Geek Addicts - Episode 10: Discussing The Netflix Death Note Film!

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[00:00:32] Welcome to key canics, a pop culture podcast.

[00:00:40] Hello everybody and welcome back to key canics,

[00:00:44] the podcast that I still don't know how to start.

[00:00:46] Just winging it at this point.

[00:00:48] I am Bill, this is Matt, how are you doing Matt?

[00:00:50] I'm doing good, how are you?

[00:00:52] I'm doing all right, just still on vacation.

[00:00:56] I don't know if I mentioned that the last time we podgasted,

[00:01:00] but I've been on vacation all week, basically just kicking back

[00:01:04] and trying to catch up on my sleep.

[00:01:06] Which mostly just means I sleep until 10 every day,

[00:01:09] realize I wasted most of the morning and then go about my business.

[00:01:16] I don't know if you've mentioned on this show,

[00:01:19] but I know on the GNC,

[00:01:22] year wrap up episode, I'm pretty sure you've mentioned it.

[00:01:26] True. That actually comes out tomorrow at the time of this recording.

[00:01:30] I forgot I came out so quick compared to these ones.

[00:01:36] We're like a few ahead on this show.

[00:01:40] GNC, we're officially out of episodes after this one,

[00:01:43] So I've got to start planning season four,

[00:01:46] if it's already season four.

[00:01:48] I know, are you guys taking a little bit of a break,

[00:01:50] or are you just jumping right into it?

[00:01:52] Pretty sure we're jumping right into it.

[00:01:54] I got to see what Alex is doing.

[00:01:55] She's been doing home improvement this entire week,

[00:01:58] so I'm really seeing her much.

[00:02:00] Oh, geez.

[00:02:01] Yeah, I'll talk, I'll see her tomorrow,

[00:02:05] though and we'll probably make plans on something.

[00:02:09] I gotcha.

[00:02:10] Than that though, it's been pretty good.

[00:02:12] It's funny, I went out today just to pick up some things,

[00:02:17] and the post a holiday like craziness was still going on,

[00:02:22] which is kind of funny.

[00:02:24] Oh, yeah.

[00:02:25] Yeah, just like people,

[00:02:27] it's all the people that are either like using their gift cards

[00:02:30] or they're, they're returning all the things they didn't want.

[00:02:35] Yeah, that classic, that classic thing every holiday.

[00:02:39] But I stopped at a target for a bit, 'cause I had to get a new set

[00:02:44] of headphones whose my left ear died in my last pair,

[00:02:49] which is always fun.

[00:02:51] And we'll browse in through the, the book section because

[00:02:54] Hart gets still has a pretty decent book section,

[00:02:56] and you know how you always sometimes you'll just get suckered

[00:02:59] into like grabbing a random book.

[00:03:02] Oh, yeah.

[00:03:03] I found this like history of manga.

[00:03:06] Oh, that's got a cool.

[00:03:09] Yeah, it's a decent little read.

[00:03:10] It's got a whole bunch of biographies on different artists and stuff

[00:03:13] and different writers.

[00:03:14] So you get coffee table book.

[00:03:17] Yeah, that's pretty cool.

[00:03:20] Yeah, I actually, I went to target two,

[00:03:22] because we had a couple gift cards.

[00:03:24] I don't even remember what we got.

[00:03:26] Honestly, I know Cindy got a new pillow,

[00:03:28] which was she was very excited about.

[00:03:30] Side from that, I don't know.

[00:03:33] I know we used up the gift cards.

[00:03:35] I just don't remember what we used them on.

[00:03:37] That's a crazy.

[00:03:38] I mean, all the stuff that I'm really interested in is usually

[00:03:40] sold out the day after Christmas.

[00:03:42] So yeah.

[00:03:45] Now I got, I got a ton of Barnes and Noble gift cards because

[00:03:50] everyone knows I read books now, but they're just like

[00:03:52] here gift cards.

[00:03:53] I was like great.

[00:03:54] Thank you.

[00:03:57] So I went on a Barnes and Noble spree.

[00:04:02] Hopefully, that'll be arriving shortly.

[00:04:04] Mail.

[00:04:05] There you go.

[00:04:06] Any any good pickups?

[00:04:08] So I got all the official versions of Pokemon X and Y.

[00:04:14] Oh, cool.

[00:04:15] All right.

[00:04:16] I grabbed those a couple more volumes of a Rene.

[00:04:18] That's.

[00:04:19] Ramiko Takahashi's.

[00:04:20] The manga she did after.

[00:04:22] Yeah.

[00:04:23] All right.

[00:04:25] That one's been I've been progressively collecting.

[00:04:27] There's like 40 volumes of it.

[00:04:29] Oh, jeez.

[00:04:30] But it's never it's never been re released.

[00:04:32] So I'm kind of grabbing the singles.

[00:04:34] One by one.

[00:04:35] I also, my copy of a Dragon Ball Super 15 finally showed up.

[00:04:40] So I'm.

[00:04:41] I'm Dragon Ball Super now.

[00:04:43] Nice.

[00:04:44] There you go.

[00:04:45] Yeah.

[00:04:46] That one got lost in the mail for like a month.

[00:04:48] And then it just showed up randomly today.

[00:04:49] I was like, Oh, cool.

[00:04:51] Yeah.

[00:04:52] Pre Christmas shipping.

[00:04:53] It's bound to happen here and there.

[00:04:55] I had like four packages just vanish on me this year.

[00:04:58] Yeah.

[00:05:00] It was bizarre.

[00:05:01] Did you?

[00:05:02] Was it like lost in the mail or did somebody,

[00:05:03] uh, door steps match you?

[00:05:04] Lost in the mail.

[00:05:06] Thankfully at the,

[00:05:07] the kind of complex like everyone is so close together.

[00:05:11] Like you wouldn't be able to get away with that.

[00:05:13] Plus I got a ring.

[00:05:14] I mean,

[00:05:15] technically rings don't really mean anything because.

[00:05:18] They can't technically.

[00:05:19] There's like no real way to prove who did it,

[00:05:21] even with like video footage.

[00:05:23] But.

[00:05:24] Yeah.

[00:05:25] But yeah, it's not really.

