Geek Addicts - Episode 22: Discussing The Live Action Full Metal Alchemist Film!

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[00:00:30] Welcome to Geek Addicts, a pop culture podcast.

[00:00:42] Crap, I forgot who was doing the intro so I guess I'll do it this time.

[00:00:46] It was you anyway.

[00:00:48] Hi guys and welcome back to Geek Addicts. It's early in the morning for us.

[00:00:52] We're having a day already.

[00:00:54] How are you doing Matt?

[00:00:56] I'm sleepy. I only got like four hours of sleep last night.

[00:01:00] I hear you. I was playing Jackbox last night with a bunch of other podcasters and things got wacky.

[00:01:08] We didn't go to sleep till like 12 at night.

[00:01:12] Yeah, it's about the same for me but then Francis decided she wanted to start her day like four.

[00:01:16] Oh shit.

[00:01:18] One of those days for me.

[00:01:20] Yeah, no I hear you.

[00:01:22] I hear you.

[00:01:24] I went to game hunting yesterday so that was fun.

[00:01:28] Oh yeah, getting to get any good ones?

[00:01:30] Nothing massively like stand out.

[00:01:36] Unfortunately, I'm at that point collecting now where I have a lot of stuff and rare things are hard to find.

[00:01:42] I bought Independence Day on the Sega Saturn so it's a game.

[00:01:46] It has a game.

[00:01:48] Yeah, it's not good.

[00:01:49] It's based on the movie.

[00:01:50] Yeah, geez.

[00:01:52] I mean some people like it.

[00:01:54] It's not really that bad. It's just really boring.

[00:01:58] Yeah, well then that's kind of one of those things a lot of those kinds of games tend to be like that.

[00:02:04] Yeah, I pre-ordered this past week and pre-ordered the Sandland game.

[00:02:10] Nice. So I was sad about that. That doesn't come out until what late April?

[00:02:16] I want to say it's like 25th or something.

[00:02:20] I also found a couple of the old like PS1 jam packs that had like all those demos built into them.

[00:02:28] So those are always fun to look through just like out of curiosity.

[00:02:32] That was how I played medieval for the first time and like really sparked my interest in video games.

[00:02:40] Yeah, you find those things every now and then.

[00:02:44] So I wanted to ask you.

[00:02:48] So you have all the black and white Pokemon adventures, Mag of correct?

[00:02:54] Yes.

[00:02:55] Is the first volume like significantly shorter than the other one?

[00:02:58] Oh yeah.

[00:02:59] A lot.

[00:03:00] Because I've been looking around in like whenever on event, Amazon and stuff because before I wanted to,

[00:03:06] before I started ordering them, I wanted to make sure because I was noticing that like from two onward they were all like a standard length

[00:03:12] and then the first one was like half that.

[00:03:14] Yeah, volume ones like weirdly small.

[00:03:16] Yeah.

[00:03:18] All right. I just wanted to make sure before I started ordering them because I think I can get decent prices on them all but I didn't want to screw up and get the wrong one.

[00:03:26] Yeah. No, that's definitely the right one.

[00:03:30] The black and white aren't too hard to find. Black and white who is a bit more challenging for whatever reason?

[00:03:36] I've seen them on eBay, but there's only like what four or five of those.

[00:03:40] There's only four of them volume one was out of print for a while.

[00:03:44] It's I think they recently re-printed it, but I know when I bought it, I had to wait a while because like it was going for like $100 at one.

[00:03:52] It's so odd like how like print runs and manga works where like specific volumes of the series will just randomly be unavailable or you know things like that.

[00:04:04] Like I was recently looking into because I only have the first four of the Kenshin Visbigs and I was planning on getting the rest but that last one just for some reason is way more hard to find at a decent price than all of the other ones for a reasonable price for what the Visbigs generally cost.

[00:04:26] But like that last one, like you can't get it cheaper than $200.

[00:04:32] Yeah, it's weird. Like unfortunately, Kenshin I have a feeling isn't going to get re-printed any time soon probably one obvious reasons but yeah, I had the same problem with Dragon Ball Z volume six Visbig was like weirdly hard to find.

[00:04:48] So yeah, once I get to that point, I might have to just bite the bullet and deal with the mismatch and just get regular volumes or like the cheaper three and ones.

[00:04:59] The three the three ones are incredibly easy to find for Kenshin.

[00:05:03] Yeah, so I might have to just bite the bullet until I can find Visbig volume nine at a decent price.

[00:05:11] Yeah, speaking of manga, the final volume of Kage Sama comes out next Tuesday.

[00:05:18] I found it already because Barnes and Noble don't give a fuck.

[00:05:21] I was gonna say I'm pretty sure you're any posted that you had it already.

[00:05:24] Yeah, I went into Barnes and Noble because I figured I knew it was coming out and I was like I need to see that's there than I saw it.

[00:05:30] I'm like, fuck it mine. I actually snipe it from some girl that was looking for it too.

[00:05:36] Like I grabbed it and then I was kind of looking through other things and this girl walks into the aisle where like the manga are.

[00:05:44] And then she just does this thing that like teenagers do know that I don't understand where they just sit on the floor in the store.

[00:05:51] And then she like is fingering through all the Kage Sama manga and she's like looking exactly where the 28 I just pulled out was and she has this look of like anger on her face just goes.

[00:06:02] Just walks off and I'm just like, I think I just snipe her.

[00:06:08] So there's 28 volumes of that series.

[00:06:11] Yep, I guess some 28 volumes just ended well it ended like a year ago in Japan but it's officially done in American after.

[00:06:20] I gotcha yeah because that's what I've been considering looking into but I mean I still have a few unfinished series and I need to get the rest for I need to get the rest of you.

