay so we're gonna go over this quick because I don't think other than there are

[00:08:18] topic games we've been playing much but what have you guys been playing lately Dan just just card games it's only been card games guys that's all I really have to report and you're gonna hear about it when we get into today's topic okay what about you nasty I

[00:08:33] think me nasty discovered one game that we both kind of been yeah just dick and or I don't know how we how yeah how do we pop around I thought of YouTube it was like

[00:08:41] what the fuck is this okay like some random because you know Pam has been watching all these Pokemon card videos and she just has it playing all the time there's like playing and then

[00:08:51] the suggested videos there we go that's the algorithm hard at work but yeah once you explain so it's called Poke MM oh we jumped into and it's a fan-made mod based on the Pokemon

[00:09:10] Black and White games for DS right for DS and what they did is they made a whole MMo where people can join each other and make parties and groups and like there's a whole community about it

[00:09:26] based on the Pokemon Black and White game is it also not based on like other games there's five N wrongs you need so they use the base ROM for Pokemon Black and White for the actual game that's

[00:09:39] the ROM that you have to have installed to run it then there's optional ROMs that you can add onto it that'll add cosmetics and items and stuff to the game which are Pokemon Heart and Gold

[00:09:55] the emerald soul silver so you add these other ROMs on and it gives you like certain things for that game so to get your Pokemon to follow you around you need to add Heart and Gold okay that's

[00:10:10] okay yeah and it adds that kind of feature to it's just that kind of stuff like you can play with everyone else with just the one ROM with the Black and White but it's just like little things

[00:10:20] that you can add on oh I guess I've had any of the optional stuff I'll have to do that I do have all the ROMs but that game it's pretty cool the graphics are they're pretty sweet and I haven't

[00:10:32] running on my phone with my phone controller so it's just it's exactly like having like a little little pocket MMO in my hand yeah it's cool because you can switch your start it's hard yeah you

[00:10:43] can choose your starting area though which is also cool it's not just like you can choose the canto region which is like the original starting area yeah or I think there's four different

[00:10:54] starting areas and I guess the game is not is like made up of all these different areas so you can actually complete the pocket X from all of them I guess right and do all of the stuff

[00:11:06] while keeping all your Pokemon which is crazy so I don't know how how that works like them might be like what if you have like a level hundred fucking Pokemon from like the first area

[00:11:20] and you go to the next area you just blast through everything with that like is there like a reset or something I wonder how that works I haven't gotten that far I might scale they may they may have

[00:11:31] scaled it or maybe you can't use those Pokemon in that area I don't know I'd be interesting I don't remember it being this hard like I've got no money I can't buy any pokeballs to catch any

[00:11:43] fucking Pokemon so I'm looking for trainers to battle and I've only found like two usually they're like the roots running after you and bothering you every two seconds or yeah but I only found two

[00:11:54] two well then you're not far enough you gotta go to the next place yeah so I got to the second city and I've just been leveling up my Pokemon because yeah you can find them shitty yeah

[00:12:07] that's what I've been doing and a little bit of a little bit more monster hunter stories too which is a matter of 20 hours I think I'm about halfway through it's pretty good man

[00:12:20] I'm liking a lot there's that little cat guy that follows me around my little partner he's fucking awesome he's like he's like he's like he's super funny and the way he his like facial expressions during

[00:12:31] the cutscenes are they kill me every time he's like stuff that I would do that we did play Halo we we streamed Halo for like almost three hours we still didn't beat it

[00:12:46] you got pretty close though do you people if you people join us there on on YouTube I guess I'm gonna try to make a compilation video of it so if you missed it you can

[00:12:56] I'll try to make something funny and mock it up but put it all together but we'll see haven't gone through it all yet um I guess I think one more session we should be able to do

[00:13:06] we have two more chapters after nine and ten to yeah and then we will yeah have completed Halo a cooperative Halo that's cool that's cool though that we we did that if we get if we

[00:13:21] could and the story and the story got really cool actually yeah I just don't like how they just make you run around for hours pointlessly you know what I mean why you get lost I got lost

[00:13:34] all the time where am I going and we just do the same thing like you fight the same guys like they just make you do it like as as like busy work and then and then you finally get to the

[00:13:46] end it like well you get anyway stay tuned for that hopefully it'll only be like a little 10 minute video just like the last ones if you haven't seen the last ones go check them out they're very

[00:13:57] funny they're on our channel it's just the Halo Noobs Halo Halo Noobs play through part one and two are up there and they're funny so check them out I laughed pretty hard whenever you guys Jonathan

[00:14:13] you queues Nathaniel of killing the that civilian guy that are the marine who was on your side who had a family and home a family hunter like you dumbass he's like just opens a door and there's

[00:14:26] one of our guys there and there was like oh there's a kill him fanels a little jumpy he's a little trigger happy yeah especially especially in that play through there was a lot more jumps because

[00:14:39] the the the flood yeah the flood okay well Daned off I believe you had something you wanted to share with us a little fact toy that you weren't able to share last episode what the hell are you talking

[00:14:54] about let's hear it get this get this this may be a tale is old as time but it's news to me so have you boys heard of this myth i'm gonna call it a myth that playstation one games can be inserted

[00:15:08] into CD players and used to listen to some of the music tracks featured in whichever game disc you inserted no I did not know that did you hear you never will have tracks well i bet sounds vaguely familiar

[00:15:20] okay uh because i've been reading forums and stuff and i was wondering if you guys had ever tried it so i'm guessing the answers no i think i might have i'm sure i have like back in the day i would always think like

[00:15:33] oh this is a playstation CD what happens if i put it in my computer you know what happens right i'm sure i can see that happening so that's why i asked then oh finish yours finish

[00:15:45] effect what was that i was gonna say some forum users say it's bullshit because they've tried it however they may have only simply tried discs that don't feature music tracks whereas some have now

[00:15:57] there's a list of like compatible discs that are there's a forum with a list and there's a ton of them like there's things like the things that we've seen are a doom on playstation one a

[00:16:10] tally in job just a massive nightmare of it just one track monster rancher do you remember if you guys remember that i was gonna i was gonna bring that up that was why i was

[00:16:22] pointing my hand right pointing my finger yeah do you remember that game where you could take you could load the game up and uh because in the game monster rancher you'd go and find these monsters

[00:16:33] right and you have the disc and you go and get any disc in the house you could do and yes disc yes and you take the disc you take the monster rancher CD out of your playstation you put this

[00:16:45] this is your monster and it'll read it and it'll give you a monster based on that disc yeah yeah yeah yeah i do really yeah and then you then you swap the disc back so you can start playing again

[00:16:54] and you'll have like actually wow i'd like that was fucking awesome yeah that was sick i do really like so that was uh that's a few of them on this forum list so some of these people

[00:17:04] who are saying it's bullshit who haven't experienced it just haven't put in those CDs so they just buy chance happened to not find out whether it would work but monster rancher yeah i forgot all

[00:17:15] about that franchise that's yeah that's blast from the past anyway that was it i i think thrillhouse showed me and i was like what well if anyone listening has some spare PlayStation CDs

[00:17:27] chuck them in your CD player and let's see it might as snow that being said also if you could give us a rating and review on Spotify Apple and like the video if you're if you're watching

[00:17:37] on youtube right now you like that video right now all right well should we get into the main topic it's uh it's gonna be a good one let me let me wet my whistle before i start this one to

[00:18:02] me a lot of talking okay well we're gonna be talking about today is a few online card games and what they're all about and our impressions on each we're gonna be going through five categories for

[00:18:17] each game and hopefully agreeing on a score out of ten for each category then the total sum of each category score will be the total score for that game which we can do some fancy maths and

[00:18:27] turn into a percentage per cent per hundred that means per hundred because we all know how good it math we are after um trying to figure out what the percentage of people had to see if these

[00:18:37] james that happened once okay okay the games we are talking about will be blizzard's hard stone heroes of warcraft gwent from the wichir polka mons polka mons trading card game online and marvell

[00:18:55] snap recently released in the last couple months there let's get into it what do we start with first what do you want to start with first year marvell snap okay let's talk about marvell marvell snap

[00:19:09] okay marvell snap is a free to play online player versus player deck building card game from 2022 it is by new verse second dinner studios they've heard them but it includes cards all of your favorite marvell super heroes and super villains and it's available on steam and mobile platforms

[00:19:30] this is also brought to you by the previous game designer of heart stone ben boi den roe interesting no brode ben brode cool as we're he he was on the original team of heart stone and then he

[00:19:44] quit blizzard and started this one alright well the gameplay let's start with the gameplay marvell snap uses a play area that has three locations that you play heroes or villains from your hand

[00:20:01] heroes are villains from the marvell comic book universe of various power levels and the player with the most combined power on two out of three of the locations at the end of the game which is turn six

[00:20:12] well win the cards have various abilities that can change the power levels in dramatic fashion so it can be difficult to guess what's gonna happen you can build your own decks or choose from a

[00:20:24] couple of pre-built decks the match time what would you guys say about the match time very fast games very fast well I loved it it's only a total six turns right sometimes seven if there's a

[00:20:35] card that that that determines like there's a seventh turn there are those I have seen I would say that it's probably the fastest match game we have in our collection today on the show very very little time commitment in and out quick and easy fun good story let's

[00:20:51] call it marvell snap I'm assuming that's like the is it no I thought it was like snapping you got a snap in the game which we'll talk about but good for toy let play yay or nay yeah definitely yeah definitely definitely you could literally pick this game up

[00:21:12] and play a match while you're taking a piss and be finished I might be a long time don't I mean I could I take long piss don't drop your phone in the toilet yeah

[00:21:22] okay well what do you like about the gameplay so we'll start actually with Daniel slots we're going to get the the new guy the new fresh perspective on on this and then mean the final as seasoned card players

[00:21:36] will build our our opinion after Daniel what do you think all right well as the non enthusiasts as you guys know the casual beginner I used like just the basic starter deck they give you

[00:21:48] I didn't change it much maybe one card it allowed me to kind of test the waters and jump in but I really loved obviously like we said the match time the cool little animations and the visual effects

[00:22:02] when playing the cards like I loved that each character did its own little thing according to that character like punishers shoots his machine guns when you draw ironman's special ability was really cool because he'd like doubles the power of your total points at that location and you

[00:22:18] see his little energy core like animation around your total power icon which was super cool it's not difficult to win like I want a bunch I tried a couple PvP matches

[00:22:30] and yes they were a PvP for sure because they were that default like avatar icon and like a weird gamer tag so I've played against PvP and I won so it grant some confidence for the beginner at the