[00:05:26] porch pirates aren't really a thing. Thankfully where I live. They just spent

[00:05:31] lost in transit. Like I ordered that year Akasho GVA game like that when we

[00:05:36] first started this podcast and that's just I'm assuming it's gone. It's never

[00:05:40] showing up. Yeah. You haven't got a refund for it at least. Yeah. They're ghosting me

[00:05:47] right now so I'm gonna have to contact eBay. Yeah. That's always fun. I mean it was

[00:05:55] like $11.00 so I'm not really upset about it. Yeah. You can still take that

[00:06:01] $11.00 and buy for somebody else who's actually gonna give it to you. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:06:05] Yeah. I got to reach out up about that soon. Yeah. I've done that. I got another

[00:06:09] 3dio. Oh yeah. I saw that on the Discord. And I was so my original 3dio. The

[00:06:16] Dist drive is starting to go on it. They're just so old and it like it certain games

[00:06:21] it just can't play anymore cause the lasers too slow. Yeah. So I bought the newer the

[00:06:26] newer one play a couple of games and I finally got to play the U Akasho Game on

[00:06:31] 3dio and it is it is interesting. Yeah. I was I was honestly surprised when you when

[00:06:37] you set that screenshot out on Discord. Like how how clean it looks. The presentations

[00:06:42] really nice. It just plays like ultimate battle 22. So it's not great. The menus are kind

[00:06:50] of cool though. It's basically just botan talking to you and japanese kind of cute. That's

[00:06:56] fun. Is that was it a Christmas present or did you get that with with your own mind?

[00:07:02] The 3dio that was a Christmas present. Nice. There you go. Yeah. Now I can keep

[00:07:09] up with the games for the 3dio experience. So there you go. Not bad. I actually

[00:07:19] pass week. Oh sorry. I've been playing Final Fantasy 7 remake when I have the chance.

[00:07:28] How's that going? That's pretty pretty good. So far. I know a lot of people have been

[00:07:31] saying this a lot of like changes in the story and I haven't I'm only like five hours

[00:07:37] in and I haven't noticed a ton of stuff aside from just stuff that was added. The only

[00:07:43] thing that I've noticed that seemed significant was the weird like ghosty things that

[00:07:48] were like surrounding Arath. Yeah there's a I'm not going to spoil it for you but there's

[00:07:53] a pretty big one that shows up later that you'll get to eventually. Yeah. Right now

[00:07:58] I'm on the, I'm on like that little like side mission that Jesse brings you on. Yep. Like

[00:08:07] I just finished a motorcycle battle before I hopped on here. Nice. Yeah, I got to get

[00:08:13] another shot at some point. Yeah well the the second one's coming out in a couple months. So

[00:08:19] yeah I've heard I did start playing I started playing Fable 2 again last night just

[00:08:25] for now. I got through the tutorial and then started the one head of the tomb and then

[00:08:31] I was getting tired so I stopped. I'll probably aggressively get through that game again.

[00:08:38] Yeah you're still technically in tutorial zone. I think once you get past the point where

[00:08:46] like they teach you how to do jobs that that's which I think you're pretty much coming

[00:08:52] up on that. That'll be the point where the tutorial like kind of stops and you have more

[00:08:58] freedom to kind of roam around. Yeah now it's it's one of those like games where it's

[00:09:03] like I'll probably get when I'm not when I don't start playing it at 11 at night. I'll

[00:09:10] probably get more into it. I got through that the the pre-time skip part though so it's

[00:09:15] good. Yeah definitely. Yeah the kid parts of those games are always the dumbest. Yeah well

[00:09:22] that one ends quite abruptly I will say. Oh yeah. Well when you get through the rest of

[00:09:29] it we'll have to do a discussion. Not for sure. But anyways so I guess moving onto our topic

[00:09:36] because boy is this going to be an interesting one. For this episode we're actually talking

[00:09:42] about the 2017 Netflix live action Death Note movie. Oh yeah. It's a movie. That's what

[00:09:55] I'll say about it. It certainly is. So I guess like I haven't watched the Netflix anime

[00:10:03] in God like five years. So it had been a while since I'd seen anything Death Note related.

[00:10:11] So watching this I was a little confused at certain points. Oh I'm sure. I will say.

[00:10:18] Despite the movie being kind of shit it was fascinating to watch like I never I was never

[00:10:24] bored I was always interested. But that was more just kind of like I was more perplexed than

[00:10:29] anything. Yeah I was kind of just baffling and it's like wait what? I will say the best

[00:10:36] part of this film is William De Foe. Yeah it's like the only good thing about this film.

[00:10:42] It's one of those things that makes me upset because like he aside from Brian drum and

[00:10:48] himself, Will De Foe is like the best person they could have possibly gotten for Ruyuk and

[00:10:53] He was wasted on this shitty movie. I mean he either he did not give a shit and he was just

[00:10:59] hammered it up the entire time or he cared way too much, but his performance is the most

[00:11:04] entertaining part of this entire movie. Which is sad because he's only in like maybe like

[00:11:12] about like twenty minutes of the film total. And fat because even the few scenes

[00:11:18] he says that he's in. It's like he just has a couple lines it giggles to himself and then

[00:11:23] it cuts away to somebody else. His best line in the film to me is still the you humans

[00:11:28] are so fascinating. Yeah. That was the closing line of the movie.

[00:11:34] It was not. Yup. It ends on a high note I guess. Yeah, no kidding.

[00:11:40] Oh yeah. So obviously we're gonna spoil a lot of elements of this movie. Oh, it's been

[00:11:48] forever since I watched. How accurate is this movie to the manga/anime? None whatsoever.

[00:11:55] Okay, because I was wondering why I didn't remember anything watching this. I think let's

[00:12:01] see. I'm racking my brains here. I think the only things they got right is let's see

[00:12:09] there's a notebook. Yes. There was a point with 12 FBI agents and they did all end up dying

[00:12:21] but not the same way. Let's see. Oh, that's about it. Okay. I got it. Honestly, I've

[00:12:33] got to rewatch death note at this point because it has been forever. It's been a

[00:12:38] lot of thousands of watches all the way through but I've watched it through so many times

[00:12:41] and read the manga at least a couple times and not to mention I've watched the, when

[00:12:47] I was a teenager, I watched the Japanese live actions a lot which are phenomenal especially

[00:12:54] comparing to this movie. So I'll save the acting itself. Isn't bad like the actors did

[00:13:02] a pretty okay job? I guess like for what they had to work with. And if the presentation

[00:13:12] was fine, the movie looks good. There's no like shitty looking moments, I guess.