[00:06:29] I need to get more of the Pokemon's tension as I mentioned before super behind on Boreto and you need to get more of those.

[00:06:38] I hear you.

[00:06:40] So me and Alex finally watched a quiet onset.

[00:06:45] Oh, did you?

[00:06:47] Yeah.

[00:06:48] It's a pretty upsetting.

[00:06:50] The dance and I had this stuff I knew about and that wasn't early upset and then I found out fucking pickle boy was a massive pedophile and I was like god damn it.

[00:06:58] Yeah, I guess from the way it ended off I thought that it was that it was just those four episodes but apparently they're dropping out of their episode next month.

[00:07:08] Yeah, so we did me and Alex did a whole episode of GNC going over this because it affected Alex a lot harder than it affected me so I can imagine that episode will be pretty dark.

[00:07:23] A little worried about how it's going to be received but we'll see.

[00:07:27] Well, I mean everybody is going nuts about that documentary right now everyone's watching it and I've seen articles about it all over the place about all these old Nickelodeon star speaking up about it and.

[00:07:39] Yeah, no, the real wild part to me was he's seeing all the like all the big name like actors and producers and shit who like we're defending that guy.

[00:07:50] Yeah, there's a few in there that I really liked.

[00:07:53] Yeah, I'm like I didn't know how to feel about it after.

[00:07:59] Stop looking me off.

[00:08:01] Oh yeah.

[00:08:05] To the audio only listeners there's a middle finger on the bottom of his coffee cup every time he took a sip he flipped me up.

[00:08:14] I did a collab with this one so I can believe it didn't even think about it.

[00:08:17] I was like wow, I was like looking them off the whole time.

[00:08:20] Oh that's fine.

[00:08:21] I used to have a flask that just had fuck you on the bottom of it so I have you took a sip.

[00:08:25] It was the same thing.

[00:08:26] Yeah.

[00:08:29] Yeah, I'm trying to think other than that though not a whole lot going on this was a weird week.

[00:08:34] Oh, you're making an announcement.

[00:08:37] I've announced on every show but this one.

[00:08:40] You guys might have noticed Geek Addix is now in its own feed.

[00:08:44] Yes.

[00:08:45] No longer attached to the GNC feed we've officially branched this one out to its own show so if you all episodes episode 20 onward are now exclusively in the Geek Addix feed which you can still find in the link tree in the description and everything.

[00:09:00] Yes, which is nice because it's not going to lie like whenever like because not not many of my friends and family have actually inquired about it.

[00:09:08] But the few who have whenever I try to explain them how to find the episodes I understand like just go YouTube.

[00:09:15] It's easier.

[00:09:16] Yeah, yeah now it's much easier.

[00:09:20] Yeah, unfortunately we're going to have to rebuild a bit of our following because we've lost.

[00:09:25] We were we were reaching off of a GNC followers for a bit there.

[00:09:30] Well, I mean at this point anyone who's interested enough to have listened to the 19 episodes before got switched over.

[00:09:39] You know, I have to imagine that if they liked it enough to listen to all 19 episodes and they're probably going to continue.

[00:09:45] Yeah, hopefully we'll see it's going to be a little bit but at least now it's a bit easier to find in going forward we won't have any more confusion.

[00:09:56] And it won't have to fight with the one have to fight with GNC for listens because it is GNC's feed after all.

[00:10:03] Yeah, it was kind of nice though for the GNC feed getting two episodes a week though.

[00:10:09] Yeah, it was.

[00:10:11] For a little bit.

[00:10:13] Yeah, I really this is why episode 21-22?

[00:10:18] 21 I believe.

[00:10:20] I just realized in like or 20-22 maybe.

[00:10:23] Just a few weeks will be a little bit going for half a year.

[00:10:28] Yeah, that's crazy.

[00:10:30] Yeah, it doesn't feel like it at all.

[00:10:32] I still feel like a new.

[00:10:35] Yeah, I mean GNC is on its fourth year so I don't know how that happened.

[00:10:41] Yeah, that's flown by.

[00:10:45] Yeah, so anyways guys for this episode we had said last week that it's been a while since we did a live action anime adaption and decided we were going to talk about the full metal alchemist live action movie.

[00:10:59] Yeah, it's a movie.

[00:11:02] It's it certainly is.

[00:11:06] You know what the best way to describe this movie is to me?

[00:11:11] I had a word.

[00:11:14] I can't think of it now.

[00:11:16] To me, this movie is like the perfect definition of the term mid.

[00:11:21] Yeah, that's fair.

[00:11:23] Well, for me it was just it was very very.

[00:11:31] I was just.

[00:11:33] Very basic.

[00:11:34] I don't know if you have any trouble finding the word it's.

[00:11:38] I mean, I think it's a very good thing to see to me it's like they tried very hard to be accurate to the source material.

[00:11:45] Which is respectable until they didn't because there's like random points where they just change things for no reason.

[00:11:52] Yeah, and some of the CG was a little wonky.

[00:11:56] Yeah, those humicula creatures at the end were.

[00:12:00] They look straight out of a bad like 90s film so yeah.

[00:12:06] Yeah, I think it's just like a very good thing to see.

[00:12:11] I think this is the best way to describe this movie is to me.

[00:12:16] This is a very good thing to see.

[00:12:19] Yeah, that was bad.

[00:12:20] That was really bad.

[00:12:21] Yeah, I wasn't a fan.

[00:12:24] I do so did you watch dubber subbed?

[00:12:28] I watched it dubbed.

[00:12:29] And I've got.

[00:12:32] Vic Mignon, Caitlin Glass and Aaron, a disc me back for this.