[00:22:43] early stages which is nice um I think it's fantastic for toilet play I think it's probably our toilet play winner for today and I'm gonna score it in 8 out of 10 and the match time really deals

[00:22:56] the extra points there because it's just such a nice easy commitment okay cool okay so 8 out of 10 all right we got an 8 out of 10 from the end I like it a lot again purely because of the speed of the

[00:23:10] game um like you said but the randomness not knowing what the other two bases are going to be at the beginning and just deciding where to play your minions and then they screw you over sometimes like you

[00:23:22] can't play minions on that base during whatever turn so if you didn't play like you couldn't miss it or it shuffles rocks into your deck like what the hell is that there's a lot of guess

[00:23:33] work in the playing this game my feel even even in the later game you basically are just guessing where your opponent is gonna play like for the win if your if it comes down to the last turn but

[00:23:44] but if like if you just want to hop in and don't want to snap like a needle care about climbing the ladder and grinding the ladder you don't have to snap so it's kind of fun it's just you know

[00:23:53] quick easy like like they said I give it a 7 7 out of 10 really what about you um I love Marvel snap uh the gameplay is easy it's short it's not a lot to learn that's what I like most about

[00:24:08] it is the cards there's no bullshit on your cards right you're not a fucking novel I have to read yes yes I'm not a game just came out use wait no no because it's all going to be on the

[00:24:20] on the locations right so there's just your power and your energy and six turns and the locations are what make each game kind of different right now what you're saying before you don't know the

[00:24:32] other locations there is a card you can put in your deck to see the other locations so there are ways to play around that it's a lot of bluffing there's a lot of bluffing that goes on in this game

[00:24:42] also the deck size is tiny compared to the other ones in our list here there's only like 10 what is it 12 cards and this is this is where it separates the lobes like the noobs from the

[00:24:56] the good players is if you know all the meta decks right and you know the road to success for each one of those decks it will make bluffing your opponent easier and find out what they're planning on playing

[00:25:12] by like the second turn because you only have six turns to try to get that success that it's only 12 cards and the end game pretty sure there's something it's very short it's very small

[00:25:25] well that's because there aren't that many rounds though isn't there isn't that why there's so 12 cards in the deck yeah right so it's compared to the other games it's easier to know or to

[00:25:36] try to guess what your opponent is trying to do and to play against that so for that and for the toilet match side or the match length and all that kind of stuff I'm going to give

[00:25:50] Marvel snap gameplay in 9 at a time wow okay okay so then we have an average score of 8 for gameplay boom okay up next is gonna be the learning curve um Dan what do you say about the learning curve

[00:26:06] um frankly was easy I really had no questions asked at least my limited experience with the game this week uh card abilities aren't long and confusing like Nathaniel said I'm not reading a novel every time

[00:26:18] I'm playing cards pretty easy to understand location control via total power for two of three locations the super easy to grasp concept wise the starter deck comes with usable useful cards that actually

[00:26:31] help you win even as a new which is an important thing to note you're not going madness decks sucks I need to already change it you're using it pretty practically at first um so I jumped in

[00:26:44] with no hesitation and no confusion with like spidey speed reflexes so I'm giving the learning curve at 10 out of 10 snap will have you feeling like an avenger no turn all right Nate do you

[00:27:01] with a 10 a 10 on the learning to agree with the 10 well I'm very close um everyone in their mother can fucking play this game it's simple to start but later on to really get those wins you're

[00:27:14] going to have to think and you're going to have to outbluff and outthink your opponent and figure that stuff out so by the time you get to like gold or what's after gold to platinum I think

[00:27:26] that's when I started really having to take my entire turn to kind of figure out what my my opponent's going to do um so it gets a little bit harder than I played in the beta so I played before

[00:27:40] it hit the Google Play Store and then I played a lot of bots like I was just playing a lot of bots at the beginning so Daniel you may not have actually but no I played bots for

[00:27:51] all of bronze all of silver I think I did lots and it was only until I got to gold that I actually started playing in the beta yeah probably yeah yeah yeah because everyone was already

[00:28:04] blasted through the bots um but I was able to like really practice against the bots there so that was pretty nice the games are quick it's actually it's it's a super easy game to learn so I'm

[00:28:17] going to give it a 9 at 10 for learning curve all right we've got a 10 and 9 this is good because that's why I'm here that's why you guys are here you know again I said with my limited experience

[00:28:29] if I do play the game longer yeah maybe even get a little harder but to jump right in I gotta say pretty simple anyway all right I am also going to give it a 9 at a 10 so we got a 9 at 10 at a 9

[00:28:41] what's the average of that so I'm going to do the math 9 and a half are we doing through points just round down go to all right that's a 9 total that's a total of 9 all right next we're going

[00:28:56] to talk about the collection we're going to talk about unlocking cards um unlocking cards in this game is as easy as just playing which gradually increases your collection score and you can claim

[00:29:07] new cards as you level up your collection score or the battle pass right you can also buy cards with real dollars if you want now Dan or what do you think about the collection system like or not like

[00:29:20] did you get any new cards I think it was I did I think it was fine I looked through the menus the the collection tree um that appears pretty straightforward and not dissimilar to a lot of other games

[00:29:33] we have in our deck builder showcase today you play matches to unlock and upgrade your cards so like you get frame break and 3D versions of your cards right for instance which is on a steady yes

[00:29:46] which is really cool but they need the need visuals kind of accompany these rarity tiers right so you get from uncommon you go from uncommon to rare to epic and I think there's like ultra or something

[00:29:57] after that the gold uh upgrading cards with credits awards collection points which allow you to level up and unlock the cards in the collection tree so it seems fine because I mean you're just going to play

[00:30:09] and unlock all these cards and and you can obviously have other means to acquire them but what's really cool is I think there's a bonus here when combining collection with match time right because

[00:30:21] with such fast games collections easy and achievable at least it seems like from the outset so with that being said I'm going to have to give it a 9 oh wow okay interesting now

[00:30:37] this is where I think our opinions may differ let me explain the collection in this game isn't great but it is adorable you only get a new card every 8 collection levels like that's

[00:30:54] not good it doesn't it's not very fast to go up 8 collection levels there's no packs you're only getting cards every 8 levels you get one card or if you have the premium battle pass you get I think

[00:31:09] you get card rewards in that or your buying cards with real money one card I think you can only buy like one card with real money so I played a lot of this game and I don't have that many cards

[00:31:22] you know what I mean so I I'm only giving this a 6 out of 10 for a uh collection what maybe I'm confused because like when you start off you get like bonus stuff maybe that's

[00:31:35] what threw me yeah it's just like it definitely slows down yeah it's stuff but that's the point right that's bite is yeah but just not ripping packs you can't rip packs give me some

[00:31:44] fucking packs yeah yeah let me talk about this it is the one game that doesn't seem to be after your wallet too much you know it gets you hooked with the easy learning and the fun gameplay which

[00:31:57] makes you want to keep grinding those collection levels I believe you are put up against people with the same collection level or in and around the same collection level so you can get to that

[00:32:09] collection level it's just how much you play which I like it is the better collection mechanic for free to play games because you can't just buy your wins in the game right like you can't buy

[00:32:21] 400 packs of cards and rip them all open right and then dust all the ones that you have to create the meta defining card that rips people to shreds you know what I mean the only thing I

[00:32:34] don't care about in the collection these cards there's snow like rarity there's snow doesn't it doesn't does that make sense like I'm not opening cards and getting a ridiculously OP legendary card that stumps everyone it's kind of takes the fun out of collection collect yeah

[00:32:51] and it yes exactly that's exactly what i'm trying so it kind of takes that fun away from opening that card pack and so I don't get that dopamine fix that I do in her stone or

[00:33:01] or pokemon right and that's what kind of hurt this one for me I understand what they're doing with the collection levels and stuff like that and it's cool but as a collecting card game I want

[00:33:12] to open packs so i'm going to give this collection in eight at a time all right we got a nine we got eight and we got a six that's a total for eight on the collection for marbles snap next we're

[00:33:24] going to move on to the artwork and off the wise what do you think about the artwork yeah this is funny because unfortunately for snap I got to say so far with the hours that I have it's a couple

[00:33:40] hours playing it's nothing I haven't seen before in terms of artwork the graphic novel style super heroes it's nothing a right ant may about I mean you've seen we've seen them a lot before that style

[00:33:53] the poses are pretty on point though marbles always has really cool poses so i'm giving it bonus points for that i'm going to have to score marbles snap a seven at a ten for artwork

[00:34:05] okay that innate what do you think um i i i like that a lot um the artwork on these cards and the cosmetic upgrades you get and the tilting of your phone it really brings that in so i'm

[00:34:20] always like tilting my phone and shit oh that's cool is really cool an important thing to note here is i'm also playing on pc for every one of these games that's a damned off disclaimer i'm playing

[00:34:31] on pc for everyone these games so i may not have the mobile component that's cool though every card every card is wonderfully done they all have different versions like the pixel art or

[00:34:41] the cartoony art and all that kind of stuff and if you can get a full collection or like say you're playing a deck of twelve cards and you get all the cards and like the pixel art that's

[00:34:50] fucking sick and i also like comic book art stuff and they really nailed it with all the characters they all look like one person drew it kind of well be all this in hearts yeah they're very

[00:35:04] consistent in my in my eyes maybe Jonathan's got a little bit more experience with that but i found it more consistent than harsh stones artwork i can get the artwork and eight out of

[00:35:15] ten yes well um the artwork is great in my opinion uh it's comic book art i love comic book art like the anal said action shot like the poses are good but there's no like

[00:35:28] cameo's by other characters in in a card you know what it's just that one personal the time like there's no like hero fighting a villain or something uh you know i mean so it's very

[00:35:39] focused on the one one character which is fine but maybe more could have been done and they know you mentioned the they are consistent because it's only like a handful of artists that did I think

[00:35:50] all the cards and i think there's one guy who was the colorist on almost every single card so that's why okay okay they all make sense um i did think of that but it would have been sweet if they

[00:36:04] had a few cards with like classic art from from the comics you know like Todd McFarling the Todd father spider man or something like that in vena that would have been fucking sick

[00:36:16] they got to have been so sweet but it's just kind of like that might come well maybe get the Todd father in there you know the first appearance of venom was Todd McFarling in like mid 80s oh

[00:36:28] wasn't yeah i think it was uh spider man issues three oh one amazing spider man i think something like that epic epic so Todd McFarling invented venom you know i don't know if you guys

[00:36:41] know that little tip it for me i didn't know wow really sense i guess because he's like a creature like he's like a monster it's like the coolest and he's like my favorite fucking character yeah

[00:36:49] and he has zero rights to him because he was working for marphel yeah that's actually so so um i'm gonna give it a eight and a ten as well after all that but yeah so we got a seven

