EP 70 - Final Fantasy VII: Rebirth | Review (Spoiler Safe!)

[00:00:00] The next time that I come to visit, we'll do the traditional, we'll send Greg off on the bus.

[00:00:06] There's a cafe near and where?

[00:00:08] I was just gonna say, we'll go to a cafe.

[00:00:10] Yes!

[00:00:12] Yeah.

[00:00:13] I was gonna say exactly where it was in Doxy, but then I realized...

[00:00:30] Welcome back to Super Ghost Radio.

[00:00:53] I am your host, Jerry, and as always, most of the time, and a hundred percent today, I am going to be joined.

[00:01:00] Bye, my two best friends, Greg and Beth.

[00:01:03] What's up guys?

[00:01:05] Hello.

[00:01:06] Sitting around, recording the pod.

[00:01:09] Jerry, when you introduced yourself before, did you used to say Jerry with a G?

[00:01:15] Because I don't know why I think you're gonna say it every single time.

[00:01:19] That's a Mandela effect.

[00:01:20] Exactly one time.

[00:01:21] That's a Mandela effect.

[00:01:22] That's never happened.

[00:01:24] I am not kidding you.

[00:01:27] I've expected it every time we do this.

[00:01:30] I also spell my name with a J.

[00:01:33] No, you don't.

[00:01:35] I'm literally trying to find a way to change my name in this podcast call like through a J.

[00:01:41] Let the gaslighting begin.

[00:01:43] I know that is untrue.

[00:01:45] But of all things to gaslight over, that's the one thing that is not even up for debate.

[00:01:50] I can see your name.

[00:01:53] I accidentally call you guys.

[00:01:55] I mix up your names when I'm not talking to you guys all the time.

[00:01:59] I've also matched them together when I'm talking to third parties because you both start with Gs.

[00:02:06] At the beginning of our friendship, I was very confused by who was who.

[00:02:12] Our friendship, you were confused?

[00:02:14] No, when three of us started talking to each other, I kept referring to you guys as the opposite.

[00:02:23] When I was talking to family and other friends.

[00:02:28] My two best friends, a couple of Gs.

[00:02:31] Well, it was Gerg.

[00:02:34] Gerg?

[00:02:36] No.

[00:02:38] Come on, you can do better.

[00:02:40] You're glaring.

[00:02:42] So it's like you became like you did that mother thing with a lot of sons.

[00:02:48] Oh my God.

[00:02:50] Is my mom not the only one?

[00:02:52] No, everybody.

[00:02:54] Who does your mom confuse you with?

[00:02:56] Because I'm one of three boys.

[00:02:58] My mom confuses me.

[00:03:00] This is bad maybe because she confuses me with people that aren't even blood.

[00:03:04] She'll just start going through a roster of people and then I am the last one on that list that she finally hits.

[00:03:12] So that happens well.

[00:03:14] Of course you're the last one, Gerg.

[00:03:16] She's gonna keep going.

[00:03:20] That would be amazing.

[00:03:24] I think she may have done that before.

[00:03:26] That would be more funny because it's like, oh, I forgot your name so bad that I like said it and kept going because I'm like, no, that's not this one.

[00:03:34] I can't do this.

[00:03:36] Who are you?

[00:03:38] That's not this child.

[00:03:40] Oh my God, I love that.

[00:03:42] Shit.

[00:03:44] I'm just pissed at me.

[00:03:46] She would yell at me when she went to go like, you're like, bad.

[00:03:50] She'd call me Bailey instead.

[00:03:54] All this time your brother thinks he's just getting yelled at.

[00:03:56] He's like in his room just like rocking back and forth being like they're always yelling at me for no reason.

[00:04:03] No, no, it's because she's just so used to getting upset with Bailey that when she got upset with me, Bailey was the first name that came out.

[00:04:12] She listens to this. You should definitely cut this out.

[00:04:15] She listens to this.

[00:04:17] I forget.

[00:04:19] It's like there's a The Simpsons episode where I think it's the one where Lisa first goes vegetarian and like she sabotages the barbecue and Marge is like, Bart, no.

[00:04:32] Yeah.

[00:04:34] And Bart's next story is like, what?

[00:04:37] What?

[00:04:39] Yeah.

[00:04:41] That's so true.

[00:04:43] Well, we didn't come here to discuss the roster of names that our moms like to go through.

[00:04:47] We have come here.

[00:04:49] We have gathered here today to talk about.

[00:04:53] Namaste.

[00:04:55] To talk about is not another life than Final Fantasy.

[00:05:00] Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth has been my life for the last checking watch, like two months or something.

[00:05:09] About a month.

[00:05:11] How long has this been out?

[00:05:13] It's like, well, it's a came out.

[00:05:15] It came on the last day of February and it's like the beginning, the first week of April.

[00:05:19] So it's just March.

[00:05:21] Yeah. Okay.

[00:05:23] So well, March is the longest month.

[00:05:25] So or something like that.

[00:05:28] I think March.

[00:05:30] No, Jerry.

[00:05:32] Jerry was starting.

[00:05:34] Yeah.

[00:05:36] But 31 is the longest and there's multiple of them.

[00:05:39] March itself is not the longest month.

[00:05:42] Wait, they're, oh man, I'm having a moment.

[00:05:46] I thought March was the only.

[00:05:48] You're talking to me.

[00:05:50] I'm having a stroke apparently.

[00:05:53] Are you?

[00:05:54] Yeah, you're not.

[00:05:56] I'm having a stroke for some reason.

[00:05:58] No, this is not a bit.

[00:06:00] You got March on the only month that had 31 days.

[00:06:02] Not like December or, you know.

[00:06:06] So Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth has been the thing that I've been playing in the long.

[00:06:14] No, stop it.

[00:06:16] No, no, no, no, no, no.

[00:06:18] Halloween's on the 30th.

[00:06:21] But yeah, I've been playing a lot of Final Fantasy 7.

[00:06:24] Beth, you played the bare minimum Final Fantasy 7 and Greg, you've been,

[00:06:28] you haven't purchased the game, but you've been, you've been watching.

[00:06:32] I've been enjoying it like television.

[00:06:34] Yes.

[00:06:35] So we are, we are all, you know, fairly well versed in the world of Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth.

[00:06:42] Greg, you haven't finished it yet.

[00:06:44] So.

[00:06:45] No, I'm still, there's still a few episodes.

[00:06:48] Okay.

[00:06:49] So what, what, what I'll say is we, we will not be spoiling anything until like the back part of this episode.

[00:07:01] So feel free to listen very casually.

[00:07:04] Don't worry.

[00:07:05] We're not going to spoil anything.

[00:07:07] And through the power of editing, if something slips through the cracks, I'll get it.

[00:07:11] And you can rest assured, like, because Greg has not seen really like the end part of this game.

[00:07:19] So like none of those end spoilers until the very end and even just like spoilers through it, throughout the game, we're going to kind of start off by just kind of, you know, given our take on what we thought of like the gameplay, the style, the soundtrack, stuff like that.

[00:07:35] And then we'll, then we'll get into some spoiler territory.

[00:07:40] So with that out of the way, first, before we get into our review of Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth, why don't we just get caught up real quick on what we've been doing.

[00:07:50] Now I know Greg has something to share, something that he's hyped up a lot, which he now says that he hyped up too much.

[00:07:58] But I'm dying to know Greg, what are you even playing?

[00:08:03] So I've been playing a lot of what's it called?

[00:08:10] Elden Ring, that's that game. That's what it's called.

[00:08:13] Wow.

[00:08:15] Yeah, playing a lot of Elden Ring these days.

[00:08:19] I was doing the co-op file and then started playing just like a new character.

[00:08:25] And I am like a full convert where like, I need some kind of magic.

[00:08:30] I used to either be like just purely decks or purely strength, usually decks.

[00:08:34] But now when I play, like, I'm like, I need a spell, man.

[00:08:37] I was like, why wouldn't I have an extra tool in my kit?

[00:08:40] Give me a spell.

[00:08:42] Give me a spell.

[00:08:44] So I've been playing that.

[00:08:49] Well, you would you had mentioned on the last episode when Beth wasn't here that your saves got wiped.

[00:08:56] So they didn't actually what?

[00:08:58] No, they didn't because part of the mod is making an adjustment to your backups.

[00:09:06] So it works with the multiplayer mod.

[00:09:08] And what I did realize is that those characters that are part of that you that are part of the multiplayer mod can't then be just like used in like the normal release there.

[00:09:18] Purely with mod characters.

[00:09:19] So I have my characters, but they're in the land of the mods of the little end of the mod game.

[00:09:26] Okay.

[00:09:27] That's so they're still there.

[00:09:29] I can still access them in like if I if we go load up the co-op mod.

[00:09:33] So I was well and good with that.

[00:09:37] Nice.

[00:09:39] Anything else?

[00:09:41] Just other thing that I've been playing that I that I overhyped is so I was kind of like being like, man,

[00:09:47] I want to play something.

[00:09:48] Well, it's kind of it's kind of a twofold thing.

[00:09:51] So I want to play something different.

[00:09:56] And I wanted to be able to relate to my girlfriend.

[00:09:59] So my girlfriend has exactly one major interest in this world.

[00:10:06] And that is sins.

[00:10:09] No.

[00:10:12] Her like her biggest interest in the world right now is formula one.

[00:10:19] And I don't I don't really like like, I don't dislike it.

[00:10:24] I don't I don't love it.

[00:10:26] But I got there.

[00:10:28] You're trying to support it.

[00:10:29] You're trying to get it.

[00:10:30] I was like, you know what?

[00:10:31] Yeah.

[00:10:32] Let me see if I can do something to relate to her better.

[00:10:38] And be able to participate in conversation and maybe even develop an interest.

[00:10:44] So I downloaded F1 23 F123, which was part of March's March's PS Plus games.

[00:10:56] I think it's also a game pass.

[00:10:58] And it is a very good simulation racing game.

[00:11:03] Really?

[00:11:04] And I've been like, I've been like, I don't want to say I've been addicted.

[00:11:09] But it's also the only thing I want to do when I get home from work.

[00:11:12] No way.

[00:11:13] It's put on 2023 because it's such a fun game.

[00:11:17] You know what unrelated?

[00:11:19] Well, I mean sort of related.

[00:11:20] I actually recently myself was told to get into F1 and I started watching that Netflix series.

[00:11:30] Oh, the the drive to survive.

[00:11:32] Yeah.

[00:11:33] That's fucking good, man.

[00:11:34] And I don't even I knew nothing had no interest whatsoever in F1 like going into it and by

[00:11:39] like two episodes in, I was like, fuck, I guess I like F1.

[00:11:42] Like this is cool.

[00:11:44] It's it's really well done.

[00:11:47] But that's really interesting.

[00:11:48] Yeah, she keeps telling me to watch Drive to survive.

[00:11:50] And I was like, maybe I will because so do I.

[00:11:55] So I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,

[00:11:58] do I so the great experiment.

[00:12:00] Do I care more about F1?

[00:12:04] No, but it's a really good game and it's a lot of fun to play.

[00:12:09] Sweet.

[00:12:10] Yeah.

[00:12:11] Interesting.

[00:12:12] If you've got like a because I remember you said to me once that you're you enjoy

[00:12:16] a simulation race or I think you told me I do.

[00:12:18] Yeah, I grew up playing those grand tarismos.

[00:12:21] Yeah.

[00:12:22] So it's just like just simulation enough and like you can get super granular with

[00:12:26] it.

[00:12:27] And if you want to make it like as simulation is you want to get is like

[00:12:30] the driving physics and choosing what tires are appropriate.

[00:12:32] That's as far as you can go if you want, but you can get even more granular

[00:12:35] if you want.

[00:12:36] Okay.

[00:12:37] Yeah.

[00:12:38] Interesting.

[00:12:39] I've been playing a ton of it.

[00:12:40] I'd be lying if I if I if I didn't say I wanted to go play it right now this

[00:12:45] second, but I like how every time that you talk about a game on your

[00:12:49] PlayStation five, you look over at it and I can tell when you do it.

[00:12:54] Every, every single time because you just looked at your PS five, didn't

[00:13:00] you know I looked at my second monitor, but I feel like there's been a

[00:13:07] bunch of times that you've referred to playing things on your PS five

[00:13:11] and then your voice kind of goes like this as if you're looking over

[00:13:15] at your PS five being like, I got you buddy.

[00:13:17] I talk about my PlayStation five minutes in the room with me.

[00:13:19] I must address it directly.

[00:13:21] Otherwise, I'm not rude.

[00:13:24] You're like, I'm not going to talk about it.

[00:13:27] It's not here.

[00:13:28] Yeah.

[00:13:29] It's in the room.

[00:13:30] Yeah.

[00:13:31] Beth, besides Final Fantasy seven, what have you been up to?

[00:13:37] I played and my played loved and finished unicorn overlord.

[00:13:44] Okay.

[00:13:45] Okay.

[00:13:46] Yeah.

[00:13:48] That was a good game.

[00:13:50] Yeah.

[00:13:51] No, it was really good.

[00:13:53] I really liked it.

[00:13:55] I don't think it was good as 13 Sentinels, but that's only because

[00:14:03] I am someone who cares more about story than gameplay and story.

[00:14:11] The story of 13 Sentinels was the main point, the focal point of that

[00:14:19] game and the combat was secondary.

[00:14:22] It literally was in another screen.

[00:14:25] Whereas with with Unicorn Overlord, it was the story definitely

[00:14:32] felt like relatively secondary to like the combat.

[00:14:39] But I will say the combat was really fun.

[00:14:43] I actually had a great time.

[00:14:45] I did all of the side quests that I could do because I just

[00:14:49] really enjoyed doing the doing like the, because it's like kind

[00:14:54] of RTS.

[00:14:55] So I, and you make your unit.

[00:14:58] I mean, it's kind of, isn't it full RTS?

[00:15:00] I thought it was like.

[00:15:02] Well, I would say it's like a mix between RTS, but it has

[00:15:07] elements that remind me of more of fire emblems.

[00:15:10] So there's like a bit more, you have units of six that you put

[00:15:16] together and you kind of build them up or whatever.

[00:15:20] And then those units are then represented on the screen as one

[00:15:23] character and then that character gets a buff.

[00:15:26] And then yes, then it's like the RTS aspect to it.

[00:15:29] But when you go into two units, your unit and an enemy

[00:15:34] unit needs, it does like that fire emblem zoom in.

[00:15:38] And then like there, they're like, yeah.

[00:15:42] And then depending on how you built your characters within

[00:15:46] the unit, then there's almost like an order of operations

[00:15:50] that happens as they like auto battle the enemy unit that

[00:15:54] also has like their order of operations and so was it

[00:15:57] was a very long game?

[00:16:00] I think if you like didn't do everything, then no.

[00:16:05] I played for.

[00:16:07] Is there like, is there side quests and stuff you mean?

[00:16:09] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:16:10] There's like a lot of like extra stuff because you're

[00:16:13] building out an army.

[00:16:15] So there's a certain amount of characters that you're just

[00:16:17] going to get a part of like that are going to join your

[00:16:20] army if you just do the main story because you need to

[00:16:23] have like enough units to beat fucking game, right?

[00:16:27] But there's a lot.

[00:16:29] There's like a decent amount of units you can recruit from

[00:16:31] doing side quests.

[00:16:32] So whenever I was like, you know, you go exploring like

[00:16:37] you're because it's all kind of like overworld maps.

[00:16:40] So you're kind of running around on the overworld for

[00:16:42] the kind of yeah, for the most part.

[00:16:45] There's running around.

[00:16:47] Yeah, yeah.

[00:16:48] So it's like character.

[00:16:50] Yeah.

[00:16:51] So you play your the main character is a prince named

[00:16:56] Elaine and he like you control his little avatar on

[00:17:02] the overworld.

[00:17:03] So it's all overworld running around and all of the

[00:17:06] units.

[00:17:07] Wait, yeah, for some I have so many questions for some

[00:17:11] reason, I just I picture these vanilla where games

[00:17:14] being mostly 2D.

[00:17:17] Is this like a top?

[00:17:19] Is it down?

[00:17:20] Yeah, top down like eight directional movement.

[00:17:24] Yeah.

[00:17:25] When you're on the overworld and when you're like going

[00:17:27] between like the cutscenes are 2D.

[00:17:32] Yeah, like flat 2D like vanilla.

[00:17:35] I like that because they do they fucking vanilla where it

[00:17:39] was 2D like the best.

[00:17:41] It's beautiful.

[00:17:42] Like the all of the character designs are just

[00:17:44] impeccable.

[00:17:46] And it was yeah, like beautiful game.

[00:17:49] Like but that's nonquit like that's was never

[00:17:52] in question.

[00:17:53] Now or just does it so good.

[00:17:55] But so yeah, like the cutscenes are that 2D but all

[00:18:00] of the movement is yeah top down like that isometric

[00:18:07] like you know zoomed out your like like you would

[00:18:11] think of like old like RPG games where you between

[00:18:15] towns you run around in the overworld and it's

[00:18:17] like a little avatar character and you see like

[00:18:19] the little towns pop up and like the forts and stuff.

[00:18:23] So it's all that.

[00:18:25] So you're just running around over on an overworld.

[00:18:28] I'm going to have to check that out.

[00:18:30] It's great.

[00:18:31] It's so fun.

[00:18:33] And the characters were the characters are like cute.

[00:18:36] None of them are I wouldn't say any of them

[00:18:38] like really like stood out or anything special,

[00:18:41] but it's like serviceable for what it was going

[00:18:45] for and the design there's this like evil wizard

[00:18:52] and you see him like at the beginning and his

[00:18:54] design is so good.

[00:18:56] I love his design and the way that they make

[00:18:58] his like Kate like they animate him and his

[00:19:01] like Kate that's always blowing in the wind

[00:19:03] even indoors.

[00:19:05] I love it.

[00:19:06] I love him.

[00:19:07] I love his design so much.

[00:19:09] Well speaking of design, I guess to kind of shine

[00:19:14] a light on what I've been up to.

[00:19:16] I went back to Elden Ring too and I, you know,

[00:19:21] as I've said in the last few episodes here,

[00:19:23] I've kind of became like an overnight Berserk fanboy

[00:19:27] and I decided to make guts build in Elden Ring

[00:19:32] because I think I'm actually going to play the DLC

[00:19:35] when it drops, which is soon.

[00:19:37] Oh my God.

[00:19:38] That's sooner than I thought.

[00:19:40] I'd seen them.

[00:19:42] I re-relooked at the release date and I was like,

[00:19:45] fuck that's like next month.

[00:19:47] Did you see the thing talking about Yoshi P?

[00:19:52] Talked about how he wanted to do the release.

[00:19:55] Not what it wanted to did.

[00:19:57] Yeah.

[00:19:58] I love it.

[00:20:01] If anybody, he basically was like,

[00:20:03] I know everyone's a play.

[00:20:04] He was like, oh, and then he was like,

[00:20:06] I want to play it.

[00:20:07] Yeah.

[00:20:08] I think that's so great.

[00:20:09] I don't know.

[00:20:10] Yeah.

[00:20:11] Yoshi P is the, I guess the mastermind behind Final Fantasy 14

[00:20:14] online and he made like the statement saying like

[00:20:18] they were going to release, what's the new thing called?

[00:20:22] Dawn trail.

[00:20:23] Dawn trail.