[00:13:20] It was one thing I had a little bit of a gripe with as far as visual presentation and

[00:13:28] that was when, when light kills the dude who ran over his mom, like the blood just

[00:13:33] looked way too watery. I so my thought was he was mid drink when that happened. So it's

[00:13:39] like mixed with whatever he was drinking. Yeah, I guess so that's fair. Oh, that's another

[00:13:45] C9 joke. It was the dad's reaction to that where he's just like yucking it up on the

[00:13:49] phone. Yeah, he's like, he's like, you know, I shouldn't be happy that he's dead.

[00:13:55] Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The scene with the douchebag at the start of the film where you get

[00:14:06] killed by the ladder. That was pretty entertaining. Yeah. They did a great job of making

[00:14:11] you hate that guy from the second you see him. Oh yeah. And I will say like that that

[00:14:17] first like instance of the death note, like at least for the first time I watched the movie,

[00:14:21] I thought that part was kind of cool because it was like, oh, okay. So they're they're

[00:14:25] doing death note, but they're kind of throwing in like a fun of this donation like element

[00:14:30] to it. And that that was kind of cool. Yes. Um, so I'm assuming the girl me. She's supposed

[00:14:39] to be the blonde girl right? Yes. That is what she's supposed to do. She's a lot more

[00:14:46] evil than this than she was in the anime. That's all I'll say. See, the way that I see it is

[00:14:52] I don't know if this is like their way of trying to like empower women. And in a way

[00:14:58] I can understand why they'd want to do that because they made me in the original anime

[00:15:03] and manga. So like, Oh, light out, do anything for you. Like, you can kill me. I'm fine

[00:15:09] with it. Like, she was such like a, it was going to say no to a point.

[00:15:15] Well, yeah, exactly. She was a door mat. And I can see them wanting to not make this version

[00:15:21] of the character like that. That's totally understandable. But it seems to me like what

[00:15:26] they did was they swapped light and meets his personalities. Yeah, because light in this

[00:15:32] film is such a fucking pushover and like, yeah, he's totally whipped. Yeah, like, the whole

[00:15:40] like, like he comes off as trying to be intimidating in that first encounter with like

[00:15:44] the douchey bully character at the start. Then he gets punched in the face. And then

[00:15:48] he just after that is like the scene in the in the classroom where he's like screaming

[00:15:53] like a bitch the entire time. I'm just like, like I don't remember him being like this

[00:15:58] at all. I will say like no matter how ridiculous it is that scene always makes me laugh

[00:16:03] because you see fricking Nat Wolf from the naked brothers band screaming his head off

[00:16:09] like a little girl. That's who that was from. I knew he looks from look familiar. Jesus.

[00:16:16] Um, my favorite part about that scene too is like that classroom gets fucking wrecked.

[00:16:20] Yeah, and they never follow up on it, it never gets acknowledged. Just like when the teacher

[00:16:25] just walked out for a minute. So like they're going to come back and be like what the fuck

[00:16:30] did you do? Yeah, it was like Jesus. That was, uh, that was interesting. Um, the other

[00:16:38] character who is pretty much nothing like his manga counterpart is L. I guess, I'd say

[00:16:47] that up to a point. I think he did a really good job as L for the first half of the movie.

[00:16:54] It was not just losing his mind. Yeah, it was when he started getting super emotional.

[00:16:59] That was the point where it was like, all right, this isn't L like. Yeah, I mean, it this

[00:17:06] film took a lot of liberties with the castings I will say. Obviously, I mean, Japanese

[00:17:11] manga, compared to a American production. So obviously they were going to change up the

[00:17:17] like ethnicities and stuff. And I mean, I'm fine with that. It really didn't, it didn't

[00:17:22] affect the story at all. So that was fine. All the performances were good to a point. But

[00:17:26] um, God, it didn't match the source material at all. Yeah, well, see, that's the problem

[00:17:31] is I'd say all the actors did a fine enough job with the characters they were given.

[00:17:36] And the way the, the problem is that the writers wrote the characters all wrong. I don't think

[00:17:42] the writers actually read Death Note. Well, see, supposedly the director was a huge fan

[00:17:47] without, he's a piece said he was a huge fan. We don't, I don't actually know, but like,

[00:17:51] I don't know. There's just, there was a lot of ways that could have gone about it. And

[00:17:57] it's like I said with the tension one, and it really with any live action adaptation of

[00:18:03] anime, it's like you can change the story and the rules of the world as much as you want.

[00:18:08] But if you want it to work, the characters need to be themselves.

[00:18:11] That's honestly why the tension.

[00:18:14] film works so well is that all the characters are pretty much spot on or actually in some ways better than their

[00:18:20] source material counterparts. They just change things in that film for the sake of being a movie.

[00:18:26] This one, it's like everybody is, it's almost like an American bastardization of a Japanese

[00:18:33] anime, which it basically is. Yeah, it's almost like that. Yeah. It's like that. It's honestly like

[00:18:42] they took the, a basic plot summary of Death note and then just like made it like

[00:18:48] like 2010's angsty teen movie. Oh, it's such an angsty teen movie. It's gonna say L and

[00:18:58] be a fall in love. Not L. lighten me a fall in love very quick. So yeah, but I still say, well,

[00:19:05] the way that they wrote this movie, it's like light is only doing all of this to get laid

[00:19:12] and yeah, me doesn't actually care about him. She's just using him

[00:19:16] yeah, until the end and then she dies because of her own, he was a ho yesterday, her own

[00:19:23] part as they say. Yeah. And like I like I say, like I don't mind if they change the rules for the

[00:19:28] sake of like a plot of a movie and stuff. Like that's, you know, reasonable. You're gonna have to do that,

[00:19:33] but like they didn't make their own like rework of the rules clear. And in a lot of ways that can

[00:19:41] that confused me as some of the plot points. Also the Deus Ex Machina right at the end of the

[00:19:46] fucking film was almost too perfect. Oh, I like the whole like, his all plan of he wrote all

[00:19:54] those names down in advance and then like the paper just perfectly falls into the fire. And it's

[00:19:59] like, what the, like how, how could he have planned that? Well, I mean, I think that was like

[00:20:05] their one attempt of trying to make light seem smart. Yeah. Like the only time in this entire

[00:20:11] film because aside from that one scene at the end, the only indication they give that light is

[00:20:17] intelligent is that he's writing other people's homework papers for money. Yeah. And like, but like

[00:20:24] light in the, in the series is supposed to be like a super genius on the level of L.