[00:37:03] we got a eight and an eight okay so we're rounding down that's a total of seven seven out of ten for the artwork that's fine that's that's fine that's fine that's fine that's fine all right what about the interface let's talk about the interface

[00:37:21] Dan Dolph the Wise what do you think about the interface the UI guys for me this is where a lot of games plummet in the point department and doesn't matter what game i'm playing but this is unanimous

[00:37:34] among most of the games feature today for me on the show where you might be scored lower i'm never crazy about tree systems and overwhelming menus but marvel snap isn't bad after going through them

[00:37:49] the in-game uh UI was actually really unencumbered so i didn't have a problem with that at all it was really easy uh but it's more than menus it's not if we're gonna go into menus you know if

[00:38:01] you're trying to navigate look for your rewards look for your collection what okay what are my goals what are my daily's what are my challenges one example i saw was like the recruit season ranked

[00:38:10] rewards which is a mouthful already information is available in like two places you know there's one there's an icon to get to it beside the play button on the main screen and then there's the missions

[00:38:21] to have at the top so why not amalgamate that and you can just go to it in the one missions to have scroll down click the recruit season you know what i mean and like so it's just stuff like that i'm

[00:38:30] like why am i looking at here and here are the two different things it so there's a bit of confusion but all in all really not bad there wasn't i wasn't confused i wasn't other than that one little

[00:38:42] thing so it's one of the easier UI so i'll have to give it an eight out of ten okay nasty what do you say oh this interface fucking sucks fuck it sucks um it's so it's like it's so boring and it's like it literally looks like

[00:39:03] i handed them a draft and they're like print it like first first draft like it looks like they pulled off you know like the design of all the borders yeah like the border designs on all the

[00:39:16] icon it looks like they pulled that from like some online template i don't know it's template like a string i'm not gonna fly with me not gonna fly with me um the location of everything is good

[00:39:33] like it's there you can get to everything okay because when you're on your phone um like the tabs the tabs are pretty good but i agree with Daniel where they could have just put all that

[00:39:46] into the one tab and then scroll down like for like i do like how they have a collection tab though like i press a collection tab and i see the cards that i have okay and from there

[00:40:01] i can build my deck like that i'll give them but that's on the phone and you bring it on PC and it's just a massive phone on the PC right it's stupid yeah like it i was like interface

[00:40:14] six out of that like this i was like can i expand this no i give this one six out of there okay yeah i'm not a heat fan of vertical UI playing on places can't even it just looks like sorry

[00:40:27] you can't even move your phone like you can't do this and then it widened it you have to play yeah you have to play vertical even on PC which is just dumb did you just pour it over the mobile

[00:40:38] the me yeah i also give it a six six that's a total score of a seven Daniel raised in the average a little bit there i suppose make sense now let us put them all together and see what we get

[00:40:55] total score is a 78% that's a 39 out of 50 a 78% for Marvel snap there you have it let's move on next we're gonna talk about Pokemon the trading card game online Pokemon trading card game online

[00:41:10] is a free to play player versus player or player versus AI deck building card game developed by direwolf digital and published by the Pokemon company it has been around since 2011 it is of course based on the popular trading and collectible card game the game is on PC

[00:41:27] and mobile tablet platforms tablet only stop a little bit about the gameplay here well i'll try to summarize it as best again the play area consists of each player's active position their bench and their price cards at the start of the game before drawing your opening hand

[00:41:44] you draw and place six face down price cards on your map you place your Pokemon from your starting hand onto your bench and one into the active position the goal is to cycle through your deck

[00:41:57] and set up your Pokemon by evolving them and touching energy cards to them to satisfy the attack requirements and then try to knock out all of your opponents available Pokemon or claim your six

[00:42:07] price cards whichever comes first you get one prize card for knocking out a Pokemon two prize cards for knocking out a Pokemon with a rule box that specifies to take two price cards you can build your

[00:42:19] own decks or choose from a couple of themed decks that are provided to you let's talk about the match time there's a game clock timer of 25 minutes per player so your combined turns cannot take longer

[00:42:32] than that or you will automatically lose if your time hits zero you're done you're lost so what do you guys think of the match time toy let play yeah your nay

[00:42:41] yeah i would say it'd be tricky for me if the handful of matches that i've played it's been long and short in terms of match time it depends i think on what's being drawn and it's played right

[00:42:52] but but my first my first play i found the fire type deck was a bit stunted at least because I had just started playing I was like what the fuck are all these cards like and i wasn't i wasn't

[00:43:06] doing the damage and i didn't have like i don't know and and the match time i actually i'd lost the game because i was like on my phone dilly dialing and i didn't know there was a counter

[00:43:14] because i must have missed it in the tutorial and there's no counter on the screen you'd but i didn't find minutes it's just because i was like you're like messenger i think i'm not leaving you that i did not leave you

[00:43:27] unless it was because it was just one of the one of the like tutorial i challenge is or whatever so anyway yeah i lost one of them i had to redo it i was like shit wow okay then i switched what

[00:43:41] this lab we'll just talk about the gameplay here we'll talk about the gameplay match time is also is part of it but like it's not a toy like game we'll just say that

[00:43:50] yeah i definitely may on the toy like game but okay let's let's talk about the gameplay then what are you thoughts wait i want to i just want to sit on the match time oh yeah

[00:43:59] match time it's like your shits don't last as long as he's easy and if they do you got to stop before you get him right sit on that fucking toy you gotta see somebody about that

[00:44:11] anyway so in terms of gameplay i was a bit on underwhelmed with my first match because it was a bit long and un-adventful but i switched to electric deck and had a little bit more fun

[00:44:23] dealt a little bit more damage and then i dominated some trainer challenges matches with watertight deck which is called hidden depths at least the starter deck anyway with vaporion

[00:44:32] as my MVP really um i mean i had a lot of fun i had that the handful of matches that i've played against that it was mostly i think it was just the trainer a.i though because that's kind of

[00:44:41] had to get you to start um but again i had a lot of fun playing it and after mixing up with the deck types and seeing what was possible there's a bonus here for the a.i element just like

[00:44:53] hard stone will get there but it counts toward card collection the a.i which is nice and it's easy for somebody who's just kind of starting out so i'm gonna have to give it a nine at a ten for

[00:45:04] game play i had a lot of fun playing bokeh one okay i don't cool Nate what do you think yes it's fun like i think i played this one the most out of our little episode preparation

[00:45:18] but i don't know to be honest i don't know why i did this one the most because it's fun i think it's fun yeah the games are fucking long there's so long every game i played was over like 10

[00:45:32] every match the abilities on the cards will help you out tremendously so you got to make sure you're reading those um your trainer cards your opponent moves are also very important and make sure you're looking at the tools they're attaching and all this shit and that all

[00:45:50] that stuff keeps getting compounded and piled on to each other and i was just like uh and that's when it started to lose its fun for me and by the time like i was like had a couple of Pokemon on

[00:46:04] my ban shows again all that kind of stuff yeah it's fun the game matches too long i found there's too much stuff going on i i'd give this one a six out of ten oh wow

[00:46:18] wow a six out of ten oh well i don't know it's kind of weird maybe it's because you were playing ranked maybe ranked in the beta version um so you're getting a bit sweaty you're getting a bit

[00:46:40] sweaty matches there but i really like the Pokemon game because it does feel like you're playing like at a basic level you're playing the video game you know you got your ban you got you throw your active Pokemon out there and the battle you got weaknesses tight matching

[00:46:59] there's a good amount of strategy in the game saving your switches and your bosses i don't know if Daniel i don't know if the the theme decks have that but it does a boss that swaps your

[00:47:11] opponents act to Pokemon with one on their ban so you can choose which one they swap to so you can pound it and kill it so you know you got to choose when to use those when to save them

[00:47:24] one-shotting Pokemon feels good just as good as in the video games super effective or whatever you pound someone one-shot and kill it i like that the different card abilities set up your set

[00:47:36] up your ban just all that setting up your banch and a lot of the abilities are just cycling through your deck finding cards you need and putting them into play and that's what is important on a

[00:47:46] on a Pokemon card so all of the meta the meta decks have these Pokemon that are in there specifically not even to attack and use you use these Pokemon on your banch to set up your play that's the only

[00:47:58] point of them they don't go into the active slot ever um until you're ready no never there are sole purpose is to set up and cycle through your deck you don't put them in the active slot to use

[00:48:14] well if i've got my Pokemon that i've been digging for do you put him in on your bench get them set up and then put them out yeah yeah there are there are Pokemon that are like you put

[00:48:25] in play to kind of like decoind and kind of yeah yeah yeah the shitty guys but there are specific other ones that you have on your banch only to use their ability to draw cards yeah whatever

[00:48:35] yeah like you would never put them into active unless you absolutely need to do i'm going to give it a 8 at a 10 so we got 9-8-6 so that's rounded up to an 8 we got an 8 for gameplay all right let's

[00:48:50] let's move on to the learning curve down to what was the learning curve like i didn't have a lot of trouble it was relatively easy to pick up i mean there were some there were some snags i hit

[00:49:03] was like oh shit i made a mistake there and i have all the love to do better next time or whatever just a couple little things but nothing huge i can see i can't see beginners and non-enthusiast

[00:49:13] having much difficulty catching on um in my limited again limited experience at the game so far but it certainly seems to be one of one of the easier ones in our collection to play

[00:49:25] because it's a bit more new friendly i think i asked you to play in the wrong you just playing the wrong game mode but yeah that's just how i felt when i was playing the handful of matches i didn't

[00:49:38] seem you know the the card abilities aren't confusing and it seemed like it was easy enough to kind of just get a play going okay i know what i'm doing i'll try this et cetera so i'm going to have

[00:49:49] to give it a 9 at a 10 we got a 9 at a 10 from dand off the wise all right Nathan what's what you smirking about over there what do you say i found this look like you disagree too much it was too much

[00:50:04] like if you're going to play pokemon you're going to play pokemon you're not going to play you're not going to pick it up on the unlike maybe in a waiting office you know and play

[00:50:17] or on the shitter right like this is a game you sit down for an hour and a half and you knock out a bunch of matches because the match time isn't very shitter i played i was playing

[00:50:29] ranked i don't know what the hell you guys are playing what the fuck were you playing play casual no so i don't know and i was doing that lugio deck or whatever the hell it's fucking collugia

[00:50:38] beaster lugia lugia it was like a normal type deck and i didn't go through any tutorial for this deck so i didn't know what the fuck i was playing the take it off game dude i go through this

[00:50:55] and there's so much text on the fucking things and i had the abilities and all this stuff and to really understand the game i had to like go through like five matches to be like