[00:20:24] They were going to release like the new big part of Final Fantasy

[00:20:27] 14 sooner, but he was like, yeah,

[00:20:29] but then that other thing is coming out and they're like,

[00:20:31] what are the things?

[00:20:32] And he was like, you know, the Elden Ring DLC.

[00:20:35] I want to play that.

[00:20:37] That's great.

[00:20:38] Yeah.

[00:20:39] Shadows of the earth tree or something.

[00:20:41] Shadow of the earth tree.

[00:20:42] Yeah.

[00:20:43] See, I look at this.

[00:20:44] I know these things.

[00:20:45] I listen to you guys.

[00:20:46] But yeah, it was like, you have one week.

[00:20:48] So,

[00:20:49] Sorry to sort of derail us.

[00:20:51] I just got a text message to my Google chat,

[00:20:53] which I never use and it's just says if you,

[00:20:57] if you join, I will call you personally just for you

[00:21:00] visit signed night bum.

[00:21:02] And that's a block.

[00:21:07] Classic night bum.

[00:21:09] Yeah.

[00:21:10] So I made a,

[00:21:11] I made a guts build and it's, you know,

[00:21:15] it's exactly what you would think if you're familiar with

[00:21:17] Berserk.

[00:21:18] He's just a fucking Chad ass strength guy.

[00:21:24] Like,

[00:21:25] I, you know,

[00:21:27] I followed a like a light guide of how to,

[00:21:32] I guess,

[00:21:33] restructure my character to like,

[00:21:35] for the stats to line up and stuff.

[00:21:37] And it's really cool because normally I was like a,

[00:21:41] kind of like a,

[00:21:42] a sorta like a dex build.

[00:21:44] And I was like you Greg,

[00:21:45] I always kind of always wanted,

[00:21:47] I always want to,

[00:21:50] I always kind of wanted,

[00:21:54] In my head,

[00:21:58] it sounded like a horse.

[00:22:00] I've always like,

[00:22:03] been like that dex build.

[00:22:05] I always want like some magic on hand.

[00:22:07] But of course this guts build is just full strength.

[00:22:13] And I'm not used to that.

[00:22:15] So it got,

[00:22:16] it took me a minute to get used to like having a colossal

[00:22:19] sword and just swinging that thing around super slow.

[00:22:24] But like,

[00:22:25] Holy fuck dude.

[00:22:26] When you do a charge attack,

[00:22:28] like with the right,

[00:22:30] like the,

[00:22:31] I can't remember what the name of them are.

[00:22:33] Like the charms or whatever,

[00:22:34] like the, the talismans and stuff.

[00:22:36] Yeah.

[00:22:37] With the right ones equipped,

[00:22:38] like boost like your charges and stuff like that.

[00:22:41] Dude,

[00:22:42] the damage output is absurd.

[00:22:45] But yeah,

[00:22:46] so when I rebuilt my character for the guts build,

[00:22:50] I was only missing one boss that I never beat.

[00:22:55] It's an optional boss and I never beat it.

[00:22:57] And that's the plus city.

[00:23:00] Yo,

[00:23:01] sax city,

[00:23:02] sax city,

[00:23:03] sax,

[00:23:04] yeah,

[00:23:05] I'm sure I can.

[00:23:06] Positis X.

[00:23:07] Yup.

[00:23:08] That was pretty tough.

[00:23:09] Got to say.

[00:23:10] Yeah.

[00:23:11] I was a tough fucking fight,

[00:23:13] but I did it.

[00:23:14] I did it as guts and it felt pretty awesome.

[00:23:17] And yeah,

[00:23:19] I'm,

[00:23:20] I'm all in.

[00:23:21] I'm going to,

[00:23:22] I'm going to be playing that shadow of the earth tree

[00:23:25] as none other than guts.

[00:23:28] Hmm.

[00:23:29] Guts berserk man.

[00:23:32] And,

[00:23:33] Oh well,

[00:23:34] speaking of things that are titled like that,

[00:23:36] like guts berserk man.

[00:23:38] Greg,

[00:23:39] you were very happy to know

[00:23:41] that I started playing

[00:23:43] some goddamn Metal Gear solid.

[00:23:45] Hell yeah.

[00:23:46] Yep.

[00:23:47] Finally.

[00:23:48] Never really played

[00:23:51] Metal Gear one,

[00:23:53] two,

[00:23:54] three,

[00:23:55] four,

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[00:24:21] 29,

[00:24:22] in the viewer's right being as cinematic as it was

[00:24:25] on PlayStation One on 1999.

[00:24:27] Like,

[00:24:28] I was,

[00:24:29] I was like kind of

[00:24:30] baffled.

[00:24:31] Like,

[00:24:32] as I'm getting into the game,

[00:24:33] Like,

[00:24:34] for a few hours,

[00:24:35] I'm like,

[00:24:36] so wait,

[00:24:37] this is fully voice-acted?

[00:24:40] This is crazy.

[00:24:41] It's

[00:24:43] like

[00:24:44] old Kujima

[00:24:45] was great

[00:24:46] because like he wouldn't make concessions on things.

[00:24:48] And if he wanted to be fully voice acted,

[00:24:50] he would do it and like he would credit the actors like it was a movie because he

[00:24:55] this was like when his big thing was movies, but it wasn't his only thing.

[00:25:00] You know? Yeah.

[00:25:01] So that's why you get such a cinematic experience.

[00:25:04] But even to like I want to now I'm not I'm not far into two,

[00:25:08] but even even so, like two is like fucking crazy.

[00:25:13] Like just the twists and turns that they're throwing at you

[00:25:16] like left, right and center and like building up this crazy,

[00:25:19] like anime ass, like story of these.

[00:25:24] I mean, I just ran into vamp and what's her name?

[00:25:28] Fortune. Yeah.

[00:25:30] Yeah, those two just ran into those two last night.

[00:25:33] So good. I'm going to continue playing it.

[00:25:36] Probably do an episode on retro rehab

[00:25:40] as like a Metal Gear Solid one to three retrospect, eventually.

[00:25:44] Greg, you and I and Aaron can probably do that one

[00:25:48] because you are the you're the resident Metal Gear expert.

[00:25:52] You know a lot about it.

[00:25:53] I was like texting you.

[00:25:55] I texted you a picture of a room I was in.

[00:25:57] You were like, yeah, just do this.

[00:25:59] Like it's like you remember it so vividly.

[00:26:03] I've just played a lot of what's this?

[00:26:05] When you talk about Metal Gear Solid one or two, because I played a lot of two.

[00:26:08] Yeah, yeah, a lot of two.

[00:26:09] So like you can send me pretty much any

[00:26:12] individual room from two and tell me what you're trying to do.

[00:26:16] And I'll tell you exactly how to do it.

[00:26:18] It's difficult, though.

[00:26:19] I'll say that it's like Metal Gear Solid two.

[00:26:23] The difficulty spike from Metal Gear Solid one is crazy.

[00:26:27] Like I literally I literally turned off Metal Gear Solid one

[00:26:31] and then started Metal Gear Solid two.

[00:26:33] And instantly I was like, oh, this is a hard game.

[00:26:37] This is not an easy game.

[00:26:39] Beth, why is there two of you?

[00:26:42] What?

[00:26:46] What do you mean?

[00:26:47] There's two.

[00:26:49] Now there's only one.

[00:26:49] There you there were two of you in.

[00:26:52] In.

[00:26:55] What the fuck is going on?

[00:27:00] It's OK.

[00:27:01] Oh, shit.

[00:27:03] I'm going to have to edit this so much.

[00:27:04] But all this all this all this crazy shit is getting put into a B side

[00:27:09] because it is super fucking funny.

[00:27:11] All I tried to do was mute my mic.

[00:27:13] I don't know why.

[00:27:14] It duplicated you.

[00:27:16] How?

[00:27:17] I don't know.

[00:27:18] You like joined again somehow.

[00:27:20] There's four of us in this call.

[00:27:28] Shit.

[00:27:29] Anyway, but yeah, that's what that's what I've been doing.

[00:27:33] A lot of Metal Gear.

[00:27:35] How far are you in Metal Gear right now?

[00:27:39] I just got to the point where I have to start freezing those bombs.

[00:27:44] Hmm. OK, you haven't got you haven't

[00:27:47] given fat man yet?

[00:27:49] No, I have not.

[00:27:52] But I assume that's coming up soon because they've been talking about them a lot.

[00:27:56] How do you like having like no radar until you access a node?

[00:28:00] I don't know.

[00:28:01] It's that's what I mean.

[00:28:02] It's fucking hard, dude.

[00:28:03] Like I've gotten so used to relying on that radar

[00:28:07] that like without it, I'm like, holy fuck, like it.

[00:28:10] The thing that I really like about it, though, is that

[00:28:13] it's for like introducing all of these new mechanics.

[00:28:17] It forces you to really think outside the box.

[00:28:21] And I think that's why.

[00:28:23] Even now, I would say like, man, the Metal Gear games are like

[00:28:28] that's how you do a stealth game.

[00:28:31] Because it's I don't know.

[00:28:32] Like there's something about it like, yeah, sure.

[00:28:34] Like Assassin's Creed and shit.

[00:28:35] Like you can hide and climb up everything and do whatever.

[00:28:38] I mean, it's a totally different kind of style of a stealth game.

[00:28:43] But as far as like this kind of thing goes, man, it's I don't know.

[00:28:47] It's something about it.

[00:28:48] Like the controls are tight.

[00:28:50] I feel like when I fuck up, it's that's on me.

[00:28:54] It's not because the game is cheap.

[00:28:56] It's like, no, that was me.

[00:28:58] I rushed it.

[00:28:58] I did something too quickly.

[00:28:59] I didn't think things through.

[00:29:01] I didn't analyze the situation or the room enough

[00:29:05] because like every time I get clear of a room,

[00:29:08] I'm like, oh, if I had just done that that way from the beginning,

[00:29:12] like I would have been through this in no time.

[00:29:15] So it's really fun.

[00:29:17] Like I just I'm having a blast with these games, man.

[00:29:21] And and you're saying that three is even like it's the best.

[00:29:24] Like that's crazy to me.

[00:29:26] If three is the best,

[00:29:27] that is this three is going to fucking blow my mind then

[00:29:30] because three is so good.

[00:29:31] Anyone else about three?

[00:29:33] No radar at all.

[00:29:35] Is three what walker?

[00:29:37] Three piece walker is like a spin off of three.

[00:29:40] What's three?

[00:29:42] Three is snake eater.

[00:29:44] Right. I have that song.

[00:29:46] I like that song. It's a great song.

[00:29:48] Yeah, good stuff.

[00:29:50] I have that song.

[00:29:52] But no rate.

[00:29:53] No radar at all in Melgar Solid 3.

[00:29:57] My God.

[00:29:58] Well, I can't wait.

[00:30:00] Can't wait.

[00:30:02] But wait no longer because it is time.

[00:30:06] Beth, are you ready?

[00:30:08] I know that you've been you've been dreading this this day

[00:30:11] that you're going to have to talk about this.

[00:30:14] Let us get into the final fantasy seven

[00:30:17] rebirth review again.

[00:30:20] As I said before,

[00:30:22] don't worry, there's not going to be any spoilers right now.

[00:30:25] We'll warn you.

[00:30:26] We'll tell you, there'll be a big fucking spoiler tag.

[00:30:29] And I'll even put it in the episode notes of when we start the spoilers.

[00:30:35] And then that way you can safely listen if you know, maybe you're like,

[00:30:39] hey, what's that fun?

[00:30:40] Fancy seven rebirth all about.

[00:30:41] Should I play that game?

[00:30:43] If you take my advice, then yes.

[00:30:46] If you take if you normally take to Beth's stuff, then probably not.

[00:30:52] But we're going to see.

[00:30:54] You'll find out.

[00:30:57] Yeah, you're going to find out real quick.

[00:30:59] So without further ado, let's get into this right now.

[00:31:06] So first and foremost, game play.

[00:31:12] I will say.

[00:31:14] I love the battle system.

[00:31:18] I like the battle system from the original from from.

[00:31:23] Remake, I thought the battle system or remake was like awesome.

[00:31:29] And to me in this one, they just added on a couple, couple of components

[00:31:33] and just made it better.

[00:31:35] I really like the like the tag team fucking moves that you can do now.

[00:31:41] And like, you know, calling them out.

[00:31:46] It kind of reminds me sometimes of like Greg, you know, in like Street Fighter,

[00:31:51] like some of the like like the Marvel versus Capcom games and stuff

[00:31:57] where you like pick like three different characters and you can like kind of

[00:32:00] have them like jump out and do like a move and then they jump back out.

[00:32:04] Assists. Yes, that.

[00:32:06] Yeah, you like the the team skills?

[00:32:09] Yeah, because that's kind of what it feels like.

[00:32:11] It's like just doing those assists in like Street Fighter and shit.

[00:32:15] Because they just kind of like, I don't know, you just call out on them.

[00:32:19] Even if they're even if the characters aren't in your party,

[00:32:22] you can kind of be like, hey, if you've, I guess, learned certain skills

[00:32:28] because there's like a fairly big skill tree kind of thing that you can use.

[00:32:33] That whole thing wasn't really my favorite thing in the world.

[00:32:38] I got to be honest.

[00:32:39] I didn't care much for that skill tree.

[00:32:42] The was it was the name of that like the books.

[00:32:46] Yeah, they were like

[00:32:48] is it was not portfolio.

[00:32:50] It was something like that.

[00:32:53] Yeah, something similar to that.

[00:32:56] It just is. Yeah, it's like a skill tree type deal.

[00:33:00] I didn't like it much either.

[00:33:02] I felt like

[00:33:05] I didn't enjoy it for a couple of reasons, but I also don't really like

[00:33:09] I kind of like that in the

[00:33:12] in remake they had it so that these things

[00:33:15] like were attached to the weapons themselves.

[00:33:18] So that way you could

[00:33:21] if you wanted to continue to use like, you know, the buster sword

[00:33:26] could you be upgrading the sword itself and all of the skills

[00:33:31] and buffs to your attack and everything that you would get,

[00:33:36] you would get them through upgrading the weapon as well.

[00:33:38] So the weapons were still viable the whole way through.

[00:33:40] If you wanted to get their like

[00:33:43] associated special

[00:33:46] like the skills attached to them, then you did have to use them

[00:33:49] and use that skill enough so that you could then permanently unlock it,

[00:33:52] which did kind of is the same as this.

[00:33:55] But I don't know, I enjoy I enjoyed the way you got skills

[00:33:59] and the way you got like your your things more when it was associated

[00:34:04] with the weapons in the remake than I did.

[00:34:06] Yeah, with the portfolio type thing or whatever they're called in this.

[00:34:10] And I didn't kind of ugly to look at.

[00:34:12] Yeah, I didn't I didn't really like that too much.

[00:34:15] I didn't mind the the stuff with the with the weapons, how like

[00:34:20] they had like their own unique.

[00:34:22] No, that's the same thing as remake and I liked I like that too, because it did

[00:34:26] while it kind of forces you to use the weapon and use that skill.

[00:34:31] And yeah, good with exactly.

[00:34:33] So like even though the weapons themselves were the things that were

[00:34:36] upgradeable so that you could continue to

[00:34:40] use it maybe the whole way through having the skill associated

[00:34:44] with the weapon incentivized you to use the other weapons anyways.

[00:34:48] And then maybe you would just use the weapon hit,

[00:34:51] you know, infinities and six times until you got it unlocked.

[00:34:55] And then you went back to whatever sword you like using.

[00:34:58] But by the way, in families and holy.

[00:35:01] Yeah, when like once it clicked in my brain,

[00:35:04] like when I actually read the description and it was like

[00:35:07] use this on an enemy that staggered.

[00:35:09] Holy shit, does that do some fucking damage?

[00:35:13] Yeah, I don't know how many times I finished a fight

[00:35:16] with every single boss fight.

[00:35:19] I won by staggering the enemy twice and then using infinities and on them.

[00:35:24] Yeah, it's crazy how much you stagger infinities and stagger

[00:35:29] infinities and and then it's over.

[00:35:32] Well, I mean, you know, OK, OK, well disclosure,

[00:35:36] I was I was playing on easy.

[00:35:37] Yeah, I was going to say on on easy.

[00:35:39] Because I don't like because I unlike Jerry actually don't like the combat.

[00:35:46] I don't enjoy the combat for these games.

[00:35:49] And so I was playing on which on easy from the jump

[00:35:54] so that I didn't have to do it as much or at least like I'm not.

[00:35:58] I'm not I'm so glad I'm not going to try to like

[00:36:02] don't take this the wrong way.

[00:36:03] I'm not trying to like be like explain yourself.

[00:36:07] But at the same time, I like I'm just curious because to me,

[00:36:12] this battle system just seems like a more refined and polished

[00:36:16] Kingdom Hearts battle system.

[00:36:18] You're insane.

[00:36:21] Am I? Yes.

[00:36:25] Greg, what do you mean a more refined and polished this?

[00:36:27] So what's your take on this?

[00:36:29] I've never played a King of Heart.

[00:36:31] I've never heard of not not one Kingdom Heart.

[00:36:34] I haven't played a single Kingdom Heart, let alone.

[00:36:37] Not a one.

[00:36:41] Because like I don't know to me, there's so many parallels to like

[00:36:45] like it feels like the Kingdom Hearts battle system is like

[00:36:49] the shell of what this is.

[00:36:52] Like you're so lucky we don't live in the same place.

[00:36:55] But I would come to your house and slap you like I'd slap the fucking shit out of you.

[00:36:59] You're insane.

[00:37:00] What are you talking about?

[00:37:01] There's like the original like.

[00:37:07] Intent with the remake battle system was to they wanted to emulate

[00:37:14] in a way an experience between a turn base and an action game.

[00:37:18] It's this is like it's intentionally not fully

[00:37:23] like an action combat system.

[00:37:27] They wanted to make it so that yeah, that was their initial

[00:37:32] like kind of intention with this because they wanted to make it like more

[00:37:39] because of the way the skills.

[00:37:41] Did you turn on the setting where it like turns it to turn based?

[00:37:46] No, there's no way that there is no setting that just turns at turn base.

[00:37:52] I played on classic because I like so when I played a remake originally,

[00:37:57] there wasn't like you could only play classic on easy.

[00:38:00] And I actually started playing remake on normal.

[00:38:03] So I played it like the base way, whatever.

[00:38:07] And then when I I replayed remake and I replayed it on classic.

[00:38:12] And then I started this one out on classic.

[00:38:15] That's the version that is supposed to even more try and emulate

[00:38:20] the turn based system, which it fails spectacularly at trying to do it.

[00:38:27] Um, but the thing is, is like the AI for the enemy

[00:38:34] like units always targets the player you are playing as because there's no way to control.

[00:38:41] There's not like you don't have much control over your party AI.

[00:38:46] I got a step in right here.

[00:38:48] I have never seen what you're saying.

[00:38:51] That always happens because I swear what I switch I play I play

[00:38:56] and then I'm playing as cloud and they're attacking me and I switch to

[00:38:59] erith and then to heal up cloud.

[00:39:02] The second I switched to air it, the enemy swarm part.

[00:39:06] Because I've seen people play and then like the enemies just they stay

[00:39:09] keep they say attacking cloud while they're using the other characters.

[00:39:12] I don't know, man.

[00:39:13] No, well, then I guess everyone else is lucky and I'm cursed because that

[00:39:17] is not my experience.

[00:39:18] Now typically in most games like healing is a very high arrow.

