The 3DO Experience - Episode 30: Plumbers Don't Wear Ties: A True 3DO Experience!

[00:00:00] Have you experienced there was some power of the Panasonic Reel 3DO system? Obviously.

[00:00:06] Presenting the 3DO, the most advanced home gaming system in the universe, it's time to put away your toys.

[00:00:17] 3DO, from Panasonic Gold Star and Creative Labs, Anural Pice and 3DOS.

[00:00:23] Thanks for having me, Patrick, the Panasonic Reel 3DO.

[00:00:29] 3DO.

[00:00:37] Hello everybody and welcome back to the 3DO Experience, the 3DO Retrospective Podcast where we talk about the 3DO company, the console and everything in between.

[00:00:45] I am Bill and this is Thrak, how you do it, Thrak?

[00:00:48] Oh, I'm doing just fine, Bill. How are you doing?

[00:00:52] Well, aside from getting stranded at my work because my battery died in my car, I'm doing okay.

[00:00:59] No one offered to drive you?

[00:01:02] No, I had to go find one of my co-workers, one of the second shift guys and see if he'd jump my battery which he did.

[00:01:08] It was very nice of him.

[00:01:09] That was good, that's good at least.

[00:01:12] Yeah, I'm still working on Infinite Well, I know Shocker but I'm near the end so I'm kind of tunneling vision, tunnel visioning towards that.

[00:01:21] At the moment and this will be for Aaron from Super Pod.

[00:01:26] I'm drinking a root beer, drinking a mug root beer.

[00:01:29] So that might be a hint at something me and him are doing in the future.

[00:01:36] Good old mug.

[00:01:39] I like mug, mug's good.

[00:01:41] I was always I haven't drank root beer in a long time but I was always like a barks kind of guy.

[00:01:46] Barks is good but what I like about all the root beers, we won't get too deep in this.

[00:01:51] What I like is they all taste, they all have something different about them.

[00:01:55] They're all kind of unique.

[00:01:56] Like you know what a root beer is but they all have some variation which I appreciate so it makes them more interesting to kind of try.

[00:02:06] Yeah, I just like barks because it had caffeine that was like really the thing.

[00:02:11] And it was definitely had the most no pun intended, the most bark out of all of them.

[00:02:17] You know what I mean?

[00:02:18] Yeah.

[00:02:19] Like it has kind of that like Coca Cola bite to it, you know which is funny because Coke didn't make them originally.

[00:02:26] They're originally their own thing and then Coke bought them I think it was like in the 90s or something.

[00:02:31] Yeah.

[00:02:32] But we're not here to talk about carbonated beverages.

[00:02:35] We are here to talk about this fucker right here for the audio listeners.

[00:02:42] It's finally time to talk about plumbers don't wear ties.

[00:02:47] Bill has the original and the definitive edition, I have the definitive edition so that'll probably be what we're mostly covering.

[00:02:55] We'll probably talk about the game itself and then we'll go into detail about the remaster definitive edition or whatever.

[00:03:05] And if you're watching this, you maybe have a hint of what I think about this but if you're listening stay tuned.

[00:03:15] Yeah, I will prep us before we start though.

[00:03:18] Everything in the original is in the definitive edition for the most part there's like one thing.

[00:03:27] There's like one major quote unquote thing that's missing which I think is probably for the best that they did that.

[00:03:38] Any other minor things, I'm sure you'll point out and we might even talk a little bit about that lost PC version as well.

[00:03:45] So there are aspects of that lost PC version that are in this version I will mention it when we get to it.

[00:03:52] I will say before we start though, I really like this cover of the like little anime cover.

[00:04:00] Yeah, it's cute like it's more interesting than the reversible actual cover which is.

[00:04:08] It's funny but at the same time it's like a little.

[00:04:12] I don't know why call me weird.

[00:04:15] You're into John playing his plunger.

[00:04:19] There is something about that picture that I find very.

[00:04:24] I don't know in time, I don't know there's something about that picture that's like that's the one they chose to be the front.

[00:04:33] Oh yeah, and my favorite part too is the way I discovered how to do how to remove the sensor just for a little.

[00:04:43] A little sneak peek inside the original version I have someone actually wrote the code right on the thing.

[00:04:51] I true homie if there ever was one so for the longest time I didn't know what that was and I was just like what what is this shit and then I was doing research and like oh that's the nude code.

[00:05:02] And heavy quotes.

[00:05:05] Yeah, and then as we mentioned with the PC version the cover for that is very play it looks like a fighting game you know for those who haven't seen the PC cover of it in fact few type if you look at plumbers don't

[00:05:19] have a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:05:22] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:05:25] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:05:28] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:05:31] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:05:34] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:05:37] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:05:39] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:05:42] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:05:44] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:05:46] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:05:48] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:05:51] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:05:54] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:05:57] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:05:59] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:06:01] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:06:03] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:06:05] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:06:07] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:06:09] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:06:12] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:06:15] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:06:18] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:06:20] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:06:22] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:06:24] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:06:26] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:06:28] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:06:30] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:06:33] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:06:36] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:06:39] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:06:41] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:06:43] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:06:45] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:06:47] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:06:49] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:06:51] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:06:54] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:06:57] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:07:00] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:07:02] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:07:04] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:07:06] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:07:08] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:07:10] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:07:12] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:07:15] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:07:18] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:07:21] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:07:23] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:07:25] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:07:27] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:07:29] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:07:30] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:07:31] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:07:34] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:07:37] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:07:39] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:07:41] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:07:43] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:07:45] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:07:47] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:07:49] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:07:50] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:07:53] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:07:56] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:07:58] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:08:00] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:08:02] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:08:03] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:08:05] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:08:06] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:08:07] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:08:10] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:08:12] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:08:13] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:08:15] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:08:16] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:08:17] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:08:18] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:08:19] And then you know, I don't know if there's a lot of time to talk about that.

[00:08:20] I don't know if any of my three year games have any SRB rating.

[00:08:23] They might there are a few because I've seen them, but I'm okay.

[00:08:27] I'm not sure if I have any.

[00:08:29] I'll I'll look and let Bill know off camera.

[00:08:33] Yeah, I believe that there are a few of the later ones did.

[00:08:37] But for the most part, the 3DO company used its own weird rating system.

[00:08:41] Yeah, Sega had one too.

[00:08:44] And Sega was basically just the ESRB with different letters.

[00:08:49] Yeah, basically.

[00:08:51] And there's predated the ESRB.

[00:08:53] In fact, according to Wikipedia, the ESRB was formed September 16th, 1994.

[00:08:58] Yes.

[00:08:59] Damn, I was alive like I was born within a couple of weeks of the ESRB being formed.

[00:09:05] That's how old I am.

[00:09:07] And it's funny because because this game was re-released obviously didn't have a rating initially.

[00:09:12] It actually had to be rated and it finally did get its em rating.

[00:09:16] So yeah, which we all knew it would get.

[00:09:19] Like I think if this if it was in motion, I don't think it would have gotten an a o like nothing about this game screams a o to me.

[00:09:27] Nothing.

[00:09:28] No, honestly the nudity on the back that's kind of borderline because we'll get into it later, but technically not really in this version.

[00:09:38] I mean, there. I mean, even if you take out the sensor code, there is but it's nothing that bad.

[00:09:45] Like it's nothing that you wouldn't see in like a PG 13 movie.

[00:09:49] Honestly, I think I think there's one specific scene that kind of the reason why they gave this an M because for the most part, this is borderline T in a lot of cases.

[00:09:59] Yeah, I mean, if anything, I could look up the game on the ESRB's website which actually one thing about the ESRB's website is they have nice detailed write ups on every game they rate.

[00:10:14] And they and they give you like, oh, this is why I kind of think so there you go.

[00:10:20] Let's see the game.

[00:10:24] Yeah, it gives you a little rating summary of why it is the way that it is.

[00:10:30] Yes, which I don't know how many people read that stuff but it's there if you want it.

[00:10:36] So it's nice that they put it, it's available so yeah, yeah, the ESRB is its own thing entirely.

[00:10:46] But yeah, we're finally here guys.

[00:10:49] Yeah, the one that we basically been hyping up since this show started.

[00:10:55] So I guess going into a little bit of the game's development history.

[00:10:59] This game was the sole production of United Pictures.

[00:11:03] That's pictures spelled with an X so cool.

[00:11:09] You don't even see their logo in the 3d version.

[00:11:12] It's only present in the PC original.

[00:11:14] Yeah, because for the 3d version, the rights of it were bought by Kirin Entertainment.

[00:11:22] Yes, it's like the weird logo you see at the start of the 3d version.

[00:11:26] And then of course a couple years later, many years later, limited run games bought it from them.

[00:11:33] And so now limited run games owns this game entirely.

[00:11:37] Yeah, Kirin Entertainment there's their logo there.

[00:11:41] Yeah, the weird like sheet metal thing.

[00:11:44] I don't know, weird design.

[00:11:46] I did like very 90s a lot of 90s logos had that like metallic sheet metal thing, you know, like I remember raw WF raw back in the day had that kind of metal factory type of intro for a little bit, you know some with that.

[00:12:03] I don't know.

[00:12:04] Yeah, interestingly like it's only present in the 3d version because that was the only version Kirin published, but there's a whole introduction screen that plays like right before the opening scene with the

[00:12:18] Geneva son basically introducing players to the game.

[00:12:21] But it's got like this really 90s like background music and it just kind of like pops in the screen.

[00:12:26] It's like Kirin Entertainment.

[00:12:28] Oh yeah, doesn't it start? It's like spiraled and then on the spirals itself. Yeah, like a like a video toaster effect.

[00:12:35] Yeah, there's a there's a choice in this game that's pretty amusing where it's not in the definitive edition because Kirin is no longer involved but one of the points if you end up in one of the bad endings.

[00:12:47] One of the options is you can go back to one of the previous choices, but the other option is hey that Kirin Entertainment logo was pretty cool and you can click on that and go right back to the title screen.

[00:12:59] And it's like okay, that is a very strange choice.

[00:13:05] One interesting thing is when this kind of goes into like how limited run got the rights but apparently in the behind the scenes stuff.

[00:13:13] When they were trying to track down the actual rights holders to this game, they looked up Kirin Entertainment's last down address and apparently when they sent out their letters like a request.

[00:13:24] The address that was listed was just some abandoned like plot of land on the side of a road that went.

[00:13:31] Yeah, if I remember he the CEO of limited run, he like cold emailed or like yeah, cold email to one of the dudes.