[00:51:07] understand the deck i was playing okay and that's just a no let's just a no it's not gonna happen there's no like global ability like battle cry or then i'll death ride like we'll get into unharcisedo and so every card that you're trying to play

[00:51:27] doesn't have something that you can just be like oh i know this from another deck i played or i know this from like another card i played right they're all pretty different on the pokemon cards so my learning curve on this one was succeeded

[00:51:43] all right well let's explain this Nathan was playing the beta version which is a whole different game there is no tutorial there's no tutorial in this version there's nothing because because they expect you already know how to play if you're downloading the beta version for the new version

[00:52:04] so it's different you're playing ranked which is not a thing in the other there's no ranked mode in the other it's just a casual ladder you just play there's nothing is harder for

[00:52:13] nastinate for this particular game why are you just playing the theme should just be like theme easy so i thought i am oh you know Luke he is not a theme deck it's like a deck

[00:52:24] it's like it's a it's a full deck but they give you but it's not a theme deck like like like the fire dexants once i learned it though once i learned it it was fun sweet and i one like

[00:52:35] a bunch of them roamed kind what's like figured it out but you're learning you're using more of bandstick let's just say that um i didn't think the learning curve was bad i mean for this game the

[00:52:45] tutorial is really good if you're starting out um in the normal version like dandid just about reading the cards what they do knowing how much of each type of card you're allowed to play in one

[00:52:56] turn i think is a big thing like um yeah you might be in a place when you're starting out you're like oh what i can't do that like you can't evolve a pokemon on the same turn it was played

[00:53:05] you can only attach one energy per turn unless it's from a support card you know or a card that attaches energy that's a lot well it's also important to note for beginners and people who

[00:53:15] don't know pokemon a lot that if you are pokemon requires electric energy and like if it says electric energy and normal energy you can still attach two electric energies and it'll work

[00:53:29] the move will work yeah but if normal energy just means like any energy it's like it yeah right so just just something to keep in mind whenever you're building your energies for making a particular move

[00:53:41] i give it a seven out of ten on learning curve so we got nine six seven so we got a seven total on the learning curve seven out of ten i agree i think that sounds like okay we are agreed

[00:53:55] i'm glad that we're agreeing kind of at least we can get an average here all right let's move on into the collection unlocking cards in this game is this easy as playing versus the AI

[00:54:07] or against real players and gaining in game gold which you can buy packs with or buy hold decks with you can buy your whole theme decks with the gold um when you buy a deck all cards

[00:54:19] in that deck get added to your collection for use in custom decks you can also use code cards found in the real game or in the real life hacks so totally cool yep your code card right

[00:54:33] code card for anybody's there you go those just listening Jonathan told him a code card that he got from an actual feedback you can redeem celebration trading card gig tin dark silver beyond b

[00:54:44] there you go so anyone wants use that i'll throw that away so i don't use it boom so you can get that in the game dandoff what do you say about the collection system oh man i i'm kind of geeking

[00:54:59] out over this one because this felt appropriate to category categorized here but the bookman TCGO may even look and feel the most tactile out of all our games here so let me let me talk

[00:55:09] about why it's it's it's if i was kind of playing like on a real board with real cards it's very tangible experience for a card game video game which is great for people who want to feel

[00:55:19] the novelty as though they're collecting and playing with their own personal like real decks some examples are like the satisfying amount of card shuffling animations and stuff and like just the sound of the cards the sound design is another one yeah i love that and stripping

[00:55:32] open the packs with your mouse cursor on TC specifically right that's so cool because it's like oh man i have a pack in my hand and the way that the deck box is like they use the real artwork from

[00:55:44] the real physical things so that's a lot of bonus points there man especially because if it's because of it's tactile feeling the fact you can add to your online connection with those cards

[00:55:56] by buying physical packs those codes i should say sorry that's super cool and that's like a more unique reward system than i think a lot of the other games in our showcase have so playing both

[00:56:07] against AI and PvP to get cards for your collection is both accessible and straightforward so i got to say man that's a 9 at a 10 for me oh all right 9 at a 10 from the new

[00:56:22] nasty yeah what's a ye i'm pretty much on the same level like just it's a collecting card game i like to collect my cards i like to go to the collection tab and see my cards but the biggest

[00:56:37] thing is if i'm collecting cards i want to see a pack and i want to open that pack and i want to get that fix you know that's that's the biggest thing it's the biggest thing and this one

[00:56:48] is really cool because just the way they open the pack and it slides out and it's like the shows and it loves you click on the rarers to get those yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

[00:57:00] exactly yeah i love that the whole collection like the pre-made decks they give you are very good to use like the ones they give you to to use once you understand how to use them yes then

[00:57:12] you're like holy shit like this is my card brains turn it and i'm kicking this guys that in the like that they give a lot of good decks in the in the beta

[00:57:22] i also like they can give you like the card backs the boxes they give you the box which is cool so like whenever you start a match people can see the box that you're using

[00:57:35] and the end your coin which you can redeem with real code cards for the boxes for the coins and the coins too oh i loved it um are they gave me a lot of free shit too

[00:57:46] um that was also nice yeah i give this about i give this like an 8 at a time 8 at a time for the collection well in my opinion this is one of the most fun

[00:57:58] collections to grow obviously it's fun ripping packs of Pokemon whether you're doing it in real life or you're doing it online there awards there awards are a bit slow i would say

[00:58:12] because you have to win to get gold which you use to buy packs or buy the index but doing the trainer challenge in the main game not the beta the trainer challenge like that

[00:58:25] then and then and off was doing versus the AI you can get 45 free packs if you grind out the whole thing that's not bad yeah that's awesome i mean it takes a lot already actually it takes a

[00:58:36] while to do if you grind out that whole trainer challenge but you get 45 free packs and that ain't not bad not to mention you get all the cool different versions of different cards right

[00:58:49] like almost it's like it's like it's like collecting it in real life i give this 9 at a tent so we got 9 8 and 9 so we're gonna round that up to a 9 and 9 overall in collection kaboom baby alright let's move on to the artwork now art is obviously subjective pokemon

[00:59:11] is probably nostalgic for all of us but Daniel what do you think what do you say what now it may have been yeah okay go for it I think i may have to have added asterix to your to your okay if it's if it's too low go

[00:59:30] no no don't worry about that the artwork for pokemon trading card game online i think it's probably my favorite card art on our show here today oh so there's a magic to these pokemon cards

[00:59:44] man i don't i probably don't have to explain it to you but the illustrations are so solid in a lot of the art the the line work everything's really beautiful there are multiple types of each

[00:59:54] pokemon so you've got an element of variety like you've got illustrated types you've also got 3D render to say the least um i don't know man there's just like each card i could gaze at for several minutes it's like their own little unique world so

[01:00:12] that's all i have to say about this that's a 10 at a 10 for me oh wow the end off with the 10 and there is a nostalgic element that is very important it is true but i got to say it's 10 at a 10 okay no no asterix needed uh

[01:00:30] Nate i'll I'll explain what i was talking about after but Nate what do you think what's say ye the art is really good on a lot of the cards a good amount of cards aren't very good

[01:00:44] especially like um the good ones are obviously the shiny ones or like as Jonathan has explaining through the week like has he's opening up his card packs and you see like the full bodies

[01:00:58] where the text is not it doesn't have its own like box to put the text in it's like the whole card is an art kind of like marvellous nap yeah um and those were really cool but i find

[01:01:12] a lot of them were so busy the artwork was so busy that i could barely read the fucking text when there wasn't a box all right okay now it's not bad because we're just

[01:01:27] we're going against how the cards look not like the so i won't hit it too hard for that but a lot of it was really good no other card game that i can think of in our list does it the way

[01:01:40] Pokemon does like what do you know was seeing with the 3d stuff but it's only on the really big cards really good cards that i found the art was like wow that's really cool all the

[01:01:49] like the lower like level one and sometimes the level two evolutions i was like whatever i just agree i found them beautiful unlike a lot of them and i like that they were busy like you said because

[01:02:00] that's what i meant by they were their own little painting it's like that's own little world that i could just kind of look at as a lot of what's the word i can see i can see what have been

[01:02:10] cool because going back to marvellous nap if they did super busy cards like this that would have been fucking awesome because they don't have text on their card right but for my artwork for Pokemon

[01:02:22] it's gonna get an eight and a ten just because sometimes it's too busy and i i'm like what the fuck am i looking at i have to look at it i'm gonna what i'm gonna do is i'm gonna be showing

[01:02:30] all the art different artworks for different card games like on the screen um so if you want to check it out watch the youtube video if you're just listening yeah but i'll be doing that throughout

[01:02:40] the episode uh for the artwork cool um obviously i love Pokemon we've loved it for our whole lives uh but like Nathaniel said i do find there's some hit and miss here but i think it's all good at

[01:02:52] the very least like it's not like oh this is a shit drawing like i haven't seen a bad one but man some of those trainer gallery cards and like the alternate arts is what they're called like

[01:03:04] Nathaniel's talking with they're just so fucking sweet like the the charizard this is what i was saying Dan i was gonna add an asterisk you don't have these in your collection so you may not have

[01:03:15] seen them but exactly but like the the promo cards like the that came out recently the charizard one in the in the charizard collection box they're so sweet and there's like a charizard fighting

[01:03:27] a mutue and it's a it's an it's a full art like an alternate art card and and charizard's fighting mutue and then the new set that just came out yesterday crown zinaith has a mutue card

[01:03:39] from the perspective of mutue in that same fight so that you have the mutue perspective which is so cool um but yeah i really like the artwork on these cards as cool and the foil on them

[01:03:52] is really nice i'm gonna give it a nine at a ten nine at a ten sweet so we get ten eight and nine that's a total for nine nine on artwork all right let's move on now this one might be a bit hard

[01:04:05] now though Nathaniel knows about the online one so are the uh the non-vibita i'll talk about the differences I think um the PCTGO interface Danle what do you think about the interface in the UI

[01:04:17] i followed pokemon's match UI easily so i had no problem in terms of the in game UI everything was fine i've saw i mean like i said i love that board game view um everything looks just look

[01:04:28] felt like i was there so that was really cool because it was interactive like that um it's menu you I it struck me as functional not much confusion which is good but not much in the way of special

[01:04:40] either so there's no real wow factor but it works fine for me i could find everything where i needed it to i do like the packs you know the screens where you can flip i love the carousel for the

[01:04:50] cards that's really cool though but i think i'm just gonna have to give it a seven nine at a ten all right nasty we're talking about are you gonna talk about the live the new version

