The 3DO Experience - Episode 78: Trip Hawkins: The 3DO Founder!

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[00:00:29] 3DO. Hello everybody and welcome back to the 3DO Experience, the 3DO Retrospective Podcast where we talk about all things 3DO, the 3DO company and everything in between. I am Bill and this is Thrak. How are you doing, Thrak? I'm tired, Bill. How are you? I'm doing alright. I'm cold. I'm still not used to having a beard, you know. 3DO. Oh, are you in the scratchy phase?

[00:00:58] 3DO Yeah, the last time I had a beard for a long period of time was 2018, I think. Either that or 17. Probably 17. So it's been almost a decade. So I'm getting used to it again. It's like, I'm not used to this. My face feels weird all the time.

[00:01:18] 3DO Yeah, you get used to it though. You absolutely do. Like I got over the scratchy phase pretty quickly. So, in fact, even the handful of times I've shaved it completely and let it grow back. Even in that scratchy phase, it wasn't bad at all. But maybe I just got used to it. I was, whenever I would cleanly shave, always my first thought was, maybe I shouldn't have done that. And now my face is really cold.

[00:01:46] 3DO Because you get used to it being, you know, keeping your face kind of warm. So, but I think after years of like, trimming it and trying all weird kind of different things with it, I think it's finally settled in and looks proper. 3DO I just got to remember to shave the neck. Like, because I hate, I hate the hair on the neck.

[00:02:05] 3DO Oh yeah, you got to do the neck beard. You got to do the neck beard. I do it once a week. So keeps it because usually in a week, it's it's coming in enough to where I'm like, I should probably get rid of that. 3DO Yeah. 3DO Yeah. 3DO Uh, so the Super Bowl happened this weekend. 3DO Jesus Christ, man, I did not expect that outcome. 3DO I didn't even have to watch it. I just saw the reaction on discord and I was like, Oh, yeah, not going well. I see.

[00:02:32] 3DO Well, the thing was, well, the thing is, just about all of us expected the Chiefs to win, because of like how the season has gone with like them winning close games in their favor and just kind of squeaking out wins, which they've been doing quite a bit.

[00:02:48] 3DO There was a lot of controversy about the refs and that kind of like collusion, which I don't think it's genuinely true. I really don't. But people are so conspiracy brain these days. They just they just do that. Right? 3DO Like sure, they get calls like controversial calls their way. They absolutely do. But it happens to all teams like every team has gotten a controversial call their way. You know what I mean?

[00:03:16] 3DO Yeah, but but it's when you're when you are the hot team, everyone's kind of focused on you. So I can kind of see why there there was that. 3DO But like press people asking like my homes like who's your favorite ref is like, come on, guys, you're being really yeah, I know. It's like whenever like the Patriots were there and they were always asking them like the dumbest questions.

[00:03:37] 3DO Yeah, yeah. I mean and there wasn't really ref collusion during the Patriots era. I mean there there might have been but I don't remember that talk nearly as much like I like a lot of people called foul over the tuck rule, which I totally understand like that's a BS call to this day. That was that was a fumble. 3DO And then there were stuff like deflate gate, you know, that kind of stuff. 3DO Yeah, that that whole thing what like it's still don't know that one.

[00:04:06] 3DO It's it's a lot. I looked into it recently and I'm like this is really kind of stupid. 4DO You know, well, my thought was always like they complained about the deflated balls, but like they were better during the point of the game when they were using the Colts balls. 4DO Who fucking cares? It was such a long time ago. I don't think anybody cares anymore. But anyways, the game happened.

[00:04:31] 4DO And the Eagles proceeded to stop on the Chiefs like the final score 40 to 22. It was never that close. Like at one point, I think it was 34 to nothing Eagles like they just they can like they completely just destroyed them like the like the Chiefs defense. 4DO The best thing they did was they stopped Saquon Barkley because they're like we need to focus on this guy so he doesn't explode.

[00:04:56] 4DO But I think the problem was they didn't focus on anything else because like the passing game was pretty good. 4DO Jalen Hurts got a couple of really good runs in there as well. 4DO And then the the defense for the Eagles just completely ran through the Chiefs O line and Mahomes got sacked six times, which is like the most he's ever been sacked.

[00:05:15] 4DO You know, like he threw two picks he caused a fumble like he looks like shit like absolute shit, which when I was what I was watching the game kind of here and there but when and I watched more of it than I expected because of the outcome. 4DO But I remember watching I'm like this proves that the Chiefs were kind of coasting this season. 4DO Yeah, you know like because they were squeaking out these wins against like lesser teams and then you know they come up against like this season's Eagles team, which was a fantastic team.

[00:05:44] 5DO Some people are saying they might be one of the best teams in NFL history potentially and they just thoroughly dismantled the Chiefs. 5DO They were honestly better than their the 2017 team. 5DO Oh, the one that won the first Super Bowl. 5DO Yeah, yeah, I think so and they were a better team than when they played the Chiefs in the bowl like two years ago. 5DO Much better. 5DO I always think with the the 2017 game Nick Foles just had the game of his life.

[00:06:09] 5DO Yeah, well, he had the season of his life when he was playing that year like he was just like they called him big dick Nick for a reason. 5DO Yeah, wasn't it like Carson Wentz got hurt like right before the Super Bowl and they threw him in like last second. 6DO He just like he played like yeah, the game. 5DO Yeah, and he won them that Super Bowl and then he was never good again. 5DO So and funnily enough Carson Wentz was is the backup for the Chiefs right now. 5DO So he got to see his former team win the Super Bowl with him on the bench.

[00:06:39] 6DO Also Andy Reid's former team too when you think about it. 6DO He finally got the Eagles a Super Bowl win. 6DO He did it. 6DO Yeah, but it wasn't when he was coaching. 6DO I always think of that that that really sad image of him just looking disappointed when like the Pats won in a. 6DO Yeah, but I love Andy Reid. 6DO He's one of the greatest coaches of all time and he'll be fine. 6DO He'll be fine. 6DO Like they'll all be fine. 6DO I did think it was really funny. 6DO They showed fucking Chase Elliott more in the Super Bowl than they did Taylor Swift. 7DO Yeah, yeah.

[00:07:09] 7DO It was weird when they showed the one time they showed her and everybody booed her. 7DO I'm like, are we are we are we still doing this guys like I mean it is Philadelphia fans. 8DO They are the most. 8DO Yeah, shit heads. 8DO They threw snowballs at Santa. 8DO I mean, let's be real. 8DO What an amazing image that is. 8DO That's still like one of the fun that they burn their city down whenever they went up Super Bowl. 8DO That's what they did. 8DO That's what they did like two nights ago. 8DO It was it was great.

[00:07:39] 8DO It would have been fun to have been there. 8DO Like I think I was describing it to somebody like that's the kind of situations where it's like it's like you're like I want to see what's going on. 8DO You just like kind of hang out in the vibe and then you start to see fire and you're like, all right, I'm getting out. 8DO I'll see y'all tomorrow. 8DO Like the moment the moment fire erupts is a good time to leave a party whenever there's fire like I'm out. 8DO For a second I thought like because the Chiefs kind of picked it up right at the end. 8DO I was like, oh, are they gonna try like for like a Brady comeback?

[00:08:07] 9DO No, no, it was garbage time by that point. 8DO Like the deficit was too big for them to even come back and you can tell the Eagles D was like, man, just let them have a couple who cares because it didn't matter at that point. 8DO So I mean, I think that bowl really proves that we need to change the onside kick rules because the onside kick rule is garbage. 8DO They should probably do something with that. 8DO But yeah, it was reffed pretty well.

[00:08:36] 9DO Nothing too crazy like maybe one iffy call for both teams and that was kind of it. 9DO I thought the halftime show was good. 9DO I heard mixed things on it. 9DO I mean, it's not my genre of music. 9DO So I was indifferent, but 9DO I like Kendrick. 9DO I think Kendrick's great and he deserves his flowers, you know, from how successful he's been recently. 9DO And I mean, a lot of that is just like basically Drake. 9DO Like it's just him still like I like Drake has to retire at this point.