[00:12:36] Yeah, I was really surprised about Aaron, just knew.

[00:12:39] Yeah, that was really weird like because he famously lost the role of Alphonse.

[00:12:44] Because his voice dropped and he couldn't really do the voice anymore.

[00:12:49] So this one he's using his adult voice and honestly, I kind of liked it because I always thought Alphonse with like the super high pitch voice was a little weird.

[00:12:56] I agree.

[00:12:57] And especially in brotherhood where like, you know, he's like at the by the end is like 1819 and he still has that like little kid voice.

[00:13:06] Yeah.

[00:13:07] But I will say while I found that one very fitting.

[00:13:13] Vic Mignon's voice coming out of that Asian actor.

[00:13:16] I don't know his name.

[00:13:17] His voice did not fit that guy's face at all.

[00:13:21] And also he sounded like he was recording in like a bathtub.

[00:13:24] Like his audio sounded like the entire.

[00:13:28] Yeah, I just I don't know.

[00:13:30] His voice just like it works fine for animation.

[00:13:33] Like animated ad perfect but with this live action actor.

[00:13:38] Like and usually that's something I can respect is when a live action adaptation will pull.

[00:13:44] The dub actors from the original anime.

[00:13:48] For the live action because the Japanese death mode is to the same thing.

[00:13:53] But in that case it worked in this case, I just did not like.

[00:13:58] The voice didn't match the base and I just didn't work for me.

[00:14:01] It also kind of sounded like Vic phoned it in honestly because he really did not sound like he gave a shit.

[00:14:07] Well, it could have been partially that and it could have just been like hard to because.

[00:14:13] I don't know for me it's easier to kind of match a tone with.

[00:14:18] It something animated that it is with something like real life without just straight up copying the person.

[00:14:26] Yeah, I think also too like that.

[00:14:29] Unlike the kitchen films they did not try at all to line up the vote like the lip the lip sync at all.

[00:14:35] Yeah, I definitely feel like the kitchen films.

[00:14:38] Definitely were treated much more seriously than this one.

[00:14:43] Like even like Caitlin glass her performance was identical to the anime but like that voice coming out of the actress they had for this film like she sounded too old to me.

[00:14:53] Yeah, and you know what else I noticed?

[00:14:55] This is something I've noticed with a lot of like Japanese live action movies.

[00:14:59] Is that they went out of their way to I mean I assume they were wigs for like add and out.

[00:15:06] Yeah, and they didn't bother to do it for winery.

[00:15:10] Yeah, especially considering a reason later it looks almost fucking identical and then like winery looks nothing like winery.

[00:15:18] Yeah, it's just bizarre which nothing against the actors she did a fine job but it's just like she looked nothing like a winery the entire thing.

[00:15:26] Yeah, see I mean they definitely made some changes to the story.

[00:15:32] They switched some stuff around put some stuff in different places which is fine you know you respect that from a movie adaptation.

[00:15:40] Actually thinking about it now all the actors were pretty spot on except for winery when we're still only one that didn't really look anything like her anime counterpart.

[00:15:50] Yeah, it's bizarre actually she kind of reminded me um she kind of reminded me of the actress who played Misa in the live action death mode that Japanese ones you know what it was because she was a brunette and not a blonde.

[00:16:05] Yeah, which is the exact same thing in that movie too.

[00:16:11] Yeah, um them.

[00:16:15] I don't know I mean the way that they put like set up the story was fine it wasn't like horrible but it just underwhelming that was that was the word I was looking for the whole thing was very underwhelming and it just didn't flow the way it should have.

[00:16:31] See I thought it started out really good like that opening scene with like.

[00:16:37] At analysis mother dying and then like them starting the human transmutation until they actually do the transmutation then I'll take some ride on his magic carpet for a minute.

[00:16:49] Yeah right.

[00:16:51] I can see his body gets stolen what he just disappears yeah we just we just cut scene right there i will say I did like the effect they used for truth.

[00:17:02] Yeah that wasn't bad other than his voice was so bad yeah that was that was not great but I like the visual effects for a very kind of like that cloudy emptiness kind of look which is exactly what you kind of hope to see for a character like that.

[00:17:20] Yeah honestly um honestly that segment was really cool like that looked exactly like the gate of truth.

[00:17:28] Yeah so the characters for the most part tatted to stick pretty like personality wise tatted to stick pretty close to what there's supposed to be.

[00:17:41] I think part of what made it.

[00:17:44] As underwhelming as it did is they didn't include a lot of like the bombastic characters like major Armstrong.

[00:17:51] Yes well unfortunately I don't think anyone could have done him justice in live action.

[00:17:56] I don't know for sure but I think he's in the later movies.

[00:18:01] Possibly because I know a scar is in the later movies he's not in this movie at all i'm pretty sure he's in the next one.

[00:18:09] Um none of the like Ling Yao didn't appear.

[00:18:17] Which I mean makes sense to with the amount of story that they covered like true he wouldn't have shown up at this point they also kill off lust a lot earlier than they did in the anime.

[00:18:29] If she's actually dead i have no idea.

[00:18:32] I'm pretty sure she is they made it.

[00:18:35] They made it seem like and I feel like they tried to recreate that that original scene.

[00:18:40] Well they also killed off Dr Marco a lot earlier.

[00:18:44] Well he didn't even die in the anime well not in brotherhood at least he dies in the original anime yeah like he uh well he gets horribly disfigured his brotherhood.

[00:18:54] Yeah but uh yeah they kill him off in his debut scene in this movie.

[00:19:01] Yeah which I think is actually pretty similar to how it happened in the in the first series.

[00:19:07] Which leads me to believe the makers of this film were following multiple sources and not really putting a proper adaption.

