Level 67 - Quest 64 - Hello, My Name Is... Brian

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Welcome to Remember 64, where this week, well, we're simply

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going on a quest. Hello everyone, welcome to the

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show. And hi if you're returning,

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listener, reviewer and welcome if this is your first time

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joining us on Remember 64, here is where we play and discuss the

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good, the bad, the ugly and everything in between throughout

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the N64's library. My name is David Pitrangelo, not

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Brian, but I am wielding elements of power throughout my

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journey in this strange medieval like world.

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I am not fending off monsters, instead I am doing all I can to

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fend off totally bad vibes this games gets online.

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I mean come on guys, really Jiggy look back here once again.

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Hello, how are you? Oh, I'm doing fantastic.

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I'm here and I don't know why I think of that.

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Is it? I think it's from The Hobbit

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where he yells I'm going on an adventure, but you know, it's

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quest so. I had never, I never watched The

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Hobbit movies. I never got to them.

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Well, yeah, I don't know. I'm, I'm up and down on the

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whole the, the, the trilogy's good.

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It's pretty good. I just, I'm just not the Lord of

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the Rings guy. It's just not my thing.

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That's just. Oh man.

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I know, I know, I know that's hey, I might get a lot of that

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this episode. So but but we have a very

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special guest. Of course, we are going to be

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talking about Quest 64, one of the if not the first person that

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anyone's going to be thinking of out there.

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If you are online in the gaming sphere, as many of us are, if

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you're listening to this show, you of course know of Quest 64

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official or Mike is here with us.

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Welcome to remember 64. How are you?

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Great. Thanks for having me guys.

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Always a pleasure to talk about Quest with people who like the

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Nintendo 64, as opposed to talking up the Nintendo 64 to

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people who don't want to listen to it.

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Yeah, no, we, I've said this a couple times where it's never

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been the top of my favorites list, but as we've done this

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show and continue to, I've loved it more and more than I than I

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thought I I ever would. Because we get to play games

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like this, You know, we get to experience games that I never

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played before, Jiggy's never played before.

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You know, that's a great way to sort of explore a library of of

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games that there's a much more there than the typical titles,

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right. So I think that's a great place

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to start. Let's just head right into it,

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Mike. I know that there's, you know,

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you've talked about this game quite a bit with Quest 64 and

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everything, but let's start from like the beginning with where,

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when, how with the Nintendo 64. What what's, what's your story

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with it? My parents got my younger

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brother and I in Nintendo 64 Christmas of 96.

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It was supposed to be a surprise but there was a huge first party

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controller shortage near the end of the year.

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So after my dad was my dad was working full time and going to

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college full time and he would get home late and it's, you

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know, I live in the Northern hemisphere like you guys.

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So it was dark in December by 5, you know, 5-6 o'clock, whatever.

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And a bunch of nights in a row, he was just disappearing after

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work. And one night my, the whole

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family got in the car with him 'cause we were even going to the

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grocery store. And then he said something to my

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mom and we ended up driving like 45 minutes to a Best Buy that

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was way out of the way. And they got a second controller

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there, a Super pad 64, the like black one that's kind of oblong.

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Yeah, Yeah. Yeah.

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With metal stick. And so that kind of ruined the

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surprise. But they had been looking for a

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couple weeks for any second controller pad for my brother

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and I. So then we opened it that night

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and yeah, it was, it was, I mean, it was like mid to late

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December, so it's not like it came really early, but they were

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obviously really excited. So and it was, you know, that

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that was it. My parents had always been

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really good about getting us video games, but they didn't

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really play a lot with us. My mom would play Bomberman and

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stuff with me on occasion, but this was the first system where

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they were like really involved. We made sure to get 4

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controllers eventually when they became available.

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We played lots of stuff together.

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It was just Mario at the beginning and then I bought

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Turok the next spring or summer whenever it came out in 97 with

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some money. Otherwise it was just renting

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things like Wave Race and whatever Blockbuster had. 9697

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was pretty light on games so. But yeah, it was, I mean it was

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great. I love playing games with my

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with my family and eventually Quest got into the Blockbuster

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rotation and after my mom saw me renting it quite a few weekends

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in a row, he decided to save the family some money and just

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bought. In.

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I wonder, I don't know this offhand.

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I actually should have. Sometimes I look this stuff up.

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I want 'cause you know, there's a whole a lot of discussion

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right now in the gaming space about how expensive gaming is

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and what gaming games cost and stuff.

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There was quite a few cartridges that were 708090 bucks

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sometimes, you know in in the mid to late 90s.

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This console among them. I I don't know, I wonder what I

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wonder what quest cost you said oh, save some money and stuff.

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It's true if you keep renting the same thing for you know, 7

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bucks 8 bucks every every weekend or whatever it costs at

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the time. Eventually you're going to hit

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that $100 pretty quickly. So, but I wonder if it was, it

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was probably like a standard 60-70 bucks I assume for the

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game so. I personally, because I remember

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because it was my money, I bought Turok the second week it

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was out. And that was at Walmart in

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Wisconsin. And that was 8999 without tax.

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So it was 95 bucks my, my whole 100 bucks with to, to then have

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Turok, which I wasn't enamored with when I got it, but I felt

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like, you know, financially committed to playing it for six

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months. You had to fend your fend

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through the fog no matter what. Yeah, I know that one of the,

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one of the. Records show that that was, he

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said, a price higher than the current Mario Kart coming out,

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and people are just up in arms about the price.

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I'm like. I yeah, well, we are, we are

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literally just just like what, a couple days away as we sit here

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right now, a couple days away from switch to being in people's

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hands. So that's one of the reasons why

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this is being a big, a big discussion.

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Yeah. Actually the, the Mario Kart, I,

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I think I've said this, I don't know if we talked about a Jiggy

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or not, but like in in Canada, the Mario Kart's almost 120

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bucks. Like that's oh man, insanity.

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Will that change? I have no idea.

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I'm not getting a switch to at the moment anyways.

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But like, I'm not eager to pay that for any game.

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I don't care what it is like, you know, but but similarly,

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like how you mentioned, like it was 8999 for Turok at the time.

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I remember in, I guess it was in 2000 when No Mercy came out.

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I was a big wrestling fan at the time and I was like, I gotta get

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this one. WrestleMania 2000 was amazing.

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The end and an end of your game is awesome.

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My cousin had that great. That was the same thing.

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It was like 90 bucks and I think I probably walked in there with,

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you know, $100.00 of allowance or whatever it was and it was

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gone. I, I don't regret it at all

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'cause I love that game and I actually still have the actual

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cartridge, but it's like, that's not nothing, especially for a

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kid, you know, that is a significant cost.

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So yeah, it's, it's, I mean, it's a lot now.

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It's a lot then it is what it is so.

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Yeah, that's I kind of like the argument is kind of like bad

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faith all around. You know, there's a lot of

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people our age being like, oh, you know, grow up guys, games

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from, you know, and they show like a systems adjusted for

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inflation or what if what we paid for late Super Nintendo

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Genesis game. Like, no, it was bad that they

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were expensive back then and it's bad they're expensive now.

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Like hobby being expensive is bad for everybody.

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Like we don't need justification for for things being too high.

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The high prices are bad for everybody all the time.

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Yeah, it's it sucks either way. It's it's coming out of your

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wallet, you know, like it doesn't, it doesn't matter if

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it's a then or now. So, so, so eventually you got

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Quest and and played that one. Obviously we'll talk about that

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game in a minute, but was it, were there other games that were

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not the typical, like you mentioned Bomberman, you

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mentioned Mario games and stuff, but like even Turok is somewhat

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I, I would consider that sort of like in the realm of what a lot

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of people may have played at the time and stuff.

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Is there anything that was not the quote UN quote stereotypical

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sort of choice for the 64 that you had 'cause I know Jiggy has

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tons of those in his experience and I did not growing up.

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For me, it was all very much like 90% was the typical stuff

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that everybody played and everybody had.

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Did you have any of those sort of like hidden gems like Quest I

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would say is one of those as well.

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But was there any other of those like in your rotation, whether

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it's rental or ownership or anything?

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I've got a few buck. Bumble was really big in our

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household. Still have an affinity for that

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game. My 2 cats are named Bug and

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Bumble as kind. Of like a.

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Fall back to to that game. My brother actually got that for

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like his birthday or something and then didn't like it and then

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I loved it and then he got jealous of me loving it.

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And then we played the multiplayer a lot.

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So that's a that was a big one. Wayne Gretzky 3D hockey.

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We played a ton of. Sweet trying.

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To think of other ones, See, I played a lot of sports, so NBA

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Showtime is like my favorite sports game on the system.

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Probably a lot of people talk about End Time because they like

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the way it looks like NBA Jam, but I think Showtime was even

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better than that. So we played a ton of that.

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And then like you said, wrestling games.

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We had Attitude, we had WrestleMania 2000 and we didn't

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have Revenge or or No Mercy. We had original on World Tour

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Attitude in 2000. We played the hell out of 2000,

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even like, just making some popcorn and setting up an entire

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pay-per-view with our like, created characters.

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And then you. Know a bunch of normal

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characters and then watching just like the matches play out

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for two hours while we ate snacks and stuff was that's

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amazing. I love, I love the character

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creators and some of those too, like the no mercy one I go back

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to sometimes, like I put in the cartridge.

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What was it like? I don't like a month ago or

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something like that. I'm like, ah, I got to play a a

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round of the, you know, whatever, one of the one of the

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belts or something, right. And I was like, Oh yeah, a

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couple years ago I made John Wick.

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Like it's just a guy in a suit that kicks a lot and punches,

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doesn't really do a lot of wrestling moves, but like, I

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love it. It's just stuff like that.

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It's just it's a blast. And he's like super overpowered,

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like every kick, like takes a huge amount of damage off and

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stuff. That's awesome.

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So as far as Quest goes, was that, I mean, you said in, you

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know, obviously it's it's hard to just sort of come across

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these games and stuff Was Quest like, I guess you, you obviously

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you rented it for a little bit and then when you sat down and

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like fully played it, was it one of those experiences where

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you're like, Oh yeah, like I remember like this, this hits

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with me. Or did it sort of take some time

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'cause let this happen with a lot of games that are among

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favourites for people? No, it was pretty.

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It was pretty instant. I'm older, so I played some, you

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know, 16 bit RPGs right up until we had Nintendo 64.

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I was playing Final Fantasy four or two here in the Americas

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right when we got it. And I remember the like, like

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culture shock that was going from, you know, that game to W

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64 where everything was, you know, it was like like Grand

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Theft Auto 3. I was able to like run around

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in. Environments that were.

