The 3DO Experience - Episode 35: Two For One Special: Doom And Family Feud!

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Have you experienced the power of the Panasonic Real 3DO System?

[00:00:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously!

[00:00:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Presenting 3DO

[00:00:09] [SPEAKER_00]: The most advanced home gaming system in the universe

[00:00:13] [SPEAKER_00]: It's time to put away your toys

[00:00:18] [SPEAKER_02]: 3DO from Panasonic Gold Star and Creative Labs

[00:00:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Anulo Pfeiss and 3DO

[00:00:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Going graphics of Panasonic Real 3DO

[00:00:25] [SPEAKER_00]: 3DO

[00:00:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Hello everybody and welcome back to the 3DO Experience, the 3DO Retrospective Podcast

[00:00:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Where you talk about all things 3DO, the 3DO company, the console and everything in between

[00:00:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I am Bill and this is Thrak. How are you doing Thrak?

[00:00:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm doing great Bill. I have been unshackled from the workflow

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_02]: At least for the time being. So I've had a lot of time to lay around and not do a fucking thing

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And it is nice. So I'm doing alright, but how are you doing Bill?

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_02]: There's some sad news on your side of the...

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the last five or so days have been pretty rough

[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_00]: My sister Alex she lost her cat and the cat was only seven years old

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Which is like way too young for a cat

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_00]: It was a rough day overall. She's getting better but she still...

[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_00]: It's gonna take some time for her to get over, like finally heal from it

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, did the cat have like medical complications or was it just some kind of accident?

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_00]: So it had a heart murmur and one of those things that like that they...

[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_00]: She was giving it medicine so like it was...

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_00]: She was doing basically all she could for it

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately it had a blood clot that went into its spine

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And it paralyzed it from like the waist down basically so it couldn't use its rear legs or tail anymore

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_00]: It was kind of one of those things where it was like they could have kept it alive

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_00]: But it would have had to live in a crate and that would have just been awful for the cat

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, had to put it down, fortunately

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Damn, that's rough

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, shout out to Alex. My thoughts and prayers are with you

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's doing better. We went to a cat rescue over the weekend

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think she went today actually at the time of this recording to go see another cat

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_00]: That she's gonna adopt so hopefully that works out

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I hope that works out, yeah, because our last cat he passed away it's been a few years now

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_02]: So and yeah, I remember a long time ago my favorite of the cats that we've had

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I was here when he passed away and ooh that was a rough day

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_02]: That was a very very rough day

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I finally like... the older you get the more you realize pets are family

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_00]: In like a deep kind of way like that so like...

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh for sure

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_00]: When one of them passes away it hurts

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_00]: That was a rough way to end the week and still not really over it

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_00]: But the best thing to do is just continue on

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, always take time to grieve

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_02]: For all of our listeners as well when this kind of stuff happens

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Always take the time to grieve because you need to

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Because the only way you can truly move on

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And be able to like still enjoy life essentially is to

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Let the natural course of losing someone that you care about

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Just kind of letting that go through

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Like just take the time, don't internalize any of that stuff it just makes it harder

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I've known people who say like they lost a parent or somebody and they never truly got over it

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And you can tell

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'll even say you have to like, you know, get over it, you know what I mean

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_02]: But at least be able to accept it, you know, to a certain degree

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll say like because we did post a few like little tributes online

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And the amount of support I saw from like not just people we knew but also like everyone in the podcast community was very nice

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Like that really kind of lifted my spirit a bit because it really shows that

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_00]: The connections you make do matter

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely, absolutely

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Despite us all knowing each other through screens and walls of text, you know

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_02]: There's still some weird form of human connection

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And this internet escape, you know

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's an unfortunate thing but the best thing we can do is move on and keep on truckin', as they say

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I was watching the NASCAR race this weekend

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I felt for your mom there but at the same time I was kind of

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I was in a bit of a rock and hard place because my mom's favorite driver is Chase Elliott

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_00]: So

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I was kind of like, uh, sorry, Thrac

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I got my mom's driver here

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_02]: It's fine, you know, like I feel bad for Brad because if it was you don't know my mom's driver is Brad Kizilowski

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And he, like he started out like pretty well

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Like he was racing super well just a lot of like bad luck and getting caught in like rough accidents was what's kind of screwing him over

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And it feels like since then like whatever momentum he has it's like he's kind of lost it

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Before, like it's

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_00]: It's stuck this year, that's the thing

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And also I think some of that stuff just took the wind out of his sails which is a shame because

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_02]: He hasn't won a race in like two years

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Three

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Ever since he started his own he joined Roush and started basically became a team owner

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, so who knows maybe he'll he'll get there but

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe four of them will get their shit together

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_02]: We can't guarantee that now can we

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_00]: But uh, yeah other than that not much has been going on

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I got back into reading American comics again so that's been interesting

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Despite having all this free time to myself where I could actually sit here and read the entirety of this guy

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I still haven't which is a crime on me so

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_02]: In fact maybe after this when we're done I'll probably just

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll probably just take the bookmark out and start from the beginning and just blaze through it

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Because yeah for audio listeners it's Vagabond the this big volume one so it's like the first three volumes of it so

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_02]: A little bit I read is very good

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I love that that's the same guy that did slam dunk

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know and I read slant I read the first volume of slam dunk news it definitely has me in a where is this going to go

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Because it and because it ends with like he's like so desperate to join the basketball team

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And then he's like in the tryouts and like the main guys giving him shit and so he's just like fuck this I'm leaving

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's an interesting one

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it ends on like oh interesting where's this gonna go so

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but um so for our topic for this episode we're trying something a little different here

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_00]: The game that we're covering for the first half of the episode

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_00]: There's not a whole lot to say about it. It's honestly more the story behind it's more interesting than the game

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_00]: So we decided but beside rather than just covering that we're actually going to do a little kind of like experiment here where we're going to cover two games in one episode

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_02]: That are completely unrelated

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly I kind of I forgot to grab my copy of the game but uh

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I do not have a copy of this game at least the game for the second half

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I was planning to do it but I just didn't get around to it

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the games we're covering for this episode are 3d o doom and family feud

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_00]: We're taking a bit of a G and C logic here when we do our like anime swaps where we can but where we compare two things that have nothing to do with each other

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Just for the hell of it so

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Sure

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_00]: For a little comparison

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_00]: So

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Doom is one of the most interesting games on 3d o

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Not because it's good just because it is a dumpster fire

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_00]: In almost every way and the story behind it is honestly the most interesting part about it

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And I in my this week I was doing a bit of refreshing for this episode and I learned a lot more about this game than I previously did and the fact that the story is a lot deeper and

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Certain individuals from the story I found out are

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_00]: World-class pieces of shit so

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're gonna there's gonna be a trigger warning later for people but um

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh that bad

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, yeah it is really bad kind of ruined my kind of ruins my favorite part of this game so

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh God

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll be getting to that but um yeah so

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody knows the 3d o comes out it we've covered in the past it's not doing great and they're kind of desperate for some killer apps

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Another game that comes out around this time is

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Doom for the Jaguar and doom for the Jaguar was pretty significant because it was the lone port of doom that uh

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Id software actually made themselves

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And by doing by making this port they basically just open the floodgates for licensing for doom ports on pretty much everything at the time

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Is the only reason they did the Jaguar version was because Atari paid them a lot of money

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know the exact reasoning honestly like I've been looking into that

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's interesting too because the Jaguar port

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Until the recent like RKLPC ports for like modern consoles

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_00]: The Jaguar port was like the most accurate port of the game

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_00]: For a long time

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and and I think at once I had heard that they did what they did

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_02]: They did one of the reason another reason that they did the Jaguar version was because I think by that point like the 32 X and the Super Nintendo versions came out

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And both of those are rough or what they are and so the Super Nintendo

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, the 32 X is based off the Jaguar

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so maybe they saw the Super Nintendo version and that it was kind of rough

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So they're like we kind of need to step in and help

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Potentially I'm not sure or maybe you know Atari was like you know we'll pay you a lot of money to give us the definitive console version of doom

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I guarantee you Atari was thinking of we have the definitive console port of doom it'll it'll sell the console

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm sure it sold well in the Jaguar fanbase but I doubt how many copies it moved because I think the Jaguar never even crossed a million units sold

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_00]: No, it didn't it's not

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_00]: It crossed half a million from what I remember

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Jesus

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_00]: So fun thing about Jag the licensing agreements for doom

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_00]: They when they were pricing out how much each version would cost they actually based it off of like the specs of the console

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And when they were toying around with a 3DO port they actually looked at the 3DO specs and they realized

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Getting a version of doom working on the 3DO was going to be a very challenging endeavor because the 3DO specs as much as I love this thing

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_00]: It's very clear that 3DO wasn't the most powerful console in the world

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it felt like it was more designed in the way like a CD I was designed to be just more of like a home entertainment platform than a gaming console

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_00]: The 3DO from what I've realized had very serviceable specs but like it kind of had a limit and people kind of it just kind of you had to work around where it's like limit was

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because there are ports on here that are actually very good

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll get into one of them during this story because it's somewhat ties in

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, it's like the direct predecessor to doom at least I think some people view it that way

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so what's fun is because they they only want basically the reason why they when they saw that making a port of this game for the 3DO was going to be challenging

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_00]: They only wanted to sell it to someone who they deemed would be serious about it

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh boy, what a foreshadowing statement

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_00]: But they price

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Intending doom

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I see what you did there

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Basically, their their way of finding someone serious was they they priced it out the rights to do the port at quarter of a million dollars

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Which was a lot at the time

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_02]: That is a lot of money

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Basically they were thinking if someone was going to be crazy enough to spend that kind of money then surely they would you know put the effort into it

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And then they they unfortunately they ran into our

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_00]: So for this story I want to say there is a protagonist and an antagonist

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_00]: For this story

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to call this guy the antagonist of this story

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Mr. Randall Letcher Scott that middle name will is kind of fascinating for how foreshadowing it will be later on

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I recognize that name

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_00]: He is known for this game in this game alone

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh boy

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Well and some other stuff we'll get to later

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Old Randy Scott here he

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Randy Scott the best way to summarize this man is he is a businessman

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_00]: He is very good at selling shit

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_00]: But has no fucking idea what he's selling

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean if you're a good salesman you don't really have to know the product that well

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_00]: In this case I think he might need it too

[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_02]: True I mean video games are a different medium than selling I don't know shower curtain rings

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Though he knew his product

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes he did

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Anyone who gets that reference

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not even going to say what it's from

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not either

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_00]: So Mr. Mr. Scott basically he formed a company known as art data interactive

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And he had some big plans for art data interactive

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_00]: They had

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry to cut you off does art data interactive that sounds like a company that made like we wear shovel

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_00]: It does

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_00]: You're thinking of data design I think

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes they're so closely connected in name

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Art data did not make it through the 90s I'll just say that now

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I figured

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_00]: So art before doom happened art data was mostly known for they they acquired the publishing rights to Rise of the Robots for its 3DO port

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Already off to a great start

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't played Rise of the Robots

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_00]: So Rise of the Robots was a fighting game that was so overhyped as like the greatest thing since Street Fighter and it came out and it was the most generic lame fighting game ever made like essentially like

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean in an era full of those that is saying something

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and Rise of the Robots the thing about Rise of the Robots that made it super significant was this thing was hyped to shit like people were thinking this was legit going to be the greatest thing ever