[00:13:41] I think it was Michael Anderson is Michael Anderson himself. Yeah, and Anderson was like, I can't believe people actually know about this game what what like he was shocked.

[00:13:50] And that through a little bit of conversation they worked it out and then they bought it.

[00:13:55] I'm really bummed that he's like not involved at all because he's honestly the person I'm most interested in.

[00:14:01] Yeah, and it's surprising to me that he's not involved in this in any sort of major way.

[00:14:08] I mean, I mean, he was involved in like selling off the rights and limited run probably gone contact with them to get any content that he still owned of the game which you probably still had.

[00:14:19] So they had to get it from they had to get like the source code from somewhere and it might have been from him for all we know.

[00:14:25] But they don't but again, one of my issues they don't really go into that much detail about it.

[00:14:30] No, they really don't like most of the information we learn and I'll say like my favorite part of the entire definitive edition is the commentary track with Jeannie Besson because she basically gives.

[00:14:44] Most of the information that I learned during the my experience with the definitive edition.

[00:14:52] Yeah, yeah we can go into that later on so we should probably talk about the game itself.

[00:14:59] Yeah, so most people know this game famously from the angry video game nerd episode which essentially popularized it in the general.

[00:15:08] The general known basically.

[00:15:12] And the game itself calling it a game is very generous at times because it is a quote unquote full motion video game that doesn't have that only has like a little full motion video like by that I mean just an opposite cutscene.

[00:15:29] The rest of it is all still images and in a slideshow manner and it uses a lot of really 90s filters and like effects that date this game horrendously in the best way possible in my honest opinion.

[00:15:48] It's very much it's very much a relic of the 90s like I forget who said this but somebody said if you want if you want to get a good idea.

[00:15:57] Of what like the style was or what was invoked at the time for like a certain era you don't look at the best stuff you look at the worst stuff and like that's kind of what's going on you know because the best stuff always transcends that and is just really good.

[00:16:13] And if you like like with music, you know, if you want to know what was going on say in 1986 you don't look at the best albums from 86 you look at the worst albums like that's what was going on.

[00:16:25] Yeah honestly and the game is very weird about how it works like there is a score meter that literally means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

[00:16:38] It feels like it's a joke.

[00:16:41] Considering the the fuck up that they left in towards the end of the game I think it kind of was.

[00:16:48] But the main issue with the whole idea of it being a joke is there's no punchline like what is the joke right like it's it's very light and because it's the best way I could describe this game I was thinking about the other day have you ever seen the movie Freddy got fingered.

[00:17:07] I've heard of it I've never watched it personal.

[00:17:10] Okay okay folks it's not a porno it is the infamous Tom Green movie made in 2001 right there's been a million YouTube videos about it I won't go into too much detail but basically that movie is like this weird

[00:17:26] like comedy like gross out comedy that I think was trying to parody all the other gross out comedies of time but it feels like it kind of missed the mark.

[00:17:36] But later on nowadays it has a reputation of being almost like neo surrealist art or something like there's something kind of weirdly metaphorical about the whole thing right.

[00:17:53] There's a great Roger Ebert quote about this movie at the time where I think he said the day may come where people will see this as a product of neo surrealism but the day will never come when people see it is funny, which I think is a great quote.

[00:18:08] I mean it's a weird movie and this game feels very similar to that it's like this weird trying to be a joke but in trying to be a joke it becomes a piece of like surrealism and that's what this game feels like especially in the 90s surrealism was all the rage.

[00:18:26] But I would but Rich Evans from red letter media coin this term neos a commercial surrealism where like if you look back in the 90s there's a lot of like weird like camera angles and just try like just trying to do weird shit just for the sake of being weird.

[00:18:42] But there's like there's no artistry behind it so it doesn't mean anything and this game kind of feels like that like it's just being weird because it's just like a pet project from some guy who like made a bunch of money and cashed out and just wanted to fuck around and just do whatever like props to him for getting it out right.

[00:19:03] And judging it purely as a product is a video game it's absolutely terrible but if you look at it beyond that if we want to go into the whole video games or art conversation this game kind of his art.

[00:19:20] Honestly like when I was sharing around that I was playing this for the episode I got some people being like why are you torturing yourself like that.

[00:19:29] I'm like I don't know what you guys are talking about this is great just like just like it's one of those things where like the more you stare at it the more you're just like like they legitimately thought this was good and it's so fun.

[00:19:41] I don't know if they did I genuinely don't think so from the way that they describe it like they had a great time do I mean maybe not they didn't think it was good but like they had a great time making it is a better way of raising that yeah and and that comes off from like playing the game you know like if you observe the pictures it's like oh yeah they're just fucking around just having a fun time you know it's not meant to be taken that seriously.

[00:20:09] And it never it never like broaches that line of like trying to be something serious it doesn't come off serious at all but if it's trying to be funny or like you know like kind of silly like sure but as I said before like I don't know what the joke is like is there.

[00:20:30] Is there something they're trying to say or is it just like oh just or is it like totes low random like 2010s YouTube humor where it's like oh it's funny that I said this out of the blue ha ha you know I'm not sure and I think that's what fascinates most people about this game is that they still haven't been able to pin down what this really is you know like people often compare this game to the room.

[00:20:58] And other movie reference the room which is also a horrible film but is amazing it is fucking awesome but we know the whole premise behind it and that's Tommy was so was trying to make a serious film he just was completely incapable of doing it so it comes out as like this comedic masterpiece.

[00:21:18] And Tommy has tried to say that he meant for it to be that way which is totally not true especially when we've seen him try to do comedy like intentionally and it just doesn't hit at all but like this is so much more fascinating than the room because even with this definitive edition I still have questions.

[00:21:38] Because so there are four major actors in this game the main character john he is played by Edward J Fasulo but he's credited as Edward J forster in game.

[00:21:58] The most we know about him is that he was a model that they managed to get and I and I imagine his like slight name change is something that happens a lot in Hollywood where say like their last name or their name is a little too ethnic.

[00:22:15] I'm using quotes on that so they try to like you know anglicized their name a little bit so that it looks nicer which is probably what he was doing yeah he was somewhat involved with the game.

[00:22:27] And he helped in the production of the definitive edition not majorly because he doesn't appear in any of the behind the scenes but damn shame and absolutely travesty.

[00:22:38] But he did I guess we'll get into it when we talk about the AI upscaling but he had to provide photos for the AI to work properly so he was at least contacted yeah they had contact with him you know and they mention it in some of the bonus features in the remaster like talking to him and all the

[00:22:57] stuff and they even mention that they were going to bring him in to interview him yeah because they went talking to a genie bass on they mentioned that they're going to do the same thing with Edward but it just never happened unfortunately he probably scheduling conflicts or just never hand out.

[00:23:14] I wouldn't be surprised if sometime in the future we hear why I wouldn't be surprised yeah but speaking of a genie bass on the arguably the most well known person in this game.

[00:23:27] She was from the glow gorgeous ladies of wrestling she was Hollywood.

[00:23:35] Yep, she was one of the original yeah she's one of the original wrestlers in glow she was there all four seasons and I believe in the glow TV show I'd have to it's been a while since I watched it because I loved that show and I was so pissed when Netflix just took it down

[00:23:53] because they were about to film their final season for it but then COVID happened so they you know canceled the filming and then they just went up and canceled the entire show in their last season

[00:24:04] and that upset a lot of people including myself because I thought it was a fantastic show is the same writers as oranges and new black

[00:24:11] and yeah and it was like setting itself I was four seasons they're just going to do the fourth and end it you know and we still haven't heard a thing since then which really really fucking I don't think it'll ever get done again but it really really sucks.

[00:24:28] And yeah looking at the cast for that show there's no directly named Hollywood character that probably is a character here that I mean all of them are kind of inspired by the original glow can you see that?

[00:24:41] Because that show happened roughly around the same time a documentary about the real glow came out as well and both are definitely recommended in my opinion.

[00:24:50] So yeah apparently her the way she ended up in this game is she did it as a favor to Michael Anderson who was a frequent patron of the bar that she worked out where she was an erotic dancer I believe at the time.

[00:25:05] Yeah they did this thing called lingerie lunch yeah which is really weird.

[00:25:12] Cal Hollywood 90s different time man it's still prevalent but not nearly as much as it was back then I wouldn't be surprised if that stuff still happens but you know I'm a Midwest dude you're like a northeast dude so our life experiences doesn't really intersect with this.

[00:25:32] No the closest I've seen to that is when I was at going to a concert at a casino and we were walking out in that it was after midnight so that's when the bar saw became a top of dancing and I remember looking over and be like oh look at that.

[00:25:47] And just get walking.

[00:25:49] There is something about seeing you know just topless boobs out in the open where you're not expecting it you know you're like whoa wait whoa what the worst part is like holy shit.

[00:26:01] The worst part was it was the reason I noticed because I was with my mom and Alex and my mom just looks over and goes oh my and just looks so bad of course of course I had to look at that.

[00:26:12] I'm not answer that's a German answer but of course I had to look and I was just like whoa look at that.

[00:26:19] Like I'll be back in like 10 minutes.

[00:26:22] I was so tired from the concert but anymore now anymore.

[00:26:27] Going back to the actors though the third major actor was the actor that played the rest of the most commercial character Paul were so.

[00:26:42] It's apparently pronounced poker he I believe has sadly passed on.

[00:26:50] I'm surprised according to gene he was like a lovely dude like they were friends and everything.

[00:26:55] She's the one that got him the part because they had worked together in previous filming opportunities.

[00:27:00] Apparently she jokes saying that he fit the role perfectly but then she immediately Paul she's like I'm sorry I'm sorry Paul you're a very nice man.

[00:27:08] I think she was saying like visually he has the look of like a weird sleazy boss and he does yeah he absolutely fits that part you know I think he's arguably out of the four performers he nails his part the best like he very hands it up a lot.

[00:27:23] It seems like he has the best acting shops because I know gene had done acting but as she would self proclaim in the interview she's more of like stunt woman and still does like pro wrestling and all that kind of stuff and.

[00:27:35] Yeah and what she had an Edward was a model and you know models aren't really known for their acting experience.

[00:27:42] Well, apparently unless you're James Bond so apparently according to a genie like apparently he came off Edward came off as if he was apparently very nice as well he came off as a little bit too much of a good boy though at times.

[00:27:59] I kind of see it because he doesn't do anything that crazy you know it feels like Paul and Jean are doing the more kind of like out there stuff and Edward like the most we ever see is like you know if you put in the code you can see his ass if you really want to see that yeah outside of that there's nothing but those just look like modeling shots you know what I mean.