[00:20:30] Yeah. But they don't make, they don't give any indication of that whatsoever. The only indication

[00:20:36] you get is other character saying, oh, he's so smart. But then you just see him being a little

[00:20:40] bitch the whole time. Also, what was up with L at the end of the film after he gets off the plane,

[00:20:46] and he's like rummaging through lights for Romans, and he's like just like staring at the piece of

[00:20:50] paper laughing maniacally. Like, I didn't get that at all. That was a, that was a piece from the death note.

[00:20:56] He was that was that piece that you ripped out? Yeah, that she wrote the FBI agents in.

[00:21:03] She was he was planning to, he was going to write light's name and I guess he was just having like a

[00:21:08] little like a moral conundrum. Like, is it right to do this is wrong to do this? Okay, because it kind of

[00:21:17] ended on a like definitive kind of end like they didn't leave room for sequels,

[00:21:23] which is ironic because there was supposed to be a sequel.

[00:21:26] Maybe they knew that we're like the same going to do well. Yeah, well, I need to be fair

[00:21:32] the dragon ball of illusion was supposed to have a sequel to actually was supposed to be a trilogy.

[00:21:36] That was wishful thinking. Yeah, which honestly, I an arguably say that Dragon Ball

[00:21:45] devolution did a better job than this death of the movie. Yeah. This entire movie is entire.

[00:21:53] This is also a rather short film. It's only like an hour 40, which is it went by a lot quicker than

[00:22:00] the tension film did I will say. And this film screams like that whole like emo Goth like some

[00:22:08] sculpture like angsty teen like stuff from the very beginning. Yeah. What when you first hear that

[00:22:15] they do a little like drum beat at the beginning with a song starts and it's like you see light

[00:22:22] writing people's homework and you see Mia doing like the cheerleader thing and she's just like

[00:22:26] ripping a spot on the top of the pyramid like what that was that about.

[00:22:29] Yes. Well, no, that's the, that's the trope. You know, the smokers are evil, bro. Yeah, pretty much

[00:22:36] like like she smoked. It's a sign that she's smoking on school property. And then she's all like

[00:22:44] righteous in the scene with like the trying to rescue the person being bullied. And it's like

[00:22:49] they had some weird like character, characterizations throughout this film. Oh, yeah, and how

[00:22:56] quick she was to be like, no, light. We're going to kill your dad. Like that's happened. Yeah.

[00:23:00] Yeah, she went from like zero to a hundred real quick on like the evil meter. Oh, yeah.

[00:23:06] Ed, like that was another thing about like the whole thing with the characters is me it was the

[00:23:12] one who was ready to like, yeah, we're going to kill your dad and light was like, no, we're giving

[00:23:16] up the whole thing. We're not doing the death or thing anymore. But like in the original, like if it was,

[00:23:23] if it was for the cause light would have killed his entire family and not bad as an eye about it,

[00:23:29] like he was fully prepared to kill his sister just to keep himself like hidden.

[00:23:35] Yep. Oh geez. It's like every moment in this film, I was just like perplexed. I was like,

[00:23:44] I'm like, where is this plot go? You know what this film reminded me of kind of not in terms of like

[00:23:50] tone, well, kind of in terms of tone a little, but like it reminds me a lot of Jennifer's body,

[00:23:55] which is kind of funny. You know, it's funny you say that because like it was the last time I was

[00:24:01] watching it, I was thinking that like like me, it reminded me of like Megan Fox and in Jennifer's

[00:24:07] body like yeah, in a lot of ways like it had that like weird like it just had that weird like tone and

[00:24:15] just like kind of like shock like shifting from like scene to scene and no real sense of plot.

[00:24:20] The plot was very destroyed, but that's why I'm having a hard time explaining it because it's like

[00:24:25] I literally watched this twice and I'd watched it again shortly before we recorded this.

[00:24:31] And I still can't really summarize the plot because it doesn't make any sense.

[00:24:35] It's really hard to wrap your head around, even if you understand the story and the characters and

[00:24:40] stuff, it's just it's baffling honestly. I mean, even the plot of death note in general is very

[00:24:46] complex, but like this film tries to like be complex, but at the same time is just like

[00:24:52] kind of just a bunch of random plot their heads just throw them together.

[00:24:57] It just it feels like it feels like a Disney high school movie trying to be dark and edgy.

[00:25:05] Yeah, by adding a bunch of swearing and sexy and stuff.

[00:25:10] Yeah, there was there was one scene. You probably didn't catch it because I don't think you've

[00:25:17] seen them, but there was a scene where I think they were referencing the Japanese live action

[00:25:23] movies because when when lights dad does the whole like, this is why your name is light thing,

[00:25:31] he goes, oh, your mom was kind of a hippie. We didn't see eye to eye something like that.

[00:25:35] I think that was supposed to be a reference to the Japanese live action movies because the theme

[00:25:40] song that they used. Well, I mean, they used a different one for each movie, but they

[00:25:45] used Red Hot Chili Peppers. They used for the first movie. They used Danny California.

[00:25:50] And there's a line in that song. This is Papa was a cop and mama was a hippie.

[00:25:54] Yep. So I think that was supposed to be a way or maybe I'm doing too much credit, but I think

[00:25:59] that was like, I love that. That's either that's either an extreme like extreme like obscure

[00:26:05] like reference or they just got really lucky. Yeah, that's entirely possible.