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You know, like 3D modelled and, and then do random battles and

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and turn based stuff. And I mean it.

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I don't want to compare those two games in the, you know, like

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quest 64 is like just a masterpiece, just like Final

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Fantasy 4 is. But I mean, it was something, it

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was enough to capture my imagination in my in my teenage

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years and see how cool RPGs were going to be moving forward.

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I hadn't, I didn't have a PlayStation yet, though I had

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not played Final Fantasy 7. I had friends playing it and

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Parasite Eve and a few other games.

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I did eventually get into them and I like obviously I recognize

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how great those games are, but they have a lot of that same

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like Final Fantasy style abstraction where like you're in

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the overworld and cloud is huge. He's the size of the.

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Of the building. The High Wind and every city,

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yeah, yeah. And Quest didn't have that.

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It was like playing Mario RPG before Paper Mario came out.

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So. It.

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Was a cool combination of stuff and it just, it gripped me and I

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haven't been able to let that feeling go for, you know,

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decades, no. Hey, that's OK.

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You don't have no one's asking you to hang on to it, Jiggy.

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What about you 'cause I my, my history of it is just, I haven't

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played it till now. So I'll, I'll get into details

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of how I felt about it and stuff.

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But what about you? Did you play this before?

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Is it? Was was it among that pile that

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you and your dad went through at one point?

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So actually really funny. So I did own it.

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I only watched it be played once.

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My friend played it and I never, I just never played it.

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I I had it, I owned it. I was.

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In the house it was it was feet away from your, from you.

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You could have. It was one of those I think I, I

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got it and like a like a yard sale or something and it was

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like in between or like right when I got my game cube and

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everything. So I was sort of not that I

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didn't go back to my N64 collection quite a bit, but when

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I did, I would always go back to Banjo Kazooie or Banjo Tooie,

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you know, like the games that I really loved.

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Like I'd go back and just replay those before going and playing a

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a bunch of different games. Like Quest just was one of those

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that I had in the in the bucket, but I didn't, I didn't really

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gravitate to it. Right.

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For whatever reason, I had a couple games like that, you

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know, but I I did have Buck Bumble.

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I played that on Bomberman 64. I played that like there's some,

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there's some good, good bangers in there.

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I think it's just one of those like even as a kid, there's not

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enough time to enjoy every game, you know?

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And some games just unfortunately didn't make the

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docket before I transition to the next console.

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Don't even get me started on my Switch library.

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And I'm getting a Switch too, so.

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Oh my God. Same deal I guess.

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Yeah, I was just gonna say, see, that's the issue that I run into

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over the last decade. I would say 1 because, you know,

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you get older, you get a job if you want to spend some money for

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yourself. Like a lot of mine goes towards

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video games and stuff related to video games, obviously with the

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background behind me. But you know, as a kid, for me,

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for me, for the 64, I didn't have a massive library, you

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know, and I always gravitated towards, I mean, no mercy was

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later, but like I put weeks and weeks of my life into that game.

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But like I always played Mario Party.

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I always played Mario 64. I always went to, you know,

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Ocarina of Time eventually when I got it, always went to Banjo

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cause like it was very much those ones.

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Diddy Kong Racing was probably actually the game that I played

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for the longest amount of time because it's so much earlier in

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the life cycle of the, of the console.

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But like I just, I just don't, I just, I just, it's so crazy that

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like there's this console that we're talking about that I have

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a podcast for and stuff. And I'm just like, yeah, I don't

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know. Never never even really heard of

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this game like. That's the best part.

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That's the best part yeah, it is it is a lot of fun for it for me

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so to to do that. But but let's let's talk about

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the game itself. Let's talk about quest 64M.

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We'll we'll get to you in just in just a SEC.

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Obviously there's going to be, I will tell you right now, there's

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going to be more than a few times that I, or more

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specifically me, but that we will probably need to be

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corrected on something that we're talking about, whether

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it's like a fact or something like that.

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Feel free to stamp all over us, man.

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It's all good. But 'cause I, I, I go into this

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again, I go into this with very little experience knowing of it

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and never playing it. So, you know, seeing a couple

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scenes here and there, but not even physically like sitting

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there, like you said, Jiggy and watching anyone play it.

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I never even experienced it that way.

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So I've only seen some battles. I've only seen some, you know,

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areas and stuff that that you can find online and stuff.

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So I think my initial impression, my first, let's say

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couple of hours of this was, oh, this is this is to me, this this

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game looks pretty good. The character models are pretty

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fun. I love how colorful it is like I

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I do really like that sort of uniqueness of it.

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But I do think that right off the bat I was like, oh, this

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feels very early Nintendo 64, very early 3D anything which

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which we run into quite a bit with this console.

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It's early 3D. They're trying to figure things

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out. It is what it is, right?

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And I don't know that that feeling ever really left as I

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played the game. I do feel like there's a lot of

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points where it definitely does better than that.

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It improves and feels like, oh, this is very ambitious.

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This does a really good job of this or this.

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But overall, my overall feeling of it was, oh, if it if this

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came out maybe like a year later and they had more experience

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with the console or they had a little bit more time for it to

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cook. Although sounds like the

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development of this wasn't exactly simple, I it would have

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sort of maybe hit with me. But I'm also coming into this as

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someone who did not play Final Fantasy four or two, did not get

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into RPGs early, really just dabbled with them 'cause friends

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had them. I don't even know if I ever

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owned an RPG until Zelda. Maybe like a Korean of time, if

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you want to consider that to be like a quote UN quote official

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RPG. Like I was too young to sort of

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get into those things probably for the Super Nintendo and the

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N64 came along and it was Mario Kart and all the things that

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I've that I've mentioned already, like that's kind of

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what it was. So I think maybe if I had it at

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that time, it would have blown me away a little bit more and

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stuff. And I don't, I don't dislike the

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game. I just feel like it was, even

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though it took a while to get to where it is, I think with the

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story of how it's sort of been developed and all these things

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that we'll get into and stuff, I still felt like it was a little

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bit undercooked. But I don't think it's a bad

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game. I do not think it is like the

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worst RPG or the worst game. There is a lot here to enjoy and

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a lot of really cool ideas, especially for this time of when

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these these types of games are coming out.

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So absolutely, yeah. Jiggy, what?

00:19:29
What about you? Is there 'cause you, you played

00:19:32
it all the way through just like a month or so ago or a few weeks

00:19:35
ago or something, right? Yeah, it was, yeah, maybe a

00:19:38
month or two ago, I can't remember exactly, but I played

00:19:41
through it and it was really. So the first thing that gripped

00:19:46
me. I actually, I love the movement.

00:19:49
I I started running around as Brian and I was just like, this

00:19:52
feels really good. Like just.

00:19:55
He has definitely nailed it, that's for sure.

00:19:57
Nailed it running. It felt his animation.

00:20:00
I find his animations like. I like the animation itself,

00:20:04
it's just. It's so fast that it throws me

00:20:06
off. It's just like, chill, dude,

00:20:08
chill. Like I thought I had, I thought

00:20:10
because so I had to play this in order for me to sort of properly

00:20:13
get through this. I had to emulate to play this on

00:20:16
my Steam Deck. I didn't actually get to sit and

00:20:18
play it with the with the N64 specifically this time,

00:20:20
unfortunately. I thought it was an emulation

00:20:23
problem at first when he first started running.

00:20:24
Not gonna lie, I thought something was up.

00:20:28
He's just, he's cooking. Yeah, He's moving.

00:20:30
He's booking. No, I really, I, I enjoyed it

00:20:35
going through. I I definitely feel I I sort of

00:20:38
had the same feeling that I had when we played body harvest

00:20:42
where there's a lot of like houses to go into.

00:20:45
But when you go into like it's sort of like empty areas and

00:20:49
kind of big open and it's not bad.

00:20:51
It's just I don't know if it needs more time to cook.

00:20:54
If if I mean, you could probably say that about anything.

00:20:58
It just feels a little, a little empty.

00:21:00
Could be early and 64. It could be just development and

00:21:03
everything, I don't know, But I did.

00:21:06
I got like a Body Harvest vibe. But I, I really overall, I was

00:21:12
enjoying it. I went in with the mindset, you

00:21:15
know, watching this guy in his Twitter glory just sharing about

00:21:21
the game. I'm like, this is there's no way

00:21:23
this is a bad game. There's just going right.

00:21:26
There's nobody in the 100%. I was like, there's there's

00:21:29
value to be had here. And like everyone always says,

00:21:32
oh, it's it's one of the worst N64 games and it is certainly

00:21:37
not. I've played far worse and even.

00:21:42
Like, like I said, when we were, what we were just talking about

00:21:44
was like, we, we played, we played Power Rangers, man.

00:21:47
Like this is not the worst. Yeah, you really hated that one.

00:21:50
Oh my God, I fucking hate that. I did not hate that one like

00:21:52
you. Did I just?

00:21:53
I think it's just a complete waste of time.

00:21:56
It's so funny, though, I, I think about this, and because

00:22:00
two games always come up in the conversation when we talk about

00:22:03
like the worst N64 game, and it's always Superman and this

00:22:06
game. And to be honest, I have fun

00:22:08
with both of them. Like Superman, treat Superman

00:22:11
like a sandbox. Go in the training mode, just

00:22:13
fly around. It's blast.

00:22:14
Yeah. Pick up the.

00:22:15
Car go swimming like a dolphin. I have fun with that.

00:22:19
This one a. Multi killer too.

00:22:21
If you guys haven't played multiplayer Superman, it's.

00:22:23
Awesome. Oh yeah.

00:22:24
It's like, yeah, it's like flying around in your machines

00:22:27
and like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Jiggy talked about it and

00:22:29
me and Jake were sitting there recording and I was like, wait,

00:22:32
what? That's what it is.

00:22:33
It's so it's such a weird thing, but I wish I I wish I played it.

00:22:37
I would have been just experiment with it, you know

00:22:39
what I mean? Just yeah.

00:22:40
Yeah, it's so weird. My my only issue with this game

00:22:45
is it's very grindy. Random battles happen like every

00:22:51
two seconds, but you don't get enough experience from those

00:22:55
battles and you have to sit there like the game itself

00:22:59
realistically if it wasn't so grindy would probably be like

00:23:02
two or three hours. Like it's a pretty short game

00:23:06
but with grinding it's like what, 8-9 maybe I think.

00:23:11
I think I I did it in yeah, probably.

00:23:15
I probably did it in nine ish, maybe 10.

00:23:18
Yeah, I mean, you could solve that by just throwing more of

00:23:22
those souls around the world, which I I appreciated that they

00:23:25
at least gave you an option to kind of level up a little bit

00:23:28
quicker. It's almost like they

00:23:29
acknowledged it and they just kind of slapped the Band-Aid on

00:23:31
it real quick. And I'm fine with that.