[00:19:15] Yeah it seemed it seemed to me like they were trying to kind of combine elements that they liked from both shows.

[00:19:21] And which I mean is fine like having like shout Tucker reappear after the whole mean of thing.

[00:19:27] Like that was you know that straight out of the first one it wasn't that weird mind sure I said he at least not yet unless Scott kills him in the next movie but.

[00:19:38] Which makes me wonder is mean is still alive.

[00:19:41] Yeah they kind of just uh she disappeared off screen yeah.

[00:19:49] Also this movie gave like no build up to Nina at all like she appears like once and it's like okay there's a kid and then next scene it's like oh she's a dog now.

[00:19:59] Yeah.

[00:20:00] None of the you know like the iconic character development that makes you actually care in the anime yeah.

[00:20:07] It's like she appears once and then Ed and Winery go off on their little adventure and like Al lays on a table for like 20 minutes.

[00:20:14] Yeah and that's like he like hit shout Tucker uses like hip it says and or whatever to make you remember the whole truth debacle.

[00:20:23] Yeah which I mean is I guess is a way to get around it just to have it out of the way because otherwise they'd have to just completely recreate the whole greed thing and that would just probably take too long.

[00:20:35] Also I just realized the forgetting his name the leader of the military.

[00:20:45] Bradley yeah Bradley isn't in this at all no he know they had like a weird like stand in for him it was like yeah I think it was like his secretary or something when he dies in the most pathetic death ever.

[00:20:59] Oh yeah he gets eaten by the weird white zombie things yeah.

[00:21:05] Yeah it was weird how they I mean I get why they wanted to do that early because they wanted to have like a big showdown at the end of this first movie which makes sense and like yeah like the Mustang and less thing is cool and all but like that's not not big enough not grandiose enough to end a movie with so I'm.

[00:21:25] They also killed and be off really quick.

[00:21:28] Oh you didn't see the post credit scene I must have skipped it now there's a post credit scene where the little worm and be pops out of the bird up corpse so she.

[00:21:40] He she will be in the next movie okay.

[00:21:45] I was wondering because I was kind of like wow they really just yield them off like that yeah.

[00:21:53] So yeah it's just I don't know there's a lot going on in this movie is if they try to pack a lot into it but also rearrange things to make it.

[00:22:02] I don't know work better as like a standalone movie but.

[00:22:07] I don't know which it didn't do it for me.

[00:22:10] I did like the effect of the suit of armor about Alphons is like armor looked pretty good.

[00:22:15] Yeah for the most part that was definitely one of the smoother parts that's probably where a lot of that budget went honestly yeah I will say the fight scene between him and Ed was very goofy it's time around yeah yeah.

[00:22:27] It just looked like Ed's actor was pushing around a suit of armor I was like this is goofy mm hmm yeah.

[00:22:38] And they completely cut out all the fifth laboratory stuff which.

[00:22:42] It was kind of a bummer because I like bear in the chopper yeah they kind of just kind of gave his thing to shout talker which I mean fine.

[00:22:53] I mean if you're going to make him a villain you might as well go all the way so I get I get it but.

[00:22:59] Even though even then though in this movie he was just such like a.

[00:23:03] I don't care kind of villain like in the anime that one episode makes you utterly despise him and this one it's kind of like.

[00:23:11] Oh he's back no he's now he's dead which is kind of how you which is kind of how you feel about him in the original anime to.

[00:23:20] Yeah brotherhood really did a great job of making you just despise that guy this one it's kind of just like oh.

[00:23:26] It's like well I didn't care about need in this one so I'm not even that mad and then it's like.

[00:23:31] Oh he's just back now yeah cool pretty much.

[00:23:37] I don't know it's just it's like I told you before we started I watch this movie early in the week so it's a little bit.

[00:23:45] Not quite as clear in my mind you you said you just watched it so it's probably very fresh for you.

[00:23:51] It is but at the same time I'm like I'm trying to think of it and I'm like there's like nothing to talk about in this movie because it's like.

[00:23:58] The it's so mid like it's the most mid it like anime adaption I think you've ever seen.

[00:24:03] It really is honestly like I enjoyed watching the death not one more than this one which is well the death not one is just so fucking ridiculous like.

[00:24:12] It's cheesy as hell this one's like you can tell that they tried but at the same time they tried just enough to pass but not enough to actually be good.

[00:24:22] Yeah it's it's definitely passable but it's not good that's that's you definitely hit the nail on the head there.

[00:24:31] Because it's like there's a moments where like this looks amazing and then you cut to the next scene it's like this looks terrible.

[00:24:39] Yeah and how they kind of like it's weird how they included Maria Ross as part of it but didn't like do the whole properly introduce her like she just shows up and it's like oh it's not actually her she's on fire.

[00:24:53] Oh her moles on the wrong side you don't need to know that if you watch the original because we're not going to tell you here yeah and you don't really think moles like these moles of that size aren't just noticeable in real life like you notice that kind of thing on an anime face

[00:25:07] because anime faces is so basic but like I don't know it's like they went out of the way to introduce her and make her a part of it but they didn't do the whole like thing that they were supposed to do with her where she was the one who gets framed instead must

[00:25:23] staying gets framed for killing cues even though they're like best friends. Yeah that was weird to me I was just like I was like this doesn't work like there they're cutting so many well at first I was like oh they're going

[00:25:34] to make Roy be the villain here and then she appears anyways I'm like what are they trying to do here look I was so confused yeah because they do the whole like oh there was a witness who saw you there and this and that

[00:25:46] and then we get another flashback on on the phone booth scene and he still turns into his wife or and he still turns into huge wife and it's like okay so now I'm just confused

[00:26:01] I will say Hughes was probably one of like the few characters at the movie pretty much nailed down right but he also is like the definition of a small role being impact

[00:26:12] oh for sure for sure because like he's pretty much spot on his entire every appearance he has in this movie but he also is only in like maybe like 10 minutes of the film.