[00:39:22] I am talking about how I switched to her don't even do anything.

[00:39:27] And they started attacking me.

[00:39:30] Like in especially so this one, maybe is that a thing that they added

[00:39:35] to the easy mode or the classic mode or something?

[00:39:37] No.

[00:39:39] I don't know, maybe, but that's been my personal experience with this game.

[00:39:44] It's definitely less than remake.

[00:39:46] Remake was so bad that in one of the boss fights.

[00:39:50] I just I switched to it was the boss fight where you're against like this big.

[00:40:01] What are they?

[00:40:02] Magitek saying in the in now in the in the pass on the way to reactor,

[00:40:09] like the reactor five and your Tifa cloud and Barrett is the party.

[00:40:16] And it was there's like this like create like a container,

[00:40:21] like a shipment container in the middle of the battle arena.

[00:40:24] And I was at this point in the first game on my first playthrough in Remake.

[00:40:30] Being like, man, I feel like every time I switch to a party member,

[00:40:34] they enemy immediately attacks me.

[00:40:36] So what I did was I switched to Barrett when stood behind the shipping container

[00:40:42] and then the enemy, this giant Bosch kept trying to run into the shipment container

[00:40:47] while cloud and Tifa were attacking it and it wouldn't target them.

[00:40:53] It would literally only ever target the character I was playing as.

[00:40:57] It is strange because I got I got to agree with Greg like I just I don't know.

[00:41:01] I would switch to Arith and then I'd like fire off a couple of attacks

[00:41:07] and then I would build up my thing and then I would just like, you know,

[00:41:10] or a lot of times I would as I was using cloud,

[00:41:14] I would like just do like the R2 or L2 or whatever and just switch to her

[00:41:18] or like tell her to do a command and be like, do this.

[00:41:21] Do you I found it like really annoying that the unless you I felt like for the most part,

[00:41:27] unless you were directly controlling the party members,

[00:41:30] they were not attacking often enough to fill up their ATB gauge

[00:41:37] really often.

[00:41:38] So like I felt like I had to like, I don't know.

[00:41:42] I didn't enjoy that.

[00:41:44] What I would normally do, like if I was like, shit,

[00:41:46] I'm going to need a heal soon or something from from Arith.

[00:41:49] What I would do is like, I would look and see like, oh, she's probably got like

[00:41:52] maybe one or two more attacks left to fill that ATB.

[00:41:56] I would quickly switch to her fire off a couple of attacks

[00:41:59] and then switch back to cloud.

[00:42:00] So I would keep the aggro on cloud

[00:42:04] because I'm only switching to her for like a second.

[00:42:06] And it wasn't enough to really ag.

[00:42:08] I don't think it was enough.

[00:42:10] Well, it wasn't enough for for being free.

[00:42:13] Yeah. Yeah, I didn't.

[00:42:16] I never ever ran into that problem.

[00:42:18] But yeah, I am.

[00:42:20] I definitely noticed it.

[00:42:22] And I felt like I wish that there was more control over how aggressive

[00:42:26] I wanted my like non the party members that I wasn't using

[00:42:31] or playing as to be when I'm not directly controlling them.

[00:42:36] Like if I wanted them to be more defensive

[00:42:39] or just go all out on attack or do these other things,

[00:42:41] like those are things that exist in almost every other RPG

[00:42:46] that I've played that has a party based system like this.

[00:42:49] You're able to customize like what like the type of unit

[00:42:55] you kind of like want them to be.

[00:42:56] You want them to be really aggressive.

[00:42:59] If you want them to focus on filling up their ATB,

[00:43:01] if you want to do these things like I have that was really common.

[00:43:05] I feel like you should check out this game.

[00:43:06] I don't know if you heard of it.

[00:43:08] It's called the Trials of Mana.

[00:43:10] Oh, my God.

[00:43:11] You literally all of the things you want are in that game.

[00:43:16] Well, and that's why I'm like, I actually like,

[00:43:18] I would say that Kingdom Hearts combat system is way more

[00:43:21] like those types of games than like this.

[00:43:24] Like I'm not saying that I just don't think one to one

[00:43:28] representation of that.

[00:43:29] I just feel like that battle system has been the basis

[00:43:33] for what this battle system has become.

[00:43:36] I looked at them, I looked at it while you're talking.

[00:43:40] I looked at it and the Kingdom Hearts combat from the

[00:43:44] incident was short clip I watched.

[00:43:45] It looked very similar just with the absence of an ATB gauge.

[00:43:50] It's like way more like near if you're talking about

[00:43:54] like combat systems, Kingdom Hearts is more like near

[00:43:58] and double may cry and things like that.

[00:44:00] Then it's is like this game.

[00:44:03] Final Fantasy 7 remake and rebirth.

[00:44:06] I would actually the closest combat system that I've ever

[00:44:09] played to it in a lot of ways is 15.

[00:44:14] I think it's I think seven remake is more similar to 15.

[00:44:20] Now I got to watch them their video combat.

[00:44:24] Play them 15 is great.

[00:44:26] Now I I want to move from the battle system onto the open

[00:44:33] world and stuff, but I don't want to forget there are some

[00:44:36] boss battles that we will talk about in the spoilers

[00:44:40] that were absolutely like so fucking different.

[00:44:46] Like I mean like Souls boss difficult.

[00:44:48] I remember texting a few.

[00:44:50] I think I texted you guys a few times being like the

[00:44:52] fuck is this boss.

[00:44:54] This is crazy.

[00:44:55] I can't believe how hard this boss is.

[00:44:58] Oh, sorry for things we can talk about.

[00:45:00] I try I tracked to where I am up to in my my my mini series

[00:45:06] Final Fantasy 7.

[00:45:08] Rebirths and they questing around Gorgonzola.

[00:45:14] So Gorgonzola.

[00:45:17] Gun Gaga.

[00:45:18] Yes.

[00:45:19] OK.

[00:45:20] Yeah.

[00:45:20] That's all right.

[00:45:23] So yeah, so I definitely want to talk about some of those

[00:45:26] boss fights because holy hell some of them were hard.

[00:45:28] And I know Beth you and I both shared grievances on one of them

[00:45:33] in particular was absolutely fucked like.

[00:45:36] And that's why I'm really glad I played on easy because like no joke.

[00:45:40] You told me it was funny because you were.

[00:45:43] There's logs on easy like that one that I'm talking about.

[00:45:47] You were like you were like dude just put it on easy.

[00:45:50] You've done enough.

[00:45:51] Holy shit.

[00:45:52] And I was like there's one more try I guess.

[00:45:55] And I was literally debating it.

[00:45:57] But I actually when I looked I was like I I'm at the point in this fight.

[00:46:02] I can't change the difficulty.

[00:46:04] So it is what it is.

[00:46:05] I guess I this is the bed I'm going to lay in.

[00:46:08] Was I did consider it.

[00:46:10] Yeah, that was fucking hard too.

[00:46:12] When I was so like for a lot of.

[00:46:17] Like a lot of the time that I was playing my cousin was watching

[00:46:21] and during that fight in particular not the snake, the one that we were referencing.

[00:46:26] He was like what the fuck is this?

[00:46:28] Like why is why is this here?

[00:46:31] Well, I can believe it.

[00:46:32] I was like all this stuff.

[00:46:34] Not only that I was just like why can't I hurt this fucking.

[00:46:38] I'm over this game.

[00:46:41] And this is this is kind of my problem ever since Final Fantasy introduced

[00:46:46] the stagger system.

[00:46:47] I fucking hate the stagger system because for 80 percent of the fight,

[00:46:52] you feel like you're doing zero damage and things take too long to get the stagger.

[00:46:56] Yeah, I can see that.

[00:46:57] Yeah, the stagger system mind the stagger system.

[00:46:59] But I fucking hate that.

[00:47:02] It's really funny.

[00:47:05] Oh, not really funny.

[00:47:07] Slightly amusing about that is that so the stagger I'm with you.

[00:47:11] I don't really enjoy the stagger system.

[00:47:13] What game started that was it 12 or 13?

[00:47:15] 13. Yeah, 13.

[00:47:17] So this is this is what I think is funny.

[00:47:19] Which was also the dog shit battle system.

[00:47:22] OK, you know what?

[00:47:24] I think it's funny is that so I was watching someone who is like really

[00:47:32] I don't know they've like been playing Final Fantasy for their entire lives

[00:47:36] and they're like on the sick.

[00:47:37] I don't know.

[00:47:38] Like a semi popular podcast and they were talking about 16

[00:47:41] because 16 also has a stagger system.

[00:47:44] And when talking about 16, they were saying how, you know,

[00:47:48] the stagger system is something that got introduced in a final fantasy

[00:47:53] and really revitalized the combat system and how

[00:47:58] they love the stagger system.

[00:48:00] And like a lot of the Final Fantasy community really, really loves it.

[00:48:04] And then he was talking about how it's really funny.

[00:48:06] He finds it amusing that it came from 13, which people really don't like.

[00:48:09] But it is something that like the community at large really likes.

[00:48:14] And I was like, well, I hate the stagger system, but I love 13.

[00:48:19] So who am I?

[00:48:20] Like what world am I living?

[00:48:23] Yeah. Well, more on some of those infuriating fights in a bit.

[00:48:29] But let's move on to the the other thing that they kind of expanded

[00:48:34] on in this game is the open world.

[00:48:37] I will say up front, initially in that like grasslands area,

[00:48:44] I was like, this is kind of boring.

[00:48:49] Like I didn't like at first I was like, OK, I like this open world.

[00:48:54] I like how like there's little areas that like you'll kind of just stumble

[00:48:58] upon and be like, there's some stuff I can kind of loot from this little area.

[00:49:03] But then like when they started introducing like the towers and stuff,

[00:49:06] I was like, what in the name of fucking Ubisoft is this shit?

[00:49:11] Like there's fucking towers, but the towers.

[00:49:14] Well, I did it to I know, I know.

[00:49:17] So don't don't go to Ubisoft.

[00:49:18] Brother, well, did it to the towers themselves?

[00:49:23] Don't do like the same like they don't unveil the map as like so much.

[00:49:29] It's just more like, hey, here's all the things in a certain radius

[00:49:33] that are in this area.

[00:49:36] It shows you where like interest points are.

[00:49:37] Yeah, which I see what they were doing is it's still kind of like

[00:49:43] they're encouraging you to still explore the map to uncover everything.

[00:49:48] I'll be honest, through my play through,

[00:49:50] the only thing that I did as far as like side quests go

[00:49:55] are the summons. That's all I really did.

[00:49:58] I just I did enough to get the like find those like thingies

[00:50:04] that like because essentially what happens in this game is

[00:50:07] in order to to get the summons in the game, you have to again

[00:50:12] talk to that piece of shit, Chad Lee, and he gives you like his little

[00:50:18] VR goggles thing, and then you have to go in and do the combat simulation

[00:50:22] and beat the the summit in order to get a summit material.

[00:50:27] But the thing that they added in this is that

[00:50:30] throughout the world map, there are these like little locations

[00:50:33] where you have to do like this fucking quick time event

[00:50:37] where you you have to time

[00:50:41] different button prompts at the right time in the right sequence

[00:50:45] to I guess just like unlock this thing.

[00:50:47] And there's three of them.

[00:50:48] And what they do is they they they make the summon fights easier.

[00:50:53] And God forbid if you try to attempt these summon fights

[00:50:56] without doing those because they are impossible.

[00:51:00] So you kind of you kind of want to get them all so that you get the

[00:51:04] summon to a point where it's like a fair fight.

[00:51:07] I I I took on one that I only had two for

[00:51:13] and that was like extremely difficult.

[00:51:16] And then the next one that I took on was Bahamut.

[00:51:20] And I did it.

[00:51:22] I tried it the first time.

[00:51:23] Mahmoud.

[00:51:24] What?

[00:51:26] I tried to take that one on.

[00:51:29] I just had a curiosity.

[00:51:31] I was like, let me see how far I can get with this fight

[00:51:33] without going after any of those those things to make them weaker.

[00:51:38] And it was it was fucked.

[00:51:39] I actually funny that you chose Bahamut,

[00:51:42] which is considered to be like one of the hardest ones.

[00:51:45] And then like, you know, iconic.

[00:51:50] Did you get him difficult?

[00:51:51] Famously, the hardest.

[00:51:53] Well, I think it's like one.

[00:51:54] Yeah, it's supposed to be like the strongest one.

[00:51:57] You're like, this is the one that I'm going to take on without any help.

[00:52:02] He I will say if you're if you're going through this game

[00:52:06] and you're getting the summons once you get Bahamut,

[00:52:09] you don't need any other ones because his like finisher thing

[00:52:13] before he leaves is so fucking OP.

[00:52:16] It's unbelievable.

[00:52:17] Like it just automatically like no matter what boss you're fighting,

[00:52:21] it's going to do nine nine nine nine.

[00:52:23] Like it's insane.

[00:52:26] I watched. OK, like once again, I.

[00:52:29] I have I'm going to say something around the mid to end point of this.

[00:52:34] Podcast, that's just going to sound crazy.

[00:52:36] But.

[00:52:39] That I watched a video talking about

[00:52:43] Bahamut's finisher, so like the flare mega, like mega flare,

[00:52:48] but how like what flair level

[00:52:53] in Canon they've gotten to and how.

[00:53:00] So the person like two things that so there's Bahamut

[00:53:05] that use that of flair, is that a flair is where they're at?

[00:53:07] Bahamut use that of flair in Final Fantasy 16.

[00:53:12] And also there's like a theory that that's what destroyed

[00:53:17] Aorazia in 14.

[00:53:21] But the only other character

[00:53:23] has ever used that of flair has been Donald Duck in Kingdom Hearts 3.

[00:53:28] God.

[00:53:30] It's like and I think if other if you're not counting 14,

[00:53:35] Donald Duck in Kingdom Hearts 3 is the first canon usage of Zeta Flair,

[00:53:39] which is the strongest magical attack in this universe.

[00:53:44] And so Donald Duck is out here just fucking using Zeta Flair.

[00:53:48] So I was watching that crazy.

[00:53:51] I thought it was that's really funny.

[00:53:52] But yeah, so like in the in the open world,

[00:53:55] I found the initial area to be a little boring.

[00:53:59] And then as they went on for me, they got better.

[00:54:05] The the area after the grasslands is much more interesting.

[00:54:10] I found and then everything after that was like kind of just kind of getting a little

[00:54:14] bit better. I was starting to get a little overwhelmed

[00:54:18] because it got to a point in this game where I was like,

[00:54:22] it's still going like there's still more like this is I thought that's

[00:54:27] really that's doing like no side quests.

[00:54:31] Like I'm I did you ever feel underleveled

[00:54:33] because this game is rotten with side quests?

[00:54:36] Um, no, I didn't ever feel underleveled.

[00:54:41] Maybe at one point a little bit, but we'll we'll get into that.

[00:54:45] Why I added up there was a point there was one point

[00:54:49] and it's kind of going to make real mad.

[00:54:53] There's one point where I was like, oh, I got to go do some fucking side quests.

[00:54:57] So I spent like a full day just doing some side quests for one reason and one reason only.

[00:55:02] Um, so I know I didn't I didn't really ever feel underleveled so much.

[00:55:09] But yeah, I do I do know that yes, it you're right, it is like just packed with side quests.

[00:55:15] But again, that is one of my gripes.

[00:55:18] This game has too much fluff.

[00:55:20] There's there's a bit too much.

[00:55:23] I feel like they could have like I love what they've done

[00:55:27] to make this world realized because, you know, initially, as we talked about this

[00:55:32] game coming out and speculating about it, it was like, man, it would be, you know,

[00:55:36] when we first seen them riding around on Chocobos and shit, it was like,

[00:55:40] oh my God, like, is this going to be like an open world game?

[00:55:43] And then when they finally started to, I guess, talk about it

[00:55:47] because I say dark mostly for this game and didn't really know a lot about it.

[00:55:51] I did know that it was at some point they announced that it was going to be open world.

[00:55:58] But I didn't know to like what extent and that extent is it's is big.

[00:56:05] So this is a big ass world, man, that you're that you're running around it.

[00:56:12] Some areas are way bigger than others.

[00:56:15] Greg, the area that you're seeing now in Gungaga, that area is not that big.

[00:56:22] It's it's not but it's it's an interesting area.

[00:56:25] And I did I did like it, but I kind of I breezed through that area pretty quickly.

[00:56:29] I didn't even get the summon there.

[00:56:30] I was just like, I don't want that one.

[00:56:32] I don't need it.

[00:56:33] And I just went and proceeded to the next to the next area.

[00:56:37] And I don't know.

[00:56:40] There's something about the open world that I love and hate at the same time.

[00:56:44] It's it's weird.

[00:56:45] I like Greg, how?

[00:56:48] Because like you do like a large open world,

[00:56:54] I think from from what I can tell, how how does the the the scope

[00:57:00] of this open world feel to you?

[00:57:03] Like as you're watching this and like kind of taking it all in.

[00:57:09] Do you think that it's a bit too fluffed up?

[00:57:11] Seems good.

[00:57:12] Seems good.

[00:57:13] Do I think it's too fluffed up?

[00:57:14] Maybe a little, but like I don't think it would bother me.

[00:57:17] I would just if I got a side quest and I didn't care about it,

[00:57:20] I just wouldn't do it.

[00:57:21] Yeah, you know.

[00:57:23] Yeah, and I did that for the most part.

[00:57:25] I just a lot of times just didn't interact with people that had side quests.

[00:57:31] But yeah, I I did like later in the game

[00:57:37] the way that they they mix up the traversal.

[00:57:39] And the other thing that I really like too is how

[00:57:42] each region's Chocobo had like a different type of traversal

[00:57:47] that they added that kind of was like once you finally got that Chocobo

[00:57:51] was like, oh now I can get to this area.

[00:57:55] And it was it was neat.

[00:57:56] It was neat how they did that.

[00:58:00] And yeah, I like didn't do so.

[00:58:03] I didn't do any of the side quests.

[00:58:06] So I can't really speak to like the open world

[00:58:08] and how it was like integrated and stuff.

[00:58:11] I did try and go back at one point to kind of like do some side quests

[00:58:16] and I couldn't go back without going on a boat

[00:58:21] and a train and a bicycle.

[00:58:23] And I was like, you know, I don't need to go back that bad.

[00:58:28] So I like I feel like you're you're incentivized

[00:58:33] to keep going forward in in like a big way up to a point.

[00:58:39] Yeah, to a point and that

[00:58:42] the areas themselves, like because of that, it did feel like the areas

[00:58:46] themselves, the game is kind of like wants you to explore in these down

[00:58:50] moments when it gives you these chances to do it.

[00:58:52] And it's it's not like really being like, oh, you know what?

[00:58:57] You got you didn't do that thing like three regions back.

[00:59:00] Like now you're kind of fucked.

[00:59:02] Like I I don't feel like it did it that way.

[00:59:05] The basically I didn't do any side quests and at no point did I really

[00:59:09] feel like the open world was trying to intrude on the story too much.

[00:59:16] It didn't feel necessary to do any of the side stuff.

[00:59:20] And once again, I was playing on easy.

[00:59:22] So I don't know about like the difficulty scaling and all that.

[00:59:27] But my friend was playing on normal and he was doing everything.

[00:59:33] And, you know, he really

[00:59:38] I don't know why by the end he was still doing everything

[00:59:41] because he was not having a good time with it.

[00:59:44] He was like similarly like this feels so bloated.