[00:26:10] Something tells just by like the quality of this film, something tells me that was just a rather

[00:26:18] interesting coincidence. Everybody had just been a simple way of going to be like, yeah,

[00:26:22] this is why an American kid is named light. Yeah, there wouldn't make sense otherwise.

[00:26:27] There's my man to be a hippie. I mean, there's some nothing against like modern parents,

[00:26:33] but some modern parents give their kids the most like bizarre names nowadays. So. Oh, yeah,

[00:26:39] it's because we got to be special and unique and a subject like it to endless bullying because of it.

[00:26:44] Yeah, well, I mean, there's nothing wrong with wanting your kids name to be unique, but like,

[00:26:50] there, there are limits. There are limits to what is acceptable.

[00:26:53] Well, when you start naming children after obscure like objects, that's when it gets bad.

[00:26:58] Yeah, right. And they meet my son, desk lamp, desk lamp table that works too.

[00:27:05] Well, they just name them after and make characters. That's starting to happen.

[00:27:13] Oh, yeah, that's true.

[00:27:14] And I love trying to think any I will say I liked the music in like general like,

[00:27:23] audio presentation in this film.

[00:27:24] Yeah, it sounded good. I mean, I will say that some of their song choices were a little strange

[00:27:30] for the scenes. Yeah, they were, but I mean, I'm into this style of music. So it's like I was kind of

[00:27:36] like, yeah, that's fine. I'm okay. That's fair. But um, what was it song? It's signed up played when me,

[00:27:43] it was falling from the from the, uh, the Ferris wheel. That was really bizarre.

[00:27:49] I don't know. I was laughing then, direct scene. It's hard when they're like, when she grabs the book,

[00:27:56] the look on a light space is priceless. And then she's like, she's like, you wrote my name in the book,

[00:28:02] laughing about me. Like, yeah, she's like what the fuck? Like yeah. He's like, well, you pissed me off.

[00:28:08] So I was just like Jesus.

[00:28:10] Like this is like the most contrived like so many like angsty tropes like just thrown into one scene.

[00:28:20] Yeah. Well, that was one of the, that was one of the things where like the whole,

[00:28:23] you know, if you're going to change the rules, make the rules clear kind of thing because like,

[00:28:28] I was really confused with that whole part.

[00:28:31] Because like the way it works in the anime is once a name is written,

[00:28:37] like there's, you know, that's it that person is dead. So you can't like say this person dies,

[00:28:45] but then, you know, you have to grab this book.

[00:28:48] Well, I mean, you can control people in that way to an extent.

[00:28:52] But like, like you can't specify a secondary person because that that secondary person will

[00:29:00] then die because you wrote their name.

[00:29:03] I forgot in the original like manga and anime, but someone else write a name in the book

[00:29:08] or could it only light? Oh, yeah. Anyone could write a name.

[00:29:11] And if you, if you touch any piece of the death node, then you also see the death dot.

[00:29:17] Okay. Yeah, they didn't quite, uh, they didn't keep that. They didn't go that far.

[00:29:22] Right.

[00:29:23] Because the only person you see is William de Foes.

[00:29:26] It's like, yeah, which is, yeah, that reminds me there was a part in it where they were like,

[00:29:32] uh, light was like, Oh, well, maybe I'll just write your name, man. He's like, Oh, you can try,

[00:29:37] but the most anyone's ever gotten is two letters of my name.

[00:29:40] And it's like, but, but didn't you read his name in the death note?

[00:29:45] Didn't somebody write it in the death note saying, don't trust for you?

[00:29:49] I'll have to go back and I'd have to look at that. Did they spell it right?

[00:29:53] That's the question.

[00:29:55] I'm pretty sure. Oh, and also if light if light so smart, how can we,

[00:29:59] can't pronounce rueck?

[00:30:00] Well, because this version isn't smart.

[00:30:04] Yeah, that's fair.

[00:30:06] At least he's selectively smart. Yeah, it's got this, this movie was the L.

[00:30:15] Can you think a reference to the manga or would do it? Did they just add that for this?

[00:30:20] Just for fun fun things?

[00:30:22] The what without? And anytime they showed L, he's always eating candy.

[00:30:25] Oh, yeah, that's like his thing. He's always eating sweets.

[00:30:28] Okay, so they guess they kept some things. Yeah, and like, um,

[00:30:32] wasn't any sitting weird too? I feel like at one point or I mean, he was it,

[00:30:37] he was in the teenage girl pose, like sitting on the bed, like feet up in the hair at one point.

[00:30:42] Yeah. Um,

[00:30:47] Trying to think, yeah, there was, there was a lot of weird stuff. Oh, and L would never use a gun.

[00:30:51] So I don't know where the hell that I love. I love to. How like he is so trusting of this random

[00:30:56] citizen. He's like, he's like, just look away, government work. And then the guy just

[00:31:00] bashes him over the head with the Lord. It's like, yeah. Like you didn't see that coming.

[00:31:05] Yeah, right. He's like, this guy is Keira. I think. Oh, is he whack? Yeah. He's like, the media.

[00:31:10] It's like, it's like, okay. It's like okay. Oh, man, real. This, this woman, the best way to describe

[00:31:17] this film is just it's goofy. Like that's really about it. It's not a movie to be taken seriously.

[00:31:24] No. I mean, I mean, even then, like, when I say like, William Defo is the best part of this film,

[00:31:30] that's mostly just because he just Hams it up the entire time. Yeah, he had a blast doing this movie.

[00:31:35] I know. And like, that was one thing though, like not only will Defo's like portrayal of Ryuji, but just

[00:31:41] the way you looked was all also really good. I like that a lot. Yeah, especially because you only

[00:31:47] see him up close like a couple times. Most of the time he's like in the shadows. Yeah. And that

[00:31:52] really works well for the movie. I was like, like, I'm not going to say that there wasn't anything

[00:31:58] about this movie. I like, because there was a couple things that I like obviously will Defo

[00:32:02] being the biggest, but yeah, it was just William Defo being William Defo. Yeah,

[00:32:07] I got a lot of green goblin vibes. Let's just say. Oh, for sure.