[00:26:22] And as weird how his daughter was informed yet yeah that was a change I mean it's I guess for the movie it's fine really well it's another element that I feel like they pulled from the first show because you know how in brotherhood they had the whole scene where they go to Rush Valley and Ed and Al and Wendry all

[00:26:41] kind of like contribute to help that that woman get birth or her baby and all that other stuff.

[00:26:47] And they kind of do the same thing in the original anime but it's Hughes's wife and Gracia that they're doing it for and not the Rush Valley chick.

[00:27:00] So yeah it definitely feels like they were pulling from both series which I mean I'll give them props for that at least because each series has its own fan base.

[00:27:13] But the problem is they're like only grabbing the basic things and like it's really I think in the end it doesn't appeal to anybody.

[00:27:22] Yeah for sure it just didn't have the emotional impact of the original series and that's a big thing.

[00:27:32] And this is one of those kind of exception proof the rule things where you know I'll generally say like if they if they nail the characters they could do whatever they want with the story and it will work.

[00:27:45] And in a way it does work but the way that they arranged it just wasn't interesting.

[00:27:56] Yeah like honestly the I think the big problem is like this movie is just really unappealing to watch because it's kind of like if you've already seen the anime or read the manga like you know what happens and then you watch it and it just feels so half-assed.

[00:28:14] Yeah for sure.

[00:28:19] And I wonder I'm sure we'll end up getting to it eventually but I'm wondering how the later movies do like if they maybe give it a bigger budget or work on the right hand trying to make it work better.

[00:28:34] I was there is there is because they were both on Netflix what I find interesting is neither of them have media pages so that's usually not a good sign.

[00:28:46] They're newer to are because that first one came out in like 2016 2017 something like that yeah the other two were 2022 which leads me to believe they didn't get Vic back.

[00:28:57] I was like not which I mean to be fair his performance was kind of shit in this so I don't know if that's that much of a loss but.

[00:29:05] Yeah this is one of those situations where I would have been fine with it if they had just gone with somebody else for it in the first place.

[00:29:12] Yeah I do like bringing back the old out voice because I just think it works in this medium like having the little kid voice coming out of even if he wasn't a suit of armor like even if he was just himself at the age he was supposed to be.

[00:29:26] Like that would have just been honest honestly this movie kind of makes me wish that brother they just like fit the bullet and just let him do the voice again anyways.

[00:29:39] Because I actually really like his performance as Alpons in this movie yeah I think it actually fits the character more than the nothing against the the actress that did him in a brotherhood but I kind of like the older sounding voice it kind of fits.

[00:29:55] What they should do I mean what they could have done in in that case was they could have gotten the actress they had to replace him as like to do the little kids scenes and then maybe even the armor stuff because I mean your soul isn't going through puberty.

[00:30:10] But like whatever we had as like for instance whenever we would see Al in in the portal of truth.

[00:30:19] Like that could have been Aaron or disney right yeah Aaron disney mute.

[00:30:29] It's a very weird last name I'm so used to him because like he has like two fan bases like there's his early fan base from when he was very young where he was like in a bunch of stuff and then he was in both versions of fruit baskets.

[00:30:47] He was in the original he was a hero of summer and then when he grew up he couldn't be here so many more so he they recast him as a machi's brother via Yuki's friend in the council yeah.

[00:31:05] And he's most famous nowadays he's a he's a my yuki and kagi is on.

[00:31:12] Yeah call back yeah I know i mean that's like his defining role at think at this point like is that what I know from at this point yeah it's just sarcastic approach to everything he was in brotherhood because he played um you played young a hone and I'm in the flashbacks oh you know now that you say it I do hear it.

[00:31:35] Which was a good at least they at least they kept him around to do the voice do something yeah other than that though i'm like looking at all the voice actors and they're all pretty much brand new for everyone else yeah they didn't carry very very many people over um and I mean like I said they didn't really need to.

[00:31:58] Yeah i'm so amazed they got the three that they did yeah I mean they were the biggest ones I'd say um.

[00:32:06] Yeah overall I mean story wise it's really not a whole lot to say.

[00:32:12] How did how did they find out about the.

[00:32:15] About the philosophy of so and stuff did add.

[00:32:22] I can just kind of like do his own research on the circle and just kind of figure it out or.

[00:32:29] It's not really explained he kind of just looks at it for a few minutes and then that's it.

[00:32:36] They did they did show off um Al's body in truth right at the end.

[00:32:43] Which is a little weird yeah that I wonder how much that actor got paid to sit there but naked for like 20 seconds yeah right just this head down just.

[00:32:53] Yeah well.

[00:32:55] It was a weird angle too and I felt yeah i was like that was like that the placement of that foot is very convenient because if it was a little over oh my.

[00:33:05] Yeah no kidding um I mean he was he was pretty spot on to Ed I mean Al in the anime so I give them that I guess.

[00:33:15] I will say I did like the scene where um we're Ed's telling Al but he saw his body and in the portal and Al asks him if he's taller than it is.

[00:33:26] Yep yep actually yep you tell which I don't know how he understood whether or not he was taller could he was sitting down but yeah.

[00:33:34] I also I love the scene where um Ed and a winner you're on the train and then like Ed makes like the comment that he's like yeah kids really like me and then when we're like well yeah because you're short just like them.

[00:33:46] Yeah and that's like one of the only scenes we really get of Ed like kind of losing it about being called short.