[00:59:47] And I think it was because he's like I spent like a hundred dollars on this.

[00:59:52] Like I'm getting my money's worth.

[00:59:58] But yeah, he kind of definitely got a little bit like towards the end

[01:00:01] felt very like wise shit here.

[01:00:05] Yeah. Well, that kind of goes.

[01:00:08] I want to sort of put it with it.

[01:00:10] I do want I found it kind of like bloated in certain ways as well.

[01:00:14] And very like.

[01:00:16] Like they're they tried to really like pad out some of the runtime in certain areas.

[01:00:21] Like I think the I before the game came out and I saw like,

[01:00:26] oh, there's so many mini games involved.

[01:00:29] I thought all of those mini games were going to be optional.

[01:00:31] So it was like, oh, if I like this game, then I'm going to have a fun time,

[01:00:36] you know, tooling around with like these mini games on the side

[01:00:41] because when they pop up, I'm going to want to play because I'm enjoying the game.

[01:00:45] Well, not enjoying the game.

[01:00:47] And then on top of that being forced to do all of these like

[01:00:51] mini games during the main quests was incredibly irritating.

[01:00:56] I felt like especially like towards the middle and the end when I started

[01:01:02] to really not enjoy this, like what the story and what was going on

[01:01:06] or I was getting more irritated with some of the characters.

[01:01:10] I every time one of these mini games popped up,

[01:01:13] I was like, are you fucking kidding me?

[01:01:15] I just want to get on with it.

[01:01:16] I'll agree with you. Yes.

[01:01:17] There was like it got to a point for me to where I was just like,

[01:01:22] man, another mini game.

[01:01:26] This is just like forced.

[01:01:28] That's like forced mini game all the time.

[01:01:32] Like every I feel like you had it was almost like you had a

[01:01:36] like a big story section, then you had a big combat section

[01:01:40] and then it ended with a mini game or it started with a mini game.

[01:01:43] Then you had a big story section and then you had a combat on the way out.

[01:01:46] So it was like the and I appreciate their

[01:01:51] effort to try and change up the pace and the flow.

[01:01:54] So it's not just like, you know,

[01:01:58] 40 hours of the same thing over and over again.

[01:02:02] But I didn't.

[01:02:04] Yeah, I just felt like at a certain point,

[01:02:06] the mini games were really just kind of like getting in the way of what was

[01:02:10] actually going on.

[01:02:12] And I felt sort of similarly to some of the times when you had to play as

[01:02:18] other characters and you had to like when you play, had to play.

[01:02:23] There's like one character.

[01:02:24] I won't I don't want to say it because Greg hasn't gotten there.

[01:02:27] But there's one character that playing is big, right?

[01:02:31] Even though I like them.

[01:02:32] You think it's big.

[01:02:35] No, it's a big or wedge or no.

[01:02:37] I guess you don't play as a mean to try to find them.

[01:02:39] Never mind. Sorry.

[01:02:40] You.

[01:02:41] Oh, I know exactly what you're talking about now.

[01:02:44] And like that was fucking brutal.

[01:02:48] It was just didn't.

[01:02:49] It was like so annoying.

[01:02:51] And it was at a point where it felt like the game was trying to

[01:02:54] like really pick up its pace and it was like, oh, this thing

[01:02:58] we're really gearing up to, you know, where we're going.

[01:03:02] But now you have to play this character.

[01:03:03] The funny thing is I didn't use that character at all until that moment.

[01:03:09] And I was like, oh, it's a case.

[01:03:10] It's assuming.

[01:03:12] I know for a fact Jerry did not use Kate's it at all.

[01:03:15] But we hate this self like as I have a key in my party.

[01:03:21] Oh, God.

[01:03:23] I use cases

[01:03:27] like a few times in the party because I actually thought the

[01:03:30] mechanics were kind of fun.

[01:03:31] The combat case wasn't the problem.

[01:03:33] It was the.

[01:03:34] Throwing the fucking box.

[01:03:35] Many games crap.

[01:03:37] Yeah.

[01:03:38] And at that point in time, I genuinely was like, this is just padding.

[01:03:43] Like this is clearly like the slow walk you have to do and you have

[01:03:46] to pick up the boxes and slowly walk over.

[01:03:48] I'm like, you're just trying to add runtime.

[01:03:52] Like it was painful.

[01:03:54] So.

[01:03:56] I mean, other than the the traversal and stuff like that,

[01:04:00] I did a really, really appreciate like the towns and the love

[01:04:06] that went into crafting like major areas that like, you know,

[01:04:12] as somebody that's played the original seeing like Junon

[01:04:16] and seeing some of these other places later in the game was

[01:04:20] just like, oh man.

[01:04:22] I mean, you know, I thought Junon was really cool.

[01:04:25] Yeah, like just the the realization that they had

[01:04:29] of crafting these areas, even like even the initial town that

[01:04:34] you start in.

[01:04:36] Calm, like that town was like so rinky dink looking in the original.

[01:04:43] And now it's just like this cozy.

[01:04:45] I don't know.

[01:04:46] There's something about it is just like they put a lot of work

[01:04:50] into really making these towns and these areas like familiar

[01:04:56] but like way more expansive and especially with like the town

[01:05:01] is like Nebelheim.

[01:05:03] Holy fucking shit.

[01:05:04] Like I had like cold shivers like running around that town

[01:05:07] not only from the original, but even from coming from

[01:05:11] Final Fantasy seven crisis core because I recently played

[01:05:16] the remake of that and like even in that remake it looked good.

[01:05:23] But like it was just like even more realized from even just

[01:05:28] that kind of reimagining of the town.

[01:05:32] And then, yeah, like places like Junon

[01:05:36] it was just it was incredible.

[01:05:38] The work that they did with with placing you in places that

[01:05:43] you know, you have like the like even like for me, I had like

[01:05:47] nostalgia for certain places and it was just like, holy shit, man.

[01:05:50] You see them.

[01:05:52] But like I don't I doubt I don't have a nostalgia for this game.

[01:05:57] Like you do or like a lot of people do.

[01:06:00] But I like the like the towns, like the worlds and the places

[01:06:03] were definitely like one of the best parts of this game.

[01:06:08] I think it was each like city was really, really and like place

[01:06:13] in general is like really well done.

[01:06:16] And I think.

[01:06:19] Talking about crisis core and you're you said you're a gong

[01:06:22] or whatever it's called, right?

[01:06:23] Yeah, correct.

[01:06:25] Seeing like Cissney, I was like.

[01:06:29] So excited.

[01:06:31] Cissney.

[01:06:33] Yeah, seeing her there and like I was like, oh my God,

[01:06:37] I'm so happy that like we see her.

[01:06:40] I see her.

[01:06:40] I was like, is this a kind of hearts character?

[01:06:43] Like that name just sounded so familiar to me.

[01:06:47] And I know she's but I don't remember her at all from the original.

[01:06:51] She's not in the original.

[01:06:52] She's from crisis core.

[01:06:53] She's like she helps staff and like get out and stuff.

[01:06:56] She's like a huge right.

[01:06:59] And like we learn nothing about like, you don't really find

[01:07:02] no one happens to her after, but seeing that she goes to

[01:07:06] Ganganga and like stays there and like is a part of like

[01:07:09] kind of protecting him.

[01:07:10] That's his home.

[01:07:10] I'm like, I love that.

[01:07:12] I love that.

[01:07:12] That's where she is.

[01:07:13] That might be a little bit of a spoiler.

[01:07:17] But it's for crisis core, I guess.

[01:07:20] But we're no time for Jesus.

[01:07:23] Yeah.

[01:07:25] So apart from the open world, like the other thing I wanted to

[01:07:30] talk about was like the style, which again is a lot of the

[01:07:33] same in this game.

[01:07:35] I feel like the style kind of goes part and parcel with

[01:07:40] the way that they crafted like the world and stuff like

[01:07:43] that.

[01:07:44] Again, I still really, really like the redesign.

[01:07:47] Like it's not really so much a redesign, but just like kind of

[01:07:51] just like a reimagining of what each of these characters look

[01:07:55] like and what they act like.

[01:07:57] Now that said, Greg, and I'm only bringing this up because

[01:08:02] I know that this is one of the things that you've talked

[01:08:05] to me on a few occasions is may have the floor.

[01:08:08] May have the floor.

[01:08:09] You may have the floor to talk about some of your grievances

[01:08:12] here.

[01:08:13] Okay.

[01:08:16] I don't have too many gripes with what I've seen in the game.

[01:08:20] Like I like the story well enough from what I've seen up to

[01:08:22] the I played the gameplay and remake and it looks more

[01:08:25] the same and it didn't rub me the wrong way.

[01:08:29] But I've got a huge problem with this fucking game.

[01:08:32] And it's to the point where it's almost like, I don't

[01:08:38] know if I sometimes I'm like, I can't watch any more of this.

[01:08:45] And what that is is and I don't know if it's really bad

[01:08:50] localization and I'm spoiled by 14, which has fantastic

[01:08:53] localization or just no direction.

[01:08:57] But I fucking hate the way characters talk to each other.

[01:09:04] And the way they they move and flail around.

[01:09:11] It's like I'm watching a goddamn puppet show and they're

[01:09:15] performing to the back so they got to make the characters

[01:09:18] move the puppets move so I can see that they're doing

[01:09:20] something.

[01:09:21] It drives me up the fucking wall.

[01:09:25] And the only character that is not insufferable is cloud

[01:09:30] and that's because he says fucking nothing.

[01:09:34] Every character is at like an 11 or delivers their dialogue

[01:09:41] in a way that is so unnatural.

[01:09:43] It makes me want to throw up on my keyboard.

[01:09:46] I can't handle it.

[01:09:48] It makes me crazy, Jerry.

[01:09:50] It makes me fucking crazy.

[01:09:53] Do you think though that was like after you said that

[01:09:56] and I started to pick up on it and I was like, yeah,

[01:09:58] you're kind of right about that, I guess.

[01:10:01] One of the things that I kind of started to kind of try

[01:10:05] to parallel was like are they just trying to like emulate

[01:10:09] the same?

[01:10:11] I guess like, you know, like back on the original,

[01:10:14] like when someone would talk, they would like kind of

[01:10:16] move and shake and stuff like is it just trying to

[01:10:18] parallel that if they are.

[01:10:20] That's a real bad choice.

[01:10:22] It doesn't translate well in my opinion.

[01:10:25] Yeah, like I started to notice a lot with Barrett.

[01:10:28] Like every time Barrett talks, he's just like swinging

[01:10:31] his arms around and stuff.

[01:10:33] It's the flailing with some characters.

[01:10:36] It's the delivery with some characters.

[01:10:39] Some characters that's both, Yuffie.

[01:10:41] It's fucking terrible.

[01:10:45] Red isn't too bad though.

[01:10:47] Red is like basically cloud but dog or cat.

[01:10:52] Dog. He's a dog.

[01:10:56] Yeah, no, I kind of agree there.

[01:10:59] I do like some of the performances,

[01:11:02] especially later in the game,

[01:11:05] especially from cloud.

[01:11:08] But again, you're right.

[01:11:10] Like cloud is kind of-

[01:11:11] I promise you the performances you like are from

[01:11:13] characters who don't talk that much.

[01:11:16] Yeah, maybe.

[01:11:18] I genuinely liked a lot of Rufus's scenes.

[01:11:23] He's pretty cool.

[01:11:25] They made him a lot more, I don't know,

[01:11:28] like it's cool how they made him more stand out

[01:11:33] as a side villain to like Sefiroth.

[01:11:38] Because like quite honestly, and this isn't too spoiler,

[01:11:41] you really don't see a lot of Sefiroth in this game.

[01:11:45] I mean, that's just Final Fantasy VII.

[01:11:48] That's like, in the original one,

[01:11:51] I only played up to Junon.

[01:11:53] But even I know that like,

[01:11:55] oh no, up to Dine is where I played up to.

[01:11:58] But even I know that like Sefiroth

[01:12:01] is like barely in that game really.

[01:12:03] Yeah.

[01:12:04] So they kind of make Rufus like the side villain

[01:12:07] and he's definitely played up a little bit more

[01:12:11] in this kind of reimagining of his character.

[01:12:15] And I kind of like it because he's, I don't know,

[01:12:19] he's a cool villain in a lot of ways.

[01:12:23] I hate his fucking coat.

[01:12:26] I like his coat.

[01:12:28] I like all those unnecessary buckles.

[01:12:30] I think it's fucking stupid.

[01:12:32] I'm watching him like, what is this?

[01:12:35] I'm talking at my monitor like, what is this now?

[01:12:38] I'm watching like TV.

[01:12:40] What is, what do we, why the belts like that?

[01:12:43] Like you're pointing at it like, do you see this shit?

[01:12:46] You're talking to your PS5.

[01:12:48] You're like, do you see this?

[01:12:50] Do you see this shit?

[01:12:51] PS5, you see what's going on here?

[01:12:53] No, it sounds.

[01:12:56] But yeah, so I don't know.

[01:12:59] Beth, what did you think of some of the,

[01:13:02] like do you agree with some of the things that Greg's

[01:13:04] saying here or like how did you find some of the

[01:13:06] characters and the style?

[01:13:09] Yeah, well, I think like, I don't know how to like say this

[01:13:13] without maybe like getting too into specifics or like

[01:13:16] characters or spoiling things or whatever.

[01:13:19] But yeah, I think like there was a lot of like really

[01:13:25] weird moments with these characters and how they

[01:13:29] interact with each other that I found really like

[01:13:34] surface level.

[01:13:35] It's like, oh, we want to show you that these two

[01:13:38] characters have a relationship or get along.

[01:13:42] But instead of actually spending any time with them

[01:13:44] together or showing you that they have a relationship,

[01:13:48] they're just going to like look at each other and

[01:13:52] make gestures or they're, you know, like, oh,

[01:13:56] we're just supposed to believe that these things

[01:13:58] exist or whatever.

[01:14:02] Like I said, I can't like I have very specific examples

[01:14:05] of things that like really irritated me about how

[01:14:08] certain characters acted and then interacted with

[01:14:12] each other.

[01:14:13] I think something that did drive me insane is how

[01:14:17] everybody acts around cloud.

[01:14:21] So like that I found my issue wasn't what they

[01:14:26] were saying.

[01:14:27] It's how they were saying it.

[01:14:30] Oh, yeah, I found it fucking in software.

[01:14:35] No, I didn't care about I like at least I didn't

[01:14:38] really maybe I was just so bothered by so too many

[01:14:41] other things bothering me to notice that one

[01:14:43] specifically.

[01:14:45] I don't think there was a director.

[01:14:47] It was the first reason for every line.

[01:14:51] Could be.

[01:14:53] I don't know.

[01:14:54] But I didn't know I them actually talking.

[01:14:57] I didn't.

[01:14:59] Didn't care.

[01:15:01] It was.

[01:15:03] A lot more to deal with like how they were

[01:15:05] characterized how they interact with each other

[01:15:07] things that they were like just like the poor

[01:15:10] writing for certain characters and what they

[01:15:15] were in the relationships of them all and

[01:15:17] everything like that.

[01:15:18] Yeah, so that was more more my thing.

[01:15:21] Now one of the one of the last points that I

[01:15:23] want to touch on is the soundtrack because

[01:15:27] Beth, I don't like I know that you have some

[01:15:29] gripes with the game, but I feel like

[01:15:32] you like kind of universally everybody that

[01:15:34] I've talked to even with gripes they have

[01:15:36] have all kind of agreed that the soundtrack

[01:15:38] is pretty fucking good.

[01:15:41] Like, yeah, music is like fine.

[01:15:43] It's just the original stuff.

[01:15:45] But like there was some there was some

[01:15:47] orchestra and some, you know, pizzazz put

[01:15:50] in there someplace.

[01:15:51] So one of my all time favorite tracks of this

[01:15:54] game and I swear to God, like I've listened

[01:15:57] to this song on repeat.

[01:16:00] I have a YouTube video that is literally

[01:16:03] somebody that also agreed with me, I guess

[01:16:05] because they it's like a 15 minute video

[01:16:08] of them just paused at this area just so

[01:16:12] you can hear the music and like so

[01:16:16] there's a point and I tried to find

[01:16:20] the original

[01:16:23] I guess

[01:16:26] version of this song but

[01:16:29] I don't know if it was in the original and that's

[01:16:32] the

[01:16:35] when you're going through

[01:16:41] what's it called Mount

[01:16:45] fuck what's the name of the place after

[01:16:48] the coast of the soul.

[01:16:50] I almost said Mount Golg but that's a different game.

[01:16:52] I was gonna say Mount Corvette and I was like

[01:16:54] that's Pokemon.

[01:16:55] It's closer to that though, I think.

[01:16:58] Yeah, it starts with a C right?

[01:17:00] The Mount Coral.

[01:17:02] Yeah, so

[01:17:04] the Mount Coral theme

[01:17:07] as you're going through this area

[01:17:10] has no right to go as hard as it does

[01:17:13] from the just like the

[01:17:17] because the way the game kind of takes

[01:17:20] the soundtrack and as you're traversing

[01:17:23] through areas it has like one version

[01:17:26] of like a theme and then when you get into

[01:17:29] a fight it changes that theme

[01:17:32] and kind of like changes that theme to like

[01:17:34] the battle theme style of that theme

[01:17:37] and the Mount Coral one is just

[01:17:40] so fucking good.

[01:17:43] I just I loved that theme so much

[01:17:46] there was a few times that I just like

[01:17:48] would just pause the game and just listen to it

[01:17:50] because I was like holy shit this is good

[01:17:53] and like it goes from being just like this really good

[01:17:56] I don't know like upbeat kind of like

[01:17:59] epic sounding traversal theme to like

[01:18:02] when you get into a battle it's like

[01:18:04] full blown like fucking dubstep like

[01:18:07] clubbanger music and it was just so good

[01:18:10] I loved it. I love that that song so much

[01:18:13] and I don't know I don't think it was

[01:18:16] I don't think it was in the original like I

[01:18:18] tried to find it but I couldn't.

[01:18:21] If you guys didn't do the side quest

[01:18:23] you missed out on the fun dog song.

[01:18:26] Dog song yeah I definitely wouldn't get that.

[01:18:29] Yeah you could go it's in the

[01:18:32] town with the dolphin

[01:18:34] you talk to the lady and she's like hey

[01:18:37] can you walk this dog to my son in the next town?

[01:18:40] I did that. Oh you did do that? Okay so you did hear the dog song?

[01:18:46] I don't know I just got the dog as far as it

[01:18:48] needed to go and then I was just like

[01:18:50] this is done now and then I didn't do anything else.

[01:18:52] You didn't clock the dog song?

[01:18:54] It's just it's constantly going like wow wow

[01:18:56] wow wow bow and stuff like that.

[01:19:00] I didn't know that.

[01:19:02] Did either of you guys ever listen to or play

[01:19:05] did you ever play Undertale?

[01:19:07] Yes I've seen some Undertale I haven't played it.

[01:19:10] There's a song and it's like

[01:19:13] where it's like just dog noises

[01:19:16] and like barking and stuff like that

[01:19:18] is it similar to that? Just like

[01:19:20] barking and...

[01:19:22] It's kind of like that yeah.

[01:19:26] Undertale is a great sound track.

[01:19:28] I don't remember if it's

[01:19:30] I think there are literally lyrics

[01:19:33] but the lyrics are wow wow wow bow.

[01:19:37] Wow wow wow.