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And then it came out like a wet fart

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people are very upset

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah so they ported well they didn't even port it they just published someone else's port for our 3DO

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_00]: And they thought wow that was easy let's do it with doom so they bought the rights to doom and when they bought the rights to doom they got the source code from doom itself

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And they also got the first rights to port doom too if their version of doom sold well spoiler warning it didn't

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_00]: So this is where things get a little messy

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_00]: So essentially Mr. Scott starts hyping the shit out of this game like it's going to be the greatest thing ever he's talking about bonus levels like added weapons, FMV cut scenes all sorts of added stuff he's going to make the game better in every way

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_00]: No God

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's going to be the definitive version better than PC and at this point he's telling

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't say that

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And at this point he's already hyping up that the game is 96% done

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Keep that in mind and everything is looking great

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Meanwhile

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a very specific number 96%

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Meanwhile

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_00]: In the background keep in mind

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Art data wasn't a development studio it was literally just a guy and they had no developers on hand and basically

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_00]: They hadn't done anything yet

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_00]: They had hired two companies to work on this game the first one left before they even started any work because they basically took one look at Mr. Randy Scott here and said you know

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So why would he do all this hyping up before it even started development

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't understand that at all because at least with say

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Close comparison like when people started hyping up cyberpunk like crazy like it was being worked on so we actually got to see

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Some footage of it

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_02]: You know before that whole nonsense happened so

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_02]: But with this 3D a port of doom like

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Like not a line of code was typed yet so like why why would you do that

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Mr. Randy Scott here

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he knew anything about video games

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's a fair thing to say

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah so the first studio we don't know much we don't know anything about these first two studios that were hired to develop this to handle this port

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_00]: The first one walked out before beginning work the second one actually got like to their first miles like programming milestone and then Randy didn't pay them

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_00]: So they said fuck you were out

[00:18:47] God

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_00]: So eventually 3DO starts like wondering

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_00]: You know this is a very big game and our console isn't doing so hot right now

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_00]: And you're hyping up it's 96% done but you have yet to show us anything

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_00]: And then Randy makes the reveal

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah we haven't started yet which

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_00]: 3DO essentially goes we're already printing the boxes and everything in with screenshots that you sent us

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Which apparently were just like photos of doom from PC with his

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Weapon jpegs like Photoshopped in

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Are those on the back of the

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_00]: No no no these are scrapped

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh I would love to see those screenshots

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_00]: So there so I will say a lot of my information for this video came from a stop skeletons from fighting did a whole video discussing this and

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh he has a whole series on doom ports

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_00]: So if you all are interested

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I was gonna say he did a full video on this game where this is how I learned a lot of this stuff

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah if you guys are interested yeah stop skeletons are fighting he has like a whole series of doom ports like he loves doom

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And he likes talking about literally every single version that's ever been released like he has detail

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Like descriptions about all of them even as a series on the doom RPGs that were on the cell phones and all that good stuff so

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's great yeah I want to give him the credit word because a lot of my information I got from him among other

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah he does very good research

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_00]: He does I've actually met him in person at a convention he was a very nice man

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh he seems lovely

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_00]: So going back to the port essentially 3DO freaked out at this point because they were like what the fuck

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_00]: And eventually via previous working relationships they got in contact with a studio known as Logicware

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And Logicware was headed by a programmer named Rebecca Heineman

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And Rebecca Heineman is the protagonist of this story as I'd like to say

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_02]: The true hero

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_00]: She is the hero and you'll find out why very shortly

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Interesting backstory about Rebecca Heineman she has a deep history in video games she's actually one of the co-founders of Interplay

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Nice

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_00]: She was one of the co-founders of Interplay

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_00]: She actually we mentioned it earlier she handled the 3DO ports of both Wolfenstein 3D

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And another world slash out of this world

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Looking at her gameography she like did the Bard's Tale games

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_02]: She handled the SNES port of another world

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Did like the PC port of killing time and later on worked on like Medal of Honor Rising Sun

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Command and conquer 3 like yeah she's been around

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_02]: She's done like a lot of like good stuff

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah she knows her shit

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And like we said she did the 3DO port of Wolfenstein

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Which in a lot of people's opinions is the best version of Wolfenstein 3D

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_00]: So it seemed like a smart choice

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes well we'll eventually get into that version of Wolfenstein 3D on a later episode

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah that version is fantastic

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes it deserves its own episode not like this dumpster fire

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_00]: So essentially she shows up and she meets Mr. Randy Scott

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And she learns very quickly that this guy is something else

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_02]: He's full of shit

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_00]: That's one way of putting it

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Essentially she basically sits around for like two weeks

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And because he didn't supply her with the source code for the game or anything

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_00]: And then he shows up one day and gives her a disk full of JPEGs

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Of all FMV sequences of everything that he wants in the game

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And he's asking her oh how's progress going and she's like I need the source code for the game

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I can't make a game without source code

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And this is my favorite thing

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_00]: The response was oh you don't have a copy of the game

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_00]: You mean don't you already have a copy of the game?

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Which she immediately realized he thinks all you do to port a game is take the PC version and just put it in a 3DO

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Like he literally thought it was like control C, control V

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Pretty much that was all that was legit

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_00]: This man knew nothing about video games

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_02]: To be fair there are people even nowadays where it's easier to learn about this stuff

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_02]: That think porting is just doing that

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_00]: True, but this man was running a full-on business and claiming that he had 96% on gold copy of the game

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's acting like one of the many people on Twitter who think they know better than actual game designers

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and fun fact too when Rebecca showed up to start working on the game

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_00]: He basically was like so I'll pay you when it's done and her response was no you're gonna pay me my down payment now

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what a down payment is

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah which he reluctantly did, he didn't want to

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Well good for her

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_02]: This reminds me not to tangent too much but in the 80s when King Crimson reformed

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Which you can listen to on frame by frame

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I mentioned this to where like EG back in the 70s convinced King Crimson that bands aren't getting paid to tour

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_02]: They tour for free to promote the record and then they get money off of album sales

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Because they didn't know any better

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And by the time the 80s came around and they had Adrian Balu and Tony Levin

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Two Americans who had a better understanding of the music business and it toured a bunch already

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_02]: When EG tried to pull that shit again Balu and Levin stepped in and were like no no no no no no no

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_02]: You fucking pay us to tour

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And EG reluctantly paid them to tour ever since

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I can't see why Fripp was disillusioned with the music business

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah I know right

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_00]: So basically after Miss Heinemann basically discovered this guy is legit

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Full of shit has no fucking idea

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_00]: He quit

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Good for her

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Fuck that dude

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And then 3DO went please please come back

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And he had a good relationship with 3DO

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_00]: So they convinced her to come back

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_02]: From what I think we've figured out like the devs who worked with 3DO

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Like enjoyed working with them

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I think 3DO gave them a lot of leave way to just kind of do what they want

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And devs like that

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Where like 3DO is like oh here's some money just make what you want

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Devs love that shit

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_00]: So what makes it even better is not only 3DO basically begged her to come back

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And then when she did come back they basically forced Randy Scott to pay her double for the game

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Fuck yeah

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Which was nice

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And then another pretty nice story

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_00]: She still had no source code by the way Randy had the source code for the PC version of the game

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Why didn't he just give her the fucking source code?

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Because he probably had no fucking idea what it was so let's be real here

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_02]: God fucking god damn it

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_00]: That's my theory that's also what Derek said in the video

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_02]: See the it's just like these people who get these positions of power who don't fucking deserve it

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And then when they get there they don't bother to do any research and like actually wise up as to why they got there

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_02]: It fucking pisses me off

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Well if you want to fucking much

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_00]: You want to learn how he got the money to buy the doom license

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_02]: What the fuck did he do

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_00]: So this is so a lot of this story comes from Rebecca Heinemann has told the story multiple times and it's one of those things where every time it gets told it kind of changes a bit but the overall basic like the basic skeleton of the story is always the same there's just minor things change over time because people forget people remember

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Apparently according to her the money came from he was very big with his church and they did church fundraising and that's how he got the money to buy yeah

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh god

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_00]: This is all alleged like we have no there's no concrete truth on that I'm gonna say that's just what's been told

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_00]: But going back to now we're back with Rebecca Heinemann's back she's basically like she understands at this point she's not gonna get the source code from Randy

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_00]: And she basically has to she realizes I'm gonna have to do this myself so she calls it up and she actually gets on the phone with John Keramac and explains to him the situation and he actually is a very good dude about this and he actually sends her a copy of the Jaguar source code

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah yeah John Keramac yeah John Keramac a little weird but from what I've heard like a good dude and a fucking amazing programmer

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Can you imagine that though like thinking about it like he knows as far as Keramac knew at this point he sold the doom rights like months ago and suddenly he's getting a call from someone out of the blue like hey I need to do the doom port can I have the source code

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's probably like what the fuck are they doing with my game

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah it's probably thinking that but knowing him like yeah he'll help out he's a nice guy

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Well he probably was like he probably thought in his head like what a fucking idiot like this guy was and he's like alright you know what you're doing

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah like I'm sure there's like a solidarity with game developers you know like because I'm sure Keramac has been in those kind of situations

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Well he probably also worked with her during the Wolfenstein port or at least probably knew of her from that

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah probably and I'm sure if she had the leverage she probably could have been like hey can we get like Keramac to come in and like help but that probably would have been too much money

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah Mr Scott wasn't gonna have the money for that

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_02]: No shot yeah no shot even if Keramac didn't necessarily have the name recognition yet I mean doom did give him that but it would have been way too much money

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah especially with his Ferrari habit

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh god what was it with game devs back then and just buying expensive cars it's just weird to me

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just a thing people like I mean I have an expensive car

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't my car was affordable and it's nice I'm just I'm not a car guy

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_02]: It's never really been my thing like if I play like a racing game I can Google it the nice cars but I never in the back of my head go God I want to have one of those

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_02]: You know like even if I could afford it I probably shouldn't bother you know I just want something that's reliable and just does what I want it to do

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_00]: This was my out of high school goal and I did it

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Well how much that car cost you like three bucks

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh this

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_02]: My dream was to buy a model car

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_00]: No actually I got this at a supermarket because I saw it when I was walking out

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_00]: No the real one was I don't even remember how much I've paid for and it's been so long

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_02]: It's fine it's fine I drive a Chevy Malibu and I'm happy

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_00]: So going back to where our story left off she now has the source code for the Jaguar version

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And she's got a of course D Jaguar that and then rebuild it from the ground up for 3DO

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And she basically does the calculations and finds out this is going to take about six months to do properly like just with the amount of work it's going to take

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_00]: And then she gets the biggest bombshell of this entire story

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_00]: They needed it they needed in 10 weeks

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Now this is not a Randy Scott or 3DO thing this was actually a stipulation in the purchase of the rights from it is that they needed it for the Christmas season

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_00]: The problem is Randy Scott dragged his ass for like God knows how long and basically they had 10 months 10 weeks left

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh boy

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_00]: So basically she was like well fuck so she didn't quit but you bet she wanted to at this point

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh for sure but she's probably she's probably far enough along that it's like fuck it let's just get it done

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah so she like you can't like and plus she's getting paid a premium to stay there because 3DO vouched for her

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So she's probably thinking even if this sucks shit let me just deal with it and move on like there's a lot of game dev histories where it's like oh how is this game bad

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And the devs will say oh we were just put on a really bad time constraint we did the best that we could but we just thought you know we'll just we'll hammer in we'll finish it and then it'll be done and we can move on from it

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_02]: You know because it's better to just stay and finish it than to like back out of it you know because that's a bad look if you just leave it you know

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_00]: So basically going from this point now she basically starts working on the game doing the best she can in 10 months in 10 weeks

[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_02]: She probably evoked the the Carmack work style maybe even more than that

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_00]: So Rebecca Heinemann's actually kind of fun her nickname is Burger Becky and the reason she has

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Is she related to Burger Camp?

