The 3DO Experience - Episode 38: Wing Commander III: A Chris Roberts Game... On 3DO!

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[00:00:44] I am Bill and this is Thrak. How are you doing Thrak?

[00:00:46] Oh, I'm here Bill. Since last week it's been kind of rough

[00:00:53] but, you know, I'm hanging in there doing what I can to survive

[00:00:58] How are you?

[00:01:00] I'm doing alright. Just one of those weeks where it's really busy

[00:01:06] but like, it's taking forever at the same time

[00:01:10] I think it's because Memorial Day weekend is coming up in a couple weeks

[00:01:14] so I'm just kind of waiting for that

[00:01:17] Fair enough, fair enough

[00:01:20] Yeah, other than that though, nothing too crazy

[00:01:23] mostly just getting used to... it's warm again

[00:01:26] Yeah, and it sucks

[00:01:29] See, I like it but I'm not a cold person

[00:01:34] Well, our air conditioning is out for the moment

[00:01:39] It's probably fine but one day we had it on

[00:01:45] and I noticed there was a little bit of leaking

[00:01:49] Like it wasn't terrible, it was just a little bit

[00:01:52] and I think it's one of the pipe that was right next to

[00:01:57] might be slightly misaligned

[00:01:59] I'm not sure but we called in the people to come in

[00:02:04] and look at it but they can't look at it until next week

[00:02:09] But thankfully, I think tomorrow is going to be kind of in the 80s

[00:02:13] but then it drops to the 60s for like the rest of the week

[00:02:16] so we'll probably be okay

[00:02:19] That's not bad

[00:02:20] Yeah, and my guess is it's probably nothing serious

[00:02:23] and even the leaking I saw was very light

[00:02:27] but we got to it

[00:02:29] It was better I found it then

[00:02:31] than say like in the next day or so

[00:02:33] it's like oh why is there this giant puddle on the floor

[00:02:36] which would be worse

[00:02:38] So yeah, so it is what it is

[00:02:41] I have my little fan here off camera

[00:02:44] that I basically just have on forever

[00:02:47] and my car is in the shop getting repaired

[00:02:50] so I have a rental for the moment

[00:02:53] a brand new Toyota Camry

[00:02:55] God damn, these new cars are really fancy

[00:03:00] The car I have is a 2013

[00:03:03] which is over 10 years now, fuck

[00:03:05] but this new one's pretty nice

[00:03:07] has all the safety features and everything

[00:03:10] and the Bluetooth to my phone is really nice

[00:03:14] so I can scare the hose

[00:03:16] while I'm driving to work at 7.30 in the morning

[00:03:18] which is what you should be doing

[00:03:20] when you're driving to work

[00:03:22] That's what I do like every morning

[00:03:24] because I go in at 6

[00:03:26] so I have to leave by like 5

[00:03:29] so it's like dark

[00:03:31] Yeah, but you heard it here first everybody

[00:03:33] Bill scares the hose

[00:03:36] It happens

[00:03:39] Well, we're recording this on Tuesday

[00:03:44] and you guys know me as the Xbox guy

[00:03:46] there was some Xbox news today

[00:03:48] Bad Xbox news

[00:03:52] Yeah, the script is flipped

[00:03:53] everyone's mad at Microsoft now

[00:03:55] because people's attention span goes so fast

[00:03:58] Yeah, for those of you who don't know

[00:04:03] Xbox has decided to shut down

[00:04:05] Arcane Austin

[00:04:07] Tango Gameworks

[00:04:09] and there were two other studios

[00:04:11] I can't remember them off the top of my head

[00:04:13] but there were all Bethesda studios

[00:04:15] There was like four that they shut down

[00:04:17] and it sucks

[00:04:20] Apparently not everybody is getting fired

[00:04:24] a lot of them I guess are going to get moved into different positions at Bethesda

[00:04:28] It still sucks that they all got shut down

[00:04:31] especially Tango Gameworks

[00:04:33] Tango was the people

[00:04:35] Yeah, because they just did Hi-Fi Rush

[00:04:37] which was really good

[00:04:39] and people pulled out a tweet from Aaron Greenberg

[00:04:42] saying it was a breakout hit for them

[00:04:44] and they were like, oh, it was really good

[00:04:47] but yet we also heard, oh, it didn't sell that well or whatever

[00:04:50] I honestly don't know

[00:04:53] This Xbox just seems like a weird shit show

[00:04:56] when it comes to business and administration

[00:04:58] There are certain people who want it one way

[00:05:01] and some people who want it another way

[00:05:03] and it just seems like a complete mess right now

[00:05:05] which isn't a good look

[00:05:07] And of course people are now catastrophizing

[00:05:11] and say, oh, is Ninja Theory going to get shut down?

[00:05:14] If Hellbite doesn't succeed

[00:05:16] and I hope that's not the case

[00:05:18] From what I've hypothesized

[00:05:22] is that Bethesda saw how well the Fallout show did

[00:05:26] and they were like, oh, we don't have a Fallout game

[00:05:29] even in development right now

[00:05:31] So my guess is Microsoft probably was like

[00:05:34] okay, we need to reconfigure Bethesda

[00:05:37] so that they could be a two-game studio

[00:05:40] so they can work on a nail the scrolls and a Fallout

[00:05:43] And I unfortunately think this is

[00:05:46] how they thought was the best way to do it

[00:05:49] which I don't agree with

[00:05:51] It sounds like they were fat trimming

[00:05:53] but they did it the wrong way

[00:05:55] Yeah, exactly

[00:05:57] because Arcane Lion still exists

[00:06:00] They're the ones who are making that Marvel Blade game

[00:06:03] So they're still around

[00:06:05] It was the team that did Redfall that went away

[00:06:09] Which again, it's like one rough game

[00:06:11] shouldn't be enough to kill a studio

[00:06:13] At least I wish it wasn't

[00:06:15] And also Microsoft, they're not the only studio to do this

[00:06:20] Sony doesn't routinely

[00:06:22] Sony's done it, EA has done it

[00:06:24] Take Two has done it

[00:06:25] Ubisoft has done it

[00:06:26] All the major ones are doing it

[00:06:28] I think it's just that

[00:06:30] Xbox kind of did the biggest show of it recently

[00:06:34] So it hits really hard

[00:06:36] And I understand

[00:06:37] It's also the whole way that

[00:06:40] people are nowadays

[00:06:42] They can only be so mad at something for so long

[00:06:45] because let's face it, people don't give a crap

[00:06:48] about the help divers too

[00:06:50] They've already moved on from that

[00:06:52] See, that whole thing seemed really stupid to me

[00:06:55] Just once again proved to me that all you have to do to get Sony to back down is just bully them until they give in

[00:07:00] And it's like

[00:07:02] And people were mad that they had to like this game

[00:07:05] They had to like make an account for or something

[00:07:08] And it's like

[00:07:10] Don't most like PC games want you to have some kind of account?

[00:07:13] I don't know, I'm not a PC guy

[00:07:15] But like the whole thing just seemed really fucking

[00:07:19] It seemed manufactured

[00:07:21] I'm sure there's some deeper reason behind it

[00:07:24] I personally didn't give much of a shit because

[00:07:27] Help divers too is a good game

[00:07:29] But I don't really care that much

[00:07:30] It's like just make the account

[00:07:32] Even though I have like Game Pass

[00:07:35] I had to go through the rigmarole of adding

[00:07:39] Like making an EA account

[00:07:41] And linking it to my Xbox

[00:07:43] So that say like on the off chance I play

[00:07:46] Their PGA tour game or something

[00:07:48] I have access to online features or something stupid

[00:07:51] And I did it, I did it because it's like whatever

[00:07:54] It's not that big a deal

[00:07:56] And if people are worried about like

[00:07:58] Their like data getting tracked or whatever

[00:08:01] It's like well one they already do that

[00:08:03] And two a lot of them now you can just uncheck the box

[00:08:07] To be like no I don't want you to do that

[00:08:09] They probably still do it anyways

[00:08:10] But you know what I mean like

[00:08:12] The whole people bitching about

[00:08:14] Help divers too thing seemed really stupid

[00:08:17] Like really fucking stupid

[00:08:19] And it was like it was watching Brain Rot

[00:08:22] You know what it really was probably

[00:08:25] It was a slow news week

[00:08:27] It happened one person got mad about it

[00:08:29] And it just blew up

[00:08:31] That's probably what happened

[00:08:33] Like I said there might be some bigger thing

[00:08:35] That I'm not really paying attention to

[00:08:37] Because I don't care frankly

[00:08:39] I don't either

[00:08:43] I don't know

[00:08:45] And all I can say is I hope

[00:08:49] I hope that all the other Xbox studios are fine

[00:08:52] Like Obsidian

[00:08:55] Yeah Obsidian

[00:08:57] Ninja Theory, Double Fine, Compulsion

[00:09:00] You know all those guys

[00:09:02] I think they'll be fine

[00:09:05] This seemed more like a Bethesda thing

[00:09:07] Yeah that's my thing

[00:09:09] I think this is more of a Bethesda thing

[00:09:11] And Microsoft just kind of

[00:09:13] Like a black studio vault

[00:09:15] It feels just like it's Bethesda wanting to restructure

[00:09:19] That's what it felt like to me

[00:09:21] I mean it's still shitty the way it was done

[00:09:23] Absolutely

[00:09:24] But that's just my guess

[00:09:26] I don't know

[00:09:28] Like people are just looming seeing doom and gloom already

[00:09:30] And just people catastrophize like crazy

[00:09:32] And I get it like the video game industry is not healthy right now

[00:09:35] It's in a very weird transitional state

[00:09:39] Of like

[00:09:41] People don't know what the next thing is

[00:09:43] Or where we're going I honestly don't know either

[00:09:47] You know it's one of those

[00:09:49] We're just in a

[00:09:51] They say what is it they say

[00:09:54] It's a curse to live in interesting times or something like that

[00:09:57] And that's where we're at

[00:09:59] Where it's like you know who knows

[00:10:02] I view it as

[00:10:04] The industry is like relying way too much on like really big games

[00:10:08] You know like these big triple A games

[00:10:11] It seems like everybody in the industry is waiting for GTA 6 to come out

[00:10:15] And like fix everything you know

[00:10:18] Because you know things are down

[00:10:20] And so people are like oh GTA 6 will come out and fix everything

[00:10:23] It's like well GTA 6 is going to sell incredibly well

[00:10:25] It's going to do

[00:10:27] It's probably going to break all the records GTA 5 set

[00:10:30] But it's just like that's not a good industry

[00:10:33] When like everything else is relying on that

[00:10:36] You know and then you have like

[00:10:39] I think I saw some it was like 60% of like

[00:10:42] The games being played are like 60% of like the game time

[00:10:46] Or whatever is just spent on like six games

[00:10:49] You know in the six games are like Fortnite Roblox Warzone

[00:10:52] Whatever Minecraft you know that kind of stuff

[00:10:54] PUBG all that stuff and

[00:10:57] And a lot of devs are like how the fuck

[00:11:00] Do we deal with this you know the fact that just like

[00:11:04] Like most people are just playing that

[00:11:07] You know what I mean?