[00:28:23] My favorite scene of Edward is the scene before the the the inner the job interview where they're him and Jane first meet by the bike and like they're they constantly cut out cut to the scene of like Edward just standing there staring off into space and he's got that doofiest look on his face and I'm like they use that scene multiple times.

[00:28:43] Yeah, that's such a good shot. I love that shot my favorite scene with him is when I think it's if he doesn't go after Jane or whatever when she is running out of the office like thresher will come up and they in just like romance him.

[00:29:00] And then they just like walk up into a parking lot holding hands is like fuck.

[00:29:05] That's very bizarre but I like that that was always funny to me.

[00:29:09] One of my favorites is if you have John make the first move and then you have him pursue like he'll give her flowers and like build exchange numbers and then he jumps up in the air and this like hooray posts which is amazing because very Mario, very Mario.

[00:29:27] They took like 12 shots but like in a couple of them you can see a genie standing in the background just staring at a wall and she commented saying like I thought I was outside of the shot so i'm just standing there.

[00:29:40] Oh my god it was such a rag tag thing because they said they would do it like on Sundays.

[00:29:47] Which is how they apparently think about the office because that's where the manage like the manager was a friend of Michael Anderson who is also.

[00:29:56] We forgot to mention he's the narrator so he's the guy in the suit the flip flops chicken hat that's him yeah he's also a James dad.

[00:30:06] That's true that's true which they do a good job of making it not look like it would be him because you don't get that many shots of them but when somebody pointed out to me i'm like oh yeah totally.

[00:30:17] The voice gives it away like once you notice you're like oh yeah yeah yeah.

[00:30:21] You know my favorite.

[00:30:22] Yeah yeah I'm gonna stick and make some babies for your poor old father.

[00:30:25] Yeah yeah that whole line is so cringe in the best way possible.

[00:30:30] My favorite is if you look at the table it's loaded with booze but if you look really close one of the bottles is Dreno it's like what.

[00:30:37] Yeah like there's like Tabasco sauce on there as well like it's like they just grabbed all the bottles they they just had just threw up on there yeah it's pretty funny stuff and then oh yeah the final actor is well of the main cast is what's her name.

[00:30:53] I

[00:30:56] She's the female in the karate suit.

[00:30:58] Oh the other the other narrator who shows up and then she dies see she's so important to plot that she's not even credited.

[00:31:08] I thought she was let me check the bonus manual that came with the definitive edition maybe it includes yeah sadly I don't have a physical everybody.

[00:31:19] Yeah the Xbox one is hard to find at the moment I haven't seen a copy of it anywhere.

[00:31:24] I've all only heard this box on it like like nobody's bought it to scout that either which is fascinating.

[00:31:31] Ah she's not even.

[00:31:37] So there's a few names in here oh it's a thiram.

[00:31:41] Thiram.

[00:31:43] That's that's a name that's a fucking name.

[00:31:46] That's a my guess because I remember that name popping up over her in the ending credits they credited everybody.

[00:31:54] Yeah I'll take your word for it yeah I'm seeing every other copy every other version of plumbers on eBay except for the Xbox version.

[00:32:05] I think it's either delayed or it's it's just impossible to find at the moment.

[00:32:09] And that you know what that's true it may not even be available it may not be shipped yet I don't know.

[00:32:15] Hmm.

[00:32:18] Going back to the game though it honestly the best way to describe this game they mentioned a few times in like the behind the scene stuff but it's kind of a visual novel in sense.

[00:32:31] I feel like it's being very generous to call it that but I don't have that much experience in the visual novel by genre I know you do you freak so.

[00:32:42] It what does it qualify do you think.

[00:32:47] Okay it's a very basic visual novel in a sense because it really is just you watch stuff happen and you make choices occasionally it's a very.

[00:32:56] About his bare bones of a visual novel as it gets um I.

[00:33:01] I think it's borderline yeah but if I were saying to compare this to the only other visual novel that I've played a dokey dokey literature club.

[00:33:11] Um it comparing these two games is completely apples and oranges but with that game there's definitely more going on like visually and with like the storytelling and like the gameplay obviously isn't there I mean it's kind of there.

[00:33:29] See that because you have that little mini game for you like words but so.

[00:33:35] The only reason dokey dokey's more interesting is because that game is literally programmed to fall apart and it actually the whole point is you're supposed to look into the code and the code does weird shit.

[00:33:45] Yeah yeah that game is fascinating from a completely different.

[00:33:49] Point of view or from clearly the way that this game is but those are like the only two visual novels that I've played so sorry everybody I've been played Silent Hill one the GBA visual novel port.

[00:34:01] Yeah what I find very interesting in plumbers to is like the scenes there are a lot of different scenes that you can discover throughout this game like to me one of the most bizarre is during the Jane and John first meeting if you pick the.

[00:34:21] Make the meeting wait it all the sudden like cuts to these two complete like four different actors that have nothing to do with the plot like yeah and I think in the bonus features they mentioned I think they mentioned they were either just like.

[00:34:37] Random people or like I forget how they came up like I think one of them had some acting experience they all might say.

[00:34:45] Friends of the crew or something like that you know they come off as like it almost comes off like a Tim and Eric sketch you know what they would just grab random people off the street and put them in their sketches you know it has that feeling to it.

[00:34:58] The only one that I know was apparently was a friend of a genie was a Giovanni Ferraris he was the the long hair gentleman that got neat in the balls.

[00:35:12] Oh okay yeah.

[00:35:16] Other than that though the rest of them are just like there's like the nerdy guy with like the pocket knife that tries to stab the girl in the broad one point yeah remember him.

[00:35:25] It's crazy because that whole thing happens and then it immediately just like goes back to like pick the different ending you fucked up but it's like okay yeah it's just a random tangent for completely no reason.

[00:35:39] Yeah it's literally just like the whole no you have to pick one of the options of them meeting you can't just not have the meat.

[00:35:48] Or at least I think or I think if they didn't want him to meet they could have chose something much more interesting to happen but yeah.

[00:35:56] My favorite two is when you pick a wrong answer which i'm pretty sure they're all wrong in somewhere another.

[00:36:02] But you can finish this game with a positive score I think it's unperishable i'm pretty sure it's designed to go down no matter what.

[00:36:10] Yeah but whenever you pick a wrong answer it cuts to the narrator who's played by Michael Anderson and he is like constantly in more and more deranged outfits like well I mean first off his his outfit is amazing because it's a it's a stripe suit with like a golden bow tie and flip flops yeah and it's like purple as well and um and he has like the hand.

[00:36:31] Hat like the trucker hat and the sunglasses I think the first time you see him he's on that bench hanging out with that statue of Ben Franklin statue yeah.

[00:36:40] Ben Franklin of all people which is more fitting than it should be you know if you've read into to his his adventures.

[00:36:49] Apparently the um those shots of him standing in front of that weird like a business that's actually the the bar that he met a geneanian.

[00:36:59] That makes sense I could see that and and according to genie a lot of the locations were ones that like she picked mainly for like the chase sequence yeah well I love the chase sequence because like it starts off like in like kind of intimidating and then they just are fucking around at these different sets the entire time.

[00:37:20] Like they do it's so good like they do the banana peel there's a part where like a phone rings and they're like oh it's for John and then like they're still doing the chase and he's just next just like on his phone yeah which is fine I know I held it upside down but don't remind me.

[00:37:36] Meanwhile Paul's just running around with his like knife or pen it's a pen yeah.

[00:37:43] Trying to stab her because she only like half took her clothes off.

[00:37:48] Yeah I'm assuming she didn't want to run around in Los Angeles with you know actually know what some scene she does have the bra off it's weird.

[00:37:56] It like in the office building she's half right just the bra on the skirt and then when it cuts to her outside she has the the the blast back on her little jacket and then when they do the chase sequence in full she takes it off again yeah I think good I think James Rolf like mentioned like he was baffled but he was like he's like I

[00:38:17] It's like all right. I think it was they probably filmed all that on different days that would be my guess.

[00:38:25] Um I find it interesting the filter the filters are still what gets me the most like the whole negative filter and like the weird shit.

[00:38:33] Yeah and it's got like the cut out of the panda and the car yeah like like there's like a random band playing during like a race you know

[00:38:42] like those like like was that your favorite part bill the racing stuff I know you're a racing guy.

[00:38:49] I was interested in what race that was because that was definitely from some like local Winston racing series.

[00:38:56] Yeah look there's aren't they stock cars like the filter is so extreme that in the original version it's hard to fucking tell but I think those are just stock cars.

[00:39:04] They look like late models um it looks like one of the very like kind of like the local pro pro

[00:39:09] preliminary series that like you eventually would like get picked up by one of the touring series and then you

[00:39:14] eventually get to the main series kind of things um it looked like they were ripped straight from one of those

[00:39:20] uh I love the shots of the crowd because I'm pretty I guarantee you those shots were taken

[00:39:24] they either found online or they would take them without consent which uh a lot of shots in this uh

[00:39:29] there was no permits as we learned yeah no shocker no permits like the random pictures that Genie's

[00:39:36] taking with people like when she's just like like her arm around that dude that old dude with the ice cream

[00:39:42] and everything like like it almost comes off as like like vacation photos at certain points you know

[00:39:49] like them just like fucking around basically. One thing I find interesting is the actress that plays uh

[00:39:57] John's mother like that's the most horrifying part of the lady.

[00:40:04] Or no the worst picture is um that girl that his mom once heard oh Amy.

[00:40:12] So I feel so bad for her you know but like the worst is the picture for like smiling and then

[00:40:17] they do the inverse on the camera yeah that was colors it looks it's fucking terrifying

[00:40:23] like that is some scary shit you know. The worst part is like and we don't I don't think they ever

[00:40:28] really mentioned her like I don't know if she know her name or anything about her.

[00:40:32] Uh her name is the the actor actress we have no idea apparently the characters name was Amy

[00:40:37] yeah it's all we know what I feel bad is like looking at the girl like realistically

[00:40:44] they just framed her really bad she really wasn't that unattractive no no it's just she wasn't like

[00:40:49] conventionally or like compared to Jeanne or whatever but that's a very unfair comparison I think.