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so but that would be funny

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_00]: That would be amazing

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_00]: The reason why she was known as Burger Becky is because she actually had a drawer at her workstation that was just full of burgers

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean you know when you're hungry you're hungry you know

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah you gotta get the work done

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I just always thought that was funny

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean if you're working like 60 hours a week at a desk you know you're gonna have a drawer of like snacks or something to eat you know

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_00]: It kind of reminds me of like

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Shit I lost my train of thought

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Anyways

[00:33:44] [SPEAKER_00]: So meanwhile she's doing the best she can

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_00]: And then Randy starts calling again and he's like so when are you gonna put in the FMVs?

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And she's like

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Her responses

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Her responses what FMVs?

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_00]: So during this whole time

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_02]: This guy reminds me of

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_02]: It was a new story a while ago where

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_02]: It was like the CEO of Kellogg's was like because like food costs are rising he's just like oh maybe you should just have cereal for breakfast

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what this fucking sounds like to me

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_00]: So

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_00]: In the background during this whole time they were actually working on like

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Full on like full motion video cutscenes and a storyline for this game and an apparent love interest for the Doom guy

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_00]: You can find the images from this online it is as ridiculous as it sounds

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Doom guy doesn't fuck he's a virgin

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_02]: In my canonic in my head Doom guy is a virgin it makes way too much fucking sense

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that the death of his rabbit would cause him to murder Satan

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Yep

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this continuity though Randy had different ideas

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And they had a full on costume made for this thing actually the costume

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_00]: You can apparent is apparently on sale like you can buy the remains of the costume online

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_00]: No, thanks

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_00]: But so they didn't even have a proper green screen it was too short and too close to the actors so the whole thing was like

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I think there was like five minutes of footage total

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_00]: And basically the whole time he would just keep like pestering her like when are you gonna put it in she just be like

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_00]: What the fuck am I supposed to do so she basically just

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_02]: So who is doing the FMV

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_00]: So there was a separate company I it's a legitimate company to like they actually like do good work

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you imagine feels like digital pictures so the the the the costumes and effects were all handled from the company global effects who apparently still exist

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_00]: To this day and they actually do fairly good work

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean I don't deny that but like

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Hell yeah

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_02]: So this is so so so they were filming the FMVs at the same time

[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Well Heinemann was like over time trying to get this done and then and so it's like they're being worked on simultaneously and then I guess global was sending the footage to her

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And she was like and she's like I can't fit this in I like the base game isn't done why put that shit in there you know

[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_00]: So the global effects just provided the basically the costumes and the the effects and stuff

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess all the filming was done at our dad's office, which is why it was unusable

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because they probably didn't idea

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_02]: They they probably didn't know how to film FMV stuff and like fit it into a game

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_02]: You know like it was still relatively new technology

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_02]: But like if they wanted to be smart about it

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_02]: They could have got like another digital pictures or somebody who already had experience with doing this and be like hey

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Why don't you like can you help us figure this out?

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_02]: It just seems to be that this whole project was led by one fucking dude who just thought it would be really cool to have a great version of doom on consoles

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_02]: To make some money, but he had no idea how to actually make it work

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_00]: That basically sums up Randy Scott. Yes

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And so

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Fucking idiot

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Among other things

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_00]: But um

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh God

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the whole time this is going on basically

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Rebecca knows like

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't have the time or even like the knowledge of how she's gonna like digitize this shit

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Into the game to fit in there. So let alone get everything else working

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_00]: So she basically just tells him oh, I didn't get it every time he supposedly sends it to her

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_00]: And just kind of ignores it

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_02]: So she probably was getting it but she was thinking like I like the base game isn't done like I like I can't fit this in there

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_00]: She basically she was like I don't have time for your shit right now. Just ignored him

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Basically, this is where we get into the game's most interesting elements in my opinion

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_00]: So musically

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_00]: She's working with the Jaguar version the Jaguar version famously has no music

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_02]: So she was gonna have which I think the Jaguar version doesn't have music in the gameplay because

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Infamously the Jaguar was a nightmare to work on

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Like in the audio I think was purely the Tom and Jerry like dual chip setup people really know

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_02]: The Jerry chip the Jerry chip. Yeah, but people did not know how to make it work

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_02]: So most like Jaguar games are just that Motorola

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_02]: CPU that they just kind of threw in there as like a fuck it right most games were working off of that

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_02]: But because of the because the Atari Jaguar port of doom is still very very good

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think all the processing power it was using to make that game playable

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_02]: There just wasn't any room for the music because there's music in the menus and like in between the levels

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But when you're playing the game, yeah, there's none and I think that was just because they couldn't get Jerry chip

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_02]: To properly have the sound while they were playing the game

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I believe what happened was I believe karmak actually used the Jerry chip for processing in game

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Which is basically he used it for other purposes which is partially why the game runs so well

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_00]: It's because he was actually optimizing the console's hardware

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_02]: That that makes more sense. Yeah, because I'm sure the Jerry chip is being used for like the sound effects

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_02]: The sound effects are there the Jerry chip

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_00]: The Jerry chip is interesting to me because it's actually arguably on par with the Super Nintendo sound card in a lot of ways

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_00]: But no games like really used it so no one really knows

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and like Atari did not send like technical guides to any developer like developers would ask

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Be like how the fuck do these things work and they're like oh we didn't write a manual

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like what the fuck would you not rate like they didn't write a manual to explain how this shit works

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like why wouldn't you not do that?

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_00]: So what's funny though is like the Jaguar we didn't know actually had a pretty decent sound card because like you listen to like Tepis 2000

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_00]: The music in that game is great

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, slaps

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_00]: But um yeah so in a roundabout way with the music now

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_00]: So basically she had because there was no music programmed into Doom Jaguar

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_00]: She kind of had to like she realized that like that would have taken so much time to like program her own sound engine

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And like program the music into the engine for the game

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_00]: But the 3DO was a disc based system and could read the music right off the disc

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_00]: So somehow down the line she discovered that Mr. Randall are filling here

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Is actually a pretty competent musician like he actually has a band and can actually

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_00]: One thing he's good at like is apparently he's a decent musician

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_00]: She sends him basically the Doom soundtrack like I believe like like digitized versions from like one of the versions of the game

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And basically just tells him

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_02]: So the Super Nintendo version because Super Nintendo version does a good job of converting the the tunes from PC to Super Nintendo

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_00]: It was either that or it was just like the original midis from PC

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_02]: But um

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_00]: It could have been that

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Basically she sends Randy Scott these copies and she's basically like you play them and make me the soundtrack

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Which was kind of like a killing two birds with one stone kind of thing

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And it took care of the music which she did not have time for and it also got him to leave her the fuck alone for a while

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Give him a little pet project to do

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah basically it was her way of distracting him for a bit so she could actually get some work done

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And the soundtrack is very interesting

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_00]: It is very loose interpretations of the Doom like music

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Done in this weird kind of like garage band style that is surprisingly really good

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_02]: It almost sounds like if it was recorded in like 90s garage band which probably been like Pro Tools 3.0 or something

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Because something I found while you were talking is um Rebecca has put the entire like 3DO Doom like source code and all the files online

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Like if you go to GitHub the whole thing's there

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah and there's actually

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_02]: She calls it the whole enchilada

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So you get like all the textures, the sprites, the source code and the music is in there

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And I downloaded E1M1 the famous Doom track

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And listening to it it's like it's E1M1 like it doesn't it's not as punchy

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_02]: It almost sounds like a as you said like a 90s like grunge like garage band doing like a version of it you know

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I wouldn't be surprised if there was like a garage grunge band in the 90s that they would play local gigs and would do this song

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And there'd probably be people saying like why are they doing an instrumental version of Master of Puppets?

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah because that's what it is but basically

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah but it's not bad like it has character to it

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_00]: It is very interesting like I think Rebecca's done like interviews where she's kind of like been like you know it's one of the few good things he did on this game

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Probably the only thing

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Like because I love like Kitchenace is like my favorite song from the series and I love the version of Kitchenace from this game

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah like I'll say E1M1 is solid so y'all go to GitHub type in like Doom 3DO you can find the whole thing and you can go listen to those tunes

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_00]: So unless my ending thoughts ruin the soundtrack for you later which we'll get to but um

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_00]: No Jesus

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah but um basically what she

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't audience I don't know so I'll be as shocked as you

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah I learned this today and it kind of ruined a lot of things but um yeah so

[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Basically what she would do is every time he finished a song he'd send it to her and she just kind of throw it into the into the rom as she was going along

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_00]: She'd be like good done there that's there

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah honestly like E1M1 sounds like a rough take of it

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So it could have been him just being like oh you know this is a good kind of version maybe she'll send it and maybe critique me you know and she was probably like oh it's perfect thanks

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Done cut it

[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Like Ed Wood you do like a rough take like cut print perfect

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Do the next one and leave me alone basically

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_00]: So eventually the game gets done

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And it runs at 5 frames per second

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Which it may sound bad but keep in mind what she had to work with and that's actually kind of impressive the fact that it runs at all

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly and I think she used a lot of her knowledge from working on Wolfenstein 3D to actually get this because I feel I feel if she didn't have that prior experience this wouldn't have been able to come out at all

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I think

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Because when 3DO saw this version and saw it running at like 5 to 8 frames per second they were kind of like it's got to be 15 at least like that it's got to be at least 15

[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_02]: At least n64

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah so that this is the reason why when you play the game the screen size is shrunk because that was the only way to get it to run at 15 frames per second

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it has 4 screen sizes technically 6 but the last 2 I read you have to like you have to cheat use a cheat device to actually get them

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And 6 is like about as full screen as you can get

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I know it's wonderful to play said no one

[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_00]: So fun fact about those two hidden screen sizes

[00:46:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Initially those weren't going to be in the game she was going to keep the sizes that ran confidently

[00:46:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Basically Randy was like why isn't it full screen and she was like fine you know what we can't do this here I'm going to put in a cheat code that you can do it and don't worry when the 3DO M2 comes out it will run perfectly on that

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Basically she just told them told them this nonsense to make him go away

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I have a feeling if the M2 was backwards compatible it probably would have run this better

[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Possibly we don't really know enough about what the M2's actual power was but I'd like to assume maybe

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it would have been backwards compatible like it probably wouldn't have been that difficult to do

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah but that's why the game runs is tiny in a square and runs like it's underwater

[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_02]: It makes the 32x version look like the PC version

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah so but I will say small screen size and sluggish controls aside the game is perfectly functional like there is no glitches at all like it is a solid held together game that is just not optimized for the console it's on

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_02]: It's Doom baby so I mean if you like Doom well don't play this version there's like a million other versions to play that are better

[00:47:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Like Doom is probably one of the most ported games of all time is that a safe bet?