[00:11:09] Well it's like they say like Netflix

[00:11:11] Netflix's biggest competitor is Fortnite

[00:11:13] Not because of streaming just in terms of like

[00:11:15] Attention like that it's taking from like potential viewers

[00:11:19] Yeah and I had heard some about I forget where I heard this

[00:11:22] But somebody said that like Minecraft and Fortnight Roblox

[00:11:25] And all that in a way kids are probably treating that

[00:11:29] The way we used to treat say like you know

[00:11:32] MSN back in the day

[00:11:34] Where it's like it's just a thing you socialize with your friends with

[00:11:37] You know and that's kind of the vibe I've gotten from some of like

[00:11:41] You know some of the people I've talked to who are younger than me

[00:11:44] Who play games they usually just play like

[00:11:46] Like I knew one guy who just played Apex

[00:11:49] But the only reason he played a lot of Apex was because

[00:11:52] Him and a group of friends played it so they were just hanging out and playing that

[00:11:55] You know what I mean? It's a thing kids do to socialize

[00:11:58] You know which isn't a bad thing at all but

[00:12:02] You know I don't know things are just fucking weird right now

[00:12:05] Yeah like the industry you could tell the industry wants more

[00:12:09] People like us like you and me who just buy and play all the weird shit that comes out

[00:12:14] Because we're just interested in all of it

[00:12:16] You know they want more of us but they don't know how to get more of us

[00:12:20] You know and I don't know either

[00:12:23] I would like to see more of a return to like smaller games

[00:12:27] Like double A games that would be nice

[00:12:30] I like being able to finish a game within a couple of days not like

[00:12:33] Yeah I'm tired of every triple A game being like this open world

[00:12:36] 50 plus hour thing it's fucking ridiculous man

[00:12:39] They all don't need to be this

[00:12:41] Like GTA is gonna be that but that's what GTA has always been

[00:12:45] So I don't know

[00:12:48] Go ahead

[00:12:49] I was gonna say if you're gonna make a game that's massive

[00:12:52] At least put stuff in the world because that's the big assassin's greed problem I have

[00:12:56] Those worlds are very nice in large but there's so little to do with them

[00:13:01] Yeah

[00:13:02] At times

[00:13:03] Like I just be Jedi survivor the other day

[00:13:06] And really like Jedi survivor

[00:13:08] Jedi survivor is a great game

[00:13:10] It's definitely worth playing especially if you like to fall in order

[00:13:13] But one of the biggest probably the biggest issue I had with it was all the maps

[00:13:18] It felt they were way too big

[00:13:21] It's not an open world game or anything

[00:13:23] But there's so much area to cover in all the maps

[00:13:28] Like much more than fall in order

[00:13:30] But it follows the same game design as fall in order

[00:13:33] Where you know like the little sidetracks you do

[00:13:36] You just get some cosmetics and some light stuff

[00:13:39] Like nothing that crazy

[00:13:41] And you get some like you know occasional health upgrades and things like that

[00:13:44] Which are nice but the game felt like it was much bigger than it needed to be

[00:13:50] Like I think my playtime of fall in order was like a little over 20 hours

[00:13:55] Probably 22 or 23 hours

[00:13:57] And then this playthrough of Jedi fall in order I crossed like 35 pretty easily

[00:14:04] You know I mean it's still not like a super long game or anything

[00:14:07] But it's just it felt like it was way bigger than it needed to be

[00:14:11] Just in terms of the map size

[00:14:13] Yeah

[00:14:14] But I guess it was a thing of they weren't sure what to do

[00:14:18] I guess to the map because honestly everything else is better

[00:14:21] It's much more refined like the story is a lot better

[00:14:24] Combat feels better movements better

[00:14:26] They added like the Sekiro grapple hook so that was cool

[00:14:30] There's a lot of cool things about the game

[00:14:32] And I'll be curious to what part three is going to do

[00:14:34] Because despite all the bullshit EA's doing

[00:14:36] We know we're getting a third part of this Jedi series

[00:14:39] Because the first two have done really well and it was a vision to be a trilogy

[00:14:42] So we'll hear from we'll probably hear about that

[00:14:45] I'd say in a couple years

[00:14:49] But yeah like I hope that third one better not be open world

[00:14:53] Or I'll be fucking pissed

[00:14:54] Because I even heard that like

[00:14:56] What game did I hear was going to be open world and people were not happy with it

[00:15:00] There's probably a few of those

[00:15:01] Like oh I think it was Resident Evil 9

[00:15:03] I heard it was Resident Evil 9

[00:15:05] And it's like are you fuck really just 9 need to be open world

[00:15:10] Like I don't know about that

[00:15:12] Like I heard like year 6 could potentially be open world

[00:15:15] Which they already kind of flirted with that at 5

[00:15:18] Which is a mixed response kind of thing

[00:15:21] I don't know I don't know

[00:15:25] If we keep going this way the industry is going to crash again

[00:15:28] Like it's just going to happen because

[00:15:30] This model isn't sustainable

[00:15:32] And I don't know

[00:15:34] The only thing I can think to fix it would just be to like trim the fuck down

[00:15:38] And be like guys let's just like calm this down

[00:15:40] And just start making a bunch of smaller games that we can get out quicker

[00:15:44] Because it seems the answer is just more product for people to get

[00:15:48] And the only way you're going to make more product is just make smaller games

[00:15:52] You know because even when I think it was when Sony had the Insomniac leaks or whatever

[00:15:57] And they were like oh you know Spider-Man 2 costed this much to develop

[00:16:01] And it was a lot of fucking money

[00:16:03] And even though it's sold how much make-up is that game sold now

[00:16:06] Like 10 million or something

[00:16:07] A lot it was very successful

[00:16:09] Yeah but apparently it's like barely broke even

[00:16:13] On those numbers and it's like I don't know how the fuck you sustain that

[00:16:18] I really don't and you have like you know Square Enix being the biggest

[00:16:24] Notoriously like oh this underperformed kind of company

[00:16:28] And you know Square Enix is doing their bullshit right now too

[00:16:31] So like who knows what's going to happen honestly

[00:16:34] But it's just we're not in good times

[00:16:38] We're not

[00:16:39] And I feel bad for everybody at Bethesda and Xbox who have like lost their jobs over this

[00:16:46] Because even one of the dudes who like works there like made a tweet about how this was like

[00:16:53] Oh yeah the Arcane Lion director basically like made a couple tweets about how like this fucking sucks basically

[00:17:01] You know he's like this is dog shit

[00:17:03] Like and his job wasn't affected at all but he's just like this didn't need to happen

[00:17:07] And I completely agree because it's it's fucking Microsoft

[00:17:11] They have the money to keep these people up

[00:17:14] I have a very strong suspicion like we had kind of alluded to earlier

[00:17:18] Microsoft is kind of just there through this whole thing and this was all Bethesda kind of working at its own

[00:17:23] Yeah but like Microsoft is bankrolling them

[00:17:26] Because they fucking own them

[00:17:28] Yeah I feel like they're letting me be

[00:17:31] Microsoft's a trillion dollar company

[00:17:32] Like they have the money to keep an extra like 1900 people on the payroll

[00:17:37] Like I don't I don't know man

[00:17:39] Like if they if they wanted Arcane Austin to help out on like the next fallout game

[00:17:44] They could have just been like a our next thing is you guys are going to help out on the next fallout game

[00:17:48] They didn't have to close them

[00:17:49] If they want tango to do that or I don't know I don't know I heard tango was kind of on

[00:17:56] Shaky ground when when Shinji Mikami left anyways

[00:17:59] Yeah, that's kind of why I feel like they they did even bother keeping the name around they just moved everyone somewhere else

[00:18:05] Yeah, cuz like

[00:18:07] They weren't gonna fire Shinji Mikami like there's like that's that's way too bad of press to do that if he was still there

[00:18:14] You know yeah, like that doesn't that's not a good look because he's a legend

[00:18:18] So I don't know Shinji Mikami is doing these days. He's just done

[00:18:22] He might have moved to some other project. I haven't really paid attention lately

[00:18:26] Let's see he left in February of last year

[00:18:32] He planned to leave apparently eight years prior

[00:18:35] But he's like I was like all these games and the works I'll make sure they were done

[00:18:43] So his personal reasons to leave he comments a desire to create an environment for young developers to gain experience

[00:18:49] And to distance himself from the survival horror genre

[00:18:53] So my guess is he might be making a small indie studio again. Yeah

[00:18:58] The typical with these big name creators. They'll make a thing

[00:19:03] Get it off the ground and then they move on to something else

[00:19:07] Yeah, and then he's like I don't want to do survival or anymore. God damn it. Leave me alone

[00:19:12] Yeah

[00:19:13] Wasn't it the only reason he did evil within was because everyone begged him to do a survival horror game

[00:19:19] Yeah, pretty much and he just went in fuck it

[00:19:23] Yeah, and he went fucking off the rails and made it like exactly what he would have done if he had like so all the freedom

[00:19:29] And admittedly it was a very good game

[00:19:32] What I've played of people within one I did like

[00:19:35] Two is even better. So yeah, so I like to get back to him at some point but

[00:19:41] Before we can do it

[00:19:42] I mean, I mean hell if hell if the industry is about to like I wouldn't be shocked to say like the industry crash

[00:19:47] And there's like say a year and a half period where nothing major comes out

[00:19:51] And the and the thing is it would hurt the industry

[00:19:54] But I feel like all of us would just be like, oh, thank God we just play our fucking backlogs now

[00:19:58] You know like like a crash of this industry would affect the industry

[00:20:02] But it wouldn't affect us at least I don't think so

[00:20:05] Cuz like all these companies would make sure to keep all like the servers up so we could still play so they can still get some money coming in

[00:20:13] And like the original crash I mean it's probably gonna be strictly like an American thing again anyways because like Japan wasn't even affected by the original crash either so

[00:20:22] I'm sure I mean I don't know the numbers. I'm sure but I know Japan's game industry is different than ours

[00:20:28] Yeah, I mean hell like every time Capcom does well they're just like oh everybody gets a raise

[00:20:34] Yeah

[00:20:35] And like and like Nintendo's retention rate is what 98%

[00:20:39] Yeah, generally people who work in Nintendo don't leave so

[00:20:43] Yeah, well I think we know the true culprit of this and that is western capitalism. That's the real problem