[01:19:39] I can't really remember the song but I remember it's

[01:19:41] Stan you know.

[01:19:43] That's how well being a big part of it.

[01:19:45] Before we get into the big spoiler

[01:19:48] territory here I just kind of wanted to

[01:19:51] gauge each of our kind of biggest take

[01:19:54] away that we really enjoyed from this

[01:19:57] and then the biggest gripe. Now Greg

[01:19:59] obviously you haven't seen the end

[01:20:01] but just kind of up to this point

[01:20:04] you know what would be the biggest take away for you?

[01:20:07] Well you've already heard my gripe.

[01:20:10] Yes which is the puppet show.

[01:20:12] Fucking puppet show of a game that it is.

[01:20:17] And what do I enjoy?

[01:20:19] Yeah what is the biggest take away from this?

[01:20:22] Well I would say what I

[01:20:24] I don't know if I would take away yet but what I enjoy

[01:20:26] and maybe this is exclusive to watching it as

[01:20:29] television

[01:20:31] I have been enjoying like

[01:20:34] the scene like the played through flashbacks

[01:20:37] like the Nevilleheim stuff

[01:20:39] or like the alternate timeline

[01:20:41] Zach stuff. I do enjoy seeing like oh this is something different

[01:20:44] but like

[01:20:46] that could be just from watching TV.

[01:20:49] Beth what's your biggest take away from this game?

[01:20:53] I hate it.

[01:20:55] No your biggest take away like what's the

[01:20:58] what's your what's your favorite thing?

[01:21:00] At the end of the

[01:21:04] You don't like one thing about the game?

[01:21:07] Genuinely? Don't like the game.

[01:21:09] Oh I just games that I fucking hate but I can probably pick one thing from a game.

[01:21:12] You didn't like soundtrack?

[01:21:14] This like

[01:21:17] here this

[01:21:19] okay

[01:21:21] there sometimes there are things that you hate so much that

[01:21:25] by the end of it that when you look back on it

[01:21:28] even the things that are serviceable

[01:21:31] you just don't care about so

[01:21:34] like the I think the you know

[01:21:37] beautiful game break graphics

[01:21:39] it plays well like you know it doesn't break

[01:21:43] so that's good

[01:21:45] the music is nice

[01:21:48] and this just feels like

[01:21:51] when two children are fighting and you're like

[01:21:53] no come over here and say something nice about your sister

[01:21:56] and it's like

[01:21:58] I like your hair I guess

[01:22:02] well it's just like

[01:22:04] your face is good

[01:22:06] aesthetically

[01:22:08] it's you know it's a beautiful game to look at

[01:22:11] and yeah the music is good I guess

[01:22:14] but like

[01:22:17] I dislike

[01:22:19] the game so much

[01:22:21] that when you're like telling me something you like about it

[01:22:24] everything else just feels

[01:22:26] the things that I don't hate

[01:22:28] I just don't care about

[01:22:30] I feel

[01:22:32] I'm like oh that was good because I feel in different tours in now

[01:22:36] right okay

[01:22:39] but it's like one of those things that it's like

[01:22:41] functionally the game works so that's good

[01:22:44] and I

[01:22:46] I get why like okay all the size like

[01:22:49] it has a 93 on

[01:22:52] open critic

[01:22:54] people very much enjoy it

[01:22:57] um there you know they've got their love for it I know you like it Jerry I know you have fun watching it

[01:23:03] so it's like and I can see

[01:23:06] why

[01:23:08] I just am so

[01:23:10] far removed from that emotion

[01:23:13] that I don't feel anything positive towards this game

[01:23:16] but I'm glad you like it

[01:23:18] okay well

[01:23:20] with that said

[01:23:22] let's dig into

[01:23:24] exactly why you don't like it

[01:23:26] so let's this is this is your warning

[01:23:28] we we're going to start spoiling stuff

[01:23:31] Greg plug your ears

[01:23:33] well he doesn't have to yet

[01:23:35] because we can we can start spoiling some stuff like kind of chronologically

[01:23:39] so I'll say like

[01:23:41] you know we've talked a bit about like the first couple of years

[01:23:45] the first couple of areas like it's kind of no surprise that

[01:23:48] you know the initial area like calm in the grasslands and stuff like that that's the first area and then

[01:23:53] we also mentioned Junon and we also talked a little bit about

[01:23:57] gone Gaga so

[01:24:00] what we'll say is that we will try to spoiler it in kind of a chronological order

[01:24:06] so if you're feeling brave and you want to kind of

[01:24:09] you kind of want to like tiptoe around it

[01:24:11] you want to test it

[01:24:13] so this is your spoiler

[01:24:16] warning for Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth

[01:24:19] so here we go

[01:24:21] first things first

[01:24:23] I

[01:24:25] quite liked the golden saucer

[01:24:27] in a lot of ways

[01:24:29] and

[01:24:31] I

[01:24:33] I'm sure you did

[01:24:35] we're going to get there

[01:24:37] actually

[01:24:39] I'll just say upfront

[01:24:41] that I spent

[01:24:45] more time than I care to admit

[01:24:48] playing the Chocobo Racer because that's a fucking Mario Kart game

[01:24:52] that's a goddamn Mario Kart built into this

[01:24:55] like it had like

[01:24:57] fucking cups and like

[01:24:59] a bunch of different tracks in each cup

[01:25:01] I was like I was a Chocobo

[01:25:04] master

[01:25:06] because I wanted to complete that

[01:25:09] because

[01:25:11] the thing that I had mentioned earlier Greg

[01:25:14] one of the reasons why I ended up doing a lot of side quests

[01:25:17] is because once I realized

[01:25:20] you know the infamous the date night

[01:25:23] at the golden saucer

[01:25:25] I quickly realized that

[01:25:28] my bond

[01:25:30] with my wife who

[01:25:33] was not as strong as I hoped it was going to be

[01:25:36] and I was in full panic mode

[01:25:38] and I was like I have to

[01:25:40] make this bond much better

[01:25:42] right now

[01:25:44] I can't have a date with red 13

[01:25:46] no no no no

[01:25:48] it's not going to be that way

[01:25:50] you could

[01:25:52] not Jerry

[01:25:54] so I was like

[01:25:56] I got to go dark

[01:25:58] I have to go back and I have to do

[01:26:00] I look

[01:26:02] oh god

[01:26:04] come on

[01:26:06] it's okay

[01:26:08] red sentient

[01:26:10] yeah

[01:26:12] he's also I think

[01:26:14] mentally supposed to be 13

[01:26:16] years old

[01:26:18] yeah don't they say

[01:26:20] he's mentally like 13 or 14

[01:26:22] so Greg hasn't gotten to that part yet

[01:26:24] I like

[01:26:26] I really like

[01:26:28] but from the original that's too

[01:26:30] that's always been the thing

[01:26:32] I think

[01:26:34] how

[01:26:36] when he sees

[01:26:38] Arith and Tifa in their bathing suits

[01:26:40] his real voice comes out for half a second

[01:26:42] yeah

[01:26:44] I mean my real voice came out for half a second

[01:26:46] when I see them in their bathing suits

[01:26:48] scared

[01:26:50] scared

[01:26:52] you best believe I got

[01:26:54] all those swimsuits

[01:26:58] I also really enjoyed seeing Barrett in his fucking

[01:27:00] that was fucking awesome

[01:27:04] but no yeah the

[01:27:06] the point of me going back and doing side quests

[01:27:08] I literally went back and I looked at

[01:27:10] I looked at a guide of like

[01:27:12] which quests

[01:27:14] were like literally like

[01:27:16] connected to which quest make Tifa happy

[01:27:18] yes pretty much

[01:27:20] pretty much

[01:27:22] and I went back all the way

[01:27:24] back to the grasslands and I did

[01:27:26] every single side quest

[01:27:28] that makes

[01:27:30] dedication that makes Tifa

[01:27:32] yeah

[01:27:34] that makes her much more

[01:27:36] happier so by the end of it

[01:27:38] everybody else was just kind of like a normal

[01:27:40] happy face but Tifa

[01:27:42] was like maxed out

[01:27:44] and I was like I swear to God

[01:27:46] if she's not the one that knocks on the door

[01:27:48] it'll be for nothing and I'm turning this

[01:27:50] fucking game up

[01:27:52] I had a similar moment

[01:27:54] because well I didn't join side quest

[01:27:56] and so I was like

[01:27:58] before that

[01:28:00] moment that

[01:28:02] also you know the date night's coming up

[01:28:04] I like paused the game

[01:28:06] and genuinely it was like

[01:28:08] do I think my bond with Eryth is

[01:28:10] high enough

[01:28:12] compared to everybody else's

[01:28:14] but this is gonna be Eryth because I had a similar

[01:28:16] like if Eryth

[01:28:18] is not gonna door I do I even want to play this game anymore

[01:28:20] but I also didn't want to play the game

[01:28:22] enough to go back and do the

[01:28:24] side content

[01:28:26] so

[01:28:28] who did you get?

[01:28:30] I got it

[01:28:32] because I had been spending the entire game

[01:28:34] catering to her

[01:28:36] completely catering to her

[01:28:38] and doing

[01:28:40] well she was also my party the entire time

[01:28:42] so we were using synergy skills

[01:28:44] which also something that

[01:28:46] buffs you were

[01:28:48] your relationship so my

[01:28:50] relationship with Eryth was

[01:28:52] hers was the only happy

[01:28:54] circle

[01:28:56] you were a fuck boy to Eryth

[01:28:58] exactly what you know she wants to hear

[01:29:00] yeah

[01:29:02] I was like okay which one do I think is the nicest

[01:29:04] I don't mean to be fair

[01:29:06] it's the stuff that I would actually

[01:29:08] would have picked because it's like nice things

[01:29:10] like it's

[01:29:12] like cloud responses

[01:29:14] are either like

[01:29:16] fuck you or I'm listening

[01:29:18] I'm gonna ignore what you're saying

[01:29:20] every time

[01:29:22] him and Tifa would be like

[01:29:24] cloud don't you remember this from your childhood

[01:29:26] the answers would be like I don't know what you're talking about

[01:29:28] or like

[01:29:30] the only thing I remember

[01:29:32] it was

[01:29:34] yeah so that's it

[01:29:36] either I love you or I wish you were dead

[01:29:38] or the two options

[01:29:40] I'm picking the nice ones but

[01:29:42] it was funny because

[01:29:44] when I was like

[01:29:46] I did feel a little bad

[01:29:48] when I was talking to Tifa and I was

[01:29:50] picking the stuff that was like

[01:29:52] fuck you bitch

[01:29:54] I was like that's so hard

[01:29:56] what is it though

[01:29:58] that you hate so much about Tifa

[01:30:02] Tifa

[01:30:04] like I don't

[01:30:06] like really want

[01:30:08] so it's this thing it's like

[01:30:10] Tifa to me

[01:30:12] is like

[01:30:14] the perfect example

[01:30:16] of

[01:30:18] how

[01:30:20] men think women want to be written

[01:30:22] but really it's still just about

[01:30:24] the guy

[01:30:26] and

[01:30:28] so like I can get into

[01:30:30] a lot of like this stuff behind it

[01:30:32] and like the things that I've read

[01:30:34] and then you get into

[01:30:36] kind of like

[01:30:38] the history of how like

[01:30:40] men write female characters and everything

[01:30:42] like this but I don't really think that

[01:30:44] one

[01:30:46] it's like this is the podcast for that

[01:30:48] secondly like I really want to talk

[01:30:50] to you guys about it

[01:30:52] so it's like

[01:30:54] for like I guess like a very

[01:30:56] short

[01:31:00] concise thing is that ultimately

[01:31:02] while Tifa is supposed to be

[01:31:04] a main character

[01:31:06] a lot of her

[01:31:08] motivations and everything are centered around

[01:31:10] cloud and that's okay if she was supposed to

[01:31:12] be a side character or support character

[01:31:14] but when you have like the

[01:31:16] and then

[01:31:18] after in the original

[01:31:20] game

[01:31:22] in the original game after

[01:31:24] heurus dies you don't have to

[01:31:26] get you fee so the only other

[01:31:28] the only real like female

[01:31:30] character is Tifa

[01:31:32] so like to have Tifa

[01:31:34] the only female character and then for sole

[01:31:36] purpose is really just to be there

[01:31:38] so that like to support

[01:31:40] character you know about

[01:31:42] the original story

[01:31:44] I watched it all I know the whole thing

[01:31:46] because like she plays a

[01:31:48] fairly big part

[01:31:50] toward the end of the original game

[01:31:52] but it's still all

[01:31:54] is her cloud

[01:31:56] like all of it

[01:31:58] their buds man their childhood friends

[01:32:00] you're saying Tifa fails the back door test

[01:32:04] like that's like the bars

[01:32:06] on the floor for that but like

[01:32:08] I just mean like along the lines of like she

[01:32:10] doesn't she just does she just

[01:32:12] completely fails to exist as like a character

[01:32:14] for herself

[01:32:16] and

[01:32:18] she's always been like my go-to

[01:32:20] example for that

[01:32:22] when I'm talking about things

[01:32:24] that I find really annoying about how

[01:32:26] certain female characters are written

[01:32:28] and so it's like

[01:32:30] fundamentally she's just so many things

[01:32:32] that I personally have

[01:32:34] a problem with in

[01:32:36] like how women are

[01:32:38] written in video games

[01:32:40] so it's hard to like her

[01:32:42] when I have

[01:32:44] 20 plus years of

[01:32:46] like her as an example and then I don't

[01:32:48] think that this game does a very good job

[01:32:50] of rectifying

[01:32:52] that um either

[01:32:54] so

[01:32:56] well I mean

[01:32:58] that's fair that's that's fair

[01:33:00] that's totally fair you're you're entitled

[01:33:02] to do all those

[01:33:04] it's not that I disagree

[01:33:06] because I do agree that she is

[01:33:08] somewhat of a flat character

[01:33:12] in

[01:33:14] not from where I was sitting

[01:33:16] in some ways and not in others

[01:33:18] but like

[01:33:20] you know like yeah

[01:33:22] she she can be pretty vanilla

[01:33:24] she got more than enough character for me

[01:33:34] continue

[01:33:36] but um

[01:33:38] yeah she uh

[01:33:40] she's fine I don't know

[01:33:42] I genuinely like

[01:33:44] the back story

[01:33:46] stuff and especially like even early

[01:33:48] on when she's like you know

[01:33:50] when cloud is like

[01:33:52] being

[01:33:54] I guess told by Sephiroth like that's not

[01:33:56] that's not she's not

[01:33:58] who you think she is and he's like

[01:34:00] Sephiroth is like trying to poison cloud's

[01:34:02] memories but he does try and kill her

[01:34:04] so it works for like

[01:34:06] yeah that was

[01:34:08] a pretty wild moment

[01:34:10] uh

[01:34:12] Greg you're not yeah you're about to be there

[01:34:14] I think he what

[01:34:16] yeah he tries to kill her

[01:34:18] um like fully

[01:34:20] it's not in the original we're like

[01:34:22] not that part anyways

[01:34:24] he like fully like

[01:34:26] Sephiroth is basically like she's not

[01:34:28] who she says she is like this is an

[01:34:30] imposter she's basically

[01:34:32] like Sephiroth just keeps telling

[01:34:34] cloud like that

[01:34:36] everything that he thinks is just

[01:34:38] Genova like corrupting everything

[01:34:40] and he's like just kill her

[01:34:42] kill her she's not that's not who you think it is

[01:34:44] and he he fucking makes

[01:34:46] a pretty good attempt like

[01:34:48] Dan like

[01:34:49] Sephiroth only does it twice and it works

[01:34:51] yeah it works both times where he

[01:34:53] that's that's how that's how strong

[01:34:55] that bond is you know

[01:34:57] but yeah that's uh

[01:34:59] coming up real soon for you that's actually

[01:35:01] the toward the end

[01:35:03] of gongaga is one of my

[01:35:05] one of my favorite parts

[01:35:07] uh just like that whole battle that

[01:35:09] ensues I did

[01:35:11] struggle with that boss a little bit

[01:35:13] Scarlet in her like fucking

[01:35:15] Gundam that she's in

[01:35:17] that was

[01:35:19] that was a tough fight um

[01:35:21] but yeah so

[01:35:23] um

[01:35:25] Greg past gongaga

[01:35:27] uh I mean if you if you know

[01:35:29] the original you know what's

[01:35:31] coming up after gongaga right

[01:35:33] I don't really know the original

[01:35:35] oh okay um

[01:35:37] so

[01:35:39] like what what do you

[01:35:41] like how much do you

[01:35:43] want to dip out on

[01:35:45] like is it just the end stuff

[01:35:47] or do you do you care about like the next

[01:35:49] area after gongaga

[01:35:51] we'll tell you what I'm

[01:35:53] going to

[01:35:55] I don't wonder if I can mute

[01:35:57] I'm going to mute

[01:35:59] you can yeah you definitely

[01:36:01] I'm going to deafen

[01:36:03] and then uh

[01:36:05] just send me a message when you

[01:36:07] send through messenger I won't be looking at the screen

[01:36:09] when you're all done I'll come back

[01:36:11] okay

[01:36:13] alright let's see if this works

[01:36:15] yeah so

[01:36:17] I thought the Cosmo Canyon stuff was

[01:36:19] kind of cool um

[01:36:21] that's like red stuff

[01:36:23] I like red

[01:36:25] dude I could not remember

[01:36:27] at all

[01:36:29] um

[01:36:31] when like

[01:36:33] when red was talking to erith

[01:36:35] and it was like the kid voice I was like

[01:36:37] what the fuck is going on

[01:36:39] I honestly don't remember that from

[01:36:41] the original it is in the original though

[01:36:43] I had to look it up it is in the original

[01:36:45] because I guess they

[01:36:47] what they did in the original was he talked

[01:36:49] really like um

[01:36:51] yeah like good day

[01:36:53] like and like just yeah

[01:36:55] just like talked more mature and then afterward

[01:36:57] he'd be like okay guys

[01:36:59] with lots of exclamation marks and stuff

[01:37:01] like they made him seem like

[01:37:03] he was a lot younger through the

[01:37:05] power of

[01:37:07] uh literature

[01:37:09] yeah

[01:37:11] use the right words

[01:37:13] no I so I'm with

[01:37:15] you on the whole like I think

[01:37:17] okay that was also

[01:37:19] something that I felt like was really

[01:37:21] not explained

[01:37:23] very well one like

[01:37:25] why was he talking to erith like

[01:37:27] that and not anybody else like it didn't

[01:37:29] like when did erith find out that he talked

[01:37:31] like that did she like what

[01:37:33] what was the context

[01:37:35] for him talking to her

[01:37:37] like that but no one else like

[01:37:39] that I get the whole like um he wanted

[01:37:41] to be seen as seem as more matured everybody

[01:37:43] else but then why was he talking to her

[01:37:45] because they both have like

[01:37:47] a connection

[01:37:49] to the life stream in a way

[01:37:51] I feel like

[01:37:53] by the time like that's the whole

[01:37:55] it's been taken away from them

[01:37:57] I guess maybe he just

[01:37:59] just like so why is he talking to her or something

[01:38:01] I don't know he just like wanted

[01:38:03] to confide in someone

[01:38:05] but jaren wouldn't that be amazing if they had

[01:38:07] shown their relationship at all

[01:38:09] on screen instead of us

[01:38:11] having to speculate it

[01:38:13] speculate about this like afterwards

[01:38:17] and maybe

[01:38:19] I didn't

[01:38:21] realize that the voice thing

[01:38:23] happened uh that it was him

[01:38:25] until I got towards the end of the game

[01:38:27] and then I thought back with all the stuff that I thought

[01:38:29] was like

[01:38:31] weird or random

[01:38:33] or dumb or any like stuff I was like what the

[01:38:35] fuck was even that and then I like

[01:38:37] thought about like who's talking to erith

[01:38:39] and then I had that connection

[01:38:41] connected with like being like oh

[01:38:43] that was just red

[01:38:45] that whole time it was red even though

[01:38:49] and they just like didn't really

[01:38:51] talk about why or anything

[01:38:53] like that and I was like okay that was

[01:38:55] fucking random yeah yeah it was a little

[01:38:57] confusing but I did like the cosmocannia

[01:38:59] stuff I thought it was it was kind of funny

[01:39:01] because uh I was always trying to

[01:39:03] please tifa and like choose the right

[01:39:05] things but when they were like kind of

[01:39:07] sitting in there like hippie circle and she

[01:39:09] like did her whole spiel and she was like

[01:39:11] talking and she like wanted to open

[01:39:13] up and then like you had the you had like

[01:39:15] the decision like for cloud like to

[01:39:17] say something to her

[01:39:19] and yeah I think I accidentally

[01:39:21] chose like that was pretty rough

[01:39:23] but good job

[01:39:27] that's what I intentionally picked

[01:39:29] um to piss her off

[01:39:31] alright but no I

[01:39:33] agree I like this stuff I like

[01:39:35] the khanian stuff I like this stuff with

[01:39:37] the gi for them for

[01:39:39] that was cool that dungeon was kind

[01:39:41] of cool yeah I like

[01:39:43] I as much as

[01:39:45] there were like parts where we were playing as the other characters and I didn't like