[00:09:05] 9DO I don't think he could do anything anymore. 9DO But like I've always said that I think Kendrick is a better artist to listen to when you have the headphones on and you're reading like the lyrics along with them because he's that kind of artist like very like conscious and like thought provoking and all of that, you know, like he's closer to a like a Talib Kweli kind of a guy, you know, if anybody knows who that is like one of those kind of era of rappers. 9DO But to see him in like his pop star era.

[00:09:35] 9DO I'm like, hey, let him have it. 9DO Let him have it. 9DO So I thought it was fine. 9DO Yeah, like my uncle tried to imply it was DEI this halftime show, which that's a whatever it will the halftime shows I've noticed there they show up in phases where it's like there'll be an era where you know, it's like, oh, we have like the era of like the pop stars and like an era of like dad rockers and you know, whatever. 9DO So this is like the hip hop era basically.

[00:10:02] 9DO And I believe it's Jay-Z's company that handles the halftime shows. 9DO Oh, okay. 10DO So that probably explains it. 10DO And yeah, it's it's I enjoyed it for what it was. 10DO But I told some people I'm like, oh, if you if you like Kendrick, but you haven't listened to him like go listen to good kid mad city. 10DO Like that's the album you need to listen to for it's like why is Kendrick such a big deal? 10DO Listen to that record. 10DO It is a phenomenal album came out 2012. 10DO It's brilliant. 10DO I saw everyone complaining about it online.

[00:10:32] 10DO So I was like, all right, what's going on here? 10DO So I watched the replay. 10DO I'm like, like, I don't really get what the big deal is. 10DO I mean, it's like it's not my genre. 10DO So I had no like real opinion, but I was like, it seemed fine. 10DO It's just a lot of people. 10DO Yeah, who don't listen to rap music being forced to listen to modern rap music and being like, oh, it's garbage. 10DO It's just all it is, you know, it's like whatever. 10DO Who cares? 10DO You know, yeah, I wasn't. 10DO You didn't have to watch it. 10DO You didn't have to. 10DO I wasn't offended by it. 10DO I was just like, yeah, it's not for me. 10DO I just moved on with my life.

[00:11:02] 10DO I think it's just like old crusty white Republicans feel like they're now allowed to be like outwardly mean to black people now. 10DO So that's just what they're doing. 10DO That would be my guess. 10DO Genuinely. 10DO Anyways, another Super Bowl down back to a racing season now. 10DO Yeah, racing season spring trainings coming up. 10DO So we still got some sports stuff to do the NHL's I believe in their two week break. 10DO So hopefully the Blue Jackets could make the playoffs this year.

[00:11:32] 10DO That would be nice. 10DO They've only done it once in their 20 plus years as a franchise. 10DO So which is not good, but we'll see. 10DO But yeah, racing. 10DO So probably every week you'll tell us about the fucking driving cars, whatever. 10DO Cars go from. 10DO Cars go from. 10DO Cars go from. 10DO News. 10DO They're trying to come out. 10DO We do have an NSO update. 10DO An NSO music update.

[00:12:01] 10DO Oh, okay. 10DO I didn't even check that. 10DO Yeah. 10DO Let me boot up my app. 10DO Oh yeah. 10DO It's a good choice, I would say. 10DO And one that's like, all right, yeah. 10DO One that makes me happy. 10DO Let's see. 10DO Oh, Golden Sun? 10DO Yeah. 10DO Nice. 10DO That is a really good soundtrack for the GBA. 10DO A soundtrack that I think is a better showcase of what the GBA's like sound.

[00:12:31] 10DO Well, it didn't have a sound chip, but like what the sound on the system can actually be like there's some really good soundtracks on the GBA. 10DO It's just that kind of crunchiness can bother some people, but it never bothered me as much as it seems to bother everybody else. 10DO Oh, that was Matoya Sakabora, the Tails guy. 10DO Yeah. 10DO That explains why I like it. 10DO Yeah. 10DO And the battle theme is fantastic. 10DO Some people really don't like his music, but I've always been a fan, so. 10DO Sounded good to me. 10DO All right, let's see what other news.

[00:13:02] 10DO So ESA have decided to make E32, but call it Icon with two eyes. 10DO Two different looking eyes as well. 10DO Ooh. 10DO Well, it seems to me that what it is, is trying to be more of a, like what E3 used to be before they let the general public in, you know, just kind of like an event where the main like publishers and all that in the video game industry can come together and

[00:13:31] be like report numbers and like network and that kind of stuff. 10DO That's just more of like a business conference type of deal. 10DO Oh, so like E3 95 where like 3DO showed up and had no idea what a press conference was or like a presentation was. 10DO Yeah, I think that's what it's like meant to be. 10DO And yeah, I think that's probably a good thing. 10DO Like that's probably a good thing for the industry. 10DO I mean, sorry. 10DO No, no, you're fine.

[00:13:57] 10DO I was gonna say like the first E3 is like famous for like all of those moments like 11DO Everyone will forever remember Sega making an ass of themselves. 11DO And then Sony's infamous 299, like all the classic moments 3DO not knowing how to do convention. 10DO I always forget 3DO was at the first E3 and it was such a weird like most things 3DO they did not know how to do it right and they tried to do it their way. 10DO Yeah, yeah.

[00:14:26] 10DO But yeah, that's most likely what it's gonna be and I think that's probably a good thing to let these like guys network and do whatever like sure. 10DO Why not just keep the general public away from it basically. 10DO Yeah, we don't need that's kind of what killing around three. 11DO Screaming Yeah, that's kind of what killed E3. 10DO Really. 11DO Yeah, because I always remember like the E3 like era of like the YouTubers like 11DO Spoonie had his infamous like betrayal thing.

[00:14:56] 11DO Yup, I'll always remember that. 11DO Yeah, Lord. 12DO Yeah, when that's still mad about it. 11DO Did he disappear off the face of the earth? 11DO I haven't. 12DO The only reason I remember him is I watched a video about 12DO Spoonie and it came up again and I was like oh, okay. and then I remember when Screw Attack was there they had Keith Apicary and he was just being Keith Apicary yeah and Keith Apicary's fine he is he's still funny well he's dead now but oh yeah

[00:15:25] still one of my favorite like not a fan of Joe Rogan but I do love when he makes an ass of himself and like one of my favorites is when he was going on about he thought the dad character was an actual dad beating up his son he didn't realize it was a joke he's very stupid yeah it's just funny he gives this whole like deep like impression of it and then like he's like wait this is an act you guys are messing with me again aren't you and I'm just like this is great Jamie pull that up

[00:15:56] let's see what else is there take two says GTA 6 is not going to get delayed it's going to release this fall I figured it would it's funny to see all the PC people getting mad that a PC port isn't day one and when that happened I'm like I remember this when Red Dead 2 came out when GTA 5 came out that they always wait about a year to do the PC port and all the PC people get mad

[00:16:25] they're like why don't you give it to us day one you know and GTA 6 it's the same thing again my guess is GTA 6 coming out price depending will move hardware I'd say so yeah I mean that it's not going to be as long as it's not a hundred dollars because that seems to be the the theme or the rumor that it's going to be a hundred like I feel like if it was eight

[00:16:54] they could probably get away with 80 bucks they could probably get away with 80 but I think any more than that would be too much I'm not paying a hundred bucks for a game like I'll pass on that one not GTA 6 I mean there's probably a couple Dreamcast and well your games that for collecting sake I'm going to be an idiot and buy them for that much but for like a brand new game like GTA 6 nah because it'll be 30 bucks in like a year yeah let me rephrase that I'm not paying a hundred dollars for a new game