[00:20:52] I said it I said the quiet part out loud we know it's the fucking problem. Okay

[00:20:57] Speaking of that somewhat we should probably this is a 3d opogus

[00:21:01] We should probably touch on the the limited run games incident recently. Oh fuck

[00:21:07] Yeah, yeah, you say that bill I need to take us with the water

[00:21:12] Yeah

[00:21:13] So recently limited run has announced that they're making 3d o games all of a sudden

[00:21:19] And their whole big thing was there were re-releasing plumbers don't wear ties and D of all games

[00:21:24] Well, it was discovered that the copies of D that they had printed were printed on CDRs

[00:21:32] And

[00:21:35] Apparently they didn't work on every 3d o

[00:21:39] Yeah, so the the version of D is already out

[00:21:44] That plumbers don't wear ties. It was like a one day pre-order thing

[00:21:48] And it was around the time we had finished the episode I think

[00:21:52] Yes, it was like I think the day after like literally

[00:21:55] Yeah, and I just went fuck it. I ordered it

[00:21:58] I think it was like what $69 something stupid

[00:22:02] So and as far as I know that's not it's either not shipping or arriving until August

[00:22:10] Like that's what it had said

[00:22:12] So when that comes out, I will I'll probably do like an unboxing of it and upload it on YouTube

[00:22:19] So to see if they remain the CDR thing because yeah, like

[00:22:25] The thing is like CDRs. It's basically they just took

[00:22:29] Like a stack of discs that you could just buy it like a Walmart or something for nothing

[00:22:34] And just burn them with like a CD burner which isn't the same thing as like pressing the data into a disc

[00:22:41] It is a different process

[00:22:42] It is a different process

[00:22:45] And when and that's the thing when you burn

[00:22:48] Data to a disc I know with 3DO

[00:22:51] That

[00:22:52] People have attempted this in the past to like burn

[00:22:56] Games to discs to play them on 3DOs because they are you know, like there's no

[00:23:01] Regist coding. There's no copy protection

[00:23:04] But 3DO home brewers and people know that that's not a guaranteed workaround

[00:23:09] You know, it would be one thing if all 3DOs played CDR is no problem. Nobody would fucking care but

[00:23:17] Just like because it's such a open source type of system

[00:23:22] That's why it's so weird because every part of the process could be fucked like oh your CD burner could like not burn it at the right speed

[00:23:31] The CDs that you used could not be like the right type of metal or something like the

[00:23:37] Engine the the motor of your like CD drive could be slightly faulty. There's so many

[00:23:43] Gaps in the process of burning a 3DO game file onto a CD and playing it that could be fucked up

[00:23:51] And that's kind of the issue

[00:23:54] Other go ahead. The other major thing was their testing process

[00:23:59] They made a big deal about how they tested five 3DOs that it worked in every single one

[00:24:04] They did they neglected to mention what 3DO models they even tested like for all we know they tested five FC 10s or five FC ones and

[00:24:13] I wouldn't be surprised if they had like an FC one and an FC 10. They probably have like two of them

[00:24:21] but like

[00:24:23] They don't they probably do they have a gold star? I doubt it not

[00:24:27] They definitely don't have a Sanio because those things are rare as fuck. Yeah, I mean let me run

[00:24:32] I mean they could potentially have the money to find them but

[00:24:36] But yeah, the whole thing just I mean this is another

[00:24:39] Notch in their belt of just fucking up like really bad

[00:24:43] You know like they've really heard their reputation over the years from just like I mean

[00:24:48] I ordered some stuff from them and yeah, I had stuff arrive damaged

[00:24:51] I've never dealt with our customer service by no other customer services dog shit

[00:24:55] At least from what I've heard

[00:24:57] And it's just a shame that so many companies are doing their physical additions through them rather than just doing them themselves

[00:25:04] Which says to me is limited run like fronting the costs for all these companies to do it. I don't know

[00:25:11] It's

[00:25:12] It's a best there are other companies that do this kind of limited-run thing

[00:25:15] But it's it's like much smaller like indie stuff, you know

[00:25:19] I mean like limited run or doing fucking like the Laura Croft collection and like the Castlevania collection and

[00:25:26] Like hi fire. I think they're doing high-fire rush assuming that physical addition still happening. I have a feeling it is

[00:25:32] but

[00:25:33] You know like all like like they're doing like some like big notable games now, which just seems so weird

[00:25:41] To me like like far cry three blood dragon got a physical. Yeah stab the blue. They're like here's that and I'm like

[00:25:49] What I just find it really hilarious the game that broke this the fucking Campbell's back was fucking D of all games

[00:25:58] So so to the D fans that listen, I hope you guys are happy

[00:26:03] You know, it's funny too D's not even that rare of a game

[00:26:06] Well, the 3d o versions rare, but like the Saturn version so is pretty common

[00:26:11] Like it's not yeah, but but people wanted the 3d over like limited run have kind of attached themselves to the 3d

[00:26:16] Oh, and they fucked up everything. They've tried with it so far, which is yeah

[00:26:21] I mean, I mean, I mean plumber their remaster plumbers was fine the remaster. I have no problem with even if

[00:26:28] There were there was some laziness in there, but I mean, yeah

[00:26:32] Yeah

[00:26:34] Fucking dungeon crawler. I fucking love and hate at the same time, but a glorified menu. Yeah

[00:26:40] Yeah, but I just that whole situation was bizarre and it's like I was like I love the fact that 3d. I was getting publicity

[00:26:48] But this isn't the publicity I wanted

[00:26:50] Yeah, and then like then loaded run was like, oh no, we did it. We swear or whatever it was fucking weird

[00:26:57] You know what it was weird? You know what it does though

[00:27:00] It gives me so much more appreciation for world of games and like the amount of effort they put into yeah, fairy

[00:27:06] Yeah, like it was fantastic and I guarantee you that disc was pressed no burning here. Yeah

[00:27:13] Guaranteed ran floss on both my FC 10 and one so oh, yeah

[00:27:18] So but the but at the very least I can say limited run they

[00:27:24] I'm glad they do digital publishing as well

[00:27:28] So that we can get this stuff, you know

[00:27:30] Like you just like download it on your Xbox or whatever and you're good to go

[00:27:34] Which is nice and and the whole carbon engine thing that they're doing I think is really cool

[00:27:39] Which I guess the carbon engine is just like a like a fancier retro arch or something. That's them like able to

[00:27:46] Have like a hub that they can

[00:27:49] Do like some really nice emulated remasters of old games

[00:27:54] Which which is cool that that exists, you know, so

[00:27:58] You know, yeah, there are nice things about it, but like still it's

[00:28:04] I don't know

[00:28:06] Yeah, I'm just not I'm just not in a good mood and this stuff just didn't know no

[00:28:13] But I yeah, so I guess moving on though for our game for this episode by far the longest game we've covered so far

[00:28:21] Oh, yeah, we yeah, wink man, which has fucking Mark Hamlin. He pissed me off the other day. God damn it

[00:28:27] Do I want to know?

[00:28:29] He was at a

[00:28:31] not to get too political, but he was at a White House press briefing and

[00:28:35] and

[00:28:36] Hamels one of those guys who is a a one of those like Hollywood libs, you know, you know the types and

[00:28:45] He said some and he said some really cringy. He was like he called a Biden Joby one Kenobi

[00:28:51] But I think I think more of the the cringy thing is that like he's he's a Zionist

[00:28:58] And you know not to get too deep into that, but you know, it's harder and harder to be pro Israel these days, you know

[00:29:07] Just yeah

[00:29:09] Yeah, I'm gonna respectfully not touch that

[00:29:12] That's fine. That's fine

[00:29:15] But uh, yeah, Wing Commander 3 though

[00:29:18] Yeah boy, I

[00:29:22] Didn't get very far in this one

[00:29:25] There was one mission I just couldn't beat

[00:29:28] Okay, I couldn't do it and it was on the first fucking disc too

[00:29:32] And I couldn't be that that's fair because there there's some things about the 3d o version that make it probably not the

[00:29:39] definitive way to play this game

[00:29:41] Yeah, I actually watched

[00:29:44] Some footage of like the PC version and

[00:29:47] It looked much more appealing to me

[00:29:50] Yeah, so I played the the PlayStation version because I don't currently own the 3d o port

[00:29:56] For the audience at home. Here's the 3d o version like like I love the art for it

[00:30:01] You know, just looks like a like a juice-jews on type like movie poster, you know

[00:30:06] What's weird is the usrb logo is a sticker?

[00:30:09] Yeah, that's yeah, and then like some nice stills on the back and you open the thing and you get

[00:30:17] Shit shit's flying everywhere. This is unboxing kids

[00:30:20] You get discs one and two and discs three and four

[00:30:27] You get like this whole your personalized guide to the TCS victory victory streak, which is a thick-ass booklet

[00:30:35] You get like you get like a big poster or like a poster with more information on it

[00:30:40] I have the a little like mailer that you mail in to get like a free wing commander shirt

[00:30:45] I should totally file it

[00:30:47] And the most important thing is the the reference card because what's cool is it supports the 3d o joystick?

[00:30:52] That's just cool. It's got to be annoying in the walking around segments

[00:30:56] But the reference card, which is just basically here's all the the controls you're gonna need

[00:31:01] Which so definitely helped you had asked me if the PlayStation version also included that and I'm happy to say yes

[00:31:08] it did yeah because

[00:31:11] this game reeks of

[00:31:13] PC game ported a console

[00:31:16] Even the 90s was more painful

[00:31:20] Even the PC version had the reference card because this game I

[00:31:24] Have a lot of positive things to say about that we'll get into but this game is like the definition of a guide game in a lot of ways

[00:31:31] Yeah. Yeah much much like

[00:31:33] Some of the games we've played on the show. I have a lot of respect for this game

[00:31:39] You know it much like alone in the dark and flashback, you know, I I respect this game a lot

[00:31:47] I would say this is easily the best of those three

[00:31:50] Yeah, this game has it's aged but it hasn't aged the worst

[00:31:54] It's production value is very high

[00:31:58] And you can tell origin systems are competent developers and they're making a very very good product

[00:32:06] but I

[00:32:08] Can't say the 3d version is the way to go

[00:32:10] I would have to play I feel like this is a game if you want to play it if it's on Gog

[00:32:15] Just get it on there steam or wherever

[00:32:17] So before we start I actually have a list of things that were changed for the 3d version

[00:32:24] If you'd like me to bear some of those

[00:32:26] Yeah, yeah from the wixia page, right? Yep

[00:32:30] So the biggest thing that that's probably the biggest kind of reason why I'd say not to play this for the 3d version

[00:32:38] difficulty select was removed with 3d o and basically you're stuck in what what is considered the veteran or I

[00:32:45] Want to say I guess like a

[00:32:48] Normal mode or maybe hard mode. I'm not really sure on that

[00:32:51] veteran sounds like hard

[00:32:54] Yeah, so you're kind of stuck to one thing

[00:32:58] They completely cut out all the stages on planetary surfaces and just replaced them with full motion video

[00:33:05] I don't mind that so much because the full motion video is very well done

[00:33:11] True. I think that full motion video is in the PlayStation version as well, but you just get more gameplay

[00:33:17] yeah

[00:33:18] Manual takeoffs were removed and replaced with the FMVs. That's actually a plus because I don't you didn't have you didn't experience murdering your teammate

[00:33:28] Yeah, and you'll take off

[00:33:30] I will I will say the struggle I had was when I had to land the plane after the first mission

[00:33:35] I was like what the fuck do I do? I

[00:33:38] Had no idea like I was like, oh, do I fly up to the the ship now?