00:23:33
And I love collecting stuff, so it's like perfect.

00:23:36
But overall I, I think that the charm, for me, the charm puts it

00:23:41
up a peg. I really enjoyed it.

00:23:43
I actually really enjoy the graphics.

00:23:45
I love this, this sort of early N64 look it has, but it also has

00:23:49
sort of like a cartoony over the top style.

00:23:54
Yeah, I was. I liked it more than I thought I

00:23:57
would. So yeah, that's that's where I'm

00:24:00
at with it. Nice.

00:24:03
Mike, Tell me. Tell us how much you totally

00:24:05
despise this game. No, no, no.

00:24:10
I will not. I'm hanging up.

00:24:12
I will not. A lot of the feelings you guys

00:24:15
have are obviously valid and that resonates with the video

00:24:21
game community. That's why you see some of the

00:24:23
things you see and hear the things you hear about it.

00:24:25
A lot of people saw the graphics and expected it to be like when

00:24:30
you see Mario or Ocarina, you know, 64 graphics.

00:24:34
You expect a certain type of game, and this game is not that

00:24:38
game. It's much more traditional RPG,

00:24:42
just with those kinds of graphics.

00:24:44
You know, it's more akin to the first couple Final Fantasies or

00:24:47
the first couple Dragon Quest games off of the NES and SNES

00:24:53
where, yeah, you like, there is random battles all the time.

00:24:57
And with like Dragon Quests or Dragon Warrior over here, you

00:25:00
were one person. You weren't a party.

00:25:02
You were just one dude getting killed over and over again.

00:25:05
And that's how you your experience that was leveling up

00:25:08
like that was get your ass kicked and then and then pull

00:25:12
your bootstraps up and and go at it again.

00:25:15
So to, to like, if you came from that kind of game and expected a

00:25:20
traditional RPG, then this game is like it's pretty, it's pretty

00:25:23
like bang standard for, for levelling stuff.

00:25:27
But that's not what the Nintendo 64 was known for.

00:25:31
And it's it's certainly not the audience they were shooting for.

00:25:34
Like you said, it's it had four controller ports, like right on

00:25:36
the front of the system. It was for multiplayer games, It

00:25:39
was for having your friends over.

00:25:40
It was for experiencing, you know, Mario in 3D and and

00:25:44
Lincoln 3D for the first time. This game just like didn't

00:25:49
resonate with a lot of people in that same way because it's not

00:25:52
an established, you know, franchise and it wasn't the

00:25:56
genre that the system was known for.

00:25:58
So I like it. No, I get it.

00:25:59
Like, I, I understand that this game is definitely a me thing

00:26:03
and not an everyone thing. And I'm just trying to get it in

00:26:06
more people's hands, I guess. And like, give it a give it a

00:26:08
shot in your 30s or your 40s. You're not 12 and waiting for

00:26:13
your turn to, you know, play Mario Kart.

00:26:15
Absolutely. It.

00:26:18
I think it helps too to have sort of a, a base knowledge of

00:26:22
what you need to do in the game too, like leveling up.

00:26:26
I, I on live stream, I had some folks that were like, Hey, level

00:26:32
up your water step first so you get a healing spell, you know,

00:26:35
like just those little tips that you could.

00:26:37
Which you told me too. And I was like, oh, that's what

00:26:40
it does. And like I, I does the manual

00:26:42
tell you that I, I should have checked and maybe it does, but

00:26:45
yeah, it does, right. So yeah, yeah.

00:26:46
So really like. I mean.

00:26:48
Yeah, like, OK, so at the. Time would read the manual

00:26:51
anyways. I, I mean, I, I would have gone

00:26:54
through it, but but now that's not physically in front of you.

00:26:58
Like yes, you can find them online, but like we've said with

00:27:02
multiple games on this show, like I am not inclined to always

00:27:05
say, hey, I'm playing this game for the first time.

00:27:08
Let me go find the PDF of the manual.

00:27:10
Like you can do it, but it's just not the first thing that

00:27:13
pops into my head. I could have done it with this

00:27:15
and I didn't and and that's I fine, but I don't know that

00:27:18
that's necessarily a shortcoming of the game either.

00:27:20
Yeah, I think there's I think there's something to be said

00:27:22
that you can get into a game and just pick it up and play without

00:27:26
having to read instructions or do anything.

00:27:29
And I don't think, I don't think you need to look at instructions

00:27:32
to play this game. I'm just saying it, it helped my

00:27:35
experience having some people on streams being like, hey, I

00:27:39
suggest you level up your water spell.

00:27:42
You know, essentially it was like don't level up your fire.

00:27:46
And I was like, all right, sounds good.

00:27:49
And I'm so glad I followed them and actually levelled up rock

00:27:52
the most because that ended up being like the spells that I

00:27:57
would use throughout the game. Magic barrier.

00:28:01
It's been a minute. I can't remember, but the one

00:28:03
that just drops rocks from the sky, like yeah, once you once

00:28:08
you can watch something I. Think.

00:28:10
Once you can attack multiple enemies at the same time with

00:28:12
one attack, it's like, all right, this game is, it's

00:28:14
speeding up, let's do it. Yeah, I like, I, I really enjoy,

00:28:21
you know, for me, I have again, very little experience with RPGs

00:28:24
around this time. And every once in a while I'll,

00:28:27
I'll, I'll play 1, you know, that's newer and stuff, but I'm

00:28:32
just not the RP like not the quote UN quote JRPG guy, which I

00:28:35
know that not every RPG is a traditional JRPG that would be

00:28:39
made around this time or whatever, but I'm not, I'm just

00:28:41
not that guy. But I like the battle system in

00:28:44
this. I find like the sort of movement

00:28:48
restriction sort of balance that you have of moving around the

00:28:51
sort of battle arena and stuff to be really, really fun.

00:28:55
Because there's a lot of games that have come out in the last

00:28:58
20 years, let's say that. And there's even games that are

00:29:01
coming out today that are saying, you know, it's turn

00:29:04
based, but it's active. You know, that's the battle

00:29:06
system. And that is exactly what this

00:29:09
is. You know, it is an active

00:29:11
system. You are able to move in the

00:29:12
middle of an enemy's move. You're able to move around the

00:29:16
battlefield, but you're still taking turns to hit each other.

00:29:18
And I think that like, that is one of the ideas that this game

00:29:22
has that is better than a lot of games around this time.

00:29:26
I think, I think it really excels in that.

00:29:30
And is it like absolutely perfect every way in every way

00:29:33
that you you sort of execute your moves and stuff.

00:29:36
Sometimes you, you turn a little bit to the left or the right and

00:29:39
you you miss your opponent. It's like, OK, really.

00:29:41
Like, OK, I guess I got to sort of figure that part out or, you

00:29:44
know, but the fact that that the you can just sort of manipulate

00:29:49
the battlefield almost in a way is fantastic.

00:29:53
And I really, really like how they did that from the first

00:29:57
first battle, early, early stuff.

00:29:59
You realize, oh, this is doing something different here with

00:30:01
these battle systems, even though we are taking turns.

00:30:03
And I think that to me that is that was my favorite part is

00:30:07
that. And yes, it is OK, select your

00:30:10
select your move, you know, see, see buttons do that, you know,

00:30:14
sort of cycling through your, your abilities, like a lot of

00:30:16
RPGs do it from the time especially.

00:30:18
But I don't know, I just the that uniqueness of, of being

00:30:22
able to, to move around the battlefield and have the sort

00:30:24
of, you know, circle around you and, and be able to escape when

00:30:28
you get a chance to all that stuff I found to be to be great.

00:30:34
So I don't love random battles, but I like that I can escape

00:30:36
these ones without having any issue.

00:30:38
Yeah, I don't mind. I don't mind random battles like

00:30:41
I love, I love Pokémon, but at least you have the security of

00:30:47
knowing you, you need to be in the grass to engage.

00:30:50
So you could potentially like avoid it.

00:30:52
I love Mega Man Battle Network, which is a little bit more like

00:30:55
this like as if you're on the net, you're running around,

00:30:58
you're going to encounter random battles.

00:31:00
I just felt like they were really, really frequent.

00:31:02
Like you can't go like 3 steps without getting a battle.

00:31:05
And if you, if you do, if you do like have a stretch where you

00:31:08
start running, you're like, whoa, what's wrong?

00:31:11
Like, am I about to encounter a boss or something?

00:31:13
Like something's about to happen.

00:31:17
But the battle system, it's, it's funny, I just made that

00:31:20
Pokémon comparison, but it's like it took what, 25 years?

00:31:24
And now a Pokémon Legends is kind of following this framework

00:31:29
of like an active battle where you can like run around in the

00:31:31
middle of it. Oh does it do it that way?

00:31:33
I have no experience. Pokémon Legends does, yeah.

00:31:37
I know it's not the only game that does it, but it's I, I.

00:31:39
It's, yeah, it's, it's cool. I like that aspect too.

00:31:42
It also gives you some, some extra challenge trying to like

00:31:45
aim your attacks and things. Cause not all attacks lock on

00:31:49
like the rock attacks. There's the one that comes in

00:31:51
from the side. It just like rolls in and yeah,

00:31:55
if you can aim it right, if you can kind of line it up right,

00:31:58
you can hit multiple enemies and if you can't, kind of suck.

00:32:08
I'm a I'm a huge Pokémon Legends RCS fan too.

00:32:11
There's probably something to be said about those two.

00:32:14
Also the aesthetic style, you know, I was probably drawn to a

00:32:17
for a certain reason. They got a, they got a lot of

00:32:19
same stuff going on so. Dude, Legends was that was like

00:32:23
one of my, I'm excited for the new one, but that was like, that

00:32:26
was so refreshing to me when I played that game.

00:32:28
I hadn't been hooked on Pokémon since like Soul Silver.

00:32:32
I, I think maybe I, I played X&Y and I did really like X&Y.

00:32:36
But then like since then I've been kind of like, yeah, OK.

00:32:38
And then legends came out and I was like, this slaps.

00:32:41
This was. Awesome.

00:32:44
I have so little Pokémon, as we've talked about so little

00:32:47
Pokémon experience the before. Before we get too, too far into

00:32:52
it, I wanted to sort of mention, I wanted to find, Speaking of

00:32:55
like reading the manual and stuff every once in a while I

00:32:58
want to sort of find like how, how was this game sort of

00:33:00
described at the time? Like for me, I don't have the

00:33:03
box for this. I don't have, you know, I, I

00:33:05
sifted through sort of some magazines and stuff like that.