[00:33:52] Well he gets called made fun of early on during their first like fight with the uh.

[00:33:58] The priest got it.

[00:33:59] Yeah with father uh Corinne or whatever.

[00:34:02] Cornelio I think.

[00:34:03] Cornelio actually I think he was voiced by the same guy as well.

[00:34:07] I believe that was James in price in multiple.

[00:34:10] Yeah yeah they make because they make fun of them there because everyone's like confuses Al as a the full metal.

[00:34:18] This when it's actually Ed.

[00:34:20] And some of the some of the early CG with the alchemy was pretty good.

[00:34:25] It did get a little wonky later on but that that first fight looked really nice I like that.

[00:34:31] The opening of the movie is pretty good other than the.

[00:34:35] Al flying around on his magic carpet board that was pretty bad but um yeah.

[00:34:40] Um everything else up and up until the.

[00:34:45] Trying to think of the part where it really starts to diverge.

[00:34:50] Everything in the beginning those pretty spot on other than was was Roy as much of an ass at the start of the.

[00:34:57] Animes he wasn't this one I don't remember not in brotherhood.

[00:35:01] He and Ed but has a lot in the original anime so I think they're pulling from that.

[00:35:07] And a little bit in the manga too but because it in that in the original anime.

[00:35:12] Ed just straight up doesn't like Mustang throughout the whole series like he just fucking hates his guts.

[00:35:18] And he actually he doesn't even find out about uses death until like right before the end of this series and that just like summons his hate for Mustang even more because he hit it from.

[00:35:28] Oh yeah it was really weird.

[00:35:31] So I think they're pulling pulling on that a little bit.

[00:35:35] Which I didn't really like particularly I mean as I said before I watched for other hood first and then watch the other series.

[00:35:43] And I just I don't like the whole Ed not liking Mustang thing I get that they have different ideas and goals and they do but heads here and there throughout the original manga and and a brotherhood but.

[00:35:56] For the most part they they legitimately respect each other and.

[00:36:00] Care about each other so it's well is wondering because it felt really off.

[00:36:04] Yeah for sure.

[00:36:07] I was going to say to the actress that they got to play Risa she's pretty much spot on what she does fucking nothing in this.

[00:36:15] Yeah she's so like not even a part of it really she just kind of a background character.

[00:36:23] She's like there for fanservice that's like about it which is weird because full metal was never really even one of those kinds of.

[00:36:31] Yeah honestly the most fan service he's seen in full metal alchemist is like when retakes are top off and that one's seen.

[00:36:41] And that one was just played for a last because she didn't know he was in the room.

[00:36:45] Yeah you don't see anything and then you're immediately just like cut to Ed's Goufie's face in the corner there.

[00:36:51] Yeah this is the sandwich that halfway up to his mouth as far what my favorite like comedy scenes in the whole series.

[00:36:58] I was like freaking out and he's just like I just wanted a quiet place to eat my sandwich.

[00:37:04] Well Ed doesn't have any like interested like anything other than getting his arm back at that point so yeah he is a his classic show in a protagonist sex drive which is like not.

[00:37:17] Yeah honestly.

[00:37:21] Yeah I'm trying to think any other standout things in this less fingers were weird.

[00:37:29] Lust was kind of just weird in general yeah I don't know I just the homiculae in general just didn't sit well with me I didn't like the vibes I was getting from them they just didn't.

[00:37:41] I mean they were creepy but not in the way I wanted them to be like envy legit doesn't do like anything in this movie.

[00:37:48] I mean like even speak really has like two lines and like.

[00:37:53] I was a little annoyed because they kind of they kind of ruined his whole and roginess kind of thing because they give him a very man voice and I was kind of like.

[00:38:01] Yeah that doesn't work as well as the anime version yeah for sure.

[00:38:07] Glutney I mean was fine like he was basically what he was in the anime but like now he's just like can I eat it the entire time yeah he kind of has like they kind of just like get rid of like whatever comedic aspects of his character and just crank up the creepiness to 11.

[00:38:24] He was just like the plot dumpster for this movie like all right we need to get rid of all this shit let me eat it.

[00:38:30] Yeah pretty much yeah less was the only one that really did anything but she didn't feel like.

[00:38:36] The lust from the.

[00:38:39] Anime at all yeah you just definitely kind of like her own.

[00:38:44] Her own thing and she actually she goes out of her she does like she kills like so many characters in this yeah it's weird too because like the the only one of mustangs men they included well I say men.

[00:38:58] The only one of his subordinates they included was Hawkeye which kind of like removes the whole big moment with havoc.

[00:39:07] Which is kind of like a big driving force of like why mustang was so adamant about killing her.

[00:39:14] Yeah so yeah the lack of Armstrong definitely hit too yeah what says that's the thing is this this kind of show needs those kind of like comedic bombastic more like even.

[00:39:27] Hughes was like yeah he nailed the character for the most part but he wasn't as like goofy and cheesy as he was in the anime which yeah you don't want to do it too much because it is live action you want it to be somewhat realistic but.

[00:39:42] You kind of lose some of the charm of the character and a lot of the scenes without that weirdly enough the only character in this that was like goofy and kind of like over the top was winery of all characters.

[00:39:56] Yeah which is like the scene where they're on the train and then she like fucking like almost jumps out of the window when she sees the.

[00:40:08] Hello Mr. Carc when she almost jumps out the window when she sees where doctor Marko's cast like hospital is and she's like over like the top like expressive like almost like eyes bulging out I was like what the hell I'm like.

[00:40:25] Out of all the characters to have like this over the top expression they picked a winery of all of them I think that's just kind of a thing though with.