[00:33:42] I would just get hit like I was trying everything I could think of and then

[00:33:47] I was like hold on let me get that reference card and then I did and it was like

[00:33:51] Oh, you have to communicate with the ship by holding like R and B and then going and they have my what the fuck

[00:33:58] What I have to talk to the ship like sure I guess but you know, this is definitely an era where

[00:34:06] Like light sim games, I guess

[00:34:10] We're still very much in their infancy. Like this is a pre rogue squadron

[00:34:15] pre ace combat even

[00:34:19] type of world where I think the only reference point I could think of for this would be like the like rebel assault

[00:34:26] Like the X-wing tie fighter games, which are pretty good

[00:34:31] You know that kind of stuff a wing commander is definitely a game that like old heads have a lot of respect for oh, yeah

[00:34:36] Because it definitely it definitely pushed

[00:34:39] Like flying games. It's just kind of gaming in general forward, you know, you know

[00:34:44] Before we move on I will say like the rest of the differences are mostly just either cosmetic or

[00:34:50] There's say a new enemy here, or there's like a cutscene missing. It's nothing major

[00:34:55] They did fix a bug that's infamous in the PC version

[00:34:58] So there is that that bug is also fixed in the PlayStation version

[00:35:02] the PlayStation version is basically identical to the PC with the exception of the bug fix and

[00:35:09] The load times are kind of horrendous on the PlayStation version

[00:35:14] Yeah load times here were no problem

[00:35:16] They're bad on PlayStation like really bad. Oh boy

[00:35:20] How are the the FMVs?

[00:35:22] So I did side by sides the resolutions a little better, but for the most part the quality is like

[00:35:29] Almost identical. Yeah, I mean they are compressed, but they're not horribly compressed like some tend to be

[00:35:37] yeah

[00:35:38] and I think it helps that like

[00:35:41] the acting is really good and

[00:35:44] Like like the cinematography is good like the shots are well well done. Yeah, the dialogue flows really smoothly

[00:35:50] It has that occasional like video game kind of

[00:35:54] You know like like weird cut here and there

[00:35:57] Um, but it but it's handled a lot better. You can tell the actors that they got

[00:36:01] I mean, they're all like solid actors, you know like mark. There's mark

[00:36:04] Mark Hamill's a great actor Malcolm McDowell is a great actor John Rusd Davies

[00:36:08] Tom Wilson they got Biff they got fucking Biff in this and he's he's a century playing space Biff and he's great

[00:36:15] I love him. Yeah, he's I I love seeing Tom Wilson everything

[00:36:19] He does a lot of stand-up comedy now and he has like a song called

[00:36:23] I think it's like the answers or the questions or whatever

[00:36:26] And it's just basically him doing like a little guitar like q&a or like faq basically

[00:36:32] um, which is funny so

[00:36:35] Check that out if you guys haven't seen it Tom Wilson. He's he's he's a great comedian

[00:36:39] John raise Davies played a character named Thracketh

[00:36:43] Yes, yes, so

[00:36:45] Where that can I didn't I did it wasn't it wasn't wing commander, but you know

[00:36:51] Yeah

[00:36:52] Yeah, and like it has like a wookie kind of character

[00:36:54] I forget the name of that that race because it feels very star trek

[00:36:58] Having like say like this race feels like the Klingons or like the Romulans or whatever

[00:37:04] But like one of them is on your side like this like this guy is warf basically

[00:37:08] The kill that the kill Matthew

[00:37:11] Yeah, well Klingons probably not accurate because by the time warf showed up in tng

[00:37:16] the the trade federation and

[00:37:19] The Klingons had a kind of a rough treaty alliance

[00:37:22] Which I think was like because like Star Trek 6

[00:37:26] The the movie undiscovered country was like the last major

[00:37:30] Fight with the Klingons and then between that and tng is when they kind of

[00:37:34] Figured out the treaty basically and then like warf

[00:37:38] I believe he was he was born to Klingon parents, but I think he ended up at the academy

[00:37:45] I think um

[00:37:46] And so he's considered kind of a weaker Klingon because he didn't grow up in the customs

[00:37:50] But like he desperately wants to be part of the Klingons like he knows all the rituals and everything

[00:37:54] Like there's a great early episode where some Klingons come on board

[00:37:59] um

[00:38:00] the the enterprise

[00:38:02] And and and he's trying so hard

[00:38:05] To like be a part of them, but they just view him as like an outsider

[00:38:10] You know like I can't remember the name of the episode, but I really enjoyed that stuff like warf

[00:38:15] Whenever warf is talking like hanging with other Klingons. It's usually really interesting

[00:38:19] So this might be closer to like say like the romulans

[00:38:22] Or even um the furangi, you know that kind of thing, but there is like a star trek reference. There's a big star trek influence in here

[00:38:30] Um, they has some star wars in this as well

[00:38:32] Not just mark hamill being there, but like all like the hanger scenes when he's like climbing up into the uh the plane

[00:38:39] It's like, oh, yeah, this is just like

[00:38:40] You know episode four when he goes out to the death star

[00:38:44] Speaking of uh cinematography feels very star wars speaking of star trek

[00:38:49] Malcolm McDowell was in star trek generations. So there's another um

[00:38:53] Oh, yeah, you're right. Fuck another connection there god damn it. That's oh and uh

[00:38:59] John John Reyes Davies was a divinci in star trek voyager. I just remembered that as well

[00:39:03] Oh, I forgot. Yeah, I haven't seen voyager in a while. He was jane way's like call a deck buddy

[00:39:13] So that's it

[00:39:15] Voyager is such a I could go on a tangent about voyager, but like it's

[00:39:19] It's a good show, but it could have been the best one

[00:39:24] Yeah, and they kind of fucked it up, but that's a story for another day

[00:39:30] That'll be when we get mad on and we just talk star trek for an entire episode. There we go. I'll be down with that

[00:39:36] um

[00:39:38] So it's funny like

[00:39:40] Mark hamill being in this was kind of interesting to me because this was like right around like the end of him as like a

[00:39:45] screen actor

[00:39:47] Before he kind of went full on like voice actor or like didn't he always want to be a voice actor? Like that was more his

[00:39:55] Desire at least that's what he has said

[00:39:58] That he always kind of wanted to do like animation and work in that area because he found that stuff more

[00:40:05] Inspiring than just actual like acting

[00:40:08] But he went into acting because it was easier to get gigs

[00:40:11] Then at the time yeah, because in the 70s. Yeah like being a voice actor was not prolific at all

[00:40:18] um

[00:40:19] It didn't have any prestige to it. Not I don't think he cared about that but

[00:40:24] um

[00:40:25] Well, I mean because as an actor he's he's okay, but I've never thought he was like the greatest like screen actor by any means

[00:40:32] I I think he's fine. Like he's not bad. He's just kind of like he's very

[00:40:37] Serviceable I guess is like the best way to say it, but he's not like

[00:40:41] He works his luke. He works

[00:40:43] fantastically as luke because he sort of has that kind of

[00:40:47] Boyish thing when he was luke where it's like yeah, it's not the best

[00:40:51] But he's like kind of figuring it out it fits for some reason I think like him is luke

[00:40:57] But outside of that. Yeah

[00:41:00] Like years later down the line

[00:41:01] Then he becomes the fucking joker and he literally he is like the definitive voice of that character

[00:41:07] Yeah, yeah, and he still does voice acting rules

[00:41:10] to this day like it like what when you become a voice actor

[00:41:16] You just end up doing so much stuff like it's ridiculous like he's done like a bunch of video game roles

[00:41:23] Like he's been in the Gabriel Knight series. He's he was in full throttle

[00:41:28] He's fucking Goro Majima the first Yakuza game like the ps2 original so memorable that he doesn't even fucking remember doing it

[00:41:36] Yeah, which is great. Um, he's he's in he's in fucking kingdom hearts games

[00:41:40] Oh, yeah, legend the spyro darksiders

[00:41:43] like

[00:41:45] You'll hear his voice pop up a lot

[00:41:48] Oh exactly. Um, oh shit. He was the narrator in big red one

[00:41:53] Yeah, he was that's crazy

[00:41:55] That what's so funny is people have asked him about like the video game stuff

[00:41:58] And I don't think he remembers any of the video game stuff because I think he just kind of lumps it all together

[00:42:04] Um, I mean, I'd be curious to ask him about the wing commander stuff because it's probably more

[00:42:10] He probably remembers it more because there was a lot of on-screen acting, you know

[00:42:14] So I don't know but I mean his performance in wing commander is pretty good. Like oh, I like him

[00:42:20] I like he feels like an older luke skywalker, doesn't he?

[00:42:25] Like an older luke skywalker before like the grizzled like bum skywalker

[00:42:30] We got in fucking the disney star wars movies if luke skywalker was just a pilot and never was a jedi

[00:42:37] He would be kernel christopher blare

[00:42:41] Yeah

[00:42:43] Um, so I guess before we get deeper into the game. We should talk about origin systems a little bit

[00:42:49] They are a speaking of dead companies

[00:42:52] Yeah, one of the many victims of ea

[00:42:57] Uh origin systems is

[00:43:00] They're a fascinating

[00:43:02] uh developer like they're most famous for the ultima series

[00:43:07] of

[00:43:07] Western rpgs that are like too much rpg

[00:43:11] Oh, yeah, richard gary at lord british

[00:43:14] Mm-hmm. What's he doing these days?