[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_00]: It's one of them also keep in mind so she finishes the game sends it off to the 3DO to basically get gold and then she gets the final version

[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Well actually no before she sends out the final version Mr. Scott tried to stiff her her final payment

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh bastard, fucking bastard

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_00]: At this point I'm surprised but um

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure she wasn't surprised either

[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_00]: No and that's why she didn't send out the final master disk yet she basically said told 3DO you ain't getting this disk until I get my money

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Good for her

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_02]: No you're worth

[00:48:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Basically 3DO told Randy Scott you're gonna pay her or you're gonna be in serious trouble

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Like we they're like we've we've spent too much money getting this fucking thing off the ground you will give her her payment so we can release this and maybe recoup some of the cost

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah so begrudgingly he pays her and then she sends out the final thing and she essentially wipes her hands of it and goes off to continue doing what she did best

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_00]: And basically left the entire dubster fire on Mr. Randy Scott

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't I don't blame her because that's the thing it's not her fault like everybody who's like told this story always takes her side you know I mean take the dev side usually

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Um because she tried her best and you can tell like from the 10 weeks she got the fact she was able to get a version of the game you can beat is very impressive

[00:49:18] [SPEAKER_02]: You know like imagine what she had done if she'd gotten 20 weeks

[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah she actually you know was hired from the start got the source code right away and exactly had to deal with Randy's bullshit but at least had time

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_02]: It probably would have been easier yeah because right after this she did the the PC port of killing time which I'm told is actually like pretty good

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_02]: It is

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Um I do owe her an idea that

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And she did the Mac port of Tempest 2000 so it comes back around

[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_00]: No she is you look at everything she did and it is all really good work this game is like the one random blemish and even then it's not going to really have blemish because when you really look at it she was a superstar

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah she was like one of the few like women in the industry at that time that like people knew about and were like oh like hell yeah you know it was like her and um

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh who is the lady who created Kings Quest?

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh that was um

[00:50:23] [SPEAKER_02]: You know who I'm talking about

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Sierra Sierra the co-founder Sierra

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah her fuck I can't I can't think of her name I feel I feel so bad

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Hold on hold on

[00:50:35] [SPEAKER_00]: It was Ken Williams

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Roberta Williams

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Roberta Williams

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_02]: That's right yeah it was Roberta Williams

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Her

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Rebecca Heineman Amy Henning

[00:50:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I think she was starting to

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_02]: The uh

[00:50:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Do stuff at this time though I think at this time is was all she known for was that uh Michael Jordan

[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh possibly oh and then of course the

[00:50:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Because like a legacy of Kane was 96 which I believe was the same years as through the Oport

[00:51:01] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's probably when Amy Henning started to get some notoriety at the time

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh there's also um

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Centipede um

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah yeah yeah

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I forgot she did Centipede yeah

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Like one of the first games

[00:51:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Hell yeah there's always been women in the industry

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_00]: They're just getting more recognition now

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly exactly because because now people actually like kind of oh and plus in the Centipede time

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Like people didn't really know who made the games anyways it didn't matter

[00:51:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Well that was also a very famous thing about Centipede was that it was a game that attracted women at the arcades

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Well you know it makes sense

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Well it was designed like it was like the pastel colors and stuff they've just like attracted women

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah it's color palette is very nice

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_00]: But then you look at its identical twin millipede which has this very drab color scheme that was a total sausage vest in the corner

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_00]: So

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Women dig Centipedes not millipedes remember that dudes

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah they're like in that era when like you know devs didn't get credit for anything

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was like was it an adventure?

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_02]: There's like if you do like if you find like a specific like secret spot off to the side

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_02]: You know the dude put his credit in there because he asked Atari if he could get like put his name in the credits and they were like no

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_02]: But he like kind of snuck it in there

[00:52:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh another one is a

[00:52:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Like and like famously pitfall

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I think pitfall like I think on the box it says like made by David Crane

[00:52:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like you know who fucking made this game

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Another famous lady in gaming of the

[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Oddworld of the the she I can't remember her name, but she was like oh yeah people behind that alongside a Lorne landing

[00:52:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah, I don't have the highest the nicest things to say about Oddworld

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh sure sherry McKenna

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_02]: That's right. That's right. Yeah, I like Oddworld's never been a favorite of mine

[00:53:08] [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not but you still got to appreciate them for what they were

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure, sure

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_00]: They're not terrible. I can safely say that they're very much you either like them or don't that's kind of how I've always viewed the oddworld games

[00:53:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a fair thing

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_00]: But yes, so basically to finish up this story

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Mr. Scott was left with this dumpster fire on his lap and he was still trying to push for like the doom-tooth port that was going to come out eventually

[00:53:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh

[00:53:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Like how much did this version sell at the time? Do we have any numbers?

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_00]: So the numbers are a bit spotty

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_00]: So keep in mind there was only like 2 million 3DOs really sold out on the market. I think 2 million it was around 2 million was the total number of 3DOs sold

[00:54:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Approximately. Yeah, actually was one of the better selling 3DO games believe it or not. I mean Gex was the best

[00:54:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I believe it

[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_00]: And he also

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_00]: In his last ditch effort because he was like in serious debt now because he already spent all his money to get the license the money for the photo shoots and FMV shit

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_00]: All the money he had to pay Rebecca

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Plus God knows what else I also had the musicians in his band most likely weren't paid

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Keep that in mind

[00:54:32] [SPEAKER_00]: He had a band it sounds like he's did it all himself. No, he had an actual full-on band like I think that was actually his church band

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_02]: That's awesome a church band doing do music is fucking incredible. Yeah

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, I don't think any of them were paid. Oh, no, they know they got paid in prayer

[00:54:55] [SPEAKER_00]: They probably had they probably didn't even know what they were doing. Yeah, I think church musicians do get paid I

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't know. I was actually

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Way back in the day

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I remember I was offered to join a church band in my like early days of drumming

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_02]: but I did not take up on the offer because I'm not really a religious guy and

[00:55:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't have the confidence yet to think I could do that. So

[00:55:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Little fun fact about me. That's understandable

[00:55:25] [SPEAKER_00]: so

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Mr. Mr. Scott in his infinite like wisdom decided to pull an Atari tactic

[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And he bought

[00:55:36] [SPEAKER_00]: He basically ordered way more copies of the game than there was three

[00:55:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, oh god

[00:55:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Didn't did Nintendo do that for Breath of the Wild or was it just it was selling more copies than like there were switches at that time

[00:55:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was more of a ladder. Like I don't think it was as boneheaded as like

[00:55:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Because at least say if like Nintendo did that with like a like a Zelda like if they printed a shit ton of them

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_02]: They're like, we know these are gonna sell right see Nintendo could get away with

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Like they're because they're Nintendo if Nintendo does it. It's fine. If another company does it. It's fucking awful

[00:56:16] [SPEAKER_00]: This is literally just some crazy dude who who had happened to like luck his way into a

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_00]: high-level IP at the time and yeah

[00:56:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Just was hoping the the name alone would sell units

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean to be fair it probably did because in the mid 90s doom was hot shit

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it was a great game people were talking about it

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_02]: When the talks about like violence and video games are happening with like night trap and Mortal Kombat and everything

[00:56:43] [SPEAKER_02]: That was pre-doom, but then when doom came out it perfectly slid right into that conversation

[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean it makes a lot of sense like at that time doom was a very violent graphic video game, you know

[00:56:55] [SPEAKER_02]: It was it was and I could see people being

[00:56:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Upset about that, you know. Yes

[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_00]: so

[00:57:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Essentially after this game comes out it is destroyed by critics because it is

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not good

[00:57:11] [SPEAKER_02]: No

[00:57:13] [SPEAKER_00]: There's really no redeeming qualities

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_00]: And following its release art data did make one more game

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Debatable how much they actually made the game and not just a

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Fumbled around into it

[00:57:33] [SPEAKER_00]: But they made a game for DOS. It was also supposed to come out on

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_00]: 3DO, but

[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_00]: You can guess why it didn't

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_00]: It was called chess wars a medieval fantasy

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Sounds like my kind of game

[00:57:52] [SPEAKER_00]: so apparently it's like a ripoff of like

[00:57:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Battle chests or something?

[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_00]: That's what it sounds like. Yeah, but they use like the same

[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_00]: The same studio to do a bunch of full motion video stuff

[00:58:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was

[00:58:11] [SPEAKER_00]: It actually has

[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I had my god. It actually according to like the few reviews I can find it actually was pretty well received but

[00:58:20] [SPEAKER_00]: That might be just because it's based off a better game

[00:58:24] [SPEAKER_02]: But like battle chests with FMV cutscenes sounds like a masterpiece

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah

[00:58:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Not with this guy's cutscenes

[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_02]: True and apparently chess wars was supposed to come out on the 3DO, but never happened, you know, it's even crazier is that

[00:58:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Chess Wars I believe was made by interplay or battle chess I should say I

[00:58:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Believe battle chess is yeah because it's available on like so much stuff. Yes, it was there's a 3DO version of it

[00:58:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So we can talk about it one of these days exactly actually

[00:59:00] [SPEAKER_00]: That's like the biggest irony is the fact that I believe it was interplay a company that Rebecca found helped found by the way

[00:59:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Just to yeah, that around dude battle chess is on steam. Hell yeah

[00:59:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah

[00:59:15] [SPEAKER_00]: The 3DO port of chess wars never materialized for obvious reasons

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm way too excited about battle chess

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Something's wrong with me. He also

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Apparently they were also gonna port rise of the robots to Jaguar CD and my favorite part is

[00:59:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Underneath the the the description of rise of the robots on their Wikipedia page

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_00]: It says like the game was going to be ported to Jaguar CD by art dad interactive

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_00]: But it never happened and it's unknown why and I'm just into going oh, I know why I

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Can tell you why for many reasons

[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so basically this game goes out with a whimper and our data despite still claiming they're gonna make the doom to port

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_00]: eventually closes and

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Randy decides to leave the video game industry and he starts a music school

[01:00:13] [SPEAKER_00]: for children

[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm gonna put the big trigger warning here now

[01:00:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Anybody anybody yeah anybody. Oh, no

[01:00:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah sensitive topic coming up anyone who's

[01:00:28] [SPEAKER_02]: What's his name Randy? What Randy let your Scott

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't I'm not

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's just say in 2017 he was arrested for

[01:00:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Allegedly because I don't know if it's been confirmed you or not

[01:00:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm molesting two of the girls at the school

[01:00:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like

[01:00:56] [SPEAKER_00]: When I said the man is a piece of shit at the start of the episode I wasn't kidding

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_02]: He pleaded guilty and was sentenced to time in jail awaiting trial. That's according to the Orange County Register

[01:01:08] [SPEAKER_02]: He did guilty to two felony counts of child-belesting according to court records as part of the negotiated plea with prosecutors

[01:01:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Two felony counts of lewd or lascivious acts with a child younger than 14 were dismissed

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_02]: He was sentenced to three years in eight months in prison, but Scott has credit for

[01:01:27] [SPEAKER_02]: 2496 days in custody which covers the punishment. He was arrested in July 2017

[01:01:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And he was ordered to register as sex offender for 10 years

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Scott admitted that sometime between October 1st and December 25th of 2015

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Blah blah blah blah. I won't go into details

[01:01:44] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a bit of okay the two children have no other connection. Yeah, and this was back in

[01:01:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this this article was published in 2023 so this