[00:32:13] I just wish they had done more with like, because one of the biggest things about Death Note,

[00:32:19] like one of the things I feel like they made this movie try to feel more like an action adventure

[00:32:25] kind of movie. But that's not what Death Note is, that's not what Death Note ever was. It's always

[00:32:32] been like this is a clash of minds, not a bodies. Yeah, you know, like there's very few like

[00:32:41] action heavy scenes in the Death Note manga or anime. It's more intellectual, which this film

[00:32:48] wasn't trying to be at all. No. It's just like they get the book. They're like, let's go on a killing spree.

[00:32:57] It's like, okay. Yeah. God, what else? It's hard for me to keep my thoughts straight because it's just

[00:33:05] there's this film is honestly just nonsense. Like that's basically it really is. And like some of

[00:33:14] like the some of the decisions they made with the shooting too. Like when like right after

[00:33:23] he convinced me that the Death Note was real, which that whole deal was another stupid thing

[00:33:29] entirely. But after he convinced her and everything and like they're doing that whole dramatic like

[00:33:35] we're walking together side by side, but we're doing a voice over as walking down the street,

[00:33:41] talking about this Death Note and what we could do with it. Yeah, it was just really cheesy.

[00:33:46] Yeah, honestly.

[00:33:50] Oh, and yeah, so the whole thing where like he's like, oh, like, when you really want to know,

[00:33:56] like, if she asks about, she asked about what he's got there and everything. And he's like,

[00:34:02] oh, I can't tell you. She's like, oh, fine. He's like, we'll do you really want to know.

[00:34:05] You're like, he was so quick to just tell. Yeah, he's like, he's like, uh, you don't want to know.

[00:34:12] But I'm going to tell you anyways, because you're hot. It's like, pretty much. And that's why I say like

[00:34:17] aside from killing his mom, or keeping not killing his mom, killing his mom's killer,

[00:34:21] the only reason he was using the Death Note was to get late. Pretty much.

[00:34:26] And it was very abrupt. Oh, yeah, like the second he has what to be. I'm surprised he didn't go

[00:34:34] along with what she wanted, because he did. It's like he all of a sudden gets very righteous towards

[00:34:38] the end. Yeah, like all of a sudden he grew a moral compass. That's like, okay, so that didn't kick

[00:34:45] in until 400 people later. Yeah, it's like, that's like, it seems like everyone would have been

[00:34:51] okay if she had the book and he just kind of hung out. Like, I don't think anyone would have been

[00:34:55] really that upset for real. Like, honestly, he should have just given it to her if he wasn't interested.

[00:35:02] Yeah, but then he got this weird moral compass later on.

[00:35:04] Yeah. So bizarre.

[00:35:07] Try to think more. There's really not much else in this film.

[00:35:13] Really now it's just, oh, what about the fucking weird? What the hell? The song that

[00:35:14] Waterie was singing to to L? Wasn't that from the Wizard of Oz?

[00:35:26] I think so. I think that was like the song they sing when they first get to

[00:35:30] or to that Emerald city. Yeah, that was another scene. That was really pointless as like

[00:35:37] Waterie just goes back and missing. He's like, I don't know the name, but I'll go on this journey

[00:35:41] to find it. And then it's like he finally finds it and just gets shot in the head.

[00:35:44] Yeah. Like, it's like all right. We're going to be like, oh, just you said dealer's choice.

[00:35:49] Like, it's like all right. I love it.

[00:35:55] I will say I enjoyed the the ending credits with all the bloopers. That was pretty funny.

[00:36:00] Yep. I mean, at least like you can tell they at least had fun making this

[00:36:04] despite it not being good. No, I mean, if they enjoyed it and they had a good time. And like,

[00:36:12] just the thing is, I don't blame the actors for how this turned out.

[00:36:16] It was it was the writers, the writers.

[00:36:20] They didn't know what they were doing or they thought that they were good, they were going to do

[00:36:25] something crazy and innovative and different and that it was going to

[00:36:28] work but it just it didn't. Well this was still during that era where like they still thought like

[00:36:35] Americans wouldn't care that they changed the story they only care about the franchise and it's like

[00:36:41] no they won't accurate accuracy not that. Yeah well if it didn't work for a dragon ball which is like

[00:36:48] the biggest and most well-known anime in the world aside from maybe one piece or Pokemon like

[00:36:55] it wasn't gonna work for you. Like yeah like it didn't work for dragon ball it didn't work here

[00:37:01] um didn't work for uh Ghost in the Shell. Was that before after this? I think it was shortly

[00:37:11] after. Okay yeah trying to keep all that straight that's... I think this was like one of the first

[00:37:22] one of the first of like the new wave of live-action anime adaptations. Yeah and I mean because they

[00:37:30] didn't they didn't really strike gold until one piece either which is really sad in hindsight.

[00:37:35] It's really like oh all and that's the book with my mind that of all anime is to like really

[00:37:40] get it right it was one piece. Well I mean when the when the creator is heavily involved I mean it

[00:37:47] makes sense. Yeah well that's one of the reasons why I'm kind of like I'm on how that new avatar is going to be.

[00:37:53] Yeah I mean because you can tell like because Akira Toriyama wasn't very involved with

[00:37:59] Dragon Ball Evolutioned. And that's the sad thing is he's why he said. Yeah I know because like he

[00:38:05] I remember after Kima he was like totally behind it like behind it in quotation marks.

[00:38:10] I think that's just like the the kind of professionalism of the Japanese tend to have with that kind

[00:38:17] of thing. And then like after some time I buy he was like yeah that was trash.

[00:38:20] Well that's the whole reason we got battle with God just because he was like I don't want Dragon

[00:38:25] Ball to end on that. Right now it's still going. Yeah no kidding.

[00:38:30] Try that. Yeah because like one piece is definitely the first. Yeah but one piece is definitely

[00:38:38] the biggest like big sense because I mean we also had the live-action Cowboy Beep Hop which

[00:38:46] not enough said on that. Well I still haven't seen that one but it's not as bad as people say but it's still not good.

[00:38:54] That's fair. Well I'm sure that will end up being a future episode and I'll watch it then.

[00:39:01] Yeah it's funny too like all of these are Netflix produced pretty much nowadays.