[00:43:18] He's probably not doing it. He's probably not doing a

[00:43:21] Apparently he does he stuff he's a entrepreneur and private astronauts. Are you fucking kidding me? Good for him

[00:43:30] Oh god

[00:43:32] Um

[00:43:33] He has flown to the international space station

[00:43:37] So before like bezos and elan was doing all this shit lord british was doing this off of off of selling fucking ultima

[00:43:45] Yep, which is just boggles my mind

[00:43:49] Like what the hell did the other series that they were most known for was wing commander and

[00:43:56] The man behind wing commander is kind of an infamous guy these days not for anything super bad just because of uh

[00:44:03] His inability to finish a game

[00:44:06] Um, chris robert's they published the original system shock. They did

[00:44:11] Huh

[00:44:12] Well, I'll be damned we can make a connection from wing commander to bio shock

[00:44:18] That we can hell yeah, so chris roberts

[00:44:23] chris roberts is essentially the hideo kajima of um wing commander

[00:44:31] You didn't have to say kajima is just like he's the the main guy

[00:44:35] Well, I say that because like it's to the point where he has his

[00:44:39] He's got his name on the fucking case like a chris chris roberts game kind of thing

[00:44:44] Oh, he does. I never saw that

[00:44:49] Yeah, there it is here. I'll pull up

[00:44:52] Down there. Yes, that's cute

[00:44:55] Again, I think it adds to the cinematic nature

[00:44:58] Of it. Do you think kajima saw that and went I could do that

[00:45:02] Does this game predate metal gear? I think they came out. Yeah, it does by a little bit

[00:45:06] This came out late 94 metal gear solid was 90. Oh it was 98

[00:45:11] Okay, yeah metal gear solid metal gear been out already. Well, yeah

[00:45:15] Those are different those don't count. No, they do but they're different

[00:45:18] I say hit kajima because chris roberts was very much into the cinematic aspect of gaming like

[00:45:24] He wanted to take like those fmv games

[00:45:28] And actually make a legitimate game around them that actually flowed properly

[00:45:32] Which he really did because wing commander

[00:45:35] To me is like the the real beginning of like I did mixing the cinematic with gameplay almost seamlessly

[00:45:43] It's definitely one of those games when people talk about like good fmv games in terms of like really good acting and production value

[00:45:50] This one always gets brought up

[00:45:52] As they're like, you know, holy shit

[00:45:53] They got all these like big name actors and like the acting isn't like corny dumb or just like over the top silly

[00:46:00] And the game itself is pretty alright

[00:46:03] Like you can um

[00:46:04] You can actually take all the cutscenes and watch them in like a movie form on like youtube

[00:46:09] And it's actually makes sense and it's actually pretty entertaining

[00:46:12] Yeah, it's not like you don't watch it because it's bad. You watch it because it's actually pretty good

[00:46:16] Yeah, and it's like 90 sci-fi. So you know what you're getting yourself into

[00:46:20] You know, you know what game this series kind of remind well this game in particular kind of reminded me of

[00:46:26] Yeah, the the movie is oh, it's two it just under two and a half hours

[00:46:32] I may end up watching it just out of curiosity

[00:46:34] That's why this is a four disker because it's mostly fmv

[00:46:38] Yeah, that's what's taking up that disc space. I guarantee you the game itself could probably fill one of those discs. No problem

[00:46:45] Yes

[00:46:46] um

[00:46:48] Yeah, it's funny when when I was playing this because I haven't played this game

[00:46:52] In like a decade because I played it back when it came out and then that was it

[00:46:57] Um, I forgot how much this game reminded me of mass effect

[00:47:02] I could see that

[00:47:03] Because like there's the the segments where you're just walking around the ship and just chatting with your crew members

[00:47:09] That's the best part of the game. Oh, yeah, it's I love all that stuff. Yeah, like I can't remember her name

[00:47:14] Off top of my head. So there was the two feet the two female

[00:47:18] The love interests because you can do that in this game as well

[00:47:21] um

[00:47:23] I killed mine by accident

[00:47:26] And then and then the ea connection as well

[00:47:29] So there was uh rachel chlor

[00:47:32] Olys and robin flint peters

[00:47:37] The one I'm thinking of I can't remember and just I remember going into the locker room

[00:47:42] And you just see her like sitting there like like her legs like man spread or whatever and she's just sharpening a knife

[00:47:50] Like very menacingly and just looking up at you all she's sharpened. She's like that damn fucking wookie

[00:47:56] I hate wookies, you know

[00:47:59] She's ashley she's the space racist of this game

[00:48:04] Um

[00:48:05] And you can I killed ashley and felt nothing

[00:48:09] I actually know that's no actually I killed kaden

[00:48:13] Because I thought that's actually not yeah, I killed kaden

[00:48:16] Because I thought kaden was boring and I thought well ashley is a more interesting character

[00:48:21] So i'm curious to see her character development. She has some

[00:48:24] But you know you had to wait till the third game, but yeah, she has some

[00:48:28] Yeah, basically she basically doesn't exist in two

[00:48:30] So well she shows up for a cut scene where she yells at you for betraying her and then

[00:48:34] Then goes away for the rest of the game

[00:48:37] And I was like man, I was gonna bone you but now that you're being an asshole. I'm gonna go bone. Uh, what was her name? Miranda?

[00:48:44] I didn't like Miranda, but that's for another story

[00:48:47] I kind of like Miranda

[00:48:50] And I hate that I do because don't they say like she's genetically engineered for the male gaze basically

[00:48:57] And I'm like

[00:48:58] Damn it. I fell for it and then they gave then they gave ashley a fan service upgrade in this in the third game because of

[00:49:04] That was bad and she spends most of that game in a fucking hospital bed. Yeah

[00:49:09] God damn it

[00:49:13] Can we just talk about master fact fuck this game?

[00:49:16] We'll do that in the future. Um

[00:49:24] Too many games. Uh, yeah

[00:49:27] Love it

[00:49:28] And then and I still need to play it. I have it

[00:49:32] I'll do master fact andromeda. I'll play it one of these days. I need I need to know

[00:49:38] I need to know

[00:49:40] So going back to wing commander though the um

[00:49:43] I love the walking around the ship segments though like just chatting them up like

[00:49:48] Did you accidentally make enemies all the time? No

[00:49:52] And uh, what the fuck was her name? She was the girl

[00:49:55] Who was like she had like the default loadouts or whatever

[00:49:58] Was it ashley?

[00:50:00] Was that her name?

[00:50:02] So there was rachel and there was robin. They were the two girls

[00:50:05] It might have been rachel because she was the girl who was like, you know

[00:50:08] Hey

[00:50:09] Like if you want to change your like your loadout before the mission like come on this computer or whatever we'll chat

[00:50:14] And every time i'm like she wants to fuck you like

[00:50:17] It's obvious like she's giving you the fucking bedroom eyes the whole

[00:50:22] nine and I was like

[00:50:24] Shit and I didn't get far enough

[00:50:26] I assume something happens. I I doubt this game

[00:50:30] I doubt the game goes as far as say mass effect does no, no, you know

[00:50:33] What still isn't that far but you don't see anything fun, but um

[00:50:37] you

[00:50:41] I don't know if I'd want to see like mark hamill take his shirt off

[00:50:46] and like

[00:50:48] Try to like, you know, this isn't like empire strikes back where he's like kind of ripped like this is

[00:50:53] You know, you can tell he has like a bit of a gut and all that and that's fine

[00:50:56] There's nothing wrong there's nothing wrong with that but like, you know, that's for his wife to see that's not for me

[00:51:01] Yeah

[00:51:03] No, there's nothing too

[00:51:05] Too insane, but uh, you can date them and uh, you can also accidentally get them killed like I did in the final mission

[00:51:11] Yeah, I well

[00:51:12] I remember I looked up a walkthrough of this and there was a bunch of like mission trees

[00:51:17] And they all were basically like oh if you let your

[00:51:20] Wingman or wing person die

[00:51:22] At like this mission like everything like alters the course or what you can kill your wingman on takeoff like I did multiple times

[00:51:29] Yeah, why would you do such a thing because that the audit because the takeoff like manual takeoff is fucking stupid

[00:51:36] Always do automatic never do it yourself

[00:51:40] Because it's gonna end badly

[00:51:42] That's amazing

[00:51:44] You know anyways anyways chris roberts. What were you saying about? Oh, yeah

[00:51:47] we got

[00:51:49] chris roberts is

[00:51:51] He is one of those types that is very much like

[00:51:54] He goes like super hard into everything he does like he's a perfectionist

[00:52:00] In a lot of ways. Yeah

[00:52:02] And I totally get that when I looked up his most recent project. Yeah, you know star citizen

[00:52:08] It's still in development. It's it's never coming out as far as i'm concerned, but uh, you can play it

[00:52:13] so

[00:52:14] There's a lot of he just went hard into the sci-fi stuff like every other game. He's done like

[00:52:20] Star lancer frontier wars freelancer. I'm like this all just looks like he still wants to do wing commander

[00:52:25] But he like lost the rights to it or something

[00:52:28] Um, and he has another fucking game development called squadron 42, which I guess is connected to star citizen

[00:52:34] Oh, it's the single player version

[00:52:36] Yep

[00:52:37] And and and and he's getting oh the cast includes gary omen mark amal jillian anderson mark strongly like

[00:52:43] Holy shit got all these big name actors

[00:52:47] They probably recorded their parts years ago and they're gonna look so much younger than they are now in this game

[00:52:52] Yeah, wasn't it? Yeah, wasn't it like

[00:52:55] This like raised like a shit ton of money and crowdfunding

[00:52:59] and then

[00:53:01] And and yeah, it still hasn't is it available in any sort of playable state

[00:53:06] You can play the beta and apparently it's really fun

[00:53:09] But it's just fucking never coming out at this point. Yeah, I was announced in 2012

[00:53:16] Had a Kickstarter pre-production began in 2010 with production started in 2011

[00:53:22] It's garnered criticism for its long production process a lack of a cure release date

[00:53:27] The challenger's backers have faced and getting a refund after abandoning the project

[00:53:30] Launch of the game was initially anticipated in 2014

[00:53:34] So like yeah

[00:53:37] It should it

[00:53:39] I think this happened this happened with dude dookum forever

[00:53:41] This is probably happening with beyond good and evil too as well

[00:53:44] And that's like the main person at the helm just wants this to be like the biggest best thing ever

[00:53:50] And are like trying to stay up to date with everything

[00:53:53] And this is a case of the guy just seems way too ambitious

[00:53:58] And that's like dude calm the fuck down

[00:54:01] You know, yeah

[00:54:02] It's because even if this game comes out now and it's perfectly fine. It's gonna get dog shit on

[00:54:08] Oh, yeah

[00:54:09] It's kind of like the whole idea is like it's a massive space universe and we've we've in that time had

[00:54:15] No man sky which admittedly had a rough start but is a very good game these days

[00:54:19] Yeah starfield which isn't everyone's cup of tea, but is a pretty decent game from what I've heard

[00:54:25] Starfields fine

[00:54:27] Mass effect

[00:54:29] Mass effect I think released throughout this entire games development. No mass effect was well mass effect one was in I think