[01:02:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it was probably some that it was sitting in like, you know

[01:02:04] [SPEAKER_02]: litigation for a long time well

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_00]: He was arrested in 2017 and then of course the courts are oh it's California, so it's a shit there

[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of shit going on. Yeah, and then of course cove it happened

[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_00]: You can understand it took a while, but yeah world-class piece of shit

[01:02:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And the he went from being this goofball like dumb ass to like wow this guy sucked in every way

[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean he is a goofball dumb ass, but like in like not a good way

[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but now you can't laugh at him in the funny way. You just like you just got to get disgusted when you think about

[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[01:02:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Somebody post about in the 3DO like reddit and like the top comment is so my 3DO is a PEDO

[01:02:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Like yeah, well the worst part is all people like well now I got a burn my copy of this

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like no no he had barely anything to do with it. You gotta

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like fine. You got to respect Rebecca's work

[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly exactly don't don't worry about that

[01:03:04] [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't kill the soundtrack for me

[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_00]: But it does kind of like leave that kind of ick to it at the same time though

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Because that was the one thing that he directly touched but yeah bad bad taste it bad taste in the mouth

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's one of go ahead. I was just gonna say it's one of those things where it's like

[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I understand if that would ruin it for you

[01:03:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I can I can look past it just and look at it as the art and not ignore the artist, but

[01:03:26] [SPEAKER_00]: It's still kind of yeah

[01:03:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'll give Rebecca Heinemann all the credit in the world but

[01:03:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Mr. Mr. Scott no no

[01:03:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's just say when I first envisioned doing this episode

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was gonna be a lot more humorous and then I I discovered today

[01:03:43] [SPEAKER_00]: But that and I was like well this just changed everything. Yeah way to take the fucking room down you piece

[01:03:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Though I will say and well in the subreddit I saw you posted your long box collection

[01:03:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's cool. It looked pretty wow. Why don't you promote the podcast on here? I

[01:04:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't know like red do it. Hey, we would we probably get some more traction

[01:04:09] [SPEAKER_00]: My thing is redditors are weird and they get all like self-promotions evil

[01:04:13] [SPEAKER_02]: The blood and then they get all like the bed doesn't have anything in here about self promotion and like the rules

[01:04:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll have to look and see I don't know like redditors

[01:04:22] [SPEAKER_02]: See here all posts should relate to the 3DO no more than 10% of your posts may be self

[01:04:28] [SPEAKER_02]: No more than 10% of your posts may be self promotion

[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_02]: So so if you post it one time, I

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Think you'll be okay. Oh

[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Just do it see what happens

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, if we get flooded with like bad reviews on like Apple podcast, bro

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll just read them on air because those are funny

[01:04:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Like the the King Crimson pod has like one bad Apple podcast review and we read it on air because it was funny

[01:04:55] [SPEAKER_00]: The guy that's like they don't play the music and it's like that's a leak

[01:04:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm like I'm like bro. I'm gonna get copyright claim to shit

[01:05:03] [SPEAKER_00]: But uh, yeah one last note on a

[01:05:07] [SPEAKER_00]: One last note on this

[01:05:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Rebecca Heineman does like on conventions and stuff and like interviews about this all the time and I think

[01:05:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, she did a presentation on the game once and I think it was literally called like doom 3DO how I survived hell

[01:05:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Just like doom guy her interviews are pretty funny like I was she seems like a treasure

[01:05:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Apparently at the the stops keleton's video on this game

[01:05:35] [SPEAKER_00]: He had actually sent it to her to like watch a few times and make edits and she accidentally leaked it

[01:05:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Early and Derek was just thought it was funny and he's like, oh that's fine

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, could be worse. Yeah, so so I guess one question before we move off from doom. Is this the worst port of doom?

[01:05:52] [SPEAKER_00]: No, I still think the Saturn port is worse. Okay. I was gonna ask about that

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I've never played the Saturn version of doom so I have no

[01:06:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Reference I've played the Gameboy Advance port which is

[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_02]: surprisingly competent

[01:06:07] [SPEAKER_00]: That one's fine

[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't have it over here. I remember I had ordered a physical of it and a guy sent me a

[01:06:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Fake like a repro that he claimed he didn't know was a repro

[01:06:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I showed him like proof and everything and he gave me my money back and just let me keep the copy

[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So I still I still have it somewhere because I use it as sort of a frame of reference for a repro kind of thing

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And it I mean and the thing is with repro's they play just fine, but they don't save they have issues with saving

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because they don't have the same batteries

[01:06:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Well even that eat well because a lot of them the they don't have like chips for like the ROM

[01:06:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like an epoxy blob. So it's harder for those to like properly save data

[01:06:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Because yeah, you can either have the battery backup or a lot of later GBA games

[01:06:56] [SPEAKER_02]: They just had like the flash e-prom which is much easier to maintain

[01:07:01] [SPEAKER_02]: so

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I will say the only real reason I put the 3d o version above the Saturn

[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_00]: is

[01:07:09] [SPEAKER_00]: It's probably the soundtrack just because it is

[01:07:13] [SPEAKER_00]: entertaining

[01:07:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Because the Saturn port is just a port of the PlayStation version, but it runs like garbage

[01:07:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's really bad and the PlayStation 1 version runs fine, but there's some about it. There's just kind of off

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's another fun fact the PlayStation version was already out at the time to the Doom version came out

[01:07:33] [SPEAKER_00]: So it was just like it was like how can you fail it any harder? Oh God. Yeah, that's rough

[01:07:40] [SPEAKER_00]: You did mention earlier that Rebecca put the game completely the source code for it completely online

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_00]: There actually is a team of 3d o enthusiasts that are trying to finish it

[01:07:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Good for them and you know what if they ever do I'd like to play it

[01:07:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I would too I would too and yeah the the whole source code

[01:07:59] [SPEAKER_02]: It's on a github so if you guys know about github like github is where you can get like fan projects and ROMs and a lot of

[01:08:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Really cool pet projects exist on github. So it's a cool site to peruse to find some neat stuff

[01:08:12] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah

[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And before we move on

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Just for consistency sake must play okay stay away

[01:08:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Stay away

[01:08:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's doom doom is a must-play game

[01:08:24] [SPEAKER_02]: But it is but don't play this version

[01:08:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's the thing if you everybody watching this I guarantee you you have a better way of playing doom

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean hell the whole joke of can it run doom, right?

[01:08:36] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, if you have a modern console or a computer that's not a I mean even if it's a potato

[01:08:42] [SPEAKER_02]: It can probably run doom so play doom on your graphing calculator

[01:08:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you can play it on your smart watch. You can play on your smart fridge

[01:08:50] [SPEAKER_00]: You can play it on a digital camera from the two. Yeah, I love that. Yeah

[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, if you if you haven't played the original doom and you're listening to this

[01:09:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Do yourself a favor and play it it holds up way better than you think

[01:09:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah

[01:09:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Which for a first-person shooter from 93 that's very impressive like it's a it's a still a super a super fun game to play

[01:09:11] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's absolutely a must-play game, but this version. Yeah, don't bother

[01:09:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, most listen to the soundtrack if you can get past the nonsense, but um well I can I think with the soundtrack

[01:09:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Those those girls that he ended up molesting

[01:09:28] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, they were not alive when this happened

[01:09:30] [SPEAKER_00]: So that and keep in mind too like the other people in his band weren't involved

[01:09:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and they probably were of age so

[01:09:40] [SPEAKER_02]: So at least nothing was going on. I mean it's it's a whole thing. Yeah, it's just just uh

[01:09:46] [SPEAKER_00]: It's music at that point and just listen to the music and keep all that bullshit out of it

[01:09:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's not he's not making any money off of it. So I think it's okay

[01:09:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Especially now

[01:09:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. So you're good. Yeah, but the game itself. I'm gonna say stay this the 3d o version stay away

[01:10:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah doom is a must-play game love doom to death

[01:10:09] [SPEAKER_00]: All right, so the other game we're not we had enough depression

[01:10:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about family for you. All right. I'm gonna take the fucking reins here. Okay, so, you know family feud

[01:10:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep, good answer. Good answer. Okay, so family feud

[01:10:25] [SPEAKER_02]: The the famous game show where you have families and they all sit in the thing and then they're like, oh

[01:10:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, answer this survey a hundred people, you know, like

[01:10:35] [SPEAKER_02]: What what's the the first thing you do when you get home?

[01:10:38] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, take a shit number one answer, you know that kind of stuff

[01:10:42] [SPEAKER_02]: So there are quite a few family feud video games not as many as you'd think it's not as prolific as say

[01:10:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, like a wheel of fortune or jeopardy

[01:10:53] [SPEAKER_02]: As it feels like every console generation they have to make a new version of that

[01:10:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And hell I could do

[01:10:59] [SPEAKER_02]: A whole podcast talking about all the different versions of wheel of fortune and jeopardy

[01:11:03] [SPEAKER_02]: But we're not here. No 3do versions of those which is a damn shame

[01:11:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So as far as I know family feud is the only game show game on 3do. That's based on an actual game show that exists

[01:11:15] [SPEAKER_02]: so the the family so this is based on

[01:11:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's kind of its own thing really because it was developed by eurocom

[01:11:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, the the famous eurocom that doesn't exist anymore. They were known for a lot of really cool

[01:11:30] [SPEAKER_02]: AA stuff like they did uh the jungle book game on genesis at the time

[01:11:35] [SPEAKER_02]: They did like portable versions of earthworm gym

[01:11:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Made a couple spiro. They made a spiro game

[01:11:42] [SPEAKER_02]: As spiro they did the n64 version of world is not enough which is fantastic

[01:11:47] [SPEAKER_00]: They made all the good 007 games basically

[01:11:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, they did night fire. They they didn't do everything or nothing

[01:11:55] [SPEAKER_00]: No, they

[01:11:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Who the fuck did everything or nothing? I know the name of the studio. I just can't remember god

[01:12:01] [SPEAKER_02]: That's like one of my favorite games of all time. Who the fuck did that?

[01:12:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, ea red redwood visceral visceral

[01:12:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's right. The dead. Yeah the dead space boys. Um, my the my sim studio, of course

[01:12:14] [SPEAKER_02]: But eurocom. Oh, yeah, they did predator concrete jungle. That's a weird game

[01:12:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Um

[01:12:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And the last game they made was 007 legends for the we which was a terrible game anyways

[01:12:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, um, so yeah, they did this version of family feud

[01:12:30] [SPEAKER_02]: They also did the the pc and the genesis version and I actually played the genesis version on my genesis streams

[01:12:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So you can go to twitch.tv slash fact 94 or youtube.com slash fact 94 and watch me play through that

[01:12:44] [SPEAKER_02]: If you'd like

[01:12:45] [SPEAKER_02]: um, and yeah, the 3d o version is very much its own thing

[01:12:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's not a version of this game. I'd recommend like I think family feud

[01:12:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Translated to a video game doesn't

[01:12:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Work all that well like in a single player context

[01:13:02] [SPEAKER_02]: You know like jeopardy you can do by yourself because it's essentially a trivia

[01:13:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Wheel of fortune is essentially like hangman, you know, so you can make it work

[01:13:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Whereas family feud you need that like multiplayer thing like you need somebody else on the other side

[01:13:15] [SPEAKER_02]: um to make it work

[01:13:17] [SPEAKER_02]: because this version

[01:13:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I have some issue. I only played it on emulator so I don't know how it runs on original hardware

[01:13:25] [SPEAKER_02]: But the version here does not run very well

[01:13:27] [SPEAKER_02]: It could just be my end

[01:13:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure because it opens up with the menu and you know, select the menu you select your fmv family

[01:13:35] [SPEAKER_02]: There's like five of them

[01:13:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And then there's like I think I timed it was like an hour and a half or like not an hour and a half a minute and a half load screen

[01:13:43] [SPEAKER_02]: between selecting all the options and actually playing the game

[01:13:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And much like the super nintendo and genesis versions of family feud it opens with the bullseye round

[01:13:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Which was something they were doing around this time like the ray combs era

[01:13:56] [SPEAKER_02]: where

[01:13:58] [SPEAKER_02]: You would have every like member of the family go up for the bullseye and it's like oh guess the number one answer

[01:14:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And if you do you progressively get more money and that's what you play for in the fast money round

[01:14:10] [SPEAKER_02]: It didn't last for very long, but it was around enough when these games were being made

[01:14:15] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's kind of stuck with the canon unfortunately

[01:14:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's always great watching people play these versions of family feud and they're like what the fuck's his bullseye thing because nobody knows anymore

[01:14:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, but in the super nintendo genesis versions they allow you to turn it off if you want 3do

[01:14:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Nope you have to you have to fucking do it and turn it off. How do you do that?