[00:40:55] I mean for the 90s that was definitely not what was in Vogue but now it is that's pretty standard

[00:41:01] like you'll see girls that look like that all the time yeah it's not that big a deal you know

[00:41:05] I just felt bad it was like wow that like is it in James and James Rolf's review he doesn't even

[00:41:09] show that image like no he doesn't even mention that whole thing at all so when I played it

[00:41:16] myself for the first time which is some of you may remember back when YouTube had annotations

[00:41:22] you know like you could make a little border and click on things to go to different videos

[00:41:26] somebody had structured it so that you could play plumbers don't wear ties on YouTube

[00:41:31] and I that's how I played it for the first time actually so that's where I learned a lot of

[00:41:36] things about the game and yeah like random stuff like that was just left out of his video

[00:41:41] so like even though his video gives you like a rough idea you're better off just playing the game

[00:41:47] for yourself but now obviously we can because it is now available on all the modern platforms I'm

[00:41:53] pretty sure it's on steam too I believe I'll double check on that but um I know that what I was

[00:41:59] getting at though with the jogs mother is uh one thing I found really interesting the actress that

[00:42:05] played the mother um was just like a photo actress the voiceover was a completely different woman

[00:42:12] uh that makes sense which I figured out because that woman appears in the game later as the woman

[00:42:18] that kidnapped stresurer at the end of the game oh yeah oh yeah she's great I heard the voice and I was

[00:42:26] like wait that that was John's mom but that's not the same woman and then I looked into like oh

[00:42:31] it's a different actress that played John's mom but they used her voice it was weird

[00:42:36] that is very strange um we should probably mention the actor I'm not the actor the narrator beef

[00:42:43] because like there's so there's a point in this game where the second female narrator shows up

[00:42:51] and apparently that's her gig she's a a narration hijacker um yeah yeah yeah she's like what wanted

[00:43:00] in like a bunch of states for for doing this crap yeah she shows up and then basically beats up

[00:43:06] the narrator and then he goes away for a little bit um and then he eventually while she reads over

[00:43:12] your script and like I love when she reads your script because she's constantly huh oh that's

[00:43:17] how did you she's like this is the most disgusting thing I've ever seen what choices are these

[00:43:22] were you raised in a barn yeah it's just insult like you which I'm pretty sure she does

[00:43:29] regardless of choices but um yeah it's so fucking stupid but eventually the original narrated

[00:43:35] returns and he just like shoots her up basically with this really literally murders her yeah with

[00:43:43] this a really shitty MS paint like bullet like graphic which uh spoiler warning limited run games

[00:43:49] removed from the uh I'm not sure why maybe they couldn't recreate it in the in the upscaling I don't

[00:43:57] know yeah but but I think they keep the the x's over her eyes they do they do keep that which

[00:44:04] that's funny and then the original narrator returns for the rest of it's like one giant big lip

[00:44:10] alligator moment it's just like it happens and you never acknowledge it again I have not heard

[00:44:15] big lip alligator moment in years I mean that's the best way to explain it honestly yeah fuck it's

[00:44:23] crazy um I guess the last thing to bring up before we get into some of the more technicals is um

[00:44:30] the the the famous uh fucked up line uh that they just left in the script yeah which suggests to me

[00:44:39] like because in the the behind the scenes stuff they're not clear on it I don't think anybody's

[00:44:47] clear on it if they actually did filming like they wanted this to be a full motion game but due to

[00:44:55] you know limitations in say the hardware or the programming or whatever they had to resort to

[00:45:02] using still images and then doing the voiceovers later right so with that outtake it sounds like

[00:45:09] they were you know they could have been potentially recording it like as like a video or whatever

[00:45:15] but also it could have been audio I'm not sure because like you asked Jean and Jean's kind of like

[00:45:22] her memory is a little fuzzy you get the sense her memory about this whole thing is kind of fuzzy

[00:45:26] because she probably just doesn't remember think about it that much which I can't say I blame her on

[00:45:32] um but the details seem to be like there are parts that point to like oh they probably did film

[00:45:38] but then their other parts that's like well they didn't at all or you know it's very confusing

[00:45:44] and the outtake is kind of part of that where it's like was this meant to be filmed or

[00:45:50] like what's the whole deal man so many questions yeah my my theory is that Michael Anderson just

[00:45:55] didn't really know what the fuck he was doing I think he just found it really funny

[00:46:01] and I mean and the joke isn't that funny like he just says I've been searching for me over you

[00:46:08] yeah and then they just start laughing yeah he's like Freudian slip like that

[00:46:13] that's another fucking Freudian slip no that was that was Michael Boaker says that he's like

[00:46:18] Freudian slip perhaps and it's like that's not what a Freudian slip is but you can hear Michael

[00:46:24] Anderson in the background going I'm gonna leave that in the script yeah he's like I'll

[00:46:29] leave that in it's like it's not that funny I do like how they took pictures of them laughing

[00:46:34] though just for the sake of that which was a little amusing like the picture of John just like

[00:46:39] staring off of his face like huh especially when you can tell that like a lot of the photos are

[00:46:45] you can they're definitely were in motion you know like some of the punches and some of the movement

[00:46:51] like you can kind of fill the blanks in yourself so again it's like was it meant to be filmed

[00:46:56] and was the stills just done as like a backup I have no fucking idea and the definitive edition

[00:47:03] doesn't really do a good job of explaining that no another thing too that I found amusing was

[00:47:10] at the end of the game you get the choice you can either get the Hollywood ending or the non-Hollywood ending

[00:47:15] which is she turns into a nun yeah the the Hollywood ending we a nun yeah there's a lot of good

[00:47:24] portable lines in this honestly yeah my favorite though is the ending where she's like so what do

[00:47:30] you do and he's like I'm a plumber she's like nah no plumber don't wear ties and I'm like she said

[00:47:35] the line and he's wearing that dumb fucking tie the whole time because mom wanted him to but like

[00:47:43] never mind that was my that's like one time it's mentioned is like at the beginning of the game

[00:47:49] where the moms like come on where the tie you look nice and he's like mom plumbers don't wear

[00:47:53] ties and she's like where it anyways yeah it's like he just has like the white shirt on and

[00:47:59] that it like tucked into the jeans and it's like and he's like he's almost dare I say it I think he's

[00:48:08] like gay buff you know yeah yeah yeah I think you know what I mean by that which is kind of fitting

[00:48:17] because if you look at his IMDB page his only other credit is like for some weird movie that I think

[00:48:23] has like some gay implications I'm not saying he's gay or not I have no idea I don't want to be gay

[00:48:29] are you gay John yeah his mom asked him but I know that all I'm so cringe yeah

[00:48:36] like all that stuff points to me I'm like at the end we're dude he might be

[00:48:40] me we don't know me my I have no idea if he if he happens to see this I'm not insinuating

[00:48:49] I don't fucking care it's just you know vibes if I'm wrong I'm wrong please let me know yeah

[00:48:58] yeah but other than that now I guess getting into the so other than that that's about it for the game

[00:49:03] um it's a bunch of still images and a bunch of dumb filters pieced together with a patchy-ass

[00:49:10] script and some real cornball acting that somehow became this weird cult phenomenon because

[00:49:16] it's such a fucking weird idea for a video game that like it almost feels like somebody would make

[00:49:24] this now as like a parody you know of like of bad games but like no this was made essentially to be

[00:49:31] a pet project for some random guy and it was so fucking surreal and almost like kind of Andy Warhol

[00:49:38] asked that it just became I think it it was destined to have the legacy that it has you know

[00:49:46] and and they weren't making this to be anything more than that at all and you can tell like

[00:49:53] they're not doing it they're not trying to like make high art or anything as uh genie bassoan said

[00:50:00] they got paid that's all that mattered yeah and they moved on but she said like she had no

[00:50:05] she was not uncomfortable at all during the production like everyone was I won't say professional

[00:50:10] but everyone was like super nice there was no like weirdness on the set yeah and like even for the 90s

[00:50:17] a lot of the stuff that's a lot of the the more kind of risque photos of her to me again I

[00:50:25] I mean I lived through most of the 90s but I was a baby so the vibe I get is they didn't put her in

[00:50:31] that many suggestive situations like maybe a couple but nothing that crazy you know

[00:50:38] and it was said the only scene that made her uncomfortable was the shower scene

[00:50:43] yeah which is fair because like even the weird stuff with Thresher in the office it's like

[00:50:48] she you can tell she's in total control you know what I mean they're not making her the vulnerable

[00:50:53] person in that situation the image of her writing is the image of her back is amazing it's amazing

[00:51:00] that is an awesome photo the photo well that's my uh my favorite joke in the eveng in episode is like

[00:51:06] when it cuts to the scene of her and like the lingerie with like the handcuffs and the whip

[00:51:10] and James rolls just damn like he's like what the fuck am I watching yeah

[00:51:17] uh that whole scene what kind of fucked up game is this is what he says yeah what kind of fucked up

[00:51:22] game is this um I just like uh it's like where did she get the handcuffs and the whip it's just

[00:51:27] the game here I didn't know where yeah they were in her purse yes she always has them she's always

[00:51:32] ready also another thing we missed is the scene where it shows her driving to work like she's like

[00:51:38] brushing her teeth in the car like eating her breakfast after she after she brushed her teeth

[00:51:43] yeah hey we've all done that we've brushed our teeth and then we're like oh I should have ate

[00:51:48] first fuck yeah uh she's shaving her leg at one point like it's like

[00:51:54] also my favorite part is she mentions like that was her actual car but then the car in the parking

[00:51:59] oxygen was not her guard she's like I don't know whose car that was no idea yeah um yeah

[00:52:05] and and and we've all known people and have done stuff in cars it's like yeah we shouldn't

[00:52:11] be doing this but we're doing it anyways you know the whole lipstick or whatever you know and I'm

[00:52:17] doing my face on the way on the way to my job you know yeah um I paint this beard on every day

[00:52:25] you may not know that my other favorite was the motorcycle like John's little scooter that uh

[00:52:31] he said plumber on a bike plumber on a bike I love that and it's like okay so with that thing

[00:52:36] okay that whole fucking thing where it's like plumber on a bike it implies he's an independent

[00:52:41] contractor right but he's like oh but I gotta you know get up and get to work or whatever and it's

[00:52:46] like like what like for your first job or like are you just like a dude who like works for like a

[00:52:52] like an independent contractor but he were like reports to it uh business or whatever and then

[00:52:57] he can just like forgo his whole day because he just happened to meet some random girl that he fell

[00:53:02] in love with without really talking to her you know what that whole part was fucking confusing to

[00:53:07] me so I'm like if he's an independent contractor and he missed his first job because of this like

[00:53:13] that dude that's not a good luck man no like unless he unless he takes her he's like here let me

[00:53:19] show you what I do yeah see I am a plumber just like VIXX's some dude sing and she just stands there

[00:53:27] she's like oh I left my car at that parking lot we gotta go back and get that at some yeah