[00:17:24] yeah because you know it's going to go on sale so there's no point unless it's a Nintendo game but I don't see Nintendo going to a hundred anytime soon no no I mean I feel like they're even a little hesitant to go to 70 I think they are to a degree but I think Switch 2 is when we'll know like when they start unveiling like oh Mario if they show the next if it's Mario Kart 9 for the Switch 2 and it's 70 bucks then we're like fuck everything's going to be 70 now so

[00:17:54] that's when we'll know yeah but speaking of Nintendo this Friday the GBA library is getting one of my greatest achievements it's Wario Land 4 on the Game Boy Advance a great fucking game and I'm glad to see it finally coming to NSO like that's one of my favorite GBA games we'll have Wario Land 3 and 4 now on NSO and we we still need one we need one and two damn it we do eventually but we have the two best in the series so at least we have yeah

[00:18:24] though I think Wario Land 4 is aged better than 3 see my thing with them is they're different they're two different perfections they are different games I tried playing 3 when the Game Boy lineup first came out and I did not care for it 3 takes a little bit because 3 is like a true puzzle platform like yeah yeah and I liked the idea of it I just I don't know maybe need to give it another try it's one of those ones I found when I first because that was like

[00:18:52] one of the few Game Boy Color games I had as a kid that I played like the hell out of the thing I found with Wario Land 3 is you really it's a game that really makes you like think about shit because like I got stuck for years on levels because I could not figure them out and then like it would just hit me one day I'm like oh you gotta roll down this thing and jump in rolling up this like weird tube thing to get to like this one specific point and I'm like right this game was hard and Wario Land 4 is much more condensed

[00:19:22] 4 is a more traditional game it has puzzle elements but they're they're only really if you're trying to go for like a full completion and get everything other than that it's more of a standard like get to the end like bounce on the frog get the key and get out kind of a thing but it's its own it's its own vibe for a platformer which I really like it's not what I like about the Wario Land series in general it's not trying to cop Mario Land it's just trying to do its own its own thing and I think it succeeds

[00:19:52] so it's great it's great to see Wario Land 4 get another chance on Valentine's Day of all days which is awesome all the single guys need something to do play Wario Land 4 on the Game Boy Advance hey Wario gets the girl in that one well he gets a kiss anyways yeah yeah let's see let's see Warner Brothers being stupid EA's being stupid we won't go too deep into that

[00:20:21] Sonic Shadow Generations has sold 2 million copies good hell yeah I mean Sonic Sonic always sells though like every Sonic game sells at least like 2 million copies I think true but this one sold well and has got good reviews which is rare yeah there you go critically and commercially successful so which is great and we have that Sonic Racing game I assume that's coming out this year and then there was a trademark for I think it was Sonic Blitz was filed

[00:20:51] it could either be like them trying to make another fighting game for Sonic or it's gonna be some bullshit mobile game that sounds like a mobile game title that's the two prevailing theories yeah we'll see I mean Sonic's been this is the healthiest the Sonic series has been in a long time so I'm hoping to keep that momentum going I think so I feel like knock on wood the guys at Sega are a little bit smarter about all this stuff you know I think

[00:21:21] they've seen like the prolonged success Yakuza's had and of course all the Atlas stuff doing really well and probably them realizing with Sonic like we don't have to do all this weird stupid shit and also we can take our time with the main line games we don't have to rush like we get a Sonic game every year but it doesn't always have to be like a main line game it can be a side game it could be a mobile game it could be a collection you know like they can sort of take their time with the Sonic stuff and make sure they get them right you know it helps too that the movies have been like

[00:21:50] consistently good like I think people actually pointed out that it's actually really amazing that like the first movie is really good in itself the second movie was even better and then the third movie was even better than that and it's like when does that happen these days yeah that is crazy but it's it's awesome like it's great to see and yeah and I think they can keep the momentum going like I've heard rumors of like an adventures of adventure one and two remakes I've heard those are in the rumor mill I've heard a big heroes

[00:22:20] remaster in the rumor mill as well I think both of them make sense like I would like like Sonic Heroes deserves a second chance and adventure one and two I think a lot of people have said those games deserve a remake like like properly modernize them like they're still fun games but when you play and be like man if these had more modern controls they'd probably be even better yeah honestly as long as they keep that charm to them which I know some people don't like

[00:22:48] but I think they would lean into it like I think they're self-aware enough to know they can lean into some of the sillier stuff and get away with it yeah let's see apparently Rocksteady is making another Batman game I hope it's good it's all yeah it'll probably be a few years till we see it so maybe maybe Arkham World is real maybe we'll finally see Arkham World make another asylum style

[00:23:17] game like don't go super crazy just make a simple fun adventure people yeah like it hopefully that's what they should do yeah not don't do Arkham Knight do something smaller maybe somewhere between asylum and city and that's kill Batman that's all yeah yeah I wouldn't do that oh yeah we we are having a state of play I believe it's the 13th or the 12th or something it'll be during the super super show

[00:23:46] let's see state of play when when is that coming out it is yeah it's tomorrow February 12th at 5 p.m. EST so I'll be like getting ready to leave work at that point the only rumors I know about the state of play are that Marathon's gonna show up which I think it kind of needs to and that the God of War Greek Saga games are getting a

[00:24:16] proper remaster collection re-release which is something that should happen you know games that people would be excited to see so it'll be curious to see if that's real what games are in there how they're doing the whole thing because really it needs to be one two three Ascension and then the two PSP games like it needs to be all of them so because they didn't they do that on the PS3 like a big collection of all of them I actually own that it's it was called the God of

[00:24:46] War Saga so basically it was yeah they just stuck three and the HD collection into one disc well I mean one a case and then they gave you a voucher which mine didn't come with because I bought it used for the for the two PSP games yeah what I mean you could get you could get the PSP HD collection for like a dollar at that point so it wasn't a big deal yeah yeah so yeah that would be nice to see because yeah there's a lot of people who

[00:25:15] haven't been huge fans of the more recent God of War games and prefer the older style so them kind of being like oh yeah these games exist like here they are because it feels like Sony is like downplayed that era of God of War which is weird to me I don't know why because I find those games to be really fun it's probably because David David Jaffe is not at not really working with Sony anymore and they probably just they don't really know what to do with the series anymore yeah well

[00:25:45] I think they kind of like just kind of left him let up just because somebody asked him about the God of War reboot and he said he was fine with like them going in a different direction and doing everything he said it's all worked out he's just like I wish they would have told me because they didn't tell him they just kind of went on well they kind of kicked him to the curb after the after ascension well even it was it was also a twisted metal reboot because that bombed and they were like yeah we're done with you bye yeah yeah

[00:26:15] so but it is what it is so yeah we'll see what they do with the state of play they kind of they kind of need to stay to play to get people excited again because right now things people are not happy with Sony I mean there's been like you know Concord and then like all they're just canceling a bunch of live service games and then what was that the PlayStation Network was out for like a whole day or something yeah it was like a day and a half I think it wasn't nearly as bad as the infamous

[00:26:44] uh footage from years ago but yeah but still it's like Sony is not really in the best of spots either right now so and they'll remind everybody about games to Yotei which I believe is this year yeah sucker sucker punch is just doing their thing in the background like like they always do so oh yeah I'm sure they'll be fine um they're like the most like normal Sony studio right now they're just like doing their thing and not um they're doing their

[00:27:14] thing and just not being controversial at all well it's like yeah they're not Naughty Dog who are kind of in the spotlight they're not Insomniac who are just pumping shit out Marvel shit out like crazy they're not Santa Monica which made the God of War games now people are like what are they doing what are they doing I hear they're working on like a new IP who knows um yeah they just kind of chill and just do their thing gorilla's doing at this point are they making probably something horizon that'd be my guess that's probably just what they do now