[01:14:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly like it's it's very fmv heavy

[01:14:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, if I remember correctly the host he's not ray combs

[01:14:44] [SPEAKER_02]: He's not richard dawson because richard dawson came back for a short stint

[01:14:48] [SPEAKER_02]: um

[01:14:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And before I think who took over for him, um

[01:14:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember his name

[01:14:55] [SPEAKER_02]: He's like he's like a he's like a fat comedian like the fuck trying to remember his name

[01:15:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Hold on

[01:15:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I need I I don't know my family feud lore off the top of my head

[01:15:08] [SPEAKER_02]: You're not gonna edit this out. So I'll just keep talking louis anderson louis anderson

[01:15:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Like he did right after ray combs, I believe or the second dawson era

[01:15:16] [SPEAKER_02]: so so they get like a weird

[01:15:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Like kind of middle ground guy and it's like the voiceover is done by a guy named ron

[01:15:24] [SPEAKER_02]: but viewer

[01:15:26] [SPEAKER_02]: viewer

[01:15:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and then the guy that you see his name is wall foster

[01:15:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Which he sounds like a bass guitarist or something. That's a cool ass name the bit

[01:15:34] [SPEAKER_00]: I played to this he looked like generic tv host man basically

[01:15:38] [SPEAKER_02]: He does absolutely but he's got one of those like joker draws

[01:15:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Like he doesn't have character like our boy twink over at a twisted

[01:15:46] [SPEAKER_02]: No, he does not

[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Like this version of family feud is so plain

[01:15:51] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean? Like it's not the worst version. I was gonna say that

[01:15:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But then I remembered. Oh, there's the game boy advanced version

[01:15:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is it might as well be a fucking flash game on gba. Like that's how

[01:16:03] [SPEAKER_02]: That's how little effort is in that version

[01:16:05] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what this version reminded me kind of it kind of reminded me of like fifa where it's like it's just

[01:16:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Barely better than like what it's based off of but it's like not really anything special

[01:16:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, at least with fifa like the core of the gameplay like the soccer gameplay is still solid

[01:16:22] [SPEAKER_02]: So you're good whereas the family feud there's not really any gameplay. It's just trying to guess the stuff and

[01:16:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Playing older family feud games can be very difficult

[01:16:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Because they'll ask you questions and you're like wait a minute this you have to go back to the mindset of like 1993

[01:16:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so it can be it can be difficult and even putting this game on the easiest setting possible

[01:16:45] [SPEAKER_02]: The cpu kicks your fucking ass

[01:16:49] [SPEAKER_02]: It is insane how difficult this game is like you get no

[01:16:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Like leave way at all like you just you have to know it because there was one time there was a bunch of answers

[01:17:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I think it was like six or seven and I got the number one. I was like, oh, let me pass it

[01:17:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Because that's usually like a a a strategy in family feud

[01:17:10] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, oh, let me pass it make them maybe get a couple but they're not going to get them all

[01:17:16] [SPEAKER_02]: We can steal it and get all the points. They got every fucking answer

[01:17:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep, and that's even with like two strikes because if they don't know it, they'll just say pass, you know

[01:17:26] [SPEAKER_02]: So this game is way harder than it needs to be which makes it very unfun

[01:17:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know

[01:17:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Even though there is some charm to it because there's the f of the host. There's the f of the families

[01:17:38] [SPEAKER_02]: They're all like, you know, you have the the the white the other white

[01:17:42] [SPEAKER_02]: The the Asian the black family like you have all of those, you know, you got

[01:17:50] [SPEAKER_02]: One of them was called Sanchez and I'm like

[01:17:53] [SPEAKER_02]: They're just white like they don't look Latino, you know, but not not in the way where it's like

[01:17:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean some white people do look Latino, but you know what I mean, right?

[01:18:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it was that family the dude in the middle whenever he's clapping. He's just like

[01:18:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's on fucking cocaine

[01:18:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I guarantee you I love that guy Eurocom just like got people off the street and were like

[01:18:14] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll pay you some of money to act as a family

[01:18:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Because when you do the the fast money round

[01:18:21] [SPEAKER_02]: At the at the very end they do the close-ups

[01:18:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And oh now i'm looking at him. I'm like these are either the devs themselves

[01:18:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's friends or friends or family of the devs

[01:18:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Or they Tim and Eric did and just grabbed a random person off the street

[01:18:35] [SPEAKER_02]: They did not pay actors for this like maybe wall foster they paid because he maybe was more of an actor

[01:18:42] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, so they wanted that kind of credibility for the the host section potentially but

[01:18:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Everyone else it's like yeah, and on mobi games that like the families don't have any credits

[01:18:53] [SPEAKER_02]: at all so

[01:18:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean wall foster does his only credit is this game

[01:18:58] [SPEAKER_00]: So maybe it's like a recurring theme with 3do games like the

[01:19:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Random the randos to just kind of get pulled into these things like the twisted people the the station invasion through

[01:19:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Hell way of the warrior all those randos that they brought in

[01:19:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it you can tell it was a very wild wild west type of era

[01:19:20] [SPEAKER_00]: It's charming though in a way

[01:19:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, oh yeah, also like this has like a connection to a game tech as well because I think game tech published it

[01:19:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes

[01:19:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah because game tech was publishing basically all the game show games around this time

[01:19:35] [SPEAKER_02]: So like jeopardy wheel of fortune

[01:19:37] [SPEAKER_02]: If there was a price is right game it was probably them like they were publishing a lot of stuff

[01:19:42] [SPEAKER_00]: If you're racing games as well, I believe they did Nigel Nigel man cells racing on super nintendo

[01:19:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, they did um

[01:19:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Brutal paul's a fury they published that

[01:19:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Um classic concentration. So they don't exist anymore. I believe I believe you know

[01:19:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Game tech is one of those publishers that reminds me a lot

[01:20:03] [SPEAKER_00]: They remind me a lot of like age tech where like they were around for a while and then they just kind of disappeared one day

[01:20:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, and if you play a certain subset of video games like say I do

[01:20:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Then you're gonna see their name

[01:20:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Everywhere because yeah, they also did like press your luck hollywood squares double dare

[01:20:20] [SPEAKER_02]: All that stuff. Oh, they oh they published a quarantine on 3do

[01:20:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh

[01:20:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, shit. So we'll get to

[01:20:30] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll get to talk about them again in the future

[01:20:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and yeah, this is I mean, it's a version of family feud. I wouldn't recommend it

[01:20:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, it's still that era where they had the old like 70s like designs and everything

[01:20:43] [SPEAKER_02]: um

[01:20:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, hell if you watch family feud from this era like the ray combs era family feud is good

[01:20:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I like him as a host

[01:20:50] [SPEAKER_02]: He has a lot of like youthful energy and he's like cracking jokes and everything

[01:20:53] [SPEAKER_02]: You wouldn't think he blew his brains out

[01:20:58] [SPEAKER_02]: No fucking trigger warning there. He died he killed himself, but that's a whole other topic

[01:21:04] [SPEAKER_02]: um

[01:21:06] [SPEAKER_02]: so, yeah, um

[01:21:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I mean it's

[01:21:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I would just play I would I would play the super nintendo version of family feud if you want to play a version of it

[01:21:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the genesis version the sound is terrible. It's the same game

[01:21:21] [SPEAKER_02]: But they do not use that genesis sound ship well at all, but on super nintendo. It's perfectly fine

[01:21:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, there was that family few decades on the we which is

[01:21:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Probably more playable because it has like and it gives you more like modern questions and modern answers

[01:21:37] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think that's the most like recent version of family feud that's ever released. I think

[01:21:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Like there's not that many versions of it. Yeah

[01:21:45] [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's definitely the well like you said it's it's kind of one of the harder ones to really do as a game

[01:21:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I did see a lot of oh there is a version of family feud for ps4 xbox one and switch

[01:21:59] [SPEAKER_02]: It came out in november of 2020 which is probably why nobody noticed probably. Yeah

[01:22:04] [SPEAKER_02]: There was other there was other things going on at the time. Yeah, I'ma look this up on the xbox store real quick

[01:22:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I didn't notice going over reviews for the 3d o version a lot of people said the most fun way to play it

[01:22:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Was with other people probably turn the computer off

[01:22:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, because the computer. I swear it fucking cheats. It feels super unfair

[01:22:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and the general consensus I see online is most people are like it's family feud on 3d o

[01:22:34] [SPEAKER_02]: What else can I say? It's nothing special, but it's

[01:22:39] [SPEAKER_02]: like at least with the

[01:22:41] [SPEAKER_02]: The versions of like the family feud on say genesis or super Nintendo. There's something more to say

[01:22:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it has like better production value weirdly enough

[01:22:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Or say all the different versions of wheel of fortune in jeopardy like all those

[01:22:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Like various ports of those games. I think they're all kind of unique

[01:22:58] [SPEAKER_02]: You know and there's something to say even on like say the genesis when they would do like

[01:23:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Three versions of jeopardy like the regular version the deluxe version the sports version the kids version the

[01:23:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know the toilet version. I don't know

[01:23:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Like they all have something unique about them that makes them stand out whereas with family feud. I don't know how the hell you do that

[01:23:18] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I found it on here. It's published by ubi soft

[01:23:23] [SPEAKER_02]: You can get it with ubi soft plus

[01:23:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Which I will never do because

[01:23:28] [SPEAKER_02]: paying the same price as game pass just for ubi soft games is uh, no, thank you

[01:23:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Especially when their games

[01:23:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Become dirt cheap pretty quickly like I bought a copy of assassin's creed mirage the other day brand new for 30 bucks

[01:23:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like still shrink wrapped and everything so and then they take them away from you when they're done

[01:23:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And then for 30 bucks and for 30 bucks

[01:23:51] [SPEAKER_02]: You could buy this version of family feud which odd xbox out of 108 ratings has just under two and a half stars

[01:23:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh

[01:24:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Boy

[01:24:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Which apparently people are saying there's no online play or the online play is broken

[01:24:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and someone just asked for where is uh, steve harvey because they just use a generic white guy host