[01:05:05] i'll well i'll talk about like i guess the the differences but when i was playing i was playing the live interfaces awful on live the one that the other guys are playing is much better

[01:05:20] much better like the the board game view much better like the the tabletop view where you're playing your your opponent is waiting i don't it's there even a difference on that what on live yeah i just

[01:05:32] all my phone there was i didn't i didn't play on desktop so from what i can see and remember the the card game online is more that you can see more and seeing more is always better in my

[01:05:49] opinion because it's a collection game you want to see your cards you want to see the back because you want to see that kind of stuff the menus are a lot better in the other one and the older one they're

[01:05:59] easier to click their their there and you're just like oh i'll go to my places i'll get my stuff done it's not like the normal saying it's not crazy amazing so for the new one i'm gonna give two

[01:06:12] scores okay for the new one is five and it's a true success it's bad for the older one i'd say it's not any it's not created much better but i think i have to match with the day no with a seven

[01:06:29] but the old one like there's a couple of things that are the new one there's a couple of things that are just like it's bland it's corporate looking very corporate corporate looking yeah

[01:06:40] corals it's not easy to get around no it's not the aesthetic feels like you're part of some corporate league like the NHL right and it's it's like clean it's it's like a dentist office

[01:06:50] you go in and it's boring sterile and i i don't know if that's maybe the direction they were going because they wanted to look like professional and like modern you're sitting in front

[01:07:02] of your your opponent in this like futuristic world where you're sitting in like this plastic box and it's all white and you're just like hmm so you're talking about the live one right now right

[01:07:12] yeah the beta yeah yeah yeah yeah it's you guys in the old ones you see or the old one the online you see the bard it's like more of like a hobbyist like hang out like board game to like

[01:07:25] car game this one is like yeah this one is like you're in the you're in the Pokemon League and you've come in your suit and tie and you're gonna place plakelory versus this guy yeah

[01:07:36] like Larry but for for the score sake i'm gonna give 7-10 for the old one the new one 5-10 is terrible yes okay my thoughts are is it's decent nothing special very cartoony it's almost

[01:07:50] though fisher it's almost like a fisher pricey though you know what I mean it's like fucking Creole a crayon colors and ship yeah yeah it's like it's just makes sense it's easy to navigate though

[01:08:01] it's easy to through search through your collection in the old one it is not in the beta like the beta doesn't even have a collection tab you can't even look at your fucking collection

[01:08:10] you have to go and edit if the click edit deck to look through what cards you have it's so dumb you can't just click on collection and and look at your cards it's not it that's not it

[01:08:25] Pokemon in the old version that's good you could look at your collection you can scroll through you can sort sorting is easy i would i'll give it a 7-10 let's all agree with is that our first

[01:08:35] agreed 7-10 yeah i think so across the board yes i did give it a 7 it's nice nice okay well that's all the scores guys we're gonna tally him up here we got 8-7-9-9-7 that's a 40 that's a

[01:08:52] 40 that's a 80 percent what that got better than marvel snap yeah i agree with that that makes sense to me uh... okay what what's with the reaction all right we're moving on to go in here

[01:09:14] you'll spent is a card game introduced in the wits your series by cd project red it was i'm it was made into a standalone game in 2017 is a free-to-play player versus player there is a player versus AI expansion as well it contains character cards derived from the

[01:09:33] wits your universe so if you're familiar with the wits your ethos you'll see some familiar faces and factions it is on pc all consoles and all mobile platforms wow yeah that is fantastic

[01:09:48] that was the gameplay area consists of two rows on each side of the board a melee and a ranged row that you place your minion cards onto like marvel snap each minion has a minion power

[01:10:04] that when combined together counts towards your score minions can have abilities that affect other minions and to reduce or increase their minion power there are also ability cards that do the same

[01:10:16] at the end of each round your combined minion scores are totaled and the person with the high score wins the round the goals to win two out of three rounds to win the match be careful not

[01:10:27] to use up all your cards too early or you won't have power for the later rounds you can build your own decks or choose from basic decks for each faction match time i'd say around ten minutes good for toilet play yay or nay i'm gonna say no

[01:10:46] no you only have one okay only one toilet game so far well depends along take a shift for that is true like it's definitely better to play on the toilet than pokemon i'd say

[01:11:01] but still i found myself not being able to finish games we'll sit well sitting on this shit now listener should know we tested it on the share of this thoroughly okay we tested the toilet

[01:11:11] done thoroughly all right the phones have been flagged for sure so these games have been flagged what do you like about the gameplay what did not like dandoff kick us off the resident new game new but well went is definitely a different beast entirely but

[01:11:33] the broad concept of the game is relatively easy to understand you've got controlling two of three rounds with your highest total points that's a good start for winning matches at least that's easy to understand okay there's no convoluted information there the melee row

[01:11:47] in the range rows actually really neat feature and possibly unique to gwent i don't know if you guys can think of anything that's similar yeah um the older scrolls one that got burned

[01:11:57] oh no longer but i'd like how units can change depending on their placement on these rows and interaction with other units on them both on you know allied units and i mean it's really cool

[01:12:08] really really cool the match time i think it's fine it's not too long i know i wouldn't take it on the shitter um but i'm not complaining about the match time actually didn't find it was that bad at all

[01:12:20] but what is interesting with gwent is if it's a long match time that might be a good sign you might be doing okay am i right and saying that i feel like that's possible yeah if it's taking

[01:12:31] to get a game right so for my score for gwent i'm gonna get a bit at a ten for gameplay because i've had fun playing it for sure i've had a lot of fun okay damn eight out of ten nasty nate what you're rebuttal

[01:12:47] yeah like this face those be just watching he's kind i don't like this looks i don't think i don't like you don't like go ahead okay what i do like is the effects like the i like that whole

[01:12:58] ice like ice the rose and then push and pull um minions into those rose to like buff or debuff them depending on your faction right um the weather effects the rain the sunshine

[01:13:12] clear the weather all that kind of stuff that's cool i'd like that what i didn't end up liking was for most of my matches it was just a card dump yeah like you you play your first round

[01:13:27] and you're like okay you either think i'm definitely not gonna win this round all past to save my cards right and then next two rounds you're just fucking dumping your cards

[01:13:36] until someone gives up yeah and then you do it again like that's how i found that was really playing the game so i wasn't really into it because there's no um other is a penalty to make

[01:13:47] cards though you have provisions i forgot about that and then like the i found the abilities and the card text to really learn the cards was kind of annoying like clicking on it and

[01:13:58] then clicking on the ability right well there's a section called learning curve for that so talk about it later okay okay okay okay okay we'll talk with that um and i liked your little hero

[01:14:08] down at the bottom i still didn't really figure out the best way to use them but he was pretty cool like yes but like i don't know i just it didn't really pull me like poke them on pulled

[01:14:22] me or a snap pulled me so i'm gonna give this one pretty low i'm going with a five oh five but it's him game like like i was i was not into and i was not in wow okay well

[01:14:37] i think it's pretty fun i mean i had some fun trying to make a deck with the with the Skelly Gae with Skelly Gae for Skelly Gae um it was based on like damaging your opponent's

[01:14:49] cards and then having something special happen if you have an opponent with with the x amount of damage to minions called bloodthirsty is what it was called any i just don't know all the

[01:14:58] cards and like yeah uh to me i i got my ass handed to me a couple times just because i didn't know what the fuck was happening but i do like the strategy for saving your power for when you might

[01:15:11] need it like your uh your hero like your what's it called uh your hero ability your leader your leader you're leader power leader power leader power leader yeah just this just isn't something i could see myself like grinding a ladder playing for long period you know like

[01:15:28] hard stone i could play for fucking hours you know it's just like this i just like 10 minutes i'm like okay i thought like you see yeah exactly like a card you just like play is play one card

[01:15:41] every turn just kind of boring you know i mean like there's no combos the combos are like turn after turn so you have to combo your turns not cards but well turns turns and cards

[01:15:54] like i was saying which is hard or to do it's it's not easy you know what i mean um and where i say like pokemon there's a satisfaction for that you get for like

[01:16:07] pounding the shit out of that one pokemon in one shot yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah there's no there's no satisfaction in this game because you're just totalling your power like marbles and after there's no satisfaction i found doing that like in hard stone you can slam your

[01:16:23] minion into the guys face it's satisfying yeah yes right but this is just doesn't have it i i'm gonna give it a i'm gonna give it i'll give it a seven a generous seven let's say

[01:16:35] so we got a seven we got a total for seven for gameplay now let's move on to the learning curve who didn't all what do you think about the learning curve okay this is where it gets tough so

[01:16:47] while i still had fun i find the game fun it's definitely the more difficult of all our featured games on today's list for those beginners listening and you know uh casual players

[01:17:00] whatever there's a lot of information on a lot of cards a lot of conditions and things like that that you're gonna be reading using terminology you have no idea what the fuck any of it means so

[01:17:11] you got a right click for more information on the cards yes what does this condition mean what is this term mean things like that yes so there's a lot of information on the card so pairing

[01:17:20] appropriately to make the best combinations can take time to read let alone remember and really internalize in the learning um the melee and ranged rows like i said are cool feature but they

[01:17:30] can be tricky because you have to pay attention to how they affect your card moves otherwise you could miss out on like opportunities like Jonathan and i were playing last night it was like oh

[01:17:39] gen i put it on the wrong the wrong row now i can't take advantage of that move so i can check out the one just i'm just like because we're doing we're talking to each other while playing

[01:17:49] right so like you did that wrong i was wrong he's like yeah yeah but i would like i said i would categorize go ahead and as a card game he's your picked up by board game lovers and experience

[01:18:02] card players like Jonathan like Nathan even though Nathan doesn't like it that's actually interesting but definitely wouldn't recommend it for beginners and non-intrusious unless the witcher is your favorite thing in the world and go nuts yeah um yeah my love the idea of going but it's tendency

[01:18:17] to be difficult prompts me to give it a six out of ten for learning curve yeah the learning curve is steep there are a lot of different things like you said that the cards do and i found like

[01:18:28] this game has changed a lot since like i played went the went initial went in the game the in which are three was much simpler and much easier to play and i did enjoy that a little bit more

[01:18:42] than than what it is now but it's been out for you know five years now so yeah so it's natural that it's evolved and it's increased in the power creep we talked about power creep i talked about

[01:18:54] it last episode about her stone it's just power creep so so new people learning you have to learn all the things that have been added from 2017 to now so it's a lot right um so yeah i give it

[01:19:07] a six out of ten as well so nasty what about you this one's steep for sure it like Jonathan was saying before in the game the witcher they were like okay this game is for the is for the witcher game