[00:39:07] Yeah right there's like very few that aren't because we got the Yu organizational one that just

[00:39:12] came out too. That one's Japanese made though so it's not quite as baffling that that one's supposedly

[00:39:21] pretty good. Yeah it doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be good though through. I've seen the

[00:39:30] attack on Titan live-action or the Full Metal Alchemist. I only saw the first half of that one but

[00:39:37] yeah not in both cases. Although I'd say Full Metal pride did a better job than the Attack on Titan did.

[00:39:44] Full Metal it is like see there I think the reason all other reason that Kenshin works so

[00:39:49] well is because Kenshin is very much a down to earth like style of a show like it's not like

[00:39:56] super insane. Yeah anything actually the live-action Kenshin is more insane because of the freaking

[00:40:01] seeing what the gun is. I don't know what other things that works with that with that particular

[00:40:07] franchise is because it's it is grounded it is real it's it's simpler and they can just kind

[00:40:14] of go off the style of like a classic samurai movie. Yeah there's no other than like some of that

[00:40:20] the borderline magic that happens in that show it's pretty down to earth. The problem is a lot

[00:40:27] of these they try to be super they're super like over the top manga and they try to like adapt that

[00:40:33] and it just doesn't work in real life. Which is funny because Death Note arguably could have

[00:40:39] worked. I know and that's the thing is it did work because the Japanese did it like they made

[00:40:46] I mean the third one wasn't great because it kind of went off the rails from the actual story but

[00:40:53] the first two live-action Japanese Death Note movies were phenomenal wonderful movies. Yeah they like

[00:41:01] I mean and they did it right which is the point where they kept the characters who they were supposed to

[00:41:04] be and but they made the changes they needed to make them make it a movie you know as opposed to a

[00:41:10] series. But yeah it's also it had the benefit of the English dub they actually got back almost every

[00:41:22] actor from the anime for the English dub of that movie. Those movies so that was pretty interesting.

[00:41:29] Yeah so we saw it like Brian Drummond as a as for you and all of them.

[00:41:35] That's good. Yeah out of there's not much else to say in regards to this one

[00:41:44] I'd give it a like I guess out of 10 rating I'd give it a five and that's only because it was

[00:41:50] entertaining but not you know not because it was good in the sense that like this is terrible but it's funny.

[00:41:56] Yeah yeah that's fair yeah I was gonna I was gonna be harsher on it but

[00:42:09] I made to be fair I've watched it since it came out probably just between watching it myself

[00:42:17] and showing it to other people who probably wouldn't watch it otherwise probably four or five times at

[00:42:23] least. I mean it's entertaining in the sense that like this is terrible. It's one of those so bad

[00:42:31] it's good kind of things. Like I'd rather watch this than Dragonville Evolution. Yeah I definitely

[00:42:38] say this is a fun or movie than Dragonball Evolution was. Dragonball Evolution is also longer and just

[00:42:44] even more absurd. I will say Evolution does have the props though that it has a good video game

[00:42:52] adaptation. That's true. That's all like is these that move to Caiang in though. Yeah. That's true.

[00:42:58] I probably get the movie the same rating as you. I was gonna be harsher on it but honestly

[00:43:03] will the foe just raises it for me? Well I'm going to foe and like there was some funny

[00:43:08] one-liners here and there. Oh yeah for sure. Who who is the actor that played the dad because I thought

[00:43:14] he did a good job as well. Yeah I did like him. Like if you were going to go with like the classic like

[00:43:20] Citycott. Yeah. Like he definitely did like American Citycott rather. He definitely

[00:43:29] definitely nailed that part. I don't know what was going on with his cyber and so.

[00:43:33] Yeah. He had a look to him. He looked like he could have been an anime character with a taepper.

[00:43:44] His name is Shea Wigam. That was the other thing is a side from a side from Will the Phone and not Wolf.

[00:43:51] I didn't really know any of the actors in this movie. Yeah. I'm like looking through and it's like

[00:43:57] most of them are like they did stuff. That's really about all you could say. Pretty much.

[00:44:05] Although I mean this could have been like a decent stepping zone for not Wolf. He ended up being

[00:44:12] ended up being Lloyd Henry in the 2020 adaptation of The Stand. Which is definitely the inferior

[00:44:23] version from what I understand. Yeah. I mean the original miniseries is iconic though so.

[00:44:32] It's it's pretty hard to beat. But I think from what I understand from like the same

[00:44:41] podcast and stuff. It's like that particular adaptation had a lot of the same problems that this

[00:44:51] one that we're talking about did where I think they changed characters in ways that didn't make sense.

[00:44:56] Yeah. It seems like the Netflix seems to be like very good at that as of late.

[00:45:07] I mean granted you had one piece is the exception. Just because

[00:45:11] yeah, Odo was so heavily involved. But

[00:45:14] yeah, now they're now they're making another one piece anime to try and capitalize on it.

[00:45:21] Yeah. Which I've seen so many split opinions on that. So

[00:45:27] we'll see this thing as I think what would do a great job with it.

[00:45:33] Because it was a fantastic animation studio, but like it is such a kick in the balls to the

[00:45:39] towy animators. Yeah. Then the funny the funny cast like they've been doing that for so long now.

[00:45:45] Yeah. Like I don't even know. Like are they going to use like the live action cast? Are they

[00:45:51] gonna cast a whole new set of people like. Yeah. I know. And we're gonna have two separate

[00:45:56] one piece animators with two separate dubs running at the same time.

[00:46:02] Yeah, it's bizarre also that I still think that that's like one of the dubs names ever though, just the one piece.

[00:46:08] So like what? Yeah. That's true. I know they can't use the official name for obvious reasons.

[00:46:14] But it's just like out of all names they could have chosen just the one piece like really?

[00:46:19] For real. I couldn't do like. Well, I guess that would kind of be the live back.

[00:46:24] That was a live action version, but I don't know. It's just I think they jumped the gun on that too quickly.

[00:46:30] Yeah, especially because like season two might not as beaten. Might not even be as good.

[00:46:35] Yeah, I mean, who knows by long will they be able to keep that up?

[00:46:40] That's a good question. I mean, I guess that depends on how long go to stays involved.

[00:46:47] Yeah. And the other question too is how long is he gonna stay involved because he still also has to

[00:46:52] write? Yeah, he's still writing the manga. You know, he's

[00:46:54] I don't know. We'll see what happens with that.