[01:24:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he's in the wee version. Uh, he's in the wee version. I know that is he

[01:24:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Does he host any other shows

[01:24:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, but no other like game shows. He has like his own like

[01:24:28] [SPEAKER_02]: daytime talk show which

[01:24:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean steve harvey's also if we're gonna talk about shit human being steve harvey's kind of shitty too

[01:24:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Not for the same reasons as the other guy, but

[01:24:38] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I I've seen I've I've heard some of this man's opinions on things and it rubbed me the wrong way

[01:24:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Real bad

[01:24:47] [SPEAKER_02]: That's one of those got you

[01:24:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Basically, he's one of those guys where he's like men and women can't be friends

[01:24:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh

[01:24:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which explains probably why he's had

[01:25:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Like three wives and uh each one he uh, he uh cheated on the next one with

[01:25:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah

[01:25:08] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I he does family feud. I mean he does some other stuff

[01:25:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But that's kind of what he's become known for these days. He started doing it and oh shit 2010. He's been doing it that long

[01:25:19] [SPEAKER_00]: God damn, there must have been another family feud game

[01:25:22] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not the wee version but uh because I remember seeing this horrifying model of him and I was like, oh my

[01:25:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there is a version of family feud on the wee

[01:25:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I just looked it up. It's not it wasn't what I was thinking of I

[01:25:35] [SPEAKER_00]: There is definitely a version of the game with him in it because I remember seeing this really horrifying model of him

[01:25:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh my they did not do him nice

[01:25:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, hold on could have been like the pc version or something

[01:25:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe

[01:25:49] [SPEAKER_02]: because there's a

[01:25:50] [SPEAKER_02]: slightly off topic there's a version of um

[01:25:53] [SPEAKER_02]: was it hell's kitchen

[01:25:55] [SPEAKER_02]: like there's a hell's kitchen game on pc and it has

[01:25:58] [SPEAKER_02]: a likeness of gordon ramsey that looks like his forehead is melting

[01:26:02] [SPEAKER_02]: onto his eyes

[01:26:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And it looks absolutely terrifying. Look guys, look that up hell's kitchen pc game like he's right on the cover and it's terrifying

[01:26:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I'll have to look it up at another time or either that. It's a fever dream or something

[01:26:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I'm trying to think I can't find a video game version of him in it. I can't

[01:26:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I might be thinking of something else

[01:26:25] [SPEAKER_02]: It's possible because it my guess is probably steve harvey owns the likeness to himself

[01:26:30] [SPEAKER_02]: So they would have to license that as well because because yeah like none of the family feuds

[01:26:36] [SPEAKER_02]: That have been released to feature the likenesses of their hosts

[01:26:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you know what? I might be thinking of um, I might be thinking of uh

[01:26:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Jeopardy and it was a really bad version of the jeopardy host never mind

[01:26:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Trebek yeah because trebek's been just about all of them

[01:26:50] [SPEAKER_02]: But trebek is usually pretty cool with that or at least he was pretty cool with that

[01:26:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, there's actually a really fascinating version of jeopardy on the cdi

[01:26:58] [SPEAKER_02]: That has like extensive fmv of trebek and he reads out like every clue

[01:27:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's like the production value on the cdi version of jeopardy is fascinating and it makes it

[01:27:11] [SPEAKER_02]: A hidden gem from that console like if you're curious about different versions of video game versions of jeopardy

[01:27:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Cdi is like a highlight on that console for sure

[01:27:21] [SPEAKER_02]: But but yeah, it could just be a case of like steve harvey doesn't want to use his likeness

[01:27:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I know the super nintendo and genesis versions of

[01:27:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Family feud like the hosts they have it looks like ray combs

[01:27:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it looks very similar. I don't think they use his name

[01:27:38] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's it's like close enough to where you're like that's probably ray combs if you know if you don't know

[01:27:43] [SPEAKER_02]: You'd just be like oh, it's just a host

[01:27:45] [SPEAKER_02]: You know

[01:27:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Because yeah, like richard karn was a host at one point. I remember that like alboran

[01:27:51] [SPEAKER_02]: A home improvement he hosted family feud for a couple years

[01:27:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, oh, yeah. Yep. It was the uh the ps3 version of jeopardy with that horrifying thing

[01:28:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, I have the 360 version. Yeah

[01:28:02] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I was thinking and we love fortune does the same thing with vanna and pat

[01:28:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a rare version. It's a rare version of wheel of fortune that has pat sajak

[01:28:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Most of them just about all of them have vanna

[01:28:13] [SPEAKER_02]: But like only a handful have pat which I don't know why and then you have these like

[01:28:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Modern versions of jeopardy and wheel of fortune like the ubisoft ones that like

[01:28:22] [SPEAKER_02]: That version of wheel of fortune just has two generic hosts in it

[01:28:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And then jeopardy doesn't even have a host

[01:28:28] [SPEAKER_02]: It's it's just like there's not even a set. It's just you look at the the board and answer the questions and everything

[01:28:35] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a very weird production value choice

[01:28:37] [SPEAKER_02]: My guess is cheap as possible

[01:28:40] [SPEAKER_02]: That sounds like ubisoft. Yeah, oh, and I totally forgot john o' hurley votes host family feud for a little bit for a short time

[01:28:49] [SPEAKER_02]: If you know john o hurley is

[01:28:57] [SPEAKER_02]: No

[01:28:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Honestly that awkward silence. I thought you froze for a second. No, I was thinking about it for a minute. I was just like

[01:29:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Nope

[01:29:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to think of what he's like

[01:29:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's the most thing he's known. He was in seinfeld a little bit

[01:29:15] [SPEAKER_02]: He was the original king neptune and sponge bob. Oh, okay

[01:29:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, and yeah, he votes he hosts the family feud for a little bit and then when steve harvey joined in it's like, yeah, that's the guy

[01:29:27] [SPEAKER_00]: This reminds me of like uh america's funniest home videos

[01:29:30] [SPEAKER_00]: How it was a bob sag it for like years and then there was those two hosts for like that period that nobody likes

[01:29:36] [SPEAKER_00]: And then they brought in tom bergeron. He was like the guy. I like tom

[01:29:40] [SPEAKER_02]: He also hosted hollywood squares for a little bit as well and and dancing with the stars

[01:29:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he seems like a nice guy

[01:29:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they got rid at least that that that's what I know

[01:29:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if he's done anything shitty that I don't know about

[01:29:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so. He's kind of like retired enough what it sounds like

[01:29:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like i mean richard dawson was great

[01:29:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Though watching the richard dawson era family feud now

[01:30:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I could see people cringing a little bit

[01:30:04] [SPEAKER_02]: It was just a different era because like dawson like literally kisses every lady on the lips

[01:30:09] [SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of weird. Yeah, that was a great time

[01:30:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Different era and I know dawson is just like he was just like he wasn't as far as I know

[01:30:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Nothing came out about him being like creepy or anything

[01:30:20] [SPEAKER_02]: so

[01:30:22] [SPEAKER_02]: As far as I know and yeah, ray com seemed like a real nice guy and I mean people like louis anderson

[01:30:27] [SPEAKER_02]: so

[01:30:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so

[01:30:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Must play okay. Stay away. I'm assuming just play a different version of family feud

[01:30:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean if you're curious enough go for it, but

[01:30:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I would say stay away. Yeah

[01:30:43] [SPEAKER_02]: It's it's not

[01:30:45] [SPEAKER_02]: As interesting as you would hope it would be, you know, like it would have been really cool if they had gotten say

[01:30:51] [SPEAKER_02]: FMV of either the show itself

[01:30:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Or like filmed new FMV of like say ray co-homes like going through the thing like that would have been cool

[01:30:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I would have liked that because remember when we did madden and madden had a lot of FMV of john himself

[01:31:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And then they like have that one crowd shot and they got the ref to do like all the signals

[01:31:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Like that stuff helps make that game interesting

[01:31:13] [SPEAKER_02]: But family feud this just doesn't have anything, you know

[01:31:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I can click I can I can definitively say this isn't

[01:31:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Euro comms best work. No, this is like the most like

[01:31:25] [SPEAKER_00]: They certainly made it kind of games

[01:31:28] [SPEAKER_02]: They they got a check

[01:31:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's not it's not bad in the inherent way where you like like doom 3do

[01:31:35] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just kind of like it exists. Like it's it's yeah, it's family feud on 3do

[01:31:41] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the best way to describe it. Yeah, it's it's it's fine for what it is

[01:31:47] [SPEAKER_02]: But uh, unless you are like dying to know it's like it's it's really just not worth any of your time

[01:31:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if you're gonna play a like a game show game on 3do, you're better off playing twisted at least twisted has

[01:32:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, yeah twisted is really fucking cool. It's a shame

[01:32:03] [SPEAKER_02]: We didn't get a version of wheel of fortune or jeopardy for this because it would have been really cool

[01:32:07] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a sega cd version of wheel of fortune that um, I kind of hate

[01:32:13] [SPEAKER_02]: But we could but that's for a another discussion. Yeah

[01:32:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh

[01:32:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that was an interesting experiment doing two games in one episode. It's really funny how like the first half was very

[01:32:28] [SPEAKER_00]: depressing

[01:32:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it was insanity and then just like ended on such a

[01:32:33] [SPEAKER_00]: wet fart basically

[01:32:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, I I appreciate how much you you care

[01:32:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the uh, I'm talking mostly about doom

[01:32:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah fair enough, uh, then we went to uh

[01:32:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Jeopardy, I mean

[01:32:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I only have my right game show family feud and I was just kind of like hey, it's fine. It was like

[01:32:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you could do a lot worse

[01:32:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm sure this isn't the worst game. You're a comms ever made

[01:33:03] [SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean that that double is having games pretty bad

[01:33:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, um legends move. Yeah

[01:33:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I mean they they did

[01:33:12] [SPEAKER_02]: The golden eye remake which I think is okay

[01:33:15] [SPEAKER_02]: It's fine. Yeah, it's fine. Um, they did the quantum of solace. Oh, they did the ps2 version of quantum of solace

[01:33:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I was actually done but the real game was done by tray ark

[01:33:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is that's a fascinating game

[01:33:27] [SPEAKER_02]: um

[01:33:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like I'm just looking through their

[01:33:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Their list of games and it's like yeah, like a lot of licensed stuff and like

[01:33:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Like franchises that have kind of fallen off a bit and they're like, hey, do you want to do it?

[01:33:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, yeah, sure. Why not and then in the middle?

[01:33:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they have a double a seven night fire

[01:33:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is one of the best games one of the best double a seven games ever made

[01:33:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, oh, they did crash bash

[01:33:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Yay

[01:33:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Hell yeah

[01:33:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Crash bash

[01:33:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, uh, they also

[01:33:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Spyro a hero's tale

[01:34:01] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a good game. I like that spyro game

[01:34:04] [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's very good, especially because considering you followed the fucking dubster fire

[01:34:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh god, yeah, and then anything would have looked good compared to that

[01:34:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. Yeah, and then oh, yeah, they didn't do the the legend series. Who did those

[01:34:19] [SPEAKER_00]: chrome studio

[01:34:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the first two the third one with some other company. Oh, yeah chrome. They did the Tasmanian tiger games

[01:34:28] [SPEAKER_00]: and jimmy neutron uh jeff fusion

[01:34:30] [SPEAKER_02]: and

[01:34:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And a game that I have way too much upon this for the the video game adaptation of that king arthur movie in the mid

[01:34:40] [SPEAKER_02]: 2000s

[01:34:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Starring clivo and his king arthur

[01:34:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, oh, fuck. What's her name as a guinevere the uh, the girl who looks like natalie portman, but isn't natalie portman

[01:34:52] [SPEAKER_02]: It couldn't tell you the fuck's her name. God damn it. She's like the british natalie portman

[01:34:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Goddamn it. Hold on. Hold on. Let me

[01:35:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Cure nightly. Yeah

[01:35:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes

[01:35:06] [SPEAKER_02]: She and

[01:35:09] [SPEAKER_02]: She's in phantom ennis

[01:35:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I knew that. Um, she's also wasn't she catwoman in like dark knight rises?