[00:27:44] I want another kill zone damn it yeah well apparently uh Insomniac recently uh I guess back in the day they pitched the resistance for and Sony turned him down which is weird because Ted Price was all like I remember Ted Price saying that he was dumb with that series but well maybe the maybe saying no to the pitch is what kind of killed it maybe I mean they did kind of end the series with three but that doesn't that doesn't mean anything in gaming exactly doesn't mean a damn thing

[00:28:13] um let's see um uh Kamiya somebody asked him about Okami um and Kamiya said uh people shouldn't play the Wii version because I guess he's recently been playing the HD version which I guess he hadn't played before um and somebody asked him about the Wii version he's like oh that version's trash it's it I think it's because he didn't work on the Wii port yeah Ready at Dawn made it and I'm pretty sure it was notably a known as a good port he's probably just he's probably just got sour grapes about it for some reason

[00:28:42] yeah because he made the PS2 version so I get why people would prefer the Wii version for that game I totally do well the funniest part about the Wii version is the cover art infamously has an IGN rating on it if you look closely yeah and it's that's the gross part I think if that was the reason it wasn't definitive I'd be like you are correct absolutely no he's just mad that Ready at Dawn made it which is actually kind of sad Ready at Dawn no longer exists but um yeah it's just Kamiya being

[00:29:12] Kamiya no big deal yeah um for some reason Yuji Hori had to remind everybody Dragon Quest 12 exists or that they're still working on it because I guess because recently uh Dragon Quest 3 Dragon Quest 3 remake did something unprecedented it exceeded Square Enix's sales expectations yeah I saw that I was like damn better than they expected I'm like I this is this is cause for celebration Dragon Quest stay winning right you remember how when like when Square and Enix merged and

[00:29:42] everyone blamed Enix for the for the decline of Square and I'm like I'm pretty sure the Enix shit was doing wonderful throughout that period of time and Dragon Quest always does it's Dragon Quest is like Sonic it's one of those consistent sellers it's always gonna do well you know which is funny cause there's never been a bad Dragon Quest mainline game um but I'm sure if they made an like a mediocre mainline it would still sell like fucking insane the worst one is 2

[00:30:12] yeah but I mean that's but it's not a bad game at all I thought you were gonna say swords which I was like well I mean swords isn't mainline and it swords is cute it's an interesting thing it's just one of those things where it's like this is you play it for like 15 minutes and go that was adorable and then you move on with your life yeah which is what I did so but anyways he had to remind everybody that Dragon Quest 12 is still being worked on because I guess people thought it got canceled and I'm like you people are

[00:30:42] really fucking stupid like of course it's being worked on those people thought Akira Toriyama did everything which I mean rest in peace to the guy but he was just the artist oh god these people don't know their fucking shit anyways yeah somebody asked him about 12 and he said they'll release more information about the game when they're ready to but yeah it's like I was never worried about

[00:31:12] it I'm like they'll show it when they're ready to show it you know it's like Persona 6 like you know Persona 6 is coming it's just they'll tell you when they're ready to tell you yeah it's like Final Fantasy 17 you know it's being made you just you don't know when the next 3D Mario like there are certain games where you're like you know it'll happen you're just waiting on it so fuck I lost my train of thought but oh yeah Persona 6 I have a feeling it might get announced this

[00:31:42] year we'll see I mean I won't I don't think it'll release I don't think it'll release this year it probably doesn't need to especially with how stacked this year seems to be with new games but I could very well see them like maybe at Summer Game Fest or the Game Awards or something be like oh here's Persona 6 I wonder if it'll be like when 5 was announced and they'll just give us a picture of some chairs and be like it's coming winter 2014 haha coming for

[00:32:12] PS3 and then like a week later oh yeah also PS4 I feel like because of all that that happened with 5 with Persona 6 they're waiting till they can see the finish line to actually announce it they're like we don't have to do that like we know people get excited the moment we unveil it so let's just wait until we know when it's coming out

[00:33:01] so it might have some new stuff and some different stuff in there which I welcome but you know when it gets announced don't worry I will talk about it let's see what else what else Resident Evil 5 and 6 have been recently classified by the ESRB so I think they're getting current gen releases reports or whatever sure yeah god

[00:33:31] both times I tried to play RE6 I'm like I let's see apparently Eugene Naka updated his old mobile game I thought he was in jail he's serving a suspended prison sentence whatever

[00:34:01] the fuck that means does that mean he's on house arrest I don't know but yeah apparently yeah he has a mobile game called Pirates of coin which was released in like 2016 or whatever and he like updated it and I was just like oh sure I mean I'm never going to play it I saw his name and I

[00:34:41] go play that game one of these days when I can get it for less than five bucks I wish somebody would just give it to me yeah if I just came across it in a dumpster be like sure and then I'd sit down

[00:35:11] that game is actually like kind of good I bet it bet right now by 2030 it's going to be some weird hidden gem and it's going to be 200 bucks yeah

[00:35:43] I obviously listening to this yeah that'd be nice but I think he's currently in his doesn't like to talk about 3DO phase from what I've heard so I doubt he's looking into this I

[00:36:13] he saw that he saw that people are actually caring about it again so he's like I hate that thing what a weirdo but a very important weirdo I mean anyone who works in games is kind of a weirdo I always think so oh yes absolutely they're all nut jobs but we kind of love them for it don't we oh yeah I mean say what you will about trip hawkins but he's arguably one of the most important people in video games

[00:36:43] yeah because he is the founder of one of the most important publishers in video gaming for better or for worse and he's made a lot of

[00:37:13] upstart video game companies he has noticed yeah he's on the board of like four other ones yeah which is just weird but I guess that's how he's able to just kind of hang out because I don't think he he reached a point where he could not balance

[00:37:43] working on both yeah and he had to choose one or the other so he chose the growing company for what it was worth at the time and left the and was full time radio and tried to keep that ship afloat and I believe he sat radio right until the 3DO and everything so I guess we could talk a little bit more

[00:38:13] about his history and that like growing up he was always kind of like a weird nerd businessman type of guy like back in the day he tried to make Dungeons and Dragons for football basically like a pen and paper kind of football game and that really was still there when he was there I think

[00:38:43] I think like jobs was there yeah I think Wozniak is still considered part of the company but he just doesn't do anything anymore he just lives yeah yeah yeah and he was talking about how he went to they went to an Apple

[00:39:12] store because Steve wanted the new iPhone and he whatever but yeah he worked there for a little bit but

[00:39:42] then Tripp left them in 1882 to create this new upstart video game company called Electronic Arts you know what a stupid fucking name right this thing ain't gonna go anywhere I was wrong it idea with Electronic Arts at the start like

[00:40:12] the term Electronic Arts was like hey he saw that video games were very much an untapped potential at the time and there was a lot of room for growth and doing new weird interesting things and basically it was working to a

[00:40:41] certain degree but really the company didn't break through until they created until Tripp finally decided to create the football game he always wanted to make because it would be much easier to do it on the computer because then all the math is somebody to endorse this football game because

[00:41:11] I think at the time Joe Montana football was a thing so they're like we need somebody should we get a player no maybe we should get a coach a coach might be a better fit for it you know because if it's going to be a simulation football game like that name would be better suited for it and then I think Tripp probably just turned on Sunday Night Football and saw Pat Sumerall and John Madden and went boom John Madden is the guy and so he called

[00:41:41] Madden and decided to and Madden agreed to jump onto it so recently there was a documentary done about the Madden series that's on Amazon Prime I think it's like four episodes and I have some issues with it particularly in the latter half when they start talking about the competition and the exclusive rights that whole jargon but the first half where they talk about the making of Madden and the history of getting it off the ground and the struggles it had where Madden wanted

[00:42:10] 11 men on each side

[00:42:53] trip strict rules for cartridges and publishing and trip was like fuck that that's stupid so he went to Sega and said hey Sega can you give us a better rate than what Nintendo is giving and Sega at