00:33:07
But the back of the box, for example, is a fun way to sort of

00:33:10
look like, how did they, how did they sell this to you at

00:33:12
Blockbuster? For example, if, although not

00:33:15
every blockbuster, not every rental place had the boxes out.

00:33:17
Sometimes it was in their own. I don't know if that's how it

00:33:21
was in in your guys stores, but it was like the cartridge, the

00:33:23
actual box for the game wasn't on display.

00:33:26
It was the plastic box that just had the name of the game or the

00:33:29
movie on it. And yeah, OK, wasn't just me.

00:33:31
I thought maybe it was just a Canadian thing.

00:33:32
I don't know. So the back of the box it see it

00:33:37
says a massive adventure RPG. So this might give people an

00:33:40
idea if they don't quite know exactly what it is.

00:33:43
But I can also, we can also obviously describe the story and

00:33:45
stuff too. But it's just Keltland, right?

00:33:48
Or my in my print out that's it's Keltland, right?

00:33:50
That's the way I say it. That's right.

00:33:52
Yeah, yeah. I don't know why I questioned

00:33:53
myself, but Keltland has been cast into chaos by the theft of

00:33:58
Elf Hill's book. The The Mystical volume contains

00:34:03
the secrets of the Spirit Tamers control Brian, a magician's

00:34:07
apprentice, as he explores the expansive countryside and

00:34:10
villages on his quest. If he does not reclaim the book,

00:34:13
the Kingdom of Keltland will be cast Into Darkness forever,

00:34:18
including over 50 deadly spells, fifty 100 characters in it, and

00:34:23
unique battle engine boom. Yeah, that sounds sounds pretty

00:34:28
epic. I I always laugh every time

00:34:30
because I forget his name is just Brian.

00:34:33
Which is. Just like the most normal name

00:34:35
you could have given him. It's so.

00:34:36
Funny. It's awesome.

00:34:38
It's so funny I he's. A normal dude, he's just an

00:34:40
apprentice. He's just a little guy and it's

00:34:43
in obviously it's, it's Countland.

00:34:45
So it's it's like inspired by, you know, Celtic Scottish stuff

00:34:52
and that Brian is like a super traditional boy name from that

00:34:57
time and that place. And people like like to make fun

00:35:00
of it, but like man, like she's just a normal guy.

00:35:03
Why? Why wouldn't he?

00:35:04
Why would he have some crazy name like Cloud or Squaw?

00:35:07
Would he just? Like a normal?

00:35:09
Is it like a like a 12 year old kid running?

00:35:12
Around I just felt like what is the name of the the book?

00:35:18
Or L tail. It's just like L tail when you

00:35:21
throw in names like that, Yeah, then Brian feels off.

00:35:25
It's like if everyone had a normal name it'd be one thing,

00:35:29
but it's like stop the all these like crazy.

00:35:32
Stop the evil. Stop the evil, Ryan.

00:35:38
Oh, no, here comes Paul. Like just things like that.

00:35:43
It's I, I found it to be really weird.

00:35:45
I thought maybe it was like, oh, it's a lost in translation type

00:35:48
thing, which does happen from time to time, right, With games

00:35:51
that are released. But this was as far as I

00:35:53
remember, as far as I can remember, the this was released

00:35:56
in North America. Was it first or it was OK?

00:36:02
And then there was one of the differences too is again, I'm

00:36:04
just going off of sort of some of the notes I wrote down and

00:36:07
stuff like that too. Is that like through the

00:36:10
development, there were supposed to be, or there could have been

00:36:12
multiple characters that you could choose or play as, which

00:36:15
is really interesting. I, I don't know why I didn't

00:36:19
have it in my notes, but Mike, what's, what's what they were,

00:36:22
they were all like sort of different classes, were they

00:36:24
not? Yeah, they are character models

00:36:27
that are still in the game. They just were kind of cut from

00:36:29
the from the playable. Yeah.

00:36:32
So you'll find, yeah, you'll find Flora eventually in the

00:36:35
game. She's a little red and blue, got

00:36:38
a little sword kind of thing. She was one of one of the

00:36:41
support characters. And then Kiliak, who ends up

00:36:45
being the pirate on the ship that you meet with Khalil later

00:36:47
on, he was the third kind of like tank, tank character.

00:36:52
But those were the three playable that got.

00:36:54
Yeah, obviously that got chopped.

00:36:58
Yeah, lots of things got chopped, but what we got was

00:37:01
pretty cool, so. Yeah, yeah, it's it.

00:37:05
I think I think that could have been pretty interesting to sort

00:37:07
of have a choice whether whether it's a team thing or whether

00:37:10
you're playing individual like like you do in this.

00:37:12
I think I think it sets itself apart like you mentioned

00:37:15
earlier, Mike, how like you are adventuring on your own, you

00:37:18
know, and I think that sort of reminds me a little bit of of

00:37:21
the name thing where it's like, yeah, he is just this kid, yes.

00:37:26
He's just, he's not some wizard yet.

00:37:28
He's not this big fantastical character yet and his name's

00:37:34
just Brian. But I think like the expectation

00:37:37
is, oh, it's an RPG. You know, it's has this turn

00:37:41
based system. It's this, it's Final Fantasy.

00:37:44
So someone has to be named blah, blah, whatever, Sir.

00:37:48
This that's I think where some of that comes from.

00:37:51
And I like that. It just doesn't care.

00:37:54
And it's just, you know, it's it's Brian and we're doing our

00:37:57
own thing pretty much from the beginning, whether it's a name,

00:38:01
whether it's the way the characters look, whether it's

00:38:03
the high on caffeine run that he has, like whatever it is like

00:38:08
it's do, it's doing its thing. So.

00:38:12
I had to give him a fancy hairstyle though.

00:38:13
That's that's a requirement of any RPG main character and they

00:38:18
nailed it. It's alfalfa, is what it is.

00:38:21
Alfalfa. Yeah.

00:38:25
What did what did you Jiggy? What did you think of sort of

00:38:27
like the story and stuff? Was that, did that kind of sort

00:38:30
of keep you going or was it more like I, I just, you know, I like

00:38:34
the battles, I like the areas, I like the sort of, what did you

00:38:36
think of sort of. As Oh yeah, absolutely.

00:38:37
That's what kept me going. I wanted, I wanted to see what

00:38:40
happened. It I, I wouldn't say that the

00:38:46
battles kept me going. I I, I got frustrated with how

00:38:53
grindy it was. That was, that was that was the

00:38:55
only, that really was the only thing that I was just like, man,

00:38:59
if I didn't have to sit here and grind to progress to fight this

00:39:05
boss that I want. Like I just want to fight.

00:39:06
I want to, but I'm kind of one of those people to like I'm not

00:39:11
I'm either super into a side quest and I forgo the main quest

00:39:15
and I'm just like, oh, that side quest was amazing.

00:39:18
And then I never like and then I just keep going down that rabbit

00:39:20
hole and keep doing amazing side quests and never finish the

00:39:23
story or I'm all into the story and I just forego like most, if

00:39:28
not all of the side quests. Like it's just kind of how I how

00:39:32
I play games. I don't know.

00:39:33
It kind of depends on what draws me in.

00:39:35
Side quests almost feel like because it's an option, I have

00:39:38
more of a choice of like, oh, like like a game like Witcher

00:39:42
that's like massive. I still have not finished it and

00:39:46
I just, every time I go into the game, side quest, side quest,

00:39:50
side quest. But for quest appropriately

00:39:54
titled, the quest was the main draw for me.

00:39:58
Yeah. And I liked, I liked seeing the

00:40:00
new bosses too. Like every time I felt like

00:40:02
every boss was pretty unique and different 'cause you start out

00:40:06
with the thief and then it just gets like really weird at the

00:40:09
end. And I like fully wanted it to

00:40:10
get weird and it it delivered and it was awesome.

00:40:14
I, I was gonna say I'm glad that this like this game is, is

00:40:18
despite Brian being the hero, this game's weird around Brian

00:40:23
in a lot of ways and. You know what, because I'm

00:40:26
looking at it now, looking at the monsters that popped up,

00:40:29
that was one thing that made the grinding like more tolerable

00:40:33
because like occasionally new monsters would pop up that I

00:40:36
hadn't seen. And I was like, oh, that's neat.

00:40:38
It was kind of like the same, the same draw I get from Pokémon

00:40:40
with a random battle. You're like, oh, that's a new

00:40:43
one. You know, right.

00:40:44
It it was it was cool. And they especially when they

00:40:47
got kind of like spooky and freaky looking.

00:40:49
I was like, this is this game has like why?

00:40:53
But I love it. Why is it doing it?

00:40:55
Yeah, that's fair. Yeah.

00:40:57
These these particular ones that we have pulled up here where

00:41:00
he's he's running through the forest and and fighting these

00:41:03
big sort of, you know, trees, demon trees, Yeah.

00:41:07
Demon trees, yeah. Yeah, they got.

00:41:09
Frog Night. Yeah, yeah, it was like lots of

00:41:14
lots of epic epically designed. Like it's just they got together

00:41:19
and they were just like think of ideas and they just drew out

00:41:22
these characters and they're like, sure, that could be sure.

00:41:25
Just threw into the game. It's like there's no there's no

00:41:28
cohesion, but that's what makes it cohesive.

00:41:30
You know, it's like that's. Awesome.

00:41:32
That's true, 'cause some of the enemies pop up in it and it, it

00:41:35
felt like to me, a lot of the time I was like, oh, this this,

00:41:38
this guy, this guy doesn't belong here.

00:41:40
Like, sure, a tree in a forest. OK, that's fine.

00:41:42
But then. Yeah, no, absolutely.

00:41:44
That makes sense. But then there's, you know,

00:41:46
there's a a mix of different characters in random areas and

00:41:50
like, is it really that bad? No, but also.

00:41:53
It's like it not making sense is what makes sense.

00:41:56
And I, I, I'm into it, I like it.

00:41:59
It's silly. Like you got any like favorites,

00:42:03
like areas, enemies, bosses, things like that?

00:42:05
So kind of going through some of that stuff.

00:42:09
Big Mouth is a community favorite.

00:42:11
It's the alligator crocodile looking thing at the beginning.

00:42:15
We may, we have lots of fun. Bing Chan is one of the world

00:42:19
record speed runners and his wife has done like some crazy

00:42:23
Big Mouth art. So Big Mouth his friend.

00:42:25
We all, we all love Big mouth. Later on, we always anybody who

00:42:30
streams the game for the first time or when we watch speed runs

00:42:34
or when people are doing races, everybody celebrates.