[00:54:35] 07

[00:54:36] Right, right and then mass effect two was 2010

[00:54:40] And then three was 2013

[00:54:42] So and drama was 2017 so most of it was done in that time. Yeah

[00:54:47] Yeah mass effect, which is

[00:54:49] Which you can get the whole thing now in one nice little compact collection and it's amazing

[00:54:55] You know like just play this star citizen people just play this

[00:54:59] So I'm sure some of them did but fuck. I want to play mass effect again

[00:55:03] um

[00:55:04] But the most baffling thing about star citizen is the fact that it crowdfunded over

[00:55:09] 676 million dollars

[00:55:11] Which is insane like that's like most big budget triple-a games don't even get like half that

[00:55:18] And it's

[00:55:20] It's like not apparently he's developing it in like portions too, which is bizarre

[00:55:25] Yeah, it's like all and he has like contract developers helping him out as well

[00:55:29] Apparently like there's like private funding as well within the game or something where it's like

[00:55:34] He's had people like help bankroll the development of like the whole thing just seems yeah really fucked up

[00:55:41] For uh for reference his last original game before star citizen was

[00:55:46] Freelancer and that came out in 2003

[00:55:49] Yeah, like I don't know what I just don't know like I don't think he's

[00:55:55] I don't think he's fleecing everybody, but I could see why people would think that

[00:56:00] I think he's just he's he's a george bersarred only less insane

[00:56:04] Who is basically he's such a perfectionist that he just can't stop

[00:56:09] Yeah, and there's been like

[00:56:11] Eagle issues as well like a bunch of people try to get their money back and

[00:56:16] And like there's been like court cases about it and cry tech sued them

[00:56:21] over what using the cry engine or something

[00:56:24] Um, yeah, fuck and then wow

[00:56:30] Yeah, it's a it's a crazy thing. That's what chris roberts is known for these days

[00:56:33] But back in the day he was the wing commander guy

[00:56:37] Yeah, like again this feels like something that could only happen in like the us

[00:56:41] Whereas I feel like a european developer couldn't get away with this bullshit. No

[00:56:46] No, not at all

[00:56:47] Yeah, because I imagine if he just streamlined it and just released the game as like a wing commander type game

[00:56:53] It'd be fine

[00:56:55] But with all the money he got like he can't do that

[00:57:00] Yeah, can't do that. It's just it's not a good look

[00:57:05] Yeah, so

[00:57:07] Going that website the website just crashed on me. I tried to get it to load

[00:57:11] I'm not even kidding and I was just looking at it and it just crashed on me

[00:57:15] Okay, now it's working and yeah these cutscenes look really like the footage I'm seeing looks really nice, but

[00:57:21] There's no reason to be hyped

[00:57:23] Like zero reason

[00:57:26] All the people I know that were interested in the game back in the day. They don't give a shit anymore. They've moved on to other things

[00:57:32] Yeah, honestly, you could just say this this is footage for like the next mass effect in development

[00:57:37] And I'd be like, yep, that's what it looks like. It looks like mass effect

[00:57:42] Yeah, and it's just just fucking play massive

[00:57:44] Yeah, I still think mass effect kind of broke the uh the sci-fi meta for me because it there just hasn't been a game since that

[00:57:52] has really topped it

[00:57:54] Yeah

[00:57:55] For real like mass effect was such an amazing trilogy of games

[00:57:59] um

[00:58:00] Like weirdly replayable despite being so story driven

[00:58:04] Um having just enough rpg mechanics to not be tiring

[00:58:08] Um

[00:58:09] They had it in the right places with the dialogue trees and all the relationships you can develop with people

[00:58:14] And the gameplay is super solid and it's just so much fun

[00:58:17] Like the time I spent mass effect was so much fun

[00:58:21] I still think about it

[00:58:23] Mass Effect is is an amazing game and that's why like your little trilogy is oh, yeah. Oh, yeah

[00:58:29] But that's why I say like when I was playing this the whole time

[00:58:32] I was like this reminds me so much of mass effect like the ship segments alone

[00:58:36] Just going from character to character because it has kind of the same um

[00:58:42] The same kind of like gameplay loop where you go around the ship talk to everybody do your uh get your like relationships up

[00:58:49] Then you go into a mission. Yeah, it's like animal crossing you do your dailies

[00:58:53] Yep, do you check in with everybody to be sure everybody's okay?

[00:58:57] And then you're like all right on to the next mission

[00:58:59] But but mass effect never had ship combat

[00:59:03] No, it really which is interesting to me in a lot of ways that they never did that

[00:59:07] I think it's fine because I mean it would have been cool to control

[00:59:12] um, well fuck was the name of the ship

[00:59:16] The normandy the normandy it would have been cool to do that but

[00:59:20] You know, it's okay. If it was the one thing we didn't get to be sure that the series was good

[00:59:25] I am fine

[00:59:26] Because they had that one in mass effect one that like the make-up the make-up which I thought the make-up was fine

[00:59:32] But to be fair, I was to be fair. I played on the legendary edition which was the remake

[00:59:38] Yeah, that's one and it's much easier to control so

[00:59:43] I think the problem with the maker was those planets were so fucking lifeless, but um, yeah, it was not worth I explored

[00:59:50] I think like five of them now. I did it's not fucking worth doing

[00:59:54] I did every fucking one because I'm a fucking masochist

[00:59:57] Yeah, that's that's ridiculous man

[01:00:00] Um anyways, there's not much to say about wink mirror and that's really nice

[01:00:04] Yeah, you know the gameplay the the the the flight combat

[01:00:08] Is pretty good. Like it's not it's fine

[01:00:11] It's just so repetitive. That's the biggest problem with this game

[01:00:16] Yeah, like I wanted to play a little bit of ace combat seven to try to compare it

[01:00:19] Which I think is unfair

[01:00:21] But like hell even comparing it to say the rogue squadron games which come out

[01:00:25] Like shortly after this like those games are so much better

[01:00:28] Oh, yeah, um

[01:00:30] Like crimson skies, which is a great game

[01:00:33] Ace combat two like if we're gonna be at least more relevant like ace cop even ace cop at two is a much better game

[01:00:38] Yeah, and and I know like the x-wing tie fighter games

[01:00:42] There's a lot of flying in there, but those games are much more than that

[01:00:46] Um, there's rebel assaults, of course

[01:00:49] You know, like they've always been flying it's like afterburner like there there's always been flying games

[01:00:55] And this game's flying is serviceable

[01:00:58] It does it does the job, but it's not why you come for this

[01:01:02] This is to get like to get your sci-fi on get your nerd on, you know and enjoy some like

[01:01:08] Some wacky costumes and some like techno babble and you know kind of exploring this weird futuristic thing

[01:01:13] But then you run into guys with mullets playing guitars in the uh in the mess hall and it's like I like that guy

[01:01:19] That's a cool guy. It's gonna be sad when he dies

[01:01:23] My favorite is still the scene with uh with biff and the uh the mess hall where he's like he's like

[01:01:28] Everybody knows the maniac

[01:01:30] And then he's like who here knows the maniac it's like

[01:01:34] seriously nobody

[01:01:36] I love that scene

[01:01:38] And there's like kind of dialogue choices

[01:01:40] Or when you talk to people occasionally you'll get like a oh do you want this response or that response?

[01:01:45] I don't know how much it actually changes anything probably not

[01:01:48] um

[01:01:49] Yeah, it's it's definitely an ambitious game for its time and I think

[01:01:53] Where it does well it does really well

[01:01:56] Which is the walking around the ship and talking to people and sort of like

[01:02:00] Kind of engaging in the wing commander lore if you will like I think it does that part really really well

[01:02:06] And I wouldn't be surprised if bio where took a little bit of influence

[01:02:10] From that when they eventually did mass effect

[01:02:13] Um, it wouldn't surprise me at all

[01:02:15] Yeah, yeah, but the gameplay part the flying on the ship stuff is okay

[01:02:20] You know it is what it it doesn't feel like you're moving

[01:02:23] I don't get this I don't get the sensation that i'm actually like flying in space shooting stuff

[01:02:28] It literally feels like I'm just I'm staring at a screen that moves around so I can shoot people like you don't get that sense

[01:02:35] That like immersive sense especially because it's first person

[01:02:38] I don't get that feeling that i'm actually in the air in the in space

[01:02:42] Flying around doing shit. You know what I mean because like the background is very still

[01:02:47] like

[01:02:48] There there's just no sense of like real movements

[01:02:51] You know what I mean like you can maneuver, but it just doesn't feel it it feels like i'm playing

[01:02:56] Flight simulator, but like an older version of it

[01:02:59] With like a with like a like cockpit controls, you know

[01:03:02] Yeah, it was definitely the first so this game was the first wing commander game that used like 3d polygon graphics

[01:03:09] It shows yeah, it like it's fine

[01:03:12] Like it looks like a game of the era and like I think it looks perfectly serviceable for what it is

[01:03:17] It's all right

[01:03:18] It honestly kind of matches with the uh the cinematics for the time because the cinematics are kind of old

[01:03:24] too when it yeah, yeah, it looks like like I made for tv like sci-fi movie or like a um

[01:03:30] You know, I'll say it looks a little like ds9

[01:03:34] Yeah, like like like the costume design and the sets

[01:03:38] The ships are very blocky because the they could only do so much with the polygons

[01:03:42] So they had to design the ships around that count the polygons kids

[01:03:46] I do like the ship designs though. They even though they they're blocky. They're kind of fun

[01:03:52] Yeah, oh yeah, and then they like they further develop them later on because they're of course their sequels and

[01:03:57] you know, I mean heck the the

[01:03:59] I think there is a ship design on one of these things. Yeah, like this guy can't really see it, but it looks neat

[01:04:05] It's very it's very star trek influence, but you know, it's more angular

[01:04:09] It reminds me of starship troopers for some reason. I don't know why yeah, I can see that

[01:04:15] I mean, it wasn't far away. Yeah, it was right around the same time. Oh, yeah

[01:04:19] um

[01:04:21] bit of a spoiler for anyone who hasn't played it so just uh

[01:04:25] Not that it really matters that much but um cover your ears

[01:04:29] One of my favorite moments in this game is there's a seat there one of the

[01:04:33] Eventually the plot progresses where like they the uh the the good side, I guess

[01:04:39] um in this plot they develop a planet killer

[01:04:42] essentially

[01:04:43] And there's an entire mission

[01:04:45] Basically based around you have to you have to protect the planet killer

[01:04:49] And just the irony of luke skywalker having to protect a planet killing machine device is just really funny to me

[01:04:55] It's it's like it's the size of a

[01:04:58] of a of a

[01:05:01] Heat object in the sky

[01:05:03] That creates a lot of murder a

[01:05:07] What would you call that?