[01:39:47] enjoy

[01:39:49] was fun to play as though

[01:39:51] right it was fun that his wall

[01:39:53] climb climb gimmick was

[01:39:55] enjoyable and he this is great

[01:39:57] um

[01:39:59] and I really like red as a character

[01:40:01] anyways so yeah

[01:40:03] he's enjoyed it

[01:40:05] um it was really neat to see

[01:40:07] like one thing that I really

[01:40:09] like now I'm jumping ahead quite a bit here

[01:40:11] um

[01:40:13] to some of the

[01:40:15] very late stuff

[01:40:17] at one point you have to

[01:40:19] uh kind of go through like these

[01:40:21] trials with each character

[01:40:23] and it's like a

[01:40:25] flashback of some sort of like suffering

[01:40:27] for each character

[01:40:29] and this oh my god man

[01:40:31] the stuff that they showed was red I was like

[01:40:33] I don't want to do this

[01:40:35] I don't want to do this at all like

[01:40:37] when you have to like hold down on like the triggers

[01:40:39] to like push his paws

[01:40:41] out to like yeah like

[01:40:43] resist against like them pulling on the chain

[01:40:45] and then just like and he's just like a

[01:40:47] yeah he's like a child

[01:40:49] and like he's a child burning him

[01:40:51] and shit like meh fuck hojo

[01:40:53] meh fuck that guy yeah I fucking

[01:40:55] hate hojo

[01:40:57] um and anything like

[01:40:59] here here's something I'll give the game

[01:41:01] I think the game did a decent like

[01:41:03] a good job of making hojo even

[01:41:05] shittier yeah they did really

[01:41:07] um

[01:41:09] and

[01:41:11] this is like I don't know if

[01:41:13] here's

[01:41:15] I don't know this is a

[01:41:17] so because like I

[01:41:19] like so I

[01:41:21] watched

[01:41:23] some like I've seen dirt someone

[01:41:25] play through all of dirge's Cerberus

[01:41:27] I've played crisis for myself

[01:41:29] I've watched avenge

[01:41:31] and I've watched them play through the

[01:41:33] original seven like all of this stuff

[01:41:35] like I've done before

[01:41:37] even like I did before

[01:41:39] remake right it's like

[01:41:41] I know a lot of stuff about

[01:41:43] the world of Final Fantasy 7

[01:41:45] and it's like

[01:41:47] learning about hojo

[01:41:49] and dirge's Cerberus is like

[01:41:51] a whole

[01:41:53] another level of wow that character

[01:41:55] is just absolute trash and really

[01:41:57] and yeah

[01:41:59] and I don't remember I want to play that game

[01:42:01] I know that the game is not supposed to be that great

[01:42:03] but I have it at my disposal

[01:42:05] now with my setup that I have done

[01:42:07] with the ps2 and like

[01:42:09] I don't give a shit I like I'll play

[01:42:11] like mediocre games because I'll tell you

[01:42:13] going back sometimes to

[01:42:15] to like some of these older games that were like

[01:42:17] flagged as like mediocre stuff

[01:42:19] I still managed to have a good time with them

[01:42:21] I don't know call me crazy

[01:42:23] dirt like

[01:42:25] I think dirge's Cerberus like I love

[01:42:27] the instant because of dirge's Cerberus like

[01:42:29] I

[01:42:31] really like Vincent's character

[01:42:33] I wish there was more of Vincent's character

[01:42:35] in this game because

[01:42:37] damn dude having Matt

[01:42:39] Mercer as Vincent was so fucking good

[01:42:41] like a few times that he talked

[01:42:43] and like just his

[01:42:45] so that was more annoying why another moment when I was like

[01:42:47] I was so annoyed that we were playing as

[01:42:49] kate sith and it was so frustratingly slow

[01:42:51] because I was like I just want to

[01:42:53] get in that room

[01:42:55] yeah

[01:42:57] they did a really good job with

[01:42:59] Vincent and just like his

[01:43:01] brooding just like

[01:43:03] I don't give a fuck about you guys but you know

[01:43:05] who I want to kill I want to kill that motherfucker

[01:43:07] Sephiroth like

[01:43:09] just that hatred that he has it's like

[01:43:11] oh shit I thought cloud hated Sephiroth

[01:43:13] but not as much as this guy

[01:43:15] Vincent also has a lot of guilt

[01:43:19] yeah yeah he like he's got

[01:43:21] a really like interesting backstory

[01:43:23] and stuff which I really do hope

[01:43:25] that they expand on it in the new one

[01:43:27] because again this is

[01:43:29] a spoiler but you don't get

[01:43:31] to play as Vincent

[01:43:33] I think that I'll think

[01:43:35] Vincent and said are going to be

[01:43:37] way more involved than maybe even actual playable

[01:43:39] in the next one so I don't

[01:43:41] like similar

[01:43:43] similarly to like what red was

[01:43:45] yeah they did kind of the same thing right

[01:43:47] like at the end of remake you get

[01:43:49] red he's there but like you don't get to use

[01:43:51] him

[01:43:53] so like I would say you're gonna

[01:43:55] you're gonna be able to

[01:43:57] have them

[01:43:59] in your party more or

[01:44:01] maybe not said they might

[01:44:03] limit said to just being like

[01:44:05] transport hope but I think Vincent

[01:44:07] but they'll definitely

[01:44:09] have Vincent they have an open slot

[01:44:11] they can definitely he's got guns

[01:44:13] yeah I like

[01:44:15] and okay here's

[01:44:17] George you know who Sephiroth's dad

[01:44:19] is

[01:44:21] I don't think so

[01:44:25] okay and then I won't say anything

[01:44:27] why is that because this is a dirt

[01:44:29] really yeah

[01:44:31] see I gotta play this game

[01:44:33] like DERGE of

[01:44:35] service tells you Vincent's backstory

[01:44:37] it's how it like really tie it ties into

[01:44:39] like his

[01:44:41] guilt and his anger

[01:44:43] and his like emotions towards like

[01:44:45] Sephiroth you find out like

[01:44:47] more about Hojo and why

[01:44:49] Hojo is just absolutely garbage

[01:44:51] so

[01:44:53] knowing how shitty Hojo is and how

[01:44:55] so much of

[01:44:57] like the bad things that

[01:44:59] happen to most of these characters

[01:45:01] is because like

[01:45:03] of stuff that Hojo did

[01:45:07] like all those years ago

[01:45:09] having him really

[01:45:11] like kind of brought

[01:45:13] to the forefront

[01:45:15] as this like sadistic

[01:45:17] psychopathic

[01:45:19] like evil mad

[01:45:21] scientist with no morals

[01:45:23] or ethics

[01:45:25] and like

[01:45:27] really really really putting a spotlight on that

[01:45:29] I think was

[01:45:31] pretty smart on their part I think they should just go

[01:45:33] like fucking all out

[01:45:35] in the third one

[01:45:37] no for showing him

[01:45:39] like the way he really is

[01:45:41] one thing that I definitely I've been itching to get to

[01:45:43] I've been really itching

[01:45:45] is

[01:45:47] the temple of the agents

[01:45:51] I

[01:45:53] don't

[01:45:55] I feel like I was having some kind of like

[01:45:57] fucking Mandela effect or something

[01:45:59] because I was like wait

[01:46:01] temple of the Asians isn't this where

[01:46:03] Aerith dies

[01:46:05] I'm with you in that whole time

[01:46:07] yeah I was like

[01:46:09] when I got there I was like oh shit

[01:46:11] here we go better

[01:46:13] buckle up and then like

[01:46:15] yeah dude okay

[01:46:17] the whole thing with cloud turned into

[01:46:19] a serial killer I don't remember

[01:46:21] that shit at all

[01:46:23] okay so this is a spoiler

[01:46:25] thing that I wanted

[01:46:27] like when when frag was talking about

[01:46:29] like how characters talked in app

[01:46:31] like around each other and to each other this was

[01:46:33] something that I like is a spoiler and so I

[01:46:35] didn't say it but I

[01:46:37] it drove me absolutely fucking

[01:46:39] insane and it drew from my cousin insane

[01:46:41] too while he was like watching

[01:46:43] how throughout the entire

[01:46:45] game nobody

[01:46:47] like at like barely ever said

[01:46:49] anything to cloud about him acting like

[01:46:51] completely and totally fucking

[01:46:53] insane and it

[01:46:55] here like

[01:46:57] they would give you like

[01:46:59] by gungaga they would give each other books

[01:47:01] but before that even after

[01:47:03] you try to it wasn't too bad

[01:47:05] he tries to kill Tifa

[01:47:07] he tries to kill Tifa and then after

[01:47:09] he tries to kill her

[01:47:11] she comes back and she's like are you good

[01:47:13] nothing

[01:47:15] Jerry, Jerry I

[01:47:17] that was when I'm like I'm done with this character

[01:47:19] that was the full moment where

[01:47:21] I gave up on Tifa as a whole

[01:47:23] well the whole party was just like

[01:47:25] I guess they were just like side eyeing him

[01:47:27] we're like we gotta probably keep an eye on this guy

[01:47:29] well like here's

[01:47:31] here's like I'm like how hard are you

[01:47:33] stimping for that fucking dick

[01:47:35] that he tries to kill you

[01:47:37] and then he just stays literally nothing

[01:47:39] it

[01:47:41] it's roaming insane

[01:47:43] and then like the

[01:47:45] continued like I like

[01:47:47] and then after that point in time

[01:47:49] whenever he said or did stuff and nothing happened

[01:47:51] there was literally at the part where you're

[01:47:53] climbing um the

[01:47:55] mountain uh like

[01:47:57] you're outside Nebelheim and you're climbing the thing

[01:47:59] and he says the

[01:48:01] exact same thing that

[01:48:03] Sephiroth says in the beginning

[01:48:05] and reacts to it and she still

[01:48:07] does

[01:48:09] say anything to her

[01:48:11] are you kidding me

[01:48:13] I enjoyed

[01:48:15] I enjoyed the little uh the

[01:48:17] Sephiroth whispers into clouds

[01:48:19] ear and like I actually did like

[01:48:21] watching cloud start to go crazy but like

[01:48:23] I'm not saying I didn't

[01:48:25] like it I'm just saying everybody else

[01:48:27] is at reaction to it irritated me

[01:48:29] yeah but Tifa's

[01:48:31] drove me absolutely insane

[01:48:33] so that part

[01:48:35] so at the temple of the agents

[01:48:37] once shit goes down

[01:48:39] and you get the black materia

[01:48:41] I barely remember that

[01:48:43] and then cloud goes fully

[01:48:45] psycho and

[01:48:47] you have to like control him

[01:48:49] to walk toward eritha like

[01:48:51] you and eritha and

[01:48:53] Sephiroth are up on like these fucking

[01:48:55] vines and shit and

[01:48:57] Sephiroth is basically like

[01:48:59] okay go get that black

[01:49:01] materia because eritha takes it

[01:49:03] and

[01:49:05] running away and then you take control of cloud

[01:49:07] and you have to like move toward her

[01:49:09] I was like pulling back and I was just

[01:49:11] like I don't want to do this

[01:49:13] I put the controller down and like

[01:49:15] I put the controller down and looked at

[01:49:17] jack and was like fully like if I

[01:49:19] have to move if they make me move

[01:49:21] I'm never finishing this

[01:49:23] I was starting to panic then because

[01:49:25] like I don't remember any of that

[01:49:27] happening in the original so like

[01:49:29] I was like

[01:49:31] I was like we're killing her

[01:49:33] exactly I was like shit is this

[01:49:35] the fucking part like

[01:49:37] are they gonna flip the script now and make cloud killer

[01:49:39] I was like that's gonna be

[01:49:41] some rough shit man

[01:49:43] because hey he already tried to

[01:49:45] fully kill me so like I was like

[01:49:47] he's gonna not gonna

[01:49:49] you know pull his punch in

[01:49:51] type thing

[01:49:53] here is the thing

[01:49:55] um

[01:49:57] the few spoiler things that I

[01:49:59] really want to get out of the way so that we can

[01:50:01] you know we we don't want to drag this

[01:50:03] on too too long here

[01:50:05] no I don't want time for this game

[01:50:07] okay

[01:50:09] I'm gonna bring up a

[01:50:11] pain point I'm sorry but I'm gonna

[01:50:13] bring up a pain point

[01:50:15] cloud and tifa canon

[01:50:17] so actually

[01:50:19] why not hilarious about that

[01:50:21] not canon in the game I played

[01:50:23] did erithan

[01:50:25] canon in everybody's game

[01:50:27] what

[01:50:29] what

[01:50:31] I was like but yeah

[01:50:33] you're like oh so yeah

[01:50:35] if you go on a date with tifa they

[01:50:37] kids if you go on a date with eritha they don't

[01:50:39] but I didn't go on a date

[01:50:41] with tifa so

[01:50:43] they're not tifa and

[01:50:45] cloud or canon in my game

[01:50:47] but you know what happened in everybody's

[01:50:49] game the ending and

[01:50:51] the little fever dream

[01:50:53] date thing so like

[01:50:55] also I want to add

[01:50:57] two things one

[01:50:59] um

[01:51:01] when you're at the gold saucer

[01:51:03] in the first time

[01:51:05] and

[01:51:07] he says that

[01:51:09] you're going you're like you'll get

[01:51:11] the thing that you're seeking but it's gonna cost

[01:51:13] you the thing you treasure most

[01:51:15] so

[01:51:17] points for me

[01:51:19] and also in the original

[01:51:21] right before

[01:51:23] the uh right before erith

[01:51:25] goes off and dies

[01:51:27] in the original game

[01:51:29] um kait sith gives erith another fortune

[01:51:31] and in the she asks

[01:51:33] whether or not her and cloud are

[01:51:35] a good match and

[01:51:37] her fortune is that they're a perfect match

[01:51:39] so in the original they were

[01:51:41] they were a perfect match and then in this one

[01:51:43] I would say

[01:51:45] everybody experience

[01:51:47] except for like the literal

[01:51:49] you know optional

[01:51:51] date everyone experience

[01:51:53] the same story where

[01:51:55] cloud was told he was going to lose the thing that's most precious

[01:51:57] to him you have that full

[01:51:59] bit at the ending maybe he just meant like

[01:52:01] friends in general

[01:52:03] maybe you just meant friends

[01:52:05] in general sure

[01:52:07] you

[01:52:09] smoke that coke young um

[01:52:11] uh yeah so I don't know

[01:52:13] I've seen a number of things

[01:52:15] kind of pointing out the fact that like

[01:52:17] they really did

[01:52:19] emphasize that the cloud and

[01:52:21] tifa relationship is

[01:52:23] um going to

[01:52:25] I guess

[01:52:27] flourish a little more going forward

[01:52:29] uh especially into the third one

[01:52:31] yeah well I was like

[01:52:33] here's like

[01:52:35] my big thing

[01:52:37] here's my big takeaway from

[01:52:39] the original game

[01:52:41] uh

[01:52:43] my interpretation of the original game

[01:52:45] was always like that

[01:52:47] you know cloud

[01:52:49] and heirs kind of

[01:52:51] do fall in love with each other a little

[01:52:53] in the beginning right and

[01:52:55] her dying is like him losing

[01:52:57] his first love and then

[01:52:59] you know tifa needs to heal

[01:53:01] him and by the end they can be together

[01:53:03] because you know he she

[01:53:05] heals him or whatever

[01:53:07] and then he like starts to see

[01:53:09] her and will like

[01:53:11] with her at the end

[01:53:13] um once when he's like

[01:53:15] fully healed him

[01:53:17] that's I think also then

[01:53:19] reinforced through advent children

[01:53:21] where he's like

[01:53:23] ghosting tifa and like

[01:53:25] not coming home and ignoring her

[01:53:27] until he doesn't feel guilty

[01:53:29] about

[01:53:31] um air and

[01:53:33] zap to an extent anyway

[01:53:35] so and then you can finally

[01:53:37] say that he's like quote unquote

[01:53:39] he's okay he's home he's able to heal

[01:53:41] he can be with tifa

[01:53:43] so like they get together but

[01:53:45] like can we

[01:53:47] talk about zack for a second because

[01:53:49] I feel like they kind of he was totally unnecessary

[01:53:51] and he never should have happened so

[01:53:53] yeah I have a I have a

[01:53:55] bit of a gripe with the zack

[01:53:57] thing I feel like a complete waste of time

[01:53:59] we didn't get a lot of zack and even

[01:54:01] the stuff that we got I just was more

[01:54:03] confused because I was like

[01:54:05] at the end I was like they just fucking

[01:54:07] kill this motherfucker like

[01:54:09] after all this is he dead

[01:54:11] like if they don't bring him back in

[01:54:13] some way or like

[01:54:15] kind of reveal some crazy thing

[01:54:17] in three that is like oh no now

[01:54:19] he's like fully in this world or some crazy

[01:54:21] shit I don't know but like all the stuff

[01:54:23] with him was like very

[01:54:25] very confusing to me because I was like

[01:54:27] is he like purgatory I that's the whole

[01:54:29] that's the thing that I thought the whole time I was like

[01:54:31] are they in purgatory because

[01:54:33] he kept being like

[01:54:35] if cloud wakes up erith never

[01:54:37] will and if erith

[01:54:39] wakes up then cloud could never say the world

[01:54:41] kind of thing

[01:54:43] no

[01:54:45] this

[01:54:47] okay here's like

[01:54:49] I have like so many issues

[01:54:51] with this whole game

[01:54:53] and then these are the things that like

[01:54:55] really piled on so

[01:54:57] my like first like oh no

[01:54:59] I'm worried about where this game is going

[01:55:01] is when we

[01:55:03] were like in chapter

[01:55:05] 5 or 6 and hadn't seen anything

[01:55:07] from zax since the beginning and I was

[01:55:09] like

[01:55:11] please don't be gimmicky

[01:55:13] please don't have brought

[01:55:15] I do not want to end this game feeling like

[01:55:17] they

[01:55:19] just put a zack bit at the end of

[01:55:21] remake for shock value

[01:55:23] and like for oh my god

[01:55:25] look at this twin what do you think

[01:55:27] what's going on like what was going on

[01:55:29] with this parallel universe that's

[01:55:31] happening I can

[01:55:33] Sephiroth in a very confusing way

[01:55:35] completely explains it which also then

[01:55:37] leads to why the fuck is Sephiroth even doing

[01:55:39] these things his character is like makes

[01:55:41] less sense because of it anyways

[01:55:43] um

[01:55:45] so

[01:55:47] when

[01:55:49] when you

[01:55:51] destroyed destiny at

[01:55:53] the end of the first game you didn't

[01:55:55] actually change just the destiny Jerry

[01:55:57] you just created parallel universes

[01:55:59] okay um so

[01:56:01] that way the

[01:56:03] what's the point of the parallel universe

[01:56:05] nothing

[01:56:07] at this point

[01:56:09] um that's the like there's no

[01:56:11] point anyway it's so fucking

[01:56:13] so well that said

[01:56:15] sorry to cut you off but that said

[01:56:17] now the end let's