[00:53:34] the whole the whole thing is bizarre like their whole relationship is like the textbook example

[00:53:39] of strangled by the red string as they say on TV tropes yeah like they just love it love it first

[00:53:44] sight as well yeah with zero development at all yeah man he loves do her plumbing that line is so

[00:53:51] bad but hilarious at the same time I mean I mean you knew they had to do that they had to it made too

[00:53:58] much that I'd like to do her plumbing like the way he said is like what and then it just stops

[00:54:04] uncomfortably for a minute's like are they gonna say anything here like what's going on here like

[00:54:08] the whole thing is a complete mess but much like the room or even Freddie got finger to it

[00:54:14] a certain extent it's so fucking weird and crazy that the only way to experience it is to experience

[00:54:20] it for yourself you know it's so it's so easy to like look up other people's opinions online

[00:54:25] and make them your own I think we've all done that at least once but this you just have to you

[00:54:31] just have to get it man you know and plus to see everything the main game offers is like what an hour

[00:54:39] on your top depending on how much you want to like go through every ending which I will give

[00:54:45] the how many endings are like two or three or there's no one I will say one thing that limited run

[00:54:53] games did well was they gave that nice flow chart that shows you all the different roots in how

[00:54:58] the game works I hate that flow chart no not a fan the only reason I don't like it is because

[00:55:05] navigating it fucking sucks well yeah we'll get into the menus that's what I don't like it like

[00:55:11] having the flow chart is nice but one of them many dumb things limited run did with this remaster

[00:55:18] one of the many things highlighted run is making that flow chart like I'm trying to like get to these

[00:55:24] scenes and it's like oh I can't go down I have to go right and then up and then diagonal

[00:55:29] and then I'm there I'm like why what does it matter we'll get into the block we'll get into the

[00:55:35] controls later yeah this remaster was done by like I think it's essentially done by two guys

[00:55:42] released it's implied it was done by two guys and we meet the two guys yeah um yeah one of them

[00:55:47] does the commentary with uh Jeannie and he's very he compliments her every five minutes going

[00:55:52] you know you still look pretty good it's like dude I think he's just trying to be nice you know

[00:55:59] he was he sounded very awkward the whole time yeah everybody works at limited run is so awkward

[00:56:06] it's ridiculous unless unless you're mvg modern vintage gamer who I think he still works with them

[00:56:12] he made uh the carbon engine which is uh basically why they've gotten a lot of these like other old

[00:56:19] game collections running and everything I love mvg he has a youtube channel um he goes really in depth

[00:56:24] on like home brew and game engines and all that stuff like that side of gaming and it's fascinating

[00:56:30] he has a great job shout out to mvg I will say like I have issues with how they handled the remaster

[00:56:35] but I will say oh yeah this product this product is shoddy at best yeah I will say though I

[00:56:42] I do think the two guys that made it seem very nice and they did seem to care from oh yeah

[00:56:48] yeah it is there was effort put in but I think the issue for me just comes from like a lack of

[00:56:55] quality control because a lot of because a lot of issues there's a lot of little issues with this

[00:57:01] remaster that it just doesn't make any sense like the main game perfectly fine for the most part

[00:57:07] um I don't know if you had this issue but for me like I said it to no borders um keep you

[00:57:15] know get really like the little menu and just experience the game right whenever I would make a choice

[00:57:21] it would give me a border just a random border and then it would the menu would pop back up

[00:57:28] so I never got the border but I did get the menu popping up all right okay which that's an easy

[00:57:33] just push a button it's gone whatever but to get rid of the border I would have to go into the

[00:57:38] pause menu and get rid of it but it just kept happening so I was just like fuck it and just kept it

[00:57:44] yeah the programming in this game is suspect you can tell any tell one guy did the programming yeah

[00:57:51] before we get fully into the definitive edition though I did want to just touch on the differences

[00:57:56] between the PC version and the 3d version yes the long lost PC version which one of the videos

[00:58:03] on here on this definitive edition for some reason it's like a youtube video that is like a detailed

[00:58:09] history of the game and its release and everything and it mentions the PC version like did they only

[00:58:14] place it really enough that youtube video I think is a little bit more in depth than some of the

[00:58:19] interviews for this yeah just for this but like he tracked down the some do track down the original

[00:58:27] PC version like tried to find a copy there was one copy they found in some random ass library

[00:58:33] and then and then he grabbed it ripped the files and so if you go online type in plumbers don't

[00:58:39] wear ties like PC version lost PC version and you I think it's on internet archive archive.org you

[00:58:45] can find it and download it and you're ready to go in fact when you download it there's like a read

[00:58:50] me file and I recommend pulling that up so it'll just tell you like oh do like click this and

[00:58:56] that you're good to go so I'd recommend it because you get to see a somehow like less complete

[00:59:05] version of it like it's still the same game but the menus are completely different so the intro

[00:59:10] doesn't exist yeah the full motion video with the genie bason that's completely not in the PC

[00:59:16] original that was made for the 3d version specifically yes which answers one question I had

[00:59:24] why is there video at the start but the rest of it isn't and I guess part of keyron wanting to

[00:59:29] do this for the 3d oh was like oh we can actually do video so let's get genie back in do a short

[00:59:35] little video with her which it lines up perfectly but but if you notice her hair her hairstyle

[00:59:43] and the video is a little different than in the the still issues yes it's not complete obvious

[00:59:51] but you know it's a little different and I will say for this the definitive edition they do like

[00:59:56] a completely new intro with her yeah just great it's it's like it's completely tongue in cheek

[01:00:02] and it is funny it's funny she well I love how she's like kind of embrace this and it's just

[01:00:07] like leaning into the joke yeah I like that like my favorite scene is like they've re-emulated

[01:00:12] the whole zooming in on her boobs again and she's like hey hey we're not doing this shit again

[01:00:16] the same in 90s yeah and they have like the real bad like video distorted effects like

[01:00:21] in there she punches the camera of that whole set yeah I like that I thought that was done really well

[01:00:26] she the fact the fact that she contributed so much to this is honestly my favorite part of it

[01:00:31] yeah she's free-tanned to hell though yeah I mean hey I don't mean that as an insult it's just kind

[01:00:39] of like you know how some people are whatever um one thing I did love though in the commentary was

[01:00:44] when they were going over the the original version of that scene uh she the whole time she's

[01:00:49] commenting like what that oh I guess my shirt's gone now um the point where it zooms in at her

[01:00:54] boobs she's like what she's like clearly she wasn't in on it no she just like she showed up did

[01:01:01] the whole bit she probably completely black that out I wouldn't be so pleased obviously um

[01:01:07] and I imagine a lot of women in show business blackouts certain parts of their career

[01:01:13] yeah uh going back to it though like the um so the PC original a doesn't have that uh

[01:01:20] that opening scene it has extra images that aren't in the 3d version that is true yes

[01:01:28] but they are in the definitive and when I saw that in definitive I was like what the fuck are these

[01:01:33] uh and there are these weird drawn images of like computers and they look really surreal in like

[01:01:40] yeah and I don't think we get any information on where those came from why they're there

[01:01:48] we get nothing also the united pictures logo which has that like weird clown looking guy on the

[01:01:55] cover yeah yeah the clown fuck yeah yeah yeah crossing like you look up united pictures believe

[01:02:01] or not you're not going to find much about this company oh yeah that's about all I could find

[01:02:07] is that picture yeah it's so weird the pc version is fascinating in its own way

[01:02:13] there are some slightly different music tracks too yes there's also different music

[01:02:19] tracks in the definitive edition it's weird how like the 3d sound track has was not fully

[01:02:25] brought over and is it just me or did this definitive edition add a photo like for this

[01:02:33] that dog photo I don't remember because that you know the photo I'm talking about of the close

[01:02:38] up of the dog right yeah I remember I looked at it I stared at it and I was like this has to be a

[01:02:44] brand new photo it has to be like in the the setup of the shots are completely different there's no

[01:02:50] AI upscaling which is how they remastered it like there's none of that it just looks like a modern

[01:02:56] picture but nobody mentions it as far as I know so I'm blanking on the 3d version

[01:03:03] I can't remember what plays there during that version but in the um the pc original the clown photo

[01:03:10] appears there yeah which is weird like and then it cuts right to Jane like it's like such a weird

[01:03:18] thing I don't get I that is still my the biggest mystery in this game to me yeah this this

[01:03:24] whole thing is a mystery and I was hoping the definitive edition would would kind of answer a lot

[01:03:30] of those questions and we get some answers mainly from Jean um and the behind the scenes photo

[01:03:36] or the behind the scenes stuff that's about the remaster of this like how he did the AI upscaling for

[01:03:42] all of that is really fascinating yeah I really appreciated that stuff even though in my opinion

[01:03:49] why didn't they just use the stills from the pc version because I'm sure you thought when you

[01:03:54] boot up the pc version like these look fine like they're not distorted like the 3d oh they're not

[01:03:59] pixelated like the 3d oh ones are like they look nice and clean like you could have just took those

[01:04:04] you know maybe did a little touch up and they would have been fine you didn't have to do all this

[01:04:08] AI upscaling for it at least in my opinion yeah I'm assuming like the source code they didn't have

[01:04:14] for the pc version they only had the 3d version yeah because I think they even said they couldn't get

[01:04:20] like they tried to see if there was any like film reels or any of like the stills were saved

[01:04:26] they're kind of vague on that yes but actually there might have been some but probably not enough

[01:04:32] but then it actually that hits me though they have those weird surrealist drawings from the pc

[01:04:37] version so they had to have some like yeah like I imagine Michael Anderson kept some of that stuff

[01:04:44] like probably but again they're like you know it got lost a time or you know it wasn't taken care

[01:04:50] of properly so you know we don't know and it's a shame we don't get more like detail like that

[01:04:59] because most of the behind the scenes footage is like like the CEO of limited run games or just

[01:05:06] random video game people saying oh this game is crazy this is wacky that we did this blah blah blah

[01:05:12] blah like most of the videos are the same fucking thing of them being like oh this is crazy

[01:05:17] that we did this and they're crazy oh the 90s were crazy like there's like half the fucking videos

[01:05:23] are the same shit and it's fucking stupid like I don't need john lineman from digital foundry

[01:05:30] shout out to digital foundry telling me about this stuff like I don't need that like us going in

[01:05:36] we know this stuff like I wanted more I wanted more like of an in depth gene interview because I

[01:05:42] felt the gene interview was very surface level there's not like they don't go that deep I mean it

[01:05:47] could go as deep as you know she remembers for sure you know and she plugs like she basically