[00:40:34] With Japanese like live action acting and stuff because it's one of those things that I've noticed with a lot of live action Japanese movies and stuff that I've seen is they tend to kind of do that over the top thing and I think they're trying to like emulate.

[00:40:51] Animation in that way but it just doesn't work in real life.

[00:40:56] It was just weird to me that at out of all the character because like wonderful metals big things is like the weird like.

[00:41:02] The deranged animation changes every now and then like where like Ed turns into that fucking abomination all the time yeah circle ahead with the one like like how like.

[00:41:15] There's that or I was thinking of like when he turns into like that like bear could a living thing at that one point yeah or when I'll get says like weird kitty face when they whenever it needs to be expressive yeah like stuff like that or I was thinking of like the.

[00:41:29] The seed were like winery and he used to like doing their weird like swaying like dancing oh yeah with the little kids yeah it's just like stuff like that that kind of like makes it really hard to transition like a show like this into animation into live action.

[00:41:44] Yeah.

[00:41:47] I don't know that was the thing with Ed in this like he was very aim for the most part yeah like the only scene that really made me think Ed was like when he during that opening confrontation when he runs his face first into the pillar.

[00:42:04] I was like okay that's Ed but then like the rest of it he's weirdly stoic the entire time.

[00:42:11] Yeah it's definitely not what you expect from him at all like speaking about winery being weirdly out of character like when they're looking for Marco like she's running around like a psycho and he's just like what are you doing.

[00:42:24] And also it's kind of weird that she.

[00:42:28] Wait did she recognize him or.

[00:42:31] Yeah she did which is weird because it didn't make any sense she never seen him before except for like what do they have a picture of him or something or a drawing or something they had a photo but like she like she looks out this is what I didn't get this she looks out the train window and goes.

[00:42:47] It's Marco and then like she jumps off the train it starts running around like a psycho and I'm like i'm like what I was so confused yeah.

[00:42:58] Overall I mean I I I commend them for the effort they made and yes they got a lot of the characters where where they need to be for the most part with obviously some changes that had to happen.

[00:43:14] And they tried to keep the story as straight as possible.

[00:43:19] But I think this just might be one of those enemies it doesn't translate very well.

[00:43:25] Yeah not not to especially a lower budget film like this yeah I mean what I think one of the reasons Kenchen works so well is because Kenchen is such a down to earth series yeah and I don't know if it's I mean.

[00:43:42] This this might be an unpopular opinion but I think part of it is the fact that it's supposed to be like a very German setting.

[00:43:52] But it's all it's all Asian characters and I feel like that is part of it as well.

[00:43:58] Yeah a little like is the FMA has a very distinct look to it.

[00:44:05] It's a very it's a very western looking series despite being anime it's kind of like how it's got the same look that a spy family has now it is yeah for sure.

[00:44:18] Yeah it's weird because like I don't know it's just like it felt off the entire time.

[00:44:27] Like even live action death note was at least like had like charm in its design at least it kind of had a vision even if that vision was not very good yeah for sure I would honestly much and I don't want to brag on it too much but I definitely would rather watch the Netflix death note over this again.

[00:44:51] What's weird is they came out the same year.

[00:44:54] That did that is weird.

[00:44:57] And it's just it's upsetting because I always thought that full metal would be one of the ones that would would work and maybe it wouldn't somebody else's hands I mean maybe a maybe a western attempt at it.

[00:45:11] Yeah I mean as long as as long as they didn't try to Netflix it up too much.

[00:45:21] It makes sense you don't want to see edge standing in a room screaming is everything flies around him.

[00:45:28] I mean that was the most entertaining part of that movie for being real.

[00:45:33] And the fairs we'll see nice to love the fairs they'll see yeah it's so outrageous.

[00:45:40] William Defoe just being William Defoe.

[00:45:43] Yeah for sure yeah I don't know I definitely think a western take on it would be like if we were going to give it one more try I would definitely see where like you know how Hollywood could do it.

[00:45:57] Overall I feel like this is one of those series that just works better as anime and maybe even like because I know that they started doing a novelization of it.

[00:46:08] I'd like to check that out at some point because this is one of those stories that I've always said but work really well as novels.

[00:46:15] Yeah there is because the novels are what I've heard pretty good.

[00:46:19] I just don't have time to read them right now.

[00:46:23] Yeah thank you many other novels to read to read a rehashing of the story I already know.

[00:46:29] I mean I can barely keep up with my mom go like little on a novel yeah mom and mom is relatively quick to get through.

[00:46:36] Yeah I'm trying to think anything else like I guess the background music was fine like it fit the mood pretty well.

[00:46:45] You just you can't compete with that brotherhood soundtrack it's just too good.

[00:46:52] Like that brotherhood soundtrack I got I'll just throw that on if listen to it just on a random day like I that music just slaps.

[00:47:02] Also the the transmute the human transmutation scene.

[00:47:07] Did they destroy the house in the original was it that dramatic or was this clearly played up for the live action?

[00:47:13] I mean they burned the house down afterwards is like that's true that's a resolved thing but the house was intact.

[00:47:20] Okay because I was like I don't remember the destroying the house like it did in this movie yeah.

[00:47:27] I don't know.

[00:47:30] It's one of those things where it's somebody else's hands whether it's in the east or the west.

[00:47:38] This could work this could be a lot better it's just something was lacking here I don't know if it was just hard or they just needed a better script for better actors but.

[00:47:52] I mean I don't know the actors were fine maybe if I watched it subbed that bill a bit better about it yeah maybe because like I honestly the actors really didn't do a bad job I think they all fit.

[00:48:04] Yeah fairly I mean grapes aside with winery not looking anything like winery the actress didn't do a bad job right agreed.

[00:48:15] Yeah should we go into ratings.