00:42:38
When you get to Mammon's realm and you're on the blue yellow

00:42:42
path where it's just blue, yellow, blue, yellow, like

00:42:44
bricks all the way across. That's a that's another personal

00:42:47
favorite and fun like community favorite time.

00:42:51
Like you said, the music does some really crazy things when

00:42:54
you're in the like trippy Mammon's realm after anything

00:42:57
after Baragun, I guess at the end is is lots of fun.

00:43:00
The weirder it gets, the better, I guess some of the other

00:43:04
enemies like I, I, I've been like jokingly doing this because

00:43:08
I'm ramping up for, you know, quest anniversary month here.

00:43:11
But like I've just been picking random enemies and then like

00:43:14
saying I'm going to post about their lore and then just like

00:43:16
showing a picture of them. And that's the entire lore.

00:43:18
Because obviously, like you're looking at here, like the blood

00:43:23
gel with the eyeball with the eyeball side of it.

00:43:25
That's the whole story. Like if you play the game like

00:43:27
you fully understand it's just some, some weird dude with, you

00:43:30
know, with a, a character model you're not gonna see anywhere

00:43:34
else or only in like crazy RPGs. And you just understand that

00:43:38
that's part of the game. Like that's why I'm playing this

00:43:40
since I'm I'm playing it for the weird dudes.

00:43:42
Yeah, that's, that's The thing is, is I it almost because so

00:43:47
when you're running around, especially early, I was like,

00:43:50
oh, I was a little underwhelmed about the world itself 'cause I

00:43:52
was like, oh, this is like like Jiggy you mentioned sort of

00:43:54
going into the buildings. The body Harvest thing is

00:43:56
actually a really good comparison because it's it's got

00:44:00
some size to it. This I think feels a little bit

00:44:02
more closed off because there's more, there's actually more like

00:44:05
literally walls and cliffs around you.

00:44:06
Whereas in Body Harvest it's kind of just like they don't put

00:44:09
walls, but you, you just can't go over that Cliff sometimes or

00:44:12
you just can't go in that area. So they just sort of make it

00:44:14
look open, but really it is sometimes an invisible wall.

00:44:17
So I was like, oh, this is very like empty.

00:44:20
There's not enough to do here. And, and ever from time to time

00:44:22
I still got that feeling. I don't, I don't think it's very

00:44:24
populated per SE, but it's always populated with different

00:44:30
weird freaking enemies and, and, and I think that like that

00:44:34
really like leans into its personality, whatever the

00:44:38
personality is of this game. I don't even know how to define

00:44:40
it. It's it's so mixed, which is

00:44:42
kind of like what we've been talking about.

00:44:43
It's like it's fun, it's colorful, but it's also really

00:44:47
strange and crazy. And I think it's sort of hits

00:44:52
this weird like middle ground where I, I, I can't quite put my

00:44:55
finger on it. And again, I didn't dislike

00:44:57
playing it and stuff, but every once in a while I was like, oh,

00:44:59
I wish this did this or I wish this did this.

00:45:01
You know, I, I think the one thing that is a big part of this

00:45:06
and we're talking about sort of some of the levelling systems,

00:45:08
is it, it doesn't level like a traditional RPG or now a game

00:45:13
would. If it's a action game that has

00:45:15
RPG elements, you know, sort of built into it where you have

00:45:19
some levelling and stuff like that.

00:45:20
You don't level with experience per SE.

00:45:23
You level with the more you use a spell and you then you collect

00:45:28
these little are they wisps? Is that what they're called?

00:45:30
I can't remember exactly what the name is.

00:45:31
I think. Are they just souls?

00:45:33
Is that what it is? The little little ones, things

00:45:34
that you collect throughout the the game?

00:45:39
I like the idea, but I don't know.

00:45:44
I don't know if it's like like it looks like just like an

00:45:47
environmental like, oh, there's a a raindrop or oh, there's like

00:45:51
a steam coming out of the ground.

00:45:52
I was like, sometimes I like, I didn't know that that's what I

00:45:55
was looking for and it looked like it was almost like a

00:45:58
mistake sometimes because of where they're.

00:46:01
Placed the the Donkey Kong 64 fan of me just loves collecting

00:46:05
crap. So like looking for those was

00:46:07
like part of the fun for me. Yeah, I would yeah, I would I

00:46:13
would say put more make it make me level up like let me get God

00:46:17
tier. I wanna, I wanna be, I wanna be

00:46:19
50 by like the Second World on everything.

00:46:22
Like, it would have been fantastic.

00:46:23
It is fun when you're super strong in this you're that's

00:46:25
true. Like it does take a lot of that

00:46:27
grinding, which is not my favorite mechanic in in any

00:46:29
game, regardless if it's RPG or I guess those are mostly RPGs.

00:46:33
But but yeah, when you are overpowered, when Brian is is

00:46:37
kicking ass with his with his spells, like it's pretty cool.

00:46:41
And I don't know if it's because like, oh, it's just some kid

00:46:44
killing a bunch of monsters and bugs and whatever.

00:46:46
It's like, oh, that feels so unexpected.

00:46:48
I don't know if that's part of what the feel is.

00:46:51
But it's underpowered though. It's like.

00:46:54
Yeah. Terrifying because you're in a,

00:46:57
in a like when I first go into The Cave, like the first cave

00:47:00
you go into and like everyone that was watching my stream were

00:47:04
like, oh, watch out for the Wyvern or whatever it was.

00:47:07
And I was like, oh, OK. And they're like, yeah, you

00:47:10
probably, you probably won't encounter it like right away,

00:47:14
but just be aware that it's in there.

00:47:16
First encounter. Like it popped up and I was

00:47:19
like, oh, no, This is why you were talking about this giant

00:47:22
freaking dragon thing. And no, it's like I am not even

00:47:27
close to being enough to fight this right now.

00:47:30
Yeah, that for me, games in general, when they do that

00:47:34
doesn't really doesn't matter if it's this one or not.

00:47:36
It's like I, I don't know if I love that mechanic in general

00:47:42
where it's like you don't know that you need to be way more

00:47:48
buffed up or levelled up or something to be anywhere close

00:47:51
to being prepared for this, you know?

00:47:54
Do I need everything spelled out for me?

00:47:55
No, I don't think that. I think there's fun and

00:47:57
exploration like finding the souls and stuff too.

00:48:00
I was like, I found a couple early on and I didn't know that

00:48:03
that was one of the mechanics. And I was like, oh, this is

00:48:05
cool, great, I get to find these things.

00:48:07
But I do wish there was more actually.

00:48:10
And I do wish there was like a little bit like, I don't know,

00:48:13
instead of them just being in like this random corner of an

00:48:18
empty space. I wish there was like, I don't

00:48:21
know. I don't know what it is.

00:48:22
I don't know what would solve it per SE, but I feel like I wanted

00:48:26
them to be implemented in a more organic way, but I don't know

00:48:32
how it like I don't know if it's part of like a reward or maybe

00:48:35
I'm just looking for a more traditional RPG system and it's

00:48:39
just not there. And that's that's a me thing.

00:48:42
Did you guys, did you guys visit the start menu screen a lot and

00:48:46
like like look at your progression and look at your

00:48:49
stats? And eventually, yes, eventually

00:48:51
I did. Occasionally, yeah, the.

00:48:54
The system itself is like big if you've played Final Fantasy 2,

00:48:58
which is the one that we didn't get over here until later they

00:49:02
got we got it on PlayStation and stuff.

00:49:03
But it does this exact same kind of like leveling system where

00:49:09
like it's just use based or we have we eventually got it in

00:49:12
something like like Oblivion, like The Elder Scrolls game.

00:49:15
So you like jump and it levels your agility, that kind of

00:49:18
thing. But that like the, once you

00:49:21
start like exploring the menu and like really honing in on

00:49:24
what it's doing, then it like makes more sense.

00:49:26
Like getting hit like by spells, like increases your defense.

00:49:32
And you know, then you see your defense meter go up as stuff

00:49:34
hits you. And the same with MP, like every

00:49:36
time you use win cutter 2 and like eight of those little win

00:49:41
cutters hit all eight of those give you all the successful

00:49:44
hits, give you MP and then your MP bar, you know, you have a

00:49:47
longer MP bar, let's you heal more, which lets you know, yada,

00:49:51
yada, yada. So it is like traditional.

00:49:53
But once again, if you didn't have the manual or you didn't

00:49:56
like go digging and like really make yourself cognizant and tune

00:50:01
yourself into what's going on. Yeah, it's, it's, it is like an

00:50:05
obtuse way. It's not like, oh, I killed a

00:50:07
guy and I got 3 experience points.

00:50:09
It's I let this enemy beat on me for 15 minutes and I ended up

00:50:13
getting like 10 points in the defense and, and three HP and

00:50:19
like it's very like, like Excel spreadsheet kind of stuff and

00:50:23
not so much, you know, a number and, you know, number goes up

00:50:27
kind of stock. Yeah, yeah.

00:50:29
You you get a plus like that you.

00:50:30
Know, by the way, I I remembered something else I didn't like.

00:50:35
There's no mini map. There's a compass, but there's

00:50:38
no mini map and I did have to open up the start menu and like,

00:50:42
it's not it, it's not the first thing.

00:50:44
It needs to be the first thing. I fucking hate that it's.

00:50:48
Like can you just like at least lock it on that screen?

00:50:51
I hate when games do that in general.

00:50:53
It does. It doesn't matter what game it

00:50:54
is. It's like if this is a game

00:50:56
where like exploration or sort of, you know, you have a quest

00:50:59
to go north, you have a quest to go this this many meters or

00:51:02
whatever, like just just make the map.

00:51:06
It doesn't have to be the most detailed thing.

00:51:08
Even in this compass is is something.

00:51:11
But the compass doesn't do anything in in like a cave like

00:51:13
we're looking at right now. It doesn't do anything.

00:51:16
You just look for an open space and you're like, OK, I'm going

00:51:19
to walk this way. And like that's where it's sort

00:51:20
of kind of guiding you to go and that's fine.

00:51:24
But in an open space, like it's just, it could just be right

00:51:28
under or on top of the compass and just be a very basic, here's

00:51:33
a house where you started, here's the general area where

00:51:37
you need to go, and that's it. Or.

00:51:40
Press Start and it's the first thing.

00:51:42
Everyone on my stream was just like telling you they're like,

00:51:45
use your compass, use your compass.

00:51:46
And I'm like, it's not instinctual to me.

00:51:49
I'm not used to using your compass.

00:51:50
I'm not going to remember that. Do you also hate analogs?

00:51:54
Go north. I'm like, Oh my gosh, fine.