[01:05:52] just covers her whole life pretty quickly like her whole career which is fine I you know I respect

[01:05:58] that yeah I knew about her like soap company before this but you know I would have liked more

[01:06:04] detail but the commentaries do a good job of providing some more detail the commentary is the best part

[01:06:10] of this like whole page like yeah yeah so much interesting stuff yeah and I do enjoy the how they

[01:06:15] got the a upscaling to work and seeing the early tests of it and all that stuff and it's a rare case

[01:06:22] of AI being done in a way that I like and it can appreciate yeah you know because it's like

[01:06:27] it's doing something that you can't really do otherwise you know what I mean um and I used

[01:06:35] and I used the AI upscaling the whole time because you know I thought it did kind of clean up the image

[01:06:39] yeah but once you learn its AI it has that AI look to it you know what I mean yeah it's hard

[01:06:46] it's like that weird smoothness then it has it's like borderline uncanny valley even though according

[01:06:52] to this they used a bunch of photos of gene a bunch of photos of Edward so that the AI could learn

[01:06:59] how to like oh that's them that's them you know and touch it up where it needed to be

[01:07:03] I found that interesting because like he mentioned how like when they use the AI with the gene it made

[01:07:10] everyone look like gene and then when they use it yeah Edward it made everyone look like Edward

[01:07:14] yeah so he said it took him and he said take him like a year to remaster I think it was all

[01:07:20] 800 stills yeah that way so could you imagine a year of your life trying to figure this shit out but

[01:07:27] I mean props to that I can't remember his name I'm very sorry but props to him for like

[01:07:32] making it work because I do think it's a good it's a good job of that and shout out to the one guy who

[01:07:37] did the programming his name is George or Jorge or Georgie or whatever like yeah even though

[01:07:43] I think the programming on this is kind of shoddy with the whole border issue that I had I don't know

[01:07:49] if you had this issue but whenever I would watch a video at when it was done it would either boot

[01:07:54] me to the main menu or would boot me to like the like the oh select the images or video clip

[01:08:01] thing or some never keep me in that video menu never stay the most annoying it would bring you

[01:08:06] back to the to the extras menu and then three seconds in it would go back to the main menu you'd have

[01:08:11] to go through everything again yeah like that is to me that's like a lack of quality control

[01:08:18] yeah like that's probably a little bug that could be smoothed out but it's just the fact that

[01:08:23] it's there especially when this thing got delayed for fucking years because in the videos they have

[01:08:28] the like oh here's like the 2021 Announce trailer here's the 2022 here's a 2023 trailer here's

[01:08:35] another 2023 trailer like why it took them so long to do this I have no idea like it's spent all

[01:08:43] this time in the oven and it comes out half baked yeah that's the limited run games way hey

[01:08:52] out of a lot of people are starting to turn on limited run games yeah I think they're

[01:08:57] they do a lot of things I don't like you know the whole issue of I've bought stuff from them

[01:09:03] um I'll know if you guys can see it but behind me I have the no more heroes one and two limited run

[01:09:09] deluxe sets which are actually really good I like them but I've bought no other sets from them

[01:09:14] like I think I had corpse killer at one point I know I had a copy of Turok that I bought from Best Buy

[01:09:21] and it was always just like kind of iffy stuff like my corpse killer came damaged I know

[01:09:27] that's happened with other people as well um their customer support isn't very good at all it takes

[01:09:33] forever to get stuff and then when you get stuff like this it's just you know really really half baked

[01:09:39] you know the best the best thing they do is they digitally publish all this stuff and put it out

[01:09:45] there which I think is good and they allowed a game like rz the jewel of pharaohmore to exist

[01:09:52] which for those of you who don't know that is the guy who did the Zelda cdi pc remakes made a

[01:09:59] spiritual successor original game called rz and it is I played it I beat it it is fantastic

[01:10:07] because it captures the spirit of the cdi like weirdness to to a level that's kind of disturbing

[01:10:13] but he made a good game out of it and it is well worth your time so and limited run publish that

[01:10:20] it's their first like original game so props to them for doing that and I like that they exist

[01:10:26] for this more kind of weird niche stuff but there's a lot of thing a lot of business practice stuff

[01:10:32] that they do and then I think this releases also an example of them being just kind of half-assing

[01:10:38] a lot of shit and just like raking in dough on a kind of a limited effort limited run effort

[01:10:46] I will say I bought this copy out of ebay from what I found out a lot of people who pre-ordered these

[01:10:53] still have yet to get their copies so that's so weird they're like some of them shipped out super

[01:10:58] early some people have yet to even see them ship yeah it's a mess it's probably for the best I didn't

[01:11:04] get a physical of this because there's probably not a chance I would have had it at this point and

[01:11:09] I would have had to double dip and which some people claim that with the physical taking so long

[01:11:15] but the digital coming out quicker it you know they kind of forced people to double dip potentially

[01:11:20] I don't know if that's true I don't want to claim that but it wouldn't surprise me a lot of

[01:11:25] companies have intentionally done that before Nintendo so I will say like the behind the scene

[01:11:34] stuff I liked for the most part the the interviews with the my life and gaming know nothing against them

[01:11:40] I do enjoy their content and those other people they were kind of the least interesting to me because

[01:11:47] they were just like rehashing yet that I've already heard before yeah and there were so many videos

[01:11:53] from these people like they didn't need to be here like completely at all like the girl that

[01:12:00] used to work with the metal Jesus rocks she was in a bunch yeah yeah she has that weird video game

[01:12:06] history preservation thing and there's some issues around that as well like you know about I mean

[01:12:15] the whole preserving video games thing is is a rough topic and all that stuff and I'm not saying

[01:12:20] these people aren't passionate about it but having them in an official product just seems really

[01:12:25] weird to me yeah I had nothing nothing against any of them um I'm sure they're all great people

[01:12:31] I just I thought their contribution to this was very except the CEO of Lemurun games

[01:12:37] well yeah he he comes off as a shithead doesn't he kind of comes off as an asshole

[01:12:43] I love it I hope he's watching this too so then we get some hate mail maybe I mean I did I do

[01:12:49] give him the props for his uh tracking down uh the people and getting the rights for this so

[01:12:55] this could happen yeah yeah I'll know I just get weird vibes off of him I did appreciate be I did

[01:13:02] appreciate the James Rolf interview because it kind of made that was good I actually that one made

[01:13:06] perfect sense I like that that one was there I love I love it's having him kind of go like

[01:13:11] what have I done like he's like fuck man I can't believe I did the I liked that that was great

[01:13:16] you know but like James Rolf is kind of like a he's become kind of like a cultural figure in the

[01:13:22] video game pantheon you know I like I like chill older James Rolf who where he's just like what did I do

[01:13:29] yeah where he's always too busy yeah that yeah I'm not getting all that cinema ask or BS

[01:13:35] anyways um gene stuff the gene stuff was nice learning more about the actual development of this

[01:13:42] was nice is that weird comedy skit where they just like he'd like redoes like the dot file to be

[01:13:49] like oh that's how I boarded it which is I mean sure I don't know why it's in here but yeah whatever

[01:13:56] you know um and then yeah there's just a lot of weird stuff in here but one one issue I have with

[01:14:04] this I discovered this today actually so now now for the video I want to be sure everybody can see

[01:14:13] this okay let me pull it up if you can see probably not I have all the achievements right so I've

[01:14:23] done everything right now I hadn't turned this on in a couple days because I've been busy playing

[01:14:29] like a dragon and a little bit of dead rising and everything right so I hit A right oh we haven't

[01:14:35] talked about plumb the depths okay let's talk about that in a second so I go to galleries because

[01:14:40] I'm like oh let me pull up a silly still for the background right right so I'll go to the images

[01:14:47] or the fucking the images everything's locked again huh it's all locked like it still has like my

[01:14:58] saved data from when I'm playing the main game but it's all locked again why the fuck is it locked

[01:15:04] I I already did all this that the game not save it is there a save glitch in here

[01:15:10] like what the fuck that's bullshit now I didn't go into plumb the depths and be like do I have

[01:15:15] to do this again but why would I have to do that again I already did it yeah you know and the

[01:15:20] achievements are all tied to getting these unlockables except for like a couple they're all tied to this

[01:15:27] that's so I don't that's but again shoddy programming but that's what happens when you have one guy

[01:15:33] programming everything yeah it doesn't I don't care I don't care if you're John Carmack you're

[01:15:37] gonna find you're gonna make a mistake here there it happens um yeah that I have to I should probably

[01:15:44] check mine at some point yeah that that genuinely upset me yeah because I guess going into that now

[01:15:52] well on the depths oh man that could have been cool so the best way to describe plumb the depths is

[01:16:00] imagine that old windows maze screensaver yeah I didn't think about it till you said it but that's

[01:16:08] so true um it's essentially a first person like doom style 3d maze dungeon crawler thing uh

[01:16:16] that you it's basically three it's a three color maze and basically what you do is you collect plunders

[01:16:22] and you find all of your little extras you can buy them with plumber bucks that you get from playing

[01:16:28] the game um fun fact you can you can buy every you can buy pretty much everything with the money

[01:16:35] you get from one playthrough like I only got through yeah yeah that's great it's a glorified menu

[01:16:41] um and yeah you collect the plunders you can pet the cat yep like an actual cat and then you

[01:16:49] and then you'll find like fresher just like I'm around at you and you use the plunders to throw

[01:16:55] at him handle first by the way that because it's literally the same little 3d image of the plunder

[01:17:04] that is fine they didn't they didn't bother to animate it the other way no throw at him so

[01:17:11] and it's yeah it's like a weirdly confusing maze so it'll take you like maybe half an hour

[01:17:17] to do the whole thing yeah and there's always going to be that one fucking thing that you can't

[01:17:22] find if that's like yep uh I will say the first time I played plumb the depths I didn't know

[01:17:28] Thresher was in there um and I pet the cat did he jump scare you he did the when I finally

[01:17:35] when I finally figured out what it was because he caught me three times before I actually knew what

[01:17:40] it was oh I was like because of the first time I pet the cat and then it cut to the the game

[01:17:45] over screen where he's like he's like I figured what he said something like some stupid you should have

[01:17:50] been a better employee yourself yeah yeah someone which that has to be like unused dialogue from

[01:17:56] the game because he doesn't say that in the game yeah it's definitely his voice though oh yeah

[01:18:01] but um yeah so the first time I pet the cat and got it I was like that was weird what is

[01:18:06] like don't pet the cat I guess um and then it would randomly it happened two more times because

[01:18:11] he sneaks up on you um but you hear the steps see I thought at first those were just my footsteps