[01:35:17] [SPEAKER_02]: No, that was um

[01:35:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Anne hathaway

[01:35:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And I mixed these these all these ones up

[01:35:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah cure night. Cure nightly. She's done a lot of stuff, but not a lot of stuff. I know

[01:35:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just know the names, but I couldn't tell you what they were in

[01:35:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but yeah

[01:35:38] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah that that king arthur game for like the ps2 gameboy or gamecube

[01:35:43] [SPEAKER_02]: it's very much a

[01:35:45] [SPEAKER_02]: It reminds me a lot of the

[01:35:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Lord of the Rings games like two towers return of the king

[01:35:51] [SPEAKER_02]: um

[01:35:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Not as good obviously, but I have a I have a saucepot for it. It's metacritics like a

[01:35:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Like a like a high 50s and I'm like that's that's about right

[01:36:01] [SPEAKER_02]: But I like that game

[01:36:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I like I love the irony of like the shows where my priorities are

[01:36:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I can remember all of these like awesome female game devs, but I can't remember fucking actresses to sink my life

[01:36:13] [SPEAKER_02]: It just shows our priorities and yet chrome studio chrome studio still exists

[01:36:17] [SPEAKER_00]: They do they made a they made tie four and they just recently did the two uh

[01:36:22] [SPEAKER_00]: tie remasters

[01:36:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And oh there's a tie that has many in four

[01:36:26] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a 2d side scroller. It's not bad, but it's pretty unremarkable. I haven't played any of them

[01:36:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Two is never I've I've never played the tie series one and two were on xbox. So I would be willing to give them a try

[01:36:41] [SPEAKER_00]: You can play one one isn't bad two is an excellent game though. Okay. They're both like what 3d collectathon games. Yeah

[01:36:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I probably like them because I I remember like back in the day at the rental store

[01:36:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I saw them all the time. They were always there and I thought they were interesting, but I never rented them

[01:36:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Instead I rented iNinja

[01:37:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Fucking love iNinja still to this day the third one's kind of mad, but the first two particularly the second one is really good

[01:37:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I might go through maybe maybe during my um my witcher three phase. I may play some games in the middle of it

[01:37:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, and they were a apparently they were a support studio on hogwarts legacy

[01:37:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Good for them. Yeah, jk Rowling's back in the news

[01:37:26] [SPEAKER_00]: We won't go there at least avalanche made a good game. That's all I'll say

[01:37:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean it it looks like if if you care about like the hogwarts stuff and you wanted to play that game

[01:37:37] [SPEAKER_02]: You were probably happy with it. So i'm happy for you

[01:37:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't I don't care much about harry potter in general

[01:37:42] [SPEAKER_00]: But um my uh my buddy matt tells me that uh

[01:37:45] [SPEAKER_00]: He's him and his wife are very big and doing they said it's a good game. So I mean people were

[01:37:50] [SPEAKER_02]: People praised it the people who played it really liked it. So though I imagine the switch version is bad

[01:37:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, he was tell me it's not it's pretty it's serviceable

[01:38:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Fair enough like he said his wife enjoyed it fine. So

[01:38:04] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what matters

[01:38:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I do love the fact that they put it they put a

[01:38:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Go ahead

[01:38:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I was just gonna say I love the fact that they put a trans character right at the start

[01:38:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Right at the in the game right you know the beginning just as a middle finger to jk Rowling

[01:38:18] [SPEAKER_02]: They knew they knew

[01:38:23] [SPEAKER_02]: So so fun fact uh i ninja was done by argonaut games

[01:38:27] [SPEAKER_00]: What one of their final games I believe

[01:38:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, yeah, it's near the end. Um, but they also like they did the croc games

[01:38:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, they they helped out on the first star fox

[01:38:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And they had worked on star fox 2 as well

[01:38:43] [SPEAKER_02]: So despite them being defunct by the time star fox 2 came out they still got a credit for it

[01:38:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Yep, uh, well the one of the main guys who worked on that was dylan kothburn. He later formed q games

[01:38:56] [SPEAKER_00]: And q games famously worked on star fox command which is a great game with a shit story and um

[01:39:03] [SPEAKER_00]: The star fox 64 remake for 3ds

[01:39:07] [SPEAKER_02]: There you go

[01:39:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know what the last game argonaut studio has made before they went under wasn't it the bionicle game?

[01:39:14] [SPEAKER_02]: No, okay, so they did one after that. Oh, they did a couple bionicle was a yeah

[01:39:19] [SPEAKER_02]: They did a few more after that their their last game was the game based on the catwoman movie. Oh the catwoman game

[01:39:28] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not good, but it's got some interesting gameplay to it

[01:39:31] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a tad better than the movie which isn't saying much

[01:39:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I I remember playing it back in the day and being like this is garbage

[01:39:38] [SPEAKER_00]: And then I got it for like a dollar in a bargain, but it was like fuck it. Why not?

[01:39:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And I played I'm like this is actually isn't as bad as I remembered

[01:39:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, they oh they did the ps1 versions of like the philosopher stone and chamber secretary potter games

[01:39:51] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll bring it back around to that

[01:39:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, they did oh they did alien resurrection

[01:39:56] [SPEAKER_02]: So they pioneered first person shooters on console

[01:39:59] [SPEAKER_02]: hell yeah

[01:40:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Um

[01:40:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Buck bumble, which I love that name

[01:40:05] [SPEAKER_02]: um

[01:40:06] [SPEAKER_00]: You want to torture alex just play the fucking music from that game

[01:40:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I've heard the music from that game. Um, oh, yeah, they did stunt race fx

[01:40:15] [SPEAKER_02]: cool game

[01:40:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Now there are you not made some good stuff the fun fact croc was originally planned to be a yoshi platformer until nintendo

[01:40:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Basically said no

[01:40:24] [SPEAKER_02]: It makes way too much sense because i've tried playing it and I I despise it

[01:40:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, it's definitely a very you play croc and you're like yep. This is one of the first 3d platformers all right

[01:40:35] [SPEAKER_02]: It feels very pre mario 64

[01:40:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Even though it's better. It's better than bubzy 3d, but that's not saying a lot

[01:40:44] [SPEAKER_02]: No, that's saying nothing

[01:40:47] [SPEAKER_00]: It controls better that

[01:40:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Really about it. Yeah, but but but listeners at home. I highly recommend the game i ninja

[01:40:56] [SPEAKER_02]: It is really fun. Cool. You play as this little ninja and it's kind of like a mario 64 type game where you drop in these hub worlds

[01:41:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And you have these like levels that you do and you have have to do them

[01:41:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I think some of them you have to do more than once because they have different missions

[01:41:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And you have to get the scrolls to be able to like get to the next area

[01:41:13] [SPEAKER_02]: um

[01:41:14] [SPEAKER_02]: You have your sword and your variety of shuriken and there are like

[01:41:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Other things you can do like there's I think the first boss is like a mech fight which plays like um

[01:41:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Teller a boxer on virtual boy, which is kind of cool. Um, and there's like, you know, oh you get a turret defend the this this like

[01:41:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Beach from like from boats and shit like it's a really fucking cool game. I've always really liked

[01:41:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I've never beaten i ninja, but I've always really enjoyed it and apparently that cut apparently the cut scenes for were directed by don bluth

[01:41:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I just learned about that. I love don

[01:41:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, um

[01:41:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I ninja was always like one of those like ps2 era games that I'd always like kind of like lump together with like dr

[01:41:57] [SPEAKER_00]: mudo vex

[01:42:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Scaler uh with blash just all those games that were like they're really good games

[01:42:05] [SPEAKER_00]: But they just kind of all got like mixed together there

[01:42:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I totally get it's yeah, there was a lot of these like double a games in this era

[01:42:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Right that I think we took for granted back then because now I think we want more of those kind of games nowadays

[01:42:20] [SPEAKER_00]: So I would say like vudu vince like that is one of my favorite platformers like ever and that was completely overlooked when it came out

[01:42:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah

[01:42:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there was a lot of like hidden gems from this era and i ninja is one

[01:42:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I think all of us who grew up in this era have like that one double a like me

[01:42:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It's i ninja you'd be vudu vince where it's like nobody played this game except me and I fucking loved it

[01:42:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And and i ninja is kind of an annoying character, but I like it

[01:42:47] [SPEAKER_02]: You know because he like he gets into like a furious rage and kills his master

[01:42:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and so the ghost of his master is like helping him everywhere, you know

[01:42:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's yeah, he's trying not to die again. You know, he just says a lot of weird shit, but

[01:43:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I love that game. It oozes charm

[01:43:04] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like that or like ape escape 3 like to me is another one from that era that I just like i'll defend till like the end

[01:43:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[01:43:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then around that time I I think I tried playing vex once I don't recommend vex no vex is

[01:43:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Good old uh good old a guy game guy

[01:43:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well that was like a claim being like shit. We have to make a new ip

[01:43:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, uh this and it was very haphazard get the turrox studio. They can do it

[01:43:33] [SPEAKER_02]: They could they could do a character platformer

[01:43:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean technically they

[01:43:38] [SPEAKER_00]: They started doing that because they did uh era of the acrobat

[01:43:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that game's not great either

[01:43:44] [SPEAKER_00]: trickmots

[01:43:46] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not it's really it was designed by the same guy that designed the guy game. So let's uh, let's remember that

[01:43:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Who also founded retro studios?

[01:43:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it all comes back around. Yeah

[01:44:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, but yeah, so this was an interesting one we had um

[01:44:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I think next week we said we're gonna do bio fury. Yeah, let's do bio fury

[01:44:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's talk about the newest 3do game

[01:44:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I think at the time there might have been a newer one since then well probably probably the newest that's been officially released

[01:44:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes

[01:44:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Um and yeah so far i'm really enjoying it. So i'm looking forward to call covering that one

[01:44:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if anyone out there has a way to get in contact with the dev of this guy

[01:44:31] [SPEAKER_02]: The dev of this game. I think his name is retro love letter online

[01:44:34] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a way to get in contact with him. Please let us know because

[01:44:38] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it would also be nice to like send him this later so he can watch it

[01:44:43] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah

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[01:45:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep, and I uh earlier in the week

[01:45:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I did a special stream where I just played beyond oasis since I have some free time

[01:45:25] [SPEAKER_02]: The vod for that is up on youtube. So my youtube at a thrac 94 you can watch it. That's right there. So

[01:45:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Watch that one as well because beyond oasis is a fantastic game

[01:45:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And I will include all the links down below and with that everybody we will see you all later

[01:45:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Bye-bye

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[01:45:54] [SPEAKER_01]: What are you playing with?