[01:56:19] let's quickly jump to because

[01:56:21] this all kind of ties in with how this

[01:56:23] plays out in the end and

[01:56:25] this is the thing that I've been wanting to get to

[01:56:27] is the end

[01:56:29] the thing everybody was waiting for the thing

[01:56:31] that everybody was like will they change it

[01:56:33] the fact that they

[01:56:35] fucking allow you

[01:56:37] to save erith for

[01:56:39] a brief second

[01:56:41] in time I was like oh shit

[01:56:43] they're gonna do it and then it was like oh no

[01:56:45] never mind they pulled the rug out from underneath

[01:56:47] us and they're just keeping it the same I was like

[01:56:49] wait what the fuck is going on

[01:56:51] like we didn't

[01:56:53] we didn't change anything like

[01:56:55] and you had said that to me too

[01:56:57] that the fact that like nothing

[01:56:59] actually changes in the world

[01:57:01] that we're in like there are

[01:57:03] slight influences that are changing

[01:57:05] little tiny things but

[01:57:07] not enough to fully change

[01:57:09] the outcome of the original story

[01:57:11] in that universe

[01:57:13] so well yeah they want

[01:57:15] to have it this is this is the

[01:57:17] ultimately my biggest

[01:57:19] fucking thing with this

[01:57:21] is that

[01:57:23] they want to have it every way

[01:57:25] they want to try

[01:57:27] and have it's like they want to have

[01:57:29] it in all the possibilities there's

[01:57:31] one timeline where don't worry guys

[01:57:33] there's one timeline where zaps alive

[01:57:35] don't worry guys there's one time

[01:57:37] erith is alive don't worry

[01:57:39] guys there's the same original timeline

[01:57:41] we're not really changing anything don't be mad

[01:57:43] at us so when she okay so when

[01:57:45] she died

[01:57:47] at the end of the game

[01:57:49] you know as it's supposed to happen

[01:57:51] but then like when cause like

[01:57:53] in the original cloud never ever seen

[01:57:55] visions of her like this

[01:57:57] when she died she was gone that was it

[01:57:59] yeah so this was like this was

[01:58:01] new this was like oh what the fuck

[01:58:03] is going on here and like

[01:58:05] I was confused cause I was like

[01:58:07] so he

[01:58:09] it doesn't it should be it doesn't

[01:58:11] cloud can see her now

[01:58:13] but like is that is he

[01:58:15] seeing into that

[01:58:17] parallel universe like is he

[01:58:19] not exactly

[01:58:21] yeah like there's so many unanswered

[01:58:23] questions I mean I like

[01:58:25] that in a way because I'm like okay

[01:58:27] what the fuck are they gonna do with the third one

[01:58:29] in a way it makes me

[01:58:31] a whole lot of nothing in a way it makes me mad

[01:58:33] because I was like what the fuck are they gonna do with this one

[01:58:35] to change the way

[01:58:37] that everything was

[01:58:39] but in the end they didn't

[01:58:41] they didn't really change anything really it's just

[01:58:43] that they added this parallel

[01:58:45] storyline that's like well how

[01:58:47] like this is the thing this is

[01:58:49] this is my take is that

[01:58:51] that parallel universe

[01:58:53] is somehow going to collide with

[01:58:55] this one like there's I

[01:58:57] I fully that's what saffron

[01:58:59] whole point is he's trying to just converge them

[01:59:01] all again okay

[01:59:03] that's he like they told you Jerry

[01:59:05] it's just a stupid

[01:59:07] so

[01:59:09] but it also doesn't make for

[01:59:11] why are you surprised that

[01:59:13] they they killed erith

[01:59:15] no

[01:59:17] not really I

[01:59:19] you know what

[01:59:21] because I anything is I it didn't

[01:59:23] have the weight

[01:59:25] that it had from the original to me

[01:59:27] because it was like at first second I was

[01:59:29] like wait is dead

[01:59:31] she's dead and then it was like

[01:59:33] when they're all sitting around like moping around

[01:59:35] and I was like then I see her there

[01:59:37] and I'm like oh she's not that then it like cuts

[01:59:39] to Tifa's vision and it's like

[01:59:41] oh she's not there oh clouds going crazy

[01:59:43] wait what's going on and I was like very confused because I was like

[01:59:46] what what like

[01:59:48] what is happening here is she dead or is she not dead so like

[01:59:50] the weight of her death

[01:59:52] in this one to me was like

[01:59:54] taken away

[01:59:56] and I feel like

[01:59:58] zero impact

[02:00:00] that's when I'm this game refuses to make choices

[02:00:03] it nothing that happened

[02:00:05] has any impact none of the

[02:00:07] narrative things that they

[02:00:09] like chosen to do matter

[02:00:11] there's no way to anything

[02:00:13] you when I like message talk

[02:00:15] like when I initially messaged you

[02:00:17] and well the group

[02:00:19] I was like how talking about how I hated

[02:00:21] the game

[02:00:23] and you jokingly

[02:00:25] responded with well I guess I know what happens to Eric

[02:00:27] immediately wanted to respond

[02:00:29] with like

[02:00:31] if they had killed her and actually

[02:00:33] it had mattered at all

[02:00:35] then I'd be fine but I mean

[02:00:37] in a sense I fully believe

[02:00:39] like they're not just going to be like

[02:00:41] do a whoopsie doopsie

[02:00:43] and be like

[02:00:45] yeah we kind of we tried

[02:00:47] to do this this parallel thing it's not really working out so

[02:00:49] we're going to try to reverse it I truly believe

[02:00:51] they're going to know I feel like

[02:00:53] I really feel like

[02:00:55] she is going to somehow

[02:00:57] be revived

[02:01:01] I just I don't

[02:01:03] I don't like it I don't like it because

[02:01:05] for

[02:01:07] well one I just really want to say I think

[02:01:09] with the parallel universes

[02:01:11] and the multiple of them like not

[02:01:13] just that there's our timeline and Zach's

[02:01:15] timeline but that there is

[02:01:17] multiple parallel universes

[02:01:19] I think that

[02:01:21] instead of just like kind of

[02:01:23] throwing all of that at the very end

[02:01:25] when every

[02:01:27] one they should have

[02:01:29] started cutting to Zach earlier

[02:01:31] and then every single time we cut to Zach

[02:01:33] we should because they were showing how there was

[02:01:35] the different ones by showing that there were different stamps

[02:01:37] like the dog mascots

[02:01:39] so they were

[02:01:41] in each of these universes

[02:01:43] and these parallel universes

[02:01:45] there was like a clear image

[02:01:47] where it showed

[02:01:49] where it showed stamp this dog

[02:01:51] propaganda

[02:01:53] mascot

[02:01:55] and he

[02:01:57] look his design was different so I think

[02:01:59] that they should have been

[02:02:01] kind of at the end

[02:02:03] of each chapter

[02:02:05] been kind of

[02:02:07] showing a little bit more of Zach and then each

[02:02:09] time

[02:02:11] or maybe at like chapter 3 the first time

[02:02:13] you see that

[02:02:15] like a stamp in the background

[02:02:17] and it's a different design

[02:02:19] from the ones that you've seen and then every single time

[02:02:21] you show Zach again

[02:02:23] make it more

[02:02:25] like the more obvious

[02:02:27] that these like put these stamps closer to the foreground

[02:02:29] so you can kind of like

[02:02:31] get a sense that oh there's like a lot more

[02:02:33] parallel worlds than just this one

[02:02:35] and you could be hinting

[02:02:37] further at like the

[02:02:39] parallel worlds are dying and all this stuff

[02:02:41] so like

[02:02:43] I think that should have been done

[02:02:45] for it to feel less stupid

[02:02:47] my final thing I guess as far as

[02:02:49] like the spoiler wall goes

[02:02:51] what did you think

[02:02:53] well maybe

[02:02:55] maybe I shouldn't phrase it that way because

[02:02:57] I've got to know what you think

[02:02:59] I'm curious

[02:03:01] to know

[02:03:03] because like

[02:03:05] Cloud said that whole thing of like

[02:03:07] don't look up at the sky

[02:03:09] yeah so I was like

[02:03:11] wait

[02:03:13] so that was something that was said

[02:03:15] to Zach

[02:03:17] from

[02:03:19] wasn't that Aira? No sorry

[02:03:21] no Aira said it to Cloud when they went on their

[02:03:23] Canon date that everybody

[02:03:25] experienced

[02:03:27] I did really enjoy that that was really cute

[02:03:29] I'm just

[02:03:31] you talked to this whole Tiva thing

[02:03:33] they have one Canon date and it's really cute

[02:03:35] and you start messaging me saying

[02:03:37] maybe

[02:03:39] I was like aw man

[02:03:41] aw I think I might have made a mistake here

[02:03:43] because like that little

[02:03:45] date that they go on and like

[02:03:47] it's almost like she knows

[02:03:49] that she's going to die and it's like

[02:03:51] this is the last time she already died

[02:03:53] yeah

[02:03:55] I also want to say like hey Jerry

[02:03:57] you know you really want to get into it

[02:03:59] Cloud

[02:04:01] fully tried to kill Tiva

[02:04:03] and he was going for it with Aerith

[02:04:05] but when Aerith tripped and fell

[02:04:07] he snapped out of it and jumped

[02:04:09] to save her he didn't jump to save Tiva

[02:04:11] after slashing her with a sword

[02:04:13] once again maybe those feelings

[02:04:15] aren't so strong

[02:04:17] only time will tell

[02:04:19] well they're going to end up together because

[02:04:21] they killed Aerithaw

[02:04:23] but um

[02:04:25] yeah so okay

[02:04:27] and the very last thing

[02:04:29] holy sweet

[02:04:31] fucking Jesus that last boss

[02:04:33] fucking 12 phases

[02:04:35] are you kidding me

[02:04:37] it was so stupid

[02:04:39] I still have more

[02:04:41] I want to say

[02:04:43] two things well two quick things

[02:04:45] one I really

[02:04:47] really want to say that like

[02:04:49] they should have either

[02:04:51] fully

[02:04:53] saved Aerith

[02:04:55] given

[02:04:57] players

[02:04:59] especially play like I once again

[02:05:01] I'm not as nostalgic about this game

[02:05:03] as most people

[02:05:05] but people who like

[02:05:07] aren't really like given those players the

[02:05:09] kind of satisfaction

[02:05:11] of saving Aerithaw for

[02:05:13] 20 plus years of like

[02:05:15] having that not happen I think that would have been

[02:05:17] like really kind of like

[02:05:19] cathartic and

[02:05:21] pretty cool for like

[02:05:23] people who were

[02:05:25] who had played it already and that was

[02:05:27] like such a shocking moment for them

[02:05:29] like that heartbreaking moment having that

[02:05:31] so either have it that way

[02:05:33] or have the impact of her death

[02:05:35] just heal her like normal

[02:05:37] yeah and have her death

[02:05:39] wait they didn't even show like

[02:05:41] for getting lowered into the water by

[02:05:43] cloud like they like literally

[02:05:45] gave us less they cut

[02:05:47] away from it and just see you just see like

[02:05:49] people being a bit like kind of yeah

[02:05:51] I see why

[02:05:53] one of the things I seen was people

[02:05:55] saying that they didn't really stick to landing

[02:05:57] and I think that's exactly what they're referring

[02:05:59] to is like the whole that whole

[02:06:01] end piece was just kind of like

[02:06:03] it felt it wasn't that it felt

[02:06:05] rushed it was just kind of like

[02:06:07] too many just a lot of weird

[02:06:09] decisions

[02:06:11] they're having trying to have it everyone but I also

[02:06:13] truly believe like it's a lot

[02:06:15] of work to do with the fact that we don't know

[02:06:17] what they have planned for

[02:06:19] the final part of this

[02:06:21] story so

[02:06:23] I guess we'll just have to see what happens

[02:06:25] well I guess I'll have to see

[02:06:27] because I don't think you'll be playing

[02:06:29] the next one

[02:06:31] I'm not definitely not spending any money on it

[02:06:33] the other

[02:06:35] thing was like Zach Polarius

[02:06:37] actually so funny one

[02:06:39] this like sequence of events

[02:06:41] with Zach during that like 20 part

[02:06:43] boss fight

[02:06:47] him

[02:06:49] at one point in time

[02:06:51] he like you know

[02:06:53] I'm also

[02:06:55] I want to add I'm simple I'm a very

[02:06:57] simple person

[02:06:59] when cloud

[02:07:01] ends out fighting side by side

[02:07:03] pretty fun cool

[02:07:07] and they did their synergy I was like cry

[02:07:09] but he falls and he like says

[02:07:11] to cloud safer and it's like bitch

[02:07:13] she already did

[02:07:15] we already

[02:07:17] didn't do that sorry buddy

[02:07:19] that's why I truly believe

[02:07:21] like there's a reason behind

[02:07:23] that I still feel like

[02:07:25] there's going to be something

[02:07:27] they have to do something

[02:07:29] in the next one like there's gonna be some

[02:07:31] fucking big twist or something

[02:07:33] potentially but

[02:07:35] there could be but he also then

[02:07:37] like says this is also funny

[02:07:39] because then during like cut scene

[02:07:41] a little bit later he falls

[02:07:43] into a white void and says goodbye

[02:07:45] and then like four seconds after

[02:07:47] that we see another cut scene with him

[02:07:49] so it's like he like

[02:07:51] fades into the white and is like goodbye

[02:07:53] almost like my job here is done

[02:07:55] and then like four seconds after that he's like

[02:07:57] here I am again

[02:07:59] goodbye

[02:08:01] just I'm saying it was so stupid

[02:08:03] yeah that boss fight though

[02:08:05] holy fuck

[02:08:07] well I wouldn't say like your take is that

[02:08:09] it's bad my take was that it wasn't bad

[02:08:11] it was just that I was not

[02:08:13] I was so

[02:08:15] ill prepared for that fucking fight

[02:08:17] because I didn't I truly

[02:08:19] didn't expect it to be like

[02:08:21] a fucking 15 phase

[02:08:23] boss fight and then though

[02:08:25] so here's the funny thing I have a funny

[02:08:27] story so

[02:08:29] in the very last part of that

[02:08:31] boss fight of course who

[02:08:33] do you think you fight Sefroff

[02:08:35] and the only

[02:08:37] two people you can use

[02:08:39] in that fight are cloud

[02:08:41] and Aerith now

[02:08:43] that said when Aerith

[02:08:45] died I went oh

[02:08:47] well I guess she's dead and I

[02:08:49] removed everything

[02:08:51] from her and I put it

[02:08:53] into other people because I was kind of using

[02:08:55] Barrett as like a healer so

[02:08:57] what I had to having

[02:08:59] to do which was totally

[02:09:01] fucked so I truly like to believe

[02:09:03] that I played it on like extra hard mode

[02:09:05] especially for this last phase

[02:09:07] of this boss I had to use

[02:09:09] cloud as the healer

[02:09:13] he was the only one with a fucking

[02:09:15] healing spell

[02:09:17] that I actually saved the video

[02:09:19] of me fighting Sefroff because it was

[02:09:21] bonkers how

[02:09:23] I had to do that fight and

[02:09:25] like I had to make Aerith

[02:09:27] like do some boss

[02:09:29] ass shit like

[02:09:31] constantly like she did have like magic

[02:09:33] and stuff like that and I did have

[02:09:35] I was lucky enough that I did have

[02:09:37] some of those wards

[02:09:39] unlocked and stuff and that was kind of

[02:09:41] the only saving grace that I had

[02:09:43] and I quickly realized like there were certain things

[02:09:45] that like

[02:09:47] when he slams his sword

[02:09:49] into the ground and does like the tornado

[02:09:51] if you attack the sword

[02:09:53] it instantly staggers him

[02:09:55] there was a couple of things that you could do

[02:09:57] to like kind of instantly stagger

[02:09:59] Sefroff now I will say this

[02:10:03] the thing that saved me

[02:10:05] was my good old buddy Bahamut

[02:10:09] he came to my rescue and really

[02:10:11] fucking annihilated Sefroff at one point

[02:10:13] I had him staggered and then

[02:10:15] Bahamut did his like final

[02:10:17] like the fucking omega flare thing

[02:10:19] and I was like holy shit

[02:10:21] and it was like down to the fucking

[02:10:23] wire and

[02:10:25] I'm pretty sure I ended the fight

[02:10:27] with a fucking

[02:10:29] with an infinity

[02:10:31] that's the move I chose to

[02:10:33] end it with

[02:10:35] but yeah it was absolutely

[02:10:37] insane like you had like

[02:10:39] like the fucking boss fight

[02:10:41] that you go through was like

[02:10:43] some last boss ass

[02:10:45] shit that I was

[02:10:47] happy to see but again

[02:10:49] I wasn't

[02:10:51] I didn't expect it to go on that

[02:10:53] like that boss fight was like hours

[02:10:55] long it was crazy

[02:10:57] it was like an hour and a bit

[02:10:59] because like with cut

[02:11:01] with cutscenes it was about like an hour

[02:11:03] in a little bit

[02:11:05] I

[02:11:07] have a similar fun story

[02:11:09] with that boss fight

[02:11:11] it was

[02:11:13] I had to work the next

[02:11:15] morning and I had a meeting at like

[02:11:17] 9am

[02:11:19] and I had to be on camera so like I had to get up

[02:11:21] and get ready for it and

[02:11:23] I was like oh you know

[02:11:25] I was like halfway through the temple

[02:11:27] of the ancients at like

[02:11:29] 6pm and I was like I'll just like finish

[02:11:31] this game tonight

[02:11:33] and my cousin was with me like I said we were sitting

[02:11:35] there watching it

[02:11:37] he was watching me and

[02:11:39] we got it

[02:11:41] to that boss fight and it was

[02:11:43] like

[02:11:45] we got through that boss fight

[02:11:47] or we got to the end we got to the

[02:11:49] Sephiroth fight I was

[02:11:51] like so close to killing him

[02:11:53] we were in that like

[02:11:55] tornado or like when he

[02:11:57] has that like wall of

[02:11:59] feathers it was like

[02:12:01] in that I had his HP almost

[02:12:03] down

[02:12:05] and my camera

[02:12:07] got like

[02:12:09] stuck outside the feathers

[02:12:11] somehow so I

[02:12:13] couldn't see anything

[02:12:15] I want to add to

[02:12:17] for context I actually

[02:12:19] had the only character

[02:12:21] I had Cure on was Cloud

[02:12:23] the entire game

[02:12:25] I did not because

[02:12:27] I was using Aerith's limit break

[02:12:29] for healing

[02:12:31] winds or whatever

[02:12:33] when it came up and that

[02:12:35] between that and then

[02:12:37] Cloud getting some

[02:12:39] like heals in and then having potions

[02:12:41] and stuff like that I Clouds the only one