[01:19:22] like you don't want to spend 30 minutes in a match while playing the witcher right yeah um so they they had it easier in the game but it was like that when it was on other platforms

[01:19:34] it was at the beginning as it was in the game hmm then i found it easier like it was it was fun to play because i wasn't reading an oval on each card there's a lot of reading and a lot of understanding

[01:19:46] for each faction because each faction has their own kind of like bonus thing and there's like five or six five yes oh god and it's not like hard stone where you can play one class for a while sampling

[01:19:59] hunter and you know you know the battle cries you know the secrets you know all that stuff but when you jump into another class in her stone you know that stuff oh i know what a battle

[01:20:10] cry is right and you know what it does you know what a secret does that kind of shit in this there's nothing like that so when you jump into another faction it's like you're playing the whole

[01:20:19] you're learning the whole game again with the with the cards and that's a no for me i found it more overwhelming than Pokemon which made me not want to play it anymore

[01:20:31] so i gave it a five out of ten oh oh six six five so that's a six for learning curve that's a total of six for learning curve total of six all right to me let's move on to the

[01:20:46] collection there's a reward tier for each faction so you can just choose to play one faction and level them up and get all the rewards for that faction which includes cards you can buy cards with

[01:21:00] the pat you can buy packs of cards which is nice you can also craft cards stand off what do you think would you give um it seems pretty straightforward because i mean those avenues that you mentioned

[01:21:11] there's crafting you can buy them with in-game currency and real currency you can also you can get barrels of cards uh and they have different types of barrels which is cool you've got like faction

[01:21:23] barrels you can get for the northern realms or you can get like a you know cursed toad barrel which comes with kind of a random array of stuff i believe because i bought some cards from each

[01:21:32] different types or barrels from each different types of those categories so i got various things with them um yeah there's like a whole faction tree i think they call it a reward book yeah if i've got that right

[01:21:43] so they've got trees for each faction uh i went into the northern realms and had to look at what was required and you've got to play quests you can accept a quest and then once you do that quest you

[01:21:53] can move on through the tree and unlock more barrels and things like that so there's a lot of ways to get cards i feel like um so i think that's fine again i don't know about the frequency though how often

[01:22:04] you get cards versus how much you're playing that i can't really comment on yet so i'm left with the score of like eight out of ten because i think the amount of ways to get cards was satisfying

[01:22:15] to me alright nasty you you're rebuttal i feel now i feel like i've just don't i like i don't like the game so i'm gonna try to be fair wow um unlock like jumping into the game

[01:22:33] i did the tutorial i played i don't know five six matches i think and i was like i can't play anymore this game so during the five and six matches i didn't get much free shit like i did

[01:22:45] in pokemon and i like free shit i like collecting free shit i don't like the whole tree collection shit i don't like that i just want to see my fucking cards a lot too yeah it's a lot

[01:22:57] and the barrels why i'm fucking barrel what cards in a barrel okay like like like like a baby it's like a little school like fantasy old school fantasy RPG i can understand they

[01:23:09] don't have a pack of cards right but like i don't know make a little leather pack a box like a little or box a little wooden yeah nice wooden box or a cool little leather pouch you know you pop the

[01:23:20] leather pouch and you have bring your cards out i'm fucking barrel that was stupid yeah the chup likes to smash the barrel that's what he says that guy in the story is like uh turn to smash

[01:23:32] like open and he's like oh and he crushes it he's a must i did like what i did like is once you see your cards right they present you with the cards and then you can select out of the three yes

[01:23:44] oh that's right that was cool that was cool i like that i didn't dive super deep into it so whatever you're getting collections for say the monster deck right to get more cards for the monster

[01:23:59] deck you would want to choose the monster card out of the three right because they give you a like a yep like an array of random ones and then you get to like kind of honing on what

[01:24:10] you're kind of trying to build you get to choose one a fifth card after you get are your awarded with like five cards one of them's locked and they show you the four which i think you get all

[01:24:21] of and then the fifth one and they get show you three and you can choose one of that's like if it pertains to the class that you want then do that correct but overall i found it too much i found it

[01:24:31] like i just wanted to see a collection um not this tree in quests and all this shit like just show me my cards i couldn't even bother to figure out how to do that so i'm going to give this like

[01:24:44] a four at the end what for collection and this is just sad i've like i hate it just i mean i don't know how you ate so much it's similar like other than like the trees and all the extra

[01:25:00] stuff like the collection aspect is similar to herthstone you get rewards in the past you get rewards on your journey you can craft cards you can buy packs and i like the fact that it just didn't feel

[01:25:13] it just didn't feel polished in the way where it was it flowed nicely no it does like collecting my cards didn't the collection aspect didn't flow to me where i was getting my dopamine fix i

[01:25:24] actually didn't want my fix you know that's the fan of the compass is his dopamine fix now if he can't get that i like the fact that you can buy faction specific kicks though that's cool yes

[01:25:38] like if you want to like the most if you want to build a deck of monsters you just buy monster kicks and you get all the most monster cards yeah and you can do that journey and you could just

[01:25:48] specialize if you want would like maybe you're thinking of it too broadly you can specify down to the to the faction i give it an eight and a ten for collection that's that's going to bring

[01:26:01] our score down we're bringing the most disparaging score yes of the lowest score we've had on the show so far yes or for collection of all things very strange so that's he wants to change his mind

[01:26:16] now he can eat four what's that eat he well still gonna be pretty hot seven okay that's not bad total makes seven for collection of the averages out right it's just like personal yeah all right let's

[01:26:33] move on to artwork stand off what you think about the artwork for the for the for the witcher a little bit different than the other our other games it's it's different i feel that i think a lot

[01:26:45] of them are beautiful they're very pastallie a lot of the the illustrations are like kind of they're very painterly i guess is the word yeah um summer just okay like i was looking through a lot of

[01:26:56] the decks and i was like oh that was kind of but i think that's gonna happen with every game we have here where you're gonna find some cards that are like mediocre but the majority of them are really

[01:27:05] really cool and some of them the fun of buck buck monster cards and went are really cool yeah so it wouldn't be fair to score this category too low because they're really unique paintings

[01:27:18] that's had by talented artists whose names are credited which i really like um i think the each card shows you who who made it yeah they give a credit for it which is really cool they added

[01:27:28] that to marvel snap actually recently yeah if you click on on the card in marvel snap we click at the top oh you can show you the artist the artist and the and the color the line work

[01:27:38] on the colors right that's cool but i like i said they're all their unique own little paintings so i got to say i went through all of them and i really thought they were really cool so i'm

[01:27:49] not to give it an eight out of ten because i was very satisfied especially with like the northern realms ones you've got like guys with you know the medieval type armor and it just looked very

[01:27:57] witchery i love it eight out of ten nasty what say you i wasn't blown away like i was i wasn't blown away with much anything i think marvel snap was and pokemon pretty high um i looked through

[01:28:14] all the factions and they're like base cards the monster deck by far was my favorite it looked fucking sick the monster cards were sweet but i think it stops there and everything else

[01:28:25] was just like oh peasant with a fucking pitch fork like on the night with a helmet you know like i don't it wasn't and it's very like the coloring was like uh just there wow right it's

[01:28:39] it's very it's very witchery and very like dark fantasy right which they pulled off which the world of the witcher is right um but like the art like the art work for the cards like it was

[01:28:51] drawn good but nothing really launched out of me because the factions it's like all human except for the monster ones that were any kind of like different i would say except for the elves there's

[01:29:05] a lot of green grass to make it hot dry adds yeah um nothing really stood out to me other than the monster deck i'm gonna give it a uh six at ten okay all right well i actually really like

[01:29:23] the artwork on some of those cards that i really like some of them but like you said a lot our very mid but a lot or yeah but i think in general they're very i think in general they're very good

[01:29:38] i'm gonna show some of the some of the really ones i thought were really cool like Dan said some of the monster cards there's a couple of the spell cards that are that look really cool i uh

[01:29:50] a lot of ones that stood out to me used cool um perspective cool kind of angles uh soul show some of those um but the monster cards are excellent and they really bring you into the games art

[01:30:04] style i would say eight out of ten fantasy artwork for a total of seven out of ten for the artwork let's move on to the interface Dan what do you think about the interface um for the UI the matches

[01:30:20] UI for the matches is easy enough some unique features like they ranged in melee icons for the rows but um again no problem there it's always the menus man with Gwen's menus

[01:30:33] there appears to be a lot to look at i find there was a lot of buttons a lot of icons different pages within pages touch overwhelming so i'm gonna have to give it a six out of ten nothing too

[01:30:44] nothing too special for me nasty i'm gonna yeah i'm on the same page i'm on the same page what i liked but i really liked was the design like the drawing of the books and the ink work

[01:31:00] on like the pages and stuff like that that was really pretty to look at um i thought it was pretty easy to get around what i wanted to find i found it pretty easily i i liked the interface

[01:31:11] more than anything else about this game i'm gonna give the interface a seven okay uh yeah okay i'm kind of agree not amazing but it is kind of cumbersome to navigate like visually it's

[01:31:25] nice uh but the navigation is there's so many different areas to look at and i often found myself clicking on one thing going back oh i didn't want to go there and then clicking on the god

[01:31:36] damn same thing i just clicked on i'm like what the fuck is he on and then go back again okay didn't want to click on that like it's i was like what the hell am i doing like that's the only game

[01:31:47] i did that with this whole week on our show was this game i was like oh fuck i just i was done that yeah so i'm gonna give it i'm gonna give it six as well so we got a six six and a seven

[01:32:00] total six what's our total for grant we have seven six seven seven seven six the gamer score for grant is 33 at a 50 which is a 66% wow 66% still in line with how i how i'd view the game

[01:32:23] yeah well though that's cool that's cool it extends to me all right let's move on to our final game art stone heroes of warcraft art stone is an online free to play player versus player or

[01:32:38] versus AI deck building card game by Blizzard from back in 2014 it contains character and spell cards derived from the warcraft universe so if you're familiar with the warcraft ethos you'll see some familiar faces here it is on pc and all mobile platforms

[01:32:56] the gameplay in the main hard stone game mode which is just regular hard stone the play area consists of the game board and a hero that a player chooses each game from various classes found

[01:33:11] in the warcraft universe such as Mage or lock warrior paladin rope priest to name a few got them all there are minion cards and spell cards which you play onto the board during your turn your

[01:33:24] minions can attack opposing minions or the enemy hero and your spells affect the game variously according to what they say the first to delete the health of the enemy hero to zero

[01:33:35] wins you can build your own decks or choose from a couple of the pre built basic decks in the game the match time match time can vary um yep they can be up to 25 minutes they could be quick