[01:05:09] Like a like a murder

[01:05:11] asteroid no

[01:05:13] A that's no moon

[01:05:15] a

[01:05:17] Kill right no that sounds stupid a

[01:05:20] A death star no that sounds stupid. I don't I do something like that

[01:05:25] So

[01:05:27] We'll workshop it later. Yeah

[01:05:29] Now just this the irony of that I thought was really fun

[01:05:31] I'm like they had to have done that on purpose

[01:05:33] That is funny and it's also funny that I just thought about like john riss davies has done other video game stuff

[01:05:39] Like I know him from another fmv game called ripper

[01:05:44] Which do you know ripper?

[01:05:45] I remember it. I haven't played it, but I know okay for our audience that doesn't know a ripper was a pc game made by

[01:05:53] I believe was take two

[01:05:54] And is like this weird

[01:05:57] futuristic kind of detective game where there's like a new jack the ripper and he's doing it through the internet

[01:06:04] Um, but it's known for having like christopher walken

[01:06:08] John riss davies paul giamani

[01:06:10] Uh david patrick kelly burgess meredith jimmy walker

[01:06:14] Like tony welch like like like a like a star studded cast

[01:06:20] And like the theme of the game is don't fear the reaper by blue oyster coal like they have the song

[01:06:26] more and

[01:06:27] for real and

[01:06:29] It's a very weird game like its puzzles are very obtuse very like kind of moonlogic in certain spots

[01:06:35] Um, and it's just a weird wacky game that I don't know if it has any official release anymore

[01:06:41] But it's worth looking into I learned about it through uh the spoony one

[01:06:46] Because he used to talk about weird pc games. So of course something like that's going to catch the eye

[01:06:51] Um, it came out 60 roms back in the day

[01:06:55] And it's one of those games that you're constantly swapping discs

[01:06:58] Going through places like there's some games like under a killing moon

[01:07:02] We're really bad at just swapping. Um, this game doesn't do that as far as I know

[01:07:06] It's just like it's it's pretty straightforward

[01:07:08] Yeah, you know when you get to certain points, it's like change the disc like fine, you know, yeah, um

[01:07:16] Kids today don't know about disc swapping. They don't know

[01:07:20] Ironically mass effect had you had to just swap

[01:07:24] Oh really only on 360 uh because of the uh

[01:07:28] Third and parts that the game would be like on disc two and then other parts would be on disc one

[01:07:32] Uh, oh it was mass effect two right?

[01:07:34] Yes, because mass effect one was a single disc or if I remember

[01:07:38] Uh mass effect two was pretty clever about it and that the first the first disc had the beginning and the ending of the game on it

[01:07:45] And the second disc had the middle stuff

[01:07:48] So like you would the first disc is you'd play the beginning part

[01:07:51] Do that opening bit and then you'd go just to do all your shit

[01:07:55] And then come back to disc one and then it would check all the shit that you did and give you the the suicide mission

[01:08:01] You know based on all the stuff you had done which is actually a clever way of doing two discs

[01:08:07] Yeah, just I know a lot of people who play that game would constantly go like to stuff back on disc one

[01:08:12] And they'd have to switch all the time. I'm like you're just playing it wrong

[01:08:15] Yeah, it's so weird the 360 games were on multi discs back then like I mean hell like today

[01:08:21] I bought a couple 360 games and one I bought was a forza motorsport four

[01:08:26] Which three and four do the same thing where

[01:08:29] You can just play the game on disc one no problem

[01:08:31] But they had a second disc for all like extra shit that they couldn't fit on the disc

[01:08:36] So in the menu, just say oh, you know put in disc two and we'll like install the rest of it

[01:08:43] On to your hard drive so you can play the whole game on disc one

[01:08:46] Basically just like the rest of the tracks and cars and all that but you can still play the game

[01:08:49] Just fine on disc one

[01:08:50] It's the reason I actually fixed the disc drive on my 360

[01:08:55] Because it was the 360 s model or it is 360 s model and

[01:08:59] Like it would just kind of go off and on randomly because it's like those weird sensors

[01:09:04] So at first I just disconnected the ribbon cable and was like, that's fine

[01:09:08] But then when I got that I was like

[01:09:11] When I got three I was like maybe I should try to figure out how to fix this

[01:09:14] And all it was was the ribbon cable was a bit dirty. So I cleaned it with some alcohol and it was fine. So

[01:09:20] Yeah

[01:09:22] So there you go. Um, and yeah, like Los odyssey had four discs. I talked about that with rick on pixel project

[01:09:28] um

[01:09:29] Blue dragons three discs final fantasy 13s three discs

[01:09:33] LA noir was three discs. I remember a lot of people were weirded out by that

[01:09:37] Um, it was really just the sign that was like blue rays were the future kind of thing

[01:09:42] Yeah, blue eyes were adopted at that point xbox stuck with dvds, you know

[01:09:46] I mean, it would have been interesting if the 360

[01:09:49] Was it was an hd dvd drive?

[01:09:52] Like baked into it not the separate one

[01:09:55] well, they

[01:09:56] HD dvd was just kind of doomed from the start

[01:09:59] I know but like if they wanted to stick with that format if they had baked it into the 360

[01:10:05] It probably would have lasted longer

[01:10:08] But but I don't think microsoft was willing to do that

[01:10:12] Derek Alexander

[01:10:14] Stopped peloton's and fighting did a pretty interesting video talking about how the uh

[01:10:18] The hd he did a whole thing about the hd dvd drive and like how it kind of was like designed

[01:10:24] It was kind of deliberately like microsoft like

[01:10:27] Basically didn't care about it and like it was it was part of the rise of netflix. It was a

[01:10:33] Really interesting video. I recommend like checking out at some point

[01:10:36] HD dvd was kind of doomed from the start because it felt like blu-ray but didn't blu-ray hit first

[01:10:42] HD dvd first and then blu-ray came out after but blu-ray was just significantly better

[01:10:47] Yeah, because hd dvd was panasonic, right? Yes

[01:10:51] And because they had done the original dvd, I think

[01:10:54] And then sony was like, oh, we have like the blu-ray or something. I forget blu-ray was a partnership between sony and phillips

[01:11:02] okay, how ironic and um

[01:11:05] And then panasonic did the hd dvd and then that whole mess

[01:11:10] You know basically with all media formats porn went to blu-ray and that just automatically made blu-ray win

[01:11:16] Is that what happened? I feel like I feel like the ps3 helped blu-rays as well

[01:11:20] It was partially that but that's just always been like the thing like it's like even though like you go back to like vhs

[01:11:26] But that only that see that the porn argument only makes sense with vhs

[01:11:31] Whereas it felt like by blu-ray standards is like not

[01:11:34] Is it was it really?

[01:11:36] I don't know

[01:11:37] That's kind of that's kind of just how it always goes like because it's funny because beta max was technically superior

[01:11:43] In quality, but vhs could hold more. I think and yeah one went with vhs and that was it

[01:11:49] data can hold I think roughly

[01:11:52] Like an hour and 20 minutes on it whereas a vhs tape could go like over two and a half hours

[01:11:57] so

[01:11:59] Yeah, I believe I've I've watched the beta tape

[01:12:02] It is cleaner than a vhs, but unless you like

[01:12:06] Unless you actually look at it. It's not that big of a deal. It's not that big a difference

[01:12:10] I think it was a similar thing with like uh blu-ray and hdvd blu-rays could hold more so that just kind of automatically defaulted them

[01:12:17] Yeah, yeah, I think so and now we are where we are where

[01:12:22] where I think uh microsoft has to pay sony a

[01:12:26] slight fee for having the blu-ray drive in the series x

[01:12:29] Yeah, it's

[01:12:31] That was exaggerated from what I've heard apparently it's barely a drop in the bucket

[01:12:35] No, but like but sony was smart because I think vhs part of why vhs and dvd succeeded so well was

[01:12:42] Once they were made they became like public domain basically so anybody could make them no problem

[01:12:49] Whereas sony when they did the blu-ray they're like no we're keeping this so that when people make

[01:12:54] A blu-ray they have to pass a little something

[01:12:57] Yeah, I think sony and philips both get a

[01:12:59] Get a cut. Yeah, probably like micro pennies or something. Yeah

[01:13:04] Who's who's how many people are making blu-rays these days?

[01:13:07] Not not as many not as many but there's still

[01:13:11] Physical media still has its fans and yeah, very strong

[01:13:16] But yeah, and blue and blu-ray never took over

[01:13:20] The way dvd took over vhs true. Yeah, because you can still get dvds to this day. Oh, yeah

[01:13:26] Yeah, and all blu-ray players play dvds so

[01:13:29] yep

[01:13:30] um

[01:13:31] So before we get into like reception I have to ask what do you think of the soundtrack?

[01:13:36] There was a soundtrack

[01:13:39] I mean you had like music it was mostly like

[01:13:41] orchestral atmospheric kind of stuff

[01:13:44] I I I never

[01:13:47] Noticed it, you know, okay because it's like it wasn't john williams

[01:13:52] so it wasn't gonna be that or um

[01:13:56] Crap the guy who did the soundtracks for the ost for start trick two and three

[01:14:00] Can't remember his name off the top of my head, but like his soundtracks are really good

[01:14:04] Um, so it's it's not to that quality, but it's fine. Like I didn't notice it so

[01:14:09] So it was uh, I don't know what that says about me

[01:14:12] It was uh, george oldsy

[01:14:15] I think it's what a names. What a fucking name. Um, he

[01:14:20] You know for what it is I found it it was it sounded very sci-fi

[01:14:24] um

[01:14:25] And it fit the fit the game

[01:14:27] Uh, not as memorable as like mass effect that we're gonna keep always going back to mass effect here, but um

[01:14:33] It was fine for what it was

[01:14:36] Like most things most things about this game. It was very much. It was very fine

[01:14:40] like yeah

[01:14:45] James horner that's the guy who did the scores for start track two and three

[01:14:50] And I guess I guess he's he's had issues with quote-unquote borrowing from other people

[01:14:55] But uh, it's music whatever

[01:14:58] So reception wise, uh, this game was critically acclaimed

[01:15:03] um, oh I could see why the lowest score I can see here is

[01:15:08] um

[01:15:10] So there's maxim that gave the playstation version three out of five stars

[01:15:15] Wait that maxim

[01:15:17] The one i'm thinking about

[01:15:19] So

[01:15:20] The wikipedia article doesn't give a link so it makes me think it's not that maxim but

[01:15:25] I mean

[01:15:26] You never know

[01:15:27] Maybe they review video games. I mean, I'm seeing maximum, but I'm not I'm not seeing maxim. Oh

[01:15:34] That that's just me reading wrong. It was maximum

[01:15:38] Dude, that's a furtive and slip right there

[01:15:40] Hey, you never know

[01:15:43] um

[01:15:45] I mean playboy used to review video games. So uh, I want to read those now. They were so bad, but um, yeah