[00:43:53] what let's just work out a deal and so they worked out a deal and so all the EA games have the Sega approval but EA got a better rate than the other companies did so that's how they were able to be successful with making the Madden games you know what's interesting I always kind of wondered because they stuck with their unique cartridges and cases and everything did they you think they probably

[00:44:23] spent more money in the long run because they had to design their own like molds and plastics and everything maybe that's that's very possible but I know that by the time the first Madden game came out and had that particular look to and it sold really well like the John Madden football the original one game surprisingly a really good game even by today's standards it's a pretty

[00:44:53] solid football game doesn't have the NFL license or the players license that wouldn't become a thing until a few years later but it was pretty for its era that's pretty good simulation style football and it was very successful and did super well and I think it was the best selling game on the Genesis that year becoming a long top 10 selling games every year and it started right at the beginning and that was really what

[00:45:23] allowed EA to become the big juggernaut that it is today so and yeah and Trip was at the center of it all trying to make it work and having Madden there and getting his approval on everything and then so I would just recommend watching that Madden documentary if you're curious because there's a lot of really interesting information in there but there becomes a certain point where it turns less into a history lesson and more of EA propaganda

[00:45:53] like how they talk about people criticizing the games nowadays and how they talk down game day and NFL 2K and all that other stuff trying to be like this is competition the way they talk about the NFL 2K series really kind of like they recognize they were good games they absolutely do but the way that they talk about them feels a little like they're a little pissed about it because they are better games than even the Madden of that era

[00:46:23] and that was an era where Madden was peaking and the NFL 2K game gamers were better so and they tried to imply that the only brand new and that apparently pissed NFL off enough to where they just gave the rights to EA I don't think that's how that happened I don't think that's how that happened I could

[00:46:53] see the NFL being upset about it and then those went away yeah games went like really fast and what's funny is that like at the same time there's like

[00:47:23] say the NBA games like the 2K games far surpassed the EA ones and they couldn't do the exclusive license thing so they kind of had to die and just doing a quick Google it's like the NBA 2K series also has its own issues it's like weird to how like Sony has like the exclusive rights for baseball I don't think

[00:47:53] they do I think it's just nobody else makes baseball games I thought they did and that was they might not for all I know no Sony does not have exclusive rights to the MLB it's just there

[00:48:34] was like dwindled considerably and yeah I didn't think Sony had exclusive MLB rights it's just nobody else wants to make a simulation baseball game because why bother the MLB did force Sony to make it for the Switch and the Xbox and everything because they're like hey if you're going to keep making these they need to be multi plat

[00:49:13] and this year's MLB the show is not coming out on game pass and that's probably because they don't need to because people are going to buy it anyways so but weirdly enough the NHL games there's still the NHL 2K series and then the EA NHL series so it's weird it's weird how sports video games we had an era where they were everywhere and there were like all of these different variations and all these companies doing like simulation arcade somewhere in the middle

[00:49:43] all that stuff and now we're at a point where it's like oh if you want to play this specific sports video game like there's one maybe two and then that's it there's some weird indie stuff here gone at that point and people have asked him about his opinion on the bad and serious

[00:50:12] these days and he's on he wishes it was he just doesn't always execute them the best he's George Lucas

[00:50:42] yeah he's an ideas man but when it comes to the execution it's a bit iffy he needs the right people around him to make his ideas work and he wasn't running he anymore but he was still kind of involved that's how

[00:51:12] the very early days of 3DO they had like all these EA base EA was basically a first party developer for the 3DO yeah which makes a lot of sense you know another parallel I yeah that is interesting and I love the original EA logo

[00:51:42] like that that classic one is really cool but yeah like they kind of brought it back not the same way but at least they're calling it electronic arts again and their shapes are in the background they're not the same kind of there there are certain things EA's doing now that I think are the more correct things to do like the way they're propping up some indie games and all that stuff but there are doing some like like I'm really worried about Bioware I think a lot of us are with how that's

[00:52:12] going because I don't even think Vailguard did that bad I really don't it's just people cry foul battlefield thing we'll see if that's worth it at all and criterions get moved over the battlefield so Need for Speed is being put on hold but I think it's a good thing for that series because I

[00:52:55] just make another burnout yeah like like if they were like let's do burnout paradise too people would be all over that shit absolutely like like burnout paradise one is still fucking good just do a modern burnout paradise there

[00:53:26] that's fine the big problem with need for speed is had is that they put like racing game devs on it but they're not the devs that made need for speed need for speed exactly and that's like because the problem is

[00:53:56] trip was able to help EA become the big success that it was with Madden and then they were doing a lot of other stuff at that time like they had like the I remember the jungle strike games people like those there's a really cool fucking game they made on the genesis called polter guy where it's like you have to scare people out of the house like EA at this era was really interesting they did a lot of electronic arts yeah it's in the

[00:54:25] name electronic arts they were making a lot of artsy shit a lot of people don't know but they were one of the kick starting points for Naughty Dog they signed them on for a brief contract I think they Jason getting in Bullfrog and some of these other small devs and then they were making their own dev studios and starting to make their Madden and other games like that so they were

[00:54:55] definitely becoming the big player that oh I could probably do this again but take it one step further and that's do hardware jump into the hardware because I think them being able to reverse

[00:55:25] engineer the genesis gave him the idea of I could probably just make my own console it's interesting too because at the time the 3DO is a really weird case where it technically is a 5th generation console but it came out significantly earlier in-between phase with the Jaguar and stuff so when the 3DO was first being developed it really was like CD

[00:55:56] based media was still a confused mess at the time Sega CD was a thing it wasn't awful but it wasn't blowing up the world either Nintendo was attempting to make a CD add on we all know what happened with that and I think Neo Geo had their CD thing which was infamous for being slow and the turbo graphics CD was also a thing I think around that point but like yeah

[00:56:26] like this is the era of the CD add on because in the middle of this generation where cartridges were still the standard medium is when the CD ROM became a thing where it's like oh we can now cram 700 megabytes of data onto this disk they're cheaper to manufacture they can hold more data and it's pushing new technology and I think all of the console makers were like oh we could probably do something with this but let's not just

[00:56:56] make a new system because that would be very expensive so let's just kind of make an add-on to everybody's pre-existing consoles where it's like hey attach this thing to your Sega and you can play more games on it more graphically advanced games kind of a thing it's like it's almost like weirdly like the PS4 Pro of its era almost like a mid-gen refresh but you can install it on your original hardware but

[00:57:26] yeah but I think Tripp saw the

[00:58:03] do and by that point like the Sega CD was maybe a year old at that point the Neo Geo CD might have been out but that was technically just a CD version of a cartridge based console yeah yeah I mean that's yeah but that's like kind of close enough oh let's see that

[00:58:35] I think yeah actually I think that's actually the reason why the CD is kind of infamous because of the fact that like people believe it was trying to find wow trying to find CD on Wikipedia is yeah it gives you the optical media format and it's like that's not what I'm looking for

[00:59:06] oh there the year the CD compact disc interactive form media form came out but not the console I could be wrong on that but that 1990 sounds way too early player models Philips models 91 the first one 91 seems really fucking

[00:59:35] early I don't know why but it does 91 makes more sense considering the fact that that system always gets hyped up as next gen but it's weaker than the Super Nintendo and Genesis but if it came out 91 it actually makes more sense I

[01:00:13] looks like a VHS that you plug a controller into or VCR that you try to plug a controller into you know I mean it does technically count because it can play games on it but

[01:00:56] you

[01:01:27] games but it just doesn't feel like it was made to be as we said like a video game console the way say a 3do was you know but i think the people at phillips making the cdi were not video game people no they really weren't which the difference here with the 3do is trip trip's idea in theory was very interesting yeah the time it he came up with it though it was never gonna work and

[01:01:57] no no i think he was too late because nintendo and sega had kind of established how video game distribution is gonna be and we've still been kind of writing on that ever since well also because his big idea was like he did not look at it like he didn't look at like sega nintendo at the time or even n-e-c or uh snk for to a lesser extent he was looking at our oh yeah they were yeah they were