[01:33:49] depending on what deck you're playing what are you okay first of all are we a year neon the toilet play yay yeah I don't know I guess so I can work it could work again this is my limited

[01:34:06] experience it could work on the toilet I found that I was playing a little longer and I was studying things a little longer so maybe not me right now but eventually probably all right um as for gameplay

[01:34:18] as a whole it feels like warcraft three but a card game which I love that's kind of in a line if I can summarize it because there's like nostalgia in there the graphics style the spell animations

[01:34:29] are reminiscent of warcraft not wow but warcraft because they're smaller scale so it's like real times strategy whatever right and they use a lot of the same sound effects I think assets like

[01:34:39] voice actors and pretty sure jaina is the same voice actually sounds so familiar yeah she's been the same thing throughout the whole yeah the voice acting is hilarious like when I was playing hogger

[01:34:49] the no wow I was laughing so I just these hilarious hilarious voice actors um I like how warcraft are sorry hardstone is specific with their term minions as to describe cards like player or I should say

[01:35:08] you know so what's the word servant cards right because they're there or do the hero yeah warrior card because they're there to the do to the hero element there's a hero now which is unique

[01:35:22] to hardstone I mean Gwent has a leader but you are playing as a hero and the minions are acting as sort of a line of defense uh for you especially if you're playing taunt cards right so I thought

[01:35:31] that was really cool um I had I think this might surprise you guys I don't know but I think I had the most fun playing hardstone there was an X factor here with all of the above that kind of made

[01:35:44] me really enjoy playing a lot more like placing cards even using the spells and the hero abilities with the sound effects making me feel like it was giving me like an auditory feedback you know

[01:35:54] the game is communicating with me and reacting to me as a player but I love the option of playing solo against heroes um and solo quests with stories which is a really cool idea like there's a

[01:36:05] lich king element something like that yeah there's a lot of solo adventures yeah but you can yeah which I love um because I would get my ass booked if I played online right now I know it

[01:36:16] so it's really accessible to players of all play styles I feel like because of that AI and pvp element I got to give hardstone a 10 to 10 for game playman I had a lot of fun I thought it was fantastic wow

[01:36:28] wiii! yeah yeah nasty can you beat that can you beat a 10? I I love I still love this one I'm gonna touch you this goes without saying I think guys I think this was like

[01:36:44] because it was my first real trading card game online it kind of held the benchmark to the other games that I played this week and for a good reason because like harshstone was a whole to

[01:36:57] certain place in my heart because of Warcraft 3 because of World of Warcraft it's kind of unfair so I'm gonna try to bring it down a bit try to unbiased the game used to be so good when we started playing

[01:37:14] which was like maybe to maybe two expansions in one expansion in I think maybe I don't I didn't play it from the very very beginning but we used to go to tournaments I was part of like a

[01:37:26] Harsstone League where I would get points and climb a league ladder it was fucking awesome the game play is good I like the global card abilities that are across the game and this is what makes it

[01:37:40] I think better than all the other ones is if you play one class in Harsstone you can pretty much play all the classes in Harsstone except for maybe a few things and just to be able to play a

[01:37:53] play a class to it's like and say you master this class of Mage because I played Mage for years and then I was like okay I'm gonna go over to Priest starting and go over to Warlock kind of like

[01:38:04] the same kind of spellcaster and it was very easy to adapt to that class and be really good with that class right the mana system and health system is easy to follow then you start learning what card is worth that mana right versus other cards

[01:38:23] right and that I think is really cool like the value of that card in that play it's easier in Harsstone to figure that out the efficiency now there's so much in the game now like all the

[01:38:36] expansions yeah makes it difficult if you're to jump in now very difficult if you jump in now so I would probably I'm gonna assume the other guys will say it as well is

[01:38:49] keep it to the classic but again that's learning curve match time I played this on the shitter all the time like I get in those matches and I hit that face and I get out kind of

[01:38:57] things so definitely a shitter game for me I'm gonna give gameplay I love this game. 9 out of 10. We got an eye. All right well for me since the main gameplay has changed so much it may be her

[01:39:11] for me to give this a relevant score for standard play right now but when it came out like he said or when we started playing it just addicted so good but so much shit has been added in this game

[01:39:25] like in terms of card mechanics and abilities and these different things and that does take away points for me which is rough it sucks but like if we were doing this five years ago

[01:39:43] you know I'd be giving it a 10 if we're gonna do in this review five years ago and you can't still just play Harsstone Classic which is amazing I played a bunch of it last

[01:39:55] you know before last episode I got to legend like I said and it was great so I I will not I will knock a point off for just like the power creep in the game like I said before

[01:40:08] but there are a lot of cool game modes in Harsstone that you can play that are different then you don't have to experience that disgusting power creep you can play solo adventures you can play battlegrounds which is really really good I have over 300 hours alone in battlegrounds

[01:40:29] like since it came out you know it's it's great you can play arenas which is a drafting game where they show you they show you a I hate yeah let me it's it's not my my favorite but you can play arena

[01:40:41] which is like a it's a draft mode where you they show you three cards you have to choose one and they keep doing that 30 times to make your deck so you have to know what's good value what the

[01:40:54] what the cards are that are efficient so there is a strategy and a skill in arena for sure it's a whole different thing but like there's another one called mercenaries it's a new game mode

[01:41:05] like there's just so much you can do so I'm gonna add points back on for that so I'm gonna give it nine out of ten nice we're the note though soon they'll be rolling out three expansions

[01:41:20] out of play so when you say roll out you mean remove they'll remove it from standard play right because roll out typically means they're putting out oh sorry sorry yeah we're just to avoid

[01:41:33] any confusion there and I'd say that would probably be a really good time to jump in if you want to get into the standard play um list to learn yeah okay so what do we got we got a nine a 10 and a

[01:41:45] nine total score for gameplay that's a nine all right learning curve damn tell us what game modes you played and what your learning curve was um okay well obviously I had they they for the tutorial

[01:42:01] they make you fight I think it's six bosses six different bosses and then there's the practice mode where you battle heroes to unlock their class decks all right depending on who you can battle right

[01:42:15] which man to me seems like it's gonna take some time so that's what I played so far was the the solo play the adventures and I wanted to do the practice modes before getting into the

[01:42:30] the solo quests like the story ones because I wanted to unlock some more decks because of all you have as a starter deck in harstone for those beginners listening it's just the mage deck you know

[01:42:39] yeah which isn't again it's usable a lot of usable cards and stuff um i've beat the i-a-i which is not always very forgiving with just the mage deck so anyway that's what I've done so far

[01:42:51] but it can be tricky because some things I've learned have been while the damage focus should be on the hero when minions rain minions pour so you can get rushed by like eight minions if you're

[01:43:03] just kind of falling asleep and you're like oh shit there's like a huge lineup of minions in front of me and I don't have anything on the board because I've just was paying attention to something else or

[01:43:12] whatever and you feel only have like 15 health left those minions can just right you know because they can all go in a tour it's kind of cool I'll take turn board control yeah you gotta control that can happen

[01:43:25] pretty easily uh just like rushing you for all of your remaining health points and you're like oh shit I gotta do that again but it's a challenging game even against the AI I didn't hate it

[01:43:37] but I was challenged I still enjoyed myself um but I feel like it takes a little bit more time to develop a system and a deck it's not impossibly hard diving in though so I'm gonna give it a

[01:43:46] seven at a ten for learning curve cool nasty do you remember learning her name well I agree with with with Dan Dolph coming into harsh zone in 2022 is a bit of a mess actually quite a big of a mess uh the introduction or 2023 now suppose sorry the introduction

[01:44:06] of Death Knight class has brought an enormous amount of card data a lot of card data and harsh zone has become even more of a coin flip now with that amount with the amount of

[01:44:17] expansions that are currently in the standard meta i'd say it's pretty hard for someone to get into it right now I would probably wait like I said for them to remove a few expansions like the older expansion sets before jumping into the standard mode

[01:44:34] but I'd recommend the classic mode if you're just jumping in and then you can move into the standard mode once you get that base knowledge right uh but after all that i'd still like yeah

[01:44:47] give it a seven at ten oh yeah i agree seven at a ten uh same start with harsh zone classic and you would learn the game you'd learn battle cry you learn what a death rattle is you learn

[01:45:03] static effect you know you learn about the taunts you learn about everything the hero powers what they do what the different classes are about you know what i mean so i'd say

[01:45:14] for sure play harsh zone classic they'll give you a deck to play there's multiple decks i think for each class that they give you i say seven at ten so that's an agreed seven across the board

[01:45:25] a seven for loan learning curve all right let's move on to the collection unlocking cards and harstone requires the purchase of packs by real money or in-game gold rewards however there is a base set of cards that come with your account you also get new cards as

[01:45:41] rewards in the battle pass you can also craft cards with in-game currency that is exclusive for that purpose much like the Witcher uh dandle you're maybe didn't get this far but do you have

[01:45:55] any thoughts on the collection so i was using the mage starter deck like i said which i found relatively useful as a fledgling card player i think i have eight of 16 mage cards made cards unlocked

[01:46:07] i'm guessing playing a classic unlock more cards for that class which is kind of cool it appears well rounded purchasing packs within game currency or real currency but also unlocking various individual cards and packs as he playing complete quests some dubbed all classes and some

[01:46:24] reclass specific so it's kind of like going to i guess in terms of factions and whatever i love the idea of playing solo quest to unlock hero types which allow you to build decks

[01:46:34] of that hero class while you're working slightly harder for them you still give in cards and packs for playing matches and the quests are like pretty early on like all of that you can get some

[01:46:44] some packs and individual cards early on as a new player so i didn't i was looking at the menus and over the edge of it don't really think it was that bad so i'm gonna have to give it

[01:46:56] it i think an eight at a 10 year that didn't really see any issue i don't know this one this one stuff because it's a money sink like you can sing a lot of money into this one um the free to play

[01:47:09] decks that they give you like the cards that you start with after you i'm gonna take it to the perspective of after or unlocking all the base cards for all the classes let's say you get to

[01:47:21] that point and you can get to that point by just fucking around whatever mode i think right just xb just gaining the xb of that class the free to play model in this game is acceptable

[01:47:34] remember backlight day they would do free to play runs yes like the streamers they would do like free to play to legend or they try did they give yeah free to play the legend which is insane

[01:47:47] yeah and this is this is one of my one of my points back then if you're a free to play player you're gonna have to really be more on top of your game and really learn

[01:47:58] what's coming at you to get that value out of the cards that you put on lock for free now you can unlock the good cards hmm okay but that's grinding you got to grind a lot you

[01:48:11] get a craft them and in this one it's and craft them yeah so let's say i was a major player so i didn't give a shit about any other class okay i didn't give a shit about any other class i'm going to master