[01:18:18] so I didn't really pick up on it that's fair and yeah the sneaking up he definitely got me a couple

[01:18:23] times as well yeah um because it just happened I was like is it like timed or something and then one

[01:18:29] of the times I rounded a corner and he was just there and it like they jumped me I was like whoa

[01:18:33] like what the fuck was that um it's a nice perverted old man run away and then I actually saw

[01:18:40] the still they use a still the still of him holding the pen yes and they just make it kind of like

[01:18:46] gyrate back and forth basically they mirror it so it looks like he's walking at least that's what it

[01:18:51] looks like to me you know what it reminded me of this is a really weird obscure reference you

[01:18:56] reminded me of that really shitty uh game that all the youtubers were playing uh Baldi's basics

[01:19:03] oh basic Baldi's math or whatever yeah it reminded me of how things move in that like it was

[01:19:08] like really yeah yeah Baldi's was like that was like the bad doki doki you're the bad like five

[01:19:14] nights at Freddy's like I think it's trying more to be a five nights at Freddy's thing where

[01:19:19] it's like oh it's one thing but it's something else or whatever and it just I didn't like it at all

[01:19:24] yeah I don't know what people are it's it's it was it was one it was just a dumb like youtuber streamer

[01:19:29] game oh yeah I remember it it was it was in that like original five nights at Freddy's explosion

[01:19:36] in the 2010s it's apparently a parody of sonic schoolhouse which is like a very uncanny educational

[01:19:43] came from like back of the day I mean a little but I didn't think it was that bad no it's not scary

[01:19:48] it's just like it's uncanny looking yeah I still think that weird image in sonic CD is creepier

[01:19:56] oh the other weird Mario face ones yeah that's no creepies hell um going back to plum the depths though

[01:20:04] it it's literally like the most they check this on and it had there was no reason for like

[01:20:12] that being how you unlock all the unlockables no like it would have been interesting if it was

[01:20:17] like a weird dungeon crawler that like like oh you have to like save gene and or in save or save

[01:20:24] john and Jane from thrash ring you could have multi levels are actually like put a little bit

[01:20:29] effort into it but I mean it runs perfectly fine I never had it crash on me or anything

[01:20:35] it's obviously one of the best running things in this game for real like it's perfectly fine for what

[01:20:40] it is but it could have been more you know um to me like all the biggest like thing to me is the fact

[01:20:49] that it's so just generic looking like it's like it's just three different colors yeah they didn't

[01:20:55] bother to add any like references or any cute little Easter eggs in there nothing yeah no it would

[01:21:02] have been cool if like they used like stills from the game and tried to make like graphics based

[01:21:07] around those that would have been interesting yeah like like like like like find the random panda bear

[01:21:15] in the race car he's hidden out somewhere like one of the sections could have been like the the race

[01:21:20] track the other could have been like the parking on the other could have been the office or something

[01:21:23] yeah that would have been perfect you know yeah unfortunately they did not go that way um they did

[01:21:30] not you know it would have been a more interesting villain if they had like chicken man running around

[01:21:35] in there there we go I would love chicken man that's actually one of my favorite behind

[01:21:41] those have been repeat says that mean like or like have like fresher in the narrator fight each other

[01:21:45] so it's like Peter Griffin and the giant chicken yeah honestly one of my favorite shots from the

[01:21:51] game is that one image of uh Michael Anderson in the car with I think the female narrator and he's

[01:21:56] just wearing the chicken mask yeah it's like yeah it's like what is that from that he's pimping that's

[01:22:02] what he's doing right there yeah yeah honestly like uh also the this remaster was really upsetting

[01:22:12] it's it's annoying to me because it's like it's great that like this game is easy to experience now

[01:22:18] because I do think this is we'll get into it with uh okay must play stay away but I do think this

[01:22:23] is a game that should be experienced yeah because one thing they say in the behind the scene stuff

[01:22:28] that I completely agree I forget who said it they said you know if we're gonna preserve the good

[01:22:33] games we also need to preserve the bad games and I completely agree I think every game deserves to be

[01:22:39] preserved though I think game preservation at least from an official standpoint isn't a weird state

[01:22:48] but I mean we all know that if you search you know if you if you look around you'll find just about

[01:22:55] every game you want there are very few games that are lost to time like not as many as people say but

[01:23:01] I think when they say preservation they mean in a more official capacity that's like playable on

[01:23:07] like modern systems and everything with no not having to do any legal gray area stuff and I completely

[01:23:13] agree and and seeing this come out at all it is pretty amazing when you think about it because I think

[01:23:21] they even say like oh the craziest game of port would have been night trap which I don't know if I

[01:23:25] don't agree with that but I still like we still don't have sewer shark that would be fucking crazy

[01:23:31] because I'm like that game sucks but I play it I put what we'd have I mean it has a 3d

[01:23:36] o' port so we can talk about it but you know there's still some of those that haven't been ported yet

[01:23:41] but this this yes kind of near the top of the list as far as like the most out there

[01:23:47] re-release you can think of the one thing I disagreed with though out of all the comments they made

[01:23:52] the behind the scenes was they constantly refer to this game as the worst game ever I don't agree

[01:23:57] with that from a technical standpoint maybe from like like how if if something qualifies as a game

[01:24:08] sure but when it comes to like I don't know what the ultimate metric of a game is like do you

[01:24:15] enjoy it I guess that's the thing like to me like worst game ever is something that like

[01:24:21] like balls 3d I would I find worse than this oh yeah I mean at least we like we've played

[01:24:29] worst games on this program oh yeah oh no when we get to must play okay stay away my answer is

[01:24:33] probably going to be shocking to some people but um honestly like this game to me is interesting

[01:24:41] to play like it's I mean it's not a good game it's it's it's arguably borderline a game at all

[01:24:46] um but it's entertaining and it's kind of like it is kind of like the room in that way you just

[01:24:51] kind of like to watch it because it's fascinating yeah yeah you you see it because you're like what

[01:24:58] the fuck is this you know and you enjoy it like for when they throw or maybe a more contemporary

[01:25:05] example a Neil Breene film if you know who Neil Breene is you know this game feels

[01:25:11] closer to like a Neil Breene thing because if you ever watched any of Neil Breene stuff it is

[01:25:15] completely fucking bonkers yeah and it's kind of almost closer in spirit to this but Neil Breene

[01:25:22] has his head firmly up his ass I do think James Rolf said it best though with his famous quote of

[01:25:29] what the fuck is this game yeah it's barely a game but we've played games that are much more

[01:25:36] games that are way worse than this oh yeah like like I think a potential episode idea would be to

[01:25:44] rank all the games that we've played like put them in a list and and I have no idea where plumbers

[01:25:50] would be in that list because there's some games we've played that were like kind of boring or just

[01:25:54] kind of mediocre that I would probably put above this just because it's more of a game but there

[01:26:00] are definitely games I would put below this for sure I mean I mean D alone was a technical marvel at

[01:26:06] the time it came up but nowadays it's fucking miserable to play in at least at least this is entertaining

[01:26:13] for what it's worth yeah D is fucking trash um so going into reception from the time

[01:26:21] it's interesting because it's kind of hard to find true

[01:26:25] reception from when this actually came out because I don't think a lot of people played this when it

[01:26:31] came out there there was I think they it might have been the YouTube video on this when they were

[01:26:36] talking about like when the PC version came out um like they had a screenshot of a review of the

[01:26:44] PC version at the time from some random game magazine so it did get reviews at the time and I

[01:26:52] don't know if 3DO magazine reviewed this probably not or maybe they did so looking through um

[01:27:00] apparently all game gave it one star um PC gamer actually did review it and gave it 3%

[01:27:08] that's probably the one I was thinking of yeah which 3% is tragic yeah uh

[01:27:14] another similarly titled magazine PC format rated it 4%

[01:27:22] oh EGM apparently rated oh no that was a retrospective review nevermind

[01:27:27] oh yeah there's no count yeah there's not a lot of reviews from the time most of

[01:27:33] her one up apparently gave it uh one of the worst viewing in box covers which

[01:27:40] I guess I mean the 3DO box cover isn't very good no like my favorite part of it is the uh

[01:27:47] the thing that was parityed on the back of here is all the little like

[01:27:51] like explodes and my favorite is the upside down get it get it yeah no I don't get it yeah um yeah but

[01:28:00] if you if you actually look from as you don't like if you look at the plumbers don't wear ties cover

[01:28:05] like the 3DO cover it's not very good like there's nothing about it that's like genuinely enticing

[01:28:11] and and that one picture they have of Jane where it's like she's like doing this like showing a little

[01:28:16] bit of like your bra or whatever it's like that photo never shows up anywhere in the game so

[01:28:23] why is that one there so weird fun I still think it's funny that the limited run special edition

[01:28:30] cover I feel like more effort put into it than a lot of the stuff in the actual game yeah who did

[01:28:36] that who drew that cover I don't know I'm gonna actually have to look into that because I'm curious

[01:28:41] yeah cuz I do like that cover yeah honestly that is the reason I bought this because I saw

[01:28:47] that cover I'm like that looks nice I kind of wanted it my so yeah John looks like Phoenix right

[01:28:55] he does yeah I love that little chicken guy and everything yeah crazy man

[01:29:01] um so I wonder I wonder if they would do like an anime visual novel remake of this game the amount

[01:29:07] of people when I post this onto the 3DO Reddit the amount of people that thought they turned

[01:29:12] the game into an anime was actually kind of hilarious that would be amazing apparently there

[01:29:17] apparently there's a book version of this if you go on limited run games they got some like

[01:29:21] comedy writer to turn this into like a novel or like a little mini novella thing or whatever

[01:29:26] and I I considered buying it but no I couldn't um not even with a tax refund coming also apparently

[01:29:36] like one one final thing before we get into must play ok stay away apparently according to a

[01:29:43] uh jenine and some of the uh people from a limited run there actually was a sequel

[01:29:50] apparently being thrown around back in the yeah yeah but I think I think that was all purely

[01:29:57] hypothetical I highly doubt there was anything concrete I think they were just it's that thing where

[01:30:04] people I'm sure we've all it's like oh wouldn't it be cool if we did that thing again and it's just

[01:30:09] yeah you think about it or they're like no and there's a reason you don't ever do it again

[01:30:14] because that would have that would have been genuinely bad

[01:30:19] so I guess now for must play ok stay away um I'm gonna break the break the scale here

[01:30:26] I'm gonna say go for it because I feel like you should I feel like you should play this game now

[01:30:33] that there is a way to play because it is oh yeah it is just a visual like fascination like