00:51:57
Jiggy, do you hate analog clocks?

00:51:59
Can you read those? I can read those, but just.

00:52:02
It's such a waste of time when when I can just look at my

00:52:05
phone, 'cause we have an analog. Now that you say that we have,

00:52:08
we have clocks in my office and I will never look at them.

00:52:11
I'm always just like. One of the so I'm I'm big into

00:52:17
like print media, like magazine strategy guide, stuff like that.

00:52:20
And one of the things I did last year was destroy one of my

00:52:25
quests prima guides because there was no scan of it online.

00:52:29
And the cool thing about that is the really detailed maps that

00:52:32
are in it. So I, you know, scanned it with

00:52:35
a crappy Epson like desktop printer and put it up on archive

00:52:40
so everybody can do. Because that's makes a big

00:52:42
difference if you're especially if you're just a streamer who's

00:52:45
just trying to get through the game and have some fun and enjoy

00:52:48
it with your friends online, Like having the maps of the

00:52:51
dungeon and having the map the overworld is, is.

00:52:56
Yeah. And it it makes the game more

00:52:57
fun. I mean, one of we didn't talk a

00:52:59
lot about regional differences, but one of the.

00:53:01
Yeah, yeah. That was, that's something I

00:53:03
meant to talk about. And then I just sort of, yeah.

00:53:05
We'll just touch one of the the important things is they on the

00:53:09
the big map, which you talked about on the start screen is

00:53:12
they let you have a like oblivion style, like destination

00:53:15
marker. So you could drop a pin and then

00:53:18
on the map, you could kind of see which way you were going,

00:53:21
which is, you know, and the, the the road signs were legible.

00:53:25
So when you'd run up to them, it would tell you this city is this

00:53:28
way, this city is this way, this city is this way.

00:53:30
The Cave is just. That'd be so none of.

00:53:33
That. Like.

00:53:35
Yeah, none of that made the the Rush translation over here, and

00:53:39
El Tail came out almost a year later, so they fixed all that

00:53:42
stuff for the Japanese release. Yeah, it so.

00:53:45
So tell me, have you, have you played the Japanese release or,

00:53:48
or? Yeah.

00:53:50
Is it? On a couple copies of.

00:53:52
Is it, I mean, there's there's these quality of life things

00:53:55
like UI and things like that that, that make part of it more

00:53:57
enjoyable and stuff. But like, does it largely play

00:54:00
the same otherwise? Like is there a massive

00:54:03
difference? Yeah, OK.

00:54:05
Oh, it's mostly the same. There's like there's significant

00:54:07
things like there's critical hits and like like if you, so if

00:54:14
you end up doing a lot of like staff bonks, like the hitting

00:54:17
with the staff, there's like kind of a Mario paper Mario

00:54:21
timed double hit mechanic. So if you like press the staff

00:54:25
button right when you're hitting correctly, you can get like two

00:54:28
hits instead of one kind of thing.

00:54:30
But as far as like mechanically, pretty much the same.

00:54:33
You got more items from the monsters.

00:54:34
They realized that they weren't dropping as much, which, you

00:54:37
know, was hindering people's like progression.

00:54:40
And they added, you guys saw the end.

00:54:43
There's a big long like cutscene at the end of the Japanese one.

00:54:47
It takes about 10 minutes to get through it.

00:54:48
That gives you like where is everybody afterwards and all

00:54:51
that stuff. And that wasn't, you know, it's

00:54:52
just an end screen. There's a translated version of

00:54:55
it online that you can, you can like read through and see the

00:54:59
see the screens. It's really cool.

00:55:01
But all that stuff I think would have helped, like Quest Legacy

00:55:05
in the Americas, 'cause, you know, I don't want to call us

00:55:07
like simple, but, you know, having stuff handed to us during

00:55:14
a time when, like, video games were really important culturally

00:55:17
would have done a lot for people's, like, overall

00:55:19
perception of the games. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:55:22
I think that's that's a very good point.

00:55:24
I think it's it's almost like the the Japanese, you said it

00:55:32
was roughly a year later. It's almost like it's like a

00:55:34
director's cut. Like it's kind of like that kind

00:55:38
of thing where it's like, yeah, we realized like, let's add

00:55:40
these things that we couldn't do or let's make these changes or

00:55:42
whatever. And then you mentioned this sort

00:55:45
of time mechanic. I forgot that.

00:55:46
I sort of looked up that that was the case.

00:55:48
I instinctually tried to do that when I started playing this game

00:55:53
on all of the moves, not just the not just the staff hit the

00:55:56
staff bonk thing. I was like, oh, it feels like it

00:55:59
like it 'cause it just the way that it's presented, the way

00:56:01
that the spells work, the way that he hits them with the

00:56:04
staff, like it feels like it was meant to have that.

00:56:09
So it totally makes sense that that would be something that

00:56:11
would be introduced that they would, you know, use at least in

00:56:14
in some way. I think that could have

00:56:16
actually, as much as I enjoyed the the battle system as is, I

00:56:20
found like, I feel like that could have just added 'cause I

00:56:22
think like we, we've done an episode on it, but Paper Mario,

00:56:26
for example, is just fucking fantastic and.

00:56:28
Part of it. Yeah, part of it is that I love

00:56:31
it. It's.

00:56:31
Outstanding. You should have loved it.

00:56:34
And it's still the only one that I've played.

00:56:36
I need to play the other ones. And, and, and you know that that

00:56:39
mechanic is in a whole bunch of games now, not just that

00:56:41
franchise, obviously. So a very big game that's

00:56:45
amazing. That's out right now.

00:56:46
As we talked about this uses that almost exactly.

00:56:49
Everybody needs to go play Expedition 33.

00:56:51
It's amazing. It's a I'm trying to think like

00:56:56
what the yeah, you know what, my biggest yeah, just my biggest

00:57:01
gripe is is the random battles like I just even in Pokémon,

00:57:06
like early Pokémon, which is I only have experience in the

00:57:09
first two gens, maybe 2 1/2, even though you have to walk

00:57:13
through grass in those games. I'm just like, are you like, are

00:57:15
you kidding me? Like I it just that's not your

00:57:19
capability. Just not anymore.

00:57:22
Just not anymore. Jiggy, you, you talked about how

00:57:24
you have to walk through grass and you know, doing color.

00:57:26
Did you, did you stay on the roads in this game?

00:57:31
Because let me tell you, there is a heat like a heat map

00:57:34
mechanic where if you stay on the roads and in the center,

00:57:37
like the frequency of the battles is lower.

00:57:40
And the further you get away from the roads into the grass

00:57:42
and then to the, the battle frequency is significantly

00:57:45
higher. So if you're trying to like cut

00:57:47
corners and get places faster, that really like increases your.

00:57:51
100% that's exactly what I did. I'd always be the shortest,

00:57:56
shortest line to my destination. That was me.

00:57:59
Wow, I did not know that and that might change one of my

00:58:04
biggest gripes honestly. I mean, it's still 90.

00:58:08
Let's be clear, it's still frequent and it's still

00:58:11
frequent. Like even on the roads it's not

00:58:13
like you're getting like 5 minutes without a a battle

00:58:16
because you're running on the road.

00:58:17
It's just a less frequent. Oh man, well, I mean we're

00:58:22
talking, we're talking, we're talking literally like 3 steps

00:58:25
and that's Brian steps which are very fast.

00:58:27
And then it's like another battle and I'm like, and then

00:58:30
I'll always, I think what it is too.

00:58:32
It's the combination of not only the frequency of the battle, but

00:58:36
not having enough MP and you regenerate your MP by running by

00:58:40
running. So then I'd be like, OK, I need

00:58:42
to get my MP back up so I can actually, you know, attack and

00:58:47
battle. I have three MP.

00:58:49
I've got to escape this battle, escape, walk three steps, gain

00:58:52
like two more MPA battle. And I'm like, I can't fight

00:58:55
right now. Like leave me alone.

00:58:57
And now damn it, one of the thing, it's not a huge deal, but

00:59:03
it's a little strange that you have all these towns and there's

00:59:06
no like shops per SE. Like you can't, you can't buy

00:59:10
items. Items are either given to you by

00:59:15
MNPC or they're like in a treasure chest.

00:59:20
And it's just, I don't know that that's one of those things.

00:59:23
I'm like, if you had a shop and I could like just buy a bunch of

00:59:27
like, not that I was ever lacking either.

00:59:31
Like that's another thing. I feel like they're they're

00:59:32
fairly generous, but I would want the the good items that are

00:59:36
like 150 health, you know, versus 10 MP.

00:59:42
Like, I'm not going to use something like there's no

00:59:43
currency. System at all like there's no

00:59:45
it's just go in, walk into a walk into a, a a house or

00:59:50
building or whatever. If someone's in there, they

00:59:53
might give you something great. Now you got something out of it.

00:59:56
Walk around that corner. You find a chest great.

00:59:58
Maybe you'll you'll get something that's that's used a

01:00:00
lot. Of it and.

01:00:01
Stuff I like. Chess, I like that, but it just,

01:00:04
it feels like, it feels like an RPG thing just to have a shop so

01:00:07
you can like get items or or accessories or something.

01:00:11
And yeah, it's just give more, give more use to the towns, give

01:00:15
more, give more use to them. So like it's never like been

01:00:19
confirmed, but like diegetically because we're creating you know,

01:00:23
Quest 64 lore as we go through the years here.

01:00:26
There's not a lot of like development history of the game

01:00:29
outside of like pictures and like stuff like that.

01:00:31
But the last boss is Mammon, who is the the brother of hell

01:00:37
that's associated with greed and wealth.

01:00:40
So like what we've speculated over time is that the whole game

01:00:44
is trying to show you like every town is willing to give and give

01:00:48
with, you know, no capitalism, no currency, nothing like costs

01:00:52
anything. The end boss is literally greed,

01:00:55
you know, So yeah, it could have used money and the sequel, like

01:01:00
did have a currency like thing in it.

01:01:03
Obviously it never came out. But like, it is cool to think

01:01:06
that, you know, everywhere you go people are giving you things

01:01:09
for, you know, you get the wings to return to the towns for free.

01:01:12
If you don't have, you know, if you don't have dewdrops or mint

01:01:15
leaves or bread, somebody is willing to give you one for free

01:01:18
because you are the one that's going on this quest.

01:01:21
Yeah, it would be traditional to have like, shops.

01:01:24
But like, like I said, energetically or like within the

01:01:27
lore of the game, it's it's cool to that like there is no greed.