[01:15:52] um

[01:15:53] The other lowest rating was the uh

[01:15:56] EGM gave the 3d version of 7.5, which I mean that's that's fine. That's not a bad review at all

[01:16:06] Yeah, like it's getting like five stars like very high like eight out of tens, you know, and I totally get why

[01:16:12] You know because at the time like this is very next level stuff, you know

[01:16:18] There's a reason generation if you will yeah

[01:16:21] like um

[01:16:23] This is kind of like flashback not not in terms of like how it's aged but in terms of um

[01:16:29] How like people who played it back and they view it like people love this game like the people who like played it back then like

[01:16:36] They all have nothing to positive things to say like and I can see why like there is a lot to like about this game

[01:16:43] It's just when you play it now from a modern standpoint where you've just seen better

[01:16:48] It's it's flaws kind of stick out a bit

[01:16:51] yeah, but

[01:16:54] But I think it's it's a game that's aged better than the previous two games we've talked about

[01:17:00] in this yeah

[01:17:01] You know like like it was still an enjoyable experience from the time that I had with it despite my

[01:17:08] getting stuck on one mission. Um

[01:17:12] There there were still like a lot to like to it and it had a charm to it, you know

[01:17:17] Yeah, honestly, I'm kind of tempted to play wing commander 4 now just because uh

[01:17:22] Kind of in the mood, but uh, that's probably for another time

[01:17:25] I've heard wing commander 4 isn't as good

[01:17:28] I've heard that too, but some people say it's the best one. So I don't know

[01:17:32] Yeah, I guess if you're like a super fan, I don't know it's it's probably not star trek 4 which is the best one. Yes

[01:17:39] The whales yeah, I got the whales

[01:17:42] It's kind of sad though like origin like

[01:17:45] their his their downfall is really kind of sad to me because they

[01:17:48] basically got shut down by microsoft and

[01:17:52] Their trademark would later be not microsoft EA

[01:17:55] Their trademark would later be recycled as EA's

[01:18:00] Steam for a while there. Oh, that's right. But apparently EA recently

[01:18:07] EA recently just got rid of the origin name and now it's just the EA app

[01:18:11] Oh, yeah, yeah, because it's it's tied to like EA plus or something

[01:18:16] Yeah, I think they got rid of the origin name because all the people that were pissed that they were using origin for that

[01:18:21] Yeah, because I think

[01:18:23] Yeah, because wing commander 4 was one of the last games they did then they did that wing commander prophecy

[01:18:28] Which is the fifth game in the series

[01:18:30] That's the gameboy advanced one. Isn't it? It had a pc version in 97 and then got a gba port in like 03

[01:18:36] Which felt just completely fucking random, but whatever. I have that it's very uh, it's something

[01:18:43] It's whatever. Yeah, and then uh ultima online

[01:18:46] Uh started around that time and I think some people still like ultima online for what it is

[01:18:51] It probably has fan servers and then uh ultima nine, which was the game that uh that killed that series

[01:18:57] Yep killed it fucking dead

[01:18:59] Um, there's a really good video. I forget the guy who did it where it's the history of rpg

[01:19:04] Since like the super long video

[01:19:07] And there was a point in like the late 90s where like ultima and wizardry and all that were still going

[01:19:13] But they were just making like these games were taking too long to make and when they came out, they were just not great

[01:19:20] but you had companies like bio where and

[01:19:24] The people who made the original fallout

[01:19:26] And even uh, Bethesda coming through with uh like games like dagger fall and balder's gate and all that

[01:19:33] Kind of signaling the new the next era for rpgs at this time. Yeah

[01:19:39] So and it it's weird. It feels like we're kind of hitting that again almost

[01:19:44] Because rpgs are in a weird spot

[01:19:46] One last thing about wing commander before we uh go to um, okay must play stay away. Uh, do you remember the wing commander film?

[01:19:54] Oh the fredder prince jr. One. Yeah, the one with shaggy and scooby. I mean shaggy and fred

[01:20:01] Which one scooby um

[01:20:03] I know of it. I've never watched it. I've heard it's fucking terrible

[01:20:08] So chris roberts actually directed it which is really funny to me that uh, I mean he has one on kojima. He's actually made a movie

[01:20:16] he has um

[01:20:18] so

[01:20:19] Really funny because my dad loves loves this movie

[01:20:23] And he had no idea it was based off of the video game

[01:20:27] Is it like so bad? It's good

[01:20:29] It's not even that it's bad. It's just so average like it's like

[01:20:34] Because rod tomatoes has this a 10%

[01:20:36] It's not good

[01:20:39] I I don't think it's that bad. I watched and I was just like it's just so

[01:20:44] It's like the most average sci-fi movie. I think I've ever watched like to be honest the most maybe we should watch it

[01:20:52] I have to get a copy of it. I don't actually or see if see if it's on streaming

[01:20:56] um

[01:20:57] Yo ho ho

[01:21:00] It's like for me. It's a movie. It's a movie who fucking cares true

[01:21:04] um

[01:21:05] To be honest the last time I watched it was like

[01:21:08] A decade ago, so it might be worse than I remember. Well, I've never seen it

[01:21:12] So it's not on any streaming. I'm not paying youtube four bucks to watch this

[01:21:17] It's probably like a dollar on ebay. I really want to watch it

[01:21:20] If you if you really want that dvd

[01:21:24] um

[01:21:25] Yeah, here. Uh, let let me let me check something

[01:21:29] do do

[01:21:31] Let's see. I was just seeing if somebody had put it on youtube sneakily and they haven't they have not

[01:21:39] But it's on one of those many sites, you know the ones

[01:21:43] The ones like the the seven C's

[01:21:47] Yeah, if I ever watch a movie that's usually what I do

[01:21:50] I'm like, oh I want to watch this movie and then I'll see if it's on a streaming service that I have and it's usually not so then I

[01:21:57] Go find it other means I watch and go cool and then I move on

[01:22:01] so if you if you really need to see this movie it is uh

[01:22:05] You can get it for four dollars on amazon right now

[01:22:10] Well, maybe we should put it as a poll

[01:22:14] Yeah

[01:22:14] For on twitter if you guys want us to watch the wing commander movie and review it as like a special episode

[01:22:20] yeah

[01:22:22] um

[01:22:23] But yeah, so now must play okay. Stay away

[01:22:27] I'm okay

[01:22:29] I'm gonna say

[01:22:32] Play it on playstation

[01:22:35] Play on pc or well pc if you can find I've heard pc

[01:22:39] The version on there isn't the best because it's they it's not optimized for modern PCs

[01:22:45] Unless they fix that it's on gog

[01:22:48] Because so maybe they finally fix that and currently on gog. It is a buck 49

[01:22:53] Okay, so yeah, there you go dirt cheap

[01:22:57] I'd say okay, and if you're gonna play it

[01:23:00] Play it on either playstation or pc don't play the 3do version

[01:23:04] No, no that was that's probably where I fucked up was playing it on there because

[01:23:10] Because I didn't

[01:23:12] Enjoy it all that much

[01:23:13] But I think it was just because like the gameplay stuff and all that optimized for the 3do was rough

[01:23:20] Because then when I looked at pc stuff i'm like oh this looks so much better

[01:23:24] This looks like the game I would have wanted to play

[01:23:27] You know and I didn't pivot which I've done before but I did I didn't this time

[01:23:33] Yeah, but yeah, yeah, it's a buck 49 on gog at the moment

[01:23:39] Trying to see if there's any like their user reviews are pretty high

[01:23:44] The first one I saw was this game saved my life as a teenager. Holy fuck

[01:23:49] Dude, there's probably some fucking nerd who just didn't have anything better to do

[01:23:53] So it's like the one thing keeping them around

[01:23:57] Yeah, I mean

[01:23:58] It's it's a fine game

[01:24:01] It's just it's very much

[01:24:04] A product of its time. I can see why this game is loved so much

[01:24:09] But unlike flashback

[01:24:11] I actually

[01:24:12] Found the game to be an enjoyable experience for the most part

[01:24:17] It just it just kind of jank nowadays

[01:24:20] That's yeah, but it's but I still think it's cool

[01:24:22] I think it's it's a game that I'm like

[01:24:25] I've always had a soft spot for fmv games and I know the wing commander series has its fans

[01:24:30] And I totally get that and this is just something that just weeks ago. Oh, that's cool. You know, that's neat

[01:24:36] So I can't shit on the game because

[01:24:39] That just I I don't want to because I'm just like I I think this is cool for what it is

[01:24:44] So it's definitely worth checking out

[01:24:47] I think but I would say I would say it's okay

[01:24:50] Um, yeah, if you do want to play play that PlayStation version or just get the pc version on gog and play it that way

[01:24:55] It might be on steam. I don't know but

[01:24:58] Um, to play play a pc version. It's probably the easier way to play it. Yeah

[01:25:04] So

[01:25:06] so

[01:25:08] Not sure what game we're going to cover next

[01:25:10] Uh, we yeah, I meant I meant to ask you

[01:25:13] um

[01:25:15] I was kind of thinking about maybe the horde

[01:25:19] Yeah, okay, let's do the horde

[01:25:21] Okay, uh, it might not be the next episode we do we might do like another like uh side episode before that

[01:25:27] But that is the next game. We're gonna play we're gonna play the horde. Yeah, I know that'll be the next big one

[01:25:32] Maybe we should do like an army man thing

[01:25:35] Maybe yeah, maybe we can start touching on those. Yeah

[01:25:38] because on my little amber nick it has um

[01:25:41] Are there three army man games on gba?

[01:25:45] There's three on gba. There's uh advance

[01:25:49] Operation green and turf war. Yeah

[01:25:53] And I and I keep seeing them going. Should I should I pull the trigger on playing on these fuckers? Should I do it?

[01:25:59] advance is hilariously

[01:26:01] mediocre, that's all I'll say

[01:26:04] I mean, I mean, that's my life man. So I'm fucking here for it

[01:26:09] All right, so yeah, we'll settle on the horde is our next main game and uh, we might have a few

[01:26:14] side game or side content in the process what would play that one

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[01:27:04] I'm gonna be playing cameo elements of power

[01:27:08] Ah changing it up this week

[01:27:10] Well, it's it's the it's the game for this month in the game club in the super pod saga discord

[01:27:16] So I want to I want to play it. I'm gonna play it on stream

[01:27:20] Nice and i'll be sure to include the link to that in the description of the video

[01:27:24] And that and when uh help blade 2 comes out in two weeks

[01:27:29] I will be I will be playing that on stream. I will be streaming my entire playthrough of that

[01:27:34] Nice so that'll be cool

[01:27:37] All right, and with that everybody we will see you all later

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