[00:46:59] Yeah. Yeah, I guess other than that though, this is going to be probably a shorter episode because

[00:47:05] it's funny to me just how little to that movie there really is.

[00:47:11] Yeah, it's just, see, that's the problem with this, this one of particular is that there's no substance.

[00:47:18] No, it's, it is very much a product. That is a film that if it had come up maybe a couple of years

[00:47:25] earlier, it might have fit better because that was during that period where you had those like really

[00:47:30] shit because that were just like popular because they were shit. Yeah, like it could have been

[00:47:35] in a way like Jennifer's body where it became like a cult classic or something or if it had

[00:47:41] if it had been released in like 2000s before like death note had the kind of following it

[00:47:46] does in America. Yeah, then maybe they maybe they would have gotten enough people to like it before they

[00:47:53] found the original. But they were trying to capitalize on the pre existing death note fans and

[00:48:00] that was a mistake. Yeah, unfortunately. And that's a shame too because I was really excited for this

[00:48:08] because I like death note has a special place for me. It was the first kind of like

[00:48:16] not for kids and me I discovered on my own. And, you know, when I found, I was within 13 or 12 13

[00:48:26] when I first found it and I was all of it. This is back in the era when like, you know, streaming

[00:48:32] wasn't wasn't a thing really yet. I remember to actually watch the series beginning to end

[00:48:41] I had to go on some of those sketchy third party sites. Yep. And it was one of those

[00:48:47] weird ones where like you were only able to watch anything on that site for like an hour

[00:48:54] and 20 minutes total and then you get shut out of the site for like 24 hours or whatever.

[00:48:59] Yeah, how they how they got away with their sketchy nets basically. Yeah. So like, that's kind of how

[00:49:05] I was on the family computer, you know, I was if anybody still has those. Yeah. Just like day by day,

[00:49:16] like watch three, four episodes at a time and like I got super into the series and then

[00:49:23] And then like years later, like when I met my wife, when we first started hanging out that was one of the

[00:49:29] first things we did together was because, you know, she was, she was kind of living off of, you know,

[00:49:35] she didn't have like Wi-Fi or streaming or anything. She just had like the one she did to do

[00:49:40] to play as I brought over my death code DVDs we washed it together and that was like kind of the

[00:49:45] start of our relationship, you know, death note has a really significant meaning to me.

[00:49:50] So when I heard they were making a live action, like an English live action, I was excited about it

[00:49:56] and then it was to big let down. And you saw it and you were like what the fuck is this?

[00:50:01] Yeah, then I couldn't wait to show it to people just to see how bad it was.

[00:50:05] Well, that's like the thing, like this is a great movie to watch with, with people because it's like,

[00:50:10] you just like riff on it the whole time. Oh, yeah, it's oh God, actually a pretty good movie night.

[00:50:18] Yeah, what's the name? Do it in like bad movie night? Yeah, that's always fun.

[00:50:22] So if I mentioned you mentioned those old websites and it just reminded me of like

[00:50:28] the best was like the ones that didn't like, they didn't like segregate anything. So like you'd

[00:50:35] have like all these different links to different shows and they didn't explain what they were.

[00:50:39] So you just kind of be going through randomly and you'd be like, oh, this one looks cool and

[00:50:42] then like three seconds and you're like, this is poor. Yep, you feel like all right.

[00:50:47] At every single show or movie, like every single episode or individual movie or whatever would

[00:50:54] all have like 18 different links to different video players. Yeah. And like some of them had viruses,

[00:51:01] some of them did not. Yeah, you didn't know until you clicked on it. It said that's how like

[00:51:07] that's how my young 12 year old self discovered what head tie was. No, geez, it's like oh,

[00:51:14] like, okay. I mean, it's still better than seeing Akira at 11.

[00:51:20] Yikes. That was my first experience with that and it's been in the boy. It did a thing

[00:51:29] is my perception on animation. Not bad. I mean, in hindsight, it's a beautifully animated film.

[00:51:36] It's just fucked up. Yeah. That's another live action they've been trying to do for years. Then

[00:51:41] I just don't think is possible. But yeah, well, well, say, I mean, like I say, if the right people

[00:51:48] are doing it with the right amount of passion, anything can work. One piece proves that, yeah.

[00:51:54] It just, it just has to be taken seriously and done right. You know, and that's not just something

[00:52:01] you can jump in for a quick buck. Yeah, that's like the key. Like you really need a creator who

[00:52:06] cares basically about their work. Yeah. Actually, like monitor it because we've learned from many

[00:52:14] different sources that you let a director run wild with a property. They'll sometimes end up like

[00:52:20] the last airbender and that was actually the first and the first thing they came to mind when I

[00:52:25] said the quick buck thing. Yeah. But yeah, I thought it would be fun after, after the last one,

[00:52:33] we did. We picked like one of the definitive best adaptations that I thought it'd be fun this

[00:52:41] time to talk about one of the definitive worst ones. Yeah. Like, I will say though, this one is bad,

[00:52:47] but it's at least bad in the fun way. No, you'd always have that in mind. Yeah, boy.

[00:52:55] But yeah, I guess other than that, though, really not much love to say. So we made it almost

[00:53:02] an hour. So that's pretty good. Yeah, but we spent, I think it's been half that time just

[00:53:06] talking about random shit. Yeah, I mean, that's any log history of these days. True, but

[00:53:12] it's it's hard to have a meaningful conversation about a movie like this. It's hard to have a

[00:53:18] meaningful conversation about a movie with no substance whatsoever. Yeah, it's it's all flash and

[00:53:23] no, no meat can only praise William to foe for so long. Exactly, especially when he only had like

[00:53:30] five minutes worth of lines at best. Yeah, most of his dialogue was just laughing

[00:53:36] which was great. Like, I gotta say, I could not have imagined any one better for that role.

[00:53:43] And I just, the real shame that it was wasted on this. The blooper at the end with him in the

[00:53:50] vocab was pretty fun, just to show up that he was actually there.

[00:53:53] But yeah, so anyways, guys, once again, thanks for joining us on Geek Addicts. You can find

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