01:01:31
There is no like no hoarding of stuff, you know, and, and

01:01:36
killing a bunch of enemies just to buy more, just to have more

01:01:39
things and buy more stuff because the end boss is

01:01:42
literally, you know, the the greediest, most hoardy demon in

01:01:47
hell. So that's.

01:01:48
I love that. That's a great.

01:01:49
I never I hadn't heard that that's I'm going to go with

01:01:53
that. I like where that's going.

01:01:56
That's pretty sweet. You know, it, it's not a it's

01:02:00
not a massive issue. I don't think either of us are

01:02:02
are saying that, but it's, it does feel like sometimes like I,

01:02:05
I think for for me, and I think Jiggy, you touched on it a bit

01:02:07
too, is, is like, I wish there was more interaction and things

01:02:11
to to a reason to keep me in the towns.

01:02:14
You know, whether they were bigger, whether, you know, I

01:02:16
like meeting people. I like sort of discovering those

01:02:19
in RPGs and, and sort of not every dialogue has to have a big

01:02:23
dialogue tree that leads you to a bunch of that site 'cause

01:02:25
that's totally fine. I will go into a town or an RPG

01:02:29
and just talk to everybody, even if they're not giving me

01:02:32
anything 'cause I just like it helps you really like live in

01:02:35
the world. And some of the characters, you

01:02:38
know, they, they give you a sense of that you do have an

01:02:40
idea of kind of what's going on and stuff.

01:02:42
But you know, it's, it's not terrible, but give me a little

01:02:47
bit more to care about why I want to keep this town safe, you

01:02:50
know, for example, or why I want to.

01:02:51
Yeah, I love stuff like that. I love the the concept of NPC

01:02:55
saying just like stupid things. Like I I would love to just have

01:02:59
an NPC just go up to and he just says like I like bread and like

01:03:03
that's it. Like there's nothing else.

01:03:05
You know, I'd be like, I like that guy.

01:03:08
Well then, give me some bread. I need some health.

01:03:10
Let's go give. Me.

01:03:11
Some bread doesn't give you bread, that's the thing.

01:03:14
Oh yeah, he's the only one that doesn't.

01:03:15
Give you. Totally unrelated.

01:03:17
Gives you bread. That guy just likes bread.

01:03:20
You have to find the Baker to get the bread.

01:03:21
You can't just talk to the guy that likes the bread.

01:03:23
Yeah. And he's not even in the bakery.

01:03:27
Yeah, I, I think, I think overall I would still, I, I

01:03:35
think we sort of touched on it a bit, but I, I would, I'd

01:03:38
recommend people check this out. Like I, I don't think that that

01:03:41
you're going to, I don't know that a lot of people are going

01:03:44
to say like, oh, this was the greatest RPG experience I've

01:03:47
had. But I don't think it's, it needs

01:03:49
to be like a lot of these games that we've played have some

01:03:53
pieces of them that are, you know, it's, it's imperfect, but

01:03:58
So what even games now have tons of that.

01:04:02
So embrace what this like offers for you.

01:04:05
I think it just does take some getting used to if you haven't

01:04:10
played a game that is 1 of this era, 'cause I'm sure there's

01:04:15
some people listening to this or that have seen the game or seen

01:04:18
yourself like online that that don't have experience with a lot

01:04:22
of games from this time. This.

01:04:25
I don't know. Would you say, Mike, that this

01:04:27
was like, this could be like a good starting off point?

01:04:30
Or would it be something like, oh, maybe it's after you've

01:04:33
played a couple RPGs of the era, then move on to this?

01:04:36
Because I feel like it has a vibe of that, but I don't know

01:04:39
if that's the way to go or not. I mean, I just not like I've

01:04:44
never seen anybody post that Like Quest is baby's first RPG

01:04:48
or something like that. Sure.

01:04:50
OK. But I mean, honestly, I mean,

01:04:53
it's a good like starter RPG, but I would think you would get

01:04:56
more enjoyment out of it, especially like exploring the

01:04:59
leveling system and the combat mechanics and all that stuff.

01:05:03
If you have your foot, you know, in the pool already had played

01:05:07
some, some other some more, some more traditional, especially

01:05:11
like 2G2D, like Super Nintendo or Nintendo RPGs or Sega RPGs.

01:05:16
But it's not a requirement. I, I, I think anybody can pick

01:05:19
this game up and enjoy whether you like RPGs or not.

01:05:23
But I also think you could be immediately turned off before

01:05:26
you even get to the first boss by, you know, getting getting

01:05:29
your ass handed to you before the 1st, you know, before you

01:05:32
get to Dondran or Mel, you know, like it.

01:05:34
It just you can be that way for some people.

01:05:37
Yeah. And it doesn't click with you

01:05:38
then and then you decide you never want to pick it up.

01:05:40
And I get it, like it, it so I, I don't, I suggest it to

01:05:46
everybody, but I suggest a lot of Nintendo 64 games to

01:05:49
everybody. It's it's part of who I am.

01:05:52
It's like if if you haven't, I get it, you don't like sports

01:05:55
games, but like if you haven't tried things like, you know, NBA

01:05:58
Hang time or you know, international superstar soccer,

01:06:02
like you're missing out on some like really cool period piece

01:06:06
video games and like a whole branch of like history.

01:06:10
Like you don't have to be in the simulation sports to play a game

01:06:13
that's, you know, well put together and mechanically fun

01:06:17
and stuff. So and with Quest, even if

01:06:20
you're not into RPGs, maybe the vibe will click with you and

01:06:23
they can just be a vibes thing. That's fine.

01:06:25
Yeah, I, I think I got that's me.

01:06:28
And not that I dislike RPGs, but like I said before, it's not,

01:06:31
it's not the first thing I go to.

01:06:32
Like, I don't gravitate towards them and say I just need to dig

01:06:35
into a, you know, whatever, However long hours, hours of an

01:06:40
RPGI just have that itch. I never really do.

01:06:43
But when I give them a chance and I, and I play them a little

01:06:46
bit more or, and I just say, like, I got, I got, I'm going to

01:06:49
put myself into this. And a lot of the time it works

01:06:52
out, you know, but it's just not the first thing that comes to

01:06:56
mind, so. For me with with RPGs in

01:06:59
particular and the reason why I kind of like this one, RPGs tend

01:07:05
to be really over complicated and explain everything in like

01:07:12
the first like 20-30 minutes. It takes forever to get.

01:07:16
Going, it takes forever to get going and like start into the

01:07:19
game. This kind of throws you in and

01:07:21
you're just like you're there and you got to figure it out.

01:07:24
I appreciate that. I like that more because I don't

01:07:27
like when you have tutorial, tutorial upon tutorial and it

01:07:33
just keeps going. And my instinct when that

01:07:36
happens is to skip it. And I'll be like, if I play for

01:07:40
like an hour, I'll probably figure it out.

01:07:42
And if I can't figure it out, it's too complicated and I don't

01:07:45
want to play it. And I have.

01:07:47
Like you guys played poker battle yet?

01:07:50
Has that been on the on? The no, that's, I mean, it's on

01:07:52
the docket, but I've never played it and I just hear it's

01:07:55
like the deep N64 RPG. That's all I know.

01:08:00
Godspeed to you guys then be the first hour of the game is

01:08:03
literally a tutorial. So do you need it like to be

01:08:08
perfectly honest to understand the game?

01:08:10
If you don't have like a like a fully wrote out beginner's guide

01:08:14
from a friend that's played it, you need that first hour of the

01:08:16
game. But it is hot.

01:08:17
Like you can be, you know, 30% done with Quest 64 by the time

01:08:21
Ogre Battle 64's tutorial is done.

01:08:24
Yeah, yeah, I feel like it's it's a trend with adding so many

01:08:29
mechanics in RPGs. That that's what it is, is it's

01:08:33
it's sort of adding and adding that and you're right, that's

01:08:35
actually a really good thing. I mean, maybe that's that's

01:08:37
something we should have said like off the top, is that off

01:08:39
the top? This game does just say like,

01:08:42
hey, this is the situation. Go yeah, go, go down get get out

01:08:48
of the castle and and figure it go and then hope there's a

01:08:50
thief. OK, go.

01:08:52
And it's just one sort of like lead you to a boss to another,

01:08:56
to another and stuff. And all that is is good.

01:08:58
I like that that approach, that approach that this has is it

01:09:03
feel like, yes, it's an RPG, but it just feels like like even

01:09:08
more of an adventure game. I don't even know if that's

01:09:10
really makes sense to differentiate them.

01:09:12
But, you know, a traditional action adventure game is get in

01:09:17
there and get shit done. Whether it's, you know, fast

01:09:20
pace or slow pace doesn't really matter.

01:09:22
That's what this is sort of presenting in an RPG sort of

01:09:25
shell, I guess, in a way. Yeah, Yeah.

01:09:29
I think, I think that's good. I think that's a good thing.

01:09:31
So it's good. The only thing we haven't gone

01:09:34
to, I wanted to. I don't know if this is the

01:09:35
right place to do or not, but the music, the music's awesome

01:09:38
in this game. I found the music to be one of

01:09:40
the best parts. I loved it.

01:09:41
I don't know if you guys have the same feel, but I want to see

01:09:45
if this is this. I can't remember exactly all the

01:09:47
music but. Oh yeah.

01:09:55
I can't hear it, but I'm just going to trust you guys that

01:09:57
it's great. Probably holy playing some of

01:09:59
that. But yeah, Mastanici Amano, the

01:10:06
composer of this, is like, he'll really like prolific composer.

01:10:10
He's like done stuff, yeah, on video.

01:10:13
This is his only like Nintendo 64 video game credit.

01:10:16
But he did like Onamisha 3. He did a bunch of other video

01:10:21
games and then he was he did music for Evangelion, like the 3

01:10:26
+ 1 movie and for some of the Berserk anime episodes.

01:10:30
And he's like all over the place, did some Quinn Tarantino

01:10:34
movies and stuff too. It was it was cool that they had

01:10:37
such an experienced composer in the game.

01:10:38
And I, I have this. I love the music so.

01:10:40
It's great. Every time the battle started, I

01:10:42
was like, yeah, here we go. It was.

01:10:45
It's good, It's good. Yeah, that was one of the things

01:10:49
that I was like always. I was, you know, Mike, you

01:10:51
mentioned a little while a vibe. It's always vibe in the music.

01:10:54
I was always. I like the sound effects, the

01:10:56
music. There's all the sound design in

01:10:57
this is really good. Some of it sounds simplistic,

01:11:00
but I I don't mind that at all. Like I just, it's fine.

01:11:03
I don't care if it's just a little ping when you find

01:11:05
something or a little ping when you set off a you know, he

01:11:08
opened the chest a little sort of.