[01:02:24] still technically around um kind of um he his idea though was instead he was looking at the home media side of things like he was looking at vhs um because his whole idea was he was gonna make video games a standard which in theory kind of makes sense but in practice video game technology

[01:02:49] especially at that point was so rapidly evolving it would have never worked like honestly nowadays with how it's kind of plateauing it might actually make more sense these days i mean we're nowadays trip's idea of standardizing video games kind of has kind of came to fruition with this thing called steam yeah steam is now like the target platform for basically every video game now

[01:03:16] and i think that's what trip wanted 3do to be sort of like when companies make games you know 3do is kind of the example of what they should do with it yeah and then if it goes to other platforms who cares right but i think that was his idea was to overtake everybody by reinventing the wheel yeah but yeah as you said the wheel was already getting reinvented and was already rolling and trip couldn't catch it and even if he was trying to make a new wheel it wasn't going to be

[01:03:45] as good as that wheel because it just wasn't going to happen because the way it worked is we've explained it in past episodes but a bit of a refresher he um he had basically contracted a developer known as a named david needle there was a few other people involved but david needle's the most predominant um who designed the the basic hardware specs like the whole process he basically designed what the 3do runs off of which for 1993 was pretty powerful yeah it was dave needle and rj michael

[01:04:14] mccall yes the guys who did the links yes yep they were involved with epics and they had um which is a great piece of machinery itself hey the 3do is a very simple and powerful base to work with and i think for the time that was really smart yes like there was no unnecessary bullshit like within the jaguar there was no like nintendo like secrecy and it had a decent power to it and it was very affordable

[01:04:41] yeah and i think that's because they got the guys who made the links and yeah as far as i know the links is a very is not a complicated piece of machinery to work with but it's surprisingly powerful for what it is yeah and and weirdly enough i think the links in 3d both suffer from the same issue which was um too expensive and people really didn't want to support it because of the lack of price and proper install base you know because i think if 3do was treated like any other console

[01:05:11] you know like it was just like oh like 3do takes the hit on the hardware so that you know the software or whatever like how it is nowadays they probably would have been fine they probably would have they probably would have been able to get the m2 out and kind of have a run at it like if trip had made a proper partnership with panasonic and actually gave them a cut of the profits from the games they could have sold the system at a loss a they probably wouldn't have designed it as stupidly

[01:05:37] over designed as the fc1 is as much as i love the fc1 the fc1 is stupidly over designed um yeah because going back to it his whole idea was it was going to be like how vhs was where the the basic specs for how to make a 3do system were here you could buy the rights to make one and then you'd get the specs and you'd make the hardware and then you'd get you basically make your money off of the hardware meanwhile 3do would get all the

[01:06:03] they'd make their money basically off the game sold it was it was essentially the razor and blades mentality but unfortunately when people can't afford the razor no one's going to buy the blades well and the razor and blades theory or idea only works if it's the one company doing everything like if panasonic's only making the hardware and not getting a cut on the software yeah if they're only if they're only selling the razor you know and then not getting the money

[01:06:29] back on the blades well why make the fucking razor like that only works when it's the same company doing everything that's why a lot of early 3do games were published by panasonic because they had to make money somehow yeah and they probably didn't make a lot of money back on that thing and even making the hardware as expensive as it was which was so funny that like even retailers back then were just like no we're knocking the price down you're crazy because panasonic dropped it pretty

[01:06:56] quick especially when the gold star came out and it was half the price yeah but it's just funny to see like when the original suggested price of 700 like places like walmart and toys r us and kb toys like they immediately docked 100 bucks they're like they're like because we're not because they're like we're not gonna sell a video game console worth 700 especially one that has one game on the shelves

[01:07:19] has one game it's like from an unproven company like it's just it's not gonna work you know like i don't know how many ps5 pros are selling but i know that 700 price tag still is not a an attractive price tag no no but it's a different situation what's crazy though is like it looked like trip's idea was gonna work

[01:07:43] at first because like the ads for 3d were really effective like it was a very it was that classic 90s in your face like marketing like i that definitely he definitely learned from sega oh yeah like i to me like i love the the famous uh put away your toys ad where they threw the fucking sega cd and genesis and then the super nintendo into the toy box and then yeah it's like it's such a it's in your

[01:08:12] face but it's not as obnoxious as the jaguar commercial no it's still funny just video game advertising from that era is just kind of funny and amazing like the uh which is crazy too because like it was so well regarded by the media that it was even time magazine's product of the year 93 like yeah it looked like things were going to go well for it but that price tag just i and i think a lot

[01:08:41] of people bought into the hype because trip is a really good salesman he's he's really good at the business pitches like he was able to keep john madden even when the series was struggling he was able to to keep him on um and was able to sort of wheel and deal his way into ea becoming the conglomerate that it is you know so i think he just used a lot of those tactics he had learned in the video game industry and seeing what nintendo and sega were doing and trying to kind of add his own

[01:09:08] spin to it and with ea becoming mainstream because madden was a very mainstream series still to this day you know that a lot of people were probably looking to what he was going to do and and i could see why places like time magazine and others like more kind of mainstream outlets would see the 3do as something special but i imagine probably a lot of like gamer people at the time were a little bit more

[01:09:35] worried about it i think and i can see that it it's a fascinating thing because it's like it's one of those things where like in an alternate timeline it might have worked just yeah in this one not so much but give trip hawkins credit he valiantly stuck with this company until the bitter end oh yeah he he tried his best to make it work and i'll give him credit for all of that um even even the credit

[01:10:02] for sort of the mistakes that they made as well along the way because he hired a lot of really good people who work at 3do like the people at studio 3do who later became just the 3do company once it went third party there were some really good developers there they just you can only do so much when you release a game every three months yeah and then when you have the sega saturn the sony

[01:10:29] playstation and even the nintendo 64 around the corner doing better things like more powerful things at more affordable prices and having stronger game libraries than you because a lot of third parties aren't touching the 3do um you know you have to you have to pivot you know and and that's fair and and around that time when when they did that third party pivot that's when he tried to take on a

[01:10:55] more creative role and tried to like establish like okay like games need to be on like this kind of timeline and we need to get games out or whatever and i think a lot of that is why 3do fucking died because i because i bet you he saw the success of the first army man game and was like that's our ticket baby let's just pump them out now because which is because we need the money which is interesting too

[01:11:19] because the the first couple years of third party 3do they weren't bad like they were actually in a pretty decent track record to be like they could have honestly been a sega i'm going forward like because they had potential they they they did because they famously had the first couple army men's which are decent like they had they had the might magic series because they were very successful at the time they had acquired new world computing the the creators of might magic and they basically just

[01:11:48] let them do what they were doing um although their budgets did get slashed by the end which shows yeah i i think that shows with a lot of the 3do library of games where it's like the the further into like the ps2 we get is like you can tell these games are being made very oh yeah once it hit the 2000s that's where you could tell things were starting to get really yeah because i think it was the games just weren't selling and the budgets just had to keep getting slashed and slashed so and it shows

[01:12:17] famously too they also made uh one of the first 3d mmos with meridian 97 i think it's called okay which is apparently still has a dedicated player base and they have like of course it does they have unofficial servers we'll have to talk about it at some point i don't know how we'll experience it but we'll figure that bridge out when we get there yeah i don't know i will find a way to play that game because it's interesting um yeah i don't know about this

[01:12:49] um it looks like if dagger fall was even rougher yeah i mean it was the first true but then they also have like battle tanks which we've covered in the past which is a very solid game i wouldn't say oh yeah but the story is a masterpiece absolutely the game itself is fine yeah and they were trying to do i think it was like high heat baseball so they were trying to have like another sports franchise but trying to do yeah they did