[01:30:41] in gaming I can say this I think I can say let's say this it'll probably be the worst game we say

[01:30:48] is a must play honestly because yeah it is dog shit but it's you have to experience it like you

[01:30:56] have to know what this is it's an absolute must play like I think it's it sales for it sells for

[01:31:02] like 20 bucks uh yeah I'm sure I'm sure it'll go on sale at one point and for like 10 or under

[01:31:07] like just go for it man like why not you'll get like two hours of laughter out of it and then you'll

[01:31:13] probably move on with your life and that will be they'll be good you know so I think it's definitely

[01:31:19] worth experiencing just for the legacy that it's created and this sort of lasting impact

[01:31:25] that it has had in this modern internet meme culture you know it has carved out a little piece of

[01:31:30] that's and that alone I think is is worth giving it a shot the fact that it got a modern release on

[01:31:37] consoles to me is the most one of the probably the best parts of gaming that I love is the fact

[01:31:43] that something as stupid as this could get a release on a modern system yeah we can't get mother

[01:31:49] three in the west but we can damn sure get plumbers don't wear ties I will say though don't buy

[01:31:54] the original it's not worth it unless you are a crazy 3DO collector like me and had to own

[01:32:00] this game physically um don't it's it's 200 the disc alone is $200 and it's

[01:32:08] by this I'm more of a 3DO collector than I ever thought I would be in my entire life and I still

[01:32:15] don't think it's worth it no especially now when you have this modern version just go just

[01:32:21] get just get that instead you'll think us later honestly like I never thought I'd know

[01:32:28] as so much about plumbers don't wear ties like when I first watched when I first watched the AVGN

[01:32:35] episode I was interested in it just because it was like oh he's talking about 3DO that console I

[01:32:42] really like for some reason what the hell is this game my my whole experience with that was I

[01:32:49] was watching AVGN consistently at that time you know I was a I was a big AVGN fan for many years

[01:32:56] I think I started watching him in 2007 when he was on game trailers instead of YouTube because YouTube

[01:33:01] is being really weird about that stuff back then um and I would you know I anticipated it all the

[01:33:08] time and I would rewatch those videos even with like the bad buffering that we had so I would

[01:33:14] so watching like a 10 minute video was like a half hour event just to get the thing to go

[01:33:18] yeah and then I remember when he did this one like he had mentioned the 3DO before and I'd you

[01:33:23] know heard it like being thrown around as like this failed console that was like really expensive

[01:33:29] um people were kind of comparing I think to the ps3 because like the ps3 came in at a really

[01:33:34] high price and didn't start out too strong it eventually figured itself out but 3DO never did

[01:33:39] obviously that's why the show exists um and so like him getting a little bit more in depth with

[01:33:46] 3DO you know talking more about it I got a curious curiosity to the system especially with the stuff

[01:33:53] he was showing especially and I've always had an affinity for FMV games anyways um and then yeah

[01:33:59] the plumbers don't advertise video was baffling I think but when he did that I think he was back on

[01:34:04] YouTube full-time at that point yes he was so yeah so watching that when it was the new thing I was

[01:34:10] like what this is fucking crazy you know and then I didn't think about it that much you know

[01:34:16] I would watch it here there and get a good giggle out of it and then I think it was in the last like

[01:34:21] I think five years I think plumbers became more of a like a talking point amongst like other people

[01:34:28] in the industry you know what I mean I think I think it was just it was its turn to finally get a

[01:34:33] little a little shine you know yeah but I won't be surprised if like say a year from now we all go

[01:34:39] back to forget to not remembering this game oh yeah this is going to be one of those like

[01:34:43] things that you'll see occasionally at like a flea market or in like a retro game store just

[01:34:47] sitting on a shelf and people are like oh yeah that was a thing yeah yeah if I ever find a physical

[01:34:54] of this for the Xbox I will buy it just just to throw it on the shelf down there so it can sit next

[01:35:01] to the Witcher 3 cyberpunk fucking one piece Odyssey hi-hawks and fucking like Quannabrake you know

[01:35:09] where it deserves to sit yeah yeah honestly like this honestly this was like probably one of the most

[01:35:19] when I started 3DO like before we rebooted it earlier last year late last year like this was like

[01:35:27] I thought was going to be like the big like the pinnacle of the series and like when we finally

[01:35:32] reached the end but the way we've done it now it's just kind of was like it was inevitable we were

[01:35:37] going to cover this game yeah yeah would we start to do in this it was like oh we got to do that

[01:35:43] eventually but I think we had said that when the we'll wait till the remaster comes out because then

[01:35:47] it'll be a little bit more timely to talk about it so and I'm kind of worked out I'm glad we did it

[01:35:54] now because like that was just the whole adventure of going through and learning all this shit was

[01:36:00] honestly some of the most interesting stuff I've like looked into in a long time like oh yeah

[01:36:05] this this game is a rabbit hole that still isn't even complete yet like I'm hoping in the future we'll

[01:36:11] find out more like learning about this game is kind of like learning about like a like a weird

[01:36:16] cult b movie you know like learning about this game is kind of a similar way to learning about

[01:36:23] like old random b movies you know like it's like that like movies and stuff which is always kind

[01:36:28] of fascinating it's like that 90s fantastic four movie that never got released like that yeah

[01:36:34] it's a really interesting backstory to it yeah or like that Nick Cage Superman thing that didn't

[01:36:39] happen which is a shame because that would have been awesome or the the army hammer justice league with

[01:36:44] that army hammer is Batman like yeah yeah weird stuff yeah like basically between Batman and Robin

[01:36:53] in 97 and Batman begins in 2005 there was a lot of failed attempts to to for DC movies

[01:37:02] yet you're all very interesting to hear about you know but yeah so we kept it under two hours

[01:37:10] so good good for us well we did it we finally got this albatross off our neck yeah feels good

[01:37:16] feels good doesn't it what's like the next big like hot oh yeah we have to we should probably

[01:37:21] ask figure out what our next game is going to be but I'm I'm I'm go ahead I was going to say like

[01:37:26] what's the next big like mega like like well known game like I'm thinking of like some of the ones

[01:37:31] that like people always bring up like we'll get to gex eventually that's that's farther down the line

[01:37:37] oh you don't want to do gex next I mean if you watch I figured we'd wait a bit for like a

[01:37:43] significant thing but then again well well I was thinking like the limited run thing we don't

[01:37:49] know anything about it we don't know and the hell it's going to come out and it's going to be

[01:37:53] the trilogy so we could always revisit it to talk about the sequels true I mean we could do

[01:37:59] gex next that figure that would be a fun one something an actual game we're actually do stuff

[01:38:07] one of like the four platformers on the 3DO and I that might be generous honestly

[01:38:11] I mean I'm looking I'm looking at my stuff up there you don't have escape from Monster Manor yet

[01:38:18] I don't yet that's no I gotta get my tax money back first

[01:38:27] I'm thinking do you do you want to do gex or you don't do wing commander

[01:38:33] just based upon how much time it would take I'd prefer gex because gex might be easier

[01:38:38] yeah wing commander I want to actually like take some time and actually play

[01:38:43] that's fair so yeah yeah you're fuck it let's do gex okay I think I think it's time we've done

[01:38:49] one big one let's see the other big one yeah I mean the only other mega like major like well-known

[01:38:55] 3DO game just because of the company behind it is probably way of the warrior but I that's going

[01:39:01] to be a big crossover I have a feeling because I already had no a number of people that want to

[01:39:06] join us for that yeah we'll say that we'll make that a collab episode yeah because I'm not

[01:39:12] gonna have much to say outside of this game sucks yeah I mean that's spoilers that's another one

[01:39:18] that um I feel like the behind the scenes are more interesting the actual game itself yeah but I

[01:39:24] feel like next time we should talk about a game proper yeah so yeah let's do gex but do you want

[01:39:29] to do gex next week or do you want to do like say like a filler in between in the following

[01:39:34] I want to give it two weeks okay because I don't I don't know how long it's gonna take me to

[01:39:38] beat gex and I want to give myself enough time to play through it okay um so yeah next week then we

[01:39:46] should probably cover something do you want it do you want to cover that a Jurassic Park game

[01:39:55] Jurassic Park Indirective as like a filler because that's a filler episode game yeah I mean I'll

[01:40:00] have to emulate because I don't own it but oh you don't I do it's been on my list I want to

[01:40:08] cover it oh boy oh I have this sucker to be fair well I don't say too much but you know if you want

[01:40:18] let me check the lovely eBay to see what it's going for right now I didn't pay that much for it

[01:40:26] Jurassic Park

[01:40:31] Interactive 3DO

[01:40:35] Oh the jewel case is 18 bucks well there you go oh the long long box I paid I paid like 30 bucks for

[01:40:43] my long box 30 yeah there's a 62 no no thank you so there's this one that doesn't have the manual

[01:40:57] and it looks kind of shitty but that's fine as long as the game works I don't I don't think

[01:41:05] you're missing much if you don't get the long box in fact

[01:41:09] for me open mine up and I'll and I'll show you let's see you open it and you get

[01:41:16] you get the disc and the manual just popped out so that's all you get unless this copy

[01:41:23] didn't have the extra stuff but it doesn't look like there's a room for other stuff

[01:41:29] yeah um so this one's like 30 bucks I might jump on this one yeah go for it

[01:41:37] well let's see they do I get that one for 30 I go for the 35

[01:41:43] that's nice and better condition but still doesn't have the manual

[01:41:47] hmm so actually at that point I might as well go for the cheaper one

[01:41:53] yeah you're honestly getting a jewel case with the manual would probably be good enough

[01:41:58] yeah I'll go for this one that's cheaper I mean even if it doesn't play great I can still

[01:42:03] I can emulate it I just like to have the long box I get that

[01:42:10] yeah so next week we'll talk about Jurassic Park Interactive and then the following week

[01:42:14] we'll talk about gecks yes all animals all the time

[01:42:20] looking for the mystery man

[01:42:25] could be now but uh yeah so once again guys thank you for joining us on the 3DO experience

[01:42:32] 3DO experience can be found on all the major podcasting platforms and where you're now on youtube

[01:42:37] with occasional well actually with of along with video versions not occasional for this show

[01:42:41] um and yeah if you'd like you can find all of our links at link to your slash the barber who

[01:42:46] games and you can join the gnc podcast network discord server talk all things gaming collecting

[01:42:51] 3DO experience geek addicts talk gaming anime any sorts of nonsense over there

[01:42:56] and with that everybody we will see you all later bye bye

[01:43:11] yeah