[01:48:23] mage and i'm only gonna unlock all the mage legendaries all the mage cards i'm gonna get all that stuff you can do that fairly simple because whenever you're opening your free packs you get a bunch

[01:48:35] of cards that you're not gonna use you dust them and then you can craft the cards that you want for the deck you're playing right and i find that was very easy and i enjoyed doing that

[01:48:47] that being said the way they open the packs very nice the artwork are the the the pack itself it's a little book it's a little book and it pops open it's in oh man so if i got a lot of

[01:49:00] it cool then that dopamine fix hits me i'm like fuck yeah and i'll keep there it is yeah he's got his fix for this so i'm gonna give the collection aspect oh and the book is organized oh yes the

[01:49:13] pages love it i love it i can search the power of the card easily if i want a five cost card i click five cost card and there they all are right in front of my face and i can just look through

[01:49:25] it read it it's presented beautifully it's right there and you can do that for all the classes i'm gonna give collection eight out of ten first oh we have another agree i also give it eight at a ten

[01:49:38] that's a another eight's across the board we got an eight all right let's move on to the artwork damned off what do you think about the artwork on these cards scope them out eight yeah i did i

[01:49:51] looked through at least i looked through everything that i had in my collection which was an entire magedek and various cards from other classes that i've unlocked and frankly i do love it

[01:50:01] the blizzard standards for artwork there's no exception here um i love how they mean i do like how the minion cards this is kind of more about ui but they're still part of a package the minion cards are

[01:50:12] appear different visually they're almost like board game pieces or portraits rather than like cards which is kind of cool um so it offers a bit of separation from spell cards for example

[01:50:23] which are actual card shaped i love the names and the title banners like the you know the scrolls and stuff and the intricate stone work on a lot of cards and stuff are really beautiful the frames

[01:50:35] on the like the like the like the like the frames frame frame yeah yes those were sweet the fonts as well did i say fonts as well but anyway um the character art is perhaps more intricate than anything

[01:50:48] I remember seeing in both warcraft though and world of warcraft so that's really cool some are really awesome again you're gonna have those that aren't like okay whatever i'll move on

[01:50:57] but that's gonna give me a score eight at a ten for the artwork what okay what do you love and not nasty what are you got we got eight from dandle i'm in love with the warcraft more

[01:51:11] i'm in love with it the artwork on the cards can really range my opinion but for the most part they nail the aesthetic of the warcraft yeah universe obviously um it literally feels like i'm playing

[01:51:25] wow with cards i'm i'm in this world right and just the way they have it all but bringing it back I can Earth it I can bring it back down to Earth from the card faces we're gonna get the card faces

[01:51:39] did you guys notice that every class has like a color palette like a color way of doing it so for instance demon hunter has the green cards right hmm but a lot of the artwork is shades of green and a lot of green tones to it really

[01:52:00] you go to you go to mage and they have the blue card or black and the artwork is more toned blue shades blue colors i love that it gives it their own like identity later when you're playing that card i loved that i also love

[01:52:17] the purple the blue like we're talking with rare epic legendary the colors they use for that are popping they pop they always pop on my phone screen love it i really think they

[01:52:32] they nail the for me with the artwork just like the actions in the card work and the artwork are really cool um i loved it i'm gonna give it a nine out of ten oh okay and next time too

[01:52:45] for me a lot of most of it is is is is is is cartoony kind of and a bit more lighthearted i would say it's like a lighthearted kind of like you got these gnomes doing stupid things like

[01:52:58] a lot of it is it's kind of you know what i mean they have very funny artwork others are more serious but there's very few like i would say the legendary cards are more serious artwork

[01:53:11] whereas the majority of the cards are kind of goofy and yeah i'm but saying that it's decent i'll give it a seven out of ten for the artwork okay for the strictly i bring it down strictly

[01:53:23] yeah strictly i'm talking face card artwork okay no okay you know what i mean yeah yeah yeah so what's that that's a card of i've got seventy nine that's a total of eight all right so let's

[01:53:34] talk about the interface then what do you think about the interface Dan um i don't have a lot of complaints with harstones interface the delet the deck collection menu well that's the thing

[01:53:44] i was talking about it's this beautiful leather bound volume full of index cards on stained pages that i can flip through with my touch pad on the laptop which is just awesome and it goes

[01:53:55] which and you hear the page and it's nice and fast and responsive too i'm not like waiting for it to so that i love seeing the cards in like a nice volume almost like a real-life binder that you would

[01:54:07] have everything feels fantasy world you know everything feels like fantasy world items you've got that gauntlet for the mouse cursor and everything like that the books the pages of the background even being like wooden tables at an inn maybe what about music somebody the music is awesome yes

[01:54:26] i'm just like i had it open just listening to the music full book like as i was writing no brutally do do do do do do do do do do do do yeah i didn't we have that as a fucking category yeah

[01:54:36] well pokemon doesn't have harstone harstone would have blue it all it's just that it's less of a relevant category for the actual game itself but anyway the music was a bonus one for harstone for sure

[01:54:46] felt like pirates like it felt like see if these sometimes so um but yeah i love the background's being like wooden tables like at your you're at an inn or something like that playing against your

[01:54:56] opponent the in-game UI stream lined uh there was something i noticed where i didn't see it first i didn't realize that the buffs are on pc are on the left side of the screen they were kind of like

[01:55:07] hiding in the margin between the two character plates and i was like oh shit there's a lot of strings to them yeah like the buffs that come up if you play like a secret or something and it shows

[01:55:18] what's currently at play the logs the log i didn't know that it was there for like the first few matches that i played and i was like oh okay yeah so that was a little bit of that but that's not a huge

[01:55:30] deal it's just that's one thing i did notice um after exploring harstone's warm though and inviting wooden uncolored ah that word uncolored menus i realized it didn't hate anything i was like

[01:55:46] i know where everything is it's really quick and easy i'm not clicking the same button twice like when so it's an eight out of ten for me on on ui i almost almost a nine but it's just a ui i'm not crazy about

[01:55:59] it so eight out of ten nasty this is by far the best yeah interface i have to that i have dealt with the past couple weeks um in my pain is the best out of all the games that we've played it provides

[01:56:15] the information it needs fully on screen okay i can see it all and it's easy to get around i go to my collection it's a collection i go to fucking this mode it's just so clean and it's so good

[01:56:33] and again it was the benchmark that all these other games should have just not looked that maybe i'm sure they did but like that's the way they presented it they really brought you into that

[01:56:44] world where you're at an in or you're at like a like a tavern and it's just so good and it's polished it's probably polished the shit out of it it's got the blizzard polish that overwatch has

[01:56:56] that warcraft like everything it's got that polish um their masters their masters that polishing this stuff and everyone knows it and there's a reason why just because they've been it for so long the collection book is literally perfect i i don't think i have many any complaints about

[01:57:16] the collection book uh landscape landscape landscape yeah i'm old but landscape that's i think that's another big one is landscape so fucking good i don't like holding my phone vertically when i'm playing games i hate it verticals where it's at um horizontal horizontal horizontal horizontal

[01:57:40] horizontal horizontal you need a playman fix somebody got him a fix somebody open a pack i don't know i can't say the only the only gripe i have with this is the store is a piece of shit

[01:57:53] this is the horror oh yeah the performance the performance of the store is fucking awful it's garbage so you click on store and it's like because they have the most ingredient things there that you can buy instead like lowly yeah and all the animations

[01:58:07] because they have the animations of the cards to preview what's in the deck or preview what's in that pack and it just kills anyway it even kills on the computer i'm gonna knock one point off

[01:58:17] i'm gonna give it nine out of ten for interviews nice agree agree on all points agree on all points i also gave it a nine what about during the game playing with the board oh yeah

[01:58:32] all about that well during the game i don't know damn if you notice this you can click on things on the side on the and you can play with the board while it's not your turn i want to be okay

[01:58:43] you can click and interact with the various things around the frame of the board just like warcraft three which is very fun uh so that is sweet so yeah nine out of ten so we got eight nine nine what's

[01:58:55] that nine out of tens so the total score for hearts stone what have we got here let's see what have we got what have we got we have nine seven eight eight nine we have a winner

[01:59:10] winner winner winner to represent wow we have that doesn't surprise me either i mean i feel like that's where was going because because i mean you guys have just been playing this game

[01:59:20] for so long but even me i mean maybe i think maybe you guys expected me to be like oh this is complex and then brought the average down but i love playing it so all right let's go over our scores

[01:59:34] for the day we have marvel snap with a total troll score of 78 percent we have pokemon the card game online with a total score of 80 percent a troll score of 80 percent we have goent with a staggering 66 percent and then hard stone the maybe not a runaway winner

[02:00:04] they're only one by two percent but it's close a clear winner harestone with 82 percent 82 trolls out of 100 trolls um there we have it folks i want to ask you guys now seeing it so putting

[02:00:19] it into places right we've got one harestone two pokemon three marvel four guent is there anything that you would be like a flip it right now or you guys all satisfied with what it is right now

[02:00:35] everything makes total sense to me if right yes 100 percent anything makes total sense to me i would go ahead i would change pokemon and marvel i would flip those so mine would be harestone marvel pokemon goent okay and just i have some notes for conclusion i just wanted

[02:00:53] to say before we do end the show for those non-card game enthusiasts out there like me the caddo beginner i do still highly recommend marvel snap and pokemon trading card game online for their user friendly

[02:01:07] nature and gameplay ease but check this out you guys might find this interesting most likely for me to keep playing harestone and goent believe it or not so went really that really yes yes

[02:01:20] but that is solely because they challenge me and i would want to improve that's my incentive for wanting to play more goent i still don't understand and i don't like what i don't understand so

[02:01:31] i want to go in there and try and you know what i mean and improve okay what's not working how do i fix it build a deck bubble blouse so i would like to actually keep playing goent

[02:01:41] and harestone more so than the other two if you were to pick one to keep playing which one would be between those two for sure and i would have to say i would still have to say harestone because

[02:01:55] like i feel like i'd get really pissed at goent a lot of times i'll get pissed at harestone yeah i'm sure i'm sure but at least the funny voices and stuff i would maybe make up for it

[02:02:07] i don't know well dano i would like you to keep playing harestone and uh maybe by next episode maybe we'll see if you played a little more so i hope that the information we provided this is an

[02:02:18] extensive information we provided here on each of these games can give a some insight to each game if anyone wants to play or was ever curious about playing any of them so dano says that he would

[02:02:33] keep playing harestone that's the the consensus here and harstone our winner overall not surprising to me the heard it from the trolls mouths themselves folks let us know if you play any of these

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