[01:13:18] have a lot of baseball for a while there yeah so they were they were clearly trying and you can give them credit for that but it's it was obviously like a sinking ship you could tell by the way because they go ahead i was gonna say you could tell by the because trip trip one thing that i'll give trip is like every interview he's like incredibly pleasant like very like into the conversation like he never comes off as a dick um you can tell by i think he is a bit of a dick though

[01:13:44] from what well i mean i was gonna get into uh you could tell by the end of 3do that um he was starting to crack a little bit with the faint the infamous portal runner review response which um yeah is legendary for just how unhinged it was for sure and and i think it's just like again to be the to be that kind of like successful businessman even in this era you have to be a dick

[01:14:12] you just kind of have to have a bit of an ego and be that kind of like a bit of an asshole to make it work it's just it's just the nature of things you know he straight up looks like a bond villain in most photos you see of him so it's oh yeah absolutely like he's got a look yeah like you're like this guy makes video games yeah like he has i don't know yeah like he has a bit of like a snarky vibe to him you know yeah but but yeah but i get the sense that he is okay with admitting

[01:14:41] to his failures maybe nowadays i don't know maybe that he's older he's just like he's like yeah fucked up whatever you know we all do um but yeah i was thinking it was in 2000 may of 2003 is when that went bankrupt um and he sold most of it off like my magic went to ubisoft and all that but he apparently still retains ownership of the 3do hardware and software so he still owns the

[01:15:05] intellectual rights to the 3do name so i guess so i guess when limited run did their like little 3do shirt thing my guess is then trip probably got a little cut of that probably because then because i think like that i think that's famously why the m2 is mostly known as the m2 because they had sold the m2 off to panasonic and they it's just kind of the panasonic m2 after that yeah so but but after

[01:15:30] that uh trip formed a company called digital chocolate i played most of these games as a kid i believe you're not i don't recall playing any of these genuinely so maybe i did but i don't know digital chocolate was an interesting one they came so they came out in uh 2003 pretty much right after

[01:15:52] 3do closed they went bankrupt in may and this company was found in october yes yeah it was five months so i think he was probably getting it geared up anyway and digital chocolate lasted pretty long like they went from 2003 and they were defunct in 2014 because he basically sold everything to another studio called rock you and then moved on to his next project that seems to be something trip does

[01:16:20] especially in his more recent years now unfortunately the thing about digital chocolate is pretty much all of their games are no longer playable they've all been delisted and lost to time but they came so their whole thing was they were one of the first early adapters into the mobile game craze yeah it looks like they were making like java mobile games java mobile games uh j oh yeah that was jme or two or

[01:16:48] whatever the java era java me micro edition i believe yeah sonic unleashed uh mobile phone oh boy oh boy um and probably and some early ios games as well they they did because i played a bunch of these and they were they had a charm to so the reason that i played a lot of these i didn't even realize the

[01:17:12] connection to 3do at the time at all i mean who would true but a lot of their games were they were a bit more flashy than the most games at the time like they had like graphics and they actually like had a style to them like i remember specifically crazy penguin catapult was a big one like it was like penguins would fly across the you'd launch penguins across the screen and hit targets and stuff it was was it

[01:17:36] proto angry birds not not exactly the same because it wasn't really a slingshot but it was kind of like a similar you're throwing you were throwing avian artillery essentially but you were trying to like knock down like a tower of things right uh sort of not so much a tower more like you were hitting like targets like there was a okay the other side similar but not quite they had a they had a breakout clone which was just kind of like the typical you know you move the thing break the blocks everybody everybody

[01:18:06] has a breakout clone i'm pretty sure i have one somewhere theirs was all fun in full 3d though and it was really it was it had a look to it which is why i bought it that's cool the game of theirs that i played the the shit out of was um tower blocks and tower blocks to me was cool because it was essentially a you you were building a skyscraper and it was you build it in segments and the way it worked was like it would be they'd bring the block down on like a crane and it would like swing

[01:18:33] back and forth and you had to like line it up perfectly onto the next part and like the higher you got the higher your score was and it was just it was a addicting time waster they murdered your battery like these games had so much graphics going on that like your battery especially back they would just go down and you'd be like right no more yeah but apparently the the game they're most known for is a game called tornado mania which is like like a weird sim city clone but like you use tornadoes to

[01:19:00] like destroy buildings and then the material you grab from that you kind of like make your own cities or something like that again i don't recognize any of these games because in the early iphone era i did not have an iphone so i was lucky i was lucky to have a blackberry at that time so i don't remember playing that one i probably missed that one but but apparently looking at reviews it got like like ign gave it a perfect 10 and gave it the game of the month in like december of 2006 and it got a pc

[01:19:29] port at the time as well it's probably been delisted a long time ago but i believe pretty much all their games are like long yeah but yeah but there's a couple of their games that have wikipedia articles like crazy penguin catapult 3d brick breaker revolution army attack new in town you know sadly sadly the game strip club manager does not have wikipedia that is that is a damn shame

[01:19:51] uh zombie lane which has i guess smy street logo we missed the best one party island sexy trivia oh i need to find out how to play that one oh there was a racing game i've missed god damn it you're not gonna be able to play every racing game bill i know you did i did play tower blocks

[01:20:16] santa's tower blocks though i remember that oh that was a special thing that popped up holly jolly christmas everybody yeah um but yeah yeah yeah so they seem to be a bit of a forerunner in the in the mobile game space you know before it got like before like angry birds before like clash of clans or like all these like real big games that we associate mobile games with oh yeah so yeah a little bit ahead of their time they were all fun games like that was like the big thing like they

[01:20:45] were when i was into mobile games because i lost interest in mobile games by like 2011 but uh when they they kind of stopped being interesting by that point as well yeah they lost that weird jank to them that made them cool and then they just became now they just feel like yeah they're too polished and they're just trying to get money out of you yeah they're like like like nowadays every fucking mobile game has just like ai generated people on there and they're just like making you watch an

[01:21:12] ad every two seconds and just trying to consume as much fucking their commodities now they're not games like they used to be you know but uh like i said in 2014 he had essentially he well he had stepped out down from a digital chocolate in like 2012 and he was just kind of in the background um before the company had been sold off because he eventually then joined the board of a company called nav effects

[01:21:43] um and they make native x might be native x oh native x yeah that's what it is and they do advertising yep sure i i feel like working in advertising would fucking suck your soul out of your ass and then he also he's also on the advisory board for a company called skills

[01:22:07] e-sports bullshit yeah e-sports bullshit who fucking cares um he has a newer startup now called if you can company which quote aims to foster social and emotional development in children teaching passion and anti-bullying lessons through video games i guess they have a game called if yeah i tried to find info on this and all i saw was this picture of like this cartoon deer and i was

[01:22:32] gonna tell you what this is um the person deer is gonna tell you bullying is bad i'm sure it's perfectly fine for what it is but this is beyond the point of me i mean i mean it feels like it's meant to be an educational tool you know and that and and sure why not well he's kind of reached that point now in like his career where he's done everything else so you might as well give it a shot try to do something

[01:22:58] for yeah a different audience yeah and apparently he's also a professor at the university of california santa barbara he taught he does um i guess he does classes on entrepreneurship and leadership which yeah fair enough you know he's probably the guy to do it um and he has it go ahead and in 2005 he became the eighth person to be inducted into the academy of interactive arts and sciences

[01:23:23] which he deserved for sure um and yeah and he has an instagram page and i've been kind of glancing at it and and it's full of just like him pulling out random stuff or you know going to the gym or you know just instagram stuff right um nothing too crazy in there um there is there are 3do references in his instagram they're they're a little bit further down um but they are there

[01:23:52] he went through his face like like there's a there's a picture of i think it's him with his son and his son has like a club 3do jacket on or studio 3do jacket which is kind of cool that's cool i know when uh the 3do's anniversary came out on uh bitter before uh that site collapsed uh he did make a post about it so he does acknowledge it when um oh yeah the time comes i don't think he actually