01:11:09
Also the animation of him opening chests is fantastic.

01:11:12
He just smack just. And it's quick.

01:11:16
And it's quick. It's Alzheimer.

01:11:18
Yeah, yeah. It's, it's he's got, he's got

01:11:22
more muscles behind those arms, these tiny little arms than we

01:11:24
thought. He just and boom.

01:11:26
Oh. Yeah, it's absolutely.

01:11:28
And that stick is so durable. Crazy.

01:11:31
Right. So much abuse and it's just not

01:11:34
a scratch on it. And it it it doesn't break when

01:11:37
you use it too many times. Weird.

01:11:39
No, not at all. How that's like, you know, weird

01:11:41
how how in RPGs that just doesn't doesn't happen

01:11:43
sometimes. I don't know.

01:11:44
I don't know about that. I didn't didn't realize that

01:11:48
back then. Everything was just made more

01:11:50
durable I guess. The good old days I feel like.

01:11:55
I just don't make them like they used.

01:11:56
To they just don't make them like they used to.

01:12:00
Mike, I know that that your, your sales pitch to a lot of

01:12:02
people is like, yeah, you, you, you should play this game.

01:12:04
You should give it a shot and stuff.

01:12:08
Do you, do you feel like, like I know that you have a lot of love

01:12:12
for this game and stuff? Is is it one that you feel like,

01:12:15
Oh no, this also just holds up? Or is it just like, just try it

01:12:19
and give it a shot? Like is there something extra

01:12:21
there? Or is it more just like, you

01:12:23
know, this is just just go for it?

01:12:28
I'm so I'm kind of like a naysayer for people who say

01:12:33
that, you know, I art doesn't, you know, it doesn't hold up.

01:12:38
Things don't like a or age well, or I guess is the way that you

01:12:41
hear it with a lot not really my thing.

01:12:44
I, you know, I totally believe like, you know, I don't want to

01:12:47
call this game the Mona Lisa, but like the Mona Lisa, you can

01:12:50
tell it was painted, you know, over many years ago.

01:12:52
Or, you know, you can watch the original Star Wars movies from

01:12:57
decades ago and know that they were made, you know, 40 years

01:13:00
ago and still enjoy them without being like, oh, these, you know,

01:13:04
these practical effects don't hold up to today's stuff.

01:13:07
You know, the, I'm, I'm a big proponent of, you know, meeting

01:13:10
a game where it's from, you know, meeting a game on its own

01:13:15
terms. So going back to Nintendo 64,

01:13:20
yeah, I, I think it's great holding up.

01:13:23
I think it plays like a Nintendo 64 game.

01:13:25
Like if you're, if you like Nintendo 64, there shouldn't be

01:13:28
a bigger pitch than to like play more Nintendo 64 file games.

01:13:33
And we're getting, we're seeing that resurgence now with ES1 and

01:13:37
N64 graphics coming back into games like like Crow Country and

01:13:41
like KIRO Quest just came out. With Mark.

01:13:44
Kirkos But I mean, people have nostalgia for this.

01:13:48
I'm not blind to my own nostalgia for the system or this

01:13:52
game or 90s and stuff. Like I obviously like it more

01:13:56
than people who didn't live through it and play through it.

01:13:59
But there's still something for, if you like video games, like I

01:14:06
would think that you would like want to go back and see why, why

01:14:10
platformers and this, you know, like so Jiggy's games, Donkey

01:14:15
Kong and and Banjo, like why, why are those so popular in the

01:14:19
90s and why don't we have them now?

01:14:20
It's because that was that was the thing that was the that was

01:14:24
the environment, that was the games we played.

01:14:26
And this is just one of those games.

01:14:28
It's a very like Nintendo 64 coded traditional RPG that's got

01:14:33
a lot of that same aura to it. Yeah, yeah, it's got that's that

01:14:37
late late to mid 90 or mid to late 90s sixty 4 vibe with this

01:14:42
awkward generation of of consoles and games and there's

01:14:45
something to be experienced there that is that is great,

01:14:48
which is exactly what we're going going through games like

01:14:50
this and stuff. Jiggy I I think you're kind of

01:14:54
on the same page. Let's check this game out right.

01:14:55
Let's. Yeah, absolutely.

01:14:57
I think, yeah, I think you should go play it.

01:14:59
I think you'll you'll be like me and going in with the

01:15:04
expectation that it's not one of the worst games on N64, which

01:15:08
why do people say that? I just I like I can there's

01:15:12
certain games I could be like, OK, like you can justify this.

01:15:15
Like Sonic O 6 is like the the like I was so hyped for that

01:15:20
game that was the biggest let down ever because it's a glitchy

01:15:23
mess. I can't do anything like the

01:15:25
demo was better than the actual game, but this is a game that I

01:15:27
played through. I played in its entirety.

01:15:29
I got to the end. I I don't see why people rag on

01:15:34
it so much genuinely, I it, it plays fine.

01:15:38
The graphics are good like music's great.

01:15:41
It's got a nice story it's charming.

01:15:44
I I think it's worth a shot. Am I gonna go replay it 50

01:15:47
times? No, but I don't regret playing

01:15:49
through it. I think it's worth the play

01:15:51
through. So yeah, give it a shot,

01:15:53
especially if you like N64, like he said that was that was the

01:15:56
best. Like you like N64?

01:15:58
Play this game. Add this to the list.

01:16:01
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

01:16:03
Before we get out of here, Mike, if anyone hasn't found you

01:16:06
online, if, if you're on other shows, if you're doing other,

01:16:09
you know, you said June is a big month for Quest 64, all that

01:16:13
stuff. Once you don't, you plug your

01:16:14
work out there. Yeah, I don't do a lot anymore.

01:16:19
It's mostly just Blue Sky right now.

01:16:23
Yeah, Quest 64 official on Blue Sky.

01:16:25
I try to just trying to change the the gaming discourse.

01:16:29
I guess I'm an an algorithm manipulator.

01:16:32
I like to make people look at the things that I'm listening to

01:16:34
and the things that I want to want people to see.

01:16:36
It's just trying to make things more positive, getting the good

01:16:41
podcasts out there, getting people playing games.

01:16:45
It's kind of my passion before I get too burnt out with being

01:16:48
online and disappear forever. I'm not making any money from

01:16:51
any of this. So once again, just like the

01:16:54
game, it's all vibes based. I'll just disappear.

01:16:58
Nobody will ever hear from me again.

01:17:00
But yeah, June is is quest diversity.

01:17:02
June 10th is the anniversary of the game.

01:17:04
It'll be 27 years this year though.

01:17:07
There'll be lots of I got lots of people streaming the game.

01:17:11
It's some some rather big name streamers coming on to do some

01:17:16
stuff. I just did 2 episodes with Pixel

01:17:20
Project radio. Rick Firestone over there did a

01:17:23
great job putting up with me for like 6 hours of Quest podcasts

01:17:27
to do, like in depth story Beat looks at both of the N64 and the

01:17:32
Game Boy Color RPG games which just released today when we're

01:17:37
recording. But I don't know when this

01:17:41
episode will come out, but it'll already be out then.

01:17:42
So but yeah, lots of stuff going on.

01:17:45
We'll have lots of giveaways this month.

01:17:47
I'll be giving away a bunch of copies of Quest and promoting a

01:17:51
bunch of other stuff. And then in July, I disappear

01:17:55
for a couple weeks and that's it.

01:17:56
So as as you should take a load off, man, Take a load off.

01:18:00
It's all good. Yeah.

01:18:03
And Jiggy, you're busy as as usual, I think.

01:18:06
As I always say, right? Oh absolutely.

01:18:08
We're wrapping up Mumbo May, finishing off actually tying it

01:18:13
in sort of with the GBA episode we did with the Banjo Grunty's

01:18:18
Revenge. As of as of this release, that

01:18:20
would be already out. So if you want to play and

01:18:23
listen to us talk about the two Banjo Kazooie GBA games took a

01:18:27
little detour into Handheld land, we talked about those.

01:18:30
Yeah, long, but you get you get the analysis and discussion on

01:18:34
it. And then I did a, a mysteries

01:18:36
video on, well, I'm, I'm doing a mysteries video.

01:18:40
By the time this recording comes out, it'll be out Grunty's

01:18:43
Revenge Mysteries. So that'll be pretty fun.

01:18:45
Just kind of make some cool connections there.

01:18:47
And finishing Mumbo May and jumping into Jumbo June and just

01:18:52
continuing it 'cause I loved it. And I will be doing some switch

01:18:57
to content though I will say that much 'cause I'm pumped for

01:19:00
it. I'm excited.

01:19:01
So she's gonna be out. Nice.

01:19:03
Good times. You can find remember 64 on if

01:19:08
you're listening to this, you probably know that it's on

01:19:09
podcast feeds, of course, so you can find it there.

01:19:12
YouTube as well, video versions of all these episodes.

01:19:15
If you are listening to this, you can check out that things

01:19:17
that we're referencing that we're talking about and look at

01:19:19
our beautiful faces of course. And also just random videos that

01:19:22
I come up with like Mike with his meme extraordinaire on his

01:19:26
account. Every once in a while I come up

01:19:28
with a stupid idea in the middle of the night and I'm like, hey,

01:19:31
I'm going to make a really silly video out of that and I do that

01:19:34
or it'll be short clips from episodes and things like that.

01:19:36
So you can check that out on YouTube as well.

01:19:38
Remember 64, of course, you can support the show at

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patreon.com/remember 64 show every single episode you can get

01:19:46
early and you can make sure that you, you know, have a little bit

01:19:51
of extra content here and there when I can find the chance and

01:19:54
have the energy. But kids, am I right?

01:19:57
So yeah, that's that's pretty much and and work God life.

01:20:03
But we got we got a plan. If if you're, if you haven't

01:20:07
checked it yet, check on socials as well.

01:20:09
Remember 64 show mostly blue sky Instagram every once in a while

01:20:13
on Tiktok as well. That's where you'll find it.

01:20:15
And got some pretty good games coming up as well after after

01:20:20
this one. So some racing games.

01:20:22
Looking to try to get perfect dark in at some point as well

01:20:26
but. Another rare game?

01:20:28
Let's. Yeah, another rare game, but

01:20:31
yeah, a lot of good stuff coming up in the next couple of months,

01:20:33
so stay tuned. And Mike, thanks so much for

01:20:36
joining us and putting up with our experience through this

01:20:39
game. No thanks for having me, it was

01:20:42
great. Jiggy, we'll talk to you soon.

01:20:45
Thanks everyone for for listening and watching and catch

01:20:49
you next time I remember 64 Ciao.

01:20:52
Let's be do the the outro.

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