[00:48:19] Yeah I think we should I mean I'm going to give this probably a five out of 10 like it is so in the middle it's not even funny yeah I I was kind of hovering between four and five.

[00:48:33] Yes I hesitate to give it lower than a five because they they didn't make a good effort to make it look decent and to try and be as accurate as possible to the source material.

[00:48:47] And I got I got to give it regardless of what the result is I have to give credit for that because that is that's a big thing.

[00:48:59] But it was just boring it was so fucking boring that's that that's the big thing like one of the things that makes full metal alchemist the like the iconic like highly acclaimed series it is the fact that like it is well known for sucking you in after like two episodes.

[00:49:19] It's a very edge of the seat kind of kind of series like you're you're ready to watch more like every time you finish another episode if you don't have time to watch more you're visibly frustrated about it the first time you go through it.

[00:49:34] Well I had talked about in the past the the phone the phone test for me which is like how I can tell if something's entertaining or not.

[00:49:43] Basically if you grab your phone frequently throughout a movie that's usually a sign you're not enjoying it.

[00:49:49] And I'll I will lie I was checking my phone constantly throughout this.

[00:49:55] I did another thing that's another sign of you probably not enjoying something is a I click on the screen just to see the little the little bar that shows how far you are through the movie I've constantly gotten that to see how much more this guy going to watch.

[00:50:08] I was doing that too and there was so many points was like oh my god I still have over an hour left.

[00:50:13] Yeah Jesus.

[00:50:16] I hope I hope the later movies are better because I'm sure we're going to end up getting them at some point I'd like to kind of like with a lot of these live actions that have multiple movies multiple parts.

[00:50:27] I'd like to just stick to the first part of each one until we cycle back around and then we'll start getting to some of this equals but yeah.

[00:50:36] I think you're like I think it'd be cool to rank the ones we've seen so far like now that we've got a couple like obviously like I'm going to say Kenshin's the best so far.

[00:50:45] Yeah, Kenshin's definitely top two there.

[00:50:48] Ironically I'd say the Netflix death notice number two and then this is number three out of the ones that we we've covered on the show so far yes I agree.

[00:50:57] Out of the ones I have seen overall.

[00:51:01] The order would definitely be a little different.

[00:51:04] Well yeah but for the show as of now those are the three I'm actually really curious for when we eventually get around evolution where that's going to stack up in comparison because evolution is.

[00:51:16] A fascinating movie for how much they fucked it up.

[00:51:19] Yeah but at the same time it still has that kind of Netflix death note quality to it where it is kind of entertaining to watch just because of how fucking stupid it is.

[00:51:29] And it had a lot more of a budget than some of these movies did yeah miss you know I think.

[00:51:37] What was the budget for the Kenshin movie again.

[00:51:40] I'd have to relook think it was like 15 million something wasn't a lot.

[00:51:47] Let me just look something up real quick.

[00:51:56] The first movies budget was 10 million 10 million yeah Jaggle evolution was three times that yeah.

[00:52:07] And full metal alchemist budget isn't even listed.

[00:52:15] It only made basically all it got was its box office which was 8 million so it made less than the budget of errone Kenshin.

[00:52:25] That's pretty bad now my here's my other question how much did the Netflix death note cost.

[00:52:32] Probably more than all of them.

[00:52:34] I'm curious on that.

[00:52:36] Let's see.

[00:52:42] Because on top of like you know whatever visual effects they had and stuff she get that movie has a budget of 40 million.

[00:52:49] I believe it because I mean on top of like because the culture most I'm sure most of it went to pay for William DeFoe.

[00:52:57] But like the general like look of it like yeah there's like the aesthetics of like the sets and costumes making all the stuff but like.

[00:53:07] The filming equipment and whatever programs this up they're using for it like has a big effect on the way the movie ends up coming out and.

[00:53:16] Yeah the Netflix death note movie definitely had good equipment because it looked good.

[00:53:23] I feel like the full metal one did not know it did it.

[00:53:29] It looked passable that was really about it.

[00:53:34] But I don't know I guess we'll see where it goes from here.

[00:53:39] I'd like to try and cover a better one next time one that'll hold my attention a little bit more.

[00:53:44] The problem is I'm starting to realize none of these are have been really good other than erotic tension.

[00:53:49] Yeah well I mean one of the only ones that we know for a fact is good if we can't do until Alex is ready.

[00:53:57] Well until I watch it basically well bad too but I mean you could always just kind of watch the episodes here and there.

[00:54:05] Yeah it's mostly I got to find the time for it.

[00:54:08] It's honestly worth it it's very good I I enjoyed it a lot and.

[00:54:13] I had Cindy watch the first episode with us when I came out and she like.

[00:54:19] Never really gave you should about one piece.

[00:54:22] And she like after watching that first episode was like yeah this is our family show now like she's like when I told her that we weren't going to be getting the next season until at least next year she was like really upset.

[00:54:32] She's like to have it. Why do you get me into these things so that I have the weight years for it for more.

[00:54:39] Yeah but yeah but um that I don't think we got much else to say we somehow managed to go farther in as than we did in the Netflix death note which is impressive to me.

[00:54:52] Yeah but I feel like this time it.

[00:54:57] I mean there was plenty to say but most of it was just kind of me.

[00:55:02] Yeah it literally made is how you describe everything about this movie.

[00:55:07] It was exactly like right down the middle like yeah the sets look good the costumes look good the overall acting of it was fine but.

[00:55:16] Just maybe it was just the scripting or something because it's just something about it was just off the whole time yeah that's for sure.

[00:55:26] But um but yeah so I think that wraps it up for this one not really sure what we're going to be covering next week probably figure that out off green but.

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