[01:24:17] hates 3do i think it's just i think he's sick of talking about it at the moment so he's just kind of uh would rather just talk about his card projects yeah well yeah and like the the like the whole madden thing happened and i think he was i think he was more willing to talk about that because he's like oh i i created madden give me all the credit i created it you know that kind of guy 3do hasn't

[01:24:42] 3do hasn't quite hit its like chic moment where it's like relevant in like the public space again and people are going crazy for it and want to know more it'll happen i think it'll happen i think it'll happen in a couple years but i don't think we're there yet no i think but i think there's a few other consoles like obscure consoles that have to have their moment i mean 3do got referenced in a hot fucking hyper dimension neptunio game so at least that's a step like something happened there

[01:25:08] i mean i mean it got talked about in an amazon prime documentary like a mainstream one about fucking madden like like 3do was talked about for a good while like more than i expected so there is that and they did talk about how they were able to get a 3do for a madden for the 3do which is well better maddens exactly go listen to our episode or we talk about it um so yeah but yeah but but but

[01:25:35] when trip is ready to talk about 3do again he's more than welcome on this show i i mean in all honesty we've made jokes but like you got to respect the guy for what he did in the industry like he arguably is responsible for one of one of the most important video game companies of all time yeah like he like he may not have the same love or notoriety as like a shigeru miyamoto a satoru

[01:25:59] iwata um you know those kind of more japanese influencers even even a guy like say like tom kalinsky you know who i think who i think people really like kalinsky right or like a like a jason rubin um jason rubin um ted price even though ted price was more to himself but he i mean the fact that he stayed at insomniac for all that long yeah a nolan bushnell nolan bushnell will write

[01:26:23] will write sid meyer you know like like he like weirdly enough i think trip sits with these guys as being like big important names in the video game industry but like he doesn't have the same reverence to him as some of those other guys and i think that's because he was never really a game dev like i think he could have been a game dev but i think he was more interested in the the business side of things and getting everything figured out on that regard and and also he was just

[01:26:54] he i'm not sure you you go ahead i was gonna say like i think his biggest thing was like a lot of these other guys like they have latched on like despite a lot of most of them like leaving their companies to try and pursue other things they still are pretty much let they pretty much latched onto those companies with like everything they do now like they're always trying to like stay somewhat relevant with their creations rip's big thing was he would create something and then he

[01:27:20] would move on to do something else like he was always like kind of like on the move like he wanted to find he was always trip's big thing to me is he always was interested in finding creating something new and moving on from that which i think is one of the reasons why he doesn't he doesn't quite have that same like kind of iconic image as like the other guys like people know trip hawkins but they don't usually think of him as like the face of ea or like the face face of 3do despite

[01:27:49] it kind of being the face of 3do in a way yeah yeah that's weird according to his website there's like a weird question thing where it mentions stuff about like can you help me with ip rights for like 3do and it says he doesn't own or control any of that ip maybe he sold it off he might have at one point because he just i wouldn't be surprised if he sold it to limited run i wouldn't either but

[01:28:17] i really that actually makes me kind of upset i'm like i hope not honestly kind of same um yeah be curious to know who apparently uh it's a company called ziggurat interactive owns the rights to many of the 3do video game titles so they may own the hardware as well but i guess the 3do ip is now owned by ziggurat interactive which i do know that name are they like an overseas company or

[01:28:44] they might be um let's see um check out their linkedin they're from denver colorado oh it's the note no c's here they specialize in classic gaming content bring games from the 80s 90s and early 2000s to modern gaming platforms and then you look at their website um and yeah they have

[01:29:08] like um like a boy and his blob uh both versions um american hero um uh the blood rain revamped stuff was them um just a lot of like random old stuff so typical video game company that just likes to keep basically a nostalgia company as i like to call them that's basically what they are as a nostalgia company and i guess they own most of the rights to 3do stuff i mean hell killing killing

[01:29:37] times on here um maybe if i keep scrolling down maybe po's on here um because i believe the 3do hardware itself is is considered open source these days anyways so it's not like um yeah probably yeah most that's probably most likely on that regard um but yeah i'm seeing some 3do stuff here as well so i i don't know i don't know but um yeah trip trip's an interesting guy honestly it's he's the reason

[01:30:06] this show exists in a way um yeah weirdly enough and we'll be sure he'll definitely be mentioned again at some point we'll definitely have him on one day god damn it i i'd love to i'd love to interview honestly i mean he he's he's the white whale so i think this podcast has to become successful enough

[01:30:28] to where to where he becomes aware of it and then it kind of goes from there yeah i don't know if he's on blue sky not the look i don't think so probably not he's on and he has his instagram though true so i'm not sure what other socials he has it was linkedin should i message him on linkedin

[01:30:55] yo you want to be on our podcast i bet you he gets like podcast invitations all the time probably yeah but um yeah so next week we're actually going to be changing it up a little bit we're going to be covering a non-3do game period but it is tangentially related a spiritual successor we're going to be

[01:31:22] covering um oh i just got all pretentious there i would have said it that's okay we're gonna we're going to be covering road redemption the spiritual successor to road rash which i have had downloaded now for since basically we started the show uh well brought it back i should say and i really have been meaning to play it so it's going to be really interesting to see how it holds up i've i've played

[01:31:48] a little bit of it i will i won't say much but okay we will talk about it next week because it is an interesting game to cover in some regard yeah and so that'll be we'll be trying something new next week i'm looking forward to it but um yeah anyways guys uh once again thank you for joining us on uh the 3do experience so you can find the 3do experience on all your major podcasting platforms particularly

[01:32:13] apple podcast and spotify and be sure to check us out over on the superpod network that is superpod network.com awesome site a whole bunch of different podcasts shows um blogs we're about to kick off a playstation month of our blog reviews where we'll each be covering a different playstation game so that should be fun uh going forward and you can also check out all the other awesome shows over

[01:32:37] on the site like superpod saga super ghost radio retro rehab tommy's video game ride along a novel console bar silence find time the elder trolls gaming podcast remember 64 gaming together friday night game cast gaming and collecting the 3do experience geek addicts uh the retro wildlands press b to cancel the pre-order bonus podcast retro mobile views and what is tommy's new show called again tommy and

[01:33:06] his his friend bullshit i don't fucking know uh tommy and it's his friend tommy and grant go podcast grant grant god fucking grant because tommy can't control himself and he's been on he retires and unretires more than uh brett farve brett farve yeah yeah but we were thinking the same

[01:33:32] i'm glad we were thinking the same direction there aaron rogers don't go to the vikings please oh he still plays right well well that's the thing he went from the packers to the jets like farve right and he has now left the jets or the jets have parted ways with him and people are wondering where he's gonna land and some people are saying he should fulfill the prophecy and join the vikings and i'm like please god i would be horrified absolutely horrified i don't think it's gonna

[01:33:59] happen like the the main one that there are some teams people are thinking of but the vikings are not in that talk they're in that talk for the funsies but i don't think it's like a legitimate place he's gonna go because they don't really i don't want him i don't we're not gonna we're not gonna get a performance from him like we got oh nine farve like that's just not gonna happen oh that would

[01:34:21] be funny oh that's that that season oh man oh boy i can i could do a whole podcast about my experience with the oh nine viking season but that's a that's another topic in itself but uh yeah anyways guys be sure to at the time of this recording the following the time this comes out the following day be sure to check out uh the super pod network we'll be doing a super show over there i'm not

[01:34:47] sure if it'll be live or not but uh keep an eye out for it yeah we're doing it thursday i think yes um yeah yeah that's that's right um not not sure what we're doing but we'll find out when we get there yeah we'll probably talk about the state of play or some other whatevers shoot the shit like normal sounds good to me but uh anyways guys once again thank you for joining

[01:35:09] us we'll see you all later bye-bye on a 3do system