[02:12:43] who starts out with a healing materia

[02:12:45] so I just didn't really feel the need to

[02:12:47] do anything with it

[02:12:49] what I had trouble with was

[02:12:51] well I had to I didn't

[02:12:53] I didn't use

[02:12:55] obviously didn't I didn't use Tifa

[02:12:57] a whole lot and I didn't

[02:12:59] use Yuffie

[02:13:01] and I didn't have any materia

[02:13:03] on Yuffie because I

[02:13:05] never used her and

[02:13:07] during the part of the fight where you had

[02:13:09] to play as them and you had to use magic on the wings

[02:13:11] I basically

[02:13:13] only had Red and Tifa

[02:13:15] to really use magic with

[02:13:19] so that was really fucking irritating

[02:13:21] by the time

[02:13:23] the trick that

[02:13:25] I got stuck on you

[02:13:27] that I used for that

[02:13:29] that I realized after dying a bunch of times

[02:13:31] on that part

[02:13:33] was if you used

[02:13:35] Yuffie's

[02:13:37] like the shuriken thing

[02:13:39] where she like throws it and then you change the magic element

[02:13:41] that like fuck those wings

[02:13:43] up like big time but it took me like

[02:13:45] 4 tries to realize that I could do that

[02:13:47] I was doing that

[02:13:49] and I didn't realize

[02:13:51] that I needed to use magic on the wings at all

[02:13:53] for the first little bit of it

[02:13:55] it was 1am I'm not

[02:13:57] hated this game already

[02:13:59] I was like me and my cousin

[02:14:01] spent literally the past 6 hours bitching about it

[02:14:05] and

[02:14:07] we were too busy to be fair

[02:14:09] we were too busy complaining about everything

[02:14:11] and we didn't really pay attention

[02:14:13] so I

[02:14:15] eventually did realize I had to use magic

[02:14:17] and I had

[02:14:19] fire on red

[02:14:21] and I had

[02:14:23] fire materia on red and I had ice materia

[02:14:25] on Tifa

[02:14:27] so I just would attack

[02:14:29] the thing in the middle that took no damage

[02:14:31] to get their ATBs

[02:14:33] all the way up and then when those wings

[02:14:35] turned to the specific weaknesses

[02:14:37] like that I just did that

[02:14:39] once when I realized what was going on

[02:14:41] it took like 2 seconds to do

[02:14:43] but it was like

[02:14:45] before that I was like oh my god

[02:14:47] the funny thing was

[02:14:49] is that because

[02:14:51] my camera got stuck outside

[02:14:53] the feather tornado thing

[02:14:55] I could not see anything

[02:14:57] I ended up dying

[02:14:59] and when

[02:15:01] the

[02:15:03] options came up to start from

[02:15:05] the first option is start from checkpoints

[02:15:07] and start from this fight

[02:15:09] then there's start from fight or something

[02:15:11] there's a third option

[02:15:13] the third option confused me

[02:15:15] and made me think that was the thing

[02:15:17] that was starting from the very beginning

[02:15:19] of

[02:15:21] the fight like as in going back

[02:15:23] to part one

[02:15:25] because there was also then like return

[02:15:27] to save and return to

[02:15:29] menu there were so many options

[02:15:33] and I was like when they say return

[02:15:35] to this fight do they mean this one

[02:15:37] that I'm doing right now

[02:15:39] and I said yeah

[02:15:41] did that which just put me back

[02:15:43] to the literal very beginning of the

[02:15:45] whole boss fight like all 10 parts

[02:15:47] and so I went

[02:15:49] no

[02:15:51] it was like

[02:15:53] I'm not doing one hour of fighting again

[02:15:55] to get to the end then it's 1am

[02:15:57] and I have to work

[02:15:59] I have to get up in like 6 hours

[02:16:01] so I was like

[02:16:03] just turned it off and was like

[02:16:05] yeah this game hates me and it knows I hate it

[02:16:07] um yeah well

[02:16:09] um that was so shit

[02:16:11] okay well

[02:16:13] but I just want to say

[02:16:15] I think it's very

[02:16:17] to your point you're like what do you I think is going on with the

[02:16:19] um

[02:16:21] like cloud thing

[02:16:23] I think it's really unclear

[02:16:25] because

[02:16:27] while um

[02:16:29] it does seem like potentially that he is

[02:16:31] I think he like I think

[02:16:33] he's in both worlds or whatever

[02:16:35] like he's able to kind of he's existing

[02:16:37] like between them in a way

[02:16:39] like the one where

[02:16:41] he saves air from the one where he didn't

[02:16:43] he's kind of straddling the

[02:16:45] the line there in a way

[02:16:47] um

[02:16:49] I do believe that it's

[02:16:51] I still think it's unclear because

[02:16:53] even in the original game there is some

[02:16:55] implication that like you know

[02:16:57] even after Aerith dies like she's like kind of

[02:16:59] she becomes like in a way like the will of the

[02:17:01] life stream and has a massive

[02:17:03] like influence over

[02:17:05] the ending in particular but like

[02:17:07] she still is kind of like

[02:17:09] narratively relevant

[02:17:11] so uh that's why I was a little like

[02:17:13] is

[02:17:15] are they trying to say she's a ghost now and she's just like

[02:17:17] this is just her being

[02:17:19] dead but also being like

[02:17:21] able to influence things

[02:17:23] from beyond the grave or is this like

[02:17:25] cloud

[02:17:27] seeing the version of her that lived in the other

[02:17:29] parallel universe

[02:17:31] um well only

[02:17:33] only time will tell and by time

[02:17:35] I mean like 2028

[02:17:37] by the time we get

[02:17:39] the conclusion to this and we finally

[02:17:41] get to 20 what came

[02:17:43] out 2020 and 2020

[02:17:45] well there's like four four years in between

[02:17:47] so yeah

[02:17:49] PS6 launch game

[02:17:51] um I would say

[02:17:53] not too bad in the timeline of how long

[02:17:55] we'll wait for games yeah really honestly

[02:17:57] I

[02:17:59] I fully like

[02:18:01] fully recognize that this is the middle

[02:18:03] part of a three-part

[02:18:05] thing um I just

[02:18:07] like

[02:18:09] completely lost confidence

[02:18:11] in their ability to do anything

[02:18:13] with it because I just don't think

[02:18:15] they want to commit to anything

[02:18:17] um and I just

[02:18:19] I don't as someone who doesn't

[02:18:21] fully enjoy the combat

[02:18:23] either I'm gonna that

[02:18:25] was like I paid so much

[02:18:27] money to have I'm gonna tell Greg to come

[02:18:29] back now because we're kind of

[02:18:31] we're done with the spoilers

[02:18:33] yeah definitely but

[02:18:35] I just think that a big

[02:18:37] thing is like I just really do feel like I

[02:18:39] wasted my money and my time

[02:18:41] um

[02:18:43] and

[02:18:45] like when I finished the game

[02:18:47] at like

[02:18:49] the more time I sat with

[02:18:51] it the more like I disliked

[02:18:53] it like my initial

[02:18:55] thing was like

[02:18:57] well I hated all of that but like

[02:18:59] I don't know where they're going with the story so

[02:19:01] who's to say that none of this will go

[02:19:03] anywhere I just just really

[02:19:05] don't have that confidence and I think

[02:19:07] after

[02:19:09] not licking 16 and then not liking this

[02:19:11] game and so many

[02:19:13] people enjoying it

[02:19:15] it like kind

[02:19:17] of really like

[02:19:19] it shook me for

[02:19:21] bit I was like I don't know if I like

[02:19:23] games

[02:19:25] not like video games you like

[02:19:27] what you like because that's that's what it is

[02:19:29] and like that's that's the thing you know

[02:19:31] you were you were reluctant

[02:19:33] to sit down and have a conversation about this

[02:19:35] game because you were you didn't want to

[02:19:37] you know shit on something that

[02:19:39] that I mean to quote you said I don't want

[02:19:41] a bitch about something that you love and I told

[02:19:43] you I was like look I'm not like I don't

[02:19:45] take people's opinions and criticisms of

[02:19:47] games to heart and if anything

[02:19:49] it just opens up more of a conversation

[02:19:51] and and at the end

[02:19:53] of the day I

[02:19:55] didn't love every single goddamn thing

[02:19:57] about this game I had a lot of things that

[02:19:59] I actually kind of disliked

[02:20:01] a lot but at the end of the day

[02:20:03] I did really like it I wouldn't

[02:20:05] say I feel like

[02:20:07] you know in the grand

[02:20:09] scheme of things there's things that are

[02:20:11] probably going to take

[02:20:13] the its place as like

[02:20:15] my game of the year I mean there's

[02:20:17] things that I'm equally

[02:20:19] excited for to come out I mean even

[02:20:21] even that visions of

[02:20:23] like I'm starting to get hype about that

[02:20:25] and

[02:20:27] that's that's a very

[02:20:29] different kind of game but I still feel

[02:20:31] like for me personally

[02:20:33] that might who knows that might end up

[02:20:35] being my fucking game of the year because

[02:20:37] that is also

[02:20:39] kind of exactly where I want

[02:20:41] to be with like

[02:20:43] that type of game and

[02:20:45] I feel like

[02:20:47] what they did with Final Fantasy 7

[02:20:49] Rebirth was good

[02:20:51] for me but I understand

[02:20:53] totally like

[02:20:55] the majority of like yours and

[02:20:57] Greg's gripes with the game

[02:20:59] and I don't think that

[02:21:01] they're like un-warranted

[02:21:03] like I

[02:21:05] truly back you on a lot of the

[02:21:07] things do we both agree on

[02:21:09] everything? Barely ever

[02:21:11] there are

[02:21:13] things that we do agree on

[02:21:15] and honestly like

[02:21:17] if the three of us just agreed

[02:21:19] on every single thing we were all like

[02:21:21] we love everything about this

[02:21:23] thing everything that we talk about

[02:21:25] there wouldn't be much

[02:21:27] fun to having these conversations

[02:21:29] and I feel like that's kind of what

[02:21:31] makes a good conversation

[02:21:33] and it makes a good review too because

[02:21:35] it gives a very unbiased

[02:21:37] opinion of

[02:21:39] what this is so you're kind of getting

[02:21:41] all angles of

[02:21:43] how people like this

[02:21:45] game or don't like it

[02:21:47] in your case and that's

[02:21:49] totally fun and

[02:21:51] people that get mad when someone's like

[02:21:53] yeah I did not like

[02:21:55] Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth

[02:21:57] I mean you don't have to get mad about

[02:21:59] it just it is what it is

[02:22:01] like it doesn't necessarily

[02:22:03] have to be for everyone

[02:22:05] and that's exactly

[02:22:07] the case

[02:22:09] I don't think it's a perfect game

[02:22:11] I really enjoyed it

[02:22:13] I think Greg is

[02:22:15] liking it

[02:22:17] ish

[02:22:19] minus a few gripes

[02:22:21] I'd like it more if it was not

[02:22:23] voice acted and it was just text

[02:22:25] I think

[02:22:27] it's kind of like oh I don't like to yuck

[02:22:29] anybody's yum type thing especially coming

[02:22:31] from like a die hard king of hearts

[02:22:33] fan like I know what it's like to

[02:22:35] be something that people just like

[02:22:37] shit on so

[02:22:39] and I don't get super defensive about

[02:22:41] or I try not to get defensive about king of hearts

[02:22:43] most of the time because

[02:22:45] I get that it's not for everybody

[02:22:47] so I don't really like

[02:22:49] if I have just complaints

[02:22:51] about something like whatever that's fine

[02:22:53] I haven't hated anything

[02:22:55] this much

[02:22:57] and felt this level

[02:22:59] and this is completely irrational

[02:23:01] I know this is completely irrational

[02:23:03] I feel like the developers came into my room

[02:23:05] and shot me in my screen

[02:23:07] like I don't know

[02:23:09] and I don't know why

[02:23:11] I haven't felt this pissed off about

[02:23:13] where a story went

[02:23:15] and how things turned out

[02:23:17] and my investment

[02:23:19] of time and energy and money

[02:23:21] into

[02:23:23] a piece of media

[02:23:25] since the ending of the hundred

[02:23:27] that's the level of like

[02:23:29] irrationality

[02:23:31] I don't have time for that

[02:23:33] I know but that's the level of irrationality

[02:23:35] like

[02:23:37] personally annoyed I am

[02:23:39] and how much I feel like they attack me

[02:23:41] in my sleep and I know that's not real

[02:23:43] but I can't stop

[02:23:45] feeling that way

[02:23:47] I walked around the room

[02:23:49] I don't trust Square Enix anymore

[02:23:51] I'm thinking in part 4 is going to be shit

[02:23:53] what's Dom Trail going to be like

[02:23:55] if I don't like 16

[02:23:57] and I don't like this

[02:23:59] I feel like

[02:24:01] I finished that game

[02:24:03] and not only do I think I don't like video games anymore

[02:24:07] or at least there's something wrong with me

[02:24:09] I was getting straight up

[02:24:11] like I'm going to hate Kingdom Hearts 4

[02:24:13] I don't even want to play

[02:24:15] I'm not looking for that anymore

[02:24:17] I don't trust Square Enix as far as I can

[02:24:19] People change

[02:24:21] I thought

[02:24:23] that I was

[02:24:25] I stood tall on the hill

[02:24:27] of I don't like roguelikes

[02:24:29] and I also don't like card games

[02:24:31] and I also don't like MMOs

[02:24:33] but you know what

[02:24:35] people can change

[02:24:37] people can change

[02:24:39] one final I literally

[02:24:41] this is the last thing I have to say

[02:24:43] and then I will literally be done

[02:24:45] I promise

[02:24:47] I've just come after playing

[02:24:49] this game

[02:24:51] and 16

[02:24:53] and then just reflecting on

[02:24:55] the fantasy in general

[02:24:57] I've realized

[02:24:59] I'm not a fan of Final Fantasy

[02:25:01] I don't think I like Final Fantasy

[02:25:03] and it's not meant for me

[02:25:05] because the Final Fantasy games that I like

[02:25:07] are the one

[02:25:09] except

[02:25:11] but the Final Fantasy games that I like are the ones

[02:25:13] most people don't like

[02:25:15] my favorites

[02:25:17] are 2, 13

[02:25:19] and like 15

[02:25:21] and then the weird MMO one

[02:25:23] and then I like tactic

[02:25:25] that's totally fine

[02:25:27] I don't think that's the thing

[02:25:29] you think that you don't like

[02:25:31] Final Fantasy but

[02:25:33] those games were made for a reason

[02:25:35] and just because the popular opinion is that

[02:25:37] people don't necessarily like them

[02:25:39] I don't like Final Fantasy 10 that much

[02:25:41] and I know lots of people

[02:25:43] love Final Fantasy 10

[02:25:45] but I don't care for it that much

[02:25:47] but like just because

[02:25:49] you like the kind of

[02:25:51] underdogs of a series

[02:25:53] that doesn't necessarily mean that you don't

[02:25:55] like that series it just means that you like

[02:25:57] the series for different things

[02:26:01] yeah I think it's one of those things that it's like

[02:26:03] I think what

[02:26:05] usually

[02:26:07] people classifies like

[02:26:09] what fundamentally makes up a good Final Fantasy game

[02:26:11] and the things that most

[02:26:13] then fans like about Final Fantasy

[02:26:15] are not

[02:26:17] the things that I like so when people

[02:26:19] play Final Fantasy games and go

[02:26:21] yeah this isn't a Final Fantasy

[02:26:23] game or this portrays this aspect

[02:26:25] or I hate this Final Fantasy

[02:26:27] and it's not this I'm like

[02:26:29] oh so that means I'll like it

[02:26:31] because it's not a Final Fantasy game

[02:26:33] well in closing again

[02:26:35] there's not a lot left to be said here

[02:26:37] other than I enjoyed it

[02:26:39] Beth did not

[02:26:41] and Greg is

[02:26:43] somewhere in the middle I guess

[02:26:45] right?

[02:26:47] I would say probably somewhere in the middle

[02:26:49] but again my experience with it is very different

[02:26:51] yes exactly

[02:26:53] but I mean

[02:26:55] there you go that's what it is

[02:26:57] that is our Final Fantasy 7

[02:26:59] Rebirth review

[02:27:01] take from it what you will

[02:27:03] if you agree

[02:27:05] with some of the stuff that I said

[02:27:07] you're probably gonna like the game

[02:27:09] even if you don't agree with some of the stuff

[02:27:11] I said you might like the game

[02:27:13] if you agree with all the stuff that Beth sang

[02:27:15] you probably won't like it

[02:27:17] there's a lot you can

[02:27:19] you agree with what I'm saying you still might enjoy it

[02:27:21] exactly that's the point I'm trying to make

[02:27:23] and

[02:27:25] take from this review what you will

[02:27:27] and

[02:27:29] if you like what you hear then

[02:27:31] I fully encourage you to go play it

[02:27:33] if you didn't care for some of the things that you heard

[02:27:35] then play something else

[02:27:37] hold out for that visions of mana

[02:27:39] and Beth

[02:27:41] eventually you should probably play trials of mana

[02:27:43] all the things that you're saying

[02:27:45] that you want in a game

[02:27:47] are in that game

[02:27:49] and it's not a terribly long game

[02:27:51] please play trials of mana for me

[02:27:53] please please please

[02:27:55] it's fine if you hate it

[02:27:57] I've never hated anything more in my life

[02:27:59] I thought I hated Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth

[02:28:01] but I

[02:28:03] it's fine just fucking

[02:28:05] at some point please

[02:28:07] please for me just download that fucking game

[02:28:09] on PlayStation

[02:28:11] and just try it out because I

[02:28:13] but for God's sakes just turn the fucking

[02:28:15] in English voice acting off because

[02:28:17] it is atrocious

[02:28:19] I got experience

[02:28:21] that

[02:28:23] but look

[02:28:25] if you've stuck with us to the end here

[02:28:27] thanks for listening

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[02:28:41] keep an eye out

[02:28:43] for some more retro rehab

[02:28:45] now that Aaron and I have worked our schedules

[02:28:47] out and I am not plague-ridden

[02:28:49] because I feel like I've been

[02:28:51] I have been sick

[02:28:53] I have been perpetually sick

[02:28:55] for the last three months

[02:28:57] and yeah

[02:28:59] now that that's all worked out

[02:29:01] expect to see a lot more of retro rehab

[02:29:03] expect to see some more of us

[02:29:05] in the future hopefully with some YouTube stuff

[02:29:07] we'll be coming up eventually

[02:29:09] uh... yeah

[02:29:11] and um

[02:29:13] until next time

[02:29:15] we'll see you

[02:29:17] on the other side

[02:29:19] bye bye

[02:29:37] you